Seth Meyers Attic Sessions: Trump Ignored Coronavirus Warnings; Pence Refused to Wear a Mask

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teleskiguy  Apr 29, 2020 • 8:46:40pm

I know I know. Don’t get happy. Still… Fuckface Von Clownstick loses Texas, it’s game over for him.

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teleskiguy  Apr 29, 2020 • 8:50:43pm
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Belafon  Apr 29, 2020 • 8:51:35pm
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SerialUpDinger  Apr 29, 2020 • 8:59:30pm

Mites on Mullia

So small that I did not notice them through the viewfinder. On my screen at home, I thought they were ticks. A browse through the insect book suggested they were Concrete Mites. Fat blood red bugs no bigger than the space in the middle of the letter “O”.

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gocart mozart  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:03:08pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:06:22pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:09:53pm

His Twitter spew has been all about Michael Flynn for three hours now.

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makeitstop  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:10:29pm

re: #6 gocart mozart

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That band so cooks.

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teleskiguy  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:22:38pm

He posted this then erased it.

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teleskiguy  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:24:44pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

OK, there it is. What a fuckhead.

Twitter’s been hinkey lately. Anyone else notice?

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teleskiguy  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:25:53pm

I can’t fucking believe this is real.

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Targetpractice  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:34:58pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

His Twitter spew has been all about Michael Flynn for three hours now.

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He’s gonna pardon Flynn. Faux had dropped the story for a bit and thus Donny lost interest, but they got Moones back in front of the cameras, spinning tales about how Flynn was “railroaded” by corrupt investigators and Leningrad Lindsey accusing Obama of deliberately going after Flynn to get at Trump.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:36:14pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

Thrown off network news like a dog?

That makes no sense.

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jaunte  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:38:29pm
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Jack Burton  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:39:31pm

I don’t understand all these people on Twitter that think Justin Amash running will help Trump win…

They do realize he’s a far right wacko running as a Libertarian, don’t they?

He’s going to take votes away from Trump, not Biden.

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Belafon  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:43:07pm

re: #15 Jack Burton

I don’t understand all these people on Twitter that think Justin Amash running will help Trump win…

They do realize he’s a far right wacko running as a Libertarian, don’t they?

He’s going to take votes away from Trump, not Biden.

I think they think that there are people who were going to vote for Biden because there wasn’t a better Republican choice. I disagree with that, though. The people who might vote for Amash were never going to vote for Biden. They would have ultimately found a reason to vote for Trump.

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teleskiguy  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:46:20pm
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jaunte  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:47:55pm
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mmmirele  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:51:03pm

re: #16 Belafon

I think they think that there are people who were going to vote for Biden because there wasn’t a better Republican choice. I disagree with that, though. The people who might vote for Amash were never going to vote for Biden. They would have ultimately found a reason to vote for Trump.

I had to mute someone I otherwise like because she was all “there’s no difference between Biden and Trump, they’re both sexual abusers.” I can’t, I just can’t.

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Rightwingconspirator  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:53:43pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

If Texas is even slightly upside down against Trump, Ohio must be good for us this time.

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teleskiguy  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:54:32pm

Goddamnit.

Why is he all of a sudden all hung up on Brian Williams?

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jaunte  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:55:34pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

I have hopes, but…

The poll also found that 58 percent of Texas voters surveyed said they approve of Gov. Greg Abbott’s (R) job performance and just 30 percent said they disapprove.

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Dread Pirate  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:55:57pm

re: #20 Rightwingconspirator

If Texas is even slightly upside down against Trump, Ohio must be good for us this time.

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Dread Pirate  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:57:27pm

oh, that was Ohio polling.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 29, 2020 • 9:58:31pm

Morning, all.

In the previous thread, Trump’s magical thinking is highlighted. But remember, Trump is a big believer in Dr. N.V. Peale’s “power of positive thinking”; indeed, Trump attended Dr. Peale’s church (Marble Collegiate Church) when he was growing up and married his first wife Ivana at that church and Trump has cited Dr. Peale as a strong influence in his life.

Dr. Peale’s hypothesis is basically a type of self-hypnosis, a regimen of self-hypnosis that defeats self-motivation, a person’s sense of reality, and their ability to think critically. Dr. Peale’s understanding of the human mind is utterly simplistic and false.

I’m not suggesting for one second that people should be negative or pessimistic. But Dr. Peale’s ideas are pretty much woowoo wrapped up in boosterism.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:01:25pm

re: #21 teleskiguy

Goddamnit.

Why is he all of a sudden all hung up on Brian Williams?

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I didn’t know he watched MSDNC (😂), but he must have seen The 11th Hour. In which Williams talked about DT’s failings regarding testing, etc., and his bad poll numbers.

“Fired like a dog.” How do you fire a dog?

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jaunte  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:03:47pm

re: #26 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Lost Norman Vincent Peale pamphlet: The Power Of Positively Firing Someone Like A Dog.

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Belafon  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:07:06pm

re: #22 jaunte

I have hopes, but…

I get the impression that Abbott thinks he can kill off a few more people here before things go bad for him.

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Dread Pirate  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:08:36pm

re: #25 Dr Lizardo

Back in the 70-80’s a lot of companies sent their employees to Erhard Seminars Training, EST. You could see a weird change in the eyes of its graduates. It led to a lot of overconfident nutjobs running companies into the ground. We used to call them ESTholes.

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jaunte  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:14:32pm
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thecommodore  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:16:30pm

re: #29 Dread Pirate

Back in the 70-80’s a lot of companies sent their employees to Erhard Seminars Training, EST. You could see a weird change in the eyes of its graduates. It led to a lot of overconfident nutjobs running companies into the ground. We used to call them ESTholes.

I know of what you speak. I am a recovering esthole.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:16:41pm

re: #29 Dread Pirate

Back in the 70-80’s a lot of companies sent their employees to Erhard Seminars Training, EST. You could see a weird change in the eyes of its graduates. It led to a lot of overconfident nutjobs running companies into the ground. We used to call them ESTholes.

IIRC, the late 1970s film adaptation of Semi-Tough satirized EST and other woowoo of the era. I saw it once many years ago and thought it was pretty good at poking fun at all that kind of nonsense.

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thecommodore  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:21:53pm

re: #32 Dr Lizardo

IIRC, the late 1970s film adaptation of Semi-Tough satirized EST and other woowoo of the era. I saw it once many years ago and thought it was pretty good at poking fun at all that kind of nonsense.

This is it right here. It is chillingly accurate.

I also thought it was hilarious that the leader was played by Bert Convy, who hosted numerous game shows in the 60’s and 70’s.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:29:27pm

re: #33 thecommodore

This is it right here. It is chillingly accurate.

I also thought it was hilarious that the leader was played by Bert Convy, who hosted numerous game shows in the 60’s and 70’s.

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It’s been so long since I’ve seen that, but yeah, Bert Convy was terrific. And it nicely sends up the era as well. If nothing else, the film is a good time capsule, a look into a unique moment of Americana.

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Targetpractice  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:32:59pm

re: #30 jaunte

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It’s pure cargo cult horseshit: Create the illusion of a “recovery” and a real recovery is bound to happen.

The reality instead will be that new case numbers spike, leading to an even bigger panic as the tepid “reopening” is viewed (rightly) as having been too soon and too large, and no measures short of martial force will budge people from their homes.

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Dread Pirate  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:47:37pm

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:51:56pm

re: #36 Dread Pirate

Some needs to take a “microscope and tweezers” look at Tara. I suspect that if we look at this diligently enough, we’ll find the shadowy hand of the GOP behind it. It looks like straight-up, old-school ratfucking.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:52:17pm

re: #16 Belafon

I think they think that there are people who were going to vote for Biden because there wasn’t a better Republican choice. I disagree with that, though. The people who might vote for Amash were never going to vote for Biden. They would have ultimately found a reason to vote for Trump.

Exhibit “A”—Dark Falcon…CENSORED him after what he said about my son. I will never forgive him.

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thecommodore  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:54:22pm

re: #23 Dread Pirate

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This is a very rough estimate of what the electoral college looks like right now, based on RCP data, and the article posted earlier about Biden’s slim lead in Texas. I’m sure Nate Silver will have much more reliable data pretty soon.

That said, Biden is also within striking distance in North Carolina and Iowa. Going way out on a limb, maybe even Georgia, given how well Stacey Abrams did there in 2018, and the possible disaster of Brian Kemp re-opening the state prematurely (I’d hate for that to be the reason Biden would win the state, but that has to be factored in).

With all that said, yes, it’s early.

And yes, it also looked very bad for Trump in 2016 on more than one occasion, and he still won. My take on that is that Clinton let him back into the race because she didn’t take him seriously enough as a candidate - she correctly paid attention to how unfit he is, but didn’t spend enough time on her own platform. Perhaps because, like many of us, she thought the GOP had shit the bed by nominating Trump and she could cruise. That, and of course, “her emails,” Comey, sexism, the Russians, etc etc etc.

That’s why Biden has to fucking NAPALM Trump the way LBJ did to Goldwater. Campaign like he’s five points behind even if he’s up by ten. Just deliver as much of an electoral curb-stomping as he can. Make them fucking pay for the way they have enabled/collaborated with him. Devastate them to the point where even the Kochs save them. Thing is, I don’t think Biden has the killer instinct LBJ had, which is why even if he does win, I’ll still be very worried about the GOP, because they have Pence, Leningrad Lindsey, Cruz, and young guns like Cotton working their way through the minors.

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Targetpractice  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:55:12pm

re: #37 Dr Lizardo

Some needs to take a “microscope and tweezers” look at Tara. I suspect that if we look at this diligently enough, we’ll find the shadowy hand of the GOP behind it. It looks like straight-up, old-school ratfucking.

The digging has been going on for awhile, work that the media would have done is they honestly wanted to evaluate Reade’s credibility versus jumping aboard another “BSAB” bandwagon tour.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:56:41pm

Link this to every fucking Republican. Every last one of them!

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thecommodore  Apr 29, 2020 • 10:58:08pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

The digging has been going on for awhile, work that the media would have done is they honestly wanted to evaluate Reade’s credibility versus jumping aboard another “BSAB” bandwagon tour.

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Jane Mayer detailed what they did to Franken.

npr.org

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 29, 2020 • 11:03:50pm

re: #39 thecommodore

This is a very rough estimate of what the electoral college looks like right now, based on RCP data, and the article posted earlier about Biden’s slim lead in Texas. I’m sure Nate Silver will have much more reliable data pretty soon.

That said, Biden is also within striking distance in North Carolina and Iowa. Going way out on a limb, maybe even Georgia, given how well Stacey Abrams did there in 2018, and the possible disaster of Brian Kemp re-opening the state prematurely (I’d hate for that to be the reason Biden would win the state, but that has to be factored in).

With all that said, yes, it’s early.

And yes, it also looked very bad for Trump in 2016 on more than one occasion, and he still won. My take on that is that Clinton let him back into the race because she didn’t take him seriously enough as a candidate - she correctly paid attention to how unfit he is, but didn’t spend enough time on her own platform. Perhaps because, like many of us, she thought the GOP had shit the bed by nominating Trump and she could cruise. That, and of course, “her emails,” Comey, sexism, the Russians, etc etc etc.

That’s why Biden has to NAPALM Trump the way LBJ did to Goldwater. Campaign like he’s five points behind even if he’s up by ten. Just deliver as much of an electoral curb-stomping as he can. Make them fucking pay for the way they have enabled/collaborated with him. Devastate them to the point where even the Kochs save them. Thing is, I don’t think Biden has the killer instinct LBJ had, which is why even if he does win, I’ll still be very worried about the GOP, because they have Pence, Leningrad Lindsey, Cruz, and young guns like Cotton working their way through the minors.

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I’m looking at that map and based on the data I’m looking at I’d move Iowa to leaning Biden. I also can see Alaska, Montana and Kansas (!) as tossups based on how the Republicans fucked up at the state level especially in Kansas and Alaska!

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 29, 2020 • 11:14:35pm

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

Trump’s also likely pissed about internal polling that shows him losing to Biden, at least if the election were held today.

washingtonpost.com

Trump’s worst nightmare is losing, then being arrested come January 20, 2021. I imagine he’ll boogie off to Florida and try to fight extradition to New York, where there’s very likely to be charges facing him once he’s no longer POTUS. And if his effort to fight extradition to NY fails, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him try to hop it to Russia, where he wouldn’t need to worry about extradition back to the US.

