1 Palmer_Eldritch  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 1:48:33pm

Am I the only person in America that’s pro-TSA and pro-Wiki-leaks?

2 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 1:49:36pm

I’d like to start a WAR ON SHOPPING. But I have to run to Office Max and get a printer cartridge. The War will have to wait until I get back.

3 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 1:51:58pm

re: #1 Palmer_Eldritch

Am I the only person in America that’s pro-TSA and pro-Wiki-leaks?

it would seem that way…

4 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 1:52:00pm

re: #1 Palmer_Eldritch

Definitely a small overlap in the Venn Diagram of that one.

5 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 1:54:41pm

re: #2 BigPapa

I’d like to start a WAR ON SHOPPING. But I have to run to Office Max and get a printer cartridge. The War will have to wait until I get back.

/toner cartridge? expect long lines at security…

6 What, me worry?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 1:55:21pm

re: #1 Palmer_Eldritch

Am I the only person in America that’s pro-TSA and pro-Wiki-leaks?

Dare I? Why pro-wiki-leaks?

7 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 1:56:31pm

re: #4 Obdicut

Thanks for getting my back with You Know Who and for Why.

8 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 1:58:23pm

I have been doing most of my shopping on line. Ahh no lines or pushy people. No heavy packages. This is great.

9 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:07:02pm

re: #1 Palmer_Eldritch

I’ll meet you halfway at TSA. Wiki leaks? Sorry, actually on the record here as in opposition.

10 What, me worry?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:12:17pm

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

I’ll meet you halfway at TSA. Wiki leaks? Sorry, actually on the record here as in opposition.

Doesn’t seem to want to defend his position.

11 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:13:45pm

re: #10 marjoriemoon

Defending Wikileaks is a hard job. Really running uphill.

12 elizajane  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:13:53pm

re: #8 PhillyPretzel

I have been doing most of my shopping on line. Ahh no lines or pushy people. No heavy packages. This is great.

You mean there is still off-line shopping?
Next thing you’ll be telling me that people still send paper Christmas cards.
//
In fact I addressed 80 of them last night. 100 more to go. My yearly contribution to forest decimation and enlarging my carbon footprint.

13 What, me worry?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:15:12pm

re: #11 Rightwingconspirator

Defending Wikileaks is a hard job. Really running uphill.

Indeed! I’m going to start the mashed tators. Maybe he’ll have something when I get back.

14 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:15:14pm

re: #12 elizajane
Yes there is. This year I am going to do as little of that as possible.

15 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:15:38pm

re: #10 marjoriemoon

Doesn’t seem to want to defend his position.

I’ll take a Devil’s Advocate stab at it (although I disagree with this position):

Never, ever, write anything you don’t want to see in the newspaper. If your communication security is that bad, it deserves to get published.

16 Palmer_Eldritch  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:18:05pm

re: #6 marjoriemoon

My understanding is that most of the critical stuff that would endanger troops has been redacted from the wiki-leaks releases. As long as that is that case, I agree with this column:
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]
The content of the leaks makes it clear to me that the diplomatic community is in dire need of a bit more sunlight and transparency.

17 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:19:32pm

re: #16 Palmer_Eldritch

Why on earth do you think diplomacy can be done fully out in the open? Have you met human beings?

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:21:32pm

re: #1 Palmer_Eldritch

Am I the only person in America that’s pro-TSA and pro-Wiki-leaks?

I’m late to the Wikileaks discussions. Don’t really know what to think. Read a bit about them this afternoon. From their Wikipedia page:

WikiLeaks states that its “primary interest is in exposing oppressive regimes in Asia, the former Soviet bloc, Sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East

When Wikileaks was fucking with China I didn’t seem to mind them so much…

19 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:22:00pm

re: #17 Obdicut

Have you met human beings?

the report i am preparing on them for my home planet is not encouraging

20 Palmer_Eldritch  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:22:35pm

re: #17 Obdicut

In this case diplomatic secrecy was likely enabling torture at the worst, and perpetuating counterproductive factionalism at best…

21 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:24:28pm

I want a war on Christmas music. Not complete annihilation, just a ban on it in commercial areas until Dec 20th. And then the ban going back into place at New Year’s.

22 What, me worry?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:27:27pm

re: #15 austin_blue

re: #16 Palmer_Eldritch

So let all our government and military info out on the table then? Maybe they should take out a front page ad in the NYT every day just to let everyone know what they’re doing?

I do agree that it’s a lot easier to divulge classified info today than before. That doesn’t mean it should be done or be legal to do. And I’m for open democracy and transparency, particularly with domestic policy. Foreign policy is a whole other issue.

OTOH, what was leaked today isn’t so horrifying or shocking. Maybe a couple things maybe. The Afghan foreign minister (was it?) shuttling out millions to the UAE? But it looks more like a whole to do about nothing which will be forgotten about in short order - at least by the masses.

23 What, me worry?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:28:07pm

re: #21 oaktree

I want a war on Christmas music. Not complete annihilation, just a ban on it in commercial areas until Dec 20th. And then the ban going back into place at New Year’s.

Really?? That’s like the best part for me.

24 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:28:24pm

re: #21 oaktree
I have to agree. Hearing any Christmas music including those really good choirs before the holiday starts to get on my nerves. I just finished watching Rick Steves European Christmas. It was great but I have had my fill of it.

25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:28:31pm

re: #21 oaktree

Howabout “Let It Snow”…

Ain’t got no Christmas innit.

26 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:30:04pm

re: #20 Palmer_Eldritch

In this case diplomatic secrecy was likely enabling torture at the worst, and perpetuating counterproductive factionalism at best…

I’m sorry, could you respond in some way that doesn’t involve ellipses? They drive me up the fucking wall.

In ‘this case’— what case is that?

27 What, me worry?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:30:24pm

re: #24 PhillyPretzel

I have to agree. Hearing any Christmas music including those really good choirs before the holiday starts to get on my nerves. I just finished watching Rick Steves European Christmas. It was great but I have had my fill of it.

What really is annoying are the ads that take Christmas songs and change the words to hock some cheap crap they want you to buy.

28 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:31:51pm

re: #21 oaktree

I want a war on Christmas music. Not complete annihilation, just a ban on it in commercial areas until Dec 20th. And then the ban going back into place at New Year’s.

I stockpile provisions before Thanksgiving so I don’t have to venture out much during the holidays.

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:32:02pm

re: #26 Obdicut

I am an ellipses user. Sorry.

But, I was wondering the same thing.

Don’t think Wikileaks is being very selective about “cases”.

30 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:32:40pm

Rick Steves European Christmas is on PBS. There are no commericals. I saw some of those when I watched Blue Bloods.

31 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:34:54pm

re: #30 PhillyPretzel
oops. Sorry. I do not like those commericals around the holidays. Very pushy.

32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:36:12pm

re: #26 Obdicut

Ellipsis is a mark or series of marks that usually indicate an intentional omission of a word in the original text. An ellipsis can also be used to indicate a pause in speech, an unfinished thought, or, at the end of a sentence, a trailing off into silence. When placed at the end of a sentence, the ellipsis can also inspire a feeling of melancholy longing. The ellipsis calls for a slight pause in speech.

Wha’srong with ‘em? I kind of like them. I am full of unfinished thoughts.

33 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:37:56pm

re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They’re normally (not saying by you) used as a cop out, to either not say something that’s offensive, or to not say something because there’s no actual support for it.

That’s the usage that bugs me. As above.

34 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:37:57pm

re: #23 marjoriemoon

Really?? That’s like the best part for me.

I don’t mind most of the songs… in moderation. It’s the incessant exposure at practically all venues from Nov 20 (or earlier) for over a month that gets me irritated. And then pile to stupid over the top commercial hackery versions on top of that.

35 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:40:26pm

so whats for dinner?

36 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:40:31pm

Whew, what a discussion on the prev. thread! Since we’re talking about war and whatnot, I give you one of the best (IMHO!) Soviet cartoons. Count it as agitprop if you want, but I think it’s powerful.

Polygon (Firing range).
Soyuzmultfilm, 1978

37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:40:42pm

re: #33 Obdicut

I really like them in certain contexts.

For example, “I’m just sayin…”

38 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:41:31pm

re: #35 brookly red

so whats for dinner?

Freshly baked biscuits, re-heated Thanksgiving ham slices, a small bowl of chili (vegetarian, non-Texas), and some microwaved green peas.

39 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:41:55pm

re: #20 Palmer_Eldritch

In this case diplomatic secrecy was likely enabling torture at the worst, and perpetuating counterproductive factionalism at best…

In many other cases diplomatic secrecy engenders trust with other parties, enables more open lines of communication, protects other tidbits of information. But what Wikileaks had done is throw the baby out with the bathwater.

And for the record, Wikilinks think they have redacted names and places to protect soldiers or assets. Though they are not in a position to understand inferences that can be made by players in theater. So to say that the redactions are complete and nobody was harmed at this point is too soon to tell. ‘Nobody’s been killed or harmed’ is not a defense because it still may happen, only time will tell.

40 Palmer_Eldritch  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:41:58pm

re: #22 marjoriemoon

“So let all our government and military info out on the table then? Maybe they should take out a front page ad in the NYT every day just to let everyone know what they’re doing?”

That’s a straw man. Nobody is suggesting placing ALL OUR GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY INFO on the table.

Sorry, for the vagueness. The ‘in this case’ refers to revelations about the CIA’s extra-lawful meddling which is one of the big reveals in the current leak. From the NYT:

“Clashes with Europe over human rights: American officials sharply warned Germany in 2007 not to enforce arrest warrants for Central Intelligence Agency officers involved in a bungled operation in which an innocent German citizen with the same name as a suspected militant was mistakenly kidnapped and held for months in Afghanistan. A senior American diplomat told a German official “that our intention was not to threaten Germany, but rather to urge that the German government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S.” “

42 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:42:44pm

re: #35 brookly red
Pizza. The frozen microwave variety. :(

43 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:42:52pm

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And that makes me jump up and down and go “What? What are you saying?”

44 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:43:40pm

re: #38 oaktree

Freshly baked biscuits, re-heated Thanksgiving ham slices, a small bowl of chili (vegetarian, non-Texas), and some microwaved green peas.

I approve. No pat down. Next.

45 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:43:52pm

re: #33 Obdicut

They’re normally (not saying by you) used as a cop out, to either not say something that’s offensive, or to not say something because there’s no actual support for it.

That’s the usage that bugs me. As above.

So that’s the term for the trailing periods at the end of a sentence….? Drives me nuts too. Do not ever read Robert Parker the wine critic, every sentence ends with one… LOL.

46 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:43:54pm

re: #26 Obdicut

:note to self: Obdi doesn’t like ellipsis. Hmm…

47 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:44:43pm

re: #46 Slumbering Behemoth

Hmm what?

Image: she-looks-angry.jpg

48 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:44:49pm

re: #42 PhillyPretzel

Pizza. The frozen microwave variety. :(

do you at least got some beer to wash it down with?

49 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:45:24pm

re: #48 brookly red
Ice cold Coke.

50 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:46:03pm

re: #49 PhillyPretzel

Ice cold Coke.

you are in my prayers.

51 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:46:32pm

re: #47 Obdicut

Sorry… lost my train of thought.
:P

52 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:46:49pm

re: #46 Slumbering Behemoth

:note to self: Obdi doesn’t like ellipsis. Hmm…

I think Obdi does not like misuse of elipses. Neither do I, for I proudly use them. Overuse or misuse should be frowned upon.

53 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:47:03pm

re: #50 brookly red
I am going to work tomorrow. They like to run spot drug tests.

54 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:49:10pm

re: #53 PhillyPretzel

I am going to work tomorrow. They like to run spot drug tests.

Dude there are enough chemicals in Coke & frozen pizza to peg the needle… back it up with a twinkie and watch the f’n thing explode.

55 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:49:56pm

re: #54 brookly red
Dude? I am a woman.

56 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:50:58pm

re: #55 PhillyPretzel

Dude? I am a woman.

Damn! sorry no lady should have to eat frozen pizza! this is America!

57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:51:21pm

re: #36 Sergey Romanov

Lovely animation.

58 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:52:09pm

re: #56 brookly red

I do not want to cook tonight. Is that okay with you?

59 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:52:35pm

re: #58 PhillyPretzel

I do not want to cook tonight. Is that okay with you?

as you like it, Mam ;)

60 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:52:47pm

re: #26 Obdicut

I’m sorry, could you respond in some way that doesn’t involve ellipses? They drive me up the fucking wall.

In ‘this case’— what case is that?

…Is it the trailing ones only?

61 Amory Blaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:53:59pm

re: #1 Palmer_Eldritch

Am I the only person in America that’s pro-TSA and pro-Wiki-leaks?

It’s too risky to be pro anything. Better to be against stuff…

62 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:56:22pm

re: #61 Amory Blaine

It’s too risky to be pro anything. Better to be against stuff…

I don’t know what they have to say,
It makes no difference anyway —
Whatever it is, I’m against it!
No matter what it is or who commenced it,
I’m against it.

Your proposition may be good
But let’s have one thing understood —
Whatever it is, I’m against it!
And even when you’ve changed it or condensed it,
I’m against it.

I’m opposed to it —
On general principles I’m opposed to it!

Chorus: He’s opposed to it!
In fact, in word, in deed,
He’s opposed to it!

For months before my son was born,
I used to yell from night till morn,
Whatever it is, I’m against it!
And I’ve kept yelling since I commenced it,
I’m against it!

Marx (Groucho, not Karl)

63 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 2:57:48pm

re: #35 brookly red

so whats for dinner?

Beef…it’s what’s for dinner.

64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:00:52pm

re: #62 brookly red

See what you made me do?

65 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:02:39pm

re: #64 Slumbering Behemoth

See what you made me do?

you know you wanted to…

66 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:04:27pm

Off topic, but can I state me opinion of Saudi Arabia very frankly? It might be a bit brutal.

67 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:05:00pm

re: #66 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but can I state me opinion of Saudi Arabia very frankly? It might be a bit brutal.

go for it

68 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:05:21pm

re: #66 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but can I state me opinion of Saudi Arabia very frankly? It might be a bit brutal.

fine with me

69 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:05:37pm

re: #65 brookly red

Guilty as charged. ;)

re: #66 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but can I state me opinion of Saudi Arabia very frankly? It might be a bit brutal.

