Panic-Stricken Politicians Force Mandatory Quarantine on Ebola Health Workers

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Ugh. Now fear-mongering politicians are pandering to the panic and instituting mandatory quarantine for everyone who returns to the US after trying to help Ebola patients in West Africa — a wrong-headed, paranoid measure that goes way beyond what infectious disease experts recommend, and that was taken without even consulting their own health departments. What an awful idea, to treat people who selflessly tried to help the sick like criminals: UTA Grad Isolated at New Jersey Hospital as Part of Ebola Quarantine.

I don’t get to say this very often, but here’s a case in which Democrats and Republicans are being equally stupid.

A nurse returning to the United States from a grueling Doctors Without Borders assignment in Sierra Leone was placed in mandatory quarantine at a New Jersey hospital Friday, despite testing negative for Ebola in preliminary tests.

Kaci Hickox, a nurse with degrees from the University of Texas at Arlington and the Johns Hopkins University, arrived at Newark Liberty International Airport Friday afternoon.

“I had spent a month watching children die, alone,” she wrote in a first-person account exclusively for The Dallas Morning News. “I had witnessed human tragedy unfold before my eyes. I had tried to help when much of the world has looked on and done nothing.”

Her return trip from Bo, the second largest city in Sierra Leone, to Newark took two days and included a stop in Brussels. She planned to stay in New York City for a debriefing with Doctors Without Borders and fly to northern Maine Monday afternoon to see Ted Wilbur, her boyfriend.

Wilbur said Hickox planned to self-quarantine in their home in Fort Kent, Maine. She would limit her contact with others and recuperate from her taxing volunteer trip to Sierra Leone.

“All she wanted to do was come home, and go to bed because she hasn’t been able to sleep in days and days and days,” said Wilbur, who is a nursing student at the University of Maine at Fort Kent.

Instead, she was placed in mandatory isolation in a tent outside a New Jersey hospital, despite testing negative for Ebola in a preliminary test. The quarantine will last 21 days.

Here’s a statement from Kaci Hickox.

UPDATE at 10/25/14 7:21:17 pm by Charles Johnson

An update from Doctors Without Borders: MSF Nurse Held in Isolation in New Jersey | MSF USA.

Upon arrival at Newark University Hospital, Ms. Hickox was placed in a tent set up as an isolation ward adjacent to the main hospital building. Her temperature was again taken with an oral thermometer and was normal.

Hospital personnel are keeping her in isolation and have not informed her of any next steps, including additional blood tests to confirm Ebola infection with certainty.

She has been issued with an order of quarantine, which does not clearly indicate how long she must remain in isolation.

While she is being provided with food and water, the tent is not heated and she is dressed in uncomfortable paper scrubs. She was permitted to bring personal belongings into the tent.

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475 comments
1 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 4:17:30pm

Elevated temperature (not taken orally) due to the fear and trauma in NJ.

America really has lost its guts.

2 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 4:18:00pm

“Eight police cars escorted me to the University Hospital in Newark.”

Who authorized that waste of law enforcement resources?

3 Jenner7  Oct 25, 2014 4:18:03pm

OT:

4 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 4:18:50pm
At the hospital, I was escorted to a tent that sat outside of the building. The infectious disease and emergency department doctors took my temperature and other vitals and looked puzzled. “Your temperature is 98.6,” they said. “You don’t have a fever but we were told you had a fever.”

After my temperature was recorded as 98.6 on the oral thermometer, the doctor decided to see what the forehead scanner records. It read 101. The doctor felts my neck and looked at the temperature again. “There’s no way you have a fever,” he said. “Your face is just flushed.”

My blood was taken and tested for Ebola. It came back negative.

This is just nuts.

5 theEbolafishlives  Oct 25, 2014 4:18:53pm

re: #3 Jenner7

OT:

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Yeah, but there won’t be any black people at the open carry rally.

6 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 4:20:16pm

What’s the Halloween costume for sexy Ebola cowardice?

7 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 4:21:14pm

re: #6 jaunte

What’s the Halloween costume for sexy Ebola cowardice?

Sexy Politician. No one does that though, too smart.

8 bill d  Oct 25, 2014 4:21:47pm

Democrat Cuomo and Republican Christie have somehow managed to make Rick Perry the face of rational reactions.

Pitiful.

9 bill d  Oct 25, 2014 4:26:30pm

Doctors without Borders will have a lot less volunteers from the USA if they have to live in a tent in New Jersey for three weeks. These people are already taking a month off to help people in Africa asking them to take another 3 weeks is asinine.

Cuomo & Christie’s edict is costing people their lives.

10 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 4:27:02pm

re: #6 jaunte

What’s the Halloween costume for sexy Ebola cowardice?

OK, not very sexy…

11 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 4:29:28pm

re: #9 bill d

Doctors without Borders will have a lot less volunteers from the USA if they have to live in a tent in New Jersey for three weeks. These people are already taking a month off to help people in Africa asking them to take another 3 weeks is asinine.

Cuomo & Christie’s edict is costing people their lives.

Non Partisan pandering, stupid and self fulfilling.

12 A Mom Anon  Oct 25, 2014 4:30:24pm

I just can’t even with this shit. I get the quarantine part to some degree (IMO it’s not a good use of resources, doing it this way. EIGHT cop cars with sirens blazing?? Seriously?), but treating her like a criminal and making her uncomfortable, not giving her food and water right away, etc, is just bullshit.

I may catch shit for this, but honest to Christ, terrorists don’t need to do anything to us anymore, we terrorize ourselves and waste resources with little outside help. BOO! SCARY THINGS!!! BOO!!!

13 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 4:30:38pm

Yep, this is one case in which Democrats and Republicans are being equally stupid.

14 A Mom Anon  Oct 25, 2014 4:31:29pm

re: #10 wrenchwitch

Chicken needs larger breasts….((ducks, runs away, totally embarrassed))

15 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 4:31:51pm

I don’t get to say that very often.

16 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 4:35:50pm

Politicians are letting their Stupid Flags fly because they are not afraid of offending Ebola. ‘An abundance of caution’ is being used as cover for ‘complete overreaction’.

17 bill d  Oct 25, 2014 4:37:07pm

re: #16 wrenchwitch

Politicians are letting their Stupid Flags fly because they are not afraid of offending Ebola. ‘An abundance of caution’ is being used as cover for ‘complete overreaction’.

Out of an abundance of caution I vow never to vote for either one of those pandering palookas for president, ever.

18 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 4:38:01pm

I advise you not to read the comments for that article by Kaci Hickox.

19 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 25, 2014 4:39:13pm

If football is a religion in West Texas, today was the apocalypse: TCU 82, Texas Tech 27. This is the highest score against TT in history, by 16 points no less.

20 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 4:40:03pm

21 bill d  Oct 25, 2014 4:40:56pm

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

If football is a religion in West Texas, today was the apocalypse: TCU 82, Texas Tech 27. This is the highest score against TT in history, by 16 points no less.

:) Couldn’t have happened to a finer bunch of folks.

22 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 25, 2014 4:44:38pm

re: #2 jaunte

“Eight police cars escorted me to the University Hospital in Newark.”

Who authorized that waste of law enforcement resources?

I’m wondering who the asshole with a gun at the airport who barked commands and questions at her is.

American law enforcement: when compassion, tact or empathy is needed…fuck you.

23 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 4:45:39pm

It would seem to me that most efforts to prevent Ebola contagion would be in the countries most affected in West Africa.

If you have Ebola in the US, and you are diagnosed correctly, you will probably recover. This isn’t the case for the majority in Africa. Still, even in the US, we shouldn’t take a cavalier attitude toward the disease. Conditions are much different here than there for most victims of the disease.

Still, I think returning health care pros should not be herded into isolation, but allowed to monitor themselves in conjunction with a doctor or clinic. It’s unfortunate that while Dr Spencer was actually doing this, I think he may have gotten a bit careless (whether he was or not, that is the public’s opinion) in going about in public places, which resulted in this mandatory quarantine business when it was discovered that he actually was sick w/Ebola. There is always going to be a difference in the social aspect and the medical aspect of diseases, and this is one of them. The returning nurse has been caught up in this conundrum, unfortunately. And she didn’t intend to stay in the NYC area, she was going to Maine to stay at her boyfriend’s and monitor herself.

There should be strictures in place for people who have been exposed to those w/Ebola, whether they are health pros or not, but not to the extent of putting them into total isolation but w/a caveat: Human beings don’t always act in their own best interests.

24 DodgerFan1988  Oct 25, 2014 4:46:03pm

Gene Simmons expert opinion on how to handle the Ebola outbreak, don’t admit anyone from West Africa into America.
time.com

25 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 25, 2014 4:47:21pm

re: #20 wrenchwitch

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Yeah. The comments at CNN and elsewhere are utterly heartbreaking disgusting…and bordering on maliciously evil at times.

I now understand how witch trials could happen when ever the plague or some such other malady occurred. People go fucking insane and start looking for people not in the tribe or people we don’t want in the tribe to kill.

26 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 4:48:25pm

re: #24 DodgerFan1988

Gene Simmons expert opinion on how to handle the Ebola outbreak, don’t admit anyone from West Africa into America.
time.com

And if you do, certainly don’t give them a Kiss.

27 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 25, 2014 4:56:16pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I advise you not to read the comments for that article by Kaci Hickox.

I did. Unfortunately.

I can say with all honesty that I hope when some of those people need emergency medical care, they are treated with the same lack of humanity that they showed in those comments. They deserve nothing more or less.

28 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 25, 2014 4:56:44pm

re: #21 bill d

:) Couldn’t have happened to a finer bunch of folks.

Reagan fossil Kent Hance made good on his promise to transform Texas Tech during his tenure as chancellor. He has transformed it from a mid range school with a solid reputation into a business-based shithole most noted for drunkenness, bad sportsmanship, and “conserftif” leadership, and for hiring noted war criminal Alberto Gonzales. Hance got the enrollment numbers up largely by sweeping up the dregs of the white-flight suburbs outside Dallas and Houston. He is gone now, to enjoy his loot and have his memoirs ghost-written, but his dire influence will linger for decades. That influence may well be fatal in the long run, since he made a lot of enemies in the legislature and the academic world while building his empire of Reaganomic indoctrination.

29 TedStriker  Oct 25, 2014 5:00:05pm

re: #24 DodgerFan1988

Gene Simmons expert opinion on how to handle the Ebola outbreak, don’t admit anyone from West Africa into America.
time.com

re: #26 wrenchwitch

And if you do, certainly don’t give them a Kiss.

It’s times like these that make it really hard to divorce the art from the artist; I love Kiss and have known that Gene’s a pompous money-grubbing ass, even before his reality show, but his comments as of late on politics, racial relations, and public health just perplexes the fuck out of me.

30 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 5:01:56pm

re: #29 TedStriker

It’s times like these that make it really hard to divorce the art from the artist; I love Kiss and have known that Gene’s a money-grubbing ass, even before his reality show, but his comments as of late on politics, racial relations, and public health just perplexes the fuck out of me.

Ditto re: Annie Lennox. OMG

31 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 5:04:41pm

re: #27 Aunty Entity Dragon

I did. Unfortunately.

I can say with all honesty that I hope when some of those people need emergency medical care, they are treated with the same lack of humanity that they showed in those comments. They deserve nothing more or less.

But health care providers tend to treat everyone pretty well. Unlike some other professions which may have been mentioned in an earlier comment.

32 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 5:05:53pm

” — a wrong-headed, paranoid measure that goes way beyond what infectious disease experts recommend, and that was taken without even consulting their own health departments.”

Who you gonna consult, your health department or your pollster?

33 TedStriker  Oct 25, 2014 5:06:00pm

re: #30 wrenchwitch

Ditto re: Annie Lennox. OMG

I missed that one; how did Lennox stick her foot in her mouth?

34 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 5:08:48pm

Suggestion: A couple heavy hitters are donating megabucks to Ebola relief. One of those millions could be used, validly, to set up a decent quarantine/decompression/debriefing facility for the Health Care volunteers.

35 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2014 5:09:00pm

re: #23 Justanotherhuman

It would seem to me that most efforts to prevent Ebola contagion would be in the countries most affected in West Africa.

If you have Ebola in the US, and you are diagnosed correctly, you will probably recover. This isn’t the case for the majority in Africa. Still, even in the US, we shouldn’t take a cavalier attitude toward the disease. Conditions are much different here than there for most victims of the disease.

Still, I think returning health care pros should not be herded into isolation, but allowed to monitor themselves in conjunction with a doctor or clinic. It’s unfortunate that while Dr Spencer was actually doing this, I think he may have gotten a bit careless (whether he was or not, that is the public’s opinion) in going about in public places, which resulted in this mandatory quarantine business when it was discovered that he actually was sick w/Ebola. There is always going to be a difference in the social aspect and the medical aspect of diseases, and this is one of them. The returning nurse has been caught up in this conundrum, unfortunately. And she didn’t intend to stay in the NYC area, she was going to Maine to stay at her boyfriend’s and monitor herself.

There should be strictures in place for people who have been exposed to those w/Ebola, whether they are health pros or not, but not to the extent of putting them into total isolation but w/a caveat: Human beings don’t always act in their own best interests.

And now she is in mandatory isolation in a tent outside a New Jersey hospital, despite testing negative for Ebola in a preliminary test. The quarantine will last 21 days.
As winter is ready to set in.

Yay, ‘Murica!

36 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 5:09:05pm

re: #31 wrenchwitch

But health care providers tend to treat everyone pretty well. Unlike some other professions which may have been mentioned in an earlier comment.

Smart entertainers just keep their mouths closed except when performing.

I prefer to judge them by their talents, not by their opinions.

37 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 5:09:55pm

re: #33 TedStriker

I missed that one; how did Lennox stick her foot in her mouth?

Gawker covered it pretty well.

38 BishopX  Oct 25, 2014 5:10:12pm

So what’s going to happen in 2 months? sitting in a tent in January sucks, even in NJ.

39 EPR-radar  Oct 25, 2014 5:10:39pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Yep, this is one case in which Democrats and Republicans are being equally stupid.

It should be noted that Cuomo in NY is barely a Democrat at all. What kind of Democratic governor cuts deals with Republican legislators in the NY state legislature to block full (D) control of the legislature?

40 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 5:11:18pm

re: #36 Justanotherhuman

Smart entertainers just keep their mouths closed except when performing.

I prefer to judge them by their talents, not by their opinions.

Ooops, I meant cops. It never pays to be vague.

41 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 5:12:36pm

re: #40 wrenchwitch

Ooops, I meant cops. It never pays to be vague.

Haha, and I meant to tag #30, not #31.

Duh. : )

42 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 5:15:14pm

re: #38 BishopX

So what’s going to happen in 2 months? sitting in a tent in January sucks, even in NJ.

They should take over the Waldorf from the Chinese. I mean, if you’re going to isolate people against their will, at least put them up in style.

43 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 5:16:07pm

re: #41 Justanotherhuman

Haha, and I meant to tag #30, not #31.

Duh. : )

lol

We’re worse than Twitter.