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Targetpractice  Apr 29, 2020 • 11:17:25pm

So now that the D.C. PD put the kibosh on Reade’s “criminal complaint,” an act that has Berners and MAGAts alike seething with anger because of a “cover-up,” I wonder if any of the corporate media will bother to give them a ring and ask why the case was closed. Certainly they loved to make a point that it was “on-going” before the announcement yesterday.

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Cheechako  Apr 29, 2020 • 11:25:00pm

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m looking at that map and based on the data I’m looking at I’d move Iowa to leaning Biden. I also can see Alaska, Montana and Kansas (!) as tossups based on how the Republicans fucked up at the state level especially in Kansas and Alaska!

Right now I would put Alaska in the toss-up category. With oil prices taking a dive, the State is sinking like the Titanic. Our R Governor Dunlevy is desprately shuffling the state budget to use the recovery $’s to cover a hugh shortfall. We may have lot of $’s in our permanemt fund but they can’t be spent without a vote of the citizens. Plus, the permnent fund dropped about $8 billion dollars in the past 3 months.

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Dread Pirate  Apr 29, 2020 • 11:25:21pm
Click to Reveal

If you can’t find anything to watch on TV try CalTrans Live.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 29, 2020 • 11:25:45pm
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DodgerFan1988  Apr 29, 2020 • 11:29:33pm
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Dread Pirate  Apr 29, 2020 • 11:34:49pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 29, 2020 • 11:35:33pm

What’s funny is, when I was a kid, I used to gobble up books about UFOs, cryptids, government conspiracies, and the paranormal. Probably helped that I grew up in that period of the late 80s and early 90s when shows like Unsolved Mysteries, Sightings, and Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction were all the rage. Then came The X-Files and suddenly everybody was interested for a time in the idea of aliens, government cover-ups, and how hot Gillian Anderson was…okay, maybe everybody wasn’t interested in that last one.

What really killed the conspiracy theorist part of me and began fashioning me into the cynical bastard you know and love was…9/11. More specifically the “Truther” movement and the reality that as deep as I might have been into the culture, there were people who were on a whole ‘nother level. The real tipping point for me was discussing it one day with a Truther and bringing up the issue of what happened to the passengers of the four jets. “Taken a secret facility and murdered to cover up the truth” was not an answer I was willing to accept, no matter how depraved or secretive the government is.

I still find the culture fascinating and believe there’s more out there than we really can grasp. But I’ve seen too many people who ruined their lives pursuing this stuff to ever give it more than mild interest.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 29, 2020 • 11:39:33pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

I grew up in the “Golden Age of Woowoo”, the mid-to-late 1970s, where you’d find films like this in cinemas:

Overlords of the UFO—Full Length documentary from 1976—BANNED and SUPRESSED.

and while I did find it quite interesting as a kid, as I matured, I put it aside.

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SteelPH  Apr 29, 2020 • 11:42:03pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 29, 2020 • 11:54:51pm

re: #3 Belafon

Just in case you can’t see what’s happening, they’re taking all of trump’s negatives and projecting them onto Biden so that Ds can’t use trump’s corruption, nepotism, history of sexual assault, connection to China (?), and trump’s dementia against him.]

They’re trying to create an image of “there’s no real difference between these two rich, old white rapists” to get as many people as possible to just stay home on election day.

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teleskiguy  Apr 29, 2020 • 11:55:10pm

re: #53 SteelPH

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Dread Pirate  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:02:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:18:14am

re: #32 Dr Lizardo

IIRC, the late 1970s film adaptation of Semi-Tough satirized EST and other woowoo of the era. I saw it once many years ago and thought it was pretty good at poking fun at all that kind of nonsense.

Don’t set me free, I’m as heavy as can be
Just my Librium and me
And my E.S.T. makes three

-David Bowie, All the Madmen

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:25:46am

re: #16 Dread Pirate

Flip phone libelz. Not all of us who own flip phones are Luddites.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:27:27am

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Flip phone libelz. Not all of us who own flip phones are Luddites.

Kosher phones.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:29:33am

Correct. That’s not up to a federal judge.

What is up to a federal judge is if the state followed the Constitution in doing so.

Conservatives sure love them some “activist judges” when it’s about minority rights, women’s rights, &c though.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:30:20am

So the analysts at the Czech branch of Raiffeisenbank are forecasting the following for the Czech Republic.
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An overall decline of the EU economy by about 6.5% and the slow easing of restrictions will return the Czech economy to the level of 2014. We now expect a full-year decline of Czech GDP of around 7.6%: The second wave of the pandemic, should it materialize, threatens to deepen the economic downturn to over 9%.

It will be very difficult, if not impossible, to return to the original growth trajectory.

Compared to the Czech Republic’s pre-crisis trajectory, we now forecast a decline in the standard of living by 10% to 12%.

The COVID-19 crisis will likely deprive the Czech Republic of 270 thousand to 340 thousand jobs and significantly slow down wage growth.
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Ouch. That’s gonna hurt. And while 270,000 to 340,000 jobs lost may not sound like much, bear in mind that the labor force here is ~5.3 million people out of a population of 10 million.

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Jack Burton  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:34:43am

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Flip phone libelz. Not all of us who own flip phones are Luddites.

“I’m sorry. Are you from the past?”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:38:59am

Breaking local news. My wife just ordered a bunch of Carolina Reaper hot sauce and salsas, ghost pepper hot sauce, and a spice keychain filled with Carolina Reaper ground powder, and Trinidad Scorpion hot sauce.

The company she chose to purchase hot sauces from is because they offer the Post Office as a choice for delivery.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:44:50am

Nebraska still climbing whilst the state still barrels on to “business as usual”:

New tests: 26
Total tests: 25,498
Total positive: 3,784 (+424 since yesterday)
Total deaths: 68 (+13)
nebraska.maps.arcgis.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:45:21am

re: #51 Targetpractice

When I was in my teens I too used to read all sorts of fringe stuff. This was before your time, but books about Lemuria, the lost continent sunk in the Pacific, caught my eye.

Ironically, geologists today do believe there was another continent in the Pacific, that it subducted under North America, and that is how we got the Cascades. All that is left of the Farallon plate is off the coasts of those states, outlined by undersea fault lines.

Back in those days, in the back of comics there used to be adverts for all kinds of stuff through the mail. Included in these ads were bundles of books which were cheaply printed paperback “forbidden” books, full of stuff like Rosicrucian pamphlets, etc. I ordered some of those package, remember getting them and being thoroughly disappointed.

Fortunately I was also into hard science, and this interest won the day.

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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:47:10am

So I see that the Times and WaPo don’t just want Joe to “make a statement,” they also want him to either release to them or make available to the public all his Senate papers so they can go digging for anything connected to Tara Reade.

So I’m gonna augment my earlier advice: Tell them that the campaign will not entertain any “advice” or “calls” that are made in bad faith. Without evidence that specific documents exist and have been put behind lock and key, demanding the key to that lock is tantamount to demanding Biden allow these publications to go digging for any dirt they could not otherwise acquire through legal channels. “If you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve nothing to hide” is the cry of the authoritarian and is an enormously bad precedent to set after all the successes of the #MeToo movement to date.

So if either newspaper has proof that these documents exist, then let them bring such forward to be appraised. Otherwise, the response remains the same: “He denies it, we deny it, but we welcome the press to look into the allegations and make their own conclusions.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:51:21am

re: #65 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

When I was in my teens I too used to read all sorts of fringe stuff. This was before your time, but books about Lemuria, the lost continent sunk in the Pacific, caught my eye.

That pops up as a theme in Thomas Pynchon’s Inherent Vice

I only liked that book because it reminded me of my first trip to California in winter of 1967 as a young kid from the Midwest: it was a mind-blowing place, with bottle brush trees blossoming in frigging January!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:52:25am

re: #66 Targetpractice

They are desperate to magic balancefairy this into “they’re both accused of sexual assault.”

DC’s police already closed Tara Reade’s complaint. There’s no “there” there.

The focus should remain on the appalling response by the GOP to the worst epidemic in a century.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:54:41am

LOL my wife left a comment with the pepper company on their “why did you choose us” page.

a) Because you offer the Post Office as a shipment choice
b) Because in these days of social distancing, we are dangerously low on pepper sauce. DANGEROUSLY LOW, I tell you!

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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:55:31am

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹🏡

They are desperate to magic balancefairy this into “they’re both accused of sexual assault.”

DC’s police already closed Tara Reade’s complaint. There’s no “there” there.

The focus should remain on the appalling response by the GOP to the worst epidemic in a century.

What they want is Biden to be a willing participant in all this. Like I said yesterday, what’s driving them batty is he refuses to play to the standard “Dem sex scandal” script. By now, he was supposed to have rushed to the cameras so they could pick apart his “statement” as well as poking and prodding him on live TV with their questions in the hopes of eliciting some physical or vocal response to spin as “insincere” and “evasive.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:55:33am

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹🏡

They are desperate to magic balancefairy this into “they’re both accused of sexual assault.”

Again, this is directed at the moderates, trying to convince as many of them as possible to stay home as there is “no difference” between the two candidates.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:56:34am

re: #70 Targetpractice

What they want is Biden to be a willing participant in all this.

So they can start every article on him with “Biden, dogged by rape accusations, continues his campaign in….”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 1:00:13am

In the Panhandle, the basic statistics remain the same (2/3 of cases are women, the largest group is 40-49).

Confirmed: 47 (+2)
Recovered: 33
Deaths: 0

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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2020 • 1:12:04am

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So they can start every article on him with “Biden, dogged by rape accusations, continues his campaign in….”

Perhaps the Biden campaign needs to do is take out a full-page ad in the WaPo and reprint the paragraph they actually wrote acknowledging that they’re holding Donny to a lower standard because they’re too chickenshit to confront him about his own allegations, and then print below it in big letters “Lowering standards to appease Donald Trump is how we ended up with Donald Trump in the White House. Either standards apply to everyone or they’re meaningless.”

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Dread Pirate  Apr 30, 2020 • 1:30:00am

Korea says there is no agreement yet.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2020 • 1:36:11am

re: #75 Dread Pirate

Whenever Trump says something, you can pretty much rest assured that around 99% of the time, it’s bullshit.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2020 • 1:53:09am

The Karlovy Vary International Film Festival has been axed for this year.

The Karlovy Vary International Film Festival, an annual event that has been taking place in the Czech Republic since 1946, has decided to cancel its 55th annual festival in light of the coronavirus, KVIFF organizers announced on Tuesday morning in Prague.

The festival would have taken place on July 3-11.

Instead, it will offer a selection of movies from its lineup in theaters across the Czech Republic, as the country prepares to open up cinemas (up to 50 viewers) again. It will stage its industry program online.

praguemorning.cz

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thecommodore  Apr 30, 2020 • 1:57:03am

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m looking at that map and based on the data I’m looking at I’d move Iowa to leaning Biden. I also can see Alaska, Montana and Kansas (!) as tossups based on how the Republicans fucked up at the state level especially in Kansas and Alaska!

Kansas elected a Dem Gov in ‘18, and have had others in recent years. If the swing away from the GOP (that basically started the day Trump was sworn in) continues, it might just be in play.

I’m thinking this election could be like 1980, when a lot of people were looking for a reason to vote against Carter, but really weren’t sure about Reagan. Then there was that one debate about a week before the election and Reagan looked at the camera and said, “Are you better off…?” and that did it. Too early to really speculate, but now with the economy cratering and 2000 people dying every day and it’s becoming crystal clear every day that this level of death was completely avoidable had Trump not been so fucking stupid…what the fuck can he run on?

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EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2020 • 2:00:50am

re: #78 thecommodore

Kansas elected a Dem Gov in ‘18, and have had others in recent years. If the swing away from the GOP (that basically started the day Trump was sworn in) continues, it might just be in play.

I’m thinking this election could be like 1980, when a lot of people were looking for a reason to vote against Carter, but really weren’t sure about Reagan. Then there was that one debate about a week before the election and Reagan looked at the camera and said, “Are you better off…?” and that did it. Too early to really speculate, but now with the economy cratering and 2000 people dying every day and it’s becoming crystal clear every day that this level of death was completely avoidable had Trump not been so fucking stupid…what the fuck can he run on?

“Are you better off now than you were four years ago?” is one hell of a zinger vs. Trump (or any Republican, really). But what would likely kill any attempt to use it vs. Trump is the media’s great both-sides lie, where it is simply unthinkable to hold a Republican accountable. For anything.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 2:08:14am

re: #79 EPR-radar

“Are you better off now than you were four years ago?” is one hell of a zinger vs. Trump (or any Republican, really). But what would likely kill any attempt to use it vs. Trump is the media’s great both-sides lie, where it is simply unthinkable to hold a Republican accountable. For anything.

