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There lives more faith in honest doubt, believe me, than in half the creeds.
— Alfred, Lord Tennyson
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freetoken Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:28:18pm |
I honestly doubt many people even know what is in "the creeds".
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:29:10pm |
Did anyone check the solaranite futures market for overnight?
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freetoken Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:35:35pm |
re: #3 Fenway_Nation
Solarnite, along with Kryptonite and Naquada, is down in the early markets.
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freetoken Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:36:15pm |
pimf "solaranite"
/"solarnite" being the raw mineral form, of course
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:36:18pm |
Never heard of him. Here is what Wiki has to say;
Tennyson wrote a number of phrases that have become commonplaces of the English language, including: "Nature, red in tooth and claw", "'Tis better to have loved and lost / Than never to have loved at all", "Theirs not to reason why, / Theirs but to do and die", "My strength is as the strength of ten, / Because my heart is pure", "Knowledge comes, but Wisdom lingers", and "The old order changeth, yielding place to new". He is the second most frequently quoted writer in The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, after Shakespeare.[1]
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:38:48pm |
re: #4 freetoken
What about Latinum and Dylithium? I heard they might suspend trading for those...
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sngnsgt Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:39:54pm |
Anyone tried the swirly florescent light bulbs? I went to a local big-box store and picked up a 12 pack of them. I'm not an environmental wacko, I just thought I'd start changing a few to avoid the rush.
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:41:48pm |
re: #8 sngnsgt
Anyone tried the swirly florescent light bulbs? I went to a local big-box store and picked up a 12 pack of them. I'm not an environmental wacko, I just thought I'd start changing a few to avoid the rush.
What about the old chandeliers? I am going to buy all the old stuff.
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sngnsgt Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:43:25pm |
re: #9 Erik The Red
What about the old chandeliers? I am going to buy all the old stuff.
I thought about that too, what are people supposed to do about that kind of stuff, just buy up all the old ones they can find?
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:44:17pm |
So- who's up for some goose and python?
/2 potential food sources I can't believe we're letting fall by the wayside
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:44:32pm |
re: #10 sngnsgt
I thought about that too, what are people supposed to do about that kind of stuff, just buy up all the old ones they can find?
Will I get a tax credit if I have to replace every light fixture in my house?
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BatGuano Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:45:44pm |
re: #6 Erik The Red.
Try The Charge of The Light Brigade. You might like it.
[Link: poetry.eserver.org...]
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:46:01pm |
re: #11 Fenway_Nation
So- who's up for some goose and python?
/2 potential food sources I can't believe we're letting fall by the wayside
I have eaten snake and duck. Package it right and you may have the answer for world hunger.
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Sharmuta Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:46:41pm |
Speaking of benchmarks- we're over halfway to 8 million:
Comments: 7,501,521
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:47:07pm |
re: #15 BatGuano
.
Try The Charge of The Light Brigade. You might like it.
[Link: poetry.eserver.org...]
Hey Bat. Long time live. How are you?
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:47:26pm |
re: #17 Sharmuta
I'll try and do my part by posting more incoherent jibberish...
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BatGuano Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:48:50pm |
re: #19 Erik The Red
Good. How you? My work schedule is all over the place.
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lobo91 Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:49:39pm |
re: #17 Sharmuta
Speaking of benchmarks- we're over halfway to 8 million:
Comments: 7,501,521
Wouldn't 4 million be halfway to 8 million?
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:50:08pm |
I hope fruitcup is extra special tonight. I may just be he to have some fresh.:)))
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:50:52pm |
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:52:44pm |
re: #16 Erik The Red
I posted a link last night for python available on an 'exotic meats' website.
I think marketing Canadian Goose and Python as some sort of delicacy would be a unique way of dealing with a nuisance and invasive species respectively...
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sngnsgt Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:52:54pm |
re: #13 Erik The Red
Will I get a tax credit if I have to replace every light fixture in my house?
Yea really, what about that? I have a lot of hanging stuff that only fits the smaller bulbs.
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sngnsgt Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:54:06pm |
re: #14 Fenway_Nation
Hmm...black market light bulbs?
I was just thinking about that, I could run around buying up all the old type and sell them on the black market.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:54:08pm |
re: #25 TheMatrix31
Is that like the default attempt to boost one's ratings these days?
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:54:50pm |
re: #28 sngnsgt
I was just thinking about that, I could run around buying up all the old type and sell them on the black market.
Hey I have the Florida franchise already. :)
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:56:28pm |
re: #30 Erik The Red
Should we just call you Tony Montana then?
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:56:43pm |
re: #29 Fenway_Nation
Is that like the default attempt to boost one's ratings these days?
I dunno. I think Conan's doing well though ratingswise.
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sngnsgt Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:56:52pm |
re: #30 Erik The Red
Hey I have the Florida franchise already. :)
Shhh, should you be saying that on-line? /
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:57:19pm |
re: #10 sngnsgt
I thought about that too, what are people supposed to do about that kind of stuff, just buy up all the old ones they can find?
I don't have a link but another lizard said that"new & improved" incandescent light bulbs are coming back, expensive though.
I've been using those weird ones for a few years now, in the hallways, etc., but try to read a book using one of those, especially if you are an original type baby boomer like me.
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:57:23pm |
29 Days Smoke Free today. :))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):)))
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capitalist piglet Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:57:46pm |
re: #25 TheMatrix31
Argh...stupid Palin jokes on Conan.
Some people just can't leave her alone, even though she has no power over their lives. There has to be a clinical name for that kind of obsession.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:59:25pm |
Hello, late night Lizards!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:59:45pm |
re: #38 Sharmuta
WTF?!
[Link: www.askmen.com...]
OMG That is not even a flattering picture of her. IMHO
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:00:00am |
re: #36 Erik The Red
A BIG congratulations to you.
(Sure wish I could quit...)
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:00:00am |
Today in History, July 30th:
Highlights of this day in history: Ex-Teamsters leader Jimmy Hoffa disappears; Medicare and Medicaid signed into law; A blast rocks Black Tom Island; The USS Indianapolis sunk; Henry Ford and Arnold Schwarzenegger born.
Other notable July 30th events include:
762 – Baghdad is founded.
1619 – In Jamestown, Virginia, the first representative assembly in the Americas, the House of Burgesses, convenes for the first time.
1729 – Baltimore, Maryland is founded.
1733 – The first Masonic Grand Lodge in the future United States is constituted in Massachusetts.
1866 – New Orleans's Democratic government orders police to raid an integrated Republican Party meeting, killing 40 people and injuring 150.
1932 – Premiere of Walt Disney's Flowers and Trees, the first cartoon short to use Technicolor and the first Academy Award winning cartoon short.
1956 – A joint resolution of the U.S. Congress is signed by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, authorizing "In God We Trust" as the U.S. national motto.
2002 – The accounting law referred to as "The Sarbanes Oxley Act" is signed into law by President George W. Bush.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:01:15am |
re: #42 Pvt Bin Jammin
OMG That is not even a flattering picture of her. IMHO
I don't have a girl-crush on her at all! And they put her at #3?!
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:02:27am |
re: #44 gmsc
Today in History, July 30th:
1932 – Premiere of Walt Disney's Flowers and Trees, the first cartoon short to use Technicolor and the first Academy Award winning cartoon short.
Flowers and Trees:
Technically, there were other cartoons that used Technicolor before Flowers and Trees, but they were all what was known as 2-track Technicolor, referring to the red and green tracks used. Flowers and Trees was the first to use 3-track Technicolor (red, green and blue), and Disney even had exclusive rights to use it for some time.
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:03:57am |
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:04:17am |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:29am |
re: #45 Fenway_Nation
Hi Fenway!
I can't call you the Dodger field & compliment you, like you play on my name ;(
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BignJames Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:30am |
re: #8 sngnsgt
Anyone tried the swirly florescent light bulbs? I went to a local big-box store and picked up a 12 pack of them. I'm not an environmental wacko, I just thought I'd start changing a few to avoid the rush.
After they warm up a bit they put out more light...so they're not quite as bad as I once thought they were...I still like the old ones better.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:36am |
re: #50 Pvt Bin Jammin
I can handle the fawning press putting her on the list, but #3?! Really?
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:44am |
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:54am |
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:56am |
re: #8 sngnsgt
Anyone tried the swirly florescent light bulbs? I went to a local big-box store and picked up a 12 pack of them. I'm not an environmental wacko, I just thought I'd start changing a few to avoid the rush.
I slowly converted most of the house over to these a couple of years ago. They last forever - I've yet to replace any of them - and my electric bill, year over year, dropped about 10 percent. I like them because of their longevity - quite a few of the fixtures I have are a pain to reach, so anything that puts off changing bulbs is welcome.
Prices have now dropped to the point where they're almost comparable with conventional bulbs; cheaper, if you factor in the longer life.
Downsides: the take about a minute to come up to full brightness; when first turned on, they may seem a little on the dim side. After a while, you get used to this. They just won't fit in some fixtures. They aren't dimmable (I guess you can buy dimmable versions, but I've never seen them, and reviews are not good); higher wattages are hard to come by, and often have to be installed upright - not upside down or sideways - in order to work properly.
Some people complain about the color quality. I use soft white versions, and they seem to match conventional light bulbs very well. But maybe that's just me.
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:06:14am |
re: #36 Erik The Red
29 Days Smoke Free today. :))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):) )):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):)))
Congrats on a smoke-free month!
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:06:54am |
re: #55 Fenway_Nation
Congrats, Erik...
Now lets celebrate by getting shitfaced!
I am halfway there already :)
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:07:04am |
re: #55 Fenway_Nation
Congrats, Erik...
Now lets celebrate by getting shitfaced!
Mind if I get pi-faced?
;)
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:08:04am |
re: #52 BignJames
After they warm up a bit they put out more light...so they're not quite as bad as I once thought they were...I still like the old ones better.
I have one in a lamp. It's been in there for over a year.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:10:11am |
re: #37 capitalist piglet
Some people just can't leave her alone, even though she has no power over their lives. There has to be a clinical name for that kind of obsession.
I would LOVE to see them slam Obama like this. It also perpetuates the notion that she's a moron, which is just horribly wrong.
As for Obama being a "boner-popper", if you mean having a boner being destroyed by a pound of C4, then yes.
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BignJames Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:10:14am |
re: #60 Sharmuta
I have one in a lamp. It's been in there for over a year.
I guess we'll have to get used to them.
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:10:18am |
re: #60 Sharmuta
I have one in a lamp. It's been in there for over a year.
Hey, the old flourescents can last a good long time, too!
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:10:44am |
re: #50 Pvt Bin Jammin
Me neither, and I think I'm the supposed target audience of that article.
If I wanted to point out a strong, attractive, level-headed black woman who probably can keep her cool in a tense situation and should serve as a role model to lots of young 'uns, I'd have to go with Officer King of the Cambridge, MA police department.
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:11:26am |
The familiar faces of the LNDT are coming out. :) Night Walkers UNITE.
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sngnsgt Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:11:55am |
re: #56 SixDegrees
To you and BignJames, that's one of the reasons why I've been replacing them, they last forever.
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:13:17am |
re: #36 Erik The Red
29 Days Smoke Free today. :))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):) )):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):))):)))
Congratulations!
You will be so glad to be free of it - a new lease on life in more ways than the obvious. Good on 'ya!
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:13:33am |
re: #63 gmsc
Hey, the old flourescents can last a good long time, too!
Actually, that's an incandescent bulb.
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:13:48am |
Sharmuta I am ready for a artist change. You choose please.
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:14:38am |
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:15:40am |
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:16:02am |
Here's a great parody of Feist's "1 2 3 4" . . . by Feist?!?
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:16:31am |
re: #38 Sharmuta
Wonder if Tina Fey would've made the cut if Sarah Palin was still the relatively obscure governor of Alaska (not former VP Candidate).
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:17:07am |
re: #69 Erik The Red
Sharmuta I am ready for a artist change. You choose please.
I would go with some Dire Straits. There's hardly anything like Dire Straits when trying to mellow out.
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:17:13am |
re: #43 Floral Giraffe
A BIG congratulations to you.
(Sure wish I could quit...)
Hi, Floral Giraffe - hospitalization for a week works like a charm for quitting! Kidney infection and bills not so much fun, however...
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:19:09am |
re: #73 Fenway_Nation
Wonder if Tina Fey would've made the cut if Sarah Palin was still the relatively obscure governor of Alaska (not former VP Candidate).
Probably. I always thought she was really cute, especially considering my thing for glasses. Ironically, it was only after the Palin stuff started that I found her less physically attractive. On top of getting annoyed with her, she literally stopped looking as good as she used to.
It's probably because Palin is hotter than Fey could ever wish to be.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:23:40am |
For some reason I can't sleep, so I just watched a whole bunch of Penn & Teller "Bullshit" episodes, including the ones on "Alternative Medicine" and "New Age Medicine". Charles, you should link those sometime on a slow day. I nearly died laughing. And I say that as someone who was duped by an acupuncturist "friend" into spending big, big bucks over a long period of time for "treatments" of a condition that acupuncture has no possible effect on. I, Cato, morus credulus maxissimus. She played on my desperation.
P&T offer the best explanation for why the placebo effect works when someone passes their hands over you (no touching, just waving their hands around) to "adjust your energy fields" or whatever bullshit they're selling. They pay a lot of attention to their patients, and we all love to have attention paid to us.
And they interview a young lady who as a nine-year-old devised an experiment to see whether these "touch therapists" could actually sense energy. She proved definitively that they can't. Using a sheet of cardboard with two holes cut in it. And won a place in the Guinness Book of Records as the youngest person ever to have her work published in a major medical journal.
Bottom line: Don't feel bad if you've been duped. Just get over it and let your healthy skepticism come to the rescue next time.
And now I'm going to try to sleep.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:26:40am |
Wow, this Maddow idiot needs to shut the fuck up.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:28:00am |
re: #82 TheMatrix31
Wow, this Maddow idiot needs to shut the fuck up.
I'll tell her you said that.
Right after Glenn Beck admits he's a lying sack of moronic bullshit and closes down his show.
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:28:34am |
re: #80 Cato the Elder
For some reason I can't sleep, so I just watched a whole bunch of Penn & Teller "Bullshit" episodes, including the ones on "Alternative Medicine" and "New Age Medicine". Charles, you should link those sometime on a slow day. I nearly died laughing. And I say that as someone who was duped by an acupuncturist "friend" into spending big, big bucks over a long period of time for "treatments" of a condition that acupuncture has no possible effect on. I, Cato, morus credulus maxissimus. She played on my desperation.
P&T offer the best explanation for why the placebo effect works when someone passes their hands over you (no touching, just waving their hands around) to "adjust your energy fields" or whatever bullshit they're selling. They pay a lot of attention to their patients, and we all love to have attention paid to us.
And they interview a young lady who as a nine-year-old devised an experiment to see whether these "touch therapists" could actually sense energy. She proved definitively that they can't. Using a sheet of cardboard with two holes cut in it. And won a place in the Guinness Book of Records as the youngest person ever to have her work published in a major medical journal.
Bottom line: Don't feel bad if you've been duped. Just get over it and let your healthy skepticism come to the rescue next time.
And now I'm going to try to sleep.
Here's a trip through the LGF archives you can appreciate:
Penn and Teller Take on Creationism
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:29:18am |
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:29:36am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:31:27am |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:32:14am |
re: #86 TheMatrix31
No insinuation, a flat statement. Rachel Maddow needs to shut the fuck up the same way Glenn Beck does. Which is not at all. It's called free speech, and every idiot is entitled to it.
Don't like it? Don't watch.
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:32:34am |
44 spends more time in front of the TV cameras than he does in the oval office doing his job!
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:32:45am |
re: #85 gmsc
Here's a trip through the LGF archives you can appreciate:
Penn and Teller Take on Creationism
I favorited that for later...
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:33:01am |
re: #86 TheMatrix31
Wait- Is Rachel Maddow on the Conan O'Brien show now?
Or did you just change channels?
And what did she say that you find so irksome? Anything besides the usual rah-rah cheerleading for the 0bama Admin.?
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:33:09am |
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:33:43am |
Health Care Thought of the Day
If the government can tax food because eating too much can increase health care costs, what about sex? Sex leads to all kinds of medically expensive consequences (STDs, including AIDS; aborted pregnancies; childbirth). Shouldn’t we tax sex as well, by the same logic?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:34:31am |
re: #53 Sharmuta
I agree, but they probably do that for most first ladies. I've liked a lot of them and I think Barbara Bush was one of my favorites, though she probably never made any lists. I seem to have a lot of e-mails , sorry for being slow to respond.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:35:17am |
re: #90 Erik The Red
Shhh...If he thinks he's still campaigning, then maybe he'll forget to sign off on ruinous progressive legislation like card check, cap and trade, 0bamacare or a 2nd stimulus...
