An Exceptional Tiny Desk Concert: William Prince

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There are thousands of love songs sung sweetly and strummed softly by a big guy with a big heart. But there’s only one William Prince. The singer-songwriter from the Peguis First Nation has a disarming presence at the Tiny Desk — his voice warm, eyes smiling.

Prince had flown into Washington, D.C., on a red-eye flight. Jetlagged, he took a long nap on one of our couches, roused himself, then quietly commanded the room. These songs, two of which are from his 2023 album Stand in the Joy, swoon at the wonders of love, but more importantly give partners space to grow and bloom over time. Prince had performed a Tiny Desk (home) concert in 2021, so here he improvises a little song of gratitude with a wink: “I’d thought the Desk would be tinier.”

— Lars Gotrich | November 22, 2023

SET LIST
“Tanqueray”
“Goldie Hawn”
“The Spark”

MUSICIANS
William Prince: guitar, vocals

TINY DESK TEAM
Producers: Suraya Mohamed, Bob Boilen
Director/Editor: Maia Stern
Audio Engineer: Josephine Nyounai
Videographers: Maia Stern, Joshua Bryant
Production Assistant: Ashley Pointer
Photographer: Catie Dull
Tiny Desk Team: Hazel Cills, Kara Frame, Josh Rogosin
VP, Visuals and Music: Keith Jenkins
Senior VP, Programming: Anya Grundmann

#tinydesk #nprmusic #williamprince

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2023 • 5:40:35pm

For some reason my brain parsed it as “Prince William” and I was like “holy shit, he can sing??”

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Dangerman  Nov 24, 2023 • 5:43:11pm

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2023 • 5:44:58pm

I’m impressed to discover that the default US voice of Google’s SpeechSynthesis API nails the pronunciation of “biatch.”

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William Lewis  Nov 24, 2023 • 5:46:05pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

For some reason my brain parsed it as “Prince William” and I was like “holy shit, he can sing??”

Me too. I was expecting to see him land a helicopter at NPR before the concert too! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2023 • 5:50:58pm

Pro tip: never let a rabid raccoon use your computer.

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jeffreyw  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:04:35pm

Mastodon

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:06:00pm

For fuck’s sake.

The Tonight Show-style music of the new “Why Is This Happening?” MSNBC show feels wildly inappropriate after the disturbing subject matter of the show.

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William Lewis  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:06:56pm

Don’t remember who mentioned it, but I blew my tiny discretionary budget for the next couple of weeks by getting the John Scalzi Humble bundle. 21 books to read 😈 Oh, I own several already (mostly dead tree) but still a good deal, just it’s a bitch time to spend the money… Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:11:53pm

They claim they freaked out over the gas stove.

In reality the Racist Right REALLY freaked out over the interracial Second Couple in the kitchen.

rawstory.com

Vice President Kamala Harris posted a picture of herself and Second Gentleman Doug Emhoff in their kitchen as part of holiday celebrations, with the message, “From our family to yours, happy Thanksgiving” — but right-wingers immediately obsessed over one small detail in the photo, noted the (YES YOU GUESSED IT!) New York Post: the presence of a gas stove, which has morphed into a right-wing topic of culture war over the last year.

And GUESS WHO was first to flip out!

“Wait…that’s a gas stove! The same kind Dems want to BAN you from owning,” Sen Ted Cruz (R-Texas) posted to X.

Contrary to months of claims from Republicans, nobody in the Biden administration has prohibited a ban on ownership of gas stoves.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:14:25pm

I have the feeling too many Americans are just going “eh, whatever” about the Republican Party’s overt plans to remake the US into a theofascist state.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:15:08pm

And this just hit the wires…

Derek Chauvin stabbed in federal prison

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Nerdy Fish  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:16:52pm

re: #11 Joe Bacon ✅

And this just hit the wires…

Derek Chauvin stabbed in federal prison

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He’s a cop, and a bad one. I’m not going to say he deserved this, but I’m not at all surprised.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:17:42pm

re: #11 Joe Bacon ✅

Not even someone like this guy should have to die like this.

Our prison system is barbaric.

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sagehen  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:18:49pm

re: #11 Joe Bacon ✅

And this just hit the wires…

Derek Chauvin stabbed in federal prison

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I thought the whole reason he wanted federal prison was because he thought it would be safer for him than the State pen?

So was this a “you bastard what you did to George” stabbing, or did he make new enemy already?

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:19:56pm

The Right is already starting to flip out about Chauvin’s stabbing and it’s gonna get worse. We know Trump is gonna do one of his babbling posts in a couple minutes to pour gas on the fire…

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TedStriker  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:20:00pm

re: #11 Joe Bacon ✅

And this just hit the wires…

Derek Chauvin stabbed in federal prison

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re: #12 Nerdy Fish

He’s a cop, and a bad one. I’m not going to say he deserved this, but I’m not at all surprised.

Chavin being an ex-cop, I’d have thought BoP wouldn’t have put him in GenPop.

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Nerdy Fish  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:21:39pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Not even someone this guy should have to die like this.

Our prison system is barbaric.

All of this. Y’all know I’m very much an advocate for prison and criminal justice reform. I hate Derek Chauvin and hope he lives to enjoy the rest of his sentence, but he didn’t deserve this.

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William Lewis  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:24:30pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I have the feeling too many Americans are just going “eh, whatever” about the Republican Party’s overt plans to remake the US into a theofascist state.

I hate hate hate to say it but even though I wanted to, that is why I decided not to sell my AK. I really fear that I may need it to get my son to safety in Canada. And when you think about how close I live to there … O_o

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TedStriker  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:24:46pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Not even someone like this guy should have to die like this.

Our prison system is barbaric.

re: #17 Nerdy Fish

All of this. Y’all know I’m very much an advocate for prison and criminal justice reform. I hate Derek Chauvin and hope he lives to enjoy the rest of his sentence, but he didn’t deserve this.

If Chavin survives this, BoP will have to put him in 23-hour “protective custody”, effectively solitary confinement, from here on out.

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William Lewis  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:25:47pm

re: #14 sagehen

I thought the whole reason he wanted federal prison was because he thought it would be safer for him than the State pen?

So was this a “you bastard what you did to George” stabbing, or did he make new enemy already?

From what I’ve read about him, I’d bet big money on the latter actually.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:28:07pm

The context of the stabbing is that stabbings happen pretty regularly and not necessarily with some kind of resonant reason, but because our prison system is built to spend as little money as possible, is punitive such that “what prisoners do to one another is part of the punishment” is seen as normal and not a deliberate design choice, and any particular act of violence is contextualized by the physical and psychological environment that’s going to generate stress and trauma such that violence is an entirely anticipate-able outcome.

Speculating whether this stabbing has individual, moralistic implications—that it was punishment—is just stepping over that all prison stabbings occur within a framework that would prefer you view all the suffering of prisoners as part of their punishment.

You know, that it’s not cruel or unusual, just the cost of doing business.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:31:09pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Not even someone like this guy should have to die like this.

Our prison system is barbaric.

You are not wrong.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:33:20pm

Also, private prisons just make things worse.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:34:47pm

re: #15 Joe Bacon ✅

The Right is already starting to flip out about Chauvin’s stabbing and it’s gonna get worse. We know Trump is gonna do one of his babbling posts in a couple minutes to pour gas on the fire…

The Right on X comparing Derek Chauvin’s stabbing to Jeffrey Epstein’s death, and it’s a Deep State assassination attempt.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:37:08pm

More info and now we know why there was a “security lapse”

from KTLA—ktla.com

Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer convicted of murdering George Floyd, was stabbed by another inmate and seriously injured Friday at a federal prison in Arizona, a person familiar with the matter told The Associated Press.

The attack happened at the Federal Correctional Institution, Tucson, a medium-security prison that has been plagued by security lapses and staffing shortages. The person was not authorized to publicly discuss details of the attack and spoke to the AP on the condition of anonymity.

The Bureau of Prisons confirmed that an incarcerated person was assaulted at FCI Tucson at around 12:30 p.m. local time Friday. In a statement, the agency said responding employees contained the incident and performed “life-saving measures” before the inmate, who it did not name, was taken to a hospital for further treatment and evaluation.

No employees were injured and the FBI was notified, the Bureau of Prisons said. Visiting at the facility, which has about 380 inmates, has been suspended.

Messages seeking comment were left with Chauvin’s lawyers and the FBI.

Chauvin’s stabbing is the second high-profile attack on a federal prisoner in the last five months. In July, disgraced sports doctor Larry Nassar was stabbed by a fellow inmate at a federal penitentiary in Florida.

It is also the second major incident at the Tucson federal prison in a little over a year. In November 2022, an inmate at the facility’s low-security prison camp pulled out a gun and attempted to shoot a visitor in the head. The weapon, which the inmate shouldn’t have had, misfired and no one was hurt.

Chauvin, 47, was sent to FCI Tucson from a maximum-security Minnesota state prison in August 2022 to simultaneously serve a 21-year federal sentence for violating Floyd’s civil rights and a 22½-year state sentence for second-degree murder.

Chauvin’s lawyer, Eric Nelson, had advocated for keeping him out of general population and away from other inmates, anticipating he’d be a target. In Minnesota, Chauvin was mainly kept in solitary confinement “largely for his own protection,” Nelson wrote in court papers last year.

