Now and then it occurs to one to reflect upon what slender threads of accident depend the most important circumstances of his life; to look back and shudder, realizing how close to the edge of nothingness his being has come.
— Upton Sinclair
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Digital Display Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:54:43pm |
Watching the Bad news Bears..It reminds me when Phillips Middle school in Napa Needed a baseball Coach and rounded me up..(There was a girl involved) They just didn't have anybody..
We lost our first 4 games....Before becoming a pretty tough team.. I'll never forget..A rookie coach and a kid takes off and gets caught stealing 2nd.
*Why did you Steal?*
*You told me to!*
*What the hell are you talking about punk?*
*You touched your hat!*
*I touched my hat?*
*You touched your hat...*
*Are you that stupid?* * I touched my hat?*
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:55:02pm |
Upton Sinclair was an interesting character. The story of how Teddy Roosevelt turned his book The Jungle from a work abnout how the working class was forced to exist to a tract on the safety of the nation's food supply is a the tale of triumph of political footwork.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:00:27pm |
And in Haiti, the weirdness develops.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:05:11pm |
re: #1 HoosierHoops
One of the kid actors in that movie played Rorschach in Watchmen.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:21:35pm |
Just learned that Israel (and U.S.) basher Howard Zinn is deceased as of very recently. I was reading about the death of one of my favorite authors, JD Salinger, and discovered that both men died on January 27th this year.
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austin_blue Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:36:09pm |
Wow. That thread downstairs has turned into an absolute flame war.
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AK-47% Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:36:26pm |
re: #3 SanFranciscoZionist
And in Haiti, the weirdness develops.
"We are operating in the name of the Lord, therefore we are above and exempt from the law." This is just an example of the Bush Doctine applied on a smaller scale.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:43:40pm |
re: #6 austin_blue
Wow. That thread downstairs has turned into an absolute flame war.
The flames have mostly subsided now.
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Olsonist Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:48:37pm |
Howard Zinn. I'm not sure how you can be a good American and not bash America. Abraham Lincoln must not have been a good American. Howard Zinn cared enough to make this a better place.
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austin_blue Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:49:54pm |
re: #8 Dark_Falcon
The flames have mostly subsided now.
Maybe. It's just a tad disturbing that the discourse went from discussion like "I disagree" to "Go @*^$ yourself!!" for a thousand posts. Complete lack of respect on both sides. Not good.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:51:32pm |
re: #4 Mad Al-Jaffee
One of the kid actors in that movie played Rorschach in Watchmen.
He was the best performance in that movie! As a raging fanboy of the comic, he captured Rorschach PERFECTLY.
/YOU'RE IN HERE WITH ME
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austin_blue Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:52:25pm |
re: #11 Bagua
Bashing America is the new patriotism?
Self-criticism has always been integral to the Constitution, hence the right to address the government for grievances. That's not bashing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:52:40pm |
re: #6 austin_blue
Wow. That thread downstairs has turned into an absolute flame war.
My computer is trying to save me by freezing up every time I try to get back into it.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:52:54pm |
re: #11 Bagua
Bashing America is the new patriotism?
Not in my eyes. Howard Zinn was an pinko asshole who loathed his own country. I don't take pleasure in his death, but I'm not going to miss him.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:53:10pm |
re: #11 Bagua
Bashing America is the new patriotism?
Patriotism is looking at your country with an unjaundiced eye, acknowledging both the good and the bad, and advocating and working towards making the country better.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:53:31pm |
re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist
My computer is trying to save me by freezing up every time I try to get back into it.
Vista?
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Olsonist Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:53:51pm |
re: #11 Bagua
Bashing America is the new patriotism?
Actually it's the real patriotism. Contrast with Pollyannaism.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:54:57pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
Not in my eyes. Howard Zinn was an pinko asshole who loathed his own country. I don't take pleasure in his death, but I'm not going to miss him.
Zinn's stance on war is one thing, but I have a hard time imagining how any sane person can disagree with his stance on civil rights.
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Silvergirl Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:54:59pm |
re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist
My computer is trying to save me by freezing up every time I try to get back into it.
Trust your machine.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:55:34pm |
re: #19 Olsonist
Actually it's the real patriotism. Contrast with Pollyannaism.
Not Pollyannaism. Jingoism. Weepy jingoism.
That said, I shouldn't defend Zinn, I've never read any of his stuff.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:55:40pm |
re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist
IE.
Oh my stars. Get Firefox! Or Opera!
(though I have to use IE on my Tablet PC because it's old and Firefox is too resourcehungry)
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:56:15pm |
re: #17 WindUpBird
Patriotism is looking at your country with an unjaundiced eye, acknowledging both the good and the bad, and advocating and working towards making the country better.
Agreed, but Howard Zinn did not do that. He dislike America as it is constructed and wanted to push it far to the left. That does not qualify as love of country in my eyes.
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austin_blue Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:56:19pm |
re: #24 WindUpBird
Oh my stars. Get Firefox! Or Opera!
(though I have to use IE on my Tablet PC because it's old and Firefox is too resourcehungry)
Or Safari, if your box will support it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:56:26pm |
re: #24 WindUpBird
Oh my stars. Get Firefox! Or Opera!
(though I have to use IE on my Tablet PC because it's old and Firefox is too resourcehungry)
I have had bad luck with Firefox.
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Olsonist Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:57:18pm |
re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist
I've read what you've written and it seems that you have an opposable thumb. So pray tell, why are you using IE? Firefox, Chrome, what's not to like?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:57:56pm |
re: #25 Dark_Falcon
Agreed, but Howard Zinn did not do that. He dislike America as it is constructed and wanted to push it far to the left. That does not qualify as love of country in my eyes.
I dislike America as it is constructed and want to push it to the left. :)
I disagree with the way Senate is set up, for example. I don't believe Wyoming should have more representative government per capit than California or Washington.
America as it is constructed was one thing, and each amendment added to the US constitution has changed "how America is constructed."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:59:21pm |
re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist
I have had bad luck with Firefox.
My problems with IE are that when it crashes on my machine under Xp, it tends to bring down Explorer with it (as in, the desktop itself) Firefox has its bugs and qirks, but it's more secure and tends to only crash itself without drowning Windows along with it.
Opera might be for you, though, Opera is a very small-footprint browser that's pretty solid.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:59:58pm |
re: #21 WindUpBird
Zinn's stance on war is one thing, but I have a hard time imagining how any sane person can disagree with his stance on civil rights.
I didn't, but even so most historians don't have a quarrel with him there. Rather, his favoring of government over private initiative, and his intense dislike of capitalism cause me to label him as a "parlor pink" (to use my father's preferred label). I'm not as familiar with his war views and they might prompt me to move him into the "full-on Red" category.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:00:57am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:02:49am |
re: #29 WindUpBird
I dislike America as it is constructed and want to push it to the left. :)
I disagree with the way Senate is set up, for example. I don't believe Wyoming should have more representative government per capit than California or Washington.
America as it is constructed was one thing, and each amendment added to the US constitution has changed "how America is constructed."
I do like how the Senate is constructed. It's deliberately set-up as a anti-majoritarian Chamber. Such things are needed in a nation as large and diverse as ours. Places like Norway and Portugal may not need such a thing, but America does.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:02:57am |
re: #32 Dark_Falcon
I didn't, but even so most historians don't have a quarrel with him there. Rather, his favoring of government over private initiative, and his intense dislike of capitalism cause me to label him as a "parlor pink" (to use my father's preferred label). I'm not as familiar with his war views and they might prompt me to move him into the "full-on Red" category.
I'm not saying I agree with everything he said, just saying he doesn't loathe his own country because he disagrees with things that it does. I get tired of hearing that because I oppose nation-building and very aggressive foreign policy that I hate America. My standards for someone who "hates America" are quite high.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:03:02am |
re: #28 Olsonist
I've read what you've written and it seems that you have an opposable thumb. So pray tell, why are you using IE? Firefox, Chrome, what's not to like?
It's what came loaded onto the laptop.
And as I said, Firefox and I don't get along.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:04:05am |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
I do like how the Senate is constructed. It's deliberately set-up as a anti-majoritarian Chamber. Such things are needed in a nation as large and diverse as ours. Places like Norway and Portugal may not need such a thing, but America does.
I don't believe America does at all. I also believe that Senate is far more broken than it used to be. I consider Senate to be the most major broken institution in America.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:05:29am |
Getting my weird art on! BB in a little while perhaps with FOOTAGE OF WINDUPBIRD LIVE OH NOOO
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:07:15am |
re: #19 Olsonist
Actually it's the real patriotism. Contrast with Pollyannaism.
I guess it depends on your definition of "bashing", constructive criticism is different from unfair attacks, which I would associate with the word 'bashing.'
Anyone who unfairly attacks their own country is not patriotic.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:07:55am |
re: #40 WindUpBird
I really liked your painting "The Guitarist" by the way. My favourite piece of yours so far.
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:08:18am |
re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist
Try Chrome. It is very very fast, especially coming from IE.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:11:08am |
re: #42 Bagua
I really liked your painting "The Guitarist" by the way. My favourite piece of yours so far.
Oh thank you. ^_^ it's 100% Photoshop, no actual dead trees or linseed-suspended pigments were involved. I'll try and throw some more stuff on the Photobucket in a little while, I have thousands of images, I'll be digging through them for the stuff that I think holds up to show here. That one was intended as an illustration portfolio piece.
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:12:02am |
re: #41 Bagua
... Anyone who unfairly attacks their own country is not patriotic.
And anyone who stands aside as America does the wrong thing, that isn't patriotic either. Howard Zinn certainly didn't stand aside.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:12:20am |
re: #43 Olsonist
Try Chrome. It is very very fast, especially coming from IE.
I had better luck with Opera than Chrome on my old Pentium M M200 Portege. Thought I do like Chrome!
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:13:12am |
re: #45 Olsonist
And anyone who stands aside as America does the wrong thing, that isn't patriotic either. Howard Zinn certainly didn't stand aside.
I don't know anything about him BTW, just wondering about the bashing as patriotism idea.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:13:38am |
Also, freaking Rogue Dead Guy Ale. I can't seen to quit you. Fuel for the weird in Oregon since lord knows when.
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:14:16am |
re: #38 WindUpBird
The Senate was modeled after the Roman Senate giving a veto power (negative control) to an aristocratic minority.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:15:38am |
re: #50 Olsonist
The Senate was modeled after the Roman Senate giving a veto power (negative control) to an aristocratic minority.
And I tend to think that a good thing. It keeps the elite from being run over by the masses.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:16:23am |
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:16:30am |
re: #47 Bagua
It's the central idea behind the bulk of the First Amendment.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:18:14am |
re: #50 Olsonist
The Senate was modeled after the Roman Senate giving a veto power (negative control) to an aristocratic minority.
yesh! As my partner, who's a total Roman/Pelopponnesian War history dork is fond of reminding me.
he's also fond of reminding me that he believes we're following Rome's path, believing that eventually America will have a defacto emperor. perhaps not in our lifetime. I don't know that I agree with him, but he makes a hell of a case for it.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:19:33am |
re: #53 Olsonist
It's the central idea behind the bulk of the First Amendment.
Not really. The First Amendment protects bashers because not protecting them would give those in power a weapon they would eventually turn on all dissent. Protecting Howard Zinn's work is needed to protect the works of non-asshole historians like Victor Davis Hanson as well.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:20:16am |
re: #49 Bagua
Amazing.
Whoops, my post got cut off.
My copy of Photoshop I use for art is a very old one, PS 5.5., which is like 9 years old, and will run well on computers that are often given away as useless here in Portland. Digital art doesn't have to have an expensive setup!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:20:45am |
re: #55 Dark_Falcon
Not really. The First Amendment protects bashers because not protecting them would give those in power a weapon they would eventually turn on all dissent. Protecting Howard Zinn's work is needed to protect the works of non-asshole historians like Victor Davis Hanson as well.
And that dear man who wrote "God's Battalions".
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:21:00am |
re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist
And that dear man who wrote "God's Battalions".
This is me on Opera, BTW.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:22:05am |
re: #53 Olsonist
It's the central idea behind the bulk of the First Amendment.
Oh agreed, free speech and all. But if it is bashing meaning trashing, then it is not patriotism in my book. But if it is constructive criticism, then it is. In the case of Zinn, I have no knowledge, I'd have to go look him up.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:23:07am |
re: #55 Dark_Falcon
Not really. The First Amendment protects bashers because not protecting them would give those in power a weapon they would eventually turn on all dissent. Protecting Howard Zinn's work is needed to protect the works of non-asshole historians like Victor Davis Hanson as well.
If my partner were here, he'd be spitting. he has very low opinions of Hanson when it comes to pelopponnesian War history. He far FAR prefer's Kagan's work.
Unfortuantely, I don't know shit about Spartans or Athenias, so i can't really argue the virtues. And he hangs out on Board Game Geek. :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:23:16am |
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:24:05am |
re: #56 WindUpBird
Interesting. I have all the latest versions of everything so I need a quad core with 8 gig. Meanwhile, I couldn't draw a smiley face that looked passable. It seems magical to me that you can create that picture with the same program.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:24:58am |
re: #59 Bagua
Oh agreed, free speech and all. But if it is bashing meaning trashing, then it is not patriotism in my book. But if it is constructive criticism, then it is. In the case of Zinn, I have no knowledge, I'd have to go look him up.
Well, there's constructive criticism and then there's just politics. ;-)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:26:24am |
re: #61 WindUpBird
How do you like it? :D
Silky but evil. It allowed me to check out the bottom of the flamethread.
Man, we have a lot of pent-up anger, don't we? I told someone to fuck off. I don't do that a whole lot.
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:28:25am |
re: #54 WindUpBird
Well, we're definitely following Rome's path such as it was. Rome didn't really have a plan. Until Augustus I don't think Rome ever saw itself as an empire.
But looking at the Peloponnesian War, I think Iraq was our Sicilian expedition. And its interesting that Kagan, the PNAC signatory, wrote the standard text on the war (or rather commentary on Thucydides). I liked this critique of Kagan.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:28:27am |
re: #60 WindUpBird
If my partner were here, he'd be spitting. he has very low opinions of Hanson when it comes to pelopponnesian War history. He far FAR prefer's Kagan's work.
Unfortuantely, I don't know shit about Spartans or Athenias, so i can't really argue the virtues. And he hangs out on Board Game Geek. :D
I actually own both of their books myself. Kagan is a good bit better for a full understanding of the war. Hanson is good for providing flavor and his pictures of the battles are far more vivid. Both men have their uses and reading both books gives a full picture of the war.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:28:29am |
re: #62 Bagua
Interesting. I have all the latest versions of everything so I need a quad core with 8 gig. Meanwhile, I couldn't draw a smiley face that looked passable. It seems magical to me that you can create that picture with the same program.
Sadly, there is no such thing as a quad-core 12" Tablet PC that will run on a battery for 4 hours :D Art is art, if you have anything that can make a mark, you can make art with it. Friends and I used to haunt all night diners and try and paint with the coffee they'd serve us. it was hard, but doable.
Photoshop, even an old version, is stunningly powerful and versatile. Even my creaky old M200 can still handle dozens of layers in Photoshop, all with different blend modes.
At home, I have a dual core gaming laptop, but it's fussy, drains te battery in 40 minutes, and makes a terrible portable art machine. So I mostly just play games on it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:29:31am |
re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist
Silky but evil. It allowed me to check out the bottom of the flamethread.
Man, we have a lot of pent-up anger, don't we? I told someone to fuck off. I don't do that a whole lot.
I saw that flamethread! I was surprised, you're like unflappable, you're so mellow and reasoned. For you to get that pissed off, you must have had a good reason.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:29:59am |
re: #69 WindUpBird
I saw that flamethread! I was surprised, you're like unflappable, you're so mellow and reasoned. For you to get that pissed off, you must have had a good reason.
Pent-up frustration.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:30:28am |
re: #67 Dark_Falcon
I actually own both of their books myself. Kagan is a good bit better for a full understanding of the war. Hanson is good for providing flavor and his pictures of the battles are far more vivid. Both men have their uses and reading both books gives a full picture of the war.
Look up Tobias Strobe on Board Game Geek. He'll happily have a discussion with you on Spartans, Athenians, and related goodness. 8-)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:30:44am |
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:30:52am |
re: #60 WindUpBird
If my partner were here, he'd be spitting. he has very low opinions of Hanson when it comes to pelopponnesian War history. He far FAR prefer's Kagan's work.
Unfortuantely, I don't know shit about Spartans or Athenias, so i can't really argue the virtues. And he hangs out on Board Game Geek. :D
For what it's worth I share your partner's opinion.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:31:09am |
re: #66 Olsonist
Well, we're definitely following Rome's path such as it was. Rome didn't really have a plan. Until Augustus I don't think Rome ever saw itself as an empire.
But looking at the Peloponnesian War, I think Iraq was our Sicilian expedition. And its interesting that Kagan, the PNAC signatory, wrote the standard text on the war (or rather commentary on Thucydides). I liked this critique of Kagan.
The analogy does not work at all. Our forces have hammered Al Qaeda in Iraq and we are leaving the country in the hands of a friendly government that has a good chance to sustain itself. If Athens had done that well in Sicily, Sparta would never have dared to resume hostilities.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:31:51am |
re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist
Pent-up frustration.
I know, sorry about my 'what happened to the real SFZ' pun. Just such a shock to hear you snap at anyone you're always so civil and nice.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:31:54am |
re: #69 WindUpBird
I saw that flamethread! I was surprised, you're like unflappable, you're so mellow and reasoned. For you to get that pissed off, you must have had a good reason.
If SFZ is reduced to telling someone to fuck off, you know things have gotten bad. Definitely not normal style.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:32:14am |
re: #73 iceweasel
For what it's worth I share your partner's opinion.
I defer to him when it comes to history.
He defers to me when it comes to art, and whether a Porsche 911 Turbo can blow away a Mitsubishi Evo 9 at a stoplight. :D
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:35:19am |
re: #55 Dark_Falcon
I've never been impressed with VDH. I read Who Killed Homer? and I wondered if he'd actually been to a classics lecture at a major school. I took the lower division of Classics at Cal and it was just brutally hard. Anthony Bulloch's reading of the Odyssey was brilliant and Trevor Murphy was simply tough.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:38:12am |
re: #75 Bagua
I know, sorry about my 'what happened to the real SFZ' pun. Just such a shock to hear you snap at anyone you're always so civil and nice.
Thanks. Several buttons got pushed simultaneously. I try to keep an even keel, but I do not like being condescended to.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:38:57am |
On the stalker blog possum is now calling the flamewar "Little Green Footballs version of the 'Reichstag Fire". After reading that Godwin's Law FAIL, the only question I have is:
"Do iceweasels eat oppossums?" >:D
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:39:28am |
re: #68 WindUpBird
I do a lot of statistical analysis and multitasking on my rig, so I get bogged down right quick without my quad-core, and even that chokes if its not the 64 bit OS with some of the big number crunching.
Right now I have Firefox open with a couple dozen tabs, Paint, Publisher, and Outlook and it just purrs like a kitten.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:40:45am |
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
On the stalker blog possum is now calling the flamewar "Little Green Footballs version of the 'Reichstag Fire". After reading that Godwin's Law FAIL, the only question I have is:
"Do iceweasels eat oppossums?" >:D
Reichstag Fire? I don't get the analogy.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:43:21am |
re: #81 Bagua
I do a lot of statistical analysis and multitasking on my rig, so I get bogged down right quick without my quad-core, and even that chokes if its not the 64 bit OS with some of the big number crunching.
Right now I have Firefox open with a couple dozen tabs, Paint, Publisher, and Outlook and it just purrs like a kitten.
There's this indie game called Dwarf Fortress which will make use of all of your cores, and then some...it simulates so much stuff, and is so shockingly, obsessively complex that it can bring the most wicked machine to its knees if you decide to start up a large enough game.
I'm on my gaming rig now, which can take everything I hurl at it, it runs Left4Dead on high detail, it's quite nice despite the taint of Windows Vista. On the tablet PC, it runs my art apps, but woe be to me if I decide to have LGF open as I work. It does not like long threads! I sorta have to pick either the blog or working.
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:43:41am |
re: #74 Dark_Falcon
The analogy does not work at all. Our forces have hammered Al Qaeda in Iraq and we are leaving the country in the hands of a friendly government that has a good chance to sustain itself. If Athens had done that well in Sicily, Sparta would never have dared to resume hostilities.
The Sicilian Expedition was supposed to be an easy win. Iraq was supposed to be an easy win ("I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators.")
They Athenians doubled down with a surge in Sicily. We doubled down with a surge in Iraq.
The Athenians lost in Sicily. We'll never win in Iraq since it's an occupation and we'll eventually leave.
The Athenians thought they'd make money on Sicily (which they badly needed to fight Sparta). We thought the Iraqi oil fields would at least pay for it and instead we've been bleeding money for 8 years. (Note, GHWBush did much better with coalition building.)
That's a parallel.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:43:51am |
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
On the stalker blog possum is now calling the flamewar "Little Green Footballs version of the 'Reichstag Fire". After reading that Godwin's Law FAIL, the only question I have is:
"Do iceweasels eat oppossums?" >:D
Whatever. They had some really nice things to say about me the other day, I hear. Rape and sexual mutilation were involved.
Psychopaths, one and all.
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Gus Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:43:52am |
Another great movie at Hulu.
Ball of Fire - 1941
Synop from IMDB:
Sexy, wisecracking nightclub singer Sugarpuss O'Shea is a hot tomato who needs to be kept on ice: mobster boyfriend Joe Lilac is suspected of murder and Sugarpuss' testimony could put him away. Naive Professor Bertram Potts meets Miss O'Shea while researching an article on slang and in true romantic comedy fashion the two worlds collide. When Miss O'Shea hides out with Potts and his fellow professors, everyone learns something new: the professors how to cha-cha and Potts the meaning of "yum-yum"!
Gary Cooper
Barbara Stanwyck
Dana Andrews
Henry Travers (Clarence Odbody in It's a Wonderful Life)
I think I fell in love with Barbara Stanwyck.
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:44:49am |
re: #74 Dark_Falcon
If you like Kagan, his Greek Civ lectures are available at Open Yale.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:46:53am |
re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist
Reichstag Fire? I don't get the analogy.
I think the stalker is saying that Charles will use that thread as an excuse to ban all remaining conservatives from LGF. This theory is based on deranged view of Charles that is universal over there. To translate Possum's from stalker to sane yields the following statement:
"I hate you, Daddy! Ow, my butt! It hurts!"
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:47:11am |
re: #86 Gus 802
Another great movie at Hulu.
Ball of Fire - 1941
Synop from IMDB:
Gary Cooper
Barbara Stanwyck
Dana Andrews
Henry Travers (Clarence Odbody in It's a Wonderful Life)I think I fell in love with Barbara Stanwyck.
oooh! Double Indemnity if you like her!!
(although the book is better)
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:47:29am |
re: #83 WindUpBird
That's another thing I'm helpless at, gaming. I got a copy of Vegas2 with a video card I bought, and I can't make it up the stairs without getting shot. I never see it coming.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:48:04am |
re: #88 Dark_Falcon
I think the stalker is saying that Charles will use that thread as an excuse to ban all remaining conservatives from LGF. This theory is based on deranged view of Charles that is universal over there. To translate Possum's from stalker to sane yields the following statement:
"I hate you, Daddy! Ow, my butt! It hurts!"
Good grief.
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Gus Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:50:53am |
re: #89 iceweasel
oooh! Double Indemnity if you like her!!
(although the book is better)
Might have seen that ages ago but I look forward to another viewing.
Billy Wilder was the director for Double Indemnity. He was also one of the writers for the movie I just mentioned, Ball of Fire.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:51:18am |
re: #84 Olsonist
The Sicilian Expedition was supposed to be an easy win. Iraq was supposed to be an easy win ("I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators.")
They Athenians doubled down with a surge in Sicily. We doubled down with a surge in Iraq.
The Athenians lost in Sicily. We'll never win in Iraq since it's an occupation and we'll eventually leave.
The Athenians thought they'd make money on Sicily (which they badly needed to fight Sparta). We thought the Iraqi oil fields would at least pay for it and instead we've been bleeding money for 8 years. (Note, GHWBush did much better with coalition building.)
That's a parallel.
The first two cannot be contested. As to the last two:
If we leave behind a non-tyrannical government that holds itself together and resists Radical Islam, then we can leave and we still win.
If we end up achieve the objective stated above, the money spent (though probably not the lives) will have been worth it. To hand Al Qaeda that sort of defeat is worth quite a lot of cash.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:54:48am |
re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist
Good grief.
Good grief is right, they are still at it on that thread with yet another opponent.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:57:03am |
re: #94 Bagua
Good grief is right, they are still at it on that thread with yet another opponent.
Who is 'they'?
I believe SFZ was talking about the stalker blog. Who are you talking about?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:57:49am |
re: #94 Bagua
Good grief is right, they are still at it on that thread with yet another opponent.
She was actually referring to the crazed words of the stalker, I think. I was having some fun by mocking someone we all think is an ass to try to relax after the barnburner.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:58:48am |
re: #92 Gus 802
Might have seen that ages ago but I look forward to another viewing.
Billy Wilder was the director for Double Indemnity. He was also one of the writers for the movie I just mentioned, Ball of Fire.
I love Billy Wilder. He wrote Sunset Boulevard and the Apartment, didn't he? The Lost Weekend, too? Lots of great stuff seems to have him involved.
