Duuude! Nice curl!

/just trying to get into the California spirit here. ;)

Ockeghem - Deo gratias

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

I think you're speaking the wrong language, for starters...

Is that a tanker, way off to the left, on the horizon?
Totally tubular, dude!

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Nice!

re: #5 Sharmuta

From the days when Catholicism was trippy!

continuity... wave, upon the water with neither beginning nor end... a silent crash, captured.

With only 27 shopping days left, time for some innovative music:

Ahhh, fresh thread...

re: #6 Killgore Trout

I really love it- just lovely. Thank you.

re: #6 Killgore Trout

From the days when Catholicism was trippy!

Ever been to a Mass in Latin? I went, as a child, with a friend.
It was a lovely piece of performance art.

Pssst...anybody want to buy an ethanol plant?

/slightly used.

re: #10 Floral Giraffe

I was raised Catholic although now I'm atheist. I didn't really start to appreciate a full sung high mass until I got a conservatory education. It's tough to find these days but Ratzinger (for all his other faults) is making an effort to bring them back. Eastern Orthodox mass is also nice if you can get it.

re: #11 Fenway_Nation

Even at pennies on the dollar, it's out of my range...

"Total fixed asset construction costs of ~$185 million "

re: #11 Fenway_Nation

Pssst...anybody want to buy an ethanol plant?

/slightly used.

I have been looking for more house lately. What day is trash day?

re: #13 Floral Giraffe

Does not really auger well for 'renewable' or 'biofuels' if they're already starting to go bankrupt even with alread-generous agricultural subsidies.

re: #15 Fenway_Nation

It's not just biofuels. It's every business that didn't think the growth would never end, and some that got ugly suprises.

Did you have a nice Thanksgiving?

Downstairs, JohninLondon is posting some interesting music...

re: #16 Floral Giraffe

More or less...

I'm grateful that there aren't anymore turkey leftovers that get increasingly unappetizing as we head into December.

/Went with a pork roast instead

One more...
"Ave Maris Stella" - Guillaume Dufay

Humans make the most interesting sounds when properly motivated.
/Manaste, y'all

You know what? This pisses me off.. I get up in the middle of the night to watch Wade play ball on ESPN...Crack open a beer..Drag little Winston into the living room..Turn on the big screen..settle in...Get excited..
And freaking ESPN has poker on..Freaking poker!
I'm wide awake pissed off watching poker..Is there a more stupid show on in the history of the world than watching somebody playing poker?
Switching channels..Winston fell back asleep..Poor little feller..Daddy stopped yelling at the TV...I'm awake now dang it...It's a quarter to 3am and no Ball on..
My luck..You know I'm just waiting for somebody to say something smartass...
Why you up hoopster? What?
*wink*

re: #15 Fenway_Nation

Does not really auger well for 'renewable' or 'biofuels' if they're already starting to go bankrupt even with alread-generous agricultural subsidies.

Nuclear generated electricity. Battery technology. And non-watch-like Russian rockets to propel the nuclear waste into deep space.

re: #20 HoosierHoops

Drink your beer & go back to bed?
Get good & cold, so the bed'll feel warm?
Don't forget Winston!
{{HH}}

re: #21 Gus 802

Nuclear generated electricity. Battery technology. And non-watch-like Russian rockets to propel the nuclear waste into deep space.

Sounds good to me.

re: #21 Gus 802

Nuclear generated electricity. Battery technology. And non-watch-like Russian rockets to propel the nuclear waste into deep space.

I don't think that will ever become cost effective unless we either discover anti-gravity, or have a space elevator setup. Dumping nuke waste on the moon or in a non-earth intersecting orbit is not that hard, getting from the ground to earth orbit in the first place. Very hard.

re: #20 HoosierHoops

Agreed. However, Meg Tilly plays poker professionally.

I'll leave you with that thought.

re: #22 Floral Giraffe

Drink your beer & go back to bed?
Get good & cold, so the bed'll feel warm?
Don't forget Winston!
{{HH}}

yup..I'm watching NFL highlights on Showtime and Winston is asleep on my lap...I so wanted to watch Wade play ball this morning...Guess I'll hit the sack after this beer...unless I find something good on..I'm wide awake

re: #21 Gus 802

re: #24 ArchangelMichael

We could always get Superman to drop them into the sun.

re: #24 ArchangelMichael

I don't think that will ever become cost effective unless we either discover anti-gravity, or have a space elevator setup. Dumping nuke waste on the moon or in a non-earth intersecting orbit is not that hard, getting from the ground to earth orbit in the first place. Very hard.

I meant to send it off on a straight trajectory. I know, "what if there was an accident." OK, I guess I don't have an answer. To be honest. It's almost looking like we've become scared of ourselves. We're not willing to take chances. I guess we're all going on 9 volts DC here soon. :)

re: #26 HoosierHoops

Goodnight, it's late here!
Later where you are though...

re: #29 Floral Giraffe

So late it's early!

re: #29 Floral Giraffe

Goodnight, it's late here!
Later where you are though...

Be well..Sweet dreams my friend...

Solar, not enough sun in many regions. Oil, emissions and CO2. Nuclear, waste or accidents. Ethanol, water. Electric, battery waster. Gas, emission and CO2. Wind, not enough wind and it kill teh bats. Hydroelectric, it disturbs teh natives.

Nah, we're not defeatist.

Music for Christoper Walken to Repeatedly Shoot Dennis Hopper in the Face by:

/True Romance reference.

re: #33 Fenway_Nation

Music for Christoper Walken to Repeatedly Shoot Dennis Hopper in the Face by:

/True Romance reference.

Those are Germans. I heard they have a low carbon footprint.

So what's your favorite section at Wellness Foods?

//

re: #28 Gus 802

I meant to send it off on a straight trajectory. I know, "what if there was an accident." OK, I guess I don't have an answer. To be honest. It's almost looking like we've become scared of ourselves. We're not willing to take chances. I guess we're all going on 9 volts DC here soon. :)

Even a "straight trajectory" would actually be a solar orbit, and since it came from Earth originally, that orbit would intersect Earth orbit with a potential for Bad Things®. Regardless, the amount of fuel required to get stuff up into space makes this way too costly which is why I think it would have to wait for a space elevator, or far less likely, antigravity/controlled dark energy.

Now its just better to drill a 2-3km hole into the Laurentian Craton and drop it all down there. Subduction zones would be good too as long as we are reasonably sure that the volcanos above them don't spit nuclear waste right back out well before it diffuses in the mantle and takes a multi-million year journey to the mid-ocean ridges.

re: #35 ArchangelMichael

And...

Hope we figure out aneutronic fusion power generation more sooner than later.

re: #34 Gus 802

The channel is German, the opera itself is French, the blonde is Lithuanian and the brunette is Russian.

/Not that I had to look that shit up on Wikipedia or Google or anything.

re: #6 Killgore Trout

From the days when Catholicism was trippy!

Hildegard von Bingen (1098 - 1179) was quite a trip in herself, and way ahead of the curve:

O Jerusalem:

re: #34 Gus 802

Those are Germans. I heard they have a low carbon footprint.

So what's your favorite section at Wellness Foods?

