Ecuador Revokes Edward Snowden’s Temporary Travel Documents

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Things are not going well for NSA leaker Edward Snowden today. Hooking up with Wikileaks and Julian Assange probably wasn’t the best idea: Ecuador Cools on Edward Snowden Asylum as Assange Frustration Grows.

The plan to spirit the surveillance whistleblower Edward Snowden to sanctuary in Latin America appears to be unravelling amid tension between Ecuador’s government and Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.

President Rafael Correa halted an effort to help Snowden leave Russia amid concern Assange was usurping the role of the Ecuadoran government, according to leaked diplomatic correspondence published on Friday.

Amid signs Quito was cooling with Snowden and irritated with Assange, Correa declared invalid a temporary travel document which could have helped extract Snowden from his reported location in Moscow.

Correa declared that the safe conduct pass issued by Ecuador’s London consul - in collaboration with Assange - was unauthorised, after other Ecuadorean diplomats privately said the WikiLeaks founder could be perceived as “running the show”.

In other Ecuadorian news, the Correa government is acting to suppress information about Ecuador’s domestic spying: Under Pressure, Scribd Yanks Ecuadorian Spy Documents.

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337 comments
1 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 10:57:38am

Youtube Video

2 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 10:58:26am

It’s almost as if other countries don’t actually want somebody who spilled his mother country’s secrets.

3 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:00:37am

I will never use the Assange Travel Agency again.

4 Mattand  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:01:09am

Correct me if I’m wrong, but for Assange, wouldn’t pissing off Ecuador be filed under “Stupidest Idea Ever?”

In other Ecuadorian news, the Correa government is acting to suppress information about Ecuador’s domestic spying: Under Pressure, Scribd Yanks Ecuadorian Spy Documents.

Also, explain to me again how Ecuador treasures free speech more than the US?

5 jaunte  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:02:16am
“…usurping the role of the Ecuadorian government..”

Who’d have figured.

6 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:03:13am

re: #3 b.d.

I will never use the Assange Travel Agency again.

From this morning’s crack-of-dawn thread:

WikiLeaks Volunteer Was a Paid Informant for the FBI

littlegreenfootballs.com

7 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:03:36am

re: #4 Mattand
It’s not like Assange can walk out on the Ecuadorians at this stage. I can only imagine how he is trying to run the embassy considering the way he is trying to run their foreign policy.

8 Mattand  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:04:51am

Also from the article:

(Snowden’s father) said he had told US attorney general Eric Holder through his lawyer that his son might return home if he would not be detained before trial, could choose the location for his trial and would not be subjected to a gag order. It was not clear that Lonnie Snowden was communicating his son’s views, as he also said they had not spoken since April.

I’m beginning to see where Edward gets it from.

9 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:05:09am

Looks like Dropbox got a similar request and they complied as well.


Ecador’s regime has no problem squelching and silencing those who oppose the regime, or cast a harsh light on the regime’s distasteful practices.

In December, Ares Rights brought a copyright complaint to YouTube and Vimeo and had a documentary that was critical of Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa taken down.

On Friday, Correa alluded directly to BuzzFeed’s story on Twitter, saying that the allegations of surveillance had been a “farce” cooked up as punishment for Ecuador’s rebelliousness. At a press conference on Thursday morning, the Minister of the Interior threatened the press: “We invite the national or international press to demonstrate one single case of groundless wiretapping. You have 24 hours to do so, or you will be determined to be liars.”

BuzzFeed has re-uploaded the documents to DocumentCloud and into a Dropbox folder and has formally contested the complaint with Scribd. As of this writing, Palma had already sent another copyright claim to DocumentCloud.

Update: DropBox, like Scribd, also received a copyright complaint and removed the documents that BuzzFeed had uploaded. (1:55 p.m.)

10 Lidane  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:08:01am

Youtube Video

11 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:08:55am
12 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:09:00am

re: #8 Mattand

Also from the article:

I’m beginning to see where Eric gets if from.

Yeah. It’s like he thinks his son would be doing us a huge favor by agreeing to be tried for crimes he’s committed.

(Edward, not Eric, right?)

13 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:09:53am

re: #6 Decatur Deb

Great article, thank you Decatur Deb. An Icelander no less! WHo got fired for selling unauthorized t-shirts?! lol, what an outfit.

14 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:09:53am

BBL

15 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:10:12am

Trapped in Transit: The Orwellian Moscow Airport Hotel.

Actually it’s more Kafkaesque than Orwellian. With also a little bit of Charlie on the MTA.

16 Mattand  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:10:32am

re: #12 GeneJockey

Yeah. It’s like he thinks his son would be doing us a huge favor by agreeing to be tried for crimes he’s committed.

(Edward, not Eric, right?)

Argh, yes.

17 Ian G.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:10:56am

re: #8 Mattand

(Snowden’s father) said he had told US attorney general Eric Holder through his lawyer that his son might return home if he would not be detained before trial, could choose the location for his trial and would not be subjected to a gag order.

And a sweet beach house in Santa Monica, and a flat-screen TV, and courtside season tickets to the Lakers, and a year’s supply of Grey Goose and…zzzzzzzzz

18 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:11:04am

re: #8 Mattand

Snowden’s father:

In a TV interview on Friday, Snowden’s father said said he was worried about the involvement of WikiLeaks. “I don’t want to put him in peril, but I am concerned about those who surround him,” Lonnie Snowden told NBC.

“I think WikiLeaks, if you’ve looked at past history … their focus isn’t necessarily the constitution of the United States. It’s simply to release as much information as possible.”

I’m pretty sure he was also talking about Glenn Greenwald, but the Guardian is careful not to mention that possibility.

19 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:13:03am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

OH GOP!

Youtube Video

20 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:15:00am

re: #17 Ian G.

And a sweet beach house in Santa Monica, and a flat-screen TV, and courtside season tickets to the Lakers, and a year’s supply of Grey Goose and…zzzzzzzzz

As KirkSpencer noted in the last thread, this is what’s known as the opening demand in a negotiation. He’s not going to get everything (or perhaps anything) on his wish list, but if it gets him back into the US with some access to media and Internet access that gets reviewed before being sent out, and ankle bracelet (instead of incarceration pending trial, which prosecutors will demand considering him as a flight risk), his dad may see that as something important.

21 jaunte  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:16:05am

re: #8 Mattand

Also from the article:

I’m beginning to see where Eric gets it from.

I see he’s making distinctions between betraying the government of the United States, and betraying the people of the United States.

If only we had some kind of selection mechanism for deciding who represents the people of the United States.

22 Mattand  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:18:04am

I’m all for a national game of Calvinball.

23 Weet  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:18:51am

re: #15 Vicious Babushka

Trapped in Transit: The Orwellian Moscow Airport Hotel.

Actually it’s more Kafkaesque than Orwellian. With also a little bit of Charlie on the MTA.

That’s an interesting read.

24 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:19:45am

I usually like Chris Hayes but he’s doing everything but getting on his knees and fellating GG and Snowden. Yeah, I get it, there was data mining but as of yet there’s been no evidence of ANY illegal activity.

25 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:25:30am

re: #23 Weet

Agreed that that is an interesting read. Wonder if that is where he is?

26 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:25:58am

re: #20 lawhawk

As KirkSpencer noted in the last thread, this is what’s known as the opening demand in a negotiation. He’s not going to get everything (or perhaps anything) on his wish list, but if it gets him back into the US with some access to media and Internet access that gets reviewed before being sent out, and ankle bracelet (instead of incarceration pending trial, which prosecutors will demand considering him as a flight risk), his dad may see that as something important.

I would say the likelihood that he gets an ankle monitor would be, on a scale of 1-10, negative 20. I do not see that happening at all.

27 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:26:13am

re: #25 b.d.

Agreed that that is an interesting read. Wonder if that is where he is?

Mr. Phillips was unable to find out.

28 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:29:08am
I usually like Chris Hayes but he’s doing everything but getting on his knees and fellating GG and Snowden.

Harry Potter’s show is flailing badly, he is looking for anything to grab ahold of to make him relevant.

29 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:29:25am

Franklin Graham: Supreme Court ‘Rearranging God’s Divine Order’

Franklin Graham released a short statement in response to the Supreme Court’s decisions on DOMA and Prop 8, asserting that there is no right for gays and lesbians to marry since no one is “entitled to rearrange God’s divine order for the universe and its inhabitants.”

“Any person or institution that attempts to redefine [marriage] is ultimately challenging Him,” Franklin writes, adding that the court cannot have any impact on “issues involving God’s laws.”

Hmm, I’ve been looking thru the laws which govern the United States and I can see sections for Federal, State, Local and other laws like that, but I don’t see a section labelled God’s Law.

30 Dr. Matt  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:30:18am

How is Snowden enjoying all this newfound “freedom”?

31 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:31:37am

BAM! Another one goes down.

Judge Strikes Down Mich. Law Denying Public Benefits To Domestic Partners

A federal judge on Friday struck down a Michigan law that barred same-sex domestic partners of public employees from receiving benefits, mlive.com reported.

Five same-sex couples represented by the ACLU of Michigan filed a complaint against Gov. Rick Snyder (R) and the state in 2011, claiming that their equal protection rights and due process were violated by the law. Public Act 297 prohibits public employers, such as cities and counties, from extending benefits to same-sex domestic partners.

U.S. District Judge David S. Lawson determined Friday, just days after the Supreme Court ruled the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) unconstitutional, that the law did indeed violate the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Lawson granted an injunction against enforcement of the act until a final ruling is made on the law’s constitutionality.

32 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:31:48am

Give him another couple of weeks (without teh moneys) and he will be PLEADING with the U.S. to send marshals to bring him home.

That’s assuming anyone even hears his pleas.

IN MOSCOW TRANSIT AIRPORT NOBODY CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM.

33 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:31:59am

re: #29 Kragar

Has Franklin been talking to Palin again? Word salad all around.

