This Afro-Cuban Percussionist Will Blow You Away: The Pedrito Martinez Group: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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Feb. 20, 2019 | Felix Contreras — Something happens when you get a chance to see Afro-Cuban percussionist Pedrito Martinez perform. First of all, his smile radiates. It’s hard to imagine someone happier than he is to make music in front of people; and as we saw during his turn behind Bob Boilen’s desk, he mesmerizes with this almost otherworldly talent on congas. His hands can be a blur because they move so quickly. To the untrained eye, it’s hard to see exactly what he is doing to draw out the sounds he does from his drums. I even know a little about playing hand drums and it still doesn’t make it easier to fathom his remarkable talent.

Pedrito Martinez has gathered around him musicians who are helping him make the music he hears in his head. As you’ll hear, it’s full of twists and turns and unexpected stops that resolve into grooves so ferocious it’s hard to resist moving your entire body in appreciation.

This particular performance at the Tiny Desk is highlighted by a stunning, unaccompanied conga solo that dazzled both neophytes and long-time fans of Afro-Cuban music.

Go ahead. Watch it repeatedly. It will still amaze each time you watch it.

Set List
“Tuvé Una Revelación”

Musicians
Pedrito Martinez: percussion, lead vocals; Sebastian Natal: electric bass, vocals; Jhair Sala: percussion, vocals; Issac Delgado Jr.: keyboard, vocals

Credits
Producers: Felix Contreras, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Kimani Oletu, Beck Harlan, Kara Frame; Associate Producer: Bobby Carter; Production Assistant: Adelaide Sandstrom; Photo: Amr Alfiky/NPR

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Chrysicat  Feb 27, 2019 • 7:54:57pm

A one-hour thread, Charles? Really?

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Chrysicat  Feb 27, 2019 • 7:56:46pm

re: #59 Belafon

It was the season finale of “The Masked Singer.” My wife and kid are into it. They were down to the final three, who ended up being her in third, Donnie Osmand in second, and T-Pain ended up winning. I’m not sure what he won, he was just the last to be unmasked.

I take it he wasn’t just rapping all series. (T-Pain, not the old dude). Think he’ll branch out in the genres he releases commercially?

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2019 • 8:00:52pm

re: #2 Chrysicat

I take it he wasn’t just rapping all series. (T-Pain, not the old dude). Think he’ll branch out in the genres he releases commercially?

I don’t think they did any rapping, that might have given away too much. Gladys Knight sang Bonnie Raitt’s “I can’t make you love me.” I didn’t pay enough attention to hear what Donnie or T-Pain sang.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 27, 2019 • 8:05:55pm

My wife thought the peacock was NPH.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 27, 2019 • 8:06:21pm

Rain gauge is at 19.42” for the east bay. Hills are green, mustard flowers starting to pop up and add some yellow.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2019 • 8:12:42pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

My wife thought the peacock was NPH.

My son did, but he’s only fourteen, so NPH is the only possible person he’d heard of that came close to fitting any of the descriptions.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2019 • 8:31:15pm

re: #1 Chrysicat

A one-hour thread, Charles? Really?

That’s right, I’m a rebel. A loner. You can’t stop me.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 27, 2019 • 8:37:12pm

Another great thread from Teri Kanefield

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2019 • 8:37:16pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 27, 2019 • 8:38:08pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 27, 2019 • 8:45:03pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 27, 2019 • 8:46:44pm
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DodgerFan1988  Feb 27, 2019 • 9:09:38pm
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 27, 2019 • 9:10:50pm

Don’t try and tell me I’m wrong.

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Interesting Times  Feb 27, 2019 • 9:22:26pm

Bwahaha:

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Scout  Feb 27, 2019 • 9:22:33pm

Just in case anyone needs a bit of a chuckle:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2019 • 9:22:52pm

re: #10 Patricia Kayden

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As recently as last year.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2019 • 9:23:50pm

re: #11 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Yeah he’s not used to a press that holds him accountable we know.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2019 • 9:52:00pm

LOL!

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blueraven  Feb 27, 2019 • 9:57:59pm

Huh?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 27, 2019 • 9:58:01pm

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

I’ll let you know if I hear if Kim is on his train to go back home. //

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 27, 2019 • 10:15:52pm
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austin_blue  Feb 27, 2019 • 10:32:11pm

re: #21 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’ll let you know if I hear if Kim is on his train to go back home. //

Kim’s train had to stop at the Vietnamese border. The Vietnamese have a different gauge on their tracks just to ensure that trains from China can’t cross their borders.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2019 • 10:50:05pm
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 27, 2019 • 10:58:43pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

Topher Grace really did a fantastic job editing that all together. Legend has it he did a fan edit of the Star Wars prequel films and those who’ve seen it say it’s absolutely brilliant.

Apparently, he also edited The Hobbit film trilogy into one single two hour long film….a vast improvement, IMHO. He did that to unwind after his role as David Duke in BlacKkKlansman.

He’s a seriously good actor - but he’s also apparently a damn good film editor.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:07:58pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:14:36pm

Twitter snark is the best snark.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:18:51pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:21:03pm

Lawmaker promoting anti-vaxx bill suggests measles can be treated with antibiotics. (It can’t.)

Amid a relentless anti-vaccine movement and measles outbreaks across the United States, a Texas lawmaker has falsely suggested that antibiotics can be used to treat the deadly childhood disease.

Texas state Rep. Bill Zedler (R), an anti-vaxxer who is promoting legislation to allow parents to more easily opt out of vaccinations for their children, said he had measles when he was a child.

“When I grew up, I had a lot of these illnesses,” Zedler recalled, according to the Texas Observer. “They wanted me to stay at home. But as far as being sick in bed, it wasn’t anything like that.”

“They want to say people are dying of measles,” he added. “Yeah, in Third World countries they’re dying of measles. Today, with antibiotics and that kind of stuff, they’re not dying in America.”

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:23:06pm
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:24:26pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

There’s a whole lotta people out there (and not just in the US, either - the anti-vaxx movement is fairly strong in parts of the EU as well) who simply do not, or maybe can not, understand simple science.

These people, through their sheer ignorance, are going to end up ushering in a new Dark Ages if this keeps going.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:24:54pm
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:28:13pm

re: #30 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

Kim Jong-un is certainly quite foul as human beings go, but he is not a stupid man. If he was watching the Cohen hearings as that Tweet suggests, yeah, it’s little doubt that he and his compatriots probably concluded that Trump is finished, one way or another.

They’ll probably just pull back, hopefully continue to talk with their counterparts in South Korea, and see who ends up being POTUS next.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:29:17pm
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:34:48pm

re: #34 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

Seriously though, something must’ve gone wrong. For talks to break down that abruptly, something had to have happened behind the scenes that we’re not privy to.

Eventually, it’ll come out of course; but I’m definitely wondering what the hell happened.

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ckkatz  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:36:35pm

Phew…

Well, caught up again finally.

Sounds like the kale issue has been resolved. And I agree that there is likely a genetic component to how folks react to it.

Possibly similar to the Brown_Marmorated/Chinese Stinkbug and cilantro issue.

And thanks to everybody for all the posts keeping us up to date on the weak, embarrassing and failing president leaving Vietnam after a failed and embarrassing summit!

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:41:01pm

So, F&F in a few hours is probably going to consist of “THESE TALKS FAILED BECAUSE OF THE DEMS!”

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:41:39pm
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:45:39pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

So, F&F in a few hours is probably going to consist of “THESE TALKS FAILED BECAUSE OF THE DEMS!”

You’re probably not wrong - they’ll probably blame the summit’s failure on Cohen’s live testimony, maybe saying something like, THE DEMS DELIBERATELY ORCHESTRATED THIS TO PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER THE PRESIDENT WHILE HE WAS ENGAGED IN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMACY.

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ckkatz  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:47:05pm

I also had a chance to watch Steve Kornicki host HardBall Wednesday evening. And I agree that it was not a shining moment.

I find Steve Kornicki a good tv personality with a lot of very good information and an excellent demeanor. I am glad that he is getting a chance to make a bigger name for himself. I would be happy to see him as a host some day.

However the panels definitely did not work out Wednesday evening.

The first block had Ari Melber and two other panelists. Ari is bright, knowledgeable and also has a great tv demeanor. But he has a tendency to overwhelm and run over folks on his show. And that happened in this block. The other panelists each seemed to get one statement out, and then it was all Ari for the rest of the block. And Steve was not in a position to slow him down.

The second block had Noah Rothman as the token conservative. He managed in the most arrogant, pompous and insulting fashion to gaslight the audience. I muted the tv and did something useful instead.

When the third block featured Tulsi Gabbard, I, like other lizards, just shut the tv off. And did not come back for the final bit.

edit - added “and insulting” to the Rothman description.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:48:32pm

re: #35 Dr Lizardo

Seriously though, something must’ve gone wrong. For talks to break down that abruptly, something had to have happened behind the scenes that we’re not privy to.

Eventually, it’ll come out of course; but I’m definitely wondering what the hell happened.

To answer my own question, it could be something as simple as Trump had a full-on behind-the-scenes meltdown as a result of Cohen’s testimony……he freaked out and decided he needs to get back to D.C. pronto.

And that really wouldn’t be a surprise.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:51:50pm

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

To answer my own question, it could be something as simple as Trump had a full-on behind-the-scenes meltdown as a result of Cohen’s testimony……he freaked out and decided he needs to get back to D.C. pronto.

And that really wouldn’t be a surprise.

I think the suggestion that Kim pulled the plug because he doesn’t think Donny will be around much longer has some weight to it. He’s not likely to get much of anything from Don that won’t now be controversial at home, any agreement would have to be submitted to Congress, and the present status quo is beneficial to him.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:52:39pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:53:04pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:53:36pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Lawmaker promoting anti-vaxx bill suggests measles can be treated with antibiotics. (It can’t.)

and you can just bring along a chicken to pay for it…

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ckkatz  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:53:46pm

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

To answer my own question, it could be something as simple as Trump had a full-on behind-the-scenes meltdown as a result of Cohen’s testimony……he freaked out and decided he needs to get back to D.C. pronto.

And that really wouldn’t be a surprise.

I agree that there is probably a lot of truth to this.

Additionally, good summits require a lot of prior work. And those with difficult countries, like North Korea, require even more. Which I suspect Trump did not bother to do, and which, I also suspect, he does not have the staff to do for him.

Kim was likely there for what prestige he could get. And when Trump stopped or could not offer him any more, he made the calculation that he was wasting his time.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:54:15pm

re: #43 Targetpractice

I think the suggestion that Kim pulled the plug because he doesn’t think Donny will be around much longer has some weight to it. He’s not likely to get much of anything from Don that won’t now be controversial at home, any agreement would have to be submitted to Congress, and the present status quo is beneficial to him.

That could certainly factor into it as well. Like I said, Kim Jong-un may be foul, be he is not foolish.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:54:44pm

re: #39 Dr Lizardo

You’re probably not wrong - they’ll probably blame the summit’s failure on Cohen’s live testimony, maybe saying something like, THE DEMS DELIBERATELY ORCHESTRATED THIS TO PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER THE PRESIDENT WHILE HE WAS ENGAGED IN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMACY.

Don Jr already implied that in a tweet

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:55:56pm

I think Trump left early because his people could not find Arby’s

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:56:06pm

re: #47 ckkatz

I agree that there is probably a lot of truth to this.

Additionally, good summits require a lot of prior work. And those with difficult countries, like North Korea, require even more. Which I suspect Trump did not bother to do, and which, I also suspect, he does not have the staff to do for him.

Kim was likely there for what prestige he could get. And when Trump stopped or could not offer him any more, he made the calculation that he was wasting his time.

Trump was probably doing little else but watching Cohen’s testimony and throwing a temper tantrum.

If I were Kim, yeah, I’d probably say to myself, “To hell with this…..this is a waste of my time. I’m going home.”

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:58:48pm

re: #51 Dr Lizardo

Trump was probably doing little else but watching Cohen’s testimony and throwing a temper tantrum.

If I were Kim, yeah, I’d probably say to myself, “To hell with this…..this is a waste of my time. I’m going home.”

Might be somewhere in the middle: Donny wasn’t giving this “summit” his all because he was spending too much time watching Cohen’s testimony and the press’ response to such, while Kim was watching the same and seeing the writing on the wall. Both sides may have reached the same conclusion that this isn’t going anywhere, Donny wanted to go home, Kim wanted to cut any potential losses, and so the whole thing was scrapped.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 27, 2019 • 11:59:25pm

re: #35 Dr Lizardo

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

All the overselling he’s done in public can’t have helped this negotiation process. The hype, the lies about what’s been achieved…all are ammo for Kim. And the Korea wonks have suggested all along that (for Kim) these talks aren’t really about an agreement, but about trying to leverage the discussion to give DPRK a sheen of legitimacy and power on the world stage by virtue of co-starring with the USA.

The other thing is that there’s a record of Trump arbitrarily walking away from discussions as some kind of petty power move, both in business ventures and in how he’s handled stuff while in office.

That said, as a narcissist the Cohen hearings may have injured Trump enough for him to act out.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:00:07am

re: #52 Targetpractice

Might be somewhere in the middle: Donny wasn’t giving this “summit” his all because he was spending too much time watching Cohen’s testimony and the press’ response to such, while Kim was watching the same and seeing the writing on the wall. Both sides may have reached the same conclusion that this isn’t going anywhere, Donny wanted to go home, Kim wanted to cut any potential losses, and so the whole thing was scrapped.

That sounds about right, actually. Multiple factors coming into play.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:03:05am
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ckkatz  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:03:20am

Looks like the US weather is about to get interesting:

One of the strongest Arctic outbreaks of winter is ready to surge into the Lower 48 in early March

“Around March 4 or 5, there could be a day or two with temperatures 20 to 40 degrees below normal encompassing about one-third of the country, from Montana to Wisconsin in the north and then sweeping south across most of the central United States between the Rockies and Mississippi River. The cold ultimately makes it to the Mexico border with Texas and into the Gulf of Mexico.”

washingtonpost.com

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ckkatz  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:09:09am

Meanwhile:

A ‘snow tornado’ spun up in New Mexico last week and might be the first documented in the U.S.
“Antonio Chiquito was having a relatively normal winter day in Tinian, N.M., on Feb. 17. Temperatures were about 30 degrees, with heavy snow showers, and nothing seemed too out of the ordinary. And then he spotted a tornado — made out of snow.”

washingtonpost.com

CNN called it a Snow-Devil:
cnn.com

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:09:30am

re: #55 Ace-o-aces

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It seems the wingnuts are already rushing to declare that Donny actually comes away looking “good” because he didn’t accept a “bad deal.” Why? Because that’s what he just told them in the presser, that he’d “rather walk away with no deal than a bad deal.”

