This is a rare 1976 video of Keith Jarrett’s European quartet, with Jan Garbarek (sax), Palle Danielsson (bass), and Jon Christensen (drums), playing the abstract yet oddly lyrical tune “Mandala,” from the absolutely exquisite album My Song. (iTunes Store.)
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:20:38pm |
This is a rare 1976 video of Keith Jarrett’s European quartet
Not anymore!
me'Thinks I won;t be the only Lizard saving it in FAVORITES
Thanks Charles
BTW ,,, a puter question,, I just installed FireFox (mostly due to the IE problems I was having with the last thread).
When I open a website (yours ,, YAHOO ,, anything) i'm only getting about half a screen (everything is compressed in ,,, 1/4 on each side white)
Do you (or anyone) know how to stretch it out !?!?!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:22:09pm |
Yikes ,,, 2 American men out of the slalom race in their 1st runs
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:23:04pm |
re: #2 sattv4u2
Yikes ,,, 2 American men out of the slalom race in their 1st runs
and the Celtics lost to the Nets ..... the NETS
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:24:05pm |
re: #3 _RememberTonyC
and the Celtics lost to the Nets ... the NETS
Age and injuries have caught them
There is the possibility everyone gets healthy for one big final push in the playoffs
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:24:29pm |
Well, that’s free speech, isn’t it? Everybody gets to express his or her point of view, no matter how obnoxious, right?
No, not right. Not at York. At York, speech is free — better than free, subsidized– for anti-Israel haters. But for those who would defend Israel, York sets very different rules.
In advance of York’s annual hate-Israel week, the campus group Christians United for Israel applied to use university space to host a program of pro-Israel speakers.
The university replied that this program could only proceed on certain conditions.
It insisted on heavy security, including both campus and Toronto police — all of those costs to be paid by the program organizers. The organizers would also have to provide an advance list of all program attendees and advance summaries of all the speeches. No advertising for the program would be permitted — not on the York campus, not on any of the other campuses participating by remote video.
These are radically different and much harsher terms than anything required from the hate-Israel program. The hate-Israel program is not required to pay for its own security. It is free to advertise. Its speakers are not pre-screened by the university.
SNIP
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:25:37pm |
re: #4 sattv4u2
Age and injuries have caught them
There is the possibility everyone gets healthy for one big final push in the playoffs
cleveland steamrolled them on Thursday and now they lose to the nets ... the signs are ominous ...
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:25:48pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:26:42pm |
re: #6 _RememberTonyC
cleveland steamrolled them on Thursday and now they lose to the nets ... the signs are ominous ...
They had Cleveland up until 3-4 minutes left in the 3rd Q. They seem to have these 6-10 minute lapses sometime during a game that kills them
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:26:48pm |
I'm not like them
But I can pretend
The sun is gone
But I have a light
The day is done
I'm having fun
I think I'm dumb
Maybe just happy
Think I'm just happy.
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Racer X Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:27:43pm |
Why men should just let the answering machine pick up.
Note on fridge:
The Gyna Colleges called.
Your Pabst beer is fine.I thought you didn't like beer?
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:28:38pm |
re: #8 sattv4u2
They had Cleveland up until 3-4 minutes left in the 3rd Q. They seem to have these 6-10 minute lapses sometime during a game that kills them
it's a 48 minute game ... the celtics played 32 minutes on thursday and about 10 minutes today. Playing 42 minutes out of 96 equals two brutal losses.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:28:58pm |
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:30:27pm |
re: #11 _RememberTonyC
it's a 48 minute game ... the celtics played 32 minutes on thursday and about 10 minutes today. Playing 42 minutes out of 96 equals two brutal losses.
I think KG's knees are gone
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:33:00pm |
I was on a local forum a little earlier, and someone had posted a question... "Does anyone know the name of the feral cat organization in Denver" and I answered "Fucking Pussies." I couldn't help myself.
They deleted it.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:33:04pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:33:53pm |
re: #14 HoosierHoops
I think KG's knees are gone
I'd donate mine to him for another chanpionship , but mine are prolly worse
(doc says I have knee replacement surgery in my not too distant future ,,,, oh,, joy!!)
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:33:57pm |
re: #15 Walter L. Newton
I was on a local forum a little earlier, and someone had posted a question... "Does anyone know the name of the feral cat organization in Denver" and I answered "Fucking Pussies." I couldn't help myself.
They deleted it.
How the hell do you organize cats?
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:34:56pm |
re: #11 _RememberTonyC
Hey, _RememberTonyC, I posted a link a couple of days ago that may interest you. I think you and the former President of Mexico are in agreement.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:36:04pm |
re: #18 SixDegrees
How the hell do you organize cats?
Well ,,, first you get a catcowboy to round em up. Then theres the whole declawing ritual! Once thats done, you have to paint a number on each one and teach them how to stay in line numerically.
After thats done, they vote whether to cat unionize or not. Seeing that it's not a secret ballot, figure it's a done deal!
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:36:15pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:37:44pm |
re: #16 freetoken
Making the intertoob rounds this weekend:
[Video]
Doing good for 90.
And playing the same song they started with!
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:37:56pm |
re: #17 sattv4u2
I'd donate mine to him for another chanpionship , but mine are prolly worse
(doc says I have knee replacement surgery in my not too distant future ,,, oh,, joy!!)
I think it's true.. God only allows ballers to play a 1000 games.. Then it's over for the knees...
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:39:36pm |
re: #23 HoosierHoops
I think it's true.. God only allows ballers to play a 1000 games.. Then it's over for the knees...
He needed (no pun intended) a year to rehab. Times against him. His knee will be sound next season, BUT , he'll be a year older
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:41:10pm |
Justa Thought
A midget fortune teller who escapes from prison is a Small Medium at Large
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:41:53pm |
re: #26 sattv4u2
Justa Thought
A midget fortune teller who escapes from prison is a Small Medium at Large
I punched a grinning fortune teller in the nose once, and they charged me with striking a happy medium.
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:42:06pm |
And for those who've always wondered what it's like to cook fresh frog...
You might want to eat your dinner first. Or not at all.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:42:16pm |
re: #25 PT Barnum
hullo...
Don't know ,,, but I did live one summer in Hull Mass, does that count !?!?!
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Racer X Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:42:34pm |
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:42:34pm |
re: #24 sattv4u2
He needed (no pun intended) a year to rehab. Times against him. His knee will be sound next season, BUT , he'll be a year older
He is done...What a player he was...
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:42:50pm |
re: #14 HoosierHoops
I think KG's knees are gone
KG was very good today (26 and 9 rebs), but he was out there alone
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:43:16pm |
That Waikoloa webcam is going to have a great view of a Hawaiian sunset tonight. Looks like it's pointed directly at the sun.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:43:30pm |
re: #19 wrenchwench
Hey, _RememberTonyC, I posted a link a couple of days ago that may interest you. I think you and the former President of Mexico are in agreement.
i'll check it out .... thanks
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:43:44pm |
re: #28 SixDegrees
And for those who've always wondered what it's like to cook fresh frog...
You might want to eat your dinner first. Or not at all.
heh ,,, I have a neighbor at my summer place in South Carolina Low Country that catches, cooks and eats frogs all the time
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:44:17pm |
re: #32 _RememberTonyC
KG was very good today (26 and 9 rebs), but he was out there alone
Didn't see the game. Is Peirce back yet?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:44:59pm |
re: #33 Charles
That Waikoloa webcam is going to have a great view of a Hawaiian sunset tonight. Looks like it's pointed directly at the sun.
damn ,, I switched puters at work and don't have the link
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:46:16pm |
re: #35 sattv4u2
heh ,,, I have a neighbor at my summer place in South Carolina Low Country that catches, cooks and eats frogs all the time
Tastes like chicken! actually I like frog legs. ONe of the local chines buffets has them on Friday nights.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:46:20pm |
re: #37 sattv4u2
damn ,, I switched puters at work and don't have the link
found it ,,,,, moisture on the lens?? Is it raining there now ?!?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:46:34pm |
re: #27 PT Barnum
I punched a grinning fortune teller in the nose once, and they charged me with striking a happy medium.
True story... this past Sept. I was in NYC for a funeral. One day, the girlfriend and I took a day to ourselves, away from the family, when into mid-town Manhattan to see a show...
So... we're walking down Broadway, and about a half a block away, I see a tall guy, with a sandwich board, handing out handbills for a psychic.
I walked right up to him... he placed a handbill into my hand and I said "I knew you were going to hand me this."
I bet he's heard that a thousand times.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:46:51pm |
re: #36 sattv4u2
Didn't see the game. Is Peirce back yet?
not yet, but he should be back for the next game. the C's need to finish 2nd or 3rd in the east so they can avoid ATL. If they avoid the Hawks, they might be able to get to the conference finals. But ATL is Boston's kryptonite
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:47:09pm |
re: #38 PT Barnum
Tastes like chicken! actually I like frog legs. ONe of the local chines buffets has them on Friday nights.
thats what they TELL you they are
Ever notice that there aren't any pigeons around there !?!?!
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:48:55pm |
re: #19 wrenchwench
Hey, _RememberTonyC, I posted a link a couple of days ago that may interest you. I think you and the former President of Mexico are in agreement.
thanks wrenchwench ..... If some drugs were legalized, many other problems would be affected in a positive way. I'd legalize weed and let the govy tax it like crazy ...... then the budget deficit would go up in smoke (literally).
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:49:11pm |
re: #40 Walter L. Newton
True story... this past Sept. I was in NYC for a funeral. One day, the girlfriend and I took a day to ourselves, away from the family, when into mid-town Manhattan to see a show...
So... we're walking down Broadway, and about a half a block away, I see a tall guy, with a sandwich board, handing out handbills for a psychic.
I walked right up to him... he placed a handbill into my hand and I said "I knew you were going to hand me this."
I bet he's heard that a thousand times.
You never see the headline
PSYCHIC WINS LOTTERY!
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:49:16pm |
re: #40 Walter L. Newton
True story... this past Sept. I was in NYC for a funeral. One day, the girlfriend and I took a day to ourselves, away from the family, when into mid-town Manhattan to see a show...
So... we're walking down Broadway, and about a half a block away, I see a tall guy, with a sandwich board, handing out handbills for a psychic.
I walked right up to him... he placed a handbill into my hand and I said "I knew you were going to hand me this."
I bet he's heard that a thousand times.
Mrs Barnum is into the whole paranormal thing..she gets really mad at me when I either explain the trick or point out logical explanations for all the ghost shows. We've pretty much agreed that I shouldn't come in when she's watching her shows.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:50:07pm |
re: #29 sattv4u2
Don't know ,,, but I did live one summer in Hull Mass, does that count !?!?!
My uncle and his family lived on Samoset Ave in Hull ... we used to go to Paragon Park all the time.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:50:07pm |
re: #28 SixDegrees
And for those who've always wondered what it's like to cook fresh frog...
You might want to eat your dinner first. Or not at all.
Looks delicious!
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:50:23pm |
re: #44 sattv4u2
You never see the headline
PSYCHIC WINS LOTTERY!
I always found it humorous that the psychich friends network went bankrupt..wonder if they saw that coming?
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Racer X Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:50:41pm |
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:51:41pm |
re: #43 _RememberTonyC
thanks wrenchwench ... If some drugs were legalized, many other problems would be affected in a positive way. I'd legalize weed and let the govy tax it like crazy ... then the budget deficit would go up in smoke (literally).
Yeah, you me, and Fox agree, but nobody's listening.
The Office of National Drug Control Policy said both countries have come up with plans to intensify prevention and treatment by strengthening families to reduce criminal organizations.The six steps include providing more and better addiction treatment; expanding the use of screening for substance abuse disorders; implementing evidence-based prevention techniques; improving the quality of health care for substance abusers; and promoting innovations in criminal justice.
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:52:03pm |
re: #42 sattv4u2
thats what they TELL you they are
Ever notice that there aren't any pigeons around there !?!?!
I've had deep-fried frog legs before. I liked 'em. And having been deep fried, they didn't exhibit the twitching, grasping convulsions described in the article.
As Roy Blount wrote of oysters:
I prefer my oyster fried.
Then I'm sure my oyster's died.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:52:31pm |
Testing an Earthcam embedded in a comment:
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:52:32pm |
re: #46 _RememberTonyC
My uncle and his family lived on Samoset Ave in Hull ... we used to go to Paragon Park all the time.
Ha ,, I lived on Revere street right near the intersection of Samoset
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:52:58pm |
time to go watch villanova/syracuse on espn ..... the crowd of 34,616 will set a new on campus record for attandence at a hoop game.
bob knight and jay bilas will be on the broadcast team .... top shelf crew all the way.
Go ORANGE
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cliffster Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:52:58pm |
Rockin' down the house tonight - watching Cinderella.
A dream is a wish your heart makes
When you're fast asleep
In dreams you lose your heartaches
Whatever you wish for, you keep
Have faith in your dreams and someday
Your rainbow will come smiling thru
No matter how your heart is grieving
If you keep on believing
the dream that you wish will come true
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:53:18pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:53:19pm |
re: #51 SixDegrees
I've had deep-fried frog legs before. I liked 'em. And having been deep fried, they didn't exhibit the twitching, grasping convulsions described in the article.
As Roy Blount wrote of oysters:
I prefer my oyster fried.
Then I'm sure my oyster's died.
I've had them deep fried also . Not too bad
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:54:33pm |
re: #55 cliffster
Rockin' down the house tonight - watching Cinderella.
Was that the one that had the song about film development?
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:55:46pm |
re: #54 _RememberTonyC
time to go watch villanova/syracuse on espn ... the crowd of 34,616 will set a new on campus record for attandence at a hoop game.
bob knight and jay bilas will be on the broadcast team ... top shelf crew all the way.
Go ORANGE
Go Orange!
/I can't stand Knight
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:55:52pm |
re: #58 PT Barnum
Was that the one that had the song about film development?
"Some Day My Prints Will Come"
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:56:02pm |
re: #45 PT Barnum
Mrs Barnum is into the whole paranormal thing..she gets really mad at me when I either explain the trick or point out logical explanations for all the ghost shows. We've pretty much agreed that I shouldn't come in when she's watching her shows.
Well she would really hate me, since I come from a background of having a skeptics radio show in Dallas in the 70's on that very subject. I had over a 1000 books on the paranormal and related subjects. Did a lot of debunking back in those days.
Didn't hurt that I was a professional magician and producer of theme park magic shows, inventor of magical effects and had a number of manuscripts available on the art of stage mind reading.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:57:00pm |
re: #54 _RememberTonyC
time to go watch villanova/syracuse on espn ... the crowd of 34,616 will set a new on campus record for attandence at a hoop game.
bob knight and jay bilas will be on the broadcast team ... top shelf crew all the way.
Go ORANGE
Maryland / Virginia Tech game was postponed from 4 this afternoon till 7 tonight. Three water mains broke on the VT campus and there was no water for the gym ((no water ,, no working bathrooms,,, no working bathrooms ,,, 15,000 students looking to pee SOMEWHERE!!)
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:57:20pm |
re: #61 Walter L. Newton
Well she would really hate me, since I come from a background of having a skeptics radio show in Dallas in the 70's on that very subject. I had over a 1000 books on the paranormal and related subjects. Did a lot of debunking back in those days.
Didn't hurt that I was a professional magician and producer of theme park magic shows, inventor of magical effects and had a number of manuscripts available on the art of stage mind reading.
I'm a big James Randi fan. Love that sort of thing.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:57:50pm |
re: #60 PT Barnum
"Some Day My Prints Will Come"
I'm glad you typed that ,, I was gonna, but didn't want the ridicule!!
//
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:58:02pm |
Oh no, please, no. I just turned on my EyeTV and there's Mike Huckabee's Fox News band playing "What's Going On" by Marvin Gaye. Kill me, please.
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:59:14pm |
re: #64 sattv4u2
I'm glad you typed that ,, I was gonna, but didn't want the ridicule!!
//
I am here for all your rediculous needs.....wait..that didn't come out right
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Feb 27, 2010 5:59:33pm |
I've lived in Texas all my life, but I don't give a SHIT about football. I guess that makes me an anomaly of sorts.
Side note: thanks to the Olympics, I have learned that HOCKEY and WOMEN'S WATER POLO (I first saw it a while back!) are fantabulously fucking awesome.
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Bagua Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:00:09pm |
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cliffster Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:00:47pm |
"You have the chance to be the person you wish to be, until you die. Start now." (Amy Bloom)
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:00:57pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:01:02pm |
re: #65 Charles
Oh no, please, no. I just turned on my EyeTV and there's Mike Huckabee's Fox News band playing "What's Going On" by Marvin Gaye. Kill me, please.
the antidote:
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:01:21pm |
re: #65 Charles
Oh no, please, no. I just turned on my EyeTV and there's Mike Huckabee's Fox News band playing "What's Going On" by Marvin Gaye. Kill me, please.
Good lawd..Has he no shame? There should be a law.
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:01:37pm |
re: #65 Charles
Oh no, please, no. I just turned on my EyeTV and there's Mike Huckabee's Fox News band playing "What's Going On" by Marvin Gaye. Kill me, please.
I'm surprised at their choice, what with Marvin's last name and all. /
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:06:16pm |
re: #67 negativ
I've lived in Texas all my life, but I don't give a SHIT about football. I guess that makes me an anomaly of sorts.
Side note: thanks to the Olympics, I have learned that HOCKEY and WOMEN'S WATER POLO (I first saw it a while back!) are fantabulously fucking awesome.
I'm surpirsed the ASPCA doesn't complain about that sport
Those poor horses, in that pool all that time !!!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:08:57pm |
re: #33 Charles
That Waikoloa webcam is going to have a great view of a Hawaiian sunset tonight. Looks like it's pointed directly at the sun.
Dern it ,, looks like the suns going to be just to the right of the camera
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:11:54pm |
re: #63 PT Barnum
I'm a big James Randi fan. Love that sort of thing.
I knew Randi... when I was living on the East Coast. Before he got a little old for the real physical stuff, he was considered a logical successor to Houdini... he's speciality was as an escape artist before he turned to skeptic stuff.
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Ojoe Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:13:45pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:13:48pm |
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:14:09pm |
re: #77 Alouette
Happy Purim, y'all.
Before eating bread, recite the following prayer:
Hebrew Prayer -- Bread
Baruch Atah Adonai, Elohaynu melech ha'olam ha-motzi lechem min ha-aretz.
Praised are You, Adonai our God, Sovereign of the Universe, Who brings forth bread from the earth.
Before drinking wine or grape juice, recite the following prayer:
Hebrew Prayer -- Wine
Baruch Atah Adonai Elohaynu Melech Ha'olam borei p-ri ha-gafen.
Praised are You, Adonai our God, Sovereign of the Universe, Creator of the fruit of the vine.
Before eating foods such as cakes and cookies, recite the following prayer:
Hebrew Prayer -- Cookies
Baruch Atah Adonai Elohaynu Melech Ha'olam boray meenay mezonote.
Praised are You, Adonai our God, Sovereign of the Universe, Who creates various kinds of food.
Before drinking all other food and drink:
Hebrew Prayer -- Food
Baruch Atah Adonai, Elohaynu Melech Ha'olam sheh ha-kol nihyeh bid'varo.
Praised are You, Adonai our God, Sovereign of the Universe, Whose word brings all things into being.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:14:48pm |
I've always wanted to have a haunted bed and breakfast dinner. It could be full of Scooby Doo tricks, and you'd have to find your way to dinner via a secret stair case, and solve some mystery. I just need, ah, some funding, and ah, the holograph technology from Scooby Doo to be developed.
I was going to hire a couple of actors to play the couple who run the house.
Once the holographs were real, a ghostly wild ride across the lawn, and a ghostly girl in a white nightgown to haunt the hallways.
I think I would be sold out.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:15:30pm |
While China’s vast military machine has always been under the direct command of the ruling Communist Party rather than the government, the new law leaves no room for any doubt, officials said.
The law would be useful in times of war and during social unrest as occurred in the regions of Tibet and Xinjiang in recent years, General Bai Zixing told reporters, as well as when the military is needed during natural disasters.
“Although our army is the party’s army, it is also the people’s army,” Bai said.
“This law brings together the will of the party and the will of the state (to mobilise) the army to safeguard state security and unity and safeguard social stability.”
SNIP
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:15:38pm |
re: #82 EmmmieG
I've always wanted to have a haunted bed and
breakfastdinner. It could be full of Scooby Doo tricks, and you'd have to find your way to dinner via a secret stair case, and solve some mystery. I just need, ah, some funding, and ah, the holograph technology from Scooby Doo to be developed.I was going to hire a couple of actors to play the couple who run the house.
Once the holographs were real, a ghostly wild ride across the lawn, and a ghostly girl in a white nightgown to haunt the hallways.
I think I would be sold out.
OR ,, you could just drop acid!!!
//
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:16:16pm |
re: #84 sattv4u2
OR ,, you could just drop acid!!!
//
I want a ghostly bed and breakfast, not giant purple spiders crawling around the room.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:18:31pm |
Okay ,,, i'm getting punchy
Been at work for 13 1/2 hours ,,,, on my thrid pot of coffee ,, and the overnight tech isn't due for another 45 minutes
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:19:08pm |
re: #86 sattv4u2
Okay ,,, i'm getting punchy
Been at work for 13 1/2 hours ,,, on my thrid pot of coffee ,, and the overnight tech isn't due for another 45 minutes
the drive home should be a BLAST !!
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:19:19pm |
re: #86 sattv4u2
Okay ,,, i'm getting punchy
Been at work for 13 1/2 hours ,,, on my thrid pot of coffee ,, and the overnight tech isn't due for another 45 minutes
How do you sleep with all that coffee?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:19:53pm |
re: #88 MandyManners
How do you sleep with all that coffee?
I don't,, I sleep with my wife and the two dogs! !
jjeeezzz!!!
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:20:55pm |
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:20:56pm |
re: #65 Charles
Oh no, please, no. I just turned on my EyeTV and there's Mike Huckabee's Fox News band playing "What's Going On" by Marvin Gaye. Kill me, please.
Now I really want to see him cover Nina Simone. Is that wrong?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:21:42pm |
From the same blog as the frogleg link upthread: Seriously Asian: Simmered Soybeans (Nimame)
That looks really good and dirt cheap too. I'll have to put that on my list of things to try.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:21:54pm |
re: #88 MandyManners
How do you sleep with all that coffee?
Truth be told, I'm just like my mother in that regard. She has had a cup of coffee every night just before bed for as long as I can recall and never has had problems sleeping. i'm the same way, although my last cup is usually at work just before I drive home and a good 1 1/2 to 2 hours before I hit the pillow
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:21:55pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:23:53pm |
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:24:03pm |
re: #95 sattv4u2
Truth be told, I'm just like my mother in that regard. She has had a cup of coffee every night just before bed for as long as I can recall and never has had problems sleeping. i'm the same way, although my last cup is usually at work just before I drive home and a good 1 1/2 to 2 hours before I hit the pillow
I get a strong buzz off of one cup alone.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:24:44pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:24:47pm |
Ran out for a bit... now I'm back...
...continue...
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:25:10pm |
Chain smoking, hard drinking, coke user (allegedly) and celebrity chef appears on children's show.....
Anthony Bourdain guest stars on Yo Gabba Gabba!
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Ojoe Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:25:33pm |
re: #100 sattv4u2
I can drink the old java at bedtime and go to sleep anyway.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:25:34pm |
re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ran out for a bit... now I'm back...
...continue...
Somehow ,,, RAN ,, and YOU don't compute!!!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:25:46pm |
re: #95 sattv4u2
If I have a cup after five in the afternoon, I am up all night.
Get kind of... anxious.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:26:22pm |
re: #102 Killgore Trout
Chain smoking, hard drinking, coke user (allegedly) and celebrity chef appears on children's show...
Anthony Bourdain guest stars on Yo Gabba Gabba![Video]
Well ,, seeing how he's the one that "alleges" it ,, I tend to beleive it
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darthstar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:26:46pm |
I'm fuckin' exhausted, and I love it. Only had one wreck today. The guy was stoned six ways till Sunday...and had more product in his pocket (I love the way good bud reeks). Anyway, the snow was heavy (only got down to 32 degrees last night), and there was a lot of it. As I was on the backside of the resort (sorry...resort policy...don't mention its name online), I needed a snow-mobile to tow me and the sled to first aid. The pro asked me to take a run that hadn't been groomed to a meeting spot (18 inches of wet, sierra cement)...I couldn't make a turn, especially dragging a sled with a 180 lb man in it, so I dropped the safety chain (a chain that helps slow the sled if you push down on the handles) and straight-lined the run. I was probably going 20 to 25 mph through thick, wet, crap. After I got back from first aid, the pro patroller looked at me and said, "You took that kind of fast. I'm impressed."
Truth be told, I thought I was going to lose it more than once on that 500 foot drop.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:27:34pm |
re: #102 Killgore Trout
That one-eyed character kind of looks like something you'd buy at an adult book store.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:27:49pm |
re: #108 MandyManners
*whack*
You wouldn't be so edgy if you would only cut out the caffiene, ya know!!
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Ojoe Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:27:50pm |
re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
One of my college buddies had reached the age of 20, or 21 it was, without drinking coffee. We told him never touch it then, you will be very useful, and rare, for someone's scientific study.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:28:04pm |
re: #107 sattv4u2
I didn't want to speculate on the state of his recovery (or relapse, as the case may be).
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:28:08pm |
re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If I have a cup after five in the afternoon, I am up all night.
Get kind of... anxious.
I drink 2 cups in the morning and a cup around 1:30pm..Just to make it through those long Indiana Afternoons...
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darthstar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:29:39pm |
re: #114 HoosierHoops
I drink 2 cups in the morning and a cup around 1:30pm..Just to make it through those long Indiana Afternoons...
I have a cup of PG Tips tea with my wife in bed every morning. When I get to work, I start drinking coffee...usually three cups before lunch and two more after. Doesn't affect my ability to sleep in the slightest.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:29:40pm |
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Ojoe Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:30:40pm |
I think the UFOs come to earth for the coffee & that it does not exist, nor can it grow, on very many planets.
/
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:30:51pm |
re: #111 sattv4u2
You wouldn't be so edgy if you would only cut out the caffiene, ya know!!
I don't drink it every day.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:30:58pm |
re: #116 prairiefire
I don't know either.
Just a big white box with nothing in it.
Did you link a polar bear in a snow storm?
That's not really me.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:31:02pm |
re: #15 Walter L. Newton
I was on a local forum a little earlier, and someone had posted a question... "Does anyone know the name of the feral cat organization in Denver" and I answered "Fucking Pussies." I couldn't help myself.
They deleted it.
Well, I for one am proud of you for taking the risk and making the post.
On another note, have you read anything about any televangelist's proclamation regarding the latest naturally occurring event?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:31:23pm |
re: #116 prairiefire
Big empty white box ding.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:31:40pm |
re: #117 MandyManners
What do you do for a living?
He's an artist
When theres a murder, before the coroner comes for the body, he draws the chalk outline of the body!
(HEY ,, SOMEONE has that job!!)
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:32:39pm |
re: #91 goddamnedfrank
Now I really want to see him cover Nina Simone. Is that wrong?
Nine civil rights protesters were expelled from a college in our state during the 60's. They were reinstated today. Take the victories where you find them.
[Link: news.google.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:32:57pm |
re: #123 sattv4u2
Some comedian said he draws a chalk outline on his front sidewalk and throws watchtower pamphlets around it on Saturday mornings. The Jehovah's Witnesses don't bother him.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:33:01pm |
re: #123 sattv4u2
He's an artist
When theres a murder, before the coroner comes for the body, he draws the chalk outline of the body!
(HEY ,, SOMEONE has that job!!)
For real?
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mich-again Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:33:38pm |
re: #65 Charles
Oh no, please, no. I just turned on my EyeTV and there's Mike Huckabee's Fox News band playing "What's Going On" by Marvin Gaye. Kill me, please.
There ought to be a law against no talent ass clown WASPs covering Motown tunes.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:34:07pm |
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:34:28pm |
re: #122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That's supposed to be Beetlejuice, but the youtube embed is showing up as that white box.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:34:37pm |
re: #127 mich-again
There ought to be a law against no talent ass clown WASPs covering Motown tunes.