34 piratedan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:33:06am

re: #28 b.d.

it’s a shame, because his weekend show was pretty decent, if he’d gone on and been more of a policy wonk by making the politics more accessible…but then again, that’s a lot of what TRMS does, with an emphasis on social justice and gender issues. Still plenty of room to plumb the depths of R Hypocrisy and ratfuckery. Shit, he could have focused on the screw jobs going in the state lege’s and been quite effective though that may have affected his villager wannabe status.

35 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:33:24am

re: #33 Bulworth

Has Franklin been talking to Palin again? Word salad all around.

Apparently God’s divine order put certain people in charge of knowing what is best for everyone else, and we’re doomed if we stop listening to them.
/

36 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:35:12am

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

Give him another couple of weeks (without teh moneys) and he will be PLEADING with the U.S. to send marshals to bring him home.

That’s assuming anyone even hears his pleas.

IN MOSCOW TRANSIT AIRPORT NOBODY CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM.

But FREEDUMB!

37 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:35:17am

Couldn’t happen to a nicer traitor.

38 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:36:06am

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

IN MOSCOW TRANSIT AIRPORT NOBODY CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM.

Oh, they can hear him alright…it makes Putin feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

39 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:36:49am

Bryan Fischer has turned to link spamming anyone who disagrees with him the completely debunked Regenerus study on gay families.

40 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:37:02am

re: #17 Ian G.

And a sweet beach house in Santa Monica, and a flat-screen TV, and courtside season tickets to the Lakers, and a year’s supply of Grey Goose and…zzzzzzzzz

Don’t forget free wifi!

41 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:37:19am

re: #34 piratedan

it’s a shame, because his weekend show was pretty decent, if he’d gone on and been more of a policy wonk by making the politics more accessible…but then again, that’s a lot of what TRMS does, with an emphasis on social justice and gender issues. Still plenty of room to plumb the depths of R Hypocrisy and ratfuckery. Shit, he could have focused on the screw jobs going in the state lege’s and been quite effective though that may have affected his villager wannabe status.

I liked his weekend show, too. I like Kornacki in that spot now. We like more in-depth discussion than most evening shows offer.

Now, I can’t stand watching political news at night. It’s all fluff and the non-scandal du jour. The whole IRS thing was the straw that broke this camel’s back. I long for news. Thankfully, in Canada, they actually still have that, but that doesn’t do much for my own country.

42 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:38:10am
43 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:39:14am
44 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:40:17am
45 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:40:18am

re: #38 darthstar

Putin has got to be loving this. I wonder how the prisoner exchange negotiations are going?

46 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:41:04am

Snowflake did not think this through. He probably thought WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

47 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:41:29am
48 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:41:38am
49 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:42:05am

I am sure he was looking at beach mansions in Ecuador where he would live it up with all teh moneys that would come rolling in from the book and movie deals.

50 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:42:10am

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

Snowflake did not think this through. He probably thought WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

“I had a pillow!”

51 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:42:20am

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

I was told there would be Swedish girls!

52 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:43:09am

What just happened?

53 Dr. Matt  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:43:17am

Woh. What’s up with the 3 deleted posts?

54 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:43:41am

One of them was my joke about Ann Coulter.

55 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:43:43am

re: #53 Dr. Matt

Woh. What’s up with the 3 deleted posts?

The last two quoted the first one.

56 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:44:06am
57 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:44:10am

re: #15 Vicious Babushka

Trapped in Transit: The Orwellian Moscow Airport Hotel.

Actually it’s more Kafkaesque than Orwellian. With also a little bit of Charlie on the MTA.

…hands Charlie a sandwich, as the train comes rumbling through…

58 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:44:27am

re: #53 Dr. Matt

Woh. What’s up with the 3 deleted posts?

I think Stabby said something unfortunate, and Obdi and Kragar responded with quotes, and the whole exchange was uprooted.

59 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:44:46am

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

Snowflake did not think this through. He probably thought WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

Who ever thought that poking the USA in the eye with a sharp stick would have bad repercussions?

60 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:45:14am

re: #57 BeenHereAwhile

…hands Charlie a sandwich, as the train comes rumbling through…

That song became more famous than the transit fare increase that inspired it.

61 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:45:23am

I don’t know about you, but I think following up #SitDownWendy with #WomenAreRight was a stroke of GOP geniusery. //

62 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:45:31am

re: #59 b.d.

Who ever thought that poking the USA in the eye with a sharp stick would have bad repercussions?

Ecuador is threatening to prosecute whoever leaked the travel document.

I hope it turns out to be Assange.

63 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:45:44am

I mean, they know where to find him.

64 Lidane  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:46:09am
65 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:46:29am

re: #58 GeneJockey

Maybe stinky just didn’t want Obdi going rightous on me as usual.

I would approve of deleting any time he/she answers me.

66 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:47:14am

re: #64 Lidane

Metcalfe should move to Iran if he want to run a country based on God’s law.

67 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:47:41am

re: #65 stabby

Maybe stinky just didn’t want Obdi going rightous on me as usual.

I would approve of deleting any time he/she answers me.

No, pretty sure it was for quoting your stupid ass.

68 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:47:56am

re: #65 stabby

I’m a he, and I will bet $100 that it was your bigotry that got you deleted.

69 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:48:11am

re: #62 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Ecuador is threatening to prosecute whoever leaked the travel document.

I hope it turns out to be Assange.

hahaha, I will be billing Wikileaks for a new irony meter if that happens.

Ecuador is getting a little huffy at Assange acting as their gatekeeper and spokesperson. I can only imagine how loathed he is inside the embassy.

70 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:48:38am

re: #68 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

There was no bigotry involved.

Everyone jokes about what Ann Coulter looks like, and calling her racist is just the fact.

71 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:49:04am

re: #69 b.d.

hahaha, I will be billing Wikileaks for a new irony meter if that happens.

Ecuador is getting a little huffy at Assange acting as their gatekeeper and spokesperson. I can only imagine how loathed he is inside the embassy.

He’s still there, isn’t he? I wonder if they’ve started charging rent at this point.

72 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:49:51am

re: #63 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I mean, they know where to find him.

How would Ecuador prosecute Assange? Build a courthouse and a real jail cell in the embassy? Can they ferry him out of the country for a trial?

73 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:49:52am

re: #70 stabby

There was no bigotry involved.

Everyone jokes about what Ann Coulter looks like, and calling her racist is just the fact.

Well, as long as you pass up another opportunity to improve as a human being. You can’t let your streak get broken at this point.

74 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:50:20am
75 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:50:33am

re: #72 b.d.

How would Ecuador prosecute Assange? Build a courthouse and a real jail cell in the embassy? Can they ferry him out of the country for a trial?

Yeah, they can take him out for a trial if they want. I think he seriously may have been the one who leaked it, too, while thinking he was being righteous.

76 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:50:39am

DERP

77 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:50:52am

re: #65 stabby

Maybe stinky just didn’t want Obdi going rightous on me as usual.

I would approve of deleting any time he/she answers me.

No. In fact, the comments were deleted because they quoted your offensive post.

78 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:51:07am

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

Some of us have. Maybe Bryan should give it a read once in a while.

79 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:51:09am

re: #73 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Talking to you is “an opportunity to improve as a human being”?

You are as full of yourself as always.

80 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:51:55am

Can you feel the love? I can feel it. Feels like sand paper.

81 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:52:09am

re: #69 b.d.

hahaha, I will be billing Wikileaks for a new irony meter if that happens.

Ecuador is getting a little huffy at Assange acting as their gatekeeper and spokesperson. I can only imagine how loathed he is inside the embassy.

Were I a betting man, I’d wager that the staff at the embassy where’s Assange is holed up would love nothing more than to throw his ass out into the waiting arms of the police.

82 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:52:17am

re: #79 stabby

Talking to you is “an opportunity to improve as a human being”?

You are as full of yourself as always.

This grows tiresome.

83 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:52:39am

re: #78 Bulworth

Some of us have. Maybe Bryan should give it a read once in a while.

He likes the Classic Comics version because it has nice pictures.

84 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:52:42am

re: #79 stabby

Remember when you got yourself banned from LGF before?

85 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:52:56am

re: #79 stabby

I didn’t delete your post, idiot, and your self-congratulatory reason for why it might have been deleted was, of course, wrong. I mean maybe you could think for a fucking second that no, not everyone jokes about Ann Coulter’s appearance, especially not in a transphobic way, and gee, maybe it’s not necessary or cool to mock someone’s appearance since that’s shit they can’t control, unlike being racist.

You are such a waste of brainpower. You clearly have it, but you just adamantly refuse to use it to in any way critique or examine your own actions. It’s like you’re missing something.

86 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:53:17am

Let’s get back to mocking someone truly fucked in the head…

87 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:53:21am

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

He likes the Classic Comics version because it has nice pictures.

The ones where Jesus has a kinda Nordic look.

88 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:53:51am

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

DERP

He does know that Einstein was raised as a secular Jew, right? Identified himself as agnostic? Called the Bible “childish” even while he stated he liked the stories?

89 darthstar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:54:00am

Okay…time to take my team to lunch.

90 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:54:40am

re: #86 darthstar

Let’s get back to mocking someone truly fucked in the head…

If anybody knows about losing elections, it’s Sarah.

91 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:54:52am

re: #86 darthstar

That’s in real history. You need to put on your GOP blinders to look at Reagan. It’s mostly his smile that you see, reassuring and avuncular.

92 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:54:53am

re: #85 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You’ll have to take my word for it that you just projected “transphobia” on me. You know, even trans people make jokes.

93 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:55:10am

re: #88 Targetpractice

He does know that Einstein was raised as a secular Jew, right? Identified himself as agnostic? Called the Bible “childish” even while he stated he liked the stories?

“Know thy Enemy.”

94 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:56:40am

re: #86 darthstar

Let’s get back to mocking someone truly fucked in the head…

I love the picture. It’s like they had to dig to find a pic of Palin surrounded by people who weren’t middle-aged and white, so they found one with her surrounded by The Help.