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:35:38am |
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:35:56am |
re: #89 Cato the Elder
No insinuation, a flat statement. Rachel Maddow needs to shut the fuck up the same way Glenn Beck does. Which is not at all. It's called free speech, and every idiot is entitled to it.
Don't like it? Don't watch.
Just because someone has the right to free speech doesn't mean I don't have the right to call them a fucking moron for what they have to say or suggest that they should shut up because they're completely, 100% wrong.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:37:07am |
re: #92 Fenway_Nation
Wait- Is Rachel Maddow on the Conan O'Brien show now?
Or did you just change channels?
And what did she say that you find so irksome? Anything besides the usual rah-rah cheerleading for the 0bama Admin.?
She was on Conan talking about how "the recent criticism of this healthcare plan is that now, people are being scared into believe that this plan is being implement to kill off old people."
NO you MORON. The CRITICISM is that we dont want THE GOVERNMENT to tell people what they CAN or CANT have done to them.
ARGH!
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:38:31am |
re: #94 gmsc
My my...I boldly predict that suddenly the progressives see no problem with gov't keeping track of the goings on inside somebody's fridge or bedroom.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39:46am |
re: #102 Fenway_Nation
My my...I boldly predict that suddenly the progressives see no problem with gov't keeping track of the goings on inside somebody's fridge or bedroom.
That blog didn't look to be progressive.
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pat Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:40:14am |
re: #102 Fenway_Nation
Until a GOP administration. Then all bets are off.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:40:41am |
re: #100 TheMatrix31
So...it's a 'personality' from one part of the NBC networks being interviewed by another NBC host?
lame
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:40:59am |
Dang, "Chicago" was just on the "Tonight Show". What a great band.
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:41:11am |
re: #102 Fenway_Nation
My my...I boldly predict that suddenly the progressives see no problem with gov't keeping track of the goings on inside somebody's fridge or bedroom.
I've always thought that Republicans need to add provisions to the health care bill that the Democrats would never allow at the moment - such as taxes on . . . um . . . thingy.
If we can't get the Dems to stop turning the heat up on its citizen frogs, then lets make damn sure that the heat is turned all the way up so that the frogs notice it and jump out as soon as possible!
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:41:43am |
re: #107 gmsc
I've always thought that Republicans need to add provisions to the health care bill that the Democrats would never allow at the moment - such as taxes on . . . um . . . thingy.
[Video]If we can't get the Dems to stop turning the heat up on its citizen frogs, then lets make damn sure that the heat is turned all the way up so that the frogs notice it and jump out as soon as possible!
Ooops - nudity warning on the video.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:42:55am |
re: #105 Fenway_Nation
So...it's a 'personality' from one part of the NBC networks being interviewed by another NBC host?
lame
Pretty much. I liked it better when Conan didn't get into politics.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:42:58am |
re: #75 GGMac
That sounds scary! Glad you made it!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:43:33am |
re: #102 Fenway_Nation
My my...I boldly predict that suddenly the progressives see no problem with gov't keeping track of the goings on inside somebody's fridge or bedroom.
OMG They'd better not look in my fridge, they might find "ancient Chinese secrets". LOL
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freetoken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:44:46am |
re: #100 TheMatrix31
Ummm... just a few flights downstairs, on a moldy thread, someone at the end ranted about just that - the nefarious scheme to kill off old people. That claim is getting big play throughout the right-o-sphere.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:44:52am |
re: #107 gmsc
Um- having the GOP propose a sex tax to the health care bill is probably the wrong image to send people. People already think the GOP wants to be in their bedroom- we shouldn't give the notion validity by actually proposing such a thing.
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kywrite Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:45:20am |
I'm researching something for an article/ blog post, depending on how much I find -- can anyone answer for me:
Did birther "lawyer" Orly Taitz once have some important links to the 9/11 troofers?
I suspect there's a blog somewhere on Wayback that will give me all the data I need, but Ms. Taitz appears to change her blog home frequently -twice just this year, I think.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:45:38am |
re: #111 Pvt Bin Jammin
Hate to say it, but if the feds were snooping around, they'd find more in my fridge than in my bedroom...
/*sigh* Maybe another trip to Argentina's in order
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:45:52am |
re: #111 Pvt Bin Jammin
Ok, I read that as "ancient cheese" at first glance.
Must be getting tired!
LOL!
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:46:12am |
Four Years After Kelo Ruling, Now-Barren Area Still Needs ‘Springboard’
Remember the Kelo vs. New London 4 years ago? Susette Kelo is still living in the same house, and the city of New London still wants her out, but now there's far less incentive for the city to do so, as the bottom has dropped out of their plans.
Click the link above and read the whole thing.
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:47:30am |
re: #113 Sharmuta
Um- having the GOP propose a sex tax to the health care bill is probably the wrong image to send people. People already think the GOP wants to be in their bedroom- we shouldn't give the notion validity by actually proposing such a thing.
The purpose wouldn't be to have the law enforced, but to scare the Democrats off the bill. It wouldn't have to be a sex tax. It could something equally abhorrent to the Democrats, or even just something they don't want to include too soon.
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sngnsgt Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:47:56am |
re: #111 Pvt Bin Jammin
OMG They'd better not look in my fridge, they might find "ancient Chinese secrets". LOL
LOL, I think mine might have a few science projects going on in there...
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freetoken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:48:34am |
re: #114 kywrite
Did you look at the Taitz article that Charles did a couple of months ago?
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:48:38am |
re: #111 Pvt Bin Jammin
OMG They'd better not look in my fridge, they might find "ancient Chinese secrets". LOL
You keep Calgon in your fridge?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:49:08am |
If going through the whole nirther thing yesterday wasn't a strain, I am self abusing by listening to Coast to Coast. Morning all.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:49:15am |
re: #118 gmsc
The purpose wouldn't be to have the law enforced, but to scare the Democrats off the bill. It wouldn't have to be a sex tax. It could something equally abhorrent to the Democrats, or even just something they don't want to include too soon.
I get that, but this bloggers idea is the wrong topic. We don't need to send the message we really do want to be in people's bedrooms. That stink will last for quite a few election cycles.
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freetoken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:49:45am |
re: #122 Cannadian Club Akbar
You listen to George Noory?
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:49:49am |
re: #112 freetoken
Ummm... just a few flights downstairs, on a moldy thread, someone at the end ranted about just that - the nefarious scheme to kill off old people. That claim is getting big play throughout the right-o-sphere.
Never saw it, never seen it. I don't pay attention to the loonies. It's completely dishonest and downright irresponsible on her part to portray the loonie view as the MAIN criticism, especially on a nationally syndicated show.
Fucking terrible.
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:49:59am |
re: #122 Cannadian Club Akbar
If going through the whole nirther thing yesterday wasn't a strain, I am self abusing by listening to Coast to Coast. Morning all.
Turn it off and listen to some U2.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:50:40am |
re: #115 Fenway_Nation
Hate to say it, but if the feds were snooping around, they'd find more in my fridge than in my bedroom...
/*sigh* Maybe another trip to Argentina's in order
I am old, my "fridge" tells the secrets too. My hubby and I hate each other's food choices. We are both bad, but I am on the more healthy side.
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:50:55am |
re: #123 Sharmuta
I get that, but this bloggers idea is the wrong topic. We don't need to send the message we really do want to be in people's bedrooms. That stink will last for quite a few election cycles.
If you read the rest of the blog, you'll see that he's using that to express skepticism of the healthcare bill (and proposing what would seem an inevitable consequence of it) - not even actually suggesting such a tax should be added to the bill.
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:51:00am |
re: #110 Floral Giraffe
That sounds scary! Glad you made it!
Actually, the morphine at times made it kind of an amusing experience. I'm told I was pretty silly, besides being out there.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:51:02am |
re: #98 TheMatrix31
Just because someone has the right to free speech doesn't mean I don't have the right to call them a fucking moron for what they have to say or suggest that they should shut up because they're completely, 100% wrong.
Suggest away. I think you'll have about as much success with Rachel as I would have with Ann Coulter. Success on any level, any way you care to define it.
But if it makes you feel better to mouth off on a blog that someone "needs" to shut the fuck up, have at it!
I think people who tell other people they "need" to do something when that something is merely something that the first set of people want the second set to do - those people need to understand that the only thing anyone in this world needs to do is die, eventually.
What's that? I need to do what you tell me to do, Mr Policeman? Fuck if I do. What you're saying is you'll shoot me if I don't. Fine. Keep your fucking mouth off my needs, though.
I'm going now, I really am. I feel the need.
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gmsc Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:51:12am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:51:57am |
re: #124 freetoken
You listen to George Noory?
I don't watch much TV at all, so I like radio. I love the fact that people can have 2 doctorates and try to tell me there is a sekrit society living in the middle of the earth.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:52:34am |
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:10am |
re: #131 Cato the Elder
Suggest away. I think you'll have about as much success with Rachel as I would have with Ann Coulter. Success on any level, any way you care to define it.
But if it makes you feel better to mouth off on a blog that someone "needs" to shut the fuck up, have at it!
I think people who tell other people they "need" to do something when that something is merely something that the first set of people want the second set to do - those people need to understand that the only thing anyone in this world needs to do is die, eventually.
What's that? I need to do what you tell me to do, Mr Policeman? Fuck if I do. What you're saying is you'll shoot me if I don't. Fine. Keep your fucking mouth off my needs, though.
I'm going now, I really am. I feel the need.
lol...okay
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:10am |
re: #131 Cato the Elder
Suggest away. I think you'll have about as much success with Rachel as I would have with Ann Coulter. Success on any level, any way you care to define it.
But if it makes you feel better to mouth off on a blog that someone "needs" to shut the fuck up, have at it!
I think people who tell other people they "need" to do something when that something is merely something that the first set of people want the second set to do - those people need to understand that the only thing anyone in this world needs to do is die, eventually.
What's that? I need to do what you tell me to do, Mr Policeman? Fuck if I do. What you're saying is you'll shoot me if I don't. Fine. Keep your fucking mouth off my needs, though.
I'm going now, I really am. I feel the need.
Ah I knew you knew that word. :)
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:18am |
re: #93 gmsc
Good idea. It would only keep you up later.
;)
I did watch the beginning of the gun control episode just now. Funny. That gun shop at the beginning - I've bought a bunch of stuff there. It's changed names and owners, but it's still there.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:44am |
Crazies are crazies. Might as well enjoy them:)
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:51am |
re: #119 sngnsgt
LOL, I think mine might have a few science projects going on in there...
I just throw the whole thing out now. Not into saving this "Tupperware" or whatever. LOL
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:55:10am |
re: #136 Erik The Red
Ah I knew you knew that word. :)
'Course I do. I just try really, really hard not to direct it at individuals who are in the room. ;^)
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:55:54am |
re: #119 sngnsgt
LOL, I think mine might have a few science projects going on in there...
The kind with long green whiskers? Think I've maybe got a couple of those lurking in there somewhere.
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:56:47am |
re: #140 Cato the Elder
'Course I do. I just try really, really hard not to direct it at individuals who are in the room. ;^)
Fair enough. I should leave that for the trolls.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:57:18am |
re: #140 Cato the Elder
'Course I do. I just try really, really hard not to direct it at individuals who are in the room. ;^)
That's why I direct it at Rachel Maddow and others of the same ilk.
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kywrite Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:59:04am |
re: #120 freetoken
Did you look at the Taitz article that Charles did a couple of months ago?
Just checked it again -- no dice. I saw a reference in a comment on another blog that she and a couple other Nirthers used to be involved deep in the 911 troof stuff, and it makes sense -- but I can't find any credible references. Sigh. Thanks tho.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:59:10am |
re: #133 Cannadian Club Akbar
I don't watch much TV at all, so I like radio. I love the fact that people can have 2 doctorates and try to tell me there is a sekrit society living in the middle of the earth.
You talkin' about the Tibetan tunnels? Now that's something I'm really scared of...just the alliteration alone makes me break out into a sweat...
;^)
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:59:42am |
re: #132 gmsc
Well...since we were discussing odd, sinister stuff lurking in the fridge, I thought I'd work in a Ghostbusters reference.
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:59:51am |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:00:12am |
re: #130 GGMac
I was given morphine after my appendix ruptured.
Amazing stuff. They ran tests for over an hour to determine what was wrong. I remember thinking "Gee, this test ususally hurts" and not feeling a thing.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:00:36am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:02:11am |
Beers on tap tonight:
Zero: Bud Light
Gates: Red Stripe
Crowely: Blue Moon (not sure which flavor)
I woud have told Zero I wanted Busch beer
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:02:15am |
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:03:05am |
re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar
Beers on tap tonight:
Zero: Bud Light
Gates: Red Stripe
Crowely: Blue Moon (not sure which flavor)
I woud have told Zero I wanted Busch beer
Honey Moon is pretty darn good.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:03:54am |
re: #150 Floral Giraffe
I was given morphine after my appendix ruptured.
Amazing stuff. They ran tests for over an hour to determine what was wrong. I remember thinking "Gee, this test ususally hurts" and not feeling a thing.
You can see why people get hooked, huh?
I would like to try smoking opium 'fore I die. Not interested in heroin, I hate needles, but a good draw on an old-fashioned Chinese opium pipe, just once...I don't think I could resist.
Then take it away from me, fast, and don't come back no matter how much I beg.
I'm dead serious. Probably stupid, too. But serious I am.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:06:00am |
re: #157 TheMatrix31
Honey Moon is pretty darn good.
I went to a friends house one afternoon and he had a 12 pack of Hornsby's (Don't recall the flavor) I drank 6 before I realized what I had done. OOps.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:07:00am |
re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar
Beer for the teachable moment. Too bad for 0bama that he's the one who got schooled...
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:07:03am |
re: #150 Floral Giraffe
I was given morphine after my appendix ruptured.
Amazing stuff. They ran tests for over an hour to determine what was wrong. I remember thinking "Gee, this test ususally hurts" and not feeling a thing.
I'll bet you sure felt it when it ruptured. Owies! And they can't do laproscopic removal with a rupture, can they? Long recovery..
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:07:17am |
re: #158 Cato the Elder
You can see why people get hooked, huh?
I would like to try smoking opium 'fore I die. Not interested in heroin, I hate needles, but a good draw on an old-fashioned Chinese opium pipe, just once...I don't think I could resist.
Then take it away from me, fast, and don't come back no matter how much I beg.
I'm dead serious. Probably stupid, too. But serious I am.
You can smoke heroin.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:09:14am |
Saw a thing on History Channel over the weekend. In the mid 1800's, they gave drunks morphine to get them a buzz. It kept them from brawling or beating their wives.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:09:47am |
re: #159 Cannadian Club Akbar
I went to a friends house one afternoon and he had a 12 pack of Hornsby's (Don't recall the flavor) I drank 6 before I realized what I had done. OOps.
I don't even like beer that much, but I'm slowly finding a few that I like.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:10:14am |
re: #163 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did they give Hitler and the space aliens who built the pyramids morphine, too?
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:11:20am |
Changing from U2 to The Corrs.
Runaway -The Corrs Unplugged
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:12:29am |
re: #164 TheMatrix31
I don't even like beer that much, but I'm slowly finding a few that I like.
I never drank as a kid. When I joined the Navy and was stuck in the middle of no where (airfield), the E Club was all there was to do.
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:12:49am |
re: #158 Cato the Elder
You can see why people get hooked, huh?
I would like to try smoking opium 'fore I die. Not interested in heroin, I hate needles, but a good draw on an old-fashioned Chinese opium pipe, just once...I don't think I could resist.
Then take it away from me, fast, and don't come back no matter how much I beg.
I'm dead serious. Probably stupid, too. But serious I am.
Sounds like you have a 'bucket list' :)
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:13:35am |
re: #168 Cannadian Club Akbar
I never drank as a kid. When I joined the Navy and was stuck in the middle of no where (airfield), the E Club was all there was to do.
I'll take a Pepsi over a beer any freakin' day.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:13:48am |
re: #166 Fenway_Nation
Did they give Hitler and the space aliens who built the pyramids morphine, too?
Not sure about the aliens, but IIRC, Hitler was an amphetamine junkie.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:13:51am |
Goodnight, lizards. I love all of you, and I am going to bed so if anyone wants to respond, do it later. Cato, I agree with you but you come on too strong. My hubby just had spinal surgery on Cervical 5/Cervical 6. He could have been paralyzed by the surgery OR the chiropractic thing. He's doing pretty well. If he would only stay still.
'Nite Cato and all of the lizards.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:16:47am |
Speaking of Obamacare big government, etc., my wife came across this quote I was unaware of. It is from an obscure Virginian although I heard he could give a mean speech, like Obama.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government, lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
— Patrick Henry
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:16:50am |
re: #172 Pvt Bin Jammin
Goodnight, lizards. I love all of you, and I am going to bed so if anyone wants to respond, do it later. Cato, I agree with you but you come on too strong. My hubby just had spinal surgery on Cervical 5/Cervical 6. He could have been paralyzed by the surgery OR the chiropractic thing. He's doing pretty well. If he would only stay still.