“Are you happy with how Trump handled the Corona crisis?” should be the question.

His hard-core supporters cannot be convinced otherwise, but basically anybody else could not possibly answer affirmatively.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 2:28:31am

re: #16 Belafon

I think they think that there are people who were going to vote for Biden because there wasn’t a better Republican choice. I disagree with that, though. The people who might vote for Amash were never going to vote for Biden. They would have ultimately found a reason to vote for Trump.

See also: Dark Falcon.

Justin Amash might now give him the excuse he needs to vote for someone other than Donald Trump, but he would never vote for Joe Biden.

Even back in the Eighties, the so-called Reagan Democrats. who are the same group who voted for Donald Trump in the Midwest, voted for the racism.

Justin Amash isn’t interested in government (other than being paid by it): He’s interested in privatising as much as possible and destroying the rest.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 2:40:26am

re: #39 thecommodore

This is a very rough estimate of what the electoral college looks like right now, based on RCP data, and the article posted earlier about Biden’s slim lead in Texas. I’m sure Nate Silver will have much more reliable data pretty soon. (clip)

I’m not sure where the 270toWin map using RCP comes from showing NE-2 as “leans Republican.” 270toWin shows NE-2 as “toss-up.”

270toWin uses polling from Cook Political Report and other reliable sites.

As for Real Clear Politics, it was founded by two Republicans, an advert guy and a hedge fund guy.

In a 2001 article for Princeton Alumni Weekly, which noted that “The articles selected invariably demonstrate McIntyre and Bevan’s political bent, about which they are unabashedly forthcoming.” McIntyre said, “I’m not really a die-hard Republican because my interests are less on social issues, more on taxing and spending… But I definitely don’t want the government telling me what to do with my property… Nevertheless, any political junkie—even a liberal—would enjoy our site because the topics we choose are current.”

RealClearPolitics (Wikipedia)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 2:44:40am

Kweisi Mfume (D) defeated Kimberly Klacik (R) and two independents who got zero votes for the late Rep. Elijah Cummings seat (MD-7) last night.

270towin.com

It was a blowout (73.2-28.6-0-0%)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 2:49:53am

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹🏡

More from Wikipedia:

An October 2019 article in The Daily Beast reported that Real Clear Media manages a Facebook page of “far-right memes and Islamophobic smears.” Anand Ramanujan, Chief Technology Officer for Real Clear Media, responded that the company created the website that was affiliated with the Facebook page “as part of an effort to understand the flow of traffic from social media—particularly Facebook—to political websites.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 2:58:52am

Coronavirus New York state update: switching from Johns Hopkins to NYT data (Princeton Election Consortium)

Over the last few days, our doubling-time tracker has showed steady progress toward longer times in nearly every state - except New York. We think we’ve identified a source of inaccuracy: uneven updating at the Johns Hopkins site. They’re excellent, but their data isn’t intended for visual display. So we’re switching to the New York Times feed.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 3:10:02am

Weird.

My wife ran across a PBS Newshour article from 2019 claiming 90,220 American servicemen and women died in the Vietnam War.

I’m not sure where they got that number. They claim their sources are the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The actual number from the Department of Defense is 58,220.

I’ve been to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington. There aren’t ninety thousand names on the wall.

The Vietnam Conflict Extract Data File of the Defense Casualty Analysis System (DCAS) Extract Files contains records of 58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties of the Vietnam War. These records were transferred into the custody of the National Archives and Records Administration in 2008. The earliest casualty record contains a date of death of June 8, 1956, and the most recent casualty record contains a date of death of May 28, 2006. The Defense Casualty Analysis System Extract Files were created by the Defense Manpower Data Center (DMDC) of the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

(National Archives, more at the link)

archives.gov

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 3:11:22am

How many Americans have died in U.S. wars? (PBS Newshour)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 3:34:31am

VA defends use of unproven drug on veterans for coronavirus (Goes to Stars & Stripes)

WASHINGTON — Veterans Affairs Secretary Robert Wilkie on Wednesday defended the use of an unproven drug on veterans for the coronavirus, insisting they were never used as “test subjects” but given the treatment only when medically appropriate. [Cough, bullshyte]

In a letter and call with major veterans organizations, Wilkie said the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine was being administered in government-run VA hospitals to virus-stricken patients only in conjunction with a physician’s advice.

But Wilkie declined to say how widely the drug was being used at VA for COVID-19 and whether the department had issued broad guidance to doctors and patients on the use of the drug, which has been heavily touted by President Donald Trump without scientific evidence.

(more)

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Jay C  Apr 30, 2020 • 3:39:26am

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹🏡

How many Americans have died in U.S. wars? (PBS Newshour)

That is weird. Casualty figures (even the fairly precise ones we have post- WWII) are always being adjusted: but PBS’s numbers for Vietnam deaths shouldn’t vary from the official count by 50%!
I also see they cite US deaths in the Korean War as way higher than the “normal” figure - I wonder what their methodology was?

OTOH, their numbers for US wars pre-Korea seem in line…..

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 30, 2020 • 3:53:47am

Tara’s becoming undone. She looks like a real grifter. Whatever happened between her and Biden may be unknowable, but voters should stand fast—this is a ratfuck.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Apr 30, 2020 • 4:20:02am

re: #79 EPR-radar

“Are you better off now than you were four years ago?” is one hell of a zinger vs. Trump (or any Republican, really). But what would likely kill any attempt to use it vs. Trump is the media’s great both-sides lie, where it is simply unthinkable to hold a Republican accountable. For anything.

It’s already in play.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2020 • 4:21:23am

re: #86 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Weird.

My wife ran across a PBS Newshour article from 2019 claiming 90,220 American servicemen and women died in the Vietnam War.

I’m not sure where they got that number. They claim their sources are the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The actual number from the Department of Defense is 58,220.

I’ve been to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington. There aren’t ninety thousand names on the wall.

(National Archives, more at the link)

archives.gov

Look for the answer in the PBS definition. Could their wording be including a select set of veteran suicides?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 4:30:13am

People re: #92 Decatur Deb

Look for the answer in the PBS definition. Could their wording be including a select set of veteran suicides?

I would have also thought it might consider all the postwar indirect casualties through PTSD-induced suicides, drug overdoses, etc.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 4:33:52am

re: #29 Dread Pirate

Back in the 70-80’s a lot of companies sent their employees to Erhard Seminars Training, EST. You could see a weird change in the eyes of its graduates. It led to a lot of overconfident nutjobs running companies into the ground. We used to call them ESTholes.

I remember that. An old boss wanted me to go to an EST seminar. After he told me about it, I was like that “backing out of a room slowly” gif.

I never looked at that guy the same way again.

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jeffreyw  Apr 30, 2020 • 4:46:04am

Gabe prefers that the possums stay the fuck out of his yard.

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jeffreyw  Apr 30, 2020 • 4:47:46am

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 30, 2020 • 5:13:59am

Thread on Russian ratfucking. I wish I had the codes. I’d use them.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 30, 2020 • 5:25:06am

re: #91 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

It’s already in play.

[Embedded content]

Burn!

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Apr 30, 2020 • 5:29:30am

re: #98 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Burn!

At least in the 3rd degree

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Apr 30, 2020 • 5:31:01am

re: #99 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

At least in the 3rd degree

Yeah using Reagan’s words on Trump is perfect.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 5:31:13am

re: #97 Sherlock Hound

Thread on Russian ratfucking. I wish I had the codes. I’d use them.

“Biden, still dogged by allegations of sexual assault, continues his campaign in…”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 5:35:34am

re: #92 Decatur Deb

Look for the answer in the PBS definition. Could their wording be including a select set of veteran suicides?

No. This is the definition they used in the article:

This Memorial Day, we decided to take a close look at the number of American service members who lost their lives during wartime in an effort to put their sacrifices into a broader perspective.

“During wartime” does not include subsequent suicides.

pbs.org

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lawhawk  Apr 30, 2020 • 5:40:57am

re: #18 jaunte

Howard Foreman has been posting graphs showing the cases with and without NY, NJ in the counts - and the fact that those two states are seeing declines is hiding fact that cases are rising elsewhere, particularly where there are even fewer resources available and states are lax in their stay at home orders.

I fear that the NJ and NY relaxation of the stay at home orders is too soon, and we’ll see a resurgence of cases. I also think that the relaxed orders - like NJ reopening state parks and golf courses - will get some people out and about when they shouldn’t, but most people will stay at home far longer than that. I think that’s especially true in the places that have been hardest hit, because they see and know people who have been directly affected by this.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2020 • 5:53:12am

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹🏡

No. This is the definition they used in the article:

“During wartime” does not include subsequent suicides.

pbs.org

“During wartime” could include a lot of medical and accidental deaths to the services.
We fielded up to 3 million soldiers/sailors/airmen at a time for 10+ years, most of whom never went to Vietnam. Army accidental deaths ran into the thousands/yr in those days.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 5:53:18am

re: #91 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

It’s already in play.

On Ronald Reagan’s question “are you better off now than you were four years ago,” my answer was “yes” and I voted for Jimmy Carter.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 5:59:24am

brutal WSJ article

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 5:59:26am

re: #104 Decatur Deb

“During wartime” could include a lot of medical and accidental deaths to the services.
We fielded up to 3 million soldiers/sailors/airmen at a time for 10+ years, most of whom never went to Vietnam. Army accidental deaths ran into the thousands/yr in those days.

There is a little wiggle room in “lost their lives during wartime.”

That said, we don’t count people who died in Basic Training during the Iraq War as “lost their lives during wartime.”

It’s sort of the same thing referring to combat service in the Persian Gulf War. There were those like my (then) brother-in-law, who was actually in Saudi Arabia in the US Army while I was at Naval Station Rota.

Did I serve “during” the Persian Gulf War? Yes. I worked a fuquetonne of long damn hours fixing every frickin’ ILS and HF system in both the Air Force and Navy in the run-up to the war. Did I serve in combat? No. That’s why I got a National Defense Service Medal (awarded to everyone in the military during a time of war) but not a Southwest Asia Service Medal (because I was nowhere near Kuwait).

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:00:12am

re: #96 jeffreyw

Red is in fashion this season.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:01:11am

re: #104 Decatur Deb

It would be a bit dishonest to inflate the numbers to over ninety thousand by including everyone who died in a car wreck during leave.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:03:02am

re: #106 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

brutal WSJ article

article makes it clear it was all Obama/Biden’s fault that the missing masks were not replaced…

/

(which is the only takeaway the RW press will have from this article)

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:03:10am

Arthur Chu on reopening:

The Republicans and their corporate partners are banking on the trope that “the economy doesn’t need some people”; we can shelter the “elderly and disabled’ so that the “rest of us” can go back to work. This trope devolves down to “The Economy Doesn’t Need YOU!”

Arthur makes the point that a resurgent epidemic will shut down the economy anyway.
I make the point that if we all get the virus, not only will many of us die, but by the figures I’ve seen, 20% of COVID-19 cases are severe, even if a ventilator is not required.

That 20% have to be cared for by SOMEONE, Mom, Dad, brother, sister, son or daughter. They aren’t going to be participating in The Economy. As well, a good number of those 20% will either not be able to work any longer, or their employers will inform them to get well but, by the way, their services are no longer required. I believe a lot of them will end up applying for SSI. I looked after my disabled Mom for the last three years of her life, and I’ll NEVER forget that. This DOES things to people, just as in 1918. 20% of Americans are about 70 million, and 1.5% dead, about 3.5 million.

What will THAT do to The Economy? The elites, like Elon Musk, are already saying in so many words that their future doesn’t need us. I can’t be the only one who’s enraged. Others will be enraged, and they have baseball bats, IED’s, and the Second Amendment.

Now, how’s that recovery?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:03:23am

re: #107 Anymouse 🌹🏡

There is a little wiggle room in “lost their lives during wartime.”

That said, we don’t count people who died in Basic Training during the Iraq War as “lost their lives during wartime.”

There is no official definition for that term, it’s a journalistic construct. AR385-40 absolutely counts BCT deaths and off-duty POV deaths in the Army count. So do the other services under a DoD Instruction.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:04:40am

Parscale getting good press where Donny boy isn’t. I see the key issue here.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:05:52am

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹🏡

On Ronald Reagan’s question “are you better off now than you were four years ago,” my answer was “yes” and I voted for Jimmy Carter.