95 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:56:51am

re: #86 darthstar

Let’s get back to mocking someone truly fucked in the head…

She’s not talking about Ronald Reagan, but Ronaldus Maximus, the mythical figure who exists solely to deny the actions of the real man.

96 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:56:57am

re: #92 stabby

Again: I didn’t delete your post.

97 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:57:14am


We know the real reason Donald hates wind farms.

98 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:57:48am

re: #94 GeneJockey

I love the picture. It’s like they had to dig to find a pic of Palin surrounded by people who weren’t middle-aged and white, so they found one with her surrounded by The Help.

Holy shit, I just read the text. She’s seriously claiming that she gets to say who is disrespecting Hispanics?

That’s a whole hatful of hubris.

99 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:58:21am

re: #97 Vicious Babushka

We know the real reason Donald hates wind farms.

The parasite was extending its baleen to sift for gnats.

100 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:58:44am

re: #95 Targetpractice

“Ronald Reagan as we remember him….”

101 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:58:45am

Have my comments suddenly become invisible or something?

102 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:58:46am

re: #98 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Holy shit, I just read the text. She’s seriously claiming that she gets to say who is disrespecting Hispanics?

That’s a whole hatful of hubris.

Nah, what’s hilarious is she thinks the reason Romney lost is due to not enough working class voters showing up at the polls, rather than minority voters showing up to them in record numbers.

103 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:59:04am

re: #56 darthstar

Palin knows nothing of Hispanics. She also knows nothing of this thing called “thinking”.

Naturally, she claims to know how Hispanics think. She views incompetence as a credential.

104 Mattand  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:59:09am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Remember when you got yourself banned from LGF before?

From what I’ve seen, I’m guessing “No.”

105 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:59:26am

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Have my comments suddenly become invisible or something?

WHO SAID THAT?
/

106 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:59:54am

re: #61 Bulworth

I can’t stop stealing from you. Brilliant!

107 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:00:12pm

What should I say? You projected bad intent where it wasn’t.

108 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:00:34pm

re: #98 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Holy shit, I just read the text. She’s seriously claiming that she gets to say who is disrespecting Hispanics?

That’s a whole hatful of hubris.

Funny how they don’t get that condescension does not equal outreach.

109 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:01:13pm

re: #107 stabby

What should I say? You projected bad intent where it wasn’t.

Wait… Are you Paula Deen?
/

110 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:02:12pm

re: #109 Kragar

Wait… Are you Paula Deen?
/

Is there a Stabby line of kitchen knives?
//

111 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:02:16pm

re: #106 Joanne

I approve of this tweet.

112 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:02:26pm

re: #109 Kragar

Now, you’re just buttering up your karma with a quip like that….

113 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:02:54pm

re: #108 GeneJockey

Funny how they don’t get that condescension does not equal outreach.

What do you mean with this nonsense that me talking down to my inferiors is not the same as listening and having a respectful dialogue with them?

114 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:03:32pm

re: #109 Kragar

Wait… Are you Paula Deen?
/

You don’t understand, I was just repeating stories I’ve heard black people tell each other.

Makes a nice Paula Deen font, too.

115 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:03:37pm

re: #112 lawhawk

Now, you’re just buttering up your karma with a quip like that….

Yeah, but I’m not deep frying it and covering it with powdered sugar.

116 Ian G.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:04:08pm

re: #29 Kragar

These clowns should probably cool it with the assertions that we’re flaunting God’s eternal laws, because it’s been over 48 hours since DOMA was struck down and the fire and brimstone and people turning into pillars of salt hasn’t commenced.

One is led to conclude that either a) God doesn’t exist, and thus he doesn’t have any eternal laws, or b) he doesn’t care or actually approves of gay marriage, and these people have no idea what his eternal laws actually are.

117 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:04:36pm

re: #113 EPR-radar

The GOP is willing to listen to what women and minorities have to say, provided it’s no different from what the GOP is already saying.

Unless it’s even crazier than that. That works, too.

118 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:04:36pm

That’s not the first time a person of color has come between the Palins.

Could it possibly be that Assange is being monitored inside the Eucuadorean embassy in London? That his every keystroke is known? Ya think?

119 piratedan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:05:43pm

re: #107 stabby

What should I say? You projected bad intent where it wasn’t.

perhaps not, but when your congenial host and intended audience are repelled by your statements because while snark must be free to roam these threads, broadbrush insults related to gender and ethnicity don’t find much purchase here. Instead of cluing in, you’re standing there with your pants around your ankles asking if your fly is undone… in short yes, you screwed up, move on and please never go there again… kthnmxbai

120 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:06:10pm

re: #107 stabby

What should I say? You projected bad intent where it wasn’t.

Your intent is irrelevant. None of us are mind readers. If you want to avoid having your writing being interpreted in ways you don’t intend, then the only solution is to be more precise in your writing.

121 Ian G.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:07:05pm

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

I do read the Bible frequently. That’s why I know the right in this country are a bunch of hypocritical sacks of crap for not stoning Newt Gingrich to death for adultery.

122 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:09:23pm

re: #121 Ian G.

I do read the Bible frequently. That’s why I know the right in this country are a bunch of hypocritical sacks of crap for not stoning Newt Gingrich to death for adultery.

Funny, isn’t it, how their god seems to have exactly their prejudices.

123 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:09:39pm

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

ABC News has nabbed an exclusive interview with Julian Assange airing on Sunday’s “This Week,” the network said Friday.

Link

I know it is too much to hope for real questions.

124 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:09:41pm

Huelskamp: DOMA Ruling an Attack on Jesus Christ; Justices Couldn’t Pass Law School

After calling on Congress to reconsider the Federal Marriage Amendment and warning that marriage equality will hurt children, Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-KS) appeared on The Steve Deace Show yesterday to once again upbraid the Supreme Court for its marriage equality rulings.

Huelskamp accused the justices of trying to “rewrite the Constitution” and of attacking Jesus Christ himself. “The idea that Jesus Christ himself was degrading and demeaning is what they’ve come down to,” he said.

The congressman agreed with Deace’s charge that the left “has every intention of turning government against the church.” He added that progressive are bent on “ramming their views down the throats of Americans.”

Yeah, its not like the Religious Right every tries to force their views on Americans…

125 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:09:45pm

How about BRYAN EAT A BAG OF DICKS

126 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:10:27pm

re: #121 Ian G.

I do read the Bible frequently. That’s why I know the right in this country are a bunch of hypocritical sacks of crap for not stoning Newt Gingrich to death for adultery.

A big part of why I’m an atheist is that I read the entire bible when I was young and impressionable. (Ironically, I had to fix the typo of ‘bile’ for ‘bible’ before posting this.)

127 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:10:44pm

U.S. House of Representatives Votes to Legalize Industrial Hemp

Now, it is legal to make rope.

you?

128 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:11:05pm

re: #121 Ian G.

I do read the Bible frequently. That’s why I know the right in this country are a bunch of hypocritical sacks of crap for not stoning Newt Gingrich to death for adultery.

I read the bible for story ideas. I’m planning a story where a necromancer summons an army of the dead to destroy his enemies and another where a guy controls bears with his mind to kill people who made fun of him.

129 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:11:48pm
“Huelskamp accused the justices of trying to “rewrite the Constitution” and of attacking Jesus Christ himself. “The idea that Jesus Christ himself was degrading and demeaning is what they’ve come down to,” he said.”

Show me where Jesus said anything about homosexuality.

130 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:12:07pm

re: #128 Kragar

I read the bible for story ideas. I’m planning a story where a necromancer summons an army of the dead to destroy his enemies and another where a guy controls bears with his mind to kill people who made fun of him.

I am sure that the story of Elisha and the bears terrified Bryan as a child.

131 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:12:12pm

re: #127 FemNaziBitch

U.S. House of Representatives Votes to Legalize Industrial Hemp

Now, it is legal to make rope.

you?

They should go piss up it.

132 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:12:15pm
133 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:12:20pm

re: #129 GeneJockey

Show me where Jesus said anything about homosexuality.

Because shut up.

134 Slap  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:12:42pm

Sigh. Franklin Graham (and his ever-lovely and genteel sister) can kiss my lily-white ass. He’s one of the most intolerant “high profile” types out there. Not as ass-obsessed as Fischer, but more dangerous because he has a legacy pulpit from which to spew the blackness in his soul.

At times such as these, I fall back on Uncle Frank (Zappa) and his self-designed warning label:

A Warning

135 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:13:17pm

Did you know you could have inaccurate intercourse? During which, of course, pregnancy is not possible.

link to Pages Post.

136 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:13:25pm

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

I am sure that the story of Elisha and the bears terrified Bryan as a child.

That and/or he is disturbed by his erotic fantasies about bears.

137 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:13:40pm
138 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:13:52pm

re: #135 FemNaziBitch

Did you know you could have inaccurate intercourse? During which, of course, pregnancy is not possible.

link to Pages Post.

“WRONG HOLE!”

139 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:14:07pm

I am sure that Jesus kept kosher throughout his entire life.

140 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:14:58pm

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

I think there might be a tad more to it than that.

141 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:15:10pm

re: #139 Vicious Babushka

I am sure that Jesus kept kosher throughout his entire life.

He was an Observant Jew. Which, IIRC, was the entirety of his message.

142 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:15:17pm
Why Christians eat shrimp and bacon: Jesus declared all foods clean:

BZZZZTTTTT!!! WRONG!!!

The correct answer is, “Because they’re DELICIOUS!”

143 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:15:34pm

Wasn’t it Paul who declared the kosher laws null and void?

144 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:16:01pm

So if Jesus declared all foods clean, why would eating insects be bad?

145 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:16:08pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

Wasn’t it Paul who declared the kosher laws null and void?

Probably, he was trying to market a religion to non-majors. He had to make it palatable.

146 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:16:21pm

Also, the dietary laws never applied to non-Jews.

147 Ian G.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:16:40pm

re: #129 GeneJockey

Show me where Jesus said anything about homosexuality.

Show me where Jesus is mentioned in the Constitution.

148 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:16:42pm

re: #144 Kragar

So if Jesus declared all foods clean to it, why would eating insects be bad?

