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The Senate Judiciary Committee continued its Supreme Court confirmation hearings of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson on March 23. It was senators’ final day to question Jackson, who was nominated by President Joe Biden in February to replace retiring Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer. If confirmed, she will be the first Black woman on the high court. On the final day of the hearings March 24, the Senate Judiciary Committee will hear from friends and colleagues of Jackson about her temperament and approach to the law.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:28:20am

Damn, Republicans make me nauseous.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:30:03am

They have to engage in this performance art to let their base know that they are still racist at heart even though they have been maneuvered into confirming a black woman to SCOTUS.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:32:03am

Previous thread:
re: #166 dat_said

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I guess the hasty backpedaling and $59 a night room offer was not enough to avoid consequences.

Batshit yokel gentry, without a doubt. This country is infested with morons who have great influence and privilege within limited areas simply because they inherited income producing property of some kind. Sometimes I believe it is the central fact of American political life, since these people are the real heart and soul of the Republican Party.

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Dopamine Fish  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:32:41am

re: #2 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They have to engage in this performance art to let their base know that they are still racist at heart even though they have been maneuvered into confirming a black woman to SCOTUS.

Yep. They have to be on camera quoting the talking points, in order to get them into the media and make sure that Their People know that they are still fighting for the rights of Good Ol’ Boys.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:32:58am

From downstairs:

re: #244 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

YIKES! I don’t recall that. I remember the FedEx one with a disgruntled employee, but that landed safely.

Here’s the Wiki entry: en.wikipedia.org

These kind of incidents are, mercifully, very rare. There’s been a handful of them, though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:34:22am

I seriously doubt KBJ will get a single GOP vote.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:34:28am

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Previous thread:

Batshit yokel gentry, without a doubt. This country is infested with morons who have great influence and privilege within limited areas simply because they inherited income producing property of some kind. Sometimes I believe it is the central fact of American political life, since these people are the real heart and soul of the Republican Party.

Yes, I have read articles about this particular political class. The “Job Creators” the GOP panders to and holds up to underpaid, overworked Americans as some sort of heroes of Capitalist Labor.

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Dopamine Fish  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:36:58am

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

I seriously doubt KBJ will get a single GOP vote.

Nope. It’ll be a 50-50 tie with VP Harris breaking the tie. The GOP is the Party of No, and it doesn’t matter what her qualifications are. They are already on the record as stating that if they retake the Senate, Biden will get zero nominees for the rest of his term, for no other reason than, “He’s a Democrat.”

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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:38:56am

re: #8 Dopamine Fish

Nope. It’ll be a 50-50 tie with VP Harris breaking the tie. The GOP is the Party of No, and it doesn’t matter what her qualifications are. They are already on the record as stating that if they retake the Senate, Biden will get zero nominees for the rest of his term, for no other reason than, “He’s a Democrat.”

I think its more than likely that Collins will vote for her.

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Dopamine Fish  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:39:20am

re: #9 No Malarkey!

I think its more than likely that Collins will vote for her.

I’d be pleasantly surprised.

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Dangerman  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:40:08am

re: #8 Dopamine Fish

Nope. It’ll be a 50-50 tie with VP Harris breaking the tie. The GOP is the Party of No, and it doesn’t matter what her qualifications are. They are already on the record as stating that if they retake the Senate, Biden will get zero nominees for the rest of his term, for no other reason than, “He’s a Democrat.”

but the courts are not political //

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Egregious Philbin  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:40:46am

re: #5 Dr Lizardo

I worked with some pilots that knew the guy who did that. The guy was a mess. I knew a few pilots that are a bit unhinged.

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Teddy's Person  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:41:59am

re: #8 Dopamine Fish

Nope. It’ll be a 50-50 tie with VP Harris breaking the tie. The GOP is the Party of No, and it doesn’t matter what her qualifications are. They are already on the record as stating that if they retake the Senate, Biden will get zero nominees for the rest of his term, for no other reason than, “He’s a Democrat.”

If so, we’ll be treated to MAGAs kvetching for weeks about some super secret Black women’s club that orchestrated the entire affair, and they were this close to stopping KBJ’s nomination if it weren’t for that pesky VP. ////

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:43:04am

re: #12 Egregious Philbin

I worked with some pilots that knew the guy who did that. The guy was a mess. I knew a few pilots that are a bit unhinged.

Thankfully, those kind of incidents don’t happen very often. Aside from the Germanwings crash a few years back, prior to that, the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines #370 is considered by pretty much everyone to be an example of such of occurrence.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:44:19am

This confirms my belief that Bezos traded down when divorcing her and moving on to a “media personality.”

MacKenzie Scott donates a record $275 million to Planned Parenthood (Reuters via MSN)

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:46:59am

re: #14 Dr Lizardo

Thankfully, those kind of incidents don’t happen very often. Aside from the Germanwings crash a few years back, prior to that, the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines #350 is considered by pretty much everyone to be an example of such of occurrence.

Thought there was an alternative possibility for disappearance of Malaysian Airlines 370: something akin to the Payne Stewart tragedy.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:48:01am

re: #10 Dopamine Fish

I’d be pleasantly surprised.

I would be shocked, myself. I am sure she has concerns.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:50:10am

re: #16 Hecuba’s daughter

Thought there was an alternative possibility for disappearance of Malaysian Airlines 370: something akin to the Payne Stewart tragedy.

It’s possible, but the circumstantial evidence leans towards it being a case of pilot murder-suicide. It’s reckoned that MH370 went down somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean, based on wreckage that’s washed up over the years since the plane disappeared, but so far, the wreck itself hasn’t been found. Until they do find it, no one will know with 100% certainty (and that depends on the FDR being readable after all this time).

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Teddy's Person  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:51:15am

re: #17 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I would be shocked, myself. I am sure she has concerns.

I’m with you. She just got re-elected in 2020. She doesn’t need to have concerns for another 4 or 5 years.

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Dangerman  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:04:22am

re: #12 Egregious Philbin

I worked with some pilots that knew the guy who did that. The guy was a mess. I knew a few pilots that are a bit unhinged.

in scuba class i would point out that a personalities dont change when they get wet.

your asshole husband/boyfriend will be the exact same asshole buddy 50+ feet down with a tank on his back.

also true when they get behind the wheel of a car or pilot a plane, on and on ad infinito.

because they’re more important, smarter, their needs matter more, etc

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:06:54am

re: #12 Egregious Philbin

I worked with some pilots that knew the guy who did that. The guy was a mess. I knew a few pilots that are a bit unhinged.

I used to always get on a plane and look at the pilot hoping to see that Just Blown look. I like happy pilots.

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lawhawk  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:09:26am

re: #14 Dr Lizardo

Egypt Air 990?

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:11:44am

re: #21 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I used to always get on a plane and look at the pilot hoping to see that Just Blown look. I like happy pilots.