I voted for him twice. I claim youth and ignorance. (I was 19 the 1st time I voted for him)

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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:06:22am

re: #29 Dread Pirate

I knew quite a few EST folks in Boulder. It’s pretty easy to spot an ESTY with just a casual convo. I did not to EST, but I did do something somewhat similar. I survived, but it was 30+ years ago and I’ve almost processed it. Almost. :D

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:08:12am

re: #113 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Trump: “I am not f*cking losing to Joe Biden!” ]

no, you are losing to yourself and your own dismal record

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:08:14am

re: #111 Sherlock Hound

Arthur Chu on reopening:

This trope devolves down to “The Economy Doesn’t Need YOU!”

This trope also devolves down to “You should die for the Dow.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:09:21am

re: #117 Anymouse 🌹🏡

This trope also devolves down to “You should die for the Dow.”

Because we exist to serve the economy. Where did we ever get this collectivist idea that we created the economy and the markets to serve the population as a whole?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:12:21am

re: #114 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

I voted for him twice. I claim youth and ignorance. (I was 19 the 1st time I voted for him)

You’re forgiven. /s

I also forgave my wife for voting for him in 1984. /s

I was twenty when I cast my ballot for Jimmy Carter. One of the things he did accomplish during his four years was to bring up the dismal enlisted pay which was a holdover from the draft.

Ronald Reagan put a halt to military pay rises, and in one case where the GOP was holding the budget hostage, actually told military personnel they needed to show the populace how to tighten their belts in case the budget didn’t pass and we weren’t paid. (There is no guarantee of being paid in a military contract.)

Our division officers were tasked with what had to be the very unpleasant duty of holding training on pay and why if we were not paid, a downing of tools or such would be treated as mutiny.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:15:44am

re: #112 Decatur Deb

There is no official definition for that term, it’s a journalistic construct. AR385-40 absolutely counts BCT deaths and off-duty POV deaths in the Army count. So do the other services under a DoD Instruction.

Hmm, I didn’t know that.

There isn’t much difference between wrapping your motorcycle around a tree and dying gloriously in battle being cut to ribbons with an AK-47; you’re still dead.

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jeffreyw  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:16:31am

re: #108 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Red is in fashion this season.

Yes, it is. I’ve not had a gathering of bluejays for a while.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:17:30am

Polling analysis on coronavirus.

How Americans View The Coronavirus Crisis And Trump’s Response (FiveThirtyEight)

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:17:44am

In college a friend of mine convinced me to go to some frontage-road Holiday Inn for a presentation on EST. The big selling point was that the speaker was the actor Raul Julia. We smoked a little before we went in, which turned out to be a good thing, because they closed the doors to the conference room and manned them and situated people at the end of each aisle to discourage getting up and leaving. I got so freaked out by the vibe that I left my friend (tried to convince him to go), brushed past the guides, and bolted the room. Fortunately, my friend came out about 15 minutes later. It was fucking spooky. I could never watch a Raul Julia movie again without remembering that experience and getting creeped out.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:19:42am

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Hmm, I didn’t know that.

There isn’t much difference between wrapping your motorcycle around a tree and dying gloriously in battle being cut to ribbons with an AK-47; you’re still dead.

I earned a data point in the Army Safety Management Information System (ASMIS) by falling out of a deuce in 1965, in Basic.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:22:22am

[deleted by me because somehow it posted twice]

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:22:44am

Alligator zoomies.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:23:24am
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Sherlock Hound  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:25:16am

re: #117 Anymouse 🌹🏡

This trope also devolves down to “You should die for the Dow.”

“The Future Doesn’t Need You” I think about this non-stop.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:25:24am

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Polling analysis on coronavirus.

How Americans View The Coronavirus Crisis And Trump’s Response (FiveThirtyEight)

There’s is always that roughly 30% who are nuts. What, me, worry about the Corona?

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Jay C  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:25:36am

re: #123 Barefoot Grin

In college a friend of mine convinced me to go to some frontage-road Holiday Inn for a presentation on EST. The big selling point was that the speaker was the actor Raul Julia. We smoked a little before we went in, which turned out to be a good thing, because they closed the doors to the conference room and manned them and situated people at the end of each aisle to discourage getting up and leaving. I got so freaked out by the vibe that I left my friend (tried to convince him to go), brushed past the guides, and bolted the room. Fortunately, my friend came out about 15 minutes later. It was fucking spooky. I could never watch a Raul Julia movie again without remembering that experience and getting creeped out.

One thing I recall hearing about EST was that the sessions were deliberately designed to make the attendees uncomfortable (no bathroom breaks, frex) - for whatever reason. Something to do with getting them to concentrate, or whatever…

I do recall also that every ESTy I ever met seemed to act like an obnoxious asshole on purpose: til I realized that EST was just a way to provide said obnoxious assholes with a formalized psychobabble excuse for their obnoxious assholery: no wonder they cleaned up back in the day.

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retired cynic  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:27:24am

Sorry, I am behind, so don’t know if this has been posted. The paragraph here really hit home for me because my “son” believes this. He is bright, but his complete circle (family, friends, neighbors, media), except me, believes this and bounces it back and forth. DT has really take Rush L and pushed the whole thing into the stratosphere. It makes me nauseated.

“You Have to Be Albert Einstein to Figure It Out”: Trump’s Scientific Ignorance Is Crippling His Coronavirus Response, Richard Stengel, Vanity Fair

Disregard for science is also part of a long American tradition of anti-intellectualism and scientific know-nothing-ism. The U.S. has overwhelmingly won more scientific Nobel prizes since World War II than any other nation, yet 40% of Americans do not believe in evolution. This scientific backwardness is fueled in particular by a Republican contempt for expertise and elites. Trump’s prejudices are a throwback to the 1950s; he treats scientists like delicate eggheads, a rarefied species to be carted out for show but not listened to. He’s the class bully who shoots spitballs at the kids who wear glasses and like Bunsen burners. This contempt is dangerous because it influences the American public, which is precisely what it is designed to do. Although popularity and respect levels of Drs. Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx are far higher than those of the president, a poll reported on this past week shows that almost half of Americans believe the virus was created in a lab. Nearly a third of Americans believe there is already a vaccine, but it is being hidden from the public. Disinformation is also a pathogen, and Trump injects it into the national bloodstream every day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:29:49am

re: #127 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Just heard there is a 2nd case of COVID-19 within my Winnebago Reservation. Worried for my people, and for my mom who is immunocompromised.

When I first read that, I really though she was referring to an RV park…

no insult intended.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:30:43am

re: #130 Jay C

One thing I recall hearing about EST was that the sessions were deliberately designed to make the attendees uncomfortable (no bathroom breaks, frex) - for whatever reason. SOmething to do with getting them to concentrate, or whatever…

I do recall also that every ESTy I ever met seemed to act like an obnoxious asshole on purpose: til I realized that EST was just a way to provide said obnoxious assholes with a formalized psychobabble excuse for their obnoxious assholery: no wonder they cleaned up back in the day.

The guy I used to work for wasn’t an asshole in any way, I liked him a lot actually, but he fully bought into the EST bullshit.

There’s something fundamentally cultish about telling people when they can - and cannot - pee.

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:31:02am

On a different subject, a Norwegian trucker, and a Norwegian passenger train, met at a grade crossing and had a Bad Day. Fortunately, no injuries.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:31:49am

re: #133 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

The guy I used to work for wasn’t an asshole in any way, I liked him a lot actually, but he fully bought into the EST bullshit.

There’s something fundamentally cultish about telling people when they can - and cannot - pee.

Some people have a totally sociopathic drive to control and dominate others in any manner they can. That is the basis of many of our established power structures.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:35:04am

re: #130 Jay C

One thing I recall hearing about EST was that the sessions were deliberately designed to make the attendees uncomfortable (no bathroom breaks, frex) - for whatever reason. Something to do with getting them to concentrate, or whatever…

I do recall also that every ESTy I ever met seemed to act like an obnoxious asshole on purpose: til I realized that EST was just a way to provide said obnoxious assholes with a formalized psychobabble excuse for their obnoxious assholery: no wonder they cleaned up back in the day.

I guess I didn’t pass the EST test.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:37:10am

re: #131 retired cynic

a poll reported on this past week shows that almost half of Americans believe the virus was created in a lab

I think this isn’t anti-intellectualism, per se. I think it’s a natural desire to make order out of chaos. Something that can’t be easily explained (whaddya mean someone ate a bat/pangolin/whatever and now a million people are sick and dying? That’s nuts!) in a 30 second elevator pitch slash advertisement is chaos. A lab based outbreak is easier to understand which makes it a more desirable cause.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:37:57am

re: #132 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When I first read that, I really though she was referring to an RV park…

no insult intended.

I did as well. And that’s close to where I grew up. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:39:33am

re: #138 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I did as well. And that’s close to where I grew up. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Wendell grew up not far from the RV capital of the world!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:39:49am

re: #138 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I did as well. And that’s close to where I grew up. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dead Kennedys - Winnebago Warrior

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:43:40am

re: #1 teleskiguy

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I know I know. Don’t get happy. Still… Fuckface Von Clownstick loses Texas, it’s game over for him.

Having to defend Texas is not a good thing by itself

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:44:45am

re: #141 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Having to defend Texas is not a good thing by itself

It is a quite a development that the GOP has been put into that position.

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Mattand  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:45:40am

re: #137 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I think this isn’t anti-intellectualism, per se. I think it’s a natural desire to make order out of chaos. Something that can’t be easily explained (whaddya mean someone ate a bat/pangolin/whatever and now a million people are sick and dying? That’s nuts!) in a 30 second elevator pitch slash advertisement is chaos. A lab based outbreak is easier to understand which makes it a more desirable cause.

I agree. A conspiracy theory with an easily identified villain (if you’re American, the more “foreign”, the better) is always more digestible than “Sorry, it was just random shit that upended your life.” I have a neighbor who’s a teacher who will go to his grave believing the JFK conspiracy dumbness.

That said, don’t ever undersell America’s entrenched anti-intelllectualism. I saw a FB post last night wherein one participant was “using” math to basically say “COVID is no big deal, the cure is worse than the disease, argle gargle.” Dude’s in CA and runs a business, so he’s full-on “Throw bodies on the economy bonfire” mode.

Asshole gets bonus points for decrying the “Marshall Law” that’s been enacted.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:46:06am
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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:49:05am
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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:49:47am
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Mattand  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:49:51am

re: #144 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

…why the fuck do we even have a 25th Amendment if we’re not going to use it on this loon

I won’t be around to see it, but I really hope Trump’s one true legacy is that future politicians will shore up the Constitution around the obvious fault lines that he’s exposed.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:51:11am

re: #134 Sherlock Hound

On a different subject, a Norwegian trucker, and a Norwegian passenger train, met at a grade crossing and had a Bad Day. Fortunately, no injuries.

It looks like the truck is stalled on the tracks, and the locomotive hits it at full speed.

I don’t know how Norway works. Here posted on our at-grade crossings is a sign telling people if they are stalled they should immediately call a telephone number for the railroad company to let them know.

The two at-grade crossings in my town both have private telephone boxes which connect directly to Union-Pacific.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:51:19am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:52:52am

re: #143 Mattand

That said, don’t ever undersell America’s entrenched anti-intelllectualism. I saw a FB post last night wherein one participant was “using” math to basically say “COVID is no big deal, the cure is worse than the disease, argle gargle.” Dude’s in CA and runs a business, so he’s full-on “Throw bodies on the economy bonfire” mode.

I still don’t see this as anti-intellectualism. This guy is a greedy asshole and this whole COVID inconvenience is affecting his bottom line. People need to die for his bottom line. And fuck him sideways.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:54:14am

I think the number itself would be smaller if China were reporting properly, but this is not a race America should even be at number 2 in.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:55:13am
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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:56:11am

Biden’s VP vetting team:

Former Sen. Chris Dodd, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti, Delaware Rep. Lisa Blunt Rochester and Cynthia Hogan, a former counsel to Biden in the Senate and the White House, will lead the effort meant to advise Biden as he makes what is likely his most consequential political decision.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 6:57:52am

re: #150 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I still don’t see this as anti-intellectualism. This guy is a greedy asshole and this whole COVID inconvenience is affecting his bottom line. People need to die for his bottom line. And fuck him sideways.

The anti-intellectualism isn’t the businessman lying with math to support his bottom line.

The anti-intellectualism is the decades of training the voting populace in general has been given to distrust anything said by government or experts.

Conservative anti-intellecutalism goes all the way back to colonial days. That said, those in charge are not the ones who don’t understand what they’re saying.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:00:18am
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Ferdinand  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:02:03am

This looks interesting. Just saw it on Facebook. Been wondering about jobs in contact tracing, and how that work would be staffed. Looks like at least one organization is working on a national effort.
contrace.org
“Building an army of 20,000 remote contact tracers to help fight COVID-19 & safely reopen the US economy.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:02:26am

3.8 million more Americans seek jobless aid, raising total layoffs to 30 million (AP via the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, one hour ago)

WASHINGTON (AP) — More than 3.8 million laid-off workers applied for unemployment benefits last week as the U.S. economy slid further into a crisis that is becoming the most devastating since the 1930s.

