New Music From Nickel Creek: “Celebrants”

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Nickel Creek - Celebrants (Official Music Video)
From the new album Celebrants, out now: https://orcd.co/celebrants

Nickel Creek is Chris Thile, Sara Watkins, Sean Watkins
Bass: Jeff Picker

Director: Josh Goleman
Producer: Robert H. Dyar Jr
PA: Darrel Green
Engineer: Tim Reitnouer
Mix: David Boucher
Location: Layman Drug Company
Prod Co: Creative Team Studios

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:06:42am

North Dakota:

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Charles Johnson  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:06:52am

I don’t even know what to say about another school shooting. We’re utterly helpless to do anything about America’s insane addiction to guns.

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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:09:25am
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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:09:31am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I don’t even know what to say about another school shooting. We’re utterly helpless to do anything about America’s insane addiction to guns.

As long as stupid people vote for Republicans, the slaughter will continue.
Without the stupid vote, the party would not have the power to inflict the damage they do.

Maybe Democrats need to start lying to idiots like Republicans do.

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Nerdy Fish  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:09:53am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I don’t even know what to say about another school shooting. We’re utterly helpless to do anything about America’s insane addiction to guns.

This country is being held hostage, but the hostage takers are shooting the hostages and then saying, “Look what you made us do!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:12:37am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I don’t even know what to say about another school shooting. We’re utterly helpless to do anything about America’s insane addiction to guns.

Clearly, we need to start arming fourth graders.

/

Seriously, fuck this shit. It just infuriates me how this happens over and over and over and nobody does a goddamn thing about it (and no, “Thoughts and Prayers” don’t fucking count).

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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:12:51am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:12:55am
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Nerdy Fish  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:14:53am

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

a 28-year-old Nashville woman

And this was a Christian school. $20 says she was raped or otherwise sexually abused there.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:15:26am

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, at least they were braver than Uvalde police.

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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:16:15am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:18:53am
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rhuarc  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:19:11am

re: #9 Nerdy Fish

And this was a Christian school. $20 says she was raped or otherwise sexually abused there.

This was my first thought when it was disclosed the shooter was female.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:20:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:20:54am
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Nerdy Fish  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:20:55am

re: #13 rhuarc

This was my first thought when it was disclosed the shooter was female.

I mean, I really do hate to be That Guy and bring it up this early. It’s irresponsible speculation, but the sad thing is, there is very much a non-zero likelihood that it could be true. But that’s all I’m going to say on the matter; let’s let the verified news reports tell the story for us.

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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:22:37am
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William Lewis  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:22:37am

From downstairs. (blessings on you CL)

re: #416 The Ghost of a Flea

Two minutes on that account and: this is profoundly stupid. It’s very specific kind of preening dude stupidity; the facade of knowledge, a thin candy shell of classical erudition. What forty year old teenage boys and people who got into crypto think is cool.

This is the most basic, “impress people at cocktail parties” list possible. Half those books are laughably bad—Clausewitz is a red herring, Sun Tzu basically a laundry list scraped from prior materials. Gorin no Sho is…minimally applicable advice for swordfighting that’s only revolutionary if you’re a Meiji samurai accustomed to peace and overhyped McDojo sword schools. Anyone that advocates “the Prince” but not the Discourses is a poseur, and it’s especially stupid in context that they don’t mention Machiavelli’s own military manual.

But all that’s beside the point, because what’s really being presented is resentment: we’re such clever boys, isn’t it sad that the world won’t let us be in charge and get what we want?

God I hate it when Lacan is right.

They were all interesting when I was a teen.
For swords, read George Silver instead.
For tactics, stay in the modern world and get a copy of FM 3-90 from the US Army.
All of Machiavelli is meh.
I will admit to finding Sun Tsu the most useful of the bunch but that’s not saying a whole lot. BH Liddel Hart’s take on him in “Strategy” is better still, though the guys huge ego gets in the way of the knowledge and lets not get started on his promotion of the “clean Wehrmacht” & glorification of Rommel…

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(((Archangel1)))  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:23:19am

re: #359 William Lewis

That would be like … 20 MILLION in the streets here? Holy catfish batman!

Bit more than that actually:

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:23:50am

re: #13 rhuarc

This was my first thought when it was disclosed the shooter was female.

It’s not uncommon for school shooters to have been abused at school, but we usually focus the blame on the shooter.

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William Lewis  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:24:28am

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Went to the sound of shooting.” At least they weren’t cowards.

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Nerdy Fish  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:24:55am

re: #20 Crush White Nationalism

It’s not uncommon for school shooters to have been abused at school, but we usually focus the blame on the shooter.

And that would still be true here. Just saying, as motivations go, that’s the obvious one.

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Belafon  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:25:55am

re: #16 Nerdy Fish

I mean, I really do hate to be That Guy and bring it up this early. It’s irresponsible speculation, but the sad thing is, there is very much a non-zero likelihood that it could be true. But that’s all I’m going to say on the matter; let’s let the verified news reports tell the story for us.

If it’s true, and I am going to be seriously cynical here, it will be used by the Right as proof that women are too emotional to hold office.

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(((Archangel1)))  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:27:21am

re: #17 jaunte

Good on her.
In terms of interrupting Fox News and other right-wing echo chamber outlets, such interruptions need to happen much more often until shootings stop happening so damned often.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:28:41am

re: #16 Nerdy Fish

I mean, I really do hate to be That Guy and bring it up this early. It’s irresponsible speculation, but the sad thing is, there is very much a non-zero likelihood that it could be true. But that’s all I’m going to say on the matter; let’s let the verified news reports tell the story for us.

Laurie Dann, the female shooter in Illinois, was mentally ill. Let’s wait to see whether they can determine the motivation of the murderer in this case.

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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:29:39am

re: #24 (((Archangel1)))

She has such clarity compared with the thoughts and prayers mushmouth brigade.

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Nerdy Fish  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:29:59am

re: #25 Hecuba’s daughter

Laurie Dann, the female shooter in Illinois, was mentally ill. Let’s wait to see whether they can determine the motivation of the murderer in this case.

I agree; I’m sorry. It’s one of those times I couldn’t resist, but I really shouldn’t have put that out there on the Internet.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:30:03am
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mmmirele  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:30:20am

Just to give an update on my dental issues: I’ve got the pain under control with Tylenol and ibuprofen. I have an appointment Wednesday morning to hopefully get the final root out. In the meantime, I am off work this week and will be spending time over at my mother’s so my brother can get things done around the house.

