How’s That Right Wing Boycott of “Hamilton” Working Out?

Not well
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When the cast of Broadway musical “Hamilton” made a statement calling on Trump’s running mate Mike Pence to show inclusiveness and tolerance, Donald Trump went infamously ballistic, calling on his followers to boycott the show and teach these liberal weenies a lesson they’d never forget unless they immediately apologized to Pence for hurting his delicate feelings.

So how’s that boycott going?

History is happening in Manhattan: “Hamilton” has set a record for the most money ever made in a single week by a Broadway show.

The musical, which attracted national attention just before the week began with criticism from President-elect Donald J. Trump of its quality and the manners of its cast, grossed $3.3 million last week. That’s a huge number on Broadway, where only unusually strong shows gross more than $1 million in a week, and most pull in far less.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2016 • 7:18:38pm

A boycott usually works on something you usually use or would see. None of them were seeing Hamilton and the whining brought the play even more attention. Great job, Donald!

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 30, 2016 • 7:26:20pm

Well my 20 year boycott of Coca Cola over New Coke sure brought them to their knees./

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BeachDem  Nov 30, 2016 • 7:29:22pm

I’m guessing that the $ figure is based on face value of tickets, so while the show made that much, many, many secondary ticket brokers made even more. I would guess that probably upwards of 5 million $ was spent on tickets one way or another

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2016 • 7:47:36pm

You would think something like this would piss reporters off:

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 30, 2016 • 7:48:13pm

My analysis psychosis kicks in here, and makes me wonder, how are Broadway performers paid? Is it like dining service, with a contractual flat pay for each show and bonus additional from the show’s take (like tips)? Or are the performers just paid well up front, and they get a big thank you, lots of perks, and a juicy resume entry? Would more shows be asked of them? Might they become overworked? Who gets all those fat stacks of cash?

I just realized I google all those questions. Eh. Good for them I guess, I hope some of that money is going to Resistance causes.

And fuck you, Donald Trump, for making me sit here and watch the country blow its own goddamned leg off for funsies. May the hole in your soul never be filled.

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scottslemmons  Nov 30, 2016 • 7:48:45pm

Honestly, things like this are some of the few things giving me hope for the future. The fact is that, no matter what the media says, Trump is incredibly unpopular, and when he tweets something stupid, his fanboys and the press may think it’s great, but the vast majority of the country and the world think it’s awful.

Don’t know if this ultimately does anyone any good — with a solid lock on all branches of government and most state legislatures, they may be able to get away with ignoring everyone but the crazies…

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 30, 2016 • 7:50:03pm

re: #4 Belafon

You would think something like this would piss reporters off:

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Gods, what a monstrous asshole that man is. He is the quintessential Ugly American. He spits in the face of everything good and decent, and laughs about it, and suffers no consequences whatsoever.

It’s the Special Hell for you, Newtie.

Which is not to say that he’s wrong, the strategy is obvious to anybody with a brain. The media are a bunch of worthless dupes and we all see it.

I can’t wait for Trump’s executive orders to disappear under the weight of Dumb Shit He Tweeted Today, they’ll be worrying about his feud with some celebrity while he codifies thoughtcrime.

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2016 • 7:53:19pm

re: #5 Pawn of the Oppressor

May the hole in your soul never be filled.

That’s guaranteed.

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2016 • 7:59:38pm

I bet Kellogg’s sees increased sales and profits.

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allegro  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:04:09pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

I bet Kellogg’s sees increased sales and profits.

I’m doing it for the krispy treats which I’m now craving due to our earlier discussion.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:04:32pm

re: #10 allegro

I’m doing it for the krispy treats which I’m now craving due to our earlier discussion.

Nom nom nom.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:04:33pm

re: #5 Pawn of the Oppressor

And fuck you, Donald Trump, for making me sit here and watch the country blow its own goddamned leg off for funsies. May the hole in your soul never be filled.

I doubt Trump has a soul…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:04:56pm

The squash I just roasted doesn’t have quite the same appeal as krispy treats.

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Cheechako  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:05:29pm

re: #13 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The squash I just roasted doesn’t have quite the same appeal as krispy treats.

Add marsh-mellows.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:06:30pm

re: #14 Cheechako

Add marsh-mellows.

The only ones in the house are coated with peppermint and dark chocolate.

I’m going to try raisins instead.

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Cheechako  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:07:38pm

re: #15 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The only ones in the house are coated with peppermint and dark chocolate.

I’m going to try raisins instead.

Brown sugar works.

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allegro  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:09:30pm

re: #11 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Nom nom nom.

You do know that I really will send you krispy treats right? :D

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:10:44pm

re: #12 Joe Bacon

I doubt Trump has a soul…

None of them have souls. Newt especially has an antimatter soul that destroys anything and everything it comes in contact with.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:12:13pm

I was looking through the Google Doc sheet mentioned in “We’re His Problem Now” Calling Sheet, and ran across this block:

” Paul Ryan’s office is conducting a survey hoping to show a popular mandate to repeal the ACA (Obamacare). I just took it. It’s automated and quick. Here’s what to do:

1) Call (202) 225 - 3031
2) **WAIT through 40 seconds of pure dead silence suggesting you have called the Death Star. (Seriously. Don’t hang up. There’s no hold music. It’s a little odd.)
3) You will get prompted by the survey
4) Press 2 to participate
5) Press 1 to register your support for the ACA

The ACA is imperfect, but I have friends who depend on it. Paul Ryan expects a certain outcome to this survey. Let’s show him another.”

Leave it to Paul Ryan. I tried calling, but I get a busy signal.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:12:17pm

re: #17 allegro

You do know that I really will send you krispy treats right? :D

Cannot upding enough.

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allegro  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:16:16pm

re: #20 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Cannot upding enough.

Haha! It’s actually giving me a fun idea. (yeah, danger, Danger! alert.)

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stpaulbear  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:17:29pm

re: #5 Pawn of the Oppressor

Who gets all those fat stacks of cash?

New York City landlords.

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Interesting Times  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:17:38pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:17:56pm

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:18:09pm
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“…The US government has charged that the German banking giant misled investors into buying bad mortgage-backed securities in the run-up to the financial crisis of 2007 and 2008, and it is demanding that Deutsche Bank pay $14 billion to settle legal claims. The bank is reported to have planned for a settlement of $2 billion to $3 billion, and negotiations between it and the Department of Justice are likely to be contentious and last for months—possibly well into the next administration. Should Trump take the White House, what Deutsche Bank ends up paying for its alleged misdeeds might depend on how tough Trump’s Justice Department will be with the bank to which he owes so much money.”

[Trump owes Deutsche Bank hundreds of millions of dollars]

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:22:36pm

re: #21 allegro

Haha! It’s actually giving me a fun idea. (yeah, danger, Danger! alert.)

I am here for danger.

As long as the krispy treats are there too.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:23:06pm

re: #25 jaunte

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I really hate to say this, but this really is the one area where I think Pence would be better. Sure, he’d act like the Bush Administration did with Microsoft after the Clinton White House found them guilty of being a monopoly (which was basically don’t act so bad), but Pence wouldn’t have this level of corruption.

I would still oppose Pence and everything he stood for, but I really do not like the extra shit that Trump brings along.

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allegro  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:23:09pm

re: #23 Interesting Times

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I LOVE that!

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Quiet Storm  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:23:29pm

re: #19 Belafon

It might be busy because that survey and number has been repeated on Facebook for several days. Liberal organizations and people sharing it with their friends.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:24:06pm

re: #29 Quiet Storm

It might be busy because that survey and number has been repeated on Facebook for several days. Liberal organizations and people sharing it with their friends.

If that’s the case, then I’m happy I got the busy signal. I’m glad Democrats are finally learning to make phone calls.

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stpaulbear  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:30:00pm

re: #25 jaunte

I’m thinking about adding Mother Jones to my list of subscriptions/donations.

So far the list includes:
Planned Parenthood
Southern Poverty Law Center
NAACP Legal Defense Fund
ACLU
Natural Resources Defense Council
Nature Conservancy (been doing this one for many years)
Union of Concerned Scientists

I also wanted to subscribe to the WaPo but it’s $100/year. I’d rather give $50 to two of the above. I’m not rich.

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allegro  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:30:22pm

re: #30 Belafon

If that’s the case, then I’m happy I got the busy signal. I’m glad Democrats are finally learning to make phone calls.

If it’s democrats making them.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:33:52pm

re: #27 Belafon

I really hate to say this, but this really is the one area where I think Pence would be better. Sure, he’d act like the Bush Administration did with Microsoft after the Clinton White House found them guilty of being a monopoly (which was basically don’t act so bad), but Pence wouldn’t have this level of corruption.

I would still oppose Pence and everything he stood for, but I really do not like the extra shit that Trump brings along.

Pence is a Religious Right nutjob, but at least he knows the rules of being a president and a politician. I doubt he’s interested in running the White House and the USA as an extension of the family business. He may want to turn the USA into a theocracy, but there’s little chance voters would let that happen. Also, Pence AFAIK is not a raging narcissist.

Trump OTOH only cares about Trump, his immediate family and his farflung business interests. He’s learned how to distract the media and the public from noticing his intention to gradually make the USA part of the Trump Organization — MAGA. He has no discernible sense of patriotism or honor. Trump would willingly trash the nation if it meant he could make more money or be admired more.

So, I’m with you on this. I would have never voted for Pence as president in a gazillion years, but given the choice between him and Trump, I have to admit Pence is better for the survival of the nation.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:34:25pm

re: #19 Belafon

I was looking through the Google Doc sheet mentioned in “We’re His Problem Now” Calling Sheet, and ran across this block:

Leave it to Paul Ryan. I tried calling, but I get a busy signal.

I can’t believe Paul Ryan is even more dense than I thought he was. Good grief.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:40:33pm

re: #33 wheat-dogg

And to be clear to anyone who wants to think otherwise, neither wheat-dogg no I are endorsing Pence or saying we’d be OK with Pence. This is basically choosing to amputate below the knee (Pence) or at the hip (Trump).

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allegro  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:43:48pm

Colbert is taking that Trump/Romney dinner apart. Brutal. I wonder how long he can do this.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:46:19pm

re: #35 Belafon

And to be clear to anyone who wants to think otherwise, neither wheat-dogg no I are endorsing Pence or saying we’d be OK with Pence. This is basically choosing to amputate below the knee (Pence) or at the hip (Trump).

Yeah. Pence is a known quantity, someone who more or less plays by the rules, so his fuk-ups would be easier to deal with. Trump is a loose cannon — a pathological liar and a serial cheater — who will say one thing and do another. Dealing with Trump these next four years will be like nailing Jell-O to a wall.

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allegro  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:46:25pm

Now on Trump’s tweets. Dayum. Jugular.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:48:22pm
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Kragar  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:49:51pm
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wheat-dogg  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:50:37pm

re: #37 wheat-dogg

Yeah. Pence is a known quantity, someone who more or less plays by the rules, so his fuk-ups would be easier to deal with. Trump is a loose cannon — a pathological liar and a serial cheater — who will say one thing and do another. Dealing with Trump these next four years will be like nailing Jell-O to a wall.

Incidentally, I used to live in Indiana, though before Pence took office. He is intensely disliked by everyone but his core Christian believers who assume Pence is acting in their interests. He is as dumb as a post. It’s better for Indiana that he’s no longer governor. If he became president, at the very least it would be harder for him to wreck the nation as easily as he’s wrecked Indiana.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:51:08pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

Who paid for it? Taxpayers?

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:52:53pm

re: #42 wheat-dogg

Secret Service tickets on Trump Airlines.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:53:11pm

re: #42 wheat-dogg

Who paid for it? Taxpayers?

Probs.

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:54:21pm
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stpaulbear  Nov 30, 2016 • 8:57:57pm

present mood:

-NEW- Laugh Laugh Beau Brummels {Stereo}

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makeitstop  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:01:16pm

re: #46 stpaulbear

present mood:

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A great, criminally overlooked American band.

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CleverToad  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:01:33pm

OT Whine
Crappy day at Toad Hall, all too literally.
Called the Rooter folks to check the downstairs toilet, which has been running annoyingly slow. Had a $99 coupon to cover the unclog; asked them to add on the check for roots and things in the sewer line while we had ‘em out here.

That was this morning. We now have a very deep hole in the front yard, and an estimate of $11K to fix the rotted-out cast iron pipe under the house, remove one rootball, and fix a collapsed section of pipe in the yard. All fingers and toes crossed that they can re-route the section of interior pipe that runs under the furnace — without having to move the furnace itself — and that they do not find any other issues between the collapse and the main line in the street. The rooter guys seemed to get very nervous once they’d seen what was going on under there: they put a rush on the repair, the interior work should start tomorrow morning.

Basic suburban tract house was built in 1973, in an unincorporated area of the county, with minimal building codes at the time. Probably a miracle that we haven’t had a major backup disaster, and we’d’ve run into this anyway when we tried to sell (not that we want to anytime soon). This way we’ll at least get up to something resembling current code. Telling myself it could be worse, right? Yeah, right.

There went our flippin’ safety margin against the fears of what Ryan is going to do to our healthcare and Trump is going to do to the economy. Along with the last frayed shred of my tolerance for 2016. Can it end now, please?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:03:11pm

re: #48 CleverToad

Oh geez. {{CleverToad}}

That stinks.

Probably literally too.

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CleverToad  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:10:50pm

re: #49 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh geez. {{CleverToad}}

That stinks.

Probably literally too.

I suspect it’ll get quite odiferous once they take the concrete floor up. Time to break out all the scented candles.

It’s gonna to be a long epic, Frodo.

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Kragar  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:13:33pm

re: #47 makeitstop

They cannot be forgiven for Village of the Giants

Beau Brummels- When It Comes To Your Love (Village Of The Giants 1966)

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Alyosha  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:16:25pm

The Roots are wasted on Fallon’s show.
Just remembered ‘Phrenology’ at work today. Such a good album.

The Roots - The Seed (2.0) ft. Cody ChesnuTT

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Scout  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:19:40pm

re: #46 stpaulbear

I only know those guys via MST3K, but that’s a very nice song.

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makeitstop  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:21:18pm

re: #51 Kragar

They cannot be forgiven for Village of the Giants

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I was going strictly on the strength of ‘Laugh, Laugh’ and ‘Just a Little.’ Since my wife would not take too kindly to being woken up by a band she’s never heard of, I’ll wait until the morning to check that one out.

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:23:52pm

One of Kurt Schlichter’s braindead followers is so proud of himself, he did a thing!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:28:09pm

Because hate, racism and misogyny are so “American”…

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:32:00pm

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

Because hate, racism and misogyny are so “American”…

Well, now that you mention it, beginning in 1492 …

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wheat-dogg  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:33:29pm

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

Because hate, racism and misogyny are so “American”…

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Isn’t it funny how conservatives crow that businesses can do anything they like, even deny cakes to gay couples, but as soon as cons are victims of business decisions, suddenly it’s a threat to the nation?

Breitbart can just fill the empty ad slots with prepper RTE meals, gold markets, and alt-med woo-woo ads.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:35:10pm
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Stanley Sea  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:47:22pm
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retired cynic  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:48:04pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

OMG!

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Alyosha  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:54:08pm
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The founder of the Open Source Malaria Consortium at the University of Sydney, Associate Professor Matthew Todd, noticed one of Mr Shkreli’s tweets said “learning synthesis isn’t innovation”.

Associate Professor Todd said: “On one hand you have Mr Shkreli who bought a known thing and raised the price.

“On the other you have school kids who have made this thing in their spare time with their teacher. They had to develop stuff and really work on it.

“You tell me which of those is innovative.”

He congratulated the students. “It’s very impressive work,” he said.

In response to Mr Shkreli’s tweet that “anyone can make any drug iti s pretty ez”, Dr Williamson said: “Not just anyone can make this drug. You need training and facilities and equipment.

She then made the point: “If anyone can do it and it’s so cheap, it highlights why it shouldn’t be $US750 a dose.”

Mr Shkreli did not respond to an invitation to respond to Fairfax Media.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:55:37pm
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retired cynic  Nov 30, 2016 • 9:55:41pm

re: #62 Alyosha

slap-face triggered

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Alyosha  Nov 30, 2016 • 10:00:11pm

re: #64 retired cynic

slap-face triggered

2016’s word will forever be, for me at least, ‘Backpfeifengeschict’.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 30, 2016 • 10:08:58pm

VB can appreciate this one:

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2016 • 10:11:28pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

re: #61 retired cynic

I’ve seen too many pictures like that that have occurred not 25 miles from my house. My sister’s home was spared during the Waldo Canyon Fire in Colorado Springs a few summers ago, but a couple miles away whole neighborhoods were flattened.

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Lidane  Nov 30, 2016 • 10:12:14pm

Heh.

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Lidane  Nov 30, 2016 • 10:13:46pm

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

Related:

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2016 • 10:22:57pm

As it turns out, this is my most popular #BreitbartCereals tweet.

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Kragar  Nov 30, 2016 • 10:23:41pm

Working on my Forgefiend

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Alyosha  Nov 30, 2016 • 10:32:22pm

Attack in Black - Young Leaves (Official Video)

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 30, 2016 • 10:59:56pm

re: #57 teleskiguy

Well, now that you mention it, beginning in 1492 …

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I can trace ancestry back to 1630s New France (now Quebec) when emigrants from France brought the diseases that wiped out the Huron Nation over the next 15 years. Canada’s history of racism isn’t all that pure either.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 30, 2016 • 11:23:08pm

Cheetolini……. I think that’s the best one yet.

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2016 • 11:39:43pm

re: #74 Dave In Austin

Cheetolini……. I think that’s the best one yet.

Cheeto Jesus if you want to get all religious.

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2016 • 11:43:49pm

Good memes.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 30, 2016 • 11:43:55pm

re: #75 teleskiguy

HeyZeus De Cheeto to you young man…….

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Amory Blaine  Dec 1, 2016 • 12:32:17am

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teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2016 • 12:35:01am

Oh but ain’t that America, for you and me
Ain’t that America, we’re something to see baby
Ain’t that America, home of the free, yeah
Big pointless holes for you and me, oh for you and me

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Dec 1, 2016 • 1:21:14am
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 1, 2016 • 1:44:40am

re: #71 Kragar

Working on my Forgefiend

So it’s, like, a medic or a support unit or something, right?

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 2:19:39am

I posted this to the Sarah Palin/VA thread (gag) before I realised how long it had been a dead thread, so I’ll post it here:

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, Sarah Palin running the VA might just be another diversion from the Trump/Pence Bannon/Spencer Republican neo-Nazi White House.

That said, the VA actually might dodge a bullet here, after she quits halfway through a term.

That said, I don’t want Governor Grifter within fifty miles of a VA office.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 1, 2016 • 2:23:51am

Sage advice, and just in thyme:

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2016 • 2:26:54am
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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 2:31:50am

Facebook Post

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 2:49:58am

I had the opportunity to pass education along to another veteran yesterday (our village clerk, a disabled Navy veteran). We chatted some in the village office after the pass out of boil water notices.

She has been avoiding going to the VA. Not because the VA provides poor service (it doesn’t), but because driving to Hot Springs SD is something she cannot afford. (Our county is assigned to the Hot Springs VA, but I am assigned to Cheyenne VA because Hot Springs does not have the necessary personnel to treat epilepsy.)