'Nite Cato and all of the lizards.
GN, PBJ.
A PBJ sandwich sounds good right now, actually.
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:17:26am |
re: #172 Pvt Bin Jammin
Goodnight, lizards. I love all of you, and I am going to bed so if anyone wants to respond, do it later. Cato, I agree with you but you come on too strong. My hubby just had spinal surgery on Cervical 5/Cervical 6. He could have been paralyzed by the surgery OR the chiropractic thing. He's doing pretty well. If he would only stay still.
'Nite Cato and all of the lizards.
'Nite PBJ - I hope your hubby continues to recover well. Have a good sleep.
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:17:30am |
43 minutes until fruitcup. Can I make it?
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:17:43am |
re: #173 BatGuano
Speaking of Obamacare big government, etc., my wife came across this quote I was unaware of. It is from an obscure Virginian although I heard he could give a mean speech, like Obama.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government, lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
— Patrick Henry
I LOVE that quote. Never heard it before.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:19:00am |
re: #178 TheMatrix31
I saw it the first time tonight and loved it immediately! Where has it been all my life?
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:20:30am |
re: #173 BatGuano
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government, lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
— Patrick Henry
1000+ dings
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:20:41am |
re: #158 Cato the Elder
Having recently lost a dear Uncle to Alzheimers related causes, and having had to explain it to his older sister, I compared the pain flowing to electricity from an outlet, and the Morphine just pulled the plug.
I can not imagine being addicted to a substance like that.
But, it it such a blessing for those in need.
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:21:28am |
re: #173 BatGuano
Speaking of Obamacare big government, etc., my wife came across this quote I was unaware of. It is from an obscure Virginian although I heard he could give a mean speech, like Obama.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government, lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
— Patrick Henry
That needs to be emblazoned across the front of every federal building in DC - and across Obama's forehead, in reverse - so he has to read it every time and everywhere he sees his reflection.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:21:44am |
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:22:38am |
re: #183 GGMac
That needs to be emblazoned across the front of every federal building in DC - and across Obama's forehead, in reverse - so he has to read it every time and everywhere he sees his reflection.
I want to tattoo it on my ass and show Obama personally!
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laZardo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:22:53am |
re: #173 BatGuano
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government, lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
— Patrick Henry
"People should not be afraid of their government. Government should be afraid of their people."
/Alan Moore hates everything done to his work, it seems.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:23:57am |
re: #183 GGMac
That needs to be emblazoned across the front of every federal building in DC - and across Obama's forehead, in reverse - so he has to read it every time and everywhere he sees his reflection.
Hack his teleprompter and run it into a speech.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:24:01am |
re: #161 GGMac
The surgeon thinks the rupture was what woke me up.
I remember thrashing my head & arms about. Knew intellectually that I was making it worse. COULD NOT STOP. God Bless modern medicine.
The surgery is basically the same as a C-section.
And, it F'ing hurts if you whack the incision, inadvertently...
Just saying!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:24:17am |
re: #185 BatGuano
I want to tattoo it on my ass and show Obama personally!
Give me liberty, or give me...a tattoo on my ass?!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:25:13am |
re: #172 Pvt Bin Jammin
God Bless you & your husband!
Best wishes & prayers for a full recovery!
Hang in there!!!
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:25:21am |
re: #186 laZardo
/ An artist must tolerate copy cats: It is their fate.
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:26:00am |
re: #182 Floral Giraffe
Having recently lost a dear Uncle to Alzheimers related causes, and having had to explain it to his older sister, I compared the pain flowing to electricity from an outlet, and the Morphine just pulled the plug.
I can not imagine being addicted to a substance like that.
But, it it such a blessing for those in need.
What a lovely analogy for a sad circumstance.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:28:13am |
re: #189 TheMatrix31
Give me liberty, or give me...a tattoo on my ass?!
Yeah, well I'm not a brave revolutionary.
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:29:35am |
re: #185 BatGuano
I want to tattoo it on my ass and show Obama personally!
LOL
Yeah - I was thinking that the water in the throne should be included on the list of places where he'd see his reflection!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:30:18am |
re: #192 GGMac
We are so blessed, that so far, none of the family has lingered painfully. Uncle was in a care facility ( and a nice one) for 7.5 years. He fell on a Thursday, was unresponsive. Following Thursday, he was in some distress at 5:30, they started morphine, he passed at 9:30.
God bless his soul. A very kind man, he is with his Lord now.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:30:52am |
re: #193 BatGuano
But, is your bottom cute?
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BignJames Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:33:13am |
re: #197 Floral Giraffe
But, is your bottom cute?
I've got dimples all over mine. Dimples are cute...right?
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:34:01am |
re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hack his teleprompter and run it into a speech.
Perfect - and he's so TOTUS-dependant, he wouldn't be aware he'd said it until he heard the gasping chorus of "What the ***?!" from the WH press corps. The lone hysterical laughter would be from Major Garrett.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:35:11am |
re: #197 Floral Giraffe
But, is your bottom cute?
Only if you ask the girls; Obama might not be that impressed.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:35:36am |
re: #198 BignJames
I've got dimples all over mine. Dimples are cute...right?
I'm Armenian, so I prefer not to speak about my ass.
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laZardo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:36:57am |
re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hack his teleprompter and run it into a speech.
They'd think he'd be referring to Bush and Cheney though. q;
/I'd make him tell the world to "stay classy."
//if you know what i mean
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:38:45am |
re: #198 BignJames
I've got dimples all over mine. Dimples are cute...right?
Butt dimples? Only if you're under 6 months old. Sorry 'bout that...
hhmmm a few hunk visions passing through - may have to revise that age limit upward a bit.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:38:54am |
re: #185 BatGuano
I want to tattoo it on my ass and show Obama personally!
Now that I read that again, it could be interpreted in a way different than I intended. Charles, delete that please!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:40:46am |
This woman thought about shooting this guy, but didn't. Her neighbors wanted him shot as well.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
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freetoken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:41:02am |
re: #204 BatGuano
Hey, you never know, it might make it on the rotating title list!
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BignJames Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:42:14am |
re: #203 GGMac
Butt dimples? Only if you're under 6 months old. Sorry 'bout that...
hhmmm a few hunk visions passing through - may have to revise that age limit upward a bit.
Well, might not be dimples...could be cellulite.
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:45:35am |
15 minutes. Is lol in the house? I am fading fast. Need a pick me up.
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ThingFish Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:47:53am |
re: #205 Cannadian Club Akbar
Saw that. As if SC needs more bad press...
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:48:07am |
I posted the Henry quote on my FB...and there's a button other people can press to "like" the posting (kinda like an upding, although no "dislike" button).
The only person to "like" it so far is an Obama supporter. Don't get how that works, whatever.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:48:13am |
re: #205 Cannadian Club Akbar
I could have gone the rest of my life without reading that, but thank you for sharing: ) Reminds me a Three Stooges line, "Come back with my woman, you horse thief!"
It's a mad, mad world.
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:48:56am |
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:49:10am |
re: #210 TheMatrix31
Look for me and I will ding it up.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:49:16am |
re: #206 freetoken
Hey, you never know, it might make it on the rotating title list!
Lord, no. My inner censor failed me.
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:49:24am |
re: #196 Floral Giraffe
We are so blessed, that so far, none of the family has lingered painfully. Uncle was in a care facility ( and a nice one) for 7.5 years. He fell on a Thursday, was unresponsive. Following Thursday, he was in some distress at 5:30, they started morphine, he passed at 9:30.
God bless his soul. A very kind man, he is with his Lord now.
Yes, that's a blessing - for him and you. We've also had kin with only days, or hours, of throes, but for each - one in a hospital, the other a nursing home - care was given, but not morphine, and you know - those last images don't fade very well. I think it wise to check ahead of time as to what a facility has as its policy.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:51:11am |
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:51:14am |
re: #212 littleoldlady
You want EARLY fruitcup?!
/surcharge
My Fruit Cup brings all the boys to the yard,
and they're like,
its better than yours,
damn right its better than yours,
I can teach you,
but I have to charge
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:52:43am |
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:52:59am |
re: #207 BignJames
Well, might not be dimples...could be cellulite.
Now you're into territory I can relate to!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:54:10am |
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:00:06am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:01:15am |
re: #222 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
Throw one of those concentration-drugs in there for me, please!
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:03:09am |
re: #222 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
Thank you littleoldlady! (sotto voce) six seconds off.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:03:21am |
re: #222 littleoldlady
Allrighty! Thanks for the fruitcup, LoL!
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:04:17am |
re: #222 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
Hay, Hay LIVE FRUITCUP. Thanks lol. Good morning,
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:04:20am |
re: #222 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
Thank you. I'm always up but always elseware during fruit cup! LOL, I must ask, do you do a lot of canning?
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freetoken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:04:42am |
re: #222 littleoldlady
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Yay!!!
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.
.
.
.
Um... wait... is that a dimple I see on this fruit? And look... that one over there... it has a... tattoo?...
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:05:03am |
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:06:15am |
Thanks for the fruitcup, littleoldlady. Sorry to eat and run - it's 4:10 AM here, and time for a little shut-eye before hubby gets home from work. Have a good night/afternoon, Lizards -it's been an enjoyable time.
:)
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:07:28am |
BatGuano! :-)
Fenway! :-)
Erik! :-) You made it!re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar
Cannadian Club Akbar! :-)
No, not yet, but I'm thinking I'd better learn how.
freetoken! :-)
Tattoo? Let's not go there, mkay?
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:08:40am |
re: #230 freetoken
OK, smart ass: last time I mention my ass.
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:09:26am |
re: #233 BatGuano
Goodnight GGmac.
Your nic always reminds me of my favorite coffee mug. It's black, with bright yellow lettering that says
"Full Blown Bat-Shit Crazy"
'Nite.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:09:44am |
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BignJames Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:11:10am |
re: #238 GGMac
Your nic always reminds me of my favorite coffee mug. It's black, with bright yellow lettering that says
"Full Blown Bat-Shit Crazy"
'Nite.
Got one for my wife that reads " I bitch...therefore, I am."
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:11:55am |
Literally no desire to read my notes right now. For the other final tomorrow which I haven't even started on yet (Foreign Policy of US post 1945), he said we can take in a "cheat sheet" full of dates, little details, etc. he never specified how long they were supposed to be, and he can't check 200 sheets, so all I have to do is compile a nice one.
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:12:13am |
re: #240 BignJames
Got one for my wife that reads " I bitch...therefore, I am."
LOL And how well did THAT go over?
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:12:54am |
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:13:56am |
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:15:03am |
re: #242 TheMatrix31
Literally no desire to read my notes right now. For the other final tomorrow which I haven't even started on yet (Foreign Policy of US post 1945), he said we can take in a "cheat sheet" full of dates, little details, etc. he never specified how long they were supposed to be, and he can't check 200 sheets, so all I have to do is compile a nice one.
Oh, say - good luck on your exams. I hope where ever you are in the world, you can get come sleep first. I didn't realize you were preparing for NOW.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:16:29am |
re: #247 GGMac
Oh, say - good luck on your exams. I hope where ever you are in the world, you can get come sleep first. I didn't realize you were preparing for NOW.
I'm in CA. 2:15am here, tests aren't until 1pm and 3:15pm. Definitely no big deal, but thank you!
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BignJames Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:19:11am |
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:20:21am |
Well folks...I hate to fruit and run...but this paperwork that I've been putting off for months has finally become an emergency.
/not to mention a fire hazard! :-(
Good day, ALL!™
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:21:55am |
re: #250 littleoldlady
Well folks...I hate to fruit and run...but this paperwork that I've been putting off for months has finally become an emergency.
/not to mention a fire hazard! :-(
Good day, ALL!™
Have a great day {lol}
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:22:17am |
re: #249 BignJames
She thought it was funny...for about 10 seconds.
I have a feeling she had a 'return' gift for you on some occasion! :)
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:22:27am |
re: #248 TheMatrix31
I'm in CA. 2:15am here, tests aren't until 1pm and 3:15pm. Definitely no big deal, but thank you!
Plagiarize!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:25:53am |
re: #254 BatGuano
Plagiarize!
Wish I could plagarize, haha. Not essays though. The foreign policy class, he gave us 8 questions, he's going to choose two, and give us a choice of one. They're "based on reading", which I haven't really done but the notes in the class are more than thorough enough to fill any gaps.
The second class, persuasive communication, s a multiple choice test where there are up to FIVE right answers PER question. One of the stupidest formats I've ever taken. If there are three right answers and you pick the three + a wrong one, you only get two points credit. In that class, I got a C on the midterm and we can't get lower than a C so I don't even give a damn about it.
Got an A on the foreign policy midterm though (obviously), so I'm mainly looking to maintain that.
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Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:26:35am |
Good Morning Lizards. I am going to try and sleep.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:28:37am |
re: #256 Erik The Red
Good Morning Lizards. I am going to try and sleep.
Good night, EriK. I hope you can get some Z's.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:29:18am |
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:30:17am |
re: #255 TheMatrix31
Well , good luck anyway. I hope you do well.
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GGMac Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:30:27am |
re: #256 Erik The Red
Good Morning Lizards. I am going to try and sleep.
I'm smiling - thinking of you trying to sleep with you daughters so close to being in your arms.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:32:03am |
re: #259 BatGuano
Well , good luck anyway. I hope you do well.
Gracias.
I sincerely hope one of the questions is
What were the initial aims, scope and means of the containment policy? How andwhy did strategy of containment evolve over time from Truman to Reagan? What were its major strengths and flaws?
Simple as pie. I wouldn't even have to study if that was one of the questions.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:39:28am |
re: #261 TheMatrix31
I hope so too. I might even be able to give a good answer because I lived through it and studied in it Junior High and High school. No college, unfortunately.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:44:35am |
re: #263 Cannadian Club Akbar
The good news is that Mohammed Yusuf will need an offshore banking account to store his money in while he's on the run. As a matter of fact, I got an e-mail from him a few minutes ago requesting just such a proposition...
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:46:55am |
re: #262 BatGuano
I hope so too. I might even be able to give a good answer because I lived through it and studied in it Junior High and High school. No college, unfortunately.
Other questions are...
What were the major reasons for the Cuban Missile crisis? Could the crisis havebeen avoided? Evaluate the management of the crisis by the U.S. and the Soviet leadership. What were the lessons of the crisis for American, Soviet and European leaders?
What were the reasons for American intervention in Vietnam? Why did each
president from Truman to Nixon regard Vietnam as important to the United
States? What are the lessons of the Vietnam War and what are its consequences for American foreign policy?
Identify and evaluate some of the major contending arguments explaining the end of the Cold War. What role did American containment policy play in the transformation of Soviet foreign policy under Gorbachev?
Discuss major international challenges the U.S. faced during the 1990s. What were major achievements and failures of the American foreign policy in that period?
Identify and evaluate major features of the Bush Doctrine and the
“neoconservative moment” in American foreign policy. How do
neoconservatives and the “Vulcans” fit into competing American foreign policy traditions?
Since the Cold War’s end, some international relations theorists and strategic analysts have argued that the United States will not fall victim to the fate of past hegemons (who either “overstretched” themselves or caused a counterhegemonic backlash). According to others, the arguments in favor of U.S. “hegemonic exceptionalism” are weak and American “hegemonic” grand strategy is not sustainable. Discuss/evaluate both points of view and their implications for American foreign policy.
Evaluate and compare visions of the future American grand strategy articulated by Josef Joffe and Christopher Layne.
...bit scared about the last two questions because they involve the readings. Other than that, I'm liking the Vietnam question.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:50:13am |
re: #265 TheMatrix31
The last one, I have no idea. May I ask you you're age?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:51:21am |
re: #264 Fenway_Nation
The good news is that Mohammed Yusuf will need an offshore banking account to store his money in while he's on the run. As a matter of fact, I got an e-mail from him a few minutes ago requesting just such a proposition...
Do you remember the guys who faked out Johnathan Vilma's (Jets) cousin? The cousin shot them. But they showed up with "black" paper that was "money" and needed a special solution to clean the ink off?
They faked it with a couple real bills.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:59:24am |
Coming out of my notes...
The more evidence you have, the more specifics, the stronger your argument becomes
Boy, thank God I go to the school that I do...because otherwise, I would have never known that!!!
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:03:15am |
I'm 54 and you are well advanced where I was at your age. I could give you my opinions (and some facts) on almost everyone of those questions, but it probably screw you up with you professor. You are on the correct website for
information, discussion and non-idiotarian facts.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:06:07am |
re: #272 BatGuano
I'm 54 and you are well advanced where I was at your age. I could give you my opinions (and some facts) on almost everyone of those questions, but it probably screw you up with you professor. You are on the correct website for
information, discussion and non-idiotarian facts.
For sure. I just tell him what he wants to hear, whatever.
Just came across another one of my notes for persuasive comm...
Fake audience with certain reporters to ask Nixon certain questions to make him look stronger. The audience does not know that they are fake reporters.