As long as you can tell them apart from pilots who are high on booze or other substances.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:14:32am
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Egregious Philbin  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:14:55am

re: #20 Dangerman

I’ve had many scuba partners like that!

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:17:34am

re: #22 lawhawk

Egypt Air 990?

Yeah, the NTSB ruled that was a pilot murder-suicide, but the Egyptian authorities deny that to this day, claiming the crash was the result of an elevator control system failure. The NTSB said that no failure scenario could explain the aircraft’s final movements other than an intentional act on the part of the co-pilot.

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sagehen  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:18:45am

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

I seriously doubt KBJ will get a single GOP vote.

Maybe Murkowski.

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Teukka  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:19:39am

Ouch. The Snark!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:20:22am

USAir Flight427 (The 737-300 that crashed outside of Pittsburgh in 1994) went into the ground at a 80 degree angle after it stalled due to a rudder malfunction. So you don’t need a pilot to get that dive, just a serious enough malfunction putting the plane out of control. (And depending on the failure the attempted pilot actions could make it worse.)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:20:27am

re: #27 sagehen

Maybe Murkowski.

If either her or Collins had any balls whatsoever, they would both vote Yes just because of how awful their compatriots have been. I am not holding my breath.

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Dopamine Fish  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:21:42am

re: #29 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

USAir Flight427 (The 737-300 that crashed outside of Pittsburgh in 1994) went into the ground at a 80 degree angle after it stalled due to a rudder malfunction. So you don’t need a pilot to get that dive, just a serious enough malfunction putting the plane out of control. (And depending on the failure the attempted pilot actions could make it worse.)

To the latter point, see, e.g., Air France Flight 447, where an instrument malfunction confused the pilots so thoroughly that they pancaked into the South Atlantic at high speed without understanding that they were in a full stall.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:21:45am

re: #29 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

USAir Flight427 (The 737-300 that crashed outside of Pittsburgh in 1994) went into the ground at a 80 degree angle after it stalled due to a rudder malfunction. So you don’t need a pilot to get that dive, just a serious enough malfunction putting the plane out of control. (And depending on the failure the attempted pilot actions could make it worse.)

That’s a good point. Apparently, the “black boxes” have been recovered from the plane crash in China, so hopefully, we’ll get an answer after they’ve been analyzed.

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ericblair  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:23:22am

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, I have read articles about this particular political class. The “Job Creators” the GOP panders to and holds up to underpaid, overworked Americans as some sort of heroes of Capitalist Labor.

I figure if you really want to destroy the Republican base in a state, allow the car manufacturers to sell cars directly to consumers.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:25:01am

So, seeing that the official mascot for Expo 2025 in Osaka, Japan has been chosen, and it looks to me like they’ve decided to go with a happy, anthropomorphic shoggoth….

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Teukka  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:26:53am
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lawhawk  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:29:03am

re: #35 Teukka

+1 for the Rammstein blasting on the radio

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Jay C  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:29:50am

re: #35 Teukka

Positive spin:
“See! Gasoline is still cheap and plentiful in Russia!!”

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lawhawk  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:30:12am

re: #34 Dr Lizardo

Toho Studios apparently had the copyright on Hedorah…

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:32:49am

re: #38 lawhawk

Toho Studios apparently had the copyright on Hedorah…

Well, at least they didn’t go with something like this….

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dat_said  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:33:43am

re: #34 Dr Lizardo

So, seeing that the official mascot for Expo 2025 in Osaka, Japan has been chosen, and it looks to me like they’ve decided to go with a happy, anthropomorphic shoggoth….

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I initially thought “happy Covid” but then, for some reason, started humming “Puberty Love”.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:34:10am
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ericblair  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:37:00am

re: #34 Dr Lizardo

So, seeing that the official mascot for Expo 2025 in Osaka, Japan has been chosen, and it looks to me like they’ve decided to go with a happy, anthropomorphic shoggoth….

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“Siri, translate That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die, into Japanese.”

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Dopamine Fish  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:37:02am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

And they’re proud to be so. This is what appeals to the people who keep them in power.

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Kilroy was here  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:40:29am

Maersk to completely leave Russia and sell its Russian assets

Maersk was the largest container shipping line and vessel operator in the world from 1996 until 2021.

As it stands, every third container in Russia belongs to Maersk. According to Alphaliner, Maersk is one of four operators (Maersk, MSC, CMA CGM and COSCO) who control 58% of Russia’s shipping market.

The company recalled that it plans to ship all containers previously brought into Russia out of the country by the end of April. Maersk said it has about 50,000 of its own containers in Russia, most of which are empty.

How is that global supply chain holding up Vlad?

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:40:42am

re: #42 ericblair

“Siri, translate That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die, into Japanese.”

Heh.

Manga artist Junji Ito has done some really good, and creepy, works that have a strong Lovecraftian influence to them. One of my faves is “The Enigma of Amigara Fault”.

Imgur

View on imgur.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:41:15am
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Mattand  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:41:25am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

These Senate Republicans are disgusting. That’s all.

Now stop and think about how the US Senate is supposed to be the rational, contemplative counterpart to the House.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:44:09am

re: #40 dat_said

I initially thought “happy Covid” but then, for some reason, started humming “Puberty Love”.

I don’t see any killer tomatoes, so that seems to have worked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:44:40am
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sagehen  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:45:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:46:05am
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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:46:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:47:22am
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Teukka  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:47:46am

Russians racing to download wikipedia before it gets banned:

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:51:36am

re: #54 Teukka

Russians racing to download wikipedia before it gets banned:

Banned or purged of anything critical of putin and his colossal fuck up in Ukraine?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:55:00am

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:55:44am

re: #55 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Banned or purged of anything critical of putin and his colossal fuck up in Ukraine?

Banned for not being under Russian control.

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nines09  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:56:28am

re: #34 Dr Lizardo

So, seeing that the official mascot for Expo 2025 in Osaka, Japan has been chosen, and it looks to me like they’ve decided to go with a happy, anthropomorphic shoggoth….

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Or Chernobyl Elmo.
Maybe Fukushima Elmo.

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Dangerman  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:57:04am

re: #25 Egregious Philbin

I’ve had many scuba partners like that!

Oh the stories I could tell…

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 23, 2022 • 10:59:22am

re: #57 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Banned for not being under Russian control.

Thanks.

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nines09  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:00:04am

re: #52 No Malarkey!

Rep Mo Brooks (R-AL) remarked;

“As a lawyer, I’ve repeatedly advised President Trump that January 6 was the final election contest verdict and neither the U.S. Constitution nor the U.S. Code permit what President Trump asks. Period.”

But he’d vote for him again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:00:50am
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Dangerman  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:04:05am

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I would have said if its unborn its not a child
Not sure I’d call a newborn a child either

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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:04:20am

re: #10 Dopamine Fish

I’d be pleasantly surprised.