//

They also bombed Pearl Harbor and discovered San Diego (which of course in German means "A Whale's Vagina") in 1906.

re: #35 ArchangelMichael

Even a "straight trajectory" would actually be a solar orbit, and since it came from Earth originally, that orbit would intersect Earth orbit with a potential for Bad Things®. Regardless, the amount of fuel required to get stuff up into space makes this way too costly which is why I think it would have to wait for a space elevator, or far less likely, antigravity/controlled dark energy.

Now its just better to drill a 2-3km hole into the Laurentian Craton and drop it all down there. Subduction zones would be good too as long as we are reasonably sure that the volcanos above them don't spit nuclear waste right back out well before it diffuses in the mantle and takes a multi-million year journey to the mid-ocean ridges.

That would work. What about massive space sail craft to get rid of the waste? We could always find one-way astronauts rather easily considering. Or would we have another human emotional component to deal with?

re: #39 ArchangelMichael

They also bombed Pearl Harbor and discovered San Diego (which of course in German means "A Whale's Vagina") in 1906.

I blame it all on Otto Von Bismarck.

re: #40 Gus 802

Still costs millions in rocket fuel to get a few tons up from the ground at a time. Gravity is a foul whipmistress who doesn't care if you have a safe word.

re: #33 Fenway_Nation

Music for Christoper Walken to Repeatedly Shoot Dennis Hopper in the Face by:

/True Romance reference.

60% tax rate can buy you a mean opera.

re: #42 ArchangelMichael

Still costs millions in rocket fuel to get a few tons up from the ground at a time. Gravity is a foul whipmistress who doesn't care if you have a safe word.

Could be phased.

Guess what I'm saying is that we won't do anything. I think we're scared of everything. Nobody wants nuclear waste in their "backyard." Solar is about the only real alternative. Wind is dependent on, well, wind. Then we have to get people to not complain about clearing large swaths of land for solar farming.

Scenes from the upcoming trainwreck of a movie (literally), Unstoppable.

Time for me to sign off. Goodnight, all.

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

Time for me to sign off. Goodnight, all.

Later!

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

G'nite, D_F!

I never was a climate liar. There is no such thing as a man-made climate change.

re: #49 son of a son

I never was a climate liar. There is no such thing as a man-made climate change.

What, is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

re: #50 Gus 802

What, is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

Is this a trick question?

re: #49 son of a son

I never was a climate liar. There is no such thing as a man-made climate change.

Whatever..Man doesn't effect the world at all..Any other broad statement tonight genius?

re: #51 Bagua

Is this a trick question?

What do you mean?

...

re: #44 Gus 802

Could be phased.

Guess what I'm saying is that we won't do anything. I think we're scared of everything. Nobody wants nuclear waste in their "backyard." Solar is about the only real alternative. Wind is dependent on, well, wind. Then we have to get people to not complain about clearing large swaths of land for solar farming.

One thing we need to work on, first and foremost is a way of streamlining the approval process for building just about anything. Once something gets the green light from whatever committee or bureaucrat, that should be the end of it. No decades worth of NIMBY or Sierra club lawsuits. They get one chance to complain, at the beginning. If the thing gets approved, tough shitski to them. If all the correct steps were taken, and then it goes to a judge, it should be SOP for judges to dismiss them as frivilous lawsuits.

I see this in Southern California a lot. A company wants to build something and they bend over backwards to get it approved, then every NIMBY and BANANA pops out of the woodwork with a lawsuit.

re: #54 ArchangelMichael

True. Especially if you're a high profile applicant. Then all the regional "homeowner's groups" show up in droves. Even people that live behind curtains and locked up in their own house suddenly take interest. Which means sometimes then that people that haven't looked at "their view" suddenly take an interest in "their view."

re: #50 Gus 802

What, is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

Well it depends on the species, doesn’t it? For example :

The European Swallow has a body mass of 20grams, and beats its wings at a frequency of 18 hz and an amplitude of 18cm.

After solving the predicted pattern of cruising flight ranges

U ≈ 3fA
f ≈ 15 (beats per second)
A ≈ 0.22 (meters per beat)
U ≈ 3*15*0.22 ≈ 9.9

... to estimate that the airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is 10 meters per second.

A different species of sparrow would have different results.

re: #57 Bagua

Yep. Undeterminable.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Later me buckos.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail - Three Questions

re: #40 Gus 802

That would work. What about massive space sail craft to get rid of the waste? We could always find one-way astronauts rather easily considering. Or would we have another human emotional component to deal with?

Reminds me of the massive trash asteroid from Futurama.

[Philippe Douvier just set up a trap for Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau and invited him to it with a phone call]

Simone Le Gree: That's so obvious, he's bound to think it's a trap...

Philippe Douvier: Yes, or it's so obvious that he's bound to think it can't be a trap.

Cato: It's so obvious, it's bound to be a trap.

Clouseau: That is why you'll never be a great detective, Cato. It's so obvious that it could not possibly be a trap.

G'nite all!

Good Morning Lizards! East Coast crew is up and has the watch. Waiting to see the Hokies whoop the Wa-hoos this afternoon.

"Check. Check. Check 1. Sibilance. Sibilance. Check. Check. Check 2. Sibilance. Sibilance."

[Link: www.hulu.com...]

I wrote something witty here, but it left because no one payed it any attention.

CCA,

Thank goodness you are here. I've been holding this thread up for about an hour. Give me a hand.

re: #66 rwdflynavy

CCA,

Thank goodness you are here. I've been holding this thread up for about an hour. Give me a hand.

You north or back in J'ville?

re: #67 Cannadian Club Akbar

Still in Roanoke, head back tomorrow. Looks like the temps are about the same for now.

re: #68 rwdflynavy

Everyone here hates the heat. But, it gets down to 50 degrees, and they set their heat on 85. Geez.

December 5th...Florida vs. Alabama. SEC championship game. Sets up a showdown with Texas for the National Championship, so long as no one shits the bed this weekend.

re: #70 Cannadian Club Akbar

December 5th...Florida vs. Alabama. SEC championship game. Sets up a showdown with Texas for the National Championship, so long as no one shits the bed this weekend.

I so want Alabama to win. I can't stand Florida and they had such a weak strength of season this year.

re: #71 rwdflynavy

I so want Alabama to win. I can't stand Florida and they had such a weak strength of season this year.

Bama has a nice D and there is speculation whether or not Tebow ever got over his concussion. I don't have a dog in the fight, but should be a good game. My USF Bulls are playing Miami today. Not sure how that is gonna work out.

just payed off the deposit for my trip stateside in the new year :-)

Colorado and Texas here i come...

(does a little dance, makes a little noise)

re: #73 wozzablog

just payed off the deposit for my trip stateside in the new year :-)

Colorado and Texas here i come...

(does a little dance, makes a little noise)

I'm just glad you're not coming to Florida.
/// Mickey told me he HATES you.

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

only 'cos of what i did with Minnie - and that was just a misunderstanding...

re: #75 wozzablog

only 'cos of what i did with Minnie - and that was just a misunderstanding...

What time of year you coming?

re: #76 Cannadian Club Akbar

hitting Denver on the 21st Jan... (yikes i know)

Texas in February - visiting a lady friend there, roll together her birthday and valentines :-)

re: #77 wozzablog

hitting Denver on the 21st Jan... (yikes i know)

Texas in February - visiting a lady friend there, roll together her birthday and valentines :-)

When flying into Denver, look out the window and wave to Walter. But, on approach for landing, he will be at a higher altitude, so look up.

re: #44 Gus 802

Could be phased.