The worst that could happen is you get super-down-dinged and perhaps called some dirty names. Go for it.

70 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:06:10pm

Bad news: Commies leading in the Moldova elections so far.

[Link: www.euronews.net…]

71 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:06:26pm

re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth

Guilty as charged. ;)

re: #66 ProLifeLiberal

The worst that could happen is you get super-down-dinged and perhaps called some dirty names. Go for it.

a typical Sunday for me…

72 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:08:09pm

has Wikileaks been sent a harshly worded letter yet?

73 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:09:10pm

re: #72 albusteve

has Wikileaks been sent a harshly worded letter yet?

Gasp! no that is reserved for brutal dictators.

74 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:09:29pm

re: #66 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but can I state me opinion of Saudi Arabia very frankly? It might be a bit brutal.

why not?

75 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:09:51pm

re: #72 albusteve

has Wikileaks been sent a harshly worded letter yet?

I sent them two. “F” and “U”.

76 rwdflynavy  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:11:17pm

re: #72 albusteve

has Wikileaks been sent a harshly worded letter yet?

Wait just a minute Cowboy! Let’s not go TOO far!
//

77 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:11:31pm

re: #73 brookly red

Gasp! no that is reserved for brutal dictators.

weird that nothing happens to the guy….someone should at least, nevermind

78 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:11:55pm

re: #75 Slumbering Behemoth

I sent them two. “F” and “U”.

/I guess they are still waiting for the big one, C, I & A…

79 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:12:45pm

re: #78 brookly red

/I guess they are still waiting for the big one, C, I & A…

maybe there is an accident in his near future?…what a shame

80 rwdflynavy  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:12:46pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

7 Planes Perfectly Designed (To Kill The People Flying Them)

Meh, No A-3D (All 3 Die). Can’t be that good a list.
//

[Link: www.a3skywarrior.com…]

81 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:13:12pm

re: #77 albusteve

weird that nothing happens to the guy…someone should at least, nevermind

his complete safety is well, suspicious at least.

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:13:46pm

re: #78 brookly red

Sumpin’s gon happen, and it may well be someone other then our guys what do it.

83 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:15:19pm

re: #79 albusteve

maybe there is an accident in his near future?…what a shame

please, his lack of an accident is either proof official compliance or guardian angels… take your pick.

84 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:16:47pm

re: #83 brookly red

Statistics. Play with fire long enough and you will get burned.

85 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:18:26pm

re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth

I seriously think that they are the worst thing to have happened to the Muslim world since the Mongol invasion in 1258 that destroyed Baghdad in 1258. Their repulsive form of Islam (Wahhabism) has caused tremendous pain, and they have, and are destroying many sites that are associated with Islam’s history because they see it as idolatrous. Moreover, because of their money, they are able to spread their trash across the planet. That form of Islam give the rest of us a bad name. It makes me more than livid. Because of them, the Muslim world is now in the sorriest state since the Muhammed was forced to flee to Medina over 1300 years ago. I hate the Saudi family and their government. Because of them, other, more moderate forms of Islam are pushed to the margins, because they don’t have the resources to advocate for themselves as much. The Saudis are a disgrace to Islam.

86 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:18:27pm

re: #82 Slumbering Behemoth

Sumpin’s gon happen, and it may well be someone other then our guys what do it.

wow, what if he really did have an accident… the conspiracy theories would out live all of us.

87 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:19:52pm

re: #86 brookly red

wow, what if he really did have an accident… the conspiracy theories would out live all of us.

they have pills the simply make you vanish….I’ll find a link

88 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:20:57pm

re: #85 ProLifeLiberal

I seriously think that they are the worst thing to have happened to the Muslim world since the Mongol invasion in 1258 that destroyed Baghdad in 1258. Their repulsive form of Islam (Wahhabism) has caused tremendous pain, and they have, and are destroying many sites that are associated with Islam’s history because they see it as idolatrous. Moreover, because of their money, they are able to spread their trash across the planet. That form of Islam give the rest of us a bad name. It makes me more than livid. Because of them, the Muslim world is now in the sorriest state since the Muhammed was forced to flee to Medina over 1300 years ago. I hate the Saudi family and their government. Because of them, other, more moderate forms of Islam are pushed to the margins, because they don’t have the resources to advocate for themselves as much. The Saudis are a disgrace to Islam.

the Kingdom is a disgrace to all liberal, free thinking people

89 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:21:18pm

re: #84 Slumbering Behemoth

Statistics. Play with fire long enough and you will get burned.

not if satan is your dance partner… I think this person is well protected & well promoted.

90 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:21:46pm

re: #85 ProLifeLiberal

I’m trying to think of some appropriate dirty names to call you, but I’m drawing a blank right now.

91 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:22:05pm

re: #89 brookly red

not if satan is your dance partner… I think this person is well protected & well promoted.

can you dance with the Devil on the head of a pin?

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:22:18pm

re: #87 albusteve

they have pills the simply make you vanish…I’ll find a link

The Blob!

93 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:22:42pm

re: #91 albusteve

can you dance with the Devil on the head of a pin?

well I can’t dance, so no…

94 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:23:16pm

re: #93 brookly red

well I can’t dance, so no…

huh?….what color are you?

95 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:23:59pm

re: #94 albusteve

huh?…what color are you?

red

96 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:24:02pm

re: #94 albusteve

huh?…what color are you?

RED

97 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:24:13pm

re: #95 brookly red

red

doh!

98 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:24:29pm

re: #95 brookly red

red

Ahhh beat me

99 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:25:22pm

re: #26 Obdicut

I’m sorry, could you respond in some way that doesn’t involve ellipses? They drive me up the fucking wall.

In ‘this case’— what case is that?

… … … … … … … … …

Just trying to get them all out before I accidentally use them in a real post.

… … … … … … … … …

I think I’m done.

100 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:26:34pm

I consider the KSA as desert trash, high on their bling and baubles…shiny cars and silk robes and cowards at heart….too bad the west sucks up so much of their oil

101 freetoken  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:28:14pm

re: #21 oaktree

I want a war on Christmas music.

You tempt me

102 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:28:34pm

re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth

If what I wrote seems incoherent, there’s a good reason. When I get angry, my ability to make proper arguements without inconsistantcies and/or misspellings goes down. Simply, I go into Angrish.

103 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:28:38pm

re: #94 albusteve

huh?…what color are you?

don’t worry I told you all the attack on Iran would start with code writers & not jet jockeys… no one listened then either.

104 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:28:54pm

re: #21 oaktree

I want a war on Christmas music. Not complete annihilation, just a ban on it in commercial areas until Dec 20th. And then the ban going back into place at New Year’s.

99.9937% of ‘Christmas music’ wretched, anyway. Any time I hear a song that includes the sound of sleigh bells, or which mentions sleigh bells in the lyrics, I begin to think about spending all my Christmas budget on accelerants.

Generally, if it’s a song that might conceivably be inflicted by roving bands of eggnog-besotted “carolers” in love with (but infuriatingly oblivious to) the sound of their own voice, then the song is crap.

And of the small handful of Christmas-associated music I do actually like ( most of which was composed by Russian, German, and Ukranian composers who, mercifully for them, died long before the scourge of piped-in Muzak and 24-hour music radio stations), there’s not a single one I’d enjoy hearing 32,767 times per day, every day, from November 1 to December 25.

105 rwdflynavy  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:30:09pm

re: #104 negativ

On a related note, I love Eggnog and have not bought any yet…I am so strong!
//

106 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:30:55pm

re: #102 ProLifeLiberal

I was just teasing, calling back to this:

re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth

The worst that could happen is you get super-down-dinged and perhaps called some dirty names. Go for it.

107 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:31:18pm

re: #103 brookly red

don’t worry I told you all the attack on Iran would start with code writers & not jet jockeys… no one listened then either.

the Saudie sissies couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag…we sell them bottom line F-16s, then train their pilots to dash to safety when they spot an Iranian biplane…the Saudies are worthless

108 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:32:03pm

Vick has sucked todayre: #101 freetoken

You tempt me

Do it freetoken… do it.

109 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:32:21pm

re: #104 negativ

And I don’t know if Bob Dylan’s Christmas album is the worst one ever, but it’s WAY up near the top. If it doesn’t savagely violate the letter of the Geneva Convention, then it certainly does so to the spirit of it.

110 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:33:07pm

re: #107 albusteve

the Saudie sissies couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag…we sell them bottom line F-16s, then train their pilots to dash to safety when they spot an Iranian biplane…the Saudies are worthless

but not a word about stuxnet… not one word.

111 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:33:07pm

Woops….. double post PIMF

Vick has sucked today…… hopefully his MVP year is out the window.

112 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:33:29pm

re: #106 Slumbering Behemoth

Acutally, I noticed, when reviewing what I, that I wrote several redundancies and the similar, and wanted to explain that.

113 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:33:40pm

re: #109 negativ

And I don’t know if Bob Dylan’s Christmas album is the worst one ever, but it’s WAY up near the top. If it doesn’t savagely violate the letter of the Geneva Convention, then it certainly does so to the spirit of it.

Bob hates music and his own fans…he has no clue anymore and if you ever have a chance to see him, don’t

114 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:34:26pm

re: #111 Mr Pancakes

Woops… double post PIMF

Vick has sucked today… hopefully his MVP year is out the window.

agreed, I hate seeing do well

115 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:35:12pm

re: #113 albusteve

Bob hates music and his own fans…he has no clue anymore and if you ever have a chance to see him, don’t

I have to agree with negativ here……. it’s really bad.

116 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:36:07pm

re: #114 albusteve

agreed, I hate seeing do well

Hey…. congrats on your Cowboys BTW….. FWIW

117 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:36:29pm

re: #103 brookly red

don’t worry I told you all the attack on Iran would start with code writers & not jet jockeys… no one listened then either.

Stuxnet is interesting to me because it’s so utterly specific.

118 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:36:44pm

re: #115 Mr Pancakes

I have to agree with negativ here… it’s really bad.

he hasn’t done anything in at least twenty years, and I’m his loyal fan….he’s a very talented writer, make no mistake….but I decided he hates me now

119 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:38:13pm

re: #118 albusteve

he hasn’t done anything in at least twenty years, and I’m his loyal fan…he’s a very talented writer, make no mistake…but I decided he hates me now

Great songwriter for sure….. I appreciate his early stuff now much more than I did back then.

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:38:27pm

re: #105 rwdflynavy

On a related note, I love Eggnog and have not bought any yet…I am so strong!
//

ooo… time to indulge my eggnog latte’ addiction tomorrow morning.

121 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:38:34pm

re: #116 Mr Pancakes

Hey… congrats on your Cowboys BTW… FWIW

for tossing away their game against the Saints?….what a disgracefull way to lose a game….even after the Big Fumble, they fell apart…again

pass the kleenex

122 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:38:54pm

re: #117 negativ

Stuxnet is interesting to me because it’s so utterly specific.

yes indeed, it is something armchair generals and even real ones can’t get their minds around… Boo-yah!

123 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:39:35pm

re: #121 albusteve

for tossing away their game against the Saints?…what a disgracefull way to lose a game…even after the Big Fumble, they fell apart…again

pass the kleenex

Woops…. I forgot about that one….. anyway 2-1 with the new coach?

124 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:39:41pm

re: #119 Mr Pancakes

Great songwriter for sure… I appreciate his early stuff now much more than I did back then.

he just ran outa gas and settled for the mundane…he’s baked

125 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:40:26pm

re: #124 albusteve

he just ran outa gas and settled for the mundane…he’s baked

Well at least he’s still alive…… go figure.

126 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:41:27pm

re: #121 albusteve

for tossing away their game against the Saints?…what a disgracefull way to lose a game…even after the Big Fumble, they fell apart…again

pass the kleenex

I’m not getting that warm and fuzzie feeling for the Colts tonight.. Just too many injuries..
The OU-OSU game was great last night..

127 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:41:33pm

re: #123 Mr Pancakes

Woops… I forgot about that one… anyway 2-1 with the new coach?

yes….a very talented team that cannot get out of their own way….my pals over in Dallas are outraged…seriously freaked out at this backwards turnaround

128 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:43:51pm

re: #126 HoosierHoops

I’m not getting that warm and fuzzie feeling for the Colts tonight.. Just too many injuries..
The OU-OSU game was great last night..

one thing about the Colts…they have Manning

and Brees was very Manning/Bradylike against the Cowboys….unbelievable accuracy

129 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:44:06pm

re: #85 ProLifeLiberal

I seriously think that they are the worst thing to have happened to the Muslim world since the Mongol invasion in 1258 that destroyed Baghdad in 1258. Their repulsive form of Islam (Wahhabism) has caused tremendous pain, and they have, and are destroying many sites that are associated with Islam’s history because they see it as idolatrous. Moreover, because of their money, they are able to spread their trash across the planet. That form of Islam give the rest of us a bad name. It makes me more than livid. Because of them, the Muslim world is now in the sorriest state since the Muhammed was forced to flee to Medina over 1300 years ago. I hate the Saudi family and their government. Because of them, other, more moderate forms of Islam are pushed to the margins, because they don’t have the resources to advocate for themselves as much. The Saudis are a disgrace to Islam.

And they’re rather barbaric too. One of the only countries in the world that executes people for non-homicide crimes, including acts which aren’t even criminal in most of the world, such as homosexuality, adultery and prostitution.

Oh, yeah, and they treat women like unclean chattel who walk around in death shrouds.

But FDR made an agreement with them back in the early 40s. As long as the oil keeps flowing we will “protect” them, which includes looking the other way as they violate the most basic of human rights. Hasn’t changed much.

130 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:44:30pm

re: #126 HoosierHoops

I’m not getting that warm and fuzzie feeling for the Colts tonight.. Just too many injuries..
The OU-OSU game was great last night..

Philip Rivers may amaze people tonight…… My Chargers seem to have the Colts number. Philip is so good it doesn’t matter who he’s throwing it to since everyone is hurt.

131 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:46:28pm

re: #129 palomino

And they’re rather barbaric too. One of the only countries in the world that executes people for non-homicide crimes, including acts which aren’t even criminal in most of the world, such as homosexuality, adultery and prostitution.

