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1 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:46:11pm

Hi, all. How are things tonight?

2 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:49:04pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Hi, all. How are things tonight?

Pretty good for a Tuesday.

3 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:53:09pm

Who knew worm holes were made of wood?

4 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:53:55pm

Whoa! Allen West is a Wizard:

My statement to the United Nations would have been, "The future does not belong to those who attack our Embassies and Consulates and kill our Ambassadors. The Angel of Death in the form of an American Bald Eagle will visit you and wreak havoc and destruction upon your existence."

5 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:54:34pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Whoa! Allen West is a Wizard:

War criminal says what?

6 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:55:18pm

Ryan! Ryan! Ryan!

Youtube Video

Gotta love how insecure Mittens is.

7 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:55:58pm

This "UnSkewed polls" stuff has given me an idea: How about "UnSkewed Football Scores"?

If someone would like to design me a better logo, I would be most grateful!

8 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:56:50pm

I'm currently educating a friend of mine about the music of both Ben Folds and Ben Folds Five. She remembers hearing "Brick" on the radio and loved the new song because of the video with the Fraggles and she wants to hear more.

This is probably the most fun tutoring session I've had in ages. XD

9 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:56:51pm

2012: A House Odyssey

"It's full of planks!"

Amazing stuff Charles. Thanks for posting it.

10 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:57:56pm

re: #6 darthstar

Ryan! Ryan! Ryan!

[Embedded content]

Gotta love how insecure Mittens is.

vandalia

how come the vandals get their own town? where is visigothia?

11 jaunte  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:58:22pm

I really need to make something out of all those odd pieces of wood in the garage.

12 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:59:09pm

But it was also clear that Mr. Romney's aides were worried how the campaign was faring with six weeks until the election: Mr. Ryan and Mr. Romney will campaign together more in coming weeks, an aide said.

In normal circumstances, that might be seen as inefficient, since the No. 2 is often used to cover more ground and to level the more aggressive attacks against the opponent.

But having them campaign together more suggested that aides feared that Mr. Romney, on his own, was not generating enough attention and excitement.

13 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:00:22pm

re: #12 darthstar

[Embedded content]

You mean having a candidate who's dull as a post isn't lighting the base afire? Inconceivable!

14 Gus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:00:44pm

HRES 789 IH

112th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. RES. 789

Reaffirming the importance of religion in the lives of United States citizens and their freedom to exercise those beliefs peacefully.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
September 19, 2012

...

Whereas a Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey from 2007 shows that 92 percent of United States citizens believe in God and 78.4 percent identify themselves with Christianity;

...

Whereas a 2006 to 2007 study by the Association of Religion Data Archives shows that 30.3 percent of religious people perform charity work, and of that 30.3 percent, 75.9 percent are part of Christian congregations: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives--

(1) reaffirms the importance of religion in the lives of United States citizens and their freedom to exercise those beliefs peacefully;

(2) recognizes that Judeo-Christian heritage has played a strong role in the development of the United States and in the lives of many of the Nation’s citizens;

(3) rejects efforts to remove evidence of Judeo-Christian heritage and references to God from public structures and resources; and

(4) expresses support for preserving the freedom to exercise religious beliefs in the United States.

15 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:02:11pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Whoa! Allen West is a Wizard:

Last paragraph:

Broadly speaking, I agree with Rep. West that the role this dotty little video played in all of the intense anger has been largely overstated. But it doesn't cost us much to simply say that we, as a nation, do not agree with the obscene viewpoints expressed therein -- hopefully, we don't. (If West does agree with them, he should nut up and say so.) But it sort of doesn't help anyone to express a viewpoint that comes off as substantially more brutal-minded than the Ezekiel 25:17 recitative from "Pulp Fiction." Try, real hard, to be the shepherd, Ringo.

I know that "Ringo" refers to a character in Pulp Fiction, but I'm going to use the name as an older reference:

Youtube Video
16 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:02:18pm

re: #14 Gus

HRES 789 IH

112th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. RES. 789

WHAT First Amendment?