44 darthstar  Oct 25, 2014 5:17:00pm

Someone’s getting quarantined when she gets back…

45 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 5:17:17pm

Hospital: Quarantined fiancée of NYC Ebola patient Craig Spencer released from hospital quarantine; now quarantined until Nov. 19 in Harlem apartment she shares with Spencer - @ABC
read more on abcnews.go.com

46 bill d  Oct 25, 2014 5:20:07pm

re: #44 darthstar

Someone’s getting quarantined when she gets back…

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I want to see them try it and the UN delegations from those countries too.

Reporters should also be pushing against this since this means that they can’t go over there and cover that story again.

47 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 5:20:32pm

re: #45 Justanotherhuman

That’s the apartment Chuck C. Johnson published the address of.

48 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 5:20:39pm

re: #45 Justanotherhuman

Hospital: Quarantined fiancée of NYC Ebola patient Craig Spencer released from hospital quarantine; now quarantined until Nov. 19 in Harlem apartment she shares with Spencer - @ABC
read more on abcnews.go.com

Chance of Ebola—Low
Chance of ‘Disappointed’ call from Nana—Very High

49 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 5:21:55pm

Jeebus, this guy “Dr. Marty Fox” that Chuck keeps retweeting is a class A moron.

50 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 5:21:56pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

That’s the apartment Chuck C. Johnson published the address of.

Well, shit. I hope she has security. Dog knows what his minions might do.

51 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 5:24:17pm

re: #44 darthstar

Someone’s getting quarantined when she gets back…

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Just put her in the yard at the White House. That should stop those fence-jumpers.

52 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 5:24:25pm
53 bill d  Oct 25, 2014 5:24:45pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

That’s the apartment Chuck C. Johnson published the address of.

Lovely:

Nina Pham is back home in Texas and staying with her parents in Fort Worth.

The DFW local news, did not mention the address or part of town, reported from the area. The Ft. Worth cops have coned off the cul de sac that they live on and have stationed a patrol car blocking access to that street. I though of Chuck and his “helping”.

54 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 5:25:18pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Jeebus, this guy “Dr. Marty Fox” that Chuck keeps retweeting is a class A moron.

Boob dr in KY.

twitter.com

kyplasticsurgery.com

55 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 5:26:17pm

re: #26 wrenchwitch

And if you do, certainly don’t give them a Kiss.

Bad WW, bad.

56 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 5:27:32pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Suggestion: A couple heavy hitters are donating megabucks to Ebola relief. One of those millions could be used, validly, to set up a decent quarantine/decompression/debriefing facility for the Health Care volunteers.

Club Med.

57 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 25, 2014 5:28:34pm

Texas Tech football coach Klif Kingsbury:

Klif has already been teased unmercifully about his looks and his team’s poor record, but I predict it’s about to get a lot worse.

58 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 5:28:40pm

re: #56 Stanley Seabola

Club Med.

Club Med—Hackensack.

59 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 5:29:01pm

re: #55 Stanley Seabola

Bad WW, bad.

You haven’t reached the bad one yet.

60 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 5:30:01pm

re: #59 wrenchwitch

You haven’t reached the bad one yet.

I scrolled over it, obviously.

61 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 5:30:24pm

re: #58 Decatur Deb

Club Med—Hackensack.

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that what you get with your money?

62 TedStriker  Oct 25, 2014 5:30:51pm

re: #37 wrenchwitch

Gawker covered it pretty well.

Well, that was just odd…I’m not gonna assign any ill intent to Lennox on this right now, seeing as she’s not American. However, it’s embarrassing that she either didn’t know the history of the song or was tap dancing around it.

63 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 5:31:03pm

re: #60 Stanley Seabola

I scrolled over it, obviously.

I was thinkin’ 51, but you can take your pick, of course.

64 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 5:32:13pm

Did y’all catch the one were Werner Herzog unmercifully berates Patton Oswalt?

Youtube Video

65 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 5:32:18pm

re: #61 Justanotherhuman

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that what you get with your money?

Youtube Video

66 Vicious Piebola  Oct 25, 2014 5:32:25pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Jeebus, this guy “Dr. Marty Fox” that Chuck keeps retweeting is a class A moron.

Stupidest Person On Twitter is jjauthor, hands down, just for the sheer volume of Derp that it spams into the Twitstream

67 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 5:32:56pm

re: #62 TedStriker

Well, that was just odd…I’m not gonna assign any ill intent to Lennox on this, seeing as she’s not American. However, it’s embarrassing that she either didn’t know the history of the song or was tap dancing around it.

She knows, because she mentioned elsewhere that it’s about lynching. Don’t be so easy on her, especially after she dissed Beyonce too, saying she’s not a feminist. That’s not her call, and she’s wrong.

68 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 5:40:15pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I advise you not to read the comments for that article by Kaci Hickox.

The conspiracy/hate-talk/shock-porn industry has bred a segment of our society that is giving themselves over to the real ugly side of their humanity.

I’m reminded of Adam Curtis’ Century of the Self.

Corporations, and this applies especially to mass media corporations, train their consumers (which in the case of media is “the audience”) on what to expect.

This is not a new revelation but I remind myself of it because I grasp for a rational explanation for the madness in which crowds can engage.

69 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 5:42:57pm

re: #63 wrenchwitch

I was thinkin’ 51, but you can take your pick, of course.

That one was good.

Gene Simmons is an interesting man. A misogynist, greedy, money over everything man. But still, I follow him on the twit.

70 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 5:43:01pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

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These earphones of my grandson are fab…supreme stereo, but great production on that cut, too.

71 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 5:43:27pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

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I sooooo remember where I was when that album came out.

72 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 5:43:37pm

Speaking of media and managing of audiences, I turn to Newsweek and the platform they gave to Assange to ramble on about Google conspiracies:

Assange: Google Is Not What It Seems

It’s just another Jesse-Ventura-class sort of nuttiness, but wrapped up in a veneer of Ivy-league air.

73 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 5:46:14pm

Did Mo’ne’s first pitch happen?

74 bratwurst  Oct 25, 2014 5:47:48pm

re: #73 Stanley Seabola

Did Mo’ne’s first pitch happen?

Yes.

75 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 5:49:36pm
76 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 5:49:47pm

re: #75 Stanley Seabola

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YEAH

77 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 5:49:58pm

re: #68 freetoken

…snip

This is not a new revelation but I remind myself of it because I grasp for a rational explanation for the madness in which crowds can engage.

Easier if you just remember we’re balding baboons.

78 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 5:51:29pm

re: #75 Stanley Seabola

Too bad women are not to be, in MLB.

79 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 5:53:28pm

re: #78 freetoken

Too bad women are not to be, in MLB.

Not yet.

80 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 5:54:14pm
81 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 5:54:46pm

I do wonder what a historian will say about our time, when said historian would write in say 400 years (assuming there still are historians writing in 400 years.)

Looking at the headlines constantly streaming through the news aggregators, I get the sense that there is a huge market for denial, escapism, and all around self deception.

Part of this could be my intractable curmudgeon condition exerting control over my psyche, but I leave room for the idea that I am accurately observing my society.

82 TedStriker  Oct 25, 2014 5:57:09pm

re: #67 wrenchwitch

She knows, because she mentioned elsewhere that it’s about lynching. Don’t be so easy on her, especially after she dissed Beyonce too, saying she’s not a feminist. That’s not her call, and she’s wrong.

I wasn’t really trying to go easy on her, I was saying that, with Lennox being Scottish, she may not be as appreciative of the uniquely American cultural references in “Strange Fruit”, but seeing as you say that she has acknowledged that she is aware of the song’s true meaning, I really don’t know what to say to that.

Combined with her comments about Beyonce, the only thing I can say is “WTF?!?”

83 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 5:57:51pm

re: #72 freetoken

Speaking of media and managing of audiences, I turn to Newsweek and the platform they gave to Assange to ramble on about Google conspiracies:

Assange: Google Is Not What It Seems

It’s just another Jesse-Ventura-class sort of nuttiness, but wrapped up in a veneer of Ivy-league air.

Assange showed a certain level of naivete in even meeting w/Schmidt, a corporate huckster. Schmidt is right about one thing, though—technology is the same as the industrial revolution in how it’s changing society and the world. Doesn’t mean it’s all good, though; it’s still corporate. Personally, I don’t want corporations running my life any more than I think the govt should.

84 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 6:00:36pm

re: #81 freetoken

Part of this could be my intractable curmudgeon condition exerting control over my psyche, but I leave room for the idea that I am accurately observing my society.

Accurate observations are one thing, what they do to your psyche, or what your psyche does with them, is a separate thing.

85 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 6:01:44pm

re: #37 wrenchwitch

Gawker covered it pretty well.

I really like Annie Lennox, but that was a sadly tone-deaf summary of such an important song. I went to iTunes and listened to some other sample tracks from her “jazz” album, and wow, did she ever miss with this one. Not just “Strange Fruit,” although that’s the worst - her interpretations of other jazz standards do not swing at all.

Won’t be buying this album.

86 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 6:02:32pm

re: #81 freetoken

I do wonder what a historian will say about our time, when said historian would write in say 400 years (assuming there still are historians writing in 400 years.)

Looking at the headlines constantly streaming through the news aggregators, I get the sense that there is a huge market for denial, escapism, and all around self deception.

Part of this could be my intractable curmudgeon condition exerting control over my psyche, but I leave room for the idea that I am accurately observing my society.

Same as it ever was.

Youtube Video

87 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 6:03:53pm

Another one for the clueless celeb files. Don’t click the link, it goes to Daily Caller (fair warning).

88 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 6:05:28pm

re: #86 Decatur Deb

Same as it ever was.

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Our contemporary tools, automated that they are, make the whole process much more efficient though.

89 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 6:05:43pm

re: #87 wrenchwitch

The Daily Caller loves it when black celebrities bash black people.

90 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 6:06:40pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

I’ve been biting my tongue finger tips, but I’m gonna say type it: When I heard Meghan Krauss, my first thought was ‘I won’t miss Annie Lennox so much.’

91 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 6:07:49pm

re: #87 wrenchwitch

Another one for the clueless celeb files. Don’t click the link, it goes to Daily Caller (fair warning).

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Isn’t he successful at pushing a rubber ball through a steel ring?

92 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 6:08:40pm

Thought of all the kitteh loving Lizards when I saw this.

93 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 25, 2014 6:08:54pm

160 years ago today.

“C’est magnifique, mais ce n’est pas la guerre: c’est de la folie”

94 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 6:13:31pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

I really like Annie Lennox, but that was a sadly tone-deaf summary of such an important song. I went to iTunes and listened to some other sample tracks from her “jazz” album, and wow, did she ever miss with this one. Not just “Strange Fruit,” although that’s the worst - her interpretations of other jazz standards do not swing at all.

Won’t be buying this album.

There’s a singer from Singapore named Olivia Ong who sings a lot of songs from the Great American Songbook. Her voice is good, pronunciation is OK (though she pronounces “all” more like “aall” than “awl”), tone is mostly spot on. But she doesn’t swing them too well, and I don’t really get the sense she “feels” the song like Diane Krall, for example, does.

95 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 6:14:16pm

re: #93 William Barnett-Lewis

160 years ago today.

“C’est magnifique, mais ce n’est pas la guerre: c’est de la folie”

Don’t make me do math in my head. I was racking my brain about 1954.

/I wish

96 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 6:14:16pm

re: #93 William Barnett-Lewis

160 years ago today.

“C’est magnifique, mais ce n’est pas la guerre: c’est de la folie”

When can their glory fade? O the wild charge they made

Not tho’ the soldier knew, someone had blunder’d… Charging an army, while all the world wonder’d

97 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 6:15:16pm

re: #93 William Barnett-Lewis

Hardly anyone thinks of the Crimean War anymore.

In 160 years from now, few people will care about most of our military adventures also. I suppose the US Civil War will still be remembered, and WWII, but a lot of our lesser wars will not be remembered by the non-history reader.

98 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 6:16:08pm

re: #94 wheat-dogghazi-bola

There’s a singer from Singapore named Olivia Ong who sings a lot of songs from the Great American Songbook. Her voice is good, pronunciation is OK (though she pronounces “all” more like “aall” than “awl”), tone is mostly spot on. But she doesn’t swing them too well, and I don’t really get the sense she “feels” the song like Diane Krall, for example, does.

Oh yeah, peel me a grape…

Youtube Video

99 Vicious Piebola  Oct 25, 2014 6:17:04pm

re: #94 wheat-dogghazi-bola

There’s a singer from Singapore named Olivia Ong who sings a lot of songs from the Great American Songbook. Her voice is good, pronunciation is OK (though she pronounces “all” more like “aall” than “awl”), tone is mostly spot on. But she doesn’t swing them too well, and I don’t really get the sense she “feels” the song like Diane Krall, for example, does.

Diana Krall committed this crime against humanity:
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100 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 25, 2014 6:17:39pm
Instead, she was placed in mandatory isolation in a tent outside a New Jersey hospital, despite testing negative for Ebola in a preliminary test. The quarantine will last 21 days.

Guessing that someone on Christie’s staff convinced him that sealing Kaci Hickox in a 55 gallon drum would look bad.

Hickox is a better person than either Christie or Cuomo. She will go on to do more good while they will remain pandering, pants-wetting, tinhorn politicians.

101 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 6:21:16pm
102 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 6:21:28pm

re: #99 Vicious Piebola

Diana Krall committed this crime against humanity:
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That’s not fair, it’s a Christmas song. Also: not clicking.

103 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 6:23:13pm
104 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 6:23:43pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

The id of the conservative movement in the United States. Righteous trash.

105 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 6:24:07pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

What did he want Obama to do? French-kiss her?

106 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 6:24:21pm

Obama’s Beard? WTF?

I don’t even…

107 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 6:25:27pm

re: #102 wrenchwitch

That’s not fair, it’s a Christmas song. Also: not clicking.

It’s hard to make a Christmas song swing, and the result is usually worse than the original.

108 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 6:25:39pm

Christmas songs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

109 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 6:25:59pm

re: #106 BigPapa

Obama’s Beard? WTF?

I don’t even…

Is that something like, “By Odin’s beard!”

110 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 25, 2014 6:26:24pm

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi-bola

What did he want Obama to do? French-kiss her?

with Gene Simmons tongue….

If there is a line, I just blew past it on rocket powered roller skates.

RBS

111 Lidane  Oct 25, 2014 6:26:50pm
112 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 6:26:56pm

re: #107 wheat-dogghazi-bola

It’s hard to make a Christmas song swing, and the result is usually worse than the original.

I have some excellent examples of both cases… let me see here….

113 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 6:27:14pm

re: #108 freetoken

Christmas songs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bad Religion came out with a Christmas album last year. That and James Brown’s Funky Christmas are the best Christmas albums of all time.

114 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 6:27:56pm
115 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 25, 2014 6:29:14pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

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It’s hard to believe, but I think upChuck may have visited the good doctor and gotten jerk implants.

RBS

116 wrenchwitch  Oct 25, 2014 6:29:22pm

Later, lizards.

117 Lidane  Oct 25, 2014 6:30:05pm

re: #106 BigPapa

Obama’s Beard? WTF?

I don’t even…

HURR HURR… WE ALL KNOW OBUMMER IZ TEH GHEY.

/////

118 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 6:30:08pm

re: #111 Lidane

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While measures to protect public health are of paramount importance, they must be balanced against the rights of health workers returning from fighting the Ebola outbreak in West Africa to fair and reasonable treatment and the full disclosure of information to them, along with information about intended courses of action from local and state health authorities.