Collins won’t want to go in the books as voting against the first black woman justice, and she doesn’t face GOP primary voters again for four years. Murkowski is on the ballot this year, so she’ll probably vote no.

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Dangerman  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:04:58am

re: #52 No Malarkey!

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I’d have done it if I could get away with it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:07:00am
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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:07:09am
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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:11:52am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:13:25am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:17:05am

re: #68 No Malarkey!

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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:17:06am

re: #54 Teukka

Russians racing to download wikipedia before it gets banned:

If Conservapedia still exists, it’s probably pro-Putin and allowed in Russia.

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Teukka  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:17:57am

re: #54 Teukka

Russians racing to download wikipedia before it gets banned:

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On a related note, an app called Kiwix has been brought to my attention which may be useful in this regard: kiwix.org

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Teukka  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:18:50am

BOOM MFing 🇿’s!

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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:21:09am

re: #71 No Malarkey!

If Conservapedia still exists, it’s probably pro-Putin and allowed in Russia.

I checked, and I was right about it being pro-Putin. It’s like the articles were written by the FSB.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:21:30am

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:22:17am

re: #27 sagehen

Maybe Murkowski.

I think Murkowski, Romney, Collins, and maybe Sasse are potential votes for her. Graham voted for her for DC Circuit, so he needs to show he has completely lost his soul by voting against her this time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:22:31am

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

also

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:23:16am

re: #76 darthstar

I think Murkowski, Romney, Collins, and maybe Sasse are potential votes for her. Graham voted for her for DC Circuit, so he needs to show he has completely lost his soul by voting against her this time.

I think a surprise yes vote will be McConnell

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:23:52am

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

So please explain in practical terms, does this mean that the GOP continue to get away with gerrymandering and assuring that the representation sent to Congress by Wisconsin does not represent the share of votes received by the respective parties?

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:25:31am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think a surprise yes vote will be McConnell

He could - because he wants people to remember him as being something other than an empty shell of a human.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:25:32am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So please explain in practical terms, does this mean that the GOP continue to get away with gerrymandering and assuring that the representation sent to Congress by Wisconsin does not represent the share of votes received by the respective parties?

See my #77 that mentions the VRA and an additional majority-Black district.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:26:15am

re: #76 darthstar

I think Murkowski, Romney, Collins, and maybe Sasse are potential votes for her. Graham voted for her for DC Circuit, so he needs to show he has completely lost his soul by voting against her this time.

Graham has no soul, so no problem.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:29:23am

Rob Portman is a possible Yes vote also

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lawhawk  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:29:31am

Fucking Ted Cruz thinks that how to raise an antiracist baby is somehow racist.

Babies don’t know the first thing about racism. It’s something they’re taught by their racist parents, friends, and acquaintances. Those babies don’t have to grow up to be racists. They can learn the strategies to not be racist from an early age.

So fuck Cruz with a rusty pitchfork and I hope all those airline staff that he says loves him so much gives him all the care and attention he deserves.

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Teukka  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:31:51am

re: #73 Teukka

BOOM MFing 🇿’s!

Le receipts:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:32:17am

another possible yes is Shelley Moore Capito

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aatharuv  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:34:31am

re: #85 Teukka

Le receipts:Receipts:

I do wonder what this means in practice. That statement from State talks about possible criminal prosecutions in US courts for those accused of war crimes.

Are there any other potential sanctions or laws that go into place for someone internationally accused of or convicted of war crimes?

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ipsos  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:36:28am

C-SPAN crawl says Madeleine Albright has died at 84.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:37:02am

LOL

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:37:06am

re: #88 ipsos

C-SPAN crawl says Madeleine Albright has died at 84.

Cancer…she was great as Secretary of State.

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JC1  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:37:50am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

another possible yes is Shelley Moore Capito

Maybe even Tillis, his opening remarks were actually decent.

tillis.senate.gov

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:37:53am

re: #88 ipsos

C-SPAN crawl says Madeleine Albright has died at 84.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:38:19am

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

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The Germans have already said they consider that to be a “breach of contract”.

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:41:43am

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

The Germans have already said they consider that to be a “breach of contract”.

I think all payments should be in petrodollars or euros and go into an escrow account pending Russia’s withdrawal from Ukraine.

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Captain Magic  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:41:57am
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Kilroy was here  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:42:24am

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

The “Ruble”, also known as “Shitcoin”.

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Dangerman  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:42:29am

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

The Germans have already said they consider that to be a “breach of contract”.

better to boycott outright than to be seen changing the terms on an agreed upon deal

that’s why i was against taking new orders for russian oil then telling them later we were escrowing the payments

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Jay C  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:43:04am

re: #52 No Malarkey!

To me, this is a case of classic media misdirection: AFAIC, the focus of the reports shouldn’t be on Mo Brooks’ refusal to go along with TFG’s insane plan to “rescind the 2020 election”, but rather that Trump would even float those loony notions on the first place.

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Dopamine Fish  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:43:42am

re: #96 Kilroy was here

The “Ruble”, also known as “Shitcoin”.

“Shitcoin” may have had me laughing unreasonably loud on this unbearable conference call. You win an Internet, thank you for the much-needed humor.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:44:07am

re: #96 Kilroy was here

The “Ruble”, also known as “Shitcoin”.

A great way to stabilize the Ruble. The only demand for it will be to buy gas.

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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:44:26am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So please explain in practical terms, does this mean that the GOP continue to get away with gerrymandering and assuring that the representation sent to Congress by Wisconsin does not represent the share of votes received by the respective parties?

No, they get to gerrymander the state legislature

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:44:58am

re: #98 Jay C

To me, this is a case of classic media misdirection: AFAIC, the focus of the reports shouldn’t be on Mo Brooks’ refusal to go along with TFG’s insane plan to “rescind the 2020 election”, but rather that Trump would even float those loony notions on the first place.

He does not care how things get done, get them done and let the lawyers sort out the details after the fact…

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:45:04am
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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:45:37am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

another possible yes is Shelley Moore Capito

Democrats voted no on Kavanaugh because he demonstrated a lack of emotional control one expects in a justice.
Democrats voted no on Barrett because she IS unqualified to sit on the bench (still!).
Gorsuch got no votes because of Garland’s nomination getting sabotaged.

Republicans will vote against Jackson because she’s black.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:45:48am

re: #101 No Malarkey!

No, they get to gerrymander the state legislature

aha. same difference: the number of seats held by the GOP will greatly exceed its proportional share of the overall vote.

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Teukka  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:46:50am
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A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:47:11am

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:48:19am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:48:25am

re: #104 darthstar

Democrats voted no on Kavanaugh because he demonstrated a lack of emotional control one expects in a justice.
Democrats voted no on Barrett because she IS unqualified to sit on the bench (still!).
Gorsuch got no votes because of Garland’s nomination getting sabotaged.