I asked her why she can’t afford to travel to Hot Springs, when the VA pays travel pay. She was entirely unaware the VA pays travel pay for appointments. All that is required is to fill in a travel claim and turn it into the VA travel office, or alternatively mail it in to the VA. Moreover, she should be able to claim her last several visits (though each requires a separate form.)

I noted the VA pays me for every appointment I have in the Sidney clinic fifty miles away. They would also pay her for her regular appointments at the mobile clinic in Scottsbluff (it is over fifty miles away).

She is going to contact the Hot Springs VA now and see if there are any appointments she can claim her travel pay for. (I did my good deed for the day.)

Perhaps I should get with the library director and the Cheyenne VA about offering a lecture or benefits class to the village, since so many other people here are veterans. Perhaps there are others who are in a similar boat as our village clerk, avoiding proper medical care due to a misunderstanding of VA benefits.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 3:19:25am

Texas law requiring cremation or burial of abortion or miscarriage remains goes into effect on December 19. Governor Abbot is all in with Governor Pence.

huffingtonpost.com

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fern01  Dec 1, 2016 • 3:24:48am

re: #87 Anymouse

Texas law requiring cremation or burial of abortion or miscarriage remains goes into effect on December 19. Governor Abbot is all in with Governor Pence.

huffingtonpost.com

And women still vote for these people. Those who make the laws and those who vote for them are so close to insane it is mind boggling. My mother had 3 miscarriages - she was so very depressed about them - being forced to have a burial/cremation will bring many people to suicide level depression.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 3:26:41am

re: #84 sagehen

re: #84 sagehen

Steven Singer does a GREAT job explaining selfishness of “school choice” using Pumpkin Pie

If schools that take public money also had to accept all students who apply on a first-come, first-serve basis and could only expel them under the same conditions as public schools, then it would be apples and apples. Currently, it is more like chalk and cheese.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 3:30:03am

re: #88 fern01

And women still vote for these people. Those who make the laws and those who vote for them are so close to insane it is mind boggling. My mother had 3 miscarriages - she was so very depressed about them - being forced to have a burial/cremation will bring many people to suicide level depression.

Those governors think that the service will just bring them closer to Jesus…

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 3:35:47am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those governors think that the service will just bring them closer to Jesus…

The law also requires a funeral. Even adults aren’t required to have funerals.

Of course it is a bunch of unconstitutional nonsense that will (eventually) be struck down, but conservatives have to spend money on courts and none on society.

In the meantime, one of the comments on the article:

Scatter the ashes on the desks of the legislators. Then they will have proof the cremation has taken place.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 3:44:36am

re: #91 Anymouse

The law also requires a funeral. Even adults aren’t required to have funerals.

If it were up to Rick Santorum, mothers would be required to take the dead children home to bed with them…

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 3:54:26am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If it were up to Rick Santorum, mothers would be required to take the dead children home to bed with them…

Is there any time that conservatism has advanced any cause that benefits citizens? Anything?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 3:59:42am

re: #93 Anymouse

Is there any time that conservatism has advanced any cause that benefits citizens? Anything?

Honestly as a former history major, I’m legitimately hard pressed. There are conservatives who did things that benefited the citizenry but that was in spite of their conservative ideology not because.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:02:42am

re: #88 fern01

And women still vote for these people. Those who make the laws and those who vote for them are so close to insane it is mind boggling. My mother had 3 miscarriages - she was so very depressed about them - being forced to have a burial/cremation will bring many people to suicide level depression.

It’s state mandated guilt tripping. But you’re right, miscarriages are already tough as is for expectant mothers and now this? Glad Abbott cares so much about using the power of the state to make people feel guilty rather than actually looking for legitimate ways to reduce miscarriages and abortions but noooc can’t have that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:11:28am

re: #93 Anymouse

Is there any time that conservatism has advanced any cause that benefits citizens? Anything?

Deep down inside, I support “conservative” values like family values, personal initiative and self-reliance.

But I look on family values as something other than banning gay marriage and shaming women who have had abortions or miscarriages. I think of it in terms of valuing families and making it possible to raise one and offer one’s children the chance of a better life.

And how do we expect individuals and families with limited incomes and assets to negotiate on equal terms with multi-billion-dollar international corporations for terms of employment, insurance or financial services?

Why is it that when investors form a corporation (a capitalist collective) to maximize their bargaining power, it is praised as the very soul of capitalism, but when workers or consumers form a union for the same purpose, it is branded socialist collectivism and a blight on society?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:16:48am

Butt hurt on Max Level.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:19:35am

re: #96 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Deep down inside, I support “conservative” values like family values, personal initiative and self-reliance.

But I look on family values as something other than banning gay marriage and shaming women who have had abortions or miscarriages. I think of it in terms of valuing families and making it possible to raise one and offer them the chance of a better life.

And how do we expect individuals and families with limited incomes and assets to negotiate on equal terms with multi-billion-dollar international corporations for terms of employment, insurance or financial services?

Why is it that when investors form a corporation (a capitalist collective) to maximize their bargaining power, it is praised as the very soul of capitalism, but when workers or consumers form a union for the same purpose, it is branded socialist collectivism and a blight on society?

It’s a disconnect. Unions are “greedy” even though what they fight for isn’t even always necessary monetary in goal. You like myself have relatives that worked in the mines. The goal so often for their union was and is more than just better pay but a safe place to work as well. But an executive gives himself a bonus more than the median income and it’s “the spirit of capitalism”. As for the family values, their idea of family values is things like shunning gay relatives, women who got abortions, or people who leave the family religion. Those aren’t family values. I’ve never seen a Republican actually put the family values rhetoric into actual action rather than being mere cheap rhetoric to attack his Dem/liberal opponent as somehow not believing in the importance of family.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:20:42am

re: #97 Dr. Matt

Butt hurt on Max Level.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:22:38am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Get used to it Joe.

His mind just hasn’t yet worked out why it is Obama’s fault…

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William Lewis  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:23:18am

re: #93 Anymouse

Is there any time that conservatism has advanced any cause that benefits citizens? Anything?

Edmund Burke supporting the American Revolution & Catholic Emancipation?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:25:32am

re: #101 William Lewis

Edmund Burke supporting the American Revolution & Catholic Emancipation?

We are talking classic Conservatism, not the modern GOP variety…

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:27:25am

David Pakman is reporting that there are now fifteen electors that are claiming they will not cast their votes for Mr. Trump.

(5:45)

Source: 15 Trump Electors Form Coalition, Will NOT Vote for Trump

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fern01  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:30:51am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

It’s state mandated guilt tripping. But you’re right, miscarriages are already tough as is for expectant mothers and now this? Glad Abbott cares so much about using the power of the state to make people feel guilty rather than actually looking for legitimate ways to reduce miscarriages and abortions but noooc can’t have that.

There is NO guilt in a miscarriage or an abortion - it is purely a power trip for the men who legislate - rather like rape - forcing women to do their will. That they do it in the name of their so called god is disgusting in the extreme.

The only way to reduce miscarriages is to provide around the clock medical care for women at risk - I’ve had friends hospitalized for weeks to help them carry a babe to term. How many in Texas could afford this health care? The only way to reduce abortions is to provided contraception and education. All of these things conservatives work against - no medical care, no education and no contraceptives.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:32:52am

re: #104 fern01

The only way to reduce abortions is to provided contraception and education. All of these things conservatives work against - no medical care, no education and no contraceptives.

Because the only women who “should” be getting pregnant are ones who are married to husband who can afford to keep them at home running the household.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:34:34am

re: #104 fern01

There is NO guilt in a miscarriage or an abortion - it is purely a power trip for the men who legislate - rather like rape - forcing women to do their will. That they do it in the name of their so called god is disgusting in the extreme.

The only way to reduce miscarriages is to provide around the clock medical care for women at risk - I’ve had friends hospitalized for weeks to help them carry a babe to term. How many in Texas could afford this health care? The only way to reduce abortions is to provided contraception and education. All of these things conservatives work against - no medical care, no education and no contraceptives.

That’s what I mean. There shouldn’t be guilt in an abortion or miscarriage but these guys want to use the state to see that there is. And yeah the best ways to reduce abortion and miscarriages are all ways that people like Abbott oppose like groups like Planned Parenthood.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:34:35am

re: #5 Pawn of the Oppressor

My analysis psychosis kicks in here, and makes me wonder, how are Broadway performers paid? Is it like dining service, with a contractual flat pay for each show and bonus additional from the show’s take (like tips)? Or are the performers just paid well up front, and they get a big thank you, lots of perks, and a juicy resume entry? Would more shows be asked of them? Might they become overworked? Who gets all those fat stacks of cash?

I just realized I google all those questions. Eh. Good for them I guess, I hope some of that money is going to Resistance causes.

And fuck you, Donald Trump, for making me sit here and watch the country blow its own goddamned leg off for funsies. May the hole in your soul never be filled.

Broadway performers belong to Actors Equity Union

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:34:59am

re: #104 fern01

There is NO guilt in a miscarriage or an abortion - it is purely a power trip for the men who legislate - rather like rape - forcing women to do their will. That they do it in the name of their so called god is disgusting in the extreme.

The only way to reduce miscarriages is to provide around the clock medical care for women at risk - I’ve had friends hospitalized for weeks to help them carry a babe to term. How many in Texas could afford this health care? The only way to reduce abortions is to provided contraception and education. All of these things conservatives work against - no medical care, no education and no contraceptives.

Moreover, those who can afford it will simply go to a different state.

I presume it is time for women in Texas to fire up a “Periods for Abbot” similar to the “Periods for Pence” campaign in Indiana.

Moreover, I suspect that more Republican run states will try to push these laws, because spending money in court to defend unconstitutional laws is more important than spending money on children’s or women’s health.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:41:36am

It would take thirty-seven electors to become faithless to deny Donald Trump the two hundred seventy votes needed to win.

The fifteen Mr. Pakman reports on above are allegedly lobbying other electors to change their votes.

Assuming for the sake of argument thirty-seven electors instead chose Evan McMullin (I can’t imagine them going for Hillary Clinton), that would bring up an interesting XII Amendment case:

According to the XII Amendment, if no candidate gets a majority of the electoral vote, the election is thrown into the US House, where the current elected House votes amongst the top three electoral vote getters.

Each state gets one vote. Thus, Hillary Clinton would have no chance. However, if the GOP wanted to choose a more mainstream choice, Evan McMullin would be (in this example) the third vote-getter.

We would be left with a situation where a person who earned no electoral votes was appointed President. I have no doubt of the probity and sanity of the millions of Trump voters should the GOP do something like that.

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fern01  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:42:08am

re: #108 Anymouse

Moreover, those who can afford it will simply go to a different state.

For an abortion. Most miscarriages happen in the early stages of pregnancy & they happen at home. This law will stop women going to their doctor for the appropriate after care because the doctor will no doubt, by law, be forced to report the miscarriage. Not to get into the technicalities - but in many cases, there will be nothing to bury or cremate.

The law is a most disgusting ghastly attack on women, already suffering a loss and as per my original post - some women still vote for these people - you really cannot save them from themselves - which comes back to education - or lack thereof.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:46:42am

re: #110 fern01

For an abortion. Most miscarriages happen in the early stages of pregnancy & they happen at home. This law will stop women going to their doctor for the appropriate after care because the doctor will no doubt, by law, be forced to report the miscarriage. Not to get into the technicalities - but in many cases, there will be nothing to bury or cremate.

The law is a most disgusting ghastly attack on women, already suffering a loss and as per my original post - some women still vote for these people - you really cannot save them from themselves - which comes back to education - or lack thereof.

The law creates separate but equal foetuses.

If a miscarriage occurs at home, the law does not apply. It only applies to abortions and miscarriages that occur in medical settings.

What it actually sets up is stocks for coat hanger companies to go up.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:49:37am

Still the same old….shhhhhaaavvvinnng cream…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:49:53am

re: #111 Anymouse

The law creates separate but equal foetuses.

If a miscarriage occurs at home, the law does not apply. It only applies to abortions and miscarriages that occur in medical settings.

What it actually sets up is stocks for coat hanger companies to go up.

aha. slut-shaming

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:51:22am

re: #66 klys (maker of Silmarils)

VB can appreciate this one:

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The original “Vicious Babushka”

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Joe Bacon  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:51:37am

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

aha. slut-shaming

Meanwhile the DesJarlais type of Republican officeholders will still have access to abortion for their mistresses…and still get re-elected by saying “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus” to the marks they fleece…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:53:00am

re: #115 Joe Bacon

Meanwhile the DesJarlais type of Republican officeholders will still have access to abortion for their mistresses…and still get re-elected by saying “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus” to the marks they fleece…

they just get sent out of state…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:54:00am

Son posted the 2016 Song on faceplace (apologies if i’t already been posted), the language is definitely NSFW. But, as usual, the BritsCanadians put it all in perspective, 2016 that is.

The 2016 Song

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:56:37am

re: #117 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Son posted the 2016 Song on faceplace (apologies if i’t already been posted), the language is definitely NSFW. But, as usual, the Brits put it all in perspective, 2016 that is.

They are Canadian. And I have a serious crush on Flo (izzat the dark-haired sister?)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:57:49am

Fixed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:58:56am

re: #119 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Fixed.

you mean you got me a date with Flo?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 4:59:56am
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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 5:04:16am

re: #117 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Son posted the 2016 Song on faceplace (apologies if i’t already been posted), the language is definitely NSFW. But, as usual, the BritsCanadians put it all in perspective, 2016 that is.

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LOL! Can we unplug the USA and plug it back in?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 5:05:28am

re: #117 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Son posted the 2016 Song on faceplace (apologies if i’t already been posted), the language is definitely NSFW. But, as usual, the BritsCanadians put it all in perspective, 2016 that is.

They seem to be the Canadian Garfunkel & Oates.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 5:13:35am
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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 5:17:29am

re: #124 Dr. Matt

Now you did it. (My wife and I went to The Gothic Theatre in Denver to see Garfunkel and Oates.)

That brings up Garfunkel and Oates featuring Weird Al Yankovic - Save The Rich (3:01)

Save the Rich- Garfunkel and Oates with Weird Al Yankovic

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 5:36:54am

Ugh. This could be bad

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 1, 2016 • 5:37:57am

Buzz Aldrin, second man to walk on Moon, medically evacuated from South Pole

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 1, 2016 • 5:38:41am

Seriously, 2016? Fuck you. We still have 31 days of this shit-hole of a year to go. Not that I expect 2017 to be any better, but.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 5:39:24am

Oh man Propane Jane is righteously PISSED

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jeffreyw  Dec 1, 2016 • 5:39:36am

Flickr


Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 5:39:38am

re: #128 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Seriously, 2016? Fuck you. We still have 31 days of this shit-hole of a year to go. Not that I expect 2017 to be any better, but.

I do not want to make any predictions, but I fear that things will have to get worse before they can start getting any better. Heck, we haven’t even entered the tunnel, no point in looking for the light at the other end…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 1, 2016 • 5:46:28am

Pretty sure the first light we will see in the tunnel will be an oncoming train.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 5:47:35am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

Oh man Propane Jane is righteously PISSED

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Doing no harm to profit is the first order of business.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 5:51:51am

I give up.

I uploaded some pages to push “Mr. Methface” off the “Recent Pages” sidebar but they got promoted to the “Featured” sidebar & “Mr.Methface” stays on top.

I’ll just have to post a bunch of really lame pages so they don’t get promoted.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:03:29am

OK “Mr. Methface” has been pushed off the “Recent Pages” sidebar by pie recipes.

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(alpuz)  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:05:04am

re: #134 The Vicious Babushka

I give up.

I uploaded some pages to push “Mr. Methface” off the “Recent Pages” sidebar but they got promoted to the “Featured” sidebar & “Mr.Methface” stays on top.

I’ll just have to post a bunch of really lame pages so they don’t get promoted.

Ha! Whenever I get to “Mr. Methface” it’s SCROLL, SCROLL DAMMIT, SCROLLLLLLL!!1!

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:09:43am

re: #109 Anymouse

Assuming for the sake of argument thirty-seven electors instead chose Evan McMullin (I can’t imagine them going for Hillary Clinton), that would bring up an interesting XII Amendment case:

They may not love Clinton, but she is 2.5 million ahead in the popular vote.

And if Obama gives in to those senators on the intelligence committee who are asking to declassify and release the information they’ve seen on Russian meddling….

They may decide Clinton is reluctantly the proper choice.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:10:30am

How do we undermine FOX? Because even the low info people around me occasionally read their website to get the news from them. We’re going to have trouble getting some people to see what is really going on until we break through that.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:19:20am

re: #138 Belafon

How do we undermine FOX? Because even the low info people around me occasionally read their website to get the news from them. We’re going to have trouble getting some people to see what is really going on until we break through that.

I think Breitbart is working on that.

In more cheery news, Dolly Parton has directed her foundation to give a thousand dollars a month to everyone put out of their homes in the Great Smoky Mountains fires until they are back on their feet.

huffingtonpost.com

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:21:30am

re: #125 Anymouse

Now you did it. (My wife and I went to The Gothic Theatre in Denver to see Garfunkel and Oates.)

That brings up Garfunkel and Oates featuring Weird Al Yankovic - Save The Rich (3:01)

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G&O’s “Me You and Steve” is ideal for fanvids:

You and me and your friend Steve (Stony)

Hawaii Five-0: Me and You and Steve

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:21:41am

re: #58 wheat-dogg

Great point. I thought Rightwingers were all about respecting business decisions. Their hypocrisy is ripe.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:24:00am
The musical, which attracted national attention just before the week began with criticism from President-elect Donald J. Trump of its quality and the manners of its cast, grossed $3.3 million last week.

#skewed
#fakemath

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:25:26am

re: #117 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Son posted the 2016 Song on faceplace (apologies if i’t already been posted), the language is definitely NSFW. But, as usual, the BritsCanadians put it all in perspective, 2016 that is.

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I think you were right the first time - they’re Brits.

EDIT: Or expats. Those are definitely not Canadian accents.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:27:09am

BRATS Red Nine

I also have been deeply suffering from grief for the loss of what appeared to be a very positive future vision. Physical labor clearing new holes on my disc golf course has proven to be pretty much the only thing that takes my mind off of the bizarre news. Since retirement three years ago, I have planted more than 6,000 trees as part of this 18-acre project in SW Ann Arbor. I just laid out Red Course holes 2, 3, and 4; if weather permits I will mark out 5 today and the entire 27-hole course layout, short tees, will be complete in design, with 25 holes playable. Are there fellow disc golfers in here?

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:28:16am

re: #140 sagehen

G&O’s “Me You and Steve” is ideal for fanvids:

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My favourite is “Sex with Ducks” (2:04)

Sex With Ducks: the Music Video by Garfunkel and Oates

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plansbandc  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:34:45am

re: #60 Stanley Sea

Damn!

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:41:02am

Wonkette addresses Jesus’s “firebomber of love” Cheryl Sullenger.

Sullenger complained mightily when Dr. Warren Hern took out a full-page advert in the Denver Post to castigate Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn-7) on her targeted harassment of Dr. Hern and other providers (using tax money of course).

Amazing how a poor misunderstood “pro-lifer” who merely was convicted of an attempted bombing could be classified as a common terrorist; after all, she is not Muslim, brown, or liberal.

wonkette.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:43:28am

re: #147 Anymouse

Amazing how a poor misunderstood “pro-lifer” who merely was convicted of an attempted bombing could be classified as a common terrorist; after all, she is not Muslim, brown, or liberal.