Roughly 30.3 million people have now filed for jobless aid in the six weeks since the coronavirus outbreak began forcing millions of employers to close their doors and slash their workforces. That is more people than live in the New York and Chicago metropolitan areas combined, and it’s by far the worst string of layoffs on record. It adds up to more than one in six American workers.

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Teukka  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:03:43am

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stpaulbear  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:04:20am

re: #127 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Emmy Scott
@EmmyNawjoopinga
Tyson Foods has been using scare tactics saying there will be a meat shortage. It is responsible for Trump’s executive order for plants to stay open.

They have deemed brown & Black people expendable. My Winnebago reservation infected from Tyson, expendable.

Here’s a list of Tyson brands in case anybody may want to try some other brands…

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:06:02am

re: #158 Teukka

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I’m down with MOFA.

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:07:51am

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹🏡

It looks like the truck is stalled on the tracks, and the locomotive hits it at full speed.

I don’t know how Norway works. Here posted on our at-grade crossings is a sign telling people if they are stalled they should immediately call a telephone number for the railroad company to let them know.

The two at-grade crossings in my town both have private telephone boxes which connect directly to Union-Pacific.

There are phone numbers on crossings near me. Tracks are owned by the MBTA (local transit authority), CSX or Pan Am Rail. France does this too; that country has as many dumbasses as we do when it comes to carelessness around trains.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:08:38am

re: #154 Anymouse 🌹🏡

The anti-intellectualism isn’t the businessman lying with math to support his bottom line.

The anti-intellectualism is the decades of training the voting populace in general has been given to distrust anything said by government or experts.

Conservative anti-intellecutalism goes all the way back to colonial days. That said, those in charge are not the ones who don’t understand what they’re saying.

This I completely agree with.

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retired cynic  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:08:40am

re: #103 lawhawk

Howard Foreman has been posting graphs showing the cases with and without NY, NJ in the counts - and the fact that those two states are seeing declines is hiding fact that cases are rising elsewhere, particularly where there are even fewer resources available and states are lax in their stay at home orders.

I fear that the NJ and NY relaxation of the stay at home orders is too soon, and we’ll see a resurgence of cases. I also think that the relaxed orders - like NJ reopening state parks and golf courses - will get some people out and about when they shouldn’t, but most people will stay at home far longer than that. I think that’s especially true in the places that have been hardest hit, because they see and know people who have been directly affected by this.

Illinois is showing a steep climb in cases, but we are tested up to four times more per day than we were. I think hospitalizations and deaths would be a clearer graph.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:09:10am

re: #154 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Conservative anti-intellecutalism goes all the way back to colonial days. That said, those in charge are not the ones who don’t understand what they’re saying.

It is a vaunted American tradition, born out of our 18th and 19th-century technical and cultural inferiority complex regarding Europe.

Our national self-image was based on seeing ourselves as being morally superior to those intellectually more advanced but effete and decadent Europeans, slavery and Manifest Destiny notwithstanding…

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:09:16am

re: #159 stpaulbear

Tyson: Uber, but for chicken.

“…Contract poultry farming is not just the industry standard; it’s also a relationship we believe works well for everyone.

We supply the birds and feed, and provide technical advice, while the poultry farmer provides the labor, housing and utilities.”
tysonfoods.com

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:09:27am

re: #111 Sherlock Hound

Arthur Chu on reopening:

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The Republicans and their corporate partners are banking on the trope that “the economy doesn’t need some people”; we can shelter the “elderly and disabled’ so that the “rest of us” can go back to work. This trope devolves down to “The Economy Doesn’t Need YOU!”

Arthur makes the point that a resurgent epidemic will shut down the economy anyway.
I make the point that if we all get the virus, not only will many of us die, but by the figures I’ve seen, 20% of COVID-19 cases are severe, even if a ventilator is not required.

That 20% have to be cared for by SOMEONE, Mom, Dad, brother, sister, son or daughter. They aren’t going to be participating in The Economy. As well, a good number of those 20% will either not be able to work any longer, or their employers will inform them to get well but, by the way, their services are no longer required. I believe a lot of them will end up applying for SSI. I looked after my disabled Mom for the last three years of her life, and I’ll NEVER forget that. This DOES things to people, just as in 1918. 20% of Americans are about 70 million, and 1.5% dead, about 3.5 million.

What will THAT do to The Economy? The elites, like Elon Musk, are already saying in so many words that their future doesn’t need us. I can’t be the only one who’s enraged. Others will be enraged, and they have baseball bats, IED’s, and the Second Amendment.

Now, how’s that recovery?

I and mine are staying home no matter what ‘reopens’
Fortunately we have always worked from home. A new sort of privilege

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:11:01am

re: #144 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

When the 25th was written, Freud’s work was still considered a significant contribution to psychology. It basically covers strokes and heart attacks, not narcissism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:12:20am

re: #165 jaunte

Tyson: Uber, but for chicken.

“…Contract poultry farming is not just the industry standard; it’s also a relationship we believe works well for everyone.

We supply the birds and feed, and provide technical advice, while the poultry farmer provides the labor, housing and utilities.”

again, modern enterprise is about privatizing profits (and paying minimal or zero taxes on them) while socializing environmental and safety costs.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:15:14am

re: #155 Belafon

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:15:47am

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, modern enterprise is about privatizing profits (and not paying taxes on them) while socializing environmental and safety costs.

This is an article about chicken-catchers in the Netherlands, I also recall listening to a similar NPR report on conditions in the Texarkana regions:

Chicken-catchers often have difficult working conditions. The average catcher is supposed to catch between 150 and 250 hens per hour in dark and dusty conditions. The welfare of the birds during this process is often badly compromised. The hens are grabbed 3-5 at a time, by one leg, and left hanging upside down screaming while the catcher tries to grab another bunch with his other hand. The hens are then loaded headfirst and often roughly through the top-openings of transport crates. The pressure on the chicken-catchers to work fast and keep the costs low for the farmer is high, because the price of eggs nowadays is so low.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:17:36am

re: #137 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I think this isn’t anti-intellectualism, per se. I think it’s a natural desire to make order out of chaos. Something that can’t be easily explained (whaddya mean someone ate a bat/pangolin/whatever and now a million people are sick and dying? That’s nuts!) in a 30 second elevator pitch slash advertisement is chaos. A lab based outbreak is easier to understand which makes it a more desirable cause.

I’m not sure I buy either one of those as “easier” to explain than the other

What makes the lab scenario easier than it’s like a contagious rabies?

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:19:13am

re: #171 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

I’m not sure I buy either one of those as “easier” to explain than the other

What makes the lab scenario easier than it’s like a contagious rabies?

We like bad things to have an evil source, because then we can control it. If it’s just nature, then there’s no control.

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Jay C  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:21:59am

re: #171 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

I’m not sure I buy either one of those as “easier” to explain than the other

What makes the lab scenario easier than it’s like a contagious rabies?

Because then, it’s easier to blame SOMEONE.

And sinister foreigners concocting dangerous contagions in secret laboratories for nefarious purposes make a handy (and familiar-from-fiction) “someone”. As always.

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mmmirele  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:27:17am

I hired a lawyer to deal with the mortgage company, and it’s a good thing, because I just got notified this morning of a ding on my credit. Those asshats are holding my payments in suspension, refusing to credit them to my account and claiming I’m not making my payments. Hopefully the letter goes out today, as I signed the authorization and reviewed the letter yesterday.

Grrrr. Do not fuck with me. I have a (virtual) chainsaw.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:29:01am

re: #172 Belafon

We like bad things to have an evil source, because then we can control it. If it’s just nature, then there’s no control.

re: #173 Jay C

Because then, it’s easier to blame SOMEONE.

And sinister foreigners concocting dangerous contagions in secret laboratories for nefarious purposes make a handy (and familiar-from-fiction) “someone”. As always.

And here i thought explain as in uncover the truth.
Not explain as in concoct the truth. //

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lizardofid  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:31:18am

Good morning everyone!

To justify his opening up of the state, in spite of a lack of decrease in cases, the Governor here in Texas cites the increase in testing. He says the decrease in percentage of positives results is a better indicator. He touts the fact that we started out returning 10% positives, and last week came back at 5%. But I seem to remember that early on the requirements to even get the test you had to have symptoms, and suspected contact.

Might that not skew the results pretty dramatically?

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:33:48am

re: #176 lizardofid

“…Researchers say 25 percent to 50 percent of people with COVID-19 are unaware they have the virus.”
healthline.com

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Charmingly Persistent  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:36:40am

re: #363 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Fourteen tweets, in which the founder of the Me Too movement throws her support behind Tara Reade.

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Obviously I don’t check in here often enough since this is from two threads ago! But I think there is a lot more nuance in here than the author supporting Tara Reade. It is far more along the lines of, “I am not making statements that will prevent other women from coming forward, let the press do whatever invenstigations are necessary, and women’s allegations should not be used for political purposes.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:37:27am
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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:37:28am

re: #176 lizardofid

Good morning everyone!

To justify his opening up of the state, in spite of a lack of decrease in cases, the Governor here in Texas cites the increase in testing. He says the decrease in percentage of positives results is a better indicator. He touts the fact that we started out returning 10% positives, and last week came back at 5%. But I seem to remember that early on the requirements to even get the test you had to have symptoms, and suspected contact.

Might that not skew the results pretty dramatically?

Yeah, he’s playing with stats. It should be the change in positive cases, not the percentage in this case, until we get to where we’re testing a good percentage of the population.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:38:34am

re: #178 Charmingly Persistent

Obviously I don’t check in here often enough since this is from two threads ago! But I think there is a lot more nuance in here than the author supporting Tara Reade. It is far more along the lines of, “I am not making statements that will prevent other women from coming forward, let the press do whatever invenstigations are necessary, and women’s allegations should not be used for political purposes.”

Good morning, Ms. Emma Anne! I haven’t seen you in awhile, probably because I flood the threads in the overnight shift. How are you today?

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:43:43am

re: #177 jaunte

“…Researchers say 25 percent to 50 percent of people with COVID-19 are unaware they have the virus.”
healthline.com

“and as long as they dont wind up in the hospital we dont care”

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mmmirele  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:45:48am

News about the Paycheck Protection Program: Funding has run out. Funding may have run out for some lenders. Other lenders may still have funds.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:46:06am

Off to the Post Office to mail a postcard to Switzerland, a picture of my town’s big tourist attraction (the giant cock—a twenty-foot plastic rooster).

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:48:04am

re: #96 jeffreyw

Western good morning!

Unison drill
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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:48:38am

re: #155 Belafon

Just to be sure that everyone knows, the text you’re seeing is from a book Reade’s dad wrote. I should have written this sooner.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:49:05am
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Sherlock Hound  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:49:23am

re: #184 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Off to the Post Office to mail a postcard to Switzerland, a picture of my town’s big tourist attraction (the giant cock—a twenty-foot plastic rooster).

A marvelous cock it is!
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:49:57am

Fucking moron.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:50:00am

re: #183 mmmirele

Or more accurately, has run out AGAIN.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:51:14am

re: #184 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Off to the Post Office to mail a postcard to Switzerland, a picture of my town’s big tourist attraction (the giant cock—a twenty-foot plastic rooster).

I’m guessing you guys get some disappointed tourists hoping to see a different kind of giant cock.

//

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William Lewis  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:51:26am

re: #132 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When I first read that, I really though she was referring to an RV park…

no insult intended.

That’s one of the reasons the local Ho-Chunk won’t use that white man’s name for their people.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:52:00am

re: #175 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

And here i thought explain as in uncover the truth.
Not explain as in concoct the truth. //

People are weird. We’re far more comfortable with a person trying to kill us than nature just randomly doing something, which in this case is killing people. Part of it is that it means we can stop it. But part of it is just that most people can’t handle randomness in nature. Which is why evangelicals need everything to be described in terms of a constantly intervening god.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:52:58am

I’m not sure about this. I’m having trust issues.

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William Lewis  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:53:53am

This month has been brought to you by the letters:

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and N.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:55:44am

re: #193 Belafon

People are weird. We’re far more comfortable with a person trying to kill us than nature just randomly doing something, which in this case is killing people. Part of it is that it means we can stop it. But part of it is just that most people can’t handle randomness in nature. Which is why evangelicals need everything to be described in terms of a constantly intervening god.