Guess what I'm saying is that we won't do anything. I think we're scared of everything. Nobody wants nuclear waste in their "backyard." Solar is about the only real alternative. Wind is dependent on, well, wind. Then we have to get people to not complain about clearing large swaths of land for solar farming.

Waste is a problem, but the French manage it, and a huge percentage of their electricity is generated with nuclear plants. So much, in fact, that they sell the excess electricity to other countries.

Briefly, they deal with the waste by concentrating it to a small fraction of it's original volume. It's more radioactive that way, but storage isn't nearly as much of a problem in terms of space, and the half-life is also shortened. I believe they also extract useful isotopes of other elements that are used elsewhere.

Anyway, if the French can do it, I have to imagine that we certainly can.

re: #54 ArchangelMichael

One thing we need to work on, first and foremost is a way of streamlining the approval process for building just about anything. Once something gets the green light from whatever committee or bureaucrat, that should be the end of it. No decades worth of NIMBY or Sierra club lawsuits. They get one chance to complain, at the beginning. If the thing gets approved, tough shitski to them. If all the correct steps were taken, and then it goes to a judge, it should be SOP for judges to dismiss them as frivilous lawsuits.

I see this in Southern California a lot. A company wants to build something and they bend over backwards to get it approved, then every NIMBY and BANANA pops out of the woodwork with a lawsuit.

California doesn't produce nearly enough electricity to meet it's own needs, since getting any sort of power plant built is nearly impossible. The situation has resulted in a building boom for power plants in neighboring states, which happily sell their excess electricity to California, while California gets to pretend they aren't generating pollution.

It's a lot like the Kyoto Protocol and the upcoming Copenhagen Conference - you don't eliminate pollution, you just shift it somewhere else.

re: #79 SixDegrees

When I think of nuke waste, I think of the Simpsons episode where Homer became a farmer and used it as fertilizer. He then mixed tobacco and tomato plants. Result? Tomato plants full of nicotine. Tomacco. Heh.

re: #81 Cannadian Club Akbar

When I think of nuke waste, I think of the Simpsons episode where Homer became a farmer and used it as fertilizer. He then mixed tobacco and tomato plants. Result? Tomato plants full of nicotine. Tomacco. Heh.

"If science fiction has taught us anything, it's that radiation makes everything big!"

re: #82 SixDegrees

"If science fiction has taught us anything, it's that radiation makes everything big!"

Remember the Gilligan's Island episode? That was funny.

re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar

I want my nuclear-powered car!

re: #84 SixDegrees

I want my nuclear-powered car!

Holy shit!! The Flux Capacitor!!
/

re: #80 SixDegrees

Southern California also has clothesline laws. What is more important, a subjective detriment to local property values or reducing energy demand?

Both the Soviet and US military experimented with nuclear-powered aircraft, one of the dumbest megalomaniac military-industrial ideas I have ever heard of.

Terrorists attacked a train in Russia?

re: #86 ralphieboy

Southern California also has clothesline laws. What is more important, a subjective detriment to local property values or reducing energy demand?

Both the Soviet and US military experimented with nuclear-powered aircraft, one of the dumbest megalomaniac military-industrial ideas I have ever heard of.

We dried most of our clothes last summer outside. My gas bill fell by half. Granted, the only other thing that uses it during the summer is the water heater, but it was still a significant savings.

A lot of places have ordinances against such things. We called first and found out we didn't have to worry about it, but I was prepared to fight otherwise, in the wake of $4 gasoline and continuous bleating from Washington about energy independence.

It seems like this ought to be the best possible time to get such stupid laws overturned.

To kick things off, someone ought to invite a couple dozen designers to create really cool, extremely pricey drying racks. Rope in the wealthy - who'll buy anything trendy - and everything else will follow.

re: #88 SixDegrees

There was a time not long ago when the upper crust in France made their own chocolate chip cookies. Just like common folk.

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar

There was a time not long ago when the upper crust in France made their own chocolate chip cookies. Just like common folk.

I want cookies now.

re: #88 SixDegrees

We dried most of our clothes last summer outside. My gas bill fell by half. Granted, the only other thing that uses it during the summer is the water heater, but it was still a significant savings.

A lot of places have ordinances against such things. We called first and found out we didn't have to worry about it, but I was prepared to fight otherwise, in the wake of $4 gasoline and continuous bleating from Washington about energy independence.

It seems like this ought to be the best possible time to get such stupid laws overturned.

To kick things off, someone ought to invite a couple dozen designers to create really cool, extremely pricey drying racks. Rope in the wealthy - who'll buy anything trendy - and everything else will follow.

What about HOA's that forbid those?

re: #91 MandyManners

What about HOA's that forbid those?

Home owners' associations.

I watched something on History last night about the White House. One of the presidents wives (can't remember which one) used the East room to hang laundry.

re: #91 MandyManners

What about HOA's that forbid those?

I'm pretty sure the rule in such cases is that the more local rule or ordinance takes precedence.

The rationale behind the restrictions is that the sight of your laundry flapping in the breeze offends your neighbors. So if all your neighbors are in the HOA, there's already been mutual agreement that it's OK.

Also, "nuisance" ordinances like this are almost never enforced unless the police receive an actual complaint. It's not like the police are going to waste their time patrolling for laundry violations.

But still, it ought to be up to the homeowner. I don't like the color of my neighbor's roof, but I'm pretty much stuck with it.

re: #79 SixDegrees

Waste is a problem, but the French manage it, and a huge percentage of their electricity is generated with nuclear plants. So much, in fact, that they sell the excess electricity to other countries.

Briefly, they deal with the waste by concentrating it to a small fraction of it's original volume. It's more radioactive that way, but storage isn't nearly as much of a problem in terms of space, and the half-life is also shortened. I believe they also extract useful isotopes of other elements that are used elsewhere.

Anyway, if the French can do it, I have to imagine that we certainly can.

Another cup of Kool-Aid, anyone? It's French, and it glows in the dark!

[Link: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...]

re: #95 ryannon

Another cup of Kool-Aid, anyone? It's French, and it glows in the dark!

[Link: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...]

Interestingly, the abstract states that the results pretty much eliminate the possibility that leukemia was caused by exposure to radiation, and offers a tantalizing hint that there may be an infective agent at work. The area was being monitored out of concerns over radiation effects - which is apparently normal procedure in France, to ally fears - but this anomaly popped out of the data.

re: #94 SixDegrees

I'm pretty sure the rule in such cases is that the more local rule or ordinance takes precedence.

The rationale behind the restrictions is that the sight of your laundry flapping in the breeze offends your neighbors. So if all your neighbors are in the HOA, there's already been mutual agreement that it's OK.

Also, "nuisance" ordinances like this are almost never enforced unless the police receive an actual complaint. It's not like the police are going to waste their time patrolling for laundry violations.

But still, it ought to be up to the homeowner. I don't like the color of my neighbor's roof, but I'm pretty much stuck with it.

HOA covenants are not enforceable by police but, the HOA can get a judgment and lien against an owner. In an HOA neighborhood, all abide by the rules or they are not allowed to buy a house. You cannot paint your home whatever color you like--it must be withing a set range and you must submit paint chips to some committtee. Heck, you even have to plant a certain kind of grass, trees, bushes, et cet..

re: #79 SixDegrees

Briefly, they deal with the waste by concentrating it to a small fraction of it's original volume. It's more radioactive that way, but storage isn't nearly as much of a problem in terms of space, and the half-life is also shortened. I believe they also extract useful isotopes of other elements that are used elsewhere.