Kinda like Obama?!
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freetoken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:06:18am |
re: #265 TheMatrix31
Other questions are...
What were the major reasons for the Cuban Missile crisis?
Marilyn Monroe.
Could the crisis have been avoided?
Ron Paul!
What were the lessons of the crisis for American, Soviet and European leaders?
If Ron Paul would have bred with Marilyn Monroe the world would have been a better place.
/how'd I do?
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:07:01am |
re: #271 TheMatrix31
Coming out of my notes...
Boy, thank God I go to the school that I do...because otherwise, I would have never known that!!!
ROTFL. Does your school actually adhere to that or do they want "proper" answers?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:07:23am |
re: #271 TheMatrix31
How much is your tuition going up with the whole budget debacle? Or do you know yet?
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freetoken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:10:17am |
re: #271 TheMatrix31
Also, does it look like you will be able to get all the classes needed to finish on time?
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:10:22am |
re: #274 freetoken
If Ron Paul would have bred with Marilyn Monroe the world would have been a better place.
/how'd I do?
I'm sorry, I believe the correct answer is "hopenchange".
re: #275 BatGuano
ROTFL. Does your school actually adhere to that or do they want "proper" answers?
God knows what the hell they want.
re: #276 Cannadian Club Akbar
How much is your tuition going up with the whole budget debacle? Or do you know yet?
I think it's going up a couple grand or something like that but I'm not entirely sure. Financial aid went down bigtime for this upcoming school year as well.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:10:24am |
re: #273 TheMatrix31
Remind Prof. about Dan Rather challenging Nixon in his press conferences.
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:11:21am |
re: #265 TheMatrix31
Wow, I am loving all these questions you're being asked. I think it would be so much fun to take that test.
(Total geek here, one of those freaks that loves essay exams)
Q: Identify and evaluate major features of the Bush Doctrine and the
“neoconservative moment” in American foreign policy. How do
neoconservatives and the “Vulcans” fit into competing American foreign policy traditions?
Who are the "Vulcans"?
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:11:41am |
re: #277 freetoken
Also, does it look like you will be able to get all the classes needed to finish on time?
I need about 45 units or so, so that shakes out to about 3 classes in Fall, four in Winter, and 4 in Spring (quarter system). I SHOULD be able to, but who knows at this point? I honestly would not be surprised if I end up screwed out of some classes. Barely was able to get what I needed for Fall.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:13:44am |
re: #278 TheMatrix31
You're not 21, you magnificent Bastard! You're a 40 year old shit disturber!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:15:29am |
re: #280 iceweasel
Wow, I am loving all these questions you're being asked. I think it would be so much fun to take that test.
(Total geek here, one of those freaks that loves essay exams)
Q: Identify and evaluate major features of the Bush Doctrine and the
“neoconservative moment” in American foreign policy. How do
neoconservatives and the “Vulcans” fit into competing American foreign policy traditions?Who are the "Vulcans"?
The Vulcans are along the lines of the neoconservatives, but differ in a couple of ways which I'm not entirely clear on, since I've never heard the tearm before in my life.
This is from my notes;
Vulcans v. Neoconservatives.
Vulcans were the group that W. organized, group of advisors. Bush 43 didn’t have a lot of foreign policy experience apparently. Rice, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Powell. If you look at their pre-9/11 statements, tried to make a statement in direction of American Grand Strategy. Wanted to defeat threats. Viewed American defeat in Vietnam is a lesson in regaining military power. In addition, far less concerned with a bunch of international institutions. In favor of removing constraints to US power.
...Regime change and forceful implementation of democracy are not necessarily part of Vulcanist ideas, even though pre-emption and unilateralism may be.
Neoconservative thought. Neoconservativism is a trend in American approach to politics visible since the 1940s but not prominent until recently. One major ideas is the concern with democracy. Internal politics of states. Not particularly unique but internal policies of states determine foreign policy outcomes. Neo-conservatives argued that morality is as important as pragmatic concerns. In this respect, they became major players in foreign policy in the 70s as backlash against Kissinger.
...
These guys had a lot of influence in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Buildup towards Iraqi war started a link between Vulcans and Neo-Cons. Wolfowitz was the link. The Vulcans didn’t subscribe to the regime change/promotion of democracy aspect.From 2002 to 2005 was a fusion of neoconservatives and the nationalist Vulcans
...
Vulcans were asserted nationalists, want to change unipolar moment to unipolar era. Wanted to reduce constraints to American power. Neo-cons were never in the mainstream for the most parts. These are more ideologues. Their ideas was democracy was the only answer.
A bit unclear, to be sure.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:16:30am |
re: #280 iceweasel
His proff has apparently merged Star Trek into the real world: he believes Spock really exists. And, by the way, good to see you Ice!
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:16:49am |
MSM is all a-twitter at 0bama's 'teachable moment' over some brewskis later on today.
Obama stabbed a raw nerve when he said Crowley acted "stupidly" in arresting Gates at his own home. Gates was charged with disorderly conduct for protesting Crowley's actions during a burglary investigation; the charge was dropped.
Obama quickly realized his mistake and sought to calm a national outburst of anger and avoid political repercussions. He praised Crowley, said both men had overreacted and invited them to share a beer at the White House.
Now, after mostly avoiding race issues, Obama may have stumbled into a role he was destined to play.
"Inadvertently, he may be the teacher," said Dorothy Miller, chair of the Race and Reconciliation Dialogue Group at the Saint Paul Cathedral in Pittsburgh.
"He may end up the teacher even though he precipitated that remark" and has avoided race, Miller said. "Because of his evenness, Obama may be the teacher, and get both sides together. He has evolved to become the teacher."
Then there's this howler from Kenneth Walsh
It was Professor Obama who turned up at the president's latest news conference in the East Room--cerebral, methodical, and eager to elucidate the details of policy. Lecturing the country about its problems, from the economy to race relations, Obama argued that his ambitions for overhauling the health insurance system not only would improve medical care but would also drive down costs for families, businesses, and the federal government. He seemed intent on proving that he had mastered the issues to such an extent that Americans should trust him across the board, especially as he seeks to revamp healthcare, strengthen the financial industry, end the recession, and expand the federal role in society.
The bad news is that I mistook the rat poison for Cracker Jacks and downed a whole fistful before realizing my mistake. [I really should stop keeping them next to each other on the shelf]
The good news is that I read the aforementioned (and linked) fawning propaganda that passes for 'serious' writing was able to induce violent, convulsive projectile vomiting...so I should be safe...
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:21:07am |
re: #283 TheMatrix31
A bit unclear, to be sure.
I don't know where to start. Is that all from your professor about the Vulcan thing?
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BignJames Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:21:12am |
re: #285 Fenway_Nation
Hope you didnt hurt yourself...that Walsh guy must be really stupid...or he thinks we are.
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:21:28am |
Also, ahoy polloi! Hope everyone is well today.
I had an intense re: #283 TheMatrix31
Oh wow, ok, I get it. I asked because I never heard the term "vulcan" either, and I read a shitload* of lib/prog stuff on this topic.
Looks like Vulcan is being used to mean Bush's foreign policy team as opposed to the neo-con ideology. The problem is that Bush's foreign policy team most definitely did include some neo-cons.
For purposes of the essay, pretend that there is a hard and fast distinction b/t neo-cons and people on Bush's team.
*shitload is, of course, an accepted unit of academic measurement. :)
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:21:32am |
I heard 'Vulcan' was (or is) like a sort of fraternity for black firefighters.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:22:21am |
re: #286 BatGuano
I don't know where to start. Is that all from your professor about the Vulcan thing?
Those are my notes from his lecture, yeah. It's so convoluted, I don't really get what he was going on about, especially since those guys are considered the prominent "neo-conservatives".
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:23:21am |
re: #287 BignJames
It's getting hard to tell these days, James...
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:23:39am |
re: #288 iceweasel
Also, ahoy polloi! Hope everyone is well today.
I had an intense
Wow, that sounds suggestive. That's what I get for not previewing!
re: #284 BatGuano
His proff has apparently merged Star Trek into the real world: he believes Spock really exists. And, by the way, good to see you Ice!
Hey Bat-man! How are you??? :)
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:25:58am |
re: #288 iceweasel
Also, ahoy polloi! Hope everyone is well today.
I had an intense
Oh wow, ok, I get it. I asked because I never heard the term "vulcan" either, and I read a shitload* of lib/prog stuff on this topic.
Looks like Vulcan is being used to mean Bush's foreign policy team as opposed to the neo-con ideology. The problem is that Bush's foreign policy team most definitely did include some neo-cons.
For purposes of the essay, pretend that there is a hard and fast distinction b/t neo-cons and people on Bush's team.
*shitload is, of course, an accepted unit of academic measurement. :)
So you think he meant the Vulcans are the SPECIFIC people on Bush's team who espouse the neo-conservative ideology?
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:27:55am |
re: #288 iceweasel
*shitload is, of course, an accepted unit of academic measurement. :)
Indeed. I use it all the time, generally in place of the more accepted "Quantum".
So neo-con has morphed into Vulcan, which is a fictional war like race in a fictional TV show?
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:29:56am |
There's just something about that one paragraph that sticks in my craw.
He seemed intent on proving that he had mastered the issues to such an extent that Americans should trust him across the board, especially as he seeks to revamp healthcare, strengthen the financial industry, end the recession, and expand the federal role in society.
Like nationalizing some more automakers? Wiretaps (which were bad during Bush)? Spreading the wealth around?
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:31:10am |
re: #293 TheMatrix31
So you think he meant the Vulcans are the SPECIFIC people on Bush's team who espouse the neo-conservative ideology?
Answering you at more length, give me a few minutes. The short version is Yes. The long version is detailed and you can take it in to your exam. :)
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:31:36am |
re: #294 BatGuano
So neo-con has morphed into Vulcan, which is a fictional war like race in a fictional TV show?
Sounds perfectly logical
/
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:33:14am |
Morning all-- Fenway nation, bat guano, iceweasel.
Vulcan= Wolfowitz and Cheney.
And Spock. (Mr., not Dr.)
Rep Eric Cantor (one of the few Republicans who seems to have a clue) on Obama's 32 czars.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:34:07am |
re: #285 Fenway_Nation
How does Walsh manage to type with all that drool coming out of his mouth?
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:36:33am |
re: #292 iceweasel
Hi, Ice I am fine! Live long and prosper! Or eke out your living doing menial tasks under the Obama administration. Just joking. :)
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:36:59am |
re: #296 iceweasel
Answering you at more length, give me a few minutes. The short version is Yes. The long version is detailed and you can take it in to your exam. :)
Cool, lol.
re: #298 Jim in Virginia
Morning all-- Fenway nation, bat guano, iceweasel.
Vulcan= Wolfowitz and Cheney.
And Spock. (Mr., not Dr.)Rep Eric Cantor (one of the few Republicans who seems to have a clue) on Obama's 32 czars.
G'Mornin!
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:37:01am |
re: #297 Fenway_Nation
The Romulans and Klingons were vicious and warlike. Vulcans were cold blooded and logical. Except when they were in heat, then they were horny and bat crazy.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:38:07am |
re: #301 TheMatrix31
Yo!
A post and run. Work beckons. On Monday, vacation beckons.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:40:42am |
re: #302 Jim in Virginia
The Romulans and Klingons were vicious and warlike. Vulcans were cold blooded and logical. Except when they were in heat, then they were horny and bat crazy.
Bat Crazy? What are you say'n? Uncool!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:40:54am |
re: #303 Jim in Virginia
Yo!
A post and run. Work beckons. On Monday, vacation beckons.
Take it easy, man. My vacation beckons on the 8th!
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:41:57am |
re: #305 BatGuano
More like Batshit crazy, BatGuannn... oh...nevermind.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:43:30am |
re: #306 TheMatrix31
Take it easy, man. My vacation beckons on the 8th!
No vacation for you. You have some studying to do.There will be vacation after graduation.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:43:59am |
re: #309 BatGuano
No vacation for you. You have some studying to do.There will be vacation after graduation.
SUMMER vacation!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:46:15am |
re: #311 BatGuano
SUMMER SCHOOOL! :)
Argh, after these two finals, I'm done with summer school. Woohoo!
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:46:19am |
re: #293 TheMatrix31
So you think he meant the Vulcans are the SPECIFIC people on Bush's team who espouse the neo-conservative ideology?
Absolutely, based on the notes you posted.
The idea here is that "bush's policy team" (Vulcans) espoused a specific strategy and ideology that is distinct from what the 'neocons' promoted.
A vulcan will be anyone who espouses that theory/ideology.
(BTW: this distinction is false-- and that's why what he's saying makes no sense. But for the exam, you have to pretend like you agree.)
Here is what vulcans want, according to your notes:
Rice, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Powell. If you look at their pre-9/11 statements, tried to make a statement in direction of American Grand Strategy. Wanted to defeat threats. Viewed American defeat in Vietnam is a lesson in regaining military power. In addition, far less concerned with a bunch of international institutions. In favor of removing constraints to US power.
OK: so, espoused US imperialism. Not concerned with international institutions = act unilaterally if necessary. General concern with US power, consolidation of it, maitenance of it. View of most of the rest of the world as hostile or at best neutral. American Grand Strategy= America will play the fundamental or primary role in global affairs. Nationalist.
This is why they're NOT neocons:
internal policies of states determine foreign policy outcomes. [ Note from iceweasel: this is not unique to neocons but make sure you mention it as a feature of neo-con ideology.]Neo-conservatives argued that morality is as important as pragmatic concerns.
This is the point to hammer home in your essay: According to your prof, neo-cons (and only neocons) endorse morality alone as a reason for intervention. So, the idea that "we have a moral duty to change regimes, bring democracy to a country, unseat a dictator" is neocon, not Vulcan. Also Vulcans are more isolationist than neocons--neocons want regime change elsewhere, vulcans do not necessary want that so long as the regime doesn't threaten American interests/primacy.
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BTW, once again, this is all based on your notes. The distinction your prof is drawing between 'neocons' and 'vulcans' is false, because many on bush's team were neo-cons. For purposes of the exam, though, you have to pretend like your prof's distinction holds.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:47:06am |
re: #298 Jim in Virginia
From Jim's link:
Even Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd (W.Va.) was fearful enough to pen a letter to President Obama in February highlighting his concerns with the administration's tactics.
How many drafts of that letter do you think the ol' Klansman went through?
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:48:32am |
re: #312 TheMatrix31
Argh, after these two finals, I'm done with summer school. Woohoo!
OK, enjoy, scholar. You earned it! :)
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opnion Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:49:10am |
Good morning. FNC just reported that Officer Crowley will be accompnierd to the White House by a union official & a lawyer.
As long as he is going tonight, seems like a smart move.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:50:35am |
re: #316 opnion
Heh...wonder which one of them is going to serve Gates with the subpoena for the upcoming civil suit.
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UncleRancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:50:51am |
re: #316 opnion
Good morning. FNC just reported that Officer Crowley will be accompnierd to the White House by a union official & a lawyer.
As long as he is going tonight, seems like a smart move.
Do you reckon they like beer too?
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:52:39am |
re: #313 iceweasel
This is the point to hammer home in your essay: According to your prof, neo-cons (and only neocons) endorse morality alone as a reason for intervention. So, the idea that "we have a moral duty to change regimes, bring democracy to a country, unseat a dictator" is neocon, not Vulcan. Also Vulcans are more isolationist than neocons--neocons want regime change elsewhere, vulcans do not necessary want that so long as the regime doesn't threaten American interests/primacy.
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BTW, once again, this is all based on your notes. The distinction your prof is drawing between 'neocons' and 'vulcans' is false, because many on bush's team were neo-cons. For purposes of the exam, though, you have to pretend like your prof's distinction holds.
Boom...that definitely works if that question props up. Now I'd just have to expand and form a full essay.
I don' t know if he's going to ask that one, though. My guess is, the two he'll ask are the "future of American grand strategy" according to the two (Joffe/Layne) and the containment evolution from Truman/Reagan. At least that's what I would ask. I could answer the containment evolution question with my eyes closed right now. It'd definitely save me the trouble of showing up tomorrow (later today?)
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:53:36am |
Well...all this beer fuelled drama at 1600 Pennsyvania Ave will have to wait.
G'nite lizards!
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opnion Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:55:20am |
re: #317 Fenway_Nation
Heh...wonder which one of them is going to serve Gates with the subpoena for the upcoming civil suit.
re: #318 UncleRancher
Do you reckon they like beer too?
I wonder what they really think about this at the White House.
Gibbs put a spin on it it saying "The more , the merrier. Friends & family are welcome" Your union rep & lawyer are not friends & family. It says that you mean business.
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:55:35am |
re: #300 BatGuano
Hi, Ice I am fine! Live long and prosper! Or eke out your living doing menial tasks under the Obama administration. Just joking. :)
I'm an Obama appointee in the Ministry of Love, baby!