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TedStriker  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:33:17am

As a Nashvillian (and as, hopefully, a fairly decent person), today’s shooting at Covenant School (which, even though I’m off today, is maybe a couple of miles away from my office as the crow flies) makes me fucking ill.

At this point, I can’t and really don’t want to armchair quarterback what’s happened, I just can’t.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:38:38am
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mmmirele  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:40:44am

Dunno if this got posted or not. Robert Downen was one of the reporters at the Houston Chronicle who exposed how the SBC basically kept predatory pastors around, even if they’d been convicted of abuse. Downen has since moved on to the Texas Tribune, where he is on the extremism beat, but he has this blockbuster story about Paul Pressler, one of the architects of the Southern Baptist conservative resurgence in the 1980s.

The story is here: texastribune.org

Yeah, so a GOP operative knew that Pressler was likely assaulting kids and adults, yeah, that’s a thing. We’re talking the GOP. But the blockbuster part to me is the email the First Baptist Church of Houston sent to Pressler in 2004. Apparently Pressler pressured a young man (adult) and member of FBC to go skinny dipping with him and the young man complained. Here’s a link to the PDF:

Pressler was mentioned in the SBC report that came out last May (although it had to be ascertained, his name was not mentioned). But this is the deal—these men KNEW that Pressler was doing this shiz, and they gave him a slap on the wrist. Sorry, this is complete and utter bullshit, especially when these are the same people losing their shiz over drag queen story hour. It’s completely fucked up. /sorry not sorry to rant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:41:54am
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Nerdy Fish  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:42:19am

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

She’s not wrong. Yes, people like Brad are dumb, and wrong. But they’re WILLFULLY dumb, and wrong, because they WANT to believe the cult leader. Showing them the facts isn’t going to change their minds, it’s just going to break their brain and make them invent ever crazier conspiracy theories to explain why their version of reality doesn’t line up with ours. The ONLY way to end this cycle is to un-program them, so that they’re inclined to re-evaluate these beliefs that they came to only by virtue of being indoctrinated in the cult.

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lawhawk  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:42:39am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

The only difference in this one: a woman is the shooter. That’s more unusual given that most mass shootings are carried out by white guys.

This mass shooting will be out of the news once the next one hits, which statistically speaking means about 48 hours, give or take 12 hours.

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No Malarkey!  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:47:21am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I don’t even know what to say about another school shooting. We’re utterly helpless to do anything about America’s insane addiction to guns.

This time it was their children who were slaughtered (private Christian academy) and they still won’t do Jack shit to stop it, I guarantee it.

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wrenchwench  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:52:00am

re: #30 TedStriker

As a Nashvillian (and as, hopefully, a fairly decent person), today’s shooting at Covenant School (which, even though I’m off today, is maybe a couple of miles away from my office as the crow flies) makes me fucking ill.

As this point, I can’t and don’t want to armchair quarterback what’s happened, I just can’t.

Speculation about specifics in the latest case is always too soon. Talking about the topic more generally is always too late, because another one has happened.

The only way to political power is to organize. I just gave my email address to this group. I can’t do money at this point, but I am proceeding with the signup to be one of them. Make it us.

everytown.org

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Charles Johnson  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:52:01am
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No Malarkey!  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:55:42am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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Give the people a witch to hunt, and they will fall for it every time.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:56:03am

re: #36 No Malarkey!

This time it was their children who were slaughtered (private Christian academy) and they still won’t do Jack shit to stop it, I guarantee it.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:56:52am

re: #18 William Lewis

I’m…fascinated…by Niccolo Macchiavelli. Firenze is this petri dish of political experimentation—gangster monarchy, Savonarola’s Bonfire of the Vanities, and the failed republic all happen in generation, a microcosm of European ferment—and that he’s a philosopher that both advocates for a republic to the point he gets tortured by the Medicis, and writes a manual for princes (a standardized text you made for a patron) that actually addresses the reality of absolute control just makes me wonder about the dude.

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Nerdy Fish  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:57:06am

re: #39 No Malarkey!

Give the people a witch to hunt, and they will fall for it every time.

“We’ve found a witch! May we burn her?”
“Sure.”
“YAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!” *happy crowd goes off to burn a witch*
— SIX MONTHS LATER —
“We’re bored! We’re hungry! We’re tired! Why won’t you do anything about this?!?”
“Hey, look, a witch! It’s all her fault!”
*REPEAT AD INFINITUM*

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:58:24am

re: #42 Nerdy Fish

“We’ve found a witch! May we burn her?”
“Sure.”
“YAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!” *happy crowd goes off to burn a witch*
— SIX MONTHS LATER —
“We’re bored! We’re hungry! We’re tired! Why won’t you do anything about this?!?”
“Hey, look, a witch! It’s all her fault!”
*REPEAT AD INFINITUM*

The monsters arrived on Maple Street… and held a political rally.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 11:58:56am
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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:00:27pm
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Nerdy Fish  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:00:27pm

re: #44 Crush White Nationalism

Gun nuts: “It’s a parental problem. Parents don’t parent anymore.”
Parents: “I blame violence in video games.”
Games: “Personal responsibility?”
Personal responsibility: *AFK*

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electrotek  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:03:39pm

re: #45 jaunte

And one that was a staunch ally of the Bush administration.

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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:07:15pm

Texas lege springs into action.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:07:44pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ve been saying it for years. Treatment for Fascist Brain Worms will be extensive and expensive.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:08:43pm
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Jay C  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:12:24pm

re: #44 Crush White Nationalism

Well, let’s see: mass shooting at a private “Christian” school, so they can’t rely on the old “secularism in schools” wheeze (this time), but I’m sure some of the classic excuse-mongering will be showing up on the “Net before too long (if it hasn’t already): probably all headed by that all-time favorite golden-oldie: “Gun-grabbers are politicizing a tragedy!!!”.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:12:37pm

“Perpetual motion machine” - when charged via USB.
Perpetual motion is easy if you keep feeding energy to the system.

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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:13:26pm

re: #51 Jay C

@0liviajulianna
“…When tragedy is caused by political negligence and a hunger for power— it is inherently political. “

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:13:43pm

Mental health palate cleanse

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Markm1960  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:14:36pm

re: #40 Crush White Nationalism

I was thinking that in Ireland the death of Savita Halappanavar, one single person, was enough to give them the backbone to change a cruel and unjust law. I wondered if we would have the equivalent of Ms Halappanavar here in the US and maybe use that person as a rallying point to roll back some craziness. Then reality smacked me in the face again today and I realized that if we don’t care about scores of kids getting shot in schools, people gunned down in malls, concerts and theaters, that we as a country don’t care about any individual life that is not our own.