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:11:53am

By the way—

With the comments on Warmbier, we have another data point in the trend in which the president is unbothered by systemic cruelty and violence in its actuality, and expresses sympathy for the tyrant rather than the tormented.

And that graph should be plotted on the same page as the one charting the pornographically-detailed, almost gleeful descriptions of violence he narrates that *also* display no empathy for the suffering.

…and it’s not just him. This is part of his appeal to his base because they’re the same way.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:12:51am

re: #58 Targetpractice

It seems the wingnuts are already rushing to declare that Donny actually comes away looking “good” because he didn’t accept a “bad deal.” Why? Because that’s what he just told them in the presser, that he’d “rather walk away with no deal than a bad deal.”

Trump’s saying he walked away because the North Koreans wanted the immediate lifting of all sanctions, which would be laughably unreasonable by any metric…..if that’s true.

And herein lies the problem - no sensible human being can trust anything Trump says, not one word of it. He’s a pathological liar.

So even if he was telling the truth in this particular instance, I see no reason whatsoever to take him at his word nor give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:17:54am

re: #60 Dr Lizardo

Trump’s saying he walked away because the North Koreans wanted the immediate lifting of all sanctions, which would be laughably unreasonable by any metric…..if that’s true.

And herein lies the problem - no sensible human being can trust anything Trump says, not one word of it. He’s a pathological liar.

So even if he was telling the truth in this particular instance, I see no reason to take him at his word.

Folks over at Fark are pointing out that he kept hammering that he “could have made a deal” and responded to a reporter asking about who walked away with (paraphrased) “It doesn’t matter who.” The indication would be that Kim was the one who bailed out, likely because he either sees no chance of getting what he wants or feels Trump is fatally injured, and chose to leave the table without committing to anything.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:20:02am

re: #61 Targetpractice

Folks over at Fark are pointing out that he kept hammering that he “could have made a deal” and responded to a reporter asking about who walked away with (paraphrased) “It doesn’t matter who.” The indication would be that Kim was the one who bailed out, likely because he either sees no chance of getting what he wants or feels Trump is fatally injured, and chose to leave the table without committing to anything.

On the bright side, we’ll be able to ascertain if it was Kim who walked away fairly soon……because as soon as Trump’s on Air Force One making his way home, he’ll start bitchtweeting.

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ckkatz  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:22:21am

Final weather post:

“The latest in a nonstop series of winter storms is dumping additional feet of snow on major mountain ranges along the West Coast, breaking records along the way.

In California’s Sierra Nevada, Squaw Valley has notched its snowiest month on record, Mammoth Mountain has seen in its snowiest February, and Homewood Mountain has surpassed 500 inches for the season. Sierra-at-Tahoe has dubbed the onslaught of snow “Februburied.”“

‘Februburied:’ Up to 25 feet of snow has fallen in mountains on the West Coast this February

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Scout  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:25:13am

In my opinion, North Korea’s main — if not only — goal is stringing out the whole thing (by which I mean everything, not just this summit garbage) as long as possible so the world will grow weary and accept it as a nuclear power.

They’re playing trump beautifully in this regard.

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ckkatz  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:29:07am

I do agree that Trump was played by Kim.

I am also curious as to what Lavrov was doing while lurking in the vicinity.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:33:16am

re: #65 ckkatz

I do agree that Trump was played by Kim.

I am also curious as to what Lavrov was doing while lurking in the vicinity.

Yep. And not just that, but wither Venezuela? If Trump can’t run for re-election on a platform of a peace treaty with North Korea and winning the Nobel Peace Prize, will he choose to wag the dog a little closer to home? If he can’t be a peacetime President, maybe he figures he can be a wartime President.

I wouldn’t put it past him, that’s for sure.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:36:22am

Meanwhile, after a long (and welcome) absence, Frothy turns up with this nugget of insight:

Former GOP Sen. Rick Santorum (Pa.) said Wednesday that President Trump’s claims about the Russia investigation shouldn’t be alarming because the president “doesn’t tell the truth about a lot of things fairly consistently.”

“The president doesn’t tell the truth about a lot of things fairly consistently,” Santorum, a CNN commentator, said during a panel discussion on”Anderson Cooper 360.”

“And so the fact that he’s not telling the truth about Russia fairly consistently, at least in the eyes of the people around here, why is that any different? It’s not like he’s doing something out of character with the Russia investigation, that he’s not doing in other areas,” he continued.

“Is that really the best defense you can come up with?” CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin responded.

thehill.com

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ckkatz  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:53:41am

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

Yep. And not just that, but wither Venezuela? If Trump can’t run for re-election on a platform of a peace treaty with North Korea and winning the Nobel Peace Prize, will he choose to wag the dog a little closer to home? If he can’t be a peacetime President, maybe he figures he can be a wartime President.

I wouldn’t put it past him, that’s for sure.

I agree with you that Venezuela is probably on the shortlist.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:56:45am

I figure squaring the circle will be interesting today for the wingnuts, how to blame the Dems for ruining the “summit” with the Cohen hearing but also hailing Trump for being such an awesome leader for walking away from a “bad deal.”

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Scout  Feb 28, 2019 • 1:47:18am

I’m stealing this comment from elsewhere:

Maybe now that Trump is in Vietnam, he can visit the final resting place of the soldier who took his spot.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 28, 2019 • 2:52:25am

re: #23 austin_blue

Kim’s train had to stop at the Vietnamese border. The Vietnamese have a different gauge on their tracks just to ensure that trains from China can’t cross their borders.

There is one track now into Hanoi with the same gauge as China’s railways, but the last stop is about one hour to central Hanoi by taxi or bus. Kim did not take that route, but traveled by car to and from the border.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 3:18:40am

re: #23 austin_blue

Kim’s train had to stop at the Vietnamese border. The Vietnamese have a different gauge on their tracks just to ensure that trains from China can’t cross their borders.

Just like Russian railroads

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 3:21:09am

re: #25 Dr Lizardo

Topher Grace … edited The Hobbit film trilogy into one single two hour long film….a vast improvement, IMHO. He did that to unwind after his role as David Duke in BlacKkKlansman.

I find myself doing a “self-edit” and skipping irrelevant scenes when I watch The Hobbit Trilogy; it would make a good 2-3 hour film

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 3:28:15am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I find myself doing a “self-edit” and skipping irrelevant scenes when I watch The Hobbit Trilogy; it would make a good 2-3 hour film

There’s a fan edit of The Hobbit trilogy called “The Tolkein Edit” - it’s from a few years back. Someone took the three films and edited them down into one two-and-a-half hour (or thereabouts) flick.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 3:29:27am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

There’s a fan edit of The Hobbit trilogy called “The Tolkein Edit” - it’s from a few years back. Someone took the three films and edited them down into one two-and-a-half hour (or thereabouts) flick.

Like Jefferson and the New Testament, so to speak…

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 3:31:42am

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Like Jefferson and the New Testament, so to speak…

Heh…..the first American fan edit.

I’ve read the Jefferson Bible. It’s good.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2019 • 3:32:23am

re: #67 Dr Lizardo

Lol! So Trump being a repeated liar is a good thing? Republicans have really sold their souls to the devil to support Trump at all costs. It’s amazing to see.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 3:33:26am

re: #78 Patricia Kayden

Lol! So Trump bring a repeated liar is a good thing? Republicans have really sold their souls to the devil to support Trump at all costs. It’s amazing to see.

Not to mention the mental gymnastics of attacking as a liar and criminal someone who was once chairman of their finance committee

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2019 • 3:36:42am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 3:36:51am

re: #78 Patricia Kayden

Lol! So Trump bring a repeated liar is a good thing? Republicans have really sold their souls to the devil to support Trump at all costs. It’s amazing to see.

It’s world-class, gold medal, Olympian mental gymnastics. Seriously, the convoluted logic the Trumpites are compelled to adopt must be absolutely mentally exhausting.

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fern01  Feb 28, 2019 • 3:58:10am

re: #34 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

He really is imitating Putin, taking his handpicked “reporter” with him to spread the propaganda.

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fern01  Feb 28, 2019 • 4:00:51am

re: #39 Dr Lizardo

THE DEMS DELIBERATELY ORCHESTRATED THIS TO PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER THE PRESIDENT WHILE HE WAS ENGAGED IN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMACY.

If the dems didn’t plan it - it sure fell into place to highlight the nonsense of this imbecile thinking he can negotiate anything, let alone with the despots of the world.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 4:08:15am

re: #83 fern01

If the dems didn’t plan it - it sure fell into place to highlight the nonsense of this imbecile thinking he can negotiate anything, let alone with the despots of the world.

Trump’s good at negotiating - when he holds all the cards and he’s up against someone who’s in a far weaker position.

I recall that for many years, Trump was furious at the late Merv Griffin over some real estate deal because Merv totally got the better of him and Trump simply didn’t expect that. He failed to realize that Griffin was a pretty rock-solid businessman….Trump thought he was just dealing with a talk-show host.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 28, 2019 • 4:14:31am

re: #60 Dr Lizardo

Trump’s saying he walked away because the North Koreans wanted the immediate lifting of all sanctions, which would be laughably unreasonable by any metric…..if that’s true.

And herein lies the problem - no sensible human being can trust anything Trump says, not one word of it. He’s a pathological liar.

So even if he was telling the truth in this particular instance, I see no reason whatsoever to take him at his word nor give him the benefit of the doubt.

I can’t wait to hear what ACTUALLY happened.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 4:14:56am

oh yeah, that’s gonna go over well with Otto’s parents…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 28, 2019 • 4:17:19am

re: #84 Dr Lizardo

Trump’s good at negotiating - when he holds all the cards and he’s up against someone who’s in a far weaker position.

I recall that for many years, Trump was furious at the late Merv Griffin over some real estate deal because Merv totally got the better of him and Trump simply didn’t expect that. He failed to realize that Griffin was a pretty rock-solid businessman….Trump thought he was just dealing with a talk-show host.

Here’s the receipts. First, the article in the NYT saying Trump had to give in to Griffin’s offer.
nytimes.com

And then an article in the LA Times where Trump says he intended to let Griffin win the bid.
articles.latimes.com

DONALD TRUMP IS ANXIOUS TO set the record straight: He did not lose to Merv Griffin. “Merv offered me a lot of money,” he says during a recent interview. “That’s why I made the deal. Do you understand that? I would not have accepted except that he offered me so much. You understand that, don’t you?” And later in the same interview: “You understand that I had 88% of the vote in Resorts. I didn’t have to approve the deal. Do you know that?”

But maybe Trump had the last laugh.
articles.orlandosentinel.com

In 1988, the entertainer-turned-mogul used $325 million in junk bonds to best Donald Trump in bidding to control the stock of Resorts International, which owned hotel/casinos in Atlantic City and the Bahamas. Many thought it was a dumb deal, and they were correct: Resorts suspended interest payments in early 1989 and, in December, filed for bankruptcy.

The deal was a clunker because the 70-year-old Atlantic City casino Griffin bought would look ”seedy and decrepit in comparison” with the Taj Mahal that Trump was building next door.

”How could a man who is smart enough to make $400 million be so dumb as to buy a losing proposition at an outrageous price?” reporters Richard Stern and John Connolly ask rhetorically.

They suggest that Griffin, like Ronald Reagan, wasn’t big on details. He unwittingly entrusted his fortunes to slimeballs with mob ties. Preferring to sit in a Beverly Hills mansion and mull questions for game shows, he may not have known that the executive who handled his outside investments was tight with an organized-crime figure who then played a role in the deal.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 4:30:28am

re: #87 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I didn’t know about that last part.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 4:33:45am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here…hold my Warm Beer

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 28, 2019 • 4:36:13am

re: #88 Dr Lizardo

I didn’t know about that last part.

Nor I. Basically, it seems Atlantic City was a money pit for everyone but the Mob. Take a look at how many joints have been closed, demolished or renamed. Several boast the Trump brand.
en.wikipedia.org

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 28, 2019 • 4:38:29am

re: #90 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Atlantic City is to fortunes as Afghanistan is to empires. It is where they go to die.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 4:47:06am

Wonder what Otto’s parents think of that. This is a new low even for him. I’m old enough to remember when Obama was said to be easily fooled by dictators and murderers. Gee more GOP and right wing projection. He really does go out of his way to appease tyrants.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 4:49:12am

re: #92 HappyWarrior

Wonder what Otto’s parents think of that. This is a new low even for him. I’m old enough to remember when Obama was said to be easily fooled by dictators and murderers. Gee more GOP and right wing projection. He really does go out of his way to appease tyrants.

Trump thinks this will help grease the skids for one of his deals and does not give a damn about the human element behind it.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2019 • 4:55:02am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 4:56:42am

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump thinks this will help grease the skids for one of his deals and does not give a damn about the human element behind it.

He’s not going to get a deal. Kim Jong Un will keep charming him.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:02:12am

re: #40 ckkatz

I also had a chance to watch Steve Kornicki host HardBall Wednesday evening. And I agree that it was not a shining moment.

I find Steve Kornicki a good tv personality with a lot of very good information and an excellent demeanor. I am glad that he is getting a chance to make a bigger name for himself. I would be happy to see him as a host some day.

However the panels definitely did not work out Wednesday evening.

The first block had Ari Melber and two other panelists. Ari is bright, knowledgeable and also has a great tv demeanor. But he has a tendency to overwhelm and run over folks on his show. And that happened in this block. The other panelists each seemed to get one statement out, and then it was all Ari for the rest of the block. And Steve was not in a position to slow him down.

The second block had Noah Rothman as the token conservative. He managed in the most arrogant, pompous and insulting fashion to gaslight the audience. I muted the tv and did something useful instead.