(still waiting on the pony Obama promised me though. How else will I get to work?)
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:55:53am |
re: #320 Fenway_Nation
Goodnight, fenway. May the green monster endure.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:56:08am |
re: #320 Fenway_Nation
Well...all this beer fuelled drama at 1600 Pennsyvania Ave will have to wait.
G'nite lizards!
Didn't you go to bed earlier? LOL.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:57:34am |
re: #305 BatGuano I sincerely regret it if you are so sensitive that my words, innocuous as they were, caused you any distress.
///
I could have said "bat shit crazy."
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:58:45am |
re: #302 Jim in Virginia
The Romulans and Klingons were vicious and warlike. Vulcans were cold blooded and logical. Except when they were in heat, then they were horny and bat crazy.
Alledged TV Guide synopsis for a Star Trek episode:
Spock gets a Vulcan mating urge, and almost kills Kirk.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:00:24am |
re: #314 Fenway_Nation
From Jim's link:
How many drafts of that letter do you think the ol' Klansman went through?
He's got staff. (More lawyers than just two.) He didn't actually write it, or read it.
See Conyers.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:00:42am |
re: #325 Jim in Virginia
I sincerely regret it if you are so sensitive that my words, innocuous as they were, caused you any distress.
///
I could have said "bat shit crazy."
Actually, that would be more descriptive. I only pretend to be offended. I'm aiming to achieve aggrieved minority status.
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:00:58am |
re: #319 TheMatrix31
Boom...that definitely works if that question props up. Now I'd just have to expand and form a full essay.
I don' t know if he's going to ask that one, though. My guess is, the two he'll ask are the "future of American grand strategy" according to the two (Joffe/Layne) and the containment evolution from Truman/Reagan. At least that's what I would ask. I could answer the containment evolution question with my eyes closed right now. It'd definitely save me the trouble of showing up tomorrow (later today?)
I finally read upthread and saw that he's given you 8 questions to prepare, but you'll only have 2 and pick just one, or something like that. That's really sneaky of him.
It's good that you can bring in a cheat sheet though. All you have to do (I know it's a lot) is write yourself an outline for each potential q.
Gimmie another to do!
/not that I'm so knowledgable about this subject, but I excel at exams. It's one reason why I know that academic credentials are BS: they're easy to get if you have the right kind of opportunities and the right kind of skills, but they really only measure how good you are at getting those creds.
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opnion Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:01:43am |
FNC just interviewed an English couple. The man is blind in one eye & the condition is now starting to effect his other eye.
He was referred to a specialist who told him to come back when the other eye was in trouble or pay out of pocket to see a specialist.
He could not afford the ouit of pocket & is now headed for total blindness.
This is the Brave New World that Obama Care can give us.
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UncleRancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:02:54am |
re: #321 opnion
Now I see they can't even pick the right beer!
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:03:21am |
re: #322 iceweasel
I ride my unicorn to work every morning. You didn't get yours? If you do, don't feed it beefaroni: makes them fart.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:03:37am |
re: #316 opnion
Who will be in Gates' entourage? Larry Summers?
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:05:05am |
re: #329 iceweasel
I finally read upthread and saw that he's given you 8 questions to prepare, but you'll only have 2 and pick just one, or something like that. That's really sneaky of him.
It's good that you can bring in a cheat sheet though. All you have to do (I know it's a lot) is write yourself an outline for each potential q.
Gimmie another to do!
/not that I'm so knowledgable about this subject, but I excel at exams. It's one reason why I know that academic credentials are BS: they're easy to get if you have the right kind of opportunities and the right kind of skills, but they really only measure how good you are at getting those creds.
Hmm...do...
Identify and evaluate some of the major contending arguments explaining the end of the Cold War. What role did American containment policy play in the transformation of Soviet foreign policy under Gorbachev?
...he went over and gave us a little bit of what he expects for each one. For this one, he says
Question 4: Contending arguments for End of cold War. Materialist and idealist. Materialist pressures. Power and globalization of cold war. Soviet overstretching. Ideational arguments. Read textbook. Elements of containment could have played into this, etc. Soviets could have muddle through and waited Reagan out. They could have ended up waiting it out and getting through. They didn’t have to do what Gorbachev did. Also take into account of what the Cold War was about. Asks the question of when the Cold War was over. Many different points discussed. Gorbachev changed the ideology. Expansionist ideology which started the Cold War was now over.
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:05:38am |
re: #332 BatGuano
I ride my unicorn to work every morning. You didn't get yours? If you do, don't feed it beefaroni: makes them fart.
Heh. Seinfeld!
I had an intense conversation with one of my closest friends last night. He and his parents are almost at the point of not speaking to each other because of political differences. It's really sad. I think the situation is defused a little now, but it made me wonder how many other families this is happening in.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:06:27am |
re: #331 UncleRancher
Now I see they can't even pick the right beer!
You knew this was coming. Anything to distract from the real issue - 0bama saying he didn't have all the facts, but the police are stupid - and shift the attetion onto Gates, Crowely, their beer preferences, or anything at all other than the President's spasming knee and prejudicial rush to judgment.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:06:39am |
BTW, I'm DEFINITELY more of a multiple choice guy than an essay guy. I like being able to read my notes, take a test, and have things pop out at me rather than learn all the laboring details about something just to write an essay about it.
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opnion Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:07:39am |
re: #331 UncleRancher
Now I see they can't even pick the right beer!
Gibbs said that Obama is having Bud because he recently had one a ball game. It was the All Star Game in St. Louis, I doubt that anything else was available.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:07:44am |
re: #335 iceweasel
Heh. Seinfeld!
I had an intense conversation with one of my closest friends last night. He and his parents are almost at the point of not speaking to each other because of political differences. It's really sad. I think the situation is defused a little now, but it made me wonder how many other families this is happening in.
I actually fought with my Grandma for a couple of days during the election cycle. Since then, she's realized that she "made a mistake" in what she was believing and saying during the election.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:07:46am |
re: #332 BatGuano
My unicorn will only eat the still beating hearts of young, chaste conservative women.
You have no idea how hard it is in Alexandria to find...oh, never mind.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:07:53am |
re: #319 TheMatrix31
TheMatrix31, just do what iceweasal says. She's smart and if your snow mobile winds up on top of you, she's your best friend. ;)
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:09:30am |
re: #334 TheMatrix31
you know, I spotted that q in your list and thought it was one of the hardest ones. Do you have notes? I can do a better job here if you can post those.
Also, unfortunately, he does say 'Ideational arguments. Read textbook" which means that he KNOWS your notes won't cover that enough, because he knows his lectures didn't.
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opnion Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:10:50am |
re: #339 TheMatrix31
I actually fought with my Grandma for a couple of days during the election cycle. Since then, she's realized that she "made a mistake" in what she was believing and saying during the election.
I hear quite a bit of buyers remorse now from Obama voters that I know. They seem shocked that Obama is acting like Obama.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:12:19am |
I used to be a hot-tar roofer. Yeah, I remember that day...
--Mitch Hedberg
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opnion Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:12:27am |
The Gallup poll now reporting that Obama's personal approval is now at 53% & disapproval at 39%.
His highwater mark was 70%.
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jacksontn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:13:17am |
re: #344 pink freud
Good morning, morning lizards!
Hey Pink! .. what in the world are you doing up? ... I get to go home today ... finally ... get me the hell out of this place ...
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:14:14am |
Jackson, you do realize we have no business being up at this ungodly hour, don't ya?
Goodmorning!
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JacksonTn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:14:27am |
re: #343 opnion
I hear quite a bit of buyers remorse now from Obama voters that I know. They seem shocked that Obama is acting like Obama.
opnion ... guess the Koolaid is wearing off ... it is a good thing ...
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:15:22am |
re: #347 jacksontn
I can imagine how you feel. I would be ready too! I hope your business trip was highly successful for you.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:15:29am |
re: #342 iceweasel
you know, I spotted that q in your list and thought it was one of the hardest ones. Do you have notes? I can do a better job here if you can post those.
Also, unfortunately, he does say 'Ideational arguments. Read textbook" which means that he KNOWS your notes won't cover that enough, because he knows his lectures didn't.
Yeah, definitely found that to be a bit of a tough one...
Gorbachev comes to power in March 85, Gorbachev’s second meeting of Reagan (more substantial) was at the Reykjavik Summit in 1986. Crucial because during the meeting, they were left alone for four hours. During the discussions, both sides had very sincere discussions about the Cold War. Both emerged with the idea that all nuclear weapons should be banned. Never said it, but they came close to agreeing on it. Nothing was decided from the Summit. This began the end of the Cold War because of failure of this summit, because of the chemistry between the two.
Soviets left Afghanistan in 1988. Prior to the withdrawal, both sides signed a breakthrough agreement with arms control. Liquidate the intermediate range nuclear weapons. December 1987 – Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty. Reagan visits Moscow in May 1988. December 1988’s Gorbachev’s speech to the UN. Unilateral reductions in conventional forces in Europe, a promise the West wanted to hear. Summer/Winter 1989 – Revolutions in Eastern Europe. Cancelled Brezhnev doctrine, allows peaceful revolutions to sweep those countries. Demanded free multi-candidate. Most of the time, Commie parties lost their leading positions. Except in the case of Romania, most were peaceful.
Culminating in the process of the Berlin Wall in Fall of 1989, symbolic end of Cold War. Unification of Germany in October 1990. No one thought it’d happen that quick.
Explanations of what happened?
One of the most still-dominant explanations was a materialist one. Material constraints that the Soviet Union faced, which prompted them to surrender in the Cold War.
Look at article “Power, Globalization, in the Cold War” by Brooks/Wolfe in the reader I guess.
Soviet Union faced internal problems and decline, buildup of Reagan administration broke them down, Reagan Doctrine exhausted the USSR. Soviet economy was not growing. Increasingly isolated from international economy. Reagan scared them too much. Soviets went into a very significant overstretch, and maybe that’s why they folded their tent.
New Thinking Approach –
Global interdependence, universal human values, balance of interests and not of power, freedom of choice which led him to abandon Brezhnev doctrine. Unique set of principles for a Soviet leader to adopt. It’s strikingly idealistic.
Ideational approach. Where did the ideas come from and why appealing to Gorbachev? Most ideas of New Thinking came from the West. Soviet leadership more tied to the West. More open, more liberal. Another related one is that, at heart, Gorbachev was a Social Democrat moreso than a Commie, and they were the ones voicing those ideas for so long. Took the norms and ideas from the West.
Collapse of the Soviet Union – Perestroika – Restructuring Soviets. Gorbachev reformed a lot. Had a growing conviction that economic reforms should be coupled with political reforms too. It was also a democratization of Soviet policy. Why did he decide? Installs a Presidency, becomes the president and undermines the power of the Soviet Commie party. By 1990, the Soviet Commie party were pretty much removed out of power, new centers of power emerged. Suicidal move for Gorbachev because he undermined his only base of power.
Rebellion started by Soviet Republics. Unitary state but the republics got more and more powers under Gorbachev.
Come to think of it, looks like that one is a bit self-explanatory
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:15:42am |
re: #335 iceweasel
Heh. Seinfeld!
I had an intense conversation with one of my closest friends last night. He and his parents are almost at the point of not speaking to each other because of political differences. It's really sad. I think the situation is defused a little now, but it made me wonder how many other families this is happening in.
Excellent question. It should not affect any family. A good honest debate is fine, but separating family on political grounds is sad. I have my beliefs but it does not affect my relationship with family members who believe otherwise. My political beliefs will never separate from family. I still love those misguided morons. :)
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:16:12am |
re: #346 opnion
The Gallup poll now reporting that Obama's personal approval is now at 53% & disapproval at 39%.
His highwater mark was 70%.
People generally can only be fooled for so long ...
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:16:15am |
re: #337 TheMatrix31
BTW, I'm DEFINITELY more of a multiple choice guy than an essay guy. I like being able to read my notes, take a test, and have things pop out at me rather than learn all the laboring details about something just to write an essay about it.
I get what you're saying. BTW, the secret to writing an essay answer isn't remembering details like dates. It's really about demonstrating that you have a mastery of the concepts involved, and making connections between those and other trends/ideas/concepts. Only a real hardass anal prof who already personally dislikes you is going to take off points if you write a brilliant essay that gets the name of something wrong or gets a date wrong.*
*within reason. If you think ww2 happened in 1850, and you try to talk about it in the context of 1850, you will fail, but not because you got the date wrong.
** the other skill the essay exam tests is one's ability to think on the spot and formulate a fluent, coherent (written) reply under pressure. That's a useful skill no matter what you go on to do in life.
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JacksonTn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:16:28am |
re: #350 pink freud
I can imagine how you feel. I would be ready too! I hope your business trip was highly successful for you.
Pink ... thanks ... yes it was but draining ... oh, well, back home tonight and not back here for a long time ... if ever ...
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:16:29am |
re: #343 opnion
I hear quite a bit of buyers remorse now from Obama voters that I know. They seem shocked that Obama is acting like Obama.
Not surprising. He ran on a nebulous message of "hope" and "change" while carefully staying away from specifics and encouraging voters to fill in the gaping blanks with their own pet fantasies. Now that he's filling in the details himself - or leaving them blank - there are little puffs of smoke erupting across an increasingly disappointed and disillusioned landscape.
When your support is grounded in other people's expectations, there is nowhere to go but down.
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:16:45am |
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opnion Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:17:25am |
re: #349 JacksonTn
opnion ... guess the Koolaid is wearing off ... it is a good thing ...
I don't know what people expected. Obama is who he is & he was never gouing to act like Regan or anybody else.
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:17:49am |
re: #352 TheMatrix31
Hey there Matrix, are you keeping that prof of yours on his toes?
When do you leave for KC etc?
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:19:50am |
re: #356 JacksonTn
Pink ... thanks ... yes it was but draining ... oh, well, back home tonight and not back here for a long time ... if ever ...
There are quite a few cities I feel the exact same way about, Jackson. I'm glad you're heading home.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:20:22am |
re: #360 pink freud
Hey there Matrix, are you keeping that prof of yours on his toes?
When do you leave for KC etc?
Hey Pink! Later today I take my last two finals for Summer School, so everyone here is chiming in a bit on that stuff.
Leaving for the trip on the 8th. We've got some awesome BBQ lined up, I feel like I'm going to gain 50 pounds on this trip!
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:21:28am |
re: #361 BatGuano
Good morning. Pink.
Good morning, BG! Ya'll holding down the LNDT without me? (Next week I should be back in fine form!) How's PiGuy?
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:21:31am |
re: #355 iceweasel
I get what you're saying. BTW, the secret to writing an essay answer isn't remembering details like dates. It's really about demonstrating that you have a mastery of the concepts involved, and making connections between those and other trends/ideas/concepts. Only a real hardass anal prof who already personally dislikes you is going to take off points if you write a brilliant essay that gets the name of something wrong or gets a date wrong.*
*within reason. If you think ww2 happened in 1850, and you try to talk about it in the context of 1850, you will fail, but not because you got the date wrong.
** the other skill the essay exam tests is one's ability to think on the spot and formulate a fluent, coherent (written) reply under pressure. That's a useful skill no matter what you go on to do in life.
Definitely. The "cheat sheet" idea is intended for dates and details, but I mean, he's not going to go around and check 200 sheets, so it's basically going to be my guide. I hate relying on things like that, too. Almost wish he didn't offer that security blanket.
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:23:58am |
re: #363 TheMatrix31
Hey Pink! Later today I take my last two finals for Summer School, so everyone here is chiming in a bit on that stuff.
Leaving for the trip on the 8th. We've got some awesome BBQ lined up, I feel like I'm going to gain 50 pounds on this trip!
Good luck on your finals, Matrix. If they're essay, take my advice and before you even begin regurgitate everything you know of the topic onto a sheet of paper or two and then start fleshing that in. The info you recall will generate more recall. You'd be surprised how much you can aome up with initially. From there, organize it and then write your essay.
50!? No no ...maybe just 20 or so ...
;-)
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opnion Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:24:01am |
re: #354 pink freud
People generally can only be fooled for so long ...
Yeah, but we have him until 2012 & he can do some damage.
One thing that is wearing thin is Obama saying that he inherited the problems. He owns them now.
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UncleRancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:24:56am |
re: #365 TheMatrix31
Everyone has their own theory, of course. When I was teaching I told my students to bring anything they wanted to the exams. I figured it was a better simulation of real life, in which you really will have everything available in the way of reference materials, and you should know how to dig up what you need. That was before we had internet and cell phones, and even personal computers.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:26:19am |
re: #364 pink freud
Good morning, BG! Ya'll holding down the LNDT without me? (Next week I should be back in fine form!) How's PiGuy?
gmsc, bailed out a few minutes before I could engage him. He seemed to be still a hail fellow well met.
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:26:32am |
re: #352 TheMatrix31
Come to think of it, looks like that one is a bit self-explanatory
Looks it. Let me know if you'd like input anyway.