We would rather have our ego extenders than save lives. Not all of us don’t care, but enough don’t care, and that stops all attempts to fix ourselves.

Btw I own fire arms and do enjoy shooting. However my weapons have been in storage for a while because I just don’t want to be associated with that crowd anymore.

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Nerdy Fish  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:15:14pm

re: #50 Crush White Nationalism

There have been convictions for seditious conspiracy. I remember the day the first person was convicted of that charge, because we all went, “Yup, it’s officially an insurrection now.”

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:17:40pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, they learned something from Uvalde?

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:19:11pm

re: #44 Crush White Nationalism

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Jane of the North is incorrect, there were 14 students killed in the Ecole Polytechnique shooting.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:21:58pm

re: #55 Markm1960

I was thinking that in Ireland the death of Savita Halappanavar, one single person, was enough to give them the backbone to change a cruel and unjust law. I wondered if we would have the equivalent of Ms Halappanavar here in the US and maybe use that person as a rallying point to roll back some craziness. Then reality smacked me in the face again today and I realized that if we don’t care about scores of kids getting shot in schools, people gunned down in malls, concerts and theaters, that we as a country don’t care about any individual life that is not our own.

We would rather have our ego extenders than save lives. Not all of us don’t care, but enough don’t care, and that stops all attempts to fix ourselves.

Btw I own fire arms and do enjoy shooting. However my weapons have been in storage for a while because I just don’t want to be associated with that crowd anymore.

I doubt that there is a single (or maybe even series of) event(s) that would cause a sea change in the gun craziness.
a. Mass shootings of school children. (repeatedly at this point)
b. GOP congressmen shot on a baseball field.*
c. C&W concert shot up.
d. Capitol insurrection where congress critters were pretty close to directly threatened.

I expect the excuse making, conspiracy theories, false flag claims, etc. would still just be there even if there was something like the violent explicit takeover of a conservative state’s legislative session by a bunch of gun nuts.

* - This one, if any, sort of surprised me by not generating more of a reaction since it was some of the oligarchy itself getting shot up rather than followers or others they considered expendable.

The gun cannot fail. It can only be failed.

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dat_said  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:24:16pm

re: #52 Crush White Nationalism

“Perpetual motion machine” - when charged via USB.
Perpetual motion is easy if you keep feeding energy to the system.

[Embedded content]

Reminded me of Joseph Newman’s “revolutionary energy machine”. Newman was literally barnstorming farm towns in Iowa and Minnesota and other midwest states extolling his invention and begging for money to overcome the evil government and corporations that wanted to silence him.

To my educational shame, one of my college physics professors at NDSU, Roger Hastings, was his technical expert:

Newman and physicist Hastings disputed the National Bureau of Standards methodology for testing the machine. In the testing process, the Bureau grounded the energy machine, which dispersed much of its generated energy before it could be measured, Newman said. In his own tests of the machine, Hastings said that he never has had less than 100 percent results.

Actually ended up meeting up with Roger Hastings later in life when I was working at a major medical device manufacturer in the Twin Cities of MN. Upper management had brought him in as a consultant and was perplexed to say the least when I discussed my previous encounters with Roger. Definitely a brilliant guy, but one of those with huge blind spots that dismiss reality as merely unimaginative thinking.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:24:49pm

CNN initially botched the story. What’s a teenage woman? An 18 or 19-year old?

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:25:00pm

re: #39 No Malarkey!

Give the people a witch to hunt, and they will fall for it every time.

Humans love to hate.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:26:28pm

re: #34 Nerdy Fish

She’s not wrong. Yes, people like Brad are dumb, and wrong. But they’re WILLFULLY dumb, and wrong, because they WANT to believe the cult leader. Showing them the facts isn’t going to change their minds, it’s just going to break their brain and make them invent ever crazier conspiracy theories to explain why their version of reality doesn’t line up with ours. The ONLY way to end this cycle is to un-program them, so that they’re inclined to re-evaluate these beliefs that they came to only by virtue of being indoctrinated in the cult.

But it’s not indoctrination that they’ve been forced to take on; these are voluntary participants in their own radicalization, and that is happening because they enjoy the license they are granted by their positions.

You can’t convince them with facts because facts are not how they ascertain truth: truth is what feels gratifying, what tells them they are virtuous and special. Reality is a consumer product: they purchase the version they like. Donald Trump is their leader because he appeases them, gives them what they want, not because he has any particular persuasive magic that fools them or bends their reasons. They love him because he promises them the cruelty and revenge they feel they are owed; Trump imitators fail by comparison because they emphasize procedural paper cuts at the same targets. Trump is fully engaged in the kind of total, self-involved power fantasy of absolute pettiness as the whole of the law.

What they want is to punish people until the world recognizes that they are right and good, and it is good that they enjoy cruelty because they have perfect discernment of who deserves harm…and their utopia is just that the punishment will continue forever.

You can’t deprogram them because there’s no program, no Svengali making them do this. Fascism is a rational position if your base assumption is that you are a better kind of person, and all inferior kinds of people should be treated less well: it’s stupid and it will fail because those assumptions are horseshit, but merely adopting the idea isn’t a matter of being tricked or deluded…the fascist vision of self interest requires the use of all forms of coercion to sort people into castes and keep them in place.

They’re doing it because they like it: this is winning, this is self-actualization; the goal is cleansing violence followed by the new apartheid inside the country and the new empire outside. They’re close to the Children of God—where at some point the point of being there was to be part of the abuse—than to The People’s Temple.

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austin_blue  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:27:04pm

Today is the 85th day of the year and this is the 128th mass shooting nationwide,

We’re Number one! We’re Number ONE!

With a bullet.

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EPR-radar  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:27:29pm

re: #59 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I doubt that there is a single (or maybe even series of) event(s) that would cause a sea change in the gun craziness.
a. Mass shootings of school children. (repeatedly at this point)
b. GOP congressmen shot on a baseball field.*
c. C&W concert shot up.
d. Capitol insurrection where congress critters were pretty close to directly threatened.

I expect the excuse making, conspiracy theories, false flag claims, etc. would still just be there even if there was something like the violent explicit takeover of a conservative state’s legislative session by a bunch of gun nuts.

* - This one, if any, sort of surprised me by not generating more of a reaction since it was some of the oligarchy itself getting shot up rather than followers or others they considered expendable.

The gun cannot fail. It can only be failed.

Armed Black Panthers peacefully open carrying is the only thing that’s been known to work, but honestly it’s disgraceful to ask black people to fix this white people problem at their own risk.