It reminds me that when we were in a hurry to pass all sorts of anti terror legislation that the intent of most of it was directed at the people you describe and could not possibly apply to a white native-born American

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:44:32am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It reminds me that when we were in a hurry to pass all sorts of anti terror legislation that the intent of most of it was directed at the people you describe and could not possibly apply to a white native-born American

See also: The Talibanjo (the Bundy Bunch)

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darthstar  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:44:51am

He forgot to say ‘even the losers’…

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Jayleia  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:50:04am

re: #150 darthstar

So, Kellyanne has the phone then…

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darthstar  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:52:36am

re: #151 Jayleia

So, Kellyanne has the phone then…

D: Did you hear about the tornados? I should send a tweet about that.
Kelly Anne: Give me your phone…(tap,tap,tap,tap)…Done. (takes out battery, hands phone back)

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:56:27am

While I am not a Christian, I can support the statement of Benedictine nun Sister Joan Chittister:

I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.

I would add “death penalty” to that, but Sister Chittister was specifically addressing the pro-forced-birther starve-em-post birth conservatives.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:57:55am

re: #153 Anymouse

While I am not a Christian, I can support the statement of Benedictine nun Sister Joan Chittister:

I would add “death penalty” to that, but Sister Chittister was specifically addressing the pro-forced-birther starve-em-post birth conservatives.

There are actually Christians who do not subscribe to the dogma of
True Christian = unconditionally pro life

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BlueGrl21  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:58:45am

I have struggled to find a name for Trump that I was comfortable with. I wanted more psychological accuracy, yet, ridicule. But I have it now.

Prince Trumperdink.

I am completely content.

Storm the Castle
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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:03:27am

OFFS

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:04:02am

re: #156 Timothy Watson

OFFS
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Can’t see Facebook. What is it?

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:04:43am

re: #157 Belafon

A Virginia school district is considering whether two classic books are inappropriate for students after a parent filed a formal complaint.

Local news media outlets report that an Accomack County Public Schools parent filed a complaint against the use of “the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn” and “To Kill a Mockingbird” because of their use of racial slurs.

The district has temporarily suspended the use of the books while officials examine the issue. A committee that includes a principle, librarian and others will now review the books and make a recommendation to the superintendent.

WAVY-TV reports that a parent voiced concerns over the books during a school board meeting earlier this month.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:04:57am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are actually Christians who do not subscribe to the dogma of
True Christian = unconditionally pro life

I am aware that it a loud vocal minority of Christians that hold extremist stances such as shooting abortion doctors, bombing or shooting up clinics (like the Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs down the road a piece from my house recently) or other such terroristic acts.

In fact, the Southern Baptist Convention made a statement about Roe v Wade right after it was decided that supported the decision; that statement is still available on their Website.

blogs.thegospelcoalition.org

Citing the first page of Bill Moyers’s blog post on the issue:

Conventional wisdom holds that the rise of the religious right as a political force to be reckoned with during the 1970s and 1980s was driven by conservative Christians’ intense opposition to the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade. But Dartmouth College’s Randall Balmer writes that “the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny.” He notes that “it wasn’t until 1979 — a full six years after Roe — that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but …. because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools.”

billmoyers.com

I would also argue that evangelical Christian organisations tasted something else, particularly with Ronald Reagan: Power.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:11:02am

re: #158 Timothy Watson

Local news media outlets report that an Accomack County Public Schools parent filed a complaint against the use of “the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn” and “To Kill a Mockingbird” because of their use of racial slurs.

COntext people, do you understand it?

This is what happens when public discourse is reduced to Tweets, bullet points and headlines.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:18:50am

re: #158 Timothy Watson

Also Virginia, a Fairfax teacher wrote on a Latina student’s English class essay, “Are you legal? Or illegal? It depends on that factor for deportation. I hope you get to stay!”

The essay was assigned the day after the election, asking students to write how they felt about the results.

The student posted her paper with the teacher’s comment to Facebook, and Fairfax (VA) schools said the teacher’s comment is inappropriate and they are looking into it (meaning they are waiting for the storm to blow over so they can ignore it safely).

In the meantime the student has been transferred to a different English class, which the girl’s mother says makes her daughter feel singled out.

huffingtonpost.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:20:30am

re: #161 Anymouse

Also Virginia, a Fairfax teacher wrote on a Latina student’s English class essay, “Are you legal? Or illegal? It depends on that factor for deportation. I hope you get to stay!”

The essay was assigned the day after the election, asking students to write how they felt about the results.

The student posted her paper with the teacher’s comment to Facebook, and Fairfax (VA) schools said the teacher’s comment is inappropriate and they are looking into it (meaning they are waiting for the storm to blow over so they can ignore it safely).

In the meantime the student has been transferred to a different English class, which the girl’s mother says makes her daughter feel singled out.

huffingtonpost.com

We have only seen a few loose rocks tumbling compared to the social landslide that is going to hit us starting in January…

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:20:36am

Greets and saluts from a sunny and bright NYC metro area. It’s a welcome change from the past couple of days, but we badly needed the rain (and still do - we’re still facing a persistent drought here). We’re not alone with the drought, as it was one of the contributing factors in the wildfires in TN, where the death toll is at least 7, and I’ve seen reports it’s up to 11 killed. Hundreds of homes destroyed, thousands displaced, and Dollywood has come forward with a plan to help out all those whose homes were destroyed - $1000 a month for 6 months.

Among those whose homes were destroyed - the mayor of Gatlinburg, a bunch of city officials, and even a bunch of firefighters. Yeah, the region is going to feel this one for a very long time.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:21:55am

re: #161 Anymouse

Also Virginia, a Fairfax teacher wrote on a Latina student’s English class essay, “Are you legal? Or illegal? It depends on that factor for deportation. I hope you get to stay!”

The essay was assigned the day after the election, asking students to write how they felt about the results.

The student posted her paper with the teacher’s comment to Facebook, and Fairfax (VA) schools said the teacher’s comment is inappropriate and they are looking into it (meaning they are waiting for the storm to blow over so they can ignore it safely).

In the meantime the student has been transferred to a different English class, which the girl’s mother says makes her daughter feel singled out.

huffingtonpost.com

Really sad that happened in Fairfax. It’s a fairly progressive area but there were some bigots where I grew up too.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:23:07am

re: #158 Timothy Watson

I’m planning on having my 6th grader read Huckleberry Finn soon.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:23:34am

re: #160 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

COntext people, do you understand it?

This is what happens when public discourse is reduced to Tweets, bullet points and headlines.

Parental groups were challenging it long before those though. I agree they don’t help discourse though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:25:00am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Parental groups were challenging it long before those though. I agree they don’t help discourse though.

It is not just about using the n-word, it is about the context. In the context of a narrative about race relations in the antebellum or pre-CIvil Rights south, those words are nearly unavoidable.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:26:58am

re: #165 Belafon

I’m planning on having my 6th grader read Huckleberry Finn soon.

and explain that the appellative used to describe Jim was common back then but unacceptable today

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:28:55am

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is not just about using the n-word, it is about the context. In the context of a narrative about race relations in the antebellum or pre-CIvil Rights south, those words are nearly unavoidable.

I know. I’m merely saying that parental groups have tried to have those novels out of schools for some time now. People just don’t get context.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:29:54am

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and explain that the appellative used to describe Jim was common back then but unacceptable today

Yep, and from what I’ve read, Twain used the word specifically to signify that it was unacceptable.

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:30:11am

And this right here is why Trump supporters don’t care about facts or reality. They read it on Facebook, so it must be true:

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:30:44am

“Huckleberry Finn” frequently winds up on the American Library Association’s topped banned book lists. (I have never read the book; I am reading things more relevant to our times today, Recent books I have read to prepare myself for the coming conservative apocalypse are “Men Explain Things to Me” by Rebecca Solnit and “The Handmaid’s Tale” by Margaret Atwood.”)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:30:53am

I was part of an anti book censorship group in high school. The conservatives were the ones pushing those book bans so I don’t want to hear them whining about “PC” when many of them can’t even understand the concept of context in literature.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:31:43am

re: #158 Timothy Watson

One person bitched? One fucking person? Out of how many parents? ONE FUCKING PERSON!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:32:11am

re: #170 Belafon

Yep, and from what I’ve read, Twain used the word specifically to signify that it was unacceptable.

Some bowdlerizers even tried to replace “N*** Jim” with “Slave Jim”…and miss one of the key quotes of the novel when he explains “I am no longer a slave, but I will be a n*** all my life”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:32:20am

re: #171 lawhawk

And this right here is why Trump supporters don’t care about facts or reality. They read it on Facebook, so it must be true:

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Sigh this is what we’re dealing with. Such moronic bullshit. These people deserve Trump. The rest of us don’t but they certainly do.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:34:34am

I like Facebook. It’s a great social network platform but if you’re getting your news from there, you’re an idiot whether the source is “Occupy Democrats” or “The Common Sense Conservative.”

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:38:08am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I was part of an anti book censorship group in high school. The conservatives were the ones pushing those book bans so I don’t want to hear them whining about “PC” when many of them can’t even understand the concept of context in literature.

My wife used to be our village Public Library director. She had to deal with this crap all the time.

Our library was established in 1936, and amazingly never had a Bible as part of its collection.

My wife (a life-long atheist) went before the village Library Board and noted there were no religious texts in the library, despite the large number of religious people in the village.

The board approved her request to purchase a Bible and a Qur’an. (Interestingly, there were already books on Hinduism in the village public library.) While there are no Muslims in our town, she noted that as a government-owned library (most public libraries are actually run by non-profit organisations supported by local governments, our library is directly owned by the village government) it cannot play favourites in religious texts. The board approved her request.

Last year, for the first time since 1936, our village library had the principal religious texts of Christianity and Islam. God works in mysterious ways, especially through atheists.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:42:59am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

Sigh this is what we’re dealing with. Such moronic bullshit. These people deserve Trump. The rest of us don’t but they certainly do.

I don’t deserve the Dixie Swastika and Nazi Germany flags flying around my home. (To be fair, there are none of those in my village.)

I already broke my “in case of emergency break glass” case full of Canadian money. We have packed bags and our passports ready to flee to Canada or Mexico (I’ll take either one) if it becomes necessary, and have emptied our safety deposit box at the bank with our gold coins and silver bars.

I am that terrified. Thanks, Dems, for calculating years ago that you should only concentrate on certain states.

You know what? I have received five telephone calls and I don’t know how many E-mails from the Socialist Alternative party asking me to contact them. The Democratic Party can’t be bothered to even respond with an automated E-mail.

Why am I a Democrat?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:43:30am

re: #177 HappyWarrior

I like Facebook. It’s a great social network platform but if you’re getting your news from there, you’re an idiot whether the source is “Occupy Democrats” or “The Common Sense Conservative.”

exactly. FB is for finding out what your friends and family are up to, or which social events are taking place in your vicinity. It is now where you find out what is happening in your country or the rest of the world…

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:43:54am

re: #171 lawhawk

Trump Supporters Tell CNN Why They Think 3 Million People Voted Illegally: ‘You Could Find It on Facebook’ mediaite.com (VIDEO) pic.twitter.com
— Mediaite (@Mediaite) December 1, 2016

Undeniable proof that Drump supporters are low-information voters.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:45:04am

re: #181 Dr. Matt

Undeniable proof that Drump supporters are low-information voters.

I would note that CNN could have edited out those who had other responses than “it can be found on Facebook.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:45:39am

re: #182 Anymouse

I would note that CNN could have edited out those who had other responses than “it can be found on Facebook.”

Low-information news source…

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:51:52am

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Low-information news source…

Cable “news”, all of it, is nothing but a cesspool of infotainment. I have not turned on a news station (other than ESPN) since Nov 9th and have no plans to do so soon. They failed America.

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mmmirele  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:52:35am

re: #179 Anymouse

Can I just say that I’m getting tired of your whine at Democrats that the party failed because it didn’t expend effort in a part of the country which is blood-red? It’s tiresome to see the same whine over and over again and it’s not helpful.

Signed, I live in Arizona, in Mormon country, to boot, and I am not whining.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:52:36am

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Low-information news source…

I no longer get my news except from foreign sources such as the Canadian Broadcasting Company, the British Broadcasting Company, Deutsche Welle, my (print) magazine subscriptions such as The Economist and Foreign Affairs, Navy Times, and my local (print) newspapers.

Conservatives for a long time have tried to convinced American media outlets are biased. After many years, I agree. They are biased toward profit, not news.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:55:48am

re: #185 mmmirele

Can I just say that I’m getting tired of your whine at Democrats that the party failed because it didn’t expend effort in a part of the country which is blood-red? It’s tiresome to see the same whine over and over again and it’s not helpful.

Signed, I live in Arizona, in Mormon country, to boot, and I am not whining.

And she visited Arizona, because it looked like it was in play.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:55:49am

re: #185 mmmirele

Can I just say that I’m getting tired of your whine at Democrats that the party failed because it didn’t expend effort in a part of the country which is blood-red? It’s tiresome to see the same whine over and over again and it’s not helpful.

Signed, I live in Arizona, in Mormon country, to boot, and I am not whining.

Start counting electoral votes you want to give up without a fight: AL, MS, AR, TN, NC, SC. GA, TX, OK, NE, KS, ND, SD, ID, MT, UT, AZ, KY, and now MI, WI, PA.

I will keep whining until the Democrats decide they want to be a national party. Explain to me why I should be a Democrat. Socialist Alternative wants to talk to me. My own party has ignored its only elected official in ninety thousand miles for four years.

Explain to me why I should remain a Democrat when another party actually wants to support me.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:59:02am

re: #188 Anymouse

Uh…there was no campaigning in North Carolina? Or Arizona? Or Texas?

And you act surprised that some of the local committees/parties suck. It’s that way everywhere.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 7:59:59am

re: #189 Timothy Watson

Uh…there was no campaigning in North Carolina? Or Arizona? Or Texas?

And you act surprised that some of the local committees/parties suck. It’s that way everywhere.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:00:24am

Speaking of Hamilton, the History Channel or maybe it was American Heroes had a marathon about the American Revolution on Thanksgiving day last week. Anyhow, I was reminded how much immigrants contributed to the American Revolution. John Paul Jones, Baron Von Steuben, John Barry, and so many others.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:01:13am

At this point, I’d rather talk about Sarah Pailin heading the VA. I’m kind of glad that’s dropped off the radar, because everyone seems to know that Trump is trolling us.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:02:17am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Hamilton, the History Channel or maybe it was American Heroes had a marathon about the American Revolution on Thanksgiving day last week. Anyhow, I was reminded how much immigrants contributed to the American Revolution. John Paul Jones, Baron Von Steuben, John Barry, and so many others.

yes, but those were the “right” kind of immigrants

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:02:40am

AGAIN???

Can we go one fucking day without re-hashing arguments from yesterday or the day before that or last week or two weeks ago?

Please. Drop it.

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mmmirele  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:02:51am

re: #188 Anymouse

Go ahead, go with the other party’s support. But there aren’t unlimited piles of cash out there and hard choices had to be made. As Belophon pointed out, Clinton thought AZ was in play and spent money here. I am just tired of your continual whine when you won’t take responsibility for the fact thatyour part of the country is invincibly determined to vote for the GOP no matter what.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:03:24am

re: #193 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, but those were the “right” kind of immigrants

True. But the AG to be is also opposed to legal immigration as well.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:03:24am

re: #194 makeitstop

AGAIN???

Can we go one fucking day without re-hashing arguments from yesterday or the day before that or last week or two weeks ago?

Please. Drop it.

Well, someone is wrong on the internet.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:03:45am

re: #190 Anymouse

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:04:16am

re: #192 Belafon

At this point, I’d rather talk about Sarah Pailin heading the VA. I’m kind of glad that’s dropped off the radar, because everyone seems to know that Trump is trolling us.

I’m directly concerned, because I can imagine her being confirmed for that position. I depend on the VA to stay alive. Since the Republican Party must show that socialised medicine is a failure (or else conservative claims about it are), Sarah Palin would be the perfect choice to foul up the VA and give them reason to privatise it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:04:18am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

True. But the AG to be is also opposed to legal immigration as well.

ahem, the “right” kind of immigrants in the eyes of the alt-right…white northern European immigrants.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:05:03am

re: #199 Anymouse

I’m directly concerned, because I can imagine her being confirmed for that position. I depend on the VA to stay alive. Since the Republican Party must show that socialised medicine is a failure (or else conservative claims about it are), Sarah Palin would be the perfect choice to foul up the VA and give them reason to privatise it.

We can expect that any aspect of government that can generate some short-term profits will be privatized as quickly as possible.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:05:39am

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

ahem, the “right” kind of immigrants in the eyes of the alt-right…white northern European immigrants.

I know, Sessions is opposed to legal immigration as well. To be honest though, some of the immigrants that actually helped were Eastern European, I cross the Pulaski brdige evertytime I’m in Brooklyn.

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mmmirele  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:05:56am

The fact is we have the short-fingered vulgarian coming in as president. Whining about the last election is not going to help in stopping the shitton of crap headed our way.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:05:57am

re: #192 Belafon

At this point, I’d rather talk about Sarah Pailin heading the VA. I’m kind of glad that’s dropped off the radar, because everyone seems to know that Trump is trolling us.

dRump is a master-grade troller.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:06:10am

re: #194 makeitstop

AGAIN???

Can we go one fucking day without re-hashing arguments from yesterday or the day before that or last week or two weeks ago?

Please. Drop it.

No. Kick me off LGF. I’m sorry you have a Democrat that actually wants the Democratic Party to be a national party.

I will not give up this subject, because liberals in the heartland matter, (That noted, I am preparing to flee the country. Liberals won’t support each other.)

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:06:51am

re: #153 Anymouse

Love the Sister’s response. Powerful and true.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:07:13am

re: #199 Anymouse

I’m directly concerned, because I can imagine her being confirmed for that position. I depend on the VA to stay alive. Since the Republican Party must show that socialised medicine is a failure (or else conservative claims about it are), Sarah Palin would be the perfect choice to foul up the VA and give them reason to privatise it.

My siblings, my dad and his brothers, my BIL, a nephew, and I are all veterans or in the military. My dad goes to the VA. Yeah, she concerns me. But, in order to scare the shit out of those veterans that voted for Trump, I want her to go through the confirmation hearings. I don’t see her getting the nomination, though.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:09:05am

re: #207 Belafon

My siblings, my dad and his brothers, my BIL, a nephew, and I are all veterans or in the military. My dad goes to the VA. Yeah, she concerns me. But, in order to scare the shit out of those veterans that voted for Trump, I want her to go through the confirmation hearings. I don’t see her getting the nomination, though.

$5 says she does. It’s Okay if You’re a Republican.

For the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, the only person on that committee I can see challenging her (should she be nominated) is Senator Bernie Sanders. The rest? Nope.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:09:47am

re: #205 Anymouse

No. Kick me off LGF. I’m sorry you have a Democrat that actually wants the Democratic Party to be a national party.

I will not give up this subject, because liberals in the heartland matter, (That noted, I am preparing to flee the country. Liberals won’t support each other.)

I don’t have the power to kick you off, so here’s a compromise.

I’ll go get some work done, and you can ride your hobby horse for another few hours.

I’ll be back when the bottle of whine is empty.

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mmmirele  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:11:23am

re: #205 Anymouse

No. Kick me off LGF. I’m sorry you have a Democrat that actually wants the Democratic Party to be a national party.

I will not give up this subject, because liberals in the heartland matter, (That noted, I am preparing to flee the country. Liberals won’t support each other.)