If there was, there wouldn't be any band playing on weekend nights in any Holiday Inn lounge anywhere anytime!
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darthstar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:35:06pm |
re: #117 MandyManners
What do you do for a living?
I'm a typist ( in the 21st century sense). I'm the prinicpal architect for a software security company's quality assurance division. Automated testing is my specialty. On weekends, I'm a volunteer with the National Ski Patrol. It's a lovely way to volunteer....free lift ticket, first tracks in the morning, and I get to write off my miles coming up as well as my skis, ski clothing, and ski lease off my taxes.
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mich-again Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:35:32pm |
re: #131 sattv4u2
If there was, there wouldn't be any band playing on weekend nights in any Holiday Inn lounge anywhere anytime!
You say that like its a bad thing?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:35:46pm |
re: #130 prairiefire
That's supposed to be Beetlejuice, but the youtube embed is showing up as that white box.
Thats ZACLY what it looked like to me
(cept for the white box with nuffin in it part))
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:35:48pm |
re: #133 darthstar
I'm a typist ( in the 21st century sense). I'm the prinicpal architect for a software security company's quality assurance division. Automated testing is my specialty. On weekends, I'm a volunteer with the National Ski Patrol. It's a lovely way to volunteer...free lift ticket, first tracks in the morning, and I get to write off my miles coming up as well as my skis, ski clothing, and ski lease off my taxes.
Fun life!
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darthstar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:35:56pm |
re: #123 sattv4u2
He's an artist
When theres a murder, before the coroner comes for the body, he draws the chalk outline of the body!
(HEY ,, SOMEONE has that job!!)
I wish...wait, I can't draw for shit. Every body outline would look like the Michelin Tire guy.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:36:30pm |
re: #131 sattv4u2
Hey. I liked Pat Boone's version of "Good Golly Miss Molly".
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:36:38pm |
re: #81 HoosierHoops
Before eating bread, recite the following prayer:
Hebrew Prayer -- Bread
Baruch Atah Adonai, Elohaynu melech ha'olam ha-motzi lechem min ha-aretz.
Praised are You, Adonai our God, Sovereign of the Universe, Who brings forth bread from the earth.Before drinking wine or grape juice, recite the following prayer:
Hebrew Prayer -- Wine
Baruch Atah Adonai Elohaynu Melech Ha'olam borei p-ri ha-gafen.
Praised are You, Adonai our God, Sovereign of the Universe, Creator of the fruit of the vine.Before eating foods such as cakes and cookies, recite the following prayer:
Hebrew Prayer -- Cookies
Baruch Atah Adonai Elohaynu Melech Ha'olam boray meenay mezonote.
Praised are You, Adonai our God, Sovereign of the Universe, Who creates various kinds of food.Before drinking all other food and drink:
Hebrew Prayer -- Food
Baruch Atah Adonai, Elohaynu Melech Ha'olam sheh ha-kol nihyeh bid'varo.
Praised are You, Adonai our God, Sovereign of the Universe, Whose word brings all things into being.
When I was in California, I brought my parents some souvenir "benchers" (blessing booklets) from my kids' weddings. My parents are not observant. My father really enjoyed the booklets and wanted to teach himself to pray from them.
He is 91 years old and just celebrated his bar mitzvah 4 years ago.
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darthstar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:37:13pm |
re: #136 MandyManners
Fun life!
And I have a gorgeous wife!
Hey, life isn't all about skiing and work...close, but not all.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:37:28pm |
If this frakkin game goes into another overtime i'm taking a hostage!!
/
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:37:38pm |
Somebody else see if a Youtube embed will work for them?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:38:58pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:39:07pm |
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darthstar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:39:22pm |
re: #141 sattv4u2
If this frakkin game goes into another overtime i'm taking a hostage!!
/
What game?
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:40:03pm |
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:40:19pm |
re: #140 darthstar
And I have a gorgeous wife!
Hey, life isn't all about skiing and work...close, but not all.
Awesome...I have never skied in my life....Paranoid about blowing my knees out...I hung out in Tahoe as a young guy a few weeks a year and never once got on the powder..
I suck I suppose...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:40:24pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:40:31pm |
Maryland / Virginia Tech
Game was delayed 3 hours. There were 3 water main braks on the VT campus. Now they' are in their 2nd OT ,, 37 seconds left, Maryland up by 3
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:40:33pm |
re: #124 Decatur Deb
Nine civil rights protesters were expelled from a college in our state during the 60's. They were reinstated today. Take the victories where you find them.
[Link: news.google.com...]
Favorited to tell my kids why we are Democrats.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:41:31pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:41:48pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:41:58pm |
re: #150 prairiefire
Favorited to tell my kids why we are Democrats.
Gonna tell them why the dems were the leading force in trying to block the '64 civil rights act!?
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darthstar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:42:13pm |
re: #146 Decatur Deb
[Video]
Here's Pat Boone rocking a major hit...(Caution: Do not drive or operate heavy machinery while listening to this song).
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:42:30pm |
re: #147 HoosierHoops
I go bezerk over wet socks and cold toes.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:43:31pm |
re: #153 sattv4u2
Those are Dixiecrats. Harry Truman is from my town. One of the first leaders to think that the armed services should be integrated.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:43:38pm |
Go ahead. Click this one too.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:44:16pm |
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:45:35pm |
re: #152 The Sanity Inspector
But remember: the hatey-hatin'-haters are all on the Right.
And, don't you forget it.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:45:55pm |
re: #156 prairiefire
Those are Dixiecrats. Harry Truman is from my town. One of the first leaders to think that the armed services should be integrated.
And those 'Dixiecrats' were Democrats. Leaders, in fact
FACT ,, a larger percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both houses voted FOR the bill. It wasn't just the 'dixiecrats" that voted against it
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:46:04pm |
re: #121 eclectic infidel
Well, I for one am proud of you for taking the risk and making the post.
On another note, have you read anything about any televangelist's proclamation regarding the latest naturally occurring event?
No... except for a few preempted satirical pieces on KOS and Salon.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:46:57pm |
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:47:20pm |
re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Typo on the cover. That's "in a mental mood".
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:47:33pm |
re: #154 darthstar
Hey, some people present may have been conceived to that song!
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:47:54pm |
re: #155 prairiefire
I go bezerk over wet socks and cold toes.
LOL
Love ya girl.. I'm a California guy living in Indiana for a while...
It's fucking raining ice tonight...No..Not rain..Fucking ice is falling out of the sky tonight.. Bring me back to the days when we drove to Tahoe for snow over the weekend And I sat in the club by the fire place drinking beer...
Ice is falling out of the sky.. I'd say this is hell but the analogy doesn't quite fit
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:48:38pm |
Hmm. I can post on spy but not on the board. Go figure.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:49:11pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:49:12pm |
re: #160 MandyManners
And, don't you forget it.
Tell me what crimes you accuse the Jews of, and I will tell you what you are guilty of.
-- Vasily Grossman, Life and Fate
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:49:17pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:49:30pm |
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Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:49:39pm |
So I'm sitting here at work on a Saturday night, with a jackass on the other side of the call trying to argue that despite the data provided accurately in the first 15 times it was provided, and the evidence on the problem machine being clearly present on the device, it must be my auditing software causing the problems. Douchebag.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:49:51pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:50:10pm |
re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He lost a lot of fans in the CCM scene when he released that. They didn't take it as the joke it was intended to be.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:51:12pm |
re: #171 The Sanity Inspector
Tell me what crimes you accuse the Jews of, and I will tell you what you are guilty of.
-- Vasily Grossman, Life and Fate
Reminds me of Soros blaming Israel for anti-semitism.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:51:29pm |
re: #168 HoosierHoops
Yeah, I know, the Midwest. When we lived outside Chicago, I had to walk to school with bread bags over my socks, inside my snow boots. I think I'm scared for life. Having descended from hearty pioneer stock, it goes with the territory.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:54:20pm |
re: #161 sattv4u2
And those 'Dixiecrats' were Democrats. Leaders, in fact
FACT ,, a larger percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both houses voted FOR the bill. It wasn't just the 'dixiecrats" that voted against it
In those days we had some very bad Democrats, and some very good Republicans. But the times they were a'changin.
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Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:54:31pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:54:55pm |
re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Connecticut Conference of Municipalities?
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:55:24pm |
re: #153 sattv4u2
Gonna tell them why the
demssouthies were the leading force in trying to block the '64 civil rights act!?
You could, I don't know, try to be honest about things, but instead you go for the cheap, deceptive partisan manipulation, why is that?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:56:59pm |
re: #180 Decatur Deb
In those days we had some very bad Democrats, and some very good Republicans. But the times they were a'changin.
Some of those same democrats are still ,, well ,, democrats!
I give major props to Hubert Humphrey. If it wasn't for him God only knows what would have happened, because the other leaders in the party were batshattery nuts. But the fact remains, the percentage of repubs that voted for the bill far outwieghed their counterparts.
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:56:59pm |
re: #178 prairiefire
Yeah, I know, the Midwest. When we lived outside Chicago, I had to walk to school with bread bags over my socks, inside my snow boots. I think I'm scared for life. Having descended from hearty pioneer stock, it goes with the territory.
I can't wait to move this fall.. But fucking ice falling out of the sky? what's up with that? I'm pretty much over the pioneer stock line..*wink*
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:58:55pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:58:55pm |
re: #184 goddamnedfrank
You could, I don't know, try to be honest about things, but instead you go for the cheap, deceptive partisan manipulation, why is that?
Why not also break iot down to height !?!?!
FACT
The Senate Version: Democratic Party: 46-22 Republican Party: 27-6
The Original House Version: Democratic Party: 153-96 Republican Party: 138-34
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Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:59:42pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 6:59:54pm |
re: #183 MandyManners
When asked about anti-Semitism in Europe, Soros, who is Jewish, said European anti-Semitism is the result of the policies of Israel and the United States.
"There is a resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe. The policies of the Bush administration and the Sharon administration contribute to that," Soros said. "It's not specifically anti-Semitism, but it does manifest itself in anti-Semitism as well. I'm critical of those policies."
What a douche.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:00:44pm |
And on that note ,, the overnight person has arrived ,, so I bid you all a farewell
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:03:14pm |
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:04:08pm |
re: #172 MandyManners
I go to post and a) nothing happens, b) I get an error that the post I just made is a "duplicate post."
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:04:09pm |
re: #185 sattv4u2
Some of those same democrats are still ,, well ,, democrats!
I give major props to Hubert Humphrey. If it wasn't for him God only knows what would have happened, because the other leaders in the party were batshattery nuts. But the fact remains, the percentage of repubs that voted for the bill far outwieghed their counterparts.
I don't see JFK, RFK, and LBJ as nuts. (Might say tragic, Euripedes permitting.) LBJ was the most tragic of the three, because he lived through it.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:04:18pm |
re: #191 Killgore Trout
Many around here now claim he's just a philanthropist.
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solomonpanting Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:04:25pm |
re: #183 MandyManners
When asked about anti-Semitism in Europe, Soros, who is Jewish, said European anti-Semitism is the result of the policies of Israel and the United States.
That's true. Excuse me while I draw up a list of the numerous Israeli policies from the Third Century until the Twentieth.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:04:34pm |
re: #194 eclectic infidel
I go to post and a) nothing happens, b) I get an error that the post I just made is a "duplicate post."
Have you contacted Charles?
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:04:47pm |
re: #186 HoosierHoops
It's called hail. If I go anywhere in the country side around here, people start looking like relatives. I'm a 4th generation KC ian, with settler ancestors getting to this area about 1840.
I'm glad I've seen the rest of the world so I'm fine with things here.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:05:06pm |
re: #197 solomonpanting
That's true. Excuse me while I draw up a list of the numerous Israeli policies from the Third Century until the Twentieth.
I'll not hold my breath.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:05:06pm |
re: #196 MandyManners
Many around here now claim he's just a philanthropist.
I'm sticking with douchebag.
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Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:05:21pm |
re: #196 MandyManners
Many around here now claim he's just a philanthropist.
An evil philanthorpist?
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:05:47pm |
re: #198 MandyManners
I'll do that now. I was going to respond to another's post about ebedded video and then I got sidetracked watching the youtube video (some riot happened in Berkeley recently on the 26th).
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:06:02pm |
re: #199 prairiefire
It's called hail. If I go anywhere in the country side around here, people start looking like relatives. I'm a 4th generation KC ian, with settler ancestors getting to this area about 1840.
I'm glad I've seen the rest of the world so I'm fine with things here.
I thought it was called "sleet"?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:06:27pm |
re: #202 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
philanthrodouche?
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:06:29pm |
re: #189 sattv4u2
Why not also break iot down to height !?!?!
Because the southern half of this nation doesn't have a past that includes going to war for the right to enslave short people. And although separate water fountains for short people are useful, nobody was forcing their use in 1964.
But you're being deliberately obtuse, so that really wasn't for you.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:06:55pm |
re: #202 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
An evil philanthorpist?
Makes you wonder about the institutions he's founded and the others he's funding.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:07:26pm |
re: #203 eclectic infidel
I'll do that now. I was going to respond to another's post about ebedded video and then I got sidetracked watching the youtube video (some riot happened in Berkeley recently on the 26th).
About the rise in student fees or tuition?
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:08:00pm |
re: #209 MandyManners
I think the tantrum had to do with fee hikes.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:09:14pm |
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:09:55pm |
re: #204 MandyManners
Sleet is rain turning into snow. Hail occurs when there are more severe circumstances of changes in pressure and temperature. The moisture forms into balls of ice in varying degrees of size. It can happen in the summer, and usually precedes a tornado.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:09:58pm |
re: #202 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
An evil philanthorpist?
Apparently!
So evil that some are still posting a link from 2003.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:11:11pm |
re: #211 MandyManners
Yes. There were also camera close ups of the riot cops and boy, did they look bored and annoyed. They were probably rousted out of bed to deal with the little jerks.
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solomonpanting Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:12:10pm |
An evil philanthorpist?
Apparently!
So evil that some are still posting a link from 2003.
Then he really didn't mean what he said. TFG.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:12:17pm |
I mentioned this on the end of the last thread a few hours ago, but, I want to repeat this... earlier this afternoon I went to the movies and saw "Precious."
Please... run out now, soon, what ever, but do not miss this movie. One of the best American made films in years, in my opinion.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:12:18pm |
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:12:21pm |
re: #212 prairiefire
Sleet is rain turning into snow. Hail occurs when there are more severe circumstances of changes in pressure and temperature. The moisture forms into balls of ice in varying degrees of size. It can happen in the summer, and usually precedes a tornado.
I've been through both.
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:12:27pm |
re: #199 prairiefire
It's called hail. If I go anywhere in the country side around here, people start looking like relatives. I'm a 4th generation KC ian, with settler ancestors getting to this area about 1840.
I'm glad I've seen the rest of the world so I'm fine with things here.
Sleet is what they are calling it tonight....I call it Ice from the fucking sky..
It's hard living here sometimes in the Winter...In 60 days I'll be opening the pool in the backyard... This is just a bad memory for me. in 2 months Winston and I will be floating around the pool working the tan../ Winston doesn't get tan lines...But I do..*wink*
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:13:31pm |
re: #214 eclectic infidel
Yes. There were also camera close ups of the riot cops and boy, did they look bored and annoyed. They were probably rousted out of bed to deal with the little jerks.
The jerks have to pay more so they force others to pay to replace their windows. Beyond brats.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:13:42pm |
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Aye Pod Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:14:09pm |
re: #183 MandyManners
Ahem - Mandy - you just posted a link to a holocaust denial site. You linked to that site before, remember? "Fund David Irving's Real History campaign" indeed.
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Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:14:34pm |
re: #213 iceweasel
Apparently!
So evil that some are still posting a link from 2003.
An evil link from 2003?
Sorry, I'm just stuck at work doing some pointless work because some people can't seem to read reports given to them 45 days in advance and updated every 2-3 days, so getting a little bit silly at the moment.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:17:45pm |
re: #183 MandyManners
Your link goes to Holocaust denier David Irving's website...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:17:50pm |
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:17:50pm |
re: #225 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
An evil link from 2003?
Sorry, I'm just stuck at work doing some pointless work because some people can't seem to read reports given to them 45 days in advance and updated every 2-3 days, so getting a little bit silly at the moment.
Yes, an evil link from 2003. A holocaust denial site, to which Mandy has linked before, and had the link deleted.
But they hate SoRoS, so she apparently doesn't care.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:18:34pm |
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Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:19:08pm |
Ah, yes, and now we've entered the empty threats section of tonights con call, always a fun place. "This commands needs this and it cannot be shut down. What makes you think you can tell me what to do?"
DoD security guidelines which say I can shutdown your connection if you don't comply. Worthless little shits.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:19:11pm |
re: #229 Walter L. Newton
Thanks. I read the beginning to get a feel for the plot. Already closed the page in case I was right.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:19:18pm |
re: #224 Jimmah
Ahem - Mandy - you just posted a link to a holocaust denial site. You linked to that site before, remember? "Fund David Irving's Real History campaign" indeed.
The ADL on David Irving ... interesting, thanks for the heads up.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:20:14pm |
Academy Of .... Give Mo'Nique the Oscar. No one else has been brave enough to play that role on screen like she did.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:20:20pm |
re: #226 Charles
Your link goes to Holocaust denier David Irving's website...
Why would he post about anti-semitism if he's a denier? I don't understand.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:20:36pm |
re: #226 Charles
Your link goes to Holocaust denier David Irving's website...
Philanthropist!
/big sarc tag
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Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:21:21pm |
re: #228 iceweasel
Yes, an evil link from 2003. A holocaust denial site, to which Mandy has linked before, and had the link deleted.
But they hate SoRoS, so she apparently doesn't care.
Hadn't check it out. I dont make a practice of scrolling back up if I have to step away for long.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:22:21pm |
re: #236 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Hadn't check it out. I dont make a practice of scrolling back up if I have to step away for long.
Yeah, Jimmah and CJ beat me to pointing it out.
David Irving is scum.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:22:27pm |
re: #233 prairiefire
Academy Of ... Give Mo'Nique the Oscar. No one else has been brave enough to play that role on screen like she did.
It was the most amazing monologue (her last scene) that I have seen performed in years... she had me convinced that she was convinced in herself.
And she should get best support actress hands down. She has already won best supporting actress in 10 or more other awards.
Unbelievable.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:23:26pm |
re: #234 MandyManners
Why would he post about anti-semitism if he's a denier? I don't understand.
Because like most bigots he's a two faced sack of crap?
That's just my hunch.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:23:37pm |
re: #234 MandyManners
Why would he post about anti-semitism if he's a denier? I don't understand.
Ok, after looking at that again they are agreeing with him that Jews are responsible antisemitism. Interesting development. A moronic convergence of sorts.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:25:22pm |
I'm not sure if the quotes can be trusted but this is interesting.....
The billionaire financier said he, too, bears some responsibility for the new anti-Semitism, citing last month's speech by Malaysia's outgoing prime minister, Mahathir Mohammad, who said, "Jews rule the world by proxy.""I'm also very concerned about my own role because the new anti-Semitism holds that the Jews rule the world," said Soros, whose projects and funding have influenced governments and promoted various political causes around the world.
"As an unintended consequence of my actions," he said, "I also contribute to that image."
I suspect the quotes might not be accurate.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:26:27pm |
re: #242 Killgore Trout
Accurate or not, there's something funny about someone saying "I feel bad that I rule the world"
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:27:03pm |
re: #242 Killgore Trout
It sounds like an introspective liberal to me. I think George Soros is an amazing man.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:28:37pm |
re: #244 prairiefire
It sounds like an introspective liberal to me. I think George Soros is an amazing man.
Possibly. Robert Fisk famously claimed that he deserved being beaten because he's an evil Westerner. It's a weird lefty instinct.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:28:44pm |
re: #242 Killgore Trout
I'm not sure if the quotes can be trusted but this is interesting...
I suspect the quotes might not be accurate.
I suspect that when we're dealing with a holocaust denial site, the default assumption ought to be that it's filled with inaccuracies and lies, yeah.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:29:46pm |
Holocaust deniers talk about antisemitism in an effort to redefine the very word and notion of what antisemitism is so as "prove" that such hatred really doesn't exist.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:29:54pm |
re: #242 Killgore Trout
I'm not sure if the quotes can be trusted but this is interesting...
I suspect the quotes might not be accurate.
From what I've read all over the place in the last few minutes, they're accurate.
[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]
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William of Orange Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:30:04pm |
The SMALLEST jazz band ever seen!!
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laZardo Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:30:40pm |
re: #243 windsagio
Accurate or not, there's something funny about someone saying "I feel bad that I rule the world"
Everybody wants to, but when they do, suddenly it's lonely at the top.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:31:06pm |
See the bolded part:
Irving's reputation as an historian was widely discredited[3] after he brought an unsuccessful libel case against the American historian Deborah Lipstadt and Penguin Books in 1996. The court found that Irving was an active Holocaust denier, antisemite and racist, who "associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism,"[4] and that he had "for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence."[4][5]
wikipedia.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:32:02pm |
re: #247 eclectic infidel
Holocaust deniers talk about antisemitism in an effort to redefine the very word and notion of what antisemitism is so as "prove" that such hatred really doesn't exist.
Yeah, but it's a two step strategy, learned from Hitler himself. It goes like this:
1) There is no such thing as antisemitism.
2) If there is, it's entirely rational and the Jews brought it on themselves.
Substitute "holocaust" for "antisemitism" as necessary.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:32:31pm |
re: #251 eclectic infidel
See the bolded part:
Irving's reputation as an historian was widely discredited[3] after he brought an unsuccessful libel case against the American historian Deborah Lipstadt and Penguin Books in 1996. The court found that Irving was an active Holocaust denier, antisemite and racist, who "associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism,"[4] and that he had "for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence."[4][5]
wikipedia.
He's a right rotter.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:33:46pm |
re: #244 prairiefire
It sounds like an introspective liberal to me. I think George Soros is an amazing man.
TAKE COVER!
;)
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:33:56pm |
Just recently at the Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists, the nasty anti-Israel organization Jewish Voice for Peace was hosted where the JVP speaker blurted out that antisemitism really doesn't exist and is a mere cover for elitist thinking (we had some of our people there taking notes).
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:34:50pm |
Matt Welch %P% December 8, 2003
George Soros has a long and storied track record of being all villains to all people. Nobody that rich, and that meddlesome in international affairs—through his massive, market-influencing hedge-fund bets against national currencies, or via his multi-billion dollar "Open Society" philanthropy in 50-plus countries—could avoid being fitted for devil's horns on a daily basis.
(SNIP to unhinged wingnut excerpt)
Former National Review contributor and ex-House Republican staffer Phil Brennan called Soros a "socialist billionaire," and lumped him with the group of American "progressives" who he says spend their time "sitting in their privileged retreats, contemplating the glories of such heroes of socialism as Fidel Castro, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini and that great leader of Iraq's socialist Ba'athist party Saddam Hussein."
SNIP
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:34:57pm |
Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.
KROFT: In what way?
Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and--and anticipate events and when--when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a--a very personal experience of evil.
KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.
KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.
KROFT: I mean, that's--that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
Mr. SOROS: Not--not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't--you don't see the connection. But it was--it created no--no problem at all.
KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
Mr. SOROS: No.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:35:47pm |
re: #257 MandyManners
Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.
Whoops. Forgot the link.
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:36:22pm |
It's hard listening to Bobby Knight tonight...
Back in the day I emailed CW Nevius every day at the SF Chron...
Every day he wrote a story about Knight as an asshole...you you CW and I got really close to waste fucking Knight out...If you choke my son in Basketball practice the Hoopster is going to kick your ever fricking ass off the court...
Don't you ever touch my fucking boy you fucker.. It took us 2 years to get him Fired from IU.. But that is is one of my proudest moments of my life..
Thank you CW..You stud.. Thank you my friend. We did it!
I am a monster emailer
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:36:53pm |
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:37:18pm |
I think it's pretty shitty to criticise a 14 year old for surviving the Holocaust.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:38:04pm |
re: #261 Varek Raith
Fine. Not making enough money on Ebay, frickin' recession.
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Aye Pod Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:40:11pm |
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Views on antisemitism
At a Jewish forum in New York City, November 5, 2003, Soros partially attributed a recent resurgence of antisemitism to the policies of Israel and the United States, and to successful Jews such as himself:
There is a resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe. The policies of the Bush administration and the Sharon administration contribute to that. It's not specifically anti-Semitism, but it does manifest itself in anti-Semitism as well. I'm critical of those policies... If we change that direction, then anti-Semitism also will diminish. I can't see how one could confront it directly... I'm also very concerned about my own role because the new anti-Semitism holds that the Jews rule the world... As an unintended consequence of my actions... I also contribute to that image.[58]
In a subsequent article for The New York Review of Books, Soros emphasized that
I do not subscribe to the myths propagated by enemies of Israel and I am not blaming Jews for anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism predates the birth of Israel. Neither Israel's policies nor the critics of those policies should be held responsible for anti-Semitism. At the same time, I do believe that attitudes toward Israel are influenced by Israel's policies, and attitudes toward the Jewish community are influenced by the pro-Israel lobby's success in suppressing divergent views.[59]
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:40:31pm |
re: #258 MandyManners
Whoops. Forgot the link.
At that link:
Current Campaigns
ConnecticutVote No to Connecticut Medical Marijuana Bill #6578
New HampshireVote No to New Hampshire Medical Marijuana Bill #238-FN
New JerseyVote No to New Jersey Medical Marijuana Bill #S2200
New Mexico
Vote No to New Mexico Medical Marijuana Bill #S492
New YorkVote No to New York's Pending Medical Marijuana Bill
TexasVote No to Texas Medical Marihuana Bill #658
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:41:13pm |
re: #257 MandyManners
Wow, just wow, how bothered are you by the Pope's experience in the Nazi Youth?
The size of the balls it must take to question a survivor over the propriety of not feeling guilty for having done what was necessary to survive.
Phenomenal!
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:41:32pm |
re: #264 Decatur Deb
Go Cardinals.
I picked them last year to win the NCAA...
I'm not sure who to pick this year...I'm working on it
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:42:04pm |
Since the 2008 Colombian attack on a FARC base in Ecuador, Chávez has kept bilateral commercial ties in check. Politics aside, Venezuela and Colombia had been major partners in trade. Uribe had the temerity to compare Chávez's measures to the U.S. embargo on Cuba. Comandante Hugo shot back that Colombian paramilitaries had threatened his life and headed for the door in a tizzy. Uribe retorted: ``Be a man!'' Chávez snapped back: ``Go to hell!''
Hugo Chávez is not a normal president. While repeatedly winning elections, he has no intention of ever ceding the office. That's what we used to call a dictator. Only now gutting democracy from within and stacking the deck in favor of forever power is simply a matter of a country's internal affairs.
SNIP
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laZardo Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:42:20pm |
re: #268 goddamnedfrank
Wow, just wow, how bothered are you by the Pope's experience in the Nazi Youth?
The size of the balls it must take to question a survivor over the propriety of not feeling guilty for having done what was necessary to survive.
Phenomenal!
The last Pope was a Communist. Benedict just balances it out.
/// q:
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deadletterboy Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:43:01pm |
So something I came across today over on PZ Myers' blog.
Shepherd's Hill Farm is a Hell Hole
Does anyone know how we can report things like this to a news organization? Or someone that'll do some investigating? It looks like a lawsuit is in the offing (Testimonials) but this is some messed up crap.
Another story on it: The Great Child Abuse Secret
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:43:10pm |
re: #269 HoosierHoops
Never had any use for Knight--he is the anti-Paterno.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:45:11pm |
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:45:34pm |
re: #268 goddamnedfrank
Wow, just wow, how bothered are you by the Pope's experience in the Nazi Youth?
The size of the balls it must take to question a survivor over the propriety of not feeling guilty for having done what was necessary to survive.
Phenomenal!
She does that all the time.
She's been posting about the money Soros gave to CAP for about 2 weeks now, hoping to start an Outrageous Outrage.