Also, regarding the GOP member of Congress that got shot, he’s a minion of the oligarchy, not an oligarch himself. That’s true of nearly all GOP members of Congress.

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TedStriker  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:27:35pm

re: #57 Romantic Heretic

So, they learned something from Uvalde?

Metro, like any major city police force, has their issues for sure, but they tend to do their duty when they need to.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:29:03pm
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BeenHereAwhile  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:30:04pm

re: #41 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m…fascinated…by Niccolo Macchiavelli. Firenze is this petri dish of political experimentation—gangster monarchy, Savonarola’s Bonfire of the Vanities, and the failed republic all happen in generation, a microcosm of European ferment—and that he’s a philosopher that both advocates for a republic to the point he gets tortured by the Medicis, and writes a manual for princes (a standardized text you made for a patron) that actually addresses the reality of absolute control just makes me wonder about the dude.

Plus Machiavelli got to hang out with Leonardo da Vinci.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:30:18pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:30:28pm

re: #62 Romantic Heretic

Humans love to hate.

I’m not sure it’s as much as hate it is wanting to have someone / something else to blame all your problems on.

That way you can convince yourself that YOU didn’t do anything wrong. It’s some other person or group or religion that’s screwing you and causing all the consequences happening from YOUR bad choices.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:30:43pm

re: #65 EPR-radar

Armed Black Panthers peacefully open carrying is the only thing that’s been known to work, but honestly it’s disgraceful to ask black people to fix this white people problem at their own risk.

Also, regarding the GOP member of Congress that got shot, he’s a minion of the oligarchy, not an oligarch himself. That’s true of nearly all GOP members of Congress.

With the militarization of the police that has gotten on I expect anything like the armed Black Panthers on any sort of scale to end in a lot of blood. And probably in more laws or better enforcement of laws, but not along the lines of gun control as compared to ones okaying police violence and violation of due process and civil rights whenever the police “feeling threatened”.

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aatharuv  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:30:57pm

re: #55 Markm1960

I was thinking that in Ireland the death of Savita Halappanavar, one single person, was enough to give them the backbone to change a cruel and unjust law. I wondered if we would have the equivalent of Ms Halappanavar here in the US and maybe use that person as a rallying point to roll back some craziness. Then reality smacked me in the face again today and I realized that if we don’t care about scores of kids getting shot in schools, people gunned down in malls, concerts and theaters, that we as a country don’t care about any individual life that is not our own.

We would rather have our ego extenders than save lives. Not all of us don’t care, but enough don’t care, and that stops all attempts to fix ourselves.

Btw I own fire arms and do enjoy shooting. However my weapons have been in storage for a while because I just don’t want to be associated with that crowd anymore.

The Irish were horrified enough about the death of one relatively recent immigrant to their nation to change their constitution. However many American kids, whether they be the children of recent immigrants to 12th generation Americans is _never_ enough to change the minds of the NRA types.

It is my understanding from talking to Irish citizens (and people married to Irish citizens) that it triggered yet another backlash against the Catholic Church’s remaining malignant theocratic influence over a rapidly secularizing Ireland. And the rapid secularization was because of the Catholic Church’s actions (including priestly abuse).

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:33:14pm

No actual story at link. Just a paragraph repeating the headline.
Liv Tyler Joins ‘Captain America: New World Order,’ Reprising Role From 2008’s ‘The Incredible Hulk’ (Variety)

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:35:47pm

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

I think of hate in terms of addiction.

The triad of negative emotions; fear, anger, and hatred; trigger the ‘flight-or-flight’ reflex that floods the body with the same chemicals as crack cocaine. It’s a real fucking high.

A lot of people end up addicted, and some people make a living peddling this drug to the masses. (cough)Fox News.(cough)

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EPR-radar  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:35:49pm

re: #63 The Ghost of a Flea

This line of thinking has extremely depressing conclusions. Basically, a civilized society needs to censor the expression of fascist ideas to try to stop it from flourishing. The alternative, which we seem to be headed toward, is that the fascists feel frisky enough to try to take over by force, at which point they win or lose, and if they lose their extermination would be justified.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:38:09pm

Indiana:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:39:18pm
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Nerdy Fish  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:41:33pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

So they’ll take the income eligibility requirements off of school vouchers, but if you want to feed poor people with government money, there has to be a work requirement. Got it.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:43:01pm
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DodgerFan1988  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:46:55pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:48:43pm

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens (The Onion, two hours ago)

NASHVILLE, TN—In the hours following a violent rampage in Tennessee in which a lone attacker killed at least six individuals and injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Tennessee resident Laura Campbell, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:49:43pm

re: #80 DodgerFan1988

I’m sure they can quickly come up with a law banning women from being allowed to carry firearms. After all, they weren’t historically part of the militia whose arming the 2nd Amendment says cannot be interfered with.
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Jay C  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:53:14pm

re: #61 Crush White Nationalism

CNN initially botched the story. What’s a teenage woman? An 18 or 19-year old?

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I think it was because one (?/some?) of the initial eyewitness reports said the shooter “looked like a teenager”, so CNN obviously just ran with it (shooter was 28, fwiw).

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Thanos  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:55:07pm

Aside: trying out a new coffee from the Tarrazu region of Costa Rica, I will let you know how it goes.
amazon.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:55:53pm

another derailment today:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:56:31pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:58:33pm
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Nerdy Fish  Mar 27, 2023 • 12:59:14pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

How many school shooters have been arrested to date? Not many. If the police didn’t kill them, they killed themselves, for the most part. The death penalty isn’t going to change that, Lord Voldemort.

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sagehen  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:02:16pm

Beau takes notice of Nebraska filibuster

Let’s talk about Nebraska, allies, and holding the line….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:05:26pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:05:44pm

re: #298 Belafon

This explains why we survived hitting an elk at sixty miles per hour (1:11)

Youtube Video

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:06:04pm
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William Lewis  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:07:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:07:59pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:13:14pm

re: #88 Nerdy Fish

How many school shooters have been arrested to date? Not many. If the police didn’t kill them, they killed themselves, for the most part. The death penalty isn’t going to change that, Lord Voldemort.

Wouldn’t have made any difference in todays events.