Anyway, if the French can do it, I have to imagine that we certainly can.

Isn't one of those elements weapons-grade plutonium?

re: #97 MandyManners

I could neer live where they have an HOA.

Rescue workers sorted through the wreckage of a high-speed Russian train to search for more victims Saturday while investigators considered whether the derailment that killed at least 26 people was caused by a bomb on the tracks.

The Nevsky Express, an upscale line popular with Russian business executives and government officials, was carrying hundreds of passengers from Moscow to the northern city of St. Petersburg when its last three carriages went off the rails Friday night.

Authorities said Saturday they have opened a terrorism criminal inquiry. Police and prosecutors swarmed over the disaster site and restricted access to what was reported to be a possible bomb crater.

SNIP

re: #100 MandyManners

Chechen rebels?

re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar

I could neer live where they have an HOA.

HOA's keep property values up but, it can be oppressive.

re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar

Chechen rebels?

Way north of Chechnya but, who knows? They're not 100 per cent sure of the cause yet.

Saudi Arabia says nine of its soldiers fighting Yemeni rebels on the border are missing and the kingdom's monarch is vowing to defend the country.

A defense ministry statement said the fate of the soldiers remains unknown. The statement was a reaction to reports that the soldiers were captured by Yemeni rebels.

SNIP

ALSO, got photos of my Saturday morning college-sanctioned do-gooding.

re: #98 laZardo

Isn't one of those elements weapons-grade plutonium?

Out of my depth, but it depends on the reactor type. Some designs produce only very small amounts of plutonium, making recovery unworkable.

That's one reason the US (in the case of North Korea) and Russia (in the case of Iran) have offered to build light-water reactors in those countries instead of allowing them to build their own heavy-water plants. The former makes plutonium recovery very difficult, even without the additional safeguard of recovery of spent fuel rods by another country.

An Israeli air strike wounded four Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip on Friday, Palestinian medical workers said, but Israel said one of them had been killed.

The Israeli military said the strike targeted militants in the Hamas-controlled territory who were about to fire rockets into southern Israel. It said a gunman from a pro-al Qaeda group was killed.

SNIP

re: #96 SixDegrees

Interestingly, the abstract states that the results pretty much eliminate the possibility that leukemia was caused by exposure to radiation, and offers a tantalizing hint that there may be an infective agent at work. The area was being monitored out of concerns over radiation effects - which is apparently normal procedure in France, to ally fears - but this anomaly popped out of the data.

We can hit this ball back and forth for weeks.

[Link: naturalscience.com...]

But living here as I do, I can affirm that all is not as well as Areva (they had to change their name from Cogema due to accumulated bad press) would like the world to think.

re: #106 SixDegrees

Well, that makes those countries' insistence more scary. Either way, and safety regulations and technologies be damned, nuclear power is still living in the shadow of Chernobyl.

re: #108 ryannon

We can hit this ball back and forth for weeks.

[Link: naturalscience.com...]

But living here as I do, I can affirm that all is not as well as Areva (they had to change their name from Cogema due to accumulated bad press) would like the world to think.

So they found radiation, but no connection to the leukemia which they lead the article with.

But let's assume there's an actual problem. It's solvable. The amount of radiation exposure released by coal-burning power plants is comparable to that released by nuclear plants during a TMI-style incident, and is spread over a wider area for a longer period of time. Covering vast swaths of desert with solar panels, or of prairie with windmills, is ecologically devastating, and the many of the materials used in each are highly toxic.

In short, nothing is without risk. The risk of disease, exposure and poor diet that occur when energy isn't available to cook and clean with far outweighs even the most extreme risks caused by radiation exposure, by several orders of magnitude. Waiting around for a risk-free solution is a death sentence.

And although death is the only risk-free state, it isn't acceptable to most.

re: #109 laZardo

Well, that makes those countries' insistence more scary. Either way, and safety regulations and technologies be damned, nuclear power is still living in the shadow of Chernobyl.

There's lots of gross overstatement regarding radiation out there that needs to be countered with fact. See my previous post; all forms of energy production are inherently harmful, and some - like coal burning - actually release more radiation than a nuclear plant would.

Nuclear plants have an excellent safety record in terms of accidents per hours of operation. And that's with aging plants that were designed several decades ago at the most recent. Engineering has come a long way since the last nuclear plants in this country were designed, and much has been learned about them in the interim, both here and in other countries, based on hands-on operation. It ought to be possible to design and build plants that are inherently safe to a much larger degree than in the past, although there is no way to reduce risk to zero.

re: #111 SixDegrees

I don't disagree with you that nuclear plants are a lot more developed and generally safer than decades before, mind. Still, it's not as if the abandoned city of Pripyat and the Zone of Alienation don't serve at least as psychological monuments.

Although I admit, I'm not sure how carbon incinerated in oxidation is supposed to be more radioactive than plutonium and uranium.

re: #112 laZardo

I don't disagree with you that nuclear plants are a lot more developed and generally safer than decades before, mind. Still, it's not as if the abandoned city of Pripyat and the Zone of Alienation don't serve at least as psychological monuments.

Although I admit, I'm not sure how carbon incinerated in oxidation is supposed to be more radioactive than plutonium and uranium.

It isn't the carbon; it's the radioactive impurities entrained with the coal that are released by burning that's the problem.

Totally agree that there are psychological issues at play that need to be addressed.

re: #110 SixDegrees

So they found radiation, but no connection to the leukemia which they lead the article with.

SNIP

"Subsequently, however, the Commission of Independent Research and Information on Radioactivity (CRIIRAD), a private agency, reported that, at low tide, tourists collecting seashells near a pipe carrying nuclear waste out to sea were exposed to 300 microsieverts per hour, which amounts in 4 hours to “more than the annual maximum dose.” In addition, CRIIRAD found abnormal concentrations of highly toxic iodine-129 in moss within a 7-km radius of the plant. Altogether, CRIIRAD claims, authorized outputs by the La Hague plant exceed the total discharge of all the world’s nuclear reactors combined."

"Bernard Koucher, France’s secretary of state for health, promised to set up a national cancer registry to determine whether people living near nuclear plants are prone to a higher incidence of the disease."

The French government (surprise!) never did the study. A private, non-partisan agency (the CRIIRAD) did however, and their results corroborated the UK report.

re: #112 laZardo

Is Ismael Mangudadatu a Muslim?

Watching "Beverly Hills Cop." Never realized how well written it is.

re: #114 ryannon

SNIP

"Subsequently, however, the Commission of Independent Research and Information on Radioactivity (CRIIRAD), a private agency, reported that, at low tide, tourists collecting seashells near a pipe carrying nuclear waste out to sea were exposed to 300 microsieverts per hour, which amounts in 4 hours to “more than the annual maximum dose.” In addition, CRIIRAD found abnormal concentrations of highly toxic iodine-129 in moss within a 7-km radius of the plant. Altogether, CRIIRAD claims, authorized outputs by the La Hague plant exceed the total discharge of all the world’s nuclear reactors combined."

"Bernard Koucher, France’s secretary of state for health, promised to set up a national cancer registry to determine whether people living near nuclear plants are prone to a higher incidence of the disease."