Last week, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected Chauvin’s appeal of his murder conviction. Separately, Chauvin is making a longshot bid to overturn his federal guilty plea, claiming new evidence shows he didn’t cause Floyd’s death.

Floyd, who was Black, died on May 25, 2020, after Chauvin, who is white, pressed a knee on his neck for 9½ minutes on the street outside a convenience store where Floyd was suspected of trying to pass a counterfeit $20 bill.

Bystander video captured Floyd’s fading cries of “I can’t breathe.” His death touched off protests worldwide, some of which turned violent, and forced a national reckoning with police brutality and racism.

Three other former officers who were at the scene received lesser state and federal sentences for their roles in Floyd’s death.

Chauvin’s stabbing comes as the federal Bureau of Prisons has faced increased scrutiny in recent years following wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein’s jail suicide in 2019. It’s another example of the agency’s inability to keep even its highest profile prisoners safe after Nassar’s stabbing and “Unabomber” Ted Kaczynski’s suicide at a federal medical center in June.

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Nerdy Fish  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:39:34pm

re: #26 Joe Bacon ✅

Heh. He would’ve been better off staying at Oak Park Heights, it seems.

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Jay C  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:44:58pm

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William Lewis  Nov 24, 2023 • 6:46:21pm

re: #27 Nerdy Fish

Heh. He would’ve been better off staying at Oak Park Heights, it seems.

He should have been in Stillwater… < whistles innocently >

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:08:39pm

re: #19 TedStriker

If Chavin survives this, BoP will have to put him in 23-hour “protective custody”, effectively solitary confinement, from here on out.

Just send him to SuperMax where everyone is treated the same. An hour a day outside his cell.

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Nerdy Fish  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:10:54pm

re: #30 austin_blue

Just send him to SuperMax where everyone is treated the same. An hour a day outside his cell.

The thing is, that’s a shitty way to exist. That’s what he had at Oak Park Heights, Minnesota’s state supermax facility. While it functioned as a safety measure for him while he was there, he doesn’t deserve that; no one does.

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:11:29pm

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, private prisons just make things worse.

Fed prisons aren’t private.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:13:34pm

Yesterday there was some Thanksgiving discussion of Alice’s Restaurant, and it reminded me that I had an old letterpress cut of a related cartoon I drew for the high school newspaper in 1968. So I scrounged around in a few boxes and dug it up. The top image is the cut itself; the bottom is flopped, inverted and slightly retouched so you can read it.

12 years before the founding of PETA, there was The Alice’s Restaurant Anti-Massacree Movement.

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:13:51pm

re: #31 Nerdy Fish

The thing is, that’s a shitty way to exist. That’s what he had at Oak Park Heights, Minnesota’s state supermax facility. While it functioned as a safety measure for him while he was there, he doesn’t deserve that; no one does.

Oh, I completely agree. But he likely wouldn’t have gotten shivved if he had been in a Fed Supermax facility.

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darthstar  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:22:09pm

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:22:52pm

Texas is giving Tech a paddling tonight.

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William Lewis  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:25:52pm

re: #34 austin_blue

Oh, I completely agree. But he likely wouldn’t have gotten shivved if he had been in a Fed Supermax facility.

The real reality is that if he was just another POC rather than a fascist love child NO ONE would have heard of this incident much less cared. He’s just another Nazi tool and they’re actually disappointed he wasn’t good enough to die for them. //// only a really tiny bit..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:26:10pm

re: #32 austin_blue

Fed prisons aren’t private.

I know. I was just saying private prisons often add to the problems in the system instead of fixing any of them.

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darthstar  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:27:20pm

Just committed to learning some Climax Blues Band - I Love You - as I’m sitting here, sans guitar, listening to the Bridge on SiriusXM as we spend our first night at the river house.

No central heat, but we do have two dogs. I’ll be standing, apparently.

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darthstar  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:28:54pm

re: #39 darthstar

Yes, many of the shots I take of them would make a great album cover for an alt-bluegrass band.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:31:19pm

re: #39 darthstar

Lucy says ‘hello, boys.’

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:32:19pm

It was a pretty morning here.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:32:45pm

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darthstar  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:34:15pm

re: #41 jaunte

Lucy says ‘hello, boys.’

[Embedded content]

Lucy looks a lot like Sudo (Yes, super user, do), our friend’s dog who was parked at the restaurant when we went out to eat. I said, “Look, Sudo’s here!” then we went inside to find our friend who thought we weren’t coming up until tomorrow - normally we sleep at her house but we wanted to stay at our place BECAUSE WE CAN and she’s put herself out for us on many occasions. Oh, and today’s her birthday - we ‘ve got an ice chest full of crab and three dozen oysters for her party we’re throwing at her place tomorrow night.

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:36:53pm

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

I know. I was just saying private prisons often add to the problems in the system instead of fixing any of them.

Oh, yeah. They are shit holes to park those convicted of crime and are awarded to the lowest bidder.

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darthstar  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:39:10pm

re: #41 jaunte

Lucy says ‘hello, boys.’

[Embedded content]

Sudo with the boys at the Barbie showing in Monte Rio…yes, they painted the place pink for the event…and it’s for sale. I just need a small lotto win and I’ll be a theater owner.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:40:38pm

re: #46 darthstar

Lucy’s a blue-heeler/german short-haired pointer mix; Sudo may be the same.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:43:33pm


Jojo my corgi puppy enjoying the view.
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:45:10pm

re: #21 The Ghost of a Flea

The context of the stabbing is that stabbings happen pretty regularly and not necessarily with some kind of resonant reason, but because our prison system is built to spend as little money as possible, is punitive such that “what prisoners do to one another is part of the punishment” is seen as normal and not a deliberate design choice, and any particular act of violence is contextualized by the physical and psychological environment that’s going to generate stress and trauma such that violence is an entirely anticipate-able outcome.

Speculating whether this stabbing has individual, moralistic implications—that it was punishment—is just stepping over that all prison stabbings occur within a framework that would prefer you view all the suffering of prisoners as part of their punishment.

You know, that it’s not cruel or unusual, just the cost of doing business.

Also, the system is set up and maintained the way it is, where peace and dispute resolution is enforced first through group membership and only secondarily by prison staff after the fact when it spills over into open witnessed violence, partly to reinforce the idea that the resulting segregation through race based gang membership somehow reflects a more raw, natural societal state. So we’re especially encouraged to speculate on the particulars of this specific case to not only feed our schadenfreude but to subconsciously legitimize that dynamic.

It’s the Just-World Hypothesis in action, karma, bad things eventually happen to bad people, etc. We can’t fix the wrongs in front of us but we can psychologically assuage our perceived powerlessness by imagining a metaphysical mechanism where the Universe does our dirty work for us, even if we have to create a microcosm of Hell on Earth to make it happen.

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darthstar  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:45:43pm

re: #48 Kilroy was here

[Embedded content]

Jojo my corgi puppy enjoying the view.

CORGI ALERT!!! - I say that every time I see a Corgi. Love those short legged furry slugs.

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teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:50:29pm

Umphrey’s McSkis. Asking price: $1,000

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darthstar  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:52:59pm

My wife just showed this to me, explaining that she laughs every time she sees it…and now I will too.

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darthstar  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:53:21pm

re: #51 teleskiguy

You deserve to have those.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:57:48pm

California GOP Politician Fined $100K for Campaign Finance Violations

A four-year-long probe into the campaign finances of Republican California Assemblyman William Brough has resulted in fines to the tune of $100,000. The non-partisan Fair Political Practices Commission found that Brough spent political funds he raised on family vacations, clothing, and a custom cigar humidor, according to The Los Angeles Times. The paper reported that $17,303 from Brough’s campaign account was used for personal expenses—which occurred while his campaign treasurer attempted to warn the politician about his wrongdoing. “I need all of your receipts ASAP—you’ve gone mad with the [credit] card use, and I have one silly receipt for every ten expenses,” Brough campaign treasurer JenEve Slater wrote to the assemblyman in 2018, according to the investigation. According to The Times, Brough agreed to pay the initial $47,000 penalty, but after only one payment, the commission more than doubled the fine.

thedailybeast.com

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darthstar  Nov 24, 2023 • 7:58:37pm

Sorry for the ear worm…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2023 • 8:00:32pm

re: #54 Joe Bacon ✅

Spending campaign funds on all kinds of shit except for, you know, campaigning has become a common thing for Republicans.

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darthstar  Nov 24, 2023 • 8:03:43pm

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

Spending campaign funds on all kinds of shit except for, you know, campaigning has become a common thing for Republicans.

When I was young I wanted to run for office so other people would pay for hookers and blow, but then I grew up and fell in love and now I have no interest in politics…or hookers…or blow. But when I was young I was well on my way to becoming a successful Republican piece of shit.

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2023 • 8:07:16pm

re: #57 darthstar

Your wife might have been a good influence!

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2023 • 8:08:31pm

re: #50 darthstar

CORGI ALERT!!! - I say that every time I see a Corgi. Love those short legged furry slugs.

“Corgi”, in Welsh, literally means “short dog”.