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Olsonist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:00:04am |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
If we leave behind a non-tyrannical government that holds itself together and resists Radical Islam, then we can leave and we still win.
Ain't gonna happen. (1) Sharia is already the law of the land. (2) Women are as bad off as in Saudi Arabia (and not nearly as well of as in Iran). (3) raq is made up of Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites. They like us slightly more than they hate each other.
Any pro-American regime won't last a wink. We installed a pro American regime in Iran in the 50s but we didn't run the country through a civil war to do it.
If we end up achieve the objective stated above, the money spent (though probably not the lives) will have been worth it. To hand Al Qaeda that sort of defeat is worth quite a lot of cash.
A trillion and we still have AQ? It was a mistake going into Iraq in the first place since AQ wasn't even there. Getting back to Sicily, Athens shouldn't have gone either. It was a distracting sideshow.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:00:19am |
re: #44 WindUpBird
Oh thank you. ^_^ it's 100% Photoshop, no actual dead trees or linseed-suspended pigments were involved. I'll try and throw some more stuff on the Photobucket in a little while, I have thousands of images, I'll be digging through them for the stuff that I think holds up to show here. That one was intended as an illustration portfolio piece.
Nice. I prefer 'Painter' myself for that kind of work (version 7 for me - they fucked it up a bit on later versions, IMO).
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Gus Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:00:19am |
re: #97 iceweasel
I love Billy Wilder. He wrote Sunset Boulevard and the Apartment, didn't he? The Lost Weekend, too? Lots of great stuff seems to have him involved.
Checked on The Apartment. He was the director. Saw that one not to long ago. Excellent movie with Jack Lemon and Shirley McClain.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:04:23am |
re: #100 Gus 802
Checked on The Apartment. He was the director. Saw that one not to long ago. Excellent movie with Jack Lemon and Shirley McClain.
I've been favouriting your old movie recs. :) I'm woefully ignorant about old movies. Hoping Jimmah and I can hole up for a day soon when we're together and do a little 40's movie marathon.
Highly recommend James M Cain (the author of Double Indemnity) myself-- if you like noir fiction, he's still the master, IMO. Postman Always Rings Twice, Mildred Pierce, Double Indemnity. Great movies but the books are just standout.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:04:36am |
Both sites need to stop looking at each other. Problem solved.
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Gus Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:05:09am |
re: #97 iceweasel
I love Billy Wilder. He wrote Sunset Boulevard and the Apartment, didn't he? The Lost Weekend, too? Lots of great stuff seems to have him involved.
Wow, look at these photos.
James Stewart with Maurice Chevalier and Director Billy Wilder, c. 1957
Ciro's Nightclub, 1956 Billy Wilder, Mel Ferrer, Audrey Hepburn, Maurice Chivalier, James Stewart
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:05:26am |
re: #98 Olsonist
I don't agree, but I'll need to pick this up at a later time. I'm simply worn out and its after 3amwhere I am. I have to work tomorrow, and so I need to get to bed now.
Goodnight, all.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:06:34am |
re: #85 iceweasel
Whatever. They had some really nice things to say about me the other day, I hear. Rape and sexual mutilation were involved.
Psychopaths, one and all.
And that includes the saintly, floating GOTC, who is perfectly happy to be immersed in that filth. Why is it that piety and evil so often go hand in hand? Because piety is one of the favourite tools of sick, manipulative bastards, that's why. Duh.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:07:24am |
re: #95 iceweasel
Who is 'they'?
I believe SFZ was talking about the stalker blog. Who are you talking about?
I'm talking about the flame-out thread, I don't visit the stalker blog.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:08:34am |
re: #102 TheMatrix31
Both sites need to stop looking at each other. Problem solved.
I don't think anyone looks over there that much these days - there's nothing to see but repeats of the same old garbage.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:08:45am |
re: #105 Jimmah
And that includes the saintly, floating GOTC, who is perfectly happy to be immersed in that filth. Why is it that piety and evil so often go hand in hand? Because piety is one of the favourite tools of sick, manipulative bastards, that's why. Duh.
It's more than a little incongruous that prayer lists appear there interspersed with talk of murder, sexual violence, various homophobic rants, genocidal ranting, threats.
Cognitive dissonance doesn't even begin to describe the saintly floaters over there.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:09:54am |
re: #106 Bagua
I'm talking about the flame-out thread, I don't visit the stalker blog.
I see. So you were changing the subject back to the flameout thread.
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Gus Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:12:38am |
re: #101 iceweasel
I've been favouriting your old movie recs. :) I'm woefully ignorant about old movies. Hoping Jimmah and I can hole up for a day soon when we're together and do a little 40's movie marathon.
Highly recommend James M Cain (the author of Double Indemnity) myself-- if you like noir fiction, he's still the master, IMO. Postman Always Rings Twice, Mildred Pierce, Double Indemnity. Great movies but the books are just standout.
Lots of great ones from the late 30s as well. I've been seeking them out on Hulu. Those eras were very productive in cinema. The primary appeal being the romanticism, the writing, the acting, the directing. There were so many different characters in the movies. It's almost like literature.
You might want to add Lloyd's Of London to the list. 1936 and a very young Tyrone Power and George Sanders. You can almost get lost in it.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:12:47am |
re: #106 Bagua
I'm talking about the flame-out thread, I don't visit the stalker blog.
Don't mention the war, Bagua. Unless you want to re-ignite those flames.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:14:41am |
re: #110 Gus 802
Night of the Hunter - great, odd old film. Directed by Charles Laughton IIRC?
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sergeant major Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:15:51am |
Anyone heard what this administration is doing about the "US" citizens that are being held in IRAN? They've only been there 6 months.....an counting.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:19:12am |
re: #110 Gus 802
Lots of great ones from the late 30s as well. I've been seeking them out on Hulu. Those eras were very productive in cinema. The primary appeal being the romanticism, the writing, the acting, the directing. There were so many different characters in the movies. It's almost like literature.
You might want to add Lloyd's Of London to the list. 1936 and a very young Tyrone Power and George Sanders. You can almost get lost in it.
Done! Added!
The dialogue was just so much better then. It almost hurts to watch a movie from that era.
Totally random subject change here, almost, but I was reading this article in GQ about Scott Roeder. The author did a lot of interviews with him and others.
The article annoyed me in various ways, but I learned some things I didn't know-- specifically that Roeder was an adherent of various conspiracy theories, like flouride in the water being a commie plot, various anti-gubbmint crap.
One thing I hadn't known about Tiller was that he couldn't get anyone to insure his clinic-- except Lloyds of London.
/chain of association completed.
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Gus Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:19:47am |
re: #112 Jimmah
Night of the Hunter - great, odd old film. Directed by Charles Laughton IIRC?
Yes. Have to put that on the list.
Clip:
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:20:45am |
re: #112 Jimmah
Night of the Hunter - great, odd old film. Directed by Charles Laughton IIRC?
I didn't know you liked that! It's one of my favourites. :-)
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Gus Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:25:05am |
re: #114 iceweasel
Done! Added!
The dialogue was just so much better then. It almost hurts to watch a movie from that era.Totally random subject change here, almost, but I was reading this article in GQ about Scott Roeder. The author did a lot of interviews with him and others.
The article annoyed me in various ways, but I learned some things I didn't know-- specifically that Roeder was an adherent of various conspiracy theories, like flouride in the water being a commie plot, various anti-gubbmint crap.One thing I hadn't known about Tiller was that he couldn't get anyone to insure his clinic-- except Lloyds of London.
/chain of association completed.
Interesting because that's part of the plot at some point in the movie. Of course given that that was what put in Lloyd's of London on the map: that they will insure anything "even a dancers legs."
The movie is mostly fictional but it does delves into some non-fiction. For instance that Lloyd's began in his coffee shop with syndicates and such. Mostly deals with the love affair, shipping, the English-French-Spain wars and Horatio Nelson the childhood friend of the protagonist, "Jonathan Blake" played by Tyrone Power.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:26:18am |
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Aye Pod Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:27:59am |
re: #116 iceweasel
I didn't know you liked that! It's one of my favourites. :-)
We have the same taste in movies too. We could, you know, date and stuff ;-)
Here's another of my favourites: Ace in The Hole
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:31:36am |
re: #119 Jimmah
We have the same taste in movies too. We could, you know, date and stuff ;-)
OK, but I warn you, I'll expect you to put out. Just sayin'.
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Gus Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:32:05am |
Buffalo Gals
As I was walking down the street
Down the street, down the street,
A pretty gal I chance to meet
Under the silvery moon.Buffalo gals, won't you come out tonight?
Come out tonight, Come out tonight?
Buffalo gals, won't you come out tonight,
And dance by the light of the moon.I asked her if she'd stop and talk,
Stop and talk, Stop and talk,
Her feet covered up the whole sidewalk,
She was fair to view.Buffalo gals, won't you come out tonight?
Come out tonight, Come out tonight?
Buffalo gals, won't you come out tonight,
And dance by the light of the moon.I asked her if she'd be my wife,
Be my wife, be my wife
Then I'd be happy all my life,
If she'd marry me.Buffalo gals, won't you come out tonight?
Come out tonight, Come out tonight?
Buffalo gals, won't you come out tonight,
And dance by the light of the moon.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:32:11am |
Oh, hey, the opossum character thanked DF for 'giving me a history lesson'.
It was nice of him, but I'm still at a loss as to how a bunch of people yelling at each other about global warming equates to the Reichstag Fire. If the possum could explain in greater detail...?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:33:21am |
Pity about the avatar/name. I love possums, normally. Weird little guys.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:37:19am |
re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist
Pity about the avatar/name. I love possums, normally. Weird little guys.
I love them too. Natures own punk rockers :
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Gus Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:38:28am |
re: #125 Jimmah
I love them too. Natures own punk rockers :
[Link: babyanimalz.com...]
Funny, I was just thinking about how possums are like modern primitives.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:40:32am |
re: #118 Bagua
I'll mention what I like Jimmah, just like you.
I've written to Charles about this.
The climate, as it were, around here when certain posters are present reminds me all to much of the time I spent at one of CNN's forums some time ago - a bunch of juveniles dogpiling on each other, trying to outdo each other with insults and devoid of any content whatsoever. It's repellent, and apparently I'm not the only one who feels that way.
If this blog is going to turn into yet another Internet cesspool where members spend all their time trumping each other's nastiness, it's going to cease being worthwhile. It's not like there's a shortage of hatred or vitriol on the Web.
I doubt that will happen, given Charles' past efforts at moderation. At the moment, however, it's an appallingly unpleasant atmosphere.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:43:36am |
re: #127 SixDegrees
I've written to Charles about this.
The climate, as it were, around here when certain posters are present reminds me all to much of the time I spent at one of CNN's forums some time ago - a bunch of juveniles dogpiling on each other, trying to outdo each other with insults and devoid of any content whatsoever. It's repellent, and apparently I'm not the only one who feels that way.
If this blog is going to turn into yet another Internet cesspool where members spend all their time trumping each other's nastiness, it's going to cease being worthwhile. It's not like there's a shortage of hatred or vitriol on the Web.
I doubt that will happen, given Charles' past efforts at moderation. At the moment, however, it's an appallingly unpleasant atmosphere.
Yes, it certainly is. Not helped by certain people who spread lies and rumours about others.
I'm quite certain CJ will continue, as ever, to do an excellent job at keeping the shit under control.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:45:46am |
re: #127 SixDegrees
Agree strongly. I don't understand why it is tolerated. The occasional FU I can understand, we all get angry, but this repetitive hostility and name calling is simply absurd, as are the attacks and trolling through dead threads to find comments to twist for a new attack.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:46:23am |
re: #127 SixDegrees
I've written to Charles about this.
The climate, as it were, around here when certain posters are present reminds me all to much of the time I spent at one of CNN's forums some time ago - a bunch of juveniles dogpiling on each other, trying to outdo each other with insults and devoid of any content whatsoever. It's repellent, and apparently I'm not the only one who feels that way.
If this blog is going to turn into yet another Internet cesspool where members spend all their time trumping each other's nastiness, it's going to cease being worthwhile. It's not like there's a shortage of hatred or vitriol on the Web.
I doubt that will happen, given Charles' past efforts at moderation. At the moment, however, it's an appallingly unpleasant atmosphere.
Yet look who is intent on breaking the peace we have at last managed to get back to by draqging it all up on to a new thread?
You are perfectly transparent mate. Ignoring all further attempts to re-ignite the flames.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:47:51am |
re: #129 Bagua
Agree strongly. I don't understand why it is tolerated. The occasional FU I can understand, we all get angry, but this repetitive hostility and name calling is simply absurd, as are the attacks and trolling through dead threads to find comments to twist for a new attack.
Just in case you happen to be referring to what I just linked there, I'll note that no 'twisting' was necessary, and I fail to understand why you are so very opposed to talking about people who aren't here-- but not, apparently, when it's six degrees doing it about me and Jimmah.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:48:31am |
LOL, I just noticed Ludwig logged onto this thread just to down-ding me for saying I don't visit the stalker blog.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:48:43am |
re: #130 Jimmah
Yet look who is intent on breaking the peace we have at last managed to get back to by draqging it all up on to a new thread?
You are perfectly transparent mate. Ignoring all further attempts to re-ignite the flames.
Why, would it be the same person who was spreading lies and trying to stir shit up yesterday?
Why yes, yes it would.
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Gus Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:49:28am |
re: #127 SixDegrees
I've written to Charles about this.
The climate, as it were, around here when certain posters are present reminds me all to much of the time I spent at one of CNN's forums some time ago - a bunch of juveniles dogpiling on each other, trying to outdo each other with insults and devoid of any content whatsoever. It's repellent, and apparently I'm not the only one who feels that way.
If this blog is going to turn into yet another Internet cesspool where members spend all their time trumping each other's nastiness, it's going to cease being worthwhile. It's not like there's a shortage of hatred or vitriol on the Web.
I doubt that will happen, given Charles' past efforts at moderation. At the moment, however, it's an appallingly unpleasant atmosphere.
I'll say. Some guy called another member a Kapo this afternoon. I forgot who that was but that was uncalled for.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:50:09am |
re: #131 iceweasel
Just in case you happen to be referring to what I just linked there, I'll note that no 'twisting' was necessary, and I fail to understand why you are so very opposed to talking about people who aren't here-- but not, apparently, when it's six degrees doing it about me and Jimmah.
Well yes Iceweasel, that was a perfect example of what I was referring to, though I meant some-one else.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:51:40am |
re: #129 Bagua
Agree strongly. I don't understand why it is tolerated. The occasional FU I can understand, we all get angry, but this repetitive hostility and name calling is simply absurd, as are the attacks and trolling through dead threads to find comments to twist for a new attack.
Some of it is deliberate, an attempt to provoke other posters into over the top behavior. As is all trolling, I suppose.
Like you say, I expect a smattering of that sort of thing; it's just the nature of the medium. But when it drags on hour after hour after hour, and is deliberately instigated, when it completely dominates and eclipses any hope of discussion, it's beyond tiresome.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:51:59am |
re: #135 Bagua
Well yes Iceweasel, that was a perfect example of what I was referring to, though I meant some-one else.
I did say 'just in case', because, well, I meant 'just in case'.
In any case, thank you for the clarification.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:53:39am |
re: #134 Gus 802
I'll say. Some guy called another member a Kapo this afternoon. I forgot who that was but that was uncalled for.
Ugh.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:54:03am |
re: #134 Gus 802
I'll say. Some guy called another member a Kapo this afternoon. I forgot who that was but that was uncalled for.
Nice of you to stir it up Gus. Ludwig called me scum, and worse. He displayed hatred and demonisation of his fellow even accusing me of antiSemitism from some words that were twisted from a thread in which I was protesting against antiSemitism. That is exactly Kapo behaviour, they were the ones who demonised their fellow Jews.
That was one comment, which was fair, but I even appologised for it. By way of contrast Ludwig called me human scum and filth several dozen times, yet you have not issue with that?
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:55:13am |
re: #136 SixDegrees
Some of it is deliberate, an attempt to provoke other posters into over the top behavior.
Does posting lies and random shit about people who aren't present count as 'provoking'?
Or is it only 'provoking' when people you liked got banned for abusive shit?
Or is it only 'provocation' when someone calls out instances of that behaviour?
I sense a desire to blame the victim here: if people act in an over the top fashion, they have no one to blame but themselves.
As ever, I'm fully confident that CJ knows the deal and will continue to maintain order, as he has always done.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:58:03am |
re: #139 Bagua
Nice of you to stir it up Gus. Ludwig called me scum, and worse. He displayed hatred and demonisation of his fellow even accusing me of antiSemitism from some words that were twisted from a thread in which I was protesting against antiSemitism. That is exactly Kapo behaviour, they were the ones who demonised their fellow Jews.
That was one comment, which was fair, but I even appologised for it. By way of contrast Ludwig called me human scum and filth several dozen times, yet you have not issue with that?
I've had words with Ludwig in the past. I don't think there's any doubt in his mind how I feel about him. But I don't see any point in repeating myself, either; he already knows, and now I largely ignore him unless he says something reasonable and interesting. My advice? just walk away from him, rather than allowing him to escalate things further. The majority of his postings of late simply don't require or deserve a response.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:58:03am |
re: #139 Bagua
Nice of you to stir it up Gus. blah blah blah
See how this works, Gus? Suddenly you are the one who is stirring shit up. Not Bagua or Six Degrees who merely dragged it into this thread to renew the bitching.
Truly, this is the last gasp of methane from the dead cow of wingnut butthurt we thought we'd left downstairs.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:00:29am |
If you come on a thread calling a fellow Jew "human scum and filth", and make dishonest attacks accusing him falsely of antiSemitism, you are behaving towards your own people just as the Kapos did when they policed the ghettos displaying hatred for their fellow Jews.
The analogy is fair and accurate. And far milder than what Ludwig threw about all night. Also, I did not call him that, I asked him to act like a mench, not a Kapo.
At any rate, I still retracted my statement and appologised, despite ongoing vile insults from Ludwig.
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Gus Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:01:06am |
re: #142 Jimmah
See how this works, Gus? Suddenly you are the one who is stirring shit up. Not Bagua or Six Degrees who merely dragged it into this thread to renew the bitching.
Truly, this is the last gasp of methane from the dead cow of wingnut butthurt we thought we'd left downstairs.
Odd how it works. I didn't even mention any names. It was something that could have been passed yet some feel compelled to drag themselves back into it. I knew who I was talking about when I said it.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:01:48am |
re: #142 Jimmah
See how this works, Gus? Suddenly you are the one who is stirring shit up. Not Bagua or Six Degrees who merely dragged it into this thread to renew the bitching.
Truly, this is the last gasp of methane from the dead cow of wingnut butthurt we thought we'd left downstairs.
Don't pretend Jimmah, you were instigating all night and nothing else, you are still displaying Meanbat Butthurt.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:04:10am |
re: #144 Gus 802
Odd how it works. I didn't even mention any names. It was something that could have been passed yet some feel compelled to drag themselves back into it. I knew who I was talking about when I said it.
How clever of you Gus, I suppose you could have been talking about just anybody eh?
Just silly to drag these things up again just to cause trouble. Comments quoted out of context are an attack tactic.
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Stonemason Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:05:14am |
Used to be...well, it would be fruit-cup time, the dead thread would come alive, and we would discuss the news from the other side of the world where people were already done thier day.
Wow, times sure change.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:05:27am |
re: #143 Bagua
If you come on a thread calling a fellow Jew "human scum and filth", and make dishonest attacks accusing him falsely of antiSemitism, you are behaving towards your own people just as the Kapos did when they policed the ghettos displaying hatred for their fellow Jews.
The analogy is fair and accurate. And far milder than what Ludwig threw about all night. Also, I did not call him that, I asked him to act like a mench, not a Kapo.
At any rate, I still retracted my statement and appologised, despite ongoing vile insults from Ludwig.
Whatever. The point is, this is the sort of thing Ludwig does these days; he often starts there, whereas in the past he at least attempted to hijack a thread by changing the topic, and then starting a brawl. I believe he's trying to instigate such a response, and it thrills him when he succeeds.
I see all the direct, personal insults he was flinging around downstairs. They don't deserve a response, or even an acknowledgment. I wouldn't even be giving the matter this much attention except for illustrative purposes.
Short version: he's baiting you. Don't take the bait.
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Stonemason Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:06:09am |
their...sheesh, there has been a spell check feature for more years than I have been posting.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:06:31am |
Good grief, here we go with the Meanbat™ down-dings, silly behaviour.
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Gus Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:06:40am |
re: #147 Bagua
How clever of you Gus, I suppose you could have been talking about just anybody eh?
Just silly to drag these things up again just to cause trouble. Comments quoted out of context are an attack tactic.
I only said it because you're trying to paint yourself as being innocent. You were plainly goading LVQ as he was you. You were all goading each other.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:07:40am |
re: #148 Stonemason
Used to be...well, it would be fruit-cup time, the dead thread would come alive, and we would discuss the news from the other side of the world where people were already done thier day.
Wow, times sure change.
I agree - let's do that instead, before I leave for work.
What the fuck were these people trying to do, bussing 33 kids across the border from Haiti into the DR? Trying to get them shelter? Please.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:08:11am |
re: #142 Jimmah
Truly, this is the last gasp of methane from the dead cow of wingnut butthurt we thought we'd left downstairs.
Oh, it's well known how this works.
Talking shit about people who aren't here, spreading and perpetuating lies about them? That's great!
Calling out those people? Provocation!
People losing their rag and getting banned for abusive behaviour and more? That's also okay-- they were provoked.
Stirring up shit and instigating crap regarding newer posters or 'liberal' posters? That's great!
Calling it out? Provocation.
Bullying people? No problem!
Pointing out that someone is doing it? Provocation.
Etc.
Greater Wingnuttia aka Oceania: where doublethink and doublespeak are the way of life. The real bullies are the ones who object to being bullied, the real provocateurs are those who rebut lies spread about them, etc.
Basically there's a whole lot of angry butthurt fuckers who demand that liberals eat a gigantic heaping plate full of shit every day, and then revile you for not smiling and saying thank you.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:08:29am |
re: #149 SixDegrees
I agree. And you will see that I did not return his vile insults, I just asked him to behave and pointed out his hostile behaviour.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:10:45am |
re: #145 Bagua
Don't pretend Jimmah, you were instigating all night and nothing else, you are still displaying Meanbat Butthurt.
Pretend what? It couldn't be more obvious what you are trying to do here - recreate what happened in the previous thread right here on this one. You brought it up into this thread did you not? You've already repeated your revolting slur against Ludwig, and again tried to justify it. Disgusting, and tiresome. Continue on your own - I'm out. And so is ice.
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Stonemason Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:10:55am |
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:11:31am |
Or, there's always the new book about John Edwards. And apparently there's a sex tape somewhere.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:12:49am |
re: #157 Stonemason
I love Alf! I can't wait for American distribution!
I guess I should lock my cats up, though.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:12:58am |
re: #156 Jimmah
Me? Lol, Jimmah you are a hoot. You do nothing but stir up hostility and pile on when there is trouble. Piss off.
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Stonemason Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:13:59am |
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:14:58am |
re: #161 Stonemason
that tape scares me.
On Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me! last week, the host was remarking over the Brown daughter's embarrassment at having their dad solicit dates for them during his victory speech. One of them got over a thousand emails asking for dates through her FaceBook page.
But 200 of them were from John Edwards.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:17:10am |
Too funny, I scroll up and see a dozen down dings from our resident dingbat team. Do they log on solely to attack people and stir up anger?
Troublemakers, pure and simple, either they start the fire or they fan the flames.
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Stonemason Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:17:15am |
re: #165 SixDegrees
Now that's funny. Leno had a great time with the tape too.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:18:31am |
re: #166 Bagua
Nah, I'm the only one who gets on to downding! AND YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE!
//
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:21:06am |
re: #168 TheMatrix31
Nah, I'm the only one who gets on to downding! AND YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE!
//
Yes, I see how they treat you. Constant insults, twisting your nic, on and on relentlessly. Yet they have the gall to criticise you for down-dinging?
Silly and hypocritical.
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Stonemason Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:28:42am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:29:02am |
re: #152 Gus 802
I only said it because you're trying to paint yourself as being innocent. You were plainly goading LVQ as he was you. You were all goading each other.
And that's the secret behind these stupid blow-ups--everyone wants to paint themselves as pure innocents in these things, goaded by the provacateurs from the other side. It's absolute BS.
Two threads, hysterical screaming for over 1000 posts in each, and over what, exactly? And saying that it was Ludwig's sole fault doesn't fly. Everyone shows up for these with their switchblades out, ready to rumble.
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Stonemason Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:31:39am |
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freetoken Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:32:05am |
re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist
Everyone shows up for these with their switchblades out, ready to rumble.
It takes 2 to tango... or more, in the case of cluster-tango...
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:33:55am |
re: #177 freetoken
It takes 2 to tango... or more, in the case of cluster-tango...
Better believe it. No poster can take over a thread like that and steer it screaming over the cliff without support and assistance from his antagonists. Think about how fast we shut down a troll around here.