I make some money freelancing as a tutor for uni students. I get work all the time to help them prep for an exam or to basically do a one-on-one tutorial to reteach them the entire semester right before the final. Or write a paper. (not to write it for them, but to teach them how to write it and help them with all the revisions so they'll get an A.)
Anyway, this is something I am good at (if i do say so myself) so-- if you want help, I'm here. :)
re: #365 TheMatrix31
Definitely. The "cheat sheet" idea is intended for dates and details, but I mean, he's not going to go around and check 200 sheets, so it's basically going to be my guide. I hate relying on things like that, too. Almost wish he didn't offer that security blanket.
Agree. Frankly it's bullshit.
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UncleRancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:26:58am |
re: #367 opnion
Yeah, but we have him until 2012 & he can do some damage.
One thing that is wearing thin is Obama saying that he inherited the problems. He owns them now.
Yes it is wearing thin. So he inherited some problems. Every new president does. That's not the point. The point is WHAT is he doing to correct the problems, if anything?
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:27:07am |
re: #367 opnion
Yeah, but we have him until 2012 & he can do some damage.
One thing that is wearing thin is Obama saying that he inherited the problems. He owns them now.
Unbelievable that he has managed to effect so much change inb oth policy ad the mood of the country in such a short time. The upside is that people are now aware. My guess is that congresscritters are finally getting to "know" their constituency ...and it's not very fun for them.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:28:07am |
re: #366 pink freud
Good luck on your finals, Matrix. If they're essay, take my advice and before you even begin regurgitate everything you know of the topic onto a sheet of paper or two and then start fleshing that in. The info you recall will generate more recall. You'd be surprised how much you can aome up with initially. From there, organize it and then write your essay.
50!? No no ...maybe just 20 or so ...
;-)
Thank you :) For the essay test, he's allowing us a help list of info to take in, but he didn't really specify the length. I'm going to do a basic outline now, print it out, then take it in. But I definitely practice that advice on other essay tests.
As for the poundage to be gained...I'm trying to watch myself until the trip. I used to be really overweight when I was a kid (205lb when I was 13!) so I'm always aware of where I stand. This summer has been rough on me with the amount of food. Gained about 10lb in the past couple months! I'm at around 185 now, so if I can get down to around 182 or so by the trip, I'll feel a bit better about what I'm going to do to my body, lol.
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:28:32am |
re: #369 BatGuano
gmsc, bailed out a few minutes before I could engage him. He seemed to be still a hail fellow well met.
Have you seen his new site? It's very nice. He's super proud of it, and should be ...it reflects a real dedication to excellence.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:30:01am |
re: #371 UncleRancher
Yes it is wearing thin. So he inherited some problems. Every new president does. That's not the point. The point is WHAT is he doing to correct the problems, if anything?
Perhaps the fact that for the previous two years he poured gasoline on the flames to get elected into his position should be considered.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:30:22am |
re: #368 UncleRancher
Everyone has their own theory, of course. When I was teaching I told my students to bring anything they wanted to the exams. I figured it was a better simulation of real life, in which you really will have everything available in the way of reference materials, and you should know how to dig up what you need. That was before we had internet and cell phones, and even personal computers.
I do like it because I don't generally stress for tests anyway. Even though i talk about it a lot, I don't really feel any hardcore pressure. Like I said earlier, though, I still have to "do it", so in a way I find it hard to read and prepare enough beforehand since I have the security blanket option available to me.
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:30:35am |
re: #373 TheMatrix31
You're welcome! :-)
You'll do fine with the food, Matrix. There's be so much to do your activity levels will offset the calorie intake. Just watch the beer calories ... those are the mean ones.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:30:44am |
re: #374 pink freud
Yuppers. Haven't been there in the last week but I saw it after some major upgrades. I'm sorry I keep missing him.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:33:10am |
re: #377 pink freud
You're welcome! :-)
You'll do fine with the food, Matrix. There's be so much to do your activity levels will offset the calorie intake. Just watch the beer calories ... those are the mean ones.
I'd rather have a Pepsi ;)
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:33:14am |
Jackson ...you have a safe trip home! I'll see you tonight.
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opnion Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:33:19am |
re: #371 UncleRancher
Yes it is wearing thin. So he inherited some problems. Every new president does. That's not the point. The point is WHAT is he doing to correct the problems, if anything?
Exactly.He actually didn't inherit the problems per se. He didn't go to any reading of the will, he asked for the job & said that he had the solutions.
The Greek columns are gone & it is put up time & to me he seems over his head.
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:34:12am |
re: #379 TheMatrix31
I'd rather have a Pepsi ;)
Those are mean ones too! OTOH, some 'a that KC barbq sounds perfect!
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:35:46am |
re: #381 opnion
Exactly.He actually didn't inherit the problems per se. He didn't go to any reading of the will, he asked for the job & said that he had the solutions.
The Greek columns are gone & it is put up time & to me he seems over his head.
His thinking about how the world works seems to be that of a child. Maybe he'll grow up a bit once cold reality chomps down. Most do.
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UncleRancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:36:47am |
re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Perhaps the fact that for the previous two years he poured gasoline on the flames to get elected into his position should be considered.
You got that right. Now the denial is starting to wearing off. Even some of the newsies are starting to get it, but you can still fool all of the people some of the time.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:36:52am |
re: #372 pink freud
Unbelievable that he has managed to effect so much change inb oth policy ad the mood of the country in such a short time. The upside is that people are now aware. My guess is that congresscritters are finally getting to "know" their constituency ...and it's not very fun for them.
I think many more people are actually speaking up. Before it was " my voice doesn't matter." Now people have more access to information. The internet, blogs,etc, and politicians can't lie about what the said in the past because the info would get buried. Now, easily retrieved.
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UncleRancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:38:32am |
Got to run. Things to do. Livestock to feed.
Cheers.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:38:52am |
re: #382 pink freud
Those are mean ones too! OTOH, some 'a that KC barbq sounds perfect!
I'm scared that if I come back here and have BBQ, I'll be so disappointed because it won't come anywhere near what I have on the trip. Hopefully that's not the case, lol.
Anyway, I'm going to shower, I'll be back in a bit. Thanks to all of you guys, and if you're gone before I'm back, I'll catch ya later!
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funkyirishjew Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:39:15am |
When you hear about something amazing, you discredit it. When you read about something amazing, you assume it's the victim of hyperbole. When you see something amazing, you doubt your own senses. But when something amazing happens to you then you know it to be true, and that gives you faith.
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:39:19am |
re: #385 Cannadian Club Akbar
Exactly! My congresscritters definitely know who I am now ...and what my positions are. Also, what power I *do* have ...
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:39:54am |
re: #353 BatGuano
Excellent question. It should not affect any family. A good honest debate is fine, but separating family on political grounds is sad. I have my beliefs but it does not affect my relationship with family members who believe otherwise. My political beliefs will never separate from family. I still love those misguided morons. :)
That's lovely. :)
My family is the same way. We all love to argue (yeah, surprising, i know!) and no holiday gathering is complete without a fullon political fight...but we're really doing it because we love debating so much.
One of the joys of my life is hearing deeply conservative family members express liberal arguments they've gotten from me. We love the debate. It confuses the hell out of other people attending, because someone they know is deeply liberal, or deeply conservative, will decide that they're arguing for the other side that day.
We do have deeply held beliefs and we don't agree at all, but none of it is ever personal. I love that.
It's sad though when people lose friends or family over politics. Awful.
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pink freud Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:40:13am |
re: #387 TheMatrix31
I'm scared that if I come back here and have BBQ, I'll be so disappointed because it won't come anywhere near what I have on the trip. Hopefully that's not the case, lol.
Anyway, I'm going to shower, I'll be back in a bit. Thanks to all of you guys, and if you're gone before I'm back, I'll catch ya later!
Yep, I gotta run too. Best of the day to you, lizards!
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yochanan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:44:40am |
Some have accused the portrayal of the Ferengi of being antisemitic.[11] In the book Religions of Star Trek, Ross S. Kraemer wrote that "Ferengi religion seems almost a parody of traditional Judaism... Critics have pointed out a disturbing correlation between Ferengi attributes (love of profit that overrides communal decency; the large, sexualized head feature, in this case ears) and negative Jewish stereotypes."[12] Commentator Jonah Goldberg wrote that Ferengi were portrayed in The Next Generation as "runaway capitalists with bull whips who looked like a mix between Nazi caricatures of Jews and the original Nosferatu."[13] The fact that the four most notable Ferengi characters, Quark, Nog, Rom and Zek, are played by Jewish actors Armin Shimerman, Aron Eisenberg, Max Grodénchik and Wallace Shawn contributes to this theory.
personally I think it is a parody of antisemitism and a rather good on at that
what to buy some ...
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:48:49am |
re: #390 iceweasel
Ice, here is the extent of what my parents told me about politics
Dad: They're all crooks!
Mom: My Dad told me that Democrats are for the little people!
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yochanan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:54:23am |
re: #393 BatGuano
hookers sell a product that has a high demand curve at a fair market price
democrats sell a product no one wants but use the IRS to collect the price
now which of these two would you rather know?
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:55:59am |
re: #390 iceweasel
Ice, I just checked you profile and you are at 3700 Karma. I think I put you over the top. In any case well deserved.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:57:27am |
Man, cold showers in the summer are just awesome.
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freetoken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:57:36am |
re: #392 yochanan
... Commentator Jonah Goldberg wrote that Ferengi were portrayed in The Next Generation as "runaway capitalists with bull whips who looked like a mix between Nazi caricatures of Jews and the original Nosferatu."[13] ...
This is the guy who called Leonard Nimoy a "pornographer".
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opnion Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:00:40am |
re: #383 pink freud
His thinking about how the world works seems to be that of a child. Maybe he'll grow up a bit once cold reality chomps down. Most do.
He does seem very immature. That may come from a doting grandmother & a life of elitist privelege. This may be the first time for him that people are not just giving him his way.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:02:42am |
re: #395 yochanan
I think I will go with my dad's estimation.
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:03:49am |
re: #396 BatGuano
Ice, I just checked you profile and you are at 3700 Karma. I think I put you over the top. In any case well deserved.
Wow, really?Cool! thanks for the upding and the kind words!
I never check karma. Half the time I have no idea who is downdinging me. It kind of depresses me when I look at some old thread and see stealth downdinging of old posts of mine.
On the other hand, it's a testimony to how cool the main LGF community is and how they are welcoming and appreciative of other points of view.
I love that you're the one to put me over the top. ((Bat))
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:06:17am |
It's funny. I find myself on the message board I help moderate (sports and sports-gaming, primarily) wanting to up-ding and down-ding posts. That kind of system would probably be a mess there, though.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:07:46am |
re: #401 iceweasel
Wow, really?Cool! thanks for the upding and the kind words!
I never check karma. Half the time I have no idea who is downdinging me. It kind of depresses me when I look at some old thread and see stealth downdinging of old posts of mine.
On the other hand, it's a testimony to how cool the main LGF community is and how they are welcoming and appreciative of other points of view.
I love that you're the one to put me over the top. ((Bat))
Morning, Ice.
I have a stealth downdinger or two myself (or did for awhile - haven't checked recently).
I decided awhile back it just wasn't worth the wear and tear on my emotions to worry about it. It is what it is.
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jvic Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:08:10am |
There lives more faith in honest doubt, believe me, than in half the creeds.— Alfred, Lord Tennyson
Sounds terrific. But after all that is solid melts into air, what then? History has given an answer, and it's not an attractive one.
***
The following exchange is attributed to the Master of a Victorian Oxbridge College and a Tormented Young Man. Paraphrase:
Tormented Young Man: Search as I may, I cannot find God in my heart.Master: You must find Him there by noon tomorrow or leave the College.
I don't side with the Master of course...he deserves my disapproval...but I confess he has my sneaking sympathy...
***
Ice, thanks for your response in the Steele post. Back at ya.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:08:16am |
re: #402 TheMatrix31
It's funny. I find myself on the message board I help moderate (sports and sports-gaming, primarily) wanting to up-ding and down-ding posts. That kind of system would probably be a mess there, though.
Sometimes I'll get an e-mail I like a lot, and will be looking for the upding button LOL.
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Ojoe Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:10:10am |
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opnion Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:11:30am |
Later gators, see ya tonight at the White House for a beer!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:11:40am |
re: #406 Ojoe
Dawn approaches the San Gabriel Mountains of California. Towercam, Pacific time zone.
Good morning all.
Good morning!
I love that towercam.
That scene - looks like it's so nice and cool there.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:13:46am |
Good morning all. Finally got caught up to the bottom. Will catch up after the page refreshes from this post. Interesting topics so far. Have my own theory about "open" book tests.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:14:56am |
re: #401 iceweasel
You've got great Karma numbers because you present your case politely and logically. I don't agree with many of your postions but represent your ideology
quite well.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:14:57am |
re: #405 reine.de.tout
Sometimes I'll get an e-mail I like a lot, and will be looking for the upding button LOL.
LOL that's awesome.
One thing that I love even BETTER than the upding-downding (which can get divisive) is the simple post favorite-ing. Probably my favorite feature on any board ever.
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yochanan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:15:12am |
have a good one my lizards
may yiou make a profit today.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:15:32am |
re: #405 reine.de.tout
Sometimes I'll get an e-mail I like a lot, and will be looking for the upding button LOL.
I find myself doing that alot on different boards as well. Some really good posts, and a lot of really, really bad posts too.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:16:13am |
re: #410 BatGuano
You've got great Karma numbers because you present your case politely and logically. I don't agree with many of your postions but represent your ideology
quite well.
It's exactly one of the reasons why Bad Religion is my favorite band of all time. I don't agree with, maybe 90% of what they say, but they put it so eloquently and non-specific that it's just hard not to love their lyrics. I often need a dictionary to keep up!
/not to mention that the music f'n rules too.
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:18:07am |
Suspect arrested in preganant mom murder. The mother was seven months pregnant when baby was removed from her womb by the "suspect."
Friends didn't know the "suspect" was ever pregnant, so they called the police.
What a dirt bag.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:18:45am |
re: #405 reine.de.tout
Sometimes I'll get an e-mail I like a lot, and will be looking for the upding button LOL.
I'm always looking for the dinger now when I read other sites.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:19:00am |
re: #411 TheMatrix31
LOL that's awesome.
One thing that I love even BETTER than the upding-downding (which can get divisive) is the simple post favorite-ing. Probably my favorite feature on any board ever.
Oh, yes, one of my favorite features too. I have to remember to go organize them every now and then. So easy to hit the "heart" button and end up with pages and pages of faves with no tags.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:20:06am |
re: #415 midwestgak
Suspect arrested in preganant mom murder. The mother was seven months pregnant when baby was removed from her womb by the "suspect."
Friends didn't know the "suspect" was ever pregnant, so they called the police.
What a dirt bag.
Gak - good morning.
Do you have a link to that story? First I've heard of it.
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VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:22:40am |
Good morning all.
I'm not traveling today! Yeah!
What's news?
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:22:42am |
re: #418 reine.de.tout
Oh, yes, one of my favorite features too. I have to remember to go organize them every now and then. So easy to hit the "heart" button and end up with pages and pages of faves with no tags.
...yikes
I've NEVER organized them!
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:23:02am |
re: #419 reine.de.tout
Gak - good morning.
Do you have a link to that story? First I've heard of it.
I'll try to find the story. I heard it on the TV news this morning.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:23:15am |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:24:01am |
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:24:05am |
re: #420 VioletTiger
Good morning all.
I'm not traveling today! Yeah!
What's news?
Violet Your cat just scared me. Again.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:25:11am |
re: #421 TheMatrix31
...yikes
I've NEVER organized them!
Neither have I. I usually heart something for later perusal. Eventually I get back to them and then delete them when I am done. have a few I need to read through still.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:25:28am |
re: #422 midwestgak
I'll try to find the story. I heard it on the TV news this morning.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:26:13am |
re: #419 reine.de.tout
Gak - good morning.
Do you have a link to that story? First I've heard of it.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:26:52am |
Morning Lizards. Sorry, I can't do it at work for you, but if you want a belly laugh search Youtube for "Obama Mom Jeans."
/trust me
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jvic Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:27:55am |
re: #410 BatGuano
You've got great Karma numbers because you present your case politely and logically. I don't agree with many of your postions but represent your ideology quite well.
Iirc for a while Ice started giving tit-for-tat to those who use nastiness as a debating tactic. Then she rebalanced into her present tone.
I'm neither easily impressed nor especially perceptive, but that I noticed.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:28:23am |
re: #427 MandyManners
Mandy, I couldn't read it all. We live in a fucked up world.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:28:24am |
re: #423 reine.de.tout
You're kidding!
How do you find anything?
No idea. Didn't even know there was organizing ability.
I mean, I read everything I favorite usually before favoriting them, so most of the time it's referential if anything. If I see something really good, it goes up on my Facebook immediately anyway.