Mandy's Soros derangement syndrome has led her at least twice now to link to (the same) holocaust denial website as well.
*rolls eyes* indeed. Vomiting would be more appropriate.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:46:15pm |
Here I thought the Illuminati controlled the world when all this time it's been George Soros.
/
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:46:46pm |
re: #272 deadletterboy
So something I came across today over on PZ Myers' blog.
Shepherd's Hill Farm is a Hell Hole
Does anyone know how we can report things like this to a news organization? Or someone that'll do some investigating? It looks like a lawsuit is in the offing (Testimonials) but this is some messed up crap.
Another story on it: The Great Child Abuse Secret
That is just awful.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:46:49pm |
re: #257 MandyManners
Mandy, I have never heard a Jew speak out against Soros for what he did to survive as a child. It's a complex subject, but the vast majority of those using that story about Soros are themselves anti-Semites.
I recommend the beautiful, painful book by Primo Levi, "The Drowned and The Saved", for an honest, terrible look at that period in time, and all the moral shades of gray that go with it.
Levi, I think, would have considered a blessing that the Nazis had not infested Soros with guilt. That's one of their most lasting and pernicious and foul legacies; not only did they destroy so many of us, but they tried to make any who survived feel guilt for the rest of their lives.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:47:22pm |
re: #277 Gus 802
Here I thought the Illuminati controlled the world when all this time it's been George Soros.
/
Psst, I control the world. Keep it to yourself.
Pass it on.
;)
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:47:45pm |
re: #272 deadletterboy
So something I came across today over on PZ Myers' blog.
Shepherd's Hill Farm is a Hell Hole
Does anyone know how we can report things like this to a news organization? Or someone that'll do some investigating? It looks like a lawsuit is in the offing (Testimonials) but this is some messed up crap.
Another story on it: The Great Child Abuse Secret
I've seen a couple of stories in the past about these so-called Christian boot camps. I'll see if I can find out where-- maybe there's a reporter who's done work on it before and will pick this up.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:48:31pm |
re: #280 Varek Raith
Psst, I control the world. Keep it to yourself.
Pass it on.
;)
Do not divulge our plans to replace world consumption of coffee with Bisquick.
/
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Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:48:32pm |
re: #273 Decatur Deb
Never had any use for Knight--he is the anti-Paterno.
I am proud..I'm Damn proud of the stories CW Nevius did in the SF Chon on Knight...I emailed him every day..You go boy!
I am damn proud to help bring him down..you don't choke players you mother..
I'm proud to to help bring him down.. It took 2 years of emails and CW stories...
Sorry about your luck Bobby..You bitch!
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deadletterboy Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:48:40pm |
re: #281 iceweasel
Yeah, I'm most familiar with the Jesus Camp film, but this is something beyond that.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:49:35pm |
re: #279 Obdicut
Mandy, I have never heard a Jew speak out against Soros for what he did to survive as a child. It's a complex subject, but the vast majority of those using that story about Soros are themselves anti-Semites.
I recommend the beautiful, painful book by Primo Levi, "The Drowned and The Saved", for an honest, terrible look at that period in time, and all the moral shades of gray that go with it.
Levi, I think, would have considered a blessing that the Nazis had not infested Soros with guilt. That's one of their most lasting and pernicious and foul legacies; not only did they destroy so many of us, but they tried to make any who survived feel guilt for the rest of their lives.
Seconded. Levi's book is incredible.
The chapter called the Grey Zone (made into a terrible movie IIRC) is excellent, as is the chapter about language and violence. The whole book is one I'd recommend highly. Can't overstate how highly, actually.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:49:49pm |
re: #248 MandyManners
From what I've read all over the place in the last few minutes, they're accurate.
[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]
Hmmm, it's certainly possible but I'm still suspicious. The far right and the counter-jihad movement have converged with neo-Nazis so it's possible that the ultra-zionsist are repeating neo-nazi talking points. It's also entirely possible that Soros is so self hating (like Fisk) that he perceives himself and other Jews as responsible for antisetism. Not sure who to believe on this one.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:50:22pm |
re: #283 prairiefire
He had such compassion his whole life. And he was so unflinching. And he considered himself a coward. He was an amazing person. His death is another to lay at the feet of the Nazis, even if not at their hands.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:50:37pm |
re: #276 iceweasel
She does that all the time.
She's been posting about the money Soros gave to CAP for about 2 weeks now, hoping to start an Outrageous Outrage.
Mandy's Soros derangement syndrome has led her at least twice now to link to (the same) holocaust denial website as well.
*rolls eyes* indeed. Vomiting would be more appropriate.
I wanted to see where this was going so I let it slide without opening up the safety glass that covers the dinger button, but as of #274 she's just thread-shitting, and putting no effort behind it at all. Can't reward that kind of behavior.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:51:02pm |
re: #287 Killgore Trout
Hmmm, it's certainly possible but I'm still suspicious. The far right and the counter-jihad movement have converged with neo-Nazis so it's possible that the ultra-zionsist are repeating neo-nazi talking points. It's also entirely possible that Soros is so self hating (like Fisk) that he perceives himself and other Jews as responsible for antisetism. Not sure who to believe on this one.
Google Jewish Funders Network Soros 2003. Plenty of hits.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:52:21pm |
re: #285 deadletterboy
Yeah, I'm most familiar with the Jesus Camp film, but this is something beyond that.
yeah, these are camps for 'troubled' teens, supposedly Christian-run. Kids have died when on their forced marches. BTW, being 'troubled' can include such 'bad behaviour' as being gay.
I'll try and remember the names-- brb.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:53:09pm |
It's all about Obama right? How Sorors got him elected or something? I never heard of George Soros until he became the Obama hater's boogieman.
Correct me if my basic assumption is wrong.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:53:17pm |
re: #286 iceweasel
His other books are beautiful as well, but that one is probably the starkest and most uncompromising look at what happened to the prisoners in the camps, what it was like to 'live' in such a horror.
My favorite book of his is still "Other People's Trades", however.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:54:08pm |
re: #291 MandyManners
Google Jewish Funders Network Soros 2003. Plenty of hits.
Interesting but I wouldn't wager a bet either way on this one without a reliable transcript or, better yet, video of the speech.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:54:29pm |
re: #293 Stanley Sea
It's all about Obama right? How Sorors got him elected or something? I never heard of George Soros until he became the Obama hater's boogieman.
Correct me if my basic assumption is wrong.
I think he's been a boogieman for the right since he gave money to MoveOn.org, actually. So over ten years, basically.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:55:27pm |
re: #287 Killgore Trout
Hmmm, it's certainly possible but I'm still suspicious. The far right and the counter-jihad movement have converged with neo-Nazis so it's possible that the ultra-zionsist are repeating neo-nazi talking points. It's also entirely possible that Soros is so self hating (like Fisk) that he perceives himself and other Jews as responsible for antisetism. Not sure who to believe on this one.
So Soros make a comment in 2003 and suddenly he's a "self hating Jew?" I assume that everyone making this accusation is a licensed therapist in which Soros has been under their care. Is he not entitled to his opinion? What does he cross some kind of imaginary line and once he crosses it he's done with and forever cast as a "self hating Jew?"
I don't know why but I'm troubled by that phrase. It's like calling someone that opposes US foreign policy a "self hating American." Of course that's already been done countless times and is phrased as "un-American."
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:55:37pm |
re: #272 deadletterboy
So something I came across today over on PZ Myers' blog.
Shepherd's Hill Farm is a Hell Hole
Does anyone know how we can report things like this to a news organization? Or someone that'll do some investigating? It looks like a lawsuit is in the offing (Testimonials) but this is some messed up crap.
Another story on it: The Great Child Abuse Secret
I would put a hold on this--it could be about a real atrocity, and it could be a strategic move in a legal/cosmological piss fight. The only certainty is that we are not getting the full story. Most children in custodial situations are on the radar of a child welfare agency.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:55:47pm |
re: #293 Stanley Sea
Mr. Soros is a founder of MoveOn.org. He donated a lot of his personal wealth to fight the re-election of George W. Bush. I volunteered for MoveOn in 2004 and made about 1000 phone calls on behalf of John Kerry.
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Racer X Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:55:49pm |
Are you classified as human?
Negative, I'm a meat popsicle.
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Aye Pod Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:56:07pm |
re: #287 Killgore Trout
Hmmm, it's certainly possible but I'm still suspicious. The far right and the counter-jihad movement have converged with neo-Nazis so it's possible that the ultra-zionsist are repeating neo-nazi talking points. It's also entirely possible that Soros is so self hating (like Fisk) that he perceives himself and other Jews as responsible for antisetism. Not sure who to believe on this one.
Soros already clarified his views in response to such comments:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
"I do not subscribe to the myths propagated by enemies of Israel and I am not blaming Jews for anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism predates the birth of Israel. Neither Israel's policies nor the critics of those policies should be held responsible for anti-Semitism. At the same time, I do believe that attitudes toward Israel are influenced by Israel's policies, and attitudes toward the Jewish community are influenced by the pro-Israel lobby's success in suppressing divergent views." [59]
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:56:21pm |
re: #296 iceweasel
I think he's been a boogieman for the right since he gave money to MoveOn.org, actually. So over ten years, basically.
Ahhh, MoveOn. Thanks for the info, not that I'm scared enough to start studying up on him.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:56:25pm |
re: #300 Racer X
A carbon based life form. Glad to meetcha!
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:56:39pm |
If my times are correct, we'll know in about 5 minutes whether Japan is hit with the predicted 9ft tsunami.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:56:40pm |
re: #291 MandyManners
Google Jewish Funders Network Soros 2003. Plenty of hits.
Mandy, you have my email address. If you want some insight to the decisions that people had to make during WWII, righteous people, email me and ask me to send you my award winning script "A Field of Buttercups." It deals with young children and the Warsaw Ghetto.
(P.S. And no, this is not a shameless self promotion, just trying to reach out to Mandy with some information that she might consider insightful to the subject of survival and the Holocaust. The script has been available free to Lizards for years).
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:58:15pm |
re: #290 goddamnedfrank
I wanted to see where this was going so I let it slide without opening up the safety glass that covers the dinger button, but as of #274 she's just thread-shitting, and putting no effort behind it at all. Can't reward that kind of behavior.
Yeah, that's why I have a blanket policy now on someone's Soros derangement syndrome. It's a pattern of behaviour.
Also, it's no different than how I'd treat a person on the left who hates Bush irrationally. Suppose it were 2003, since that appears to be the year we've time-travelled to, and I knew someone who irrationally hated Bush and was anti-Iraq war.
I wouldn't be able to talk to someone who compulsively linked any site at all that attacked Bush-- troofer sites, sites calling him a drunk, a coke addict, whatever. That isn't someone who is interested in reality.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:58:17pm |
re: #295 Killgore Trout
Interesting but I wouldn't wager a bet either way on this one without a reliable transcript or, better yet, video of the speech.
Why would all of the sources say the same thing?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:58:17pm |
re: #296 iceweasel
He's like Rupert Murdoch. He has money to pay for think tanks and his own media propaganda. I don't find his agenda or bullshit any more appealing than Rupert's. Although I think Rupert does a more effective job. Fox News, WSJ, Sky News, Tea Parties and the GOP. That's pretty impressive when compared to Media Matters and Moveon dot org.
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jaunte Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:58:25pm |
re: #301 Jimmah
This:
attitudes toward the Jewish community are influenced by the pro-Israel lobby's success in suppressing divergent views
sounds like an idea that would be right at home at Stormfront.
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Locker Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:59:33pm |
Off whatever top is going on I found this song on FIFA 10 but still... She's got me dancing and she's always one step behind *clap clap*.
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Racer X Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:59:39pm |
Americans are bad, m'kay?
The Nazis' Murder of Jews, Communists and Gypsies In Gas Chambers Was an AMERICAN Idea
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 7:59:40pm |
re: #301 Jimmah
Anti-Semitism predates the birth of Israel. Neither Israel's policies nor the critics of those policies should be held responsible for anti-Semitism. At the same time, I do believe that attitudes toward Israel are influenced by Israel's policies, and attitudes toward the Jewish community are influenced by the pro-Israel lobby's success in suppressing divergent views."
Hmmm, that doesn't help his case much in my book.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:00:23pm |
re: #299 prairiefire
Mr. Soros is a founder of MoveOn.org. He donated a lot of his personal wealth to fight the re-election of George W. Bush. I volunteered for MoveOn in 2004 and made about 1000 phone calls on behalf of John Kerry.
Well then, clearly you are a demon.
Now hold still while I fetch some cold iron and running water.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:00:25pm |
re: #305 Walter L. Newton
Mandy, you have my email address. If you want some insight to the decisions that people had to make during WWII, righteous people, email me and ask me to send you my award winning script "A Field of Buttercups." It deals with young children and the Warsaw Ghetto.
(P.S. And no, this is not a shameless self promotion, just trying to reach out to Mandy with some information that she might consider insightful to the subject of survival and the Holocaust. The script has been available free to Lizards for years).
His behavior during the Holocaust is not the focus. It's his behavior since then. I've provided two links to multiple stories. One is LGF. The other is the New York Observer.
BTW, I got the deleted link here at LGF some time ago.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:00:51pm |
re: #307 MandyManners
Why would all of the sources say the same thing?
Judging from his "defense" in #301 I would guess the quotes might be accurate.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:01:20pm |
re: #313 goddamnedfrank
If you try to drown me I will not float!!!
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:01:36pm |
re: #314 MandyManners
His behavior during the Holocaust is not the focus.
Then why bring it up at all?
And it isn't the first time.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:01:45pm |
re: #314 MandyManners
His behavior during the Holocaust is not the focus. It's his behavior since then. I've provided two links to multiple stories. One is LGF. The other is the New York Observer.
BTW, I got the deleted link here at LGF some time ago.
I'm sorry... I thought it was you who posted those questions and answers from Soros about what he did during the war at 14 years of age.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:01:57pm |
Walter - would you send the script to me? I have a generic email account I use for such things.
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mich-again Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:02:42pm |
re: #242 Killgore Trout
"I'm also very concerned about my own role because the new anti-Semitism holds that the Jews rule the world," said Soros... As an unintended consequence of my actions," he said, "I also contribute to that image."
What I think he is saying is it concerns him that he is a Jew who rules the world because it leads to a misconception that the Jews rule the world.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:02:48pm |
re: #319 eclectic infidel
Walter - would you send the script to me? I have a generic email account I use for such things.
Click on my name, you will see a email link, email me with your blind account and I will shoot it off to you right now.
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Aye Pod Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:03:49pm |
re: #312 Killgore Trout
Hmmm, that doesn't help his case much in my book.
That may raise some issues for you but this :
I do not subscribe to the myths propagated by enemies of Israel and I am not blaming Jews for anti-Semitism.
certainly answers what I was responding to you about, which was:
It's also entirely possible that Soros is so self hating (like Fisk) that he perceives himself and other Jews as responsible for antisetism
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avanti Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:04:14pm |
O.T.
My wife just infected her computer with this baby. The latest from the Russians, it pops up and loads a official program that looks like a Microsoft program, logo's and the rest are a copy of the Microsoft look. It'll tell you your computer is infected, blocks you from the internet and tells you to buy the $50 program to get rid of it.At the same time, it loads a few 100 pop ups,
None of the virus programs I've tried can remove it, although one says it can if I down load it's program to a uninfected computer and load it on a thumb drive to run on the infected computer. Anyone have a solution ?
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Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:05:48pm |
re: #323 avanti
O.T.
My wife just infected her computer with this baby. The latest from the Russians, it pops up and loads a official program that looks like a Microsoft program, logo's and the rest are a copy of the Microsoft look. It'll tell you your computer is infected, blocks you from the internet and tells you to buy the $50 program to get rid of it.At the same time, it loads a few 100 pop ups,
None of the virus programs I've tried can remove it, although one says it can if I down load it's program to a uninfected computer and load it on a thumb drive to run on the infected computer. Anyone have a solution ?
Had one like that a few months back. Had to get symantec customer service to clean it up via remote management.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:06:49pm |
I'm about to curl up with a good book and hit the hay. A friend's reading Hayek's The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism and I've been thinking about picking up a copy. It'd be fun to send one to Chavez.
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Locker Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:06:51pm |
re: #321 Walter L. Newton
I asked for a copy as well. Thanks.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:06:54pm |
re: #314 MandyManners
His behavior? Or his words?
It sounds to me that he was awkwardly expressing that the policy stances of Israel affect all Jews, not just Israel, and that he feels that they have taken a wrong course of action-- and that Bush has as well. You may feel he's mistaken in this-- as I assume you do. However, given that part of his statement is a concern for non-Israeli Jews being affected by Israeli politics, I can't see how it can be used as an accusation of anything more than being opposed to policies of Bush and Sharon.
What exactly are you accusing him of, aside from supporting leftist causes? I can't really tell. It kind of sounds like you're accusing him of being a 'bad Jew', and I really want to caution you that that is something that anti-Semites encourage people to do, especially to powerful, more secular Jews. Please note I am in no way, at all, absolutely not accusing you of the slightest shred of anti-Semitism. But as Soros says, his position as a very wealthy Jew who involves himself in politics inevitably means that anti-Semites attack him, and one of their avenues of attack is implying that he is a self-loathing Jew or otherwise corrupted.
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Locker Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:07:51pm |
re: #323 avanti
Tell me what tools you've tried and if I have something besides that list I'd be happy to share it. Good luck.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:07:54pm |
re: #323 avanti
Have you tried Avast? If that doesn't work, have you used HijackThis (only if you're comfy editing your registry.)
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:08:17pm |
re: #323 avanti
O.T.
My wife just infected her computer with this baby. The latest from the Russians, it pops up and loads a official program that looks like a Microsoft program, logo's and the rest are a copy of the Microsoft look. It'll tell you your computer is infected, blocks you from the internet and tells you to buy the $50 program to get rid of it.At the same time, it loads a few 100 pop ups,
None of the virus programs I've tried can remove it, although one says it can if I down load it's program to a uninfected computer and load it on a thumb drive to run on the infected computer. Anyone have a solution ?
You have a job ahead. It's rogue spyware that wants to sell you a bogus "service". It is effective at fighting off Norton and McAffee security. Fixes are out in the free anti-malware world, but I've had mixed luck with them. I finally reloaded Win98, then got sick of it all and cleaned the disk for Ubuntu.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:09:14pm |
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:10:38pm |
re: #326 MandyManners
I'm about to curl up with a good book and hit the hay. A friend's reading Hayek's The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism and I've been thinking about picking up a copy. It'd be fun to send one to Chavez.
Is that the one with Fabio as an Astronaut on the cover? 'Nite.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:11:29pm |
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:11:43pm |
re: #333 Decatur Deb
OT: During my brief career as a cater-waiter, Fabio spilled hollandaise sauce on my trousers.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:11:49pm |
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:12:20pm |
re: #308 Killgore Trout
He's like Rupert Murdoch. He has money to pay for think tanks and his own media propaganda. I don't find his agenda or bullshit any more appealing than Rupert's. Although I think Rupert does a more effective job. Fox News, WSJ, Sky News, Tea Parties and the GOP. That's pretty impressive when compared to Media Matters and Moveon dot org.
Soros has never funded Media Matters. That is a lie spread by Drudge.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
Drudge falsely claimed Soros funds Media Matters
Internet gossip Matt Drudge has claimed that Media Matters for America is a "Soros operation."
In fact, Media Matters has never received funding from progressive philanthropist George Soros.
O'Reilly, Rush, and others have also claimed this for years.
The link is from 2007. Perhaps Soros has given them funds since then, but it's been a central piece of WingNut Mythology about Soros for years.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:12:54pm |
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Racer X Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:13:01pm |
re: #335 Obdicut
OT: During my brief career as a cater-waiter, Fabio spilled hollandaise sauce on my trousers.
Is that what they're calling it nowadays?
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:13:19pm |
re: #337 iceweasel
On a sidenote, isn't there anybody more interesting than Soros to argue about? He's so mid-90s
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Locker Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:14:42pm |
re: #340 windsagio
On a sidenote, isn't there anybody more interesting than Soros to argue about? He's so mid-90s
Yea lets fight over the best Epic Beard Man photoshop or something...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:15:17pm |
re: #340 windsagio
On a sidenote, isn't there anybody more interesting than Soros to argue about? He's so mid-90s
Unfortunately, we were sucked in, once again.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:15:30pm |
But I learned new things so there!
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Locker Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:15:38pm |
re: #341 Jimmah
Oh hell yea! Get your funk on foolios and fooliettes.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:15:45pm |
re: #342 Locker
haha heres something:
Best song ever written specifically for a video game:
Care to argue?
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avanti Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:15:46pm |
re: #330 Obdicut
Have you tried Avast? If that doesn't work, have you used HijackThis (only if you're comfy editing your registry.)
Tried Avast, McCaffre, NORTON, Widows Defender, Microsaoft Malware removal tool. It's one smart virus.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:15:46pm |
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:15:51pm |
re: #340 windsagio
On a sidenote, isn't there anybody more interesting than Soros to argue about? He's so mid-90s
Yeah, let's talk about Clinton's impeachment! //
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:16:02pm |
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:16:52pm |
re: #347 avanti
I'm sorry, dude. I do recommend using HijackThis, if you're comfortable with registry editing.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:16:56pm |
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:17:16pm |
re: #344 Stanley Sea
oh no criticism implied >> It just seemed nicer to phrase it that way than "Why are you guys on the right so obsessed with that dude?"
and safer than
"Why do people conflate supporting all the policies of the State of Israel with not being an anti-semite?
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:17:19pm |
re: #349 iceweasel
Yeah, let's talk about Clinton's impeachment! //
Ok. The most innovative popular resistance to the impeachment was MoveOn, funded by ....never mind.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:17:22pm |
re: #349 iceweasel
Yeah, let's talk about Clinton's impeachment! //
WHITEWATER! And how Hilary escaped real scrutiny by losing the nomination.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:18:19pm |
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:18:24pm |
re: #340 windsagio
On a sidenote, isn't there anybody more interesting than Soros to argue about? He's so mid-90s
Too late. I just checked and I think it's due in part to a story by none other than the Daily Mail which is linked at Drudge. Apparently this is due in part to the financial crisis in Greece and it looks like the origin is from Greek PM George Papandreou.
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Racer X Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:18:25pm |
Friday Night Blue Collar Brew Review – Gray’s Oatmeal StoutThe first sip was a doozie. It was creamy and silky on the tongue and big slugs of dark roasted flavors abounded. Little twinges of molasses were left behind at the swallow and exhale. The beer was rich and robust and gave forth a very subtle sweetness. The stark bitterness that stouts usually contain is completely masked here. This is one smooth drinking beer.
As the brew warmed up a bit and the taste buds became accustomed to the visitor, the flavors all smoothed out to make for a nice dark, silk blanket on my tongue. The molasses toned down and more of bourbon barrel quality came slightly forward. No chocolate, no coffee, and sorry no hop flavors that I could taste, just that dark roasted molassey flavor with the slick doing down.
*drool*
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:18:32pm |
I sense another Dark Side presence, must be DF.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:18:43pm |
re: #337 iceweasel
Media Matters has gotten money from Democracy Alliance, to which Soros has donated money. That is as close as the connection gets, and the Democracy Alliance was formed after Media Matters.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:19:04pm |
re: #357 Gus 802
Thats some serious 'six degrees of Kevin Bacon' shit.
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Stonemason Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:19:13pm |
re: #323 avanti
O.T.
My wife just infected her computer with this baby. The latest from the Russians, it pops up and loads a official program that looks like a Microsoft program, logo's and the rest are a copy of the Microsoft look. It'll tell you your computer is infected, blocks you from the internet and tells you to buy the $50 program to get rid of it.At the same time, it loads a few 100 pop ups,
None of the virus programs I've tried can remove it, although one says it can if I down load it's program to a uninfected computer and load it on a thumb drive to run on the infected computer. Anyone have a solution ?
RealWest hooked me up a year or so ago with a program, I am trying to remember...shoot...the virus might be conficker which does what you say. Darn it, the program is on the laptop...
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Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:19:30pm |
re: #335 Obdicut
OT: During my brief career as a cater-waiter, Fabio spilled hollandaise sauce on my trousers.
Is that some kind of code?
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:19:34pm |
re: #361 windsagio
Thats some serious 'six degrees of Kevin Bacon' shit.
All roads lead to Drudge! OK, maybe they just start there.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:19:42pm |
re: #357 Gus 802
Too late. I just checked and I think it's due in part to a story by none other than the Daily Mail which is linked at Drudge. Apparently this is due in part to the financial crisis in Greece and it looks like the origin is from Greek PM George Papandreou.
Ultra Secret Stealth Bailout Planned By The Feds.
RON PAUL~!
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:19:53pm |
re: #140 darthstar
And I have a gorgeous wife!
Hey, life isn't all about skiing and work...close, but not all.
Of course not. Life is also about dogs.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:21:22pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:22:28pm |
re: #322 Jimmah
The problem is that he's delving into an area of nuance that I'm not comfortable with. I'm sure you could find an Indian guy working at a convenience store claiming to be partially responsible for the stereotype of Apu on the Simpsons. Pastor Manning claims that Obama helps reinforce the stereotype that black people are "uppity". I'm just not comfortable with these claims regardless of the race or religion of the messenger.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:22:39pm |
re: #364 Gus 802
All roads lead to Drudge! OK, maybe they just start there.
Heh. Follow the Yellow Brick Journalism Road.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:23:13pm |
re: #367 eclectic infidel
Script on it's way.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:23:19pm |
re: #335 Obdicut
OT: During my brief career as a cater-waiter, Fabio spilled hollandaise sauce on my trousers.
I had to go back to this. Seriously Obdi, this is a pretty funny read.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:24:35pm |
re: #369 iceweasel
Heh. Follow the Yellow
BrickJournalism Road.
American Thinker is on the case since yesterday with "George Soros, the Democrats, and the Little Guy."
SNIP
He is the top funder of such shadowy groups, and his billionaire political allies (Peter Lewis, Herb and Marion Sandler -- also big funders of the CAP -- round up the top five). Soros was an early and ardent supporter of Barack Obama -- even using a loophole in federal campaign loans to exceed normal limits on donations.
Yet, Soros has no compunction about bringing misery to millions of people -- the same people the Democrats tout they are helping. They have no problem accepting money and support from George Soros-they also have no compunction and are notable short in the morality department, too.
No link.
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Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:25:29pm |
Oh joy. My boss told me I was supposed to be here no later than 9, and now the guy running the call is saying its an all nighter. This just keeps getting better and better.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:26:25pm |
re: #373 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
say someone else has to help him, then 'transfer' him to 'oops I hung up'
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:27:27pm |
re: #234 MandyManners
Why would he post about anti-semitism if he's a denier? I don't understand.
Sometimes Google is not your friend.
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Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:28:20pm |
re: #374 windsagio
say someone else has to help him, then 'transfer' him to 'oops I hung up'
They already know my only options is to try and track someone down in Virginia at midnight on a saturday night, fricking bastards.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:28:34pm |
re: #368 Killgore Trout
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you feel Soros has said. Do you think that he contradicted himself? He has clearly stated that he does not in the least bit feel antisemitism is to be blamed on the Jews. He did say that some of the policies of Bush and Sharon have led to negative results which include antisemitism, and that he's against those policies. It does not imply that he is against those policies solely because he feels that they indirectly result in antisemitism, nor that that response is a fair or reasonable one.
To me, as a Jew, it's very hard not to feel that Soros is singled out for special attention because of his Jewishness; there are tons of big-money politics players. Why is Soros so often the one focused on? Why are his statements examined with a fine-tooth comb? And why do so often the attacks take the form of things like bringing up his survival in the Holocaust as a sign of his corruption? Neo-Nazis love to say things like "The only good Jews died in the Holocaust". It's a foul thing. I hate it.
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Locker Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:30:25pm |
Never saw this guy before tonight but his HBO One Night Stand was pretty funny. Not safe for work and some sensitive subjects but he kills me. Here are two from the episode:
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:32:21pm |
re: #380 Decatur Deb
And I'm out too, to have awesome pulled pork with my fiancee.