Luck to you.

119 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 6:30:37pm

re: #111 Lidane

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She gets a tent? Better digs than a lot of people in Newark.

120 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 6:30:55pm

re: #113 teleskiguy

Bad Religion came out with a Christmas album last year. That and James Brown’s Funky Christmas are the best Christmas albums of all time.

I like this old bluesy tune…

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121 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 6:31:51pm

Instrumental Christmas music is the only one to use.

And only at parties. Not real life.

122 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 6:33:48pm

You can’t blame this explosion of Christmas music on me, this time.

BTW, you only have 60 more shopping days till Christmas.

123 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 6:34:26pm
124 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 6:34:39pm
125 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 6:34:47pm

Our society begs to find something to argue over:

Hillary Clinton: Businesses and corporations don’t create jobs

Derp ensues.

126 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 6:37:05pm
127 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 6:37:57pm

re: #125 freetoken

Our society begs to find something to argue over:

Hillary Clinton: Businesses and corporations don’t create jobs

Derp ensues.

Typical shitty reporting:

“The context of the statement is unclear, as the video only shows just over 30 seconds of the speech.”

Read more: upi.com

128 b_sharp  Oct 25, 2014 6:38:51pm

re: #1 Stanley Seabola

Elevated temperature (not taken orally) due to the fear and trauma in NJ.

America really has lost its guts.

Americans are addicted to the adrenaline rush panic gives.

129 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 6:39:01pm
130 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 6:39:24pm

People like UpChuck should be out in the street yelling at cars all day. And yet he gets name-dropped on Rush Limbaugh’s show and gets Drudge links.

This is why we have to call this filth pit of a human out.

131 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 6:39:26pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

He’s like a caricature, wrapped in a parody, embedded in a lampoon.
But it’s really him.

132 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 6:39:40pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

I used to live in West Hollywood. I know how gay men hug straight women. #NinaPham

If there’s anyone on Earth who cares about that little shit, they’ve got to get him into treatment.

133 Vicious Piebola  Oct 25, 2014 6:40:46pm

re: #102 wrenchwitch

That’s not fair, it’s a Christmas song. Also: not clicking.

THE. WORST. CHRISTMAS. SONG. EVER. RECORDED.
(Paul McCartney’s “Wonderful Christmastime” is 2nd worst)

134 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 6:41:26pm
135 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 25, 2014 6:41:34pm

re: #93 William Barnett-Lewis

160 years ago today.

“C’est magnifique, mais ce n’est pas la guerre: c’est de la folie”

Cannons to right of them, cannons to the left of them…cannons all over the bloody place…who the hell at S-2 screwed up our intel before we charged into this hellhole??

136 bill d  Oct 25, 2014 6:41:36pm

Looks like Chuck C is freebasing bath salts again.

137 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 25, 2014 6:41:48pm

re: #121 Stanley Seabola

Instrumental Christmas music is the only one to use.

And only at parties. Not real life.

I have a weak spot for Mannheim Steamroller at Christmas. Not that it’s all that good but it’s not as bad as the usual dreck.

138 Vicious Piebola  Oct 25, 2014 6:42:55pm

Christmas songs “sung jazz style” are just wrong.

Just don’t.

139 Vicious Piebola  Oct 25, 2014 6:43:30pm

140 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 6:44:24pm

re: #139 Vicious Piebola

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So we’re past Peak Schlock?

141 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 6:44:51pm

I’d be willing to bet that UpChuck is his most vile on Twitter after he’s knocked back a few (dozen?) drinks.

142 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 6:45:14pm

re: #138 Vicious Piebola

Christmas songs “sung jazz style” are just wrong.

Just don’t.

There are, however, original Christmas songs developed out of the American music scene of the early to mid 20th century, which by nature fit well into “Jazz” and “Swing”.

143 Vicious Piebola  Oct 25, 2014 6:46:07pm

re: #141 teleskiguy

I’d be willing to bet that UpChuck is his most vile on Twitter after he’s knocked back a few (dozen?) drinks.

Chuck still has a long way to go before he can beat The Most Vile Person on Twitter

144 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 6:47:48pm

re: #143 Vicious Piebola

Chuck still has a long way to go before he can beat The Most Vile Person on Twitter

That man is evil.

145 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 6:51:13pm
146 Justanotherhuman  Oct 25, 2014 6:51:22pm

Keep calm and carry on, Lizards!

Later. : )

147 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 25, 2014 6:51:56pm

re: #138 Vicious Piebola

Christmas songs “sung jazz style” are just wrong.

Just don’t.

Same with taking modern Christmas tunes (Irving Berlin and later)…adding some fiddle and calling it “Celtic”.

I really, really loathe that trend.

There are actual, lovely, traditional Celtic Christmas ballads etc out there…from Manx, Irish and Scottish tradition…but they are NOT what you hear on the radio. You often have to look on hard-to-find Celtic harp cd’s to discover these gems, but it is worth it. (The Jezebel Carol on one of Aine Minogue’s cd’s is a joy, presented here for your perusal)
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148 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 6:52:21pm

re: #145 teleskiguy

Not wholly inaccurate.

149 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 6:53:27pm

re: #148 freetoken

Not wholly inaccurate.

That thing with the crank. What is that thing?!?

150 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 6:54:29pm

re: #149 teleskiguy

That thing with the crank. What is that thing?!?

I think we call it “iTunes”.

151 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 6:54:39pm
152 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 6:56:59pm

A reminder that fundamentalism, like Pockys, comes in different flavors:

Catholic League leader calls for constitutional amendment banning gay marriage

153 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 25, 2014 6:57:40pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

154 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 25, 2014 6:58:25pm

re: #139 Vicious Piebola

Anyone who attempts to recreate the Christmases of my Fifties childhood gets a visit from my junk-seeking boot. Most holidays are annoying to me, Christmas seems downright obnoxious.

155 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 6:58:26pm
156 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 7:02:15pm
157 darthstar  Oct 25, 2014 7:03:43pm

re: #75 Stanley Seabola

I was at last night’s game. Would have been good to be there tonight. Selling tomorrow’s tickets $1250 each on StubHub. (applying that to next season’s season tickets).

158 Vicious Piebola  Oct 25, 2014 7:03:49pm

re: #155 BigPapa

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That’s horrible

159 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 7:04:17pm

Highlights of Western Civilization:

4th century BC: Plato and his Republic
1st century BC: Cicero and his letters
13th century: Aquinas and his Summa Theologica
17th century: Shakespeare
21st century: #shewasknockedupnowshesknockedout

160 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 7:05:08pm

re: #157 darthstar

I was at last night’s game. Would have been good to be there tonight. Selling tomorrow’s tickets $1250 each on StubHub. (applying that to next season’s season tickets).

dude.

161 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 7:05:58pm

re: #159 freetoken

Highlights of Western Civilization:

4th century BC: Plato and his Republic
1st century BC: Cicero and his letters
13th century: Aquinas and his Summa Theologica
17th century: Shakespeare
21st century: #shewasknockedupnowshesknockedout

162 Vicious Piebola  Oct 25, 2014 7:06:36pm

SWOT is Derping up a storm, I can tell by all the retweets even though I have blocked & muted her incredibly stupid ass.

163 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 7:08:23pm

re: #157 darthstar

I was at last night’s game. Would have been good to be there tonight. Selling tomorrow’s tickets $1250 each on StubHub. (applying that to next season’s season tickets).

Dog, I don’t know the series. Are you giving up the potential winning game?

Y O L O applies.

164 The War TARDIS  Oct 25, 2014 7:08:40pm

Lines from the Trailer of the next Doctor Who episode:

Click to Reveal

Clara: I am not Clara Oswald. Clara Oswald has never existed!

Moffat, I sure hope you know what you are doing.

165 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 7:08:51pm

The Governor is resting comfortably.

166 darthstar  Oct 25, 2014 7:10:02pm

re: #160 Stanley Seabola

dude.

I know…I’ll drop the price if they don’t sell by tomorrow morning. And again at noon. But I’ve got ticket partners. And if we win tonight, they’ll sell because people are feeling happy.

167 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 7:10:06pm

re: #165 jaunte

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The Governor is resting comfortably.

I was about to post this tweet, you beat me to it!

If you ask me it’s fuckin’ bullshit.

168 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 7:11:17pm

re: #162 Vicious Piebola

Right wing lunatics can be incredibly obsessive and driven. That’s one of the signs of severe mental illness.

169 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 7:11:34pm

re: #165 jaunte

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The Governor is resting comfortably.

So we can bet this nurse is not going to hug Christie when she gets out.

170 TedStriker  Oct 25, 2014 7:12:39pm

re: #169 Decatur Deb

So we can bet this nurse is not going to hug Christie when she gets out.

I’d pay to see her kick Christie in the nuts.

171 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 7:12:50pm

re: #165 jaunte

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The Governor is resting comfortably.

And I bet she has no wi fi.

172 BigPapa  Oct 25, 2014 7:13:20pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Right wing lunatics can be incredibly obsessive and driven. That’s one of the signs of severe mental illness.

No, that’s their strong belief in family, liberty, and the Constitution, and zygotes.

173 Vicious Piebola  Oct 25, 2014 7:13:49pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Right wing lunatics can be incredibly obsessive and driven. That’s one of the signs of severe mental illness.

I just can’t fit my brain around the idea of someone who spews such hate at poor people, 24/7 on Twitter, for being “lazy moochers” WHO HAS NEVER HAD A JOB. It has to be some kind of self-hating projection thing.

174 The War TARDIS  Oct 25, 2014 7:14:15pm

Another line:

Click to Reveal

‘Clara, what are you doing,’ ask the Doctor, summing up what we’re all thinking.

‘Time can be rewritten,’ she tells him casually.

‘I’m not Clara Oswald. Clara Oswald has never existed.’

175 freetoken  Oct 25, 2014 7:14:48pm

Bob Carroll dies at 48; a lauded improvisational tap dancer

Some local Home Depot customers might remember Bob Carroll as that affable, prematurely balding guy in carpentry — never realizing that Carroll was among the most respected tap dancers of his generation.

The quirky, beloved Carroll, 48, who had been in declining health, died Oct. 13 in a single-vehicle traffic accident in Pueblo, Colo.

Carroll was best known as a performer for 18 years with the Southern California company Rhapsody in Taps, where he danced featured roles in choreographed pieces and unleashed memorable solo improvisations.

[…]

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176 The War TARDIS  Oct 25, 2014 7:14:50pm

re: #174 The War TARDIS

And, why is she dressed the same exact way as she was in “The name of the Doctor?”

Pagetime!

177 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 7:15:05pm
178 Lidane  Oct 25, 2014 7:15:58pm

re: #152 freetoken

A reminder that fundamentalism, like Pockys, comes in different flavors:

Catholic League leader calls for constitutional amendment banning gay marriage

I want one of these assholes to explain to me how gay marriage is a threat to them. Are marriage licenses finite? Do gay couples getting married take a spot from straight couples or something?

Also, plz to tell me when the last time we amended the Constitution to RESTRICT rights rather than expand them. IIRC the last attempt was Prohibition and we saw how well that worked.

179 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 7:16:45pm

For now, however, Cuomo and Christie are apparently staying the course.

On Saturday, Christie defended his state’s new Ebola procedures, saying his “first and foremost obligation is to protect the public health and safety of the people of New Jersey.” He also said that despite Hickox negative Ebola test, she appears to be ill with something.

Cuomo also defended the quarantine policy Saturday. He called the new Ebola policies a “flexible” system, Capital New York reported, and said at-risk health workers are “going to be the first ones who are going to want to protect the public.”

Christie and Cuomo are assholes.

180 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 7:18:07pm

re: #179 teleskiguy

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Christie and Cuomo are assholes.

They need a nurses’ strike.

181 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 25, 2014 7:19:10pm

re: #165 jaunte

It’s nearly certain that they’re throwing C Rations toward the tent for her meals. No P-38 can opener though: she might cut herself and thus Ebolify NJ.

Maybe they have something: Ebola is one of the handful of things on Earth that wouldn’t improve New Jersey.

182 gwangung  Oct 25, 2014 7:19:42pm
On Saturday, Christie defended his state’s new Ebola procedures, saying his “first and foremost obligation is to protect the public health and safety of the people of New Jersey.” He also said that despite Hickox negative Ebola test, she appears to be ill with something.

Well, asshole, if she’s in a tent during fall wearing only paper scrubs, she WILL be ill with something.

183 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 7:20:26pm

“You say you don’t have a fever? We can fix that.”

184 Vicious Piebola  Oct 25, 2014 7:21:03pm

DON’T PANIC, BUY OUR EBOLA PREVENTION STUFF!!!!

185 Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2014 7:22:45pm

re: #184 Vicious Piebola

DON’T PANIC, BUY OUR EBOLA PREVENTION STUFF!!!!

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They know their marks audience.

186 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 25, 2014 7:26:07pm

re: #184 Vicious Piebola

DON’T PANIC, BUY OUR EBOLA PREVENTION STUFF!!!!

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Oh hell yes I’m going to seek Ebola prevention advice from the same crowd that assured me that duct tape and plastic sheeting would protect me from chemical and biological weapons.

These guys are also trying to sell “mint condition classic Yugos” for only $20K each.

187 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 7:26:08pm
188 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 7:26:20pm

Madeleine Albright wrote an editorial in the Denver Post endorsing incumbent Colorado governor John Hickenlooper.

In 2012, the governor engaged the Republican speaker of the House in a “whiskey summit” where the two men disagreed — over plastic cups of the bronze liquid — about passing legislation legalizing civil unions for gay couples. The “whiskey summit” helped dramatize the need for change, and in the end, by sticking to his principles, the governor eventually got the legislation he wanted through a new legislature.

Oh to be a fly on the wall at that meeting!

189 Stanley Seabola  Oct 25, 2014 7:26:42pm

re: #179 teleskiguy

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Christie and Cuomo are assholes.

They are not LEADERS. they are fear mongering panderers.

190 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 7:28:34pm

re: #179 teleskiguy

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Christie and Cuomo are assholes.

One more case in NY, and Christie will close the bridge.

191 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 7:29:44pm

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amazon.com

Oh look, it’s copyrighted.

192 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 7:30:23pm
193 Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2014 7:30:47pm

re: #39 EPR-radar

It should be noted that Cuomo in NY is barely a Democrat at all. What kind of Democratic governor cuts deals with Republican legislators in the NY state legislature to block full (D) control of the legislature?

Someone who doesn’t want Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver to have more power than him. Cuomo helped the GOP control the State Senate because that helped ensure he had the whip hand in confrontations with Silver.

Its about power.

194 Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2014 7:33:56pm

re: #191 jaunte

Prepare for Ebola, Flu, and other viruses and contagions
Up to a Week of Survival Indoor or Outdoor
Masks, Food, Water, CommunicatioWhere’s the profiteering scumbag repellent?

amazon.com

Oh look, it’s copyrighted.

It’s missing something, the less-lethal ‘beanbag’ rounds for your shotgun. You use those so that the person you shoot doesn’t bleed externally. They might still be hurt bad or die, but there’s no blood splatter to give you Ebola.