Oh, yeah, and they treat women like unclean chattel who walk around in death shrouds.

But FDR made an agreement with them back in the early 40s. As long as the oil keeps flowing we will “protect” them, which includes looking the other way as they violate the most basic of human rights. Hasn’t changed much.

well that is a fine argument for both new energy & drill here drill now.

132 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:46:33pm

re: #130 Mr Pancakes

Philip Rivers may amaze people tonight… My Chargers seem to have the Colts number. Philip is so good it doesn’t matter who he’s throwing it to since everyone is hurt.

Why do they always suck in September and dominate in November?

133 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:46:40pm

re: #130 Mr Pancakes

Philip Rivers may amaze people tonight… My Chargers seem to have the Colts number. Philip is so good it doesn’t matter who he’s throwing it to since everyone is hurt.

can we call him Phil?

134 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:47:32pm

re: #101 freetoken

You tempt me

If I never hear that damned “Pa-Rum-pum-pum-Pum” song again….

135 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:47:44pm

re: #132 palomino

Why do they always suck in September and dominate in November?

Seems to work….. I hate it though.

136 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:48:02pm

re: #133 albusteve

can we call him Phil?

Sir Phil

137 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:48:42pm

re: #135 Mr Pancakes

Seems to work… I hate it though.

It’s definitely living on the edge. When’s Gates coming back? My fantasy team ain’t the same without him.

138 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:48:47pm

re: #134 austin_blue

If I never hear that damned “Pa-Rum-pum-pum-Pum” song again…

Joan Jet does it

139 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:49:03pm

re: #131 brookly red

well that is a fine argument for both new energy & drill here drill now.

it is that, but nobody is listening….makes me wonder how much the Saudis have invested in our govt…

140 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:49:45pm

re: #137 palomino

It’s definitely living on the edge. When’s Gates coming back? My fantasy team ain’t the same without him.

He may play tonight….. but his foot is screwed….. I suspect he won’t play a big role.

141 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:50:22pm

re: #139 albusteve

it is that, but nobody is listening…makes me wonder how much the Saudis have invested in our govt…

nobody is listening period. let them with ears hear.

142 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:50:56pm

re: #140 Mr Pancakes

He may play tonight… but his foot is screwed… I suspect he won’t play a big role.

Shit. He’s one of the best receivers, not just tight ends, in the league.

143 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:51:40pm

re: #131 brookly red

well that is a fine argument for both new energy & drill here drill now.

it’s an argument that both right and left should embrace, but don’t.

144 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:52:00pm

The Chiefs were ahead the last time I looked.

145 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:52:18pm

Indeed.

146 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:52:31pm

re: #140 Mr Pancakes

He may play tonight… but his foot is screwed… I suspect he won’t play a big role.

Floyd hurt
Matthews hurt
Legadu hurt
Buster Davis hurt
Jackson….. probably rusty
Crayton hurt
McMichael was hurt and out last game

147 austin_blue  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:52:47pm

re: #138 Mr Pancakes

Joan Jet does it

Exactly!

148 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:53:32pm

re: #142 palomino

Shit. He’s one of the best receivers, not just tight ends, in the league.

great player…a load and a half

149 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:53:50pm

re: #142 palomino

Shit. He’s one of the best receivers, not just tight ends, in the league.

Yes…. and never played football in college …… was a walk on (basketball player Kent State)…. great story eh?

150 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:54:28pm

re: #146 Mr Pancakes

Floyd hurt
Matthews hurt
Legadu hurt
Buster Davis hurt
Jackson… probably rusty
Crayton hurt
McMichael was hurt and out last game

whaaaaaa…
WHAAAAAAAAA!

151 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:54:40pm

re: #85 ProLifeLiberal

The Saudis are a disgrace to Islam.

And to the world! Had to add that part. :D

152 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:54:58pm

re: #138 Mr Pancakes

Joan Jet does it

are you sure that is not Nancy Pelosie with a black wig hat on ?

153 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:54:59pm

re: #149 Mr Pancakes

Yes… and never played football in college … was a walk on (basketball player Kent State)… great story eh?

Amazing. Football’s not baseball, you don’t get many late bloomers.

154 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:56:00pm

re: #153 palomino

Amazing. Football’s not baseball, you don’t get many late bloomers.

Kurt Warner…late bloomer

155 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:56:45pm

re: #148 albusteve

great player…a load and a half

My dumbass fantasy team hasn’t been the same since he got hurt. Most TE’s don’t do too much, so I had a huge advantage in that slot. No more.

156 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:57:11pm

Talking of football (were we?), my team is going against Montreal for the Grey Cup. They weren’t the best team in the west but they came together as a team at the right moment. I just hope they can pull together one more time for a climactic finish.

It’s a helluvan excuse to drink to excess.

157 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:57:32pm

re: #152 brookly red

are you sure that is not Nancy Pelosie with a black wig hat on ?

Pelosi was never hot. Joan Jett was the bomb in the early 80s.

158 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:57:38pm

re: #150 albusteve

whaaa…
WHAAA!

Yea man…….. he throws to guys off the street like “Joe Schblotnik” or whoever and Phil is on pace to break Dano’s passing record for the season.

159 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:58:27pm

re: #154 albusteve

Kurt Warner…late bloomer

True…… box boy to the HOF.

160 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:59:36pm

re: #88 albusteve

the Kingdom is a disgrace to all liberal, free thinking people

FTFY

161 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:59:42pm

re: #157 palomino

Pelosi was never hot. Joan Jett was the bomb in the early 80s.


I say nothing.

162 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 3:59:55pm

re: #154 albusteve

Kurt Warner…late bloomer

True, but even he played college ball. Then spent years in arena and Euro football leagues. You can see what he meant to AZ, they’re awful now.

163 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:00:31pm

re: #155 palomino

My dumbass fantasy team hasn’t been the same since he got hurt. Most TE’s don’t do too much, so I had a huge advantage in that slot. No more.

Brandon Pettigrew for the Lions will be a superstar, mark my word…but you are correct that there are few TEs that are complete players in the NFL….Witton is another…and btw, I believe that TE is the least represented in the HOF aside from kickers (Ray Guy anyone?)

164 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:01:27pm

re: #158 Mr Pancakes

Yea man… he throws to guys off the street like “Joe Schblotnik” or whoever and Phil is on pace to break Dano’s passing record for the season.

injuries are no excuse in the NFL…it’s brutal

165 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:01:51pm

re: #163 albusteve

Brandon Pettigrew for the Lions will be a superstar, mark my word…but you are correct that there are few TEs that are complete players in the NFL…Witton is another…and btw, I believe that TE is the least represented in the HOF aside from kickers (Ray Guy anyone?)

Dallas Clark is a great Tight End

166 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:02:04pm

re: #158 Mr Pancakes

Yea man… he throws to guys off the street like “Joe Schblotnik” or whoever and Phil is on pace to break Dano’s passing record for the season.

Rivers has a very unorthodox, but very effective, passing motion. Kinda like Marino…no windup, just quick release from down low.

167 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:02:27pm

re: #160 Alouette

FTFY

I was leaving those assholes an out….they really suck IMO

168 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:03:46pm

re: #165 HoosierHoops

Dallas Clark is a great Tight End

yes, another good one, and a deep threat, like Witton and the better TEs

169 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:04:19pm

re: #163 albusteve

Brandon Pettigrew for the Lions will be a superstar, mark my word…but you are correct that there are few TEs that are complete players in the NFL…Witton is another…and btw, I believe that TE is the least represented in the HOF aside from kickers (Ray Guy anyone?)

Pettigrew is a stud…… too bad he’s on the Lions.

Ray Guy…….. although I hated him was the best punter ever….. I still see his foot above his helmet pointed at the sky.

The Chargers have a TE in the HOF by the name of Kellen Winslow…… ‘member him?

170 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:05:54pm

re: #169 Mr Pancakes

Pettigrew is a stud… too bad he’s on the Lions.

Ray Guy… although I hated him was the best punter ever… I still see his foot above his helmet pointed at the sky.

The Chargers have a TE in the HOF by the name of Kellen Winslow… ‘member him?


of course…Air Coryell….yowza!

171 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:08:04pm

re: #166 palomino

Rivers has a very unorthodox, but very effective, passing motion. Kinda like Marino…no windup, just quick release from down low.

I read some article last week that listed some reporter’s 77 reasons why he loved football…… one is that no one tried to fix Philip’s unorthodox throwing style…… another one was that Mike Tolbert ran like the Koolaid man.

172 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:08:50pm

re: #170 albusteve


of course…Air Coryell…yowza!

Air Coryell……. a moment of science please.

173 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:09:35pm

re: #172 Mr Pancakes

Air Coryell… a moment of science please.

Silence of course…… Budweiser!

174 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:13:06pm

re: #161 brookly red

I say nothing.

Chrissie Hynde, Patti Smith, even Debbie Harry never looked this good. Especially not in a bikini.

175 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:13:20pm

re: #169 Mr Pancakes

Pettigrew is a stud… too bad he’s on the Lions.

Ray Guy… although I hated him was the best punter ever… I still see his foot above his helmet pointed at the sky.

The Chargers have a TE in the HOF by the name of Kellen Winslow… ‘member him?

the fact that Guy is not in the HOF might make you wonder about those voters…..wtf are they thinking?

176 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:18:11pm

re: #175 albusteve

the fact that Guy is not in the HOF might make you wonder about those voters…wtf are they thinking?

either they’ve completely forgotten about the position, or they think punters are pussies. wrong either way.

177 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:18:34pm

re: #175 albusteve

the fact that Guy is not in the HOF might make you wonder about those voters…wtf are they thinking?

Kickers always get a bum rap…… draft a good one early in the draft and you’re mocked…… Ray not in the HOF? Not right.

However……. good kickers are hard to come by and can dramatically change a game whether it’s a last minute 54 yard FG for the win, or a strategically placed punt that changes the “juju”.

178 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:19:49pm

re: #174 palomino

Chrissie Hynde, Patti Smith, even Debbie Harry never looked this good. Especially not in a bikini.

I take it you’ve never seen Videodrome.

179 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:20:34pm

re: #177 Mr Pancakes

Kickers always get a bum rap… draft a good one early in the draft and you’re mocked… Ray not in the HOF? Not right.

However… good kickers are hard to come by and can dramatically change a game whether it’s a last minute 54 yard FG for the win, or a strategically placed punt that changes the “juju”.

Yeah, just ask Boise State.

Two missed 25-yarders—first with 1 second left in the game, then in OT.

180 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:21:33pm

re: #174 palomino

Great tune! Long live the 80’s! *thumbs up*

181 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:21:57pm

re: #179 palomino

Yeah, just ask Boise State.

Two missed 25-yarders—first with 1 second left in the game, then in OT.

I felt bad for that guy….. but come on….. those were chip shots…. he must be hating life.

182 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:23:40pm

By the way, Wikipedia donation solicitations are getting out of hand lately.

Image: jimmy-wales-wikipedia.png

183 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:24:13pm

re: #178 negativ

I take it you’ve never seen Videodrome.

I’ve seen it. I just can’t get past how sadistic/masochistic her character was. The cigarette burning scene was especially painful. But it’s a great movie—sort of prescient about video and media—if you’re into the genre, which I am (almost as much as my wife). Cronenberg, Scanners, exploding heads—enough said. A good time for all.

As for Debbie, I think I just prefer natural (sorta) brunettes to totally fake blondes.

184 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:26:47pm

re: #178 negativ

I take it you’ve never seen Videodrome.

That scene where the guy puts his hand in the video slot in James Woods’ stomach is a classic.

185 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:27:52pm

Since this is an open thread I have to ask this question: Which is scarier to watch….the show “I Survived” or Glenn Beck’s chalkboard?

186 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:28:38pm

re: #185 KayInMaine

Since this is an open thread I have to ask this question: Which is scarier to watch…the show “I Survived” or Glenn Beck’s chalkboard?

Glenn Beck’s chalkboard doesn’t scare me!

187 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:28:44pm

re: #185 KayInMaine

Since this is an open thread I have to ask this question: Which is scarier to watch…the show “I Survived” or Glenn Beck’s chalkboard?

neither, both are fake

188 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:30:41pm

heavy metal ballad….

very tasty….just do it

189 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:31:14pm

re: #185 KayInMaine

Since this is an open thread I have to ask this question: Which is scarier to watch…the show “I Survived” or Glenn Beck’s chalkboard?

Beck’s chalkboard is like a Rube Goldberg machine with random incoherent words thrown in.

190 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:32:50pm

Well…… the Sunday Night Football pregame show is on…….. politics must take a backseat.

Go Chargers

191 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:32:55pm

“I Survived” is a show based on real survivals and the stories are so scary to watch, but then I look at Beck’s chalkboard and wonder if I should be just as scared and then realize it’s all fake. Oh the dilemma!

192 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:33:40pm

re: #185 KayInMaine
Steven Raichlen cooking something over an open flame. That is how he usually cooks.

193 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:35:52pm

Evening all.

Currently trying to fill in a job application due for tomorrow.

*sigh*

i really shouldn’t be logged in……………….

194 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:37:32pm

Sorry! I didn’t mean to disrupt the flow of conversation here. Please go back to talking about sports. :D

196 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:41:03pm

glen beck’s chalkboard

the united states is in imminent danger of being taken over by a group of people who glen beck has convinced that the united states is in imminent danger of being taken over

197 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:41:45pm

re: #183 palomino

if you’re into the genre, which I am (almost as much as my wife). Cronenberg, Scanners, exploding heads—enough said. A good time for all.

Cronenberg is one of my favorites. You’re lucky to have a wife that tolerates - let alone enjoys - Cronenberg films.

For now, anyway.

My ex was seeming a fan of weird sci-fi and Mario Bava / Lucio Fulci / Dario Argento horror films, THEN SUDDENLY it was Lighthearted Romantic Comedy Theater, all the time. Her idea of a must-see flick became something wherein Renee Zellweger cries a lot, or in which Kate Winslet plays a perky magazine editor.

198 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:42:48pm

re: #185 KayInMaine

Since this is an open thread I have to ask this question: Which is scarier to watch…the show “I Survived” or Glenn Beck’s chalkboard?

I don’t do TV, nor do I wear a bell around my neck… try a good book.