Fried, covered in chocolate….how bad can they be?

149 chadu  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:17:09pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

Wasn’t it Paul who declared the kosher laws null and void?

Bingo.

150 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:17:14pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

Wasn’t it Paul who declared the kosher laws null and void?

Christianists use Paul - who began his careers persecuting Christians and simply changed his target - as an excuse for carrying on their bigotry in the face of Jesus more tolerant message.

151 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:17:20pm

re: #144 Kragar

So if Jesus declared all foods clean to it, why would eating insects be bad?

Some species of locusts are kosher.

They taste like chicken. (so I have heard)

152 chadu  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:17:34pm

re: #144 Kragar

So if Jesus declared all foods clean to it, why would eating insects be bad?

Aren’t locusts kosher?

153 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:18:01pm

re: #135 FemNaziBitch

He shot. …. and missed.

/I’ll be here all week

154 erik_t  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:18:10pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Have my comments suddenly become invisible or something?

Maybe stabby is blue-gray color blind.

155 chadu  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:18:13pm

re: #151 Vicious Babushka

14 seconds. ;)

156 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:18:22pm

re: #135 FemNaziBitch

Did you know you could have inaccurate intercourse? During which, of course, pregnancy is not possible.

link to Pages Post.

I asked this yesterday: Does Inaccurate Intercourse result in Legitimate Rape?

Just wonderin’ and all.

157 Political Atheist  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:18:32pm

re: #127 FemNaziBitch

Related- Landlords in Los Angeles are evicting people with their MMR cards when thay are caught smoking on the premises. The violation of the Federal statute is grounds for eviction, as in just about every lease requires compliance with all laws. Say someone has cancer, got chemo, got the Medical Marij. card now got no place to live. ‘Ain’t that a bitch?

Not hearsay-I spoke to an attorney who works with NORML trying to help a friend. Few employers or landlords will respect the card. Non smoking buildings are still another issue, even more thorny. Gonna be fun when the Feds finally give in and or California legalizes recreational use like alcohol.

158 Ian G.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:18:34pm

re: #132 NJDhockeyfan

LOL. I saw that blip earlier on the national radar screen and wondered what the hell happened. Sometimes radar gets messed up by a rising or setting sun on the horizon, but this was at an hour when the sun should have been high in the sky.

159 jaywal  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:18:57pm

Regarding the claim that the NSA is allowed to spy on US citizens:

Could it be that they are somehow at least regarding international communications when they are authorized to eavesdrop on any foreigner and therefore are authorized to monitor any communication a US citizen has with the rest of the world - which is not every US citizen communication but not little either ?

160 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:19:11pm

Anyone who has eaten a hot dog or mechanically separated chicken shouldn’t have problems with eating bugs.

161 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:19:30pm

re: #146 Vicious Babushka

Were (are) the dietary laws about health or something else? In the Bible they seem closely connected to the sacrificial system.

162 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:19:43pm

Did I tell you that I LOVE Tammy Duckworth and I am very proud she is representing Illinios.

Youtube Video

163 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:19:43pm

re: #155 chadu

14 seconds. ;)

Found a picture.

164 Ian G.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:20:33pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

Wasn’t it Paul who declared the kosher laws null and void?

He was also the only one in the New Testament to condemn homosexuality. Jesus never mentions it. He does, however, repeatedly say that the rich will end up in hell. I never cease to be amused at the irony of a party of plutocrats embracing him. At least Ayn Rand actually endorsed the GOP philosophy.

165 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:20:57pm

re: #160 Kragar

Are you suggesting that Chicken McNuggets don’t come right out of the chicken just like that? //

166 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:20:59pm

re: #162 FemNaziBitch

Did I tell you that I LOVE Tammy Duckworth and I am very proud she is representing Illinios.

[Embedded content]

That was an well deserved asskicking so profound I had difficulty watching it.

167 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:21:48pm

re: #127 FemNaziBitch

U.S. House of Representatives Votes to Legalize Industrial Hemp

Now, it is legal to make rope.

you?

Good, and long overdue. Industrial hemp is a useful thing.

168 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:22:12pm

re: #159 jaywal

Regarding the claim that the NSA is allowed to spy on US citizens:

Could it be that they are somehow at least regarding international communications when they are authorized to eavesdrop on any foreigner and therefore are authorized to monitor any communication a US citizen has with the rest of the world - which is not every US citizen communication but not little either ?

They were getting records from companies about all communications made, which were placed into a secure environment. If other investigations turned up phone numbers, they could query the database for numbers with connections to the ones under investigation. If those numbers belonged to US citizens, they would have to get authorization to pursue those numbers.

169 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:22:50pm

re: #165 Bulworth

Are you suggesting that Chicken McNuggets don’t come right out of the chicken just like that? //

Here is where the chickens come from.

Image: image.jpg

170 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:23:17pm

re: #165 Bulworth

Are you suggesting that Chicken McNuggets don’t come right out of the chicken just like that? //

The process where they turn dark meat into white meat for chicken nuggets and other foods is actually quiet interesting.

171 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:23:43pm

re: #163 Vicious Babushka

Found a picture.

“If it tastes just like chicken, why don’t you give me some damn chicken!” - Bobcat Goldthwaite

172 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:24:30pm

re: #161 Bulworth

Were (are) the dietary laws about health or something else? In the Bible they seem closely connected to the sacrificial system.

The dietary laws are khok, divine commandments for which there is no corresponding secular explanation. Sacrifices also had to follow the same laws that applied to the dietary system.

Maimonidies explicitly states that while there may be some health benefits to following the dietary laws, but that is not their primary purpose. He says “because otherwise how do you explain all the strong and healthy non-Jews?”

173 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:24:58pm

re: #172 Vicious Babushka

Thanks

174 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:25:33pm

Greenwald’s latest self-debunking article with a ridiculously exaggerated headline: How the NSA Is Still Harvesting Your Online Data.

While there is no reference to any specific program currently collecting purely domestic internet metadata in bulk, it is clear that the agency collects and analyzes significant amounts of data from US communications systems in the course of monitoring foreign targets.

He’s recycling old information again. We’ve already gone over this. Yes, obviously it’s not possible to filter the vast amount of international communications in real time, so inevitably some US citizens’ data will be collected. But when it’s identified as a US citizen, it must be anonymized and requires an individual warrant to access and analyze it.

This is nothing new, and the claim made by the headline is just outrageously distorted fear-mongering. Again.

175 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:25:35pm

So, a woman comes home to find her husband dead from a shotgun blast to the chest. Cops investigating then find a cache of weapons, up to and including a decommissioned tank and other heavy weaponry (assault rifles, shotguns, and other ammo). They think the guy committed suicide.

176 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:25:56pm

re: #166 GeneJockey

That was an well deserved asskicking so profound I had difficulty watching it.

I love Tammy. She’s been thru so much shit, she doesn’t have time for bullshit. She will get IN YOUR FACE. and no one has the balls or the experience to stand in her way.

177 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:26:53pm

re: #176 FemNaziBitch

I love Tammy. She’s been thru so much shit, she doesn’t have time for bullshit. She will get IN YOUR FACE. and no one has the balls or the experience to stand in her way.

So you’re saying you don’t miss Walsh?
/

178 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:27:08pm

re: #175 lawhawk

So, a woman comes home to find her husband dead from a shotgun blast to the chest. Cops investigating then find a cache of weapons, up to and including a decommissioned tank and other heavy weaponry (assault rifles, shotguns, and other ammo). They think the guy committed suicide.

You know, some people prefer tanks to concrete ducks or lawn jockeys.

179 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:27:23pm

re: #176 FemNaziBitch

I love Tammy. She’s been thru so much shit, she doesn’t have time for bullshit. She will get IN YOUR FACE. and no one has the balls or the experience to stand in her way.

What I loved was how sweetly and calmly she spoke while inserting the dagger and twisting it.

180 chadu  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:27:38pm

re: #163 Vicious Babushka

Found a picture.

That is super-McAwesome!

181 Stanghazi  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:28:16pm

re: #98 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Holy shit, I just read the text. She’s seriously claiming that she gets to say who is disrespecting Hispanics?

That’s a whole hatful of hubris.

It’s all about SarahPac, she’s re-upping the grift.

182 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:28:27pm

I don’t know

I tend to think of rape as inaccurate intercourse.

But that is just me.

183 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:29:51pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

Bryan is probably referencing a verse in the Gospel of Mark where Jesus is having a dispute with the Pharisees and a commentary verse is inserted (in some texts the verse is in parenthesis) saying something like “in saying this Jesus declared all food/meat clean”).

The SDA church I grew up in disputes this (they adhere to clean/unclean meat distinction).

184 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:30:18pm

re: #175 lawhawk

“It’s amazing. You never know what’s going on right next door to you,” she told Haskell.”

She never looked in the back yard and asked, “What the hell is a military tank doing there?”

185 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:30:54pm

re: #184 Justanotherhuman

“It’s amazing. You never know what’s going on right next door to you,” she told Haskell.”

She never looked in the back yard and asked, “What the hell is a military tank doing there?”

How could she? It was camouflaged.
/

186 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:31:18pm

Meanwhile, Drudge is drudging up the usual craziness:

187 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:31:47pm

re: #175 lawhawk

What…you don’t have a decommissioned tank in your yard? Ya piker. ;-)

188 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:32:12pm

re: #186 lawhawk

Meanwhile, Drudge is drudging up the usual craziness:

And it’s a link to Alex Jones.

189 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:32:16pm

re: #187 Joanne

What…you don’t have a decommissioned tank in your yard? Ya piker. ;-)

Decommissioned? Wimp.

190 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:32:27pm

re: #186 lawhawk

Meanwhile, Drudge is drudging up the usual craziness:

And is just by gun owning crackers pissed if he gets convicted.

191 piratedan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:32:27pm

re: #186 lawhawk

Meanwhile, Drudge is drudging up the usual craziness:

well there should be and hopefully they’d march on the Fox News studios and burn that fucker down

192 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:32:47pm

re: #187 Joanne

What…you don’t have a decommissioned tank in your yard? Ya piker. ;-)

I wanted to keep the King Tiger in the front yard, but the neighbors kept getting nervous.