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No Malarkey!  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:14:28pm
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steve_davis  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:17:06pm

re: #84 Thanos

Aside: trying out a new coffee from the Tarrazu region of Costa Rica, I will let you know how it goes.
amazon.com

i’m now starting a subscription service (atlas, I think) where they monthly send me coffee from around the world. We’ll see how this goes. I have to wonder if by the time I’ve put cream in it I’d really be able to appreciate the difference between my just-ground online subscription coffee and the Ingles just-ground Colombian coffee that I can get for a third of the price.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:18:01pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:18:51pm
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Mattand  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:18:52pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chris Christie tells Fox there are already enough laws to regulate guns, and says the focus should be on school security and mental health

Every time I see Christie and think about how people here fell all over themselves to fucking elect him twice, I realize how stupid the electorate can get.

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Thanos  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:20:41pm

re: #97 steve_davis

i’m now starting a subscription service (atlas, I think) where they monthly send me coffee from around the world. We’ll see how this goes. I have to wonder if by the time I’ve put cream in it I’d really be able to appreciate the difference between my just-ground online subscription coffee and the Ingles just-ground Colombian coffee that I can get for a third of the price.

I drink mine black so the amount of acid makes a difference, it’s why I go light roast. (that & the more caffeine thing…)

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No Malarkey!  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:21:44pm

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Wouldn’t have made any difference in todays events.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:22:01pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:22:01pm

re: #100 Mattand

Every time I see Christie and think about how people here fell all over themselves to fucking elect him twice, I realize how stupid the electorate can get.

And it’s not like New Jersey is a red state hellhole.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:22:58pm

Americans are so goddamn broken. There are already tons of people saying it’s “suspicious” that the survivor of the Highland Park, IL parade shooting happened to be a couple of blocks away from Covenant today (she’s the one who took the mic from Fox).

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:24:13pm

re: #101 Thanos

I drink mine black so the amount of acid makes a difference, it’s why I go light roast. (that & the more caffeine thing…)

I love Costa Rican coffee, but it’s been hard to find these last few years where I live. Maybe I’ll use your link.

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sagehen  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:25:29pm

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Wouldn’t have made any difference in todays events.

If she’d been noticed by the cops a block before she got to the school, with a weapon in each hand and another in a holster or slung across her back… they couldn’t have done anything about it. Because she hadn’t broken any laws yet. It wasn’t until she actually pulled a trigger that she did something illegal.

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Thanos  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:25:31pm

re: #106 Barefoot Grin

I love Costa Rican coffee, but it’s been hard to find these last few years where I live. Maybe I’ll use your link.

Yes, Tarrazu is equivalent in my book to Jamaican blue mountain, right elevation, perfect volcanic soil.

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EPR-radar  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:25:41pm

re: #105 Barefoot Grin

Americans are so goddamn broken. There are already tons of people saying it’s “suspicious” that the survivor of the Highland Park, IL parade shooting happened to be a couple of blocks away from Covenant today (she’s the one who took the mic from Fox).

These idiots are almost certainly Republicans or new voters for Trump in 2020.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:26:54pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s always the same hollow bullshit with these people. Oh, and they always got to throw in the fawning “thank you” to the police and First Responders.

But fuck all those terrified parents and kids, apparently.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:28:46pm

re: #105 Barefoot Grin

Americans are so goddamn broken. There are already tons of people saying it’s “suspicious” that the survivor of the Highland Park, IL parade shooting happened to be a couple of blocks away from Covenant today (she’s the one who took the mic from Fox).

already seeing this bullshit:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:28:57pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also:

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No Malarkey!  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:30:59pm

Tennessee Republicans will blame the mental health crisis, but then won’t actually do anything to provide access to mental health treatment. It’s just a thing to say until people move on to the next mass shooting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:31:08pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:31:37pm

re: #110 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s always the same hollow bullshit with these people. Oh, and they always got to throw in the fawning “thank you” to the police and First Responders.

But fuck all those terrified parents and kids, apparently.

I know it’s impossible to get honest work out of a Republican official, but I’d sure like to see the worst of these gun humpers tasked with responding to an active shooter situation and cleaning up the carnage afterward.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:33:56pm

re: #59 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I doubt that there is a single (or maybe even series of) event(s) that would cause a sea change in the gun craziness.
a. Mass shootings of school children. (repeatedly at this point)
b. GOP congressmen shot on a baseball field.*
c. C&W concert shot up.
d. Capitol insurrection where congress critters were pretty close to directly threatened.

I expect the excuse making, conspiracy theories, false flag claims, etc. would still just be there even if there was something like the violent explicit takeover of a conservative state’s legislative session by a bunch of gun nuts.

* - This one, if any, sort of surprised me by not generating more of a reaction since it was some of the oligarchy itself getting shot up rather than followers or others they considered expendable.

The gun cannot fail. It can only be failed.

He survived; the only death was the shooter. They are fine with shooting deaths of anyone who is not a Trump loyalist; they literally don’t care. The government murdered Michael Reinoehl in Oregon — and they were fine with that; OTOH Ashli Babbitt, an insurrectionist in the middle of committing a crime, is a cause celebre. There is nothing that will cause Republicans to change their minds EXCEPT losing elections.

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Mattand  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:34:45pm

re: #104 EPR-radar

And it’s not like New Jersey is a red state hellhole.

Yeah, we’ve got this quasi-purple thing going where every so often a Republican sneaks into the guy’s chair. I’ve mentioned this before, but I had a neighbor up the street who was a teacher and all-in on Christie.

The same Christie who literally wanted to make this guy’s life miserable by destroying any and all teachers’ unions.

It was a real “Cows demanding people eat more steak” situation. The neighbor didn’t like the unions, which, okay, fine. I don’t think he ever thought through the notion that without the union, he’d be making probably 40% less and have few, if any, benefits.

And, IIRC, the Newark Star-Ledger ran an op-ed that said “We hate Christie, but we are endorsing him anyway.” The Dem challenger wasn’t exactly setting the state on fire, so the paper went with the guy who they detested because… reasons? Whatever.

So we got that going for us. Yay, NJ.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:37:28pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

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William Lewis  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:37:43pm

And in the “You really stepped on your d*ck: category…

U.S. Army Pulls New Ads After Actor’s Arrest

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Jay C  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:37:55pm

re: #115 EPR-radar

I know it’s impossible to get honest work out of a Republican official, but I’d sure like to see the worst of these gun humpers tasked with responding to an active shooter situation and cleaning up the carnage afterward.

Why? All they would be likely to do is slack off on the actual job, and then take to social media to bitch and gripe about “Big Government overreach”, and try diligently and/or viciously to shift the blame onto Anybody Else ( preferably whoever the RW boogeyman-of-the-week is at the time).