I should start tagging though.
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:28:30am |
re: #419 reine.de.tout
Gak - good morning.
Do you have a link to that story? First I've heard of it.
Good morning to you, reine. Several posts here now include the article.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:28:49am |
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VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:29:05am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:30:06am |
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VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:32:07am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:32:33am |
re: #431 BatGuano
Mandy, I couldn't read it all. We live in a fucked up world.
This is not the first time such a thing has happened.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:33:15am |
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:36:40am |
re: #430 jvic
I don't know how she started or what her tactics were. In my observations over the last few months, she has presented the correct tone; one that will give her views a fair hearing and will not alienate too many persons. And I like her current persona. I like Iceweasal.
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:38:39am |
FOX is calling today's White House get together the Beer Summit. sheesh.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:40:22am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:41:14am |
The situation is Nigeria is escalating:
Nigeria: Rights worker says civilians being killed
It's hard to know what part of the article to quote. First the AP calls them militants, then they quote the Rights workers as saying they're civilians. Truth might be somewhere in between. I will point out this:
The radical sect is known by several different names, including Al-Sunna wal Jamma, or "Followers of Mohammed's Teachings" and "Boko Haram," which means "Western education is sin." Some Nigerian officials have referred to the militants as Taliban, although the group has no known affiliation with Taliban fighters in Afghanistan.
The last thing the continent of Africa needs is more atavism.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:42:10am |
I mean, I don't get it. Is it only going to be ONE beer? Are they going to have more than one? Where is it going to take place? Does the White House have a bar?
lol
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albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:42:21am |
today is the BIG DAY when race relations will take a giant step foreward...everybody is thrilled except the beer brewers
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:43:32am |
re: #437 VioletTiger
I know! Apparently the black comedian is conservative? Or at least knows when to drop politics and bring the funny.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:44:32am |
re: #444 BatGuano
I know. It does not get any easier.
She was 23 yet already had three kids, 4, 3 and 1.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:44:49am |
re: #443 Sharmuta
The situation is Nigeria is escalating:
Nigeria: Rights worker says civilians being killed
It's hard to know what part of the article to quote. First the AP calls them militants, then they quote the Rights workers as saying they're civilians. Truth might be somewhere in between. I will point out this:
The last thing the continent of Africa needs is more atavism.
dire turn of events for a decidedly unhealthy Nigeria...ripe for massive upheaval...and there is that oil thing...I think this story is pretty significant
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:45:48am |
re: #448 MandyManners
She was 23 yet already had three kids, 4, 3 and 1.
Oh, golly.
I noticed that too.
Only one of the kids lived with her apparently - the other two were being cared for by their grandparents.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:46:01am |
re: #440 BatGuano
I like iDub too. She's intelligent and has a good sense of humor. And she doesn't like Nancy Pelosi! Her and I don't agree on everything, but that's part of what makes people/life interesting. It would be boring if we all though alike.
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:46:08am |
re: #446 albusteve
today is the BIG DAY when race relations will take a giant step foreward...everybody is thrilled except the beer brewers
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
The problem is that all three beers are products of foreign companies. Red Stripe is brewed by London-based Diageo PLC. Blue Moon is sold by a joint venture in which London-based SABMiller has a majority stake.
And Bud Light? It is made by Anheuser-Busch -- which is now known as Anseuser-Busch InBev NV after getting bought last year by a giant Belgian-Brazilian company.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:46:24am |
re: #445 TheMatrix31
I mean, I don't get it. Is it only going to be ONE beer? Are they going to have more than one? Where is it going to take place? Does the White House have a bar?
lol
I think they are having beers on a picnic table outside. And if I went and Zero came out with anything less than a 60 QT Coleman cooler, I would ask, "Where the hell is all the stimulus money going?"
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VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:46:45am |
re: #447 Spenser (with an S)
I know! Apparently the black comedian is conservative? Or at least knows when to drop politics and bring the funny.
It was a good funny--not nasty or degrading. That's a rare thing these days.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:47:13am |
re: #445 TheMatrix31
I mean, I don't get it. Is it only going to be ONE beer? Are they going to have more than one? Where is it going to take place? Does the White House have a bar?
lol
This alcohol talk should quiet the "Obama is a seekrit muzlim" crowd, no?
//no
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albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:48:05am |
re: #452 midwestgak
The problem is that all three beers are products of foreign companies. Red Stripe is brewed by London-based Diageo PLC. Blue Moon is sold by a joint venture in which London-based SABMiller has a majority stake.
And Bud Light? It is made by Anheuser-Busch -- which is now known as Anseuser-Busch InBev NV after getting bought last year by a giant Belgian-Brazilian company.
to me beer is just beer...some taste different than others...Red Stripe is almost like water tho
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:48:06am |
re: #430 jvic
re: #440 BatGuano
jvic is right I have to say, It's hard to be in the minority here and I definitely always returned nastiness with snarkiness at first. I still do, sometimes-- when I think it's warranted-- but I no longer automatically smack back at every person who does it to me. I'm a lot more likely now to completely ignore someone who tells me to "fuck off".
I do also have bad days myself where I'm more abrasive and caustic. Plus my natural state is rather snarky and bitchy. :)
Anyway, you guys both rock. I wouldn't be here if it weren't for you two and people like you.
ps jvic I answered you in the old thread.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:48:17am |
re: #443 Sharmuta
The situation is Nigeria is escalating:
Nigeria: Rights worker says civilians being killed
It's hard to know what part of the article to quote. First the AP calls them militants, then they quote the Rights workers as saying they're civilians. Truth might be somewhere in between. I will point out this:
The last thing the continent of Africa needs is more atavism.
How much oil do we get from Nigeria?
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:49:02am |
re: #453 Cannadian Club Akbar
I think they are having beers on a picnic table outside. And if I went and Zero came out with anything less than a 60 QT Coleman cooler, I would ask, "Where the hell is all the stimulus money going?"
I would ask for some of that spiked Kool-Aid like so many of the Obama supporters seem to still be drinking...
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albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:49:06am |
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VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:49:21am |
re: #452 midwestgak
The problem is that all three beers are products of foreign companies. Red Stripe is brewed by London-based Diageo PLC. Blue Moon is sold by a joint venture in which London-based SABMiller has a majority stake.
And Bud Light? It is made by Anheuser-Busch -- which is now known as Anseuser-Busch InBev NV after getting bought last year by a giant Belgian-Brazilian company.
I think they are going to need a bar or at least a big cooler. Sounds like there are more than just the three of them. I think I heard something about other police and a lawyer?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:49:35am |
re: #450 reine.de.tout
Oh, golly.
I noticed that too.
Only one of the kids lived with her apparently - the other two were being cared for by their grandparents.
Looking at their ages, it seems that she was pregnant the past four-five years.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:50:20am |
re: #14 Fenway_Nation
Hmm...black market light bulbs?
Your making a dangerous assumption IMHO!!
We'll be living in the PreIndustrial Era in 10 years!
How are the futures on CANDLES!!??
Only partly ///
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:50:43am |
re: #458 MandyManners
How much oil do we get from Nigeria?
IIRC, someone posted a list yesterday. 9%
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:50:43am |
re: #445 TheMatrix31
I mean, I don't get it. Is it only going to be ONE beer? Are they going to have more than one? Where is it going to take place? Does the White House have a bar?
lol
The real horror is that the beer is allegedly going to be Bud, and gates and crowley are both irish or part irish. :(
i weep.
How is Budweiser like making love in a canoe?
It's fucking close to water!
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:52:22am |
re: #465 iceweasel
The real horror is that the beer is allegedly going to be Bud, and gates and crowley are both irish or part irish. :(
i weep.
How is Budweiser like making love in a canoe?
It's fucking close to water!
I guess they like it? Whatever. Seeing that Crowley is from MA, he should ask for a Sam Adams Summer Ale. It's only fitting.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:52:33am |
re: #465 iceweasel
That's what we always say about your domestic American beer. Ours is stronger, but it's also sex in a canoe as well at times. I prefer a beer with flavour myself.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:53:28am |
re: #468 BlueCanuck
That's what we always say about your domestic American beer. Ours is stronger, but it's also sex in a canoe as well at times. I prefer a beer with flavour myself.
Canadian beer is superior to most American beer, no question
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:53:40am |
Jobless claims expected to be around 585k...
Yikes.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:54:33am |
re: #458 MandyManners
How much oil do we get from Nigeria?
Not sure- perhaps none to barely any as we get most of our oil from Canada, Mexico and Uncle Thuggo. Possible Nigeria's oil goes to Europe.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:55:41am |
re: #470 TheMatrix31
Jobless claims expected to be around 585k...
Yikes.
Mich is above 15% unemployment and rising...and some people are not too concerned about it...doom and gloom they call us
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:56:19am |
re: #457 iceweasel
re: #430 jvic
re: #440 BatGuano
jvic is right I have to say, It's hard to be in the minority here and I definitely always returned nastiness with snarkiness at first. I still do, sometimes-- when I think it's warranted-- but I no longer automatically smack back at every person who does it to me. I'm a lot more likely now to completely ignore someone who tells me to "fuck off".
I do also have bad days myself where I'm more abrasive and caustic. Plus my natural state is rather snarky and bitchy. :)
Anyway, you guys both rock. I wouldn't be here if it weren't for you two and people like you.
These are completely serious and non-snarky questions. Do you enjoy the conflict and the arguing here? Are you a committed Anti-Islamist/Jihadist? I don't agree with everything here by any means. I have not liked some of the tone in the ID posts, even though Charles has not veered into Christian-bashing, some have. I figure it's Charles' blog and I don't have to keep coming here. What's your story? You seem a little proud of your contrarianism.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:56:33am |
re: #469 albusteve
Canadian beer is superior to most American beer, no question
Army story, veracity undetermined from a friend who said he did it. Challenged two American soldiers to a drinking contest. Losers covered the costs. Two Canadians each to drink a two-four of American beer, the Americans to split a Canadian two-four. Canadian soldiers finished off the American beer and what was left of the Canadian beer after the Americans had passed out. :)
/think it's a myth but you know how some stories grow in telling...
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:58:09am |
re: #457 iceweasel
Ice, welcome to the fold. I can some times be bitchy, abrasive and caustic. I hope I am forgiven at those times as I forgive others (No I didn't invent that!)
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:58:13am |
re: #470 TheMatrix31
Jobless claims expected to be around 585k...
Yikes.
11.3% unemployment in the Chicago area
I've seen some estimates as high as 12.1%
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:58:21am |
re: #474 Spenser (with an S)
Well iDub seems to give as good as she gets. Doesn't back down in a good brawl either. She will make some good points that will make you go hmmm. Glad to have her around most times.
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razorbacker Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:58:30am |
*walks into bar*
'Give me whatever beer is coldest today.'
"We don't serve no men in neckties."
'That's handy, 'cause I don't want no damn men in neckties, I want a beer. I want it tall, I want it cold, and I want it refilled about thirty seconds after delivery. Now hop to it, Froggy, or find a better man to take your place.
And turn 'at damned jukebox off. I ain't in no mood to daince.'
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quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:58:58am |
re: #469 albusteve
Of the Canadian beers, Moosehead remains my personal favorite, but so many former Canadian brands now are foreign-owned that there isn't much else out there.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:58:58am |
re: #475 BlueCanuck
Army story, veracity undetermined from a friend who said he did it. Challenged two American soldiers to a drinking contest. Losers covered the costs. Two Canadians each to drink a two-four of American beer, the Americans to split a Canadian two-four. Canadian soldiers finished off the American beer and what was left of the Canadian beer after the Americans had passed out. :)
/think it's a myth but you know how some stories grow in telling...
It's so bleak up there, the only thing you Canadians have LEFT is to drink! ;)
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:59:00am |
re: #468 BlueCanuck
re: #465 iceweasel
That's what we always say about your domestic American beer. Ours is stronger, but it's also sex in a canoe as well at times. I prefer a beer with flavour myself.
We have some amazing micro-brews here in MI, but for my "I'm thirsty, what's in the fridge?" beer it is always Labatts or Blue Light.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:59:26am |
re: #475 BlueCanuck
Army story, veracity undetermined from a friend who said he did it. Challenged two American soldiers to a drinking contest. Losers covered the costs. Two Canadians each to drink a two-four of American beer, the Americans to split a Canadian two-four. Canadian soldiers finished off the American beer and what was left of the Canadian beer after the Americans had passed out. :)
/think it's a myth but you know how some stories grow in telling...
heh...as a former Michigander I've been through Canada manys the time...there is little I don't like about Canada...I confess I know nothing about your politics, but I'm a tourist
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:59:52am |
re: #468 BlueCanuck
That's what we always say about your domestic American beer. Ours is stronger, but it's also sex in a canoe as well at times. I prefer a beer with flavour myself.
Don't call it 'my' beer. Can't handle american beer (in general, not all of it).
As for strength...Belgium's well named Delirium Tremens is pretty damn good.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:00:20am |
re: #481 TheMatrix31
It's so bleak up there, the only thing you Canadians have LEFT is to drink! ;)
Hey, that's not true. We do have hockey for those of us that are into that kind of thing. Besides winter isn't just for outdoor sports. *wink wink* *nudge nudge*
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:00:38am |
Good morning all. Got this in my e-mail this AM:
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
/Discuss
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:01:01am |
I'm a total beer wimp. Coors Light guy.
Anybody surprised?
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quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:01:14am |
re: #482 Spenser (with an S)
Labatts, alas, has been sold off to the foreigners.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:01:39am |
re: #486 Gang of One
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:01:53am |
re: #474 Spenser (with an S)
I don't see her as contrarian. On some issues she agrees with the prevailing mindset here, and other times she doesn't. She's pro-science, so she has that in common with most of us, and she's a feminist, so I hardly think she's supportive of islamic misogyny.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:03:28am |
re: #473 albusteve
Mich is above 15% unemployment and rising...and some people are not too concerned about it...doom and gloom they call us
Where in Jenny's Paradise do you live? I'm in West Michigan and I'm currently under-employed after 5 mos. of unemployed. Our un-official rate (under-employed, given up, small business owners scraping by, etc.. ) is around 25%.
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quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:03:38am |
re: #491 Sharmuta
Look, the weasel is a liberal lady. She's decided to play her strong suit, which is charm, as opposed to her weak suit, which is snark.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:04:20am |
re: #484 iceweasel
Don't call it 'my' beer. Can't handle american beer (in general, not all of it).
As for strength...Belgium's well named Delirium Tremens is pretty damn good.
Here's one I discovered many years ago. Hard to find but rather tasty. Fell in love with the name. What can I say? I am a D&D geek. :D
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:04:29am |
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quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:05:37am |
re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Snark", as in the "Hunting of the". Thank you, Lewis Carrroll.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:05:50am |
One aspect of the new compromise is that no one will be "forced" to not buy private insurance but, I wonder how much disincentive to drop private and go to the public plan will arise.
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:05:50am |
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albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:06:25am |
re: #488 MandyManners
Nine per cent is nothing to sneeze at.
hell no...and it's sweet light crude...the best oil on the planet from a refining standpoint...and another aspect of this story is the Niger River Delta where the oil comes from...a pristine and highly sensitive ecological environment...these Talibanners get down there and tear up some pipelines or infrastructure and the damage could be catstrophic...the Nigerian govt has hauled in trillions over the years but has regressed socially and are going backwards fast...where does the money go?
| 501 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:06:32am |
re: #499 Gang of One
Was it not Ben Franklin who, when asked what form of government we now had, replied: "A democracy ... if you can keep it."?
/sigh
Not democracy, republic. Big difference.
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:06:40am |
re: #474 Spenser (with an S)
These are completely serious and non-snarky questions. Do you enjoy the conflict and the arguing here? Are you a committed Anti-Islamist/Jihadist? I don't agree with everything here by any means. I have not liked some of the tone in the ID posts, even though Charles has not veered into Christian-bashing, some have. I figure it's Charles' blog and I don't have to keep coming here. What's your story? You seem a little proud of your contrarianism.
Meh, I'm not proud of contrarianism for its own sake. If I wanted that I'd post on HotAir, or Ace of Spades, or any of the many, many places where I could truly wreak havoc with just one comment.
I like it here not for the arguing, but for the many points I find in common with people and the many things I learn from talking to people with completely different opinions. Keeps me honest, and reminds me all the time that republicans and conservatives are people, not some monolithic entity to be demonised.
Are you a committed Anti-Islamist/Jihadist?
I don't know what that means. There's nothing wrong with Islam.
There's something wrong with terrorists and murderers, especially the ones who are religious fanatics. And unfortunately they're not confined to one religion.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:06:43am |
re: #499 Gang of One
Was it not Ben Franklin who, when asked what form of government we now had, replied: "A democracy ... if you can keep it."?