And yes, that's what the kids are calling it these days.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:32:22pm |
re: #305 Walter L. Newton
Mandy, you have my email address. If you want some insight to the decisions that people had to make during WWII, righteous people, email me and ask me to send you my award winning script "A Field of Buttercups." It deals with young children and the Warsaw Ghetto.
(P.S. And no, this is not a shameless self promotion, just trying to reach out to Mandy with some information that she might consider insightful to the subject of survival and the Holocaust. The script has been available free to Lizards for years).
Seconded.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:33:17pm |
My girl kitteh has her own page:
[Link: www.catster.com...]
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:33:18pm |
re: #368 Killgore Trout
The problem is that he's delving into an area of nuance that I'm not comfortable with. I'm sure you could find an Indian guy working at a convenience store claiming to be partially responsible for the stereotype of Apu on the Simpsons. Pastor Manning claims that Obama helps reinforce the stereotype that black people are "uppity". I'm just not comfortable with these claims regardless of the race or religion of the messenger.
Sorry KT but it strikes me odd that you feel this way about Soros considering that you have Christopher Hitchens in your avatar.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:33:32pm |
re: #314 MandyManners
His behavior during the Holocaust is not the focus. It's his behavior since then. I've provided two links to multiple stories. One is LGF. The other is the New York Observer.
BTW, I got the deleted link here at LGF some time ago.
When you decide to get a new avatar and stop pissing on the Name of God, maybe I'll take you seriously again.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:33:46pm |
re: #384 iceweasel
+ for rhyming.
Also posting, is more interesting than watching people go through the thread and negate each other.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:33:54pm |
re: #382 Obdicut
And I'm out too, to have awesome pulled pork with my fiancee.
And yes, that's what the kids are calling it these days.
No fair on preempting the litany of bad puns that were to follow!
/:)
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Aye Pod Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:34:14pm |
re: #368 Killgore Trout
The problem is that he's delving into an area of nuance that I'm not comfortable with. I'm sure you could find an Indian guy working at a convenience store claiming to be partially responsible for the stereotype of Apu on the Simpsons. Pastor Manning claims that Obama helps reinforce the stereotype that black people are "uppity". I'm just not comfortable with these claims regardless of the race or religion of the messenger.
I'm not interested in the fact that he is a Jew either, with regard to this. I'm just looking at what he said, and he clearly states he doesn't blame antisemitism on the Jews or even on Jewish policies. He makes the much more limited claim that policies can have some influence on the level of antisemitism. I don't see anything intrinsically shocking about that idea. I'm sure there are conservatives who think that 'weak' policies towards Israel's enemies would increase the amount of anti-semitism by emboldening them.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:34:27pm |
re: #387 Cato the Elder
When you decide to get a new avatar and stop pissing on the Name of God, maybe I'll take you seriously again.
Two avatar comments in a row! Weird.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:35:13pm |
re: #391 Gus 802
On that note until just now I always thought your avatar was a windmill.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:35:26pm |
re: #377 Obdicut
My reaction is because of similar statements I've seen in the past. The far left in this country blamed American foreign policy for 9-11. I understand the "nuance" behind their argument but I reject it. I have little doubt that successful and influential Jews feed antisemitic paranoia but what should they do? Be less successful? Should Israel ignore rockets, mortars and suicide bombers becuase they don't want to feed Islamic antisemitism by responding? I think I grasp the nuance Soros is grasping for but I reject it. I simply can't agree.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:35:36pm |
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:36:31pm |
re: #394 Varek Raith
also since I'm being random and killing time.
In Life in Hell, Groenig always spelled that word d'ohh!
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:37:12pm |
re: #395 windsagio
also since I'm being random and killing time.
In Life in Hell, Groenig always spelled that word d'ohh!
Huh, didn't know that.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:37:33pm |
re: #396 Varek Raith
I shouldn't say 'always' but rather 'the one time I saw it in there' :p Still!
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:37:36pm |
re: #386 Gus 802
Sorry KT but it strikes me odd that you feel this way about Soros considering that you have Christopher Hitchens in your avatar.
Sorry KT but it strikes me odd that you feel this way about Soros considering that you have Christopher Hitchens in your avatar.
You don't get the irony that his head is pasted on a mythical deity? BUmmer, I thought that was obvious. I have a copy of my old avitar of Hitch with a Pope hat. Would that be more obvious?
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:37:46pm |
re: #385 eclectic infidel
She's beautiful! Does she talk like a Siamese?
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:37:50pm |
re: #392 windsagio
On that note until just now I always thought your avatar was a windmill.
It's a P-51. Although, sometimes it seems like we're tilting at windmills. ;)
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:38:05pm |
re: #398 Killgore Trout
You don't get the irony that his head is pasted on a mythical deity? BUmmer, I thought that was obvious. I have a copy of my old avitar of Hitch with a Pope hat. Would that be more obvious?
Heh, I like your avatar.
XD
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:38:05pm |
re: #396 Varek Raith
Huh, didn't know that.
It's the only possible way to spell it. Anything else would be inconceivable.
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Locker Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:38:32pm |
re: #391 Gus 802
Two avatar comments in a row! Weird.
No one ever bitches about my avatar. NOT FAIR. I'm going to have to find something uniquely offensive.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:38:45pm |
re: #399 prairiefire
She's beautiful! Does she talk like a Siamese?
We are Siamese if you please.
We are Siamese if you don't please.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:39:00pm |
Are we concerned with the desecration of religious symbols around here all of a sudden?
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:39:06pm |
re: #404 Locker
I smell a contest!
The one with the worst but most subtle one wins!
(no making crap up)
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:39:36pm |
re: #404 Locker
No one ever bitches about my avatar. NOT FAIR. I'm going to have to find something uniquely offensive.
Actually, Hoops had a spell where he bitched about mine. He was certain I look better than that in real life.
LOL
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:40:02pm |
re: #398 Killgore Trout
You don't get the irony that his head is pasted on a mythical deity? BUmmer, I thought that was obvious. I have a copy of my old avitar of Hitch with a Pope hat. Would that be more obvious?
Ah, OK. Never mind then. Avatar notwithstanding it should be noted that Hitchens never holds back. I've always been troubled by the notion of monolithic ideologies.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:40:08pm |
re: #395 windsagio
also since I'm being random and killing time.
In Life in Hell, Groenig always spelled that word d'ohh!
Hey, another Life in Hell fan!
My nic is from that actually:
Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
Superironic now, of course, given that I met my own true love here. :) How all things doth conspire to mock me...
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:40:24pm |
re: #406 Killgore Trout
Are we concerned with the desecration of religious symbols around here all of a sudden?
I'm more concerned about the double standard that would ensue were I to replace my avatar with a toon pissing on the Cross.
:shrugs:
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:40:29pm |
re: #408 Cato the Elder
Actually, Hoops had a spell where he bitched about mine. He was certain I look better than that in real life.
LOL
I've seen you in real life. I can't tell the difference.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:40:43pm |
re: #410 iceweasel
That and Ernie Pook got me through highschool and College >>
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Locker Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:40:52pm |
re: #407 windsagio
I smell a contest!
The one with the worst but most subtle one wins!
(no making crap up)
Bla I lost already with "most subtle" as I'm about a subtle as a piano dropping on your head.
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:41:14pm |
re: #390 Jimmah
I'm not interested in the fact that he is a Jew either, with regard to this. I'm just looking at what he said, and he clearly states he doesn't blame antisemitism on the Jews or even on Jewish policies. He makes the much more limited claim that policies can have some influence on the level of antisemitism. I don't see anything intrinsically shocking about that idea. I'm sure there are conservatives who think that 'weak' policies towards Israel's enemies would increase the amount of anti-semitism by emboldening them.
People who already hate Jews use Israeli or US Mideast policy as an excuse for their anti-Semitism, but that is just out of convenience. Even if Israel changed its policies, other than jumping en masse into the sea (as Gandhi suggested) they would find some other excuse to hate Jews.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:41:15pm |
re: #359 Varek Raith
I sense another Dark Side presence, must be DF.
Yep, I'm here. Just reading through the thread.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:41:18pm |
re: #410 iceweasel
Hey, another Life in Hell fan!
My nic is from that actually:
Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.Superironic now, of course, given that I met my own true love here. :) How all things
dothdo conspire to mock me...
FTFY. Sorry.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:41:21pm |
re: #410 iceweasel
Hey, another Life in Hell fan!
My nic is from that actually:
Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.Superironic now, of course, given that I met my own true love here. :) How all things doth conspire to mock me...
So did I.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:41:28pm |
re: #404 Locker
No one ever bitches about my avatar. NOT FAIR. I'm going to have to find something uniquely offensive.
That's because they don't know it's the smiley face of doom!1111!!1
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:41:49pm |
re: #399 prairiefire
She's very chatty with me. Likes to know how my day went, where I was and if she's well rested in that moment, she'll tell me how her day went too.
Her name is Mila, pronounced "me-lah"
Of course, I am delighted that you find her beautiful. :)
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:41:50pm |
re: #415 Alouette
People who already hate Jews use Israeli or US Mideast policy as an excuse for their anti-Semitism, but that is just out of convenience. Even if Israel changed its policies, other than jumping en masse into the sea (as Gandhi suggested) they would find some other excuse to hate Jews.
Megaupding.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:42:56pm |
re: #400 Gus 802
It's a P-51. Although, sometimes it seems like we're tilting at windmills. ;)
Gotta love the P-51D. Fast, agile, and it packed a good punch. Had the war gone on a little longer, the P-51H would likely have proved even better.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:43:12pm |
re: #415 Alouette
The problem is that people then assume that dislike for Israeli or US policy in the Middle east makes you an anti-semite. That's pretty dumb. (I'm learning not to use retarded!)
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:43:14pm |
re: #417 Cato the Elder
FTFY. Sorry.
Heehee. I expected the Cato-bot to take me up on the use of 'superironic'. Glad you let me off easily this time. My subroutine's on the fritz.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:43:18pm |
re: #421 eclectic infidel
I used to have cats. I'm allergic to them, I'm afraid. Now I have children.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:43:45pm |
re: #421 eclectic infidel
She's very chatty with me. Likes to know how my day went, where I was and if she's well rested in that moment, she'll tell me how her day went too.
Her name is Mila, pronounced "me-lah"
Of course, I am delighted that you find her beautiful. :)
Is there a "Dogster" site too? Haku would rock the kasbah there.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:43:50pm |
re: #425 iceweasel
pff I'm waiting for my chance to get in a fight with him about 'ironic' anyways. A missed chance!
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:44:06pm |
re: #424 windsagio
The problem is that people then assume that dislike for Israeli or US policy in the Middle east makes you an anti-semite. That's pretty dumb. (I'm learning not to use retarded!)
Well, I'd say that dislike for Israel is different than disagreement with some policies!
But I take your point.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:44:29pm |
re: #425 iceweasel
Heehee. I expected the Cato-bot to take me up on the use of 'superironic'. Glad you let me off easily this time. My subroutine's on the fritz.
The real punishment comes offline. You know that.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:44:33pm |
re: #423 Dark_Falcon
Gotta love the P-51D. Fast, agile, and it packed a good punch. Had the war gone on a little longer, the P-51H would likely have proved even better.
Which of course went on to be used in aeronautical research including supersonic studies. The supersonic speeds dealing mostly with airflow speeds as opposed to actual airspeed.
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webevintage Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:44:34pm |
re: #323 avanti
O.T.
None of the virus programs I've tried can remove it, although one says it can if I down load it's program to a uninfected computer and load it on a thumb drive to run on the infected computer. Anyone have a solution ?
Not sure if this has been answered, but I had to take care of my son's computer yesterday.
First I did a system restore
then downloaded Malwarebytes Anti-Malware on firefox (IE would not let me) ran that in the fast scan
then downloaded CC Cleaner and ran that and the virus was gone
The time it happened to me I went to bleepingcomputer.com and followed the directions:
[Link: www.bleepingcomputer.com...]
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:44:38pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:44:43pm |
re: #415 Alouette
People who already hate Jews use Israeli or US Mideast policy as an excuse for their anti-Semitism, but that is just out of convenience. Even if Israel changed its policies, other than jumping en masse into the sea (as Gandhi suggested) they would find some other excuse to hate Jews.
Quite Concur.
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jaunte Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:44:57pm |
re: #424 windsagio
I'm pretty sure that claiming the Israel lobby is 'suppressing dissent' about Israeli policies is inaccurate.
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:45:18pm |
re: #424 windsagio
The problem is that people then assume that dislike for Israeli or US policy in the Middle east makes you an anti-semite. That's pretty dumb. (I'm learning not to use retarded!)
People who already have a tendency to anti-Semitism will be hyper-critical of everything Israel does, while making excuses for everything that the Arabs do.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:45:23pm |
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:45:51pm |
re: #428 windsagio
pff I'm waiting for my chance to get in a fight with him about 'ironic' anyways. A missed chance!
Bring it, Alanis.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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Locker Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:46:03pm |
re: #429 iceweasel
Well, I'd say that dislike for Israel is different than disagreement with some policies!
But I take your point.
My dislike for Israel is directly linked to it taking too many hot, Jewish girls out of North Jersey for the summer.
| 441 |
windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:46:19pm |
re: #436 Alouette
So are you saying that its a safe assumption that someone criticizing Israel's policies is anti-semitic?
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:46:42pm |
Syracuse STOMPED Villanova tonight ..... the Orange are going to be ranked #1 in the country when the new poll comes out tomorrow.
Woo hoo
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Locker Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:47:22pm |
re: #424 windsagio
The problem is that people then assume that dislike for Israeli or US policy in the Middle east makes you an anti-semite. That's pretty dumb. (I'm learning not to use retarded!)
You can work around it by pronouncing it "Ritard" instead "Reetard" ala Alan in The Hangover.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:47:50pm |
re: #406 Killgore Trout
Are we concerned with the desecration of religious symbols around here all of a sudden?
Not really, just the usual beef with rank hypocrisy.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:48:06pm |
re: #429 iceweasel
Well, I'd say that dislike for Israel is different than disagreement with some policies!
But I take your point.
And where have we heard some of this before? Did being against the war in Iraq make one anti-American or unpatriotic? My country right or wrong? We are now speaking of two democracies in which there is no single point of view on issues of foreign policy. While we have our own personal beliefs expecting others to share the same beliefs is tantamount to supporting totalitarianism and far from democracy.
| 446 |
windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:48:25pm |
re: #438 Cato the Elder
Heres the short version, lacking a better term for the "Alanis" (read:modern) meaning of the word, and given that languages naturally change, why should we stick to an obsolete dictionary definition?
Especially given how overly-conservative dictionaries tend to be.
| 447 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:48:26pm |
Funny how Mandy links to a Holocaust denial site and suddenly has to retire.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:49:05pm |
re: #446 windsagio
Heres the short version, lacking a better term for the "Alanis" (read:modern) meaning of the word, and given that languages naturally change, why should we stick to an obsolete dictionary definition?
Especially given how overly-conservative dictionaries tend to be.
Talk to me about the word "tragedy" some time, you popinjay.
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webevintage Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:49:19pm |
re: #442 _RememberTonyC
Syracuse STOMPED Villanova tonight ... the Orange are going to be ranked #1 in the country when the new poll comes out tomorrow.
Woo hoo
I am so very sad that Kentucky lost tonight, had they won they would be number #1.
*pout*
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:49:21pm |
re: #447 Cato the Elder
IF being popular on the blog is important to you, the smartest thing to do is often to bug out.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:49:27pm |
re: #431 Gus 802
Which of course went on to be used in aeronautical research including supersonic studies. The supersonic speeds dealing mostly with airflow speeds as opposed to actual airspeed.
I read an article recently that envisioned the P-51H meeting the Zero's replacement, the A7M Reppu (Allied codename 'Sam"). It would have been an interesting dogfight, as the A7M had the lions share of the Zero's maneuverability while being faster and better armored.
| 452 |
Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:49:34pm |
re: #441 windsagio
So are you saying that its a safe assumption that someone criticizing Israel's policies is anti-semitic?
I criticize some Israeli policies. Does that make me an anti-Semite?
Depends on which policies you criticize. If you criticize that very nasty policy they have about continuing to exist, then yes my friend, you might be an anti-Semite.
| 453 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:49:42pm |
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:50:14pm |
re: #449 webevintage
I am so very sad that Kentucky lost tonight, had they won they would be number #1.
*pout*
John Wall is IMPRESSIVE
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:50:22pm |
re: #450 windsagio
IF being popular on the blog is important to you, the smartest thing to do is often to bug out.
You have a point there.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:50:44pm |
re: #455 Walter L. Newton
Thats something neither you nor I seem to be able to learn :D
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:50:45pm |
re: #449 webevintage
I am so very sad that Kentucky lost tonight, had they won they would be number #1.
*pout*
They ran the derby today?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:50:53pm |
re: #409 Gus 802
Ah, OK. Never mind then. Avatar notwithstanding it should be noted that Hitchens never holds back. I've always been troubled by the notion of monolithic ideologies.
I regard Hitch as a lovable drunken douche. He's someone I can relate to but he haws his own issues.
| 460 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:51:31pm |
re: #411 Varek Raith
I'm more concerned about the double standard that would ensue were I to replace my avatar with a toon pissing on the Cross.
:shrugs:
Go for it. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
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webevintage Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:52:32pm |
re: #454 _RememberTonyC
John Wall is IMPRESSIVE
He is.
It is probably better that those guys are going into tournament time with a couple of losses under their belts.
| 462 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:52:37pm |
re: #457 windsagio
Thats something neither you nor I seem to be able to learn :D
Well, it keeps me from kicking the dog or some other crap like that. I rather stick around here and be a bitch than yell at my girlfriend or the step-critters... although I'm always nice to Maisey the Parrot.
| 463 |
windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:52:43pm |
re: #460 Killgore Trout
He's not worried about you, I'd imagine.
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cliffster Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:53:00pm |
Two weekend nights in a row, no bloodbath threads. Zowie
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:53:09pm |
re: #459 Killgore Trout
I regard Hitch as a lovable drunken douche. He's someone I can relate to but he haws his own issues.
Yeah. There's a video of him when he first hit the scene at a very young age. I had this fantasy of throwing a water balloon at him.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:53:18pm |
re: #462 Walter L. Newton
Oh random thing:
One of the birds at work died today.
I feel kind of bad, because I hated the damn thing, and now its gone.
| 467 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:53:19pm |
re: #445 Gus 802
And where have we heard some of this before? Did being against the war in Iraq make one anti-American or unpatriotic? My country right or wrong? We are now speaking of two democracies in which there is no single point of view on issues of foreign policy. While we have our own personal beliefs expecting others to share the same beliefs is tantamount to supporting totalitarianism and far from democracy.
Yeah. I still hear some of that 'unamerican', 'military-hating', etc crap directed at me -- even here.
Frankly, accusing another American of being a 'traitor', 'treasonous', or 'anti-american' because you don't like their political views is just about as unamerican as someone can get.*
*excepting those actually calling for civil war, secession, and the overthrow of the current admin by any means necessary, including military coup. Whyfore aren't the pundits and reps who called Dems 'traitors' calling out those folks?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:53:32pm |
re: #464 cliffster
Two weekend nights in a row, no bloodbath threads. Zowie
You wants I should starts.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:53:52pm |
re: #461 webevintage
He is.
It is probably better that those guys are going into tournament time with a couple of losses under their belts.
Kentucky will still probably be a number one seed in the tournament ..... that's what is most important
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:54:27pm |
re: #466 windsagio
Oh random thing:
One of the birds at work died today.
I feel kind of bad, because I hated the damn thing, and now its gone.
Ok... this is not meant in any way to be combative... but what the fuck are you talking about? What birds... at work? You work in a pet store... what?
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Stonemason Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:54:28pm |
re: #460 Killgore Trout
Go for it. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
and at #411 Varek...
There was quite the Hoopla when KT's was Hitchens as the Pope, but people got over it. I can't remember if KT ever did Hitchens as Muhammed...
Why worry about your avatar anyway, or his, or hers, or heck, even mine...should I remove it 'cause the Phils lost last year?
| 472 |
cliffster Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:54:39pm |
re: #468 Walter L. Newton
You wants I should starts.
1) I'm sure you could
2) You don't give a shit what I want/think
3) Please don't
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Aye Pod Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:54:42pm |
re: #406 Killgore Trout
Are we concerned with the desecration of religious symbols around here all of a sudden?
Mandy Manners has been trying to demand total respect for all things christian on the threads - for example, the other day she was outraged by someone typing 'goddamit' in a post. re: #460 Killgore Trout
Go for it. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
It would bother Mandy. Mention of the word "goddammit" is enough to launch her on a mini-crusade against anything remotely - and I do mean remotely - offensive to christians. It's that hypocrisy that has made her avatar such a topic of conversation lately.
| 474 |
windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:54:43pm |
re: #452 Alouette
I guess I was referring to a pattern all the time. Anybody who has seriously criticized some of their policies has had nasty insinuations about that been passed their way. Its a pretty common response, actually.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:55:25pm |
The New York Times newspaper is a fantastic and reliable resource! How's that?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:55:31pm |
re: #467 iceweasel
Yeah. I still hear some of that 'unamerican', 'military-hating', etc crap directed at me -- even here.
Frankly, accusing another American of being a 'traitor', 'treasonous', or 'anti-american' because you don't like their political views is just about as unamerican as someone can get.*
*excepting those actually calling for civil war, secession, and the overthrow of the current admin by any means necessary, including military coup. Whyfore aren't the pundits and reps who called Dems 'traitors' calling out those folks?
You ain't disloyal, ice. I don't agree with you politically, but you don't hate America.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:55:40pm |
re: #451 Dark_Falcon
I read an article recently that envisioned the P-51H meeting the Zero's replacement, the A7M Reppu (Allied codename 'Sam"). It would have been an interesting dogfight, as the A7M had the lions share of the Zero's maneuverability while being faster and better armored.
As said article also noted, the Japanese really didn't have very many pilots left by then, much less the highly trained and experienced pilots that could have taken advantage of the airframe.
I'd have rather seen a match up of Me-262 (excellent airframe, ok weapons & poor engine tech) against P-80 (excellent airframe but not quite as aerodynamically advanced, better weapons, much better engine tech). With the pilots available to both nations, those battles could have been epic.
William
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:55:44pm |
re: #470 Walter L. Newton
The residents are allowed to have pets, and one of them keeps birds.
These birds are awful and noisy and I usually despise them.
They got put in too cold a room over one night, and one of them died.
Now I feel guilty for being a hater.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:55:48pm |
re: #467 iceweasel
Yeah. I still hear some of that 'unamerican', 'military-hating', etc crap directed at me -- even here.
Frankly, accusing another American of being a 'traitor', 'treasonous', or 'anti-american' because you don't like their political views is just about as unamerican as someone can get.*
*excepting those actually calling for civil war, secession, and the overthrow of the current admin by any means necessary, including military coup. Whyfore aren't the pundits and reps who called Dems 'traitors' calling out those folks?
I suppose it all boils down to tribalism.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:55:55pm |
re: #460 Killgore Trout
Go for it. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
Nah, I'm only a militant, atheist ass on rare occasions. Almost never while I'm online.
:)
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Stonemason Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:56:04pm |
re: #470 Walter L. Newton
Ok... this is not meant in any way to be combative... but what the fuck are you talking about? What birds... at work? You work in a pet store... what?
I work in a water plant, we have a cat, she's currently on the chair behind me mewling to be scratched.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:56:44pm |
re: #476 Dark_Falcon
You ain't disloyal, ice. I don't agree with you politically, but you don't hate America.
Cheers, DF.
"I love my country, and I fear for it."
hee.
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jaunte Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:56:53pm |
re: #478 windsagio
Maybe you could find them a quiet replacement bird.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:57:06pm |
re: #479 Gus 802
Its more a way to put people on the defensive. If it works right, they have to spend all their time and effort combating the accusations instead of actually making their point.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:57:12pm |
re: #450 windsagio
IF being popular on the blog is important to you, the smartest thing to do is often to bug out.
You newbie. You silly-walking minister of laughability. You untried weapon. You boojums. You latecomer.
You should have been here when I was unpopular. I didn't care. I told people here that Sarah Palin was a beach-ball-headed sham when you could get 79 downdings for just critiquing her goddamn wardrobe.
Now tell me how much I care about popularity.
And by the way, I like you.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:57:51pm |
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:57:53pm |
re: #459 Killgore Trout
I regard Hitch as a lovable drunken douche. He's someone I can relate to but he haws his own issues.
But does he hee?
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:58:30pm |
re: #471 Stonemason
and at #411 Varek...
There was quite the Hoopla when KT's was Hitchens as the Pope, but people got over it. I can't remember if KT ever did Hitchens as Muhammed...
Why worry about your avatar anyway, or his, or hers, or heck, even mine...should I remove it 'cause the Phils lost last year?
Oh, I'm not worried about other peoples avatars. I'm just amused at the blatant hypocrisy of Mandy's.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:58:52pm |
re: #484 windsagio
Its more a way to put people on the defensive. If it works right, they have to spend all their time and effort combating the accusations instead of actually making their point.
Yep. It's about stifling dissent, honestly.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 8:58:53pm |
re: #478 windsagio
The residents are allowed to have pets, and one of them keeps birds.
These birds are awful and noisy and I usually despise them.
They got put in too cold a room over one night, and one of them died.
Now I feel guilty for being a hater.
Oh... now I understand. I love birds. Parrots are rather smart, and very social and personable. I've raised parrots for almost 20 years now. Had 4 during the last marriage, my scruffy Red-lored green Amazon Maisey went with me after the last divorce. I've had her about 15 years.
We have a really good relationship. She would sleep on my chest if I would let her. She in love with me... really. Parrots can bond in very creepy ways with their owners.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:00:37pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:00:59pm |
re: #477 wlewisiii
As said article also noted, the Japanese really didn't have very many pilots left by then, much less the highly trained and experienced pilots that could have taken advantage of the airframe.
I'd have rather seen a match up of Me-262 (excellent airframe, ok weapons & poor engine tech) against P-80 (excellent airframe but not quite as aerodynamically advanced, better weapons, much better engine tech). With the pilots available to both nations, those battles could have been epic.
William
That would indeed have been a good matchup. The Me-262 flown by pilots like Adolf Galland and Gunther Rall was a terror once it got up to speed, and it would have given the P-80 a run for its money.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:01:41pm |
re: #496 jaunte
What was the counting again?
...And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy." And the Lord did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu... [At this point, the friar is urged by Brother Maynard to "skip a bit, brother"]... And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." Amen.
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:02:06pm |
re: #474 windsagio
I guess I was referring to a pattern all the time. Anybody who has seriously criticized some of their policies has had nasty insinuations about that been passed their way. Its a pretty common response, actually.
Which specific policies are you referring to?
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:02:12pm |
oops, speaking of work...
Y'all have a good night!
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:02:26pm |
re: #473 Jimmah
It would bother Mandy. Mention of the word "goddammit" is enough to launch her on a mini-crusade against anything remotely - and I do mean remotely - offensive to christians. It's that hypocrisy that has made her avatar such a topic of conversation lately.
That's why she hates "goddamnedfrank". Her first post to him was "your nick pisses me off".
And yet, for fuck's sake, she has an avatar with a pirated cartoon character pissing on the Name of God.
Guess what, Mandy? When an (admittedly rare) Arabic-speaking Jew invokes god in the vernacular, he says "Allah".
Christ on a pogo stick am I sick of that shit.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:02:42pm |
re: #494 Varek Raith
*Tosses Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch at jaunte*
That must mean that he was hostile to Jimmah, because you use the Holy Hand Grenade of the Killer Rabbit.
/Jimmy Carter humor
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:02:45pm |
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:03:02pm |
re: #491 Walter L. Newton
I knew a guy in the mid 80's who had bought a parrot when he live in FL and then brought the bird back to the MidWest with him. He neglected the bird and it went mad, pulling all of its feathers out. Disgusting neglect, IMO.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:03:46pm |
re: #498 Alouette
but to lay a grenade, I have a problem with the settlement policy :p
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:04:27pm |
re: #500 Cato the Elder
That's why she hates "goddamnedfrank". Her first post to him was "your nick pisses me off".