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No Malarkey!  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:38:40pm

re: #116 Hecuba’s daughter

He survived; the only death was the shooter. They are fine with shooting deaths of anyone who is not a Trump loyalist; they literally don’t care. The government murdered Michael Reinoehl in Oregon — and they were fine with that; OTOH Ashli Babbitt, an insurrectionist in the middle of committing a crime, is a cause celebre. There is nothing that will cause Republicans to change their minds EXCEPT losing elections.

Exactly right. Republicans cannot be shamed or reasoned with. The only way we get any positive shit done is by voting Democrats into power. Period.

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No Malarkey!  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:39:40pm

re: #119 William Lewis

And in the “You really stepped on your d*ck: category…

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I saw his lawyer claims the woman has already recanted her story in writing.

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EPR-radar  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:40:27pm

re: #120 Jay C

Why? All they would be likely to do is slack off on the actual job, and then take to social media to bitch and gripe about “Big Government overreach”, and try diligently and/or viciously to shift the blame onto Anybody Else ( preferably whoever the RW boogeyman-of-the-week is at the time).

That’s the part about it being impossible to get honest work out of them. But “tasked” was a poor choice of word on my part — “forced at gunpoint” is much more what I was thinking.

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No Malarkey!  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:40:53pm

re: #123 EPR-radar

That’s the part about it being impossible to get honest work out of them. But “tasked” was a poor choice of word on my part — “forced at gunpoint” is much more what I was thinking.

Like Nazis after WWII

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No Malarkey!  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:42:50pm

re: #121 No Malarkey!

Exactly right. Republicans cannot be shamed or reasoned with. The only way we get any positive shit done is by voting Democrats into power. Period.

Case in point: Michigan voted Democrats into power, and shit is getting done.

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Dangerman  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:43:11pm

re: #118 Crush White Nationalism

rick:
your solution is to kill school shooters after they’ve shot up a school?

that’s the extent of your thinking?

not prevent it from happening?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:43:58pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

Damn I wish they’d arrest her for interfering with an investigation.

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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:44:49pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:50:54pm

re: #4 Crush White Nationalism

As long as stupid people vote for Republicans, the slaughter will continue.
Without the stupid vote, the party would not have the power to inflict the damage they do.

Maybe Democrats need to start lying to idiots like Republicans do.

Conservatism kills.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:51:27pm
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Jay C  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:53:34pm

re: #128 jaunte

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Nice watercolor there (Sargent did have the talent): though it looks more like those gondoliers are shooting the rapids on the Colorado (while making sure the ladies get thoroughly doused)…. 😸

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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:55:35pm

re: #131 Jay C

Pretty great impression of sun on stone; he may have gotten to the right hand corner and decided he needed more action in the composition!

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:56:26pm

Cat toys destroy rechargeable batteries. I went through a lot of regular batteries before I though to do this.

The toys are glued to the rug, with power wires running underneath. The rug was chosen for its loose weave, so I could easily pass wires through it.

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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:56:46pm

The reflection of the water on the shiny side of the gondola is amazing, too.

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Dangerman  Mar 27, 2023 • 1:58:24pm

dems in a nutshell

not him. but we got no idea who instead.

A new Monmouth poll finds 44% of Democrats do not want President Biden to seek re-election, even though 74% have a favorable opinion of him.

Also interesting: 51% of the Democratic electorate cannot offer a name when asked who they would like to see as the party’s nominee if Biden does not run.

Among those who do have a preferred alternative, Vice President Kamala Harris (13%) is the only potential contender who registers above single digits.

doesnt mean they wont support him…

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Dangerman  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:02:08pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Conservatism kills.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:02:20pm

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Jay C  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:07:06pm

re: #132 jaunte

A bit of artistic license in action, here (I think). From my sole visit to Venice (1974, so “yesterday” by Venetian standards) ISTR the Bridge of Sighs spans a side canal overshadowed by tall buildings, so Sargent’s sun-splashed depiction seems a bit - ummm, optimistic. Still a nice pic, tho

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:09:01pm

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BigPapa  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:09:10pm

The worst people are identifying two different transwomen as the shooter. They’re being as horrible as you would think.

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Targetpractice  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:10:46pm

re: #135 Dangerman

dems in a nutshell

not him. but we got no idea who instead.

doesnt mean they wont support him…

Well, to be honest, I did actually believe the talk that he was only running to be a placeholder for 4 years before stepping aside for somebody younger and more progressive. Yeah, I didn’t quite believe at the time that Trump would be so deranged that he’d stage an unsuccessful coup or that the GQP would continue to support him even after he did, and I’m rather satisfied with the way Joe has been running things since. But…well…I’d still rather like him to step aside and let somebody else run.

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No Malarkey!  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:10:52pm

re: #136 Dangerman

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I was wondering, if every mass school shooting was at a private Christian academy where good Republicans send their kids, how many would it take before they would finally vote for sensible gun laws. I believe the answer is that it wouldn’t make any difference. They love their guns even more than their own children.

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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:12:12pm

re: #142 No Malarkey!

It would have to be mass shootings at Republican events, whIch they are EXTREMELY careful to protect.

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sagehen  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:12:58pm

re: #125 No Malarkey!

Case in point: Michigan voted Democrats into power, and shit is getting done.

“they also passed a bill requiring safe storage of firearms in homes where a minor is present.”

Here in NYC, I can’t even have open windows in an apartment where a minor is present. They require child-guard bars on every window in the place. (only required if there’s kids under 10, but also recommended for cat owners. Because there’s a sunny ledge right by the window.)

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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:13:10pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:14:01pm

re: #142 No Malarkey!

I was wondering, if every mass school shooting was at a private Christian academy where good Republicans send their kids, how many would it take before they would finally vote for sensible gun laws. I believe the answer is that it wouldn’t make any difference. They love their guns even more than their own children.

They wouldn’t vote for stronger gun laws…they’d vote billions for themselves to turn those schools in armed forts with enough firepower to halt the Wehrmacht, then crow about how “safe” it is that their kids effectively go to maximum security prisons.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:15:17pm

re: #142 No Malarkey!

I was wondering, if every mass school shooting was at a private Christian academy where good Republicans send their kids, how many would it take before they would finally vote for sensible gun laws. I believe the answer is that it wouldn’t make any difference. They love their guns even more than their own children.

there’s a lot of grift to be made on the backs of dead children, even more grift when it’s their own children

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Joe Bacon  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:16:14pm

Hmmm did someone hit the crack pipe again?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:16:44pm

re: #145 jaunte

Welcome to our rally celebrating FREEDOM!