THIS. That’s why the “virus was made in a lab” story gets so much traction. The notion that our entire world could be upended by a microscopic organism jumping from a bat to a single human being in China is just too unnerving for people who have always believed the knowledge and technology of mankind is enough to guarantee such things are no longer a problem for us.

Therefore, there must be a hidden cabal behind this because it’s the only way our society could be brought down.

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lizardofid  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:56:18am

re: #180 Belafon

Yeah, he’s playing with stats. It should be the change in positive cases, not the percentage in this case, until we get to where we’re testing a good percentage of the population.

Yes, and I’m growing weary of hearing stats on the entire state. For instance, Dallas county can’t/shouldn’tnot be handled as 1/254ths of the state. Same for Harris, Travis, and so forth. Right?

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 7:58:52am

re: #194 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m not sure about this. I’m having trust issues.

“OK, first loser, we’ve accomodated your concerns. The failure to get your followers under control is entirely on you.”

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:00:15am

re: #123 Barefoot Grin

In college a friend of mine convinced me to go to some frontage-road Holiday Inn for a presentation on EST. The big selling point was that the speaker was the actor Raul Julia. We smoked a little before we went in, which turned out to be a good thing, because they closed the doors to the conference room and manned them and situated people at the end of each aisle to discourage getting up and leaving. I got so freaked out by the vibe that I left my friend (tried to convince him to go), brushed past the guides, and bolted the room. Fortunately, my friend came out about 15 minutes later. It was fucking spooky. I could never watch a Raul Julia movie again without remembering that experience and getting creeped out.

I was working in a restaurant years ago when there was an EST conference in town. They called us to tell us a lot of people would probably be coming around, which was nice.

Then they called us afterwards to ask whether everyone had behaved themselves properly. (!!!)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:01:42am

re: #188 Sherlock Hound

A marvelous cock it is!
///

The cock is in the mail to Switzerland. Postage is $1.20. (Rates are the same for every country now, they didn’t used to be.)

This time it doesn’t look like the Unabomber sent it: The postmistress was able to come up with two 55¢ stamps and a 10¢ stamp.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:03:03am

re: #56 Dread Pirate

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I just finished reading James Higdon’s The Cornbread Mafia.
Very much recommend for anyone interested in the history of moonshining and marijuana growing/breeding in Kentucky.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:05:01am
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:05:57am

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just finished reading James Higdon’s The Cornbread Mafia.
Very much recommend for anyone interested in the history of moonshining and marijuana growing/breeding in Kentucky.

Thanks for the tip. I remember from when I lived in Lexington that hemp used to be the main crop in Kentucky, but I know nothing about moonshining or weed growing there.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:07:06am

re: #129 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

There’s is always that roughly 30% who are nuts. What, me, worry about the Corona?

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Hey, I’m not personally very worried about it. Where I live there’s hardly any of it, I obey the rules of the quarantine, and we have a sane government. So I’m definitely in the 30%.

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Ferdinand  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:08:49am

re: #176 lizardofid

Good morning everyone!

To justify his opening up of the state, in spite of a lack of decrease in cases, the Governor here in Texas cites the increase in testing. He says the decrease in percentage of positives results is a better indicator. He touts the fact that we started out returning 10% positives, and last week came back at 5%. But I seem to remember that early on the requirements to even get the test you had to have symptoms, and suspected contact.

Might that not skew the results pretty dramatically?

Gov. Stitt here in OK went with the same “data driven” justification yesterday for removing the few feeble restrictions we’ve had. Pretty much everything opens up tomorrow, in theory. We shall see.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:10:27am

Oh yes, the mainstream media is TOTALLY in the Democrats pocket.

/

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:10:46am

The police department is defending the cop, who of course is the real victim of this brutal beating of a 14 year old for buying a cigar.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:10:52am

re: #204 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Hey, I’m not personally very worried about it. Where I live there’s hardly any of it, I obey the rules of the quarantine, and we have a sane government. So I’m definitely in the 30%.

Germany and Singapore are seeing spikes, and both countries have responded far better than the US.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:11:49am

re: #19 mmmirele

I had to mute someone I otherwise like because she was all “there’s no difference between Biden and Trump, they’re both sexual abusers.” I can’t, I just can’t.

This is the result of their strategy working.

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stpaulbear  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:12:08am

re: #202 Belafon

re: #202 Belafon

Justin Wolfers
✔
@JustinWolfers
This is stunning: Nearly half of the Q1 decline in GDP can be attributed to healthcare, which is presumably delaying of elective procedures.

It’s a strange reality that in the midst of a pandemic, we have a healthcare-led recession.

One of my doctors was complaining about this last month. The hospital that he’s affiliated with has shut down pretty much everything that isn’t related to covid-19. He was angry about how much financial damage that was going to cause the hospital.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:12:10am

re: #96 jeffreyw

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“Do you have a reservation?”

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jeffreyw  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:15:03am

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Do you have a reservation?”

The hostess with the mostest!

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:15:38am

re: #210 stpaulbear

One of my doctors was complaining about this last month. The hospital that he’s affiliated with has shut down pretty much everything that isn’t related to covid-19. He was angry about how much financial damage that was going to cause the hospital.

It’s like how even though more people are buying food to cook at home, farmers are struggling because their bulk sales to restaurants have declined.

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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:16:24am

re: #209 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Yep. I’m in a couple of Dem groups on FB and there’s a whole lot of “I can’t choose between two rapists” going on there.

I wish I could live in a different country.

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retired cynic  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:18:24am

re: #171 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

I’m not sure I buy either one of those as “easier” to explain than the other

What makes the lab scenario easier than it’s like a contagious rabies?

Somebody did it DELIBERATELY to hurt someone or other. Your choice. Around here, Obama did it by funding a lab (the one that DT just has cancelled funding for) to hurt ? Also, IL Gov. Pritzker is in deep trouble for closing the state down, as he is going to get arrested for draining money from state agencies. And 28,000 illegal immigrants in Chicago got the stimulus checks. He knows because the sister of the wife of a friend of his works for government in Chicago, and he called her directly himself to check. And so on. It is exhausting. I’m under the weather and can’t deal with all the CT running around in the community here.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:19:32am

re: #214 plansbandc

Yep. I’m in a couple of Dem groups on FB and there’s a whole lot of “I can’t choose between two rapists” going on there.

I wish I could live in a different country.

I suspect they’re being irrational, but I would like to ask them upfront what evidence would they require to cast doubt on Reade’s story.

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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:22:29am
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Jay C  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:23:25am

re: #216 Belafon

I suspect they’re being irrational, but I would like to ask them upfront what evidence would they require to cast doubt on Reade’s story.

If she accuses Bernie Sanders, too…..

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:23:53am

re: #208 Belafon

Germany and Singapore are seeing spikes, and both countries have responded far better than the US.

California remains closed for business.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:24:02am

re: #217 plansbandc

Yes, it is just like that.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:24:44am

re: #187 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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its the word ‘investigation’ that gets em
meanwhile ‘audits’ are done all the time
financial and other kinds
for compliance
and as a check that internal controls and systems are working as prescribed

in fact a whole lot of folks want to ‘audit’ the fed. as if it doesnt already get audited, but i digress.

what’s wrong with checking to ensure things worked and identifying what didnt so it can be corrected?

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:25:12am

re: #219 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

So far construction and parks are going to be open in Philly. I am taking a wait and see position with this matter.

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ericblair  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:26:54am

“Yo man, I mean, the pigs gotta tell you that they’re cops when you ask them, like that’s the law man, that bust was bullshit dude…”

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:28:01am

re: #222 PhillyPretzel

So far construction and parks are going to be open in Philly. I am taking a wait and see position with this matter.

They’re mostly open here, too. Social distancing rules apply and are being obeyed, at least where I go. I’m not worried about catching something from someone who’s 30 feet away. Unless someone throws something, of course.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:28:04am

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just finished reading James Higdon’s The Cornbread Mafia.
Very much recommend for anyone interested in the history of moonshining and marijuana growing/breeding in Kentucky.

we’ll be making cornmeal pound cake tonight

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:29:59am

I know the feeling.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:30:25am

re: #214 plansbandc

Yep. I’m in a couple of Dem groups on FB and there’s a whole lot of “I can’t choose between two rapists” going on there.

I wish I could live in a different country.

good thing you dont have to

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:36:51am
Vice President Mike Pence’s wife, Karen Pence, told Fox & Friends that her husband didn’t know about the Mayo Clinic’s requirement that visitors wear face masks when he toured the facility earlier this week.

Said Mrs. Pence: “It was actually after he left Mayo Clinic that he found out that they had a policy of asking everyone to wear a mask. Someone who’s worked on this whole task force for over two months is not someone who would have done anything to offend anyone or hurt anyone or scare anyone.”

BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT

on about a dozen different levels
here’s two easy pickins:

- every fucking other person wearing one
- pence’s own initial response (remember ‘i wanted to look them in the eye’)

ok two more
- your planning and prep staff is incompetent
- mayo is incompetent

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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:38:06am

re: #228 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

There’s no one that’s more of a natural liar than an Evangelical “Christian”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:38:53am

re: #228 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT

on about a dozen different levels
here’s two easy pickins:

- every fucking other person wearing one
- pence’s own initial response (remember ‘i wanted to look them in the eye’)

ok two more
- your planning and prep staff is incompetent
- mayo is incompetent

Yeah, and I have serious doubts on this one.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:41:01am

re: #164 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is a vaunted American tradition, born out of our 18th and 19th-century technical and cultural inferiority complex regarding Europe.

Our national self-image was based on seeing ourselves as being morally superior to those intellectually more advanced but effete and decadent Europeans, slavery and Manifest Destiny notwithstanding…

With a large dollop of religion dumped on top every so often.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:41:30am

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, and I have serious doubts on this one.

It would be very hard to tell the Vice-President of the United States what to do.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:41:52am

re: #229 plansbandc

There’s no one that’s more of a natural liar than an Evangelical “Christian”.

“You shall not spread a false report.” Exodus 23:1

ok two more:

- it’s plastered on the walls
- you’re the head of the COVID task force

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:44:57am

re: #171 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

I’m not sure I buy either one of those as “easier” to explain than the other

What makes the lab scenario easier than it’s like a contagious rabies?

Easily identifiable human scapegoat. Random event out of nature with accidental exposure also cuts too close for a lot of people to “why is God punishing *us* with this thing?”

And the “some evil person is attacking us” theme is a much better distraction for the authorities since they don’t want to discuss their lack of preparation and bad decision after bad decision about handling the virus once it made its inevitable way to our shores.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:45:01am

re: #232 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

It would be very hard to tell the Vice-President of the United States what to do.

they cowered, for sure
but i dont see why

- “everyone wears a mask. no exceptions”.
- there is infection all over this place. we would hate to be known as the facility where you got infected

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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:46:38am

Along with the nearly instant block material that is the American flag, eagles, and faux yea Jesus stuff, I have now added anyone calling themselves a free thinker, ‘veritas” or “truth”.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:47:18am

re: #177 jaunte

“…Researchers say 25 percent to 50 percent of people with COVID-19 are unaware they have the virus.”
healthline.com

And that is pretty much the key behind the “everyone wears a mask” requirements.

(BTW, I love whoever found the image comparing mask wearing to avoid virus to wearing pants to avoid getting hit by pee.)

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lawhawk  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:47:21am

re: #235 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

they cowered, for sure
but i dont see why

- “everyone wears a mask. no exceptions”.
- there is infection all over this place. we would hate to be known as the facility where you got infected

Or, we will learn that Trumpworld ordered Mayo to do it, regardless of their policy. Trump thinks masks make people look weak.

Fuck Trump.

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mmmirele  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:47:45am

Gov. Doug Ducey (product of the GOP Governors’ Factory) has generally extended the stay at home until May 15. Yeah, some stuff is going to open up, but bars are not opening. He was VERY CLEAR about that in yesterday’s press conference.

I suspect that has something to do with a Fountain Hills pizza parlor flouting the order to stay closed for on-site dining. She’s been a real ass about it.

phoenixnewtimes.com

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:48:19am

re: #234 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Easily identifiable human scapegoat. Random event out of nature with accidental exposure also cuts too close for a lot of people to “why is God punishing *us* with this thing?”

And the “some evil person is attacking us” theme is a much better distraction for the authorities since they don’t want to discuss their lack of preparation and bad decision after bad decision about handling the virus once it made its inevitable way to our shores.

i get what everyone’s saying and i dont really disagree

i was thinking along the original lines of ‘easier to explain’ as in explain

not so much get people to ‘accept/blame/scapegoat’

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:48:23am

re: #232 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

It would be very hard to tell the Vice-President of the United States what to do.