//

193 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:33:02pm

re: #186 lawhawk

It’s somewhat curious to me why the wingnut right has sorta gone all-in for Zimmerman. No doubt there are some exceptions, but I haven’t noticed any deviation from the pro-Zimmerman line among the usual suspects.

194 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:33:26pm

re: #188 Charles Johnson

And it’s a link to Alex Jones.

You’d think along with whatever it is the government is putting in the water to make people gay, they could put in a mild sedative.
//

195 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:33:37pm

re: #187 Joanne

What…you don’t have a decommissioned tank in your yard? Ya piker. ;-)

You don’t have one of these?

Youtube Video

196 piratedan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:34:22pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

maybe it should have been titled, “How I, Glenn Greenwald, hope to make myself relevant by pointing out shit that was reported several years ago but now has a new shine, thanks to me!”

197 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:34:51pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

I wanted to keep the King Tiger in the front yard, but the neighbors kept getting nervous.

//

And you have to fire the gun every so often, just to clear the bore of leaves, birds’ nests, and suchlike.

//

198 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:34:56pm

re: #193 Bulworth

It’s somewhat curious to me why the wingnut right has sorta gone all-in for Zimmerman. No doubt there are some exceptions, but I haven’t noticed any deviation from the pro-Zimmerman line among the usual suspects.

Zimmerman’s intelligent critique of the system (i.e., “those ^%&^ always get away with it”) so perfectly matches RW orthodoxy that he is an honorary member of the tribe.

199 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:34:57pm

fuzzie wuzzies!

200 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:35:50pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

While there is no reference to any specific program currently collecting purely domestic internet metadata in bulk, it is clear that the agency collects and analyzes significant amounts of data from US communications systems in the course of monitoring foreign targets.

OK, thanks. Yawn.

201 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:35:58pm

re: #193 Bulworth

It’s somewhat curious to me why the wingnut right has sorta gone all-in for Zimmerman. No doubt there are some exceptions, but I haven’t noticed any deviation from the pro-Zimmerman line among the usual suspects.

GUN RIGHTS!!!!!

202 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:36:01pm

re: #197 GeneJockey

And you have to fire the gun every so often, just to clear the bore of leaves, birds’ nests, and suchlike.

//

Yeah, the cops get mighty testy when I take it out for a spin.

//

203 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:36:42pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

Wasn’t it Paul who declared the kosher laws null and void?

I was taught (at the Anglican school I attended as a child) that the lifting of prohibitions on the eating of unclean animals comes from Peter visions recorded in Acts 10:10-10:16. I can’t say that’s the final word on the subject, though, as apparently in the era of Paul there was quite a vigorous debate about how Christianity was positioned relative to Judaic laws.

204 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:36:49pm

re: #188 Charles Johnson

I’m shocked, just shocked that Drudge would sludgelink to Alex Jones. //

205 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:37:20pm

re: #195 Kragar

Yeah, the little green thing. :-(

206 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:37:32pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

Greenwald has grown wearisome and Assange has shoved him out of the story.

I don’t believe it for a second but Snowden is claiming to hold all of his information hostage so the he won’t get whacked. Isn’t that the same as putting it through the shredder.

Boring!

207 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:37:44pm

re: #193 Bulworth

It’s somewhat curious to me why the wingnut right has sorta gone all-in for Zimmerman. No doubt there are some exceptions, but I haven’t noticed any deviation from the pro-Zimmerman line among the usual suspects.

I know, it’s very strange. I’m trying to figure out what might be attracting them to Zimmerman, and why they seem so angry and hateful toward Trayvon Martin. It’s a head-scratcher.

208 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:37:50pm

re: #185 Kragar

More like camouflaged yard neglect?

209 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:38:49pm

re: #144 Kragar

So if Jesus declared all foods clean, why would eating insects be bad?

210 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:38:54pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

I know, it’s very strange. I’m trying to figure out what might be attracting them to Zimmerman, and why they seem so angry and hateful toward Trayvon Martin. It’s a head-scratcher.

Let’s play hangman with the answer. I’ll start:

R _ _ _ _ _

211 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:39:06pm

re: #204 Bulworth

I’m shocked, just shocked that Drudge would sludgelink to Alex Jones. //

I’m really suprised Jones hasn’t implicated Drudge as being part of the Bohemian Grove Illuminati sect that runs the world…….yet.

212 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:39:14pm

re: #193 Bulworth

It’s somewhat curious to me why the wingnut right has sorta gone all-in for Zimmerman. No doubt there are some exceptions, but I haven’t noticed any deviation from the pro-Zimmerman line among the usual suspects.

It was really interesting watching it develop. I was watching a hunting forum, and the first day, the general attitude was ‘Stupid Dirty Harry wannabe killed an innocent kid.’

Then Obama said ‘If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon’, and the ‘N*gg*rization’ began. Eventually they were saying, ‘Trayvon chose a thug’s life, and he died a thug’s death’, and worse, ‘Zimmerman should only be charged with littering, for leaving trash lying on the sidewalk’

Once Obama weighed in, it got real ugly, real fast. It was like the trigger they needed for the worst racist impulses to be set free.

213 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:39:42pm

re: #201 FemNaziBitch

GUN RIGHTS!!!!!

Secondarily, racism primarily. Right wingers just tend to really hate black people.

214 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:40:07pm

re: #158 Ian G.

LOL. I saw that blip earlier on the national radar screen and wondered what the hell happened. Sometimes radar gets messed up by a rising or setting sun on the horizon, but this was at an hour when the sun should have been high in the sky.

NSA server overload…

215 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:40:08pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

I know, it’s very strange. I’m trying to figure out what might be attracting them to Zimmerman, and why they seem so angry and hateful toward Trayvon Martin. It’s a head-scratcher.

What? Gun laws were inacted specifically to keep the poor and blacks from being able to revolt against whites.

As I live with people who support Zimmerman, I totally get it.

black kid in hoodie = man with gun.

Obviously, the black kid was in the wrong.

It’s the logic, it’s insane, but there it is.

216 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:40:09pm

Have some joyful anarchy:

Vimeo

217 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:40:34pm

re: #189 GeneJockey

If you are going to keep a tank in your yard at least keep it in your front yard.

218 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:40:37pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

I know, it’s very strange. I’m trying to figure out what might be attracting them to Zimmerman, and why they seem so angry and hateful toward Trayvon Martin. It’s a head-scratcher.

It’s because of Al Sharpton getting involved to get an indictment on Zimmerman. The cops in Sanford originally didn’t do anything and apparently there have been racial issues before with the Sanford PD. Then, Obama said that Trayvon could have been his kid. Cue the right wing outrage.

219 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:41:00pm

Lance Armstrong: It’s ‘impossible’ to win the Tour de France without doping

Shamed US cyclist Lance Armstrong believes it is impossible to win cycling’s greatest race without using banned substances, he said in an interview with Le Monde on Friday, on the eve of the 100th edition of the Tour de France.

“It’s impossible to win the Tour de France without doping because the Tour is an endurance event where oxygen is decisive,” he was quoted as saying by the French daily.

He added: “To take one example, EPO (erythropoetin) will not help a sprinter to win a 100m but it will be decisive for a 10,000m runner. It’s obvious.”

Yeah, why bother with a level playing field where everyone struggles and the event is a battle about human endurance when you can just dope up and win it?

220 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:41:18pm

re: #210 EPR-radar

Let’s play hangman with the answer. I’ll start:

R _ _ _ _ _

Radish?

That must be it.

221 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:41:29pm

I still don’t understand:

WHY DID ZIMMERMAN GET OUT OF THE TRUCK?

222 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:41:31pm

re: #210 EPR-radar

Let’s play hangman with the answer. I’ll start:

R _ _ _ _ _

REAGAN!
/

223 Lidane  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:41:33pm

Because nothing says “painless” like a divorce that drags entire families through the mud to establish fault:

224 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:41:35pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

I wanted to keep the King Tiger in the front yard, but the neighbors kept getting nervous.

//

I’d like one of these in the front yard:

Image: P__1000_Ratte_Tank_Cutaway_by_VonBrrr.jpg


Or maybe one of these:

Image: P1500macedon.jpg

Respectively, the P1000 Ratte and the Landkreuzer P1500. The only downside; I think they’d take up the entire front yard.

225 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:41:43pm

re: #187 Joanne

What…you don’t have a decommissioned tank in your yard? Ya piker. ;-)

Who needs a tank when you’ve got the access to Grazer One.

226 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:42:00pm

re: #219 Kragar

Lance Armstrong: It’s ‘impossible’ to win the Tour de France without doping

Yeah, why bother with a level playing field where everyone struggles and the event is a battle about human endurance when you can just dope up and win it?

So basically he is saying that the Tour de France is really a race for who can dope the best.

Got it.

227 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:42:17pm

re: #212 GeneJockey

It was really interesting watching it develop. I was watching a hunting forum, and the first day, the general attitude was ‘Stupid Dirty Harry wannabe killed an innocent kid.’

Then Obama said ‘If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon’, and the ‘N*gg*rization’ began. Eventually they were saying, ‘Trayvon chose a thug’s life, and he died a thug’s death’, and worse, ‘Zimmerman should only be charged with littering, for leaving trash lying on the sidewalk’

Once Obama weighed in, it got real ugly, real fast. It was like the trigger they needed for the worst racist impulsed to be set free.

Nah, the one that I ran into awhile back was the one that made me actually scratch my head in disbelief. Solidly pro-gun, believer in the idea of SYG and all that…but he wants Zimmerman behind bars. Why? After a few minutes of teasing the answer out of him, it amounted to the idea that Zimmerman was damaging the gun rights argument and needed to be jailed so that the pro-gun crowd could say “See, we don’t agree with that sort of shit!”

228 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:42:33pm

re: #220 The Ghost of a Flea

No, no…Rotund!