/Mostly kidding

195 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 25, 2014 7:35:26pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Someone who doesn’t want Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver to have more power than him. Cuomo helped the GOP control the State Senate because that helped ensure he had the whip hand in confrontations with Silver.

Its about power.

Authoritarians are authoritarian, regardless of the label they give themselves. Cumo, Bloomberg, Walker, Bryan Fischer.

196 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 7:35:51pm

An update from Doctors Without Borders: MSF Nurse Held in Isolation in New Jersey | MSF USA.

Upon arrival at Newark University Hospital, Ms. Hickox was placed in a tent set up as an isolation ward adjacent to the main hospital building.  Her temperature was again taken with an oral thermometer and was normal.

Hospital personnel are keeping her in isolation and have not informed her of any next steps, including additional blood tests to confirm Ebola infection with certainty.  

She has been issued with an order of quarantine, which does not clearly indicate how long she must remain in isolation.    

While she is being provided with food and water, the tent is not heated and she is dressed in uncomfortable paper scrubs. She was permitted to bring personal belongings into the tent.

197 Bear  Oct 25, 2014 7:36:16pm

re: #145 teleskiguy

Note No girls.

198 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 25, 2014 7:39:25pm

Hey, DF? You see my #93?

199 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 7:39:38pm

re: #197 Bear

Note No girls.

Does this mean that in 1900 people thought that in 100 years there would be no women?!?

/

200 The War TARDIS  Oct 25, 2014 7:41:29pm

Article for the Finale.

Spoilers ahoy!

201 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 7:43:07pm
202 Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2014 7:43:26pm

re: #198 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey, DF? You see my #93?

Just did. It has an especially mournful ring for me this year, because the Canadian soldier killed in Ottawa this week was a member of Canada’s Argyll Highlanders, and it was the Argyll and Southerland Highlanders of the 93rd Regiment of Foot who formed the “thin red streak” that stopped the Russian cavalry at Balaclava.

203 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 7:45:28pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Leading to the latest update in the Tweet-Sourced Dossier on CC Johnson.

204 blueraven  Oct 25, 2014 7:47:34pm

regardless of who wins…

Hell of a ballgame tonight in SF!

205 Timothy Watson  Oct 25, 2014 7:52:24pm

The GOP has promoting conspiracy theories for years involving Obama placing people in FEMA concentration camps, but a state government ran by a Republican just put a nurse in one.

206 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 7:54:16pm

re: #205 Timothy Watson

States: the “laboratories of democracy.”

207 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 25, 2014 7:54:47pm

re: #199 teleskiguy

Does this mean that in 1900 people thought that in 100 years there would be no women?!?

/

Just that they wouldn’t need none o’ that there book-learnin. (Even if the books are piped directly into the ears.)

208 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 7:55:18pm

re: #205 Timothy Watson

The GOP has promoting conspiracy theories for years involving Obama placing people in FEMA concentration camps, but a state government ran by a Republican just put a nurse in one.

What’s their justification for putting her in a tent, fer chrissakes? Is it too hard to isolate her in, I dunno, a hospital or something? I hear they have hospitals there.

209 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 25, 2014 7:56:50pm

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi-bola

What’s their justification for putting her in a tent, fer chrissakes? Is it too hard to isolate her in, I dunno, a hospital or something? I hear they have hospitals there.

What I want to know is where they plan to put her if she develops Ebola.

210 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 7:57:53pm

re: #209 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

What I want to know is where they plan to put her if she develops Ebola.

She’s more likely to get pneumonia, at this rate.

211 Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2014 7:58:19pm

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi-bola

What’s their justification for putting her in a tent, fer chrissakes? Is it too hard to isolate her in, I dunno, a hospital or something? I hear they have hospitals there.

I couldn’t say. We do have two hospitals that can handle such a quarantine in Cook County, and they’ve done well with the false alarms they’ve faced so far. But I’m not sure what New Jersey has available.

212 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 7:58:33pm

re: #209 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

What I want to know is where they plan to put her if she develops Ebola.

Pine Barrens.

213 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 7:59:52pm

re: #212 Decatur Deb

Pine Barrens.

I hear there are some vacant casinos in Atlantic City.

214 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 25, 2014 8:02:37pm

re: #165 jaunte

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The Governor is resting comfortably.

The next goddamned time governor traffic survey needs a room in a hospital in New Jersey…they can send his twinkie ass to the same fucking tent.

215 b_sharp  Oct 25, 2014 8:02:48pm

re: #213 wheat-dogghazi-bola

I hear there are some vacant casinos in Atlantic City.

Anything of Trump’s?

216 BeachDem  Oct 25, 2014 8:02:52pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

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Although the bar was already pretty low, I think this is UpChuck’s most ignorant tweet to date.

217 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 8:04:18pm

re: #216 BeachDem

Although the bar was already pretty low, I think this is UpChuck’s most ignorant tweet to date.

As with Bryan J. Fischer, Chuckie’s obsession with Teh Ghey says a lot.

218 sagehen  Oct 25, 2014 8:04:45pm

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi-bola

What’s their justification for putting her in a tent, fer chrissakes? Is it too hard to isolate her in, I dunno, a hospital or something? I hear they have hospitals there.

She’s right *next* to the hospital. The tent is in the parking lot of the hospital!!

219 Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2014 8:05:07pm

re: #212 Decatur Deb

Pine Barrens.

Yeah but doing that led to a very unpleasant night for Paulie Walnuts. He might have frozen to death if Tony hadn’t found him and Christopher.

/riff on The Sopranos episode named “Pine Barrens”.

220 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 8:06:06pm

re: #218 sagehen

She’s right *next* to the hospital. The tent is in the parking lot of the hospital!!

Who’s paying for this sumptuous accommodation?

221 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 8:07:04pm

re: #220 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Who’s paying for this sumptuous accommodation?

Took up a collection at the Newark homeless shelters—it’s Jersey.

222 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 8:07:20pm

re: #218 sagehen

She’s right *next* to the hospital. The tent is in the parking lot of the hospital!!

223 prairiefire  Oct 25, 2014 8:07:55pm

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

Love that episode.

224 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 8:08:30pm

re: #223 prairiefire

Love that episode.

Always expected to see the Russian again.

225 prairiefire  Oct 25, 2014 8:08:34pm

re: #222 teleskiguy

Rickman upping.

226 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 25, 2014 8:09:14pm

re: #220 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Who’s paying for this sumptuous accommodation?

Remember…best health care in the world. Big green foam finger ‘Murica!!!

*spit*

227 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 8:10:05pm

re: #225 prairiefire

Rickman upping.

Loved him in “Dogma.”

Hence, all the spitting!

228 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 25, 2014 8:11:02pm

At this point I would be starting a hunger strike and daring them to force feed me or administer treatment against my will.

This is a goddamned disgrace.

229 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 8:12:06pm

re: #228 Aunty Entity Dragon

At this point I would be starting a hunger strike and daring them to force feed me or administer treatment against my will.

This is a goddamned disgrace.

She’s getting lots of press. This shit will stop.

google.com

230 blueraven  Oct 25, 2014 8:12:30pm

re: #220 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Who’s paying for this sumptuous accommodation?

They need to be paying her for the time she is in quarantine!

231 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 25, 2014 8:16:10pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

She’s getting lots of press. This shit will stop.

I would not count on it. The panicked mob is running the show now, and I would bet real money that a substantial majority of our polity has no problem with holding her under virtual arrest in a fucking unheated tent for weeks.

Not an hour away from I live in NC, a school demanded their Vice Principal go into a 21 day at home quarantine before coming to work because she went on missionary trip to South Africa…half a continent away from any infection.

Blind panic beats science and decency every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

232 prairiefire  Oct 25, 2014 8:16:14pm

re: #227 teleskiguy

Loved him in “Dogma.”

Hence, all the spitting!

“Sense and Sensibility” “I must …away”

233 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 8:16:46pm

Aw Snap!

234 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 25, 2014 8:17:08pm

re: #230 blueraven

They need to be paying her for the time she is in quarantine!

Do you really think that a GOP Governor would actually do anything like that????

235 Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2014 8:18:12pm

re: #231 Aunty Entity Dragon

I would not count on it. The panicked mob is running the show now, and I would bet real money that a substantial majority of our polity has no problem with holding her under virtual arrest in a fucking unheated tent for weeks.

Not an hour away from I live in NC, a school demanded their Vice Principal go into a 21 day at home quarantine before coming to work because she went on missionary trip to South Africa…half a continent away from any infection.

Blind panic beats science and decency every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Been reading a lot of Freep and other RWNJ comments re MSF. Fear aside, these shitsticks want every trace of human decency punished.

236 TedStriker  Oct 25, 2014 8:18:16pm

re: #226 Aunty Entity Dragon

Remember…best health care in the world. Big green foam finger ‘Murica!!!

*spit*

It wouldn’t surprise me that if this is completely punitive and at Christie’s (plausibly deniable) direction, especially since she was apparently housed in that hospital’s isolation ward before they moved her out to that tent in the parking lot.

On the outside looking in on this, there seems to me to be absolutely no valid, logical reason for this nurse to be treated like this, other than as a sop to the “OMG WE”RE ALL GONNA DIE OF EBOLA!!!11ty” nuts.

237 BeachDem  Oct 25, 2014 8:19:08pm

Utterly disgraceful what they are doing to that poor nurse. How is that even possibly considered an acceptable situation? Fuck you, Christie, you pile of swill.

Of course, Tina Dupuy’s message grows more true every day.

238 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 8:19:27pm

re: #231 Aunty Entity Dragon

After the Carnival Magic returned Sunday to Galveston, Texas, the Moore school district near Oklahoma City asked several employees and students who had been on the vessel not to return to school until the lab tech “has been ‘cleared’ and there is no medical threat,” according to news reports.
nypost.com

239 prairiefire  Oct 25, 2014 8:19:50pm

re: #224 Decatur Deb

Always expected to see the Russian again.

Me, too.

240 jaunte  Oct 25, 2014 8:21:09pm

FEMA will have to open those camps when they get back.

241 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 25, 2014 8:21:49pm

re: #235 Decatur Deb

Been reading a lot of Freep and other RWNJ comments re MSF. Fear aside, these shitsticks want every trace of human decency punished.

I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.

Thomas Jefferson

242 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 8:29:39pm

Gus has been, uh, lively on Twitter tonight.

243 blueraven  Oct 25, 2014 8:34:37pm

Ah well, once exciting game getting outta hand now…
:(

244 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 25, 2014 8:35:37pm

I’m done for tonight. I am so livid with anger after this that I need to back away, and do something else for awhile.

I guess I will try to get some work done on my thesis tomorrow.

245 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 8:37:16pm

I’ve tweeted out wheat-dogg’s dossier on UpChuck a few times. Well, that dossier has a little bit wider audience now.

246 prairiefire  Oct 25, 2014 8:37:52pm

re: #243 blueraven

Ah well, once exciting game getting outta hand now…
:(

Sad.

247 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 8:39:15pm
248 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 8:39:48pm
249 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 8:42:47pm

re: #248 teleskiguy

Thanks. Also thx to @Green_Footballs for the dissemination. I’m waiting for CCJ to threaten lawsuits and siccing the cops on me.

250 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 8:46:36pm

re: #249 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Thanks. Also thx to @GreenFootballs for the dissemination. I’m waiting for CCJ to threaten lawsuits and siccing the cops on me.

Charles has an underscore in his Twitter handle.

:-P

:-D

251 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 8:47:25pm
252 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 8:50:43pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

UpChuck continues to be an unbelievably callous and hateful human being. He successfully plumbs the depths of the American right wing id so regularly that I’m close to concluding a diagnosis of psychopathy.

253 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 8:52:31pm
254 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 8:54:27pm

re: #250 teleskiguy

Charles has an underscore in his Twitter handle.

:-P

:-D

Fixed. Thx

255 darthstar  Oct 25, 2014 8:57:01pm

Trolling telemarketers done right.

chrismaverick.com

256 The War TARDIS  Oct 25, 2014 9:00:34pm

Good to see NYC and the CDC jumping off Christie’s and Cuomo’s ass.

257 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 9:01:57pm

Speaking of Bryan Fischer:

258 gwangung  Oct 25, 2014 9:03:25pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

Acting just like the African tribes who killed health workers and spread the disease even further.

259 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 9:08:45pm

Things that make you go “Huh?!?”

260 BeenHereAwhile  Oct 25, 2014 9:11:19pm

re: #242 teleskiguy

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Gus has been, uh, lively on Twitter tonight.

George Went Hensley (c. 1880 - July 25, 1955) was an American Pentecostal minister best known for popularizing the practice of snake handling[…]

[…] In 1955, while conducting a service in Florida, he was bitten by a snake and became violently ill. He refused to seek medical attention and died the following day[…]

en.m.wikipedia.org

Still waiting for the church of the Black Mamba.

261 darthstar  Oct 25, 2014 9:16:25pm

re: #259 teleskiguy

Things that make you go “Huh?!?”

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Let’s see you learn to make a tattoo gun at Harvard.

262 The War TARDIS  Oct 25, 2014 9:17:37pm

re: #259 teleskiguy

Harvard and the Nursing home combined are not as expensive as prison.

263 BeenHereAwhile  Oct 25, 2014 9:22:37pm

re: #262 The War TARDIS

Harvard and the Nursing home combined are not as expensive as prison.

Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) smiles.

264 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 9:24:25pm
265 BeenHereAwhile  Oct 25, 2014 9:25:58pm

re: #260 BeenHereAwhile

George Went Hensley (c. 1880 - July 25, 1955) was an American Pentecostal minister best known for popularizing the practice of snake handling[…]

[…] In 1955, while conducting a service in Florida, he was bitten by a snake and became violently ill. He refused to seek medical attention and died the following day[…]

en.m.wikipedia.org

Still waiting for the church of the Black Mamba.

Upon reflection, I suppose a Green Mamba would be more environmentally friendly.

266 BeachDem  Oct 25, 2014 9:27:14pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

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And even if she were a spokesperson for the CDC, why would that be “disturbing?”

OK—I woke up mad this morning and and I guess I’ll now go to bed mad tonight.

I’ve been saying more often lately that I’m kind of glad I’m old and that I don’t have kids.

267 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 25, 2014 9:28:12pm

Evening lizards.

I heard Jack Bruce passed away. I’m a big fan of his. Here he is with Robin Trower in 2009…

Youtube Video

268 gwangung  Oct 25, 2014 9:28:22pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

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So basically Chucky is being an uncivilized savage, then? Hostile to expertise and those who have knowledge?

269 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 9:31:29pm
270 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 25, 2014 9:32:32pm

re: #260 BeenHereAwhile

Still waiting for the church of the Black Mamba.

It would have some kick-ass ceremonial garb.
Black Mamba

271 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 9:36:28pm
272 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 9:42:39pm

Umphrey’s McGee played “White Room” tonight.

RIP Jack Bruce

273 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 9:43:48pm

Incidentally, I saw Umphrey’s McGee play in Tulsa, OK on 19 April 2012, the same day Levon Helm had passed. They played “Cripple Creek” that night.

274 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 25, 2014 9:44:33pm

Chuckles has outed Kaci Wilcox as a “left-wing Democrat” whiner. Hard hitting journo-lizm at its worst.