When the third block featured Tulsi Gabbard, I, like other lizards, just shut the tv off. And did not come back for the final bit.

edit - added “and insulting” to the Rothman description.

I hadn’t watched MSNBC in months. You summed it up perfectly. It was really bad television. Why have guests you don’t let talk? And seeing Rothman made me want to puke. When Gabbard came on I checked out.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:07:14am

re: #67 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, after a long (and welcome) absence, Frothy turns up with this nugget of insight:

thehill.com

From that USA Today article on Jacob Wohl the other day…

In the spread of information, he said, truth is an obsolete concept. “It’s something that can’t be thought about in a linear, binary true-false, facts-non-facts - you can’t do that anymore,” Wohl said. “It’s just not the way it works.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:09:59am

re: #97 MsJ

From that USA Today article on Jacob Wohl the other day…

In the spread of information, he said, truth is an obsolete concept. “It’s something that can’t be thought about in a linear, binary true-false, facts-non-facts - you can’t do that anymore,” Wohl said. “It’s just not the way it works.”

That is a turd of wisdom so solid you can polish it to a shine.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:15:15am

re: #97 MsJ

That sounds very much like the approach of the Russians to the concept of truth.

Truth is little more than a “choose-your-own-adventure” in such a worldview. Truth becomes purely subjective.

Back later; off to teach.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:16:04am

re: #84 Dr Lizardo

Trump’s good at negotiating - when he holds all the cards and he’s up against someone who’s in a far weaker position.

I recall that for many years, Trump was furious at the late Merv Griffin over some real estate deal because Merv totally got the better of him and Trump simply didn’t expect that. He failed to realize that Griffin was a pretty rock-solid businessman….Trump thought he was just dealing with a talk-show host.

And if not the person isn’t in a weaker position, threaten litigation.

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jeffreyw  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:23:50am

Good morning!

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:25:22am

re: #99 Dr Lizardo

That sounds very much like the approach of the Russians to the concept of truth.

Truth is little more than a “choose-your-own-adventure” in such a worldview. Truth becomes purely subjective.

Back later; off to teach.

Of course this leads to a corollary of : truth is only as valid as the will to enforce it

Or simply…

Triumph of the Will

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Dave In Austin  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:26:35am
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:27:27am

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think Trump left early because his people could not find Arby’s

Lol! Or any hamberders!!

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Dave In Austin  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:28:31am

Oh be still my heart…… Belly up!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:36:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:40:38am
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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:43:07am

So last year, we were supposed to be amazed and thankful that Trump had wrangled a toothless “agreement” out of Kim in exchange for undermining our support for South Korea. It was supposed to be something that no other president had done or could do, and wingnuts insisted that he deserved credit for meeting with Kim when “no other president would!”

A year later, we’re supposed to be just as ecstatic that another photo-op masquerading as a “summit” broke down hours before there was supposed to be a “signing ceremony” because “HE’S MADE PROGRESS!” by….talking with Kim. And, even more important, “HE WALKED AWAY FROM A BAD DEAL!” whose details are only known to Trump and we’ve only his word that it was a “bad deal.”

This is what they’ve been reduced to: Hailing a dinner date as “progress.”

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:43:14am

re: #104 Patricia Kayden

Lol! Or any hamberders!!

In my brief time in Hanoi, I did not see Arby’s, but I did see McD’s, BK, Pizza Hut and Dairy Queen. So, Trump had plenty of fast food choices.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:44:38am

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:45:30am

LOL

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:46:52am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

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Haha sure. Kim ain’t Gorby and Trump ain’t Reagan.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:47:36am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

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Laid the groundwork for the IRBM Treaty…that this administration just shat all over.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:47:44am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

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They fucking wish. Jeez. These people, every last Republican, cannot NOT step on their own dicks. Heck, they don’t just step on them, they dance on them…while wearing ice skates.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:48:03am

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Haha sure. Kim ain’t Gorby and Trump ain’t Reagan.

And Reagan wasn’t All That, either.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:48:57am

re: #113 Targetpractice

Laid the groundwork for the IRBM Treaty…that this administration just shat all over.

Yes. Brilliant!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:49:47am

re: #115 MsJ

And Reagan wasn’t All That, either.

Yeah I feel Reagan benefited from having Gorbachev as his partner.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:54:50am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Yeah I feel Reagan benefited from having Gorbachev as his partner.

Reagan benefited from having competent people around him. Questionable morals at times, but competent.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:55:45am

re: #118 Belafon

Reagan benefited from having competent people around him. Questionable morals at times, but competent.

True. I just think Rekjavanik is unlikely if Chernenko or Andropov is there. We got lucky that the Soviet leadership started dying.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:55:55am

Tower Girl (Peregrine Falcon) is in process of laying her clutch in downtown Austin (UT Tower)

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makeitstop  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:57:37am

[ Jonah wets finger, holds it up to see which way the wind is blowing… ]

‘Trump-skeptical.’ Bold move there, Jonah.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:57:40am
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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 28, 2019 • 5:59:43am
I recall that for many years, Trump was furious at the late Merv Griffin over some real estate deal because Merv totally got the better of him and Trump simply didn’t expect that. He failed to realize that Griffin was a pretty rock-solid businessman….Trump thought he was just dealing with a talk-show host.

I wonder when Merv Griffin finally realized he was just dealing with a talk-show host, not an astute businessman.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:01:20am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

True. I just think Rekjavanik is unlikely if Chernenko or Andropov is there. We got lucky that the Soviet leadership started dying.

I agree. Gorbachev wanted a deal to save his country. Kim doesn’t need one. Whatever Reagen would have tried there would have failed had he had around him who Trump does.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:02:46am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:04:23am

re: #124 Belafon

I agree. Gorbachev wanted a deal to save his country. Kim doesn’t need one. Whatever Reagen would have tried there would have failed had he had around him who Trump does.

I also think Gorby having had family that were victims of Stalinism was a lot more concerned about human rights than Kim would be. The Kim regime is basically a Communist monarchy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:05:30am

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The lengths he goes to make excuses for tyrants and murderers astonishes me. I expect if he meets Kim again, he’ll be blaming Otto for what happened.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:06:45am

Trump is the poster child for the Dunning-Kruger effect when applied to deal-making. He prefers one on one because he overestimates his own ability.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:07:34am

“This could be just like Reyjavik!”

Here’s the problem with that argument: The INF Treaty was a lucky break from that summit, it was something in the background that managed to survive and become the basis of a major arms agreement. The two sides had gone to Reyjavik with an eye towards major denuclearization and failed to reach an agreement on that because Reagan would not allow restrictions on the Strategic Defense Initiative. If he’d been willing to agree to Gorbachev’s request of a 10 year limitation of such work to the laboratory, the summit might have achieved way more than what came of it.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:07:54am

re: #127 HappyWarrior

The lengths he goes to make excuses for tyrants and murderers astonishes me. I expect if he meets Kim again, he’ll be blaming Otto for what happened.

Trump is an authoritarian. He accepts whatever these thugs tell him at face value, and never considers they could be as adept at lying as he is. If Kim had told him the world would admire Trump if he gave South Korea to Kim Jong Un lock, stock and barrel, Trump would have agreed to do it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:09:14am

re: #130 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump is an authoritarian. He accepts whatever these thugs tell him at face value, and never considers they could be as adept at lying as he is. If Kim had told him the world would admire Trump if he gave South Korea to Kim Jong Un lock, stock and barrel, Trump would have agreed to do it.

I’m certain he would too and he would hold himself up as the man who “united” Korea. Trump has always been an ignorant man but now he’s one with a lot of power to influence the immediate future but the long term too. The next President is going to have their hands full cleaning up his mess.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:11:28am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Trump goes to Hanoi to do a summit, which collapsed when North Korea tried to exploit Trump’s vanity and ego after Trump signaled that there was a statement going to signed.

North Korea overplayed their hand, but who can blame them. They take double pleasure in deceiving the deceiver. Trump thinks that he’s a great negotiator and that he was getting what he wanted, but all he’s done re: North Korea is give away American leverage and thrown our allies under the bus while North Korea keeps their nukes, works on their nuclear program, and Trump looks for a photo op.

Then Trump’s comments re: Otto Warmbier should chill just about everyone. Trump gives NK and Jong Un the benefit of doubt, when none should be had. It’s as though Trump excuses dictators and takes them at their word while ignoring our US intel community when they warn that North Korea is expanding their nuclear and missile programs despite what they’re telling Trump.

But here’s the thing. This is a summit that shouldn’t have happened. You don’t do a summit to carry out negotiations. You lay the groundwork before the summit and have everything wrapped up so you get a signing statement. But that’s not how Trumpworld operates, and Trump’s gutted the State Dept, so he’s getting even less info than he should (not that he’s listening to anything he doesn’t want to hear).

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:14:54am

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump thinks that could be set up easily.

This is the same guy who thinks that the JCPOA doesn’t exist and doesn’t check Iranian nuclear sites and make sure that they’re fulfilling their obligations to the IAEA and the 6 parties who are involved.

Trump is such a misguided fool who thinks allowing North Korea more time to build up their nuclear arsenal is a good thing, and that gutting the JCPOA (the Iran deal) is a better thing than allowing it to remain in effect.

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Jay C  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:15:50am

re: #123 BlueSpotinAL

I wonder when Merv Griffin finally realized he was just dealing with a talk-show host, not an astute businessman.

After about a minute?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:16:11am

It is so fucking frustrating having a President who doesn’t know jack shit about history and international relations. And this is why I can’t stress enough that we need a President not an ideologue as our nominee.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:17:21am

re: #134 Jay C

After about a minute?

Trump is why you have proverbs about this: better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:18:19am

Not even air miles.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:19:50am

Trump has had one colossal failure after another recently. He lost his Wall funding. He revealed to the Chinese delegation that he was a complete idiot with his old man rambling about MOUs. And now, he set the stage for a big diplomatic coup only to have it blow up in his face.

Sensible people, patriotic people, would realize Trump is at once both legally compromised and dangerously unqualified and should be removed from office per the 25th amendment. To leave him in a position of power imperils the entire nation.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:24:27am

re: #137 Belafon

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Not even air miles.

What Trump doesn’t realize and what his aides and certainly his idiotic fans don’t realize is that by co-signing on Kim’s bs, he strengthens Kim’s power.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:26:07am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:26:11am

re: #138 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump has had one colossal failure after another recently. He lost his Wall funding. He revealed to the Chinese delegation that he was a complete idiot with his old man rambling about MOUs. And now, he set the stage for a big diplomatic coup only to have it blow up in his face.

Sensible people, patriotic people, would realize Trump is at once both legally compromised and dangerously unqualified and should be removed from office per the 25th amendment. To leave him in a position of power imperils the entire nation.

You would think so but they’re still doubling down more than ever. One of my old friends was posting about the Cohen testimony. One of his friends, a Trump apologist get this believed every word Cohen said but was cool with it since in her words it showed that Trump is a “tough businessman.” To me, there’s really not too much difference in the way he conducts himself than John Gotti.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:29:39am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

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oh yeah, that’s gonna go over well with Otto’s parents…

Morning!

I’m preparing a nice contact message for Rob Portman on this. Otto was from Cincinnati, Portman’s own hometown. I’m going to hammer him that this is how Trump treats dictators and Robby supports Trump even endorsing him for reelection early.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:29:44am

moron is a fanboi

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:29:49am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Tough businessman?

Trump’s business savvy meant inheriting his real estate fortune from his dad, nearly bankrupting that when he bankrupted his casinos six times. He failed with football, steaks, liquor, and any venture outside of real estate.

He lies to taxing authorities repeatedly about the value of his properties, and because he operates close corporations, no one truly knows the extent of those lies and misstatements and claims about his wealth.

He stiffs contractors.

He stiffs his own lawyers.

But he’s cultivated a cult of believers who think that he’s a great negotiator (he isn’t) and that he’s savvy (he isn’t).

He’s a con artist and again revealed that he doesn’t know how to read a room.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:30:36am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not funny.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:31:20am

re: #144 lawhawk

Tough businessman?

Trump’s business savvy meant inheriting his real estate fortune from his dad, nearly bankrupting that when he bankrupted his casinos six times. He failed with football, steaks, liquor, and any venture outside of real estate.

He lies to taxing authorities repeatedly about the value of his properties, and because he operates close corporations, no one truly knows the extent of those lies and misstatements and claims about his wealth.

He stiffs contractors.

He stiffs his own lawyers.

But he’s cultivated a cult of believers who think that he’s a great negotiator (he isn’t) and that he’s savvy (he isn’t).

He’s a con artist and again revealed that he doesn’t know how to read a room.

Yeah he’s a bullshit artist. I know that. You know that. Hell I bet even Trump knows that but a lot of his supporters don’t because they think he’s successful. I’ve even seen Trump supporters who think that Trump is a self made man.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:31:49am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Bill Gates is a tough businessman. Warren Buffett is a tough businessman. They have the billions to prove it. Trump is a hack who would have gone bust more than once if his father had not bailed him out.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:32:21am

re: #147 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Bill Gates is a tough businessman. Warren Buffett is a tough businessman. They have the billions to prove it. Trump is a hack who would have gone bust more than once if his father had not bailed him out.

Exactly.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:35:30am

Seems to me as a guy that has watched the cold war, Nixon’s resignation, the start, and end of quite a few “police actions”, I’m thinking of the current era as the New World Disorder.

The post WW2/Cold war paradigm was ill already but has now been murdered by Donald Trump. What comes next? The strong and smart prevail. By that I mean not us. The vacuum will be filled, perhaps with good caretakers but likely not.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:35:52am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:35:53am

re: #121 makeitstop

‘Trump-skeptical.’ Bold move there, Jonah.
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Bi-lateral curious?

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:36:42am

Bibi indictment watch… Likud’s throwing everything and the kitchen sink to try and derail the administration of justice against Bibi and his corruption.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:37:12am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

I’m certain he would too and he would hold himself up as the man who “united” Korea. Trump has always been an ignorant man but now he’s one with a lot of power to influence the immediate future but the long term too. The next President is going to have their hands full cleaning up his mess.