It shouldn’t be.

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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:49:23am

Or to put it more simply, “Mother” is a liar.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:49:28am

When I was on the aircraft carrier as an enlisted man, I could keep officers who didn’t have a reason to be there out of the engineering spaces.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:50:23am

re: #240 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

i get what everyone’s saying and i dont really disagree

i was thinking along the original lines of ‘easier to explain’ as in explain

not so much get people to ‘accept/blame/scapegoat’

If it was about understanding, we’d just wait for the science.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:51:39am

re: #226 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

I know the feeling.

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If they had motorcycles and a round cage it would be even better.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:51:54am

re: #206 Eclectic Cyborg

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Oh yes, the mainstream media is TOTALLY in the Democrats pocket.

/

Projection. Constant projection. And the both-siderism media just eats it up.

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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:52:16am

Needy Amin is my new favorite name for dump.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:53:10am

re: #221 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

its the word ‘investigation’ that gets em
meanwhile ‘audits’ are done all the time
financial and other kinds
for compliance
and as a check that internal controls and systems are working as prescribed

in fact a whole lot of folks want to ‘audit’ the fed. as if it doesnt already get audited, but i digress.

what’s wrong with checking to ensure things worked and identifying what didnt so it can be corrected?

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:53:39am

re: #238 lawhawk

Or, we will learn that Trumpworld ordered Mayo to do it, regardless of their policy. Trump thinks masks make people look weak.

Fuck Trump.

well mayo is just a ‘clinic’
and it’s only rochester after all

a NYC hospital would have said “who the fuck do you think you are?” and told him to put on a goddamned mask ;-)

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lawhawk  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:53:40am
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stpaulbear  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:53:42am

re: #236 plansbandc

Along with the nearly instant block material that is the American flag, eagles, and faux yea Jesus stuff, I have now added anyone calling themselves a free thinker, ‘veritas” or “truth”.

I’ve noticed at WaPo that any comment that is posted by someone with the word ‘truth’ in their name is guaranteed to be the worst type of conspiracy peddler, and also condescending as hell.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:53:49am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:54:25am

re: #214 plansbandc

Yep. I’m in a couple of Dem groups on FB and there’s a whole lot of “I can’t choose between two rapists” going on there.

I wish I could live in a different country.

The wells have been poisoned so many times it has turned into a sort of post-modern “trust nothing!” environment. Which is just what the power mongers want unfortunately since if you trust nothing there will never be sufficiently organized opposition to effectively oppose them.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:55:46am

re: #249 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

well mayo is just a ‘clinic’
and it’s only rochester after all

a NYC hospital would have said “who the fuck do you think you are?” and told him to put on a goddamned mask ;-)

Mayo is just a sandwich spread.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 30, 2020 • 8:58:15am

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, and I have serious doubts on this one.

Standard choice of appearing incompetent or criminal. They always choose the former, and either should be an indication that they shouldn’t be holding public office.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:00:28am

re: #207 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The police department is defending the cop, who of course is the real victim of this brutal beating of a 14 year old for buying a cigar.

The police chief put up a video, putting all the blame on the child for being black abused and punched.

(video, 2:31)

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:00:32am

re: #250 lawhawk

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exactly what we thought would happen is happening
he’s got no one to blame
he cant land a punch on the invisible man
the economy is tanking
unemployment is soaring
the numbers of sick and dead are climbing

all under his administration and spin though he might, everyone knows it, because he’s the fucking president

the poll numbers are reflecting it

reality is smacking him in the puss left and right and he can’t accept any of it

worse, there will only be one way to explain when biden is sworn in and trump is no longer president
whine, moan, sue, complain, stomp and kick your feet
biden will still be the president.
because you lost.

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stpaulbear  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:01:04am

re: #254 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Mayo is just a sandwich spread.

I can’t resist:

Airplane! Captain Clarence Oveur.

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makeitstop  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:01:27am

re: #223 ericblair

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“Yo man, I mean, the pigs gotta tell you that they’re cops when you ask them, like that’s the law man, that bust was bullshit dude…”

‘Anti-Tripump.’ I like that.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:02:28am

re: #240 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

i get what everyone’s saying and i dont really disagree

i was thinking along the original lines of ‘easier to explain’ as in explain

not so much get people to ‘accept/blame/scapegoat’

Well, why does it have to be a lab? Virus/diseases are already known to jump species lines periodically; swine flu, etc. etc. without having been specifically engineered. So having a pandemic virus being artificially modified into being human contagious doesn’t really help “explain” it any better. If anything it’s adding complication to the explanation of its origin by positing that human intervention was required.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:04:22am

re: #203 Barefoot Grin

Thanks for the tip. I remember from when I lived in Lexington that hemp used to be the main crop in Kentucky, but I know nothing about moonshining or weed growing there.

MrBWS just finished reading it.
One of his observations was how familiar most of it was (“we know all of these people, just with different names”).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:06:00am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:08:19am

re: #260 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

So having a pandemic virus being artificially modified into being human contagious doesn’t really help “explain” it any better. If anything it’s adding complication to the explanation of its origin by positing that human intervention was required.

We. Are. Not. Knowledgeable. Enough. To. Do. That.

Sorry. I know you know that, but it needs to be said.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:08:31am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:08:38am

re: #262 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Been there, done that with stuff in my china closet.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:09:19am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:09:34am

re: #260 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Well, why does it have to be a lab? Virus/diseases are already known to jump species lines periodically; swine flu, etc. etc. without having been specifically engineered. So having a pandemic virus being artificially modified into being human contagious doesn’t really help “explain” it any better. If anything it’s adding complication to the explanation of its origin by positing that human intervention was required.

kinda my point. we have no trouble readily accepting animal to human:
mosquitos - malaria
rats/fleas - plague
dogs - rabies
snakes et al - poisons

the real difference with covid is once in the first human it was easily spread among humans

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makeitstop  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:10:19am

re: #264 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

“I feel it. I feel it. I think sometimes what I feel is better than what I think.”

To turn a phrase, fuck your feelings.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:11:13am

re: #257 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

exactly what we thought would happen is happening
he’s got no one to blame
he cant land a punch on the invisible man
the economy is tanking
unemployment is soaring
the numbers of sick and dead are climbing

all under his administration and spin though he might, everyone knows it, because he’s the fucking president

the poll numbers are reflecting it

reality is smacking him in the puss left and right and he can’t accept any of it

worse, there will only be one way to explain when biden is sworn in and trump is no longer president
whine, moan, sue, complain, stomp and kick your feet
biden will still be the president.
because you lost.

“Yes, our boss is so petty we’re willing to wreck all of our international agreements to make him happy, why do you ask?”

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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:16:42am

I’ve been having nightmares that people are running up to me and tackling me.

Sounds normal, right?

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Jay C  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:16:54am

re: #250 lawhawk

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So Trump is going to make China “pay” for the Coronavirus?

The same way he promised Mexico would “pay” for The Wall??

OK: even though this tack does sound like the pathetic desperate flailing of a loser - mainly because it IS - the strategy here is painfully obvious (IMO):
1. Go full-on China-bashing to try to deflect responsibility.
2. Get the GOP and RW media to back him up.
3. (most importantly) Use any complaints/cavils about this policy to paint the critics ((D) critics, of course) as “pro-China”.
4. Use Point 3 as a campaign mainstay.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:17:59am

re: #235 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

they cowered, for sure
but i dont see why

- “everyone wears a mask. no exceptions”.
- there is infection all over this place. we would hate to be known as the facility where you got infected

(A mask does not protect you, it protects your neighbors.)

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:18:48am

re: #271 Jay C

More like how China is paying for tariffs: We’ll pay for it over and over.

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:19:00am
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makeitstop  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:19:35am

Brutal.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:20:05am

re: #243 Belafon

When I was on the aircraft carrier as an enlisted man, I could keep officers who didn’t have a reason to be there out of the engineering spaces.

And your superiors would back you us, right? What if a visiting admiral wanted to enter?

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:20:54am

re: #270 plansbandc

I’ve been having nightmares that people are running up to me and tackling me.

Sounds normal, right?

depends on what kind of equipment you’re wearing

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:21:35am

re: #276 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

And your superiors would back you us, right? What if a visiting admiral wanted to enter?

A visiting admiral generally didn’t run around by himself, so there would have already been protocols in place if they person could go down there. But yes, the engineering spaces were special.

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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:24:27am

re: #277 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Just regular clothes, in the yard, getting the mail.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:24:39am

re: #265 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Been there, done that with stuff in my china closet.

A few days ago, I opened a cupboard and four bowls jumped out and landed on my foot. Bruise is almost gone.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:24:55am

re: #272 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

(A mask does not protect you, it protects your neighbors.)

of course i know that
were dealing with the VP here and the presidential ego

they couldnt say ‘we dont want you to infect us’
they could say ‘we want to make sure we dont infect you’

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:25:01am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:25:36am

re: #276 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

And your superiors would back you us, right? What if a visiting admiral wanted to enter?

I once was standing watch in the middle of the night at NAS Oceana, the back entrance to the avionics area of AIMD. Right next to my post was Production Control (the office which manages all maintenance in AIMD).

An officer (commander) I did not recognise wanted to come into the avionics area and I challenged him. My petty officer third class butt refused to let him pass.

The senior chief in Production Control challenged me: Don’t you know who he is? He’s the Executive Officer of the base.

I didn’t know him, and he didn’t have a security badge. The XO then went into Production Control and told the senior chief I was correct in challenging him and prohibiting him from entering the area.

Afterward, the senior chief escorted him on the premises.

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retired cynic  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:25:59am

re: #210 stpaulbear

One of my doctors was complaining about this last month. The hospital that he’s affiliated with has shut down pretty much everything that isn’t related to covid-19. He was angry about how much financial damage that was going to cause the hospital.

That’s probably why one of the few regulations being loosened in Illinois is on elective procedures, for counties with few cases, and under strict guidelines.

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Teukka  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:26:01am

re: #274 gocart mozart

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re: #275 makeitstop

Brutal.

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Oooooof.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:30:27am

re: #279 plansbandc

Just regular clothes, in the yard, getting the mail.

football pads - ok
hockey stuff - still good
baseball or basketball gear - not so much

regular clothes - then i got nothing. ;-)

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Rightwingconspirator  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:32:29am

Iframe

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:33:20am

I hate how much Trump has made us a fucking laughingstock.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:33:49am

re: #282 gocart mozart

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

BWAHAHAHAHA

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:34:09am

re: #283 Anymouse 🌹🏡

I once was standing watch in the middle of the night at NAS Oceana, the back entrance to the avionics area of AIMD. Right next to my post was Production Control (the office which manages all maintenance in AIMD).

An officer (commander) I did not recognise wanted to come into the avionics area and I challenged him. My petty officer third class butt refused to let him pass.

The senior chief in Production Control challenged me: Don’t you know who he is? He’s the Executive Officer of the base.

I didn’t know him, and he didn’t have a security badge. The XO then went into Production Control and told the senior chief I was correct in challenging him and prohibiting him from entering the area.

Afterward, the senior chief escorted him on the premises.

Exactly — you all knew and followed the same rulebook. But Pence wouldn’t be telling anyone that the person who challenged him was correct, and asking anyone to stand up to him is asking a lot. (We all know who his boss is.)

(If I’d been the patient he visited on the other hand, I’d have started screaming the moment he entered, and used my illness as a shield.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:34:48am

re: #282 gocart mozart

Note to self: Do NOT fuck with Elizabeth Warren.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:36:36am

re: #289 Anymouse 🌹🏡

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

BWAHAHAHAHA

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Amen. I am struck (again) by how petty and childish everyone around DT is. (If you think the law supports you, just say so.)

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:40:54am

re: #290 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Exactly — you all knew and followed the same rulebook. But Pence wouldn’t be telling anyone that the person who challenged him was correct, and asking anyone to stand up to him is asking a lot. (We all know who his boss is.)

(If I’d been the patient he visited on the other hand, I’d have started screaming the moment he entered, and used my illness as a shield.)

you know they vet those visits
i’d have not agreed to the visit

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:40:59am

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

Sen Warren should be considered by Biden for a possible cabinet post.

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William Lewis  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:42:44am

Aw f*ck.