///

17 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:02:43pm

[Link: www.270towin.com...]


Obama has 96% chance of winning

18 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:03:02pm

re: #17 SpaceJesus

[Link: www.270towin.com...]

Obama has 96% chance of winning

CNN doesn't agree.

19 Gus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:03:45pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

WHAT First Amendment?

///

Seriously. And it's basically Christian supremacy with a few of your typical pandering hyphenation of Judeo added to it.

20 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:03:46pm

"If Stench calls, take a message." - Paul Ryan about Mitt Romney.

Now they're campaigning together more, which really has to piss off Ryan as he also needs some time on his own to protect his seat in Congress.

21 jaunte  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:04:26pm

re: #14 Gus

Jacob Neusner: "Theologically and historically, there is no such thing as the Judeo-Christian tradition. It's a secular myth favoured by people who are not really believers themselves."
[Link: www.jacobneusner.com...]

22 Gus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:04:38pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

WHAT First Amendment?

///

Atheists condemn House resolution to reaffirm importance of religion

23 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:04:55pm

re: #20 darthstar

"If Stench calls, take a message." - Paul Ryan about Mitt Romney.

Now they're campaigning together more, which really has to piss off Ryan as he also needs some time on his own to protect his seat in Congress.

That would be fraking hilarious, if Ryan lost his seat in addition to the vice presidency.

24 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:05:09pm

re: #14 Gus

*sigh*

I'd say something about that, but I'm in a good mood because of the cool tunes I'm listening to.

25 Aligarr  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:05:11pm

the video's abit claustrophobic .

26 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:05:33pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Whoa! Allen West is a Wizard:

Yep, no better way to settle pissed off people down that think you are out to destroy them and their way of life than to threaten to destroy them.

27 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:06:05pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

That would be fraking hilarious, if Ryan lost his seat in addition to the vice presidency.

Cough

28 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:06:51pm

re: #26 Eventual Carrion

Yep, no better way to settle pissed off people down that think you are out to destroy them and their way of life than to threaten to destroy them.

"Once you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."

One would think we got rid of that philosophy after we were sent packing from Vietnam.

29 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:07:16pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

CNN doesn't agree.

CNN is also interested in the election being a close race because they want ratings. Why would anyone watch their drivel if the race was a done deal?

30 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:07:25pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

CNN doesn't agree.

CNN hires people like Erick Ericksion.

31 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:07:52pm

re: #27 bratwurst

Cough

I'll have to hold off til Friday, my wallet's a little light right now.

32 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:08:21pm

Wait...
Was that the Recombinant DNA of a house?

33 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:09:14pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

"Once you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."

One would think we got rid of that philosophy after we were sent packing from Vietnam.

Allen West's atitude towards dealing with a hostile force of people can be described as "If brute force doesn't work, you haven't used enough of it!". In some kinds of battle that can work, although often at high cost. But COIN operations are not one of those kinds. They require finesse that seem to be beyond him.

34 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:10:25pm
35 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:10:25pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Allen West's atitude towards dealing with a hostile force of people can be described as "If brute force doesn't work, you haven't used enough of it!". In some kinds of battle that can work, although often at high cost. But COIN operations are not one of those kinds. They require finesse that seem to be beyond him.

In COIN, brute force is counter-productive. All you do is convince the insurgents of the validity of their cause, while creating a steady supply of converts for them via collateral damage.

36 Gus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:10:35pm

re: #30 darthstar

CNN hires people like Erick Ericksion.

And Dana Loesch...

Then there was Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs.

37 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:10:37pm

re: #30 darthstar

CNN hires people like Erick Ericksion.

And Dana Loesch.

38 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:10:39pm

re: #30 darthstar

CNN hires people like Erick Ericksion.

Don't make me go Magical Balance Fairy on your ass, Darth!

39 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:11:04pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Don't make me go Magical Balance Fairy on your ass, Darth!