199 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:43:32pm

re: #195 Lidane

Reagan Budget Director: GOP Has Abandoned Fiscal Responsibility By Adopting ‘Theology’ Of Tax Cuts

wingnut: if stockman say that then he’s a liberal and if he’s a liberal i don’t have to listen to anything he says

200 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:44:21pm

re: #194 KayInMaine

Sorry! I didn’t mean to disrupt the flow of conversation here. Please go back to talking about sports. :D

It’s an open thread Kay….. anything goes……. it’s a “free-for-all”!

202 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:45:17pm

re: #193 wozzablog

Evening all.

Currently trying to fill in a job application due for tomorrow.

*sigh*

i really shouldn’t be logged in…

It shouldn’t be that hard… but that is not a reflection on you, just the state of our economy.

203 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:45:49pm

re: #197 negativ

Cronenberg is one of my favorites. You’re lucky to have a wife that tolerates - let alone enjoys - Cronenberg films.

So what are your favorites? Mine are light-hearted eXistenZ and Dead Ringers (oh, those instruments!). Videodrome? Not so much.

204 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:45:53pm
205 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:46:26pm

re: #196 engineer dog

glen beck’s chalkboard

the united states is in imminent danger of being taken over by a group of people who glen beck has convinced that the united states is in imminent danger of being taken over

Exactly! And then there’s the “Obama the Muslim is taking over the world through ACORN to punish white christians!”. Seriously this is scary and so is imagining what it must have been like for the woman who was stabbed 18 times, beat up beyond recognition by a stranger, and then left in the trunk of a car in 23 degree temperature for days and survived to tell about it!

206 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:47:20pm

re: #198 brookly red
How about some David Weber’s Honor Harrington? [Link: baencd.thefifthimperium.com…]

207 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:48:42pm

re: #202 brookly red

It shouldn’t be that hard… but that is not a reflection on you, just the state of our economy.

the UK has 2,000,000 unemployed but only 500,000 full time permanent vacancies.

If someone takes a part time or temporary vacancy they lose their unemployment benefit (which is fine) - but they can not claim again for 6 months.
I’m in the position that if i take a two month contract over 16hrs a week at the end of it I would have to walk straight into another job or have no guaranteed income at all for atleast 4 months.

208 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:49:39pm

re: #206 PhillyPretzel

How about some David Weber’s Honor Harrington? [Link: baencd.thefifthimperium.com…]

thanks but I got my hands full with the here and now.

209 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:50:35pm

re: #208 brookly red
Okay. I understand. No problem.

210 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:51:15pm

re: #207 wozzablog

the UK has 2,000,000 unemployed but only 500,000 full time permanent vacancies.

If someone takes a part time or temporary vacancy they lose their unemployment benefit (which is fine) - but they can not claim again for 6 months.
I’m in the position that if i take a two month contract over 16hrs a week at the end of it I would have to walk straight into another job or have no guaranteed income at all for atleast 4 months.

Can I have some more Sir? Fuck them very much.

211 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:51:36pm

re: #208 brookly red

thanks but I got my hands full with the here and now.

heh….you might be at the wrong addy here then

212 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:52:06pm

re: #203 Sergey Romanov

So what are your favorites? Mine are light-hearted eXistenZ and Dead Ringers (oh, those instruments!). Videodrome? Not so much.

Forced to pick some:
Videodrome (#1 - the rest in no order)
Scanners
Spider
Naked Lunch
Crash
The Fly
Dead Zone
Dead Ringers
Eastern Promises

These are the main ones I insist on inflicting on people, given half a chance.

213 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:52:27pm

re: #211 albusteve

heh…you might be at the wrong addy here then

well shit I can always be wrong…

214 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:53:06pm

re: #205 KayInMaine

Exactly! And then there’s the “Obama the Muslim is taking over the world through ACORN to punish white christians!”. Seriously this is scary and so is imagining what it must have been like for the woman who was stabbed 18 times, beat up beyond recognition by a stranger, and then left in the trunk of a car in 23 degree temperature for days and survived to tell about it!

National Geographic has a series called “Locked up Abroad” about people who have been arrested in Pakistan or taken hostage in Africa. Insanely scary stuff.

215 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:53:14pm

re: #188 albusteve

Oh yeah? Well:

216 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:53:16pm

re: #213 brookly red

well shit I can always be wrong…

We know
/

217 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:53:31pm

re: #213 brookly red

well shit I can always be wrong…

I know I am…I could give a fuck about all the lunatics out there

218 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:53:58pm

re: #215 negativ

Oh yeah? Well:

[Video]

MOSH!

219 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:54:58pm

re: #200 Mr Pancakes

It’s an open thread Kay… anything goes… it’s a “free-for-all”!

I know. :D It’s just that….I’m 5,000 miles left of center politically and I don’t want any of you to grab me by my scrawny neck and beat my head into the sidewalk until my glasses break (kidding! I don’t wear glasses. LOL). Anyway, I never ever ever ever comment on LGF or any other site like this (usually I’m not allowed to), but I have to say the conversations I read around here are hysterical and so much fun! Seriously, I know LGF has changed, but man!, you all are as entertaining with the truth as the sites I frequent daily. Thank you! Nice to talk to sane republicans. I knew they were out there. Phew!

220 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:55:03pm

re: #212 negativ

Forced to pick some:
Videodrome (#1 - the rest in no order)
Scanners
Spider
Naked Lunch
Crash
The Fly
Dead Zone
Dead Ringers
Eastern Promises

These are the main ones I insist on inflicting on people, given half a chance.

Haven’t seen some of them, will take a look.

But how can someone like Naked Lunch?! //

221 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:55:31pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout

National Geographic has a series called “Locked up Abroad” about people who have been arrested in Pakistan or taken hostage in Africa. Insanely scary stuff.

the Kalamazoo County Sheriff scares me enough….and Jamaica!….whoa dude

222 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:56:49pm

re: #194 KayInMaine

Sorry! I didn’t mean to disrupt the flow of conversation here. Please go back to talking about sports. :D

Open threads are open threads! Sometimes there are several conversations going on at once.

223 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:56:59pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout

Yes, that show is also scary! Reality is always scarier than what is written on a chalkboard by a guy who contradicts himself because he can’t remember what he said the previous day. :D

224 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:58:07pm

re: #222 prairiefire
Sci-fi and food over here.

225 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:58:18pm

re: #197 negativ

Cronenberg is one of my favorites. You’re lucky to have a wife that tolerates - let alone enjoys - Cronenberg films.

For now, anyway.

My ex was seeming a fan of weird sci-fi and Mario Bava / Lucio Fulci / Dario Argento horror films, THEN SUDDENLY it was Lighthearted Romantic Comedy Theater, all the time. Her idea of a must-see flick became something wherein Renee Zellweger cries a lot, or in which Kate Winslet plays a perky magazine editor.

My wife and I find movies like Suspiria and the Italian zombie flicks to be very disturbing. But we love watching them anyway. Same thing that makes rollercoasters fun: sort of a thrill ride. Weird thing about my wife is she also loves the chick flicks you’re talking about. She’s got all the Jane Austen adapations on DVD, as well as lots of films by directors like Cronenberg, DePalma and John Carpenter.

226 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:58:24pm

re: #223 KayInMaine

Yes, that show is also scary! Reality is always scarier than what is written on a chalkboard by a guy who contradicts himself because he can’t remember what he said the previous day. :D

if you are a Beck hater, you will find minions here beyond count…I’m sorta like, yawn….I refuse to cred the guy

227 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:58:25pm

re: #210 brookly red

Can I have some more Sir? Fuck them very much.

It’s an almost impossible position in this climate particularly so close to christmas when most vacancies are seasonal and only for two or three months, there are then a mess more unemployed people after christmas and even fewer jobs in the economy.

They want to make work pay and get people off benefits - which is fine - but the economy and current rules are insane on that. It’s like you’re being punished for taking something (anything) that gets you off the benefits roll for a few months (which they should applaud). They are geared up to want people to find permanent employment - but there isn’t any.

Falling into the gap between work and employment just forces people into the black economy to survive.

catch 22.

228 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:58:52pm

re: #216 Mr .Pancakes

re: #217 albusteve

Hey, we discussed the British model once before & decided we didn’t want it to the point of armed rebellion… I don’t think we need to discuss it again.
Juss saying.

229 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:58:59pm
230 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 4:59:52pm

re: #219 KayInMaine

I know. :D It’s just that…I’m 5,000 miles left of center politically and I don’t want any of you to grab me by my scrawny neck and beat my head into the sidewalk until my glasses break (kidding! I don’t wear glasses. LOL). Anyway, I never ever ever ever comment on LGF or any other site like this (usually I’m not allowed to), but I have to say the conversations I read around here are hysterical and so much fun! Seriously, I know LGF has changed, but man!, you all are as entertaining with the truth as the sites I frequent daily. Thank you! Nice to talk to sane republicans. I knew they were out there. Phew!

I ain’t Republican, but I am conservative……. you should be fine here being left of center. Welcome!

231 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:00:17pm

re: #229 palomino

What’s the latest on the Modern Whig Party?

Rogane.

232 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:00:56pm

re: #226 albusteve

if you are a Beck hater, you will find minions here beyond count…I’m sorta like, yawn…I refuse to cred the guy

I give him zero credit, but he has people who believe every word he says which I find very scary….scary to me as the suffering real people are experiencing. I wished he would go away!

233 Lidane  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:01:30pm

re: #197 negativ

Cronenberg is one of my favorites. You’re lucky to have a wife that tolerates - let alone enjoys - Cronenberg films.

I liked Cronenberg up until eXistenZ, which I despise. I absolutely cannot stand that movie. Hated it from the moment I first saw it, which is odd considering I’m a gamer and it should have been right up my alley.

On the other hand, I like both Eastern Promises and A History of Violence, but honestly, I think that’s due to Viggo Mortensen more than David Cronenberg, at least for me.

234 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:02:54pm

re: #225 palomino
Upding for Suspiria, although Inferno was better :P

235 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:03:07pm

Thanks Mr. Pancakes! *thumbs up* There was a time when some LGFers (years ago) would come to my blog and “beat me up”, because I didn’t adhere to their view of the world or their politics. Well, I have to say….I’m loving LGF today! It’s a great place and I see some peeps from Think Progress commenting here too which tells me they see the sanity going on over here. Love it!

236 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:03:19pm

re: #232 KayInMaine

I give him zero credit, but he has people who believe every word he says which I find very scary…scary to me as the suffering real people are experiencing. I wished he would go away!

he won’t go away…he gets way too much attention, people following his every word and such….welcome to AmIdol politics, where people are glued to Palin and Beck like a shadow

237 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:03:23pm

re: #231 brookly red

Rogane.

No, you’re thinking of the Wig Party. As opposed to the Whig Party and the Wiig Party (which includes Kristen and her family, and is larger than the Whig Party).

238 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:04:11pm

re: #235 KayInMaine

Thanks Mr. Pancakes! *thumbs up* There was a time when some LGFers (years ago) would come to my blog and “beat me up”, because I didn’t adhere to their view of the world or their politics. Well, I have to say…I’m loving LGF today! It’s a great place and I see some peeps from Think Progress commenting here too which tells me they see the sanity going on over here. Love it!

Great Kay…….. you can join the “down-ding” brigade now!
/

239 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:04:28pm

re: #224 PhillyPretzel

Sci-fi and food over here.

I made baked chicken with prosciutto over rotini tonight.

240 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:04:37pm

re: #238 Mr Pancakes

Great Kay… you can join the “down-ding” brigade now!
/

LOL!…ding away!

241 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:04:41pm

re: #237 palomino

No, you’re thinking of the Wig Party. As opposed to the Whig Party and the Wiig Party (which includes Kristen and her family, and is larger than the Whig Party).

?wtf you mean it’s not the mens hairclub???

242 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:04:49pm

re: #233 Lidane

I liked it because it was simple and mainstream. Maybe exactly because you hated it ;)

243 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:05:08pm

re: #234 Sergey Romanov

Upding for Suspiria, although Inferno was better :P

The atmospherics in those movies are amazing. Only technical flaw is the horrible voice dubbing you find in most Italian movies.

244 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:05:09pm

re: #237 palomino

No, you’re thinking of the Wig Party. As opposed to the Whig Party and the Wiig Party (which includes Kristen and her family, and is larger than the Whig Party).

any relationship to the Sheinhardt Wig Corporation?.

245 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:05:16pm

re: #239 prairiefire

I made baked chicken with prosciutto over rotini tonight.

points for Italian food.

246 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:05:27pm

re: #239 prairiefire

I had some gnocchi. I was originally planning frozen pizza.

247 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:06:23pm

re: #246 PhillyPretzel

I had some gnocchi. I was originally planning frozen pizza.

Pineapple doesn’t freeze well.

248 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:06:39pm

re: #239 prairiefire


Salmon cooked in clarified butter and olive oil. Then the really thin pasta gets the bottom of the pan for a minute with some white wine. Sunday dinner.

249 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:07:17pm

re: #246 PhillyPretzel

I had some gnocchi. I was originally planning frozen pizza.

you have heard the word and are growing ever stronger…

250 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:07:28pm

re: #247 Mr Pancakes

LOL. True. Gnocchi does freeze well. That is where I got mine.

251 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:07:57pm

re: #224 PhillyPretzel

What SciFi?

252 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:08:07pm

re: #247 Mr Pancakes

Pineapple doesn’t freeze well.

Most things do not freeze well in hell.

253 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:08:19pm

re: #239 prairiefire

I made baked chicken with prosciutto over rotini tonight.

I made stir-fried chicken with mushrooms and green peppers over brown rice.

254 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:08:37pm

re: #248 Rightwingconspirator
That sounds good.

255 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:08:38pm

re: #247 Mr Pancakes

Pineapple doesn’t freeze well.

*always one step ahead……..*

256 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:08:54pm

re: #233 Lidane

I liked Cronenberg up until eXistenZ, which I despise. I absolutely cannot stand that movie. Hated it from the moment I first saw it, which is odd considering I’m a gamer and it should have been right up my alley.

On the other hand, I like both Eastern Promises and A History of Violence, but honestly, I think that’s due to Viggo Mortensen more than David Cronenberg, at least for me.