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freetoken Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:34:45am |
re: #174 Stonemason
I'm afraid that we've not been as sensitive to the Japanese political situation as we should have been the past decade or so. Each incident of an American soldier/sailor involved in a case of rape/hit-and-run/robbery etc. brought out stronger and stronger statements. I used to link to some of them here... but to little interest.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:34:47am |
re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist
It could also be that some people are just sick and freakin' tired of other people's shit.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:35:24am |
So, I braised a pork shoulder last night, with a recipe I made up on the fly, and it came out excellent. Loads of leftovers, too. At $1.29 a pound, the cost per plate is pennies.
Here it is, for those interested:
Preheat oven to 315.
Get yourself a pork shoulder, around 7 to 8 pounds, bone in. Tie it, or have the butcher tie it, to make a nice compact bundle. Put a couple tablespoons of oil in a Dutch oven over medium high heat, and brown the shoulder all over, maybe 4 to five minutes per side, but get it nice and brown everywhere.
Mix about 3 cups of apple juice with 1/2 tsp. cinnamon, 1/2 tsp. allspice, 1/2 tsp. ground ginger, and 1/4 tsp. ground cayenne. Don't go crazy with the spices; you're going to reduce this later, which will intensify the flavor.
Cut up a couple of apples - a Golden Delicious and a Granny Smith work well - into roughly 1-inch chunks.
Chop up a half-cup of onion, and a quarter cup each of celery and peeled carrot. When the meat is done browning, drain off excess fat and toss the vegetables in there, stirring once in a while, until the onions start to turn golden - 5 to 10 minutes.
Examine the crud on the bottom of the pan. If there are black, burned bits, try to get rid of them, but if you were careful during browning this shouldn't be a problem. Deglaze the pan with a half-cup or so of white wine (Chardonnay in this case) and reduce until it is almost gone, scraping up all the cruft as you go. Pour about a half-inch of the cider mixture into the pan.
Put the shoulder back in there. Add the apple chunks. Pour in just enough of the cider mixture to come a third to halfway up the shoulder - no more. Keep the remainder for later.
Bring the cider to a low boil, cover the pan tightly, and stick it in the oven. Check after 20 minutes; it should just barely be simmering. Adjust the heat 10 degrees either way if needed. After two hours, flip the shoulder over, put the cover back on, and let 'er go for another two hours. If necessary, bring the liquid back up to the 1/3 to 1/2 level; you probably won't need to, as the apples release a lot of juice as they cook.
Remove the shoulder and cover with tinfoil; it'll stay hot for a long time, so don't worry about it. Strain the liquid to remove all the solids, pour it back in the pan and put it on the stovetop. Add the remaining cider mix. Bring to a boil, and reduce it a lot - you want it starting to thicken, after boiling it down to maybe a third or a quarter of the volume you started with. After reducing, add salt and pepper to taste.
Slice pork, or just pull it apart. Spoon sauce over. Lapse into porky coma.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:35:30am |
re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist
It may not be solely Ludwig's fault, but it is certainly suspicious that he was on one end of about 10 different conflicts simultaneously. The alternative is to just let him rant and insult without challenge I suppose, let the bully take over the yard.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:36:22am |
re: #180 TheMatrix31
It could also be that some people are just sick and freakin' tired of other people's shit.
I'm not seeing that any faction or group around here has a monopoly on shit.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:37:06am |
re: #181 SixDegrees
Darn you SixDegrees, I was just forgetting how hungry I was, now I'll have to hit the fast-food on the way home.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:37:35am |
re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist
Until a few people started being real prominent posters, shit like this hardly EVER happened.
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Stonemason Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:38:14am |
re: #179 freetoken
I have read about that, I do know that there are issues. It just scares me that things are falling apart everywhere. My grandkids are in trouble.
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srb1976 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:39:07am |
re: #181 SixDegrees
Sounds lovely.....pork and apples is usually a good idea anyway = )
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:39:53am |
re: #182 Bagua
It may not be solely Ludwig's fault, but it is certainly suspicious that he was on one end of about 10 different conflicts simultaneously. The alternative is to just let him rant and insult without challenge I suppose, let the bully take over the yard.
No, I don't think it's 'suspicious'. I think everyone involved in those conflicts knew exactly how he would react to stimuli, and played their parts the way they always do, every single time.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:40:06am |
re: #181 SixDegrees
Not sure about the apples, but that sounds pretty damn good dude.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:40:38am |
re: #179 freetoken
I'm afraid that we've not been as sensitive to the Japanese political situation as we should have been the past decade or so. Each incident of an American soldier/sailor involved in a case of rape/hit-and-run/robbery etc. brought out stronger and stronger statements. I used to link to some of them here... but to little interest.
It is an interesting dilemma. Do the Japanese really want to take over their own defence?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:41:15am |
re: #185 TheMatrix31
Until a few people started being real prominent posters, shit like this hardly EVER happened.
Because no one disagreed with anyone else, and if you disagreed, you got called a commie asshole and were annhilated. I remember those days.
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Stonemason Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:41:40am |
re: #181 SixDegrees
all that needs is some cole slaw and a couple 'a bisquits
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:42:07am |
re: #190 Bagua
It is an interesting dilemma. Do the Japanese really want to take over their own defence?
Does Asia really want Japan to take over their own defense?
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:42:23am |
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:42:41am |
re: #189 TheMatrix31
Not sure about the apples, but that sounds pretty damn good dude.
Apples and pork were made for each other. But to each his own. The same basic recipe can be made a thousand different ways, with the only difference being the braising liquid and spices added to it. Chicken stock and some white wine are another good starting point, flavored with whatever you think works with pork.
Just make sure you don't go overboard with the spices. By the time you reduce the liquid, they'll be much stronger, so go easy.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:44:00am |
re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist
Does Asia really want Japan to take over their own defense?
China isn't crazy about the prospect.
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Stonemason Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:44:13am |
re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist
that is the question, does the world think they can defend themselves? It seems that is the direction in which the world is headed, but I see another military bail-out by the U.S./U.K in the future (with help from those pesky Canadians of course)
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Stonemason Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:44:52am |
re: #195 SixDegrees
Heck, I've seen the pan de-glazed with Mountian Dew!
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:46:11am |
re: #195 SixDegrees
I'm not questioning the recipe or your methods ;). If I pass this recipe along to my Mom, you better damn believe that apples will be involved.
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:46:43am |
re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I don't think it's 'suspicious'. I think everyone involved in those conflicts knew exactly how he would react to stimuli, and played their parts the way they always do, every single time.
Oh come on, he was also insulting people he had never chatted with before, he always does that to anyone who disagrees in the slightest bit with his infallible self.
People just poke him back now because they are sick of being called morons by the arrogant fool. But yes, the poking back has an effect as well and it would be better to just ignore him and let him rule the roost whenever he pleases.
re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist
Does Asia really want Japan to take over their own defense?
Therein lay the rub, eh? Asia is a different place then it was cir. WWII.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:51:15am |
re: #194 TheMatrix31
Obviously, things are much more civil now.
/
No, they're not. But please understand why. I remember the days before the Great Up And Leaving. Every thread--and I mean EVERY THREAD--was a litany of crap about liberals. Now, except for Avanti and the lurkers, there were no liberals around--so everyone talked shit about how bad and stupid and funny liberals were, and went unchallenged, and it was quite peaceful.
Then we lost a whole lot of people, mostly people who couldn't stand being asked to expand their world view in the slightest, and we got new people, some of whom were actually liberals, or voted Democrat or some thing, and they became part of the group.
Now tensions are starting to flare, and some people would love to say it's all Ice and Jimmah's fault, or Obdicut's fault, or God knows whose fault, because that would make their lives simpler, having someone to blame. But the fact of the matter is, we're trying to discuss complicated things here, and things people believe deeply in, and we're screwing up and being jerks sometimes, and it's not just coming from one direction.
I don't savor the fights, but I also wouldn't like to go back to the days when I would log on and the first thing I'd spot would be six or seven posts in a row about how evil, bad, and idiotic the 'libtards' were. So, can we take responsibility, act like grown-ups, and live in a heterogenous society, even a small imaginary on-line one? Or can we really only manage to talk to people who agree with us?
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:52:58am |
re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist
For your last paragraph----I'm not sure. I would hope so.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:53:28am |
re: #202 TheMatrix31
For your last paragraph---I'm not sure. I would hope so.
Me too.
And on that note, I really, really have to go to sleep.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:55:10am |
re: #194 TheMatrix31
Obviously, things are much more civil now.
/
I don't like echo chambers. They bore me into a coma. The reason LGF is son interesting is it's not an echo chamber. CF doesn't echo sentiments of the left or the right, and there's lots of disagreement in the comments. When the comments become an echo chamber (the SOTU thread comes to mind) then I just take off, because it's simply not interesting.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:59:23am |
re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I don't think it's 'suspicious'. I think everyone involved in those conflicts knew exactly how he would react to stimuli, and played their parts the way they always do, every single time.
Yepyepyep.
I've been on online communities that predate LGF (giant email lists from the late 1990s) where the same thing happened. The same fights, over and over again, the same baiting, the same concern trolls, the same names called. And in different threads, almost the same arguments word for word.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 3:04:26am |
re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist
No, they're not. But please understand why. I remember the days before the Great Up And Leaving. Every thread--and I mean EVERY THREAD--was a litany of crap about liberals. Now, except for Avanti and the lurkers, there were no liberals around--so everyone talked shit about how bad and stupid and funny liberals were, and went unchallenged, and it was quite peaceful.
Then we lost a whole lot of people, mostly people who couldn't stand being asked to expand their world view in the slightest, and we got new people, some of whom were actually liberals, or voted Democrat or some thing, and they became part of the group.
Now tensions are starting to flare, and some people would love to say it's all Ice and Jimmah's fault, or Obdicut's fault, or God knows whose fault, because that would make their lives simpler, having someone to blame. But the fact of the matter is, we're trying to discuss complicated things here, and things people believe deeply in, and we're screwing up and being jerks sometimes, and it's not just coming from one direction.
I don't savor the fights, but I also wouldn't like to go back to the days when I would log on and the first thing I'd spot would be six or seven posts in a row about how evil, bad, and idiotic the 'libtards' were. So, can we take responsibility, act like grown-ups, and live in a heterogenous society, even a small imaginary on-line one? Or can we really only manage to talk to people who agree with us?
Bingo.
I remember those days too. I was reading here for years. The comments threads I peeked into were filled with crap about 'libtards'. Yes, every thread.
I really don't know how people stood it. I've been around the political blogosphere for years, and I can't stand the comment threads on liberal blogs that devolve into calling all republicans and conservatives names. Disgusting.
Make no mistake though, there are a (very) few here for pine for those days, and don't want a diverse community.
And that's where a great deal (not all) of the latent hostility comes from.
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ArchangelMichael Sun, Jan 31, 2010 3:36:33am |
re: #149 SixDegrees
Whatever. The point is, this is the sort of thing Ludwig does these days; he often starts there, whereas in the past he at least attempted to hijack a thread by changing the topic, and then starting a brawl. I believe he's trying to instigate such a response, and it thrills him when he succeeds.
I see all the direct, personal insults he was flinging around downstairs. They don't deserve a response, or even an acknowledgment. I wouldn't even be giving the matter this much attention except for illustrative purposes.
Short version: he's baiting you. Don't take the bait.
At risk of violating the rule formerly known as the I.F. Rule (so bear with me)...
I'm not going downstairs to look at the mess. I've seen enough of it and don't care to have it "Damage my Calm"... that said, I have noticed that for the past couple of months, a particular Lizard, who will remain nameless seems to only come here to start fights and flame wars now. He gets into it with people, often Bagua, and gets very nasty over several threads for a couple of days. Then he disappears and doesn't post for a couple of weeks and then comes back to repeat the cycle. This is not cool IMO, not healthy, and not in the spirit of LGF, or at least my idea of what LGF is about.
The conservative leaning, right-ish people who are still here posting at LGF are not assholes or morons and deserve to be heard out on all issues. If they didn't get booted, banned, or leave because they were butthurt about "daddy turning on me" or losing their echo-chamber, then they are worthy of respect. We are here to discuss issues of importance in a civil manner that is nowhere to be found on 99% of "conservative" or "liberal" blogs. We have a different philosophical basis from which we approach these issues than the left, but broad brush painting of the right as bad which far too many new people do here is asinine.
Just wanted to say my piece and I hope my slightly drunken preceding rambling made sense. That said, I value almost everyone on LGF, regardless of their political leaning and philosophy and I want this place to continue to be somewhere that sane people with different opinions can discuss them rationally without ad hominem (or worse) nonsense.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jan 31, 2010 3:40:46am |
Good Morning Lizards!
Trip to Pensacola was great. Got to fly the old training helo and my speech to the new wingers was well received. Great trip!
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abolitionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 3:44:20am |
re: #174 Stonemason
I found no mention in that article of either empire or building. By chance, do you write headlines for some form of news media?
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 3:53:38am |
re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist
While I generally agree with your sentiments here (although I don't think I was around in the Before Times of which you speak, or at least not for very long) I can't apply any of it to the thread downstairs, or several others of the same nature. I can't find much, if any, actual content down there, no discussion, no debate, nothing at all other than crap being slung. It is pretty uniformly vile and repugnant, and something I can do without not for ideological reasons, but because it's petty and childish and has nothing to offer.
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ryannon Sun, Jan 31, 2010 4:27:11am |
re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist
My computer is trying to save me by freezing up every time I try to get back into it.
That makes two of us: my system crashed at least four times before I came over here....
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 4:29:42am |
12 people logged in. I always wonder, how many are logged in but are sound asleep?
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 4:31:51am |
re: #212 rwdflynavy
The thread's dead Jim...
Not all of them. Random kicking of a troll occurring elsewhere.
Congrats on your talk btw! glad it went well.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 4:40:11am |
Good Morning! Hope all Lizards are well today!
26 after a day of rain and freezing rain, everything is frozen. Church canceled - we don't have that many members as it is, no use in getting a few of them killed trying to get to church!
But the power never failed and it is toasty inside!
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:10:40am |
The sources confirmed that Mabhouh, one of the founders of Hamas' military wing, was a "key element" in the Palestinian group's arms supply.
According to the report, Mabhouh was not accompanied by security guards on his trip to Dubai, which was scheduled to last several days, although he usually had a regular team of bodyguards as a senior member of Hamas' military wing. The reason was technical: The guards could not get tickets for the same flight. And so during the assassination, al-Mabhouh was alone in his hotel room, without any bodyguards.
SNIP
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:18:48am |
SNIP
Both leaders noted that the executed men "were arrested months before the June 12 election and their cases had nothing to do with post-election events." "Such actions," they said, "appear meant only to scare people and discourage them from attending the February 11 rally."
Meanwhile, Iran's official Press TV reported that the judiciary put 16 more opposition protesters on trial, saying that five have been accused of being "enemies of God," a charge which carries the death penalty. It said 37 others, some of whom it claims were trained abroad, will be put on trial soon.
SNIP
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:28:19am |
re: #215 iceweasel
Not all of them. Random kicking of a troll occurring elsewhere.
Congrats on your talk btw! glad it went well.Morning Ice! Thanks!
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:28:41am |
re: #214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
12 people logged in. I always wonder, how many are logged in but are sound asleep?
Morning FBV!
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:36:17am |
From the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:
Satan writes Pat Robertson (2nd letter)
Dear Pat Robertson,
I know that you know that all press is good press, so I appreciate the shout-out. And you make God look like a big mean bully who kicks people when they are down, so I'm all over that action. But when you say that Haiti has made a pact with me, it is totally humiliating.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:46:26am |
re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wasn't that a hoot?
I didn't know they had newspaper delivery in hell!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:48:38am |
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boredtechindenver Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:49:05am |
Well, its the end of another work week here. made it through the flame fest threads. It's nice when work doesn't intrude on my reading.
If you were to look at a screen shot of LGF on my computer, you would think that quite a few posters were very fond of pie. It makes me appreciate those from either side who can post with civility and intelligence, and even funny snark. It also makes me not want to jump into flame wars, even if I agree with one side or the other, because who wants to quote comments about pie like, "Bottom-crust-only pies may be known as tarts or tartlets."
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:49:52am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:49:56am |
re: #227 boredtechindenver
Well, its the end of another work week here. made it through the flame fest threads. It's nice when work doesn't intrude on my reading.
If you were to look at a screen shot of LGF on my computer, you would think that quite a few posters were very fond of pie. It makes me appreciate those from either side who can post with civility and intelligence, and even funny snark. It also makes me not want to jump into flame wars, even if I agree with one side or the other, because who wants to quote comments about pie like, "Bottom-crust-only pies may be known as tarts or tartlets."
There's pie?
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:54:26am |
Egyptian independent daily al-Masry al-Youm said the suspects planned to bomb the tomb of Rabbi Abuhatzira in the Nile Delta while Jewish and Israeli tourists visited the site.
The security official said the suspects were arrested on charges of stockpiling weapons and explosives to be used in "attacks against targets inside Egypt."
SNIP
Quoting security officials, the paper also said the group was planning to ship weapons and explosives to Hamas for use in their rockets.
The report added that some of the suspects have received training in the troubled Sudanese region of Darfur.
SNIP
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:56:25am |
re: #227 boredtechindenver
Well, its the end of another work week here. made it through the flame fest threads. It's nice when work doesn't intrude on my reading.
If you were to look at a screen shot of LGF on my computer, you would think that quite a few posters were very fond of pie. It makes me appreciate those from either side who can post with civility and intelligence, and even funny snark. It also makes me not want to jump into flame wars, even if I agree with one side or the other, because who wants to quote comments about pie like, "Bottom-crust-only pies may be known as tarts or tartlets."
Flame Wars, huh, yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Uh-huh
Flame War, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, y'all
Flame War, huh, good God
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Listen to me
Ohhh, flames, I despise
Because it means destruction
Of innocent lives
War means tears
To thousands of mothers eyes
When their sons go to fight
And lose their lives
I said, flame war, huh
Good God, y'all
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:56:45am |
re: #230 RogueOne
I'm obviously way too old for your music. How old are you? 25? My son plays this stuff.
Got any Glen Miller?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:57:56am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:58:50am |
re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oops... replied to wrong post...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:01:07am |
A guy is stranded on a desert island all alone for ten years.
One day he sees a speck on the horizon. He thinks to himself, 'It's not a ship.' The speck gets a little closer and he thinks, 'It's not a boat.' The speck gets even closer and he thinks, 'It's not a raft.' Then, out of the surf comes this gorgeous blonde woman wearing a wet suit and scuba gear.
She comes up to the guy and she says, 'How long has it been since you've had a cigarette?' 'Ten years!', he says. She reaches over, unzips this waterproof pocket on her left sleeve and pulls out a pack of fresh cigarettes. He takes one, lights it, takes a long drag and says, 'Man, oh man! Is that good!'
Then she asked, 'How long has it been since you've had a drink of whiskey?'
He replies, 'Ten years!' She reaches over, unzips her waterproof pocket on the right, pulls out a flask and gives it to him. He takes a long swig and says, 'Wow! That's fantastic!' Then she starts unzipping this long zipper
that runs down the front of her wet suit and she says to him, 'And how long has it been since you've played around?'
And the man replies, 'My Goodness! If you've got a set of golf clubs in there, I'll just die!'
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:02:01am |
"It could be Mossad, or another party," police chief Dhahi Khalfan told AFP.
"Personally, I don't exclude any possibility. I don't exclude any party that has an interest in the assassination" of Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Mabhuh, Khalfan said.
"There were seven or more people holding passports from different European countries" in the group suspected of killing Mabhuh, Khalfan said.
He refused to name the countries, but added, "we are currently in contact with these European countries to verify the authenticity of the passports."
The hardline Palestinian Hamas movement on Friday accused Israel of assassinating Mabhuh, who was found dead in his hotel room in Dubai on January 20, and vowed revenge.
Hamas has acknowledged that Mabhuh was in Dubai to buy arms for Hamas in its struggle against Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories.
SNIP
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:03:15am |
re: #235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oops... replied to wrong post...
Who cares, just get back to the pie! I am very interested in the PIE!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:03:18am |
re: #237 MandyManners
That the guy smothered with a pillow by his homosexual lover? NTTAWWT.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:04:40am |
re: #238 SteveC
I made an apple streudel pie yesterday. Got a big ole' slice while it was still warm... was sooo good. Was going to have a slice this morning.
I went to bed early.
Family apparently really enjoyed the pie... there's none left.
Sigh. The pie was a lie.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:05:18am |
re: #239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
NTTAWWT.
Especially if the guy is a Hamas operative looking to stock up.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:06:39am |
re: #233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm obviously way too old for your music. How old are you? 25? My son plays this stuff.
Got any Glen Miller?
Kinda. Will this do?
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:06:52am |
re: #239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That the guy smothered with a pillow by his homosexual lover? NTTAWWT.
I can't remember if it's in the story I previously linked to but, the word now blood tests show he was poisoned. One story (I've read several) claims he was using a false passport. Another, claims that he was using his own and that he had done so repeatedly when travelling to Dubai. And, he seems to have been travelling without his bodyguards because the plane was full.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:07:15am |
re: #241 SteveC
Especially if the guy is a Hamas operative looking to stock up.
Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:09:18am |
re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I made an apple streudel pie yesterday. Got a big ole' slice while it was still warm... was sooo good. Was going to have a slice this morning.
I went to bed early.
Family apparently really enjoyed the pie... there's none left.
Sigh. The pie was a lie.
Remind them of how the book Thinner ends.
He intends to give [the poisoned pie] to Heidi, whom he has come to blame for his predicament; the next morning, though, he finds that both she and his daughter Linda have eaten from the pie. Realizing that both of them are now doomed, he cuts a slice for himself so that he can join them in death.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:09:36am |
re: #242 iceweasel
Kinda. Will this do?
[Video]
Good Morning..Did you get my email?
Music?
DJ Spin this stuff:
[Link: www.50cent.com...]
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:10:38am |
re: #246 HoosierHoops
Good Morning..Did you get my email?
Music?
DJ Spin this stuff:
[Link: www.50cent.com...]
hey honey! sure did-- answered but I think you'd gone to bed. :)
Hope you and Winston are super this am!
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:10:40am |
re: #244 MandyManners
Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?
Well, he either tested his weapon, or let someone else test their weapon on him...
*Gross, man!*
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:12:30am |
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RogueOne Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:13:47am |
re: #233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm obviously way too old for your music. How old are you? 25? My son plays this stuff.
Got any Glen Miller?
They've been around for quite awhile, mid 90's I think.
BRB, hard restart thanks to zune update.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:15:22am |
re: #248 SteveC
Well, he either tested his weapon, or let someone else test their weapon on him...
*Gross, man!*
Rumor is that it was an Iranian weapon.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:15:49am |
re: #245 SteveC
I think Stephen King is a (generally) underappreciated author. Yes, a lot of the later stuff isn't very good, but I think some of the early stuff is brilliant, and he's been largely denied the credit he deserved from the 'literary establishment' for years mostly because he's popular (and genre). Snobbery, IMO.
Thinner, I kinda have some issues with, but on the whole I think it's also brilliant and creepy.
The best King stuff (and 'genre' fiction, esp horror) speaks to some universal truths of the human condition under the trappings of the genre conventions, and transcends them to become literature.
Thinner is one book that does that, imo.
I would also argue that the extremely gruesome Pet Sematary is dealing with some deep issues and is also brilliant.
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razorbacker Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:17:16am |
re: #233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm obviously way too old for your music. How old are you? 25? My son plays this stuff.
Got any Glen Miller?
I looked in at Boing Boing a while ago and they were commenting on folks' favorite music. Which got me to thinking. My favorite music when, exactly?
The music that I listen to while parked in a traffic jam is not the music that I choose while attempting to get from Oklahoma City to Tulsa in sixty minutes, and that isn't what I listen to while carving up Arkansas 7 from Harrison to Russellville.
The music that is playing while I'm downing a couple of cold ones in a Texas ice house isn't the same as what I listen to at half-time at a football game, and that music isn't the choice when dressed up and sitting at a woodwind concert.
The music playing whilst trying to divest some sweet young thing of her undergarments will not be the same as the music playing while sitting in church, or attending the memorial service of a fallen comrade. And that music is not the same as the music playing at a BBQ.
A 'favorite' music is very much situation-dependent. It's like trying to chose your favorite child.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:18:01am |
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:20:27am |
re: #250 RogueOne
BRB, hard restart thanks to zune update.
Mr. Scott, can we do a cold restart of the ship's engines?
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:20:28am |
re: #252 iceweasel
Thinner freaked me out..
The Dead Zone Rocked.. I posted yesterday that Cato the Elder reminded me of Christopher Walken hiding in the loft when Sarah Palin comes up here..
/Love ya Cato
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:20:41am |
re: #252 iceweasel
Pet Semitary has the scariest chapter I've ever read in a book.
My son was two when I read it. I'm guessing you know what I'm talking about.
Stephen Kings writing is probably better to him since his accident, but to me, has become un-readable. Prior to? Genius. Read everything he wrote.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:21:43am |
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:23:16am |
re: #252 iceweasel
The best King stuff (and 'genre' fiction, esp horror) speaks to some universal truths of the human condition under the trappings of the genre conventions, and transcends them to become literature
My two favorites are The Long Walk and That really long one he wrote.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:23:36am |
The scroll is on TV right now with lists of churches with cancelled services today. (a foot of snow will do that)...
Takes 25 minutes for the scroll to finish...
Why don't they just list the Churches open? There are three, I think.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:24:25am |
re: #258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Beethoven, piano work, not symphony.
Love Beethoven...
You're really not that fun at parties are you?