275 Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2014 9:45:13pm
276 andres  Oct 25, 2014 9:47:09pm

re: #255 darthstar

Trolling telemarketers done right.

chrismaverick.com

OMG! I needed this laugh!

277 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 25, 2014 9:52:05pm

Amazing Examples of Redneck Engineering

This is number 5:

Redneck Cup Holder

278 garzooma  Oct 25, 2014 9:58:05pm

25 October 1415 (Saint Crispin’s Day): English Army outnumbered 5-1 fights and defeats the French at Agincourt.

25 October 1854: The Thin Red Streak, 500 British Sutherland Highlanders of the 93rd Regiment stop a Russian cavalry force of 2,500 at Balaklava in the Crimea.

25 October 1944: An outnumbered, outgunned American task force fights the main Japanese battle fleet led by the world’s largest battleship, the Yamato, off the island of Samar in Leyte Gulf and beats it.

25 October 2014: Panicked American public locks up a virus-free nurse.

One of these things is not like the others.

279 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 10:01:38pm

Well, east of the Mississippi River it’s Hillary Clinton’s birthday. Happy birthday.

280 BeachDem  Oct 25, 2014 10:06:37pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

With a little help from his whacko friends, he just might overtake Todd Kincannon as the most repulsive person around.

281 BeachDem  Oct 25, 2014 10:08:17pm

re: #279 teleskiguy

Well, east of the Mississippi River it’s Hillary Clinton’s birthday. Happy birthday.

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Odd that they only mention “a former first lady,” rather than Secretary of State or Senator.

282 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 25, 2014 10:08:38pm

283 teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2014 10:09:20pm

re: #281 BeachDem

Odd that they only mention “a former first lady,” rather than Secretary of State or Senator.

Would indicate a bias, yes.

284 sagehen  Oct 25, 2014 10:30:00pm

re: #283 teleskiguy

Would indicate a bias, yes.

Hillary Clinton is like the Dems’ version of GHWB.

She’s got the long resume, she’s got the personal relationships with Lord High Muckety Mucks around the world… but she’s 40 years removed from any experience of real life (she hasn’t driven a car or gone to the grocery store or flown coach since she was in grad school)…

And she has trouble with “the vision thing.” She running on basic competence; whatever happens across her desk, whatever occurs in the world, she’ll react to it. She probably won’t do anything really stupid. But she’ll be waiting for things to react to, she has no particular thing she thinks the country needs to do that she wants to be in place to get done.

285 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 25, 2014 10:32:51pm

re: #283 teleskiguy

They also failed to mention that she’s crossed the Commander-in-Chief threshold.

286 austin_blue  Oct 25, 2014 10:37:25pm

re: #284 sagehen

Hillary Clinton is like the Dems’ version of GHWB.

She’s got the long resume, she’s got the personal relationships with Lord High Muckety Mucks around the world… but she’s 40 years removed from any experience of real life (she hasn’t driven a car or gone to the grocery store or flown coach since she was in grad school)…

And she has trouble with “the vision thing.” She running on basic competence; whatever happens across her desk, whatever occurs in the world, she’ll react to it. She probably won’t do anything really stupid. But she’ll be waiting for things to react to, she has no particular thing she thinks the country needs to do that she wants to be in place to get done.

And yet, this makes her infinitely preferable to any Republican candidate being touted.

Pitiful, isn’t it?

287 austin_blue  Oct 25, 2014 10:43:01pm

We are deploying troops to West Africa to build and equip Ebola support centers. Will Cuomo and Christie treat returning troops (not health professionals and not savvy to the means of proper encapsulation in a very dangerous place) to the same treatment? Winter’s coming, John Snow, and plastic tents outside of Newark General are not a viable option.

288 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 25, 2014 11:01:17pm

Cuomo is the pol who really screwed the pooch on this one. Not only did he provide ammunition to the “there’s no difference between the two parties” crowd he also laid to rest the myth of the Plucky New Yorker.

289 austin_blue  Oct 25, 2014 11:07:15pm

Aaand… the Mormons have beaten the spoiled rich kids at USC with 8 seconds left on the clock. And TCU hanged 82 points on Texas Tech today. That ought to be a basketball score.

290 CuriousLurker  Oct 25, 2014 11:12:32pm

Meltdown in the Pages: littlegreenfootballs.com

291 austin_blue  Oct 25, 2014 11:19:26pm

re: #290 CuriousLurker

Meltdown in the Pages: littlegreenfootballs.com

“Ban me!”

Why don’t they just go away?

292 CuriousLurker  Oct 25, 2014 11:24:40pm

re: #291 austin_blue

Yeah, if we’re so worthless & effed up, why do they care so much about drama llama flouncing?

Youtube Video

293 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 25, 2014 11:31:50pm

re: #291 austin_blue

“Ban me!”

Why don’t they just go away?

Especially when there are so many other places, some of which may actually appreciate whatever it is the person has to share. As of July, 2012, there estimated to be 31,000,000 bloggers in the U.S. alone so it”s not as though they don’t have options. Hell, they could spend the rest of their lives posting “Good-bye, Cruel World!” 31 million times.

294 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 26, 2014 12:14:48am

So, I’m confused.

It’s a good thing for a state government to require quarantine of people who have treated Ebola patients, despite their not presenting symptoms of the disease.

It’s bad thing for a state government to require vaccinations against childhood diseases, despite the proven efficacy of such preventive measures.

It’s good thing to go into panic mode about a handful of Ebola-positive people in the USA.

It’s a bad thing to suggest anti-vaxxers are responsible for outbreaks of measles and whooping cough in the USA.

295 austin_blue  Oct 26, 2014 12:15:21am

re: #293 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Especially when there are so many other places, some of which may actually appreciate whatever it is the person has to share. As of July, 2012, there estimated to be 31,000,000 bloggers in the U.S. alone so it”s not as though they don’t have options. Hell, they could spend the rest of their lives posting “Good-bye, Cruel World!” 31 million times.

Because it’s all about me me me.

Duh.

I gots my feelers hurt.

296 austin_blue  Oct 26, 2014 12:26:02am

re: #294 wheat-dogghazi-bola

So, I’m confused.

It’s a good thing for a state government to require quarantine of people who have treated Ebola patients, despite their not presenting symptoms of the disease.

It’s bad thing for a state government to require vaccinations against childhood diseases, despite the proven efficacy of such preventive measures.

It’s good thing to go into panic mode about a handful of Ebola-positive people in the USA.

It’s a bad thing to suggest anti-vaxxers are responsible for outbreaks of measles and whooping cough in the USA.

That’s a pretty good definition of a cognitive disconnect, isn’t it?

If you could just make a connection that proved that Ebola survivors became autistic, you would be a hero to the anti-vaxxers across the length and breadth of Murika.

Wait, that would make no sense at all to the Anti-vaxxers, would it? No vaccines involved.

Hmmm..let me ponder on this insanity…

Well, ponder tomorrow. Bedtime. Sweet scaly dreams to all.

297 prairiefire  Oct 26, 2014 12:43:26am

re: #293 Higgs Boson’s Mate

If a blogger cries in the woods, does anyone hear?

298 goddamnedfrank  Oct 26, 2014 1:16:07am

re: #297 prairiefire

If a blogger cries in the woods, does anyone hear?

No, but eventually a bear will come along and take a dump on his posts.

299 Lidane  Oct 26, 2014 1:26:26am
300 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 2:40:05am

An interesting essay by C.S. Lewis, “Religion and Rocketry”.

301 freetoken  Oct 26, 2014 3:18:14am

re: #300 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I believe the Lewis is out of time, though. In his time he could cling to some sort of idea that he could harmonize his beliefs with modern science, but decades on other Christians, who even respect him, have done a good job trashing that idea.

302 freetoken  Oct 26, 2014 3:19:01am

Good ol’ fashioned Euro-bigotry:

Italy mayor wants separate buses for Roma

303 freetoken  Oct 26, 2014 3:20:34am

Another man out of time, and place:

Unusual candidate Micah Edmond carries torch for GOP in Va. congressional race

His political platform is not far from President Obama’s, but he wants to pretend he can be a modern Republican.

304 freetoken  Oct 26, 2014 3:26:06am

The Quarantining governor, running against President Obama:

In Iowa Christie bemoans ‘vacuum of leadership’

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie presented himself in sharp contrast to President Barack Obama in a fiery speech that sounded like the early makings of a presidential pitch.

Speaking from an Iowa stage to an audience that included some of the early voting state’s top powerbrokers, Christie painted the picture of a country hungry for leadership and a world adrift, with a feckless White House to blame.

“America used to control events both here at home and around the world. And now it seems that our fate is being dictated to us by others,” Christie said Saturday, bemoaning what he described as “an extraordinary vacuum of leadership in this country.”

[…]

America used to control the world - there’s a lot in that lust he expresses.

305 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 3:28:09am

re: #301 freetoken

I liked his stance against “theological imperialism” though.

306 freetoken  Oct 26, 2014 3:31:54am

re: #305 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I liked his stance against “theological imperialism” though.

In his day he had the luxury to say that and still be in the middle of the mainstream of religious institutions in this country and the UK and the rest of the Anglosphere.

Since then there has been even more parting of ways between fundamentalists and what I’ll label the modernizers of Christianity.

Today I think Lewis would find himself in a no-man’s land, faced with clear evidence that there was no Adam and Eve, that the stories of Noah and Moses and David (for the most part) were made up, and so forth.

307 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 26, 2014 3:44:38am

re: #306 freetoken

In his day he had the luxury to say that and still be in the middle of the mainstream of religious institutions in this country and the UK and the rest of the Anglosphere.

Since then there has been even more parting of ways between fundamentalists and what I’ll label the modernizers of Christianity.

Today I think Lewis would find himself in a no-man’s land, faced with clear evidence that there was no Adam and Eve, that the stories of Noah and Moses and David (for the most part) were made up, and so forth.

CS was an Oxford Don so I think you are giving him too little credit. I can’t read the essay in question till I get home from work but like the best modern theologians I bet he’d find a balance. Not all churches make you check your brains at the door.

308 freetoken  Oct 26, 2014 3:48:07am

re: #307 William Barnett-Lewis

Anyone cannot escape their times, though.

If Lewis was presented with the data that showed:
1) Adam and Eve did not exist, that humans did not descend from only two people;
2) The Exodus never happened;
3) King David either did not exist or was only a minor hill-top chieftan;

do you think he could have clung to his traditional belief system and be intellectually honest?

309 freetoken  Oct 26, 2014 3:49:33am

Mason Williams, of Classical Gas fame:

MP3 Audio

310 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 26, 2014 3:59:11am

re: #308 freetoken

Yes I do think he could. He was hardly as simple as he usually gets painted. His biggest problem would remain the same as ever in his life - survivors guilt from the trenches in France.

311 freetoken  Oct 26, 2014 4:16:04am

re: #310 William Barnett-Lewis

In the essay linked he touches on the subject of the “fall”, asking if only man fell and not all of nature.

In wrestling with the problem of evolution, in his day, Lewis could toy with the idea of an old earth and evolution as long as man was special.

Lewis is often invoked by some contemporary Christian thinkers who want to allow for evolution but keep traditional Protestant soteriology. But they do this by keeping man special.

Even Biologos has undergone a transformation since its founding, with the more religious staying and some of the more radical leaving. That’s why they’ve tried to come up with scenarios to try and keep man special, by having not a biological Adam and Eve but some nameless couple in the middle east who somehow were magically empowered with moral superiority and then somehow “fell”.

Today, if Lewis were confronted with the biology, he’d either have to go the way of the latter-day Protestant heretics (in the minds of fundamentalists), like Peter Enns or any of the other faculty that have had to leave their previous institutions on doctrinal grounds, or he’d join the fundamentalists.

I don’t know what Lewis would do if he knew what we know today. In The Great Divorce Lewis already toys with a vision of Hell and damnation that is somewhat removed from the fundamentalist/evangelical view. Perhaps Lewis would likewise have modernized, or become “liberal” as the fundamentalists would label it.

But the Lewis of 2014 still would not have been the Lewis of the 1950’s (when that book linked was published.) The Lewis of today would have to contend with much more awkward evidence (some of which I have raised) that the traditional Christian system, especially the Protestant one, fails in light of modern discoveries.

312 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 4:16:38am

re: #308 freetoken

To pick a more primitive example: he (along with many millions of other Christians) had already been confronted with the fact that the Earth was not 6-7.5 thousand years old, as indicated by the more plain reading of the Bible, and that there was no worldwide Flood. It would seem to be an “untruth” quite on the scale of the ones you list, yet I’m pretty sure he wasn’t bothered by it.

Faith will find a way…

313 freetoken  Oct 26, 2014 4:18:48am

re: #312 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

See my #311.

314 Timothy Watson  Oct 26, 2014 4:21:12am

re: #303 freetoken

Another man out of time, and place:

Unusual candidate Micah Edmond carries torch for GOP in Va. congressional race

His political platform is not far from President Obama’s, but he wants to pretend he can be a modern Republican.

Matthew Berry, who is gay, ran in the district as a Republican in 2010 but lost in the primary. He supported SSM and the repeal of DADT, and ended up losing the primary after his opponent, Pat Murray, sent out mailers and calls attacking Berry on his support for gay rights.

315 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 4:27:49am

re: #311 freetoken

Judging by this, he’d have become a “smart” fundie.

uncommondescent.com

316 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 26, 2014 4:34:05am

He’d have parted with the fundamentalists I think. Too much to list on my phone but there are too many irreconcilable differences between between him and them.

317 Decatur Deb  Oct 26, 2014 4:35:15am

re: #288 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Cuomo is the pol who really screwed the pooch on this one. Not only did he provide ammunition to the “there’s no difference between the two parties” crowd he also laid to rest the myth of the Plucky New Yorker.

The Plucky New Yorker lives south of the Tappan Zee bridge. Head the other way and you’re in Appalachia, for good and bad.

318 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 4:52:21am

Kaci Hickox got a nice Alumna write up in her college paper back in 2011…

Alumna Kaci Hickox goes beyond borders

Alumna Kaci Hickox spent her winter break aiding Yellow Fever patients in Uganda.

The outbreak in the east African country was so severe that Hickox was asked by Doctors Without Borders to do medical work in a clinic for a month.

This was the latest service she’s had with Doctors Without Borders in her four-year history with the organization.

Means that she has been volunteering with DWB/MSF since 2007, kind of destroys the idiots like Chuck claiming it is some kind of plot by the CDC. Said she always wanted to be a nurse overseas and doesn’t like being tied to one place for too long.

Also she was doing that 2011 volunteer work while studying for her dual master’s degree in nursing at Johns Hopkins University. No wonder the CDC picked her up for their two year trainee program, she has impressive credentials.

319 Decatur Deb  Oct 26, 2014 5:25:03am

re: #318 ausador

Kaci Hickox got a nice Alumna write up in her college paper back in 2011…

Alumna Kaci Hickox goes beyond borders

Means that she has been volunteering with DWB/MSF since 2007, kind of destroys the idiots like Chuck claiming it is some kind of plot by the CDC. Said she always wanted to be a nurse overseas and doesn’t like being tied to one place for too long.

Also she was doing that 2011 volunteer work while studying for her dual master’s degree in nursing at Johns Hopkins University. No wonder the CDC picked her up for their two year trainee program, she has impressive credentials.