…Now, here’s all the stuff you can’t bring in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:17:03pm
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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:17:19pm

She sure turned out to not be a remotely reliable person.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:18:26pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, that’s a real mtg tweet

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:18:28pm

Absolutely nobody could have seen this kind of thing coming.

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Targetpractice  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:18:46pm

re: #148 Joe Bacon

Hmmm did someone hit the crack pipe again?

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Yeah, this is insanity that is not magically going to go away even if Trump drops dead tomorrow. These people genuinely would vote for his dead corpse and argue that every expulsion of putrid gases was the greatest speech of their lifetimes.

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Markm1960  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:18:56pm

re: #145 jaunte

Appliances? WTF who is attending these things (rhetorical - I know the answer)

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:20:49pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:22:41pm

MTG is a cancer.

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Belafon  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:24:05pm

re: #153 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Absolutely nobody could have seen this kind of thing coming.

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They took a meme and made it into a trans person:

If you hear any variation on the name Sam Hyde, laugh.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:25:06pm

re: #153 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Absolutely nobody could have seen this kind of thing coming.

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Targetpractice  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:28:14pm

Ah, it wouldn’t be a mass shooting without the MAGAts rushing to find a “liberal” they can blame it on.

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wrenchwench  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:32:27pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, that’s a real mtg tweet

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The logical conclusion is that MTG only likes guns because she’s abusing testosterone.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:33:07pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:33:08pm

re: #75 EPR-radar

This line of thinking has extremely depressing conclusions. Basically, a civilized society needs to censor the expression of fascist ideas to try to stop it from flourishing. The alternative, which we seem to be headed toward, is that the fascists feel frisky enough to try to take over by force, at which point they win or lose, and if they lose their extermination would be justified.

You can’t censor fascism out of existence at all because fascism is a product of the conceits of our “civilization” and arises organically because the conclusions are always there to be reached every time there’s a crisis. Modern worldwide fascism does have cross-talk and draws from the same stagnant pool of imagery, but ultimately it’s happening everywhere because of the same thing: the political and economic system clearly does nothing but concentrate power, will not solve glaring threats to the general wellbeing, and will not cede that their inaction is self-serving.

It’s a tactic that allows those with power to explain their failures; it’s adopted by the disenfranchised because it’s magical thinking, a rejection of the possibility that ongoing status quo can produce the bad outcomes that it produced. Fascism is the ultimate centrist proposal:

We will find axiomatically foreign source of the problem and kill it, take back what was stolen, and the world get better without any kind of change that disrupts the status quo. Thereafter the system will work smoothly because it is truly meritocratic.

You know the “leopards ate MY face” meme? Well, in real life there’s always people that will choose to believe that the face-eating could only happen because some kind of intervention happened…precisely because their base assumption is that their fucking around cannot produce finding out.

It’s not even coherent: it’s mostly self-involved emotionality combined with a sense of entitlement, and different rhetoricians heap upon that a slight different mash bill of fixed identities, the boxes that you tick to belong and thus be owed better. It’s an ideology for mopes and goons, the kind of people that like bullying but are afraid of being bullied back and thus work in packs, invent little rituals to help them feel strong and special, who escalate conflict if they think they’re winning. Bigotry and shiny uniforms are the ultimate participation trophy.

Italians are meant to be Roman imperials; Germans are the destined volk; America is exceptional. You are all special boys, and the real crime is all the people that won’t give you…everything.

Deference, sex, money, supplication, attention, love, liebensraum, pardons, indulgences, drilling rights.

This is how late-20th century cultures and institutions that view(ed) themselves as actively antifascist end up adopting fascist rhetoric and tactics: nationalism has all the ingredients. We in the US currently have fascism at the scale we do because people don’t want to consider that capitalism and nationalism…and all that stuff we were told postwar would save the world and make us happy…produced the current outcomes. We could admit all the stuff that didn’t work, all the people we gave power to who let us down or outright cheated us..or we could avoid the existential crisis and claim that a conspiracy of perverts and foreigners robbed us our patrimony and the correct response is to hurt them, steal, all their shit, and double down on all that stuff that didn’t work.

Yeah…it’s going to be a fight, because the cynics leading this will do anything to stay powerful, and the sincere believers are having a great time; it will also be a tragedy because both of those assholes are going to drag in people that just are confused and cleaving to the familiar. Hopefully that fight will be in ballot boxes and in the streets, but (1) the people already invested in fascist won’t stop unless cowed, (2) if things don’t change on a structural level all their bullshit will still be available and this will just recur. You stop this by making a different world, which is not a function of ending fascism but ending the status quo.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:33:41pm

And let’s not forget that Bimborella is leading the charge to abolish the ATF.

alternet.org

On June 22nd, 2021, then-freshman United States Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Georgia) filed House Resolution 3960 to abolish the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, alleging that the agency was in cahoots with President Joe Biden to strip American citizens of their right to bear arms.

“The ATF’s ongoing, unconstutional [sic] attacks on the Second Amendment must end,” Greene’s office stated of the Brian A. Terry Memorial Eliminate the ATF Act, which went nowhere because Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress. The typo still appears on Greene’s website.

Like most right-wing lawmakers, Greene is steadfastly opposed to any form of sensible gun control, even as thousands of Americans are killed by bullets every year. But Monday’s mass shooting at the private Christian Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee that claimed the lives of at least six people marked an escalation in Greene’s rhetoric and actions aimed at thwarting efforts to save lives.

At around the same time that Greene baselessly blamed Biden for the slaughter, Greene and other members of their state’s Capitol Hill delegation were obstructing a routine ATF inspection of a weapons retailer in Smyrna, Georgia.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:33:54pm

re: #161 wrenchwench

The logical conclusion is that she only likes guns because she’s abusing testosterone.

because trans women are famous for abusing testosterone…

*THUD*

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Joe Bacon  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:35:27pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #161 wrenchwench

The logical conclusion is that she only likes guns because she’s abusing testosterone.

because trans women are famous for abusing testosterone…

*THUD*

Just waiting for them to start posting pictures of female bodybuilders as examples of abusing testosterone and other steroids…

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wrenchwench  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:36:15pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

because trans women are famous for abusing testosterone…

*THUD*

You got the pre-edited version, but yeah. Let’s blame chemicals not the guns that were made to kill people.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:38:12pm
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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:38:30pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

You got the pre-edited version, but yeah. Let’s blame chemicals not the guns that were made to kill people.

When someone is too crazy or corrupt to face the real problem, They’re going to come up with a lot of stupid ways to deflect.