I actually liked Existenz (sounds like an erectile dysfunction med), but only after I saw it for a second time. Similar in some thematic ways to Videodrome. “Long live the new flesh!” Won’t soon forget the scene where Jude Law uses the bones from his dinner to fashion a gun and then kill the waiter. And the ending caught me off guard.

But you’re right—Eastern Promises and History of Violence are much better films.

257 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:09:45pm

re: #251 Rightwingconspirator
David Weber’s Honor Harrington.
[Link: baencd.thefifthimperium.com…]

258 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:09:47pm

Got my hand on the dinger! *thumbs up*

A friend of a friend on my Facebook the other night was freaking out about Beck, Palin, and others who have the spotlight and how their voice is being credited as truth when it’s a bunch of garbage. She was afraid that there was no way the truth could overlap what is being spewed to distinguish it. *sigh* We’re all frustrated.

259 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:09:53pm

re: #253 Alouette

I made stir-fried chicken with mushrooms and green peppers over brown rice.

St. Fiber approves. Go forth & serve desert.

260 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:10:21pm

re: #241 brookly red

?wtf you mean it’s not the mens hairclub???

“I’m not just the founder of Hair Club for Men, I’m a client.”

261 Lidane  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:10:51pm

re: #242 Sergey Romanov

I liked it because it was simple and mainstream. Maybe exactly because you hated it ;)

Heh. Maybe. I honestly have no idea. I’d gone into it expecting to like it, and I just…didn’t. I reacted viscerally to it, hating every frame. I’m still not sure why.

I mean, at the time, I’d just started playing EverQuest and was thinking about all the virtual reality stuff, and about where the game ended and real life began, because I was seeing those same issues with people that I knew in the game. eXistenZ should have been something that I liked just for that reason alone, but it just feels like Cronenberg’s weakest film overall, and like it was something he tossed out while waiting for a real idea to come along.

262 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:11:08pm

re: #260 palomino

“I’m not just the founder of Hair Club for Men, I’m a client.”

That was you? shit…

263 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:11:20pm

re: #256 palomino

I actually liked Existenz (sounds like an erectile dysfunction med), but only after I saw it for a second time. Similar in some thematic ways to Videodrome. “Long live the new flesh!” Won’t soon forget the scene where Jude Law uses the bones from his dinner to fashion a gun and then kill the waiter. And the ending caught me off guard.

Ah yes, THAT.

264 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:11:45pm

re: #258 KayInMaine

Got my hand on the dinger! *thumbs up*

Kay I was just kidding…… oh lord what have I done…..

265 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:12:25pm

LOL!

266 palomino  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:12:26pm

re: #262 brookly red

That was you? shit…

Yeah, I’m the Bill Gates of shitty hair plugs.

267 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:13:00pm

re: #220 Sergey Romanov


But how can someone like Naked Lunch?! //


268 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:15:30pm

re: #266 palomino

Yeah, I’m the Bill Gates of shitty hair plugs.

still being the Vice President must be quite an honor?

269 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:18:27pm

re: #268 brookly red

still being the Vice President must be quite an honor?

not anymore…it’s a third rate stand up gig now, or is it uncool to dis Biden hereabouts?

270 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:19:52pm

The wingnuts and moonbats are all excited over this….
Why the TSA pat-downs and body scans are unconstitutional

Jeffrey Rosen seems like a credible guy from his wikipage but the article is a load of nonsense. What are the chances that the courts are going to rule against airport security? Zero. The word unconstitutional has been used by idiots to describe everything from Healthcare reform to salad bars in schools. The word has lost all meaning.
I declare Jeffery Rosen to be unconstitutional!

271 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:21:13pm

re: #234 Sergey Romanov

Upding for Suspiria, although Inferno was better :P

You might be able to help me solve an ancient mystery.

I’ve seen some movie that I would SWEAR was by Mario Bava, Lucio Fulci, [one of the] Argentos, or possibly Joe D’Amato. I don’t remember the title, nor do I even remember much of the plot, except that the main characters were a man and woman in their 30s - the man sporting a glorious early 80s beard - and their 8-ish year old son named (at least in the English-dubbed version I saw) “BOB”.

“Bob” was of course the focus and source of all evil in the film. At one point, he fishes out of the garbage bin some sort of doll which he (if I recall correctly, which I probably don’t) uses as a voodoo doll. His mother — and this is the one and only reason I want to re-watch this film — at one point breaks down into hysterics as a result and exclaims, BOB’S ALWAYS BRINGING HOME THAT TRASH!

It’s an unintentional moment of very John Waters-style absurdity. Probably 75% of it is due to the terrible English overdubbing.

Much of the film takes place in the basement of the house, presumably for budgetary reasons.

Anyway, if you happen to know what this is, spill it.

272 Lidane  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:21:26pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

The word unconstitutional has been used by idiots to describe everything from Healthcare reform to salad bars in schools. The word has lost all meaning.

Yep. Sort of like the words treason, patriotism, liberal, and conservative. =P

273 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:21:53pm

re: #269 albusteve

not anymore…it’s a third rate stand up gig now, or is it uncool to dis Biden hereabouts?

hey I put Biden & Palin in the same weight class… 12 rounds by knockout no decision. KO or rematch no decision.

274 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:22:48pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Unconstitutional has become a buzz word. Mention it and wingnuts and moonbats go crazy.

275 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:22:54pm

re: #272 Lidane

Yep. Sort of like the words treason, patriotism, liberal, and conservative. =P

you can be searched and seized in an airport, but try that in AZ and you’re a racist….crazy times

276 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:23:20pm

i really liked eXistenZ

for one thing, it’s real science fiction, not another space opera

277 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:23:46pm

re: #274 PhillyPretzel

Unconstitutional has become a buzz word. Mention it and wingnuts and moonbats go crazy.

as we should…

278 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:24:18pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

I don’t fly at all, but it’s not surprising the TSA is beefing up security after a couple of scares. Honestly, passengers are so scared of anyone taking a plane down that they will most likely take matters into their own hands now, but I think these patdowns are warranted. Had the last idiot not worn a diaper to try to blow the plane up with, this sort of patdown wouldn’t be needed. But hey! Those who are screaming the loudest these days are those that had no problem with the paranoid Dept. of Homeland Security being created! They always felt safe….well….until President Obama came to the White House. See? Being forced to sip one’s breast milk before boarding a plane was fine, but when Obama came to the scene, well, nothing goes now. Everything is illegal and unconstitutional to these people!

279 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:24:35pm

re: #276 engineer dog
I understand. The Honorvese has been called space opera. It does not matter to me. I enjoy it.

280 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:25:15pm

re: #275 albusteve

you can be searched and seized in an airport, but try that in AZ and you’re a racist…crazy times

hey why hassle… just take the tunnel.

281 Lidane  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:26:39pm

re: #275 albusteve

There’s a difference between routine security in an airport — which has suddenly become an issue almost 10 years after 9/11 — and being stigmatized by the state for speaking Spanish and looking vaguely Mexican.

282 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:26:50pm

re: #278 KayInMaine

I don’t fly at all, but it’s not surprising the TSA is beefing up security after a couple of scares. Honestly, passengers are so scared of anyone taking a plane down that they will most likely take matters into their own hands now, but I think these patdowns are warranted. Had the last idiot not worn a diaper to try to blow the plane up with, this sort of patdown wouldn’t be needed. But hey! Those who are screaming the loudest these days are those that had no problem with the paranoid Dept. of Homeland Security being created! They always felt safe…well…until President Obama came to the White House. See? Being forced to sip one’s breast milk before boarding a plane was fine, but when Obama came to the scene, well, nothing goes now. Everything is illegal and unconstitutional to these people!

a vast number of people don’t like BO for numerous reasons….it was predicted here long ago that there would be trouble…some folks are really turned off by the droolers that worship the guy and for no good reason

283 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:27:39pm

re: #280 brookly red

hey why hassle… just take the tunnel.

tunnel tickets are scarce and expensive, altho AQ can afford them

284 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:28:51pm

re: #283 albusteve

tunnel tickets are scarce and expensive, altho AQ can afford them

membership has it’s privileges

285 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:28:55pm

re: #281 Lidane

There’s a difference between routine security in an airport — which has suddenly become an issue almost 10 years after 9/11 — and being stigmatized by the state for speaking Spanish and looking vaguely Mexican.

of course, there is always a ‘difference’….that’s how one can support two opposing ideas

286 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:29:42pm

re: #284 brookly red

membership has it’s privileges

screw the Sky Club

287 Lidane  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:31:03pm

re: #285 albusteve

So routine security in an airport which EVERY traveler has to endure is exactly the same as stigmatizing a particular group of people for their skin color or language? Really?

288 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:32:26pm

re: #282 albusteve

I think Obama is doing the best he can with what he has to work with. Do I agree with everything he’s done? Nope. Do I think he’s saner than John McCain? Yep! :D I’m not sure I’d be considered an Obamabot, but when I see liberals online on other blogs going after Obama every single day and tying him to things just like Glenn Beck does, it makes me stand up for the guy (and I get banned from these blogs too). I think I would be considered a Kucinichbot more than anything. :D (I feel the collective cringing from all of you!)

289 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:34:02pm

re: #271 negativ

Haven’t seen it, but quick googling finds this:

290 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:34:39pm

re: #288 KayInMaine

I think I would be considered a Kucinichbot more than anything. :D (I feel the collective cringing from all of you!)

Oh Gawd! (pinches nose, rolls eyes, gets beer… and gets one more….)

291 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:34:52pm

re: #289 Sergey Romanov

And more specifically:

[Link: tinyurl.com…]

292 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:35:12pm

Anyone read German?
Gallery: Fotograaf legt moment vallende hond vast

I hope the little guy is all right.

293 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:35:36pm

Passengers can opt out in having the pat-down and can choose to go through the scanner, but as usual, the media is reporting “the scanners can cause cancer!” and the pat downs as “you’re being molested against your will!”. *sigh* One thing not being reported is the choice in how we can travel. If people are truly upset with what the TSA is doing to protect passengers, then maybe it’s time to use a different mode of travel.

294 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:36:01pm

re: #287 Lidane

So routine security in an airport which EVERY traveler has to endure is exactly the same as stigmatizing a particular group of people for their skin color or language? Really?

the illegals are a ‘particular group’….and the last time I flew I was not patted down or screened….I’m not PC

295 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:36:06pm

re: #290 BigPapa

Ah ha! I knew I would find one of ya in the crowd! :D

296 jaunte  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:36:43pm

re: #292 Killgore Trout

“en maakt het goed”

He’s doing fine.

297 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:37:04pm

re: #292 Killgore Trout

It’s Dutch.

298 Lidane  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:37:34pm

re: #288 KayInMaine

I think Obama is doing the best he can with what he has to work with. Do I agree with everything he’s done? Nope. Do I think he’s saner than John McCain? Yep! :D

Yeah, this. Obama’s been anything but perfect. He’s done loads of things I disagree with, and he’s even pissed me off a few times. However, I can’t see myself voting Republican in 2012 without suffering massive head trauma first.

Also: I’d rather have Joe Biden opening his pie hole and saying something stupid that has everyone facepalming than Sarah Palin as VP. Biden spent 30 years building a reputation for saying idiotic things from time to time. He’s still saner and less likely to blow us all to hell for saying something about one of his kids, which puts him miles ahead of Caribou Barbie.

299 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:38:01pm

re: #287 Lidane

So routine security in an airport which EVERY traveler has to endure is exactly the same as stigmatizing a particular group of people for their skin color or language? Really?

what is the point? the student from Kansas City could have a bomb up his/her butt as well as the student from Islamabad. Neither a pat down nor a fully body screen would find it… a dog might, but hey.

300 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:38:19pm

re: #292 Killgore Trout

Anyone read German?
Gallery: Fotograaf legt moment vallende hond vast

I hope the little guy is all right.

That’s Dutch, not German.

301 Lidane  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:38:34pm

re: #294 albusteve

the illegals are a ‘particular group’…and the last time I flew I was not patted down or screened…I’m not PC

The last time I flew, everyone in the airport I was at went through the full body scanners. No one batted an eyelash or kicked up a fuss.

302 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:39:04pm

re: #298 Lidane

Yeah, this. Obama’s been anything but perfect. He’s done loads of things I disagree with, and he’s even pissed me off a few times. However, I can’t see myself voting Republican in 2012 without suffering massive head trauma first.

Also: I’d rather have Joe Biden opening his pie hole and saying something stupid that has everyone facepalming than Sarah Palin as VP. Biden spent 30 years building a reputation for saying idiotic things from time to time. He’s still saner and less likely to blow us all to hell for saying something about one of his kids, which puts him miles ahead of Caribou Barbie.

good god…elevating one over another is folly…they are all ill fit for office

303 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:40:15pm

re: #301 Lidane

The last time I flew, everyone in the airport I was at went through the full body scanners. No one batted an eyelash or kicked up a fuss.

nor would I….fuck the feds and their silly games, I’ll just move on and mind my own business

304 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:41:30pm

re: #296 jaunte

“en maakt het goed”

He’s doing fine.

ah thanks….

but fortunately the dog was not a victim and is doing well
305 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:41:40pm

re: #302 albusteve

good god…elevating one over another is folly…they are all ill fit for office

My MBF radar is spiking…

306 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:41:57pm

re: #301 Lidane

I don’t get what’s the big deal with the scanners too. I always go through them. Is this a specifically American attitude?

307 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:42:03pm

re: #298 Lidane

Uncle Joe is exactly what America needs right now for a vice president! :D

308 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:42:20pm

re: #305 jamesfirecat

My MBF radar is spiking…

good, whatever that is

309 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:42:42pm

re: #306 Sergey Romanov

I don’t get what’s the big deal with the scanners too. I always go through them. Is this a specifically American attitude?

//Yes because don’t you know Americans are better than you?

310 jaunte  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:43:22pm

re: #305 jamesfirecat

My MBF radar is spiking…

There are some choices: [Link: acronyms.thefreedictionary.com…]

311 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:43:22pm

re: #306 Sergey Romanov

I don’t get what’s the big deal with the scanners too. I always go through them. Is this a specifically American attitude?

We are a little more uptight than Europeans. Also the scanners are new here so we haven’t had as much time to get used to them yet.