The French government (surprise!) never did the study. A private, non-partisan agency (the CRIIRAD) did however, and their results corroborated the UK report.

However, the first study you cited looked for precisely that - a connection between radiation exposure and leukemia - and found none. Instead, it turned up the interesting clue that leukemia has traits similar to an infectious agent.

And as already noted: even if true, so what? The only risk-free state is when you're dead. How do these risks compare to those of increased incidence of emphysema, pulmonary disease and radiation-induced illness among those living downwind from coal-fired power plants? Or to any of the numerous risks associated with any other form of energy production?

re: #114 ryannon

a pipe carrying nuclear waste out to sea

Teh sea kittehs glow in the dark?

re: #118 MandyManners

Teh sea kittehs glow in the dark?

In the gulf, if you splash around the water at night, the phosphorous lights up green.

re: #118 MandyManners

Teh sea kittehs glow in the dark?

Ah, it's a beautiful sight on moonless nights. Especially when back-lit by the pale-green glow of the local population that comes out to admire the spectacle...

re: #117 SixDegrees

However, the first study you cited looked for precisely that - a connection between radiation exposure and leukemia - and found none. Instead, it turned up the interesting clue that leukemia has traits similar to an infectious agent.

And as already noted: even if true, so what? The only risk-free state is when you're dead. How do these risks compare to those of increased incidence of emphysema, pulmonary disease and radiation-induced illness among those living downwind from coal-fired power plants? Or to any of the numerous risks associated with any other form of energy production?

Ok: the higher incidence of leukemia (not counting other cancers) is/was due to "population mixing." That was their hypothesis and their conclusion. End of story. Except for the population showing the spike in leukemia.

Like I said elsewhere, I sincerely hope you - and other advocates of a nuclear solution to power generation - are right.

Because if you're not, there will literally be hell to pay.

Pakistan's president has given up control of the nukes.

President Asif Ali Zardari gave up control of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal Saturday in a bid to fend off mounting pressures threatening to weaken his rule further and complicate the war on the Taliban.

Zardari took the decision as an amnesty protecting him and key aides from corruption cases expired and risked flinging the country, struggling to contain a Taliban insurgency in the northwest, into fresh political crisis.

The presidency announced that control of the National Command Authority, which analysts and lawyers confirmed was responsible for nuclear weapons, had shifted to Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani.

SNIP

Good Morning. The Lord of The Rings Symphony by Johan de Meij seems appropriate this morning. Better than the film score, IMO.

re: #122 MandyManners

Pakistan's president has given up control of the nukes.

President Asif Ali Zardari gave up control of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal Saturday in a bid to fend off mounting pressures threatening to weaken his rule further and complicate the war on the Taliban.

SNIP

On the whole, I'd feel safer if they handed it over to SpaceJesus.

re: #124 ryannon

On the whole, I'd feel safer if they handed it over to SpaceJesus.

Yea, 'til he starts hitting bourbon.
//

Morning folks, Hope everyone had a good holiday.

re: #121 ryannon

Ok: the higher incidence of leukemia (not counting other cancers) is/was due to "population mixing." That was their hypothesis and their conclusion. End of story. Except for the population showing the spike in leukemia.

Like I said elsewhere, I sincerely hope you - and other advocates of a nuclear solution to power generation - are right.

Because if you're not, there will literally be hell to pay.

No more hell than is paid now, as already noted, for the use of conventional sources of energy.

And I don't know what article you're reading - it certainly isn't the one you originally cited, which reaches no such conclusion.

re: #126 RogueOne

Morning folks, Hope everyone had a good holiday.

Mine ruled. Mom made sweet potatos with walnuts and apples. Yummy.

Enjoying my second cup of coffee. Hot and strong. Heater is on. Check. Slippers on. Check. Life is good.
Morning Lizards!

re: #129 Cathypop

Enjoying my second cup of coffee. Hot and strong. Heater is on. Check. Slippers on. Check. Life is good.
Morning Lizards!

Doors and windows open. 65 degrees.

re: #129 Cathypop

Enjoying my second cup of coffee. Hot and strong. Heater is on. Check. Slippers on. Check. Life is good.
Morning Lizards!

Good Morning Cathy...I'm working on my first cup of coffee...

re: #126 RogueOne

Morning folks, Hope everyone had a good holiday.

*burp*

re: #129 Cathypop

Enjoying my second cup of coffee. Hot and strong. Heater is on. Check. Slippers on. Check. Life is good.
Morning Lizards!

Just like I like my men.

re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar

Doors and windows open. 65 degrees.

*whackwhackwhackwhack*

re: #133 MandyManners

Just like I like my men.

YUP!

re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar

Doors and windows open. 65 degrees.

Should be able to turn the heater off and open up the house later today.

re: #123 bloodnok

After Gandalf, I watched the video for Gollum, and there are a lot of interesting artist's renditions of him. Thanks for linking.

re: #131 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Cathy...I'm working on my first cup of coffee...

Morning HH
How's the doggie cam working?

re: #138 Cathypop

Morning HH
How's the doggie cam working?

A complete failure..Winston hates wearing it and threw fits like a little child..
Even after I took it off he sat and pouted giving me the evil eye...

Nok- this is for you- "Dobby like us."

re: #139 HoosierHoops

A complete failure..Winston hates wearing it and threw fits like a little child..
Even after I took it off he sat and pouted giving me the evil eye...

Just be happy he didn't leave you a special present in your shoes.

re: #137 Sharmuta

Any further word on Stinky Bastard's respiratory problems?

Hoo...boy...this is getting juicy. Tiger Woods was was getting whupped by the wife when he bid a hasty retreat and smashed his car...that is if you believe TMZ and the Huffington Post...Woods

re: #143 Big Steve

TMZ is a pretty good source. They were the first to report on Michael Jackson, who is still dead,BTW.

Looks like Tiger got his putter bent.
Good Morning LGF.

re: #143 Big Steve

Hoo...boy...this is getting juicy. Tiger Woods was was getting whupped by the wife when he bid a hasty retreat and smashed his car...that is if you believe TMZ and the Huffington Post...Woods

I never chased after dickhead with his golf clubs but, I did break one into several pieces and scatter them around town.

re: #145 Spare O'Lake

Looks like Tiger got his putter bent.
Good Morning LGF.

Maybe they'll iron out their differences.

re: #143 Big Steve

Hoo...boy...this is getting juicy. Tiger Woods was was getting whupped by the wife when he bid a hasty retreat and smashed his car...that is if you believe TMZ and the Huffington Post...Woods

If true it would be ironic she took a golf club to him...

re: #145 Spare O'Lake

Looks like Tiger got his putter bent.
Good Morning LGF.

Actually sounds like he was getting his putter straightened...by another woman.

Is she the one with DV charges pending?

re: #147 MandyManners

Maybe they'll iron out their differences.

That's a fairway of looking at it.

re: #148 HoosierHoops

If true it would be ironic she took a golf club to him...

And swinged for the balls.

re: #142 MandyManners

Any further word on Stinky Bastard's respiratory problems?

The animal hospital told me it's a viral infection. He's eating well, and having normal BMs. It doesn't appear at this time that he has any other issues, so he should make a full recovery.

re: #150 MandyManners

Is she the one with DV charges pending?

She should be.

re: #149 Big Steve

Actually sounds like he was getting his putter straightened...by another woman.