MBF's union. She went on strike for higher wages.

40 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:11:28pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Don't make me go Magical Balance Fairy on your ass, Darth!

Okay, okay...Fox has Alan Colmes.
And MSNBC has Joe Scarborough.

41 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:11:48pm

re: #22 Gus

Atheists condemn House resolution to reaffirm importance of religion

Laser-like focus on jobs!

;)

42 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:12:20pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

In COIN, brute force is counter-productive. All you do is convince the insurgents of the validity of their cause, while creating a steady supply of converts for them via collateral damage.

I know this, but it seems like the Congressman from Florida does not.

43 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:13:05pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

MBF's union. She went on strike for higher wages.

Yep. She's chosen to Occupy the nearest recliner with a drink that has one of those little umbrellas in it and a box of chocolates at her side. After the election is over, she might think about negotiating a deal.

44 jaunte  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:13:31pm

Going rogue!

Paul Ryan vs. The Stench

Even before the stench article appeared, there was a strong sign that Ryan was freeing himself from the grips of the Romney campaign. It began after his disastrous appearance on Friday before AARP in New Orleans. Ryan delivered his remarks in the style dictated by his Romney handlers: Stand behind the lectern, read the speech as written and don’t stray from the script.

Ryan brought his 78-year-old mother with him and introduced her to the audience, which is usually a sure crowd pleaser.

But when Ryan began talking about repealing “Obamacare” because he said it would harm seniors, one woman in the crowd shouted, “Lie!” Another shouted “Liar!” and the crowd booed Ryan lustily.

45 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:13:31pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

MBF's union. She went on strike for higher wages.

Ah, the incompetence of the replacement MBF explains the polls not being able to show Obama and Romney tied.

46 Gus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:13:34pm
47 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:13:38pm

Got home and spent the last 2 hours fixing the kids' laptop. I fricking hate malware.

48 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:13:46pm
49 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:14:13pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

MBF's union. She went on strike for higher wages.

She can take that quarrel up with Tinkerbell.

50 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:14:46pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

I know this, but it seems like the Congressman from Florida does not.

That's because the man's an idiot. The only reason he's not doing a stretch at Leavenworth is because the Army didn't want the trouble of putting a lt. colonel on trial for war crimes.

51 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:15:01pm

re: #47 Kragar

Got home and spent the last 2 hours fixing the kids' laptop. I fricking hate malware.

Put Ubuntu or SUSE on their laptops. They'll get used to it. They only use the browser anyway, and Google Docs has word processors, spreadsheets, etc. so you don't need that Microsoft Office crap.

52 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:15:09pm

Lil Wayne takes a videotaped deposition, hilarity ensues

[Link: gawker.com...]

53 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:15:40pm

Dark_Falcon - you downdinged Ann's horse? For shame!

54 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:16:41pm

Libertarian Nominee Gary Johnson Fights Zombies In Web Video

Youtube Video
55 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:16:52pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

That's because the man's an idiot. The only reason he's not doing a stretch at Leavenworth is because the Army didn't want the trouble of putting a lt. colonel on trial for war crimes.

That and the risk of not getting a conviction. If they'd brought him to trial then lost (for whatever reason), much of the world would have seen it as an open injustice;.

56 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:17:10pm

re: #52 SpaceJesus

Lil Wayne takes a videotaped deposition, hilarity ensues

[Link: gawker.com...]

Lil Wayne creeps me out. Now I know why.
Creepy Lil fucker.

57 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:17:11pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

She can take that quarrel up with Tinkerbell.

Tinkerbell's union too. Disney has employee unions.

58 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:17:40pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

That and the risk of not getting a conviction. If they'd brought him to trial then lost (for whatever reason), much of the world would have seen it as an open injustice;.

Indeed. So apparently the better choice was to let him off with a slap on the wrist and retirement with full benefits.

Yegods.

59 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:18:05pm

re: #57 Lidane

Tinkerbell's union too. Disney has employee unions.