Went to read the comments on her and MSF on the Daily Caller. They’re Freep with somewhat better spelling.

320 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 5:29:21am

Heh.

You will find that a good many Christian-political writers think that Christianity began going wrong, and departing from the doctrine of its Founder, at a very early stage. Now this idea must be used by us to encourage once again the conception of a “historical Jesus” to be found by clearing away later “accretions and perversions” and then to be contrasted with the whole Christian tradition. In the last generation we promoted the construction of such a “historical Jesus” on liberal and humanitarian lines; we are now putting forward a new “historical Jesus” on Marxian, catastrophic, and revolutionary lines. The advantages of these constructions, which we intend to change every thirty years or so, are manifold. In the first place they all tend to direct men’s devotion to something which does not exist, for each “historical Jesus” is unhistorical. The documents say what they say and cannot be added to; each new “historical Jesus” therefore has to be got out of them by suppression at one point and exaggeration at another, and by that sort of guessing (brilliant is the adjective we teach humans to apply to it) on which no one would risk ten shillings in ordinary life, but which is enough to produce a crop of new Napoleons, new Shakespeares, and new Swifts, in every publisher’s autumn list. In the second place, all such constructions place the importance of their Historical Jesus in some peculiar theory He is supposed to have promulgated. He has to be a “great man” in the modern sense of the word—one standing at the terminus of some centrifugal and imbalanced line of thought—a crank vending a panacea.

&c.

321 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 5:35:24am

Not a fundie, but certainly a reactionary.

322 freetoken  Oct 26, 2014 5:45:57am

re: #320 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

That point about the “historical Jesus” has always been true, I propose.

Especially for the original Gospel writers.

Lewis could accept the first sentence of mine, but never the second.

323 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 26, 2014 5:47:37am

re: #321 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Not a fundie, but certainly a reactionary.

True. Much like Tolkien and a large number of other survivors of the trenches of WWI. Tend to have that same anti-science bias too since they’d been rather up close an personal with things like mustard and maxims…

i don’t agree with those attitudes, obviously, but your not going to understand him or his attitudes without remembering what he and the others saw in France. A CS Lewis or JRR Tolkien with an education in the 70’s and no time in the trenches (and hence producing their master work now) would be very different men.

324 Decatur Deb  Oct 26, 2014 5:49:13am

re: #323 William Barnett-Lewis

True. Much like Tolkien and a large number of other survivors of the trenches of WWI. Tend to have that same anti-science bias too since they’d been rather up close an personal with things like mustard and maxims…

i don’t agree with those attitudes, obviously, but your not going to understand him or his attitudes without remembering what he and the others saw in France. A CS Lewis or JRR Tolkien with an education in the 70’s and no time in the trenches (and hence producing their master work now) would be very different men.

They wouldn’t be producing masterworks—they’d be recapping Twilight.

325 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 5:51:57am

re: #322 freetoken

Except we might critique the “quest” from the “left”, whereas he - from the “right”.

326 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 26, 2014 5:52:22am

re: #322 freetoken

One thing I’ve been studying a lot lately is a small document called The Didache. It’s a very early, possibly earliest, document of what Christianity was like as the first gentiles were joining with a small Jewish pharisee sect. It’s before the NT was written down and shows no evidence of Paul being known to them. James & the oral form of the Quelle source probably were. It’s an interesting read in the light of all the many & varied “historical” Jesus-es.

327 freetoken  Oct 26, 2014 5:58:35am

re: #325 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Except we might critique the “quest” from the “left”, whereas he - from the “right”.

Yes.

My point is that the “quest” actually started around 90AD, with the original Gospels.

328 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 5:59:37am

re: #326 William Barnett-Lewis

You will probably find this new open journal vv interesting.

Journal of the Jesus Movement in its Jewish Setting

329 freetoken  Oct 26, 2014 6:08:03am

re: #326 William Barnett-Lewis

The Didache is well known and studied but many lay people (those not into the subject) may not have heard of it.

I’ve given out this link before, but I’ll put here again:
earlychristianwritings.com

It gives the plethora of early religious writings associated with Christianity.

One can make a good case that various hyper-religious Jewish cults gave birth to many of the basic teachings of what became Christianity, but some of the early writings turn strongly anti-Jewish, and therein lay a conundrum that can only be solved by accepting that the Christianity that survived was a syncretic
production of both Jews and non-Jews.

When I view the violent religious fervor in the Middle East today, I say to myself ‘yeah, and that’s how is was 2000 years ago too.’

330 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 6:09:13am

re: #316 William Barnett-Lewis

He’d have parted with the fundamentalists I think. Too much to list on my phone but there are too many irreconcilable differences between between him and them.

He was Catholic Anglican, which tends to provide some barrier against fundamentalism. Lewis also did not have the intense need for rejectionism that drives many American Fundamentalists. Those guys say their problem is with evolution, but really it has to do with their feelings about the US federal government.

331 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 6:10:54am

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

He was Catholic

Ahem.

332 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 26, 2014 6:14:40am

re: #328 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

You will probably find this new open journal vv interesting.

Journal of the Jesus Movement in its Jewish Setting

Cool! Thanks!

333 freetoken  Oct 26, 2014 6:15:01am

Anglicans, Catholics … what’s the difference…

334 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 26, 2014 6:15:16am

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

He was Catholic, which tends to provide some barrier against fundamentalism. Lewis also did not have the intense need for rejectionism that drives many American Fundamentalists. Those guys say their problem is with evolution, but really it has to do with their feelings about the US federal government.

Anglican. His buddy Tolkien was highly annoyed that he went to Canturbury rather than Rome.

335 Lidane  Oct 26, 2014 6:15:31am

re: #318 ausador

Kaci Hickox got a nice Alumna write up in her college paper back in 2011…

Alumna Kaci Hickox goes beyond borders

Means that she has been volunteering with DWB/MSF since 2007, kind of destroys the idiots like Chuck claiming it is some kind of plot by the CDC. Said she always wanted to be a nurse overseas and doesn’t like being tied to one place for too long.

Also she was doing that 2011 volunteer work while studying for her dual master’s degree in nursing at Johns Hopkins University. No wonder the CDC picked her up for their two year trainee program, she has impressive credentials.

I’ve seen wingnuts try to treat DWB/MSF like their fantasy of the Peace Corps, or of taking a gap year to backpack overseas. They say it’s just a resume fluffing vacation.

Morons.

336 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 6:16:54am

re: #324 Decatur Deb

They wouldn’t be producing masterworks—they’d be recapping Twilight.

And therein, lies the rub. Lewis and Tolkein were great because of what they overcame. They both wrote in part to get away from the pain they felt from having lived when their friends died. It was their way of overcoming despair.

And overcome it they did! Both men’s body of fiction work is about sentient beings striving to overcome their limitations and make themselves and the world a better place. That’s part of their greatness: The use of fantastic settings and great quests to teach lessons that people need to learn.

337 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 6:17:42am

re: #332 William Barnett-Lewis

Cool! Thanks!

Zetterholm’s article should be of particular interest, for it deals with the essential “Jewishness” of Didascalia - a Didache-based document.

338 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 6:18:17am

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

He was Catholic Anglican, which tends to provide some barrier against fundamentalism. Lewis also did not have the intense need for rejectionism that drives many American Fundamentalists. Those guys say their problem is with evolution, but really it has to do with their feelings about the US federal government.

Thanks guys, post edited.

339 Eventual Carrion  Oct 26, 2014 6:19:23am

re: #272 teleskiguy

Umphrey’s McGee played “White Room” tonight.

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RIP Jack Bruce

Looks like some of my play lists in my notebook. Crossed out, arrows going top to bottom. Do I feel like lugging the 12 string around tonight?

340 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 6:19:38am

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, he was closer to the Catholics in some respects. Almost a Catholic in an Anglican clothing, as it were ;)

341 Sionainn  Oct 26, 2014 6:20:12am

re: #318 ausador

Kaci Hickox got a nice Alumna write up in her college paper back in 2011…

Alumna Kaci Hickox goes beyond borders

Means that she has been volunteering with DWB/MSF since 2007, kind of destroys the idiots like Chuck claiming it is some kind of plot by the CDC. Said she always wanted to be a nurse overseas and doesn’t like being tied to one place for too long.

Also she was doing that 2011 volunteer work while studying for her dual master’s degree in nursing at Johns Hopkins University. No wonder the CDC picked her up for their two year trainee program, she has impressive credentials.

Good to see you in the comments section fighting the good fight. I’ve got to leave there to get to work, but wanted to let me know you made my day. :-)

342 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 26, 2014 6:20:29am

re: #329 freetoken

Looks like a really good resource at that link. Thank you for it.

There was a comment in a book I was reading recently (it may be the Jewish Commentary on the New Testament that I have) to the effect that you don’t have arguments like Jesus had with the Pharisees unless you see yourselves as members of the the same tribe. The later schism with the synagogues and the destruction of Jerusalem had a profound and often negative effect on the material being written down that would become the Gospels. Even the very Jewish at it’s core Gospel of Matthew was infected at that time.

343 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 26, 2014 6:22:31am

re: #333 freetoken

Anglicans, Catholics … what’s the difference…

< Eyebrow raised > We are reformed Catholics, thank you very much. We have a very nice middle way between the extremists of both ilk. /// only sort of sarc, there is less difference since the Oxford movement but we are still quite separate on issues of magisterium and ecclesiastical polity.

344 Decatur Deb  Oct 26, 2014 6:23:03am

re: #333 freetoken

Anglicans, Catholics … what’s the difference…

A small mound of heads and ashes.

345 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 6:23:36am

re: #342 William Barnett-Lewis

And yet Jewish Christians seem to have survived for a couple of centuries afterwards. Indeed, Epiphanius mentions them, calling them Nazarenes.

346 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 26, 2014 6:24:54am

re: #344 Decatur Deb

A small mound of heads and ashes.

Oy. IF Mary had played nice, the English would have turned back to Rome easily. But she didn’t and it rather made Elizabeth (another good spikey anglo-catholic in hiding) play the middle road policy,

347 Mattand  Oct 26, 2014 6:25:09am

As a New Jersey resident, allow me to register my utter disgust that my governor is basically torturing a woman because Ebola booga booga.

If you ever needed a more perfect description of how the GOP operates these days (fear and ignorance masquerading as leadership), here you go.

And Christie is what passes for one of the moderate ones. We are so fucked if these people get control of government again.

348 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 6:28:59am
7,1 But these sectarians whom I am now sketching disregarded the
name of Jesus, and did not call themselves Jessaeans, keep the name of
Jews, or term themselves Christians-but “Nazoraeans,” from the
place-name, “Nazareth,” if you please! However they are simply com-
plete Jews.

7,2 They use not only the New Testament but the Old Testament as
well,: as the Jews do. For unlike the previous sectarians, they do not
repudiate the legislation, the prophets, and the books Jews call
”Writings.” They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly
as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion-except for their belief
in Christ, if you please! (3) For they acknowledge both the resurrection
of the dead and the divine creation of all things , and declare that God
is one, and that his Son is Jesus Christ.

7,4 They are trained to a nicety in Hebrew. For among them the en-
tire Law, the prophets, and the so-called Writings-I mean the poetic
books, Kings, Chronicles, Esther and all the rest-are read in Hebrew,
as they surely are by Jews. (5) They are different from Jews, and dif-
ferent from Christians, only in the following. They disagree with Jews
because they have come to faith in Christ; but since they are still
fettered
by the Law-circumcision, the Sabbath, and the rest -they are not in
accord with Christians. (6) As to Christ, I cannot say whether they too
are captives of the wickedness of Cerinthus and Merinthus, and regard
him as a mere man-or whether, as the truth is, they affirm his birth of
Mary by the Holy Spirit.

7,7 Today this sect of the Nazoraeans is found in Beroea near
Coelesyria, in the Decapolis near Pella, and in Bashanitis at the place
called Cocabe-Khokhabe in Hebrew. (8) For that was its place of
origin, since all the disciples had settled in Pella after they left
Jerusalem-Christ told them to abandon Jerusalem and withdraw from
it because of its coming siege. And they settled in Peraea for this reason
and, as I said, spent their lives there. That was where the Nazoraean sect
began.

8,1 But they too are wrong to boast of circumcision, and persons like
themselves are still ”under a curse, ” since they cannot fulfil the Law.
For how can they fulfil the Law’s provision, “Thrice a year thou shalt
appear before the Lord thy God, at the feasts of Unleavened Bread,
Tabernacles and Pentecost,” on the site of Jerusalem? (2) As the
site is closed off,” and the Law’s provisions cannot be fulfilled,
anyone with
sense can see that Christ came to be the Law’s fulfiller-not to destroy
the Law, but to fulfill the Law-and to lift the curse that had been put
on transgression of the Law. (3) For after Moses had given every com-
mandment he came to the point of the book and “included the whole in
a curse” with the words, ”Cursed is he that continueth not in all the
words that are written in this book to do them.”“

349 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 26, 2014 6:30:04am

re: #337 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Zetterholm’s article should be of particular interest, for it deals with the essential “Jewishness” of Didascalia - a Didache-based document.

My toner cartridge is going to hate you :D

350 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 26, 2014 6:32:47am

re: #337 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Zetterholm’s article should be of particular interest, for it deals with the essential “Jewishness” of Didascalia - a Didache-based document.

Oh, and that article on the Epistle of James looks promising as well.

351 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 6:33:37am

re: #350 William Barnett-Lewis

There are pdf versions there, they may be easy to miss.

352 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 26, 2014 6:35:17am

re: #351 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

There are pdf versions there, they may be easy to miss.

All downloaded & spooling out to the laser printer… ;)

353 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 6:35:55am

re: #347 Mattand

As a New Jersey resident, allow me to register my utter disgust that my governor is basically torturing a woman because Ebola booga booga.

If you ever needed a more perfect description of how the GOP operates these days (fear and ignorance masquerading as leadership), here you go.

And Christie is what passes for one of the moderate ones. We are so fucked if these people get control of government again.

As Charles has pointed out, this is one issue where Democrats are little if at all better. It’s really not about either party, its about the media and the public. Right now, the public in New York and New Jersey is in a media-driven panic about Ebola. The governors of those states are trying to get ahead of the panicked herd so they can be seen as leading. Most politicians would (and are) doing likewise. Those that don’t will be seen as callous to public fears and risk receiving the dreaded label “out of touch”.

354 ipsos  Oct 26, 2014 6:39:22am

As an upstate New Yorker and registered Democrat, I was very happy to be able to vote against Andrew Cuomo in the primary. My assumption at the time was that I’d hold my nose and vote for Cuomo in the general, just so the execrable Rob Astorino, the Republican challenger, doesn’t win my county (he won’t win the state, no-how, no-way, thanks to the huge downstate D vote.)

Now? Eff him. I’ll either not cast a ballot at all for governor, or I’ll vote Green. Pandering to fear doesn’t win MY vote. Ever.

355 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 6:40:13am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

Those who think that quarantine as such is unnecessary will agree with this.

However, it’s one thing to quarantine someone (a measure with which I happen to agree in principle). It’s another to quarantine someone in a fucking tent. It need not be Ritz-Carlton (albeit that is an option), but provide something decent. The Dems agreed with the quarantine, but not with the implementation.