I stick by my prediction that it will take a decade to undo every year of this administration, double that if he gets re-elected…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:37:41am

re: #149 Unshaken Defiance

Seems to me as a guy that has watched the cold war, Nixon’s resignation, the start, and end of quite a few “police actions”, I’m thinking of the current era as the New World Disorder.

The post WW2/Cold war paradigm was ill already but has now been murdered by Donald Trump. What comes next? The strong and smart prevail. By that I mean not us. The vacuum will be filled, perhaps with good caretakers but likely not.

The 2020’s going to be an interesting era. I find myself really worried about the rise of nationalism around the world. It did not end well last time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:38:17am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I stick by my prediction that it will take a decade to undo every year of this administration, double that if he gets re-elected…

I don’t know if you can measure it and that’s what is tough.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:39:01am

re: #123 BlueSpotinAL

I wonder when Merv Griffin finally realized he was just dealing with a talk-show host, not an astute businessman.

5 minutes on the phone with Trump setting up the meeting.

As soon as he hung up the phone he said “We got this.”

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Scout  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:39:38am

First off, I agree with this fellow.

But second, his wife is even more complicit than these congressmen.

I’m beginning to develop a cynical theory where he doesn’t mean a word of his criticism. That he sends out these tweets just to toy with “the little people.” That it’s all just a sick game to both of them.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:40:12am

Trump is a lot like Willy Loman, except not as likable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:40:44am

re: #158 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump is a lot like Willy Loman, except not as likable.

and not nearly as successful…

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:41:15am

re: #127 HappyWarrior

The lengths he goes to make excuses for tyrants and murderers astonishes me. I expect if he meets Kim again, he’ll be blaming Otto for what happened.

Trump likely: He stole from them. They have very tough laws, not like America where Mexicans steal from us all the time and get away with it.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:42:08am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:42:15am

re: #160 ObserverArt

Trump likely: He stole from them. They have very tough laws, not like America where Mexicans steal from us all the time and get away with it.

Yeah that sounds like what he would say.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:42:26am

Well, I went to bed to rumors about summit problems, and woke up to find that they were true.

The irony is that given who we have in the WH, this is probably the best outcome we could have hoped for.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:42:41am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

The 2020’s going to be an interesting era. I find myself really worried about the rise of nationalism around the world. It did not end well last time.

Nationalism caused by the same thing that caused it in the early 1900s: Business being made more important than the people economies are supposed to serve. All of that nationalism has a very big racist component. And we’ll either untangle it the easy way, or the hard way.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:43:26am

What is the difference between Otto Warmbier and Kate Steinle?

thinking…

thinking…

*light bulb*

Yep, he wasn’t “white” enough

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:43:30am

re: #164 Belafon

Nationalism caused by the same thing that caused it in the early 1900s: Business being made more important than the people economies are supposed to serve. All of that nationalism has a very big racist component. And we’ll either untangle it the easy way, or the hard way.

Exactly.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:45:19am

Time for bed here, folks. See you later.

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Jay C  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:47:26am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

What is the difference between Otto Warmbier and Kate Steinle?

thinking…

thinking…

*light bulb*

Yep, he wasn’t “white” enough

And Warmbier’s demise occurred at the hands of the “wrong” sort of villain.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:49:01am

so much winning…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:53:52am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:54:10am

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s a fool.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:54:26am

WTFITS

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:55:10am

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

so much winning…

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I hope Sherrod Brown, Tim Ryan and the Democrats make a big stink about GM/Lordstown in the 2020 elections.

Many Trump voters in that area of Ohio all along that Eastern border. Obama was slammed for his economic recovery plans especially keeping the auto industry afloat and he kept those folks in jobs.

What did they get taking a chance on Trump? Not a damn thing. More heartbreak.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2019 • 6:58:15am

re: #172 The Vicious Babushka

But when the GOP refuses to fund SNAP, cuts off health coverage for millions of people, that’s called enabling people to thrive on their bootstraps.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:00:42am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:01:35am

re: #174 lawhawk

But when the GOP refuses to fund SNAP, cuts off health coverage for millions of people, that’s called enabling people to thrive on their bootstraps.

And the Churches will take care of the needy

I’ll believe that when that fucking Pulpit Pimp J0el 0$teen sells his 10 million tax exempt mansion and gives the cash to people who can’t pay their doctor bills!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:01:37am

Its time to jump on the Roy Moore for Senate 2020 bandwagon, because it will be a whole lot easier to win control of the Senate if Doug Jones is re-elected! Check out @DavidMDrucker’s Tweet:

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:02:25am

re: #157 Scout

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First off, I agree with this fellow.

But second, his wife is even more complicit than these congressmen.

I’m beginning to develop a cynical theory where he doesn’t mean a word of his criticism. That he sends out these tweets just to toy with “the little people.” That it’s all just a sick game to both of them.

Yup.

It’s the Con-way.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:02:34am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

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Right now Putin and the boys in the Kremlin are popping the champagne corks as they are laughing at what they’re seeing on CNN.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:03:15am

re: #178 Myron Falwell

Yup.

It’s the KKKon-way.

Much more accurate.

Meanwhile George is at home loading up the bong for the third time this morning…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:03:36am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

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Pompeo or someone must’ve convinced Trump that he wouldn’t be able to spin giving away the store to Kim as a “win.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:05:32am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

The 2020’s going to be an interesting era. I find myself really worried about the rise of nationalism around the world. It did not end well last time.

Never thought I would actually be living during Gibbons Fall Of The Roman Empire but the US is heading towards total collapse that will make the fall of Rome look like Skipper Alan Hale’s Roman Orgy Party!

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:07:27am

re: #177 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Its time to jump on the Roy Moore for Senate 2020 bandwagon, because it will be a whole lot easier to win control of the Senate if Doug Jones is re-elected! Check out @DavidMDrucker’s Tweet:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:07:29am

Yes, the country is going to hell but let’s party with the Skipper!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:08:52am

meanwhile at CPAC

these people are nutz

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:09:11am

re: #184 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes, the country is going to hell but let’s party with the Skipper!

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I was trying to think of a work-safe way to say what might go on in the George and KellyAnne Conway House that would keep them together, and this fits the bill.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:13:11am

re: #177 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Its time to jump on the Roy Moore for Senate 2020 bandwagon, because it will be a whole lot easier to win control of the Senate if Doug Jones is re-elected! Check out @DavidMDrucker’s Tweet:

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A couple nights ago, when Doug Jones made his challenge to Moore, I told Wife I would go to Christmas midnight mass if Moore gets the nomination.

I WAS FUCKING JOKING! But I’ll do it.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:14:19am

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile at CPAC

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these people are nutz

So the freaking My Pillow guy gave a headlining speech that was just as insane as Gorky and Kirk?

Sounds about right.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:15:43am

Gosh

No Milo, Chuck C, Jacob Wohl or Loony Laura at CPAC?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:17:14am

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile at CPAC

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these people are nutz

Meanwhile in the Kremlin Vlad and the boys are on the 5th case of Champagne as they watch the insanity at CPAC.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:17:29am

re: #188 Myron Falwell

So the freaking My Pillow guy gave a headlining speech that was just as insane as Gorky and Kirk?

Sounds about right.

Nothing like a reformer. From one extreme to another.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:17:53am

re: #189 Joe Bacon 🌹

Gosh

No Milo, Chuck C, Jacob Wohl or Loony Laura at CPAC?

The way CPAC’s “star power” is devolving, I expect one of the third-shift janitors at the hotel they inhabit to be a headline speaker in 2021.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:18:35am

re: #192 Myron Falwell

The way CPAC’s “star power” is devolving, I expect one of the third-shift janitors at the hotel they inhabit to be a headline speaker in 2021.

Waiting for this guy to show up

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:23:40am

re: #191 ObserverArt

Nothing like a reformer. From one extreme to another.

What has the guy done besides sell pillows in infomercials? I’d rather watch Ron Popiel talk about quantum physics.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:24:29am

Small tip to the GOP: IF you want to retain the Electoral College, slap some duct tape over Paul LePage’s mouth.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:26:28am

re: #195 Targetpractice

Small tip to the GOP: IF you want to retain the Electoral College, slap some duct tape over Paul LePage’s mouth.

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LaPage is even dumber than Trump when it comes to opening his mouth.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:27:01am

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile at CPAC

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these people are nutz

CPAC is a fucking cult.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:27:19am

Can I just say I’m glad there really isn’t a liberal equivalent of CPAC.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:28:50am

Think about what these CPAC assholes are saying about AOC away from the microphones.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:30:48am

re: #194 Myron Falwell

What has the guy done besides sell pillows in infomercials? I’d rather watch Ron Popiel talk about quantum physics.

Sells pillows and rapture bullshit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:36:42am

re: #194 Myron Falwell

What has the guy done besides sell pillows in infomercials? I’d rather watch Ron Popiel talk about quantum physics.

The right likes to hold him up as an example of “pulling up your bootstraps” because he allegedly beat a years long addiction and then made a fortune selling pillows.

He’s just like the person that says they lost 85 lbs in the weight loss commercial when most people won’t ever get close to that.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:36:51am

On this day in history - Castle Bravo test:

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

The scientists predicted a yield of 6MT, but it ended up being more about 3x that due to unforeseen interactions in the thermonuclear device (the scientists though Li-7 was inert, when it actually helped drive the thermonuclear reaction). It also ended up contaminating Bikini atoll with radioactivity. Fallout resulted in injuring those aboard a Japanese fishing trawler, and the residents downwind of the atoll.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:37:56am

re: #201 Eclectic Cyborg

The right likes to hold him up as an example of “pulling up your bootstraps” because he allegedly beat a years long addiction and then made a fortune selling pillows.

He’s just like the person that says they lost 85 lbs in the weight loss commercial when most people won’t ever get close to that.

I mean it’s a nice story but you know what, there are plenty of recovered addicts who are still assholes and he’s definitely one of them acting like we were on the way to doomsday before Trump came along.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:39:14am

re: #195 Targetpractice

Small tip to the GOP: IF you want to retain the Electoral College, slap some duct tape over Paul LePage’s mouth.

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LePage was so bad he got Maine voters to go for ranked choice, which *checks notes* played a role in costing the GOP a house seat.

And Maine doesn’t do the winner-take-all setup. Hasn’t for a while. Getting referendums on what Maine does in states like Ohio and Texas will cause the GOP to suffer cerebral hemorrhages.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:40:40am

re: #204 Myron Falwell

LePage was so bad he got Maine voters to go for ranked choice, which *checks notes* played a role in costing the GOP a house seat.

And Maine doesn’t do the winner-take-all setup. Hasn’t for a while.

LaPage may be an even bigger bigot than Trump. That says a lot.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:43:02am

re: #140 Belafon

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:45:53am

re: #195 Targetpractice

Trump-loving ex-governor says the electoral college is needed to stop ‘the minorities’ from picking presidents

BUT, BUT, BUT…THE LEFT ARE THE REAL RACISTS!!!!!1111

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:46:06am

re: #201 Eclectic Cyborg

The right likes to hold him up as an example of “pulling up your bootstraps” because he allegedly beat a years long addiction and then made a fortune selling pillows.

He’s just like the person that says they lost 85 lbs in the weight loss commercial when most people won’t ever get close to that.

Like we needed another Jared Fogel… :/

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:46:34am

Donny’s black friend is now making the obligatory Faux appearance:

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:47:33am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

LaPage may be an even bigger bigot than Trump. That says a lot.

If there’s one person whom I want to see endorse and campaign with Hapless Susan Collins next year, it’s him.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:48:22am

re: #209 Targetpractice

This petty name calling and back biting is not helping anyone. Work together and help each other.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:48:46am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:49:03am

re: #209 Targetpractice

Donny’s black friend is now making the obligatory Faux appearance:

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Of course. Gotta grift. It’s easier than doing their job.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:49:38am

re: #212 Dr. Matt

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It’s going to come out that Trump asked Gaetz to tweet what he tweeted regarding Cohen isn’t it?

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:49:55am

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Yes. That is what they know best.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:50:07am

re: #210 Myron Falwell

If there’s one person whom I want to see endorse and campaign with Hapless Susan Collins next year, it’s him.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:50:55am

re: #215 PhillyPretzel

Yes. That is what they know best.

Every last one of them. And Lynne, your pal Meadows literally told the President to go back to Kenya. Shut up. If you hadn’t planned Eric’s wedding, you’d be just another black woman for him to insult.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:51:22am

re: #212 Dr. Matt

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A perfect example of what Cohen was talking about yesterday when he stated that Donny’s thugs don’t need to be told explicitly what to do, they just need to read between the lines and know it’s what he wants them to do.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:52:01am

re: #214 HappyWarrior

It’s going to come out that Trump asked Gaetz to tweet what he tweeted regarding Cohen isn’t it?

And no one will be shocked.

DUI Matty is going to learn that Donnie will not be loyal after the loser is disbarred and voted out of office.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:52:56am

re: #219 Dr. Matt

And no one will be shocked.

DUI Matty is going to learn that Donnie will not be loyal after the loser is disbarred and voted out of office.

Gaetz? I barely know him.//

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:53:48am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

I mean it’s a nice story but you know what, there are plenty of recovered addicts who are still assholes and he’s definitely one of them acting like we were on the way to doomsday before Trump came along.

Lindell markets himself as a “sleep expert” despite having no such relevant training or education, he’s also been in legal hot water on a few other fronts. From Wikipedia:

“In April 2016, a class action lawsuit was proposed for the pillows being falsely advertised, among the complaints being that Lindell is marketed as a “Sleep Expert,” despite having no board certification or special training in sleep medicine. The Better Business Bureau has received 220 complaints regarding the company from 2013-2016 [MyPillow currently has an F grade from the BBB - ed.].

In November 2017, the lawsuit, which challenged the appropriateness of the marketing, packaging, and sale of MyPillow products, including health claims about the product, buy one get one promotions, and the use of third party endorsements and logos, was settled.

On November 1, 2016, My Pillow agreed to pay $1 million ($995,000 in civil penalties and $100,000 to California charities benefiting the homeless and victims of domestic violence) to settle a false advertising lawsuit brought in Alameda County Superior Court by Alameda County and eight other California counties. The lawsuit challenged the company’s marketing claims, which asserted without proof that its pillows could treat symptoms of fibromyalgia, restless leg syndrome, sleep apnea, cerebral palsy, acid reflux, and other conditions.As part of the settlement, the company was banned “from making claims in California that its pillows can cure or treat diseases and their symptoms without a human trial to back up the statements.”