And yet, for fuck's sake, she has an avatar with a pirated cartoon character pissing on the Name of God.
Guess what, Mandy? When an (admittedly rare) Arabic-speaking Jew invokes god in the vernacular, he says "Allah".
Christ on a pogo stick am I sick of that shit.
How many Arabic-speaking Jews do you know who say "Allah" when they refer to G-D?
I know a number of Jews from Arab countries, and when they refer to G-D they say "HaShem"
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:05:02pm |
re: #491 Walter L. Newton
Oh... now I understand. I love birds. Parrots are rather smart, and very social and personable. I've raised parrots for almost 20 years now. Had 4 during the last marriage, my scruffy Red-lored green Amazon Maisey went with me after the last divorce. I've had her about 15 years.
We have a really good relationship. She would sleep on my chest if I would let her. She in love with me... really. Parrots can bond in very creepy ways with their owners.
Enough about creepy. Your bird is the coolest. And Haku was fascinated.
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:05:22pm |
re: #504 windsagio
but to lay a grenade, I have a problem with the settlement policy :p
Which settlement policy in particular do you have a problem with?
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cliffster Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:06:11pm |
Something's wrong with one of my dogs. I can hear gastric noises across the house. She won't touch her food, and she wants to go outside every ten minutes. I think she might have eaten a stapler. Or the neighbor's dog.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:06:12pm |
I'm fixing to head to bed in a few minutes. For those who requested a copy of "A Field of Buttercups," thanks... it was one of the hardest things for me to ever write... as many of you know, I had to go all the way to Poland to connect with some of the story.
For us will never come close to the horror that was the Holocaust, it is very hard to know what was in the minds of those who were there. That's what I went to Poland for, to try to understand better, not perfectly, just better.
And if you didn't request a copy, think about it... it's a story that we all need to consider... over and over... from the prolog...
Korczak: Reminiscences make a sad, depressing drama. Artist, scholars, politicians and great leaders of men; all of them start out with ambitious plans, resolute actions, aggressive bold moves. They climb higher and higher, stage by stage toward their objective.
Then comes fatigue, still moving but with diminished zeal and they find that the only thing they had achieved is more graying hair. And then the young come along, strong of race, convinced in ideals, all of the details worked out. And everything around you tells you that your sun has set. Reformers come to a bad end. Such is the order of life.
I was the son of a madman. An assimilated Jew, a Pole first. By 1900 I had become a well-known writer, writing under the name of Janusz Korczak. I also had a rising medical career, climbing higher and higher among the elite of Warsaw. But I gave all of that up to open an orphanage in 1912. The road I had chosen toward my goal was neither the shortest nor the most convenient. But it was best for me-because it was my own. The results were mine alone.
Will I be harshly judged for what I did? I can no longer speak for myself.
Ashes are silent.
---
Peace.
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cliffster Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:10:03pm |
re: #491 Walter L. Newton
Parrots live like 110 years. I don't know if that makes them more or less likable, but it does put them in the living room, listening to our grandkids tell their kids what jackasses we were.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:11:04pm |
re: #505 Alouette
How many Arabic-speaking Jews do you know who say "Allah" when they refer to G-D?
I know a number of Jews from Arab countries, and when they refer to G-D they say "HaShem"
I confess my ignorance and stand corrected. I do know that any Arabic-speaking Christian says "Allah" for "God".
And my point stands in the sense that the Arabic "Allah" precedes Islam and means simply "God". Like "El" or "Elohim" in Hebrew. Any simpleton can see the relationship.
So with her stinking stolen Calvin avatar pissing on the Name of God, Mandy stands convicted of being 1) a bigot 2) an ignorant fool and 3) stubborn beyond all asses who ever brayed.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:12:55pm |
re: #507 Alouette
Which settlement policy in particular do you have a problem with?
Can't speak for windsagio, but I have Israeli friends who had a big problem with the (former) ones in Gaza and still do with the West Bank ones. They aren't anti-Israel, obviously.
Me, I'm proIsrael and I just go by what my Israeli friends tell me. I reckon they know a helluva lot more than me.
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:13:58pm |
re: #513 iceweasel
Can't speak for windsagio, but I have Israeli friends who had a big problem with the (former) ones in Gaza and still do with the West Bank ones. They aren't anti-Israel, obviously.
Me, I'm proIsrael and I just go by what my Israeli friends tell me. I reckon they know a helluva lot more than me.
How did evacuating all the settlements from Gaza improve the situation?
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:14:10pm |
re: #513 iceweasel
BTW, Alouette, I'm sure you also know more than me about it as well.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:14:24pm |
re: #495 Dark_Falcon
That would indeed have been a good matchup. The Me-262 flown by pilots like Adolf Galland and Gunther Rall was a terror once it got up to speed, and it would have given the P-80 a run for its money.
I would take the P-80. Higher service ceiling, slightly faster, better rate of climb. Plus it would be on our side. ;)
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:14:25pm |
re: #513 iceweasel
But, dear, you really ought to go see for yourself. I volunteer as guide. Been there twice and would live there if they gave citizenship to Romans.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:14:54pm |
re: #514 Alouette
How did evacuating all the settlements from Gaza improve the situation?
You asked, I answered in good faith.
You'll have to look elsewhere for your fight, I guess.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:15:01pm |
re: #514 Alouette
How did evacuating all the settlements from Gaza improve the situation?
Well, it improved things for Hamas' operations. Case in point, those beautiful greenhouses filled to the brim with edible greens transformed into weapon smuggling tunnels.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:15:23pm |
re: #517 Cato the Elder
But, dear, you really ought to go see for yourself. I volunteer as guide. Been there twice and would live there if they gave citizenship to Romans.
I'd love to. Definitely on my list and Jimmah's. :)
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:16:22pm |
re: #505 Alouette
How many Arabic-speaking Jews do you know who say "Allah" when they refer to G-D?
I know a number of Jews from Arab countries, and when they refer to G-D they say "HaShem"
Okay, here would be a good time for to try and move past your own frame of reference! Millions of Arab Christians pray to " الله ". Yes, yes they do.
re: #500 Cato the Elder
That's why she hates "goddamnedfrank". Her first post to him was "your nick pisses me off".
To be fair, I don't think she "hates" me, at least I hope not. She has up-dinged me in the past, but usually only when I'm being extra awesome and hilarious.
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Aye Pod Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:16:35pm |
re: #512 Cato the Elder
I confess my ignorance and stand corrected. I do know that any Arabic-speaking Christian says "Allah" for "God".
And my point stands in the sense that the Arabic "Allah" precedes Islam and means simply "God". Like "El" or "Elohim" in Hebrew. Any simpleton can see the relationship.
So with her stinking stolen Calvin avatar pissing on the Name of God, Mandy stands convicted of being 1) a bigot 2) an ignorant fool and 3) stubborn beyond all asses who ever brayed.
I get the feeling that if Jesus himself were to come down and tick mandy off about her avatar she would probably respond with "GAZE" or "rolls eyes".
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:17:13pm |
re: #515 iceweasel
BTW, Alouette, I'm sure you also know more than me about it as well.
One this you have to realize, is that Israelis criticize Israeli policy all the time. Read the Israeli media like YNet, Haaretz and Jerusalem Post. Haaretz is very left-wing and pro-Palestinian, YNet and JPost are more middle of the road. Arutz Sheva used to represent the conservative viewpoint, but they have gone batshit wingnutty, featuring Pamela as an editorialist.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:17:57pm |
re: #519 eclectic infidel
Well, it improved things for Hamas' operations. Case in point, those beautiful greenhouses filled to the brim with edible greens transformed into weapon smuggling tunnels.
That's Hamas precisely. They don't want the people to feed themselves, they'd rather depend on outside aid so they can control distribution. And they subordinate everything to their war with Israel, with that war further justifying their control. Withdrawing from the West Bank would just make them hungrier for blood.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:18:10pm |
re: #516 Gus 802
I would take the P-80. Higher service ceiling, slightly faster, better rate of climb. Plus it would be on our side. ;)
I agree and here's a thought - Yeager & Hoover & a whole lot of other high caliber pilots were out there ;)
William
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:18:42pm |
re: #520 iceweasel
I'd love to. Definitely on my list and Jimmah's. :)
Well then. Consider me your cicerone, as it were. I know people from Golan to S'fad and from Tiberius to the Dead Sea.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:18:56pm |
re: #523 Alouette
One this you have to realize, is that Israelis criticize Israeli policy all the time. Read the Israeli media like YNet, Haaretz and Jerusalem Post. Haaretz is very left-wing and pro-Palestinian, YNet and JPost are more middle of the road. Arutz Sheva used to represent the conservative viewpoint, but they have gone batshit wingnutty, featuring Pamela as an editorialist.
They actually publish the Shrieking Harpy's screeds?
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:19:11pm |
I really don't get one religious person dissing another person's religion...
As an atheist, it's all the same magic and fairy dust. I know this line of thought can be offensive but, it's what I feel.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:19:13pm |
re: #523 Alouette
One this you have to realize, is that Israelis criticize Israeli policy all the time.
Which is one reason why it's bad faith to charge that any criticism of Israeli policy means one is ant-Israel.
Not that you do that, as far as I've ever seen-- but some folks do.
Sorry to hear that about Pammy. Ugh.
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Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:20:07pm |
Are we still allowed to reference Buddy Christ or Raptor Jesus?
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:20:36pm |
re: #523 Alouette
Arutz Sheva used to represent the conservative viewpoint, but they have gone batshit wingnutty, featuring Pamela as an editorialist.
Oy vey! Really? God have mercy.
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:20:44pm |
re: #517 Cato the Elder
But, dear, you really ought to go see for yourself. I volunteer as guide. Been there twice and would live there if they gave citizenship to Romans.
I have lived there and my daughter lives there and my son served in the IDF.
So, nyah, nyah, nyah!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:21:08pm |
re: #525 wlewisiii
I agree and here's a thought - Yeager & Hoover & a whole lot of other high caliber pilots were out there ;)
William
True. And even had such a match occurred, it would not have been at 1-1 odds. The P-80s would have outnumbered the 262s considerably. US aircraft production far exceeded Germany's.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:21:22pm |
re: #524 Dark_Falcon
It has been suggested in the circles in which I move that Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank would result in vicious bloodshed of Fatah by Hamas forces that would fill the void overnight. And of course, the WB would then serve as yet another platform for attacks on Israel.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:21:47pm |
Ok done with my shower, so I have a minute for a post;
It was a mistake to let you personalize it Alouette. Further it was a mistake to pull an example out of my ass, altho' ice covered it pretty well.
I'll leave you with 2 specific examples from LGF (sorry to call people out by names but I need to show it really happened).
A week or so ago, darthstar said something negative about Israel (I don't remember what it was now, but nothing crazy certainly) People took the argument in extremely hostile terms and some (I remember Mandy specifically) clearly implied he was anti-semitic.
I had a similar experience before that, over Israel's policy of preemptive strikes. Again, people were pretty fast and loose with the insinuations (before it decayed into a bizarre argument about whether or not they had ever participated in such strikes).
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:22:12pm |
re: #534 eclectic infidel
It has been suggested in the circles in which I move that Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank would result in vicious bloodshed of Fatah by Hamas forces that would fill the void overnight. And of course, the WB would then serve as yet another platform for attacks on Israel.
And I agree with that assessment.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:22:14pm |
re: #525 wlewisiii
I agree and here's a thought - Yeager & Hoover & a whole lot of other high caliber pilots were out there ;)
William
The things Hoover could do with a Shrike Commander. Those are some videos to watch. What an amazing pilot.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:22:31pm |
re: #528 Varek Raith
I really don't get one religious person dissing another person's religion...
As an atheist, it's all the same magic and fairy dust. I know this line of thought can be offensive but, it's what I feel.
It's offensive. It was also the first thing I noticed on LGF when reading comments. Not a positive introduction in my mind. Obviously didn't stop me from joining in.
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:22:39pm |
re: #531 Cato the Elder
Oy vey! Really? God have mercy.
I have stopped reading Arutz Sheva (Israel National News) for that reason.
I don't always agree with YNet or Jerusalem Post, and I almost never agree with anything in Haaretz, but they are better news sources than A7. Well, Haaretz is more like "The Guardian" in Hebrew.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:23:03pm |
re: #528 Varek Raith
I really don't get one religious person dissing another person's religion...
As an atheist, it's all the same magic and fairy dust. I know this line of thought can be offensive but, it's what I feel.
I'm also puzzled by why atheism is also perceived as a threat. Why is it a big deal if someone doesn't share your belief? If you believe in God, don't you believe that he's kinda too big to be threatened by that?
Which reminds me to search for wingnutty reaction to the WH meeting with teh godless. I bet there's a lot of froth out there to be found...
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:24:17pm |
re: #540 iceweasel
I have a problem with the way Atheists tend to present themselves on the net. Its not their beliefs, but the fact that so many of them project this sense of exceptionalism.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:24:30pm |
re: #532 Alouette
I have lived there and my daughter lives there and my son served in the IDF.
So, nyah, nyah, nyah!
Well, then, join the party. You, me, Ice, and Jimmah. We could even hit Eilat and go skinny-dipping.
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jaunte Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:24:38pm |
re: #540 iceweasel
If you believe in God, don't you believe that he's kinda too big to be threatened by that?
This should cover most forms of disrespectful speech, too.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:25:00pm |
re: #538 Stanley Sea
It's offensive. It was also the first thing I noticed on LGF when reading comments. Not a positive introduction in my mind. Obviously didn't stop me from joining in.
Shit Varek - nothing you said is offensive - Mandy's avatar is offensive.
Sorry for any confusion.
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:25:02pm |
Good evening, all!
I think we learned some important things today. Models depend on data to refine the models. Tsunami prediction will advance by leaps and bounds because of the Chile earthquake. We also learned that the magnitude of a quake does not necessarily relate to damage or death. A strike slip fault (Haiti), even if only a seven, can inflict much more damage than an 8.8 thrust fault quake (Chile). We should have known this, because the 9.0 Indonesian quake killed almost no one with the actual quake affects, yet killed over 200,000 people because of the water that it moved.
The science of earthquakes is pretty well understood. The ability of science to predict the results of quakes on water movement is still young. Thre are just not that many quakes that produce tsunamis.
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:25:17pm |
re: #541 windsagio
I have a problem with the way Atheists tend to present themselves on the net. Its not their beliefs, but the fact that so many of them project this sense of exceptionalism.
You mean, like they're the chosen people or something?
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:25:44pm |
re: #544 Stanley Sea
Shit Varek - nothing you said is offensive - Mandy's avatar is offensive.
Sorry for any confusion.
No problem. I got your meaning. :)
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:26:07pm |
re: #542 Cato the Elder
Well, then, join the party. You, me, Ice, and Jimmah. We could even hit Eilat and go skinny-dipping.
Zedushka is not into skinny-dipping. And neither am I. But you can go and enjoy yourselves.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:26:14pm |
re: #535 windsagio
Ok done with my shower, so I have a minute for a post;
It was a mistake to let you personalize it Alouette. Further it was a mistake to pull an example out of my ass, altho' ice covered it pretty well.
I'll leave you with 2 specific examples from LGF (sorry to call people out by names but I need to show it really happened).
A week or so ago, darthstar said something negative about Israel (I don't remember what it was now, but nothing crazy certainly) People took the argument in extremely hostile terms and some (I remember Mandy specifically) clearly implied he was anti-semitic.
I had a similar experience before that, over Israel's policy of preemptive strikes. Again, people were pretty fast and loose with the insinuations (before it decayed into a bizarre argument about whether or not they had ever participated in such strikes).
I remember it differently. Something about invincible ignorance and people saying opinions are as good as facts.
But I could be wrong.
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jotalot Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:26:40pm |
Exceptionalsim....I thought this was a requirement for any organization with rules.
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Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:28:01pm |
After an hour of bitching and saying nothing works, some dipshit decided to prove his point by going straight down the checklist to prove my scans were messed up. He was going fine until he reached a step and we stopped him,
"Wait, did you copy the new patch over like it says?"
"No, we copied it over before, its still on here, its what we've been running."
"You do realize the patch has been updated in the last week right?"
"..."
"Copy the new one."
"OK, but its still wont work, your scanner is messed up."
5 minutes later
"Hey, it worked with the new patch."
"..."
Fucking assholes.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:28:14pm |
re: #545 austin_blue
Good evening, all!
I think we learned some important things today. Models depend on data to refine the models. Tsunami prediction will advance by leaps and bounds because of the Chile earthquake. We also learned that the magnitude of a quake does not necessarily relate to damage or death. A strike slip fault (Haiti), even if only a seven, can inflict much more damage than an 8.8 thrust fault quake (Chile). We should have known this, because the 9.0 Indonesian quake killed almost no one with the actual quake affects, yet killed over 200,000 people because of the water that it moved.
The science of earthquakes is pretty well understood. The ability of science to predict the results of quakes on water movement is still young. Thre are just not that many quakes that produce tsunamis.
Chile was also helped by its much better economic condition. Chile was able to have many buildings in affected areas made resistant to quakes, thus preventing collapses and greatly lowering the death toll.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:28:18pm |
Windsagio - what about the poor bird?
(sad story)
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:28:18pm |
re: #550 jotalot
Now you made me spew good wine, funny man!
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windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:28:24pm |
re: #546 Alouette
hahaa zing! I liked that :)
re: #549 Cato the Elder
I tried to look it up, but its a huge pain in the ass so I gave up. Its natural that we remember it differently because we were arguing there. I assure you I was right.
re: #550 jotalot
Nah it just needs some form of self-identification.
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:28:48pm |
re: #541 windsagio
I have a problem with the way Atheists tend to present themselves on the net. Its not their beliefs, but the fact that so many of them project this sense of exceptionalism.
Of course, Christians don't ever do that.
;-)
(I'm a Deist so I don't have a dog in this hunt. Just sayin'.)
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:28:50pm |
re: #543 jaunte
This should cover most forms of disrespectful speech, too.
of course. In the public square, and in a democracy.
Forums and blogs are different though, just like, say, the rules in your office, or at your dinner party, or in a newspaper's opeds or letters to the editor.
| 558 |
windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:29:04pm |
re: #553 Stanley Sea
We took it to the river and gave it a very cool burial at sea.
I came in to work just to take part >
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jotalot Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:29:41pm |
re: #554 Cato the Elder
Now you made me spew good wine, funny man!
Gender Assumption is (ahem) akin to exceptionalism
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:30:07pm |
re: #558 windsagio
We took it to the river and gave it a very cool burial at sea.
I came in to work just to take part >
Good ending.
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:30:08pm |
re: #541 windsagio
I have a problem with the way Atheists tend to present themselves on the net. Its not their beliefs, but the fact that so many of them project this sense of exceptionalism.
You've never seen a Christian act like that?
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:30:45pm |
re: #541 windsagio
I have a problem with the way
Atheists______ (fill in the blank) tend to present themselves on the net. Its not their beliefs, but the fact that so many of them project this sense of exceptionalism.
FTFY
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:30:53pm |
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keloyd Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:31:35pm |
This half a flame war is why I don't come around as often. Poor Charles has tried to make this a more grown-up place than most blogs, but I think he has just bred the world's tallest midget.
1. Soros is vile - even if the antisemites hate him too. His fortune comes largely from swindles. He has been convicted of insider trading in France, and his behavior with currency speculation in the early 90s (the first time I became aware of him) caused a great deal of suffering and economic chaos. If your mind works a certain way, that's a small price to pay for your own 30 pieces of silver.
2. Most people on this blog are way too oversensitive to dog whistles. If you think Chris Matthews is an antisemite because he respects and likes Pat Buchanan who once met with some shady characters in Europe and has some distasteful quotes that are 20 years old - you're listening too closely for dog whistles, imho.
2.1 Look into miscegenation and land laws in Palestine and Israel. Palestine is substantially worse, but Israel has legal obstacles for non-Jews that are pretty distasteful by Western standards too. If Belgium is wrong, call them out. If Soros or the state of Israel is wrong, call them out. They're not any better or worse than the rest of us.
3. Cato The Elder, if that is your real name - Orthodox Christian of Palestine and Iraq, one of whom I have met, use the word "Allah" to refer to the Almighty. IIRC, the book of Job is unique, likely due to its oldest roots, using the term "Eloha Elohim" that we translate to "The Lord God", so there's an etymological double whammy, iirc.
-sorry about the length, upding to anyone who's read this far.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:31:51pm |
re: #549 Cato the ElderI tried to look it up, but its a huge pain in the ass so I gave up. Its natural that we remember it differently because we were arguing there. I assure you I was right.
Self-assurance is only a virtue if you have something to back it up with.
That thread was a perfect example of how Palestinian disinformation has warped the consciousness of the most well-meaning of American liberals.
In other words, you weren't right, and you don't know shit.
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:32:35pm |
re: #552 Dark_Falcon
Chile was also helped by its much better economic condition. Chile was able to have many buildings in affected areas made resistant to quakes, thus preventing collapses and greatly lowering the death toll.
Even Pinochet made a big deal about earthquake proof building designs.
| 570 |
windsagio Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:33:22pm |
re: #564 Conservative Moonbat
Already covered it.
Also, Tu Quoque.
re: #568 Cato the Elder
Also also, good rationalism and sense of humor there! I should have known better than to mention the subject with you around.
Also also also, I shouldn't have let myself be dragged in again, now I'm freakin' late.
Peaces!
| 572 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:33:36pm |
re: #567 keloyd
#2, is that a stealth attempt at defending Pat Buchanan?
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:34:01pm |
re: #567 keloyd
3. Cato The Elder, if that is your real name...
Well now that's the funniest thing I've heard all week.
| 574 |
Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:34:04pm |
I have to get up early tomorrow, but I don't feel sleepy.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:35:24pm |
re: #573 Cato the Elder
Well now that's the funniest thing I've heard all week.
So, you're not 2,244 years old???
| 578 |
Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:35:25pm |
re: #567 keloyd
2. Most people on this blog are way too oversensitive to dog whistles. If you think Chris Matthews is an antisemite because he respects and likes Pat Buchanan who once met with some shady characters in Europe and has some distasteful quotes that are 20 years old - you're listening too closely for dog whistles, imho.
It is not a "dog whistle" to say that Pat Buchanan is a Jew-hating douchenozzle. And he has said some very ugly Jew-hating things that are far more recent than 20 years ago.
| 579 |
austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:37:00pm |
re: #552 Dark_Falcon
Chile was also helped by its much better economic condition. Chile was able to have many buildings in affected areas made resistant to quakes, thus preventing collapses and greatly lowering the death toll.
No. Not really. If you looked at the pictures from Port-au-Prince, there was rebar hanging out of the vast majority of the large buildings in the City that had collapsed. You need to understand this. The Haiti quake was strike-slip and had lateral accelerations >10 feet/second. The Chile quake was a thrust fault quake and had lateral accelerations considerably below that. Haiti jerked sideways, Chile jumped up and down.
Big difference.
| 580 |
The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:37:24pm |
Suggestion: Name a band lineup of musicians, past or present, that you'd like to hear Charles play in. Like so:
Peter Erskine, drums
Nathan East, bass
Joe Zawinul (RIP), keyboards
Larry Coryell, guitar
Charles, guitar
Bryan Ferry, vocals
I've got no idea what if any chemistry that crew would have, but it'd be intriguing to hear.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:38:18pm |
re: #578 Alouette
It is not a "dog whistle" to say that Pat Buchanan is a Jew-hating douchenozzle. And he has said some very ugly Jew-hating things that are far more recent than 20 years ago.
I think it keloyd that's blowing the whistle again.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:39:13pm |
re: #581 Gus 802
I think it keloyd that's blowing the whistle again.
W.T.F. Though, thanks for giving me the opportunity to down ding that, Gus.
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:40:04pm |
re: #574 Alouette
I have to get up early tomorrow, but I don't feel sleepy.
You'll feel plenty sleepy when 6:50 rolls around, if you don't turn in!
/ groggy voice of experience
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:40:28pm |
re: #581 Gus 802
Ohhh, and he/she's saying Soros is vile.
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:40:34pm |
re: #579 austin_blue
No. Not really. If you looked at the pictures from Port-au-Prince, there was rebar hanging out of the vast majority of the large buildings in the City that had collapsed. You need to understand this. The Haiti quake was strike-slip and had lateral accelerations >10 feet/second. The Chile quake was a thrust fault quake and had lateral accelerations considerably below that. Haiti jerked sideways, Chile jumped up and down.
Big difference.
It's a combination of both factors. Chile has invested a lot more into earthquake proofing their buildings because they know they are in a zone prone to them and they have had the financial resources to do so.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:40:36pm |
re: #569 Conservative Moonbat
Even Pinochet made a big deal about earthquake proof building designs.
Pinochet was a nasty customer, but he wanted economic growth, and that meant protecting buildings against earthquakes.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:41:25pm |
You know what would be cool? A few bloggers do this one day a week-- if CJ posted just a ten song random lineup of what's next on his iPod. (assuming he has one).
It could be a little list under the Saturday night music video or something. Or whatever day's music vid one day a week. Could be fun-- I always find new music here and sometimes it'd be nice to see more of it. Makes for fun threads, too.
| 588 |
Aye Pod Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:41:41pm |
re: #582 Varek Raith
W.T.F. Though, thanks for giving me the opportunity to down ding that, Gus.
I second that.
| 589 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:41:43pm |
re: #572 Varek Raith
#2, is that a stealth attempt at defending Pat Buchanan?
Well, after reading his past comments, I'd say this is a 'yes'.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:41:49pm |
re: #582 Varek Raith
W.T.F. Though, thanks for giving me the opportunity to down ding that, Gus.
I had a vague memory of that post from last week. Him bringing up Pat Buchanan again reminded me of it.
| 591 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:42:16pm |
re: #589 Varek Raith
Well, after reading his past comments, I'd say this is a 'yes'.
I would like to confirm your affirmation.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:42:34pm |
re: #581 Gus 802
I think it keloyd that's blowing the whistle again.
Thanks for posting that. I almost updinged his #567 without understanding the context of where he's coming from. The rapidly changing political climate is difficult to keep track of.
| 593 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:42:52pm |
re: #581 Gus 802
I think it keloyd that's blowing the whistle again.
Geeze Louise that's bad. That's almost certainly this months winner of the AnneFrance award, given monthly to the most that garnered the most downdings.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:43:09pm |
re: #591 Gus 802
I would like to confirm your affirmation.
I would like to third Jimmah's 'seconded'.
| 595 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:43:36pm |
re: #593 Dark_Falcon
I can't believe the little fucker still has an account here.
| 596 |
Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:44:38pm |
Ahh. That's why the nick "keyloyd" seemed so familiar. I remember that post well. Blech.
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:45:05pm |
re: #585 Conservative Moonbat
It's a combination of both factors. Chile has invested a lot more into earthquake proofing their buildings because they know they are in a zone prone to them and they have had the financial resources to do so.
What I am saying is that given the facts of the Haiti earthquake, it wouldn't have mattered. Shallow focus, huge lateral movements, it was like Northridge but more intense. As much as we have invested in SoCal, that level of horizontal movement would have devastated LA.
| 598 |
Sheila Broflovski Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:45:27pm |
I have to get up tomorrow morning to attend the Megillah reading, so, good night meine kleine lizardlach.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:46:11pm |
re: #592 Killgore Trout
Thanks for posting that. I almost updinged his #567 without understanding the context of where he's coming from. The rapidly changing political climate is difficult to keep track of.
Yeah, that previous post and the number 2 from above was the dead giveaway:
Most people on this blog are way too oversensitive to dog whistles. If you think Chris Matthews is an antisemite because he respects and likes Pat Buchanan who once met with some shady characters in Europe and has some distasteful quotes that are 20 years old - you're listening too closely for dog whistles, imho.
IOW, we're listening too closely for dog whistles and there a few distasteful quotes quotes from 20 years ago. Guess he thinks we should look the other way when it comes to Buchanan.
| 601 |
The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:47:19pm |
re: #127 mich-again
There ought to be a law against no talent ass clown WASPs covering Motown tunes.
How 'bout this, then?