*wink*
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:25:49am |
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:26:26am |
re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Pet Semitary has the scariest chapter I've ever read in a book.
My son was two when I read it. I'm guessing you know what I'm talking about.
Stephen Kings writing is probably better to him since his accident, but to me, has become un-readable. Prior to? Genius. Read everything he wrote.
I do know. And I've read the book more than once, and it still gives me nightmares. I reckon it freaks out most people, especially those with intimate knowledge of death.
I can't even imagine reading it as a parent. I suspect you and I have the same reaction. You even more so, though.
I agree with you about him being unreadable since the accident, and like you I read everything before that. Definitely genius, and yet mostly sneered at by the 'establishment'.
I think he did write one good book post accident though-- it was nonfiction and written while he was recovering. On Writing.
I thought it was incredibly honest and also a good look at the craft of writing.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:27:04am |
re: #261 HoosierHoops
You don't like classical music at all?
I can listen to most types of music, if I think it is done well.
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RogueOne Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:29:41am |
FBV, according to zune this is the oldest album I have on my pc.
Alice Cooper
Welcome to my Nightmare. 1975
Good thing I fell in love with his music before I saw these videos. God that's awful. What a great live show though. I've seen Alice at least 20 times.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:30:16am |
re: #264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You don't like classical music at all?
I can listen to most types of music, if I think it is done well.
No.. I like all kinds of music.. My mom could play classical music on the Piano..
I just love teasing you this morning my friend...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:31:52am |
re: #265 RogueOne
I saw Alice at the Star Theater in Merrillville, Indiana in 2003 (?). October 29th. Fourth row center. Just sat there, jaw open thinking, "Holy shit! I'm twenty feet from Alice Cooper!"
Love Alice Cooper.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:31:58am |
re: #259 SteveC
My two favorites are The Long Walk and That really long one he wrote.
I thought the Long Walk was also genius.
The Stand is amazing too. I read the newer unexpurgated version too, and as a fan I did love it-- but in some ways I think the original, cut version was better. I'm not sure.
Thing about King is that his books then, independent of the supernatural trappings and genre stuff, always seemed to me to be so brilliant about human nature, character development, more. The Stand is awesome as a vision of a dystopian future, but also for other reasons.
Take Salem's Lot: on one level, people say "oh, boring, vampires'. But it's a deliberate reworking of Bram Stoker's Dracula-- and at the same time a meditation on small town life and ordinary and petty evil.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:33:21am |
re: #262 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Baby, can you dig your man?
M-O-O-N that spells Tom Cullen!
Laws, yes!
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:33:42am |
re: #268 iceweasel
His Wife is a great writer..I've read some of her stories
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:34:54am |
re: #266 HoosierHoops
I know. Beethoven's Piano Sonatas, Barber's Adagio for Strings, Marilyn Horne/Pavoratti singing arias...
And OT... watching Obama and Biden at the basketball game last night...
note to Biden....
YOU ARE ENTIRELY TOO FUCKING OLD TO HAVE YOU SPORT JACKET'S COLLAR FLIPPED UP! GEEZ!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:35:43am |
re: #268 iceweasel
Salem's Lot scared the shit out of me.
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Cathypop Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:35:46am |
re: #233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm obviously way too old for your music. How old are you? 25? My son plays this stuff.
Got any Glen Miller?
Morning FBV. I'm almost 54 and really like Rogues music choices. I aalso like Glen Miller
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:36:16am |
In an exclusive interview with The Jerusalem Post, Shabaneh, who until recently was in charge of the Anti-Corruption Department in the PA’s General Intelligence Service (GIS), warned that what happened in the Gaza Strip in the summer of 2007, when Hamas managed to overthrow the Fatah-controlled regime, is likely to recur in the West Bank.
“Had it not been for the presence of the Israeli authorities in the West Bank, Hamas would have done what they did in the Gaza Strip,” Shabaneh told the Post. “It’s hard to find people in the West Bank who support the Palestinian Authority. People are fed up with the financial corruption and mismanagement of the Palestinian Authority.”
Shabaneh said that many Palestinians in the West Bank have lost hope that the PA would one day be reformed. “The Palestinian Authority is very corrupt and needs to be overhauled,” he said.
Shabaneh cited several specific cases of alleged corruption within Fatah and the PA in the course of the interview, including asserting that Fatah personnel stole much of a $3.2 million donation given by the US to Fatah ahead of the 2006 Palestinian parliamentary election, won by Hamas, which had been intended to improve Fatah’s image and boost its chances of winning.
SNIP
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:36:35am |
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:37:11am |
re: #270 HoosierHoops
His Wife is a great writer..I've read some of her stories
Oh cool! I haven't.
I tried an old novel of hers years ago and didn't get into it. I think it's cool that she's a writer too and it's nice to hear she's a great one also.
I always kind of liked King and his wife purely because she's the one who took his first manuscript (Carrie) out of the trash and made him finish it, (and he's always credited her with the idea, and many other ideas) and when he sold his first book they were living in a trailer with a couple of kids, working lots of jobs and making very little. A real american success story in so many ways.
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RogueOne Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:38:12am |
re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He's the only autograph I own. He was on the local radio station the night before a concert in '91. We went down and waited for him to come out. There was just a few of us out there and he sat and signed autgraphs, took pictures and chatted for a solid 10 mins. It was very nice of him.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:38:18am |
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:38:51am |
re: #271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I know. Beethoven's Piano Sonatas, Barber's Adagio for Strings, Marilyn Horne/Pavoratti singing arias...
And OT... watching Obama and Biden at the basketball game last night...
note to Biden...
YOU ARE ENTIRELY TOO FUCKING OLD TO HAVE YOU SPORT JACKET'S COLLAR FLIPPED UP! GEEZ!
Obama did a great on the TV interview during the game.. He really knows the game of basketball.. He was a good wing player in school.. Coach said he shot to much though
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:39:58am |
re: #276 iceweasel
A story of when Norman Vincent Peale wrote "The Power Of Positive Thinking" always got me going. He finally gave up (after a hundred or so rejections) and put his manuscript in the wastebasket.
His wife packaged it up, in the wastebasket and sent it to a publisher who read it and published it.
Folk lore? I don't care. Cool story.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:40:17am |
And in news that will shock absolutely nobody, the TSA is fucking up again:
Derogatory 'Jeopardy' board launches TSA probe
The board, resembling the TV game show "Jeopardy," includes categories such as "pickle smokers," "our gang" and "creatures," which sources said were names used by managers for gay men, African-Americans and lesbians.
That's the kind of mature judgment I've come to expect of the TSA.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:40:53am |
re: #278 MandyManners
One of the only Jazz songs I can listen to.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:41:15am |
re: #276 iceweasel
I always kind of liked King and his wife purely because she's the one who took his first manuscript (Carrie) out of the trash and made him finish it, (and he's always credited her with the idea, and many other ideas) and when he sold his first book they were living in a trailer with a couple of kids, working lots of jobs and making very little. A real american success story in so many ways.
Read an article by him in a youth magazine, about how he was a high school teacher trying to write, not having much success, and what people would say when they found out a "horror writer" was teaching their kids.
Parent: "Where do you get those... ideas?!?!"
King: "There's a monthly magazine that is only for writers, it's called Lots o' Plots."
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:42:31am |
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Ateam Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:42:55am |
re: #243 MandyManners
I can't remember if it's in the story I previously linked to but, the word now blood tests show he was poisoned. One story (I've read several) claims he was using a false passport. Another, claims that he was using his own and that he had done so repeatedly when travelling to Dubai. And, he seems to have been travelling without his bodyguards because the plane was full.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:43:23am |
I'm skipping church and baking some gluten-free bread this morning. Anybody want a piece?
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:45:30am |
Israel's general policy is to neither confirm nor deny allegations about the activities of its intelligence agents but it is notable that many of its enemies meet suspicious and violent deaths.
"We are witnessing an intense intelligence struggle, most of it is covert, some of it overt," said Ronen Bergman, author of By Any Means Necessary, and other books and articles on Israel's covert operations.
Among the best documented of Israel's assassinations were a wave of killings of pro-Palestinian militants in Paris, Nicosia, Beirut and Athens, carried out in response to the hostage crisis at the Munich Olympics in 1972 which resulted in the deaths of 11 Israelis.*
Methods used included a booby-trapped telephone, a bomb planted in a bed, and a raid in Beirut in which current Defence Minister Ehud Barak dressed as a woman.
There are even claims that a poisoned chocolate was later used to kill a commander of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in East Germany in 1978.
In 1987 Israel made no attempt to disguise their assassination of Khalil al-Wazir - known as Abu Jihad - the Palestine Liberation Organisation's military leader and second in command.
Israeli commandos crept into Tunisia, where the PLO's exiled leadership was based, and shot him several times in his own home before escaping by sea.
It was an operation in which Mr Barak is also believed to have been involved.
SNIP
*That was the operation known as Wrath of God.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:46:39am |
re: #281 Obdicut
And in news that will shock absolutely nobody, the TSA is fucking up again:
Derogatory 'Jeopardy' board launches TSA probe
Was it here that I read about a TSA agent being filmed sleeping on the job?
That's the kind of mature judgment I've come to expect of the TSA.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:47:08am |
re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
One of the only Jazz songs I can listen to.
Lotsa' jazz gives me the heebie-jeebies.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:47:42am |
re: #287 cliffster
I'm skipping church and baking some gluten-free bread this morning. Anybody want a piece?
Aw dang, I just finished a snack...
1 box Honey Nut Cheerios
1 Box Rice Chex
1 Container shelled Pistachio Nuts (2 if container is small)
Layer Cheerios, Chex, and Pistachios, stirring frequently. Store in a resealable container and enjoy.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:48:03am |
re: #287 cliffster
I'm skipping church and baking some gluten-free bread this morning. Anybody want a piece?
I love fresh baked bread...On Friday nights at the Napa Farmers market you can buy fresh baked bread and real butter.. Heaven
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:50:12am |
re: #284 SteveC
Read an article by him in a youth magazine, about how he was a high school teacher trying to write, not having much success, and what people would say when they found out a "horror writer" was teaching their kids.
Parent: "Where do you get those... ideas?!?!"
King: "There's a monthly magazine that is only for writers, it's called Lots o' Plots."
Awesome!
I think he was working as a high school teacher and she was picking up some work sometimes as a sub, but they had two little kids and so it was really rough...he was working summers in a laundry to help make ends meet (obv where he got the idea for the Mangler) and often suddenly selling a short story to a tiny magazine was the difference between going grocery shopping, or getting the electric paid before it would be shut off, or eating rice and stuff from the pantry for another week.
They seem like cool people-- they have money and security now of course, but I think it was always clear in King's writing that he really understood what it was like to be living on the edge of poverty.
Anyway, I'm a big fan.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:50:29am |
re: #290 MandyManners
Lotsa' jazz gives me the heebie-jeebies.
me too. Most of it doesn't go anywhere. I can't abide it.
Three jazz things I can listen to...
Inner City Blues, Dirty Dozen Brass Band
Take Five, Dave Brubeck
So What, Miles Davis...
Other than that? meh.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:51:07am |
re: #286 Ateam
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
I can't get it to load but, Haaretz is one I've read today.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:51:32am |
re: #294 iceweasel
I read the Dead Zone in 1 day..Page turner
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:51:37am |
re: #292 HoosierHoops
I love fresh baked bread...On Friday nights at the Napa Farmers market you can buy fresh baked bread and real butter.. Heaven
You and Winston have to come visit me and Jimmah one day, Hoops. I can't claim to be a great bread maker, but we make our own bread now. :-)
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:52:39am |
re: #287 cliffster
I'm skipping church and baking some gluten-free bread this morning. Anybody want a piece?
Celiac disease?
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:53:09am |
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:54:03am |
re: #298 iceweasel
You and Winston have to come visit me and Jimmah one day, Hoops. I can't claim to be a great bread maker, but we make our own bread now. :-)
We have an office in Sefton Park, UK. Someday when I visit we are so going out...Dinner is on me
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:57:29am |
re: #301 HoosierHoops
We have an office in Sefton Park, UK. Someday when I visit we are so going out...Dinner is on me
Obviously you'll just have to come for longer then, because we'll have to take you out one night as well.
And of course, staying with us in Scotland is also mandatory at some point.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:57:37am |
Hoosier, you can take both of my friends off of the prayer list. One came through the valve replacement surgery just great; and the other is having a lot easier time since they changed her medication. They still plan to run the tube down her throat just to make sure there isn't something else going on, but it looks like the medication shuffle has helped.
And a big thank you to everyone who had a kind thought for my friends.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:59:58am |
re: #303 SteveC
Done...
OK Time to post the prayer list..Take a moment today and say a prayer for our Brothers and Sisters in Haiti..
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:00:08am |
The Little green football prayer list
We pray Father for The Haitian people in need... They cry out for help and comfort in this hour.
Bless those that have died…Comfort the survivors. Heal those that are wounded.
Guide the first responders and the doctors and keep them safe.
Heal their Nation..
Ausador: Parents
Guanxi88: Best wishes and lizard mojo to my wife's best friend. her father committed suicide not two weeks after her mother succumbed to cancer.
Reine: Health and Family
gregb - 4 year old son who suffered a head injury last Friday and spent the
weekend in the ICU with some lingering effects all week.
Irish Rose… midlife retraining for a new career
I.R. My Marine was just taken into medical at MCAS Miramar, they think that he may have a blood clot in his leg.
SteveC: Two friends, one needs heart surgery, and one might.
If you could add Sherman Nugent and his family to the prayer list, it would be greatly appreciated. He was a professor at my school since 1968, and a good friend to many. He only stopped teaching and conducting research a couple of semesters ago. Not sure if adding a link to obituaries is customary or not, but here it is: link
Thanks
My other friend got a surgical date in January. She quickly got tired of the waiting and asked the surgeon if she could reschedule earlier. Now she's set for Nov 16
lurking faith… prayers for an aunt
,
Beekiller: Sister has been diagnosed with Cancer…We pray for a speedy recovery
Wlewisiii: Son John has the H1N1 flu….May God touch and heal him this morning
Prairiefire: Health for Family and friends
Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn't go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Yesandno’s husband passed away Friday.. Pray for her comfort
Thanksgiving: Odbicut: Friends little brother recovering From N1H1 virus..
Thank you Lord
In Memoriam:
Obi Wan
Dublin(CA)Dude
USMC 1968
ElderZion
All our Troops who have died protecting our Freedom and their families.
Lord. Hear our Prayers
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:00:50am |
re: #299 MandyManners
Celiac disease?
Something like that. Littlest one has GI issues. Diaper time is not fun.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:00:59am |
re: #303 SteveC
Hope the intubation goes smoothly. Best of luck to their full and speedy recovery.
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:01:31am |
re: #292 HoosierHoops
I love fresh baked bread...On Friday nights at the Napa Farmers market you can buy fresh baked bread and real butter.. Heaven
Fresh baked bread is proof that God loves us
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:02:22am |
re: #308 cliffster
Beer is liquid bread.
More proof.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:02:55am |
re: #307 Obdicut
Hope the intubation goes smoothly. Best of luck to their full and speedy recovery.
The last time I had that done was 1977, and I swear they were shoving a garden hose down my throat! I'm very hopeful that the technology is better!
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sandbox Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:03:44am |
Scott Brown with Babawawa. Barbara gets all the good interviews.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:05:01am |
Hoosier? Add my friend Jeff. Recently diagnosed with ALS. His family will watch him fade and die over the next three to five years. Wife and two kids (kids are young adults).
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:05:42am |
re: #308 cliffster
Fresh baked bread is proof that God loves us
Warm fresh baked Hawaiian bread with real butter sitting downtown Napa on a warm Friday night...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:06:00am |
re: #312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hoosier? I forgot please, and thank you.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:06:43am |
Brown tells ABC's "This Week" that he disagrees with his party's position that the Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion should be overturned.
Brown says the abortion question is one that's best handled by a woman, her family and her doctor. He also says more effort needs to go into reducing the number of abortions in the U.S.
Brown has said the GOP shouldn't take his vote for granted on every issue. He says he's fiscally conservative but more moderate on social issues.
SNIP
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:07:04am |
Friend comes to me and says "Where can I get a box 1 inch wide, 1 inch tall, and seventy feet long?" Naturally I ask why he needs a box in those dimensions.
"My neighbor moved and forgot his garden hose, I thought I should mail it to him."
You've been in the cold too long!
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:07:25am |
re: #306 cliffster
Something like that. Littlest one has GI issues. Diaper time is not fun.
Wouldn't this have gone undiagnosed years ago and be blamed on "failure to thrive"?
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:07:44am |
re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hoosier? I forgot please, and thank you.
Done..May God grant Jeff's family Strength and healing today
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sandbox Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:08:17am |
re: #315 MandyManners
Brown is "Allow, but discourage" on abortion. Sound right to me.
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:09:19am |
re: #312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hoosier? Add my friend Jeff. Recently diagnosed with ALS. His family will watch him fade and die over the next three to five years. Wife and two kids (kids are young adults).
That's terrible to hear. fuck ALS
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Ateam Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:11:09am |
re: #293 SteveC
A bomb!
... in bed!
Not really in bed. Truth is -- the devise was planted into the side bed lamp..
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:11:43am |
re: #320 sandbox
Brown is "Allow, but discourage" on abortion. Sound right to me.
Didn't HRC take the position of "safe but rare" during the campaign?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:11:45am |
White House changing an Earned Income Tax Credit program to save some money.
How about getting rid of the Earned Income Tax Credit? That would save some real money.
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:11:51am |
re: #317 MandyManners
Wouldn't this have gone undiagnosed years ago and be blamed on "failure to thrive"?
Sure would have. Lots of developmental delays come out of this sort of thing. Failure to thrive, then they called it autism, whatever. We're starting him young (1.5 years) - hoping he doesn't miss a beat.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:13:26am |
I was cleaning up after the "party" last night, and I have miscellaneous unidentified body parts here. Does anyone want to claim them? They look like they may have belonged to various scientist and maybe a few sycophant followers?
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:13:30am |
re: #325 cliffster
Sure would have. Lots of developmental delays come out of this sort of thing. Failure to thrive, then they called it autism, whatever. We're starting him young (1.5 years) - hoping he doesn't miss a beat.
From what I've heard, it takes quite a bit of work.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:14:34am |
re: #317 MandyManners
Wouldn't this have gone undiagnosed years ago and be blamed on "failure to thrive"?
I think that was a catch-all diagnosis back in the days when no one was really sure what happened.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:15:10am |
re: #328 SteveC
I think that was a catch-all diagnosis back in the days when no one was really sure what happened.
And a lot of guilt was dumped on the mom.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:16:25am |
re: #326 Walter L. Newton
I was cleaning up after the "party" last night, and I have miscellaneous unidentified body parts here. Does anyone want to claim them? They look like they may have belonged to various scientist and maybe a few sycophant followers?
As long as they don't have any runny green pus or smell like battery acid, they'll probably cook up on the grill just fine. But we'll let the noobs sample them first, just to be sure.
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abolitionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:17:24am |
Minnesota a no-spin zone? - YouTube
Wind turbines that cost Minnesota $3.3 million can't work in cold weather. KSTP has more on the news that wind turbines will need heaters -- which will negate the entire reason for the turbines.
Oops.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:17:38am |
re: #330 SteveC
As long as they don't have any runny green pus or smell like battery acid, they'll probably cook up on the grill just fine. But we'll let the noobs sample them first, just to be sure.
I reckon I'll skip the bacon and just have waffles this morning.
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soap_man Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:19:15am |
re: #331 abolitionist
Minnesota a no-spin zone? - YouTube
Oops.
Ha! Chicago and the suburbs went green by replacing all the traffic lights will LED. Sounds great, but they don't generate much heat. If they get covered in snow (which happens, well, every time it snows) they don't get hot enough to melt it and it causes traffic chaos.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:19:44am |
re: #326 Walter L. Newton
I'm thinking of changing my nic to "Brave Sir Robin". I'm just going to run away whenever the threads get ugly. Not that I'm afraid of arguments, I just hate seeing people turn nasty.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:20:03am |
re: #332 MandyManners
I reckon I'll skip the bacon and just have waffles this morning.
Good Girl!
Hope today finds you well
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:21:17am |
Out of here... going to the Denver Museum of Natural History today, be back later this evening.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:21:50am |
re: #329 MandyManners
And a lot of guilt was dumped on the mom.
That is one thing that I try to emphasize when I speak to heart parents. Mom, you did not cause your child to have a heart problem. It's a combination of genetics and environment, and no one is sure what the trigger is.
The heart is one of the first organs to form and it starts as a tube - looks like a drinking straw. It can actually beat in that configuration! Later it rolls over onto itself and forms an upside down U shape, and then the U begins to grow together to form the heart. All it takes is one mistake to throw the entire thing off, but 124 out of 125 times, it's perfect.
Amazing thing, the human body.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:22:07am |
re: #336 Walter L. Newton
Big display on your baby mountains? Mine are old.
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:22:33am |
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:24:11am |
re: #326 Walter L. Newton
I was cleaning up after the "party" last night, and I have miscellaneous unidentified body parts here. Does anyone want to claim them? They look like they may have belonged to various scientist and maybe a few sycophant followers?
Uh oh.. I skipped virtual world last night. What'd I miss??
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:25:25am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:26:17am |
re: #337 SteveC
That is one thing that I try to emphasize when I speak to heart parents. Mom, you did not cause your child to have a heart problem. It's a combination of genetics and environment, and no one is sure what the trigger is.
The heart is one of the first organs to form and it starts as a tube - looks like a drinking straw. It can actually beat in that configuration! Later it rolls over onto itself and forms an upside down U shape, and then the U begins to grow together to form the heart. All it takes is one mistake to throw the entire thing off, but 124 out of 125 times, it's perfect.
Amazing thing, the human body.
Bless you for that counselling!
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:26:52am |
re: #340 cliffster
Uh oh.. I skipped virtual world last night. What'd I miss??
Imagine Joker and Batman in a no holds barred death match, in the middle of a hurricane, with all the world's nuclear powers pushing the LAUNCH button at the same moment...
... it was nastier than that!
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:27:39am |
re: #340 cliffster
Uh oh.. I skipped virtual world last night. What'd I miss??
Look in the Bottom 10.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:27:55am |
re: #334 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm thinking of changing my nic to "Brave Sir Robin". I'm just going to run away whenever the threads get ugly. Not that I'm afraid of arguments, I just hate seeing people turn nasty.
Hopefully next time Charles will create a private ground zero thread and everybody can just go to town and rip each other off-line...In fact maybe we could do a RSVP for the next Ground Zero meltdown thread...Sign up for the fight! It would be 9th grade all over again.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:29:13am |
re: #345 MandyManners
Saw the "bitch" comment. I know you're a big girl and all, but, I am sorry for that, Mandy.
I love ya!
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soap_man Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:30:40am |
re: #345 MandyManners
Look in the Bottom 10.
Just read them. Can't say I know what the context was, but that shit was uncalled for.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:31:33am |
re: #346 HoosierHoops
Hopefully next time Charles will create a private ground zero thread and everybody can just go to town and rip each other off-line...In fact maybe we could do a RSVP for the next Ground Zero meltdown thread...Sign up for the fight! It would be 9th grade all over again.
Can we hire Michael Buffer?
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:33:35am |
re: #348 soap_man
Just read them. Can't say I know what the context was, but that shit was uncalled for.
I just read the post..Fuck you bitch...That is completely uncalled for here
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:34:40am |
re: #345 MandyManners
Look in the Bottom 10.
Good grief. I wonder if people wake up the next morning and regret being such complete assholes to other humans.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:35:35am |
re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw the "bitch" comment. I know you're a big girl and all, but, I am sorry for that, Mandy.
I love ya!
*smooch*
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:35:55am |
re: #348 soap_man
Just read them. Can't say I know what the context was, but that shit was uncalled for.
*smooch*
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soap_man Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:36:04am |
OT: It's Sunday morning and I'm watching all the politics shows (Meet the Press is on now) and all the local politicians are running their ads back to back.
For all the talk about the dying influence of newspapers, every single person who got an endorsement from the Tribune or Sun-Times, or even the smaller outfits like Pioneer Press and the Daily Herald, are screaming it from the rooftops. "The Tribune says I'm the reformer who can change Springfield" "The Sun-Times says I have a strong history of ethics reform" and so on.
They don't seem to agree that no one cares about newspapers anymore.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:36:09am |
re: #351 cliffster
Honestly? I don't think they do. People who say those things, are accustomed to saying such things.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:36:25am |
re: #350 HoosierHoops
I just read the post..Fuck you bitch...That is completely uncalled for here
*smooch*
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:37:01am |
re: #351 cliffster
Good grief. I wonder if people wake up the next morning and regret being such complete assholes to other humans.
*smooch*
How many times have they done it?
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:37:05am |
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soap_man Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:37:26am |
re: #351 cliffster
Good grief. I wonder if people wake up the next morning and regret being such complete assholes to other humans.
They were drunk, perhaps? After all, it was Saturday night...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:37:36am |
I'm starving... BBIAB
Ain't got no damn pie.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:38:04am |
re: #359 soap_man
They were drunk, perhaps? After all, it was Saturday night...
All? This isn't new behavior.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:38:42am |
Good morning...sounds like it got even uglier after I left...Glad I did...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:39:02am |
re: #363 PT Barnum
What's up, you ole so n so?
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:39:21am |
re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw the "bitch" comment. I know you're a big girl and all, but, I am sorry for that, Mandy.