Republicans will vote against Jackson because she’s black.

weak on combatting child pornographers
soft on terrorism
supports CRT
a “race-based” choice
in favor of stacking SCOTUS
unaware that babies have souls and feel pain
puts Dijon mustard on her hamburgers
does not like beer enough to make bad choices based on it…

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Dopamine Fish  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:49:55am

re: #108 Charles Johnson

Shorter Charlie Kirk: “Damn uppity Black women need to learn their place.”

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Kilroy was here  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:50:25am

re: #99 Dopamine Fish

“Shitcoin” may have had me laughing unreasonably loud on this unbearable conference call. You win an Internet, thank you for the much-needed humor.

(Stolen with pride) Made me laugh too.

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mmmirele  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:52:38am

Mike Dunford has a long thread about a pair of dueling lawsuits regarding some NFTs. Of course these numbnuts didn’t bother to memorialize whatever they were agreeing to in a written contract, so the court cases are going to have to work out the scope of the agreement and which state’s law is going to apply here. It’s a long thread and I think he’s still cranking it out.

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Teukka  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:53:26am

re: #87 aatharuv

I do wonder what this means in practice. That statement from State talks about possible criminal prosecutions in US courts for those accused of war crimes.

Are there any other potential sanctions or laws that go into place for someone internationally accused of or convicted of war crimes?

It would lock many 🇿 fat cats, enablers, collaborators etc. into Russia and its puppet states if things go so far that ICC (or other countries) issue arrest warrants for War Crimes (likely EAW’s and ICPO Red Notices), meaning that as soon as they enter the territory of a less than friendly country, they’d be arrested.

How far up the food chain it’d go? Depends on how pissed off the international community is, but actually arresting Putin is technically possible.

1. Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefore and liable to punishment.
2. The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law.
3. The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law, acted as Head of State or responsible government official, does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.
4. The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.
5. Complicity in the commission of genocide, a war crime, or a crime against humanity is a crime under international law.
6. Any person charged with a crime under international law has the right to a fair trial on the facts and law.

At the very least, we may see sanctions on Russia remaining until all violators of international law have been handed over to the ICC.

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:54:10am

This would be 20% - or 1 in 5 troops negated in one form or another. That kind of shrinkage isn’t sustainable.

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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:54:20am

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

aha. same difference: the number of seats held by the GOP will greatly exceed its proportional share of the overall vote.

But at least the congressional districts will be fair.

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BeachDem  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:54:40am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

another possible yes is Shelley Moore Capito

Once he gets over his hurt feeling about Childs not being chosen, Tim Scott could possibly vote yes, just to separate himself from Lindsey Graham. Probably not, because he is a spineless worm, but one can hope…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:55:25am

At this point I feel compelled to note that a sitting US President (Trump) pardoned a US soldier convicted of war crimes.

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Dopamine Fish  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:55:54am

re: #112 mmmirele

Mike Dunford has a long thread about a pair of dueling lawsuits regarding some NFTs. Of course these numbnuts didn’t bother to memorialize whatever they were agreeing to in a written contract, so the court cases are going to have to work out the scope of the agreement and which state’s law is going to apply here. It’s a long thread and I think he’s still cranking it out.

Yes, it’s still live, and it’s on the heels of a Twitch stream he did last night with several #lawtwitter lawyers/paralegals/law students just to figure out the nature of the cases involved. It’s a hell of a roller-coaster ride, but the gist of it amounts to, “Cryptobros who thought it would be fun to do a thing together ‘as friends’ discover what happens when you don’t consult with lawyers before doing a thing together ‘as friends’.”

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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 11:56:00am

re: #114 darthstar

This would be 20% - or 1 in 5 troops negated in one form or another. That kind of shrinkage isn’t sustainable.

Staggering losses.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:00:01pm

Y’all saying any GOPer is gonna vote for her…I will eat my hat (with frosting, please) if they do.

Let us hope, but my hope is long in the tooth regarding republicans.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:01:11pm

re: #119 No Malarkey!

Staggering losses.

The living ones are also a burden on Ukraine. They have to feed the people that Vlad sent to die.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:02:26pm

re: #120 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I suspect there will be a few Republicans who will vote for her.

The usual suspects will grandstand. Some will vote no. But remember there are 50 Republicans and if only two of them vote for her the she’ll be seated.

I assume the Democrat from WV will not vote for her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:02:55pm

moron

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:03:13pm

Ted Cruz going off on prepubescent children in child porn again - no wonder his daughter didn’t want to hug him when he was on the campaign trail. He skeeves the fuck out of me.

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Dopamine Fish  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:03:45pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

It’s not her place to define “woman”, you complete fucking douchecanoe. God, I hate these assholes. Why do I have to live in this fucking timeline.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:03:57pm
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nines09  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:05:15pm

re: #124 darthstar

Creep O Meter off the hook.

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ipsos  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:05:26pm

re: #122 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Manchin has, if nothing else, been consistently good about voting yes for D nominees except where he’s had a family business grudge against them. I don’t see any such grudge with KBJ, and so I expect him to be a yes vote.

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:05:48pm

re: #121 Punish Domestic Terrorists

The living ones are also a burden on Ukraine. They have to feed the people that Vlad sent to die.

I suspect a lot of the POWs are quite cooperative and trying to make things as easy as they can on their hosts…and just hoping that Putin doesn’t find out where they are so he can shell them in a false flag attack.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:07:18pm

Ted Cruz is a self-regarding piece of shit.

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nines09  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:08:38pm

Bad linky

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sagehen  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:10:19pm
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:10:22pm

re: #94 darthstar

I think all payments should be in petrodollars or euros and go into an escrow account pending Russia’s withdrawal from Ukraine.

That thought occurred to me as well.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:10:24pm

What Ted Cruz finds bizarre is a new legal standard.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:11:03pm

One thing I’ve noticed is how quiet my Facebook timeline has become since Trump has faded, and Russian bots have been greatly diminished online.

My wingnut relatives aren’t posting much. Perhaps they are hiding from me or have moved on to other platforms.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:12:18pm

re: #114 darthstar

That’s a rate of attrition that’s simply unsustainable.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:13:27pm
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(((Archangel1)))  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:13:38pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Moron’s putting it kindly. Massie’s a real POS.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:13:42pm

re: #136 Dr Lizardo

That’s a rate of attrition that’s simply unsustainable.

When a country has nukes, and is threatening to use them, soldier body count is not as important for “winning”.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:14:40pm
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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:14:43pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:16:35pm

re: #115 No Malarkey!

But at least the congressional districts will be fair.

I get it now. A partial victory for representative government.

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The GOP is a racist terrorist organization  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:18:52pm
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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:18:55pm

This is what the Cruz performance is about. He has no interest in protecting children.

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lawhawk  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:19:27pm

re: #137 jaunte

Not only did Josh Duggar engage in child porn, but he sexually assaulted his sisters.