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:48:05pm |
re: #599 Gus 802
IOW, we're listening too closely for dog whistles and there a few distasteful quotes quotes from 20 years ago. Guess he thinks we should look the other way when it comes to Buchanan.
Yeah, when I see that kind of complaint I almost always read a not-so-hidden complaint about what CJ is posting. Why can't we have more threads about the evil Soros, Charles? Why not more threads on ACORN? the tea partiers are a populist movement!
Etc.
| 604 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:48:06pm |
re: #595 Killgore Trout
I can't believe the little fucker still has an account here.
Normally he's smarter than that. But that post was worthy of Hot Air. Not even the Stalker Blog, since even Rodan knows that Pukecannon is a piece of shit (and for someone to be too crazy for the Stalkers is really saying something).
| 605 |
austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:48:15pm |
re: #594 iceweasel
I would like to third Jimmah's 'seconded'.
Fourth!
(Oh, wait, will that get me deleted?)
| 606 |
Stonemason Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:48:15pm |
re: #579 austin_blue
upding for the geology lesson
| 607 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:48:22pm |
Ok, time for me to invoke the Iron Fist rule and log off. However I would like to clarify that I think I understand the nuance of George Soros, Jimmy Carter, Robert Fisk and Ward Churchill just fine. I simply disagree and regard them as contemptible douchbags. I don't care how much the political landscape changes. I don't think my conclusion is going to change.
| 608 |
Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:48:45pm |
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:49:27pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:49:40pm |
re: #598 Alouette
I have to get up tomorrow morning to attend the Megillah reading, so, good night meine kleine lizardlach.
I read that, for the Purim holiday, the Jews dress up in costumes. And for some reason, the hot costume this year is a Mossad agent... ;%P%
| 613 |
jotalot Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:49:41pm |
Who needs a whistle of any kind to sort out Pat Buchanan? Bullhorns are obnoxious by design and his blows extra loud.
| 614 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:49:46pm |
re: #608 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Yeah, like thats gonna happen.
Yeah, just my not-so-subtle way of picking a fight.
;)
| 615 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:50:17pm |
re: #592 Killgore Trout
Thanks for posting that. I almost updinged his #567 without understanding the context of where he's coming from. The rapidly changing political climate is difficult to keep track of.
Keloyd has a point, if you are one of those who wish Vatican II had never happened, and if you excuse those who so wish by saying they're just sticking to their rusty old dogmatically outdated guns.
Hell, I love the Latin mass and I get to go to one anytime I like thanks to Baltimore's diverse Catholic life. I can also attend an Eastern Rite Catholic service in Ukrainian.
But to put on the gloves for a Patrick Buchanan takes a special kind of troglodyte. My cave is my casa, but it's not made of shit.
| 616 |
austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:50:42pm |
| 617 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:50:49pm |
re: #602 Varek Raith
keloyd, care to engage us in debate?
Agreed. Keloyd, do come up and talk. I promise that I will see to it that you are treated fairly.
| 618 |
Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:52:31pm |
| 619 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:52:49pm |
re: #614 Varek Raith
Clarification: By fight, I mean a decent argument. I like arguing.
;)
| 620 |
austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:52:53pm |
re: #617 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. Keloyd, do come up and talk. I promise that I will see to it that you are treated fairly.
Ooh! Me too!
{{Lights coals}}
No, really, if there are salient points to be debated, I'm there.
| 621 |
Aye Pod Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:53:13pm |
re: #603 iceweasel
Yeah, when I see that kind of complaint I almost always read a not-so-hidden complaint about what CJ is posting. Why can't we have more threads about the evil Soros, Charles? Why not more threads on ACORN? the tea partiers are a populist movement!
Etc.
I've actually seen keloyd go on a downding spree on Charles's posts, so I think that's pretty spot on.
| 622 |
Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:53:47pm |
re: #427 Cato the Elder
Is there a "Dogster" site too? Haku would rock the kasbah there.
Yes there is!!
| 623 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:54:22pm |
re: #618 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just walk away.
[Video]
Normally I would but, to defend Buchannan? I just can't let that go unanswered.
| 624 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:54:54pm |
re: #620 austin_blue
Ooh! Me too!
{{Lights coals}}
No, really, if there are salient points to be debated, I'm there.
Thanks for ponying up for the charcoal. Since we don't have any trolls to grill, lets try some hot dogs and bratwursts instead.
| 625 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:56:18pm |
re: #624 Dark_Falcon
Thanks for ponying up for the charcoal. Since we don't have any trolls to grill, lets try some hot dogs and bratwursts instead.
Don't forget the...tofu?.. for FBV!
;)
| 626 |
Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:56:39pm |
re: #619 Varek Raith
Clarification: By fight, I mean a decent argument. I like arguing.
;)
Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
| 628 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:57:23pm |
re: #626 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
Maloderous? I take offense to that, sir!
| 629 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:57:32pm |
At the website of Tea Party Patriots, a post that was deleted but still lingers in the Google cache: God bless Joe Stack an american hero.
God bless Joe Stack an american hero
Current Events by summit02Thank you Joe for your heroism in the fight aganist the evil elites. that are destroying america .
| 630 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:57:35pm |
re: #621 Jimmah
I've actually seen keloyd go on a downding spree on Charles's posts, so I think that's pretty spot on.
Spy is so useful, and so well named too.
| 631 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:58:24pm |
re: #626 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
Updinged, but I believe the actual epithet in England is "toffee-nosed".
Just sayin'.
| 632 |
Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:59:33pm |
re: #631 Cato the Elder
Updinged, but I believe the actual epithet in England is "toffee-nosed".
Just sayin'.
Its late and I'm going off of memory while deflecting idiots who can't follow simple directions.
| 633 |
jaunte Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:59:59pm |
re: #631 Cato the Elder
"Civet-nosed" for the extravagant coffee noser.
| 634 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:00:09pm |
re: #632 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Its late and I'm going off of memory while deflecting idiots who can't follow simple directions.
Sheesh, sounds like a fun job, ya got there!
:/
| 635 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:00:30pm |
re: #629 Charles
At the website of Tea Party Patriots, a post that was deleted but still lingers in the Google cache: God bless Joe Stack an american hero.
And people will still say he was a lone loon.
In the sense of not being a co-breather (conspirator), they're right.
But the womb is very fruitful from whence he crawled.
| 636 |
The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:00:39pm |
| 637 |
austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:01:24pm |
re: #624 Dark_Falcon
Thanks for ponying up for the charcoal. Since we don't have any trolls to grill, lets try some hot dogs and bratwursts instead.
Damn. I was so hoping to grill some gamey buttocks...
Okay then, shrimp and okra...
| 638 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:02:27pm |
re: #629 Charles
At the website of Tea Party Patriots, a post that was deleted but still lingers in the Google cache: God bless Joe Stack an american hero.
Damn, those comments are.....just, yeesh!
| 639 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:02:32pm |
re: #630 iceweasel
Spy is so useful, and so well named too.
[Video]
Beware of pretty faces that you find.
A pretty face can hide a liberal mind!
Be careful what you say,
or Iceweasel will make you pay.
Odds are you will surely get your ass kicked!
Don't you Mess With Ice!
Don't you Mess With Ice!
She eats Wingnuts for breakfast,
and cooks trolls for lunch!
| 640 |
austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:02:48pm |
re: #626 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
Brilliant.
| 641 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:04:09pm |
re: #636 The Sanity Inspector
Carly Simon is still alive? Who knew?
| 642 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:05:00pm |
re: #635 Cato the Elder
And people will still say he was a lone loon.
In the sense of not being a co-breather (conspirator), they're right.
But the womb is very fruitful from whence he crawled.
I bet the tea party sites are a hotbed of lunacy over Stack.
Here's a comment I just found pushing a 'troofer' style theory about it. Excerpt:
in this case, Joe Stack was “crucified” by the media (including Fox) before the case was investigated. The media is acting on recklessness and emotion.
The wacko's conclusion?
Next, look for yet further ‘’security measures” to be implemented. Subjecting more and more innocent Americans to their unlawful and degrading searches. We are resembling a police state more and more. I was just thinking if they will put body scanners in schools. Bet that will be soon
Complete with 'analysis' of the crash via photos, etc.
[Link: patriotsforamerica.ning.com...]
BTW, the 'article' that guy is commenting on says this about his manifesto:
My heart goes out to Joe Stack! The sentiments expressed above are shared by
millions of Americans who are also fed up with Big Brother. We are fed up
with our country being turned into a burgeoning police state, under the
rubric of "national security." We are fed up with the harassments of the
IRS. We know the "war on drugs" is merely the government's way of cutting
out the competition (this is exactly what more than one retired federal law
enforcement agent--employed in the drug war--told me). We know the "war on
terror" is nothing but an excuse to trample our constitutional liberties. We
are fed up with the voracious vampires known as the Federal Reserve sucking
the lifeblood out of the veins of America's hardworking Middle Class. We are
tired of the CFR, CIA, and America's State Department manufacturing
perpetual wars that cost trillions of dollars and thousands of American
lives for the benefit of the global elite. We are fed up with an arrogant
and oppressive federal government that is strangling the life and freedom
out of our states. We all share Joe Stack's pain!I really wish Joe Stack had not killed himself, however. We need each other.
By taking his life, he reduced our strength. The global elites delight in
our demise. As we grow weaker, they grow stronger.
| 643 |
Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:05:21pm |
Latest fun:
"OK, looking in the X/Y/Z folder, I see this file version."
"Impossible, I just pasted the new file into X/Y/Z/1!"
"I didn't say X/Y/Z/1, look under Z."
"..."
"See it now?"
"...Yes."
| 644 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:05:54pm |
re: #639 Dark_Falcon
Aw, everyone knows DF is the troll chef around here!
:)
| 645 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:07:27pm |
re: #638 Varek Raith
Damn, those comments are...just, yeesh!
Actually all the crazy comments are from one poster, "FloridaRoadie". He's from the same state as Rodan, so i think its something in the water down there. Either that or Bad Craziness is mosquito-borne.
| 646 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:07:38pm |
re: #643 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Latest fun:
"OK, looking in the X/Y/Z folder, I see this file version."
"Impossible, I just pasted the new file into X/Y/Z/1!"
"I didn't say X/Y/Z/1, look under Z."
"..."
"See it now?"
"...Yes."
I hope you are sane by the end of your shift.
| 647 |
Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:09:09pm |
re: #646 Varek Raith
I hope you are sane by the end of your shift.
You're assuming I was sane to start it.
| 648 |
Kronocide Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:09:24pm |
re: #541 windsagio
I have a problem with the way Atheists tend to present themselves on the net. Its not their beliefs, but the fact that so many of them project this sense of exceptionalism.
Everyone is exceptional!
My problem with my fellow atheists is when it's based on anger or hatred of religion (yes Brother Hitchens) or when then need to prove atheism by destroying theistic beliefs.
If you don't believe in god, that's it. Ends right there.
| 649 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:09:32pm |
re: #629 Charles
At the website of Tea Party Patriots, a post that was deleted but still lingers in the Google cache: God bless Joe Stack an american hero.
Hero? For a 40,000 dollar dispute from many years ago he become a suicide bomber in his own Piper Dakota. He was still able to live comfortably enough to won and fly a Dakota which are worth well over 100,000 dollars. Then taking the life of an innocent man in his crazed suicide attack.
| 651 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:11:38pm |
re: #642 iceweasel
Oh, dear God.
This swamp has been fevering for a long, long time. All it took was a non-white president to bring it to a boil.
We are in for a rough ride, which is why ego, Americanus liberalus, me longe armatum habeo.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:11:42pm |
re: #649 Gus 802
Hero? For a 40,000 dollar dispute from many years ago he become a suicide bomber in his own Piper Dakota. He was still able to live comfortably enough to won and fly a Dakota which are worth well over 100,000 dollars. Then taking the life of an innocent man in his crazed suicide attack.
Thus the correctness of one of the sane comments at that post:
From Wingnutcrusher Posted 2/21/2010 2:37:55 AM
Hey wingnuts, you really are the American Taliban.....
| 653 |
jotalot Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:11:48pm |
re: #648 BigPapa
Everyone is exceptional!
My problem with my fellow atheists is when it's based on anger or hatred of religion (yes Brother Hitchens) or when then need to prove atheism by destroying theistic beliefs.
If you don't believe in god, that's it. Ends right there.
I believe in Something but don't blame anyone for not bothering.
| 654 |
Stonemason Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:12:05pm |
re: #642 iceweasel
Since that poster quoted uses both left and right wing talking points is he/she a moderate?
(my call is insane, but I had to ask)
| 655 |
keloyd Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:12:26pm |
Oh my. Too many of you responded to my #581 to respond to all of you individually, not this late at night.
0. I've never been on a downding spree here ever. I've downdigned. I even took a whack at our fearless leader when I believed him to be substantially in error, as he has done to me. That's what the dinger is for.
1. I have disagreed with Pat Buchanan on this blog many times, but he is the perfect litmus test for several issues. He is nothing close to David Duke. Why do left wing colleagues treat him with genuine warmth? Maybe he has evolved. Maybe he has a brusque way with words. Maybe his civil behavior on MSNBC in the last decade is all a ruse, but I doubt it.
1.5 My post wasn't even about Buchanan. I addressed the low tone of blogging in general, with a witty quip about breeding the worlds tallest midget.
2. I referred to him tongue-in-cheek as "my boy Pat" while attempting to distinguish how he is wrong in a way that is different than hatemongers like Coulter. I never realized the internet was so deadly serious.
Wait, it's not. So I will bid the grownups in here goodnight.
| 657 |
austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:13:16pm |
re: #629 Charles
At the website of Tea Party Patriots, a post that was deleted but still lingers in the Google cache: God bless Joe Stack an american hero.
He killed a Vietnam Vet, a grandfather, a public servant. This entire town looked at each other the next day and said "Here? How?".
The fact is, teh crazees that have inundated this nation since election day '08 have gotten to the point that, on the majority of the boards on the web, nothing is civil. Nothing is intelligent. I have come to appreciate this board more and more. Right and Left, who are not bull goose loonies on either edge, can discuss the issues without, mostly, turning the discussion into a flame war. Much appreciated.
Although, I've got to admit, lighting up the coals for either a whack wingnut or a whack moonbat is *so* much fun.
| 658 |
webevintage Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:13:32pm |
re: #530 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Are we still allowed to reference Buddy Christ or Raptor Jesus?
I have a Buddy Christ.
Sits right next to the Smoking Baby that is sitting on my desk.
Buddy Christ makes me smile....
| 659 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:14:01pm |
re: #654 Stonemason
Since that poster quoted uses both left and right wing talking points is he/she a moderate?
(my call is insane, but I had to ask)
There's a 'left wing' talking point in there?
They're posting on a tea party forum. I think it's fair to say they aren't a 'lefty'.
And besides, crazy knows no party affiliation.
| 660 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:14:33pm |
re: #652 Dark_Falcon
Seriously. Let's see. It was a 1979 Dakota. Those go for about 140,000 dollars. He could have easily sold that and payed of his debt. That's what a normal person would have done.
| 661 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:14:40pm |
re: #655 keloyd
People
Who call their own stuff witty
Normally can't
Tell wit from shit
| 662 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:15:19pm |
re: #655 keloyd
Your condescension does not help your 'argument'.
| 663 |
austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:15:38pm |
re: #661 Cato the Elder
People
Who call their own stuff witty
Normally can't
Tell wit from shit
Ogden Nash?
| 664 |
The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:15:45pm |
re: #643 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Latest fun:
"OK, looking in the X/Y/Z folder, I see this file version."
"Impossible, I just pasted the new file into X/Y/Z/1!"
"I didn't say X/Y/Z/1, look under Z."
"..."
"See it now?"
"...Yes."
"You mean the square peg goes into the square hole...??"
| 665 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:15:55pm |
| 666 |
Mich-again Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:16:17pm |
re: #648 BigPapa
Everyone is exceptional!
My problem with my fellow atheists is when it's based on anger or hatred of religion (yes Brother Hitchens) or when then need to prove atheism by destroying theistic beliefs.
If you don't believe in god, that's it. Ends right there.
I don't concern myself with what other people believe or don't believe but it seems to me there are two versions of atheism. One doesn't believe in a creator. The other goes further and believes in a lack of one. The latter are typically more combatitive. Just my observation.
| 667 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:16:28pm |
re: #665 Gus 802
Fearless leader? Now you're trolling.
What's with the numbering starting from zero?
Zero? It's a math thing.
;)
| 668 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:16:32pm |
| 669 |
Stonemason Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:16:58pm |
re: #659 iceweasel
And besides, crazy knows no party affiliation.
My point exactly. Yup, the rant against both the war on drugs and the war on terror could have come from Kos or DU. Some of the slop was libertarian too.
| 671 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:17:52pm |
re: #666 Mich-again
I don't concern myself with what other people believe or don't believe but it seems to me there are two versions of atheism. One doesn't believe in a creator. The other goes further and believes in a lack of one. The latter are typically more combatitive. Just my observation.
Bolded part. Maybe it's just late but, I don't get it.
| 672 |
austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:18:22pm |
re: #668 Cato the Elder
Original
Cato
Natch
Well done!
i figured that since Nash was the bard of Baltimore...
| 673 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:18:51pm |
re: #665 Gus 802
Fearless leader? Now you're trolling.
What's with the numbering starting from zero?
I guess he's writing us a Tractatus Logico-Jackassus.
| 674 |
jaunte Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:19:47pm |
re: #671 Varek Raith
Bolded part. Maybe it's just late but, I don't get it.
It's "I don't think there's a monster in the pond" vs. "There's definitely no monster in the pond, you twit."
| 675 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:20:06pm |
re: #669 Stonemason
And besides, crazy knows no party affiliation.
My point exactly. Yup, the rant against both the war on drugs and the war on terror could have come from Kos or DU. Some of the slop was libertarian too.
Hey, if it makes you feel better about the right going Full Metal Wingnut, go for it.
| 676 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:22:20pm |
re: #655 keloyd
Oh my. Too many of you responded to my #581 to respond to all of you individually, not this late at night.
0. I've never been on a downding spree here ever. I've downdigned. I even took a whack at our fearless leader when I believed him to be substantially in error, as he has done to me. That's what the dinger is for.
1. I have disagreed with Pat Buchanan on this blog many times, but he is the perfect litmus test for several issues. He is nothing close to David Duke. Why do left wing colleagues treat him with genuine warmth? Maybe he has evolved. Maybe he has a brusque way with words. Maybe his civil behavior on MSNBC in the last decade is all a ruse, but I doubt it.
1.5 My post wasn't even about Buchanan. I addressed the low tone of blogging in general, with a witty quip about breeding the worlds tallest midget.
2. I referred to him tongue-in-cheek as "my boy Pat" while attempting to distinguish how he is wrong in a way that is different than hatemongers like Coulter. I never realized the internet was so deadly serious.Wait, it's not. So I will bid the grownups in here goodnight.
What issues is Pat Buchanan "the perfect litmus test"?
- How to shill Bad Craziness on TV and get paid for it?
-Hitler-friendly Historical revisionism?
-How to destroy a national political party from within?
(feel free to insert your own)
| 677 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:22:25pm |
re: #675 iceweasel
Hey, if it makes you feel better about the right going Full Metal Wingnut, go for it.
I *am*... in a world... of shit.
/
| 678 |
The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:22:34pm |
[Father Rodrigues has been captured by the Japanese, while
ministering to the underground church in 17th century Japan. He has
been forced to listen to his flock being tortured in the pit, in order
to get him to apostasize. Finally, he agrees to trample on the
"fumie", the image of Christ affixed to a rough wooden plank.]
The first rays of dawn appear. The light shines on his long
neck stretched out like a chicken and upon the bony shoulders. The
priest grasps the fumie with both hands bringing it close to his eyes.
He would like to press to his own face that face trampled on by so
many feet. With saddened glance he stares intently at the man in the
center of the fumie, worn down and hollow with the constant trampling.
A tear is about to fall from his eye. "Ah:, he says trembling, "the
pain."
"It is only a formality. What do formalities matter?" The
interpreter urges him on excitedly. "Only go through with the
exterior form of trampling."
The priest raises his foot. In it he feels a dull, heavy
pain. This is no mere formality. He will now trample on what he has
considered the most beautiful thing in his life, on what he has
believed most pure, on what is filled with the ideals and the dreams
of man. How his foot aches! And then the Christ in bronze speaks to
the priest: "Trample! Trample! I more than anyone know of the pain
in your foot. Trample! It was to be trampled on by men that I was
born into this world. It was to share men's pain that I carried my
cross."
The priest placed his foot on the fumie. Dawn broke. And far
in the distance the cock crew.
--Shusaku Endo, _Silence_, 1969
| 679 |
Mich-again Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:22:44pm |
re: #671 Varek Raith
Bolded part. Maybe it's just late but, I don't get it.
Some people don't believe in a creator because they see no proof of it. Thats a different thing than being certain there is no creator. One doubts, the other doesn't doubt.
| 680 |
Stonemason Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:24:11pm |
re: #675 iceweasel
Hey, if it makes you feel better about the right going Full Metal Wingnut, go for it.
so where did that come from? Seriously, where?
That poster, from some other site was quoted here. I mentioned that the nut-job was spewing left and right wing talking points...that is it, end of story.
| 681 |
Kronocide Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:24:56pm |
re: #666 Mich-again
I don't concern myself with what other people believe or don't believe but it seems to me there are two versions of atheism. One doesn't believe in a creator. The other goes further and believes in a lack of one. The latter are typically more combatitive. Just my observation.
You're not the only one. I have a good friend atheist who has a touch of Hitchen's Disease. I love to tease him when on a tirade by calling him a zealot or 'True Believer' in atheism.
He wisely smirks and gives me my fun.
| 682 |
austin_blue Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:25:05pm |
Ack! Late. Good night. all.
Sweet dreams to all Lizardi.
A fortunate day for many humans on the planet. It could have been much worse.
Baji-Naji.
| 683 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:25:10pm |
re: #680 Stonemason
so where did that come from? Seriously, where?
That poster, from some other site was quoted here. I mentioned that the nut-job was spewing left and right wing talking points...that is it, end of story.
Seriously, it came from the link I gave. Which is a TeA PaRtY site.
| 684 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:26:26pm |
re: #683 iceweasel
Seriously, it came from the link I gave. Which is a TeA PaRtY site.
No true Scotsman!
| 685 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:27:10pm |
re: #679 Mich-again
Some people don't believe in a creator because they see no proof of it. Thats a different thing than being certain there is no creator. One doubts, the other doesn't doubt.
There is no evidence of unicorns. Must I be open to their possible existence? Or do they not exist?
| 686 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:27:59pm |
re: #673 iceweasel
I guess he's writing us a Tractatus Logico-Jackassus.
Proposition #1: Der Esel ist alles, was zum Fall führt.
| 687 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:28:18pm |
re: #684 Gus 802
No true Scotsman!
Hee!
Reminds me of my favourite stalker post about Jimmah, which made the argument that he couldn't be a Scot.
Yes, the words No True Scotsman were used.
A "No True Scotsman" argument made about an actual Scot.
epic fail.
| 688 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:29:32pm |
| 689 |
Stonemason Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:30:12pm |
re: #683 iceweasel
Seriously, it came from the link I gave. Which is a TeA PaRtY site.
I have posted on Kos and DU (but, interestingly enough never Hot Air or any 'right wingnut' site) and I am not a raving moonbat. My point: The person quoted is seriously screwed up, and from the tenor of the post, could be left or right wing (or libertarian). Am I about 80% sure the poster was a wingnut? Yup. But that is not my call, not a fact, that is opinon.
when either side lose touch with reality, bad things can happen.
| 690 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:30:39pm |
re: #687 iceweasel
Hee!
Reminds me of my favourite stalker post about Jimmah, which made the argument that he couldn't be a Scot.Yes, the words No True Scotsman were used.
A "No True Scotsman" argument made about an actual Scot.
epic fail.
Yeah. No true Scotsman doesn't play the bag pipes and carries a sword in his right hand and an octopus in his left.
/
| 691 |
Digital Display Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:31:32pm |
re: #687 iceweasel
Hee!
Reminds me of my favourite stalker post about Jimmah, which made the argument that he couldn't be a Scot.Yes, the words No True Scotsman were used.
A "No True Scotsman" argument made about an actual Scot.
epic fail.
Winston will kick their butt..
For some reason he likes Scotsman...Who knew?
*wink*
| 692 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:31:33pm |
re: #655 keloyd
Maybe [Buchanan's] civil behavior on MSNBC in the last decade is all a ruse, but I doubt it.
Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste.
| 693 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:31:41pm |
re: #689 Stonemason
I have posted on Kos and DU (but, interestingly enough never Hot Air or any 'right wingnut' site) and I am not a raving moonbat. My point: The person quoted is seriously screwed up, and from the tenor of the post, could be left or right wing (or libertarian). Am I about 80% sure the poster was a wingnut? Yup. But that is not my call, not a fact, that is opinon.
when either side lose touch with reality, bad things can happen.
Quite Concur.
| 694 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:33:12pm |
re: #690 Gus 802
Yeah. No true Scotsman doesn't play the bag pipes and carries a sword in his right hand and an octopus in his left.
/
A claymore in his right!
One, two, three, four, I declare YOUTUBE WAR!
| 695 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:33:43pm |
re: #692 Cato the Elder
Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste.
| 696 |
The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:33:48pm |
| 697 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:33:52pm |
re: #694 iceweasel
A claymore in his right!
One, two, three, four, I declare YOUTUBE WAR!
[Video]
This has to be in the running for most lethal youtube music vid ever...
Dual-wielded Claymores!11!!1
| 698 |
Mich-again Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:33:55pm |
re: #680 Stonemason
I mentioned that the nut-job was spewing left and right wing talking points...that is it, end of story.
The far left meets up with the far right at the moronic convergence point. Politics aren't as simple as left-right. Its more like the color scale which defines colors using 3 axis; red-green, blue-yellow, and light-dark. I'd guess 3 scales something like left-right, rational-irrational, casual interest-passionate interest would work to define people's politics better.
| 699 |
jotalot Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:34:42pm |
re: #685 Varek Raith
Most young kids love the idea of unicorns and are happy enough with that until they must admit unicorns are merely mythological inventions....but they still cherish the notion. Then there are the smart kids that just roll their eyes. I think both groups are dead on.
| 700 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:35:10pm |
re: #689 Stonemason
I have posted on Kos and DU (but, interestingly enough never Hot Air or any 'right wingnut' site) and I am not a raving moonbat. My point: The person quoted is seriously screwed up, and from the tenor of the post, could be left or right wing (or libertarian). Am I about 80% sure the poster was a wingnut? Yup. But that is not my call, not a fact, that is opinon.
when either side lose touch with reality, bad things can happen.
Uh, that final quote you're referring to is attributable to Dr. Chuck Baldwin, pastor of Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola.
No true Scotsman.
| 701 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:35:49pm |
re: #699 jotalot
Most young kids love the idea of unicorns and are happy enough with that until they must admit unicorns are merely mythological inventions...but they still cherish the notion. Then there are the smart kids that just roll their eyes. I think both groups are dead on.
Whatever floats their proverbial boats, I suppose.
;)
| 703 |
Kragar Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:36:25pm |
re: #694 iceweasel
A claymore in his right!
One, two, three, four, I declare YOUTUBE WAR![Video]
This has to be in the running for most lethal youtube music vid ever...
Call in the Scotch Koreans!
| 704 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:37:57pm |
re: #700 Gus 802
| 706 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:38:52pm |
re: #694 iceweasel
A claymore in his right!
One, two, three, four, I declare YOUTUBE WAR!This has to be in the running for most lethal youtube music vid ever...
I was going to post a YouTube of Rob Roy fighting with Gary Oldman (claymore agin foil) but GODDAMMIT what's happened to YouTube?
You can't get a single vid anymore. It's all fookin' playlists. I tried to link an Emmylou Harris song on Facebook today, but instead of the one simple song, they give you a PLAYLIST that runs every goddamn version of the same tune, whether you like it or not.
Have they lost their minds?
Rant off.
| 707 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:39:02pm |
I'm out. G'night folks.
| 708 |
Stonemason Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:39:18pm |
re: #700 Gus 802
Uh, that final quote you're referring to is attributable to Dr. Chuck Baldwin, pastor of Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola.