And they support health care for same-sex couples in their employ.

60 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:18:28pm

re: #57 Lidane

Tinkerbell's union too. Disney has employee unions.

No, Tink's been Head Fairy for a few years now, and that's a management position. She's not an active member of the union anymore.

61 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:18:31pm

re: #51 darthstar

Put Ubuntu or SUSE on their laptops. They'll get used to it. They only use the browser anyway, and Google Docs has word processors, spreadsheets, etc. so you don't need that Microsoft Office crap.

Except the software I need to use when I take it to play 40k needs windows to run.

62 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:18:31pm

re: #54 Kragar

Libertarian Nominee Gary Johnson Fights Zombies In Web Video

[Embedded content]

I still think they should let Johnson and his VP sit in on the debates. If nothing else, he might find plenty of willing converts and build up support for third party candidates.

63 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:18:55pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Indeed. So apparently the better choice was to let him off with a slap on the wrist and retirement with full benefits.

Yegods.

And let his crazy ass run for office.
Great !

64 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:19:01pm

re: #45 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Ah, the incompetence of the replacement MBF explains the polls not being able to show Obama and Romney tied.

The replacement MBF is about as skilled as the refs for last night's game. =P

65 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:19:11pm

re: #52 SpaceJesus

Lil Wayne takes a videotaped deposition, hilarity ensues

[Link: gawker.com...]

Lil Wayne is to music as Uwe Boll is to directing.

66 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:19:49pm

re: #65 Kragar

Lil Wayne is to music as Uwe Boll is to directing.

Speaking of men who should be on trial for crimes against humanity...

67 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:20:11pm

re: #61 Kragar

Except the software I need to use when I take it to play 40k needs windows to run.

Just put a windows virtual machine on it. Tell the kids they can use Firefox on the linux box.

68 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:21:30pm

Gary Johnson is a religious right fanatic masquerading as a hip anti-war libertarian. Look into his associations with the Consititution Party for starters.

69 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:22:44pm

re: #67 darthstar

Just put a windows virtual machine on it. Tell the kids they can use Firefox on the linux box.

When I get home from working IT security all day, I don't want to mess around with more computer setup stuff

70 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:22:51pm

More on Paul Ryan vs. "The Stench"

[Link: www.politico.com...]

“I hate to say this, but if Ryan wants to run for national office again, he’ll probably have to wash the stench of Romney off of him,” Craig Robinson, a former political director of the Republican Party of Iowa, told The New York Times on Sunday.

snip...

Though Ryan had already decided to distance himself from the floundering Romney campaign, he now feels totally uninhibited. Reportedly, he has been marching around his campaign bus, saying things like, “If Stench calls, take a message” and “Tell Stench I’m having finger sandwiches with Peggy Noonan and will text him later.”

I love that last one...finger sandwiches with Peggy Noonan. Ryan's funny!

71 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:25:36pm

re: #44 jaunte

Going rogue!

Paul Ryan vs. The Stench

I don't want to think about Florida Seniors doing anything lustily.

72 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:26:13pm

Going to go watch the Avengers now, BBL

73 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:27:38pm

Judeo-Christian heritage

the purpose of including us hebrews here is i think to mask the blatant appeal for the establishment of christianity

74 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:27:41pm

re: #72 Kragar

Going to go watch the Avengers now, BBL

Gotta find some way to get my folks to sit down and watch the movies leading up to The Avengers. Oy.

75 erik_t  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:27:57pm

re: #70 darthstar

More on Paul Ryan vs. "The Stench"

[Link: www.politico.com...]

I'm giggling uncontrollably. Is there a worse possible nickname that could still be printed in a newspaper?

76 SteveMcG  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:28:18pm

That was a touchdown! Both players have their hands on the ball when they are in the air, but the Seahawk player's feet touched the ground first. According to the NFL rulebook, the player has to secure the ball in his hands or arms AND touch the ground with both feet inbounds or any part of his body other than his hands. Of course, the refs blew the pass interference, but as far as the replay is concerned, the TD should count.