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:54:01am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Gaetz? Who is that?

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:54:09am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Gaetz? I barely know him.//

Shorter Donnie: I haven’t talked to him in years. He was a low-level congressman.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:54:09am

Patton is a perfect example of “falling upwards,” going from law school dropout to wedding planner to now member of the Trump administration. Thing is, she’s gonna find out after he leaves office that there’s a very hard glass ceiling.

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makeitstop  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:54:20am

re: #212 Dr. Matt

“I was happy to do it for you. You just keep killing it,” Gaetz was heard telling him.

Florida Bar Association, take note.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:54:48am

re: #209 Targetpractice

Donny’s black friend is now making the obligatory Faux appearance:

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Continuing to give that story oxygen. No one will believe her but Fox’s audience, and that’s precisely the point.

Meanwhile Rep. Tlaib isn’t being proven wrong at all for what she said. If anything, it’s validated and reinforced.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:54:51am

re: #187 Decatur Deb

A couple nights ago, when Doug Jones made his challenge to Moore, I told Wife I would go to Christmas midnight mass if Moore gets the nomination.

I WAS FUCKING JOKING! But I’ll do it.

Consider offering Roy Moore encouragement to run, and donating to his son’s new pac. Even voting for Roy Moore in the GOP primary! It may help make the difference between the Democrats being in the minority or majority in 2021!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:55:10am

re: #225 makeitstop

Florida Bar Association, take note.

I really hope they’re taking this seriously. I have no illusions that the replacement for Gaetz would be a Republican but he is so particularly odious.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:55:48am

GOP congress-critters are vile Nazi trolls. GOP Senators are the spawns of Satan. What a fucking party.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:57:07am

re: #229 Dr. Matt

GOP congress-critters are vile Nazi trolls. GOP Senators are the spawns of Satan. What a fucking party.

And there isn’t any sign they’ll be better when Trump goes.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:57:44am

re: #225 makeitstop

Florida Bar Association, take note.

And the House Ethics committee.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:59:08am

re: #229 Dr. Matt

GOP congress-critters are vile Nazi trolls. GOP Senators are the spawns of Satan. What a fucking party.

A stew of ignorance, incompetence, bigotry, cruelty, law-breaking and law-usurping.

All of the above, Katie.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 28, 2019 • 7:59:43am

Matt Gaetz has become Michael Cohen……

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:00:05am
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:00:58am

re: #232 Myron Falwell

This is one of many reasons why I have been told by my ward leader we are concentrating on local elections. That and GOTV.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:02:56am

And when Trump gets run out of office, the next Republican will be “chosen by God.” Because their deity is a fickle sonovabitch who keeps anointing and then abandoning his “chosen” on a fucking whim.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:03:12am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

And there isn’t any sign they’ll be better when Trump goes.

Trump became a thing because all those elements existed in the GOP in the first place, just not all at once and not as flamboyant about it.

When Rick Scott is now, for all intents and purposes, the brightest star in the party, they have a fuckton of problems.

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makeitstop  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:03:13am

Shorter Ronna: ‘More idiots, plz.’

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:03:51am

re: #234 Dr. Matt

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Remember when conservatives accused us of deifying Obama. They always do this shit. They did it with Bush and they did it with Reagan too. And I have no doubt that had McCain and Romney won, they would have been divinely chosen too. For the longest time, I never got how the religious right could worship an actor whose wife consulted an astrologer and who really didn’t know theology but after Trump, I see it clearly, the religious right will embrace anyone who kisses their asses.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:04:35am

re: #238 makeitstop

Shorter Ronna: ‘More idiots, plz.’

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She”s not wrong. They probably are the future of the party. Rest in Piss.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:05:48am

re: #238 makeitstop

Shorter Ronna: ‘More idiots, plz.’

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They’re the future of the party…because nobody sane will sign up.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:06:09am

re: #234 Dr. Matt

If you own one, burn it. Send My Pillow straight to Hell!!

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:06:45am

re: #240 Barefoot Grin

Rest in Piss.

According to the Steele Dossier they’re into that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:07:20am

re: #238 makeitstop

Shorter Ronna: ‘More idiots, plz.’

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The future of the party is a woman who says the Nazis were great until they invaded Poland but please Ronna tell us more how AOC is awful. Candece and Charlie do the stupid shit they do because they couldn’t get elected anywhere because they’re stupid people who rely on even more stupid people who take them seriously.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:07:22am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

There might have been some mental gymnastics with Mitt in 2012 because Mormon, but wouldn’t have taken much since a large portion of their voting bloc believed the myth that President Obama was a Muslim.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:08:24am

re: #245 Myron Falwell

There might have been some mental gymnastics with Mitt in 2012 because Mormon, but wouldn’t have taken much since a large portion of their voting bloc believed the myth that President Obama was a Muslim.

True.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:08:45am

re: #245 Myron Falwell

And I have heard Brigham Young was such a fine university. /

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:09:30am

Candece is the new future of the party…since Mia Love has been excommunicated for speaking against Dear Leader.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:12:02am

Charlie is also an idiot. Great future you got there GOP with those two, Jacob Wohl, and others. If Ben Shapiro is the smartest of your younger guns, no wonder why your ideology is toxic to most people under 40 who aren’t 80 year olds at heart.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:13:46am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

The GOP have been literally worshipping Raygun for over three decades. Sick fucks.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:13:54am

re: #161 lawhawk

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:14:23am

The GOP talk about folks like Kirk and Owens being “the future of the party.”

The DNC elects their future to office.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:14:31am

re: #238 makeitstop

Shorter Ronna: ‘More idiots, plz.’

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I think Mrs. Romney forgot the part where Candice and Charlie’s stupid PR stunt with Kanye blew up in their faces.

Or was that a resume enhancement?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:14:39am

re: #227 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Consider offering Roy Moore encouragement to run, and donating to his son’s new pac. Even voting for Roy Moore in the GOP primary! It may help make the difference between the Democrats being in the minority or majority in 2021!

Thought of going very “strategic”, but would probably throw a freakn’ embolism if I tried to donate to a GOP shitstick or voted in their open primary.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:15:09am

re: #251 MsJ

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He also demonstrated why his tough talk on Maduro is just that. I bet if Maduro kissed his ass, Trump would start praising him too.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:15:18am

Netanyahu indicted for fraud and bribery……. MOAR COMING!!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:15:58am

re: #252 Targetpractice

The GOP talk about folks like Kirk and Owens being “the future of the party.”

The DNC elects their future to office.

Boom. I’ll take ACO, Hill, Presley, Tlaib, Omar, and the others any day over Kirk, Owens, Shapiro, Wohl, and these other outright losers who are nothing but sorry ass grifters.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:16:05am

re: #256 Dave In Austin

Netanyahu indicted for fraud and bribery……. MOAR COMING!!

Oopsie.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:16:08am

re: #256 Dave In Austin

Netanyahu indicted for fraud and bribery……. MOAR COMING!!

Good.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:16:11am

re: #252 Targetpractice

The GOP talk about folks like Kirk and Owens being “the future of the party.”

The DNC elects their future to office.

Kirk and Owens are the result of political inbreeding in the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:16:42am

re: #253 Myron Falwell

I think Mrs. Romney forgot the part where Candice and Charlie’s stupid PR stunt with Kanye blew up in their faces.

Or was that a resume enhancement?

I forgot about that too. Even Tomi Lahren knew that was dumb. Tomi Lahren!

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:17:19am

To give you an idea of which party’s future actually matters, Candace and AOC are the same age. Yet the former works for Turning Point while the other is a first-term member of Congress. One’s talking out her ass while the other is helping shape legislation that will change this country.

Or, shorter and pithier, one party’s future is talking shit, the other party’s future is doing shit!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:17:40am

re: #250 Dr. Matt

The GOP have been literally worshipping Raygun for over three decades. Sick fucks.

And not the real historical Reagan, but rather the rose-tinted-memories-of-morning-in-America Reagan

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:17:55am

re: #260 Belafon

Kirk and Owens are the result of political inbreeding in the GOP.

They really do offer nothing original or of any substance at all to the discussion. They’re both historically ignorant. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen wingnuts post Kirk’s historical takes and debunk it within minutes and then there’s Candece with her excellent takes on the history of Nazi Germany from January 1933 through September 1939.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:18:53am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:19:10am

re: #263 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And not the real historical Reagan, but rather the rose-tinted-memories-of-morning-in-America Reagan

Raygun would be labeled as a RINO by today’s GOP/Nazis and run out of office.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:19:13am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

CPAC is a fucking cult.

REPUBLICANISM is a fucking cult.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:19:33am

re: #262 Targetpractice

As I said yesterday I was very impressed with AOC. She stuck with her questions and said Thank You to Cohen.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:19:48am

re: #262 Targetpractice

To give you an idea of which party’s future actually matters, Candace and AOC are the same age. Yet the former works for Turning Point while the other is a first-term member of Congress. One’s talking out her ass while the other is helping shape legislation that will change this country.

Or, shorter and pithier, one party’s future is talking shit, the other party’s future is doing shit!

Which is why I love that AOC told Ben Shapiro to go fuck himself pretty much when he demanded that she participate in his attempt to have his website jack him off also known as a Ben Shapiro “debate.” These people can’t get elected because they’re idiots or are such toxic people. AOC to her credit is actually backing up her rhetoric with action. These guys just love to talk about how great capitalism is but it’s only because they know no other way. If they had grown up in a Communist society, they would be Marxist doctrinaires.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:19:54am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

LaPage may be an even bigger bigot than Trump. That says a lot.

Which means he will be running for president soon.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:20:02am

re: #267 MsJ

REPUBLICANISM is a fucking cult.

It is.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:20:46am

re: #270 MsJ

Which means he will be running for president soon.

Yeah I can see him as a possible succesor to Trump. He has the perpetually angry raging loser man baby personality. that the GOP base loves.

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Jay C  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:21:41am

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile at CPAC

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these people are nutz

SRSLY.
I read some tweet from Jacob Wohl about how there’s no such thing as “reality” anymore (not sure if he’s just talking about the Internet, or in general: if the former, he’s not all wrong) - and here’s Charlie Kirk bitching about there being no “objectivity”, etc. Don’t these RWNJs ever check their notes to get on the same page re their bullshit? Or is the CPAC crowd just as likely to cheer their “heroes” regardless of what they say (as long as they can delude themselves into thinking that it “owns the libs”)??

Also, too: WTF is Seb Gorka gibbering on about “hamburgers” yet again? I’ve been trying to read up on the Green New Deal proposals, and nowhere - in among all the suggestions for technological and ecologically-sensitive development and carbon-reductive investment - is any suggestions of “taking away hamburgers” even mentioned in passing.

Baffoons.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:21:42am

re: #260 Belafon

Kirk and Owens are the result of political inbreeding in the GOP.

Ayep. They’re not even 30 and yet they’re pushing ideas that were old when Nixon was in office.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:22:15am

re: #268 PhillyPretzel

As I said yesterday I was very impressed with AOC. She stuck with her questions and said Thank You to Cohen.

I think most of us are a little more moderate than AOC is on economics but it’s how she conducts herself that has my respect. Yeah the Green New Deal is not perfect legislation I concede but she’s identified what she sees as a problem and wants to take some steps to fix it. All the bros I know crapping on her have no solutions other than to just do the same sorry red baiting bullshit.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:22:58am

re: #273 Jay C

SRSLY.
I read some tweet from Jacob Wohl about how there’s no such thing as “reality” anymore (not sure if he’s just talking about the Internet, or in general: if the former, he’s not all wrong) - and here’s Charlie Kirk bitching about there being no “objectivity”, etc. Don’t these RWNJs ever check their notes to get on the same page re their bullshit? Or is the CPAC crowd just as likely to cheer their “heroes” regardless of what they say (as long as they can delude themselves into thinking that it “owns the libs”??

Also, too: WTF is Seb Gorka gibbering on about “hamburgers” yet again? I’ve been trying to read up on the Green New Deal proposals, and nowhere - in among all the suggestions for technological and ecologically-sensitive development and carbon-reductive investment - is any suggestions of “taking away hamburgers” even mentioned in passing.

Baffoons.

I’d like to introduce Charlie to two words, courtesy of his party’s “chosen words”: “Alternative facts.” When you can hold up an image of Donny’s inauguration crowd and really believe it to be the largest turnout of an inauguration in the last 50 years, much less ever, then you’re not even on speaking terms with reality.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:23:13am

re: #273 Jay C

SRSLY.
I read some tweet from Jacob Wohl about how there’s no such thing as “reality” anymore (not sure if he’s just talking about the Internet, or in general: if the former, he’s not all wrong) - and here’s Charlie Kirk bitching about there being no “objectivity”, etc. Don’t these RWNJs ever check their notes to get on the same page re their bullshit? Or is the CPAC crowd just as likely to cheer their “heroes” regardless of what they say (as long as they can delude themselves into thinking that it “owns the libs”??

Also, too: WTF is Seb Gorka gibbering on about “hamburgers” yet again? I’ve been trying to read up on the Green New Deal proposals, and nowhere - in among all the suggestions for technological and ecologically-sensitive development and carbon-reductive investment - is any suggestions of “taking away hamburgers” even mentioned in passing.

Baffoons.

I have no idea. I have no idea why Gorka ever got taken seriously but then again I have no idea what GOP voters thought was so great about Reagan*
*Aside that he was about to smile at them and tell them their bigotry was oaky

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:24:01am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Yeah I can see him as a possible succesor to Trump. He has the perpetually angry raging loser man baby personality. that the GOP base loves.

And the next de-evolution step in the GOP/Nazis is to get behind someone who doesn’t mince words about being a racist. LePage makes his racism quite clear while the rest are cowards using whistles/bullhorns.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:24:21am

re: #274 Targetpractice

Ayep. They’re not even 30 and yet they’re pushing ideas that were old when Nixon was in office.