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darthstar  Nov 24, 2023 • 8:10:41pm

Mini-masto-rant before slugging off to bed…first Shoq - who is also getting the drift, then my reply to him.

Mastodon

Mastodon

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Nov 24, 2023 • 8:13:02pm

re: #55 darthstar

A repeat posting from a couple levels downstairs earlier today

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2023 • 8:27:39pm

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2023 • 8:33:08pm

57 to 7, Horns.

And I’m off for the rack, suffering from a second tryptophan coma.

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A Cranky One  Nov 24, 2023 • 8:33:55pm

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2023 • 8:57:54pm

re: #62 retired cynic

I’m assuming the menorah has a glass cover.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 24, 2023 • 9:07:15pm


Let them fight..

or dance…
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 24, 2023 • 9:27:57pm

Meanwhile, in China…

The Chinese trust sector has once again set off alarm bells with the announcement that Zhongzhi Enterprise Group is declaring itself “severely insolvent.” The Beijing-based conglomerate has reported that it faces a shortfall of 260 billion yuan, the equivalent of $36 billion, and has warned of the risk that this poses to normal operations.

Zhongzhi is one of China’s largest shadow banks, private groups that provide financing through non-traditional institutions, such as trust firms and wealth management funds. Zhongzhi invests much of its investors’ money in real estate projects. The group’s situation, which has gotten gradually worse since the summer, once again underscores the liquidity problems in the Asian giant’s shadow banking sector, which is worth an estimated $2.9 trillion.

Late on Wednesday, Zhongzhi acknowledged in a letter addressed to its investors and seen by the South China Morning Post that its total liabilities were up to 460 billion yuan ($65 billion), against assets of 200 billion yuan. At its peak, this wealth management firm was handling more than one trillion yuan in assets.

english.elpais.com

Not just “insolvent”, but “severely insolvent”. I posted about Zhongzhi’s financial woes a few months back when it made the news they were likely in pretty serious trouble.

Looks like they were, in fact, in much more serious trouble than realized. And by all accounts, China’s shadow banking sector is a Castle Bravo-sized timebomb waiting to blow up.

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2023 • 9:31:53pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 24, 2023 • 9:44:50pm

Peccaries, not pigs. Javalinas, specifically.

Mastodon

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wrenchwench  Nov 24, 2023 • 10:12:40pm

Mastodon

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mmmirele  Nov 24, 2023 • 10:41:26pm

Speaking of stupid white guys, it appears (if Xitter is anything to go by, your mileage may vary) that Kyle Rittenhouse is 20 years old, unemployed and broke.

“Whatever money he did get is gone”—Rittenhouse lawyer. newser.com

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BeenHereAwhile  Nov 24, 2023 • 10:41:35pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

Also, the system is set up and maintained the way it is, where peace and dispute resolution is enforced first through group membership and only secondarily by prison staff after the fact when it spills over into open witnessed violence, partly to reinforce the idea that the resulting segregation through race based gang membership somehow reflects a more raw, natural societal state. So we’re especially encouraged to speculate on the particulars of this specific case to not only feed our schadenfreude but to subconsciously legitimize that dynamic.

It’s the Just-World Hypothesis in action, karma, bad things eventually happen to bad people, etc. We can’t fix the wrongs in front of us but we can psychologically assuage our perceived powerlessness by imagining a metaphysical mechanism where the Universe does our dirty work for us, even if we have to create a microcosm of Hell on Earth to make it happen.

We don’t know the race of the person who shanked Derek Chauvin.

Was it an attempt was to kill a former cop, or kill the new inmate who was convicted of murdering George Floyd, or was it was a lifer with nothing to lose, who wanted to gain inside notoriety.

Maybe even the Aryan Brotherhood wanted nothing to do with ex cop Chauvin.

Could have been all of the above.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2023 • 10:56:43pm

re: #71 mmmirele

You mean to tell me an arrogant, know-it-all 20 year-old doesn’t know how to manage his money?

///

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mmmirele  Nov 24, 2023 • 11:23:11pm

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

You mean to tell me an arrogant, know-it-all 20 year-old doesn’t know how to manage his money?

///

Yeah. Like a lot of 20 YOs. Except that most 20 YOs haven’t beaten an obvious murder rap.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 24, 2023 • 11:33:51pm

Has Elmo thought about floating some Musk Bucks? Or maybe some ridiculous NFT, like him with his katana?

X, the social media company formerly known as Twitter, could lose as much as $75 million in advertising revenue by the end of the year as dozens of major brands pause their marketing campaigns after its owner, Elon Musk, endorsed an antisemitic conspiracy theory this month.

Internal documents viewed by The New York Times this week show that the company is in a more difficult position than previously known and that concerns about Mr. Musk and the platform have spread far beyond companies including IBM, Apple and Disney, which paused their advertising campaigns on X last week. The documents list more than 200 ad units of companies from the likes of Airbnb, Amazon, Coca-Cola and Microsoft, many of which have halted or are considering pausing their ads on the social network.

The documents come from X’s sales team and are meant to track the impact of all the advertising lapses this month, including those by companies that have already paused and others that may be at risk of doing so. They list how much ad revenue X employees fear the company could lose through the end of the year if advertisers do not return.

nytimes.com

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teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2023 • 11:53:49pm

Mastodon

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teleskiguy  Nov 25, 2023 • 12:07:53am

A song I wish I could be listening to with Dad right now…

Mastodon

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teleskiguy  Nov 25, 2023 • 12:25:14am

All The Same

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steve_davis  Nov 25, 2023 • 12:45:10am

re: #26 Joe Bacon ✅

More info and now we know why there was a “security lapse”

from KTLA—ktla.com

Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer convicted of murdering George Floyd, was stabbed by another inmate and seriously injured Friday at a federal prison in Arizona, a person familiar with the matter told The Associated Press.

The attack happened at the Federal Correctional Institution, Tucson, a medium-security prison that has been plagued by security lapses and staffing shortages. The person was not authorized to publicly discuss details of the attack and spoke to the AP on the condition of anonymity.

The Bureau of Prisons confirmed that an incarcerated person was assaulted at FCI Tucson at around 12:30 p.m. local time Friday. In a statement, the agency said responding employees contained the incident and performed “life-saving measures” before the inmate, who it did not name, was taken to a hospital for further treatment and evaluation.

No employees were injured and the FBI was notified, the Bureau of Prisons said. Visiting at the facility, which has about 380 inmates, has been suspended.

Messages seeking comment were left with Chauvin’s lawyers and the FBI.

Chauvin’s stabbing is the second high-profile attack on a federal prisoner in the last five months. In July, disgraced sports doctor Larry Nassar was stabbed by a fellow inmate at a federal penitentiary in Florida.

It is also the second major incident at the Tucson federal prison in a little over a year. In November 2022, an inmate at the facility’s low-security prison camp pulled out a gun and attempted to shoot a visitor in the head. The weapon, which the inmate shouldn’t have had, misfired and no one was hurt.

Chauvin, 47, was sent to FCI Tucson from a maximum-security Minnesota state prison in August 2022 to simultaneously serve a 21-year federal sentence for violating Floyd’s civil rights and a 22½-year state sentence for second-degree murder.

Chauvin’s lawyer, Eric Nelson, had advocated for keeping him out of general population and away from other inmates, anticipating he’d be a target. In Minnesota, Chauvin was mainly kept in solitary confinement “largely for his own protection,” Nelson wrote in court papers last year.

Last week, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected Chauvin’s appeal of his murder conviction. Separately, Chauvin is making a longshot bid to overturn his federal guilty plea, claiming new evidence shows he didn’t cause Floyd’s death.

Floyd, who was Black, died on May 25, 2020, after Chauvin, who is white, pressed a knee on his neck for 9½ minutes on the street outside a convenience store where Floyd was suspected of trying to pass a counterfeit $20 bill.

Bystander video captured Floyd’s fading cries of “I can’t breathe.” His death touched off protests worldwide, some of which turned violent, and forced a national reckoning with police brutality and racism.

Three other former officers who were at the scene received lesser state and federal sentences for their roles in Floyd’s death.

Chauvin’s stabbing comes as the federal Bureau of Prisons has faced increased scrutiny in recent years following wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein’s jail suicide in 2019. It’s another example of the agency’s inability to keep even its highest profile prisoners safe after Nassar’s stabbing and “Unabomber” Ted Kaczynski’s suicide at a federal medical center in June.

“The weapon, which the inmate shouldn’t have had…..” journalism in this country has mostly sucked since it did away with copy-editors capable of making idiots look smarter.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 25, 2023 • 2:21:00am

Mahler and his choirs….

Symphony No. 3 (5th movement) / Gustav Mahler / Klaus Mäkelä / Oslo Philharmonic



…

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Nojay UK  Nov 25, 2023 • 2:21:27am

re: #79 steve_davis

“The weapon, which the inmate shouldn’t have had…..” journalism in this country has mostly sucked since it did away with copy-editors capable of making idiots look smarter.

Which part of “shall not be abridged” don’t you understand? /s

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2023 • 2:28:14am

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

Spending campaign funds on all kinds of shit except for, you know, campaigning has become a common thing for Republicans.