356 Lidane  Oct 26, 2014 6:43:38am
357 lawhawk  Oct 26, 2014 6:48:09am

re: #355 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Cuomo put the same kinds of conditions in place, and we’re yet to see what they are doing in NY - what facilities they’ve put in place.

Heck, they could have put people up at a hotel nearby - buy a block or wing of rooms for that purpose. Instead Christie had them set up a tent that was without heat and would be in violation of state law in NY for landlords not providing heat when temperatures fall.

Cuomo and Christie are both making this decision out of fear and the appearance of doing something to stop Ebola.

The only way to truly stop Ebola is to send more resources to West Africa to help them build up their health infrastructure, get the kinds of gear that they need in abundant supply (they’re frequently reusing or rationing isolation gear to the sickest of patients first, because they don’t have enough even now), and help get people to understand that the disease is survivable if they have access to modern medical systems/practices.

That’s how this outbreak will end. Not with quarantines at the border that will still not stop the disease from ravaging West Africa.

358 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 6:50:41am

re: #357 Vogon Poetry

OK, but Cuomo is just one D, not “the Dems”.

359 Mattand  Oct 26, 2014 6:51:01am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

Cuomo acting like an idiot doesn’t excuse Christie acting like one. Also, as far as I know, Cuomo hasn’t imprisoned anyone in a tent in 50 degree weather.

I live in NJ. My pressing concern is my governor, who most likely will start embracing the most ignorant GOP views to get the POTUS nomination.

360 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 6:52:27am

re: #355 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Those who think that quarantine as such is unnecessary will agree with this.

However, it’s one thing to quarantine someone (a measure with which I happen to agree in principle). It’s another to quarantine someone in a fucking tent. It need not be Ritz-Carlton (albeit that is an option), but provide something decent. The Dems agreed with the quarantine, but not with the implementation.

Since she has no symptoms and currently tests negative why not just let her go home with a quarantine order to remain there? That is what she says she was planning to do anyway, why keep her in New Jersey at all?

361 Mattand  Oct 26, 2014 6:55:15am

re: #359 Mattand

Reacting to a health crisis like a Fox News mannequin is not leadership.

362 Amory Blaine  Oct 26, 2014 6:56:55am

Heh. Mom made up a bunch of these t-shirts for her friends. I told her about Poe’s law, which added a whole new dimension for her.

363 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 7:00:58am

re: #362 Amory Blaine

Heh. Mom made up a bunch of these for her friends. I told her about Poe’s law, which added a whole new dimension for her.[Embedded image]

And if I replaced the name “Scott Walker” on those shirts with “Michael Madigan” (the (D) Speaker of the Illinois House), how would you react?

364 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 7:01:10am

re: #360 ausador

I don’t see any problem with making the probability of a contagion smaller through a limited involuntary quarantine. If the tests were conclusive, there would be no need for a self-imposed quarantine in this or earlier cases, all one had to do is get tested, but it obviously didn’t work for Dr. Spencer, for example. But, of course, the quarantine conditions should be top-notch, and it need not be in NJ.

365 Amory Blaine  Oct 26, 2014 7:02:37am

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

I’d say you have awesome embroidery skills my friend.

366 urbanmeemaw  Oct 26, 2014 7:13:54am

re: #80 wrenchwitch

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Thanks so much, WW. I needed that on so many levels this morning!!!! It is so true. So true.

367 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 7:14:37am

re: #365 Amory Blaine

I’d say you have awesome embroidery skills my friend.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is a truly artful dodge.

368 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 7:32:48am

Mornin’ everyone…It’s football Sunday…let’s remember how the sport serves to teach our children good values…

369 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 7:43:21am

re: #368 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone…It’s football Sunday…let’s remember how the sport serves to teach our children good values…

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370 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 7:44:50am

re: #369 Dark_Falcon

That said, I find the image of a child in blackface hauling a doll by the hair while wearing a Ray Rice jersey to be utterly appalling. What parent lets their child do that?

371 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 7:45:44am

re: #364 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I don’t see any problem with making the probability of a contagion smaller through a limited involuntary quarantine. If the tests were conclusive, there would be no need for a self-imposed quarantine in this or earlier cases, all one had to do is get tested, but it obviously didn’t work for Dr. Spencer, for example. But, of course, the quarantine conditions should be top-notch, and it need not be in NJ.

Early test is not proof someone wont develop the illness later, just shows no anti-bodies to virus in bloodstream yet. It is proof they aren’t sick right that minute and could still travel safely for short duration.

372 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 7:46:02am

re: #369 Dark_Falcon

Oh, I’m voting and I’m voting Republican.

At this stage it’s like voting for Putin.

373 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 7:46:57am

re: #371 ausador

Oh, they should be able to, supervised. Christie and Cuomo are dicks, no doubt there.

374 Eventual Carrion  Oct 26, 2014 7:48:09am

Nice

375 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 7:50:14am

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

That said, I find the image of a child in blackface hauling a doll by the hair while wearing a Ray Rice jersey to be utterly appalling. What parent lets their child do that?

A Republican one?

376 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 7:51:05am

re: #372 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

At this stage it’s like voting for Putin.

Putin represents the American ideal of the GOP unlike that commie Obama.

377 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 7:51:09am

re: #375 darthstar

A Republican one?

Quite a lot of the so-called, ahem, independents too.

378 Sionainn  Oct 26, 2014 7:51:58am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

As Charles has pointed out, this is one issue where Democrats are little if at all better. It’s really not about either party, its about the media and the public. Right now, the public in New York and New Jersey is in a media-driven panic about Ebola. The governors of those states are trying to get ahead of the panicked herd so they can be seen as leading. Most politicians would (and are) doing likewise. Those that don’t will be seen as callous to public fears and risk receiving the dreaded label “out of touch”.

Oh, don’t go all MBF on us. The assholes in the comments section making rotten remarks are definitely conservatives. That’s your side. Own it.

379 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 7:52:26am

re: #376 darthstar

Putin represents the American ideal of the GOP unlike that commie Obama.

They may not agree with a few (very, very few) of his lefty-ish positions, plus his gun control. But otherwise he’s their guy.

380 Sionainn  Oct 26, 2014 7:54:06am

re: #360 ausador

Since she has no symptoms and currently tests negative why not just let her go home with a quarantine order to remain there? That is what she says she was planning to do anyway, why keep her in New Jersey at all?

Exactly. But that’s common sense which we know isn’t so common.

381 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 7:55:22am

re: #378 Sionainn

Oh, don’t go all MBF on us. The assholes in the comments section making rotten remarks are definitely conservatives. That’s your side. Own it.

And the public isn’t panicking. It’s the politicians.

Speaking of Ebola, I was flying Tuesday morning on business and this guy gets behind me in the scurity line at the airport, pulls out a surgical mask, and puts it over his face (because EBOLA!). Me, being me, thought it was a perfect opportunity for a facebook status update with a selfie, and when I lifted my phone to snap the photo, do you know what that bastard did? He fuckin’ ducked! Ruined the shot. I needed his masked face in the background.

382 Sionainn  Oct 26, 2014 7:56:23am

re: #369 Dark_Falcon

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Yeah, you are voting Republican…voting for fear, voting for discrimination, voting against women’s rights. Go, you. *spits*

383 Decatur Deb  Oct 26, 2014 7:57:29am

re: #360 ausador

Since she has no symptoms and currently tests negative why not just let her go home with a quarantine order to remain there? That is what she says she was planning to do anyway, why keep her in New Jersey at all?

She’s from a Dallas area school. If she reads the comments at the Dallas News blog, she might not want to return there.

dallasnews.com

384 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 7:58:13am

re: #379 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

They may not agree with a few (very, very few) of his lefty-ish positions, plus his gun control. But otherwise he’s their guy.

Well, he’s also got that white thing going for him.

385 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 7:58:13am

re: #378 Sionainn

You know I don’t read the comments section most the time. Only if it is well-policed is a comment section worth reading. Otherwise the tend to be sewers.

386 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Oct 26, 2014 7:58:29am

re: #381 darthstar

You sure it was because of Ebola? During my years in Moscow I’ve seen the masked types a few times. Not sure what their issue was.

387 Sionainn  Oct 26, 2014 8:00:05am

re: #385 Dark_Falcon

You know I don’t read the comments section most the time. Only if it is well-policed is a comment section worth reading. Otherwise the tend to be sewers.

Well, then you can take my word for it that it’s conservatives who are doing the massive freakout about Ebola.

388 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 8:02:33am

re: #386 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

You sure it was because of Ebola? During my years in Moscow I’ve seen the masked types a few times. Not sure what their issue was.

Good point. I hadn’t considered malaria and dengue fever as possible fears. I see plenty of people who wear surgical masks in public. I just don’t want it to become the norm.

389 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 8:03:39am

re: #387 Sionainn

Well, then you can take my word for it that it’s conservatives who are doing the massive freakout about Ebola.

They’re only freaking out over Ebola because they think they can score points against Obama with it. After next Tuesday they’ll go back to not giving a shit…just like they already do about Africa.

390 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 26, 2014 8:05:47am

re: #369 Dark_Falcon

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I’ve already canceled out your GOP votes, D_F.

391 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 8:07:42am

There’s a good article over at LGF about the nurse under quarantine. Go Check it out.

392 Decatur Deb  Oct 26, 2014 8:09:13am

Interesting that the WSJ quotes a hospital spokesbot as denying the ‘tent’, unless she counts a tent as a building. Christie’s statement also pulls a couple fast ones, referring to her as a ‘patient’, and hoping she recovers soon.

online.wsj.com

393 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 8:10:44am

re: #390 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

I’ve already canceled out your GOP votes, D_F.

Ouch. Talk about making elections personal. Out of the thousands of people I could cancel, I chose you. Every vote counts…but yours.

That might work as a motivator.

394 Vicious Piebola  Oct 26, 2014 8:11:43am

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

That said, I find the image of a child in blackface hauling a doll by the hair while wearing a Ray Rice jersey to be utterly appalling. What parent lets their child do that?

These parents, obvs

395 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 8:12:04am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

She’s from Dallas, right now. If she reads the comments at the Dallas News blog, she might not want to return there.

dallasnews.com

I’ve been commenting there since the early AM hours trying to hit back against the flood of trolls from Drudge and Breitbart.

396 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 8:12:22am

re: #390 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

I’ve already canceled out your GOP votes, D_F.

Do you live in the same state and federal legislative districts that I live in?

397 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 8:18:48am
398 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 8:22:51am
399 BigPapa  Oct 26, 2014 8:26:41am
400 Romantic Heretic  Oct 26, 2014 8:31:06am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

As Charles has pointed out, this is one issue where Democrats are little if at all better. It’s really not about either party, its about the media and the public. Right now, the public in New York and New Jersey is in a media-driven panic about Ebola. The governors of those states are trying to get ahead of the panicked herd so they can be seen as leading. Most politicians would (and are) doing likewise. Those that don’t will be seen as callous to public fears and risk receiving the dreaded label “out of touch”.

Thanks to the media it’s the public that’s out of touch.

401 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 8:33:57am

Asshole thinks its OK to call a man wearing a pink shirt ‘gay’ in Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport and then kick him. Gay-basher finds out he’s wrong:

A homophobic passenger at a Texas airport had to be subdued by a group of spectators on Thursday after he began bullying and assaulting a man waiting to board his flight.

Footage on YouTube of the brawl at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport shows a man teasing another passenger for wearing a pink shirt at Gate 30 in Terminal C.

The unprovoked ringleader of the fight can be seen removing his jacket as he continues to shout at the man in the pink shirt.

A concerned onlooker in a black cowboy hat then asks what the screaming man what he is so upset about.

‘Queers is what I am upset about! This f****t right here!’ said the man, motioning at the innocent man in the pink shirt.

‘Show it up your a** man,’ the attacker, who appeared intoxicated, yelled.

Here’s the video:

dailymail.co.uk

The thug proves to be someone truly at home with his bigotry. Happily, those around him refused to let him get away with his misdeeds, the police arrived promptly, and the asshole got carted off to jail.

402 Romantic Heretic  Oct 26, 2014 8:34:13am

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

And if I replaced the name “Scott Walker” on those shirts with “Michael Madigan” (the (D) Speaker of the Illinois House), how would you react?

With an eye roll at the MBF invocation.

Madigan isn’t doing things like busting unions and fucking with the voter rolls.

403 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 26, 2014 8:36:05am

re: #389 darthstar

They’re only freaking out over Ebola because they think they can score points against Obama with it. After next Tuesday they’ll go back to not giving a shit…just like they already do about Africa.

Just as they stopped giving a shit about Afghanistan the minute that the Russians withdrew.

404 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 26, 2014 8:37:49am

re: #396 Dark_Falcon

Do you live in the same state and federal legislative districts that I live in?

Same state, but I can’t cancel out your legislative votes. But I damn sure did cancel out your Rauner vote and probably your amendment votes. I was even thinking of you when I hit the touchscreen! :P

405 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 8:42:08am

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

Okay…they frog-marched him out with relatively zero concern for his comfort. That made the video worth watching. Making a racist remark while being cuffed by a black police officer is never a good idea, by the way. #TheMoreYouKnow

‘You want me to tell you the reason why I did it? Because this is America, that’s why. The same reason you get to live to breathe to walk black’ he said with fury.

406 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 8:46:02am

re: #405 darthstar

Okay…they frog-marched him out with relatively zero concern for his comfort. That made the video worth watching. Making a racist remark while being cuffed by a black police officer is never a good idea, by the way. #TheMoreYouKnow

Well, we see and hear him being racist and anti-gay. All we’d need would be sexism or Islamophobia and he’d have the (ass)hat trick.

407 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 8:46:35am

re: #396 Dark_Falcon

Do you live in the same state and federal legislative districts that I live in?

Boy…that’s gotta make you wonder if you should vote at all, D_F…then again…if you haven’t voted yet you’ll be canceling his vote, not the other way around! Think how awesome that will feel. Definitely wait until the last minute though…for maximum effect.

408 Teukka  Oct 26, 2014 8:48:21am

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

Asshole thinks its OK to call a man wearing a pink shirt ‘gay’ in Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport and then kick him. Gay-basher finds out he’s wrong:

Here’s the video:

dailymail.co.uk

The thug proves to be someone truly at home with his bigotry. Happily, those around him refused to let him get away with his misdeeds, the police arrived promptly, and the asshole got carted off to jail.

It wasn’t that long ago we had a similar incident in Sweden, a racist woman attacked an immigrant at a local game store…
expressen.se (Swedish)

Seems this kind of people is beginning to crawl more and more out in the open.

409 BigPapa  Oct 26, 2014 8:50:46am

re: #408 Teukka

Seems this kind of people is beginning to crawl more and more out in the open.

Because it’s OK. More people in the media spouting the hate, it’s becoming mainstream.

410 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 26, 2014 8:54:24am

re: #407 darthstar

Boy…that’s gotta make you wonder if you should vote at all, D_F…then again…if you haven’t voted yet you’ll be canceling his vote, not the other way around! Think how awesome that will feel. Definitely wait until the last minute though…for maximum effect.

I really do not like the idea of personalizing a vote like this. Voting is the responsibility of every citizen and a proud legacy of western civilization going back over 3,000 years.