312 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:43:25pm

re: #309 jamesfirecat

Do fear of pseudo-nudity and being better correlate? //

313 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:43:45pm

re: #301 Lidane

The last time I flew, everyone in the airport I was at went through the full body scanners. No one batted an eyelash or kicked up a fuss.

Huh, that is odd cause the TSA doesn’t work like that… not that I doubt you.

314 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:43:49pm

re: #306 Sergey Romanov

Some folks think it invades their privacy.

315 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:46:57pm

re: #309 jamesfirecat

//Yes because don’t you know Americans are better than you?

you make friction where non is there….don’t be an ass

316 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:48:02pm

re: #315 albusteve

you make friction where non is there…don’t be an ass

So you believe that there’s no such thing as “American Exceptionalism” or at least no people who hold that belief?

317 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:48:41pm

Drug runners have had loads surgically implanted… so why not terrorists? The problem is we are looking for things, not people.

318 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:49:01pm

re: #314 PhillyPretzel

Some folks think it invades their privacy.

pat downs and scans is certainly an invasion of privacy….the rest is moot, because that’s the cards that’s have been dealt

319 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:49:46pm

re: #314 PhillyPretzel

Some folks think it invades their privacy.

privacy is something i am concerned about in regard to my communications and business records. nothing in my genitals could be used to rip me off or blackmail me

320 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:49:50pm

re: #316 jamesfirecat

So you believe that there’s no such thing as “American Exceptionalism” or at least no people who hold that belief?

I hold that belief…… but then again, I lived in Mexico.

321 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:50:00pm

re: #316 jamesfirecat

So you believe that there’s no such thing as “American Exceptionalism” or at least no people who hold that belief?

not when it comes to international airport security, no

322 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:50:56pm

re: #320 Mr Pancakes

I hold that belief… but then again, I lived in Mexico.

There’s nothing wrong with holding it, I’m just saying that like most beliefs it deserves to be poked fun at every now and again.

323 Lidane  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:52:42pm

re: #313 brookly red

This was in August at an airport along the border. Every single person ahead of me in line went through the body scanner, and everyone behind me went through as well. You’d get the full body metal detector, then were asked to step through the scanner, which takes all of five seconds tops.

This was after I’d had to remove my shoes, empty my carry-on bag, and disassemble my laptop, putting it, along with the battery and cables into a separate bin from my shoes and the rest of my stuff so that I could send it all through the X-ray machine.

The whole process took just a few minutes, then I was off to my flight. I don’t remember anyone pitching a fit. They just got on with the business of getting through security so they could get to their planes.

324 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:52:43pm

re: #316 jamesfirecat

C’mon, every nation has its “exceptionalists”. All are funny as hell, some a creepy. Like some Russians believe in the Russian nation as a “God-bearer”, which has its own messianic “mission”.

325 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:53:04pm

re: #322 jamesfirecat

There’s nothing wrong with holding it, I’m just saying that like most beliefs it deserves to be poked fun at every now and again.

airport security has nothing to do with any sort of exceptionalism…you are wandering in some haze

326 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:54:16pm

re: #322 jamesfirecat

There’s nothing wrong with holding it, I’m just saying that like most beliefs it deserves to be poked fun at every now and again.

Live in Mexico for awhile…… see how funny it is.

327 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:54:30pm

re: #278 KayInMaine

I don’t fly either, but my objection is not whether it violates the Constitution, but rather the enthusiasm with which people who ought to know better are embracing procedures that do nothing other than provide a false sense of security.

We are always on the lookout for new ways to prevent the previous attack. We focus on the details of the last plot, rather than on the threat. We guard against guns and bombs, so the terrorists use box cutters. We become vigilant against box cutters and corkscrews, and the terrorists hide explosives in their shoes. We screen shoes, they use liquids. We limit liquids, they sew PETN into their underpants. We implement full-body scanners, and they’re going to do something else. This is a stupid game, and we should stop playing it.

Imagine a Beslan massacre happening in Ohio. Imagine three Beslans happening simultaneously in three different states. Imagine suicide bombers in shopping malls during Christmas shopping season. It’s not as though terrorists couldn’t wreak absolute chaos outside the confines of the air travel industry. Note: THEY CAN AND WILL USE OUR TENDENCY TO OVERREACT AGAINST US.

At some point we have to come to grips with the fact that we can’t turn the entire frigging country into a security checkpoint. We’re going to have to realize that we will never be 100% safe, and we’re also going to have to realize that the only way to stop terrorist attacks is to intercept them before they’re executed. That means relying on intelligence, in every sense of the word.

328 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:54:49pm

re: #324 Sergey Romanov

C’mon, every nation has its “exceptionalists”. All are funny as hell, some a creepy. Like some Russians believe in the Russian nation as a “God-bearer”, which has its own messianic “mission”.

here in the US we have an entire state dedicated to just those kinds of people. we call it Texas.

329 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:55:07pm

re: #325 albusteve

airport security has nothing to do with any sort of exceptionalism…you are wandering in some haze

I was saying that American Exceptionism explains why we Americans are so freaked out/upset over airport security measures that people from other nations aren’t bothered by.

[Link: tvtropes.org…]

Tah-Dah?

330 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:55:39pm

re: #325 albusteve

James jokes, I get the humor. Everybody rejoices. What’s the prob?

331 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:55:44pm

re: #327 negativ

I don’t fly either, but my objection is not whether it violates the Constitution, but rather the enthusiasm with which people who ought to know better are embracing procedures that do nothing other than provide a false sense of security.

We are always on the lookout for new ways to prevent the previous attack. We focus on the details of the last plot, rather than on the threat. We guard against guns and bombs, so the terrorists use box cutters. We become vigilant against box cutters and corkscrews, and the terrorists hide explosives in their shoes. We screen shoes, they use liquids. We limit liquids, they sew PETN into their underpants. We implement full-body scanners, and they’re going to do something else. This is a stupid game, and we should stop playing it.

Imagine a Beslan massacre happening in Ohio. Imagine three Beslans happening simultaneously in three different states. Imagine suicide bombers in shopping malls during Christmas shopping season. It’s not as though terrorists couldn’t wreak absolute chaos outside the confines of the air travel industry. Note: THEY CAN AND WILL USE OUR TENDENCY TO OVERREACT AGAINST US.

At some point we have to come to grips with the fact that we can’t turn the entire frigging country into a security checkpoint. We’re going to have to realize that we will never be 100% safe, and we’re also going to have to realize that the only way to stop terrorist attacks is to intercept them before they’re executed. That means relying on intelligence, in every sense of the word.

PROFILE!
that’s what you re saying

332 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:56:03pm

re: #326 Mr Pancakes

Live in Mexico for awhile… see how funny it is.

Is America a better nation than Mexico… I’d be willing to bet “yes”, but it probably also comes down to what metrics you use.

But that said, Canada is also probably a better nation than Mexico, so its not like the fact that we’re better than Mexico makes us special….

333 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:56:10pm

re: #326 Mr Pancakes

Live in Mexico for awhile… see how funny it is.

sigh… don’t get bent, most people think that the whole world is just like here.

334 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:56:38pm

re: #332 jamesfirecat

Is America a better nation than Mexico… I’d be willing to bet “yes”, but it probably also comes down to what metrics you use.

But that said, Canada is also probably a better nation than Mexico, so its not like the fact that we’re better than Mexico makes us special…

Too cold

335 Amory Blaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:56:54pm

Now that we go through these super duper scanners, do we still have to take our shoes and coats off? Do you still have to empty your pockets?

336 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:56:55pm

re: #329 jamesfirecat

I was saying that American Exceptionism explains why we Americans are so freaked out/upset over airport security measures that people from other nations aren’t bothered by.

[Link: tvtropes.org…]

Tah-Dah?

not convinced at all….we have a long history of civil rights, written in blood

337 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:57:05pm

re: #330 Sergey Romanov

James jokes, I get the humor. Everybody rejoices. What’s the prob?

I think there’s some history here. Maybe they should just go camping and get piss drunk a few times then they’ll be buds.

338 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:57:07pm

mexico doesn’t have the south, therefore mexico is slightly superior

339 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:58:35pm

re: #334 Mr Pancakes

Too cold

///Let me guess if I said that the UK is a better nation than Mexico you’d say “Too Wet”?

340 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 5:58:38pm

re: #338 SpaceJesus

mexico doesn’t have the south, therefore mexico is slightly superior

so their treatment of Guatemalans is just fine & dandy?

341 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:00:33pm

re: #336 albusteve

not convinced at all…we have a long history of civil rights, written in blood

Well this attempt at humor clearly failed.

This is a desperate situation calls for desperate measures….


PLAY ME OFF KEYBOARD CAT!

342 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:01:21pm

re: #323 Lidane

This was in August at an airport along the border. Every single person ahead of me in line went through the body scanner, and everyone behind me went through as well. You’d get the full body metal detector, then were asked to step through the scanner, which takes all of five seconds tops.

This was after I’d had to remove my shoes, empty my carry-on bag, and disassemble my laptop, putting it, along with the battery and cables into a separate bin from my shoes and the rest of my stuff so that I could send it all through the X-ray machine.

The whole process took just a few minutes, then I was off to my flight. I don’t remember anyone pitching a fit. They just got on with the business of getting through security so they could get to their planes.

When my daughter and I were going through security at LAX last week, we were in the middle of taking our coats off, shoes off, laptop out of the bag in in a separate bin, baby taken out of stroller, stroller folded up and put through the Xray, baby cup fumes tested with chemical q-tip.

In the midst of all this, somebody yelled “Bravo!” which was some kind of code, or test, because they then announced “Everyone step away from your things and freeze!” Then after about two or three minutes we could resume collecting our babies and stuff.

Oh, and my daughter and I both also got patted down because we were wearing long skirts.

343 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:01:31pm

re: #325 albusteve

This is what happens to grumpy people here in Russia:

344 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:01:36pm

re: #327 negativ

I don’t fly either, but my objection is not whether it violates the Constitution, but rather the enthusiasm with which people who ought to know better are embracing procedures that do nothing other than provide a false sense of security.

We are always on the lookout for new ways to prevent the previous attack. We focus on the details of the last plot, rather than on the threat. We guard against guns and bombs, so the terrorists use box cutters. We become vigilant against box cutters and corkscrews, and the terrorists hide explosives in their shoes. We screen shoes, they use liquids. We limit liquids, they sew PETN into their underpants. We implement full-body scanners, and they’re going to do something else. This is a stupid game, and we should stop playing it.

Imagine a Beslan massacre happening in Ohio. Imagine three Beslans happening simultaneously in three different states. Imagine suicide bombers in shopping malls during Christmas shopping season. It’s not as though terrorists couldn’t wreak absolute chaos outside the confines of the air travel industry. Note: THEY CAN AND WILL USE OUR TENDENCY TO OVERREACT AGAINST US.

At some point we have to come to grips with the fact that we can’t turn the entire frigging country into a security checkpoint. We’re going to have to realize that we will never be 100% safe, and we’re also going to have to realize that the only way to stop terrorist attacks is to intercept them before they’re executed. That means relying on intelligence, in every sense of the word.

I totally agree with you! I really do. We will never be ahead of the terrorists and I don’t live my life like they’re going to kill me like some do each and every day. For 8 years our nation endured tons of fear and a lot of it was irrational. We are (and have been!) giving up our rights in exchange for security, but how can we stop this madness? The one time a plane goes down after the TSA decides in the future to stop doing the pat downs etc, who will be yelling the loudest? Those who are bitching today about the pat downs. Guaranteed! It’s a double-edged-Catch-22 situation and I don’t like it, but our government feels differently after some yahoos decided to try to blow some Americans up and we’re giving into the terrorists every time we change our ways. That said…Americans do have choices at the airport: pat down or scanner. At least they have a choice! *wink*

345 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:02:14pm

re: #341 jamesfirecat

Well this attempt at humor clearly failed.

This is a desperate situation calls for desperate measures…


PLAY ME OFF KEYBOARD CAT!

clearly you failed…it was not an attempt at humor, but like you I’ll drop the subject…these cat jokes are less than funny….get itz?

346 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:03:36pm

re: #340 brookly red


nope, neither is your treatment of that poor strawman you’re beating on

347 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:03:57pm

re: #344 KayInMaine

I totally agree with you! I really do. We will never be ahead of the terrorists and I don’t live my life like they’re going to kill me like some do each and every day. For 8 years our nation endured tons of fear and a lot of it was irrational. We are (and have been!) giving up our rights in exchange for security, but how can we stop this madness? The one time a plane goes down after the TSA decides in the future to stop doing the pat downs etc, who will be yelling the loudest? Those who are bitching today about the pat downs. Guaranteed! It’s a double-edged-Catch-22 situation and I don’t like it, but our government feels differently after some yahoos decided to try to blow some Americans up and we’re giving into the terrorists every time we change our ways. That said…Americans do have choices at the airport: pat down or scanner. At least they have a choice! *wink*

Nixon: “My fellow Earthicans, we enjoy so much freedom it’s almost sickening. We’re free to choose which hand our sex-monitoring chip is implanted in. And if we don’t want to pay our taxes, why, we’re free to spend a weekend with the Pain Monster.”
Pain Monster: “See you April 15th, folks!”

348 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:04:11pm

re: #327 negativ

I don’t fly either, but my objection is not whether it violates the Constitution, but rather the enthusiasm with which people who ought to know better are embracing procedures that do nothing other than provide a false sense of security.

We are always on the lookout for new ways to prevent the previous attack. We focus on the details of the last plot, rather than on the threat. We guard against guns and bombs, so the terrorists use box cutters. We become vigilant against box cutters and corkscrews, and the terrorists hide explosives in their shoes. We screen shoes, they use liquids. We limit liquids, they sew PETN into their underpants. We implement full-body scanners, and they’re going to do something else. This is a stupid game, and we should stop playing it.

Imagine a Beslan massacre happening in Ohio. Imagine three Beslans happening simultaneously in three different states. Imagine suicide bombers in shopping malls during Christmas shopping season. It’s not as though terrorists couldn’t wreak absolute chaos outside the confines of the air travel industry. Note: THEY CAN AND WILL USE OUR TENDENCY TO OVERREACT AGAINST US.

At some point we have to come to grips with the fact that we can’t turn the entire frigging country into a security checkpoint. We’re going to have to realize that we will never be 100% safe, and we’re also going to have to realize that the only way to stop terrorist attacks is to intercept them before they’re executed. That means relying on intelligence, in every sense of the word.