That’s the thing. Conservatism is the same old shit. Supply side economics failed under Reagan and it failed under Bush. And it’s not working under Trump. I don’t mind tax cuts for the majority of the population but the very wealthy don’t need them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:24:39am

re: #278 Dr. Matt

And the next de-evolution step in the GOP/Nazis is to get behind someone who doesn’t mince words about being a racist. LePage makes his racism quite clear while the rest are cowards using whistles/bullhorns.

Yeah he surpasses Trump in even that regard.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:24:47am

re: #275 HappyWarrior

I think most of us are a little more moderate than AOC is on economics but it’s how she conducts herself that has my respect. … All the bros I know crapping on her have no solutions other than to just do the same sorry red baiting bullshit.

Biggest problem the GOP and the broosphere have with AOC is not that she is a woman or urban or ethnic, it is that she is hot and she gives them a boner and yet they all know that there is not a way on Earth they could gain or even coerce her favors…that gets them in a right tizzy.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:25:13am

re: #147 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Bill Gates is a tough businessman. Warren Buffett is a tough businessman. They have the billions to prove it. Trump is a hack who would have gone bust more than once if his father had not bailed him out.

He would be trading handjobs for cigs under a bridge in New York if he hadn’t inherited the money from his parents. He’s a fucking idiot.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:25:39am

So, now that Benny is being indicted, what does this mean for Jared’s peace plan?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:26:16am

re: #281 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Biggest problem the GOP and the broosphere have with AOC is not that she is a woman or urban or ethnic, it is that she is hot and she gives them a boner and yet they all know that there is not way they could or even coerce her favors…that gets them in a right tizzy.

Dude I know. I know exactly how they view women. I remember Limbaugh talking about Palin in sexual terms when McCain made her his running mate. Women are objects to them.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:26:16am
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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:26:22am

re: #212 Dr. Matt

Edward-Isaac Dovere ✔
@IsaacDovere
President Trump called @mattgaetz last night from Hanoi to talk the Cohen testimony and the threats (since rescinded) Gaetz made about Cohen.
“I was happy to do it for you. You just keep killing it,” Gaetz was heard telling him.
(Gaetz told me he doesn’t discuss calls w/POTUS)

Yeah, that sure is what a guy that was sorry for what he said about Cohen would say.

I hope Nancy Pelosi has a nice surprise for him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:26:25am

re: #282 Eventual Carrion

He would be trading handjobs for cigs under a bridge in New York if he hadn’t inherited the money from his parents. He’s a fucking idiot.

As it was pointed out, he could have invested his inheritance in a stock market fund and be better off than he is now in terms of money - but not in notoriety.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:26:34am

re: #283 Targetpractice

It just got flushed down the toilet.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:27:00am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Yeah I can see him as a possible succesor to Trump. He has the perpetually angry raging loser man baby personality. that the GOP base loves.

He’d be 76 years old in October 2024.

He could still theoretically do it, presuming that the rest of the 2024 field is that weak to the hard-right base.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:28:06am

Curious dichotomy.

Paul Ryan espouses all kinds of right wing bulkshit and is touted as a policy wonk. His record shows nothing beyond vaporware/malware with intent to destroy safety net and redistribute wealth to the rich from everyone else and to make sure that the poor are burdened while the rich see fewer burdens.

AOC jumps out of the gate, proposes a policy and instead of being called a wonk for the proposal, she’s savaged instead, even as her proposal has more meat to it than any of Ryan’s harebrained ideas.

I can’t quite put my finger on why.

Oh, and yesterday’s testimony shows that she’s a quick learner on how to investigate/conduct oversight on Trumpworld.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:28:28am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:28:42am

re: #285 Ace-o-aces

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I really wanted to give Crenshaw some props after the way he handled the Davidson thing in good spirit and humor but nope. And yeah big pass on this. God can’t CPAC just end already? It’s the same thing every fucking year. WE’RE GREAT. OUR IDEOOLOGY IS WHY AMERICA IS GREAT AND LIBERALS ARE SO HATEFUL! God, just shut it down. What a waste of time and space. Again I am so glad that that we don’t have a left wing version of CPAC. I want discussions of ideas. Not a self congratulatory conference about my ideology which is all CPAC is and when it’s not that it’s a bunch of whining brats.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:29:08am

re: #289 Myron Falwell

He’d be 76 years old in October 2024.

He could still theoretically do it, presuming that the rest of the 2024 field is that weak to the hard-right base.

TBH I think Bevin is a good bet.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:29:39am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

TBH I think Bevin is a good bet.

Oh god, no.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:29:40am

re: #291 MsJ

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Sharp as a bowling ball, that one is.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:29:46am

So, wild guess, but Gorka on “they’re coming for your hamburgers” refers to a belief that because cows are a source of methane the Green New Deal will ban beef production?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:30:22am

re: #291 MsJ

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This is what I try telling people who like Trump. He is constantly giving disreputable people the benefit of the doubt. Yes I know our intel agencies were wrong about Iraq but who the fuck is he to think Putin and Kim are at any way trustworthy. They kiss his ass though but you know Kim and Vlad laugh at Trump behind his back for being a mark.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:30:33am

Getting called out by a celeb with 4.5 million followers….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:30:48am

re: #294 MsJ

Oh god, no.

I hear ya but look at who the top 2 were two years ago. They’re not going to get better as a party.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:30:49am

re: #296 Barefoot Grin

So, wild guess, but Gorka on “they’re coming for your hamburgers” refers to a belief that because cows are a source of methane the Green New Deal will ban beef production?

That would be the reason. Same reason they think everything from burgers to cars to air travel to gasoline is about to be banned if the GND becomes a reality.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:31:20am

re: #298 Dr. Matt

Getting called out by a celeb with 4.5 million followers….

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B-list? Hahaha he’s pretty damn famous in his field.

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Jay C  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:31:25am

re: #283 Targetpractice

So, now that Benny is being indicted, what does this mean for Jared’s peace plan?

He (Jared) will just have to put his “plan” on hold ‘til the next guy gets in as PM. Who, more-than-likely, will be even worse than Netanyahu.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:32:02am

re: #283 Targetpractice

So, now that Benny is being indicted, what does this mean for Jared’s peace plan?

It never had a chance before the indictment.

And yet, it does give Jared an out to hide the obvious fact he’s a worse deal-maker than even his nepotistic father-in-law.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:32:04am

re: #300 Targetpractice

That would be the reason. Same reason they think everything from burgers to cars to air travel to gasoline is about to be banned if the GND becomes a reality.

Some of them and the real life version of the elf boss from Rudolph could honestly stand to eat fewer burgers.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:34:18am

re: #273 Jay C

I noticed that disparity as well - Wohl argues there’s no such thing as truth, that is to say, truth is entirely subjective, open to one’s individual interpretation. Whereas Kirk there is arguing the complete opposite, that truth is binary, objective and can be verified.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:34:52am

re: #302 Jay C

He (Jared) will just have to put his “plan” on hold ‘til the next guy gets in as PM. Who, more-than-likely, will be even worse than Netanyahu.

And that’s if Jared isn’t indicted first.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:35:32am

re: #305 Dr Lizardo

I noticed that disparity as well - Wohl argues there’s no such thing as truth, that is to say, truth is entirely subjective, open to one’s individual interpretation. Whereas Kirk there is arguing the complete opposite, that truth is binary, objective and can be verified.

And yet these guys push the same stuff. I don’t know if Jacob and Charlie have ever actively cooperated together on anything but they’re part of the same sorry right wing grift machine that gave us people like O’Keefe.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:35:44am

Although the breaking story is about Netanyahu, the story below that is interesting. Kim and DT are going to cut their summit short.
washingtonpost.com

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:37:20am

re: #308 PhillyPretzel

Although the breaking story is about Netanyahu, the story below that is interesting. Kim and DT are going to cut their summit short.
washingtonpost.com

Those tiny hands are coming home empty. Perhaps a bit soiled gray with the ashes of defeat.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:37:50am

re: #221 Eclectic Cyborg

Lindell markets himself as a “sleep expert” despite having no such relevant training or education, he’s also been in legal hot water on a few other fronts. From Wikipedia:

…

He has also had problems selling sale items that are not sale items. He was asked to change his marketing practices by the Better Business Bureau and he won’t. The guy is still a snake. A snake with a silver cross and an American flag.

Chicago Tribune - My Pillow,’ the infomercial sensation, flunks out of Better Business Bureau

The list of problems keeps growing for My Pillow, the popular Minnesota-based pillow maker known for its late-night TV informercials and celebrity endorsements.

Just months after settling a class action lawsuit alleging false and deceptive advertising, My Pillow has taken a hit over a different set of consumer complaints.

On Tuesday, the Better Business Bureau announced that it had revoked My Pillow’s accreditation and lowered its rating from an A-plus to an F, saying the company’s longstanding “buy one, get one free” offer was unfair and confusing to customers.

The BBB said the offer violated the organization’s code of advertising by marketing pillows in a two-for-one “deal” that was in fact the regular price. Consumers might have thought they were getting a special deal, the BBB found, but they were really paying the full cost of the product, as the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported.

“Continuous BOGO offers, which can then be construed as an item’s regular, everyday price, violate not only BBB’s Code of Advertising, which all BBB Accredited Businesses agree to abide by, but also other state and national organizations’ rules,” said Dana Badgerow, president of BBB in Minnesota and North Dakota.

Losing BBB accreditation doesn’t carry any legal or financial penalties, but it does strip My Pillow of a widely-used industry certification designed to help establish consumer trust in a company. The F rating is the lowest mark a company can receive in the BBB’s rating system based on a company’s complaint history. A company’s rating can be lowered when the bureau “determines that the business is not being transparent about its marketplace conduct,” among other reasons, according to the BBB website.

Founded in 2005, My Pillow touts its product as the “most comfortable pillow you’ll ever own.” The infomercials, a staple of late-night television, have claimed the pillow can prevent sleep loss associated with a range of ailments. The company has sold some 18 million pillows in the past decade at about $50 each, pulling in $100 million annually, as the Star Tribune has reported.

The BBB said they received a “pattern of complaints” about My Pillow’s buy one, get one offer. Bureau officials said they began urging My Pillow founder and spokesman Michael J. Lindell to discontinue the marketing ploy, and were left with no choice but to dock the company’s rating when he didn’t respond, the Star Tribune reported.

Barb Grieman, senior vice president for the BBB in Minnesota, said the bureau seldom gives out F ratings because companies tend to comply.

“We can’t understand why he’s not making the changes,” Grieman told the Star Tribune. “We’re not saying he can’t offer a BOGO, just not continuously all year long.”

According to the BBB, My Pillow should have ended the offer after 30 days.

“It’s unfair to businesses in the same industry,” Grieman said. “We want advertising to be clear.”

Lindell said Tuesday he was disappointed in the BBB’s decision. He told KARE that he wouldn’t be able to stop the sale at the moment but would make unspecified changes later this year. In a tweet Tuesday he said he was “sorry about the new rating as my customer service is the most important thing to me.”

The BBB said it has received 232 complaints about My Pillow in the past three years. Most have related to the buy one, get one offer, the BBB said, but the organization said consumers raised other issues as well. Among them were complaints that the pillow advertised on TV was not the same as the one they received and that a “full warranty” required purchasers to pay a fee to return the product, according to KANE.

The bureau’s announcement comes just a few months after My Pillow agreed to pay $1 million to settle a consumer lawsuit alleging the company overstated the benefits of its products. The company had claimed its pillows could prevent sleep loss from insomnia, restless leg syndrome, neck pain, fibromyalgia, sleep apnea and migraines, raising alarms at the consumer watchdog Truth in advertising.org, as The Washington Post reported. The organization also objected to Lindell’s claim that he was a “sleep expert,” when he had no such training. Lindell said he chose to settle the case rather than pay the legal fees to fight it. The company did not admit fault.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:38:09am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

I hear ya but look at who the top 2 were two years ago. They’re not going to get better as a party.

I forgot about Bevin. Wouldn’t surprise me if he and Rick Scott ran together in 2024.

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darthstar  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:38:31am

Woman calls police on guy because his dog humped hers at a dog park.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:39:01am

re: #311 Myron Falwell

I forgot about Bevin. Wouldn’t surprise me if he and Rick Scott ran together in 2024.

How old is Scott? Want to say he’s presently 60-65.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:39:07am

re: #310 ObserverArt

He has also had problems selling sale items that are not sale items. He was asked to change his marketing practices by the Better Business Bureau and he won’t. The guy is still a snake. A snake with a silver cross and an American flag.

Chicago Tribune - My Pillow,’ the infomercial sensation, flunks out of Better Business Bureau

Obviously being victimized because of his outspoken Conservative views

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:40:14am

re: #224 Targetpractice

Patton is a perfect example of “falling upwards,” going from law school dropout to wedding planner to now member of the Trump administration. Thing is, she’s gonna find out after he leaves office that there’s a very hard glass ceiling.

I think all she was doing was protecting her high-paying job with Trump. She knows Trump, everyone does. And she knew if she would not appear in the hearing and stand up to be Meadow’s Black she would be out.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:41:06am

The fucking Trump humpers in Senator Warner and Kaine’s FB page acting like the Orangeshit head didn’t do what he did. God these people. How the fuck do they live?

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:42:48am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

How old is Scott? Want to say he’s presently 60-65.

Pretty damn close, Toxic Sludge Scott turned 66 back in December.

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Jay C  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:43:16am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

How old is Scott? Want to say he’s presently 60-65.

Richard Lynn Scott born 12.1.1952 (66)

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darthstar  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:43:56am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:44:08am

re: #317 Myron Falwell

Pretty damn close, Toxic Sludge Scott turned 66 back in December.

Yeah I felt he was older than my mother but younger than my father. He’s someone that can’t be underestimated after his two terms as FLA’s governor and now as FLA’s new Senator. Definitely a more tougher opponent than the Empty Suit senior senator from FLA who doesn’t want to be a Senator.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:44:45am

re: #318 Jay C

Richard Lynn Scott born 12.1.1952 (66)

Such youth the GOP has.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:46:04am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

Such youth the GOP has.

Such youth and diversity.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:46:11am

re: #319 darthstar

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I remember when he strutted around, all proud that they’d been built and trying to bullshit people into believing one of them would be the new future Great Wall of Trump.