And he got his parents, members of his church, and key GOPers to help cover up the felony conduct and insulate him from the consequences of the sex assaults. What did he do with that opportunity?

Engage in child porn activities.

The number of people Duggar rubbed shoulders with in GOP circles is most impressive. He was one of their whistlestop tour locations.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:19:55pm
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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:20:30pm

How you know Ukrainians are focused on the task at hand:

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:25:28pm

Coons is going on and on and on and zzzZZZzzz…

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:25:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:27:46pm
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The GOP is a racist terrorist organization  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:27:55pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

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Durbin is channeling Chuck Todd.

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William Lewis  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:28:18pm

Hard to farm in the north country…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:28:47pm
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The GOP is a racist terrorist organization  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:30:23pm

re: #152 William Lewis

Hard to farm in the north country…

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Great photos!

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:31:27pm

Ted Cruz voters.
We keep going backwards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:32:00pm
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The GOP is a racist terrorist organization  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:32:01pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

What I wish she added in her answer was whether the claims were being brought in good faith.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:33:58pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:34:31pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

A woman is anyone you have trouble with, Senator.

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Dopamine Fish  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:38:30pm

re: #155 jaunte

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Ted Cruz voters.
We keep going backwards.

Classical conservatism is preserving the status quo. In this case, the status quo they want to preserve is the “good ol’ days”, which they interpret to mean whatever time period implements the most repressive policies against the most non-whites.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:39:06pm

Cancelbullshit

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:40:51pm
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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:42:57pm

7 million dollar cat (50 footer) capsizing in SF Bay…

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:43:18pm
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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:43:49pm

re: #122 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I suspect there will be a few Republicans who will vote for her.

The usual suspects will grandstand. Some will vote no. But remember there are 50 Republicans and if only two of them vote for her the she’ll be seated.

I assume the Democrat from WV will not vote for her.

There is no reason to assume Manchin is a no. He has voted for all of Biden’s judicial nominees.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:44:03pm

I got your vigorous and robust debate right here.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:46:03pm

re: #162 jaunte

Other than Durbin not cutting off microphones, haven’t the Democrats been defending her during their time? They were yesterday from what I read. I’m assuming, once again, that the reason we aren’t hearing from Democrats is that they’re not controversial statements.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:48:33pm

re: #167 Belafon

I think Mystal is disgusted by the attacks and doesn’t think she’s been given enough active support by the Democratic committee members.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:50:08pm

re: #168 jaunte

I think Mystal is disgusted by the attacks and doesn’t think she’s been given enough active support by the Democratic committee members.

I feel the same way. Yes, Mazie Hirono and Amy Klobuchar brought some fire, but we need more than two of them to stop letting this “soft on pedos” garbage just go by like it’s normal politics.

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nines09  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:51:51pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:52:43pm

re: #162 jaunte

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:53:27pm

Nothingdle to seedle heredle episode #278.

Wordle 278 3/6

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Captain Ron  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:55:35pm

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 12:56:15pm

re: #173 Dread Pirate Ron

Thanks, Alito.

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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:01:26pm

The notion that a Justice has to adopt the straitjacket of the worldview of an 18th or 19th century white man while applying the Constitution to 21st century issues is absurd. Cultural viewpoints and scientific knowledge have changed, so you apply the timeless constitutional principles to a new reality. You aren’t required to pretend you don’t know homosexuals exist or that women and pic are equal to white men and don’t have to be treated like children.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:03:48pm

re: #172 Grunthos the Flatulent

Nothingdle to seedle heredle episode #278.

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A clue for today! Do not read if you haven’t solved it!.

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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:06:37pm

Idaho has joined Texas in banning abortion after six weeks.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:07:29pm

re: #174 jaunte

Why blame only Alito? There were 5 other GOP jurists who voted against the vaccine mandate.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:07:59pm

re: #178 Hecuba’s daughter

Brevity.

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Captain Ron  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:12:28pm

I have to fix the toilet tank and I’m doing everything I can to put it off till later in the day.

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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:13:00pm
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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:14:43pm
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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:14:46pm

File this under things nobody in their right mind would ever buy…

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:16:13pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:17:53pm

re: #117 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

At this point I feel compelled to note that a sitting US President (Trump) pardoned a US soldier convicted of war crimes.

Does that put that ex-soldier back into the attention of the international court?

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:18:19pm

re: #177 No Malarkey!

Idaho has joined Texas in banning abortion after six weeks.

I predict a very fast stay by the 9th circuit.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:18:21pm

re: #185 Decatur Deb

I don’t think Trump regrets it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:18:31pm

re: #170 nines09

When it’s snowflake time in Pennsylvania…

Pennsylvania Republicans running for governor want a safe space for their debates

From the article:

“This is about partnering with Republicans to ensure we have a Republican process to select the Republican nominee,” Mr. Barletta spokesperson Tim Murtaugh said. “Republicans ought to be the ones to pick the Republican candidate. That means the debate process as well.”

Makes me wonder if he has relatives in South by God Carolina.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:19:38pm

re: #173 Dread Pirate Ron

Less and less Republicans every day. 👀

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BeachDem  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:20:33pm

re: #188 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

From the article:

Makes me wonder if he has relatives in South by God Carolina.

Murtaugh vs. Murdaugh.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:20:35pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:21:33pm

re: #176 Hecuba’s daughter

(No spoilers)

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:21:46pm

All these Republicans worried about children but don’t ask them to vote for SNAP benefits.

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Teukka  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:23:04pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:23:30pm

Judge Jackson is starting to get irritated.

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Teukka  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:24:11pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:24:26pm

re: #183 darthstar

File this under things nobody in their right mind would ever buy…

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That’s terrifying and oh so very creepy.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:25:05pm

Explaining a judge’s job to a Senator has got to be tedious and annoying.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:25:46pm

re: #190 BeachDem

Murtaugh vs. Murdaugh.

Well, shit. 😏

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b.d  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:25:51pm

re: #196 Teukka

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Nice knowing ya Sergei. Give my regards to the Siberian Express Bus which is running over you.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:27:10pm

Men using children as tools to get what they want.

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:27:18pm

re: #196 Teukka

That would be a fairly high level mole if it were true.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:27:34pm
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Kilroy was here  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:28:52pm

re: #196 Teukka

Best case he will be out “counting trees” in a few weeks.

*(Expression) Russian slang for being exiled and ostracized to Siberia. It originates from the idea that Siberia is such a desolate place that the only thing you can really do there is to count trees.

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b.d  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:29:02pm

re: #202 darthstar

That would be a fairly high level mole if it were true.

True or not, bet he signs a confession.

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Teukka  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:29:12pm

re: #200 b.d

Nice knowing ya Sergei. Give my regards to the Siberian Express Bus which is running over you.

re: #202 darthstar

That would be a fairly high level mole if it were true.