And this is why I’m annoyed with you. You whine about the national party, but then you want to bail on the country. That just completely undermines your whine.

Stay on LGF, it’s Charles’ place and we’re guests. But know you’re not going to get a free pass.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:11:57am

re: #209 makeitstop

I don’t have the power to kick you off, so here’s a compromise.

I’ll go get some work done, and you can ride your hobby horse for another few hours.

I’ll be back when the bottle of whine is epmty.

I’m whining because I want a national party rather than a regional one. Okay.

As for bed, I need to go there. It is daytime and I sleep in the day. Vampire or something.

When you want to represent all Americans with a national political party, let me know. In the meantime, I will hold the Democratic lamp alone in ninety thousand square miles until I flee the country (probably in January).

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:12:29am

re: #188 Anymouse

I don’t understand why Dems aren’t fighting for votes everywhere either. We need to bring back Howard Dean’s 50-state strategy even if some red states are out of reach. Our 2020 goal must be to flip newly red states back to blue and make inroads in the redder states, especially the at the local level.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:13:13am
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electrotek  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:13:20am

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

ahem, the “right” kind of immigrants in the eyes of the alt-right…white northern European immigrants.

Unless the white immigrants happen to be Muslim (i.e. Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo, Russian Muslim provinces like Tatarstan).

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:13:38am

re: #211 Anymouse

I’m whining because I want a national party rather than a regional one. Okay.

As for bed, I need to go there. It is daytime and I sleep in the day. Vampire or something.

When you want to represent all Americans with a national political party, let me know. In the meantime, I will hold the Democratic lamp alone in ninety thousand square miles until I flee the country (probably in January).

And what? You expect the DNC to come into Nebraska and take over the state party and local committees until you’re satisfied as to their motivation?

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:14:57am

re: #153 Anymouse

While I am not a Christian, I can support the statement of Benedictine nun Sister Joan Chittister:

I would add “death penalty” to that, but Sister Chittister was specifically addressing the pro-forced-birther starve-em-post birth conservatives.

As a Catholic school kid, this is the type of logic from the nuns I always admired. Mind you…I said nuns.

The priests are a bit different story.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:15:11am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:15:31am

re: #214 electrotek

Unless the white immigrants happen to be Muslim (i.e. Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo, Russian Muslim provinces like Tatarstan).

Northern European and in the past, they had a problem with the whole Northern European Irish who were predominately Catholic even though the aforementioned John Barry, father of the American Navy was an Irish Catholic from Wexford.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:15:31am

re: #212 Patricia Kayden

I don’t understand why Dems aren’t fighting for votes everywhere either. We need to bring back Howard Dean’s 50-state strategy even if some red states are out of reach. Our 2020 goal must be to flip newly red states back to blue and make inroads in the redder states, especially the at the local level.

It need to be our 2018 goal.

Many state legislatures elected in 2018 will be in place when the 2020 Census is conducted. It is those 2018 legislatures that will be redrawing House districts. Quite possibly the 2018 election will be the determinant if the Democratic Party can survive outside regional areas.

If 2018 goes and the GOP gets to gerrymander the House districts further, the Democratic Party will be made irrelevant outside certain states by legislative fiat.

Run candidates or concede. Those are the only options.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:17:02am

re: #216 ObserverArt

As a Catholic school kid, this is the type of logic from the nuns I always admired. Mind you…I said nuns.

The priests are a bit different story.

My Dad always feared the nuns. Only one of his six siblings that did not graduate from a Catholic high school. I think I get a lot of my rebellious streak from him.The priests though, Nana’s oldest brother was one which was pretty interesting. And he was a WWII veteran as well.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:17:20am

re: #156 Timothy Watson

OFFS

WUSA 9
about an hour ago
Noooo! not “The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn” and “To Kill a Mockingbird.” Thoughts?

Wow….it’s like that has never been done before.

How many times?

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Tigger2  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:18:51am

re: #97 Dr. Matt

Butt hurt on Max Level.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:18:54am

Fox News Cheers Trump Over 1,000 Carrier Jobs; Denounced Obama For Saving 1.5 Million Auto Industry Jobs

Lots of people might forget, especially in light of the bailout’s stunning success, but Obama’s push to help the Detroit industry once served as a defining line of GOP attack. The bailout symbolized the dangers of Obama’s alleged socialist/gangster leanings. This, despite the fact it was actually President George W. Bush who unveiled the first phase of the bailout plan during the final weeks of his presidency, in order to “avoid a collapse of the U.S. auto industry.”

Nonetheless, the topic soon became a cornerstone of the Tea Party and its overheated attacks on Obama, amplified by Fox News.

Remember how Varney this week toasted Trump for having “strong-armed” Carrier? Back in 2009, the host was furious that Obama was allegedly trying strong arm the public into buying American cars: “[N]ow you’re in the position where the government somehow has to coerce or force us all into buying the small cars that it insists Detroit puts out.” (Varney routinely whined that Obama was a “bully” to business.)

Meanwhile, Glenn Beck, then with Fox News, claimed the bailout reminded him of “the early days of Adolf Hitler.” Fox favorite Michelle Malkin compared the auto deal to a “crap sandwich,” and a “lemon” the U.S. taxpayers would be stuck with “for life.”

Hannity himself berated Obama for engaging in what he called a “mission to hijack capitalism.” And in the infamous words of Rush Limbaugh, it was as if General Motors and Chrysler “bent over and grabbed the ankles.” (Limbaugh loves Trump’s Carrier deal, by the way.)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:19:22am

I think the best thing to do is for local Democrats to build their areas up. The DNC or even President Obama or Hillary Clinton isn’t a popular group or individual in many parts of the country. However, if people start seeing Democrats as their neighbors and friends who just happen to be Democrats, then that will make things easier. Unfortunately and I know it’s a point of contention, it’s hard to have a truly 50 state presidential electoral strategy. Our base is in urban areas. Naturally our candidates prefer to campaign there.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:19:37am

re: #215 Timothy Watson

And what? You expect the DNC to come into Nebraska and take over the state party and local committees until you’re satisfied as to their motivation?

Not until I am satisfied. What state party? They don’t even answer the phone. I would be satisfied with any answer from the Democrats other than E-mails telling me to send more money to the DCCC when it can’t be bothered to run candidates for my House district.

I don’t expect any party to align with all my views. I do expect my party to bother to campaign. What is so hard about this for people here to understand? The GOP campaigns in every district, and runs candidates in every election for every position.

I repeat: What is so hard about this? You can run candidates, or you can whine about how all the Red states continually vote for GOP candidates. Which would you rather do?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:19:38am

re: #223 Dr. Matt

Fox News Cheers Trump Over 1,000 Carrier Jobs; Denounced Obama For Saving 1.5 Million Auto Industry Jobs

Who’s shocked?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:20:04am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Who’s shocked?

Where’s the deplorable outrage? HE’S PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS!!!! OUTRAGE!!!

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:21:16am

re: #174 Eventual Carrion

One person bitched? One fucking person? Out of how many parents? ONE FUCKING PERSON!

Not enough oil for the squeaky wheel.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:21:30am

re: #225 Anymouse

Not until I am satisfied. What state party? They don’t even answer the phone. I would be satisfied with any answer from the Democrats other than E-mails telling me to send more money to the DCCC when it can’t be bothered to run candidates for my House district.

I don’t expect any party to align with all my views. I do expect my party to bother to campaign. What is so hard about this for people here to understand? The GOP campaigns in every district, and runs candidates in every election for every position.

I repeat: What is so hard about this? You can run candidates, or you can whine about how all the Red states continually vote for GOP candidates. Which would you rather do?

So, you plan on running for your state party’s State Central Committee then?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:22:53am

re: #225 Anymouse

Not until I am satisfied. What state party? They don’t even answer the phone. I would be satisfied with any answer from the Democrats other than E-mails telling me to send more money to the DCCC when it can’t be bothered to run candidates for my House district.

I don’t expect any party to align with all my views. I do expect my party to bother to campaign. What is so hard about this for people here to understand? The GOP campaigns in every district, and runs candidates in every election for every position.

I repeat: What is so hard about this? You can run candidates, or you can whine about how all the Red states continually vote for GOP candidates. Which would you rather do?

Except we did campaign in many of those red states you talked about. Timothy even cited Tim Kaine and Bill Clinton campaigning in Texas for you. Hillary herself had a big rally in Arizona on election day eve. I agree. We should definitely run candidates in the brightest red areas. We just don’t have unlimited resources. If those areas are going to turn blue or even purple or a lighter shade of red, it’s going to have to come from the ground up. The national Democratic Party can’t be expected to realistically turn an area that way when the residents of that area are in many ways hostile to them. And I’m not saying everyone there is an ignorant idiot either, I’m saying that a lot of people in the heartland hold views on the issues that re in direct conflict with ours.

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Tigger2  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:23:11am

re: #150 darthstar

He forgot to say ‘even the losers’…

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He’s probably tired of talking about his base.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:24:40am

If anyone wants to play the “they didn’t campaign here” game, here’s a list of Clinton’s and her surrogates’ campaign stops:
hillaryspeeches.com

Here’s the November 2016 list since it’s not linked in the index:
hillaryspeeches.com

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:25:01am

re: #184 Dr. Matt

Cable “news”, all of it, is nothing but a cesspool of infotainment. I have not turned on a news station (other than ESPN) since Nov 9th and have no plans to do so soon. They failed America.

I wish there was a way to get all of America to stop watching cable news for a month. But I know it could never be done.

Just one month would send such a message.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:26:00am

Listen, it’s just common sense to me. The DNC, President Obama, and other national Democrats are not popular in many parts of the country. They just aren’t. However, if some local individuals in those communities whether they be lawyers, doctors, teachers, veterans, etc happen to be well liked by their neighbors and they happen to be Democrats and they seek office, that’s going to what drives the party’s success upward in those places NOT the DNC. Virginia has gone blue the past three presidential elections and three of our last four governors have been Democrats because on a local level, Democrats became more than just the outsider.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:28:11am

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:30:04am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

And Virginia would still be beet-red if it wasn’t for 15%-35%+ margins in Northern Virginia jurisdictions for Democrats.

But, hey, schedule a campaign stop in Wise County, Virginia because there aren’t better places a Presidential candidate could be.

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jeffreyw  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:30:40am

“Low information voter” is a misnomer. These voters consume tons of information - a fire-hose of information - day in and day out. It’s just that “information” is a content neutral descriptor. Good, bad, true, false, incomplete, irrelevant, or too much (Gish Gallop) all work better.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:31:19am

The DNC does need to do more. No question about it but I disagree with the premise that they just wrote certain areas off as going Republican anyhow. I do think they underestimated Trump in the upper Midwest but that’s another story IMO. Honestly, the great struggle is how do you talk to voters who think that so many of the issues we champion are “identity issues”, I feel we can still talk to the working class about economics while at the same time championing social equality as well, however what the Republicans do is get those voters to resent the other. Timothy’s talked about it before but this really has its roots in the backlash against the Great Society. The white working class was one of the strongest supporters of the New Deal and were supportive of the Great Society too until the Republicans told them “Hey ya know black people an dother people are going to get this stuff too” and it’s been a struggle ever since to gain those voters back into the fold. We have to stop viewing the working class with rose colored glasses and realize that they certainly do vote with their prejudices.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:32:11am

re: #236 Timothy Watson

And Virginia would still be beet-red if it wasn’t for 15%-35%+ margins in Northern Virginia jurisdictions

But, hey, schedule a campaign stop in Wise County, Virginia because there aren’t better places a Presidential candidate could be.

Yeah NOVA is why we’ve gotten better. And it’s because of our diversity in NOVA.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:33:39am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

And it will take a while. A woman, former engineer at one of the big companies here, ran for a state House position here in blood red Rockwall. She lost.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:34:10am

The problem ultimately to me is that so many white working class voters don’t want to hear that their wages and jobs are just as important as a woman’s right to choose, a LGBT individual’s right not to be discriminated against, or an African-American or other racial minority group’s not to be stereotyped as a criminal.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:35:45am

re: #240 Belafon

And it will take a while. A woman, former engineer at one of the big companies here, ran for a state House position here in blood red Rockwall. She lost.

It will. Individual Dems in those communities need to do what the GOP’s been doing for years in those areas. And the Democratic base needs to get it through their mind that every election from the most local to the highest office is of equal importance, hell I’d argue the lower level are even more important.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:35:59am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

The DNC does need to do more. No question about it but I disagree with the premise that they just wrote certain areas off as going Republican anyhow. I do think they underestimated Trump in the upper Midwest but that’s another story IMO. Honestly, the great struggle is how do you talk to voters who think that so many of the issues we champion are “identity issues”, I feel we can still talk to the working class about economics while at the same time championing social equality as well, however what the Republicans do is get those voters to resent the other. Timothy’s talked about it before but this really has its roots in the backlash against the Great Society. The white working class was one of the strongest supporters of the New Deal and were supportive of the Great Society too until the Republicans told them “Hey ya know black people an dother people are going to get this stuff too” and it’s been a struggle ever since to gain those voters back into the fold. We have to stop viewing the working class with rose colored glasses and realize that they certainly do vote with their prejudices.

The answer is, when we can get through the FOX news wall, is that economic issues are social issues and vice versa. They’re all moral issues.

But, here’s the big thing, there are plenty of voters in places like where I live where abortion is the only thing they care about. And that’s because we have the kind of money here that allows them to vote on something other than economics.

Edit: And we’ll never solve the economic issues until we solve the “identity” issues, and we’ll never solve the identity issues until we solve the economic ones. In other words, we have to do them at the same time.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:36:12am

We’ll see if I survive a recall petition at my next village board meeting.

How many Democrats here are willing to help us liberals evacuate Red states (by putting up real money for that)?

I’m off to bed. G’night y’all (for varying definitions of “night”)

In the meantime, my wife tells me she wants to consider the idea of leaving the country. She (as a former Libertarian but now a Democrat) is convinced the Democratic Party is only concerned with holding certain states (she herself calls the Democrats a regional party and the Libertarians a national party).

You aren’t living in an area where a Christian Identity church wants me killed. Where Nazi flags are flying on major ranching operations. Where Democratic council members are subject to recall for supporting Hillary Clinton.

I need a break from Little Green Footballs. It is too much an echo chamber that is uninterested in a national party nor engaging in solutions that benefit all.

I will continue to read LGF because many posters here have insight into national and regional problems I am truly interested in.

Those that think my part of the country does not matter and don’t think Democrats should even bother trying to address us are the overwhelming majority of what seems to constitute a left-wing echo chamber.

My village board meeting is December 5. If a recall petition to remove me from office is presented, I will resign. With no support from my state or county party at all, I do not see how my position remains tenable. If nothing else, a resignation allows me to flee the country before Rep. Steve King (R-IA) submits his American version of the Nuremberg Laws.

This is not a flounce: I will stay to read. My posts are not wanted though, so I won’t post and upset those who do not think that huge list of electoral votes I listed above are worth fighting for. It isn’t the GOP that’s a regional party, it’s my own, and I am saddened that Socialist Alternative has the time and inclination to try to recruit me (by E-mail, by letter, and by telephone) but the Democrats don’t have the time or inclination to run candidates for office.

The Democratic message is not lost on Middle America: As I mentioned, in the 2014 election I unseated the bloody gun shop owner for his village board seat. For that I get bupkis from the party, and complaints from people here that I am whining.

Fine. I’ll stick around and read, but I have better things to do (like go round the village and convince people that a recall petition against me is agains their interests and if they really want me off the board then vote against me in 2018 if I haven’t already fled the country.)

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:36:34am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

My Dad always feared the nuns. Only one of his six siblings that did not graduate from a Catholic high school. I think I get a lot of my rebellious streak from him.The priests though, Nana’s oldest brother was one which was pretty interesting. And he was a WWII veteran as well.

I understand the fear factor. I was talking about the thinking of the nuns…their logic about things religious and Catholic. Yes, some of them could be quite mean, but they still had a logic to them based on simple reality where a lot of time the priests were strict idealists.

And many times the nuns held to their beliefs where the priests did not.

I’ll put it this way. Many times a cold nun could be discovered to have a warm heart. Too many times a priest could act like they had a warm heart and then you’d find out they were really cold.

And that is based on my experiences. It would take a book to explain!

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Franklin  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:36:42am

I haven’t followed the back and forth over the last few days/weeks but Anymouse is right. There needs to be a 50 state strategy that gets grassroots growing in all areas of the country.

We don’t need the D Candidate for 2020 campaigning in every red town; but we do need recognition from the national party that we have to plant the seeds there. That starts in school committees, town selectman, local government, etc.

There has to be a support system to do that. That doesn’t mean dedicating funds to every town, but some direction would be great.

Like I said yesterday:

The good people of NE (or insert another red state) that would like to join the Democratic party are not going to up and run for School Committee, Town Selectman, City Council, Governors Council, State Senate without a plan. And THAT is where it starts.

You don’t just run a candidate for NE-3 against Adrian Smith. Wile that would be great, they’d likely get shellacked. You have to get people in at the ground floor. That’s what the other side did. Then they gerrymandered the shit out of it.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:37:35am

re: #240 Belafon

And it will take a while. A woman, former engineer at one of the big companies here, ran for a state House position here in blood red Rockwall. She lost.

And when a Congressional candidate works his ass off but only manages to get 35% of the vote, again, it’s hard finding a candidate next time around.

And when local (i.e., county-level) committees regularly get their asses kicked in local elections, it’s hard motivating them.

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Anymouse  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:39:26am

re: #229 Timothy Watson

So, you plan on running for your state party’s State Central Committee then?

The state party won’t return my calls. The county party won’t return my calls. I’m not sure how I could do that if they don’t want to acknowledge the only elected official they have in a ninety thousand square mile area. I am open to suggestions on how to get them to return my calls.

As for running for higher offices than the one I currently hold, I know how opposition research works. I would not be a good candidate for Representative or Senator. I can support a good candidate, but if I ran I would be eviscerated and I know it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:41:31am

re: #244 Anymouse

We’ll see if I survive a recall petition at my next village board meeting.

How many Democrats here are willing to help us liberals evacuate Red states (by putting up real money for that)?

I’m off to bed. G’night y’all (for varying definitions of “night”)

In the meantime, my wife tells me she wants to consider the idea of leaving the country. She (as a former Libertarian but now a Democrat) is convinced the Democratic Party is only concerned with holding certain states (she herself calls the Democrats a regional party and the Libertarians a national party).

You aren’t living in an area where a Christian Identity church wants me killed. Where Nazi flags are flying on major ranching operations. Where Democratic council members are subject to recall for supporting Hillary Clinton.

I need a break from Little Green Footballs. It is too much an echo chamber that is uninterested in a national party nor engaging in solutions that benefit all.

I will continue to read LGF because many posters here have insight into national and regional problems I am truly interested in.

Those that think my part of the country does not matter and don’t think Democrats should even bother trying to address us are the overwhelming majority of what seems to constitute a left-wing echo chamber.

My village board meeting is December 5. If a recall petition to remove me from office is presented, I will resign. With no support from my state or county party at all, I do not see how my position remains tenable. If nothing else, a resignation allows me to flee the country before Rep. Steve King (R-IA) submits his American version of the Nuremberg Laws.

This is not a flounce: I will stay to read. My posts are not wanted though, so I won’t post and upset those who do not think that huge list of electoral votes I listed above are worth fighting for. It isn’t the GOP that’s a regional party, it’s my own, and I am saddened that Socialist Alternative has the time and inclination to try to recruit me (by E-mail, by letter, and by telephone) but the Democrats don’t have the time or inclination to run candidates for office.