77 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:28:34pm

re: #72 Kragar

Going to go watch the Avengers now, BBL

"PUNY GOD!" Heh.

Mark Ruffalo's take on Bruce Banner is fantastic. I hope they do a new Hulk film with him at some point.

78 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:29:11pm

Paul Ryan vs. "The Stench"...
It's worse than it looks.

Sounds like a SyFy movie that I refuse to watch.

79 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:29:27pm

re: #76 SteveMcG

It was an interception. Watch the video again.

The scab refs blew it.

80 SteveMcG  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:30:28pm

Ryan really had to go out of his way to call Mitt "Stench". He had to know it's gonna get out, but he must have been beyond caring.

81 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:30:30pm

re: #77 Lidane

"PUNY GOD!" Heh.

Mark Ruffalo's take on Bruce Banner is fantastic. I hope they do a new Hulk film with him at some point.

Only thing better than that is when he punched Thor. Just *BAM!*

82 Digital Display  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:30:49pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

CNN doesn't agree.

I've been saying for ages that the only thing that matters this year is the debates. Whoever crushes the other is the next POTUS. Period.
I think Obama will do just fine..But never underestimate your foe. Don't forget, Mitt is like Gordon Geko from Wall Street. Smooth operator.

83 erik_t  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:31:27pm

re: #76 SteveMcG

According to the NFL rulebook, the player has to secure the ball in his hands or arms

Charitably, Tate had a hand on the ball.

84 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:32:02pm

re: #82 Digital Display

I've been saying for ages that the only thing that matters this year is the debates. Whoever crushes the other is the next POTUS. Period.
I think Obama will do just fine..But never underestimate your foe. Don't forget, Mitt is like Gordon Geko from Wall Street. Smooth operator.

I think Willard is getting punch drunk. You can see it in his recent appearances before the press, he's not handling his frustration well.

85 SteveMcG  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:32:07pm

I've seen the video a hundred times. I forgot my ipod at Planet Fitness so I was stuck watching SportsCenter. Gates' feet hit the ground first. Touchdown.

86 erik_t  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:32:19pm

re: #82 Digital Display

Don't forget, Mitt is ... Smooth operator.

Not sure if serious. Romney is remarkably less smooth than 2000 Gore.

87 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:32:39pm

re: #82 Digital Display

I've been saying for ages that the only thing that matters this year is the debates. Whoever crushes the other is the next POTUS. Period.
I think Obama will do just fine..But never underestimate your foe. Don't forget, Mitt is like Gordon Geko from Wall Street. Smooth operator.

What has Mitt Romney done recently to prove he is a smooth operator? Was it that he at least didn't insult 47% of America at a public press conference... till he got called on it?

88 SteveMcG  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:33:24pm

re: 83

If all he had was a hand on the ball, the defender would have easily pulled it away. Gates had a firm grip on that ball.

89 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:33:27pm

re: #82 Digital Display

I've been saying for ages that the only thing that matters this year is the debates. Whoever crushes the other is the next POTUS. Period.
I think Obama will do just fine..But never underestimate your foe. Don't forget, Mitt is like Gordon Geko from Wall Street. Smooth operator.

Yeah, but Romney is using Rob Portman as a stand-in for Obama, and says he's great.
That's the opposite of smart and prepared.

90 Mattand  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:34:45pm

re: #70 darthstar

More on Paul Ryan vs. "The Stench"

[Link: www.politico.com...]

I love that last one...finger sandwiches with Peggy Noonan. Ryan's funny!

Assuming all of this is on the level, it is beyond hilarious that for the 2nd election in a row, the GOP candidate has tapped a VP that has gone rouge and will knife him in the back.

91 prairiefire  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:34:48pm

Now everybody is a scab referee!/

92 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:34:50pm

re: #89 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Yeah, but Romney is using Rob Portman as a stand-in for Obama, and says he's great.
That's the opposite of smart and prepared.