I love ya!
Just went and read it. Downdinged it, for what it's worth which is not much. I don't know Ludwig, but I'll bet he's better than that. Shame on him
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:40:27am |
re: #359 soap_man
They were drunk, perhaps? After all, it was Saturday night...
I always wonder if those things are what people actually believe, and the only thing that prevents them from saying it out loud is the chance they will get their teeth knocked down their throat. But out here on the internet where no one knows you, you can say what you mean.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:40:29am |
re: #363 PT Barnum
Good morning...sounds like it got even uglier after I left...Glad I did...
So you left before they hung you in effigy?
/
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soap_man Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:40:31am |
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:42:14am |
It's going to be so much fun linking some of the rhubarb!rhubarb! here the next time the scandalised folks frantically upding a certain someone for saying "fuck you" to new and/or liberal posters.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:42:30am |
re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Woke up..got out of bed..dragged a comb across my head..
just a day in the life..
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:43:25am |
re: #370 PT Barnum
Woke up..got out of bed..dragged a comb across my head..
just a day in the life..
Add a dog and a broke down truck and we got a country song!
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:45:15am |
re: #370 PT Barnum
Woke up..got out of bed..dragged a comb across my head..
just a day in the life..
My first thought was of the Beattles but, I'll go with my second thought.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:45:16am |
re: #365 cliffster
He is. He's freaking brilliant. But, gets a bit out of control.
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soap_man Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:46:19am |
re: #370 PT Barnum
Woke up..got out of bed..dragged a comb across my head..
just a day in the life..
The Dude: It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
Donny: I am the walrus.
The Dude: You know what I'm trying to say...
Donny: I am the walrus.
Walter Sobchak: That fucking bitch...
The Dude: Oh yeah!
Donny: I am the walrus.
Walter Sobchak: Shut the fuck up, Donny! V.I. Lenin. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov!
Donny: What the fuck is he talking about, Dude?
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Ojoe Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:46:26am |
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:47:14am |
Garth Brooks:
"I once made the mistake of saying that I thought that was the perfect country song. People wrote me letter s and stopped me on the street, and said `Garth, that isn't the perfect country song because it doesn't mention anything about prison, or trains, or rain, or my mother.' So I added a new verse to make it the perfect country song:
Well I was drunk,
the day my momma
got out of prison.
And I went to pick her up
in the cold cold rain
But before I could get there
she got run over by a damned ol' train!
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:47:25am |
re: #371 SteveC
Add a dog and a broke down truck and we got a country song!
Yes, and then you have to play it backwards.... you get your truck back, your job back, your wife back, and your hair back! /
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:48:36am |
re: #371 SteveC
Add a dog and a broke down truck and we got a country song!
I just got out of the joint today
My pickup was waiting outside..
Mama was crying.. My Dog was dying
Just got out of the joint today
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:48:44am |
Now that I took time to go back to the meltdown thread...WTF? Glad I left before it got heated...I cleaned out 3 levels of goblins. Not really any more productive use of my time, but certainly more enjoyable than that must have been.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:49:03am |
re: #379 iceweasel
Yes, and then you have to play it backwards... you get your truck back, your job back, your wife back, and your hair back! /
There's strange hidden messages in them there backard songs, ya know!
// Just sayin'
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:49:05am |
re: #377 Ojoe
San Gabriel Mountain Dawn; there is not as much snow. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.
Good morning all.
The sun's up already out there?
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:49:25am |
re: #378 SteveC
That'd be David Allen Coe. Although I'm sure DAC would love to have Garth's bank account
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:49:37am |
re: #378 SteveC
That ain't Garth. That's David Allen Coe!
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:50:09am |
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:50:18am |
re: #386 cliffster
That'd be David Allen Coe. Although I'm sure DAC would love to have Garth's bank account
WHOOPS! Sorry, David... *blush*
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:51:30am |
re: #373 MandyManners
My first thought was of the Beattles but, I'll go with my second thought.
[Video]
No it was the Beatles..A Day in the the Life from Sgt Peppers.
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SteveC Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:51:56am |
re: #378 SteveC
Garth BrooksDavid Allen Coe:"I once made the mistake of saying that I thought that was the perfect country song. People wrote me letter s and stopped me on the street, and said `
GarthDavid, that isn't the perfect country song because it doesn't mention anything about prison, or trains, or rain, or my mother.' So I added a new verse to make it the perfect country song:Well I was drunk,
the day my momma
got out of prison.And I went to pick her up
in the cold cold rainBut before I could get there
she got run over by a damned ol' train!
Better?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:52:52am |
re: #369 iceweasel
Ain't the "Fuck you" that gets to me, it's the feminine pejorative that gets to me.
Ain't never necessary, IMO.
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soap_man Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:53:11am |
re: #391 PT Barnum
No it was the Beatles..A Day in the the Life from Sgt Peppers.
[Video]
God I love that song.
Even if it was made by a bunch of fucking commies. ////
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:53:30am |
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:54:15am |
re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Name calling rarely is necessary...I'll admit to doing it on occasion, but if it's the only thing you have in your arsenal, it starts to get old very very fast.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:54:34am |
re: #391 PT Barnum
No it was the Beatles..A Day in the the Life from Sgt Peppers.
[Video]
Oh, I know. But, Superman opens up with that bit about waking up in the morning.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:55:23am |
re: #394 soap_man
Great tune...That, Good Day Sunshine, and Carry that Weight are my three favorite Beatles tunes.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:56:22am |
re: #397 PT Barnum
Name calling rarely is necessary...I'll admit to doing it on occasion, but if it's the only thing you have in your arsenal, it starts to get old very very fast.
Fuck you Bitch!
//
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:57:00am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:57:24am |
re: #401 MandyManners
Thanks. But, no thanks.
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 7:58:56am |
re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ain't the "Fuck you" that gets to me, it's the feminine pejorative that gets to me.
Ain't never necessary, IMO.
If I shout "fuck you!" to the refs on TV during a football game, that's different from me saying "fuck you" to my friend when he makes fun of my tee shot that just went into the lake. Both of which would be very different from me saying, "fuck you, bitch" for saying I need to pick my socks off the floor.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:00:00am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:00:48am |
re: #403 cliffster
It's a different animal altogether.
Everyone sez..."It's a different animal"...
Airplane! reference.
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:01:37am |
re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's a different animal altogether.
Everyone sez..."It's a different animal"...
Airplane! reference.
FBV, have you ever seen a grown man naked?
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:02:13am |
re: #403 cliffster
I kind a like it when Mrs. Barnum says Fuck You..but she asks it as a question...
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:02:36am |
re: #406 cliffster
Guess I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue!
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:04:12am |
re: #402 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thanks. But, no thanks.
Someone wants the villagers to turn out with pitchforks and torches.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:04:28am |
Does LVQ have some passion/anger control issues? It seems like he just can't seem to go very long without losing it..
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:04:55am |
re: #407 PT Barnum
I kind a like it when Mrs. Barnum says Fuck You..but she asks it as a question...
80% of communication is non-verbal
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:05:40am |
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:06:49am |
re: #392 SteveC
You, FBV, and cliffster all get updings anyway for mentioning the greatest country song of all time!
so says Coe, anyway.
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Soap_Man Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:07:36am |
TV is on in the background. Meet the Press is frustrating to watch these days. David Gregory is a weak host. I miss Russert....
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:08:38am |
re: #410 PT Barnum
Does LVQ have some passion/anger control issues? It seems like he just can't seem to go very long without losing it..
No, he doesn't.
He does lack patience, and I don't think he'll mind me saying that.
I humbly suggest reading SFZ's comments earlier in this thread on it.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:08:49am |
re: #414 Soap_Man
TV is on in the background. Meet the Press is frustrating to watch these days. David Gregory is a weak host. I miss Russert...
It's still a must see show every Sunday
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:09:36am |
re: #415 iceweasel
Fair enough...I haven't been reading him all that long, so I just wondered.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:11:31am |
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:12:14am |
re: #417 PT Barnum
Fair enough...I haven't been reading him all that long, so I just wondered.
Understandable in the circumstances.
The whole thread is vile and no one one acquitted themselves well, imo. I don't except myself from that, but I also avoided most of it until later.
IMO the worst day (and threads) I have ever seen here.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:12:35am |
Some people are just fucking Childish...Like me.. I'm getting my hair dyed Blue for SuperBowl week later today...Childish I say!!
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:12:49am |
re: #417 PT Barnum
He also got called a "Kapo", which is about the most insulting and reprehensible thing that you could call a Jew.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:13:22am |
re: #419 iceweasel
Generally, when I see stuff like that brewing I just leave, so as not to get drug into it...I can't control other people's posts, but I can control how I react to them...
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Soap_Man Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:13:46am |
re: #416 HoosierHoops
It's still a must see show every Sunday
It is, as it has the best guests of all the Sunday shows. But it has lost a little off its fastball, so to speak.
What was great about Russert is that he challenged everyone who walked on to the set. He wasn't perfect, but he always did his best to call people on their bullshit.
Gregory is too passive. Boehner was just on rattling off talking points. At no point did Gregory challenge anything he said. He's like one of those reporters that is nothing more than a glorified stenographer.
But you're right, I still watch every Sunday.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:14:12am |
re: #421 Obdicut
He also got called a "Kapo", which is about the most insulting and reprehensible thing that you could call a Jew.
Which is one reason, among many, that someone in the Wahhhhmbulance crying for people to 'look at the bottom comments!" is so very, very misleading.
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:14:29am |
re: #421 Obdicut
He also got called a "Kapo", which is about the most insulting and reprehensible thing that you could call a Jew.
I don't even know what that means. I thought that was something you put on a guitar.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:14:31am |
re: #422 PT Barnum
There's something I read in a Heinlein story that I try to keep in mind..
If someone calls you a name, and you aren't that thing, does it make it true?
If someone calls you a name, and you are that thing, does it make it any truer?
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:15:22am |
re: #421 Obdicut
He also got called a "Kapo", which is about the most insulting and reprehensible thing that you could call a Jew.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:16:08am |
re: #425 cliffster
It means a concentration camp prisoner, who, in return for small privileges, assisted the Nazis in keeping the camps functioning.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:16:19am |
re: #422 PT Barnum
Generally, when I see stuff like that brewing I just leave, so as not to get drug into it...I can't control other people's posts, but I can control how I react to them...
Yeah, i mentioned somewhere (possibly this thread) that all we can control is what we ourselves post-- and no one else is responsible for that.
Again, not pretending I'm guiltless on that score at all.
People need to own up to their own shit.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:16:31am |
re: #420 HoosierHoops
Some people are just fucking Childish...Like me.. I'm getting my hair dyed Blue for SuperBowl week later today...Childish I say!!
I'll be backing the Colts 'cause they have Peyton.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:17:09am |
re: #419 iceweasel
It is a shame. Everyone get's a bit daft on those things.
True story; when I was a kid, I got between two guys who were going at each other on a pile of gravel, I was holding them apart by their shirts... I had the crap beaten out of me with flung gravel and fists, because I was between them.
Decided that I was the dumb ass that day, and just decided to get out of the way and let folks duke it out.
I'll try a few kind words trying to diffuse a situation, but get out of the way of a fire-fight.
All of the flamers need to stop it. And, in my opinion? Everyone in these things is guilty.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:17:32am |
re: #427 MandyManners
That was him repeating the slur. This is the original:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:18:00am |
re: #428 Obdicut
It means a concentration camp prisoner, who, in return for small privileges, assisted the Nazis in keeping the camps functioning.
Pretty much the worst thing anyone could ever call someone who is Jewish.
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:18:35am |
re: #428 Obdicut
It means a concentration camp prisoner, who, in return for small privileges, assisted the Nazis in keeping the camps functioning.
just googled it. I wouldn't call a jewish dude that.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:18:59am |
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:19:24am |
re: #429 iceweasel
However, I do think there are people here who either have very short fuses or delight in baiting them.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:20:53am |
re: #432 Obdicut
That was him repeating the slur. This is the original:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I missed that one.
He didn't call him a Kapo. He said he was acting like one.
When The Kid is acting bratty, I'll tell him that he's acting like a brat. I don't call him a brat, though.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:21:39am |
re: #433 iceweasel
Pretty much the worst thing anyone could ever call someone who is Jewish.
Worse than Gentile?
/
Sister Mary Margaret, "Mary Catherine? What do you want to be when you grow up?"
Little Mary Catherine, "I'd like to be a prostitute."
Sister Mary Margaret, "You'd like to be a WHAT?"
Little Mary Catherine, "A prostitute."
Sister Mary Margaret, "Oh. Thank the Lord! I thought you said Protestant."
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:21:57am |
re: #437 MandyManners
A lot of people have difficulty differentiating between how they act and who they are however.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:22:45am |
re: #438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Worse than Gentile?
/Sister Mary Margaret, "Mary Catherine? What do you want to be when you grow up?"
Little Mary Catherine, "I'd like to be a prostitute."
Sister Mary Margaret, "You'd like to be a WHAT?"
Little Mary Catherine, "A prostitute."
Sister Mary Margaret, "Oh. Thank the Lord! I thought you said Protestant."
By the way, the word was celebrate!
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RogueOne Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:22:56am |
Ice,
I was reading a link about the Anne Frank controversy:
You Know Who Else Disapproved of Anne Frank’s Vagina? HITLER.
When I found something I didn't know. There are 3 versions of the diary:
Onstage: who censored Anne Frank?
However, according to according to Dineke Stam, an out lesbian who has worked at the Anne Frank House in Amsterdam for seven years, these rumors about Otto Frank are false. "It was actually Anne herself who did this," Stam explained in an exclusive interview in Holland. "While she was in hiding, Anne heard a 1944 radio broadcast by the exiled Dutch prime minister, who asked that people keep all their personal diaries and letters so that the world could get an impression of what life was really like for them during the war."Anne had already been writing in her red-and-gray diary since getting it as a gift on her 13th birthday," Stam says. "After the broadcast she got the idea to rewrite her diary with an eye toward publication one day."
What resulted are three versions of the diary. There's the original version, before Anne rewrote it. There's Anne's own edited version. And there's Otto Frank's restored version. Stam generously showed The Advocate copies of pages from all three versions. And, indeed, the original version, never published, contains the passage about Jacque's body. The version Anne edited makes no mention of Jacque's body. "She cut it out," Stam notes, pointing to Anne's own edited entry for January 5, 1944. Then there's the third version for the same day, restored by Otto Frank after Anne's death. "Otto put it back in because he thought, This is so essential for her."
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:23:11am |
re: #439 PT Barnum
A lot of people have difficulty differentiating between how they act and who they are however.
It's a fine point but, a point I see nonetheless.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:23:12am |
re: #431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It is a shame. Everyone get's a bit daft on those things.
True story; when I was a kid, I got between two guys who were going at each other on a pile of gravel, I was holding them apart by their shirts... I had the crap beaten out of me with flung gravel and fists, because I was between them.
Decided that I was the dumb ass that day, and just decided to get out of the way and let folks duke it out.
I'll try a few kind words trying to diffuse a situation, but get out of the way of a fire-fight.
All of the flamers need to stop it. And, in my opinion? Everyone in these things is guilty.
Oh, i'm a fan of kind words. And I'll stick up for anyone who's being wronged, regardless of how poorly they might have behaved towards me. A few examples of that just today on another thread, involving a troll slagging off someone you're a big fan of.
But when I was in school, the kids in younger grades used to come to me with their problems when someone was picking on them or beating them up-- because they all knew I'd kick the bully's ass.
plus ça change, etc.
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Soap_Man Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:24:20am |
re: #431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
True story; when I was a kid, I got between two guys who were going at each other on a pile of gravel, I was holding them apart by their shirts... I had the crap beaten out of me with flung gravel and fists, because I was between them.
A few weeks back, a friend (who is very smart and usually pretty calm, but has a short fuse) got into an argument at a bar. Me and another friend went to see what was going on, and he was arguing with seven guys. I'm not sure who started it, but I bet it was my friend.
I stepped in and tried to basically drag him out of the bar. The other guys seemed happy I was doing that, and it seems that they didn't want to fight but would if they had to (many were yelling that he needed to "get the fuck out"). He was resisting me, so I finally said "I'm asking you for the last time to walk away. If you don't, you're on your own." He finally listened to me.
Some people just like to start shit.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:24:42am |
re: #437 MandyManners
It's still incredibly and massively insulting and reprehensible to tell a Jew that he is acting like a Kapo. Unless that Jew is busy selling out other Jews to certain death in order to save his own skin, it's an outrageous thing to call a Jew.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:26:20am |
Good morning Lizards. Clear and cold. Time to go out shopping. Looks like the rest of this thread is going to be the minor chord finger-pointing version of the major chord thread last night that I fortunately missed.
Ciao!
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generalsparky Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:26:52am |
re: #437 MandyManners
I missed that one.
He didn't call him a Kapo. He said he was acting like one.
When The Kid is acting bratty, I'll tell him that he's acting like a brat. I don't call him a brat, though.
exactly. There is a difference but I have no dog in this hunt. I do know exactly who to avoid any sort of disagreement in opinion with now though. I have no desire to associate with crazies or meanies.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:26:52am |
Well..I'm gonna have to go get cleaned up here in a bit..have to go to my son's parochial school for some shindig...(We're not Catholic, but the local Catholic Elementary is much much better than the local public schools)
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:27:34am |
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:28:04am |
re: #443 iceweasel
Oh, i'm a fan of kind words. And I'll stick up for anyone who's being wronged, regardless of how poorly they might have behaved towards me. A few examples of that just today on another thread, involving a troll slagging off someone you're a big fan of.
But when I was in school, the kids in younger grades used to come to me with their problems when someone was picking on them or beating them up-- because they all knew I'd kick the bully's ass.
plus ça change, etc.
Note to self: 2 Jews go at it get out of the way...
As one who was married to a Jewish princess for years who had 5 brothers..
I always found the meanest thing I could say to a Jew was you're not very funny..
/Kidding..
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:28:08am |
re: #450 MandyManners
Knock Knock
Who's There
Sam and Janet
Sam and Janet Who?
Sam and Janet Evening.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:29:26am |
re: #451 HoosierHoops
A nun, a priest and a Rabbi walk into a bar. The bartender says "What is this, some kind of joke!?"
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:29:55am |
re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist
I wonder if that got hot enough for people to report the flames. I notice no deletions, so I guess the angriest posts stopped short of some line. But on other occasions I have sen CJ ask for it to end or he Just stops it.
Just learning here-Some embrace the fires some (like myself) step back, as I have adequate conflict in my real life.
Amusing. That flame war happened just as I was showing a friend around LGF. He does blog elsewhere (C&L) and lurks Kos. It was a little embarrassing as I had spoken to him of this blog as place of rare flames, a smarter than most community and a tight moderation regime. Then I showed him several threads, ran some music links. It's all good, I think one day we will see "kevpken" registered here.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:30:54am |
re: #450 MandyManners
The new one or the old one? The new one? blech!
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:30:59am |
re: #454 Rightwingconspirator
I read C&L and Balloon Juice, but this is the only place I actually post.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:32:07am |
re: #452 PT Barnum
FBV...I wondered how long it would take you to upding that..:)
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:33:04am |
re: #456 PT Barnum
I read C&L and Balloon Juice, but this is the only place I actually post.
Ditto.
This was definitely atypical, and extremely ugly.
re: #454 Rightwingconspirator
I wonder if that got hot enough for people to report the flames. I notice no deletions,.
Much of it happened after hours.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:34:58am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:35:02am |
re: #453 PT Barnum
This one is offensive, but funny in context of the movie (Gran Torino):
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:35:06am |
re: #458 iceweasel
I see that. Is that the kind of thing that gets reported "I" or was it not quite at that level?
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:35:20am |
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Soap_Man Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:35:25am |
re: #451 HoosierHoops
I always found the meanest thing I could say to a Jew was you're not very funny..
/Kidding..
To quote one of my favorite shows, King of the Hill: (They are discussing Hank's mom's new boyfriend, Gary Kasner.)
Dale: Kasner? Is that Italian?
Hill: No, Dale, it's Jewish.
Dale: So, he's Jewish?
Hank: Yes, Dale, he's Jewish.
(long pause)
Bill: Is he funny?
Hank: I haven't heard him say anything funny.
Bill: Seinfeld's funny.
Hank: Seinfeld's funnier than Gary.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:35:27am |
re: #461 Rightwingconspirator
PIMF reported "!"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:35:49am |
re: #457 PT Barnum
The jokes are too long to post, so, I'll post the punchline to my two favorite lyric pun jokes.
1. "PARDON ME ROY, IS THAT THE CAT THAT CHEWED YER NEW SHOES"
AND
2. "I LEFT MY HAAARP... IN SAM CLAM'S DISCOOO"
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:36:38am |
re: #458 iceweasel
Actually, LGF reminds me of a BBS I was part of back in the late 80s. We had liberals, libertarians. Limbaugh Conservatives..and we all got along great. Had a few parties in fact. Had one called Turkeyfest where we showed tapes of the worst movies we could find. Just a great bunch and we had a ton of fun.
We got into some flamewars, but they were across WWIV (a network of BBS which shared threads) on a conspiracy thread. Got censured because we went overboard mocking one particularly odious poster who was really into the whole Bilderberg/Trilateral Commission/Illuminati thing.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:37:11am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:38:26am |
Here's another interesting terrorism case in the works....
U.S. citizen in CIA's cross hairs
The agency builds a case for putting Anwar al Awlaki, linked to the Ft. Hood shootings and Christmas bomb attempt, on its hit list. The complications involved are a window into a secretive process.
No U.S. citizen has ever been on the CIA's target list, which mainly names Al Qaeda leaders, including Osama bin Laden, according to current and former U.S. officials. But that is expected to change as CIA analysts compile a case against a Muslim cleric who was born in New Mexico but now resides in Yemen.
Anwar al Awlaki poses a dilemma for U.S. counter-terrorism officials. He is a U.S. citizen and until recently was mainly known as a preacher espousing radical Islamic views. But Awlaki's ties to November's shootings at Ft. Hood and the failed Christmas Day airline plot have helped convince CIA analysts that his role has changed.
....
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:39:30am |
Why did I even bother driving home last night? Here I am, back at work
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:39:31am |
re: #465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Reminds me of the joke about a guy who starts a new job and at lunch hour all the guys sit around shouting out numbers.
43!
Everybody laughs.
37!
Everybody laughs.
94
Nobody laughs.
The guy asks one of his coworkers what's going on.
"Well we all know the same jokes, so we just shout out the numbers instead."
"But I noticed nobody laughed at 94?"
"Oh, that's Johnson, he just can't pull off a Yiddish accent."
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:40:17am |
re: #465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The jokes are too long to post, so, I'll post the punchline to my two favorite lyric pun jokes.
1. "PARDON ME ROY, IS THAT THE CAT THAT CHEWED YER NEW SHOES"
AND
2. "I LEFT MY HAAARP... IN SAM CLAM'S DISCOOO"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:40:26am |
re: #467 Obdicut
Pre-emptive Patton Oswalt ding.
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generalsparky Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:40:27am |
re: #451 HoosierHoops
Note to self: 2 Jews go at it get out of the way...
As one who was married to a Jewish princess for years who had 5 brothers..
I always found the meanest thing I could say to a Jew was you're not very funny..
/Kidding..
I agree with you. I also don't get in between two black people calling each other the "n" word either, but if it was a white person using the word towards a black person, I would be all over how wrong it was.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:40:59am |
re: #463 Soap_Man
Great episode. And Gary was played by Carl Reiner.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:41:03am |
re: #461 Rightwingconspirator
I see that. Is that the kind of thing that gets reported "I" or was it not quite at that level?
I think it's the worst thread and the worst day over all that I've ever seen here.
Yes, definitely hit the report button on all comments you think warrant it there. There are many.
There's a comment by me at the bottom where I offered to report myself if the person thought I was out of line. Don't except me if you're going through the thread, is what I'm saying.
I checked out for like 1000 of the comments. Too much.
But it's atypical, as I said.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:41:42am |
re: #465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
[Link: comics.com...]
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:42:40am |
re: #466 PT Barnum
That sounds lke fun, actually. :)
And you're way geekier than me in that timeframe. And I'm kinda supergeeky, about some things...
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:42:54am |
re: #468 Killgore Trout
Here's another interesting terrorism case in the works...
U.S. citizen in CIA's cross hairs
The agency builds a case for putting Anwar al Awlaki, linked to the Ft. Hood shootings and Christmas bomb attempt, on its hit list. The complications involved are a window into a secretive process.
He is the first U.S. citizen the spooks have ever targeted? Wow. I didn't know that.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:42:54am |
re: #468 Killgore Trout
Wow Kilgore. That is one eye opener!
Former officials involved in the program said it was handled with sober awareness of the stakes. All memos are circulated on paper, so those granting approval would "have to write their names in ink," said one former official. "It was a jarring thing, to sign off on people getting killed."
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:43:10am |
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:43:46am |
re: #468 Killgore Trout
No other Americans were or are on the CIA hitlist? Adam Gadahn? I would put Awlaki in the same class as Gadahn; he's a traitor for working in concert with al Qaeda as one of their recruiters and ideologues. If he dies in an airstrike, I wouldn't shed a tear; if he gets captured and put on trial, I wouldn't complain either - treason is a death penalty offense.
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:46:01am |
Gibbs: We'll execute KSM after the trial - we just have to figure out where that pesky trial will take place.