Tens of millions of dollars wasted on a vanity project.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:48:02am

re: #290 lawhawk

It’s interesting to read through twitter threads that mention her. Eventually you get to the people who just post “She’s clueless” or “She doesn’t understand economics” or “Her numbers don’t add up.” And those lines are repeated in every thread, no matter what the topic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:48:21am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

TBH I think Bevin is a good bet.

LOfuckingL

not even in his most fevered wet dreams

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:48:23am

re: #323 Targetpractice

I remember when he strutted around, all proud that they’d been built and trying to bullshit people into believing one of them would be the new future Great Wall of Trump.

Tens of millions of dollars wasted on a vanity project.

And again here; if he had been at all serious (or competent) he would have appointed a planning commission on day one to present feasibility and engineering studies, environmental and legal impact statements, a proposed budget and timetable…

This coming from a man who told us that he has lots of experience in large-scale building projects…

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:48:30am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

I really hope they’re taking this seriously. I have no illusions that the replacement for Gaetz would be a Republican but he is so particularly odious.

But there is a greater problem. It was on display yesterday. I have a feeling that any new Republican congressperson elected is going to be another asshole. Look at that motley crew yesterday. Almost all of them are assholes that all talk the same FOX News shit.

This is The New Republican Party. Sad sacks all the way down. I don’t see it changing until it is a smoking rubble that can’t win an election.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:49:32am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

How old is Scott? Want to say he’s presently 60-65.

Not old enough. None of them are.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:50:11am

re: #327 ObserverArt

But there is a greater problem. It was on display yesterday. I have a feeling that any new Republican congressperson elected is going to be another asshole. Look at that motley crew yesterday. Almost all of them are assholes that all talk the same FOX News shit.

This is The New Republican Party. Sad sacks all the way down. I don’t see it changing until it is a smoking rubble that can’t win an election.

Yeah that’s very true. Bachmann is gone but then in came Gaetz. Ultimately you have to blame the GOP base. These are the people they want representing them.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:50:13am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

And yet these guys push the same stuff. I don’t know if Jacob and Charlie have ever actively cooperated together on anything but they’re part of the same sorry right wing grift machine that gave us people like O’Keefe.

I don’t know about Kirk, but I think Jacob Wohl is trying to argue something along the lines of Obi-wan Kenobi’s “You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend a great deal on your point of view”.

Now that’s an interesting philosophical debate, to be honest. I can look at that scene from ROTJ and I can understand where Kenobi is coming from….that the good man who was friend, his comrade-in-arms, a man he considered his brother, was metaphorically murdered by the evil man he became. Fair enough. He was also trying to shield Luke from the emotional and psychological burden of knowing that his father was basically cyborg space-Hitler. And again, I can understand that; I’m not saying it was right, but I get it.

But Wohl simply comes across as a wannabe edgelord, muttering half-baked nonsense that only makes him sound dumber than he already is.

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darthstar  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:51:38am

Love these comics. This one especially as I have a friend who likes to serve old wines (I will confess I’m a sucker for a ‘64 Barolo because that was the year I was born…and the 1865 Madeira is something everyone should try at least once).

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:52:15am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Remember when conservatives accused us of deifying Obama. They always do this shit. They did it with Bush and they did it with Reagan too. And I have no doubt that had McCain and Romney won, they would have been divinely chosen too. For the longest time, I never got how the religious right could worship an actor whose wife consulted an astrologer and who really didn’t know theology but after Trump, I see it clearly, the religious right will embrace anyone who kisses their asses.

It is simple Happy. You give the Evangelicals what they want, you are a gift from God…with all the excuses for your own behavior that goes with it.

It isn’t religion. It is pure political lobbying in the name of the Christian God.

And like Joe B always says, they need to be taxed.

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makeitstop  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:53:45am

re: #322 Myron Falwell

Such youth and diversity.

Hey, they’ve got old white guys in suits and old white guys in white shirts with their sleeves rolled up. What more do you want?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:53:48am

re: #330 Dr Lizardo

I don’t know about Kirk, but I think Jacob Wohl is trying to argue something along the lines of Obi-wan Kenobi’s “You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend a great deal on your point of view”.

Now that’s an interesting philosophical debate, to be honest. I can look at that scene from ROTJ and I can understand where Kenobi is coming from….that the good man who was friend, his comrade-in-arms, a man he considered his brother, was metaphorically murdered by the evil man he became. Fair enough. He was also trying to shield Luke from the emotional and psychological burden of knowing that his father was basically cyborg space-Hitler. And again, I can understand that; I’m not saying it was right, but I get it.

But Wohl simply comes across as a wannabe edgelord, muttering half-baked nonsense that only makes him sound dumber than he already is.

I have no idea. I think Wohl is trying to be deep and showing how shallow he is. I also don’t think Wohl is mature enough to understand the duality of human nature as you’re getting at.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:54:03am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And again here; if he had been at all serious (or competent) he would have appointed a planning commission on day one to present feasibility and engineering studies, environmental and legal impact statements, a proposed budget and timetable…

This coming from a man who told us that he has lots of experience in large-scale building projects…

I’d argue it wasn’t a lack of seriousness, it was equal parts ego (“I’m such a great builder!”) and haste (“I need to get this done before 2020!”). Such a commission would take to come up with a design, would be subject to criticism from all sides, and he final plan likely would have been impossible to move through Congress before 2020. So instead he did what he’s known for: He spun a bullshit “plan” that had no set figure or time scale and expected people to trust him because “he knows what he’s doing.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:54:08am

re: #332 ObserverArt

It is simple Happy. You give the Evangelicals what they want, you are a gift from God…with all the excuses for your own behavior that goes with it.

It isn’t religion. It is pure political lobbying in the name of the Christian God.

And like Joe B always says, they need to be taxed.

Yep as Joe says, tax the churches.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:55:07am

re: #333 makeitstop

Hey, they’ve got old white guys in suits and old white guys in white shirts with their sleeves rolled up. What more do you want?

///

They even got the Hispanic guy who looks like the Bay Area’s most famous serial killer! And the other Cuban guy who wants to be accepted so much by his xenophobic base that he throws immigrants like his parents under the bus for.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:55:51am

re: #332 ObserverArt

It is simple Happy. You give the Evangelicals what they want, you are a gift from God…with all the excuses for your own behavior that goes with it.

It isn’t religion. It is pure political lobbying in the name of the Christian God.

And like Joe B always says, they need to be taxed.

“Hate the sin, elect the sinner!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:57:29am

hmmmm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:59:05am

in Kentucky today:

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 8:59:59am

re: #273 Jay C

SRSLY.
I read some tweet from Jacob Wohl about how there’s no such thing as “reality” anymore (not sure if he’s just talking about the Internet, or in general: if the former, he’s not all wrong) - and here’s Charlie Kirk bitching about there being no “objectivity”, etc. Don’t these RWNJs ever check their notes to get on the same page re their bullshit? Or is the CPAC crowd just as likely to cheer their “heroes” regardless of what they say (as long as they can delude themselves into thinking that it “owns the libs)”??

Also, too: WTF is Seb Gorka gibbering on about “hamburgers” yet again? I’ve been trying to read up on the Green New Deal proposals, and nowhere - in among all the suggestions for technological and ecologically-sensitive development and carbon-reductive investment - is any suggestions of “taking away hamburgers” even mentioned in passing.

Baffoons.

“They” all know what that means. I think it started years ago about how cows are a big addition to global warming due to their flatulence.

So if we want a Green World, we won’t have cows anymore, they will be either illegal or because of taxes will be too expensive for ordinary Joe ‘merica.

It really is that simple.

Elephants never forget.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:00:52am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmmm

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She’s definitely throwing shade. She won’t admit it but she is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:02:49am
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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:03:43am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s very true. Bachmann is gone but then in came Gaetz. Ultimately you have to blame the GOP base. These are the people they want representing them.

These are the brainwashed Fox News watching “turned my dad into a zombie” folks.

We’ll never have a country or a functioning government again while the propaganda network exists. Never.

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Jay C  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:05:02am

re: #300 Targetpractice

That would be the reason. Same reason they think everything from burgers to cars to air travel to gasoline is about to be banned if the GND becomes a reality.

It may be less that they think “everything” is going to be “banned”; but that they want to implant that notion in the minds of their rube audience. Mainly because it reinforces the notion that anyone who might even think about the environment, or our society’s impact on it is a Luddite eco-freak hippie Commie who hates modernity, hates America, and won’t be satisfied til every person in the country is living in a field, in a yurt, by candlelight, and existing solely on a diet of soybeans and herb tea.
Forced veganism is, of course, found nowhere in the GND: but it’s a small step for the “rolling coal” demographic to believe it is. Because hippies….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:06:00am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:06:41am

re: #344 MsJ

These are the brainwashed Fox News watching “turned my dad into a zombie” folks.

We’ll never have a country or a functioning government again while the propaganda network exists. Never.

I still need to see that btw.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:07:32am

Yowza:

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:11:35am

re: #348 Targetpractice

Yowza is right.

I’m thinking PG&E is gonna be forking out some big bucks in settlements in the not-too-distant future.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:11:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:13:37am

oh

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:14:55am

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

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Perry is dumber than garlic too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:15:21am
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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:15:58am

re: #349 Dr Lizardo

Yowza is right.

I’m thinking PG&E is gonna be forking out some big bucks in settlements in the not-too-distant future.

This sucks. They are a good company, one that’s been saying for years that this was going to happen. No one listened. God damn it all.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:16:02am

I realize that people who never graduated college can be brilliant and successful — for example, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. But when the Republican party proclaims their future are those young dropouts like Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Jacob Wohl whose only accomplishments are being Internet trolls and owning the libs, they are in effect promoting an oligarchy controlled by the wealthy. The Koch brothers are not stupid — they really do want a future America with an ignorant uneducated population that believes whatever the elite dictate to them. For all that the RW mocks “sheeple”, they are the real sheeple, incapable of independent thought, who worship at the altar of rich.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:17:08am

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is really stupid even for a CPAC speech. These dumbasses always say a little by saying a lot. They really are blissfully convinced that they can continue eating like pigs and that ti won’t impact the environment at all. Meadows is a shameful piece of rancid racist shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:17:54am

jeebus

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:18:23am

re: #355 Hecuba’s daughter

I realize that people who never graduated college can be brilliant and successful — for example, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. But when the Republican party proclaims their future are those young dropouts like Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Jacob Wohl whose only accomplishments are being Internet trolls and owning the libs, they are in effect promoting an oligarchy controlled by the wealthy. The Koch brothers are not stupid — they really do want a future America with an ignorant uneducated population that believes whatever the elite dictate to them. For all that the RW mocks “sheeple”, they are the real sheeple, incapable of independent thought, who worship at the altar of rich.

Gates built the Operating System and Zuckerberg built the social media page. Those three? They’re as you say a bunch of internet trolls who get paid by men old enough to be their grandfathers to shill out lame talking points.

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bd (Emergency!)  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:19:12am

How much did this useless “summit” stunt cost us?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:19:13am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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Read Gideon vs Wainwright, Clarence. God what a fucking disgrace.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:19:24am

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Philly I have a $50 electric bill, a $40 gas bill and $200 telecommunication bill (I have a land line, cell phone and fiber optic internet). My water bill is $100. Out of all those monthly bills the water bill is the one that I am trying to lower but to no avail.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:20:43am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

If or when we take back the Senate in 2020, Thomas is gonna have to be impeached and removed from the bench.

Maybe Kavanaugh as well. I know the RW’ers will scream bloody murder but you what?

Fuck ‘em.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:20:54am

re: #359 bd (Emergency!)

How much did this useless “summit” stunt cost us?

Probably less than an Obama vacation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:21:15am

re: #350 DodgerFan1988

When gun fanatics say they need AR-15s to “defend against government tyranny,” they’re really saying if the democratic process doesn’t go their way they will resort to terrorism and violence.

You have a constitutional process for getting your way. Vote. I implore you to use it.

Second Amendment Solutions!!!

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:21:26am

re: #354 MsJ

This sucks. They are a good company, one that’s been saying for years that this was going to happen. No one listened. God damn it all.

PG&E is a good company? They are the organization unmasked by Erin Brockovich as poisoning a whole community.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:21:57am

re: #362 Dr Lizardo

If or when we take back the Senate in 2020, Thomas is gonna have to be impeached and removed from the bench.

Maybe Kavanaugh as well. I know the RW’ers will scream bloody murder but you what?

Fuck ‘em.

I think you’d have a better shot at Kavanaugh. That said, the stuff Thomas is talking about trying to overturn precedent on scares the shit out of me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:22:30am

On the MyPillow website you can by a Mike Lindell life size cardboard cutout and Mike Lindell Bobblehads.

Say what you will about Wal-Mart, but they aren’t selling stuffed Sam Walton dolls or similar nonsense.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:23:05am

re: #285 Ace-o-aces

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A lot of people thought Dan Crenshaw was going to be a decent Republican House Rep because he went on Saturday Night Live and forgave Pete Davidson and then joked around.

Ha. Fuck that. As I was saying earlier, this is the new younger GOP congressperson. You have to be an ass or you will never get elected.

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CongoJack  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:23:46am

re: #354 MsJ

This sucks. They are a good company, one that’s been saying for years that this was going to happen. No one listened. God damn it all.

I don’t know about “good company” - they were the ones that were poisoning people a few years back - Erin Brochovich movie was based on this. They had their own profits to minimize the issue. It was the broken power line that caused the fire.

And no one is getting money from them… they filed for bankruptcy:
fortune.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:23:48am

re: #367 Eclectic Cyborg

On the MyPillow website you can by a Mike Lindell life size cardboard cutout and Mike Lindell Bobblehads.

Say what you will about Wal-Mart, but they aren’t selling stuffed Sam Walton dolls or similar nonsense.

Why the hell would anyone want a life size cut out or bobblehead of a pillow salesman? Gotta grift somehow I guess though.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:24:27am

re: #367 Eclectic Cyborg

I have bought pillows on sale for $9.99 each when they normally run $20. Who has this sale? Bloomingdale’s.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:24:58am

re: #368 ObserverArt

A lot of people thought Dan Crenshaw was going to be a decent Republican House Rep because he went on Saturday Night Live and forgave Pete Davidson and then joked around.