No true Scotsman.
so that makes me 100% sure this person is a wingnut, doesn't negate the fact that both left and right talking points (or bumper stickers) are burined within the screed.
Sheesh, that was all I was pointing out, how insane things have become, how, as Mich-again puts is, the left and right have converged recently to form this whacky middle group that hates everything. Strange bedfellows and all.
| 709 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:39:41pm |
re: #703 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Call in the Scotch Koreans!
[Video]
What the hey?
Loved it. Thanks.
| 710 |
Stonemason Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:40:16pm |
re: #708 Stonemason
Buried...and now back to work
| 711 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:40:40pm |
re: #700 Gus 802
Uh, that final quote you're referring to is attributable to Dr. Chuck Baldwin, pastor of Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola.
No true Scotsman.
I'm sure he hangs on DU and is a Kos diarist too. /
| 712 |
The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:40:52pm |
We teach that it is proper to render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's. But when Caesar seats himself on the altar, we respond curtly: he must not.
-- Cardinal Wyszynski, sermon, 1953, denouncing the Polish Communist Party's decree that new priests must sign a loyalty oath to the Polish People's Republic. Quoted in George Weigel's _Witness to Hope: The Biography of John Paul II_, 1999
| 713 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:41:54pm |
re: #708 Stonemason
so that makes me 100% sure this person is a wingnut, doesn't negate the fact that both left and right talking points (or bumper stickers) are burined within the screed.
Sheesh, that was all I was pointing out, how insane things have become, how, as Mich-again puts is, the left and right have converged recently to form this whacky middle group that hates everything. Strange bedfellows and all.
OK I agree there is some convergence and both extremes get out of hand. However, Ice was specifically correct on this point. Dr. Chuck Baldwin originally posted that rant at Vdare. If we say "they're all doing it" it dilutes the focus and we wind up not being able to talk about anything.
| 714 |
Mich-again Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:42:34pm |
re: #685 Varek Raith
There is no evidence of unicorns. Must I be open to their possible existence? Or do they not exist?
No thats too dumbed down to work as a comparison. In the case of whether or not there is a creator, to say there is absolutely no such thing as a creator, the question remains so where did it all come from then, what brought on the big bang, what was all the matter in the universe "doing" before the big bang... questions that are impossible for us to answer now. To me its not a scientific answer to just say it was always there.
| 715 |
The Sanity Inspector Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:42:42pm |
The supreme trick of mass insanity is that it persuades you that the only abnormal person is the one who refuses to join in the madness of others, the one who tries vainly to resist. We will never understand totalitarianism if we do not understand that people rarely have the strength to be uncommon.
-—Eugene Ionesco
| 716 |
Aye Pod Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:42:59pm |
re: #694 iceweasel
A claymore in his right!
One, two, three, four, I declare YOUTUBE WAR!
[Video]
This has to be in the running for most lethal youtube music vid ever...
Yes :) It's got competition though, from this quarter :
| 717 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:43:32pm |
re: #711 iceweasel
I'm sure he hangs on DU and is a Kos diarist too. /
Yeah, right. Here's the original article cached at Vdare.
| 718 |
albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:43:50pm |
re: #695 Dark_Falcon
[Video]
possibly the worst version of that song ever played...I'd want my money back, probably the first one up on youtube tho...so I get that part
| 719 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:46:46pm |
re: #714 Mich-again
No thats too dumbed down to work as a comparison. In the case of whether or not there is a creator, to say there is absolutely no such thing as a creator, the question remains so where did it all come from then, what brought on the big bang, what was all the matter in the universe "doing" before the big bang... questions that are impossible for us to answer now. To me its not a scientific answer to just say it was always there.
Well, to me, it is that simple. It's all magic and fairy dust. Many things that were deemed impossible to know in the past, science was eventually able to explain. It'll take centuries, or many millenia but, we'll eventually discover the truth behind the Big Bang.
| 720 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:47:06pm |
re: #718 albusteve
possibly the worst version of that song ever played...I'd want my money back, probably the first one up on youtube tho...so I get that part
What made it bad? You're the Stones expert, so your opinion matters greatly on this one. Also, do note that this was part of the same concert that featured the version of Like a Rolling Stone you praised highly. In fact it was the song immediately prior to Sympathy For the Devil.
| 721 |
Stonemason Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:49:13pm |
re: #713 Gus 802
OK I agree there is some convergence and both extremes get out of hand. However, Ice was specifically correct on this point. Dr. Chuck Baldwin originally posted that rant at Vdare. If we say "they're all doing it" it dilutes the focus and we wind up not being able to talk about anything.
and that is my point, 'they' are not 'all' doing anything. There are loons on the right screaming stupid, racist stuff. There are loons on the left screaming stupid, racist stuff. There are libertarians screaming stupid, racist stuff. Finding the individuals on all sides, pointing them out individually, is how we combat this. Claiming that one side or the other is 'worse', or that one side or the other has the only 'right' way to think will never move us to where we need to be.
I watched the melt down on the left for eight years, now I am watching a melt down on the right. The problem is that those who melted down in the '90's never came back, those that melted down during the Bush years have not come back, add to that the percentage of humans that will always be stupid racists and you have a recipe for disaster.
My simple call is that those of us on the right who are still sane and those on the left who can accept that sanity need to come together to stop the wingbats, not lump them all as right or left.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:51:12pm |
re: #679 Mich-again
Some people don't believe in a creator because they see no proof of it. Thats a different thing than being certain there is no creator. One doubts, the other doesn't doubt.
Another way of phrasing this is that the agnostic is aware of the limits to his or her own perception. While the atheist, in order to maintain such "certainty" dogmatically insists that such limitations also do not exist.
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jotalot Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:51:34pm |
Problem with unicorns...really....itsa girl thing and unworthy of serious comparison to theological/scientific interest. Dodo's don't exist either, but at least they used to... think how THAT could be twisted about.
Still, I think I understand what Varek wanted to say.
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The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:51:38pm |
re: #713 Gus 802
OK I agree there is some convergence and both extremes get out of hand. However, Ice was specifically correct on this point. Dr. Chuck Baldwin originally posted that rant at Vdare. If we say "they're all doing it" it dilutes the focus and we wind up not being able to talk about anything.
Yeah. We don't have to say there aren't any wackos on the left to talk about what's going on on the right currently. DU is imo the Free Republic of the left. Anti-gubbmint hate can be found on the fringe left and (more widespread, currently) on the right.
But to characterise criticisms of the war on drugs, or concerns about civil liberties as 'left wing talking points' in this context is crazy, and imo another attempt to try to minimise what's happening on the right by saying 'teh left did it too' or some such.
Certain kinds of crazy don't know any party. The left marginalised its wackos. The right wants to pander to theirs at the moment. I realise this is painful, especially for people on the right to admit-- but it has to be done.
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Aye Pod Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:51:41pm |
re: #687 iceweasel
Hee!
Reminds me of my favourite stalker post about Jimmah, which made the argument that he couldn't be a Scot.Yes, the words No True Scotsman were used.
A "No True Scotsman" argument made about an actual Scot.
epic fail.
I also got accused by a bunch of idiots on another site of not being 'a true Scotsman' - a Scandinavian, in fact, simply because I had a vaguely Scandinavian sounding nick and "said things that no true Scot would".
You'd think they'd figure that someone who was really Scandinavian and who was intending to pass himself of as a Scot would NOT start off by choosing a Scandinavian sounding nick.
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Silvergirl Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:52:03pm |
re: #18 SixDegrees
How the hell do you organize cats?
I know the thread has moved far beyond this and the Overnight has opened, but maybe some lone person will get a modicum of amusement from these cat organizing ideas.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:52:55pm |
re: #719 Varek Raith
Good gravy, let me try this again.
Okay comparing a creator to unicorns and magic is perfectly logical to me. It's the same. Science as answered questions that were deemed impossible to know in the past. Science will eventually answer the questions behind the Big Bang. As to 'always existing', is that not how most religions describe their creator?
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:53:08pm |
Well, I'm out.
Gotta go watch Cat Ballou rob a train.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:53:17pm |
re: #721 Stonemason
My simple call is that those of us on the right who are still sane and those on the left who can accept that sanity need to come together to stop the wingbats, not lump them all as right or left.
This would be a most interesting thing to have occur.
| 730 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:53:37pm |
re: #728 Cato the Elder
Well, I'm out.
Gotta go watch Cat Ballou rob a train.
Lee Marvin rides again!
| 731 |
Silvergirl Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:56:51pm |
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albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:56:52pm |
re: #720 Dark_Falcon
What made it bad? You're the Stones expert, so your opinion matters greatly on this one. Also, do note that this was part of the same concert that featured the version of Like a Rolling Stone you praised highly. In fact it was the song immediately prior to Sympathy For the Devil.
the long intro and overall arena effect...the single chord piano...I realize better than most how songs get reworked but this version loses the classic rhythm that Jagger himself originally insisted on...the piano comes on lightly and builds as part of that rhythm...there is little you can do to improve the studio version except for that classics glaringly pitiful outro guitar riff....Richards just flat cannot play the outro to that song...the end should be not frantic but more so than the beginning...and of course Jagger can ruin ansong with his monotone vocals and he did here...find the Barcelona arena version, maybe the best....I'm fussy about that stuff
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keloyd Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:57:25pm |
re: #676 Dark_Falcon
What issues is Pat Buchanan "the perfect litmus test"?
It's tricky calling when the political opponent is wrong, and when he is evil. Buchanan's abrasive style brings this out to an unusual degree.
- How to shill Bad Craziness on TV and get paid for it?
Beck is bad crazy. Buchanan's mind is in an unusual philosophical place. He may be wrong, but he's something different than Fox News flame throwers or David Duke levels of prejudice. There are shades of gray here, I admit.
-Hitler-friendly Historical revisionism?
The 2 sentence description that is bandied about is Hitler-friendly. I've heard him defending that book on CSPAN, but not read it. The book itself is very much mistaken, imho. I am mystified why anyone would write it, but it is not friendly to Hitler. He got somewhat passionate about how evil Hitler was when asked. His (erroneous) attempt was to say he was the same kind of evil-but-rational character as Stalin. I disagree, but it's Pat's book.
-How to destroy a national political party from within?
His culture war talk was not my cup of tea either. Still, it is standard family values right wing philosophy with an aggressive choice of words.(feel free to insert your own)
I don't like fightin on the net, and haven't had time tonight to write more, and I'll be more careful to not make tongue-in-cheek comments that appear serious when written.
...nursing a headache that won;t let me doze off, dangit...
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Mich-again Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:58:10pm |
re: #727 Varek Raith
Science as answered questions that were deemed impossible to know in the past. Science will eventually answer the questions behind the Big Bang.
That claim itself is an article of faith. Science will eventually figure it all out. And you know this how?
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albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:58:12pm |
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 10:58:58pm |
re: #723 jotalot
Problem with unicorns...really...itsa girl thing and unworthy of serious comparison to theological/scientific interest. Dodo's don't exist either, but at least they used to... think how THAT could be twisted about.
Still, I think I understand what Varek wanted to say.
Okay, what's the difference between a creator god, magic, and/or unicorns? Seriously, what's the difference? How can one say that a creator god exists and yet, at the same time, say magic does not?
As you all can probably tell, religious faith makes absolutely no sense to me. Never has. Apologies for my bluntness.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:00:10pm |
re: #737 Gus 802
Cable channel?
yeah...all cowboys, all the time...don't know what the name is, sorry
| 739 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:00:33pm |
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albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:01:16pm |
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:01:50pm |
re: #734 Mich-again
That claim itself is an article of faith. Science will eventually figure it all out. And you know this how?
Heh, sorry, that was worded agonizingly bad on my part. I don't know if we'll figure it out. However, I am far more confident in science then I'll ever be in religion to get answers to our worldly questions.
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:03:22pm |
re: #740 albusteve
eat a baby?...that's neanderthal dude
There's always unborn chickens... I mean eggs.
/
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albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:04:34pm |
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jotalot Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:06:14pm |
re: #742 Gus 802
There's always unborn chickens... I mean eggs.
/
My son said (when he was 6) when looking at a dead dove: An egg is not a bird.
i'm not sure what it means but it still sounds profound to me
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albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:06:50pm |
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:07:55pm |
re: #746 jotalot
My son said (when he was 6) when looking at a dead dove: An egg is not a bird.
i'm not sure what it means but it still sounds profound to me
You kids react oddly to eggs sometimes. I remember my brother and I used to put the fork onto the yolk and belt out, "mmmmm, babies!" It was around the same age.
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Mich-again Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:10:00pm |
re: #736 Varek Raith
Seriously, what's the difference?
Because people can actually look around and see "creation" and naturally wonder where it all came from. That leads to the question if some kind of a creator was involved. There is no proof for or against that question. But if you are convinced there was none, then you are left with "so where did it all come from" And you seem to be content with the explanation that science will figure it all out someday. Thats fine with me, like I said I don't concern myself with what anyone believes or doesn't believe. But it is a belief.
Thats why the unicorn analogy comes up short. Theres no reason for anyone to wonder if there really are unicorns. But its reasonable that people wonder if there is a creator.
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Mich-again Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:11:18pm |
re: #741 Varek Raith
Heh, sorry, that was worded agonizingly bad on my part. I don't know if we'll figure it out. However, I am far more confident in science then I'll ever be in religion to get answers to our worldly questions.
Me too. Religion has consistently come up short trying to answer any worldly questions.
| 753 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:13:14pm |
re: #732 albusteve
the long intro and overall arena effect...the single chord piano...I realize better than most how songs get reworked but this version loses the classic rhythm that Jagger himself originally insisted on...the piano comes on lightly and builds as part of that rhythm...there is little you can do to improve the studio version except for that classics glaringly pitiful outro guitar riff...Richards just flat cannot play the outro to that song...the end should be not frantic but more so than the beginning...and of course Jagger can ruin ansong with his monotone vocals and he did here...find the Barcelona arena version, maybe the best...I'm fussy about that stuff
And that's what we love about you, Steve. You hold rock to high standards.
| 754 |
albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:13:41pm |
re: #752 Mich-again
Me too. Religion has consistently come up short trying to answer any worldly questions.
religion itself is not worldly, but it's application is....that's why it exists in the first place....the answer to all unaswerable questions
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:13:52pm |
re: #751 Mich-again
Because people can actually look around and see "creation" and naturally wonder where it all came from. That leads to the question if some kind of a creator was involved. There is no proof for or against that question. But if you are convinced there was none, then you are left with "so where did it all come from" And you seem to be content with the explanation that science will figure it all out someday. Thats fine with me, like I said I don't concern myself with what anyone believes or doesn't believe. But it is a belief.
Thats why the unicorn analogy comes up short. Theres no reason for anyone to wonder if there really are unicorns. But its reasonable that people wonder if there is a creator.
Very well, thanks for dealing with me! I guess my mind is just incapable of such thinking. Apologies if I came off as overly harsh.
:)
| 756 |
albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:15:02pm |
re: #753 Dark_Falcon
And that's what we love about you, Steve. You hold rock to high standards.
don't know about that....but I accept the compliment
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Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:15:57pm |
re: #751 Mich-again
Because people can actually look around and see "creation" and naturally wonder where it all came from. That leads to the question if some kind of a creator was involved. There is no proof for or against that question. But if you are convinced there was none, then you are left with "so where did it all come from" And you seem to be content with the explanation that science will figure it all out someday. Thats fine with me, like I said I don't concern myself with what anyone believes or doesn't believe. But it is a belief.
Thats why the unicorn analogy comes up short. Theres no reason for anyone to wonder if there really are unicorns. But its reasonable that people wonder if there is a creator.
That begs the question if one even needs to ask, "so where did it all come from?" We can know some of the origins that can be explained through science however it is not really necessary to even know or come to a final conclusion about "where it all came from." In other word, one needn't ask the question. I can't fathom looking out into the stars and even being capable of answering such a question. So I don't even ask myself.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:16:42pm |
re: #733 keloyd
I don't like fightin on the net, and haven't had time tonight to write more, and I'll be more careful to not make tongue-in-cheek comments that appear serious when written.
...nursing a headache that won;t let me doze off, dangit...
I don't mainly agree, but I'm updinging you for a thoughtful and reasoned response. That you give those proves you're a member of the lizard army. Trolls spew and seeth, whereas you are civil and thoughtful.
| 759 |
jotalot Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:17:49pm |
re: #757 Gus 802
Nodding my head at your comment. That is it exactly for me. I think it is okay to say "I don't know" because it leaves your mind open.
| 760 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:18:11pm |
re: #757 Gus 802
The first question I'd have is, who created the creator? Cliche but, I've never heard a satisfactory answer on this.
| 761 |
Stonemason Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:18:48pm |
re: #724 iceweasel
But to characterise criticisms of the war on drugs, or concerns about civil liberties as 'left wing talking points' in this context is crazy, and imo another attempt to try to minimise what's happening on the right by saying 'teh left did it too' or some such.
Certain kinds of crazy don't know any party. The left marginalised its wackos. The right wants to pander to theirs at the moment. I realise this is painful, especially for people on the right to admit-- but it has to be done.
We both know that I can go to any left leaning site and find many posts (top or otherwise) calling for the legalization of various drugs. We both know that I can also find a very large amount of posts regarding the Patriot Act on those very same sites. Please, do not resort to calling me crazy, or accuse me of a logical fallacy. I was not in any way, shape, or form minimalising what is happening right now.
The left marginalized the wackos when they no longer needed them, yes, I agree. I only hope the right does the same thing.
I could argue that the 'crazy' comment was ad hominem, but why bother? I don't care about that, really I don't. I want to get on board with the left leaner's on this blog and remove the Tea Party from prominence, ticking off sane right leaning folk by automatically ascribing fallacies to them is not helping in anyway.
Exposure, as is going on here, is the way to do it, but please remember, it is not a completely right/left thing as evidenced by both the Stack mess and that VDare article I can not get to from work, it is a lunatic thing that a small percentage of people have signed on to. Are most of those people self-labeled republicans? Yes they are, and when I talk to them I try very hard to show them the mess they are in. Are there leftists and libertarians caught up in the mes too? Of course there are, ignoring that fact hurts the attempt to destroy the movement.
Of course I am on record as saying that the movement will die a death due to exposure in the media, which I still believe, but I want to help speed the process.
| 762 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:19:09pm |
Posted this earlier, but what the heck:
Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ
Political, religious and sexual behaviors may be reflections of intelligence, a new study finds.
Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.
The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say. But they show how certain patterns of identifying with particular ideologies develop, and how some people's behaviors come to be.
I tend to think most of evolutionary psych is highly tendentious, to say the least, but permit me just once more to say...
| 763 |
albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:19:57pm |
I don't know if there is hell, but I do not believe there is, discounting Somalia of course
| 764 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:20:53pm |
re: #763 albusteve
I don't know if there is hell, but I do not believe there is, discounting Somalia of course
It's in Michigan.
;)
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albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:21:20pm |
re: #760 Varek Raith
The first question I'd have is, who created the creator? Cliche but, I've never heard a satisfactory answer on this.
there is no worldly answer, there is faith
| 766 |
albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:22:02pm |
| 767 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:22:09pm |
re: #760 Varek Raith
The first question I'd have is, who created the creator? Cliche but, I've never heard a satisfactory answer on this.
I've pondered that myself. Briefly, otherwise I'd be contradicting what I just said. That is how would one go from a complex organism, man, to an even more complex entity, a god, which created the physical world which is also highly complex. That's going backwards of course. So if people ask "how could we come from nothing" and then answer it with "the god entity" then one would have to ask how can this god come from nothing itself.
| 768 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:23:14pm |
re: #767 Gus 802
I've pondered that myself. Briefly, otherwise I'd be contradicting what I just said. That is how would one go from a complex organism, man, to an even more complex entity, a god, which created the physical world which is also highly complex. That's going backwards of course. So if people ask "how could we come from nothing" and then answer it with "the god entity" then one would have to ask how can this god come from nothing itself.
Precisely. I just don't understand religious faith. Perhaps it'd be best if I drop it?
| 769 |
keloyd Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:24:05pm |
As a mainline Protestant, so half an agnostic in the eyes of many, I want religion around to spice up our language if nothing else. If something is really powerfully good or bad, you need a religious reference...or cuss word.
Look at cuss words - there are the sexual ones, the poo-related ones, and the religious ones. I'm guessing Russians after 3 generations mostly without religion lost a great deal of 'color' in how you express stuff.
| 770 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:24:49pm |
re: #768 Varek Raith
Precisely. I just don't understand religious faith. Perhaps it'd be best if I drop it?
Drop it? I don't know. I'm not saying people have to think like I think. Either way.
| 771 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:25:17pm |
re: #769 keloyd
Hmm, it is rather difficult to damn something sufficiently without the full force of a pissed off deity behind it...
;)
| 772 |
jotalot Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:26:15pm |
re: #765 albusteve
there is no worldly answer, there is faith
I'm not convinced it matters very much whether or not we figure all this out, but I think it's good to accept what we do not know...and progress from that point.
| 773 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:26:42pm |
re: #770 Gus 802
Drop it? I don't know. I'm not saying people have to think like I think. Either way.
I'm seriously walking on eggshells. I've been in many discussions involving religion (not here) that have ended badly, semantically speaking.
| 774 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:27:19pm |
re: #767 Gus 802
I've pondered that myself. Briefly, otherwise I'd be contradicting what I just said. That is how would one go from a complex organism, man, to an even more complex entity, a god, which created the physical world which is also highly complex. That's going backwards of course. So if people ask "how could we come from nothing" and then answer it with "the god entity" then one would have to ask how can this god come from nothing itself.
There's basically three kinds of arguments like that:
1. There had to be a First Cause (but what caused that?)
2. Something can't come from nothing (but who says?)
3. There must be a Being whose existence is Necessary. (say what?)
anyway, that's my hyperlazy gloss on aquinas and objections to him. More here for the more serious
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 775 |
keloyd Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:28:45pm |
re: #771 Varek Raith
There's so much else to choose from - calling badly behaved children little devils, not literally of course, just as an alternative to little shits. I worked in that I "returned from walking to and fro upon the earth" sometime yesterday (which is a quote from the Devil in the book of Job.) I think I wrote HERE that "I hate the hippie and all his works" - another riff on the Devil, also kidding, maybe.
| 776 |
albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:30:05pm |
re: #772 jotalot
I'm not convinced it matters very much whether or not we figure all this out, but I think it's good to accept what we do not know...and progress from that point.
sure...as an atheist I accept what I do know and pretty much ignore what I don't...my life is pretty linear, I don't sit and ponder...I would make a terrible monk, because I hve no patience for faith on that level
| 777 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:30:05pm |
re: #773 Varek Raith
I'm seriously walking on eggshells. I've been in many discussions involving religion (not here) that have ended badly, semantically speaking.
Gah, I'm getting soft in my young age!
:P
| 778 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:30:14pm |
re: #773 Varek Raith
I'm seriously walking on eggshells. I've been in many discussions involving religion (not here) that have ended badly, semantically speaking.
True. I think the best way is to leave religion out of it then. So instead of making it a comparative study make it a description of what your own personal thoughts are regarding origins. Then you make it stand on its own rather than using what other people "believe" as a spring board.
| 779 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:31:12pm |
re: #775 keloyd
There's so much else to choose from - calling badly behaved children little devils, not literally of course, just as an alternative to little shits. I worked in that I "returned from walking to and fro upon the earth" sometime yesterday (which is a quote from the Devil in the book of Job.) I think I wrote HERE that "I hate the hippie and all his works" - another riff on the Devil, also kidding, maybe.
I'm not fond of hippies either. M father despised them when he was young, and his anger over the damage they did is shared by me.
| 780 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:31:50pm |
re: #778 Gus 802
True. I think the best way is to leave religion out of it then. So instead of making it a comparative study make it a description of what your own personal thoughts are regarding origins. Then you make it stand on its own rather than using what other people "believe" as a spring board.
Yeah, I don't really know what 'triggered' it tonight. I usually avoid it. Ah, well. Wasn't too bad, I suppose.
:)
| 781 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:31:58pm |
| 782 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:34:13pm |
Ah fuck it. I'm not that lazy tonight.
The basic problem with cosmological arguments for God's existence (really all ontological arguments) is that they make the exact same mistake that creationist arguments do w/r/t evolution. They attempt to derive an ontological conclusion (a conclusion about what exists) from epistemological premises (premises involving our knowledge, or lack thereof).
So, for example, the creationist will point to facts that it claims science hasn't yet explained, and conclude that our current epistemological lack entails an ontological or metaphysical conclusion-- a conclusion involving postulating a supernatural explanation. By 'supernatural' i mean here 'outside of' nature.
That's the problem.
| 784 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:36:24pm |
re: #782 iceweasel
Ah fuck it. I'm not that lazy tonight.
The basic problem with cosmological arguments for God's existence (really all ontological arguments) is that they make the exact same mistake that creationist arguments do w/r/t evolution. They attempt to derive an ontological conclusion (a conclusion about what exists) from epistemological premises (premises involving our knowledge, or lack thereof).
So, for example, the creationist will point to facts that it claims science hasn't yet explained, and conclude that our current epistemological lack entails an ontological or metaphysical conclusion-- a conclusion involving postulating a supernatural explanation. By 'supernatural' i mean here 'outside of' nature.
That's the problem.
God's existence cannot be proven decisively by examination of physical reality. At some poitn you have to take it partially on faith.
| 785 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:37:56pm |
re: #784 Dark_Falcon
God's existence cannot be proven decisively by examination of physical reality. At some poitn you have to take it partially on faith.
Yeah, and therein lies the cause of my utter lack of understanding.
| 786 |
Stonemason Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:38:14pm |
re: #782 iceweasel
::smiles:: not a problem for those who believe...
but your point is well made, from a scientific, logical argument standpoint, you are right on.
| 787 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:38:25pm |
re: #784 Dark_Falcon
You have to take it entirely on faith, really, which is the whole point. Faith the size of a mustard seed, and all that.
| 788 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:38:28pm |
re: #784 Dark_Falcon
God's existence cannot be proven decisively by examination of physical reality. At some poitn you have to take it partially on faith.
Right, which is why the best argument believers can make, philosophically speaking, is one which relies crucially on faith, not reason.
Or divine revelation, or similar.
| 789 |
albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:38:33pm |
I have a lot of respect for people who's faith appears to be a humble, internal experience for them...as opposed to the brash, money making, evangelical side of faith...for example, I find religious services on TV appalling even without the donation aspect...currently I'm learning about the Catholic Church and it's historical impact on New Mexico and I'm fascinated
| 790 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:38:51pm |
re: #782 iceweasel
Ah fuck it. I'm not that lazy tonight.
The basic problem with cosmological arguments for God's existence (really all ontological arguments) is that they make the exact same mistake that creationist arguments do w/r/t evolution. They attempt to derive an ontological conclusion (a conclusion about what exists) from epistemological premises (premises involving our knowledge, or lack thereof).
So, for example, the creationist will point to facts that it claims science hasn't yet explained, and conclude that our current epistemological lack entails an ontological or metaphysical conclusion-- a conclusion involving postulating a supernatural explanation. By 'supernatural' i mean here 'outside of' nature.
That's the problem.
That's why I try to avoid asking the question to myself. How does one answer "from out of nothing came atoms?" Is there no such thing as nothing? Is the lack of atoms a void, a vacuum, or nothing?
| 791 |
jotalot Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:39:08pm |
re: #782 iceweasel
Ah fuck it. I'm not that lazy tonight.
Perhaps I am lazy. There is no problem i can see with anyone speculating, on any level, about the method of existence. Seems the most natural question in the world to me. There is no insult in the question, and there is no right answer. Wide open space for speculation and study. Funny this doesn't bind us more together really.
| 792 |
keloyd Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:39:43pm |
re: #783 Slumbering Behemoth
Brilliant!
I say that now, when we're standing around in Purgatory for another week because of your temptation, maybe I'll change my mind. Until then, BRILLIANT!
| 793 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:41:28pm |
Empty space. No atoms, no light of course, nothing. A void of black with no stars, no planets, no gases, no organisms.
| 794 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:42:14pm |
re: #793 Gus 802
Empty space. No atoms, no light of course, nothing. A void of black with no stars, no planets, no gases, no organisms.