229 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:43:13pm

Can I get a sarc tag?

230 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:43:27pm

re: #224 Dr Lizardo

I’d like one of these in the front yard:

Image: P__1000_Ratte_Tank_Cutaway_by_VonBrrr.jpg

Or maybe one of these:

Image: P1500macedon.jpg

Respectively, the P1000 Ratte and the Landkruezer P1500. The only downside; I think they’d take up the entire front yard.

Better question would be “What front yard?” Shit, one of those could hold my house and have room to spare.

231 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:43:59pm

There is a term for it, of course, I don’t know what it is.

It’s a cycle:

-Oppress people
-Fear of Oppressed People revolting —violently
-Enact laws to reinforce their oppressed status
-When they do revolt, feel justified in the worst abuses in “self-defense”
-Find morality and approval of your god in doing so.

232 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:44:04pm

re: #215 FemNaziBitch

I talked to a black grandmother about that case the other day. It makes her so angry it’s hard to watch.

An interesting thing from talking to her was that she mentioned that half her family is Caribbean - they look the same but have a heavy accent.

She talked about how, even here, in California, people are so much better to her relatives who have the accent. If she tries to get her grandson into a program, the bureaucrat says “this isn’t for you” with that smile, the other side of her family is treated with deference.

233 Kragar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:44:07pm

re: #225 lawhawk

Who needs a tank when you’ve got the access to Grazer One.

So the guy wanted to be paid in the money which he was about to completely devalue?

234 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:44:28pm

re: #230 Targetpractice

Better question would be “What front yard?” Shit, one of those could hold my house and have room to spare.

On the bright side, you could just live in them - especially the Landkreuzer - and be good to go.

235 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:44:28pm

re: #221 FemNaziBitch

Because he was a self-appointed he-man and there weren’t any cops around to arrest the ni*CLANG* for walking in the neighborhood. //

236 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:44:44pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

Can I get a sarc tag?

I think they cost more than vowels.

237 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:45:33pm

Oh, EEEWWWW!!

238 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:45:41pm

re: #235 Bulworth

I think there is some suggestion from the interview that he knew all along that Trayvon belonged in the complex.

239 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:45:45pm

re: #187 Joanne

What…you don’t have a decommissioned tank in your yard? Ya piker. ;-)

it’s just a garden feature!!! Sad thing is, odds are, my husband would love one and the grandkids would use it as a playhouse…

240 Bulworth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:45:53pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because shut up

241 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:46:44pm

re: #233 Kragar

So the guy wanted to be paid in the money which he was about to completely devalue?

I wish to be paid in Bison dollars, which will be worth five British pounds!

///

242 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:46:57pm

re: #221 FemNaziBitch

I still don’t understand:

WHY DID ZIMMERMAN GET OUT OF THE TRUCK?

Because every handgun comes with a supply of perfect moral and situational discernment.

Or so the NRA tells me.

243 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:47:39pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

I wanted to keep the King Tiger in the front yard, but the neighbors kept getting nervous.

//

so, ya just give ONE verbal warning about the loud late night parties?

244 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:47:42pm
245 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:47:44pm

re: #237 Joanne

Oh, EEEWWWW!!

First, to be fair, those aren’t fur coats, since they’re not made with human chest pelts.

Secondly, “Oh, EEEWWWW!!” indeed.

246 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:48:21pm
Hong Kong’s immigration department said late Thursday that it had told all airlines serving the city that they should not carry Snowden back as he would not be allowed entry after the department belatedly received notice that the U.S. had cancelled his passport.

Link

247 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:49:02pm

re: #246 b.d.

Link

So Equador’s barred him and HK won’t have him back. Guess he’s Russia’s problem now.

248 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:49:18pm

re: #219 Kragar

Lance Armstrong: It’s ‘impossible’ to win the Tour de France without doping

Yeah, why bother with a level playing field where everyone struggles and the event is a battle about human endurance when you can just dope up and win it?

He actually said it was impossible back when he was racing the TdF, and he hopes that’s not the case now.

Gets more clicks to say it the other way, though.

And Lance is still a lying, cheating SOB.

249 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:49:24pm

re: #244 NJDhockeyfan

Hoily shit, That’s one thing I support Westboro protesting! Not for the same reasons but still

250 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:49:31pm

re: #246 b.d.

Link

He’s pretty much screwed at this point.

251 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:50:32pm

Clapper is taking some heat from the Senate today…

26 senators demand answers from Clapper on surveillance

252 Lidane  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:52:11pm

re: #244 NJDhockeyfan

Hahahaha. Good luck being heard over the screams of all the fangirls.

253 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:52:33pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

And Lance is still a lying, cheating SOB.

But then, so were Merckx and Anquetil, and I’d bet Indurain and Hinault as well.

254 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:53:07pm

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

Clapper is taking some heat from the Senate today…

26 senators demand answers from Clapper on surveillance

Clap On! Clap Off!

255 Mattand  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:54:33pm

re: #193 Bulworth

It’s somewhat curious to me why the wingnut right has sorta gone all-in for Zimmerman. No doubt there are some exceptions, but I haven’t noticed any deviation from the pro-Zimmerman line among the usual suspects.

I think many on the right are down with Zimmerman’s “Kill black people” policy.

256 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:54:58pm

oooh…just got a “secret download link” for Preston Reed’s practice track of “Funkin’ At The Junction”…

257 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:55:03pm

I don’t know …

Youtube Video

258 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:55:34pm

re: #253 GeneJockey

But then, so were Merckx and Anquetil, and I’d bet Indurain and Hinault as well.

And (from that same link):

Previously, Armstrong’s former rival on French roads, 1997 Tour winner Jan Ullrich, confessed to blood-doping for the first time with a Spanish doctor. French media also reported that a Senate investigation into the effectiveness of anti-doping controls pieced together evidence of drug use at the 1998 Tour by Laurent Jalabert, a former star of the race now turned broadcaster.

But Lance may have been special in the SOB department, intimidating people who could have ratted him out. I guess I don’t know the rest of them well enough to be sure.

259 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:56:40pm

re: #255 Mattand

I think many on the right are down with Zimmerman’s “Kill black people” policy.

It really does look that way. Decades later, the dry-drunk stone cold racists still crave a good old fashioned lynching.

260 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:57:00pm

re: #210 EPR-radar

Let’s play hangman with the answer. I’ll start:

R _ _ _ _ _

REAGAN?

261 Ian G.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:57:06pm

re: #186 lawhawk

When was the last actual race riot in this country? Cincinnati in 2001?

These people are terrified of minorities rioting and communists. Can someone explain to the right that it’s not 1968 anymore?

262 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:57:53pm

Yay just read that So Cal is going to be baking in a heat wave for the next week at least and the world’s highest ever recorded temperature record may be broken. Meanwhile, looking at pics of my folks place back east it’s like looking at a tropical rain forest (which it never resembled when I was a kid). But no, there’s no climate change.

263 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:58:59pm

re: #257 FemNaziBitch

I don’t know …

[Embedded content]

That’s now my favorite bagpipe video ever. (Very low bar, there.)

264 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:59:00pm

re: #262 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Yay just read that So Cal is going to be baking in a heat wave for the next week at least and the world’s highest ever recorded temperature record may be broken. Meanwhile, looking at pics of my folks place back east it’s like looking at a tropical rain forest (which it never resembled when I was a kid). But no, there’s no climate change.

CYCLES!!!

265 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:59:19pm

re: #261 Ian G.

It’s Alex Jones via Drudge. There’s no reasoning or logic that can break through that level of crazy.

266 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 12:59:46pm

re: #261 Ian G.

See, the problem is their base remembers the 60’s and knows what a “race riot” is. So it works for them to conjure up past fears.

267 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:00:06pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

He actually said it was impossible back when he was racing the TdF, and he hopes that’s not the case now.

Gets more clicks to say it the other way, though.

And Lance is still a lying, cheating SOB.

Let’s be honest though, the TdF has always had extensive doping. It took over 50 years before anybody even thought twice about the propriety.

Oh for the old days, when riders proudly showed off their huge amphetamine and cocaine collections to journalists and openly wore rags soaked in ether below their necks to dull the pain in their legs.

268 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:00:25pm

re: #261 Ian G.

When was the last actual race riot in this country? Cincinnati in 2001?

These people are terrified of minorities rioting and communists. Can someone explain to the right that it’s not 1968 anymore?

I always get more of the impression that they’re fantasizing about a race riot than they’re freightened of one.

269 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:01:06pm

re: #261 Ian G.

When was the last actual race riot in this country? Cincinnati in 2001?

These people are terrified of minorities rioting and communists. Can someone explain to the right that it’s not 1968 anymore?

People seem to want to re-create that period in time.

270 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:01:38pm

re: #257 FemNaziBitch

Still, you’ve got to give the pipes to Bon Scott

Youtube Video

271 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:03:10pm

re: #261 Ian G.

When was the last actual race riot in this country? Cincinnati in 2001?

These people are terrified of minorities rioting and communists. Can someone explain to the right that it’s not 1968 anymore?

Which is supremely ironic, because right wing nut job policies are the exact policies that have the greatest chance of sparking race riots and a resurgence of communism in the US.

272 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:03:12pm

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

Let’s be honest though, the TdF has always had extensive doping. It took over 50 years before anybody even thought twice about the propriety.

Oh for the old days, when riders proudly showed off their huge amphetamine and cocaine collections to journalists and openly wore rags soaked in ether below their necks to dull the pain in their legs.

Agreed.

Do you think it can be different in the future? Or is it a race of ‘who has the best doctor’?

273 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:03:23pm

Great, now I’m getting the visual disturbances that go with the optical migraine. I can’t read shit.

bbl

274 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:03:37pm

re: #258 wrenchwench

And (from that same link):

But Lance may have been special in the SOB department, intimidating people who could have ratted him out. I guess I don’t know the rest of them well enough to be sure.

What bothers me about the whole thing is that the athletes are caught in a bind. On the one hand, they get paid to win and lose their jobs if they don’t, and if they didn’t already have an insane drive to win, they couldn’t even get jobs as domestiques.