My working hypothesis is:
[tinfoil] Putin wants some nuukie, Shoigu NOPEd, Putin sicced FSB on him? [/tinfoil]

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b.d  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:30:35pm

re: #202 darthstar

That would be a fairly high level mole if it were true.

Dear Vlad, they’re ALL CIA moles! Every one of your guys!

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:35:02pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:35:03pm

re: #192 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

(No spoilers)

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:36:32pm

re: #207 b.d

Dear Vlad, they’re ALL CIA moles! Every one of your guys!

I think Vlad’s a mole too!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:37:06pm
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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:37:19pm

re: #208 darthstar

Russians really like Putin - someone bought him a drink.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:38:07pm

re: #194 Teukka

Any sense of how much of the kind of news we are seeing is penetrating into the Russian home front? If hard news is cut off, a bit of credible stuff will take the rumor mill off the charts.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:40:33pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

Any sense of how much of the kind of news we are seeing is penetrating into the Russian home front? If hard news is cut off, a bit of credible stuff will take the rumor mill off the charts.

Not a lot, but some. Look up now Russian news reacted to Arnold’s video, though, because it was receiving millions of views inside Russia.

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:45:20pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:48:05pm

re: #206 Teukka

My working hypothesis is:
[tinfoil] Putin wants some nuukie, Shoigu NOPEd, Putin sicced FSB on him? [/tinfoil]

My guess is that Putin finally realized that Shoigu had been lying about the capabilities of their military forces. I still recall, decades ago, some GOP economist (Stockman?) saying something like the development of the “Star Wars” defense system between the US and Soviet Union was a race to see who would be bankrupted first and the Soviet Union won. We have more money to waste than any other nation on the planet (for military only) and so we can manage to create both useless technology and products that are truly advanced, and produce enough to effectively arm our forces.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:55:47pm

re: #45 Dr Lizardo

Man. That one’s going to keep me up at night.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:56:14pm
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Thanos  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:57:07pm

re: #216 Hecuba’s daughter

My guess is that Putin finally realized that Shoigu had been lying about the capabilities of their military forces. I still recall, decades ago, some GOP economist (Stockman?) saying something like the development of the “Star Wars” defense system between the US and Soviet Union was a race to see who would be bankrupted first and the Soviet Union won. We have more money to waste than any other nation on the planet (for military only) and so we can manage to create both useless technology and products that are truly advanced, and produce enough to effectively arm our forces.

See “The Strategy of Technology” by Jerry Pournelle, Stefan Possony

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:57:52pm

Republicans are fine with endangering people as long as it’s useful.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:58:34pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2022 • 1:59:05pm

re: #216 Hecuba’s daughter

…. to create both useless technology and products that are truly advanced, and produce enough to effectively arm our forces.

Sometimes hard to tell apart. You learn when a system is fielded if you’re lucky, during the next war if you’re not. The M1, our golden chariot, was attacked loudly during a bumpy infancy.

*Does not apply to SGT York.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:00:08pm

Ever had one of those days?

newshub.co.nz

Co-leaders of the Māori Party Debbie Ngarewa-Packer and Rawiri Waititi attempted a practice Instagram live last night when things took a hilarious turn.

The co-leaders thought they were on a practice run, but soon realised they were live when viewers started to comment on the co-leaders’ livestream.

But it was too late to avoid an embarrassing moment, with Waititi’s son calling his dad out for what he was wearing.

Video at the link.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:01:42pm

re: #218 jaunte

In 100 years everything that happens this year will be footnotes in obscure PhD theses.

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Jay C  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:04:32pm

re: #224 Decatur Deb

In 100 years everything that happens this year will be footnotes in obscure PhD theses.

Well, the domestic political crap, yeah. The Russo-Ukrainian War probably not so much…

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Captain Magic  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:06:18pm
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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:09:22pm

re: #215 darthstar

Left to right, or right to left?

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:12:20pm

JFC

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:17:24pm

JFCOAPS. It took me 50 years to realize and accept that I was in fact a woman and another 7 to actually admit it to the world.

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gocart mozart  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:17:40pm
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Citizen K  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:20:48pm

re: #229 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Somewhat related, though it was spurred on by the Lia Thomas dustup before, but very much still holding on to anger from all the other transphobic shit in the aether lately.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:22:55pm

re: #219 Thanos

See “The Strategy of Technology” by Jerry Pournelle, Stefan Possony

…keeping in mind that Pournelle was a right-winger who became an RWNJ in his old age, and went all the way to tfg-supporter at the end. (Your political position could have massive effects on your kremlinology during the cold war — especially if it wasn’t your primary occupation.)

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:23:12pm

re: #229 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

JFCOAPS. It took me 50 years to realize and accept that I was in fact a woman and another 7 to actually admit it to the world.

The laws should be written so that it doesn’t matter what gender you are, Ted, and this won’t be a problem.

(Healthcare, for instance, would be written as being able to access all necessary medical care.)

From a government point of view, it shouldn’t matter what you identify as.

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:27:11pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:27:56pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:28:20pm

re: #231 Citizen K

re: #233 Belafon

Thank you both.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:36:11pm

re: #179 jaunte

Brevity.

also, Alito is the one who mansplained it out loud

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:38:13pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

And whined about being blamed for the additional deaths caused by the decision.

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John Hughes  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:43:52pm

re: #183 darthstar

File this under things nobody in their right mind would ever buy…

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Surely they’ve hung it the wrong way round.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:44:28pm
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No Malarkey!  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:44:53pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:46:06pm

re: #235 gocart mozart

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:46:33pm

About time Durbin shut that line of questioning down.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:47:40pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:49:03pm

re: #241 No Malarkey!

The white noise machine made me laugh out loud.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:49:14pm
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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:49:48pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:53:10pm
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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:54:37pm

re: #248 Patricia Kayden

This really is the best news of the day. Manafort unable to meet with Oligarchs looking to launder money because his passport was revoked…I half expect Trump to release a statement complaining about it.

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nines09  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:55:10pm

It’s almost time for

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:55:30pm

re: #247 jaunte

We also need to remember this the next time he talks, and flood twitter with crap talk about him.

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:55:39pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:57:32pm
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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 2:59:49pm

More war porn.

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Kilroy was here  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:00:59pm

That is a PM M1910 machine gun (Yes, 1910… ) being carried on a three wheeled cycle-truck.

What museum did they raid to find that?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:02:32pm

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:03:39pm

The press is broken, part 1,000,000,000:

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The Squire of Logos  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:09:43pm

re: #234 darthstar

Well. Those will brew up very quickly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:12:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:14:51pm

boo fucking hoo

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:15:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:16:33pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:16:57pm

re: #242 Patricia Kayden

Ted Cruz’s face is a stanky ass crack with hairy nipples.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:17:53pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:19:36pm

Kennedy is PLAIIOS!S!!S!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:19:47pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:26:10pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

boo fucking hoo

Dr. Oz, YOU’RE FIRED.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:28:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:33:15pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

OH!