KXta8tb+piY5tjX6I2c2LopAcf2mD+F5lf7Rfj8r2PaQI6vt0A/Uwwu2drVujqan7TdI5CYYlPq/7Xp1GvSOu/0jTX+rWnlFqT8ijYZkcLA4c8r3CJ1G+I4+oPKHtatGz6+RCqq0CnkCeVHKsJpXCCxNZ9O9cv+G8FCd8EDovDY/9Y0Zd8DVaFKGObDcs78dZwdkqM2wQSgfCnYss0ACxFyzbzK7BxbMeOAUluMBU38zlQjD4hl0Kw==

296
Dave In Austin  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:45:31am

re: #274 gocart mozart

OMG!!!!!

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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:47:38am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:49:41am
McClatchy: “Beset by deep restrictions on how they can campaign during the outbreak, an alliance of more than a half-dozen left-leaning organizations said Thursday that they would begin a massive letter-writing campaign to urge low-frequency voters to turn out for the November elections.”

“And unlike most messages in modern campaigns, these partially handwritten letters will be sent not over email but by the U.S. Postal Service — packaged in an envelope with a stamp attached as if people were communicating in a pre-internet age.”

see also the grassroots postcardstovoters.org

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:50:27am

ACOSTA: You say you had inherited “broken tests” from Obama — the coronavirus is a new virus, so how could the tests be broken?

TRUMP: We have broken tests. We had tests that were obsolete. We had tests that didn’t take care of people.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:52:09am

re: #194 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m not sure about this. I’m having trust issues.

[Embedded content]

keep your friends close, keep your enemies…

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:52:44am
302
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:53:04am

re: #299 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

ACOSTA: You say you had inherited “broken tests” from Obama — the coronavirus is a new virus, so how could the tests be broken?

TRUMP: We have broken tests. We had tests that were obsolete. We had tests that didn’t take care of people.

He is trying to blame testing failures on Obama?

Scary part is that people will believe him, after all, look how poorly Obama handled 9/11 and Katrina…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:53:41am

re: #302 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is trying to blame testing failures on Obama?

Scary part is that people will believe him, after all, look how poorly Obama handled 9/11 and Katrina…

You oughta know by he tries to blame everything on Obama.

/

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:55:05am

re: #299 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

ACOSTA: You say you had inherited “broken tests” from Obama — the coronavirus is a new virus, so how could the tests be broken?

TRUMP: We have broken tests. We had tests that were obsolete. We had tests that didn’t take care of people.

“You didn’t read the book, did you, Donny?”

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:56:08am

re: #301 gocart mozart

Which movie? (I suspect I’m not seeing the source tweet.)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:57:00am

re: #297 plansbandc

Jesus fucking Christ.

307
Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:57:13am

re: #304 Belafon

I would really love to get a look at the 60 or so page Pandemic Playbook Obamas people left for Trump.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:57:23am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:58:03am

re: #300 I Would Prefer Not To

keep your friends close, keep your enemies…

In a chokehold? 😂

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stpaulbear  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:58:55am

re: #290 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Exactly — you all knew and followed the same rulebook. But Pence wouldn’t be telling anyone that the person who challenged him was correct, and asking anyone to stand up to him is asking a lot. (We all know who his boss is.)

(If I’d been the patient he visited on the other hand, I’d have started screaming the moment he entered, and used my illness as a shield.)

Yes!!

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 30, 2020 • 9:59:22am

re: #308 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Only if DT drinks it first and Pray it away drinks it next.

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steve_davis  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:00:10am

re: #26 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

I didn’t know he watched MSDNC (😂), but he must have seen The 11th Hour. In which Williams talked about DT’s failings regarding testing, etc., and his bad poll numbers.

“Fired like a dog.” How do you fire a dog?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:00:15am

re: #290 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Exactly — you all knew and followed the same rulebook. But Pence wouldn’t be telling anyone that the person who challenged him was correct, and asking anyone to stand up to him is asking a lot. (We all know who his boss is.)

(If I’d been the patient he visited on the other hand, I’d have started screaming the moment he entered, and used my illness as a shield.)

I wonder if the Mayo clinic parsed the patients to make sure they were Trump/Pence supporters to avoid any “scenes”…

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:00:16am

re: #307 Eclectic Cyborg

I would really love to get a look at the 60 or so page Pandemic Playbook Obamas people left for Trump.

the whole thing is linked in this article by politico

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:00:42am
316
Charmingly Persistent  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:03:47am

I feel like it’s a good idea to not buy anything on May 1st. This stuff has never made muh of a splash in the past, but maybe this time

317
PhillyPretzel  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:05:04am

re: #316 Charmingly Persistent

We will see what happens.

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makeitstop  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:06:28am

Here’s hoping Vlad shook hands with him recently.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:07:22am

re: #318 makeitstop

Same here. ::: evil grin :::

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:07:28am

re: #318 makeitstop

So can we assume he’ll fall out of a hospital window in a few days from now?

/

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:08:42am

re: #307 Eclectic Cyborg

I would really love to get a look at the 60 or so page Pandemic Playbook Obamas people left for Trump.

IIRC, it got posted somewhere.

322
Rightwingconspirator  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:11:41am

Well crap. A plumber is coming for a needed repair. That means I should make sure he is masked, fresh gloves at the front door and disinfect every square foot he occupies. Actually, to be cool to him, before and after he visits. Total bleach solution wipedown

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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:12:56am
324
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:15:45am

re: #297 plansbandc

[Embedded content]

California official calls for reopening so coronavirus can kill off the old and the weak: ‘It would also free up housing’
I have a better idea: Re-open the Nuremberg Tribunal so we can kill off some more of these Nazi fucks. It would free up housing, conserve oxygen and make millions of useless SUVs and pickups available for re-cycling.

325
Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:20:56am

re: #306 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Send that asshole this link: Image: nazi-party-poster-showing-how-disabled-people-cost-money-and-promoting-CNCJHX.jpg

and tell him his proposal might sound better in the original German.

326
Rightwingconspirator  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:21:42am

re: #324 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

And flood the AR-15 Tactifool market.

327
Rightwingconspirator  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:22:41am

re: #325 Dr Lizardo

Make him resign. I’m sure Elon Musk will give him a spot on the BOD.

328
lawhawk  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:24:37am

So, looks like the F-35 program has another big gap - namely that the Navy and Marine Corps versions can’t fly sustained above mach 1 without eroding the stealth materials that cover its surfaces. It also would damage sensors in the tail with sustained speeds above mach 1.

The military has decided these aren’t critical issues after all, and are allowing this to go uncorrected.

This would seriously hamper the Navy and Marine combat units, since they’re the ones most likely to see combat first, and foreign adversaries might try to take advantage of the speed gap to muscle through and attack. If you know that the plane has a problem with sustained speed above Mach 1, you know your enemy will try to use that against you.

Not good. Not good for a trillion dollar weapons system at all.

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retired cynic  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:31:23am

interesting educated take on LOL

My Native American father drew the Land O’Lakes maiden. She was never a stereotype. by Robert DesJarlait, WaPo

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:36:45am

re: #313 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I wonder if the Mayo clinic parsed the patients to make sure they were Trump/Pence supporters to avoid any “scenes”…

I should think they’d have asked if they wanted a visit. No explicit politics needed.

331
gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:37:43am
332
A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:38:15am

re: #316 Charmingly Persistent

[Embedded content]

I feel like it’s a good idea to not buy anything on May 1st. This stuff has never made muh of a splash in the past, but maybe this time

I will probably stop at a nearby restaurant for takeout, but no need to do anything else.

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retired cynic  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:38:24am

re: #330 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

I should think they’d have asked if they wanted a visit. No explicit politics needed.

Yes. When you are in the hospital, they ask if a student can come in and observe. I KNOW they would ask if you wanted the VPOTUS and cameras and hospital staff!

334
Rightwingconspirator  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:39:14am

re: #328 lawhawk

You know the same thing happens to the F-22 over time.
thedrive.com

Reskin jobs are going to be redesigned designated as “routine maintenance”. Who knew stealth tech was a little like a soft boiled egg?

The SuperHornet is going to get a lot of orders. I keep wondering why there is not an Air Force variant. I think there will be before the 6th gen design comes through.

335
gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:44:51am

Round II: The Frumining of the Fuckbonnet

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sagehen  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:45:28am

re: #316 Charmingly Persistent

[Embedded content]

I feel like it’s a good idea to not buy anything on May 1st. This stuff has never made muh of a splash in the past, but maybe this time

MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY

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Dread Pirate  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:45:42am

re: #334 Rightwingconspirator

You know the same thing happens to the F-22 over time.
thedrive.com

Reskin jobs are going to be redesigned as “routine maintenance”. Who knew stealth tech was a little like a soft boiled egg?

The SuperHornet is going to get a lot of orders. I keep wondering why there is not an Air Force variant. I think there will be before the 6th gen design comes through.

The Air Force has the F-15X which costs almost as much as the F-35A but is cheaper to fly. It just shows up on radar 100 miles further out than an F-35.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:46:46am

re: #335 gocart mozart

Round II: The Frumining of the Fuckbonnet

[Embedded content]

LOL. Simon always has the best insults.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:47:52am

re: #336 sagehen

And I am supposed to get a package on Saturday from amazon. I think it will be delayed.

340
lawhawk  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:49:01am

David Simon’s busy taking Frum behind the woodshed, feeding him into a wood chipper, and making it sound absolutely delightful:

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Rightwingconspirator  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:51:53am

re: #337 Dread Pirate

The Air Force has the F-15X which costs almost as much as the F-35A but is cheaper to fly. It just shows up on radar 100 miles further out than an F-35.

I had thought that the basis for export models only. But yeah that would be a good option apart from a far older airframe design. I suppose stealth “paint’ can be put on it same as it is the Superhornet.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2020 • 10:53:48am
Democratic primary voters in Cincinnati, Ohio on Tuesday gave the boot to a Trump rally-attending sheriff who collaborated with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) by wrongfully holding immigrants for deportation, The Appeal reports. Challenger Charmaine McGuffey, who will become Hamilton County’s first openly gay sheriff should she win the general election, ousted her former boss Jim Neil by a “resounding” 70% to 30%.

Immigration “loomed large over this sheriff’s primary,” The Appeal said. “Neil has long faced protests against his relationship with ICE. He honors ICE’s warrantless requests (detainers), which enable the agency to continue detaining certain people at the local jail beyond their scheduled release. McGuffey told the Political Report in March that she would no longer honor detainers if elected.”

dailykos.com

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lawhawk  Apr 30, 2020 • 11:01:23am

re: #337 Dread Pirate

The Air Force has the F-15X which costs almost as much as the F-35A but is cheaper to fly. It just shows up on radar 100 miles further out than an F-35.

The US is going to be buying 80 of those export variants as a follow on for the F-15E/F. It’s supposed to have better networking and allow it to be a weapons carrier for the F-22 and F-35 strike packages (think of how the F-117 cleared path for the F-14, F-15, F-16 packages that followed the initial raids during the Gulf War).

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stpaulbear  Apr 30, 2020 • 11:14:22am

re: #330 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

I should think they’d have asked if they wanted a visit. No explicit politics needed.

But I doubt they were asked if they wanted him to visit without a mask. They didn’t know about that until he walked in the door. If it was me in the room, I would have asked him to not talk to me and back off, but then I would have said ‘fuck no’ to any visit from Pence.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 30, 2020 • 11:36:49am

re: #306 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Jesus fucking Christ.

[Embedded content]

I replied to that ignorant motherfucker and my comment was flagged. MarkyMark made me delete it.

Sure is amazing how the Silicon Six suck elephant dicks.

346
Eventual Carrion  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:12:11pm

re: #339 PhillyPretzel

And I am supposed to get a package on Saturday from amazon. I think it will be delayed.

I ordered something from Kay Jeweler Outlet on March 26th for my wife’s birthday in April. It has yet to be shipped, and is still showing pending on my Kay account. But they sure grabbed the money from my account within hours of me making the purchase on the 26th.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2020 • 12:14:31pm

re: #344 stpaulbear

But I doubt they were asked if they wanted him to visit without a mask. They didn’t know about that until he walked in the door. If it was me in the room, I would have asked him to not talk to me and back off, but then I would have said ‘fuck no’ to any visit from Pence.

I might have removed *my* mask and coughed at him…

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John Hughes  May 2, 2020 • 5:03:58pm

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹🏡

It looks like the truck is stalled on the tracks, and the locomotive hits it at full speed.

I don’t know how Norway works. Here posted on our at-grade crossings is a sign telling people if they are stalled they should immediately call a telephone number for the railroad company to let them know.

The two at-grade crossings in my town both have private telephone boxes which connect directly to Union-Pacific.

As the tweet said:

des téléphones fixes sont disponibles de chaque côté permettant de contacter directement un opérateur pouvant arrêter les trains 🚦🚄


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