Accused Sept. 11 plotter Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is likely to be executed after being tried and convicted, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Sunday.Gibbs spoke on CNN's "State of the Union." The Obama administration has begun looking for places other than the heart of New York City to prosecute Mohammed and four alleged co-conspirators in the face of fierce criticism tied to security and costs.
Presidential adviser David Axelrod says the Obama administration hasn't decided where it will try Mohammed.
Oh, the Administration decided - it was going to be in the SDNY at the federal courthouse in Lower Manhattan until the local community got pissed - let their representatives and the mayor know, and they put the kibosh on it. Now, they've got some alternative locations in mind, but all this could have been avoided if the Administration simply utilized the tribuanls at its disposal, just as it said it would do in other cases.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:46:53am |
re: #482 lawhawk
And a hypocritical one, at that. From Wiki:
Al-Awlaki was arrested in San Diego in August 1996 and in April 1997 for soliciting prostitutes.[17][30][31][32] In the first instance, he was allowed to plead guilty to a lesser charge on condition of entering an AIDS education program and paying $400 in fines and restitution.[32] The second time, he pleaded guilty to soliciting a prostitute, and was sentenced to three years' probation, fined $240, and ordered to perform 12 days of community service.[32]
That doesn't sound very holy to me.
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:47:31am |
On the other hand, the bread is done, and it's yummy.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:48:05am |
re: #478 iceweasel
He's a very geeky guy
still living with his mother
He won't come out of the basement
so he'll never have a lover
Super Geek Super Geek
He's super geeky
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:48:05am |
re: #483 lawhawk
Ain't that like jury tampering or something?
Couldn't even a crappy lawyer make some inroads with a mis-trial request?
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:48:41am |
re: #484 Obdicut
Heh. And Awlaki isn't alone in going that route either... a couple of the 9/11 hijackers went to strip clubs before commencing the deadliest terror attacks in history.
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tradewind Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:49:05am |
It's pretty funny to watch David Axelrod give as his only defense for putting KSM on trial in Manhattan ' The Bushies Did It'..... when his constant meme has been ' We're Not the Bushies'.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:49:10am |
re: #483 lawhawk
Gibbs: We'll execute KSM after the trial - we just have to figure out where that pesky trial will take place.
Oh, the Administration decided - it was going to be in the SDNY at the federal courthouse in Lower Manhattan until the local community got pissed - let their representatives and the mayor know, and they put the kibosh on it. Now, they've got some alternative locations in mind, but all this could have been avoided if the Administration simply utilized the tribuanls at its disposal, just as it said it would do in other cases.
Up-ding.
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Soap_Man Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:49:31am |
re: #474 Mad Al-Jaffee
Great episode. And Gary was played by Carl Reiner.
Great show altogether. Whenever I hear about all this wingnut conspiracy theories (on the left and right), I wonder who in the hell would believe this shit. Then I think about Dale Gribble and realize that there are a lot of people out there just like him.
My personal favorite was when Dale thought Fidel Castro stole his lawnmower, or when they were arguing about gun rights and he said "Phht, guns don't kill people, the government does."
That man would love Tea Parties.
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albusteve Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:49:45am |
A leading source added that male bombers would have the explosive secreted near their appendix or in their buttocks, while females would have the material placed inside their breasts in the same way as figure-enhancing implants.
here it comes
Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:49:56am |
re: #483 lawhawk
Speaking of hit lists and killing leaders
Report: Pakistani Taliban leader killed
[Link: edition.cnn.com...]
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tradewind Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:49:58am |
One great reason to use Gitmo as the Supertrial location:
The press would really hate it.//
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:51:01am |
re: #487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ain't that like jury tampering or something?
Couldn't even a crappy lawyer make some inroads with a mis-trial request?
Jury tampering?
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:51:01am |
re: #484 Obdicut
If it's good enough for Jimmy Swaggart...
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albusteve Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:51:25am |
re: #489 tradewind
It's pretty funny to watch David Axelrod give as his only defense for putting KSM on trial in Manhattan ' The Bushies Did It'... when his constant meme has been ' We're Not the Bushies'.
Holders explanation was so convoluted, it was hardly readable....dopes, all of them
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:51:41am |
re: #475 iceweasel
I have used that thing once or twice and that pertained to threats. What I did to some degree is go through and upding the calls for calm. By now or as soon as CJ gets up and working the blog, he will see the flames. Apart from that as a relative new guy here I may be one of the last guys to use it. Once a post literally went away as I hit the button, and ugly insulting flounce. I laughed at myself for being late.
Well heck it's a fine Sunday morning, and enough about all that mess. How ya doing anyway!
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Semper Fi Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:51:47am |
Good morning, Lizard Nation
It's gorgeous today. Stayed up to the wee hours this morning. Was reading a current book and generally taking small breaks to follow LGF. I wish all of you the best sunday possible.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:52:03am |
re: #495 MandyManners
Well, the jury pool is certainly tainted when the POTUS says, we'll try him and find him guilty... that's what I meant...
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:52:16am |
re: #487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ain't that like jury tampering or something?
Couldn't even a crappy lawyer make some inroads with a mis-trial request?
Thats why I chuckeled when they were saying the trial is expected to last 2-3 years
Yes ,, the TRIAL may take that long,, but the appeals may be endless!
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:52:41am |
re: #487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It wouldn't be the first time the President or his Administration made statements that would affect a potential jury pool. The President potentially prejudiced the jury pool with statements made when the announcement to hold the trial in NYC was originally made in November.
It's yet another unforced error and while the NYT is doing its best to try and blame the Bush Administration for the hard decisions to dispense with the detainees at Gitmo, these issues could have been resolved using the methods developed by Congress and the President and the Courts during the Bush Administration - the tribunal system.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:53:11am |
re: #500 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, the jury pool is certainly tainted when the POTUS says, we'll try him and find him guilty... that's what I meant...
Ah. Gotcha'. I wonder about that, too.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:54:06am |
re: #503 lawhawk
It wouldn't be the first time the President or his Administration made statements that would affect a potential jury pool. The President potentially prejudiced the jury pool with statements made when the announcement to hold the trial in NYC was originally made in November.
It's yet another unforced error and while the NYT is doing its best to try and blame the Bush Administration for the hard decisions to dispense with the detainees at Gitmo, these issues could have been resolved using the methods developed by Congress and the President and the Courts during the Bush Administration - the tribunal system.
BHO and Holder are turning this into a cluster-fuck.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:54:07am |
re: #479 MandyManners
He is the first U.S. citizen the spooks have ever targeted? Wow. I didn't know that.
Yeah, I thought for sure Adam Gadahn would have been on the list but he's just a propaganda guy and not involved in operations so he doesn't qualify.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:54:27am |
re: #502 Rightwingconspirator
One of these days I'll finish the lyrics...I have a lot of projects I've started, but only a few that I've gotten around to wrapping up.
4 plays (a readers theatre, two comedies, and a musical), a novel, and I don't know how many poems, although the poems are the ones I usually manage to finish because I can do them in one short session.
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:54:37am |
re: #500 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, the jury pool is certainly tainted when the POTUS says, we'll try him and find him guilty... that's what I meant...
"We'll give that bastard a fair trial before we hang him"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:55:19am |
re: #507 PT Barnum
There once was a caveman named Dave....
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tradewind Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:55:21am |
re: #487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Are you talking about poisoning the potential juror pool? Because with a case like this one, it's pretty much dosed already.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:55:34am |
re: #482 lawhawk
No other Americans were or are on the CIA hitlist? Adam Gadahn? I would put Awlaki in the same class as Gadahn; he's a traitor for working in concert with al Qaeda as one of their recruiters and ideologues. If he dies in an airstrike, I wouldn't shed a tear; if he gets captured and put on trial, I wouldn't complain either - treason is a death penalty offense.
I get the impression that those are the rules for the CIA to act without permission. I think to add Gadahn would require Presidential approval.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:55:51am |
re: #510 tradewind
You mean a jury trial would be difficult anyway?
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Soap_Man Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:55:53am |
An open question for any of the tech savvy lizards:
I have a MacBook Pro. Twice this morning, the mouse pad thing suddenly stopped working. I turned off the computer and it worked again, only to stop about 30 minutes later. The keyboard still worked, but I couldn't move the cursor or click on anything.
Anybody run into this problem before?
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:56:17am |
re: #506 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I thought for sure Adam Gadahn would have been on the list but he's just a propaganda guy and not involved in operations so he doesn't qualify.
Does aid and comfort count for anything?
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:56:19am |
re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There once was a man from Peru
who had never learned how to screw
He hired a tutor
but the tutor was neuter
so he never did learn what to do.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:56:50am |
re: #482 lawhawk
No other Americans were or are on the CIA hitlist? Adam Gadahn? I would put Awlaki in the same class as Gadahn; he's a traitor for working in concert with al Qaeda as one of their recruiters and ideologues. If he dies in an airstrike, I wouldn't shed a tear; if he gets captured and put on trial, I wouldn't complain either - treason is a death penalty offense.
Have either of these clowns had a trial?
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:56:57am |
re: #513 Soap_Man
An open question for any of the tech savvy lizards:
I have a MacBook Pro. Twice this morning, the mouse pad thing suddenly stopped working. I turned off the computer and it worked again, only to stop about 30 minutes later. The keyboard still worked, but I couldn't move the cursor or click on anything.
Anybody run into this problem before?
SHOOT YER COMPUTER.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:57:16am |
Well I better get going....take care all...bbl...
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:57:54am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:57:56am |
re: #514 MandyManners
Does aid and comfort count for anything?
It would certainly get him a trial if he's captured but apparently it's not enough to order a missile strike.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:58:39am |
re: #515 PT Barnum
There once was a man from Peru
who had never learned how to screw
He hired a tutor
but the tutor was neuter
so he never did learn what to do.
*shakes head*
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:58:49am |
re: #520 Killgore Trout
It would certainly get him a trial if he's captured but apparently it's not enough to order a missile strike.
drone target the prick standing next to him and with luck he'll be "collateral damage"!
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:59:05am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:59:12am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:59:37am |
re: #520 Killgore Trout
It would certainly get him a trial if he's captured but apparently it's not enough to order a missile strike.
I wonder if he feels persecuted 'cause he's not important.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:59:37am |
re: #507 PT Barnum
You are one talented dude. I have zero skills in any of that. Hat tip.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 8:59:59am |
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:00:23am |
re: #488 lawhawk
Heh. And Awlaki isn't alone in going that route either... a couple of the 9/11 hijackers went to strip clubs before commencing the deadliest terror attacks in history.
He's not the only one either. The internet and journal writings of the Underpants Gnome Bomber also revealed a whole mess of confused feelings involving women and sexual frustration.
I read something recently linking young male jihadis to sexual frustration. I'm not linking it, because in my opinon the piece was shit (very poorly researched, and just generally crap) and was on a site I won't link, but I do think there is an important theme here, not exclusive to Islam:
Sexual frustration and the misogynistic attitudes of the extremist offshoots of religions make it easy for those in charge of those movements to find, radicalise, and recruit young men into violent action.
I think this serves both as a cause and a reason for successful recruitment for terrorist actions. I don't think it's been sufficiently looked at, and it should be. It's certainly also a motivating factor for some of the Army of God types here in the US as well-- amply shown in the documentary on the AoG that CJ posted a while ago.
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:02:00am |
I'm playing golf in 2 hours. It hasn't gotten over 40 degrees yet. Come on, sun, those clouds are no match for you...
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:02:52am |
re: #494 tradewind
One great reason to use Gitmo as the Supertrial location:
The press would really hate it.//
Last I heard, they are talking about Gitmo as a trial location. Not kidding.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:03:08am |
HUGE Bombing in Gaza *NEW* Cast Lead footage
The cameras is focused on the impact location so I assume something was going on there. Probably a missile launch site. Also notice the people running down off the ridge. They were up there watching something.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:03:23am |
re: #515 PT Barnum
There once was a man from Nantucket
Who kept all his cash in a bucket.
But his daughter, named Nan,
Ran away with a man
And as for the bucket, Nantucket.
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Digital Display Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:03:27am |
re: #529 cliffster
I'm playing golf in 2 hours. It hasn't gotten over 40 degrees yet. Come on, sun, those clouds are no match for you...
I hate you! I so want to play Golf...I can't wait till Springtime
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:05:52am |
re: #531 Killgore Trout
HUGE Bombing in Gaza *NEW* Cast Lead footage
[Video]
The cameras is focused on the impact location so I assume something was going on there. Probably a missile launch site. Also notice the people running down off the ridge. They were up there watching something.
Dershowitz has unleashed on Goldstone for the latter's report.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:05:55am |
re: #492 albusteve
There's a Nick Tosches novel about the mob and different factions over controlling the drug market globally. In one part a plane is taken down when smugglers are given ping pong balls, placed in condoms to swallow. They think they're swallowing drugs, but it's really an explosive on one half, a sealant and an acid on the other half that will eat through the sealant after a certain amount of time and detonate the explosive.
I'm surprised they haven't thought of something like that yet.
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:06:12am |
re: #531 Killgore Trout
I wouldn't say that those were huge and it sounds like they were missiles, not gravity bombs. That would probably put them as Maverick AGM-65s with 125 pound charges, which are optically guided missiles.
They were definitely aiming at something. And you're right - they had a crowd of onlookers who suddenly realized that the Israelis were firing back at the terrorists.
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albusteve Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:06:23am |
Camp Justice' is ready to roll....here's a look at the tribunal setup
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:06:28am |
re: #529 cliffster
I'm playing golf in 2 hours. It hasn't gotten over 40 degrees yet. Come on, sun, those clouds are no match for you...
When I lived in Boston a group of us would would go to Cape Cod every February for our 'winter golf carnival". There were two courses open year round we would play at (one on the afternoon we drove down, the other the next morning before heading home)
More often than not the course was somewhat covered with snow
Thank God for colored golf balls (and a flask of adult beverages)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:06:42am |
re: #532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There once was a man from Nantucket
Who kept all his cash in a bucket.
But his daughter, named Nan,
Ran away with a man
And as for the bucket, Nantucket.
But he followed the pair to Pawtucket,
The man and the girl with the bucket;
And he said to the man,
He was welcome to Nan,
But as for the bucket, Pawtucket.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:07:28am |
re: #528 iceweasel
Given that they blame Western civilization for depravity, and given that one of the major features of Western civilization when compared to fundamentalist Islam is the freedom of equality of women, it doesn't take much of a logical leap to reach the conclusion that the recruiters play off of both of those.
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:07:56am |
re: #534 MandyManners
Where to start with the Goldstone Report. It's so easily debunked on its face - where it ignored Hamas actions. It was so poorly researched and Hamas claims taken at face value and Israel's actions were scrutinized without any context to the situation.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:10:04am |
Update: Tea Party fallout over "proud racist" speech...
Whitman disavows "proud racist" councilman
Santa Clarita councilman has declared that he is a “proud racist.” But Meg Whitman, a Republican candidate for governor, is apparently not proud to have his endorsement.
After state Democrats called on her to address the remarks by Councilman Bob Kellar, Whitman’s campaign disavowed them today and removed his name from a lengthy list of supporters on her website.
"Bob Kellar's remarks stoke the worst type of political dialogue," campaign spokeswoman Sarah Pompei said in a statement. “Meg is running for governor to help bring Californians together for a common purpose. Mr. Kellar's comments are unacceptable. He has voluntarily ended his limited involvement with our campaign."
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abolitionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:11:17am |
re: #435 HoosierHoops
Holy Shit! It did get ugly last night...
There was a full moon, and it was aligned with Mars.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:11:57am |
re: #528 iceweasel
I lived for 10 years in the Gulf countries. All young Muslim males are sexually repressed or worse according to our standards, because they have essentially no contact with women other than their mothers or close family, except illicitly.
Also, while it has probably changed since the 70's there used to be a pretty easygoing attitude towards male/male sexuality, although I hesitate to call it homosexuality. Probably more like the attitude I read some kids today have, where they think oral sex is not really having sex.
For example, I recall one business dinner hosted by one of the leading business families for foreign businessmen that had a female dancer as the main show entertainment. Very slick and sexy, until the final move when the top clothing was whipped off, along with the wig to show we had been fascinated by a man, not a woman.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:12:12am |
re: #542 Killgore Trout
Update: Tea Party fallout over "proud racist" speech...
Whitman disavows "proud racist" councilman
Campaign spokesperson Sarah Pompei.....love that name!
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:12:24am |
re: #538 sattv4u2
There will be adult beverages involved today. This one's not going towards the handicap. shhhh, don't tell the USGA!
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:13:39am |
re: #516 Decatur Deb
Nope. Gadahn has been indicted in absentia on charges of treason.
Awlaki is not currently charged in the US for any specific crimes.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:14:14am |
re: #546 Naso Tang
I don't know if it's true, but I've heard in many Muslim countries you're not gay if you're the "pitcher" but you are if you're the "catcher."
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:14:24am |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:15:23am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:16:53am |
re: #537 albusteve
Looks like they're still thinking about NY....
White House still wants terror suspects tried in New York court
I think some mayor in upstate NY offered to host the trial. It's nice to see somebody in NY stand up against the terrorists. They could also probably move the trial to DC or Virginia pretty easily.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:17:04am |
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keloyd Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:17:13am |
re: #550 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't know if it's true, but I've heard in many Muslim countries you're not gay if you're the "pitcher" but you are if you're the "catcher."
The Romans had a similar attitude. Being the 'wife' was the role of a slave, a child born to the lower classes, or something to be deeply ashamed of if you were born into a good family. They did not tolerate being a 'sissy' or 'girly' or whatever politically correct term there may be for that. I can't think of one.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:17:49am |
re: #540 Obdicut
Given that they blame Western civilization for depravity, and given that one of the major features of Western civilization when compared to fundamentalist Islam is the freedom of equality of women, it doesn't take much of a logical leap to reach the conclusion that the recruiters play off of both of those.
Exactly. And I think we all knew this was true of Al-Q and so on. They certainly see the equality of women in western civ as a sign of decadence and decay, possibly the major sign- on a theoretical level, and preach it that way.
I don't think any one has done a proper study yet of how that motivates jihadis (and US AoG types like Roeder) to turn that, on an individual and personal level, into committing murders.
The specific psychological understanding of that connection (on an individual level) doesn't yet seem to have been studied in a thorough and systematic fashion.
I think it's a central and motivating factor in recruitment. I think we need to understand it better.
All these young guys we've been turning up are loners, who have expressly talked about their inability to find a 'proper' woman, and/or talked about their conflict with religion and sexual desire, and it's very obvious that this gives them some kind of impulse that can readily be channeled into violence.
I have a couple of links I think are useful-- i'll be back later with them.
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albusteve Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:18:16am |
more on the recovery...
The Troubled Assets Relief Program, known as TARP, has not addressed the problems that led to the last crisis and in some case those problems have festered and are a bigger threat than before, warned Neil Barofsky, the special inspector general at the Treasury Department.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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albusteve Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:19:29am |
re: #553 Killgore Trout
Looks like they're still thinking about NY...
White House still wants terror suspects tried in New York courtI think some mayor in upstate NY offered to host the trial. It's nice to see somebody in NY stand up against the terrorists. They could also probably move the trial to DC or Virginia pretty easily.
Governors Island was also mentioned this past week...I thought that was worth considering
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:19:33am |
re: #550 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't know if it's true, but I've heard in many Muslim countries you're not gay if you're the "pitcher" but you are if you're the "catcher."
Sorry, but I never delved that deep. :=)
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cliffster Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:19:52am |
gotta run. keep it real, keep it fun.. keep it real fun
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:19:55am |
re: #528 iceweasel
Got me thinking. The religious repression & absence of sex would (I speculate) be far more harmful than what the military on long deployment faces. With the first we have a deliberate dissonance between body and mind. In the latter its no dissonance just not so available. One can want and wish without guilt.
A poster here once said he wanted no women and no gays in his front line unit as on long lonely posting we wanted to be hundreds of miles from any/every possible temptation as he is married and wants to stay faithful. With full recognizance of his bodies insistence.
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tradewind Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:20:12am |
So much for the myth of the poor, downtrodden terrorist. If one can be nurtured here, it can happen anywhere, because let me tell ya.... Daphne is heaven.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:20:26am |
re: #550 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't know if it's true, but I've heard in many Muslim countries you're not gay if you're the "pitcher" but you are if you're the "catcher."
i don't know if it's true in Muslim countries, but there are various countries and communities represented within the US that also believe that-- and they aren't Muslim.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:20:42am |
re: #556 iceweasel
There's a great historical work waiting to be written about various cultures channeling their angry young men in various directions. It's one of the reasons I really do love the US; I feel like we channel it better than most, with the exception of the inner cities and the towns where nothing ever happens.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:20:54am |
re: #557 albusteve
"Even if TARP saved our financial system from driving off a cliff back in 2008, absent meaningful reform, we are still driving on the same winding mountain road, but this time in a faster car," Barofsky wrote.
That's why the next step needs to be financial reform. Very important.
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albusteve Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:21:38am |
re: #565 Killgore Trout
That's why the next step needs to be financial reform. Very important.
Ron Paul!
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:22:07am |
re: #553 Killgore Trout
Newburgh NY, which is where Stewart Airport/ AFB is located. West Point was also offered up as a location, along with Governor's Island in NY harbor. I would argue that other than Governor's Island, the other options would pose the same security costs and concerns to the local community and those two would pose venue questions.
The Administration would have been better served with holding the tribunals, but they chose to make a political statement with the choice of a trial by rebuking tribunals for these cases because that would be too much like what the Bush Administration sought to do. In their rush to do something different, they've made a mess of things - and are providing those detainees (and all the rest being held) with another round of legal arguments to demand trials rather than tribunals holding up the process even longer.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:22:34am |
re: #553 Killgore Trout
Looks like they're still thinking about NY...
White House still wants terror suspects tried in New York courtI think some mayor in upstate NY offered to host the trial. It's nice to see somebody in NY stand up against the terrorists. They could also probably move the trial to DC or Virginia pretty easily.
I believe that the choice of NYC was made largely because of it's security infrastructure, already in place to protect Wall Street and other juice targets, and well versed in hosting events of national importance. The police department receives special training and has far more resources devoted to such things than pretty much any other city.
Now that Schumer, et al, have insisted that the Feds pick up all the costs - even the baseline costs that the city would spend anyway, trial or not - the incentive to hold the trial there disappears. Might as well seek out another venue; since the Feds will wind up ponying up the costs anyway, there's no longer any financial advantage for New York.
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tradewind Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:22:53am |
re: #550 Mad Al-Jaffee
Someone said... maybe here?.... that the thinking among their men is ' women are for children, men are for fun'.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:23:42am |
re: #565 Killgore Trout
That's why the next step needs to be financial reform. Very important.
Reform, yes
Overhaul, not so much
For the most part, the system has served us very well for over two centuries. That stated, fine tuning is always in order
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abolitionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:23:58am |
re: #513 Soap_Man
An open question for any of the tech savvy lizards:
I have a MacBook Pro. Twice this morning, the mouse pad thing suddenly stopped working. I turned off the computer and it worked again, only to stop about 30 minutes later. The keyboard still worked, but I couldn't move the cursor or click on anything.
Anybody run into this problem before?
I suffer a similar annoyance with an Acer laptop running Vista 64. (More than one, actually.) The touchpad's scroll function quits working sometimes. It's always right after some online video was played. Nothing gets the scroll function back except a restart. (The associated driver is the latest available.) Did I mention it's annoying? Sorry I can't be more helpful.
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tradewind Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:24:11am |
re: #568 SixDegrees
If they're not going to move it to Gitmo, then put it on an AFB.
(Or Army, Navy, etc).
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:24:32am |
re: #561 Rightwingconspirator
I have a couple of links that are somewhat related to this, and I'm looking forward to discussing it with you more when I'm back.
Cheers!
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:25:50am |
re: #555 keloyd
The Romans had a similar attitude. Being the 'wife' was the role of a slave, a child born to the lower classes, or something to be deeply ashamed of if you were born into a good family. They did not tolerate being a 'sissy' or 'girly' or whatever politically correct term there may be for that. I can't think of one.
Hence the swiftboat slur on J. Caesar: "Every wife's husband, every husband's wife".
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:25:58am |
re: #571 abolitionist
I suffer a similar annoyance with an Acer laptop running Vista 64. (More than one, actually.) The touchpad's scroll function quits working sometimes. It's always right after some online video was played. Nothing gets the scroll function back except a restart. (The associated driver is the latest available.) Did I mention it's annoying? Sorry I can't be more helpful.
Just knowing someone is in the same "boat" probably makes him feel a tad better
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:26:57am |
re: #565 Killgore Trout
That's why the next step needs to be financial reform. Very important.
I agree, and I'm disappointed no such reform, or even realistic evaluation, has taken place yet.
And I don't expect anything meaningful for at least a year. Financial institutions contribute a LOT of money to candidates, and you won't see anyone biting that hand until after the midterms, at least. If even then.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:27:08am |
re: #565 Killgore Trout
What angers me is the original TARP went out at a famous 4 pages. Came back from the legislature as 400.
Billions of $ added, and yet 396 pages of inadequate regulation and oversight. As I recall every recession had some kind of deregulation or change to "fix" it or lessen the recession at hand.
Add these up and you get the regulations going back in now. We hope.