Good.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 25, 2023 • 2:49:38am

Those crazy Danes like to experiment in their concerts.

Recently they posted a series of videos about “Babylon”, a performance of music and words.

From the description:

The Babylon Hotel is a concert narrative. The story of an imaginary place of legends and myth. A place within all. A place of music, hope and despair.

Step into the enchanting world of the Roaring Twenties with our dazzling concert, “The Babylon Hotel.” This unique musical experience, set in the heart of the 1920s, celebrates the era’s spirit of exuberance, artistic exploration, and cultural diversity.

Here’s one of the big band pieces:

BABYLON: Welcome // Danish National Symphony Orchestra & DR Big Band (Live)

I like it.

They’ve also posted a few animations that appear to have been done with one of those AI animation tools, to tell the story online, in excerpts.

Chapter 1: It could be anywhere:

The Babylon Hotel (1:5) // It could be anywhere // Third Ear at DR Koncerthuset

Chapter 2: In the Babylon Hotel Everything Is Always Ready:

The Babylon Hotel (2:5) // In the Babylon Hotel Everything Is Always Ready

Chapter 3: Names Are A No-No Here:

The Babylon Hotel (3:6) // Names Are A No-No Here

..

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 25, 2023 • 2:55:33am

And since I’m looking at the DR Koncerthuset channel, yesterday they posted a video featuring Eivør Pálsdóttir, singer from the Faroes, with a quite lovely Bear McCreary piece:

God of War - Memories of Mother // Eivør & Danish National Symphony Orchestra (Live)

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No Malarkey!  Nov 25, 2023 • 3:12:47am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I have the feeling too many Americans are just going “eh, whatever” about the Republican Party’s overt plans to remake the US into a theofascist state.

I remain hopeful that it is merely a case of most people not really paying attention to the news about an election still nearly a year away, and that when it comes time to vote, the majority will do the right thing. Fingers crossed, Trump will be a convicted felon before election day, and I refuse to believe that won’t have a negative effect on his election chances.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2023 • 3:27:43am

re: #72 BeenHereAwhile

We don’t know the race of the person who shanked Derek Chauvin.

Was it an attempt was to kill a former cop, or kill the new inmate who was convicted of murdering George Floyd, or was it was a lifer with nothing to lose, who wanted to gain inside notoriety.

Maybe even the Aryan Brotherhood wanted nothing to do with ex cop Chauvin.

Could have been all of the above.

“When he was asked what might be done to improve the abysmal conditions in Georgia prisons, Maddox replied that what was really needed was a better class of prisoner.”
en.wikipedia.org

IIRC, his son was in prison at the time.

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No Malarkey!  Nov 25, 2023 • 3:33:35am

re: #86 Decatur Deb

“When he was asked what might be done to improve the abysmal conditions in Georgia prisons, Maddox replied that what was really needed was a better class of prisoner.”
en.wikipedia.org

IIRC, his son was in prison at the time.

Our prisons really should be better, but good luck getting politicians to vote to spend the amount of money needed to properly support them. That being said, I don’t give a shit what happens to a homicidal fascist like Chauvin.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2023 • 3:45:28am

All too true 🤣

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2023 • 3:56:13am

re: #15 Joe Bacon ✅

The Right is already starting to flip out about Chauvin’s stabbing and it’s gonna get worse. We know Trump is gonna do one of his babbling posts in a couple minutes to pour gas on the fire…

or the gas stove…

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 25, 2023 • 4:00:54am

Some crispy morning drive time music that transports me back to a slow dance I don’t remember anymore.

Dennis DeYoung - Desert Moon

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2023 • 4:04:44am

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

Spending campaign funds on all kinds of shit except for, you know, campaigning has become a common thing for Republicans.

I require a speaker’s pult worthy of a Carthagenian general:

A Hannibal Lectern!

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 25, 2023 • 4:05:54am

Dammit I forgot my electric space heater for under my desk here at work. These old masonry buildings are drafty.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2023 • 4:06:49am

re: #71 mmmirele

Speaking of stupid white guys, it appears (if Xitter is anything to go by, your mileage may vary) that Kyle Rittenhouse is 20 years old, unemployed and broke.

“Whatever money he did get is gone”—Rittenhouse lawyer.

I thought he was being groomed by the GOP for a big future in public office.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2023 • 4:20:58am

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I thought he was being groomed by the GOP for a big future in public office.

He’s probably not smart enough to even make a good puppet like Scott Walker was here in Wisconsin. Wish I was joking but what I saw of that boy during the trial makes me remember the old Foghorn Leghorn line: “That boy’s as sharp as a bowling ball.” If he hadn’t had a fascist judge…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 4:29:17am

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2023 • 4:32:44am

re: #71 mmmirele

Speaking of stupid white guys, it appears (if Xitter is anything to go by, your mileage may vary) that Kyle Rittenhouse is 20 years old, unemployed and broke.

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“Whatever money he did get is gone”—Rittenhouse lawyer. newser.com

Well, at least he has a high school diplo—…never mind.

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2023 • 4:32:59am

Thoughts and prayers.

Mastodon

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 25, 2023 • 4:58:50am

I’m sure this shanking of Chauvin has elevated him to martyr status among the usual suspects.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2023 • 4:59:43am

Ok, I was never as down on it as some but let’s face it, On Her Majesty’s Secret Service was one of the lesser James Bond flicks. This gives it perhaps the best take I’ve ever seen … 😈

On Her Majesty’s Secret Service M*A*S*H Up

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Randall Gross  Nov 25, 2023 • 5:08:50am

Oh boy — in Kansas we get new ugly retro plates, that remind me of the ones we used to have in Alaska when I was much younger.

ksnt.com

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sagehen  Nov 25, 2023 • 5:13:23am

re: #84 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

And since I’m looking at the DR Koncerthuset channel, yesterday they posted a video featuring Eivør Pálsdóttir, singer from the Faroes, with a quite lovely Bear McCreary piece:

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Is that Daenerys Targaryen?

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2023 • 5:19:43am

This is some rather amazing naval history 🤣

If you were a Japanese Imperial Naval Sailor you wanted to be on Yukikaze but NOT escorted by her!!!

IJN Yukikaze - Guide 363

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Nov 25, 2023 • 5:23:29am

California seeing a sizable influx of new residents relocating from Texas

What? Why would you re-locate to a place where homeless addicts get to camp in your backyard, Big Macs cost $32.00, and gas is $27.50 a gallon? (Channeling average Texas repug).

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 25, 2023 • 5:32:20am

re: #100 Thanos

Yuck.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:02:20am

re: #104 Ace Rothstein

We have plain tags here in PA. Blue at the top with the State’s name. The middle is the plate number in blue on a white background. And the bottom is yellow with the state’s web address. There are some special issue tags that support special interest groups.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:12:51am

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:18:26am

this is so sad…Mr. “Anonymous” loves Jesus more than his transgendered child…

friendlyatheist.com

This anonymous Christian dad proudly refuses to love his transgender daughter

The Gospel Coalition has once again published a piece that makes Christianity look heartless

The Gospel Coalition, a right-wing evangelical website with a long history of publishing cringe-worthy pieces, has done it again.

This time, the anonymous author is a father with a transgender daughter. He loves his trans daughter, he writes, adding that he loves Jesus more. Which is a not-so-subtle way of saying he doesn’t actually love his trans daughter unconditionally.

The father explains how he’s a True Christian™ whose daughter accepted Jesus from an early age. Everything was textbook perfect until, on the verge of turning 18, she started questioning her gender identity and soon came out as trans.

The father insists he knows why it happened. (Because there must be a reason.)

First, an old friendship came back into our son’s life during COVID shutdowns and grew over time. This friend was moving through the spectrum of the LGBT+ community. My wife and I encouraged our son to be faithful to the Word, which included showing love and grace to his friend.

Second, a few other people who had meaningful relationships with my son expressed to him their belief that LGBT+ lifestyles can align with Christianity.

The problem, you see, is that he and his wife taught their kids to be kind to others and that Christianity was a religion of love… when they clearly should have been more nuanced. Christianity, he goes on to say, is not compatible with “LGBT+ lifestyles.” Everything would have been better if only they had told their daughter to stay away from LGBTQ people.

If he embraces this lifestyle, he doesn’t give evidence of genuine trust in and obedience to Jesus…

… we thought, How could we affirm an identity that ignores God’s goodness for him and ignores the goodness of the physical body? How can we ignore that our son is making himself central and not Jesus? And, God, why is this happening?

It’s such a hallmark of conservative Christians to insist that anyone who doesn’t accept the party line on every culture war issue is somehow a Bad Christian. Roughly “half of LGBTQ adults in the United States are religious,” according to a 2020 report, and they’re all lying to themselves, insists this dude who lacks the courage to tell us his name.

The father goes on to say he’s spent a lot of time studying “potential triggers” and “causes for why individuals can be drawn into LGBT+ identities”—never allowing himself to admit people simply are LGBTQ. He concludes that this is all in God’s hands… which is another way of saying he doesn’t plan to change anything about his own thoughts or actions.

The father even admits his daughter doesn’t have a strong relationship with him anymore and is, at best, “cordial” now. That’s more than this dad deserves, though, given the way he’s treated her.