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BeachDem  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:35:38pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

*THUD*

Fowler Arthur was previously on the state Board of Education but has never participated in the public education system as a student or a parent. She was homeschooled and did not attend college.

news5cleveland.com

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:38:07pm
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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:39:23pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

The perspective of a German soldier like a corporal who served as a messenger at the front in WW1?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:40:30pm

What a tone deaf woman.

What’s next? Wanting to look at the Civil Rights era from a George Wallace perspective?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:41:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:42:07pm

re: #270 BeachDem

Fowler Arthur was previously on the state Board of Education but has never participated in the public education system as a student or a parent. She was homeschooled and did not attend college.

news5cleveland.com

Christian madrassa homeschooling should be outlawed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:43:10pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:43:11pm

re: #273 Eclectic Cyborg

What a tone deaf woman.

What’s next? Wanting to look at the Civil Rights era from a George Wallace perspective?

She’s not tone deaf. This is the logical conclusion of the project Barry Goldwater started in 1964.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:43:18pm

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

OH!

That’s shocking. Their t-shirts are unisex.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:46:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:47:33pm
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Citizen K  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:48:45pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:49:21pm

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

Impossible! Ben Shapiro told us that the bad Jews are all Democrats. He has said nothing about anti-Semitism within Conservative/Republican groups.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:49:44pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:50:38pm

re: #279 Patricia Kayden

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Hitler’s plan was to just work them to death until the land was cleared. I have a hard time seeing how Putin’s plan is much different in the final analysis.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:51:43pm

re: #281 Citizen K

I’m none of that alphabet, these yahoos just piss me off.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:52:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:53:12pm
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jaunte  Mar 23, 2022 • 3:56:00pm

Any ideas for legislation to address this new obsession, Senator?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:10:43pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:12:29pm

The line of GOP questioning at base simply means that they believe judges shouldn’t judge, but should stamp maximum penalties on select groups of criminals without taking other informed opinions into consideration.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:13:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:19:42pm

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:20:28pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

boo fucking hoo

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:20:40pm

Marsha Blackburn is a disgusting garbage human being.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:22:27pm

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

‘Pizzagate’ Gunman Sentenced To 4 Years In Prison

A North Carolina man who fired an AR-15 rifle inside a pizza restaurant in Washington, D.C., last year as he was “investigating” a baseless conspiracy theory has been sentenced to four years in prison.
Edgar Maddison Welch pleaded guilty in March to federal charges of assault with a dangerous weapon and transporting a firearm over state lines. The case is seen as a clear example of the potential real-world consequences of fake news stories.
During the sentencing hearing Thursday, U.S. District Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson stressed that Welch’s actions “literally left psychological wreckage,” The Associated Press reported.

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Captain Magic  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:24:17pm

Yay! I’ll be seeing Bon Jovi for his 2022 Tour in Minnesota (Hi, Dopamine Fish!)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:25:02pm

>squint<

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:26:04pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BeachDem  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:27:42pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m reading Elie’s book and it is every bit as insightful and yet entertaining as his tweets and appearances.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:27:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:28:52pm

re: #303 BeachDem

I’m reading Elie’s book and it is every bit as insightful and yet entertaining as his tweets and appearances.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:29:49pm

Marsha takes a thousand rambling hours to “ask” her bogus, bad-faith “question” and then tells Judge Jackson to “hurry up we don’t have much time.”

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EPR-radar  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:31:41pm

re: #306 The Pie Overlord!

Marsha takes a thousand rambling hours to “ask” her bogus, bad-faith “question” and then tells Judge Jackson to “hurry up we don’t have much time.”

God how I wish “Blow it out your ass” were an acceptable response to questions like this from shitbag Congressional Republicans.

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BeachDem  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:33:47pm

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My favorite passage thus far:

People now know Rudolph Giuliani as an unhinged crisis performer who goes on television to spout ridiculous theories and threaten Black and brown people. But before his life as a racist spokesperson for Donald Trump, Giuliani was an unhinged crisis performer who used his time as mayor of New York City to spout ridiculous theories and threaten Black and brown people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:33:54pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:34:21pm

Oh G-D Marsha eat a bag of dicks.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:35:56pm

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Dave In Austin  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:39:46pm

Yup…..

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Captain Magic  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:40:21pm

From balloon-juice.com:
The Full Post

Recently, I was trying to boil down the problem with the realist outlook on international relations when I was suddenly reminded of a joke from the mid-2000s:

Why do Prius drivers have higher accident rates than other drivers?

Because it’s hard to drive while patting yourself on the back.

That actually captures a great deal of how realism is failing as an analytic framework as applied to the war in Ukraine. Its most prominent practitioners are busy congratulating themselves on their prescience while scolding their critics for mushy thinking, while their intellectual blinders prevent them from noticing that their policies are crashing into unpredicted realities at staccato cadences.

Since the onset of the Russian onslaught against Ukraine, there has been a noticeable patter from the self-validating back-patting of the realist school of international relations, which has not been slow to set up its customary contrast between, on the one hand “formal”, “process-based”, “hard-headed” calculation of invariant national interest, and on the other, “moralizing”, “emotional”, “irrational”, “impulsive” action leading to inevitable national self-harm.

John Mearsheimer never went away, of course, and lately has been articulating oddball theories stating that Russia and the US ought to really be natural allies against China, as a background lament in support of his thesis that NATO expansion caused the war in Ukraine. Tanner Greer, writing in the Opinion pages of the New York Times under the headline “Realism Must Guide Our Reaction to Russia’s Invasion” (paywalled) delivers himself of chin-strokers such as “Americans should be particularly sensitive to the dangers of moral fervor and intuitive judgment overwhelming the slower, more bureaucratic processes behind most foreign policy”; decidedly odd historical analogies such as one between Western sanctions on Russia and…some kind of unspecified pressure on Hitler that apparently drove him to launch Operation Barbarossa so as to “…forestall decline”; and builds to a peroration in which he…no, I can’t. Read it yourselves:

This is not a simple problem. Our desire to punish Mr. Putin for the evil he has unleashed in Ukraine must be carefully balanced against the lives that will be lost the longer this war lasts, the real risks of military escalation, the long-term security needs of Europe and the second-order effects a new iron curtain might have on other parts of American foreign policy—such as U.S. security commitments in East Asia and the health of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. To meet this challenge, we must keep our policy firmly rooted in the “logic of consequence.” Americans living generations from now will be grateful that in this moment of crisis, our policy was guided by careful calculation instead of emotional reaction.

Got all that? In that one paragraph we go from a perfunctory acknowledgment of “lives that will be lost” to the core of realist concerns, not least among which is the the dollar’s status as a reserve currency—which, incidentally, if you should catch some sideband noise from shouty financial market pundits, as I happen to occasionally for reasons not worth belaboring, is a hot topic among people who believe that Chinese open and transparent institutions of governance ideally position the Renmimbi to displace the US dollar as the global reserve currency because inflation, or irresponsible Federal Reserve policy, or some other crisis du jour. And he fondly anticipates the gratitude of future American generations for this wise counsel.