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keloyd Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:27:26am |
re: #564 Obdicut
I agree totally. Still, if we were living in the 'good' old days (in Arabia or Scotland or the African savannah), and we were surrounded by enemies, and conflict over scarce resources was a constant burden, then our culture would have to arrange to harness all that pent up energy to survive. It's why pre-Christian Rome did not allow soldiers to marry. Culture/traditions/religion that made your tribe more fierce would allow you to survive. The cultures that were laid back (like Tahiti) had better be somewhere on an island, protected from their enemies, in a climate that gives you plenty of food and water.
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lawhawk Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:27:33am |
re: #568 SixDegrees
There wasn't a financial advantage to holding it in NYC - just that the NYPD was supremely capable of providing security for such a case. The costs for security will be high anywhere the trial is held - and will tax the law enforcement in any of those communities far more than in NYC, where there are 40,000 police to handle things (LA has less than a 3d of the size). Manpower counts a great deal towards costs.
And the businesses near the courts would lose in a big way - with no-go zones affecting Chinatown and parts of the FiDi in Lower Manhattan, it would be a hit nearly as bad as the terror attacks in the first place where much of Lower Manhattan was a no-go zone and limited access. That meant that businesses that managed to hang on after the attacks would find themselves in a bind again because they wouldn't be able to get street traffic and pedestrian traffic because of all the closures and restrictions.
Those costs weren't going to be reimbursable. Only the security costs.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:29:14am |
re: #579 lawhawk
They should have the trial in Paris. :)
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:29:31am |
re: #572 tradewind
If they're not going to move it to Gitmo, then put it on an AFB.
(Or Army, Navy, etc).
Gitmo would be the obvious choice if a military venue is decided upon. It's pointless to fly the defendants to some other location in an identical venue. Silly, too.
If they insist on a civilian court, my choice would be for a small, isolated courthouse somewhere.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:29:42am |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:29:49am |
re: #579 lawhawk
There wasn't a financial advantage to holding it in NYC - just that the NYPD was supremely capable of providing security for such a case. The costs for security will be high anywhere the trial is held - and will tax the law enforcement in any of those communities far more than in NYC, where there are 40,000 police to handle things (LA has less than a 3d of the size). Manpower counts a great deal towards costs.
And the businesses near the courts would lose in a big way - with no-go zones affecting Chinatown and parts of the FiDi in Lower Manhattan, it would be a hit nearly as bad as the terror attacks in the first place where much of Lower Manhattan was a no-go zone and limited access. That meant that businesses that managed to hang on after the attacks would find themselves in a bind again because they wouldn't be able to get street traffic and pedestrian traffic because of all the closures and restrictions.
Those costs weren't going to be reimbursable. Only the security costs.
Not getting into all the other arguments, it did seem like a good idea to have it at the place of the crime. Very strong statement.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:31:25am |
re: #583 Stanley Sea
I don't disagree... but, so what? Logistics are impossibly difficult...
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:31:37am |
re: #578 keloyd
Meh. Even though technically Roman soldiers couldn't marry, they did have women that were pretty much their wives, and with whom they made complicated legal arrangements in their wills and otherwise, granting them property.
So they technically couldn't marry, but many were married in all but name. Many, of course, married these women as soon as they were out of the army.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:32:12am |
re: #579 lawhawk
There wasn't a financial advantage to holding it in NYC - just that the NYPD was supremely capable of providing security for such a case. The costs for security will be high anywhere the trial is held - and will tax the law enforcement in any of those communities far more than in NYC, where there are 40,000 police to handle things (LA has less than a 3d of the size). Manpower counts a great deal towards costs.
And the businesses near the courts would lose in a big way - with no-go zones affecting Chinatown and parts of the FiDi in Lower Manhattan, it would be a hit nearly as bad as the terror attacks in the first place where much of Lower Manhattan was a no-go zone and limited access. That meant that businesses that managed to hang on after the attacks would find themselves in a bind again because they wouldn't be able to get street traffic and pedestrian traffic because of all the closures and restrictions.
Those costs weren't going to be reimbursable. Only the security costs.
Correct. But it was the state's increasingly strident demands for even more reimbursement that took the deal off the table.
I agree about the spillover effect. See my last post, suggesting a location in a less densely populated area, if a trial in civilian court is the only answer.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:32:31am |
Afternoon, all. Anything upthread i need to go study before randomly inserting myself into someone's conversation?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:32:46am |
re: #581 SixDegrees
Gitmo would be the obvious choice if a military venue is decided upon. It's pointless to fly the defendants to some other location in an identical venue. Silly, too.
If they insist on a civilian court, my choice would be for a small, isolated courthouse somewhere.
That "somewhere" wouldn't be isolated for long. An army of media will set up there.
I agree that it should NOT be in a major metropolis and my vote is a (and always has been) military base regardless if they want to do the trial civil or tribunal.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:33:46am |
re: #587 Aceofwhat?
Afternoon, all. Anything upthread i need to go study before randomly inserting myself into someone's conversation?
Why start now !?!?!
/
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:34:10am |
re: #541 lawhawk
Where to start with the Goldstone Report. It's so easily debunked on its face - where it ignored Hamas actions. It was so poorly researched and Hamas claims taken at face value and Israel's actions were scrutinized without any context to the situation.
Rights groups are trying to get Hamas to submit to an inquiry.
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albusteve Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:34:13am |
re: #583 Stanley Sea
Not getting into all the other arguments, it did seem like a good idea to have it at the place of the crime. Very strong statement.
it's not about making statements, it's about getting the job done...these guys should already be history by a few years and the fact that they are sitting around getting fat on the taxpayers dime is an insult to all Americans...leave it to the feds to politicize it, nuance it, argue about it and talk it to death...so after all this time they can't even figure out where to hold a goddamn trial?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:34:49am |
re: #584 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I don't disagree... but, so what? Logistics are impossibly difficult...
I think we can handle it. Spend the $, whatever. Just do it and get it done with. I think the political arguing about the whole thing is taking our eye off the ball.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:36:21am |
re: #587 Aceofwhat?
Afternoon, all. Anything upthread i need to go study before randomly inserting myself into someone's conversation?
We're talking about gay Muslim terrorists.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:36:30am |
re: #585 Obdicut
Meh. Even though technically Roman soldiers couldn't marry, they did have women that were pretty much their wives, and with whom they made complicated legal arrangements in their wills and otherwise, granting them property.
So they technically couldn't marry, but many were married in all but name. Many, of course, married these women as soon as they were out of the army.
Much like "yobo" status in Eighth Army.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:37:00am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:37:43am |
re: #583 Stanley Sea
Not getting into all the other arguments, it did seem like a good idea to have it at the place of the crime. Very strong statement.
I agree but politics have elcipsed symbolism. The gop is proposing to but federal funding for all civilian trials of terrorists. It's never going to pass but I'm still very unhappy with that.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:38:34am |
Maybe these guys can team up with Texas!!
[Link: www.time.com...]
The Secessionist Campaign for the Republic of Vermont
Read more: [Link: www.time.com...]
A former Duke University economics professor, Naylor heads up the Second Vermont Republic, which he describes as "left-libertarian, anti-big government, anti-empire, antiwar, with small is beautiful as our guiding philosophy
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:39:23am |
re: #593 Mad Al-Jaffee
We're talking about gay Muslim terrorists.
A rare breed...the gaggle o' virgins just doesn't provide the same incentive in their case...
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:39:44am |
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:40:53am |
re: #596 Killgore Trout
I agree but politics have elcipsed symbolism. The gop is proposing to but federal funding for all civilian trials of terrorists. It's never going to pass but I'm still very unhappy with that.
Mostly agree, but I think this is a cultural, hence symbolic, struggle. Think of where we would be if we had dynamited Abu Ghraib on day one.
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tradewind Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:43:31am |
re: #599 MandyManners
Now there's a place they could hold that trial.....
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tradewind Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:44:25am |
re: #598 Aceofwhat?
In that case, send in The Virginians.
(Lee, Washington, and Jefferson. I'm sure the joke doesn't need repeating here).
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:44:42am |
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tradewind Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:45:27am |
re: #592 Stanley Sea
It's a billion bucks in NYC. There's just no need for that.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:46:49am |
Time for me to do laundry, go grocery shopping, think about what to make for dinner. Laterzds.
| 606 |
jotalot Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:46:55am |
just curious...how does one lie-in-wait on a blog?
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keloyd Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:47:02am |
Let me say as a Texan Republican, (for 3 generations, granddad voted against FDR all 4 times) we think Rick Perry and his secessionist talk is only for comedic effect. This guy has multi-hundred dollar haircuts like John Edwards and wears cufflinks 24/7. He is a preening dandy incompetent boob, and it bugs me a little that outsiders and MSNBC don't "get the joke". He's kind of a front man for others with real power. Southern governors generally and ours specifically have no power other than sort of a cheerleader to get big companies to move here. I cannot think of anything else the last 4 governors have done other than be a sort of chamber of commerce booster for the state.
Kay Bailey Hutchinson, an actual cheerleader when in college, should be good at being Governor.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:47:16am |
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tradewind Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:47:25am |
re: #580 Mad Al-Jaffee
Yeah... they have a long history of being able to accommodate the other side.///
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:47:26am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:47:44am |
re: #604 tradewind
It's a billion bucks in NYC. There's just no need for that.
Thats just actual cost
No clue as to the negative impact on local businesses that would be inside the 'protected areas"
Yes,,, some of NYC would benefit financially (influx of media means hotel rooms and restaurants get a boost) but an overall economic negative imho
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:48:29am |
re: #606 jotalot
just curious...how does one lie-in-wait on a blog?
STEP ONE ,,,, stare at the screen
STEP TWO ,,,,keep your fingers off the keyboard
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:48:47am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:49:23am |
re: #608 MandyManners
Her skin is soft like a baseball glove..
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:51:16am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:51:23am |
re: #597 sattv4u2
Vermont yapped about doing that right after the Revolutionary War.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:51:49am |
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tradewind Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:52:48am |
re: #590 MandyManners
That's like trying to get Pelosi to switch to deli and beer on her charter flights.//
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:52:56am |
re: #617 oaktree
Vermont yapped about doing that right after the Revolutionary War.
Well,, this guy (Naylor) is old (70), but he ain't THAT old!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:53:05am |
re: #604 tradewind
It's a billion bucks in NYC. There's just no need for that.
I get your point. We'll save the money by having it somewhere else. I just like the idea of having it where the horror occurred. That speaks huge to me, but I enjoy that kind of symbolism....
and I like to spend money freely/
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:53:16am |
re: #613 sattv4u2
STEP ONE ,,, stare at the screen
STEP TWO ,,,keep your fingers off the keyboard
You have to lay in a lot of diet soda and cheetos.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:53:55am |
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tradewind Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:58:52am |
re: #622 Stanley Sea
The victims' families may not want it rubbed so closely in their faces, and why make them spend their money for it?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:59:07am |
Any decent sports on the tube today?
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:59:32am |
re: #616 Aceofwhat?
How did they ever get through that without collapsing with laughter?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 9:59:54am |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:03:50am |
re: #627 MandyManners
How did they ever get through that without collapsing with laughter?
I have no idea. The first time i saw it, I only heard about one-third of it because of the paroxysms. It still gets me every time.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:04:34am |
re: #626 Stanley Sea
Any decent sports on the tube today?
Celtics-Lakers later. I have Federer-Murray playing in the background now, DVR'd. Don't tell HoosierHoops...
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:08:33am |
re: #629 Aceofwhat?
I have no idea. The first time i saw it, I only heard about one-third of it because of the paroxysms. It still gets me every time.
This is the first time I've seen that skit.
| 632 |
Sheila Broflovski Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:09:26am |
re: #513 Soap_Man
An open question for any of the tech savvy lizards:
I have a MacBook Pro. Twice this morning, the mouse pad thing suddenly stopped working. I turned off the computer and it worked again, only to stop about 30 minutes later. The keyboard still worked, but I couldn't move the cursor or click on anything.
Anybody run into this problem before?
You have a Mac and there are problems? I thought all Macs are utter perfection.
/dripping sarcasm from a PC user
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:09:59am |
re: #630 Aceofwhat?
Celtics-Lakers later. I have Federer-Murray playing in the background now, DVR'd. Don't tell HoosierHoops...
Thanks.
I will not divulge the results of the match you are watching.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:10:04am |
re: #630 Aceofwhat?
Celtics-Lakers later. I have Federer-Murray playing in the background now, DVR'd. Don't tell HoosierHoops...
The first thing The Kid did when he got up this morning was to check on Carmelo Anthony's injury to see if he'd play today.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:10:10am |
re: #10 Olsonist
Howard Zinn. I'm not sure how you can be a good American and not bash America. Abraham Lincoln must not have been a good American. Howard Zinn cared enough to make this a better place.
That's a matter of opinion.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:12:05am |
re: #633 Stanley Sea
Thanks.
I will not divulge the results of the match you are watching.
Appreciate it, but it's unnecessary. I don't know why i thought i could watch ESPN this morning without seeing the results in the crawler. It's ok - I watch because Federer's stroke is a thing of beauty as much as i watch for the suspense. I never thought Murray had much of a chance unless Federer was way off his game...
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:14:28am |
re: #634 MandyManners
The first thing The Kid did when he got up this morning was to check on Carmelo Anthony's injury to see if he'd play today.
I don't think Tony Parker is playing either, so there's a big absence on both sides.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:15:26am |
re: #638 Aceofwhat?
I don't think Tony Parker is playing either, so there's a big absence on both sides.
It's all a mystery to me.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:16:57am |
re: #630 Aceofwhat?
Celtics-Lakers later. I have Federer-Murray playing in the background now, DVR'd. Don't tell HoosierHoops...
I'm at work rolling regional commercials for Virginia Tech/ Miami HD
| 641 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:18:42am |
re: #640 sattv4u2
I'm at work rolling regional commercials for Virginia Tech/ Miami HD
Ah, the battle of the Barely Relevant. It's a much better football game than basketball game...
Sigh. I miss college football already.
| 642 |
The Sanity Inspector Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:19:53am |
It's not power chord-y enough in here...
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:20:23am |
re: #641 Aceofwhat?
Ah, the battle of the Barely Relevant. It's a much better football game than basketball game...
Sigh. I miss college football already.
True ,, but we do the SEDC and ACC, so I get to see some good games/ teams
(Duke ,, UNC ,,, etc for bball ,,,, Florida, LSU, et al for football)
| 645 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:20:41am |
re: #643 sattv4u2
True ,, but we do the SE
DC and ACC, so I get to see some good games/ teams(Duke ,, UNC ,,, etc for bball ,,, Florida, LSU, et al for football)
pimf
| 646 |
rwmofo Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:21:11am |
Hey kids. Anyone ever heard of McSpiff? He's cycling through the "Weatherman" thread furiously down-dinging anyone who disagrees with LVQ (for whom he's got a big barrel of love).
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:21:41am |
re: #639 MandyManners
I'm waiting for the NBA to just make dribbling the ball totally optional.
Watching ice hockey myself. Much more interesting at the pro level than basketball in my opinion.
| 648 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:21:58am |
re: #646 rwmofo
Hey kids. Anyone ever heard of McSpiff? He's cycling through the "Weatherman" thread furiously down-dinging anyone who disagrees with LVQ (for whom he's got a big barrel of love).
Oy.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:22:11am |
re: #638 Aceofwhat?
I don't think Tony Parker is playing either, so there's a big absence on both sides.
Parker plays for the Spurs. Kobe should be fine today (if that's who you were thinking of)
| 650 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:23:17am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:23:51am |
re: #646 rwmofo
Hey kids. Anyone ever heard of McSpiff? He's cycling through the "Weatherman" thread furiously down-dinging anyone who disagrees with LVQ (for whom he's got a big barrel of love).
THE definition of someone with too much time on their hands!!
I can see up/downdinging a current thread post. I can even see adding a ding to a Top/Bottom 10 comment
But going to a DEAD thread ,,,,,,
I'd rather spend my time watching the dust bunnies gather under my chair
| 652 |
jaunte Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:24:59am |
China bugs and burgles Britain
...Written by MI5’s Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure, the 14-page “restricted” report describes how China has attacked UK defence, energy, communications and manufacturing companies in a concerted hacking campaign.It claims China has also gone much further, targeting the computer networks and email accounts of public relations companies and international law firms. “Any UK company might be at risk if it holds information which would benefit the Chinese,” the report says.
The explicit nature of the MI5 warning is likely to strain diplomatic ties between London and Beijing. Relations between the two countries were damaged last month after China’s decision to execute a mentally ill British man for alleged drug trafficking.
Earlier this month the United States demanded that China investigate a sophisticated hacking attack on Google and a further 30 American companies from Chinese soil...
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:25:12am |
re: #646 rwmofo
Hey kids. Anyone ever heard of McSpiff? He's cycling through the "Weatherman" thread furiously down-dinging anyone who disagrees with LVQ (for whom he's got a big barrel of love).
Right, because nothing adds logic and credence to a particular position like some little hunchbacked underling trolling through yesterday's debates with a red sharpie in their hand...
| 654 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:25:47am |
re: #649 Stanley Sea
Parker plays for the Spurs. Kobe should be fine today (if that's who you were thinking of)
The spurs play the nuggets, where the Kid was concerned about the health of Carmelo (who isn't playing, if memory serves).
| 655 |
sngnsgt Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:25:56am |
re: #650 Decatur Deb
...to the second inaugural address?
Nope, Countdown until Obama leaves (gets his ass booted out of) Office.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:27:04am |
re: #654 Aceofwhat?
The spurs play the nuggets, where the Kid was concerned about the health of Carmelo (who isn't playing, if memory serves).
I lack comprehension. Sorry.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:27:14am |
re: #652 jaunte
China bugs and burgles Britain
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
Buncha' fucking crooks.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:27:31am |
re: #647 oaktree
I'm waiting for the NBA to just make dribbling the ball totally optional.
Watching ice hockey myself. Much more interesting at the pro level than basketball in my opinion.
It's not that i have particular love for the game of basketball...but i think that as a whole, the most elite group of athletes on the planet are in the NBA. And i occasionally like to watch inhuman displays of athleticism. But that's about my only interest.
| 659 |
The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:27:32am |
re: #646 rwmofo
Hey kids. Anyone ever heard of McSpiff? He's cycling through the "Weatherman" thread furiously down-dinging anyone who disagrees with LVQ (for whom he's got a big barrel of love).
You bet I have heard of him. So lovely to see him back, at last.
And what a dishonest characterisation of what he's doing on that thread.
You left out all the people he's updinging. And left out that he's updinging far more than he is downdinging.
I'm sure you just made a mistake there somehow though. Surely you wouldn't deliberately misrepresent his activities there.
| 660 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:28:19am |
Re-run of Miss America is on TLC. I don't think they've done the swim-suit bit yet.
| 661 |
jaunte Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:28:39am |
re: #657 MandyManners
Note this bit:
Last year a report by Whitehall’s joint intelligence committee said China may be capable of shutting down critical services such as power, food and water supplies.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:29:47am |
re: #653 Aceofwhat?
Right, because nothing adds logic and credence to a particular position like some little hunchbacked underling trolling through yesterday's debates with a red sharpie in their hand...
Yes, but that isn't what he's doing.
And he isn't a 'troll'.
I'm sure it's just an honest mistake that some people are saying that, though.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:30:08am |
re: #661 jaunte
But, BHO admires their infrastructure.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:30:20am |
re: #657 MandyManners
Buncha' fucking crooks.
Honestly. If we're going to let them get away with the bald-faced lies about this stuff not originating on their soil, then what's stopping us from pulling the same crap?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:30:39am |
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rwmofo Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:31:03am |
re: #659 iceweasel
You bet I have heard of him. So lovely to see him back, at last.
And what a dishonest characterisation of what he's doing on that thread.
You left out all the people he's updinging. And left out that he's updinging far more than he is downdinging.
I'm sure you just made a mistake there somehow though. Surely you wouldn't deliberately misrepresent his activities there.
I'm not misrepresenting anything. Have a look. He's still at it. Oh, one of your friends apparently. I don't remember seeing his name before and thought it was interesting that someone could dish out so many dings without commenting.
| 668 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:31:21am |
I don't think it's fair to criticize dinging. It's a feature of the blog to be used. Whenever you feel like it! Hell!
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:31:49am |
re: #665 Aceofwhat?
Honestly. If we're going to let them get away with the bald-faced lies about this stuff not originating on their soil, then what's stopping us from pulling the same crap?
Because we're decent.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:32:11am |
| 671 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:32:19am |
re: #663 iceweasel
Yes, but that isn't what he's doing.
And he isn't a 'troll'.
I'm sure it's just an honest mistake that some people are saying that, though.
ok, i'll go see for myself.
note, however, the distinction between trolling (verb) and troll (noun). i chose my words carefully. one can act trollish without having fully changed their appearance...
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:32:52am |
re: #659 iceweasel
In that McSpiff is upding comments, does that negate what rwmfo stated? (furiously down-dinging anyone who disagrees with LVQ)
Could McSpiff be doing both?
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:34:12am |
re: #668 Stanley Sea
I don't think it's fair to criticize dinging. It's a feature of the blog to be used. Whenever you feel like it! Hell!
On the other hand, i've found that most here use the downding sparingly, so there's no harm in making mention of someone who spreads it like govt cheese (if that's in fact what he's doing).
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:35:03am |
re: #667 rwmofo
I'm not misrepresenting anything.
Yes, you are.
re: #667 rwmofo
I don't remember seeing his name before and thought it was interesting that someone could dish out so many dings without commenting.
And yet you thought it was ok to call the villagers and round up pitchforks and torches-- when simply checking 'recent comments' in his avatar, or indeed telling the truth about what he's updinging and downdinging, would have shown you were....full of shit. Mistaken.
I thought that was interesting, so I commented on it. Feel free to downding me.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:35:24am |
re: #669 MandyManners
Because we're decent.
"A liberal is a person too broadminded to take their own side in a quarrel."
name that poet
| 676 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:35:50am |
Time to call the waaahmmmbulance again?
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:36:07am |
re: #675 Aceofwhat?
"A liberal is a person too broadminded to take their own side in a quarrel."
name that poet
Churchill?
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:36:30am |
re: #671 Aceofwhat?
ok, i'll go see for myself.
note, however, the distinction between trolling (verb) and troll (noun). i chose my words carefully. one can act trollish without having fully changed their appearance...
Log into spy and you can see for yourself that he's updinging way more than he is downdinging.
And checking his recents comments will also show that someone is lying about him 'not commenting'.
| 679 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:37:08am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:38:17am |
re: #675 Aceofwhat?
"A liberal is a person too broadminded to take their own side in a quarrel."
name that poet
Oh. A poet.
Hmmm.
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rwmofo Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:38:19am |
re: #674 iceweasel
And yet you thought it was ok to call the villagers and round up pitchforks and torches-- when simply checking 'recent comments' in his avatar, or indeed telling the truth about what he's updinging and downdinging, would have shown you were...
full of shit.Mistaken.I thought that was interesting, so I commented on it. Feel free to downding me.
I'll pass now because I bet that you're going to provide more reasons than this particular instance.
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:38:32am |
re: #676 MandyManners
Time to call the waaahmmmbulance again?
So, it's done with you?
I thought you might need a few more runs with it today-- like earlier today, when your last demand that a poster be pilloried didn't work out so well for you.
| 683 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:38:51am |
| 685 |
jotalot Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:39:13am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:39:32am |
Well, a decent poet wouldn't make that mistake, either.
| 687 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:39:39am |
re: #679 MandyManners
No. He would never screw up the pronoun.
How 'bout a CONnoun!?!?
| 688 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:39:54am |
| 689 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:40:07am |
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:40:14am |
re: #681 rwmofo
I'll pass now because I bet that you're going to provide more reasons than this particular instance.
If by that you mean more reasons why you're wrong, why yes!
Or if yoy mean, more opportunities for you to downding me for proving you wrong, the answer is also yes.
| 692 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:40:31am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:41:04am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:41:57am |
I wonder how much money it takes to make it to this pageant.
| 696 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:43:02am |
re: #695 Obdicut
Really complicated jogging.
I wanna' see you put on one of those and strut your stuff down that stage.
| 697 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:43:31am |
re: #668 Stanley Sea
I don't think it's fair to criticize dinging. It's a feature of the blog to be used. Whenever you feel like it! Hell!
How you feel may however piss someone else off nicely. I don't use it (down) much, but it really pisses me off when someone is in the conversation, but their words are so feeble they have to accentuate them with downdings.
As far as I'm concerned it is to be used when a comment is so piss poor it doesn't warrant an answer.
| 698 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:44:09am |
re: #686 MandyManners
Well, a decent poet wouldn't make that mistake, either.
It's my fault, i probably screwed up the quote a little bit.
| 699 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:44:14am |
| 702 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:46:24am |
re: #698 Aceofwhat?
It's my fault, i probably screwed up the quote a little bit.
That's okay. It made me think.
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MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:46:38am |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:46:46am |
re: #697 Naso Tang
How you feel may however piss someone else off nicely. I don't use it (down) much, but it really pisses me off when someone is in the conversation, but their words are so feeble they have to accentuate them with downdings.
As far as I'm concerned it is to be used when a comment is so piss poor it doesn't warrant an answer.
Well, then that person is pissed, and holds a grudge, and the battle begins!