Just consider how he won’t even acknowledge who she is. She’s misgendered throughout the piece. We’re told she “believed” she was trans (as if she succumbed to outside pressure). And there isn’t even a hint of sympathy when the daughter suggests taking her own life.

Another example of there’s no hate like Right Wing Xtian love…

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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:20:18am

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I thought he was being groomed by the GOP for a big future in public office.

That was the story making the rounds a few days ago.
Things change fast in Republican Grifter Land.

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jeffreyw  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:21:29am

Bitsy has right of first refusal

Good morning!

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:28:18am

re: #109 A Three Hour Tour

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I thought he was being groomed by the GOP for a big future in public office.

That was the story making the rounds a few days ago.
Things change fast in Republican Grifter Land.

Frankly I hope that Karma stings that little spoiled brat so much that he winds up on skid row pushing a cart for the rest of his morally bankrupt life.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:30:39am

re: #106 Eventual Carrion

Now I know why those ads for Cheech & Chong’s Cruise Chews are showing up on lots of websites I go to.

Used to be lots of right wing political ads but I will admit I’d rather see Cheech & Chong than ads for Ramadamadingdong!

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:33:27am

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving liar.

Lachlan Murdoch facing a minefield of lawsuits after taking control of Fox

Gee that’s a shame…

rawstory.com

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Nerdy Fish  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:34:18am

Things went from 0 to 100 real quickly.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:36:58am

PBS pledge season is a mixed blessing. All of the regular shows are not being shown but in place of them one gets: Great Scenic Railway Journeys, Rick Steves European Christmas and America’s Home Cooking. An interesting line up for today.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:38:51am

re: #95 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

The birb is the worb.
Wordle 889 3/6

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Birb here too

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:41:34am

re: #103 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

California seeing a sizable influx of new residents relocating from Texas

What? Why would you re-locate to a place where homeless addicts get to camp in your backyard, Big Macs cost $32.00, and gas is $27.50 a gallon? (Channeling average Texas repug).

I wish a number of them would have stayed here and turned Texas blue.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:45:58am

re: #96 darthstar

Well, at least he has a high school diplo—…never mind.

Boebert got elected with a GED. He probably can manage one too, but that may not work in his Congressional district. Maybe he can get a job at a Wendy’s?

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:57:20am

re: #118 Hecuba’s daughter

Boebert got elected with a GED. He probably can manage one too, but that may not work in his Congressional district. Maybe he can get a job at a Wendy’s?

Chick Fil A…

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2023 • 6:57:35am

re: #95 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

The birb is the worb.
Wordle 889 3/6

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:00:25am

Another par day.

MFpJNGtwdkxDLzAxZjI0S1lpNFJkWTdhNFIvc3l4RFZvZTRCNklXaHZPVFpuZDhFUmwvYVJoMG1kaDMycmpVYTFPaFRZd3N3UDdSWU52YTFKYTRZM0J3cVlnMEtidUwwQlAvVVVZSGRmbVJ1M2I1TkJoT1l5eGdONk5BUUJnWlRRcnk5a0h5cGQwZmpkZVdmUnZpQ3NBPT06OkW5rv+a5eBKhFiOEmYcBi8=

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danarchy  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:01:10am

re: #71 mmmirele

Speaking of stupid white guys, it appears (if Xitter is anything to go by, your mileage may vary) that Kyle Rittenhouse is 20 years old, unemployed and broke.

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“Whatever money he did get is gone”—Rittenhouse lawyer. newser.com

According to the article he is working full time, so basically the attorney is just complaining because he doesn’t make enough to pay his legal bills.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:01:49am
Someone once described the Facebook reactions, in order, as “the stages of learning about Morrissey” and that’s really stuck with me

bsky.app

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:06:25am

re: #107 Joe Bacon ✅

There is no hate stronger than “christian” love.

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:08:09am

I followed the wrong escort and took it to six.
No spoiler because shame like this deserves to be worn in the open.

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darthstar  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:09:12am

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:23:55am

New electric scooter from Honda. I guess the people in charge of style have been let go.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:36:13am

Birb from the blue. Wordle 889 3/6*

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A Cranky One  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:37:38am

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:38:05am

re: #125 darthstar

I followed the wrong escort and took it to six.
No spoiler because shame like this deserves to be worn in the open.

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Clues do not deserve to be provided in the open. No harm this time, but it happens.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:42:50am

Caves of Drach, Majorca. That blue area is part of the underground water system.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:53:28am

re: #127 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

New electric scooter from Honda. I guess the people in charge of style have been let go.

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But it opens into a picnic table for 6.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:54:03am

Mastodon

Says UK in there, so I think it’s subzero C, not F.

And that’s a double-banded cygnet.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:54:33am

re: #132 Decatur Deb

But it opens into a picnic table for 6.

You read my mind.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:56:40am

re: #133 wrenchwench

Cygnet is showing good form.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 25, 2023 • 7:59:56am

re: #127 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

New electric scooter from Honda. I guess the people in charge of style have been let go.

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You laugh, but it folds up into a credit card.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:00:32am

re: #136 Shropshire Slasher

You laugh, but it folds up into a credit card.

Or a Siberian Crane.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:01:56am

re: #127 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Costs $1,000.

Memories of 1970 when the base model AMC Gremlin I bought cost…$1,970.50…and gas was 25¢/gallon…it only cost $6.50 to fill the 25 gallon tank…

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jeffreyw  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:02:36am

Mastodon

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:06:57am

re: #138 Joe Bacon ✅

In 1967 I wanted an MG Midget—it cost $2,200. With my Army separation pay I had $2,200. Also had a fiancee. Thirty years later I got the MG Midget.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:08:26am

re: #136 Shropshire Slasher

You laugh, but it folds up into a credit card.

An extremely large credit card.

This Kickstarter folding bike looks less terrible and folds into a pocketknife.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:08:37am

Two Republican county supervisors in a solidly red Arizona county are costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars in multiple unsuccessful election-related crusades in the courts.

The Guardian reports that Tom Crosby and Peggy Judd — who both sit on the Cochise County Board of Supervisors — have now been subpoenaed as part of a possible investigation by the Arizona Attorney General’s office. Both Crosby and Judd have tried consistently to switch the county’s ballot-counting process to a hand count rather than a machine count, resulting in various lawsuits against the county, along with subsequent legal settlements totaling roughly $300,000. Despite Cochise County voting for former President Donald Trump in 2020 by a 19-point margin, Crosby refused to certify his county’s election results even after a judge compelled him to do so.

The AG’s office wouldn’t confirm to the Guardian whether an investigation was ongoing, but both Crosby and Judd were summoned to grand jury proceedings in November. The lone Democratic member of the Cochise County Board of Supervisors told the publication Votebeat that state investigators asked her about hand count and ballot certification issues.

Even though the two officials have had their losing battles settled, the AG’s investigation is ongoing. Elisabeth Tyndall, who is chair of the Cochise County Democratic Party, said “the poison continues to spread” while Crosby and Judd wage costly legal battles.

alternet.org

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:09:47am

re: #139 jeffreyw

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sagehen  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:10:33am

re: #115 PhillyPretzel ✅

PBS pledge season is a mixed blessing. All of the regular shows are not being shown but in place of them one gets: Great Scenic Railway Journeys, Rick Steves European Christmas and America’s Home Cooking. An interesting line up for today.

NY PBS is doing music shows. Concert shows. Tribute to Gamble & Huff by the artists who first recorded their songs; the Highwaymen in concert in 1990; and behind the scenes documentaries for the Masterpiece dramas.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:11:10am

re: #141 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

An extremely large credit card.

This Kickstarter folding bike looks less terrible and folds into a pocketknife.

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No pedals. It’s a scooter, not a bike.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:12:10am

re: #117 Belafon

I wish a number of them would have stayed here and turned Texas blue.

I’m staying the course.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:14:41am

‘Executioner for God’: school board member detained over ‘kill your children’ comments

alternet.org

A school board official in Tuolumne County, California — which lies southeast of Sacramento — has been detained for a mental health evaluation over disturbing comments written via email.

The Modesto Bee reports that 50-year-old Jason Vassar, who serves on the Belleview Elementary School District Board, is currently still in custody and undergoing a mental health evaluation in response to 93 pages of comments Vassar sent to school administrators. Vassar allegedly claimed to be the messiah in the documents, and made numerous comments alluding to anti-government conspiracies and espousing racist beliefs.

In one comment, Vassar reportedly threatened children, writing “I was kind of shocked to read in Revelations that I was going to be executioner for God and kill your children.”

According to the Bee, Vassar initially met with administrators on October 30, including superintendent and principal Carmel Portillo, to discuss his mental health. Following that meeting, Vassar sent the administrators the emails, which also made references to communists and socialists. He also made Biblical references, including to the Antichrist.

Vassar also reportedly sent a threatening voicemail to a school administrator after he was served with a restraining order. The order prevents Vassar from being within 1,000 feet of Belleview Elementary campus, and to keep the same distance from students and staff.

The Bee reports that Vassar has been on Belleview Elementary’s three-member board since 2015, when he was appointed to fill a vacancy. He was subsequently elected to a full term in 2016, and reelected in 2022. The district is now reportedly in the process of removing him from the board. The board oversees the single campus, which includes students enrolled in preschool through eighth grade.