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Targetpractice  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:42:16pm

re: #168 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

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OFFS, straight white males have been shooting up schools for literal decades, but yet we’re about to get bombarded with pseudo-psychological bullshit about how transgenderism leads to mental issues and that’s why we need to do everything we can to discourage and (eventually) ban it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:44:15pm
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Belafon  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:45:47pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

OFFS, straight white males have been shooting up schools for literal decades, but yet we’re about to get bombarded with pseudo-psychological bullshit about how transgenderism leads to mental issues and that’s why we need to do everything we can to discourage and (eventually) ban it.

Those who identify as male should not be allowed to have guns.

To be more serious, though, our rule stays the same: it should be harder for people to get guns to reduce the chances of this happening.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:47:31pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:48:23pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:48:40pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

OFFS, straight white males have been shooting up schools for literal decades, but yet we’re about to get bombarded with pseudo-psychological bullshit about how transgenderism leads to mental issues and that’s why we need to do everything we can to discourage and (eventually) ban it.

Whiteness and maleness were never intended to be good-faith categories by the people that developed them; they’re a scam, a rhetorical dodge. Neither has any fixed qualia beyond “is entitled to power.” Every other internal criterion is flexible: whiteness and maleness are protected from critique by simply ejecting any individual or group, “discovering” their occulted not-maleness and not-whiteness as needed.

You’re male until you make other men with more power uncomfortable, then you’re some kind of womanish thing: gay, weak, a pansy, a pussy, a nerd.

You’re white until people with power need you to be not-white: you’re white trash, you’re part of that Appalachian Scotch-Irish type that can’t hack it because their culture is flawed, you’re secretly a Jew.

It is contrary to their function to applied consistently.

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Teukka  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:49:20pm

Schools apparently has taken down all its social media, and I’m hearing as of this juncture unconfirmed chatter that some Church members have records of Child Sexual Abuse, Sexual Harassment, Child abuse and Sexual Abuse.

Invoking 24h rule.

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mmmirele  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:51:06pm

The Covenant school must have educated Nashville’s elite.

And then this:

Katherine Koonce was the head of Covenant School. She was shot to death.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:51:16pm

The wingnuts are already spinning up their conspiracy theories. A woman who survived the Highland Park mass-murder was in Nashville on vacation.

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Jay C  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:53:38pm

re: #171 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n 😷 Trips

So what’s the over/under on this reporter’s station getting hit with a targeted campaign of harassment to fire her because of “bias” or “political agenda” or “woke-ism”, or whatever bullshit the wingers feel like peddling….?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:55:15pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:56:03pm

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m not sure it’s as much as hate it is wanting to have someone / something else to blame all your problems on.

That way you can convince yourself that YOU didn’t do anything wrong. It’s some other person or group or religion that’s screwing you and causing all the consequences happening from YOUR bad choices.

That describes “conservatives,” not “humans.”

I didn’t do anything wrong. It is a group (conservatives) and a religion (Christianity) which promotes violence, rape, slavery, oppression, &c. I don’t vote for these people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:56:32pm
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Belafon  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:56:36pm

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 27, 2023 • 2:59:38pm

re: #183 Belafon

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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:01:00pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:02:00pm

re: #75 EPR-radar

This line of thinking has extremely depressing conclusions. Basically, a civilized society needs to censor the expression of fascist ideas to try to stop it from flourishing. The alternative, which we seem to be headed toward, is that the fascists feel frisky enough to try to take over by force, at which point they win or lose, and if they lose their extermination would be justified.

Karl Popper enters the chat.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:02:47pm

re: #183 Belafon

As Former Dirt Dart posted above, there was also a reporter there who survived a school shooting in middle school in 2010. Maybe they were in on “it” together. (Whatever “it” is supposed to be—I assume an arranged hit on children and educators to further their nefarious anti-gun agenda.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:07:36pm
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jaunte  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:11:19pm

There’s that ‘stay out of jail’ statue Republicans rely on so much.

“…a police investigation launched in 2012 found the allegations against Perry “were sustained,” according to a police department spokesperson, but that statute of limitations had passed.

“The alleged sexual battery was reported to have occurred when the victim was between the ages of 11 and 14,” said Nashville police department spokesperson Don Aaron in a statement to BuzzFeed News.”
buzzfeednews.com

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wrenchwench  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:18:31pm

re: #189 jaunte

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There’s that ‘stay out of jail’ statue Republicans rely on so much.

Statutes of limitation can be changed. Girls grow up and do stuff like that. That’s why the wingers are fighting so hard as to back a maniac like Trump; they have a lot to fear.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:21:09pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:21:31pm

re: #79 Crush White Nationalism

The battle against conservative and Christian hate continues here.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:22:51pm

re: #189 jaunte

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There’s that ‘stay out of jail’ statue Republicans rely on so much.

Add coverup up for a child molester to HUCK SINN’s releasing Wayne Dimond and Maurice Clemmons out to kill again.

Now we know why “the five families” and “omertà” are now key features of the GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:28:54pm

oh

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Belafon  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:32:46pm

I agree with her, and were going to have to massively push back on the “crazy trans person” attack:

But go check out her bio.

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Belafon  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:33:49pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:34:28pm
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Florida Panhandler  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:35:40pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

Canada should Drop the fucking gun into a metal shredder right in front of him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:38:10pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:47:00pm

re: #51 Jay C

Well, let’s see: mass shooting at a private “Christian” school, so they can’t rely on the old “secularism in schools” wheeze (this time), but I’m sure some of the classic excuse-mongering will be showing up on the “Net before too long (if it hasn’t already): probably all headed by that all-time favorite golden-oldie: “Gun-grabbers are politicizing a tragedy!!!”.

Wingnuts are already trying to say the murder is a transwoman (circulating some photograph which probably isn’t her).

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sagehen  Mar 27, 2023 • 3:59:50pm

re: #183 Belafon

One of the survivors of the Las Vegas country concert shooting died in a shooting at a Thousand Oaks country bar a year later. Several other Vegas survivors were also at that bar, but survived.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 27, 2023 • 4:10:16pm

re: #51 Jay C

Well, let’s see: mass shooting at a private “Christian” school, so they can’t rely on the old “secularism in schools” wheeze (this time), but I’m sure some of the classic excuse-mongering will be showing up on the “Net before too long (if it hasn’t already): probably all headed by that all-time favorite golden-oldie: “Gun-grabbers are politicizing a tragedy!!!”.

My sister is rightfully pissed off to say the least. Plus the stupid c*nt can’t even identify the right hormone. The shooter was FEMALE so testosterone would NOT have been a factor in any event.


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