People make good comments, people make bad comments, ding as you wish, whenever you wish. It's not a big deal to moi. I react to the urge to curtail people's right to ding.
| 705 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:47:10am |
| 706 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:47:36am |
| 707 |
Ojoe Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:48:31am |
1. I think Upton Sinclair is a weenie, after reading that quote.
2. I solemnly cures the financial, political and media elite of this country. (USA)
3. Good morning.
| 708 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:48:31am |
| 709 |
The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:48:49am |
re: #699 sattv4u2
re: #659 iceweasel
Do me a favor. When a thread is all happy and light hearted, don't post something you know will be inflammatory
re: #659 iceweasel
Do me a favor ,, learn to ignore
(off my soap box)
I think that's a fabulous idea.
For example, why don't we all call out liars who post inflammatory shit about newer commenters?
You missed a chance there.
Until you start doing that, I don't think you get to pretend I posted something 'inflammatory', merely for calling out bullshit when i see it.
| 710 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:49:35am |
| 711 |
Ojoe Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:49:49am |
| 712 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:50:14am |
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:50:44am |
re: #707 Ojoe
1. I think Upton Sinclair is a weenie, after reading that quote.
2. I solemnly cures the financial, political and media elite of this country. (USA)
3. Good morning.
Unless you're an exorcist or a shrink, you want "curse".
Morning.
| 714 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:50:52am |
| 715 |
Ojoe Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:51:12am |
re: #709 iceweasel
Anything can happen on a thread, that is what makes LGF interesting.
| 716 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:51:15am |
re: #678 iceweasel
Log into spy and you can see for yourself that he's updinging way more than he is downdinging.
And checking his recents comments will also show that someone is lying about him 'not commenting'.
Fine. He didn't go back to the thread i was on with Ludwig, anyway. Either way it's not worth this much energy. At best it's a harmless albeit slightly weird activity given that (to my knowledge) most lizards tend to ding the posts that they're on and leave the older ones be...and at worst it's an individual who can't hang with the big boys when the topic is hot.
i'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume the former. still, why does he need you to rush here to his defense with elbows a-flarin'? if he's grown-up enough to cast judgments on stale threads, he's big enough to peek in and explain himself.
| 717 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:51:38am |
re: #708 Naso Tang
Just peachy hon. How's your dinger today?
Terrible. My buttons drop off the page whenever I either post or click on the "new comments" button.
| 719 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:52:03am |
| 720 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:52:31am |
re: #711 Ojoe
"curse" ignore the typo please. Thank you.
PIMF
First post...don't mention it! gotta work out the kinks...
| 721 |
Ojoe Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:52:39am |
A round of curses for the sons a bitches.
I'm buying.
| 722 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:53:34am |
re: #717 MandyManners
Terrible. My buttons drop off the page whenever I either post or click on the "new comments" button.
They're only rated for a million cycles.
| 723 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:53:44am |
re: #704 Stanley Sea
Well, then that person is pissed, and holds a grudge, and the battle begins!
People make good comments, people make bad comments, ding as you wish, whenever you wish. It's not a big deal to moi. I react to the urge to curtail people's right to ding.
I don't curtail anything; I just have opinions on it. An upding is a simple thumbs up, a downding is a thumbs down, but when the latter is given along with a comment reply then it strikes me as more like a middle finger.
Other than with trolls I'm not here for fights.
| 724 |
jotalot Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:53:54am |
Here it is...the link to the bathing suit competition..
| 725 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:54:07am |
re: #709 iceweasel
I think that's a fabulous idea.
For example, why don't we all call out liars who post inflammatory shit about newer commenters?
You missed a chance there.
Until you start doing that, I don't think you get to pretend I posted something 'inflammatory', merely for calling out bullshit when i see it.
The 'inflammatory' was for rwmfo
the "ignore" was for you
And I'm not 'pretending" anything
I mentioned this same thing to Jimmah last night (re:ignore) I was TOLD I should tell the others that were 'involved'. I'm asking you, and I will ask another party when I "see" her'
Again, it's a request. Take it with as many grains of salt as you care.
| 726 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:54:08am |
| 727 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:55:13am |
re: #717 MandyManners
Terrible. My buttons drop off the page whenever I either post or click on the "new comments" button.
same here
| 728 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:55:27am |
re: #260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The scroll is on TV right now with lists of churches with cancelled services today. (a foot of snow will do that)...
Takes 25 minutes for the scroll to finish...
Why don't they just list the Churches open? There are three, I think.
Now that is a novelty to this Californian. If the church is closed, it's probably because a mudslide landed on it, and that will be clear when you show up.
:)
| 729 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:55:53am |
| 730 |
Ojoe Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:56:00am |
| 731 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:56:08am |
| 733 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:57:08am |
re: #731 MandyManners
Do they reappear if you refresh?
yes ,,, and it started last night on a differnt puter here at work
| 734 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:57:09am |
re: #281 Obdicut
And in news that will shock absolutely nobody, the TSA is fucking up again:
Derogatory 'Jeopardy' board launches TSA probe
That's the kind of mature judgment I've come to expect of the TSA.
God I feel safe. I feel so safe./
| 735 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:57:18am |
| 736 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:57:54am |
| 737 |
rwmofo Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:57:57am |
re: #724 jotalot
Here it is...the link to the bathing suit competition..
[Video]
I caught the last few minutes last night. The "How would you help to achieve world peace?" questions were read from index cards by the host. Maybe this was a change made due to the Perez Hilton question from last year - notwithstanding the fact that Rush was a judge this time.
| 738 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:58:07am |
re: #709 iceweasel
I think that's a fabulous idea.
For example, why don't we all call out liars who post inflammatory shit about newer commenters?
You missed a chance there.
Until you start doing that, I don't think you get to pretend I posted something 'inflammatory', merely for calling out bullshit when i see it.
A favorite tactic of mine is, knowing i'm right (for instance if i were in your shoes and was confident that he was updinging far more than down), to assume the "bullshit" was ignorant rather than willful bullshit.
Most times the poster accepts the correction and moves on, and we avoid all of this tenderness. Some times they don't, and then it's hammer time.
Just a thought. Every day is a new chance to assume the best intentions of those around us and make them prove us wrong.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:58:35am |
re: #723 Naso Tang
I don't curtail anything; I just have opinions on it. An upding is a simple thumbs up, a downding is a thumbs down, but when the latter is given along with a comment reply then it strikes me as more like a middle finger.
Other than with trolls I'm not here for fights.
Although I must be honest, I was shocked, I tell you SHOCKED when I received my first down ding.
| 740 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:58:38am |
| 742 |
MandyManners Sun, Jan 31, 2010 10:59:59am |
| 743 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:00:10am |
re: #323 MandyManners
Didn't HRC take the position of "safe but rare" during the campaign?
That was Bill's thing before it was Hillary's. "Safe, legal, and rare".
| 745 |
rwmofo Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:00:51am |
| 746 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:01:21am |
| 747 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:01:33am |
re: #742 MandyManners
On both computers?
yuppers ,,,, have it at home also (VISTA) but got home so late last night and came back in to work so eraly this a.m. I didn't check if it's happening on the home puter
| 749 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:01:53am |
brb ,,,, halftime ,,, gotta go make the money!!
| 750 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:02:02am |
re: #329 MandyManners
And a lot of guilt was dumped on the mom.
I read an article by a pediatrician who attended a lecture by Bruno Bettlheimer on autism and 'refrigerator mothers' back in the day. He says now, looking back, it shocks him to realize that there was no research behind it whatsoever, and they all nodded and accepted it.
| 751 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:02:17am |
| 752 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:02:46am |
re: #739 Stanley Sea
Although I must be honest, I was shocked, I tell you SHOCKED when I received my first down ding.
I learned that in a small bicker with Charles, the downdings are inevitable whether or not your point is valid!
Either way, I like to start off every day fresh. It's harder for me to enjoy today's impassioned debate if i'm still dealing with lingering feelings about yesterday's, n'est-ce pas?
| 754 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:03:48am |
re: #752 Aceofwhat?
I learned that in a small bicker with Charles, the downdings are inevitable whether or not your point is valid!
Either way, I like to start off every day fresh. It's harder for me to enjoy today's impassioned debate if i'm still dealing with lingering feelings about yesterday's, n'est-ce pas?
Ah yes, nothing like that fresh feeling.
Reminds me, it's shower time.
| 755 |
The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:06:18am |
re: #739 Stanley Sea
Although I must be honest, I was shocked, I tell you SHOCKED when I received my first down ding.
Don't forget that karma, positive or negative, is meaningless.
It's a smart webmasters tool to run an internet forum with a minimum of moderation-- because the community polices itself and will start commenting in a way to avoid negative karma.
In a healthy webcommunity, then positive and negative karma track something real. In every webcommunity with a karma function, karma functions to reflect and control the community ethos about what is an acceptable comment or position, what is not.
We have people with superhigh karma who have been banned. We have people who had extraordinarily low karma-- like avanti-- who are totally reasonable and still here.
No one needs to worry about karma( but everyone does, which is why it works--be advised that many people will totally freak out if they are downdinged). All anyone has to worry about is contributing.
| 757 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:07:01am |
| 758 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:07:58am |
re: #427 MandyManners
In my opinion, it's an insult waaay over the top to be traded between two guys fighting over...well, what heck they were fighting over remains somewhat unclear at this hour. But "Kapo" is too extreme.
| 759 |
Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:08:22am |
HI...Did I miss anything while I was gone?
| 760 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:08:53am |
re: #755 iceweasel
A sentiment with which i wholly agree. Although it does cast McSpiffy's activities in a slightly more comical light, not that there's anything wrong with that...
| 761 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:10:04am |
re: #754 Stanley Sea
Ah yes, nothing like that fresh feeling.
Reminds me, it's shower time.
One of the benefits of cyberspace...not having to share each other's malodors...
| 762 |
Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:10:22am |
re: #760 Aceofwhat?
I usually downding for people who are being uneccesarily provocative (i.e. trying to start a flamewar) and upding for witty, urbane comments, or things I really really agree with
| 763 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:10:38am |
re: #761 Aceofwhat?
One of the benefits of cyberspace...not having to share each other's malodors...
You notice I'm still here.
| 764 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:11:00am |
re: #758 SanFranciscoZionist
Yikes. i'm not touching that thread with a 10ft pole.
| 765 |
Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:11:28am |
re: #761 Aceofwhat?
That not quite fresh feeling...
If only the Axe commercials were real..I'd pay good money to have a bunch of bikini clad girls wash me like a car...or is that revealing too much?
\
| 766 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:11:41am |
re: #762 PT Barnum
I usually downding for people who are being uneccesarily provocative (i.e. trying to start a flamewar) and upding for witty, urbane comments, or things I really really agree with
Likewise, although i find a lot of posts to be witty, urbane, and agreeable.
| 767 |
Semper Fi Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:12:03am |
See ya later lizards. Gonna take advantage of this beautiful day. Hope yours is outstanding too.
| 768 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:12:08am |
re: #765 PT Barnum
That not quite fresh feeling...
If only the Axe commercials were real..I'd pay good money to have a bunch of bikini clad girls wash me like a car...or is that revealing too much?
Yes. You've revealed that you're normal//
| 769 |
Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:12:10am |
re: #766 Aceofwhat?
Me too..that's why I'm here..
| 770 |
Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:12:44am |
re: #768 Aceofwhat?
God forbid! How will I ever live that down?
| 771 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:14:25am |
re: #743 SanFranciscoZionist
That was Bill's thing before it was Hillary's. "Safe, legal, and rare".
One thing I agreed wholeheartedly with President Clinton on
| 772 |
Sheila Broflovski Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:15:41am |
re: #615 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Her skin is soft like a baseball glove..
Now ain't that too damn bad.
| 773 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:17:47am |
re: #569 tradewind
Someone said... maybe here?... that the thinking among their men is ' women are for children, men are for fun'.
There's a proverb to that effect from somewhere, but I think we make too much of it...sexuality within a culture is always really, really complicated.
I remember having a conversation with an older Muslim man, about beliefs about the afterlife. He explained, with a charming smile, that he thought he was going to have to pass on those famed houris, because the wife would object.
| 774 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:18:33am |
re: #574 Decatur Deb
Hence the swiftboat slur on J. Caesar: "Every wife's husband, every husband's wife".
Bisexual Military Geniuses of the World Unite!
| 775 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:20:00am |
re: #598 Aceofwhat?
A rare breed...the gaggle o' virgins just doesn't provide the same incentive in their case...
Different set of virgins, dont'cha know.
| 776 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:21:26am |
re: #632 Alouette
You have a Mac and there are problems? I thought all Macs are utter perfection.
/dripping sarcasm from a PC user
I'm bi-compterual.
| 777 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:22:15am |
re: #646 rwmofo
Hey kids. Anyone ever heard of McSpiff? He's cycling through the "Weatherman" thread furiously down-dinging anyone who disagrees with LVQ (for whom he's got a big barrel of love).
Yes. I know McSpiff. He posts here, and picks no fights.
| 778 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:22:51am |
re: #651 sattv4u2
THE definition of someone with too much time on their hands!!
I can see up/downdinging a current thread post. I can even see adding a ding to a Top/Bottom 10 comment
But going to a DEAD thread ,,,
I'd rather spend my time watching the dust bunnies gather under my chair
I sometimes read through good ones I missed, and I have to confess, sometimes up- and down-ding things I think were good or egregious.
| 779 |
Daniel Ballard Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:23:53am |
re: #668 Stanley Sea
I went through updinging calls for calm. That thread got toxic, and its a shame to see any of that carry forward.
| 780 |
Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:24:50am |
re: #775 SanFranciscoZionist
Different set of virgins, dont'cha know.
Huh. the Prophet was more broadminded than i realized!
| 781 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:26:24am |
re: #714 MandyManners
Aritcle says Baba Sali.
Thanks. I'm Ashkenazi, wasn't raised with him at all. He's the old guy in the funny hood you see on the wall at Mizrahi places. Extremely revered saint, and, I believe his shrine is also visited by some Muslims.
| 782 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:27:22am |
re: #776 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm bi-compterual.
We made my wife's laptop schizo-dosic. It boots to Vista or Ubuntu.
| 783 |
Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:28:04am |
re: #779 Rightwingconspirator
I went through updinging calls for calm. That thread got toxic, and its a shame to see any of that carry forward.
I'm not happy about what happened in that thread. And as I go through and read the reactions to what Ludwig posted, in order, and the responses he got, I do NOT think he's the one to blame for it.
Several people really have it in for him, and they attack instantly whenever he posts anything, even if it's informative and inoffensive.
And you know who you are.
| 784 |
Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:28:21am |
re: #782 Decatur Deb
My wife is a mac user and I'm a PC user..we have a cross-platform relationship, but we managed to work out the interfaces >:)
| 785 |
Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:29:27am |
re: #783 Charles
Perhaps we need an asshole ding to identify when someone is being more than just disagreeable..:)
| 786 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:29:57am |
re: #784 PT Barnum
My wife is a mac user and I'm a PC user..we have a cross-platform relationship, but we managed to work out the interfaces >:)
Sounds like our local mixed-marriages, Auburn/Bama.
| 787 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:30:47am |
| 788 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:31:39am |
re: #752 Aceofwhat?
Either way, I like to start off every day fresh. It's harder for me to enjoy today's impassioned debate if i'm still dealing with lingering feelings about yesterday's, n'est-ce pas?
Memory lapse with age helps in that too; or could it be practise?
| 789 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:32:01am |
re: #765 PT Barnum
That not quite fresh feeling...
If only the Axe commercials were real..I'd pay good money to have a bunch of bikini clad girls wash me like a car...or is that revealing too much?
No, I think they've tapped into the male psyche pretty well. All my students wear that stuff, sadly, for similar reasons. I swear, if I was rich, I'd swap it out for a nice green chypre--Chanel No. 19 would be fine on a young boy. They'd never realize why their luck with the girls skyrocketed.
| 790 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:32:33am |
re: #771 sattv4u2
One thing I agreed wholeheartedly with President Clinton on
My dad too, and he's a devout Catholic, deeply pro-life.
| 791 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:33:00am |
re: #785 PT Barnum
Perhaps we need an asshole ding to identify when someone is being more than just disagreeable..:)
Keyboard works too.
| 792 |
The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:33:37am |
re: #785 PT Barnum
Perhaps we need an asshole ding to identify when someone is being more than just disagreeable..:)
Yet that would also be abused. You betcha.
| 793 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:34:41am |
re: #790 SanFranciscoZionist
My dad too, and he's a devout Catholic, deeply pro-life.
Catholic here also
Devout?!?! ,, hmmm,, i've had my moments! (and prolly more NOT moments ,,, but thats what we're taught)
Anywho,,,, as stated, safe, legal and rare (although I would like to see more of the latter!)
| 794 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:34:54am |
re: #780 Aceofwhat?
Huh. the Prophet was more broadminded than i realized!
Speaking of, has anyone else here read Reza Aslan's "No god but God", and what did you think? I'm fascinated with his description of the religious world of the Arabian peninsula before Mohammed.
| 795 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:35:42am |
re: #783 Charles
I'm not happy about what happened in that thread. And as I go through and read the reactions to what Ludwig posted, in order, and the responses he got, I do NOT think he's the one to blame for it.
Several people really have it in for him, and they attack instantly whenever he posts anything, even if it's informative and inoffensive.
And you know who you are.
I love you Charles.
/sorry, was that weird?
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:36:13am |
re: #794 SanFranciscoZionist
Speaking of, has anyone else here read Reza Aslan's "No god but God", and what did you think? I'm fascinated with his description of the religious world of the Arabian peninsula before Mohammed.
No, but i'll look for it on your recommendation. thx-
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The Left Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:37:27am |
re: #783 Charles
I'm not happy about what happened in that thread. And as I go through and read the reactions to what Ludwig posted, in order, and the responses he got, I do NOT think he's the one to blame for it.
Several people really have it in for him, and they attack instantly whenever he posts anything, even if it's informative and inoffensive.
And you know who you are.
Several of the people piling on LVQ in that thread have also constantly been making mention of him in the comments here, in a bad way, gloating about his recent absence and stirring up lies and shit about it. I posted a few times saying I'd been in contact with him and he was very busy in real life with work, etc, but none of this stopped it.
I'm sure you already know all this anyway.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:37:43am |
re: #787 SanFranciscoZionist
Wise man. (Man? Right?)
Some days. Other days i fall short and end up somewhere around 'boy'. I hate being fallible...
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:38:27am |
re: #796 Aceofwhat?
No, but i'll look for it on your recommendation. thx-
It's very much from a practicing Muslim's perspective, but with a real practical eye to the problems Islam presents in the modern world. At least from the two chapters I've read so far.
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RadicalModerate Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:38:56am |
re: #783 Charles
I stayed the hell out of that thread last night because it got so ugly. There were a couple of people who were deliberately baiting Ludwig (including one rather blatant dogwhistle), and when he called them on it, things went downhill fast.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:39:51am |
re: #798 Aceofwhat?
Some days. Other days i fall short and end up somewhere around 'boy'. I hate being fallible...
I try to keep genders straight around here, but it can be tricky at times.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:41:07am |
re: #801 SanFranciscoZionist
It's tricky for some people in real life, too. I always like a friend of mine's facebook status updates, where he declares every day as a boy day or a girl day.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:41:35am |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:45:23am |
re: #803 Stanley Sea
Panda Cam!
If you hurry you can see Mom & babe playing in a box.
[Link: www.sandiegozoo.org...]
Heh, this is the best time. The baby is old enough now to be a rascal.
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Mr. Crankypants Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:47:49am |
re: #789 SanFranciscoZionist
What I don't understand is why they think they need to wear it to the extent that you can tell they've been in the room half an hour after they've left.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:50:38am |
re: #802 Obdicut
It's tricky for some people in real life, too. I always like a friend of mine's facebook status updates, where he declares every day as a boy day or a girl day.
Hmmm. Does he never do a switch around noon, or after leaving work?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:51:28am |
re: #805 PT Barnum
What I don't understand is why they think they need to wear it to the extent that you can tell they've been in the room half an hour after they've left.
They're teenage boys. They're afraid of smelling.
The girls do something similar with Bath and Bodyworks stuff, but it doesn't have the same sillage. Thank God.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:06:04pm |
re: #806 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, sometimes he does switch in the evenings. He's a perfect middle, so to speak; makes a convincing man or a girl. He changes posture and attitude along with clothes.
Fun guy. Fun girl, too.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:22:54pm |
re: #808 Obdicut
Yes, sometimes he does switch in the evenings. He's a perfect middle, so to speak; makes a convincing man or a girl. He changes posture and attitude along with clothes.
Fun guy. Fun girl, too.
I sort of envy that.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:41:11pm |
re: #797 iceweasel
Several of the people piling on LVQ in that thread have also constantly been making mention of him in the comments here, in a bad way, gloating about his recent absence and stirring up lies and shit about it. I posted a few times saying I'd been in contact with him and he was very busy in real life with work, etc, but none of this stopped it.
I'm sure you already know all this anyway.
Thank you too.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 12:59:21pm |
re: #811 LudwigVanQuixote
And I hope you know that I didn't post Bagua's comment about Jews and banks in order to incite you, just to inform you. I did not, in fact, think that Bagua claimed to be Jewish, previously.
It puts it in an even weirder light if he's Jewish.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jan 31, 2010 1:32:30pm |
re: #812 Obdicut
Don't worry buddy we are cool. That one I will not be speaking to again. If he does not adress me, I will not address him.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:18:41pm |
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 3:03:47pm |
re: #812 Obdicut
And I hope you know that I didn't post Bagua's comment about Jews and banks in order to incite you, just to inform you. I did not, in fact, think that Bagua claimed to be Jewish, previously.
It puts it in an even weirder light if he's Jewish.
That is a bold faced lie. You deliberately distorted my prior comment from a long dead thread as waved it in front of Ludwig like a red flag in front of a bull.
It was deceitful character assassination based upon a lie as well as deliberate incitement. When you got your desired result and Ludwig called me "You are a total piece of shit." you updinging in approval, and then said "Shalom" and slunk away.
Ludwig several times accused me of spreading lies that resulted in the deaths of thousands, and other such ridiculous distortions prior to my observation on his avarice.
That was an ugly thing you did Obdicut. You intentionally distorted my words to suit your slander and say the opposite of my intention. You then used it to incite Ludwig knowing the result. I haven't seen a more dirty attack here to date.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 3:15:45pm |
re: #815 Bagua
I quoted what you said, without distortion.
Anyone can read it.
You repeated it, then, too.
You have not yet actually given an explanation for why you said that publicly-traded banks are Jewish-owned.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
This is what you said:
I was making the point that I saw populist attacks on bankers and Wallstreet to have antiSemetic undertones because there are several prominent investment banks on Wall Street which are Jewish owned, such as Lehmans, Glodman Sachs, Bear Stearns, and others. I later corrected myself to remove Morgan Stanley and add others.
I also noted that they always seem to focus on the Jewish owned banks such as Goldman Sachs and ignore the non-Jewish owned which are in the majority.
Can you explain how simply quoting you is distorting your words?
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Bagua Sun, Jan 31, 2010 3:41:01pm |
re: #816 Obdicut
Can you explain how simply quoting you is distorting your words?
Yes, I will respond in detail later this evening. You did not "simply quote" my words, you distorted them to mean the opposite of my intention. You also chose to drag up this to enrage Ludwig with predictable results which was blatant incitement.
The resulting hostility pleased you which is a very ugly thing.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 3:46:50pm |
re: #817 Bagua
In the first thread you made that claim, I called you out on it and you didn't respond.
Nor in the second.
Now that you finally have, you repeated the assertion-- as can be plainly see above. When you explain your rationale for repeating the claim that most of these banks are Jewish-owned, you're going to have to explain why you repeated the statement on separate occasions, days apart.
You clearly and simply have claimed that those banks are Jewish-owned. It's there in black and white. I'll be very interested in your 'explanation.'
And as always, your attempt to play psychologist over the interwebs is fatuous.
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Obdicut Sun, Jan 31, 2010 3:51:49pm |
re: #817 Bagua
Here are the two main comments, in full, for you to explain:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
In which you say:
Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, Morgan Stanley, Lehman Bros., Chase, most of the big names involved are Jewish owned.
And:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
In which you say:
I was making the point that I saw populist attacks on bankers and Wallstreet to have antiSemetic undertones because there are several prominent investment banks on Wall Street which are Jewish owned, such as Lehmans, Glodman Sachs, Bear Stearns, and others. I later corrected myself to remove Morgan Stanley and add others.
I also noted that they always seem to focus on the Jewish owned banks such as Goldman Sachs and ignore the non-Jewish owned which are in the majority. Thus attacking the fat cats on wall-street and the greedy bankers is a dogwistle for antiSemitism in my book. We saw a similar thing in politics were the Left would demonise the so called Neo-cons, and would always name the Jewish ones and ignore those that were not.
When people make such attacks I see that as playing to antisemitism. That is my view and I supported it on that long thread. For you to distort that into my being antiSemitic to satisfy your urge to attack me on this unrelated thread is ugly and dishonest.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:11:51pm |
re: #783 Charles
I'm not happy about what happened in that thread. And as I go through and read the reactions to what Ludwig posted, in order, and the responses he got, I do NOT think he's the one to blame for it.
Several people really have it in for him, and they attack instantly whenever he posts anything, even if it's informative and inoffensive.
And you know who you are.
Well said Charles. As you've probably noticed, some of these people attack even when he isn't posting anything, and hasn't posted for a while. And then blame Ludwig and anyone who defends him for 'instigating trouble'.
I hope these people will now realise it's time to drop this tactic of trying to demonise him in this way.
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