Was he endorsed by Klanned Karenhood?????

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:16:42am

re: #145 wrenchwench

No pedals. It’s a scooter, not a bike.

Then why is a motorcycle called a bike?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:17:51am

re: #147 Joe Bacon ✅

At least he did it the right way—calling the attention of the leadership in an escalating curve. It looks like the system was a bit casual about its response.
Guy needs help, and might get it.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:18:15am

re: #147 Joe Bacon ✅

They should include in the story that his guns have been confiscated, or that he had none.

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jeffreyw  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:18:25am

re: #143 wrenchwench

I picked up an Audubon field guide for a buck. It can’t compete with free Mastodon.

With an upgrade to Mastodon Pro you get bird IDs with every bird photo, go to Mastodon Pro Plus and the IDs are correct.

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BeenHereAwhile  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:18:52am

re: #86 Decatur Deb

“When he was asked what might be done to improve the abysmal conditions in Georgia prisons, Maddox replied that what was really needed was a better class of prisoner.”
en.wikipedia.org

IIRC, his son was in prison at the time.

Chauvin might make the cut.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:19:41am

re: #152 BeenHereAwhile

Chauvin might make the cut.

He took a stab at it.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:20:04am

re: #148 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Then why is a motorcycle called a bike?

For some stupid reason that my opinion was not sought about in advance. I guess for some people, 2 wheels = bike.

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Captain Ron  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:26:51am

re: #127 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

New electric scooter from Honda. I guess the people in charge of style have been let go.

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Honda makes pretty bikes too.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:27:29am

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:28:18am

re: #155 Captain Ron

Honda makes pretty bikes too.

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I’m the moron who would call that a motorcycle.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:31:00am

re: #157 wrenchwench

I’m the moron who would call that a motorcycle.

Motorcycles need to be registered, bicycles do not. I think.

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sizzzzlerz  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:32:28am

Birdie today on a tough one. So many possibilities.

Click to Reveal

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:34:38am

Story Time: Bozo and the Santa Claus Horror Show

boingboing.net

Confirmation of the “Bozo No-No” incident that got Bozo fired from WPGH in Pittsburgh…

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:36:43am

prospect.org

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austin_blue  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:37:59am

This is an interesting story on snowfall trends:

cnn.com

Also, Rittenhouse has the mental acuity of a box of hammers.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:38:56am

I Will Survive

• This Turkey Will Survive • Happy Thanksgiving •

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:39:36am

re: #155 Captain Ron

Honda makes pretty bikes too.

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Honda makes nothing that I will ever buy. One of their CB360s locked up on me at speed. There was a NHTSA recall on that bike, because the cam chain tensioner tended to disintegrate into the oil passages. When I told Honda about it, they told me to kiss off, that my engine number was outside the recall.

All I wanted was enough parts to fix the upper end, and the new formula tensioner. Fuk’m.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:45:15am

re: #162 austin_blue

This is an interesting story on snowfall trends:

cnn.com

Also, Rittenhouse has the mental acuity of a box of hammers.

U CAN’T TOUCH THIS…😵‍💫

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:45:22am

re: #161 Belafon

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prospect.org

I am not sure what you are saying.

Is Morgan Stanley wrong in paying $1.16 Billion to Chicago for the ability to make money off of parking meters (and maintain), or is Chicago wrong in writing the law letting them do that?

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:55:09am

re: #158 Shropshire Slasher

Motorcycles need to be registered, bicycles do not. I think.

And in most states, it’s based on motor size. I think if you use it in the public streets, there needs to be a responsible party’s ID on the registration. Yes, even without motors.

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 25, 2023 • 8:57:56am

re: #162 austin_blue

Virtually all of these right wing grifters are basically unemployable to any ordinary company. Their 100% entitled mindset and horror show social skills means a lonely and angry life spent lashing out at all those who “oppress” their wildest tribal fantasies.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:02:05am

re: #167 wrenchwench

And in most states, it’s based on motor size. I think if you use it in the public streets, there needs to be a responsible party’s ID on the registration. Yes, even without motors.

I’ve lived in some jurisdiction that wanted bicycles registered, possibly a NJ township. Overt reason was to recover stolen bikes to owners. Covert reason was cashflow.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:03:21am

re: #166 Shropshire Slasher

I am not sure what you are saying.

Is Morgan Stanley wrong in paying $1.16 Billion to Chicago for the ability to make money off of parking meters (and maintain), or is Chicago wrong in writing the law letting them do that?

The point is that Chicago will be paying for a short term fix for 75 years, because rich people can’t be bothered to help poorer people.

Yes, the last part is entirely my view that the rich are greedy folks and we should start holding them morally accountable for large numbers of poor existing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:03:58am

re: #168 Florida Panhandler

Virtually all of these right wing grifters are basically unemployable to any ordinary company. Their 100% entitled mindset and horror show social skills means a lonely and angry life spent lashing out at all those who “oppress” their wildest tribal fantasies.

Yep. They are fighting mainly for Fox News sound bites, CPAC gigs, guest spots on Joe Rogan and campaign appearances with Republicans.

Oh and speaking gigs with Churches and Turning Point.

And maybe a spot in a Dinesh D’Souza movie if they’re lucky.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:08:15am

re: #169 Decatur Deb

I’ve lived in some jurisdiction that wanted bicycles registered, possibly a NJ township. Overt reason was to recover stolen bikes to owners. Covert reason was cashflow.

Municipal ‘registration’ is or was common. Mr. w always said cyclists would be taken more seriously if licensed. I’m working my way there, starting with the equipment. There needs to be some enforcement capacity for the rightmost lane. Age of operators is where I’m stuck.

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sizzzzlerz  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:10:54am

re: #162austin_blue ✅

Also, Rittenhouse has the mental acuity of a box of hammers.

Fox hiring him, then, would bump the IQ level of the faux news readers up a couple of points then

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:12:27am

Dad jokes.

My kids have been on ebay all day. If they’re still there tomorrow I’m dropping the price.

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jeffreyw  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:14:37am

I was scrolling Mastodon today and came to this photo:

Mastodon
and I was surprised to see Bitsy’s doppleganger.

Bitsy Kitty
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:15:59am

re: #174 Eventual Carrion

Dad jokes.

My kids have been on ebay all day. If they’re still there tomorrow I’m dropping the price.

LOL reminds me of the time a friend of mine, Melissa, once told her two kids, “IF YOU TWO DON’T KNOCK IT OFF RIGHT GODDAMN NOW I SWEAR I’M PUTTING YOU BOTH ON EBAY!!”

This was in the late 1990s, back when I was living in the States. Of course, she would never do that, and she was generally quite patient, but her kids were being extra bratty that day. 😄

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jeffreyw  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:19:48am

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

LOL reminds me of the time a friend of mine, Melissa, once told her two kids, “IF YOU TWO DON’T KNOCK IT OFF RIGHT GODDAMN NOW I SWEAR I’M PUTTING YOU BOTH ON EBAY!!”

This was in the late 1990s, back when I was living in the States. Of course, she would never do that, and she was generally quite patient, but her kids were being extra bratty that day. 😄

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:30:46am

So is Steven Miller involved in this lawsuit?

‘How sick your soul’: Conservatives slammed for suing over program supporting pregnant Black women

Several right-wing groups are suing the City of San Francisco over a program that helps support pregnant Black women, who studies show have statistically higher rates of maternal death. Black families also experience statistically higher rates of premature birth and infant death.

“Black women are three times more likely to die from a pregnancy-related cause than White women,” the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported in April. “Multiple factors contribute to these disparities, such as variation in quality healthcare, underlying chronic conditions, structural racism, and implicit bias. Social determinants of health prevent many people from racial and ethnic minority groups from having fair opportunities for economic, physical, and emotional health.

“The University of California San Francisco reports, “In San Francisco, Black infants are almost twice as likely to be born prematurely compared with White infants (13.8% versus 7.3%, from 2012-2016) and Pacific Islander infants have the second-highest preterm birth rate (10.4%).” UCSF also reports, “Black families account for half of the maternal deaths and over 15% of infant deaths, despite representing only 4% of all births. Pacific Islander families face similar disparities.”

Enter the Abundant Birth Project, which began in San Francisco. It says it “provides unconditional cash supplements to communities experiencing disproportionately high rates of adverse outcomes as a strategy to reduce preterm birth and improve economic outcomes.” ABP began as a “fully-funded public-private partnership,” and its success has led it to expand into more counties in California.

But according to The 19th, a nonprofit independent newsroom, “Conservative groups have sued to shut down the Abundant Birth Project, part of a national backlash against affirmative action in health care.” The 19th adds that the “project has provided 150 pregnant Black and Pacific Islander San Franciscans a $1,000 monthly stipend.”

The “future of the Abundant Birth Project is clouded by a lawsuit alleging that the program, the first of its kind in the nation, illegally discriminates by giving the stipend only to people of a specific race. The lawsuit also targets San Francisco guaranteed-income programs serving artists, transgender people and Black young adults.”