The Democratic message is not lost on Middle America: As I mentioned, in the 2014 election I unseated the bloody gun shop owner for his village board seat. For that I get bupkis from the party, and complaints from people here that I am whining.

Fine. I’ll stick around and read, but I have better things to do (like go round the village and convince people that a recall petition against me is agains their interests and if they really want me off the board then vote against me in 2018 if I haven’t already fled the country.)

Why resign? Run as yourself who happens to be a Democrat. That IS how you’re going to build a Democratic presence in those areas. Maybe if your neighbors see that “Hey AM is a Democrat and he does a good job as your village trustee maybe we can elect a Dem to other places as well”, it won’t happen overnight but by resigning your position and even leaving the country possibly, you’re just enabling them. No one has said your part of the country should be outright ignored. Many of us do feel that if the party is ever going to be successful in your neck of the woods, it will be not because of the national party but because of local individuals who show the locals that the Democratic Party is a force for good.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:41:59am

re: #248 Anymouse

The state party won’t return my calls. The county party won’t return my calls. I’m not sure how I could do that if they don’t want to acknowledge the only elected official they have in a ninety thousand square mile area. I am open to suggestions on how to get them to return my calls.

As for running for higher offices than the one I currently hold, I know how opposition research works. I would not be a good candidate for Representative or Senator. I can support a good candidate, but if I ran I would be eviscerated and I know it.

Do they hold a canvass or convention to elect local party officials? Are they required to advertise or post calls for those meetings online?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:42:21am

re: #245 ObserverArt

I understand the fear factor. I was talking about the thinking of the nuns…their logic about things religious and Catholic. Yes, some of them could be quite mean, but they still had a logic to them based on simple reality where a lot of time the priests were strict idealists.

And many times the nuns held to their beliefs where the priests did not.

I’ll put it this way. Many times a cold nun could be discovered to have a warm heart. Too many times a priest could act like they had a warm heart and then you’d find out they were really cold.

And that is based on my experiences. It would take a book to explain!

Yeah I’ve come to respect the nuns a lot as I learn more about them.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:43:49am

re: #225 Anymouse

Not until I am satisfied. What state party? They don’t even answer the phone. I would be satisfied with any answer from the Democrats other than E-mails telling me to send more money to the DCCC when it can’t be bothered to run candidates for my House district.

I don’t expect any party to align with all my views. I do expect my party to bother to campaign. What is so hard about this for people here to understand? The GOP campaigns in every district, and runs candidates in every election for every position.

I repeat: What is so hard about this? You can run candidates, or you can whine about how all the Red states continually vote for GOP candidates. Which would you rather do?

I think overall most lizards are with you ‘mouse. But you have to remember this is a pretty smart group and maybe the repetitiveness of some of your comments wears thin with some. It happens. Keep ‘em fresh! We know the road you travel. Lonely as it is.

Actually some of the overall frustration with Democrats in ALL 50 states factors in too.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:45:04am

re: #246 Franklin

I haven’t followed the back and forth over the last few days/weeks but Anymouse is right. There needs to be a 50 state strategy that gets grassroots growing in all areas of the country.

We don’t need the D Candidate for 2020 campaigning in every red town; but we do need recognition from the national party that we have to plant the seeds there. That starts in school committees, town selectman, local government, etc.

There has to be a support system to do that. That doesn’t mean dedicating funds to every town, but some direction would be great.

Like I said yesterday:

It isn’t the job of the DNC to micromanage what are thousands of local committees to motivate them to get off their collective asses, run candidates, and actually work to get Democrats elected.

Can’t speak for other states’ organization, but in Virginia every jurisdiction (county or independent city) has its own local Democratic committee. Every congressional district has its own committee. Every state house and state senate district has its own committee.

How do you expect the DNC to micromanage everyone of those committees?

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:45:08am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:45:15am

So you do get the DNC’s money. That’s actually easier for the local Republicans to write one off as a “DNC shill” but if you run as yourself in these areas, they can’t do that. Sure, it’s better to have resources by your side especially in a post Citizens United nation but when you don’t, it’s easier to run as an individual and avoid the accusations that you’re just a water carrier for the DNC and the “coastal elites.”

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:46:46am

re: #219 Anymouse

Yep. Run candidates everywhere. Win or lose, it’s a way to get our message out on a local level in each state.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:48:11am

re: #237 jeffreyw

“Low information voter” is a misnomer. These voters consume tons of information - a fire-hose of information - day in and day out. It’s just that “information” is a content neutral descriptor. Good, bad, true, false, incomplete, irrelevant, or too much (Gish Gallop) all work better.

More like “Misinformation” or “Disinformation” voter.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:48:56am

re: #256 Patricia Kayden

Yep. Run candidates everywhere. Win or lose, it’s a way to get our message out on a local level in each state.

I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. I think the disagreement really is that you have to show the people there that the Democratic Party and its members are more than just some distant elite. If you don’t get the party’s money or resources, that’s regrettable but if you find yourself in that situation, you can always use it to your advantange too. I once worked on a campaign whose campaign manager was a guy I went to college with. Now our campaign lost in the end unfortunately but that was a true grassroots campaign.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:51:38am

re: #256 Patricia Kayden

Yep. Run candidates everywhere. Win or lose, it’s a way to get our message out on a local level in each state.

I’ve thought about what it would take to run a decent campaign against John Ratcliffe. The area he represents is large. Whoever ran would have to be able to campaign full time over the next two years. I don’t have that kind of time or money.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:51:52am

Anyhow, we’ve been having this debate for nearly a month now. Hopefully the DNC does change its strategy but it’s not going to be on the DNC ultimately, Democratic voters need to vote how Republicans do, they need to see how every election effects them in some way.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:52:04am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. I think the disagreement really is that you have to show the people there that the Democratic Party and its members are more than just some distant elite. If you don’t get the party’s money or resources, that’s regrettable but if you find yourself in that situation, you can always use it to your advantange too. I once worked on a campaign whose campaign manager was a guy I went to college with. Now our campaign lost in the end unfortunately but that was a true grassroots campaign.

Speaking of money, this is what running against an incumbent Congressman looks like:

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:52:06am

re: #244 Anymouse

…

I need a break from Little Green Footballs. It is too much an echo chamber that is uninterested in a national party nor engaging in solutions that benefit all.

I will continue to read LGF because many posters here have insight into national and regional problems I am truly interested in.

Those that think my part of the country does not matter and don’t think Democrats should even bother trying to address us are the overwhelming majority of what seems to constitute a left-wing echo chamber.

…

I think you’ve said this before. And no one thinks your part of the country doesn’t matter. They are trying to be realistic.

How do you explain that Donald Trump got elected?

I suggest any answer to that will tell you there are large issues with Democrats/Liberals/Progressive in the entire U S of A…not just your part of America.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:53:40am

re: #261 Timothy Watson

Speaking of money, this is what running against an incumbent Congressman looks like:

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Yep.

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BeachDem  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:55:44am

re: #225 Anymouse

Not until I am satisfied. What state party? They don’t even answer the phone. I would be satisfied with any answer from the Democrats other than E-mails telling me to send more money to the DCCC when it can’t be bothered to run candidates for my House district.

I don’t expect any party to align with all my views. I do expect my party to bother to campaign. What is so hard about this for people here to understand? The GOP campaigns in every district, and runs candidates in every election for every position.

I repeat: What is so hard about this? You can run candidates, or you can whine about how all the Red states continually vote for GOP candidates. Which would you rather do?

It’s not the national organization that “runs” candidates in local or state offices. I agree that there could be more support from national party folks, but as Tip O’Neill said, “All politics are local.”

I also live in a totally red state, where we don’t have a single Democrat in a statewide office position, and have 1 Democrat in Washington. I live in the reddest county in the reddest district. And yes, it is frustrating, but we work to change things every day. We have clubs in every section of the district; we have groups who work on voter registration and poll-watcher training and for gun sense, helping to train local people to run for office, etc. My group, which is a Democratic women’s group sponsors a scholarship program to engage young Democrats and to address women’s issues. We reach out to newcomers to the area, try to be visible to attract interest and encourage our members to participate in non-political groups to spread the word to other women.

The only way we get national Dems to come to our area is by putting together events, working our asses off to make them happen, and convincing the national folks that it will be worth their time and effort to come to talk. (we do get some during the primaries, because of the “First in the South” designation, but even then, it takes a lot of work on the local level to snag an event.)

Yes, it can be discouraging, and it would be nice to not be abandoned by the DSCC and DCCC, but until the local strength builds, they’d basically be pouring money down the drain here when it can be put to better use other places. It has to start at the bottom—as frustrating as that can be.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2016 • 8:58:30am

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This makes me sad. Poor doggie.

And with that…time to get busy and go into lurk mode.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:00:46am

Again I guess to me where I find myself frustrated is I feel it hard to communicate with people who see so many of the issues we champion and hold dear as mere “identity politics.” Hell even some who agree with us like Senator Sanders seem to feel this way about those issues and that’s not right. The concerns of working class voters who have lost their jobs in the Rust Belt are certainly valid and I don’t think any Democrat feels they aren’t but you know what, a lot of those voters don’t feel my female friends and family’s concerns about their right to reproductive choice is important, they don’t see why my LGBT friends and family want to be protected against discrimination, or how my racial minority friends and family don’t want to be treated like an other in a country that is just as much theirs as mine or any other white person’s. As I said, Timothy has had it right when he cites the genesis of this really going back to how the right took advantage of working class anger not just in the South but throughout the country that the promise of the New Deal and Great Society were goign to everyone regardless of their race. Th’at’s a truth that I think many champions of the working class don’t want to admit but it’s true. The Reagan Democrats supported Reagan because Reagan knew how to talk to their resentments in a way no Republican before had and it’s been a tough battle ever since.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:04:56am

I might have to read this. It’s on the NYTimes Best Books of 2016 list.

Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:05:33am

In the end, preachers aren’t preaching that being working class is a sin nor are they using their parishioners money to fund campaigns against them. White working class people don’t have to fear every interaction they have with cops. White working class people aren’t being told they have to bury remains of a fetus from an abortion or miscarriage. The economic populists can dismiss these as identity politics all they want but the fact of the matter is, so called identity politics is a reaction to the Republicans waging identity politics on people in the first place. They ARE the ones telling our transgendered friends and family that they can’t use the bathroom of their choice because they view them as sexual predators. They are the ones telling our women friends and family that they need to be guilt tripped by the state for abortions and miscarriages. They are the ones who want to continue the status quo of policing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:06:43am

In the end the Republicans use these cultural issues because they know it motivates their voter base. They know their voters are more motivated by fear and loathing then they are actual conservative principles on economics.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:07:51am

Okay, I’m done ranting.

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:08:25am

re: #268 Birth Control Works

I might have to read this. It’s on the NYTimes Best Books of 2016 list.

Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are?

The IQ test for your dog? Drop a towel over its head; time how long until he figures out how to get it off.

Also, if you’re going to get an indoor dog who will be alone all day… stupid is better. They’re less likely to tear things up out of boredom.

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Franklin  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:10:08am

re: #253 Timothy Watson

It isn’t the job of the DNC to micromanage what are thousands of local committees to motivate them to get off their collective asses, run candidates, and actually work to get Democrats elected.

Can’t speak for other states’ organization, but in Virginia every jurisdiction (county or independent city) has its own local Democratic committee. Every congressional district has its own committee. Every state house and state senate district has its own committee.

How do you expect the DNC to micromanage everyone of those committees?

But we aren’t talking about micromanaging here. The DNC has 50 state committees to manage. Each state committee in turn has congressional district committees, then from there the localities.

It’s probably the only part of politics that can (or should) be run like a business. HQ (the DNC) has general goals and objectives. Each regional director (state committee) parses those goals to see how their jurisdiction can meet them. It won’t be the same in NE or AZ. MA or OH. Then each franchise owner (local committees) parse the regional goals.

Support in terms of dollars, databases, outreach targeting apps, white papers flow from top to bottom.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:12:36am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Again I guess to me where I find myself frustrated is I feel it hard to communicate with people who see so many of the issues we champion and hold dear as mere “identity politics.” Hell even some who agree with us like Senator Sanders seem to feel this way about those issues and that’s not right. The concerns of working class voters who have lost their jobs in the Rust Belt are certainly valid and I don’t think any Democrat feels they aren’t but you know what, a lot of those voters don’t feel my female friends and family’s concerns about their right to reproductive choice is important, they don’t see why my LGBT friends and family want to be protected against discrimination, or how my racial minority friends and family don’t want to be treated like an other in a country that is just as much theirs as mine or any other white person’s. As I said, Timothy has had it right when he cites the genesis of this really going back to how the right took advantage of working class anger not just in the South but throughout the country that the promise of the New Deal and Great Society were goign to everyone regardless of their race. Th’at’s a truth that I think many champions of the working class don’t want to admit but it’s true. The Reagan Democrats supported Reagan because Reagan knew how to talk to their resentments in a way no Republican before had and it’s been a tough battle ever since.

Honestly, somehow, they think times are desperate enough, economically, to warrant eliminating any competition for jobs or stock profits. They don’t think of it that way, Sean Hannity has a way of making it seem so reasonable, or just plain unjustified —these people just don’t understand.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:14:17am

re: #272 sagehen

The IQ test for your dog? Drop a towel over its head; time how long until he figures out how to get it off.

Also, if you’re going to get an indoor dog who will be alone all day… stupid is better. They’re less likely to tear things up out of boredom.

Yes, this is all true :)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:15:16am

re: #223 Dr. Matt

Fox News Cheers Trump Over 1,000 Carrier Jobs; Denounced Obama For Saving 1.5 Million Auto Industry Jobs

The point is, he promised to keep US jobs. He did. Therefore, he fulfilled his promise. Ergo, he will fulfill ALL his other promises and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

Now suck it up and stop whining about the popular vote.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:17:17am

re: #274 Birth Control Works

Honestly, somehow, they think times are desperate enough, economically, to warrant eliminating any competition for jobs or stock profits. They don’t think of it that way, Sean Hannity has a way of making it seem so reasonable, or just plain unjustified —these people just don’t understand.

I think so many of them don’t want to understand honestly. Plus the other thing is they see everyone else on the same public assistance they get as a moocher. Their benefits from say the VA are justified but others who get those same benefits are just losers. It’s a struggle to communicate with people like that.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:17:51am

re: #273 Franklin

But we aren’t talking about micromanaging here. The DNC has 50 state committees to manage. Each state committee in turn has congressional district committees, then from there the localities.

It’s probably the only part of politics that can (or should) be run like a business. HQ (the DNC) has general goals and objectives. Each regional director (state committee) parses those goals to see how their jurisdiction can meet them. It won’t be the same in NE or AZ. MA or OH. Then each franchise owner (local committees) parse the regional goals.

Support in terms of dollars, databases, outreach targeting apps, white papers flow from top to bottom.

Except that State Party Chairs don’t answer to the DNC or the DCCC. In Virginia, they’re appointed at the State Convention and nominally answer to the State Central Committee.

And the Congressional District Committees don’t answer to the DNC or DCCC either. In Virginia, the members of those committees are State Central Committee members who live in the congressional district and “one Democratic member of the General
Assembly and three county or city representatives”.

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b.d.  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:19:37am

re: #276 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The point is, he promised to keep US jobs. He did. Therefore, he fulfilled his promise. Ergo, he will fulfill ALL his other promises and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

Now suck it up and stop whining about the popular vote.

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I’m already tired of all this winning.

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:21:01am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

In the end the Republicans use these cultural issues because they know it motivates their voter base. They know their voters are more motivated by fear and loathing then they are actual conservative principles on economics.

This was a deliberate merger dating back to the late 70’s.

Before that time, born-again fundies mostly believed that politics was ungodly, they would be irredeemably tainted by participating in earthly power politics to any degree beyond spend the half an hour to show up on election day.

The Reaganauts (this was a couple of years before they became Reaganites) cut a deal with the leading white evangelicals of the day; the tax cut/deregulation folks would overtly push the racism/patriarchy crap, in return for which the Southern Baptists would make right wing economics a tenet of the faith.

This many years later, very few people in either faction remember that this was a cynical calculation; whole generations have grown up hearing this from the pulpits and in Sunday School (and homeschool) for so long they’re honestly convinced that we’ve always been at war with Oceania.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are still of the “too earthly, stay out of it” belief. They don’t even vote. They fear it would corrupt their souls to participate in deciding what government and laws other people should be subject to.

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electrotek  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:22:40am

On another note, I forgot Volkswagen NA had sent me their offer for my Golf TDI as part of the buyback a few days ago. I finally got around to it and this is the offer they gave me:

Not bad for a 2012 4 door Golf TDI with the DSG transmission with 69,000 miles at the time the paperwork was filed. I have 70,200 miles on it and I only drive it once a week to keep the miles low so I don’t get dinged for it.

I just need to sign the paperwork and have it notarized before I upload the documents to the Claims website for further review. And then I’ll have my buyback appointment booked which will have to be in January or February so I can use that money along with my savings to purchase a home sooner or later.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:23:44am

re: #280 sagehen

This was a deliberate merger dating back to the late 70’s.

Before that time, born-again fundies mostly believed that politics was ungodly, they would be irredeemably tainted by participating in earthly power politics to any degree beyond spend the half an hour to show up on election day.

The Reaganauts (this was a couple of years before they became Reaganites) cut a deal with the leading white evangelicals of the day; the tax cut/deregulation folks would overtly push the racism/patriarchy crap, in return for which the Southern Baptists would make right wing economics a tenet of the faith.

This many years later, very few people in either faction remember that this was a cynical calculation; whole generations have grown up hearing this from the pulpits and in Sunday School (and homeschool) for so long they’re honestly convinced that we’ve always been at war with Oceania.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are still of the “too earthly, stay out of it” belief. They don’t even vote. They fear it would corrupt their souls to participate in deciding what government and laws other people should be subject to.

There was a time when many Evangelicals had quite radical economic beliefs but they as you got at made that deal and now Laissez-Faire capitalism is part of the Sunday sermon.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:24:16am

re: #241 HappyWarrior

The problem ultimately to me is that so many white working class voters don’t want to hear that their wages and jobs are just as important as a woman’s right to choose, a LGBT individual’s right not to be discriminated against, or an African-American or other racial minority group’s not to be stereotyped as a criminal.

There was a time when you did not need a lot of education or training, you just had to learn a job and work hard and do it well and you could prosper, own a house and a car and afford to put you kids through college.

Heck, up until the housing crash, you could do well in construction while your wife worked for a mortgage company and do quite well. But even those days are all but gone.

A lot of people people cling to the hope that those days will somehow come back. The hope that they somehow can come back.

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Franklin  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:26:47am

re: #278 Timothy Watson

Except that State Party Chairs don’t answer to the DNC or the DCCC. In Virginia, they’re appointed at the State Convention and nominally answer to the State Central Committee.

And the Congressional District Committees don’t answer to the DNC or DCCC either. In Virginia, the members of those committees are State Central Committee members who live in the congressional district and “one Democratic member of the General
Assembly and three county or city representatives”.

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Fair enough. I realized there was no true hierarchy. But with the right leadership at the top, there could be the inspiration from the disparate district and local committees to follow their lead.

I think we are all arguing the wrong points (or, at least, I am).

Do we all agree that there needs to be more Democratic office holders in every town in the country? I’m sure we can all agree on that.