Israelis live normal lives. How do they freaking do that?

349 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:04:17pm

re: #331 albusteve

PROFILE!
that’s what you re saying

If you like. What I’m really saying is, don’t be a huge dipshit and completely ignore the would-be jihadi’s father when he tells you he’s pretty damn sure his son is going to try to blow an airplane out of the sky.

As the article points out, we had clues, and actively ignored them. Just like in the case of a certain other incident that happened one September day a few years back.

350 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:04:53pm

re: #344 KayInMaine

I totally agree with you! I really do. We will never be ahead of the terrorists and I don’t live my life like they’re going to kill me like some do each and every day. For 8 years our nation endured tons of fear and a lot of it was irrational. We are (and have been!) giving up our rights in exchange for security, but how can we stop this madness? The one time a plane goes down after the TSA decides in the future to stop doing the pat downs etc, who will be yelling the loudest? Those who are bitching today about the pat downs. Guaranteed! It’s a double-edged-Catch-22 situation and I don’t like it, but our government feels differently after some yahoos decided to try to blow some Americans up and we’re giving into the terrorists every time we change our ways. That said…Americans do have choices at the airport: pat down or scanner. At least they have a choice! *wink*

You are a breath of densely worded fresh air on LGF.

351 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:05:42pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

352 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:05:54pm

re: #347 jamesfirecat

Nixon: “My fellow Earthicans, we enjoy so much freedom it’s almost sickening. We’re free to choose which hand our sex-monitoring chip is implanted in. And if we don’t want to pay our taxes, why, we’re free to spend a weekend with the Pain Monster.”
Pain Monster: “See you April 15th, folks!”

Okay, and then there’s THAT. LOL I honestly feel free everyday. Maybe I’m just abnormal! :D

353 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:06:04pm

re: #350 prairiefire

You are a breath of densely worded fresh air on LGF.

Yea… that was paragraph overload.

354 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:06:52pm

re: #349 negativ

If you like. What I’m really saying is, don’t be a huge dipshit and completely ignore the would-be jihadi’s father when he tells you he’s pretty damn sure his son is going to try to blow an airplane out of the sky.

As the article points out, we had clues, and actively ignored them. Just like in the case of a certain other incident that happened one September day a few years back.

you are very close to profiling…admit to it and move on

355 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:07:43pm

re: #346 SpaceJesus

nope, neither is your treatment of that poor strawman you’re beating on

What straw-man? You have a problem with the south… I as a Yankee have no dog in the fight but you seem to feel that insulting millions of people being southerners is oh so groovy? Show me the straw-man.

356 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:08:36pm

re: #354 albusteve

you are very close to profiling…admit to it and move on

Profiling is when you pick out a person because of their race, not because of information you’ve been told about that particular person.

357 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:08:55pm

re: #342 Alouette

In the midst of all this, somebody yelled “Bravo!” which was some kind of code, or test

I once had the same experience, but it was because I had suggested an obviously plausible yet equally obviously wrong suggestion during a differential with Dr House.

358 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:09:21pm

re: #350 prairiefire

Awww, thanks! I’ve always said, “If the terrorists are going to kill me while I’m grocery shopping (my least favorite thing to do!), then fine! Go ahead!”. We Americans have to change our thinking. If after 9/11 George Bush said to the world, “We are not going to retaliate! We are going to rebuild these gawddamn buildings and will be looking forward as we do it!”, we would have appeared stronger and Americans (and the TSA!) would have followed suit in this same line of STRONG thinking. But alas. Here we are today. *sigh*

359 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:09:30pm

re: #355 brookly red

What straw-man? You have a problem with the south… I as a Yankee have no dog in the fight but you seem to feel that insulting millions of people being southerners is oh so groovy? Show me the straw-man.

too many video games will rot your brain…there is even evidence right here if you look close enough

360 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:10:01pm

LOL! Sorry, I’ll try to use more commas and paragraphs next time. :D

361 darthstar  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:11:44pm

Went to the beach with the dogs today, and then stopped at a dog-park near the Costco we needed to stop by on our way home. Fozzie (a border-collie mix) is a bit of a humper, and started giving an intact male pit bull a little lesson in domination. As I reached for my phone and lightly called out “No!” (the pit seemed to enjoy it and Fozzie was really driving his point home, if you know what I mean), the damn dog’s owner broke up the encounter before I could launch my video recorder. Damn, but that would have made a fun youtube video.

362 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:11:47pm

re: #359 albusteve

too many video games will rot your brain…there is even evidence right here if you look close enough

no I am more pissed of at the use of “straw man” if I had presented an argument I could see the straw man as a defense… but to call straw man as an offense? just plain bull shit.

363 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:12:16pm

re: #360 KayInMaine

Nah. These bricks of thought look wonderful.
/

:-D

364 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:12:36pm

re: #356 jamesfirecat

Profiling is when you pick out a person because of their race, not because of information you’ve been told about that particular person.

split words all you want…it has no effect on me…life would be so much easier if the majority of illegals were nice and non violent, maybe they are…I make it an issue about the law, while you make it an issue about race…the law trumps all else, even your racist argument

365 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:12:54pm

re: #355 brookly red

oh i dunno, maybe where you implied that i had reached a conclusion that poor treatment of guatemalans was ok.

366 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:13:59pm

re: #362 brookly red

no I am more pissed of at the use of “straw man” if I had presented an argument I could see the straw man as a defense… but to call straw man as an offense? just plain bull shit.

you and I are targets….big whoop

367 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:14:36pm

re: #364 albusteve

split words all you want…it has no effect on me…life would be so much easier if the majority of illegals were nice and non violent, maybe they are…I make it an issue about the law, while you make it an issue about race…the law trumps all else, even your racist argument

How is it racist to think that if a guy’s father calls us up and says “Hey my son wants to blow up a plane…” We should pay closer attention to the son?

368 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:17:04pm

re: #367 jamesfirecat

How is it racist to think that if a guy’s father calls us up and says “Hey my son wants to blow up a plane…” We should pay closer attention to the son?

it’s racist to compare it to the illegal alien problem…profiling picks out targets that may be germain to our larger problem

369 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:17:12pm

re: #365 SpaceJesus

oh i dunno, maybe where you implied that i had reached a conclusion that poor treatment of guatemalans was ok.

Bull shit. I am calling it. You said Mexico doesn’t have the south, before I mentioned Guatemala . A slam on the South (which you have a history of doing). Don’t try to wiggle out. It is right here for all to see.

370 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:18:15pm

re: #368 albusteve

it’s racist to compare it to the illegal alien problem…profiling picks out targets that may be germain to our larger problem

When did I compare this one example to the illegal alien problem?

371 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:20:27pm

re: #348 Alouette

Israelis live normal lives. How do they freaking do that?

Population of Israel: ~8 million
Population of USA: ~ 300 million

372 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:20:51pm

re: #366 albusteve

you and I are targets…big whoop

yeah, but I try to pretend… wtf.

373 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:21:48pm

re: #369 brookly red

what?

374 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:22:43pm

re: #369 brookly red

Bull shit. I am calling it. You said Mexico doesn’t have the south, before I mentioned Guatemala . A slam on the South (which you have a history of doing). Don’t try to wiggle out. It is right here for all to see.

It’s ok…… hatred for the south makes SJ “nifty” and “adorable” to some here. Please slap me if I ever use those two words to describe anything ever again.

375 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:23:18pm

re: #373 SpaceJesus

what?

don’t get all passive aggressive on me you know damn well what I just said.

376 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:24:14pm

profiling is a HUGE part of our consumer life, political life, retirement, schools, law enforcement, you name it, almost every aspect of our modern lives get profiled by someone….what a bunch of horse shit to single out one sliver and become indignant about profiling

377 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:24:33pm

When Bible Spice talks about profiling it makes me cringe. She says our police do it. Well, our police profile in a way that isn’t intrusive. They create the profile and when they bring in suspects they will apply it, but then again, their profile may be way off when they find out the killer is the exact opposite. Profiling is dangerous. Even using names to go after suspected terrorists is not working either!

I, for one, haven’t been on a plane since the early 80’s (icy landing in Boston that I will never forget), so if I was to fly today and profiling was the main way of picking out passengers I would be yanked out of line. Why? Because I would be acting nervous, I have olive skin, dark hair, and don’t make eye contact with too many strangers. See? And if I had a “non-American” name….who knows what would happen!

Americans are pretty scared of the bogeyman still. I think they are our best defense if someone on the plane decides to reek havoc.

378 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:25:05pm

re: #374 Mr Pancakes

It’s ok… hatred for the south makes SJ “nifty” and “adorable” to some here. Please slap me if I ever use those two words to describe anything ever again.

We’re all human and we have our light sides and our dark sides.

His prejudice against the South is his. (Here.)

If only perfect people were likeable…man that would be lonely.

379 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:26:09pm

re: #374 Mr Pancakes

It’s ok… hatred for the south makes SJ “nifty” and “adorable” to some here. Please slap me if I ever use those two words to describe anything ever again.

it burns me all the preaching of tolerance and then the dissing of the South…

380 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:26:49pm

re: #379 brookly red

When have you seen SpaceJesus preach tolerance?

381 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:27:19pm

re: #379 brookly red

it burns me all the preaching of tolerance and then the dissing of the South…

So, you would prefer it if we were intolerant and dissing the south.

382 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:28:14pm

re: #379 brookly red

it burns me all the preaching of tolerance and then the dissing of the South…

And you have every right to be, intolerance of any sort is not to be tolerated.

//Unless its lactose…

383 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:28:42pm

re: #380 Obdicut

I kinda don’t get it too. SJ is LGF’s lil’ trickster. Kinda strange to expect him to be all serious and consistent all the time.

384 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:28:50pm

re: #380 Obdicut

re: #381 ozbloke

OK, so is it the accepted logic that the south is bad?

385 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:28:52pm

re: #371 negativ

Population of Israel: ~8 million
Population of USA: ~ 300 million

So it would be so much, much harder to terrorize the entire USA, doncha think?

386 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:29:21pm

Wow. This couldn’t be “better timed”: Leslie Nielsen (Naked Gun movies) has died from complications of pneumonia.

387 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:29:24pm

Leslie Nielsen dead

Veteran Canadian funnyman Leslie Nielsen has reportedly died aged 84.

Nielsen’s nephew Doug told a Canadian radio station the actor died at a hospital in Florida on Sunday (local time).

“Today at 5:30, with his friends and his wife Barbaree by his side, he just fell asleep and passed away,” Doug Nielsen said.

388 PT Barnum  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:29:28pm

evening all…how ya doing

389 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:29:33pm

re: #382 jamesfirecat

And you have every right to be, intolerance of any sort is not to be tolerated.

//Unless its lactose…

I’m jalapeno intolerant (recently)…… and that sucks cuz I love ‘em.

390 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:29:51pm

people by the tens of thousands come onto LGF and spill their ideological guts, millions tweet their asses off, Facebook themselves silly…they buy things, bank and all sorts of privacy do they give away because they can….then they bitch about being profiled…the whole concept is as phony as a three dollar bill….your indignation falls on my deaf ears

391 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:30:04pm

re: #386 KayInMaine

Wow. This couldn’t be “better timed”: Leslie Nielsen (Naked Gun movies) has died from complications of pneumonia.

Don’t forget Dracula Dead and Loving it…

Oh wait… (Cringe)

(Sorry that wasn’t intentional its just the only movie I own with him in it)

392 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:30:28pm

Ahhh. RIP, Leslie.

393 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:30:42pm

re: #384 brookly red


OK, so is it the accepted logic that the south is bad?

No.

394 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:30:51pm

re: #384 brookly red

re: #381 ozbloke

OK, so is it the accepted logic that the south is bad?

You make me feel sorry I didn’t use a sarc tag #381

395 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:30:54pm

re: #392 Sergey Romanov

Ahhh. RIP, Leslie.

Yep… RIP Leslie.

396 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:30:55pm

re: #379 brookly red

it burns me all the preaching of tolerance and then the dissing of the South…

If anyone wants to back me up this would be a good time, juss saying.

397 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:31:02pm

re: #375 brookly red

are you picking an internet fight?

making fun of the south is perfectly acceptable.

398 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:31:05pm

…And don’t call me Shirley!

399 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:31:13pm

re: #390 albusteve

You seem to have a really odd idea of what profiling is, though.

400 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:31:17pm

re: #391 jamesfirecat

LOL You’re killing me!

401 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:31:42pm

re: #386 KayInMaine

Wow. This couldn’t be “better timed”: Leslie Nielsen (Naked Gun movies) has died from complications of pneumonia.

I’m 3 seconds too late, story of my life ;)

402 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:31:43pm

His comedies are very popular in Russia.

403 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:32:53pm

re: #331 albusteve

PROFILE!
that’s what you re saying

It’s a dirty word in some circles, but I don’t think it can be avoided in today’s world.

404 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:33:38pm

re: #401 ozbloke

What are the odds! Hysterical we got the information at the same time and decided to post it here. Maybe because we were talking about pat downs and scanners? :D

405 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:33:45pm

re: #396 brookly red

If anyone wants to back me up this would be a good time, juss saying.

I missed it, but will say this…the south gets trashed unfairly by most posters here…they seem to find some sort of comfort in that they don’t live there…posers of tolerance….fakes

406 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:33:48pm

re: #397 SpaceJesus

are you picking an internet fight?

making fun of the south is perfectly acceptable.

OK, then I get to pick a group to make fun of and it is acceptable? Oh gosh… what group should I choose…

407 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:34:54pm

re: #399 Obdicut

You seem to have a really odd idea of what profiling is, though.

so do you…oddball stuff indeed

408 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:35:33pm

re: #403 eclectic infidel

It’s a dirty word in some circles, but I don’t think it can be avoided in today’s world.

neither do I…big whoop

409 PT Barnum  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:35:51pm

re: #405 albusteve

I missed it, but will say this…the south gets trashed unfairly by most posters here…they seem to find some sort of comfort in that they don’t live there…posers of tolerance…fakes

I dunno…I’ve been down there and frankly there are some very fine people, but there are also a lot of people who can’t let go of the past and continue to think that the wrong side won the Civil War.