The lawsuit calls the stipends “discriminatory payment schemes,” and seeks to stop the use of “government resources or public funds to support these unlawful programs so long as such they discriminate on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender/gender identity, or sexual orientation.”

The 19th lists several “activist nonprofit groups and law firms [that] are leading the charge” against affirmative action in health care. “Do No Harm, a nonprofit formed in 2022, has sued health commissions, pharmaceutical companies and public health journals to try to stop them from choosing applicants based on race. Do No Harm claims more than 6,000 members worldwide and partners with nonprofit legal organizations, most notably the Pacific Legal Foundation, which garnered national attention when it defended California’s same-sex marriage ban.”

Also, Californians for Equal Rights Foundation and the American Civil Rights Project, “filed the lawsuit against the city of San Francisco and the state of California over the Abundant Birth Project, alleging the program violates the equal protection clause of the Constitution’s 14th Amendment by granting money exclusively to Black and Pacific Islander women. The 14th Amendment was passed after the Civil War to give rights to formerly enslaved Black people.”

Mara Gay, a member of The New York Times’ editorial board and an MSNBC contributor responded to news of the lawsuit by saying, “Imagine how sick your soul has to be to spend time and money on this.”

Uché Blackstock, an emergency physician and author also responded to the news, writing on social media: “Today, Black babies are more than 2x as likely to die in their 1st year than white babies, due to racism - a wider disparity now than 15 yrs b4 the end of slavery (white enslavers had a $ interest in keeping Black babies alive!!!).”

“These suits are sick and the intent is clear,” added Dr. Blackstock, who is the author of “Legacy: A Black Physician Reckons with Racism in

“WHITE LAWYERS V. BLACK BABIES,” wrote attorney and activist Cornell William Brooks, a former president and CEO of the NAACP. “The race specific bias of American medicine means Black babies die 2.4 x the rate of White babies. SO conservative legal groups sue a program for helping Black mothers. Why? It is race specific #AffirmativeAction 4 dying babies. Outrageous.”

alternet.org

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:31:57am

re: #166 Shropshire Slasher

I am not sure what you are saying.

Is Morgan Stanley wrong in paying $1.16 Billion to Chicago for the ability to make money off of parking meters (and maintain), or is Chicago wrong in writing the law letting them do that?

This is what happens when you can only think in binary.

It’s the crony corruption of the capitalist system that made this privatization at the expense of the public possible. “Chicago” is the (likely bribed) politicians who sold off city property and rights of way to the oligarchs who will use it to shackle the city’s future ability to adapt during the entire expected lifetime of a resident born today.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:35:19am

re: #169 Decatur Deb

I’ve lived in some jurisdiction that wanted bicycles registered, possibly a NJ township. Overt reason was to recover stolen bikes to owners. Covert reason was cashflow.

Then there’s real reason, the opportunity they provide to use selective enforcement to fuck over black kids.

Perth Amboy police take bike, cuff Black youth, sparking anger

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:43:32am

re: #180 goddamnedfrank

Then there’s real reason, the opportunity they provide to use selective enforcement to fuck over black kids.

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The only time I have ever seen enforcement in a bike lane, it was a Black woman who had been going the wrong way. Tackled, although not on the bike when that happened. Made the paper.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:44:06am

He will sell no WHINE before it’s time…

Devin Nunes faces furious backlash from MAGA fans for using Truth Social to sell his wine

rawstory.com

Former Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA), who currently serves as CEO of the Trump Media & Technology Group behind Truth Social, got a rude reception from MAGA fans for using the struggling platform to sell $75 bottles of “Patriot” wine from his vineyard.

It’s probably Ripple poured into those bottles for the scam…

During the Thanksgiving weekend the former lawmaker posted a link to the Devin Nunes Wines website featuring a 12-bottle $530 “Founders Club” deal on his wines — with individual bottles selling for as much as $75.

That did not sit well with a multitude of Truth Social users with one MAGA fan complaining, “So, you went from defending We the People to selling us your f**king wine. Figures.”

Along with complaints that the wine comes from “leftist” California, others were aghast at the prices complaining they can barely feed their families in the “Biden economy.”

A commenter going by “AZ Patriot” complained about the state of Truth Social which Nunes oversees, writing, “Dude, your site is full of federal trolls posting bogus links, we can’t even afford our rent, and you want to boast about how you’re an alcoholic wino, dude you’re not in touch with the movement are you?”

User Susie Fuller wrote, “Please tell me you did not employee (sic) Illegal Aliens to pick your Grapes.”

“Another do nothing RINO!” wrote Beesoup72.

NomadMax added, “Devin, nothing personal when you show pictures of your fine dining and your fancy wine and liquors to people who are sitting around feeding their families with Franks and beans and boxes of mac and cheese you’re really out of touch with American families. Learn to read the f****** room!”

“Do ya think we could get our country back first?” Liberty Jones asked with CSBJohnson contributing, “Really? California wine! Really? Why an extreme leftist state wine? Money maybe?…”

“Now you’re pushing wine? WTF!! T gall of you people !!! Wow,” added jankow1.

Anndrea Quaill begged, “I’m so fricking tired of you guys trying to sell me stuff. Please stop.”

OOPS looks like Mr. Cow Patty misjudged his audience!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:45:24am

re: #180 goddamnedfrank

P.S. Ads on Youtube are just absolutely fucking awful now. Whenever I go there I have to deal with the beginning of some hate filled anti-trans fascist propaganda or bullshit fear mongering over fentanyl. I click past them as soon as I can but it makes me want to go there even less than I did before, which was extremely rarely.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:47:03am

re: #181 wrenchwench

The only time I have ever seen enforcement in a bike lane, it was a Black woman who had been going the wrong way. Tackled, although not on the bike when that happened. Made the paper.

I see white people on e-bikes without helmets riding the wrong way down bike lanes all the time. Nobody ever fucks them up the way they’re clearly asking for.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:50:43am

re: #184 goddamnedfrank

I see white people on e-bikes without helmets riding the wrong way down bike lanes all the time. Nobody ever fucks them up the way they’re clearly asking for.

Helmet laws have been tossed for patterns of enforcement. I forget where.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:51:38am

re: #180 goddamnedfrank

Then there’s real reason, the opportunity they provide to use selective enforcement to fuck over black kids.

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Not in that part of the state—it had more Black Bears than Black kids. Never saw either on a bike.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:53:31am

re: #182 Joe Bacon ✅

Along with complaints that the wine comes from “leftist” California, others were aghast at the prices complaining they can barely feed their families in the “Biden economy.”

J Jonah Jameson Laugh - Spiderman

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Unabogie  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:54:31am

re: #181 wrenchwench

The only time I have ever seen enforcement in a bike lane, it was a Black woman who had been going the wrong way. Tackled, although not on the bike when that happened. Made the paper.

But never when a car drives through a bike lane or a delivery truck blocks the cyclists and forces us into traffic.

Yesterday I went on a long ride on the Springwater trail. At the start of the ride, I saw cops walking the trail from two opposite ends, apparently trying to find a houseless camper. Further up the trail, I saw some guy in a giant truck who had somehow gotten his truck onto the trail and was driving head-on into bike traffic and I had to hop off the bike. No cops there.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:56:33am

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

P.S. Ads on Youtube are just absolutely fucking awful now. Whenever I go there I have to deal with the beginning of some hate filled anti-trans fascist propaganda or bullshit fear mongering over fentanyl. I click past them as soon as I can but it makes me want to go there even less than I did before, which was extremely rarely.

If it’s not the right wing ads it’s Cheech & Chong selling their Cruise Chews…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2023 • 9:57:23am

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

P.S. Ads on Youtube are just absolutely fucking awful now. Whenever I go there I have to deal with the beginning of some hate filled anti-trans fascist propaganda or bullshit fear mongering over fentanyl. I click past them as soon as I can but it makes me want to go there even less than I did before, which was extremely rarely.

I don’t know why, but UBlock Origin is still working for me on YouTube. No problems.

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Nerdy Fish  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:00:23am

re: #181 wrenchwench

The only time I have ever seen enforcement in a bike lane, it was a Black woman who had been going the wrong way. Tackled, although not on the bike when that happened. Made the paper.

The one that bothers me around here is the walking/bike trails that are clearly marked at intersections with STOP signs and signs that say, “Cross traffic does not stop,” and yet I see bicyclists blowing through there all the time. I nearly hit one a few weeks back; he looked like he wanted to have words with me, but all I wanted to do was stick his face in the signs and be like, “What do these say?!?”

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:04:55am

re: #188 Unabogie

But never when a car drives through a bike lane or a delivery truck blocks the cyclists and forces us into traffic.

Yesterday I went on a long ride on the Springwater trail. At the start of the ride, I saw cops walking the trail from two opposite ends, apparently trying to find a houseless camper. Further up the trail, I saw some guy in a giant truck who had somehow gotten his truck onto the trail and was driving head-on into bike traffic and I had to hop off the bike. No cops there.

I got one of them ticketed (I could see him out my apt. window). There should be a municipal position for complaints (with license plate numbers) to go to. If no ‘alternative transport’ person; cops.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:05:57am

re: #191 Nerdy Fish

The one that bothers me around here is the walking/bike trails that are clearly marked at intersections with STOP signs and signs that say, “Cross traffic does not stop,” and yet I see bicyclists blowing through there all the time. I nearly hit one a few weeks back; he looked like he wanted to have words with me, but all I wanted to do was stick his face in the signs and be like, “What do these say?!?”