Should we have a DNC that advocates for that and provides support to make that happen? Again, support can take many forms and doesn’t have to be cash.

A policy paper costs money to produce but can be used several times over in the towns/municipalities/districts that are relevant to the policy. Same with the creation of an app or database that can help with outreach and targeting.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:28:13am

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a time when you did not need a lot of education or training, you just had to learn a job and work hard and do it well and you could prosper, own a house and a car and afford to put you kids through college.

Heck, up until the housing crash, you could do well in construction while your wife worked for a mortgage company and do quite well. But even those days are all but gone.

A lot of people people cling to the hope that those days will somehow come back. The hope that they somehow can come back.

Yeah there’s a lot of mythology about the past especially by older generations. I mean I guess that’s why when they rag on my generation, it frustrates me but it doesn’t actually say “Hey fuck Boomers” because their economic experience was different than mine. The fact is times have changed and the past isn’t coming back.

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:32:54am

And on it goes.

Doctor won’t be seeing patients after calling Michelle Obama ‘monkey face’

It started on a Facebook post praising Michelle Obama for her eloquence.

JoAnn Nietto told the Denver Post one of her friends typed the original status, and then she saw a woman she didn’t know, Dr. Michelle Herren, made a couple comments on it.

“Doesn’t seem to be speaking too eloquently here, thank god we can’t hear her!” said the first comment, which included a picture of Obama, who appeared to be screaming. “Harvard??? That’s a place for ‘entitled’ folks said all the liberals!”

“Monkey face and poor ebonic English!!!” She continued in a second comment. “There! I feel better and am still not racist!!! Just calling it like it is!”

Nietto found out the woman was a pediatric anesthesiologist at Denver Health, a public hospital, and decided to report her.

sanluisobispo.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:33:49am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Yeah there’s a lot of mythology about the past especially by older generations. I mean I guess that’s why when they rag on my generation, it frustrates me but it doesn’t actually say “Hey fuck Boomers” because their economic experience was different than mine. The fact is times have changed and the past isn’t coming back.

Even back in the 70’s, if you got your girlfriend knocked up in high school, you just started working at the steel mills or in one of the trades and after a few years of seniority you would be doing do fine for yourself even without a college degree.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:36:08am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:36:49am

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And on it goes.

Doctor won’t be seeing patients after calling Michelle Obama ‘monkey face’

sanluisobispo.com

You know for all their hatred of Harvard and the Ivy League, it amuses me that they don’t realize A) a lot of their favorite conservatives went to those same schools and B) A lot of their founders did too. James Madison was a Princeton grad and Thomas Jefferson went to William and Mary.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:38:12am

Lusztig goes there…

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:38:57am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Yeah there’s a lot of mythology about the past especially by older generations. I mean I guess that’s why when they rag on my generation, it frustrates me but it doesn’t actually say “Hey fuck Boomers” because their economic experience was different than mine. The fact is times have changed and the past isn’t coming back.

I’m a boomer, and if you have a few weeks, I could go over everything older generations said about us (except it would bore us all to death).

The best revenge is to live long enough to rag on the new crops of youngsters.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:38:59am

re: #291 makeitstop

Lusztig goes there…

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Honestly, I don’t know if it was, it honestly scares me more if it wasn’t. This election really shouldn’t have been close.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:39:39am

re: #292 We’re Way Beyond Snark

I’m a boomer, and if you have a few weeks, I could go over everything older generations said about us (except it would bore us all to death).

The best revenge is to live long enough to rag on the new crops of youngsters.

Heh, it’s all cyclical. I remember someone finding something from Ancient Greece raging on that generation.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:39:58am

re: #287 Skip Intro

And on it goes.

Doctor won’t be seeing patients after calling Michelle Obama ‘monkey face’

sanluisobispo.com

These Fucktards will never learn that freedom of speech is not absolute and can come with a price. She deserves to be fired. She has no business sucking off the public teat while treating patients.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:41:43am

re: #295 Dr. Matt

These Fucktards will never learn that freedom of speech is not absolute and can come with a price. She deserves to be fired. She has no business sucking off the public teat while treating patients.

They really think free speech means they can say whatever the hell they want to with zero consequences at all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:41:59am

re: #295 Dr. Matt

These Fucktards will never learn that freedom of speech is not absolute and can come with a price. She deserves to be fired. She has no business sucking off the public teat while treating patients.

Freedom of speech means that you cannot be fined or imprisoned for anything short of sedition or inciting acts of violence. But yes, it does not free you from the consequences of what you say.

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(alpuz)  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:42:18am

Is there a “we’re fucked” font yet? ‘Cause reading through the thread, I’ve come to the conclusion it might be a good idea? No snark at all.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:42:55am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

They really think free speech means they can say whatever the hell they want to with zero consequences at all.

Yup. Absolutely. It’s only going to get worse over the next 4 years.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:43:57am

re: #299 Dr. Matt

Yup. Absolutely. It’s only going to get worse over the next 4 years.

Yeah unfortunately.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:44:24am

re: #298 (alpuz)

Is there a “we’re fucked” font yet? ‘Cause reading through the thread, I’ve come to the conclusion it might be a good idea? No snark at all.

I prefer “we’re fucked” to mean “how are we going to fix this?” What’s the color for that?

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(alpuz)  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:45:12am

re: #301 Belafon

Blue?

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:46:08am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I don’t know if it was, it honestly scares me more if it wasn’t. This election really shouldn’t have been close.

He makes some really solid points on this. Last night he was talking about the effect of the Comey letter - it really did swing the election. And this morning he takes the media to task for rewarding hacking and failing to follow up on the rogue FBI agents who kept investigating Clinton even after they were directed to stop.

His final point being that if people start talking about the sketchy circumstances of the election, it’ll decimate Trump’s claims of a mandate.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:46:21am

re: #299 Dr. Matt

Yup. Absolutely. It’s only going to get worse over the next 4 years.

That’s why they have to be called out, and when someone says “But Trump was elected” the response needs to be “The majority of the voters didn’t elect him and his election doesn’t give anyone the right to be disgraceful and disgusting.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:47:38am

re: #303 makeitstop

He makes some really solid points on this. Last night he was talking about the effect of the Comey letter - it really did swing the election. And this morning he takes the media to task for rewarding hacking and failing to follow up on the rogue FBI agents who kept investigating Clinton even after they were directed to stop.

His final point being that if people start talking about the sketchy circumstances of the election, it’ll decimate Trump’s claims of a mandate.

He does bring up some good points. It beyond infuriates me that Comey and the FBI did what they did. Plus there’s Rudy’s connections to the NY office. .

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:47:55am

re: #273 Franklin

But we aren’t talking about micromanaging here. The DNC has 50 state committees to manage. Each state committee in turn has congressional district committees, then from there the localities.

It’s probably the only part of politics that can (or should) be run like a business. HQ (the DNC) has general goals and objectives. Each regional director (state committee) parses those goals to see how their jurisdiction can meet them. It won’t be the same in NE or AZ. MA or OH. Then each franchise owner (local committees) parse the regional goals.

Support in terms of dollars, databases, outreach targeting apps, white papers flow from top to bottom.

I’ve heard a lot (which my actual ears) about “running the country like a business”. I just sit still and let the rest of the people talk. People really think it is possible.

I am reminded of so many Sci-Fi novels set in a future without government — The Corporation or Corporations are in charge. Everyone is an employee or a dependent of an employee.

“Sorry, your parent died, kid. You see, your parent never elected to invest in our Employee Legacy Annuity Benefit (ELAB). If he/she had, you could stay here in a co-operative housing unit, finish high school and go to college. We even offer internship and summer employment to students, as well as, tutoring and enrichment programs for all dependent children. With the ELAB you would get a monthly stipend and travel chits.

The student employment opportunities we do offer that you would be eligible for with your current status (as non-employee, non-dependent, non-Employee Legacy Annuity Benefit Member (SOL) would not allow you to earn enough to offset the cost to the Company to support and educate a SOL. Company Policy prohibits any minor from accumulating debt.

Unfortunately, you have no other Eligible Appropriate Adult Family Members (EAAFM). We have been unable to locate any Non-Family Eligible Appropriate Adult (NFEAA) accept you as a dependent. As it is, you have 30 days to vacate the country.

Your Parent did purchase throughout their employeement Educational Bond Shares (EBS)
Your Parent’s Eligible Estate Assets (PEEA) that can be transferred to you include the EBS and redeemed the form of Educational Vouchers (EV). EV’s, however, accepted Globally, so you may use them at any Eligible Educational Program (EEP) which offers you a offers you a place.

We wish you all the best and will pray for you.”

Sound about right? The idea of a mixed-economy just doesn’t compute in some minds.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:48:41am

re: #304 Belafon

That’s why they have to be called out, and when someone says “But Trump was elected” the response needs to be “The majority of the voters didn’t elect him and his election doesn’t give anyone the right to be disgraceful and disgusting.”

The EC really is a joke. Trump “won” the EC by 100,000 voters but it’s looking like Clinton won the popular vote by 2 and a half million. But hey those elites in California nad New York don’t matter as much as “Real America” does.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:48:42am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

He does bring up some good points. It beyond infuriates me that Comey and the FBI did what they did. Plus there’s Rudy’s connections to the NY office. .

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:49:41am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:50:02am

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I really hope he pursues this. The Russian influence in this election cannot be ignored.

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Franklin  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:50:14am

re: #306 Birth Control Works

Agreed, 100%. I only mentioned run like a business in terms of a competent DNC setting goals for the regional and local committees to get fired up about working towards.

Nothing. Else. At. All. relating to politics/governance should be run like a business.

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BeachDem  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:50:27am

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a time when you did not need a lot of education or training, you just had to learn a job and work hard and do it well and you could prosper, own a house and a car and afford to put you kids through college.

Heck, up until the housing crash, you could do well in construction while your wife worked for a mortgage company and do quite well. But even those days are all but gone.

A lot of people people cling to the hope that those days will somehow come back. The hope that they somehow can come back.

Every child had a pretty good shot
To get at least as far as their old man got
But something happened on the way to that place
They threw an American flag in our face

Allentown—1982

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:50:32am

Lunch time!

Instagram

@devourpower Mac and Cheese bites = bites of heaven #feedyoursoull

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:52:34am

re: #312 BeachDem

Every child had a pretty good shot
To get at least as far as their old man got
But something happened on the way to that place
They threw an American flag in our face

Allentown—1982

Beautiful.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:53:17am
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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:53:25am

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a time when you did not need a lot of education or training, you just had to learn a job and work hard and do it well and you could prosper, own a house and a car and afford to put you kids through college.

Heck, up until the housing crash, you could do well in construction while your wife worked for a mortgage company and do quite well. But even those days are all but gone.

A lot of people people cling to the hope that those days will somehow come back. The hope that they somehow can come back.

Certain people could get those jobs —

It really wasn’t all that rosy for EVERYONE back then.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:54:05am

re: #312 BeachDem

Every child had a pretty good shot
To get at least as far as their old man got
But something happened on the way to that place
They threw an American flag in our face

Allentown—1982

Again, some children got a pretty good shot …

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:55:42am

re: #312 BeachDem

Every child had a pretty good shot
To get at least as far as their old man got
But something happened on the way to that place
They threw an American flag in our face

Allentown—1982

I was just listening to that in the car a couple of times last night and was thinking to myself that it was still very much appropriate in the new Age of Trump.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:55:56am

re: #302 (alpuz)

Blue?

Camo or drab olive

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:56:57am

re: #317 Birth Control Works

Again, some children got a pretty good shot …

The qualifier being you could at least do as well as you dad.

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:57:28am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:58:20am

re: #316 Birth Control Works

people could get those jobs —

It really wasn’t all that rosy for EVERYONE back then.

Of course, when we long for those days, we quietly ignore all the other aspects of it: the segregated job/housing markets, segregated education on one hand, along with upper-bracket tax rates that would give the modern modern GOP the vapors, and executive salaries & bonuses that modern CEO’s would laugh at…

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:59:02am

re: #320 Belafon

The qualifier being you could at least do as well as you dad.

Not if you were a woman

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BeachDem  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:59:18am

re: #317 Birth Control Works

Again, some children got a pretty good shot …

Yep, I agree—I was just pointing out that the lament is 35 years old and they still won’t accept that those jobs aren’t coming back.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 9:59:36am

re: #323 Birth Control Works

Not if you were a woman

It’s a song lyric.

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Franklin  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:00:02am

re: #317 Birth Control Works

Again, some children got a pretty good shot …

So true.

Things were so much better in the 50’s*

* Offer not valid in all states. Based on typical results for the average family of white folk.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:01:13am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

The EC really is a joke. Trump “won” the EC by 100,000 voters but it’s looking like Clinton won the popular vote by 2 and a half million. But hey those elites in California nad New York don’t matter as much as “Real America” does.

I’m actually not opposed to the EC in principle, but in its present configuration, it’s f*cked. The EC should better reflect the population. Usually it does.

But the discrepancy between the EC and popular vote totals is beyond extreme.

I imagine as soon as a Republican candidate wins the popular vote and loses the EC there will be a torrent of initiatives by the GOP to change things, or worse, the media will collude with them to not declare the EC winner the actual winner. They will declare a new rule that whoever wins the popular vote wins the presidency because, hey, we’ve always done it that way, and why would the Dem EC winner want to be president when the GOP won the EC?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:01:57am

re: #324 BeachDem

Yep, I agree—I was just pointing out that the lament is 35 years old and they still won’t accept that those jobs aren’t coming back.

When I went to my grandparents hometown as a child for the first time about 20-25 years ago, it was on the decline. NAFTA had just passed so it really wasn’t NAFTA that had started the decline of towns like Johnstown, Pa and also Allentown but right wing policy like weakening unions and in fact encouraging companies to leave. It’s just sad. The people in these towns do have a lot of understandable resentments but these resentments are often directed at the wrong people. Hillary Clinton nor the Obama administration isn’t why these jobs went away. It was Republicans like Ronald fucking Reagan who used patriotism to get these people to vote for them.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:02:30am

re: #308 makeitstop

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Amazing that the hacking of the DNC and email releases has just been forgotten. Nothing to see here, just some random campaign noise, no biggy.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:03:24am

re: #327 Sir John Barron

I’m actually not opposed to the EC in principle, but in its present configuration, it’s f*cked. The EC should better reflect the population. Usually it does.

But the discrepancy between the EC and popular vote totals is beyond extreme.

I imagine as soon as a Republican candidate wins the popular vote and loses the EC there will be a torrent of initiatives by the GOP to change things, or worse, the media will collude with them to not declare the EC winner the actual winner. They will declare a new rule that whoever wins the popular vote wins the presidency because, hey, we’ve always done it that way, and why would the Dem EC winner want to be president when the GOP won the EC?

I really don’t like the EC personally but I can see the validity of it, honestly what bothers me is yes the disparity. Trump got the EC by 100,000 or so votes while Clinton got the popular vote by 2 and a half mill.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:03:49am
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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:05:26am

re: #324 BeachDem

Yep, I agree—I was just pointing out that the lament is 35 years old and they still won’t accept that those jobs aren’t coming back.

And the economic opportunities are fewer and fewer. The jobs we need filled by really competent people are service industry or caregiving jobs. Which don’t pay enough to support one person half-way well.

WE need fewer people.

VOLUNTARY, STATE SPONSORED BIRTH CONTROL MAKES ECONOMIC SENSE —we can plan for less competition in the not so- far- off future.

COMPREHENSIVE SCIENCE-BASED REPRODUCTIVE EDUCATION is an economic issue.

I will be screaming this for the rest of my life, I suspect.

HOW MANY people were in the workforce (or by today’s paramenters —women, and otherwise non-eligible people back then)

Medical care has gotten so much better that many people that work today, would have been unable to in the past.

We have more people and not more jobs.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:05:38am

Morning, Lizards.

I brought the cheese.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:05:46am

re: #327 Sir John Barron

I’m actually not opposed to the EC in principle, but in its present configuration, it’s f*cked. The EC should better reflect the population. Usually it does.

But the discrepancy between the EC and popular vote totals is beyond extreme.

I imagine as soon as a Republican candidate wins the popular vote and loses the EC there will be a torrent of initiatives by the GOP to change things, or worse, the media will collude with them to not declare the EC winner the actual winner. They will declare a new rule that whoever wins the popular vote wins the presidency because, hey, we’ve always done it that way, and why would the Dem EC winner want to be president when the GOP won the EC?

The electoral college, if not eliminated, should be reworked to the following: Each state shall receive electors equal to the number of senators (2) plus one elector for each 400K people, rounded up (this would give each state at least one more). Thus, each elector would come closer to representing the same number of people.

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Jayleia  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:05:48am

re: #327 Sir John Barron

I seem to remember GOoPers trying to get SOME states to allocate their electors via percentage of the popular vote…all blue states…for some reason, there wasn’t as much interest on their part for similar allocations in red states.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:06:39am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

It’s a song lyric.

and it’s inaccurate now and when it was written.

Billy Joel was talking about his neighborhood —the lyric cannot be used as a generalized, global statement. Which is what people are doing.

AND IT PISSES -ME -OFF!

:)

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Franklin  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:06:46am

re: #330 HappyWarrior

I really don’t like the EC personally but I can see the validity of it, honestly what bothers me is yes the disparity. Trump got the EC by 100,000 or so votes while Clinton got the popular vote by 2 and a half mill.

Yep. The population centers (Like California) is what gave Clinton +2.5 million more votes than Trump. But states like Wyoming gave Trump 3x the number of EV’s when compared to an EV from California.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:06:51am

re: #335 Jayleia

I seem to remember GOoPers trying to get SOME states to allocate their electors via percentage of the popular vote…all blue states…for some reason, there wasn’t as much interest on their part for similar allocations in red states.

[Media]Why won’t Democrats be bipartisan and compromise with Republicans?[/Media]

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:06:54am

re: #298 (alpuz)

Is there a “we’re fucked” font yet? ‘Cause reading through the thread, I’ve come to the conclusion it might be a good idea? No snark at all.

Given the seriousness of the font, it ought to be in an old typewriter style, like this:

And I’m not snarking either, for the record.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:08:07am

re: #331 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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Let us also not forget that Glenn Beck’s Blaze pays Tomi Lahren’s paychecks.

Are conservatives whining again?

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:08:43am

re: #339 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Given the seriousness of the font, it ought to be in an old typewriter style, like this:

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I was thinking like the font from the Munsters.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:09:10am

re: #334 Belafon

The electoral college, if not eliminated, should be reworked to the following: Each state shall receive electors equal to the number of senators (2) plus one elector for each 400K people, rounded up (this would give each state at least one more). Thus, each elector would come closer to representing the same number of people.

Actually, the value should be smaller, maybe closer to 200K.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:09:44am

re: #340 Sir John Barron

Are conservatives whining again?

OMG! do we have to listen to Glenn Beck for the next 4 years?

It’s been 8 years and I’m still tired of Sarah Palin.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:10:00am

re: #336 Birth Control Works

and it’s inaccurate now and when it was written.

Billy Joel was talking about his neighborhood —the lyric cannot be used as a generalized, global statement. Which is what people are doing.

AND IT PISSES -ME -OFF!

:)

I think you’re taking it too literally. He was talking about how people felt they didn’t get the same opportunity their fathers did and to a good degree, there’s truth to that. The men of my grandfather’s generations could make a good living without a college degree and hell in my grandfather’s case, he was a high school dropout. However, flash forward about 65 years later, I have a BA and struggle finding meaningful long term employment. There’s lots of towns like Allentown throughout this country that have been advarsely impacted by the change of the economy. The jobs aren’t coming back but we can and should make the future better for those that remain.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:10:15am

re: #337 Franklin

Yep. The population centers (Like California) is what gave Clinton +2.5 million more votes then Trump. But states like Wyoming gave Trump 3x the number of EV’s when compared to an EV from California.