410 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:36:25pm

I’ve lived in the South for 2 months now…
It’s pretty cool here

411 What, me worry?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:36:48pm

re: #386 KayInMaine

re: #387 ozbloke

He also did some great cameo roles. He was in Creepshow as a super creepy jealous beau (alongside Ted Dansen).

How sad :(

412 PT Barnum  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:37:16pm

re: #406 brookly red

OK, then I get to pick a group to make fun of and it is acceptable? Oh gosh… what group should I choose…

How about brain dead conservatives who have bought into the whole persecution complex being peddled by the Tea Party, Focus on the Family, etc.?

413 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:37:26pm

re: #410 HoosierHoops

I’ve lived in the South for 2 months now…
It’s pretty cool here

Dont confuse me, I thought the South was hot and the north cool.

Geographically embarrassed.

414 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:38:15pm

re: #409 PT Barnum

I dunno…I’ve been down there and frankly there are some very fine people, but there are also a lot of people who can’t let go of the past and continue to think that the wrong side won the Civil War.

really?…who?…how many?
I think people make shit up….
the South is chock full of northerners that brought their intolerance and contempt with them

415 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:38:20pm

re: #411 marjoriemoon

He will be missed, entertained a generation.
R.I.P. Leslie

416 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:38:26pm

re: #413 ozbloke

Dont confuse me, I thought the South was hot and the north cool.

Geographically embarrassed.

It’s cool here cause I’m now here
//

417 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:38:46pm

re: #406 brookly red

nope

418 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:39:23pm

re: #414 albusteve


haha no

419 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:39:56pm

re: #414 albusteve

really?…who?…how many?
I think people make shit up…
the South is chock full of northerners that brought their intolerance and contempt with them

I see, playing favorites, South gets a capital letter, but no, not the northerers.
Dissing the North are we?

/if I must, but its more fun without it.

420 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:40:34pm

re: #412 PT Barnum

How about brain dead conservatives who have bought into the whole persecution complex being peddled by the Tea Party, Focus on the Family, etc.?

wtf?

How about the entire south is dissed here and it is OK, cool and groovy to the whole world and no one stands up to question it. OK I am ready to deal with that.

421 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:40:50pm

re: #416 HoosierHoops

It’s cool here cause I’m now here
//

Hey Hoops, driving a BMW doesn’t hurt either.

422 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:41:40pm

re: #401 ozbloke

Oh, the jokes I could make…

423 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:41:53pm

re: #419 ozbloke

I see, playing favorites, South gets a capital letter, but no, not the northerers.
Dissing the North are we?

/if I must, but its more fun without it.

I dis anyone I deem to be unfair

424 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:42:09pm

re: #412 PT Barnum

How about brain dead conservatives who have bought into the whole persecution complex being peddled by the Tea Party, Focus on the Family, etc.?

How about you stay on target and justify (or not) the disrespect of the south?

425 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:43:15pm

re: #424 brookly red

How about you stay on target and justify (or not) the disrespect of the south?

obsessed

426 PT Barnum  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:43:50pm

re: #414 albusteve

really?…who?…how many?
I think people make shit up…
the South is chock full of northerners that brought their intolerance and contempt with them

I don’t recall there being a Northern Strategy based on exploiting racial and cultural tensions…just sayin’

427 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:43:54pm

There are some of us here in the North who see the South through the US Congressman & Senators we witness on our televisions. :D You can see why we would have a low opinion. Of course, we all know some great people in the South and know that they’re not all THAT bad!

428 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:44:14pm

re: #425 albusteve

obsessed

delusional

429 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:45:47pm

As much as I dislike Confederacy, social conservatism and religious fundamentalism, I don’t think whole territories should be dissed, be it South, Russia, France or anything else.

With this message of tolerance I bid you adieu for several hours.

:-)

430 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:45:58pm

re: #426 PT Barnum

I don’t recall there being a Northern Strategy based on exploiting racial and cultural tensions…just sayin’

politics is a small part of many peoples lives…blog on bro, but when you go overboard I’ll step in…meanwhile you’ve been sucked in to a rant that has no substance beyond your present site

431 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:46:54pm

re: #429 Sergey Romanov

As much as I dislike Confederacy, social conservatism and religious fundamentalism, I don’t think whole territories should be dissed, be it South, Russia, France or anything else.

With this message of tolerance I bid you adieu for several hours.

:-)

Wow… a voice of reason.

432 What, me worry?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:46:57pm

For what it’s worth, the SPLC has a map of hate groups in the U.S. here:

[Link: www.splcenter.org…]

Texas and California are the largest, but I suspect that has more to do with land mass and population. It would matter to know the populations of these states to fairly compare, I think.

433 KayInMaine  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:48:02pm

Well, it was a lot of fun talking with all you! Have a great night. :D

434 What, me worry?  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:48:37pm

re: #429 Sergey Romanov

As much as I dislike Confederacy, social conservatism and religious fundamentalism, I don’t think whole territories should be dissed, be it South, Russia, France or anything else.

With this message of tolerance I bid you adieu for several hours.

:-)

We can’t diss France?? Au contrar, mon cher!

435 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:49:40pm

OK, I can see the logged in posters, some of whom I know are from the south… if you don’t care then far be it from this Yankee to defend your honor.

436 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:50:03pm

re: #434 marjoriemoon

We can’t diss France?? Au contrar, mon cher!

There are two things I hate.
// Racists and the French

437 recusancy  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:50:33pm

I’ve lived in Texas. It sucks.

438 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:50:46pm

something that disturbs me a bit…posters here have become as divisive as their own arch enemies, who they trash for just that very reason….rock on

439 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:51:26pm

re: #434 marjoriemoon

We can’t diss France?? Au contrar, mon cher!

“And Southern France collaborated
with the Germans, embarrassing,
so since then they’ve been
kind of spiky and kind of French.
I’m very positive on the French.
My family way back was French.
I go with it but they are kind of
fucking French at times.”


Eddie Izzard.

440 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:51:28pm

re: #437 recusancy

I’ve lived in Texas. It sucks.

then move

441 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:52:09pm

re: #435 brookly red

OK, I can see the logged in posters, some of whom I know are from the south… if you don’t care then far be it from this Yankee to defend your honor.

I’m in the south……. does San Diego count as being in the south?

442 recusancy  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:53:29pm

re: #440 albusteve

then move

I did.

443 PT Barnum  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:53:31pm

Brookly and Steve..how about you guys start posting music videos so we can have a rock and troll thread

444 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:53:36pm

re: #441 Mr Pancakes

I’m in the south… does San Diego count as being in the south?

I don’t think so, but I could be wrong… do you eat grits?

445 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:54:23pm

re: #444 brookly red

I don’t think so, but I could be wrong… do you eat grits?

Grits? What means grits?

446 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:54:59pm

re: #443 PT Barnum

Brookly and Steve..how about you guys start posting music videos so we can have a rock and troll thread

you want a Fender 6 string upside your head?

447 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:55:14pm

re: #443 PT Barnum

Brookly and Steve..how about you guys start posting music videos so we can have a rock and troll thread

yo bud!
I can do that

448 PT Barnum  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:55:53pm

re: #446 brookly red

you want a Fender 6 string upside your head?

I think that would strike the wrong note..

449 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:56:02pm

re: #445 Mr Pancakes

Grits? What means grits?

not southern I guess.

450 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:56:35pm

re: #449 brookly red

not southern I guess.

Is it like a pineapple mash?

451 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:57:12pm

re: #448 PT Barnum

I think that would strike the wrong note..

It struck the right chord with me, yes please, may I have a Fender Stratocaster upside my head.

Brookly, you don’t have kids do you?

452 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:57:32pm

re: #448 PT Barnum

I think that would strike the wrong note..

practice, practice, practice…

453 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:57:39pm

i dont get the sensitivity southern people have.

like if someone said, “NEW ENGLAND SUCKS, THEY DRIVE VOLVOS, HAVE GOOD HEALTH, GOOD SCHOOLS, AND A HIGH PER CAPITA GDP” i would just lol at that.

454 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:57:59pm

re: #452 brookly red

practice, practice, practice…

Don’t fret about it.

455 PT Barnum  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:58:49pm

re: #452 brookly red

I just bought my son a guitar for xmas.

It’s an inexpensive electric that I got on amazon, but I checked out the reviews, and for a budget guitar it got remarkably good reviews.

456 PT Barnum  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:59:12pm

re: #454 Mr Pancakes

Don’t fret about it.

He’s just stringing you along

457 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:59:12pm

re: #454 Mr Pancakes

Don’t fret about it.

don’t string me along

458 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:59:39pm

re: #405 albusteve

I missed it, but will say this…the south gets trashed unfairly by most posters here…they seem to find some sort of comfort in that they don’t live there…posers of tolerance…fakes

Way to broad brush there, Steve…unfortunately, there’s a reason why stereotypes become stereotypes and that’s because there’s usually (at least) a kernel of truth. Hell, I live in the South (Nashville) and many of the Southern stereotypes just kind make themselves evident quite often.

459 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:59:41pm

re: #392 Sergey Romanov

Nooooooooooooo!

460 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:59:53pm

re: #443 PT Barnum

Brookly and Steve..how about you guys start posting music videos so we can have a rock and troll thread

Old skool rock

461 PT Barnum  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 6:59:57pm

re: #457 HoosierHoops

don’t string me along

beat you to it….

462 brookly red  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:00:21pm

re: #451 ozbloke

It struck the right chord with me, yes please, may I have a Fender Stratocaster upside my head.

Brookly, you don’t have kids do you?

no…I gave them back when they turned lib. Oh well no not C. she is ROTC & can have my name.

463 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:00:53pm

re: #461 PT Barnum

beat you to it…

You pegged me

464 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:00:56pm

re: #458 talon_262

Way to broad brush there, Steve…unfortunately, there’s a reason why stereotypes become stereotypes and that’s because there’s usually (at least) a kernel of truth. Hell, I live in the South (Nashville) and many of the Southern stereotypes just kind make themselves evident quite often.

but it isn’t everybody….making a distinction is tolerant…are you?

465 PT Barnum  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:01:21pm

And to think this all started with a Fender bender

466 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:01:44pm

re: #463 HoosierHoops

You pegged me

Whatever happened to Capo the Elder?

467 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:02:25pm

re: #466 Mr Pancakes

Whatever happened to Capo the Elder?

He walked off the bridge

468 albusteve  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:02:27pm

re: #466 Mr Pancakes

Whatever happened to Capo the Elder?

hung by his neck

469 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:02:29pm

It’s bad enough southerners get trashed, though stereotypes aren’t created out of nothing.

But if any of you diss Hawaii it’s on like Donkey Kong.

470 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:02:52pm

re: #466 Mr Pancakes

Whatever happened to Capo the Elder?

He got strung out, last time I saw him he was on the bridge.

471 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:02:59pm

re: #468 albusteve

hung by his neck

I thought he tuned out.

472 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:03:47pm

re: #470 ozbloke

He got strung out, last time I saw him he was on the bridge.

I liked Cato… he kinda struck a chord with me.

473 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:04:05pm

re: #471 Mr Pancakes

I thought he tuned out.

That’s what happens when your head is a solid body

474 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:04:40pm

re: #441 Mr Pancakes

I’m in the south… does San Diego count as being in the south?

Well, you’re certainly south of me.

475 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:05:54pm

re: #472 Mr Pancakes

I liked Cato… he kinda struck a chord with me.

I liked him too, he lost a friend a week or so before he flounced.
He was real rude to Charles though, unnecessary, undeserved and uncalled for, sadly.

476 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:05:56pm

I’m Souther than all of yous.

477 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:06:58pm

re: #476 BigPapa

I’m Souther than all of yous.

Maybe not me…
I could be more southerer than you

478 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:08:18pm

re: #460 Mr Pancakes

Uriah Heap

So, you think you can prog:

479 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:08:46pm

re: #435 brookly red

OK, I can see the logged in posters, some of whom I know are from the south… if you don’t care then far be it from this Yankee to defend your honor.

brookly -
logged in doesn’t mean at the computer at that exact moment.

Besides - I’ve come to the conclusion that SJ gets a little nervous about positive karma, and every now and then has to throw something in there to stir things up and get a few downdings.

480 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:09:57pm

re: #445 Mr Pancakes

Grits? What means grits?

you know.
Grits.

481 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:10:24pm

re: #478 negativ

So, you think you can prog:

[Video]

I have that CD

482 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:10:35pm

re: #464 albusteve

but it isn’t everybody…making a distinction is tolerant…are you?

You’re right in that stereotypes are a bit of a broad brush themselves and are not applicable to everyone in a certain region or group; they tend to exaggerate or be over-the-top.

483 Yukon Digger  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:11:11pm

Actor Leslie Nielsen dies

[Link: www.cbc.ca…]

The Nielsen family was very well respected in the Yukon. The airport in Whitehorse, the capital of the Yukon Territory, is named for his brother Erik, a famous Yukon MP. His nephew who is an excellent bush pilot could just smile at you and make you laugh and diffuse any stress from harsh weather or tough landings on remote airstrips. Everyone should give a toast for all the silly laughs that Leslie Nielsen gave us.

484 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:11:34pm

re: #480 reine.de.tout

you know.
Grits.

Tried some grits the other day…put butter on them..Any other way to eat them?

485 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:12:03pm

re: #469 BigPapa

It’s bad enough southerners get trashed, though stereotypes aren’t created out of nothing.

But if any of you diss Hawaii it’s on like Donkey Kong.

Hard not to be negatively stereotyped, when 90% of every evil character in movies or on TV has what Hollywood thinks is a southern accent.

486 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:12:53pm

re: #484 HoosierHoops

Tried some grits the other day…put butter on them..Any other way to eat them?

I like butter & Lawry’s seasoning salt.
Or instead of the Lawry’s, Tony Chachere’s Creole Seasoning.

Or melt some cheese in ‘em.

487 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:18:54pm

re: #480 reine.de.tout

you know.
Grits.

Ahhhhhh ground hominy……. I know hominy. My wife makes pozole all the time. Love it.

488 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:27:28pm

re: #469 BigPapa

It’s bad enough southerners get trashed, though stereotypes aren’t created out of nothing.

But if any of you diss Hawaii it’s on like Donkey Kong.

It is hard to be critical of the most mellow folks on the planet, bra.


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