In all fairness, Joe Biden is preparing for his debate against Paul Ryan by sparring with Justin Bieber.

93 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:34:50pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

I still think they should let Johnson and his VP sit in on the debates. If nothing else, he might find plenty of willing converts and build up support for third party candidates.

They usually only invite candidates whose support is higher than *.

94 SteveMcG  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:34:57pm

I can't see how Romney can debate well against Obama without abandoning everything he's said the entire campaign.

95 Digital Display  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:35:32pm

re: #76 SteveMcG

That was a touchdown! Both players have their hands on the ball when they are in the air, but the Seahawk player's feet touched the ground first. According to the NFL rulebook, the player has to secure the ball in his hands or arms AND touch the ground with both feet inbounds or any part of his body other than his hands. Of course, the refs blew the pass interference, but as far as the replay is concerned, the TD should count.

Go back and read the rules...For fuck sake 2 billion people watched the replay and you and the NFL front office think it was a catch. The NFL really messed up. I'm fucking pissed that the entire issue could be solved for an extra 20 cents per ticket. They damaged the product and that replay clip will be played forever.

96 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:35:39pm

re: #82 Digital Display

I've been saying for ages that the only thing that matters this year is the debates. Whoever crushes the other is the next POTUS. Period.
I think Obama will do just fine..But never underestimate your foe. Don't forget, Mitt is like Gordon Geko from Wall Street. Smooth operator.

Agreed completely. I think Romney is a formidable debater. I don't want him to win, but I haven't ruled out that he could, and I would be wary about underestimating him.

97 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:35:43pm

re: #94 SteveMcG

I can't see how Romney can debate well against Obama without abandoning everything he's said the entire campaign.

You pretty much just described his campaign to day.

98 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:35:59pm

re: #88 SteveMcG

You're the only person I've seen arguing this. All of the ESPN talking heads I watched today said the exact opposite. The video says the exact opposite.

It was an interception. And even before that, the idiot refs blew the offensive pass interference call that should have ended the game in the first place.

The refs blew it. Simple as that.

99 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:36:19pm

re: #92 darthstar

In all fairness, Joe Biden is preparing for his debate against Paul Ryan by sparring with Justin Bieber.

Scabby MBF fails again...
Biden will be over-prepared !
:)

100 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:36:37pm

re: #98 Lidane

You're the only person I've seen arguing this. All of the ESPN talking heads I watched today said the exact opposite. The video says the exact opposite.

It was an interception. And even before that, the idiot refs blew the offensive pass interference call that should have ended the game in the first place.

The refs blew it. Simple as that.

They should have called offensive interference for the push-off...the interception was irrelevant.

101 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:37:39pm

re: #95 Digital Display

Go back and read the rules...For fuck sake 2 billion people watched the replay and you and the NFL front office think it was a catch. The NFL really messed up. I'm fucking pissed that the entire issue could be solved for an extra 20 cents per ticket. They damaged the product and that replay clip will be played forever.

2 billion people? Must be Republican polling numbers.....

102 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:38:11pm

re: #100 darthstar

They should have called offensive interference for the push-off...the interception was irrelevant.

Exactly. The pass interference should have ended the play and the game no matter what. The fact that they were too stupid to call an interception an interception is just another scab ref fail.

103 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:38:51pm

re: #93 BongCrodny

They usually only invite candidates whose support is higher than *.

Ross Perot could make those things interesting. If he had picked a VP that was still alive he might have made a bigger impact.

104 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:38:57pm

re: #95 Digital Display

Go back and read the rules...For fuck sake 2 billion people watched the replay and you and the NFL front office think it was a catch. The NFL really messed up. I'm fucking pissed that the entire issue could be solved for an extra 20 cents per ticket. They damaged the product and that replay clip will be played forever.

I don't know much about football, but is it possible that some sort of Uber-Coach will over-rule the call on the field at some point down the line?