The concept of 'nothing' can be rather frightening to some, no?
| 795 |
Aye Pod Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:42:22pm |
re: #782 iceweasel
Ah fuck it. I'm not that lazy tonight.
The basic problem with cosmological arguments for God's existence (really all ontological arguments) is that they make the exact same mistake that creationist arguments do w/r/t evolution. They attempt to derive an ontological conclusion (a conclusion about what exists) from epistemological premises (premises involving our knowledge, or lack thereof).
So, for example, the creationist will point to facts that it claims science hasn't yet explained, and conclude that our current epistemological lack entails an ontological or metaphysical conclusion-- a conclusion involving postulating a supernatural explanation. By 'supernatural' i mean here 'outside of' nature.
That's the problem.
Yep - we don't know 'X' therefore 'Y'. And 'Y' is supernatural, incidentally.
| 796 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:42:26pm |
re: #791 jotalot
Oh, I don't have any problem with people speculating about it. The capacity to even ask such questions is one of the central marks of what makes us human in the first place.
Personally, I find that far more wondrous than the idea of a skyfairy.
| 798 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:43:20pm |
re: #794 Varek Raith
The concept of 'nothing' can be rather frightening to some, no?
Yes. However, that would only be a creation (result) of the mind.
| 799 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:43:27pm |
re: #788 iceweasel
Right, which is why the best argument believers can make, philosophically speaking, is one which relies crucially on faith, not reason.
Or divine revelation, or similar.
Or maybe you look into your dog's eyes one day and become aware of his awareness and realize that nothing in science can explain awareness.
| 800 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:43:53pm |
re: #793 Gus 802
Empty space. No atoms, no light of course, nothing. A void of black with no stars, no planets, no gases, no organisms.
Ah, time to post part of my favourite Larkin again:
I work all day, and get half drunk at night.
Waking at four to soundless dark, I stare.
In time the curtain edges will grow light.
Till then I see what's really always there:
Unresting death, a whole day nearer now,
Making all thought impossible but how
And where and when I shall myself die.
Arid interrogation: yet the dread
Of dying, and being dead,
Flashes afresh to hold and horrify.
The mind blanks at the glare. Not in remorse
- The good not used, the love not given, time
Torn off unused - nor wretchedly because
An only life can take so long to climb
Clear of its wrong beginnings, and may never:
But at the total emptiness forever,
The sure extinction that we travel to
And shall be lost in always. Not to be here,
Not to be anywhere,
And soon; nothing more terrible, nothing more true.
This is a special way of being afraid
No trick dispels. Religion used to try,
That vast moth-eaten musical brocade
Created to pretend we never die,
And specious stuff that says no rational being
Can fear a thing it cannot feel, not seeing
that this is what we fear - no sight, no sound,
No touch or taste or smell, nothing to think with,
Nothing to love or link with,
The anaesthetic from which none come round.
| 801 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:43:58pm |
re: #796 iceweasel
Oh, I don't have any problem with people speculating about it. The capacity to even ask such questions is one of the central marks of what makes us human in the first place.
Personally, I find that far more wondrous than the idea of a skyfairy.
Well, that depends. Is said skyfairy female? Hot? Average human height? Available?
:P
| 802 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:43:58pm |
| 803 |
albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:44:10pm |
re: #790 Gus 802
That's why I try to avoid asking the question to myself. How does one answer "from out of nothing came atoms?" Is there no such thing as nothing? Is the lack of atoms a void, a vacuum, or nothing?
it's all the same and it always will be...it's very simple, either you believe an idea without proof or you don't...all the millions of written words and lifetimes pondering the notion of God has been wasted on itself...intellect complicates it....cave men had it figured out right from the start....modern man has less to do with his time than argue about it
| 804 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:45:47pm |
re: #792 keloyd
My temptation? Heh. I have asked many "Why would God even need to make a bet like that with Lucifer, let alone want to?"
I have yet to receive a satisfactory answer.
| 805 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:45:59pm |
| 806 |
goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:47:31pm |
re: #779 Dark_Falcon
I'm not fond of hippies either. M father despised them when he was young, and his anger over the damage they did is shared by me.
| 807 |
jotalot Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:48:04pm |
I prefer to believe that scientists and other thinkers are working a puzzle from the back-end up. Most puzzle solving comes from looking first at what already is there...and the you go figure how that happened.
| 808 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:48:10pm |
re: #799 Cato the Elder
Or maybe you look into your dog's eyes one day and become aware of his awareness and realize that nothing in science can explain awareness.
Depends what you mean by 'awareness', i would say, if I wanted to give you a hard time. :)
Consciousness isn't explained, -- yet -- and it's always possible that the answer to it is one which we're cognitively closed to, just as the armadillo is cognitively closed w/r/t quantum mechanics.
We have just enough intelligence to formulate some questions, but are they even the right ones? And could we understand the answer even if we found it?
If human beings are the product of nature, so too is our intelligence. We're extremely adept at understanding some things-- the natural world being one. But why should we suppose that same intelligence is properly formed to answer all questions about the natural world? Or even all questions we can gesture at?
Our own consciousness could well be the 'blind spot' in human intelligence, an eye that cannot be turned back upon itself. No supernatural being required.
| 809 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:48:37pm |
| 810 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:50:33pm |
re: #806 goddamnedfrank
I wasn't fat at Cartman's age, that came later. But I was actually less attentive to the feelings of others at that age than Cartman, if you can believe it. I try to understand where others are coming from now partially because I used to be an asshole.
| 811 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:51:19pm |
Heh, humanity is nowhere near as intelligent* as we make ourselves out to be.
*By this I mean, we don't know jack shit about a lot of things. Gravity, for instance.
;)
| 812 |
albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:51:19pm |
re: #810 Dark_Falcon
I wasn't fat at Cartman's age, that came later. But I was actually less attentive to the feelings of others at that age than Cartman, if you can believe it. I try to understand where others are coming from now partially because I used to be an asshole.
God has a plan for you
| 813 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:51:37pm |
re: #808 iceweasel
Depends what you mean by 'awareness', i would say, if I wanted to give you a hard time. :)
Consciousness isn't explained, -- yet -- and it's always possible that the answer to it is one which we're cognitively closed to, just as the armadillo is cognitively closed w/r/t quantum mechanics.
We have just enough intelligence to formulate some questions, but are they even the right ones? And could we understand the answer even if we found it?
If human beings are the product of nature, so too is our intelligence. We're extremely adept at understanding some things-- the natural world being one. But why should we suppose that same intelligence is properly formed to answer all questions about the natural world? Or even all questions we can gesture at?Our own consciousness could well be the 'blind spot' in human intelligence, an eye that cannot be turned back upon itself. No supernatural being required.
Perhaps.
I prefer the answer I get from Dog.
| 814 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:52:54pm |
re: #812 albusteve
God has a plan for you
Oh, lord, it's not gonna be incomprehensible like the Cylon's Plan was, is it???
/;)
| 815 |
The Left Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:53:17pm |
| 816 |
albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:53:54pm |
re: #813 Cato the Elder
Perhaps.
I prefer the answer I get from Dog.
yup, no words either...just a vibe from the heart, much more simple
| 817 |
goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:54:08pm |
| 818 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:54:08pm |
re: #812 albusteve
God has a plan for you
And that plan is to make Hippies suffer with the power of Slayer.
| 819 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:54:40pm |
re: #808 iceweasel
Depends what you mean by 'awareness', i would say, if I wanted to give you a hard time. :)
Consciousness isn't explained, -- yet -- and it's always possible that the answer to it is one which we're cognitively closed to, just as the armadillo is cognitively closed w/r/t quantum mechanics.
We have just enough intelligence to formulate some questions, but are they even the right ones? And could we understand the answer even if we found it?
If human beings are the product of nature, so too is our intelligence. We're extremely adept at understanding some things-- the natural world being one. But why should we suppose that same intelligence is properly formed to answer all questions about the natural world? Or even all questions we can gesture at?Our own consciousness could well be the 'blind spot' in human intelligence, an eye that cannot be turned back upon itself. No supernatural being required.
In the end the human mind is limited. However, even with its limitations its a rather powerful machine in itself. We may not in the long run be able to fully understand the meaning of life or how this all came about from the great vacuum of space but the fact that we endeavor to understand it through philosophizing and science itself is rather extraordinary. That itself is said to be a survival mechanism and the fact that we asked those questions and often answered them to the best of our ability is what helped and helps us survive. Sometimes when I do look out in space I think to myself, yes, we are alone, but look at how many of our fellow human beings we have to interact with here on Earth.
| 820 |
jotalot Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:54:48pm |
holycrap how come folks can't just be curious about themselves and/or the stuff around them? nothing mystical or odd or even very interesting about that.......is there?
| 821 |
Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:54:53pm |
Well, Cat Ballou, my first love, just rode off into the sunset.
Remember this, O friends:
There are no atheists in vampire cellars.
| 822 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:55:14pm |
re: #816 albusteve
yup, no words either...just a vibe from the heart, much more simple
I pick up a demonic miasma from my cat...
| 823 |
albusteve Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:56:04pm |
re: #821 Cato the Elder
Well, Cat Ballou, my first love, just rode off into the sunset.
Remember this, O friends:
There are no atheists in vampire cellars.
or foxholes
| 824 |
Gus Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:56:05pm |
re: #821 Cato the Elder
Well, Cat Ballou, my first love, just rode off into the sunset.
Remember this, O friends:
There are no atheists in vampire cellars.
There are atheists in Cato cellars. ;)
| 825 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:57:04pm |
re: #820 jotalot
holycrap how come folks can't just be curious about themselves and/or the stuff around them? nothing mystical or odd or even very interesting about that...is there?
I find it all very interesting. In fact, it's far more interesting to consider that this all wasn't intelligently created at all. When people say 'God did it', it takes all the fun out of it.
;)
| 826 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:57:55pm |
re: #821 Cato the Elder
Well, Cat Ballou, my first love, just rode off into the sunset.
Remember this, O friends:
There are no atheists in vampire cellars.
That depends: Are they scary Dracula-type vampires, or wimpy Emo Twlight types?
| 828 |
keloyd Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:58:27pm |
re: #804 Slumbering Behemoth
1. Struggling is the answer.
2. The original editors made a point to tell us it was a made-up story in the first line.
"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job..."
It is set in a fictitious location. "Uz" may mean "to the east" or just be made up. The story can be true without being true, and many Church denominations gloss over this. If suffering is a consequence of existence, why not retell the therapeutic stories that are , at the least, the consensus of the accumulated wisdom of humanity's 30 something centuries of experience.
| 829 |
Varek Raith Sat, Feb 27, 2010 11:59:00pm |
re: #826 Dark_Falcon
That depends: Are they scary Dracula-type vampires, or wimpy Emo Twlight types?
Cato can keep the emo vampires, for all I care.
;)
| 831 |
Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:01:03am |
re: #825 Varek Raith
I find it all very interesting. In fact, it's far more interesting to consider that this all wasn't intelligently created at all. When people say 'God did it', it takes all the fun out of it.
;)
I'm still stuck on my thoughts about the void. It reminded me of some vaguely familiar themes in the Twilight Zone. Not knowing does add to the allure or the mystery.
| 832 |
jotalot Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:02:21am |
re: #831 Gus 802
I'm still stuck on my thoughts about the void. It reminded me of some vaguely familiar themes in the Twilight Zone. Not knowing does add to the allure or the mystery.
Please don't start with the Twilight Zone.....i'm so very tired...and now I can only think of my favorite episodes! BAD GUS
| 833 |
Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:02:39am |
re: #831 Gus 802
I'm still stuck on my thoughts about the void. It reminded me of some vaguely familiar themes in the Twilight Zone. Not knowing does add to the allure or the mystery.
Indeed. This may seem odd to some but, do you know what I would love most of all? To leave this planet and just wander around the Universe.
| 834 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:02:56am |
re: #826 Dark_Falcon
That depends: Are they scary Dracula-type vampires, or wimpy Emo Twlight types?
If it's the latter, then I say the vampire cellar should be full of neither theists nor atheists, but anti-theists, as no just god would allow such abominations to be.
| 835 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:05:25am |
re: #834 Slumbering Behemoth
If it's the latter, then I say the vampire cellar should be full of neither theists nor atheists, but anti-theists, as no just god would allow such abominations to be.
LOL!
| 836 |
The Left Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:05:32am |
re: #834 Slumbering Behemoth
If it's the latter, then I say the vampire cellar should be full of neither theists nor atheists, but anti-theists, as no just god would allow such abominations to be.
I just reread Richard Matheson's novel I Am Legend, which is very different from either Omega Man or the remake. Highly recommend for all sci-fi folks, especially the classic sci-fi peeps.
(It's bit infected with misogyny, but it's just of its time, really)
| 837 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:05:56am |
re: #828 keloyd
Not satisfactory. If we begin with the premise that it is a fictional story, why make god seem like such a dick? What is the point?
| 838 |
Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:06:50am |
re: #833 Varek Raith
Indeed. This may seem odd to some but, do you know what I would love most of all? To leave this planet and just wander around the Universe.
It would. Being a child of the space program one of the first words out my mouth was "I want to be an astronaut." Of course that never came to be but aeronautics and space always fascinated me. That we as a culture, humankind, isn't pursuing space travel and space colonization with more energy is something that I find perplexing. Perhaps I'm complaining to much since what we have accomplished so far in the past 100 years has been a giant leap.
| 839 |
The Left Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:09:36am |
re: #833 Varek Raith
Indeed. This may seem odd to some but, do you know what I would love most of all? To leave this planet and just wander around the Universe.
I would love that, but what I would really love would be to live for a very long time. Think how much the world has changed in just the last 100 years. Hell, the last 50. I want to see where humans wind up 100 years from now, 200, 500.
Without aging, of course. That would suck.
| 840 |
Aye Pod Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:09:48am |
re: #825 Varek Raith
I find it all very interesting. In fact, it's far more interesting to consider that this all wasn't intelligently created at all. When people say 'God did it', it takes all the fun out of it.
;)
I think the idea that all this around us and inside us exists without the intervention of a supernatural being to 'plant' it there in what would otherwise have been a lifeless void is not only almost certainly true but also awesome in the full sense of the word.
| 841 |
Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:09:56am |
re: #837 Slumbering Behemoth
Not satisfactory. If we begin with the premise that it is a fictional story, why make god seem like such a dick? What is the point?
I'll go out on a slight limb here. For being such an advanced entity that "created" the universe he sure seemed to be stuck on the archaic desert culture themes.
| 842 |
Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:12:01am |
re: #839 iceweasel
I would love that, but what I would really love would be to live for a very long time. Think how much the world has changed in just the last 100 years. Hell, the last 50. I want to see where humans wind up 100 years from now, 200, 500.
Without aging, of course. That would suck.
Heh, sign me up for extended life treatments! We'll start with a few thousand years and, as time progresses, move that up to a few hundred thousand years! I'm utterly serious...or crazy...or both.
:)
| 843 |
Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:12:13am |
I created the supernova and black holes! Let's talk about incestuous relationships between desert nomads.
/
| 844 |
Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:12:36am |
re: #843 Gus 802
I created the supernova and black holes! Let's talk about incestuous relationships between desert nomads.
/
Rofl..
| 845 |
keloyd Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:12:54am |
re: #837 Slumbering Behemoth
Begin with the premise that life is a series of crap that happens, and was even worse back in the day. Religion must adapt to the circumstances, not the other way around...which doesn't really talk anyone out of being an atheist.
Oh. here's a novel arguement I remember from my youth - lots of parts of the Bible are just difficult, or needlessly cruel, or otherwise appear flawed. If humanity wrote it, why make the Almighty act like he does in Job? Why not write the story where He acts with mercy and justice? The difficult or illogical or inexplicable bits prove we didn't just make it up. Why make it up so badly?
Past that I got nothin.
| 846 |
The Left Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:13:20am |
re: #843 Gus 802
I created the supernova and black holes! Let's talk about incestuous relationships between desert nomads.
/
See those tasty sea critters I made? Don't eat them!
Or that apple, either. /
| 847 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:14:24am |
re: #841 Gus 802
My takeaway from the story is much the same as the clip I linked: Take your lumps, STFU, and quit asking difficult, theological questions.
"Because I am your dad spiritual leader and I said so!"
| 848 |
Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:14:36am |
re: #846 iceweasel
See those tasty sea critters I made? Don't eat them!
Or that apple, either. /
You see a talking snake? I want what you're smoking!
| 849 |
Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:14:52am |
re: #846 iceweasel
See those tasty sea critters I made? Don't eat them!
Or that apple, either. /
You would think that Moses would have come out with an Ipod App instead of stone tablets.
| 850 |
Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:16:47am |
re: #849 Gus 802
You would think that Moses would have come out with an Ipod App instead of stone tablets.
And what's with cursing a tree???
/
| 851 |
The Left Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:17:08am |
re: #849 Gus 802
You would think that Moses would have come out with an Ipod App instead of stone tablets.
I bring you these 15-- I mean 10-- commandments...
| 852 |
Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:17:44am |
re: #850 Varek Raith
And what's with cursing a tree???
/
The humans couldn't understand the physics of a quasar at the time. So he chose a cursing tree instead.
| 853 |
The Left Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:18:20am |
re: #848 Varek Raith
You see a talking snake? I want what you're smoking!
I thought it was a caterpillar..
| 854 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:19:38am |
re: #845 keloyd
Not satisfactory.
If humanity wrote it, why make the Almighty act like he does in Job? Why not write the story where He acts with mercy and justice? The difficult or illogical or inexplicable bits prove we didn't just make it up. Why make it up so badly?
I believe one answer to that can be found in my #847. My contention is that it was made up so badly to prevent people from leaving the church and taking their money with them asking difficult questions that have no logical answers, and thus possibly questioning their faith.
| 855 |
Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:19:52am |
re: #851 iceweasel
I bring you these 15-- I mean 10-- commandments...
[Video]
Somewhere in South Carolina a GOP state congressman is looking for the 15th Commandment.
/
| 856 |
Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:22:14am |
I can't find a vid of Moses Griffin...:(
Commandment #1 Shut the hell up,
Commandment #2 There's nothing I can do about the sun,
Commandment #3 There are no more Jolly Ranchers they're all gone, Commandment #4 When we pass a bill board, please don't read it out loud
:)
| 857 |
The Left Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:22:52am |
re: #855 Gus 802
Somewhere in South Carolina a GOP state congressman is looking for the 15th Commandment.
/
Well, they know what the 11th commandment is!
Your comment about the tree gives me an idea for a new anti-WestboroProtest sign: "God Hates Figs".
I'm sure it must have been done.
| 858 |
Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:23:35am |
re: #851 iceweasel
I bring you these 15-- I mean 10-- commandments...
[Video]
But yeah. On a slightly serious note. Back then there were serious injustices going on with the human population. Slavery, poverty beyond words, castes, disease, blindness, etc. With all that going on in those primitive days Moses comes back with something about "thou shalt not covet they neighbors wife." Sounds a little elitist to me.
| 859 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:24:32am |
re: #855 Gus 802
"Thou shalt not treat men who lie with men as equals."
/good thing there is no mention of admonishing women who lie with women...
| 860 |
Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:25:07am |
re: #857 iceweasel
Well, they know what the 11th commandment is!
Your comment about the tree gives me an idea for a new anti-WestboroProtest sign: "God Hates Figs".
I'm sure it must have been done.
| 862 |
Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:27:28am |
re: #859 Slumbering Behemoth
"Thou shalt not treat men who lie with men as equals."
/good thing there is no mention of admonishing women who lie with women...
We shall smite them with thine sword!
Be right back, I have to go make another galaxy. When I come back, I want to know who all of the homosexuals are.
/
| 863 |
Aye Pod Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:27:58am |
re: #841 Gus 802
I'll go out on a slight limb here. For being such an advanced entity that "created" the universe he sure seemed to be stuck on the archaic desert culture themes.
God waited about 200,000 years from the time humans came on the scene before delivering his message to mankind, but took care to make sure he did it before the beginning of properly recorded history a mere couple of thousand years later. If he'd only waited a little while longer it could all have been put down on dvd.
| 864 |
Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:28:09am |
Yep, busy making planets while worrying about who was gay on planet Earth. Uh huh.
| 865 |
Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:28:56am |
re: #863 Jimmah
God waited about 200,000 years from the time humans came on the scene before delivering his message to mankind, but took care to make sure he did it before the beginning of properly recorded history a mere couple of thousand years later. If he'd only waited a little while longer it could all have been put down on dvd.
Blu Ray!
/
| 866 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:29:39am |
Goodnight all. Talk to you again before I head to work.
| 867 |
Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:29:40am |
re: #862 Gus 802
We shall smite them with thine sword!
Be right back, I have to go make another galaxy. When I come back, I want to know who all of the homosexuals are.
/
Let's be honest, here. If any of us were a god, would we really care about the minor details that our creations engage in? Gays, who cares? I've got another Globular Cluster ;) to create!
| 868 |
The Left Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:30:26am |
re: #859 Slumbering Behemoth
"Thou shalt not treat men who lie with men as equals."
/good thing there is no mention of admonishing women who lie with women...
That's actually another serious issue-- in human history you'll find lots of attention paid to teh dangers of male homosexuality, but hardly any mention of female. It was basically invisible to law makers and culture warriors.
This is still true now. Look at FistGate and the virulent homophobia pouring out of the right. It's all focussed on male homosexuals and male homosexual sexual acts, obsessively so. When there's any bashing of gay women done, it's mixed up with general misogyny-- the idea that all feminists are ugly women who can't get men (rush) or that gay women are about convincing hetero women to have abortions (falwell et al.)
| 869 |
Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:30:26am |
re: #866 Dark_Falcon
Goodnight all. Talk to you again before I head to work.
Night, hope everything works out at...uh, work!
| 870 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:30:31am |
re: #857 iceweasel
And as far as the 11th commandment goes, I shall have none of it. If a close friend or family member is fuckin' up, or just plain acting wrong, I say so because I care about them.
Same goes with my political party. If I don't like what I see, I am going to say so.
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Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:31:57am |
re: #867 Varek Raith
Let's be honest, here. If any of us were a god, would we really care about the minor details that our creations engage in? Gays, who cares? I've got another Globular Cluster ;) to create!
I sure wouldn't. I could at least be showing them how to design a turbojet engine or maybe even how to make penicillin. I'm sure you know the true intent of that anyway which was essentially an archaic form of governance.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:32:54am |
re: #864 Gus 802
Yep, busy making planets while worrying about who was gay on planet Earth. Uh huh.
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Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:32:56am |
re: #871 Gus 802
I sure wouldn't. I could at least be showing them how to design a turbojet engine or maybe even how to make penicillin. I'm sure you know the true intent of that anyway which was essentially an archaic form of governance.
Indeed.
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Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:34:09am |
re: #864 Gus 802
Yep, busy making planets while worrying about who was gay on planet Earth. Uh huh.
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| 875 |
Aye Pod Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:34:40am |
re: #865 Gus 802
Blu Ray!
/
Certainly beats increasingly-hard-to-believe-as-time-goes-by stories in an ancient book as a recording medium :)
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keloyd Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:34:49am |
re: #854 Slumbering Behemoth
1. That works too.
2. That's a smart move if we assume humanity was in charge of writing and retelling the story.
How much ink and blood has been shed by factions having flame wars, or the real kind, about theological minutae? "Shut up, boy, an don't ask stupid questions" covers a great deal.
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Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:35:33am |
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:36:31am |
re: #837 Slumbering Behemoth
Not satisfactory. If we begin with the premise that it is a fictional story, why make god seem like such a dick? What is the point?
To try and explain the human condition. Why are Zeus and Apollo and Poseidon such cock-knockers? Because the ancients knew that their deities were their deities, fully representing their most petty rivalries and shortcomings.
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Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:36:55am |
re: #875 Jimmah
Certainly beats increasingly-hard-to-believe-as-time-goes-by stories in an ancient book as a recording medium :)
I hope 5000 years from now they're still not referring to it.
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Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:38:20am |
re: #879 Gus 802
I hope 5000 years from now they're still not referring to it.
Two words.
Robot. Jesus.
| 881 |
Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:39:35am |
Interesting, a possible AGW denier upstairs.
| 882 |
Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:40:54am |
re: #880 Varek Raith
Two words.
Robot. Jesus.
Yeah. Meanwhile we have Dominionists, Gary North, and the rest of the cranks. People that want to revert to the pre-Civil War days. But I digress.
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Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:41:37am |
re: #882 Gus 802
Yeah. Meanwhile we have Dominionists, Gary North, and the rest of the cranks. People that want to revert to the pre-Civil War days. But I digress.
Frustrating as hell, it is.
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The Left Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:42:08am |
re: #878 goddamnedfrank
To try and explain the human condition. Why are Zeus and Apollo and Poseidon such cock-knockers? Because the ancients knew that their deities were their deities, fully representing their most petty rivalries and shortcomings.
Extra upding if I could for 'cock-knockers'.
But recall that the arguments against portraying the gods 'as the poets do' start with Plato at least. (or socrates). Lots of fulminating against portraying the gods as less than perfect, or as subject to human appetites and such. Def in the Republic, but elsewhere too.
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keloyd Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:42:51am |
re: #879 Gus 802
I hope 5000 years from now they're still not referring to it.
We are hard wired to split into factions and fight. I guarantee we will be in the same boat whether religion goes the way of astrology or if we keep it as a figurative, allegorical, literary, cultural heritage.
My Reformed Orthodox Presby-Sunni-Tao-Lutheran great x 200 grandchildren will gird their loins and crush your descendants into dust...unless your kids do it first.
| 886 |
Gus Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:46:25am |
re: #885 keloyd
We are hard wired to split into factions and fight. I guarantee we will be in the same boat whether religion goes the way of astrology or if we keep it as a figurative, allegorical, literary, cultural heritage.
My Reformed Orthodox Presby-Sunni-Tao-Lutheran great x 200 grandchildren will gird their loins and crush your descendants into dust...unless your kids do it first.
True. Man as beast regardless of theology. Maybe my point was more one of equal time.
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The Left Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:48:38am |
re: #881 Varek Raith
Interesting, a possible AGW denier upstairs.
The class of 2004 continues to hatch, like larvae or cicadas. cicadae?
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keloyd Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:55:42am |
I sympathize with the AGW deniers. If 3/4 of what you see on tv on this is hollywood types and Al Gore flying in private jets and living like kings, then waggling their finger about 'settled science' they don't understand, then Al Gore gets several things wrong/dishonest in his little presentation, I too would be a doubter. When is that crowd right about anything else?
For the record, I am certain the earth is warming and pretty certain humanity is materially contributing to the increase. Patience!
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The Left Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:55:45am |
re: #888 Slumbering Behemoth
Or Teabaggin'.
Exactly. Like fisting, they're obsessed with the notion that this is an exclusively gay male sexual act. Buh?
| 891 |
Varek Raith Sun, Feb 28, 2010 12:59:49am |
re: #889 keloyd
Reading what the deniers use to 'refute' AGW certainly demonstrates that they most certainly do not understand AGW. That, and Gore is a red herring. If they can't get passed that, well...
| 892 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Feb 28, 2010 1:11:43am |
re: #885 keloyd
By that time, all will be following the Orange Catholic Bible, forswearing all disfigurement of the soul.
| 893 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Feb 28, 2010 1:42:23am |
re: #890 iceweasel
For many folks from all walks of life, anything that veers from their personal, and often narrowly defined norm is considered deviant and perverted.
An example would be oral sex between one man and one woman, even in marriage, by some considered to be an illegal abomination labeled as sodomy.
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The Left Sun, Feb 28, 2010 1:48:00am |
re: #893 Slumbering Behemoth
For many folks from all walks of life, anything that veers from their personal, and often narrowly defined norm is considered deviant and perverted.
An example would be oral sex between one man and one woman, even in marriage, by some considered to be an illegal abomination labeled as sodomy.
By something like 20 states until Lawrence v TX.
And still considered such by homophobe Ryan Sorba at CPAC. Some funny shit came out about that-- I assume it was posted.
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