I wonder if her name is Big Bertha.

re: #149 Big Steve

Actually sounds like he was getting his putter straightened...by another woman.

That would certainly drive a wedge between them.

re: #151 Bloodnok

That's a fairway of looking at it.

I'd be teed off if my spouse were sleeping around.

re: #156 Spare O'Lake

That would certainly drive a wedge between them.

Lets not be caddie here

re: #153 Sharmuta

The animal hospital told me it's a viral infection. He's eating well, and having normal BMs. It doesn't appear at this time that he has any other issues, so he should make a full recovery.

Yay!

re: #156 Spare O'Lake

That would certainly drive a wedge between them.

Could make things rough.

re: #154 Sharmuta

She should be.

Amen!

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar

Could make things rough.

Cheating could be a hazard.

Gives new meaning to golf swing.

re: #157 MandyManners

I'd be teed off if my spouse were sleeping around.

He would be out of bounds.

re: #161 MandyManners

Amen!

Let's see.. Tiger makes about 78 million/year.. I see a large transfer of wealth in his future

re: #162 MandyManners

Cheating could be a hazard.

Just a 1 stroke penalty.

re: #157 MandyManners

I'd be teed off if my spouse were sleeping around.

One stroke penalty indeed.

re: #143 Big Steve

Hoo...boy...this is getting juicy. Tiger Woods was was getting whupped by the wife when he bid a hasty retreat and smashed his car...that is if you believe TMZ and the Huffington Post...Woods

Last night when I read the story they said she had to bust out his rear windows to help get him out of the car and I thought that seemed odd. Didn't occur to me that she might have been trying to beat his brains out.

re: #165 HoosierHoops

Let's see.. Tiger makes about 78 million/year.. I see a large transfer of wealth in his future

Maybe he can use his mulligan. But I'm no lawyer.

Didn't I say yesterday he didn't seem the type, and that he was a Buddhist? And she was the one to attack him, and he tried to leave. He's a good guy- not perfect perhaps, but I didn't think he'd be hitting her. I hope his face is alright.

re: #165 HoosierHoops

Let's see.. Tiger makes about 78 million/year.. I see a large transfer of wealth in his future

Or he could go the Kobe route, a few million dollar diamond ring will buy a lot of forgiveness.

re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar

Maybe he can use his mulligan. But I'm no lawyer.

They have very little children- I hope they can work this out.

re: #168 RogueOne

Last night when I read the story they said she had to bust out his rear windows to help get him out of the car and I thought that seemed odd. Didn't occur to me that she might have been trying to beat his brains out.

I see a new Buick ad ...

re: #163 Sharmuta

Gives new meaning to golf swing SCHWING!!.

((can't remember the comic))

((old-timers disease,,, CRS ,,, Can't Remember Shit))

re: #174 sattv4u2

((can't remember the comic))

((old-timers disease,,, CRS ,,, Can't Remember Shit))

Dana Carvey. Wayne's World.

Later lizards. Chores are screaming at me and I don't feel like arguing with them

re: #172 Sharmuta

They have very little children- I hope they can work this out.

He may be sleeping on his yacht for a while

re: #164 Spare O'Lake

He would be out of bounds.

I'd cart his ass out of my life.

re: #178 MandyManners

I'd cart his ass out of my life.

As fast as Augusta wind.

re: #165 HoosierHoops

Let's see.. Tiger makes about 78 million/year.. I see a large transfer of wealth in his future

They've been married just five years.

re: #174 sattv4u2

re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar

The double standard here is that if a man had swung at his wife with a golf club he would be in jail...

re: #180 MandyManners

They've been married just five years.

If this story is true...
The most famous athlete in the world
Boatloads of money
Fame
Smoking hot wife
beautiful children

And he still cheats ...
The world is not enough for mankind

re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar

tanks

re: #180 MandyManners

I don't think the baby boy is even one year old yet. They might try to work things out, and I hope they do try for their kids' sake. If I had to guess, he'll do what he has to do to be with his kids. We'll see what happens.

re: #182 Big Steve

The double standard here is that if a man had swung at his wife with a golf club he would be in jail...

If in Florida, 24 hours in jail, automatic. Not sure where they live, though.

re: #183 HoosierHoops

If this story is true...
The most famous athlete in the world
Boatloads of money
Fame
Smoking hot wife
beautiful children

And he still cheats ...
The world is not enough for mankind

Goes to prove my belief that no matter how hot a woman is, there's someone out there who's tired of her crap. // ;)

re: #187 RogueOne

Goes to prove my belief that no matter how hot a woman is, there's someone out there who's tired of her crap. // ;)

Ya better duck!!

re: #182 Big Steve

The double standard here is that if a man had swung at his wife with a golf club he would be in jail...

The cops are investigating still.

I don't think people should break contracts but monogamy is way over-rated.

If it is all true then perhaps Tiger's wife wanted unrealistically for him to stop being the person he was such that he fell for her in all her lovely blondness.

He has a very obvious type and has since his days at Stanford. In his wife's case, however, not only did he not dump her for the next as per his usual pattern, he gave her two beautiful children and half his fortune if she leaves.

Again, I am not saying he should hurt her feelings on purpose but I really don't understand what the big deal is if he (or she) has something on the side.

Taking a club to the side of his head over it is damaging to the person (and the brand) that has her living the life she does.

re: #185 Sharmuta

I don't think the baby boy is even one year old yet. They might try to work things out, and I hope they do try for their kids' sake. If I had to guess, he'll do what he has to do to be with his kids. We'll see what happens.

If there's DV involved, she's going to jail if Florida's laws are similar to other states' laws. Nowadays, victims cannot decline to press charges.

re: #182 Big Steve

The double standard here is that if a man had swung at his wife with a golf club he would be in jail...

There are charges pending, but with a father in the hospital and a baby at home, Tiger and/or the police may have been unwilling to have Mrs. Tiger taken into custody. The victim has to press charges, and I doubt most men would send their wife to jail and take her away from their kids unless the situation were that bad.

re: #187 RogueOne

Goes to prove my belief that no matter how hot a woman is, there's someone out there who's tired of her crap. // ;)

Yeah but, keep your dick in your pants!

re: #190 tokyobk

I don't think people should break contracts but monogamy is way over-rated.

If it is all true then perhaps Tiger's wife wanted unrealistically for him to stop being the person he was such that he fell for her in all her lovely blondness.

He has a very obvious type and has since his days at Stanford. In his wife's case, however, not only did he not dump her for the next as per his usual pattern, he gave her two beautiful children and half his fortune if she leaves.

Again, I am not saying he should hurt her feelings on purpose but I really don't understand what the big deal is if he (or she) has something on the side.

Taking a club to the side of his head over it is damaging to the person (and the brand) that has her living the life she does.

BULLSHIT. JUST, BULLSHIT.

re: #183 HoosierHoops

If this story is true...
The most famous athlete in the world
Boatloads of money
Fame
Smoking hot wife
beautiful children

And he still cheats ...
The world is not enough for mankind

The greatest and wealthiest golfer in the world cannot control his putter...now that's ironic.

re: #192 Sharmuta

There are charges pending, but with a father in the hospital and a baby at home, Tiger and/or the police may have been unwilling to have Mrs. Tiger taken into custody. The victim has to press charges, and I doubt most men would send their wife to jail and take her away from their kids unless the situation were that bad.