Both stop or no stop. It’s a traffic engineering problem if signs don’t fix it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:06:42am

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

P.S. Ads on Youtube are just absolutely fucking awful now. Whenever I go there I have to deal with the beginning of some hate filled anti-trans fascist propaganda or bullshit fear mongering over fentanyl. I click past them as soon as I can but it makes me want to go there even less than I did before, which was extremely rarely.

I never watch political themed YouTube videos and rarely see political YouTube ads (except during campaign season).

Seems like Google is cracking down on Adblockers across the board. They’re set to disable a bunch of Chrome extensions next year.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:08:17am

I came here three times to post this. Stop distracting me!

Mastodon

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Nerdy Fish  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:11:56am

re: #193 wrenchwench

Both stop or no stop. It’s a traffic engineering problem if signs don’t fix it.

I’d be perfectly OK with either of those. The only reason it bothers me is because it’s clearly marked, and bicyclists persist in ignoring the signage altogether. I have nothing against cyclists specifically; or rather, I have the same problem with them that I do with motorists, namely, how much both of them seem to go out of their way to break the rules of the road.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:12:24am

re: #185 wrenchwench

Helmet laws have been tossed for patterns of enforcement. I forget where.

Seattle and Tacoma…more coming…

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Unabogie  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:13:58am

re: #196 Nerdy Fish

I’d be perfectly OK with either of those. The only reason it bothers me is because it’s clearly marked, and bicyclists persist in ignoring the signage altogether. I have nothing against cyclists specifically; or rather, I have the same problem with them that I do with motorists, namely, how much both of them seem to go out of their way to break the rules of the road.

In Oregon cyclists have the right to roll through stop signs, provided that they cede the right of way to other vehicles. So for example, if I get to a 4-way stop first, I don’t need to stop rolling. If there’s a car waiting, I need to stop.

As for blowing through stop signs if there’s a chance I can get t-boned? No way. I value not dying too much.

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Nerdy Fish  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:15:35am

re: #198 Unabogie

And that makes sense! I get why cyclists don’t want to stop. I empathize with them. But the intersection where I nearly hit the guy is a blind corner for the motorists, where the trail passes through a forested area and we can’t see the cyclists approaching. He could see me well before I could see him.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:15:43am

re: #197 wrenchwench

Seattle and Tacoma…more coming…

If we’re tossing laws because enforcement is targeting minorities, a lot of laws will have to go, including traffic laws.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:15:43am

re: #190 Dr Lizardo

I don’t know why, but UBlock Origin is still working for me on YouTube. No problems.

Same here.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:17:53am

re: #198 Unabogie

In Oregon cyclists have the right to roll through stop signs, provided that they cede the right of way to other vehicles. So for example, if I get to a 4-way stop first, I don’t need to stop rolling. If there’s a car waiting, I need to stop.

As for blowing through stop signs if there’s a chance I can get t-boned? No way. I value not dying too much.

I was always opposed to that, for not-good reasons. Cyclists are treated as dangerous, whether to themselves, to others, or both, in order to keep them out of the way of automobile drivers. Drivers and pedestrians should be wearing helmets, not cyclists.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:19:12am

re: #199 Nerdy Fish

And that makes sense! I get why cyclists don’t want to stop. I empathize with them. But the intersection where I nearly hit the guy is a blind corner for the motorists, where the trail passes through a forested area and we can’t see the cyclists approaching. He could see me well before I could see him.

Definitely a traffic engineering problem. Cyclist should not be routed there, unless properly accommodated. Signs are not accommodation.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:19:33am

re: #200 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

If we’re tossing laws because enforcement is targeting minorities, a lot of laws will have to go, including traffic laws.

Let’s get busy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:22:00am

re: #200 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

If we’re tossing laws because enforcement is targeting minorities, a lot of laws will have to go, including traffic laws.

But isn’t selective enforcement more of a cop problem than a law problem?

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Nerdy Fish  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:22:45am

re: #203 wrenchwench

Definitely a traffic engineering problem. Cyclist should not be routed there, unless properly accommodated. Signs are not accommodation.

Across the busy intersections, they have built overpasses. I would not be surprised to see them continue this practice over the less-busy intersections such as this one. There’s another one further out that’s much more problematic that I think they should prioritize, as it goes right into a populated subdivision and crosses a much busier road.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:23:03am

re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg

But isn’t selective enforcement more of a cop problem than a law problem?

If they cannot be separated, it’s a both problem.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:25:23am

re: #206 Nerdy Fish

Across the busy intersections, they have built overpasses. I would not be surprised to see them continue this practice over the less-busy intersections such as this one. There’s another one further out that’s much more problematic that I think they should prioritize, as it goes right into a populated subdivision and crosses a much busier road.

It’s physically and financially easier to make the cars stop. It is politically as hard to stop a car as it is to stop a gun. And equally deadly. Too bad there aren’t ‘gun overpasses’.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:29:00am

Relevant to the discussion on selective enforcement:

The largest-ever study of alleged racial profiling during traffic stops has found that blacks, who are pulled over more frequently than whites by day, are much less likely to be stopped after sunset, when “a veil of darkness” masks their race.

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Nerdy Fish  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:30:37am

re: #208 wrenchwench

It’s physically and financially easier to make the cars stop. It is politically as hard to stop a car as it is to stop a gun. And equally deadly. Too bad there aren’t ‘gun overpasses’.

Right? Cars are strictly regulated, and nobody complains about that. The only reason we get away with that is because the Constitution doesn’t have an amendment that says “the right to keep and operate cars shall not be infringed.”

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:30:57am

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

Relevant to the discussion on selective enforcement:

‘Blind justice’ needs to start with the cops.

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:35:32am

re: #210 Nerdy Fish

Right? Cars are strictly regulated, and nobody complains about that. The only reason we get away with that is because the Constitution doesn’t have an amendment that says “the right to keep and operate cars shall not be infringed.”

We need to acknowledge that those who bear tools can’t have just their behavior regulated, the tools themselves need regulation because the humans who wield them are so unregulable.

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Nerdy Fish  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:39:53am

re: #212 wrenchwench

We need to acknowledge that those who bear tools can’t have just their behavior regulated, the tools themselves need regulation because the humans who wield them are so unregulable.

Regulating behavior, by its very nature, is post facto enforcement. It’s already illegal to shoot people, but we can’t do anything about it until people get shot. By regulating the tools, and the ability to access those tools, we move towards being able to prevent people getting shot, rather than punishing after the fact.

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Teukka  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:46:53am

New probable narrative on the horizon, “Israel false-flagging terrorist attacks in the West”:

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Jay C  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:51:29am

re: #182 Joe Bacon ✅

Well, to be kinda/sorta/somewhat objective*, Devin Nunes’ winery project does seem admirably ambitious (Personally, I like Portuguese wines**) - but presents a few problems which are likely to take a lot of time/money/marketing to overcome.

1. Time: I see that the only wine Nunes is offering is a 2021 vintage: I’m no expert, but I would imagine even the Cab Sauv (still more the Portuguese varietals) are likely to take a few years yet (despite the elevated[?] alcoholic content) to become drinkable. A few more years, likely, of uncovered expenses.

2. Money: I see total 2021 production is only 887 cases of all types: I’m guessing the relatively small production (and, of course, the huge capital investment needed in the wine biz) is driving that hefty price tag. Presumably they’ve set the price point at something like break-even, but even so: even $50 for the Cab isn’t exactly a bargain.

3. Marketing: yeah, ya think that the average MAGA Moron slavering over the shitposts on TS is going to be a wine buff? If that demographic drinks wine at all, it’s most likely to be out of a cardboard box: and, even leaving aside the boilerplate bitching about food prices, they’re REALLY unlikely to want to pop $75 for a bottle of Devin’s Vinho Vinagre : “Patriot” pitch or not…


* Naahh, who am I kidding? The opportunity to mock Devin Nunes is too obvious an opening. I see the winery’s blurb descibes him as “farmer-turned-politician”: I see it as exactly the other way round
**OK, only an amateur oenophile, but I’ve never heard of those Portuguese varieties he’s growing. Good luck to him….

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wrenchwench  Nov 25, 2023 • 10:52:56am

re: #213 Nerdy Fish

Regulating behavior, by its very nature, is post facto enforcement. It’s already illegal to shoot people, but we can’t do anything about it until people get shot. By regulating the tools, and the ability to access those tools, we move towards being able to prevent people getting shot, rather than punishing after the fact.

It must be ‘cultural change’ that regulates behavior in a ‘preventing problems’ sort of way. It’s true that nobody is making the number one behavioral cause of death by firearms in Oregon illegal; it’s suicide. Suicide is the number one cause of death by firearms in Oregon. It’s 80% here, 40-60% in most of the US.

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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2023 • 12:31:52pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

I got one of them ticketed (I could see him out my apt. window). There should be a municipal position for complaints (with license plate numbers) to go to. If no ‘alternative transport’ person; cops.

I’ll vote for you!


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