On the other, they’re supposed to stay clean, knowing others are not.

Then there’s the hounding. Call me a cynic, but I think if you get to the end of your career without getting caught, they should stop all investigations and throw out all your samples. Unless they’re going to dig up Anquetil, analyze his bones, and revoke his palmares, too.

275 Mattand  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:04:19pm

And so it begins:

Chris Christie Turns On Obama

276 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:05:41pm

re: #275 Mattand

And so it begins:

Chris Christie Turns On Obama

*deadpan* Imagine my surprise.

277 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:06:06pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

He actually said it was impossible back when he was racing the TdF, and he hopes that’s not the case now.

Gets more clicks to say it the other way, though.

And Lance is still a lying, cheating SOB.

In a way, though, he’s absolutely right - if everyone in the race is doping, then you don’t have a chance unless you’re doping too. That has been the crazy calculation every pro cyclist has had to face for decades now.

Lance was a great cyclist even without the doping, can’t take that away from him. He was also a world-class liar and egomaniac.

278 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:06:47pm

re: #275 Mattand

And so it begins:

Chris Christie Turns On Obama

Aw. Bless his heart. /

279 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:07:10pm

re: #277 Charles Johnson

In a way, though, he’s absolutely right - if everyone in the race is doping, then you don’t have a chance unless you’re doping too. That has been the crazy calculation every pro cyclist has had to face for decades now.

Lance was a great cyclist even without the doping, can’t take that away from him. He was also a world-class liar and egomaniac.

I gotta say, when your only argument is that everybody’s doing it and that’s the only way you can win, then either you’re in it for the wrong reasons or you’re part of the problem. There is no third option.

280 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:07:20pm

re: #275 Mattand

Though Ann Coulter has turned on Christie as RINO - by and through his appointee in the Senate voting for the immigration bill.

Oh, what a tangled web the GOP is - where if you stray even a little, you’re RINO-d.

And Christie appears to be blind to that reality. No matter how much pandering he does to the right wing, they’re never going to accept him because he got work done after Sandy - by working with the President. That’s the unforgiveable sin and the unforgettable curse.

281 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:07:24pm

re: #275 Mattand

And so it begins:

Chris Christie Turns On Obama

Trying to build some cred for 2016?

282 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:07:34pm

re: #275 Mattand

And so it begins:

Chris Christie Turns On Obama

Imagine, if you will, my world-shattering surprise.

283 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:08:19pm

re: #259 EPR-radar

It really does look that way. Decades later, the dry-drunk stone cold racists still crave a good old fashioned lynching.

I think there’s more to it than that.

It’s the fantasy of authoritarian moral clarity and justification to kill that’s the back end of the right’s gun fetishism*. Zimmerman took bold action to protect his territory, and therefore must be in the right. The narrative can therefore be transformed such that Trayvon Martin needed killing.

*which is not representative of all gun owners.

284 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:08:47pm

re: #277 Charles Johnson

In a way, though, he’s absolutely right - if everyone in the race is doping, then you don’t have a chance unless you’re doping too. That has been the crazy calculation every pro cyclist has had to face for decades now.

Lance was a great cyclist even without the doping, can’t take that away from him. He was also a world-class liar and egomaniac.

I often wonder why we expect athletes to be heroes. You have to be a genetic freak to have a chance at becoming world class, and you have to be insanely egotistical to win at that level.

Why would we expect these things to go hand-in-hand with humility and honor?

285 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:08:53pm

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

Trying to build some cred for 2016?

Trying to save his ass from a possible primary during his reelection effort. The GOP is crazy enough these days that they might think him as damaged goods and try to run a “Real Conservative” against him.

286 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:09:06pm

This sucks.

287 allegro  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:09:19pm

re: #269 FemNaziBitch

People seem to want to re-create that period in time.

Absolutely. And do it like Wendy and the Texas Dems. :)

288 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:10:18pm

Quit Stats for moi:

Quit Since Mar 18, 2013:
101 days smoke free,
3,058 cigarettes not smoked,
$764.50 and 12 days, 17:48:00 saved!

289 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:10:52pm

re: #288 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Quit Stats for moi:

Quit Since Mar 18, 2013:
101 days smoke free,
3,058 cigarettes not smoked,
$764.50 and 12 days, 17:48:00 saved!

Quitter!

///

290 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:11:03pm

re: #277 Charles Johnson

In a way, though, he’s absolutely right - if everyone in the race is doping, then you don’t have a chance unless you’re doping too. That has been the crazy calculation every pro cyclist has had to face for decades now.

Lance was a great cyclist even without the doping, can’t take that away from him. He was also a world-class liar and egomaniac.

The seven asterisks are silly and spiteful. Maybe even cut-off-your-nose spiteful. The TdF is only calling attention to something they only partly own up to. Out of all the dopers, only Lance gets asterisks.

I still like the photo of him on his lying on his couch, looking up at his seven framed, spot-lighted, yellow jerseys.

291 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:12:32pm

re: #283 The Ghost of a Flea

I think there’s more to it than that.

It’s the fantasy of authoritarian moral clarity and justification to kill that’s the back end of the right’s gun fetishism*. Zimmerman took bold action to protect his territory, and therefore must be in the right. The narrative can therefore be transformed such that Trayvon Martin needed killing.

*which is not representative of all gun owners.

This is the narrative that was usually used to justify lynchings.

292 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:12:36pm

re: #272 wrenchwench

Agreed.

Do you think it can be different in the future? Or is it a race of ‘who has the best doctor’?

The question is will the riders put up with the measures required to ensure there’s no doping. There’s probably too much privilege and ego established for them to tolerate the kinds of constant, intrusive, 24 hour minding required. All doctors would have to be employed by the Tour and the freedom of the teams severely restricted.

293 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:12:38pm

re: #273 FemNaziBitch

Great, now I’m getting the visual disturbances that go with the optical migraine. I can’t read shit.

bbl

I had one of those. At first it scared the living crap outta me! I wondered if I was having a stroke, so I decided to test the possibility by asking my minion a question, and see whether she looked at me like I was babbling.

So I looked online for ‘visual disturbances’, and figured it out. Mine was exactly like the description, even to the time it took to maximize and fade away.

294 AlexRogan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:12:47pm

re: #285 Targetpractice

Trying to save his ass from a possible primary during his reelection effort. The GOP is crazy enough these days that they might think him as damaged goods and try to run a “Real Conservative” against him.

I hope the TPers do try to primary Christie, so that he gets a reminder that they don’t want to govern effectively and don’t give a damn about NJ citizens, they just want unchecked political power.

You’d thought he would have learned that lesson in the wake of Sandy, but apparently Christie needs another clue-by-four in the cranium.

295 majii  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:12:50pm

Snowden can thank GG and Assange for the predicament he’s in—a man without a country, living in an airport hotel/motel, not able to step onto Russian territory, not able to fly out of Moscow to any country. I’ve often noticed that some people tend to let their belief that they’re the smartest people in the room get them into some serious situations with major problems attached.

296 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:12:52pm

re: #283 The Ghost of a Flea

So Zimmerman gets the John Wayne good guy image projected on him because he shot a black boy.

If he was dealing with a white one, the situation would be reversed.

297 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:12:57pm

re: #279 Targetpractice

I gotta say, when your only argument is that everybody’s doing it and that’s the only way you can win, then either you’re in it for the wrong reasons or you’re part of the problem. There is no third option.

Yup, the whole system was/is corrupt. It’s very unfortunate that it’s turning out this way because Lance Armstrong’s TdF wins had really brought a lot of new blood into the sport of cycling, and now the whole thing is tainted.

298 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:14:50pm

re: #273 FemNaziBitch

Great, now I’m getting the visual disturbances that go with the optical migraine. I can’t read shit.

bbl

The first time that happened to me I went to Emergency because I didn’t know what it meant.

After, my insurance said “you just had a headache, we won’t pay for Emergency”

299 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:15:17pm

re: #290 wrenchwench

The seven asterisks are silly and spiteful. Maybe even cut-off-your-nose spiteful. The TdF is only calling attention to something they only partly own up to. Out of all the dopers, only Lance gets asterisks.

I still like the photo of him on his lying on his couch, looking up at his seven framed, spot-lighted, yellow jerseys.

Yeah - I hope nobody actually believes the Tour de France organizers haven’t been in on the doping too. This has been the worst-kept secret in the world for a long time. The big guys have managed to keep it at enough distance to avoid being directly implicated, though.

300 majii  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:15:37pm

re: #24 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

His ratings are in the tank. I wonder why, and whether he’s stumbled upon the reason they are so low. I have my reasons for not watching his program, and I can imagine others do, too.

301 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:16:02pm
Former President Jimmy Carter said embattled celebrity chef Paula Deen should be forgiven, arguing that while there’s no condoning the racial slurs she uttered, the well-known personality has been candid and apologetic.

Link

OK, I guess we can move on now.

302 GeneJockey  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:17:17pm

re: #297 Charles Johnson

Yup, the whole system was/is corrupt. It’s very unfortunate that it’s turning out this way because Lance Armstrong’s TdF wins had really brought a lot of new blood into the sport of cycling, and now the whole thing is tainted.

I’d still shake his hand and tell him that watching his wins was amazing.

A fellow cyclist once told me training doesn’t make you suffer less, it allows you to suffer longer, and it’s probably much the same with the drugs. He still came back from metastatic cancer to win the toughest athletic contest in the world 7 times.

And yeah, he’s a liar and an asshole.

303 AlexRogan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:17:20pm

re: #296 stabby

So Zimmerman gets the John Wayne good guy image projected on him because he shot a black boy.

If he was dealing with a white one, the situation would be reversed.

You know that, had Zimmerman shot a white guy Trayvon’s age, the RWNJs would be playing up his Hispanic roots in an effort to get him the needle.

304 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:18:36pm

re: #301 b.d.

Link

OK, I guess we can move on now.