He was only in the hospital an hour and then was back home.

re: #191 MandyManners

If there's DV involved, she's going to jail if Florida's laws are similar to other states' laws. Nowadays, victims cannot decline to press charges.

Here's some info on FL law

re: #190 tokyobk

I don't think people should break contracts but monogamy is way over-rated.

If it is all true then perhaps Tiger's wife wanted unrealistically for him to stop being the person he was such that he fell for her in all her lovely blondness.

He has a very obvious type and has since his days at Stanford. In his wife's case, however, not only did he not dump her for the next as per his usual pattern, he gave her two beautiful children and half his fortune if she leaves.

Again, I am not saying he should hurt her feelings on purpose but I really don't understand what the big deal is if he (or she) has something on the side.

Taking a club to the side of his head over it is damaging to the person (and the brand) that has her living the life she does.

What a bizarre post. So as long as the man is a breadwinner the wife should just shut up and let him do what he wants? She should keep quiet and feel lucky Tiger chose her, didn't leave her sooner and allowed her access to his millions? Bloodnok does not agree.

re: #190 tokyobk

I don't think people should break contracts but monogamy is way over-rated.

If it is all true then perhaps Tiger's wife wanted unrealistically for him to stop being the person he was such that he fell for her in all her lovely blondness.

He has a very obvious type and has since his days at Stanford.

Unrealistic to expect him to fulfill his vows? And you don't know shit about him at Stanford...He was a single college boy.. We all had fun in college...

re: #197 Sharmuta

Here's some info on FL law

the officers must follow Florida law regarding a "primary" aggressor and the "primary aggressor" is going to jail and will be held until First Appearance.

Hmmm... Sounds like she should be in jail.

re: #192 Sharmuta

There are charges pending, but with a father in the hospital and a baby at home, Tiger and/or the police may have been unwilling to have Mrs. Tiger taken into custody. The victim has to press charges, and I doubt most men would send their wife to jail and take her away from their kids unless the situation were that bad.

Not true, at least around here. In DV cases, charges are automatically filed, no matter what anyone involved has to say, and the matter goes to trial, period.

re: #201 SixDegrees

Not true, at least around here. In DV cases, charges are automatically filed, no matter what anyone involved has to say, and the matter goes to trial, period.

That's only for the little people...
/

Does anyone remember the golfer who beat the hell out of his wife about 15 years ago? He was a big, burly blond man. I think he lived in Castle Rock, CO.

re: #199 HoosierHoops

I don't think people should break contracts but monogamy is way over-rated.

If tiger did promise to be loyal he is wrong to have broken that vow. I think the vow itself is unrealistic and overrated.

re: #203 MandyManners

Does anyone remember the golfer who beat the hell out of his wife about 15 years ago? He was a big, burly blond man. I think he lived in Castle Rock, CO.

John Daley? The only one I can think of.

re: #198 Bloodnok

In some senses, yes. If a man is providing a great life for his family and has a girlfriend on the side, I personally don't think that is as big a deal as people make it out to be as long as he does not bring home babies or diseases or embarrass her publicly.

According to the Associated Press, Windermere Police Chief Daniel Saylor said Woods' wife, Elin Nordegren, told officers that she used a golf club to smash out the back window and helped the golfer out of the car. Nordegren also told officers she was in the house when she heard the accident and went outside.

Saylor also told the Associated Press that Woods had cuts on his lips and blood in his mouth and that officers found Woods laying in the street with his wife hovering over him..

Two troopers tried to talk to Woods late Friday, but his wife said he was sleeping and they agreed to come back on Saturday, said FHP spokeswoman Kim Montes.

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

re: #204 tokyobk

If tiger did promise to be loyal he is wrong to have broken that vow. I think the vow itself is unrealistic and overrated.

I think he said..I do
Why is faithful and loyal over rated? Are you a guy?

re: #201 SixDegrees

Not true, at least around here. In DV cases, charges are automatically filed, no matter what anyone involved has to say, and the matter goes to trial, period.

If they told the cops she freaked and thought she had to break the windows to help him get out and that he sustained the scratches in the accident then there isn't a whole lot the cops can do is there? TMZ is making it sound like there story is based on statements tiger had with someone other than the cops.

re: #208 HoosierHoops

I think he said..I do
Why is faithful and loyal over rated? Are you a guy?

Faithfulness and honesty are eternal values, imo. Monogamy is overrated. I am a guy but not a hypocrite (I hope). I fee the same applies to women.

re: #206 tokyobk

In some senses, yes. If a man is providing a great life for his family and has a girlfriend on the side, I personally don't think that is as big a deal as people make it out to be as long as he does not bring home babies or diseases or embarrass her publicly.

Dang...would you please convince Mrs Big Steve of that!

re: #205 Cannadian Club Akbar

John Daley? The only one I can think of.

Yeah, that's the one. Take out the "e" though.

re: #211 Big Steve

Dang...would you please convince Mrs Big Steve of that!

But wait, I believe the same for women and men alike, gander and goose!

Good morning, Lizards

For my part, I'm hoping the Woods family can explain away everything to the media's satisfaction. Even if the truth is stretched somewhat.
I believe Tiger no matter what. If he says he was headed to the back-nine because he dropped his wedding ring, I'll buy it. We need our hero's. I think he's genuine.
Just sayin'

re: #212 MandyManners

Yeah, that's the one. Take out the "e" though.

He was, might still be, a big time drinker. IIRC, he would drink on the course at events.

re: #190 tokyobk

Someone (ummm, that would be YOU) overdose on Tryptophan?

New snow on the San Gabriel Mountains of California. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.

Nature Break.

Good morning, enjoy your turkey sandwiches today, & be sure not to eat all you want.

/ (a lot)

re: #202 HoosierHoops

That's only for the little people...
/

ftfy

re: #210 tokyobk

Faithfulness and honesty are eternal values, imo. Monogamy is overrated. I am a guy but not a hypocrite (I hope). I fee the same applies to women.

You sleep aroung behind your wifes back?
Do you mind if she does behind yours also?

re: #217 Ojoe

New snow on the San Gabriel Mountains of California. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.

Nature Break.

Good morning, enjoy your turkey sandwiches today, & be sure not to eat all you want.

/ (a lot)

Dang that Ojoe! Always making the Hoopster Homesick for California..
Good morning!

re: #217 Ojoe

New snow on the San Gabriel Mountains of California. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.

Nature Break.

Good morning, enjoy your turkey sandwiches today, & be sure not to eat all you want.

/ (a lot)

Bread on plate. Stuffing on top. Turkey on top of that. Taters on top of that. Gravy. Enjoy!!!

re: #209 RogueOne

If they told the cops she freaked and thought she had to break the windows to help him get out and that he sustained the scratches in the accident then there isn't a whole lot the cops can do is there? TMZ is making it sound like there story is based on statements tiger had with someone other than the cops.

I don't know what the circumstances are in the Woods case - there have been at least a half-dozen conflicting accounts within the last few hours, and I don't believe any of them at the moment. I'm just sayin' - if it's DV, in many jurisdictions charges are mandatory.

However, given that Tiger is now at home, I assume this isn't a DV case. In places where charges are mandatory, incarceration is normally also mandatory until arraignment, at least, and no-contact orders are also strictly enforced.