PRecisely.

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Franklin  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:11:39am

Plus, if the electors are not free to vote their conscience then the electoral college should just be a points based system awarded to the winner of the state. Why have human electors if not to prevent a scenario like we are facing now?

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Jayleia  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:12:42am

re: #339 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Given the seriousness of the font, it ought to be in an old typewriter style, like this:

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Ooohhh…like what Mel Gibson used for his newsletter in Conspiracy Theory (I LOVED that movie, still do, despite Mel Gibson being…Mel Gibson)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:13:02am

Fact is it’s tough for many to accept that economies are in constant transition. Most of our ancestors probably worked in agriculture. When my third great grandmother came here from Ireland, the country and the world around her was predominately farms. But by the time she died in 1908, we had cars, skyscrapers, and airplanes. Men and women who had never seen so much as a three story building in their hometowns migrated or immigrated to cities with massive structures. Men and women who worked on farms in their early years began to work in mills, mines, etc.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:13:08am

re: #340 Sir John Barron

Are conservatives whining again?

I thought I heard what sounded like a WAAAAAMBULANCE a few hours ago…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:14:18am

re: #349 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I thought I heard what sounded like a WAAAAAMBULANCE a few hours ago…

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Another conservative whiner in action.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:14:39am

Even though this guy apparently doesn’t exist outside of Twitter, he’s quickly becoming my dude.

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Interesting Times  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:15:25am
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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:15:44am

re: #327 Sir John Barron

I’m actually not opposed to the EC in principle, but in its present configuration, it’s f*cked. The EC should better reflect the population. Usually it does.

But the discrepancy between the EC and popular vote totals is beyond extreme.

I imagine as soon as a Republican candidate wins the popular vote and loses the EC there will be a torrent of initiatives by the GOP to change things, or worse, the media will collude with them to not declare the EC winner the actual winner. They will declare a new rule that whoever wins the popular vote wins the presidency because, hey, we’ve always done it that way, and why would the Dem EC winner want to be president when the GOP won the EC?

There are a handful of times where the EC was completely out of tune with the popular vote return. The 2016 election was the most egregious recent example and is close to the percentage popular vote margin seen in 1876.

In 1876, Hayes won the election (by a margin of one electoral vote), but he lost the popular vote by more than 250,000 ballots to Tilden (out of 8,322,857 cast). That gives Tilden 51.5% versus 48.4%. There, the EC was far closer than 2016.

In 1888, Harrison received 233 electoral votes to Grover Cleveland’s 168, winning the presidency. But Harrison lost the popular vote by more than 90,000 votes. Looking closer at 1888, 10,978,380 votes were cast, and Cleveland had 5,534,488, which gave him roughly 50.4% of the vote to 49.6%. That is similar to the outcome in the EC in 2016, but the popular vote was far greater in favor of Clinton than Cleveland.

But there’s other instances where the EC or popular vote were out of sync. In 1824, John Quincy Adams was elected president despite not winning either the popular vote or the electoral vote. Jackson won because the decision was thrown to the House.

The EC is a flawed instrument of determining election outcomes at the national level, but unless it’s eliminated, this is the system we’ve got to base national election strategy on.

No matter how you look at it, Trump does not have a mandate to act, but he’s going to act as though he does, regardless of what the facts are. And with the GOP controlling Congress, this is a recipe for disaster. All because the distribution of where Clintons votes were (or weren’t). But for a 100,000 or so spread out among 3 key states (out of a 2.5 million margin and growing), we’d be talking a Clinton transition and not a Trump trash train.

Also interesting to note that the national polling data seems to have gotten the overall popular vote margin right - but the state polls were off (and even those seem to be in the MOE).

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:16:03am

re: #350 HappyWarrior

Another conservative whiner in action.

She’s not the brightest bulb in the holiday lights display.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:16:53am

Petraeus would need to inform his probation officer to join Trump’s cabinet but hey crooked Hillary y’all.

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BeachDem  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:18:34am

re: #335 Jayleia

I seem to remember GOoPers trying to get SOME states to allocate their electors via percentage of the popular vote…all blue states…for some reason, there wasn’t as much interest on their part for similar allocations in red states.

Even worse, some wanted to allocate by districts in states that had been so gerrymandered that even though Dems won more votes, Repubs had more seats.

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:18:57am

re: #334 Belafon

The current EC is based essentially on Congress - 538 - first to 270 wins. One could argue the fix needs to be made in the House - where districts should be uniform nationally, on the same grounds of roughly 400k per district, and that those districts should be drawn by a nonpartisan group to get gerrymandering out of the equation.

Not going to happen, but it’d be a whole lot better than the current setup.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:20:23am

The facility where I currently work employs a very large number of immigrants (H1B but also many naturalized citizens who originally came on H1B), it would seem there are fewer Americans who have these advanced IT and engineering skills.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:25:27am

re: #354 lawhawk

There are a handful of times where the EC was completely out of tune with the popular vote return. The 2016 election was the most egregious recent example and is close to the percentage popular vote margin seen in 1876.

In 1876, Hayes won the election (by a margin of one electoral vote), but he lost the popular vote by more than 250,000 ballots to Tilden (out of 8,322,857 cast). That gives Tilden 51.5% versus 48.4%. There, the EC was far closer than 2016.

In 1888, Harrison received 233 electoral votes to Grover Cleveland’s 168, winning the presidency. But Harrison lost the popular vote by more than 90,000 votes. Looking closer at 1888, 10,978,380 votes were cast, and Cleveland had 5,534,488, which gave him roughly 50.4% of the vote to 49.6%. That is similar to the outcome in the EC in 2016, but the popular vote was far greater in favor of Clinton than Cleveland.

But there’s other instances where the EC or popular vote were out of sync. In 1824, John Quincy Adams was elected president despite not winning either the popular vote or the electoral vote. Jackson won because the decision was thrown to the House.

The EC is a flawed instrument of determining election outcomes at the national level, but unless it’s eliminated, this is the system we’ve got to base national election strategy on.

No matter how you look at it, Trump does not have a mandate to act, but he’s going to act as though he does, regardless of what the facts are. And with the GOP controlling Congress, this is a recipe for disaster. All because the distribution of where Clintons votes were (or weren’t). But for a 100,000 or so spread out among 3 key states (out of a 2.5 million margin and growing), we’d be talking a Clinton transition and not a Trump trash train.

Also interesting to note that the national polling data seems to have gotten the overall popular vote margin right - but the state polls were off (and even those seem to be in the MOE).

Point of clarification, Adams won in 1824 and Jackson held that it was a corrupt bargain made by Henry Clay that swung Congress to Adams’ favor since Clay was made SoS by Adams.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:29:20am

bbl

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:29:57am

Hackers posing as air traffic controllers tricking pilots above Melbourne

7 News understands 15 incoming flights at Melbourne Tullamarine and Avalon airports have been targeted by someone pretending to be an air traffic controller.

The Australian Federal Police have issued a warning about unauthorised radio transmissions and have launched an investigation into the incidents.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:30:24am

I didn’t see it yet but apparently Trevor Noah brought up a good point when Lehren tried pulling the “members of all races died fighting for the country” card, he pointed out that a lot of those races were treated terribly when they got back home. Indeed, many African-American soldiers were lynched upon returning home from WWI and WWII, it was the latter that inspired Harry Truman to desegregate the military, Truman pretty much said even though his forefathers were CSA the idea of black Americans who had fought for their country being lynched disturbed him that much. And indeed many of the African-Ameriacns who have been harassed and even killed by the cops have been veterans too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:30:42am

re: #362 Dr. Matt

Hackers posing as air traffic controllers tricking pilots above Melbourne

That’s not good.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:31:51am

re: #346 Franklin

Plus, if the electors are not free to vote their conscience then the electoral college should just be a points based system awarded to the winner of the state. Why have human electors if not to prevent a scenario like we are facing now?

The idea is that they are, like convention delegates, pledged to vote a certain way the first round, but are free to vote any way they want in subsequent rounds.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:32:13am

wait,

this is interesting:

CREDO Confirms It’s at Center of Long-Running Legal Fight Over NSLs

Mobile Provider Battled Gag Order That Forced It to Keep Customers in the Dark
San Francisco - CREDO Mobile representatives confirmed today that their company was at the center of the long-running legal battle over the constitutionality of national security letters (NSLs), and published the letters the government sent three years ago.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:32:14am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

That’s not good.

Not at all. F’ing dangerous.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:33:13am

re: #348 HappyWarrior

Fact is it’s tough for many to accept that economies are in constant transition. Most of our ancestors probably worked in agriculture. When my third great grandmother came here from Ireland, the country and the world around her was predominately farms. But by the time she died in 1908, we had cars, skyscrapers, and airplanes. Men and women who had never seen so much as a three story building in their hometowns migrated or immigrated to cities with massive structures. Men and women who worked on farms in their early years began to work in mills, mines, etc.

And it was accepted that a son followed his father’s footsteps. And one of the most “revolutionary” things about Napoleon was that he rose to a higher social stature than his older brother. Up until then, such a thing was simply unheard of.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:33:24am

re: #362 Dr. Matt

Hackers posing as air traffic controllers tricking pilots above Melbourne

Well, this is worse than a laser pointer.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:33:37am

re: #367 Dr. Matt

Not at all. F’ing dangerous.

Yeah I was an intern in the Dulles Tower one summer when I was in high school. The ATCs really are some of the most unsung people out tehre. And they requrie a lot of training which thinking about is why Reagan’s firing of them for striking was such a feckless move.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:34:34am

re: #368 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And it was accepted that a son followed his father’s footsteps. And one of the most “revolutionary” things about Napoleon was that he rose to a higher social stature than his older brother. Up until then, such a thing was simply unheard of.

You’re right. In those days, the oldest brother had the luck of the draw so to speak. Younger sons were expected to go into the military or priesthood.

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BeachDem  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:35:12am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

I didn’t see it yet but apparently Trevor Noah brought up a good point when Lehren tried pulling the “members of all races died fighting for the country” card, he pointed out that a lot of those races were treated terribly when they got back home. Indeed, many African-American soldiers were lynched upon returning home from WWI and WWII, it was the latter that inspired Harry Truman to desegregate the military, Truman pretty much said even though his forefathers were CSA the idea of black Americans who had fought for their country being lynched disturbed him that much. And indeed many of the African-Ameriacns who have been harassed and even killed by the cops have been veterans too.

Tomi (who I think is even dumber than Kayleigh McInidiot, which I didn’t think was possible) said that Black Lives Matter folks were “rioting and looting” so it was unfair to compare them to the KKK because what did the KKK ever do.

I know we need to hear some of the opposing viewpoints in order to refute them, but I think there should be some sort of cutoff point so we don’t need to hear the magpie noise of people like Tomi.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:35:34am
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BeachDem  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:36:27am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Yeah I was an intern in the Dulles Tower one summer when I was in high school. The ATCs really are some of the most unsung people out tehre. And they requrie a lot of training which thinking about is why Reagan’s firing of them for striking was such a feckless move.

Trump wants to privatize them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:37:54am

re: #372 BeachDem

Tomi (who I think is even dumber than Kayleigh McInidiot, which I didn’t think was possible) said that Black Lives Matter folks were “rioting and looting” so it was unfair to compare them to the KKK because what did the KKK ever do.

I know we need to hear some of the opposing viewpoints in order to refute them, but I think there should be some sort of cutoff point so we don’t need to hear the magpie noise of people like Tomi.

Yeah if she really thinks that, she is dumber than Kayleigh. I guess she never heard about the KKK actually murdering people but hey they never “rioted and looted.” Goddamn, this shit is frustrating.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:38:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:38:12am

ummmm

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:38:32am

re: #374 BeachDem

Trump wants to privatize them.

Yeah I heard about that after the election. That’s not good. It just isn’t.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:39:08am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

Yeah if she really thinks that, she is dumber than Kayleigh. I guess she never heard about the KKK actually murdering people but hey they never “rioted and looted.” Goddamn, this shit is frustrating.

YEAH, sounds a lot like a leader I remember saying that homosexuality didn’t exist in his country and certain events in history didn’t happen… .

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:39:36am

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummmm

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Believe I saw yesterday that Reince said that the Trump administration’s official policy will be that Climate Change is a myth. Ivanka, maybe you should have realized that you had a better chance of getting your issues heard by keeping your Daddy away from the WH.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:39:58am

re: #371 HappyWarrior

You’re right. In those days, the oldest brother had the luck of the draw so to speak. Younger sons were expected to go into the military or priesthood.

Until the 70’s, British law was that the eldest son had sole and exclusive right of inheritance.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:40:02am

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummmm

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a/k/a/ Princess Platform Shoes

It just get’s weirder and weirder.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:40:32am

re: #374 BeachDem

Trump wants to privatize them.

Amazing. Don’t Rethuglicans fly in airplanes?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:40:37am

re: #379 Birth Control Works

YEAH, sounds a lot like a leader I remember saying that homosexuality didn’t exist in his country and certain events in history didn’t happen… .

Honestly, it’s even worse than that since many historians rightfully consider the KKK our first domestic terrorist organization. For her to negative compare BLM to the KKK is really really ignorant. Don’t get me wrong. Ahmadinjad was ignorant too but this is really bad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:40:39am

re: #380 HappyWarrior

Believe I saw yesterday that Reince said that the Trump administration’s official policy will be that Climate Change is a myth. Ivanka, maybe you should have realized that you had a better chance of getting your issues heard by keeping your Daddy away from the WH.

It’s not the climate change thing that is making me blink…

It’s that Ivanka thinks she gets to be FLOTUS (or something similar).

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:41:25am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s not the climate change thing that is making me blink…

It’s that Ivanka thinks she gets to be FLOTUS (or something similar).

First Princess

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Jayleia  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:41:48am

re: #382 Birth Control Works

If Alice came back up from that rabbit hole and took a look around she’d say “Fck it, I’m going back to Wonderland…at least shit makes sense there”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:41:52am

re: #381 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Until the 70’s, British law was that the eldest son had sole and exclusive right of inheritance.

Wow, I didn’t know it was that recent. That does get me thinking though about our ancestors who have their origins in Britain especially. I wonder how many of them were younger sons who weren’t part of their father’s inheritance and decided to take their chances in the New World because of that.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:42:06am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s not the climate change thing that is making me blink…

It’s that Ivanka thinks she gets to be FLOTUS (or something similar).

I mean Melania isn’t really a Trump. She can’t participate in Court - except if Donald needs a hood ornament.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:42:29am

re: #388 Jayleia

If Alice came back up from that rabbit hole and took a look around she’d say “Fck it, I’m going back to Wonderland…at least shit makes sense there”

She had the best drugs!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:42:39am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s not the climate change thing that is making me blink…

It’s that Ivanka thinks she gets to be FLOTUS (or something similar).

That too. She is her father’s true love though.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:42:47am

re: #389 HappyWarrior

Wow, I didn’t know it was that recent. That does get me thinking though about our ancestors who have their origins in Britain especially. I wonder how many of them were younger sons who weren’t part of their father’s inheritance and decided to take their chances in the New World because of that.

yup

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:43:11am

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:45:08am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s not the climate change thing that is making me blink…

It’s that Ivanka thinks she gets to be FLOTUS (or something similar).

It has happened before, when a wife was not in evidence. And it looks like Melania will remain in Trump Tower purdah in NY.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:45:11am

re: #393 Birth Control Works

yup

Hard for me to trace that honestly since all my Irish ancestors emigrated long before there were detail records kept. My mom’s two grandfathers though were the youngest song and oldest though but the Austria-Hungarian empire especially for ethnic minorities such as themselves was a totally different place than the UK.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:45:15am

re: #386 Birth Control Works

First Princess

Crown Princess

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:45:16am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

Honestly, it’s even worse than that since many historians rightfully consider the KKK our first domestic terrorist organization. For her to negative compare BLM to the KKK is really really ignorant. Don’t get me wrong. Ahmadinjad was ignorant too but this is really bad.

I don’t know —I think saying the Holocaust didn’t happen is similar to saying the KKK didn’t kill people.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:45:57am

re: #395 We’re Way Beyond Snark

It has happened before, when a wife was not in evidence. And it looks like Melania will remain in Trump Tower purdah in NY.

Or in Buchanan’s case, his niece. There have also been sisters that have acted as First Lady too. I believe that was the case in PResident Arthur.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:46:02am

re: #389 HappyWarrior

Wow, I didn’t know it was that recent. That does get me thinking though about our ancestors who have their origins in Britain especially. I wonder how many of them were younger sons who weren’t part of their father’s inheritance and decided to take their chances in the New World because of that.

Many.

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:46:20am

re: #397 Timothy Watson

Crown Princess

Princess Regent

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:46:22am

re: #389 HappyWarrior

Wow, I didn’t know it was that recent. That does get me thinking though about our ancestors who have their origins in Britain especially. I wonder how many of them were younger sons who weren’t part of their father’s inheritance and decided to take their chances in the New World because of that.

The notion behind it was to keep estates intact and not being splintered up by generations of (male) heirs. But when my ex was born (1969) she did not have any right of inheritance over her younger brother.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:46:49am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

That too. She is her father’s true love though.

She’ll be the one staying in the White House.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:46:59am

re: #398 Birth Control Works

I don’t know —I think saying the Holocaust didn’t happen is similar to saying the KKK didn’t kill people.

That is but you brought up his denial of their being gay people in his country not the Holocaust denial. It all stinks and that she can be said to be sounding like Ahmadinjad is never a complimetnary thing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:47:29am

re: #400 We’re Way Beyond Snark

Many.

It doesn’t surprise me at all.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:48:58am

re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The notion behind it was to keep estates intact and not being splintered up by generations of (male) heirs. But when my ex was born (1969) she did not have any right of inheritance over her younger brother.

It’s crazy to think about how many things that we take for granted like inheritance or spousal rape being treated as well rape are relatively new things. One of the most important things I feel I learned as a history major is how the past is not too distant.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:49:17am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

It doesn’t surprise me at all.

Especially evident around the Revolution and in places like Virginia.

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Arkansawyer  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:49:58am

re: #398 Birth Control Works

I don’t know —I think saying the Holocaust didn’t happen is similar to saying the KKK didn’t kill people.

Hell, it wasn’t even necessary to have the KKK involved. Just look at what happened in Tulsa in 1921 or Elaine, Arkansas in 1919. All it took were whispers of black people “getting out of line” for shit to hit the fan.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:50:08am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s not the climate change thing that is making me blink…

It’s that Ivanka thinks she gets to be FLOTUS (or something similar).

That family has treated Melania as a second class family member from day one.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:50:24am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:52:49am

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummmm

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:55:58am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

Yeah if she really thinks that, she is dumber than Kayleigh. I guess she never heard about the KKK actually murdering people but hey they never “rioted and looted.” Goddamn, this shit is frustrating.

I think she is using a random cutoff date for KKK atrocities, like “KKK hasn’t really done any bad since since 1986”

Kind of like Ann Coulter claiming that the nazis didn’t mass murder anyone since at least 1975.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:57:15am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s that Ivanka thinks she gets to be FLOTUS (or something similar).