I don’t think it’s his cheek to turn in this case. And if he thinks it’s only about a slur, he’s wrong.

305 EPR-radar  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:18:55pm

re: #303 AlexRogan

You know that, had Zimmerman shot a white guy Trayvon’s age, the RWNJs would be playing up his Hispanic roots in an effort to get him the needle.

Too true. Both racism and gun-nuttery are in play in the politics of this case, but the lion’s share of the crap is fueled by racists.

306 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:19:54pm

re: #297 Charles Johnson

Yup, the whole system was/is corrupt. It’s very unfortunate that it’s turning out this way because Lance Armstrong’s TdF wins had really brought a lot of new blood into the sport of cycling, and now the whole thing is tainted.

Think that’s really the salt in the wound, the attention he brought to a sport he now says he never could have competed legitimately in because it’s suffused with corruption. It speaks to a guy who let his ego get the better of his morality.

307 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:19:54pm

re: #301 b.d.

Link

OK, I guess we can move on now.

And your link needs fixing. Use the pencil icon, and chop some stuff off the front of it.

308 majii  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:22:42pm

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

I hope he’s talking about himself. Hypocrite. He misquotes/interprets the Bible on the regular, yet, he has the nerve to tell others to read the Bible “regularly.” Yeah, right.

309 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:23:08pm

re: #307 wrenchwench

Sorry, thanks, fixed.

310 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:23:22pm

re: #291 EPR-radar

This is the narrative that was usually used to justify lynchings.

As the Persians say, that’s a different coin with the same side.

Tribal morality…”We” are Right, “They” must be in the Wrong…is at work here. Part of it is racism, but it’s also this larger sense of entitlement that really defines the wingnut. Their tribe gets to decide life-and-death for the rest of us, and we’re not supposed to question their mandate or motives.

311 AlexRogan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:24:03pm

re: #304 wrenchwench

I don’t think it’s his cheek to turn in this case. And if he thinks it’s only about a slur, he’s wrong.

Precisely.

Her use of the N-word, no longer how long ago, is only part of this sordid deal; it also has a lot to do with what her shithead brother did in regards to the (mis)management of her restaurants and staff and what she did and didn’t do about it.

I think that it’s delicious that she’s had to hire the PR firm that is the inspiration for Scandal to try to halt the damage to her public image (and the dollars that go with it).

312 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:24:09pm
313 stabby  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:24:44pm

I left a comment on youtube that the House Republicans are on strike, refusing to do their job until white privilege is restored and there’s no longer a ni-clang in the white house…

It’s funny that every answer I’ve got has called me a racist.

314 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:27:25pm

Seems the Zimmerman trial has come to a stand-still. Apparently there’s an argument over just how much of his medical files to enter into the record. State wants it all and the kitchen sink, defense wants just to keep to any injuries occurred that night.

315 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:28:40pm

Heh.

316 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:29:38pm

Patriots offering exchanges on Aaron Hernandez jerseys

317 AlexRogan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:30:23pm

re: #313 stabby

I left a comment on youtube that the House Republicans are on strike, refusing to do their job until white privilege is restored and there’s no longer a ni-clang in the white house…

It’s funny that every answer I’ve got has called me a racist.

To be fair, I think that the House GOP would still be stonewalling and obstructing on anything that would make a Democratic president looks halfway decent, regardless of skin color.

However, because President Obama is black, the underlying racism that drives what has become their base is a bonus, because that keeps said base highly motivated.

318 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:31:33pm

re: #315 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

I saw a great video prank awhile back where a fake newscast would play on a TV in an airport waiting area. The story would be about a murder and the news anchor would describe (and show a photo) of someone currently in the waiting area (who of course had no clue what was going on) as the identified suspect.

The reactions were hilarious.

319 majii  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:31:44pm

re: #186 lawhawk

I never understand where they get the idea that Black Americans want a race war. I’m Black, and none of the many, many blacks I know ever talk about starting a race war. I think it’s what they want. I surmise they’re using the rhetoric in the hope that someone hears them and and decides to start the war. I’m down here in GA, but I am not unarmed.

320 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:33:06pm
321 AlexRogan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:33:11pm

re: #314 Targetpractice

Seems the Zimmerman trial has come to a stand-still. Apparently there’s an argument over just how much of his medical files to enter into the record. State wants it all and the kitchen sink, defense wants just to keep to any injuries occurred that night.

Sounds like the defense wants to keep anything that could be construed to be damaging about Zimmerman’s mental health before the incident out of the trial.

322 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:33:37pm

Speaking of schmancy bikes and lycra and stuff, here’s how to put your bike on your roof rack on your car.

Youtube Video

323 The Mountain That Blogs  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:36:03pm

re: #226 Joanne

So basically he is saying that the Tour de France is really a race for who can dope the best.

Got it.

He’s not really wrong. This is possibly my favorite wiki page ever.

324 Joanne  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:41:26pm

re: #314 Targetpractice

Seems the Zimmerman trial has come to a stand-still. Apparently there’s an argument over just how much of his medical files to enter into the record. State wants it all and the kitchen sink, defense wants just to keep to any injuries occurred that night.

While they don’t say why, I am sure it is Zimmerman’s MMA training background. Mr. I Have A Pistol And This Is My Land really thought himself a badass. Not just a cop wannabe, but a MMA wannabe star.

And there’s still a dead kid.

325 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:41:29pm

Meanwhile, this bit of news came down, and it should make a few people reconsider their positions


The Twitterverse went nuts and demanded that HHS end the death panelz by allowing UNOS to authorize a 10 year old girl to be on the adult waiting list.

She got a set of lungs after a short wait, but now we’re learning that she actually had a second lung transplant after the first didn’t take.

Sarah Murnaghan’s parents said in an e-mail update that the first set of lungs failed after the June 12 transplant at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia and Sarah was placed on machines. She received a second set of lungs on June 15.

Sarah initially received lungs from an adult donor after her parents sued over national rules that place children behind adolescents and adults on the list for adult lungs.

The girl’s mother, Janet Murnaghan, said Sarah’s condition began to “spiral out of control” following the first surgery. A second set of lungs was found and were transplanted though they were infected with pneumonia, making the surgery extra risky.

Her family said the second transplant was a success and Sarah has taken a few breaths on her own.

I’m hoping that Sarah makes and gets the most out of her gift and she is able to do something remarkable with her new lease on life.

But we shouldn’t forget that at least one other person waiting for a set of lungs didn’t get them - and may well have lost their life waiting.

The waiting list is a necessary evil because there simply aren’t enough donors and the list triages priority based on how sick the patient is. Allowing people to jump up the list by going outside the process isn’t ethical or moral and opens it up to manipulation (which is part of the reason that the triage system was set up - and which helped reduce wait times and numbers who died waiting for a transplant organ to become available).

326 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:42:19pm
327 b.d.  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:44:39pm

re: #326 NJDhockeyfan

Well, that should go over well.

//

328 Political Atheist  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:44:50pm

re: #237 Joanne

Oh, EEEWWWW!!

ARMani?

329 geoffm33  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:44:53pm

re: #326 NJDhockeyfan

April Fools!!! Wait, what?

330 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:45:23pm

re: #293 GeneJockey

I had one of those. At first it scared the living crap outta me! I wondered if I was having a stroke, so I decided to test the possibility by asking my minion a question, and see whether she looked at me like I was babbling.

So I looked online for ‘visual disturbances’, and figured it out. Mine was exactly like the description, even to the time it took to maximize and fade away.

20 minutes for me every time, and they have been a regular part of my life for decades.

331 AlexRogan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:48:07pm

Back on-topic: is it really wrong of me to hope that Snowden winds up like Mehran Karimi Nasseri and winds up stranded in the Moscow airport for a really long time, even though that’s a bit of an insult to Nasseri and the situation that he was in?

332 AlexRogan  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:49:31pm

re: #326 NJDhockeyfan

I think that Bloomberg’s been raiding the police property rooms, because he’s apparently been smoking some primo shit.

333 prairiefire  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:49:41pm

re: #293 GeneJockey

I had one of those. At first it scared the living crap outta me! I wondered if I was having a stroke, so I decided to test the possibility by asking my minion a question, and see whether she looked at me like I was babbling.

So I looked online for ‘visual disturbances’, and figured it out. Mine was exactly like the description, even to the time it took to maximize and fade away.

I’ve had a couple through the years. They are so weird! Alice through the looking glass. I especially liked the sensation I had of floating above where I was sitting.

334 Weet  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:57:18pm

re: #315 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

Jeffrey Feldman could almost pass for Sowdum.

335 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:00:05pm

LOL! Witness right now was asked about his medical treatments that night and then about any previous treatments…”back pain?” Yes, she says, it was back pain related to constipation…

336 jaywal  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:10:33pm

re: #168 Kragar

I’m playing the devil’s advocate here a bit. I’m not a US citizen and I’m not liking the obvious exaggerations in the reporting about the US so I’d like to clarify things for myself a bit:

I’m studying the material and it seems to me that the NSA doesn’t need court approval but only AG approval to wiretap foreigner communication CONTENT. So let’s asume the had approval to record literally every bit of communication of any foreign person they can get their hands on. That would include any communication WITH a US resident / citizen. That is not everything but a lot. I understand that ‘reverse targeting’ of US residents without a warrent is not allowed. So my question would be: It is possible for the administration to approve wiretapping of every single foreign individual and thereby approving wiretapping of all communications of US residents WITH foreigners?

337 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 2:17:43pm

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the mixed martial arts training (3x a wk!) was in the med recs. Weren’t there 4 or 5 hrs before Zimmerman went to the dr from the scene? Was there even a fight? Did Zimmerman fall and injure himself? Any of those injuries could have been self-inflicted. You can break your nose by walking into a door, for instance. Or a tree.

The PA unequivocally stated that he had a “broken” nose which was indicated by “2 black eyes” but no blood or fluid in the nose, or near the ears, nor any breakage within the nose itself (the septum was straight). She recommended a visit to an EENT but he said he wasn’t going.

The “lacerations” to the scalp were shallow and small.


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