Although I understand the reasoning behind such laws, they are currently broadly overreaching, and probably have the opposite of their intended effect in many cases, due to fear of overly aggressive prosecution.

re: #220 HoosierHoops

It is a fine place, California, in many ways & in nature for sure.

re: #214 Semper Fi

He's always struck me as a good guy. There's just something about him that radiates it. Like Payton Manning. It's also against Buddhism to lie, so I think any truth stretching will be minimal. I know he also likes his privacy, and I'll respect that, and wait for him to make a statement.

re: #210 tokyobk

Faithfulness and honesty are eternal values, imo. Monogamy is overrated. I am a guy but not a hypocrite (I hope). I fee the same applies to women.

I don't know what vows they took at the wedding but I'll assume he took a vow of monogamy. He broke that vow and his spouse has every right to be pissed but I'm going to have to toss in with tokybk on this one. I don't believe that monogamy is man's natural state. When LVQ gets here I'll ask him to explain the science behind it.

Tiger will be heckled by fans regardless of the outcome. Add beer and double that.

re: #224 Sharmuta

He's always struck me as a good guy. There's just something about him that radiates it. Like Payton Manning. It's also against Buddhism to lie, so I think any truth stretching will be minimal. I know he also likes his privacy, and I'll respect that, and wait for him to make a statement.

I like Tiger..But he has a bad temper on the course..
/Maybe not as bad as mine..I use up all the good 4 letter words on the 1st hole...I have to be creative after that..*wink*

re: #225 RogueOne

I don't know what vows they took at the wedding but I'll assume he took a vow of monogamy. He broke that vow and his spouse has every right to be pissed but I'm going to have to toss in with tokybk on this one. I don't believe that monogamy is man's natural state. When LVQ gets here I'll ask him to explain the science behind it.

As in human nature or the nature of men?

re: #223 Ojoe

It is a fine place, California, in many ways & in nature for sure.

Ever make it up to Napa Valley?

re: #204 tokyobk

No, the vow is important and keeps many things together, not just the couple who mutually make it to each other.

I won't even qualify this with an "IMHO".

re: #224 Sharmuta

He's always struck me as a good guy. There's just something about him that radiates it. Like Payton Manning. It's also against Buddhism to lie, so I think any truth stretching will be minimal. I know he also likes his privacy, and I'll respect that, and wait for him to make a statement.

A close acquaintance who has a position with one of the major PGA tournaments claims that Tiger is a class A primadona to deal with. Most other golfers on the tour dislike him however no one, repeat, no one will say that out loud because they love the money he brings to all of professional golf, money of which they all get to share.

re: #228 MandyManners

Nooo, women have the same genetic inclinations as men. I should probably qualify that with the acknowledgement that men are born pigs.

re: #225 RogueOne

I don't know what vows they took at the wedding but I'll assume he took a vow of monogamy. He broke that vow and his spouse has every right to be pissed but I'm going to have to toss in with tokybk on this one. I don't believe that monogamy is man's natural state. When LVQ gets here I'll ask him to explain the science behind it.

Walking around clothed also isn't "mans natural state".

re: #229 HoosierHoops

Oh yeah, I live east of there, on the coast. One of my kids went to school in Napa for a while. Great place.

re: #233 sattv4u2

Walking around clothed also isn't "mans natural state".

Remind me not to invite you to a BBQ.
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re: #233 sattv4u2

Walking around clothed also isn't "mans natural state".

C'mon. You know that's not true unless that was sarcasm and I didn't catch it quick enough.

re: #224 Sharmuta

He's always struck me as a good guy. There's just something about him that radiates it. Like Payton Manning. It's also against Buddhism to lie, so I think any truth stretching will be minimal. I know he also likes his privacy, and I'll respect that, and wait for him to make a statement.

Thank you Sharmuta, you expressed my feelings on the matter so well.

re: #232 RogueOne

Pigs, or bears.

Grunt.

BBL

re: #235 Cannadian Club Akbar

Remind me not to invite you to a BBQ.
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I've evolved !

re: #233 sattv4u2

Walking around clothed also isn't "mans natural state".

That's what I keep telling the police, but do they listen???

re: #234 Ojoe

Oh yeah, I live east of there, on the coast. One of my kids went to school in Napa for a while. Great place.

Awesome! I grew up outside of Yountville...
It is home in my heart..Always will be

re: #236 RogueOne

C'mon. You know that's not true unless that was sarcasm and I didn't catch it quick enough.

You "agreed" with Tokybk. Was that also "sarcasm"?

re: #232 RogueOne

Nooo, women have the same genetic inclinations as men. I should probably qualify that with the acknowledgement that men are born pigs.

Believe me women are just as linked to our cave man past as men. Even today women love those alpha males and in our society alpha males have either money or power or both. After all if Bill Clinton had been just another schlub working in a cubicle do you think 19 year old interns would be showing him their underwear the first time they met?

Someone (ummm, that would be YOU) overdose on Tryptophan?

haha, yeah had the Quorn fake Turkey which (was not nasty) so probably no.

I actually believe the monogamy is not realistic or as much of a moral test as others though I realize that is an unpopular point of view.

re: #236 RogueOne

C'mon. You know that's not true unless that was sarcasm and I didn't catch it quick enough.

And no,, mine was NOT sarcasm. Did you enter this world fully clothed?

re: #232 RogueOne

Nooo, women have the same genetic inclinations as men. I should probably qualify that with the acknowledgement that men are born pigs.

I wouldn't say that.

re: #225 RogueOne

I don't know what vows they took at the wedding but I'll assume he took a vow of monogamy. He broke that vow and his spouse has every right to be pissed but I'm going to have to toss in with tokybk on this one. I don't believe that monogamy is man's natural state. When LVQ gets here I'll ask him to explain the science behind it.

I don't give a shit. Another celebrity couple got troubles, and the public are going to follow the stink like flies? It doesn't deserve 2 seconds of consideration. Why does anyone give a poop. Does most of the world live viscerally through the ills of others? What a waste fo time, emotion and energy.

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I hope everyone had a great T-day and managed to take advantage of some of the good sales yesterday (if you braved the malls, that is).

I'm not quite sure what to make of the Tiger Woods story just yet, but there isn't any excuse for cheating, let alone a possible assault.

Much more important is the news out of NY and NJ of dire budget issues, and that much of this news was all too apparent before the election, but the politicians held off dealing with 'em until after the election. They put their reelection efforts ahead of fiscal responsibility.

And then, there's the terror attack in Russia, which has killed 39+.

The latest in ODS...

Erick Erickson and all the other high-minded political thinkers over there are up in arms because...wait for it...

Obama and the NFL are starting a campaign to fight childhood obesity.

[Link: www.redstate.com...]

re: #246 MandyManners

I wouldn't say that.

Oink.
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re: #227 HoosierHoops

I like Tiger..But he has a bad temper on the course..

Yes, thats also been my observation of late. His displays of temper seem to be on the rise.

re: #244 tokyobk

haha, yeah had the Quorn fake Turkey which (was not nasty) so probably no.

I actually believe the monogamy is not realistic or as much of a moral test as others though I realize that is an unpopular point of view.

And the answers to my 219 are ,,,???

re: #248 lawhawk

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I'm not quite sure what to make of the Tiger Woods story just yet, but there isn't any excuse for cheating, let alone a possible assault.
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Why do we make ANYTHING of it?