105 SteveMcG  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:41:39pm

re: 98 Lidane

No doubt about the PI. SOme talking head on ESPN said before the season started that pass interference was going to get out of control. Having said that, I can't understand how everybody is missing the crucial point, and that is the Seahawk player's feet touch the ground first. Just because the defender looks like he has a better grasp of the football, the offensive player meets the criteria of a catch. As soon as he completes that catch in the end zone, the play is over immediately. I think this is a case of everybody hating the temps. They deserve it, to be sure, but I don't think you can guarantee that the regulars would have called it any different. I really would have expected a learning curve for the temps, but they're just as bad now as they were in the preseason.

106 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:41:40pm

re: #104 jamesfirecat

I don't know much about football, but is it possible that some sort of Uber-Coach will over-rule the call on the field at some point down the line?

That is what instant replay is for.

107 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:41:56pm

re: #102 Lidane

Exactly. The pass interference should have ended the play and the game no matter what. The fact that they were too stupid to call an interception an interception is just another scab ref fail.

They're mostly high school football refs...think about it. The pros are so much bigger and faster than high school kids. These guys have to be intimidated as fuck out there.

108 Gus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:42:08pm

Photos: Zeus, World’s Tallest Dog

109 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:43:35pm

re: #108 Gus

Photos: Zeus, World’s Tallest Dog

Clifford is real!

110 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:43:37pm

re: #104 jamesfirecat

I don't know much about football, but is it possible that some sort of Uber-Coach will over-rule the call on the field at some point down the line?

It's going to stand. The NFL has already said they're not going to do anything about it.

I'm not surprised. Admitting that it was a shitty call means admitting that the scab refs are incompetent, which would only bolster the position of the real refs and their union. The owners don't want to do that, so the league is just going to keep up the Baghdad Bob routine about the shitty officiating.

111 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:43:40pm

re: #108 Gus

Photos: Zeus, World’s Tallest Dog

That's one big bag of dog food. Look how happy she is...he must be a humper.

112 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:44:07pm

re: #104 jamesfirecat

I don't know much about football, but is it possible that some sort of Uber-Coach will over-rule the call on the field at some point down the line?

Bill Parcells?

113 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:44:49pm

re: #105 SteveMcG

The Seahawk player doesn't even have a grip on the ball. At best, he's got a single hand on it. The idea that he caught it is wishful thinking at best.

They blew the call. It was an interception. Period.

114 Digital Display  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:44:57pm

re: #101 SidewaysQuark

2 billion people? Must be Republican polling numbers.....

No..The replay has gone global today. Some ESPN guy said probably 2 Billion people saw it. All that matters to me is that 300 million americans saw it and realize the NFL is broke.
Did you know the players are talking about taking a knee Sunday and destroying the season?

115 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:45:43pm

re: #108 Gus

Photos: Zeus, World’s Tallest Dog

Fuck me running, that's not a dog, that's a small horse!

116 jamesfirecat  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:48:13pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

Fuck me running, that's not a dog, that's a small horse!

A pony is a small horse... I've seen ponies that aren't as large as that "dog'.

117 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:48:17pm

re: #108 Gus

Photos: Zeus, World’s Tallest Dog

Not sure about this, but I think he ate that poor woman's feet.

118 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:48:25pm

re: #114 Digital Display

Did you know the players are talking about taking a knee Sunday and destroying the season?

Honestly, I wouldn't blame them if they did. It would be a huge blow to the owners, sure, but it would send a message that the players and coaches have had enough of the scab refs.

This was a division game. The shitty call at the end will likely make a difference at the end of the season if the Packers make it to the playoffs. This isn't the pre-season anymore. These calls matter now.

119 SteveMcG  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:50:06pm

I just checked again. Gates has his hands on the ball and his feet hit first. There's no away around it. Take that, two bilion people!

120 SteveMcG  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:53:20pm

BTW I'm well aware of the pass interference. That's not reviewable. Should have been called. I think the refs got caught up watching the flight of the football. That 'snot the first time I've seen a blown offensive PI.