Ha. Fuck that. As I was saying earlier, this is the new younger GOP congressperson. You have to be an ass or you will never get elected.

Yep. I gotta admit. I thought Crenshaw was a good sport about it and saw some of his prior statements about immigration and thought he may be somewhat reasonable. Nope. Same old Republican shit. Yeah he’s a vet but he’s also going to endorse the same fucker who disrespects any veteran who doesn’t kiss his orange ass.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:29:43am

re: #365 Hecuba’s daughter

PG&E is a good company? They are the organization unmasked by Erin Brockovich as poisoning a whole community.

What year was that?

I am not saying they always were but I work with them and I think they try to do the right thing.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:30:44am

re: #373 MsJ

What year was that?

I am not saying they always were but I work with them and I think they try to do the right thing.

Or perhaps I need to rephrase that the people *I* work with try to do the right thing.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:33:43am

re: #349 Dr Lizardo

Yowza is right.

I’m thinking PG&E is gonna be forking out some big bucks in settlements in the not-too-distant future.

They have already filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy .

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:33:56am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmmm

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I sure would love to hear some tales from Darling Nikki.

She got out because she knows what she was dealing with. I do not like her, but she does know Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:34:01am
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wrenchwench  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:35:47am
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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:36:04am

re: #362 Dr Lizardo

If or when we take back the Senate in 2020, Thomas is gonna have to be impeached and removed from the bench.

Maybe Kavanaugh as well. I know the RW’ers will scream bloody murder but you what?

Fuck ‘em.

And appoint two liberals to make it a 6-5 court.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:36:11am

re: #368 ObserverArt

A lot of people thought Dan Crenshaw was going to be a decent Republican House Rep because he went on Saturday Night Live and forgave Pete Davidson and then joked around.

Ha. Fuck that. As I was saying earlier, this is the new younger GOP congressperson. You have to be an ass or you will never get elected.

I had real hopes for him because he showed such grace on SNL and, unlike chickenhawks, served bravely and sacrificed for our nation. But becoming a Republican in the modern age means abandoning independent thought and empathy and worshiping at the altar of Ayn Rand.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:36:39am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How soon before we see Big Don asking for that same type of motorcade?

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Myron Falwell  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:39:38am

re: #369 CongoJack

And no one is getting money from them… they filed for bankruptcy:
fortune.com

Yep. And now it’s obvious that bankruptcy was as intentional as you can get.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:40:41am

Thanks, Fark:

CPAC Day 1: Charlie Kirk is the future of the GOP. No really, stop laughing. Or crying

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:41:18am

😎

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:41:39am

So, a Star Wars theme park where you can choose what faction you want to belong to, and do activities in support of said faction…and the staff will interact with you based on your faction status…

*books lifetime pass*

How Galaxy’s Edge Connects With Episode IX and the Larger Universe

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:42:56am

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Plus one for Cory here.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:43:53am

re: #382 Myron Falwell

Yep. And now it’s obvious that bankruptcy was as intentional as you can get.

I remember one of those “fake documentaries” about what the world would have been like had the great earthquake happened on the San Andreas fault. One of the things they talked about was that it was such a large even that it nearly collapsed the entire US insurance market. The government had to step in and own it.

I think this nearly falls into that. It sounds like it was the ultimate combination of thigns, and there’s no way a single company, or their insurers, is going to be able to compensate for this.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:44:10am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:44:22am

re: #380 Hecuba’s daughter

I had real hopes for him because he showed such grace on SNL and, unlike chickenhawks, served bravely and sacrificed for our nation. But becoming a Republican in the modern age means abandoning independent thought and empathy and worshiping at the altar of Ayn Rand.

Right. And honestly I just don’t know how you can be an a vet and active Republican in the age of Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:44:42am

re: #388 MsJ

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Oh damn.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:44:49am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

Plus one for Cory here.

Fox spin: so he wants to force us all to get stoned but is going initiate White Castle genocide

Because for Liberals, everything that is not forbidden is mandatory!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:44:53am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:45:04am

re: #388 MsJ

Damn…if that doesn’t say it all.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:47:01am

re: #385 Sufficient unto the day…

So, a Star Wars theme park where you can choose what faction you want to belong to, and do activities in support of said faction…and the staff will interact with you based on your faction status…

*books lifetime pass*

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I wonder if they’d get pissed if I kept asking the leader of the first order if I could meet Hermione Granger (yes, that is some very goofy crossing in and out of movie references).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:47:29am

re: #391 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Fox spin: so he wants to force us all to get stoned but is going initiate White Castle genocide

Because for Liberals, everything that is not forbidden is mandatory!!!

Who gives a shit what Fox says?

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:48:29am
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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:48:40am

re: #395 HappyWarrior

Who gives a shit what Fox says?

Millions of Americans.

Way way way too many Americans.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:51:04am

re: #387 Belafon

I’ve seen it mentioned that a Cascadia megathrust earthquake in the Pacific Northwest would probably bankrupt the insurance industry and the US government would likely have to step in, either with a bailout or taking over directly.

The property damages alone would be on the order of several hundred billion dollars and it was noted by the Oregon Resilience Plan that, “”The interruption of normal economic activity could generate such huge costs that the region may never fully recover”; that’s not even addressing a most likely depopulation scenario, where the survivors would flee the region basically as refugees, probably never to return.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:51:28am

re: #397 MsJ

Millions of Americans.

Way way way too many Americans.

True but Americans are more legalization friendly than ever. Booker is capable of articulating why legalization is a good idea far more than Trump is for the status quo.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:51:58am

re: #395 HappyWarrior

Who gives a shit what Fox says?

ask Ylvis

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:52:03am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:52:52am

re: #395 HappyWarrior

Who gives a shit what Fox says?

They are really big on Liberals wanting to ban hamburgers these days and CB has been accused of militant vegetarianism

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:53:32am

re: #265 lawhawk

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Looks like the


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Belafon  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:53:59am

re: #401 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, forget about that little part of the Korean peninsula under our protection.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:54:28am

re: #403 Eventual Carrion

Looks like the

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has dropped

Is that the image he used at the UN?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:56:04am

re: #396 lawhawk

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Oh I see Mark. So you were an opportunistic racist. That’s so much better!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:56:24am

re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are really big on Liberals wanting to ban hamburgers these days and CB has been accused of militant vegetarianism

Again. IDAF. They’re losing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:57:32am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 9:58:06am

And accused of militants veganism by people who thought Mrs. Obama was being awful by encouraging people not to eat like pigs. Consider the source.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:01:30am

The noxious My Pillow guy always wears a prominent silver crucifix in his commercials. He knows the drill.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:01:47am

I think most Americans will be fine with Booker not eating meat. Despite what FNC thinks, most Americans who eat meat are more mature than Jordan Peterson is towards people with dietary differences.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:05:55am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Jordan Peterson…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:07:42am

re: #412 Sufficient unto the day…

Speaking of Jordan Peterson…

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That’s exactly why I brought up that man child and his weird diet.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:09:09am

This is both a warning and challenge.

This map needs to turn blue.

Do not take anything for granted.

Do not assume voters will remember what happened this week. Do not assume voters will care. Do not assume that the Never Trumps will vote for the Democratic party candidate. Do not assume that ratfuckers will be thwarted. Do not assume that Russia or China will be thwarted by counter cyberops.

The only way to defeat the GOP is at the polls, which means getting out the vote.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:09:17am

re: #236 Targetpractice

And when Trump gets run out of office, the next Republican will be “chosen by God.” Because their deity is a fickle sonovabitch who keeps anointing and then abandoning his “chosen” on a fucking whim.

Strangely, God told every candidate for the GOP nomination in 2012 to run; you’d think that God wouldn’t be so fickle and indecisive.

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CongoJack  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:11:05am

Just going to drop this here… behind clicky.
Open at your own risk

Click to Reveal
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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:11:09am

re: #415 NO SMOCKING GUN!

God’s playing with dice? / Einstein

Why does God need a political campaign? /Star Trek

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retired cynic  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:14:10am

Some very beautiful photography! “Mountainwaves” by Kevin Krautgartner

instagram.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:16:40am

re: #414 lawhawk

This is both a warning and challenge.

This map needs to turn blue.

Do not take anything for granted.

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Do not assume voters will remember what happened this week. Do not assume voters will care. Do not assume that the Never Trumps will vote for the Democratic party candidate. Do not assume that ratfuckers will be thwarted. Do not assume that Russia or China will be thwarted by counter cyberops.

The only way to defeat the GOP is at the polls, which means getting out the vote.

Yeah it’s not going to be easy. I wish it were but it’s not.

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Man, DangerMan  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:17:02am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

I think most Americans will be fine with Booker not eating meat. Despite what FNC thinks, most Americans who eat meat are more mature than Jordan Peterson is towards people with dietary differences.

just dropped in for a bit and saw this

i didnt even know it was a thing

i think most americans (with a brain) are fine as long as they aren’t told what to eat or not eat

Mrs. Obama, nor the admin ever dictated what anyone should or shouldnt do

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sagehen  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:18:47am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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“In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.”

—Anatole France

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:19:02am

re: #420 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

just dropped in for a bit and saw this

i didnt even know it was a thing

i think most americans (with a brain) are fine as long as they aren’t told what to eat or not eat

Mrs. Obama, nor the admin ever dictated what anyone should or shouldnt do

You don’t remember the freak outs over Michelle’s better nutrition initiatives? And yeah I think most people will see Booker is a vegan and go “Oh that’s different, I know a vegan.” The Trump campaign thinks it can make it an issue but it really isn’t. And I think Americans would see it won’t be an issue when they see the fit, athletic Booker versus Trump who looks like he hasn’t been able to touch his toes in decades.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:21:16am

re: #422 HappyWarrior

Forget touching his toes, he looks like he can’t even touch his dick.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:22:19am

re: #423 Sufficient unto the day…

Forget touching his toes, he looks like he can’t even touch his dick.

Heh I was trying to be G rated there. But yeah let’s see Trump talk about his superior “stamina” with Booker next to him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:23:19am

re: #422 HappyWarrior

You don’t remember the freak outs over Michelle’s better nutrition initiatives? And yeah I think most people will see Booker is a vegan and go “Oh that’s different, I know a vegan.” The Trump campaign thinks it can make it an issue but it really isn’t. And I think Americans would see it won’t be an issue when they see the fit, athletic Booker versus Trump who looks like he hasn’t been able to touch his toes in decades.

Most people? I dunno. I suspect there are a lot of people who would add “Vegan” and “Black” and come up with “Not Real American”.

I mean, for chrissakes, there was a kerfuffle about Obama ordering Dijon mustard with a burger, when everyone knows that yellow crap from French’s is tasteless and horrible.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:25:17am

re: #425 Blind Frog Belly White

Most people? I dunno. I suspect there are a lot of people who would add “Vegan” and “Black” and come up with “Not Real American”.

I mean, for chrissakes, there was a kerfuffle about Obama ordering Dijon mustard with a burger, when everyone knows that yellow crap from French’s is tasteless and horrible.

But remember that Obama is the first President since Reagan to get over 50% of the vote twice. I’m not saying people wouldn’t freak out but I don’t think it would be an as big of an issue as the FNC crowd would want to make it. If Booker can and I’m sure he will explain it reasonably, people will get it. And the people who won’t get it weren’t going to vote for him or anyone against Trump anyhow IMO.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:27:54am

re: #414 lawhawk

This is both a warning and challenge.

This map needs to turn blue.

Do not take anything for granted.

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Do not assume voters will remember what happened this week. Do not assume voters will care. Do not assume that the Never Trumps will vote for the Democratic party candidate. Do not assume that ratfuckers will be thwarted. Do not assume that Russia or China will be thwarted by counter cyberops.

The only way to defeat the GOP is at the polls, which means getting out the vote.

I propose that we sell the states that were part of the original Louisiana Purchase back to France.

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ckkatz  Feb 28, 2019 • 10:28:55am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

I have no idea. I think Wohl is trying to be deep and showing how shallow he is. I also don’t think Wohl is mature enough to understand the duality of human nature as you’re getting at.

What I heard was a really immature and poorly understood attempt at PostModerism and Moral Relativism. That is, that there is no one truth. Which is amusing because a major claim of this gang is that there is one truth and they are its owners.

Moral relativism may be any of several philosophical positions concerned with the differences in moral judgments across different people and cultures. Descriptive moral relativism holds only that some people do in fact disagree about what is moral; meta-ethical moral relativism holds that in such disagreements, nobody is objectively right or wrong; and normative moral relativism holds that because nobody is right or wrong, we ought to tolerate the behavior of others even when we disagree about the morality of it.

Wiki Article on Moral Relativism

Salient features of postmodernism are normally thought to include the ironic play with styles, citations and narrative levels, a metaphysical skepticism or nihilism towards a “grand narrative” of Western culture, a preference for the virtual at the expense of the Real (or more accurately, a fundamental questioning of what ‘the real’ constitutes)…

Wiki Article on PostModernism

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 28, 2019 • 11:01:38am

re: #405 Belafon

Is that the image he used at the UN?

Close enough

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darthstar  Feb 28, 2019 • 11:01:58am

Hivemind time - My wifi router (Belkin) died. I have an old 2.4ghz TP link I have hooked up for the moment, but wondered if you all had any suggestions for which WiFi mesh system I should go with since I’m upgrading anyway.

I did buy an Arris Surfboard modem this morning to replace the old Comcast/Xfinity modem that I’ve been paying rent on for 10 years.

Anyhoo…let me know what I should look at - Luma, WavLink, Dlink, Tenda Nova are the least expensive options - Eerio, Google, Linksys, TP, Netgear run a bit more…do I need to spend the money?

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2019 • 11:31:21am

re: #410 Barefoot Grin

The noxious My Pillow guy always wears a prominent silver crucifix in his commercials. He knows the drill.

That’s just to prove he’s not a vampire.

Which he is.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 28, 2019 • 12:26:57pm

re: #250 Dr. Matt

The GOP have been literally worshipping Raygun for over three decades. Sick fucks.

My insataunt had an altar with Reagan’s picture in the center.

She ACTUALLY prayed to Reagan because her Pulpit Pimp Preacher said it was OK!


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