I should break off from this intemperate screed, because I don’t actually think that the realist program as a whole is worthless. Of course there is a place for calculation of rational self-interest in international relations. And there are some academic realists who have been capable of articulating more nuanced discussions of the Ukraine crisis. Emma Ashford is one example—she gave a good interview on the Ezra Klein show recently.

Also, with that kind of lead-off, I may be giving the impression that my problem with realists is their smug and patronizing tendency to view any dissent from their outlook as being somehow overwrought and irrational. That is annoying, but for the most part ignorable (although Mearsheimer is a such a flagrant case of academic backpfeifengesicht that I personally know a few people who have met him whose fists he has caused to itch).

Realism is a framework in which nation-state actors act efficiently on the basis of rational choices to further their strategic interests and protect their national security. It is a structural theory, which makes it amenable to analysis and policy choice for defusing conflict. There’s an unacknowledged problem here, though, that realists always glide right past without slowing down. The realist program buries an unexamined assumption in plain view, right in its definition: how do we know what strategic interests or national security considerations are? How can we be sure that different nation state actors will define them in the same way, or that they will define them consistently for themselves and for their rivals?

In typical potted-history examples drawn from great-power conflict that are used for realist case histories, these issues always seem very clear-cut. Interest is about territorial acquisition, or access to resources, or to convenient littoral real estate; national security is about territorial defense, or alliances, or integrity of national boundaries. The picture always seems to be something out of Metternich’s Concert of Europe, or very like. All the powers basically agree on what their values are, and on priorities: they just disagree a bit on which rivers should constitute national boundaries.

But what happens when the powers in question violently disagree on what constitutes their own interests and those of their rivals? What if their controlling historical narratives are so incompatible as to preclude a common calculation of rational interest in the cold, realist mode? This is, after all, the situation as it exists in the Ukrainian conflict. The Putinist narrative conflates a Romantic and quasi-Messianic view of Russian exceptionalism colored by overtones of ethnic, linguistic, religious, and racial intolerance and a sense of Russian imperial destiny with deep grievance born of coerced post-Cold-War Russian retrenchment in the face of dominant Western economic power. The Western narrative, on the other hand, is embedded in a reality where such a mentality does not even register on any part of the broadest spectrum of mentally healthy views of how the world works. I’m sorry? In 2022, we’re in an international security dialog with a character who thinks he’s the second coming of Peter the Great?

The point is not that “true strategic interests” don’t exist, or that nations that ignore them don’t eventually come a cropper. The point is that the entire reason for being of the realist framework as a structuralist program is that it simplifies the analysis for defusing conflict. But if the entire analysis is based on grotesquely incorrect premises, shouldn’t we at least re-examine the implications of the framework for policy?

Here we come to the real problem with the realist approach to the Ukraine war. You hear a great deal about what a bad idea it is to “poke” or “trap” a bear—in implicit contradistinction to what a great idea it is to make some kind of a deal with the bear. But the realists who make the bear-poking-or-trapping analogy are usually careful not to be specific about the deal that they propose to make. And there are very good reasons for that caution. That deal does not exist.

In Ukraine the deal does not exist, because nobody has the right to concede to Putin the territorial gains that his 19th-century mentality has prepared him to feel entitled to, but which the entire Ukrainian nation, with a unanimity that cannot be gainsaid in academic colloquia, has risen up to deny him. Even were some great-power deal made behind the back of this heroic resistance—I do not believe for a moment that this is possible—the resulting Russian occupation of Ukraine would, I believe, receive a rougher handling than was meted out to the Wehrmacht by Yugoslavian partisans in World War II. And those guys could have taught the Afghan resistance a thing or two.

Outside Ukraine, in the West, and in the US in particular, we have been actually dealing with Putin and Putinism as a direct adversary for over a decade. We have been slow to understand the challenge, and to rise to it. But re-read the Mueller Report now. Understand the challenges that Putin has been issuing to our democracy, and the admittedly brilliant low-cost investments that he’s made in people like Trump, or Manafort. Vladimir Putin, and the Idea that he represents, came very close to ringing down the curtain on American democracy with the January 6 shitshow. That was his investment working its way nearly to the core. Trump can only get partial credit for that. Trump doesn’t really have the cognition to understand what he did—in the larger picture, he’s a glove puppet with Putin’s hand up his ass. Why would we make a deal with the Bear that allows Putin to regroup, and invest in another Trump, or perhaps in a newer, shinier, later-model Tucker Carlson, now that too many people can see the puppet strings stretching up from the current, somewhat soiled one?

I have no idea what the likes of Mearsheimer were doing, or thinking, on January 6, but they clearly were not doing intellectual due-diligence, or taking the trouble of marking their beliefs to market. If they had been doing so, they would have behaved in a much more chastened manner when the Ukraine war began. It seems completely clear to me, in any event, that realist counsel in this war is to be totally disregarded now. There can be no compromise with Putinism. Vladimir Putin started this fight. Whatever it takes—weapons and intelligence aid to Ukraine, sanctions piled upon sanctions for Russia, containment or rollback for international Putinism—we, in the West, had better finish it. The correct framing is not coming to an understanding with Putin over Ukraine: It is coming to an understanding with Russia over ending Putinism. Even another Cold War would be worth gaining that end.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:42:16pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:43:19pm

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

I need to find a news link to this story and it needs to me tonight Turning Point USA’s participation. I have seen TPA flashing on the electronic billboards at my son’s school and I want to point it out to the school district with out sounding too left wing since I’m in red Texas.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:44:48pm

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

>squint<

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It might be a touch condescending but at least Thom Tillis is trying to be polite and civil, rather like the old days before Garland. Maybe the outrageous behavior of so many GOP interrogators will persuade a few Republicans to support her nomination.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:47:52pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:54:25pm

re: #311 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Which is why Edge is a version of Chromium and they no longer support IE.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 23, 2022 • 4:57:31pm

re: #318 Belafon

Which is why Edge is a version of Chromium and they no longer support IE.

I had to use IE a lot because it was all that was supported by in-house web apps at a former employer. It was awful.

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John Hughes  Mar 23, 2022 • 5:21:11pm

re: #255 Kilroy was here

The least technical technical so far.

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John Hughes  Mar 23, 2022 • 5:24:13pm

re: #255 Kilroy was here

What museum did they raid to find that?

It has been said that Russia continues the USSR’s tradition of never throwing anything away.

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darthstar  Mar 23, 2022 • 5:40:30pm
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Eventual Carrion  Mar 23, 2022 • 9:31:26pm

re: #183 darthstar

File this under things nobody in their right mind would ever buy…

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But the whole peeping thing is believable.


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