121 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:54:34pm

If anyone made the right call it was the replay guy. He isn't a replacement ref btw. If the guy on the field had made the wrong call it would have been reversed by the replay guy. Give the replacements a break. They aren't that much worse than the other yo yo's.

It is kind of like the tuck rule game. Everyone thought it was a bad call, but it turned out to be the right call for the rule as the rule is worded. That's how I think this will all settle out.

Lesson for the Cheesehead defensive back because he probably never heard this before from any of his hundreds of coaches since Little League.

KNOCK IT DOWN!

122 Digital Display  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:54:36pm

re: #119 SteveMcG

I just checked again. Gates has his hands on the ball and his feet hit first. There's no away around it. Take that, two bilion people!

Get eyeglasses Steve. Who had possession of the ball? I don't give a damn about who's feet touched first.

123 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:57:22pm

re: #122 Digital Display

Get eyeglasses Steve. Who had possession of the ball? I don't give a damn about who's feet touched first.

What are the rules for simultaneous possession. It definitely looked like the GB player had more possession if that matters.

124 SteveMcG  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:58:36pm

Both players had their hands on the ball. That's posession. That's the rule. Just because it looks like the defender had a better grip doesn't mean the offensive player didn't also have posession. Everybody's so worked up to trash the temps they don't want to resort to reason.

125 SteveMcG  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:01:11pm

The only rule for simultaneous possesion:
"If the ball is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers."

126 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:03:59pm

re: #125 SteveMcG

The only rule for simultaneous possesion:
"If the ball is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers."

That is my understanding of that rule. I just refer to it as "tie goes to the offense" rule.

127 Digital Display  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:06:36pm

re: #124 SteveMcG

Both players had their hands on the ball. That's posession. That's the rule. Just because it looks like the defender had a better grip doesn't mean the offensive player didn't also have posession. Everybody's so worked up to trash the temps they don't want to resort to reason.

No it's not. The GB player caught the ball first and pulled it to his chest before the other player put his hand on it. The rule doesn't apply to simultaneous possession. It doesn't matter who's feet touched first.
I agree with the millions of experts on this.

128 ozbloke  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:13:28pm

Posted in a dead thread.

Russian truck driver miraculously escapes head-on collision

Youtube Video
129 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:35:24pm

I say keep the replacements. Refereegate has been great for business all around. We'll see you other guys next year maybe.

130 SteveMcG  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:40:22pm

I keep repeating upstairs that you don't have posession until your feet hit the ground. It doesn't matter whether the defender pulled it to his chest. It's not relevant. What is relevant is that both players had their hands on the ball when their feet hit the ground. That's what the rule says. The rule doesn't give you extra posession for pulling it to your chest. If the defender had been able to pull the ball away from the offensive player, maybe you have a case. In real life (not in the haters' idignant imaginations) both players had their hands on the ball when their feet touched the field.

131 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:47:13pm

re: #130 SteveMcG

If the ball is caught simultaneously...

That's the argument right there. If one guy catches the ball first, the other guy can't just grab it later. But that isn't what happened. They caught it together. Ugly play, right call. Horrible way to lose a game Packers.. Knock it down next time.

132 SteveMcG  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:50:58pm

Isn't that what happened in the Detroit Lions game? A defender slapped the ball down and it hit a Lions receiver right in the hands for a touchdown. Point taken, just knock the damn thing down.

133 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:01:14pm

re: #132 SteveMcG

Isn't that what happened in the Detroit Lions game? A defender slapped the ball down and it hit a Lions receiver right in the hands for a touchdown. Point taken, just knock the damn thing down.

Clarified.. Knock it down. Don't just tip it sideways like you want your beach volleyball partner to spike it.

134 Mentis Fugit  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:20:05pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Whoa! Allen West is a Wizard:

Do not put this man in charge of Burpelson Air Force Base.


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