The “First lady-like…” blew klaxons in my head. 2020 will be the coronation of Queen Ivanka, first of her name.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:58:10am

re: #412 The Vicious Babushka

I think she is using a random cutoff date for KKK atrocities, like “KKK hasn’t really done any bad since since 1986”

Kind of like Ann Coulter claiming that the nazis didn’t mass murder anyone since at least 1975.

Probably

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 10:58:15am

re: #408 Arkansawyer

Hell, it wasn’t even necessary to have the KKK involved. Just look at what happened in Tulsa in 1921 or Elaine, Arkansas in 1919. All it took were whispers of black people “getting out of line” for shit to hit the fan.

Where I live, Caroline County, Virginia, an African-American vagrant killed two white women in the late 1950s. The judge ordered the sheriff to move the now defendant from the county’s jail to the state prison because of fears that he would be lynched.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:00:12am

re: #416 Timothy Watson

Where I live, Caroline County, Virginia, an African-American vagrant killed two white women in the late 1950s. The judge ordered the sheriff to move the now defendant from the county’s jail to the state prison because of fears that he would be lynched.

The Lovings County too right?

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:01:22am

re: #417 HappyWarrior

The Lovings County too right?

Yep, sheriff was the same one who arrested them. Same judge as well I believe.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:01:31am
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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:02:48am

re: #419 The Vicious Babushka

And the less than 1000 jobs saved will slowly migrate to Mexico anyway.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:04:03am

Guess someone apparently doesn’t like the terms of MLB’s new collective bargaining agreement…

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Arkansawyer  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:04:05am

re: #416 Timothy Watson

In Elaine it was a sharcoppers union meeting that started everything. It’s rarely talked about in history classes. I don’t think I heard it discussed until I was in an African American history class in college. It’s often called a “race riot”, but that’s bullshit. It was a massacre.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:04:16am

re: #419 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:04:30am

re: #418 Timothy Watson

Yep, sheriff was the same one who arrested them. Same judge as well I believe.

It’s just crazy to think all that wasn’t so long ago. It’s easy for whites who weren’t negatively impacted by things like that to tell black people to get over it but when you can remember lynchings, it’s not so easy to forget.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:05:08am

Our institution just dropped the bad news on our staff regarding the Texas judge blocking the DOL’s federal overtime rule. This impacts a lot of people, including most of my staff, which have been enjoying shortened work weeks since we only approve overtime on a per case basis. And you can sure as hell bet Drump isn’t going to challenge the ruling. Good too see republicans fucking over the working class. I really hope this fucks over Drump voters. They deserve it. Elections have consequence. Rot, you fuckers.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:06:52am

re: #425 Dr. Matt

Our institution just dropped the bad news on our staff regarding the Texas judge blocking the DOL’s federal overtime rule. This impacts a lot of people, including most of my staff, which have been enjoying shortened work weeks since we only approve overtime on a per case basis. And you can sure as hell bet Drump isn’t going to challenge the ruling. Good too see republicans fucking over the working class. I really hope this fucks over Drump voters. They deserve it. Elections have consequence. Rot, you fuckers.

Judge Mazzant did the ruling right before Black Friday too.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:10:18am

re: #425 Dr. Matt

Our institution just dropped the bad news on our staff regarding the Texas judge blocking the DOL’s federal overtime rule. This impacts a lot of people, including most of my staff, which have been enjoying shortened work weeks since we only approve overtime on a per case basis. And you can sure as hell bet Drump isn’t going to challenge the ruling. Good too see republicans fucking over the working class. I really hope this fucks over Drump voters. They deserve it. Elections have consequence. Rot, you fuckers.

It won’t take that long for the rot to set in. But many of them will still blame President Obama regardless.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:11:44am

I actually had to write a brief summary of the injunction made since part of my job entails a monthly newsletter to local Small Businesses on rulings, legislation, and that sort of thing. Found the story about the injunction on the House Small Business Committee’s website. Steve Chabot, the chairman of that committee was gleeful about and I saw John McCain was too. But hey Democrats don’t care about the working class like Republicans do because they’re not making empty promises on trade. //

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:13:18am

re: #421 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Yet he wants one of the Ricketts (Cubs/National League) as Commerce secretary…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:13:34am

re: #430 gocart mozart

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:13:58am

re: #431 GlutenFreeJesus

Yet he wants one of the Ricketts (Cubs/National League) as Commerce secretary…

I heard he wanted Ross, the guy who owned the Sago mien for Commerce.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:14:51am

What did they change the rule to anyhow? I think the team with the best record should get homefield advantage in the World Series though I understand why they had the rule about the league too since it added some intrigue to the All Star Game when its popularity was waning.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:15:56am

re: #433 HappyWarrior

I heard he wanted Ross, the guy who owned the Sago mien for Commerce.

Remember he is just setting up a bunch of reality show contestants.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:16:52am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

Remember he is just setting up a bunch of reality show contestants.

That’s how it feels. I don’t want to see Mitt or Rudy in bikinis though.

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BeachDem  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:16:58am

re: #431 GlutenFreeJesus

Yet he wants one of the Ricketts (Cubs/National League) as Commerce secretary…

Which makes this tweet even more bizarre.

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:17:53am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

What did they change the rule to anyhow? I think the team with the best record should get homefield advantage in the World Series though I understand why they had the rule about the league too since it added some intrigue to the All Star Game when its popularity was waning.

The ASG rule was imposed after a tie game and was intended to make the game mean something (players were skipping, managers were trying to get all the players into the game, rather than trying to win), even though the game is an Exhibition.

IMO, it’s not my money and the league can do what it wants with a game that historically had no meaning except to honor players who have done great things through the 1st half of a season.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:18:25am

re: #437 BeachDem

Which makes this tweet even more bizarre.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:18:28am

re: #437 BeachDem

Which makes this tweet even more bizarre.

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Well look at what he said about Romney and also what he said about Wall Street and Goldman Sachs. The guy is completely full of shit. How anyone thinks he tells it as is deluding themselves. Trump is an opportunist.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:21:40am

re: #438 lawhawk

The ASG rule was imposed after a tie game and was intended to make the game mean something (players were skipping, managers were trying to get all the players into the game, rather than trying to win), even though the game is an Exhibition.

IMO, it’s not my money and the league can do what it wants with a game that historically had no meaning except to honor players who have done great things through the 1st half of a season.

Right, I thought there was an implication they made a rule change though since Trump was whining about something. I did see a headline that a new CBA was reached. But yeah they changed the rule to give the game meaning. As I said, I get why they did it but I really think WS homefield should be decided by the team with the superior record. That is to say I don’t think Buster Posey or Mike Trout’s accomplishments in the ASG should impact who gets homefield advantage. If the two teams have the same record, have some tiebreakers in place like best divisional record and so on. I really don’t care though. I’m not a purist. I love the game because you can’t run out the clock and this year’s WS was magical to watch and really cool for me since now Lester, Chapman, and me have something in common. We all allowed hits to Brandon Guyer. Granted I was 12 :).

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BeachDem  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:21:45am

re: #439 Timothy Watson

He trashed Nikki Haley on Twitter too.

re: #440 HappyWarrior

Well look at what he said about Romney and also what he said about Wall Street and Goldman Sachs. The guy is completely full of shit. How anyone thinks he tells it as is deluding themselves. Trump is an opportunist.

I don’t think there’s anybody he HASN’T trashed on twitter at some point, but the tweet about the Ricketts family was kind of a direct threat.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:22:12am

re: #442 BeachDem

I don’t think there’s anybody he HASN’T trashed on twitter at some point, but the tweet about the Ricketts family was kind of a direct threat.

That is true as well.

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electrotek  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:22:25am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:24:25am

re: #444 electrotek

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:25:00am

South Florida family’s missing dog found three years later — in New Jersey

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electrotek  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:25:36am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Hope the Muslims who voted for Trump or 3rd party or didn’t bother voting are clearly happy with the results.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:26:21am

re: #444 electrotek

The ACLU and other groups are going to be very busy.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:26:26am

re: #437 BeachDem

Which makes this tweet even more bizarre.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:26:43am

re: #447 electrotek

Hope the Muslims who voted for Trump or 3rd party or didn’t bother voting are clearly happy with the results.

I feel that way about anyone who voted for Trump or 3rd party and is now worried about him actually doing they were warned about him doing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:27:47am

re: #431 GlutenFreeJesus

Yet he wants one of the Ricketts (Cubs/National League) as Commerce secretary…

He wants Ross for Secretary, Ricketts for deputy secretary.

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gocart mozart  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:28:06am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:28:39am

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:28:45am

re: #438 lawhawk

The ASG rule was imposed after a tie game and was intended to make the game mean something (players were skipping, managers were trying to get all the players into the game, rather than trying to win), even though the game is an Exhibition.

IMO, it’s not my money and the league can do what it wants with a game that historically had no meaning except to honor players who have done great things through the 1st half of a season.

It was a face-saving move by then-commissioner Bud Selig, especially since the ASG tie happened in his hometown of Milwaukee (where the Brewers were placed into a family trust years after he was appointed as commissioner).

With him finally out of the way, MLB finally did the right thing.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:29:15am

re: #421 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Guess someone apparently doesn’t like the terms of MLB’s new collective bargaining agreement…

I can’t see the picture, but Trump’s probably pissed there’s still a player’s union and minority players.

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electrotek  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:29:37am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

Seriously.

Not sure who I should express more scorn towards: Muslims who voted for that Islamophobic sexist asshole or the Muslims who fell for the stupid false equivalence and worried more about which one was more pro-Palestine and didn’t bother voting.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:29:42am

re: #433 HappyWarrior

I heard he wanted Ross, the guy who owned the Sago mien for Commerce.

Looks like every family has “one of those”.

google.com

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:31:32am

re: #457 GlutenFreeJesus

Looks like every family has “one of those”.

google.com

Ah Deputy Secretary. Don’t know much about Rickens.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:31:58am

Instagram

Obviously an owl.
Follow @9gag @9gagmobile #9gag #instacats #petofinstagram #instadogs #lorax #fluffy #cute (credit: @atchoumfan)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:32:25am

Ross is Trump’s firing the air traffic controllers to the miners. Hope they’re happy that Trump’s putting a guy in charge of commerce that showed such a cavalier attitude towards miner safety.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:32:27am

re: #453 HappyWarrior

Melania wanted to speak out against bullying on the internet too.

She should know all about bullies. She is married one.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate has unanimously approved legislation to renew a decades-old law allowing the U.S. to impose sanctions on companies for doing business with Iran.

Senators have voted 99-0 to extend the Iran Sanctions Act for 10 more years. The House already has passed the legislation.

The bill now goes to President Barack Obama. He’s expected to sign it.

Lawmakers say the law allows the U.S. to punish Iran should Iran fail to live up to the terms of the landmark nuclear deal.

The White House is still reviewing the bill, but officials say they’ve determined the measure doesn’t breach the nuclear agreement. That satisfies a key condition Obama had established for his approval.

The officials weren’t authorized to comment publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:33:00am

re: #461 Birth Control Works

She should know all about bullies. She is married one.

That was the unwritten joke there.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:33:58am

re: #463 HappyWarrior

That was the unwritten joke there.

Yeah, I just had to spell it out …

I’m getting tired and need a nap.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:34:28am

re: #453 HappyWarrior

Melania wanted to speak out against bullying on the internet too.

How to deal with “Internet bullies”: have your crack team of lawyers threaten to sue people who post things you don’t like (such as, the autistic teen who uploaded a video asking if Barron Trump is on the spectrum)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:34:36am

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:34:54am

re: #464 Charles Johnson

…it’s too early in the day for a drink.

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Birth Control Works  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:35:00am

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It’s December in Chicago. I was downtown last night and could walk around just fine without gloves or long underwear.

But, there is no climate change …

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:35:44am

re: #466 The Vicious Babushka

How to deal with “Internet bullies”: have your crack team of lawyers threaten to sue people who post things you don’t like (such as, the autistic teen who uploaded a video asking if Barron Trump is on the spectrum)

They did that? You know since I’m on the Spectrum myself, my mom brought up in regards to Barron. I have no idea if he is or not. It’s hard for me to see it in other people. My mom thinks it’s part of why Trump does his crazy talk about vaccines.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:35:45am

re: #451 Backwoods_Sleuth

He wants Ross for Secretary, Ricketts for deputy secretary.

Honestly, do we actually know who he wants for anything?

Trump may wind up being the best dem president ever (obvious //) but until which time that he actually officially does anything (which will be 1/20 or thereafter), I take every single thing he says as more bullshit.

Because Trump is all bullshit and his whims are minute-by-minute based on the last person he spoke with.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:36:51am

It’s been a pretty warm fall honestly. Some days colder than others. What they don’t understand is climate change is about the whole world. So yeah pardon us if we’re not convinced that it being cold one place where it usually is somehow proof that climate change is a lie.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:37:35am

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:37:46am

re: #464 Charles Johnson

And global temps are more than just land temperatures. It’s global temps. Which continue to set record highs.

It’s like picking out a random spot and saying that this spot has been warmer or colder and therefore disproves the temp trend of the entire planet. That’s not how any of this works.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:38:05am

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Franklin  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:38:07am

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Holy scrotum chin.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:38:22am

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Someone needs to make his chin inflate/deflate like that of a frog’s. :))))

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:39:07am

re: #469 Birth Control Works

It’s December in Chicago. I was downtown last night and could walk around just fine without gloves or long underwear.

But, there is no climate change …

It’s December in NYC, and we could walk around in shorts this week without any concerns.

November was above normal (again). Rainfall was below normal (again). This is a broken record.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:39:42am

The extreme changes in local and global variance are the issue. The major weather pushers are getting shoved out of what we need to be normal. The human race cannot survive an extinction event.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:39:48am

re: #476 lawhawk

And global temps are more than just land temperatures. It’s global temps. Which continue to set record highs.

It’s like picking out a random spot and saying that this spot has been warmer or colder and therefore disproves the temp trend of the entire planet. That’s not how any of this works.

I still remember now Speaker Ryan saying he was skeptical of climate change because his constituents were getting snow in February. Snow in February? In Wisconsin NEVER! It’s like they think in order for climate change to be real, it needs to be 100 degrees on the first day of winter. Of course, I think many of them actually do accept climate change but they know there’s more profits to be had if it’s not real and the climate change is a hoax industry is a lucrative one in its own right.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:40:07am

re: #478 Franklin

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Oh man hahahahha!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:40:20am

re: #477 HappyWarrior

Why the hell did we elect him sigh.

What do you mean “we”, Kemo Sabe?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:40:58am

re: #481 The Vicious Babushka

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Touching people? Ah like lying to them and giving in to their fears. Yeah he’s so touching and inspirational but Obama just promised people free stuff. // She’s a dunce.

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Jayleia  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:41:35am

re: #474 makeitstop

At this rate, he’s going to make GDubz approval ratings look like FDR’s…before he even takes office.

Oh, and I’ve taken to mocking Trump supporters that are suddenly feeling buyer’s remorse by turning Trump’s story about the snake back on them:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:41:44am

re: #473 Dr. Matt

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The front part needs to flip back to show off his baldness.

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:41:52am

re: #483 HappyWarrior

But first, the GOP will slash funding for climate research that would prove/disprove anything the GOP said, so instead they’ll leave everyone wondering and have Trump say it doesn’t happen and people will believe it even as the coast is toast from rising sea levels, droughts persist throughout significant parts of the country, and temperatures reach new record highs globally (and locally in many places).

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:42:37am

re: #482 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The extreme changes in local and global variance are the issue. The major weather pushers are getting shoved out of what we need to be normal. The human race cannot survive an extinction event.

The Human race can survive a few degree rise in temperatures. 7+ Billion people won’t all be able to survive it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:42:43am

re: #486 HappyWarrior

Touching people? Ah like lying to them and giving in to their fears. Yeah he’s so touching and inspirational but Obama just promised people free stuff. // She’s a dunce.

“Touching people” as in: grabbing them by the pussy

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Franklin  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:42:50am

My new Xmas card, I hope my relatives enjoy it :)

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William Lewis  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:43:04am

re: #485 Decatur Deb

Heh.

Good to see a post from you. Wasn’t sure where in Alabama that last set of tornados was.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:43:07am

re: #489 lawhawk

But first, the GOP will slash funding for climate research that would prove/disprove anything the GOP said, so instead they’ll leave everyone wondering and have Trump say it doesn’t happen and people will believe it even as the coast is toast from rising sea levels, droughts persist throughout significant parts of the country, and temperatures reach new record highs globally (and locally in many places).

The thing is a lot of the parts of the country that will be negatively impacted the most are parts that gave him their support. We’ll vote to help these people as we always do and should but I’ve had it up to here with their ignorance and them repeatedly falling for the same Republican and right wing bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:43:19am

re: #491 The Vicious Babushka

“Touching people” as in: grabbing them by the pussy

Snap.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:43:46am

re: #483 HappyWarrior

I still remember now Speaker Ryan saying he was skeptical of climate change because his constituents were getting snow in February. Snow in February? In Wisconsin NEVER! It’s like they think in order for climate change to be real, it needs to be 100 degrees on the first day of winter. Of course, I think many of them actually do accept climate change but they know there’s more profits to be had if it’s not real and the climate change is a hoax industry is a lucrative one in its own right.

Back when King of the Hill was a parody and not a violation of Poe’s Law (unfortunately, not a single a clip with the entire dialogue and the first is just the audio with a still picture):

Global Warming explained by Dale

King of the Hill-If It Gets One Degree Hotter I’m Gonna Kick Your Ass!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:43:57am

re: #492 Franklin
re: #492 Franklin

My new Xmas card, I hope my relatives enjoy it :)

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Look out Santa, that elf’s going to steal Christmas for himself!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:45:58am

re: #496 Timothy Watson

Back when King of the Hill was a parody and not a violation of Poe’s Law (unfortunately, not a single a clip with the entire dialogue and the first is just the audio with a still picture):

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Video

I need to rewatch King of the Hill. It got a little dry for me at one point but I’m much more sophisticated now than I was then.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2016 • 11:46:56am

re: #491 The Vicious Babushka

“Touching people” as in: grabbing them by the pussy

The first thing that came to my mind, too.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 1, 2016 • 12:05:52pm

re: #487 Jayleia

Yeah, I have been using the snake story against them myself.

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2016 • 12:23:26pm

re: #375 HappyWarrior

Yeah if she really thinks that, she is dumber than Kayleigh. I guess she never heard about the KKK actually murdering people but hey they never “rioted and looted.” Goddamn, this shit is frustrating.

Um.

tulsahistory.org

Funny how it’s called “a race riot” when all the rioters (and bombers!! FFS, 1921, they used crop dusters to drop BOMBS) were white, and all the dead were black. The ones who didn’t die, lost their homes and businesses. The entire black end of town was reduced to ashes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2016 • 12:32:55pm

re: #419 The Vicious Babushka

obama gave gm a loan. we got paid back, with interest. for 1.5 million jobs.
trump gave carrier millions. no payback. for a thousand jobs.

Again, the point of this is that Trump promised to keep jobs from migrating to Mexico.

He kept his promise. This is proof that he will keep all his promises and go on to Make America Great.

No amount of whining about the popular vote is going to change that, so just suck it up and learn to live in Greater America.

/

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m0nkeyb0y  Dec 1, 2016 • 1:04:55pm

re: #222 Tigger2

Trump is not draining the swamp, he is dredging it

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cat-tikvah  Dec 1, 2016 • 6:08:50pm

re: #184 Dr. Matt

Me either. All blather.


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