Reducing it to some sort of spite contest on a message thread does not sit right with me.

411 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 8:55:33am

re: #407 darthstar

Boy…that’s gotta make you wonder if you should vote at all, D_F…then again…if you haven’t voted yet you’ll be canceling his vote, not the other way around! Think how awesome that will feel. Definitely wait until the last minute though…for maximum effect.

I’m not voting to cancel out someone else’s vote, I’m voting for candidates I think will be the best fits for the jobs. This year that means that I have to vote for the left-wing Jan Schakowsky for Congress, because myself and too many other primary voters voted for a nutcase in the GOP primary because the nutcase happens to be a woman. So in the general election I have to vote for a liberal Democrat (Schakowsky) as penance.

412 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 26, 2014 8:55:54am

re: #410 Aunty Entity Dragon

I really do not like the idea of personalizing a vote like this. Voting is the responsibility of every citizen and a proud legacy of western civilization going back over 3,000 years.

Reducing it to some sort of spite contest on a message thread does not sit right with me.

QFT.

413 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 8:56:18am

re: #410 Aunty Entity Dragon

I really do not like the idea of personalizing a vote like this. Voting is the responsibility of every citizen and a proud legacy of western civilization going back over 3,000 years.

Reducing it to some sort of spite contest on a message thread does not sit right with me.

Quite Concur. Thank you, CD.

414 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 8:58:51am

re: #410 Aunty Entity Dragon

I really do not like the idea of personalizing a vote like this. Voting is the responsibility of every citizen and a proud legacy of western civilization going back over 3,000 years.

Reducing it to some sort of spite contest on a message thread does not sit right with me.

It’s just a little internet teasing. I know as well as the next person that D_F really believes in the ever-changing Republican message and platform, whatever it is at the moment. That’s what makes him entertaining at times.

415 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 26, 2014 9:05:33am

re: #414 darthstar

It’s just a little internet teasing. I know as well as the next person that D_F really believes in the ever-changing Republican message and platform, whatever it is at the moment. That’s what makes him entertaining at times.

We can all take a little ribbing and D-F is a grown up. That was just my take on it. Voting is serious business (or it should be) and I want D-F to do his duty as a citizen even if my vote is exactly the opposite.

416 allegro  Oct 26, 2014 9:06:30am

re: #386 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

You sure it was because of Ebola? During my years in Moscow I’ve seen the masked types a few times. Not sure what their issue was.

Some people with compromised immune systems, like those who are on chemotherapy, etc. will wear masks to help protect them from any kind of airborne germ.

417 darthstar  Oct 26, 2014 9:12:00am

re: #413 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Thank you, CD.

No harm meant, D_F…your vote does matter.

418 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 9:12:28am

re: #417 darthstar

No harm meant, D_F…your vote does matter.

No harm done, DS.

419 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 26, 2014 9:13:25am

re: #398 darthstar

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I hear that Texas Tech students and other Lubbockites staged their usual city-wide football night riot/celebration, despite having nothing to celebrate.
At least the police blotter would seem to indicate so, with numerous fights, many DUI arrests, and several incidents of vandalism. The giant liquor distributors on the outskirts of town were no doubt delighted. (one of the latter maintains a 100K sq. ft. warehouse for hard liquor alone.)

420 Vicious Piebola  Oct 26, 2014 9:13:47am

Well, I tried to set up my new Xfinity cable modem/router/access point and experienced failure, so I reconnected the old cable modem & cisco router.

421 Decatur Deb  Oct 26, 2014 9:16:01am

re: #420 Vicious Piebola

Well, I tried to set up my new Xfinity cable modem/router/access point and experienced failure, so I reconnected the old cable modem & cisco router.

Bummer. Mine is sitting in the box.

422 allegro  Oct 26, 2014 9:25:04am

So last night’s grill party was a great success. Almost have everything cleaned up and ready for the football mini-party starting in a half hour. But I can’t find my salt & pepper shakers. Anywhere. Tis a puzzlement.

423 Vicious Piebola  Oct 26, 2014 9:33:42am

This SET UP YOUR OWN NEW CABLE ACCESS POINT is supposed to be for idiots.

I’ll have to find an idiot.

424 Bear  Oct 26, 2014 9:36:39am

re: #423 Vicious Piebola

This SET UP YOUR OWN NEW CABLE ACCESS POINT is supposed to be for idiots.

I’ll have to find an idiot.

That should not be much of a problem //

425 Vicious Piebola  Oct 26, 2014 9:36:57am

re: #424 Bear

That should not be much of a problem //

I’ll ask around on #tcot

426 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 9:38:50am

Funny how things work in this country with one side exhibiting bi-polar like issues…

427 Decatur Deb  Oct 26, 2014 9:40:21am

re: #426 ausador

Funny how things work in this country with one side exhibiting bi-polar like issues…

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Prez needs to float a quarantine contingency plan with FEMA as the lead agency.

428 Dr Lizardo  Oct 26, 2014 9:41:41am

re: #427 Decatur Deb

Prez needs to float a quarantine contingency plan with FEMA as the lead agency.

Watch the wingnuts scream bloody murder if that happens. Alex Jones will have a full-on paranoiagasm.

429 allegro  Oct 26, 2014 9:41:51am

Buddy had a blast last night. This is him now…

morning after

430 Decatur Deb  Oct 26, 2014 9:42:15am

re: #428 Dr Lizardo

Watch the wingnuts scream bloody murder if that happens. Alex Jones will have a full-on paranoiagasm.

Reason enough.

431 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 9:43:19am

Was he heckling him?… ///

432 Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2014 9:43:49am

re: #429 allegro

Buddy has a blast last night. This is him now…

morning after

And in a couple hours, he’ll wake up with that look on his face that says “What the hell did I do last night?”

433 allegro  Oct 26, 2014 9:51:16am

re: #432 Targetpractice

And in a couple hours, he’ll wake up with that look on his face that says “What the hell did I do last night?”

Like mother, like son. %)

434 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 9:53:21am

It would just be so sweet to watch Mitch get the axe this election, sigh…

435 bill d  Oct 26, 2014 9:56:18am

re: #426 ausador

Funny how things work in this country with one side exhibiting bi-polar like issues…

[Embedded content]

YOU CAN LOCK ME UP IN NON MEDICALLY WARRANTED QUARANTINE IN THE COLD FOR WEEKS ON END BUT DON’T DARE TRY AND LEGISLATE THE TINIEST OF REASONABLE GUN LAWS WE NEED THOSE TO PREVENT GOVERNMENT OVERREACH!!

436 BigPapa  Oct 26, 2014 9:58:28am

re: #434 ausador

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT VOTE FOR THE USURPER IN CHIEF MUSLIM DESTROYER OF DEMOCRACYS?

437 bill d  Oct 26, 2014 9:58:36am

re: #427 Decatur Deb

Prez needs to float a quarantine contingency plan with FEMA as the lead agency.

Welcome to the FEMAEbola Camp

//

Now we know how to get the bedwetting wingnuts to line up and justify those camps.

438 BeenHereAwhile  Oct 26, 2014 10:02:45am

re: #405 darthstar

Okay…they frog-marched him out with relatively zero concern for his comfort. That made the video worth watching. Making a racist remark while being cuffed by a black police officer is never a good idea, by the way. #TheMoreYouKnow

Police SOP while booking that type of arrestee, is to tell the booking officer, “by the way, this guy is an asshole.”

Every jail has a special cell, with interesting inmates, for assholes.

439 bratwurst  Oct 26, 2014 10:03:46am
440 De Kolta Chair  Oct 26, 2014 10:06:56am

Ebola panic prevention kit

441 Vicious Piebola  Oct 26, 2014 10:11:24am

Great way to celebrate the Lord’s Day

442 Decatur Deb  Oct 26, 2014 10:16:18am

re: #441 Vicious Piebola

Great way to celebrate the Lord’s Day

What low-information media won’t tell you: Complaining Ebola nurse works for CDC, left-wing activist.

Also simple bullshit. The Dallas Morning News story cited by CCJ clearly states that the writer was a colleague of Hickox at CDC.

dallasnews.com

443 sagehen  Oct 26, 2014 10:18:08am

re: #411 Dark_Falcon

I’m not voting to cancel out someone else’s vote, I’m voting for candidates I think will be the best fits for the jobs. This year that means that I have to vote for the left-wing Jan Schakowsky for Congress, because myself and too many other primary voters voted for a nutcase in the GOP primary because the nutcase happens to be a woman. So in the general election I have to vote for a liberal Democrat (Schakowsky) as penance.

my emphasis added.

Did she keep hidden that she was a nutcase until after the primary? Or did you know it then and voted for her anyway?

444 BigPapa  Oct 26, 2014 10:38:09am
445 BigPapa  Oct 26, 2014 10:43:58am
446 Skip Intro  Oct 26, 2014 10:44:53am

re: #434 ausador

It would just be so sweet to watch Mitch get the axe this election, sigh…

[Embedded content]

Except she isn’t much different from him. She loves Big Coal, doesn’t like the EPA, and isn’t fond of Obama.

447 lawhawk  Oct 26, 2014 10:49:02am

[facepalm]

448 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 10:57:16am

re: #443 sagehen

my emphasis added.

Did she keep hidden that she was a nutcase until after the primary? Or did you know it then and voted for her anyway?

I didn’t know it at the time. I voted for her because I felt putting more women on the ticket was a good way to counter Democratic ‘war on women’ rhetoric.

449 Charles Johnson  Oct 26, 2014 10:59:22am
450 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 11:02:15am

re: #446 Skip Intro

Except she isn’t much different from him. She loves Big Coal, doesn’t like the EPA, and isn’t fond of Obama.

She’s not a good liar about coal though. The Washington Post has caught wise to her:

The Pinocchio Test

So let’s review. Grimes first makes a nonsense claim that McConnell should have somehow arranged for scrubbers in a privately-owned plant that would have sent utility rates soaring.

Then, in a desperate effort to somehow cite Bloomberg’s name, she accuses McConnell of being bought off by a $9,000 payment to McConnell’s wife (who is independently wealthy). Citing a $600,000 number from “enemies of coal” is especially silly, as it mostly involves money from a bank that continues to finance coal companies.

Most striking, Grimes puts her own credibility on the line by uttering these recidivist claims herself, rather than relying on an unseen narrator.

We realize that the game of politics is sometimes played rough in Kentucky, but this ad is beyond the pale. Indeed, it is likely the worst ad of a nasty campaign year. Grimes should be ashamed of herself.

Four Pinocchios

451 Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2014 11:02:34am

BBL

452 PT Barnum  Oct 26, 2014 11:05:39am

Afternoon Lizards- What’s on the menu? re: #432 Targetpractice

And in a couple hours, he’ll wake up with that look on his face that says “What the hell did I do last night?”

WHat is he? He’s a cutie

453 bratwurst  Oct 26, 2014 11:06:36am

re: #448 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t know it at the time. I voted for her because I felt putting more women on the ticket was a good way to counter Democratic ‘war on women’ rhetoric.

I guess that is easier than…you know…refusing to support politicians who consistently espouse anti-woman policies and/or opine idiotically on the subject of rape.

454 PT Barnum  Oct 26, 2014 11:08:54am

re: #453 bratwurst

I guess that is easier than…you know…reusing to support politicians who constantly espouse anti-woman policies.

But that would mean letting common sense and personal integrity overcome the tribalism integral to the current GOP mindset.

455 Vicious Piebola  Oct 26, 2014 11:12:16am

John Fugelsang retweeted this:

456 BeachDem  Oct 26, 2014 11:12:46am

re: #450 Dark_Falcon

She’s not a good liar about coal though. The Washington Post has caught wise to her:

I’ll counter with

The 11 top lies of Mitch ‘Myth’ McConnell

457 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 11:13:23am
458 b_sharp  Oct 26, 2014 11:16:20am

I find it so ironic that the right wing calls the rest of us low information whatevers.

459 b_sharp  Oct 26, 2014 11:16:54am

So how are the fine scaly ones doing this morning?

460 PT Barnum  Oct 26, 2014 11:18:55am

Here in Iowa the Register endorsed the Democrat for the Senate (Braley over Ernst) and the 1st, 2nd, and 4th District. The Facebook comments are a great morass of conservative butthurt

461 PT Barnum  Oct 26, 2014 11:20:07am

re: #458 Dead Tired

I find it so ironic that the right wing calls the rest of us low information whatevers.

If we were high information voters, we’d vote for them!

I find it interesting that the more people know about GOP policies the less likely they are to vote for them.

462 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2014 11:22:28am
463 A Mom Anon  Oct 26, 2014 11:25:23am

re: #455 Vicious Piebola

Awesome. I love John, he’s great.

464 Timothy Watson  Oct 26, 2014 11:30:19am

re: #455 Vicious Piebola

John Fugelsang retweeted this:

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Maybe if wealth and income hadn’t become so concentrated in the top 1%, lower-income people would be paying more taxes because they would be making more money.

465 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2014 11:30:35am

Lets see the GOP put Samantha Power into a mandatory 21-day quarantine in a parking lot tent…

466 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2014 11:32:01am
467 BigPapa  Oct 26, 2014 11:33:11am
468 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2014 11:34:33am

re: #466 Backwoods_Sleuth

BP oil spill ‘didn’t ruin the Gulf,’ says Politico article written by BP

no, it just caused billions of dollars in damages…

469 BigPapa  Oct 26, 2014 11:34:43am

More subtle mealy mouthed intellectual dishonesty.

470 ausador  Oct 26, 2014 11:42:59am

re: #465 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lets see the GOP put Samantha Power into a mandatory 21-day quarantine in a parking lot tent…

[Embedded content]

She wont fly into New York or New Jersey so she wont have to deal with it.

471 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 26, 2014 11:44:41am

Good afternoon Lizards from sunny (and a bit windy) Philadelphia.

Yesterday spent at a game store I frequent taking part in a board gaming marathon for charity. Between this event and a Magic-centric event a few days earlier over two thousand dollars were raised for the Extra-Life charity.

Charity Event Link

So I got to board game for 12+ hours, donate to a charity, and even won a few games in the “silent auction” raffles.

:)

And then came home to Feline Overlords who hadn’t been fed in 15 hours.
O_o

472 sagehen  Oct 26, 2014 11:48:31am

re: #445 BigPapa

[Embedded content]

Anybody who supported John McCain or Ron Paul… doesn’t get to whine about a candidate in her 60’s being too old.

473 EPR-radar  Oct 26, 2014 11:54:16am

re: #472 sagehen

Anybody who supported John McCain or Ron Paul… doesn’t get to whine about a candidate in her 60’s being too old.

Age is different for men and women.

474 De Kolta Chair  Oct 26, 2014 12:05:56pm


Sissy.

475 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 26, 2014 12:20:49pm

re: #410 Aunty Entity Dragon

I really do not like the idea of personalizing a vote like this. Voting is the responsibility of every citizen and a proud legacy of western civilization going back over 3,000 years.

Reducing it to some sort of spite contest on a message thread does not sit right with me.

Oh, give it a rest. I’m just fucking with our Rah, Rah, Go Team GOP lizard. I wouldn’t vote for Rauner if he shit gold bricks and gave me several, regardless of who D_F is voting for.


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