/sigh
No- he didn't say that. He did say, "A Republic, if you can keep it" though.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:06:47am |
re: #491 Sharmuta
I don't see her as contrarian. On some issues she agrees with the prevailing mindset here, and other times she doesn't. She's pro-science, so she has that in common with most of us, and she's a feminist, so I hardly think she's supportive of islamic misogyny.
That's why I was asking. I'm on a blog dealing w/ "social justice" issues for my church and I get heartburn and wonder why I keep going somewhere that gets my blood pressure up. I guess it's to keep an eye on them. I was being completely genuine in my questions.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:06:54am |
re: #485 BlueCanuck
Hey, that's not true. We do have hockey for those of us that are into that kind of thing. Besides winter isn't just for outdoor sports. *wink wink* *nudge nudge*
Slowwwly starting to get into hockey. Luckily, the Sabres look to be in the exact same boat as my Phoenix Suns in basketball, who I've followed since I was five years old.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:07:18am |
re: #493 Spenser (with an S)
Where in Jenny's Paradise do you live? I'm in West Michigan and I'm currently under-employed after 5 mos. of unemployed. Our un-official rate (under-employed, given up, small business owners scraping by, etc.. ) is around 25%.
emmigrated from Kalamazoo county...Richland/Gull Lake
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:07:40am |
re: #501 BlueCanuck
Not democracy, republic. Big difference.
Thank you, my error. And yes, it is a very big difference.
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quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:07:50am |
re: #499 Gang of One
When asked what sort of government the Constitutional Convention of 1787 had created for America, Franklin replied: "A republic-- if you can keep it."
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:08:20am |
re: #503 Sharmuta
No- he didn't say that. He did say, "A Republic, if you can keep it" though.
Thanks ... missed your correction.
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:08:47am |
re: #508 quickjustice
When asked what sort of government the Constitutional Convention of 1787 had created for America, Franklin replied: "A republic-- if you can keep it."
And yours ...
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VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:09:03am |
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:09:20am |
re: #499 Gang of One
Was it not Ben Franklin who, when asked what form of government we now had, replied: "A democracy ... if you can keep it."?
/sigh
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razorbacker Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:09:48am |
re: #499 Gang of One
Was it not Ben Franklin who, when asked what form of government we now had, replied: "A democracy ... if you can keep it."?
/sigh
No, it wasn't. Ben said, "A Republic, if you can keep it."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:10:03am |
re: #503 Sharmuta
No- he didn't say that. He did say, "A Republic, if you can keep it" though.
I believe he also said, "Hello, Ladies."
He got more "strange" than any fat man who ever lived.
Well, that's what I heard, anyway.
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:10:41am |
A republic. I need more caffeine ...
/slouches towards the kitchen ...
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:10:48am |
re: #502 iceweasel
OK, I get it. The -ist at the end of Islam is usually meant to define someone who is not simply a Muslim, but an "Islam over all, no matter the means"-type.
Have you tried Duval from Belgium?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:10:59am |
re: #505 TheMatrix31
Well, at least you don't have the doom and gloom of a Leaf or Raptor fan.
/note: I am neither. Not a sports fan at all.
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:11:09am |
re: #494 quickjustice
Look, the weasel is a liberal lady. She's decided to play her strong suit, which is charm, as opposed to her weak suit, which is snark.
Hmmm, should upding you for saying I have charm, but I resent the implication that I can't bring the snark. On the contrary, I can bring it, but it doesn't advance a discussion. I hang out on the left with my fellow snarktarians when I want to do that.
BTW, do not hate me for this, but did people see William Shatner doing a dramatic reading, to bongos, of Sarah Palin's last speech as beatnik poetry?
[Link: newsroom.mtv.com...]
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:11:34am |
re: #516 Spenser (with an S)
OK, I get it. The -ist at the end of Islam is usually meant to define someone who is not simply a Muslim, but an "Islam over all, no matter the means"-type.
Have you tried Duval from Belgium?
No! should I?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:12:46am |
re: #499 Gang of One
Was it not Ben Franklin who, when asked what form of government we now had, replied: "A democracy ... if you can keep it."?
/sigh
Rule by the masses can get nasty.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:13:18am |
re: #506 albusteve
emmigrated from Kalamazoo county...Richland/Gull Lake
Cool, I was born in K-zoo.
/psst, how'd you escape? If you swim, you'd end up in IL or WI or Canada, so you must have gone over the wall.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:13:22am |
re: #500 albusteve
hell no...and it's sweet light crude...the best oil on the planet from a refining standpoint...and another aspect of this story is the Niger River Delta where the oil comes from...a pristine and highly sensitive ecological environment...these Talibanners get down there and tear up some pipelines or infrastructure and the damage could be catstrophic...the Nigerian govt has hauled in trillions over the years but has regressed socially and are going backwards fast...where does the money go?
Someone's pocket.
| 523 |
razorbacker Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:13:36am |
Slow connection here on the deck this a.m.
Chat amongst yourselves. I'll try to keep up.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:13:38am |
re: #514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I believe he also said, "Hello, Ladies."
He got more "strange" than any fat man who ever lived.
Well, that's what I heard, anyway.
He's the most fascinating of all the Founders, imo. His Excellency, George Washington, is my favorite followed by Dr Franklin, but Ben is the most interesting of them by a long shot. Self-made man, inventor, scientist, philosopher, diplomat, revolutionary, author- the list goes on. They broke the mold with that one.
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:13:45am |
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:14:07am |
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:14:13am |
re: #517 BlueCanuck
Well, at least you don't have the doom and gloom of a Leaf or Raptor fan.
/note: I am neither. Not a sports fan at all.
Ah...that sucks.
The Raptors are putting together a real nice offseason though.
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quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:14:30am |
re: #514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Franklin was a multi-faceted genius. He was the class clown at the Constitutional Convention of 1787, old enough and respected enough to get away with clowning around. When the convention was discussing how federal judges should be selected, Franklin advocated for the Scottish system. "In Scotland", he said, "The lawyers elect the judges from among themselves. They always elect the lawyers with the most lucrative practices, so they can divide the new judge's practice among themselves."
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:14:42am |
re: #515 Gang of One
A republic. I need more caffeine ...
/slouches towards the kitchen ...
Same here. I blinked at the quote but nothing registered in time.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:15:02am |
re: #523 razorbacker
Slow connection here on the deck this a.m.
Chat amongst yourselves. I'll try to keep up.
SHOOT YER DECK.
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VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:15:12am |
We drink Fosters in the Tiger household. It's Australian for beer!
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:15:44am |
re: #524 Sharmuta
He's the most fascinating of all the Founders, imo. His Excellency, George Washington, is my favorite followed by Dr Franklin, but Ben is the most interesting of them by a long shot. Self-made man, inventor, scientist, philosopher, diplomat, revolutionary, author- the list goes on. They broke the mold with that one.
You forgot: a ladies' man.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:16:09am |
re: #525 Gang of One
Yes it does.
/I am embarrassed by my error.
Shit can happen at the crack of dawn.
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quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:16:56am |
re: #518 iceweasel
Fair lady, it is not that you lack talent with snark, but that it is less effective in this forum than your charm. And yes, bongos and all, William Shatner would be a better President of the United States than Barack Hussein Obama.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:16:58am |
re: #531 VioletTiger
We drink Fosters in the Tiger household. It's Australian for beer!
Now I have that funky sound from that commercial playing in my head.
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:17:02am |
re: #531 VioletTiger
We drink Fosters in the Tiger household. It's Australian for beer!
We used to call those 'oil cans'. Great beer. Anyone here ever tried a Baltica? A Russian brew -- had a few at in Brighton Beach a couple weeks back. Most excellent.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:17:45am |
re: #532 MandyManners
You forgot: a ladies' man.
Indeed. He was quite the charmer. But with a resume like that, who can blame the ladies?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:18:38am |
re: #537 Sharmuta
Indeed. He was quite the charmer. But with a resume like that, who can blame the ladies?
Apparently he cut a real swath through the French court as well when he was there as an ambassador.
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:19:07am |
re: #534 quickjustice
Fair lady, it is not that you lack talent with snark, but that it is less effective in this forum than your charm. And yes, bongos and all, William Shatner would be a better President of the Uonited States than Barack Hussein Obama.
Again, I want to upding you but alas, I can't endorse Shatner for precedent...
fuck it. Upding anyway for the funny!
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albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:19:24am |
re: #521 Spenser (with an S)
Cool, I was born in K-zoo.
/psst, how'd you escape? If you swim, you'd end up in IL or WI or Canada, so you must have gone over the wall.
so was I...Bronson...I got divorced, cashed out and fled to NM to hide out and lick my wounds...great place to be left alone...I only go back to MI if I absolutely have to, couple times a year...too many trees
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:19:42am |
re: #537 Sharmuta
Indeed. He was quite the charmer. But with a resume like that, who can blame the ladies?
"Resume"? Is that what the kids were calling it back then?
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Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:19:58am |
Morning all.
This morning's paper had a lovely Kathleen Parker column telling the world how wonderful Obama is for creating this teachable moment, and defending Gates for his "understandable" reaction to seeing a white cop at his door. I paraphrase.
I'm gonna clip it out and save it for the next "racism" flap. Can't wait to compare and contrast her reaction when the offender doesn't also happen to be her God.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:20:51am |
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quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:21:18am |
re: #538 BlueCanuck
Almost single-handed, he brought France into the Revolutionary War as an American ally. Without the French Navy, the Americans could not have defeated Cornwallis decisively.
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jvic Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:21:58am |
re: #406 Ojoe
Dawn approaches the San Gabriel Mountains of California. Towercam, Pacific time zone.
Ojoe, as a way of saying thanks for your cam posts:
My hiking days are behind, and hopefully ahead of, me. For the time being I do it vicariously at the Peakbagger site. Refresh the page and you get a different mountain. Click on a mountain and you can access climbers' trip reports, some of which are quite detailed and include quality images.
***
Ice, back over to you at the Steele thread. Gotta go. A good day to all.
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The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:22:19am |
re: #537 Sharmuta
Indeed. He was quite the charmer. But with a resume like that, who can blame the ladies?
Hey Franklin has a whole letter advising young men to choose older women (cougars!) as mistresses "because they are so grateful"
Franklin: Advice on Choosing a Mistress
Benjamin Franklin: original cougar lover.
| 547 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:23:29am |
re: #538 BlueCanuck
Apparently he cut a real swath through the French court as well when he was there as an ambassador.
Yes- I can't recommend his as a subject of study enough. Formed the first library in the US, formed the first fire department. Just incredible, and hard to list off all that he was without forgetting a point here or there. For reading I recommend: The First American: The Life and Times of Benjamin Franklin
For Washington, I love: His Excellency: George Washington.
I trust Ellis as a historian as well as Gordon S Wood.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:23:31am |
re: #542 Lincolntf
Morning all.
This morning's paper had a lovely Kathleen Parker column telling the world how wonderful Obama is for creating this teachable moment, and defending Gates for his "understandable" reaction to seeing a white cop at his door. I paraphrase.
I'm gonna clip it out and save it for the next "racism" flap. Can't wait to compare and contrast her reaction when the offender doesn't also happen to be her God.
another BO apologist...and regarding this disgusting race issue too...they are all making themselves look bad
| 549 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:24:01am |
re: #538 BlueCanuck
Apparently he cut a real swath through the French court as well when he was there as an ambassador.
Cut a swath? Is that what the kids call it now?
///
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:25:20am |
re: #542 Lincolntf
Morning all.
This morning's paper had a lovely Kathleen Parker column telling the world how wonderful Obama is for creating this teachable moment, and defending Gates for his "understandable" reaction to seeing a white cop at his door. I paraphrase.
I'm gonna clip it out and save it for the next "racism" flap. Can't wait to compare and contrast her reaction when the offender doesn't also happen to be her God.
I can almost understand Gates' initial reaction but, he's furthered his racist agenda at every possible moment.
Maybe I'm confused but, I thought Parker was conservative.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:27:35am |
re: #549 iceweasel
Cut a swath? Is that what the kids call it now?
///
I don't know what the kids call it, I am a product of older literature and older parents. I usually stump people with sayings I got from my mom and grandfather. Some are family related.
/reminds me, have to steal my mom's copy of my grandfather's poetry.
| 554 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:28:24am |
re: #548 albusteve
Kind of reminds me of how the feminists all sold their souls (and credibility) to save Clinton. Now even the people who have built careers in the racial agitation industry are saying "It's no big deal. Let's cut him some slack" in regards to Obama and Gates.
Oh well, if it took Crowley to bring down Big Race, then maybe it was worth it.
| 555 |
huckfunn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:29:19am |
the new number is -12
| 556 |
NervyNews Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:29:42am |
Nazi Flag Proudly Displayed Above Storefront In Kitchener, Ontario It's a sad commentary: You can pretty much get away with hanging a Nazi flag these days. But if you tried to hang an Israeli flag, the mob might come and violently threaten you!
What's next!?
| 557 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:30:52am |
| 558 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:30:59am |
| 559 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:31:07am |
| 560 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:32:09am |
re: #554 Lincolntf
Kind of reminds me of how the feminists all sold their souls (and credibility) to save Clinton. Now even the people who have built careers in the racial agitation industry are saying "It's no big deal. Let's cut him some slack" in regards to Obama and Gates.
Oh well, if it took Crowley to bring down Big Race, then maybe it was worth it.
good analogy...I hope it stays in the news...BO deserves to get pounded
| 561 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:32:13am |
Like many of his generation, Gates profited mightily from racial grievance. Obama was elected, in part, on the promise of the being the first post-racial president, half black and half white, putting to rest racial grievance in America forever. No matter how many cases of beer they consume today, however, I fear the damage to this fantasy already is done.
| 562 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:32:49am |
re: #550 MandyManners
That used to be the conventional wisdom, but I've never found her to be particularly conservative. She does occasionally get that label at the WaPo. Attacks on Palin, Bush and Cheney have characterized most of her columns (the ones that I've read) for the past few years,
| 563 |
huckfunn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:33:21am |
re: #558 VioletTiger
Turns out those Unicorns weren't so fun afterall!
Hmmm... I'm not quite sure of the Unicorns reference.
| 564 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:33:41am |
re: #544 quickjustice
You must give John Adams credit for that. It was his plan to secure our east coast by the French navy, which led to the surrender at Yorktown.
| 565 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:33:53am |
re: #495 BlueCanuck
Here's one I discovered many years ago. Hard to find but rather tasty. Fell in love with the name. What can I say? I am a D&D geek. :D
Wow, I've never even heard of this! I will have to try it.
(also a d&d geek, once upon a time...don't tell!)
| 566 |
razorbacker Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:34:12am |
You can't really blame those French court ladies for flocking around old Ben.
He was, AFAIK, one of the first lovers who could have been described as 'electrifying'.
| 567 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:35:04am |
To be sung at the White House later today: "A million bottles of beer on the wall, a million bottles of beer . . ."
| 568 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:35:46am |
re: #562 Lincolntf
That used to be the conventional wisdom, but I've never found her to be particularly conservative. She does occasionally get that label at the WaPo. Attacks on Palin, Bush and Cheney have characterized most of her columns (the ones that I've read) for the past few years,
Objection: Parker is a conservative. She just doesn't like certain trends in the GOP and on the right. (like many people here).
| 569 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:36:02am |
re: #566 razorbacker
You can't really blame those French court ladies for flocking around old Ben.
He was, AFAIK, one of the first lovers who could have been described as 'electrifying'.
Ya, he was charged up.
| 570 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:36:13am |
re: #565 iceweasel
I still am. Stay away from 3.5 and 4th editions. ;)
| 571 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:36:42am |
re: #567 quickjustice
To be sung at the White House later today: "A million bottles of beer on the wall, a million bottles of beer . . ."
I think that's trillion's.
| 572 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:37:52am |
re: #564 BatGuano
Adams and Franklin were together in Paris for a time as the American commissioners. Adams despised French decadence, while Franklin exploited it to the hilt, becoming the most popular figure in salon society. And yes, Franklin was highly successful with the French ladies.
None of this hurt the American cause.
| 573 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:37:53am |
| 574 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:37:57am |
re: #556 GNIDAthe#seCond
I think most Canadians would be shocked at the amount of Neo-Nazis there are here. I have run across quite a few in my time. Just listening to them weave logic pretzels was enough to make my head hurt.
| 575 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:38:18am |
re: #569 midwestgak
Ya, he was charged up.
Did he 'do it' with a kite, key and electrical storm raging outside?
| 576 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:38:30am |
re: #563 huckfunn
Hmmm... I'm not quite sure of the Unicorns reference.
Unicorns - snark for the many overblown expectations for Obama.
| 577 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:38:43am |
re: #562 Lincolntf
That used to be the conventional wisdom, but I've never found her to be particularly conservative. She does occasionally get that label at the WaPo. Attacks on Palin, Bush and Cheney have characterized most of her columns (the ones that I've read) for the past few years,
Well, those knock her out of the label in my mind if they were unfair criticisms.
| 578 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:39:23am |
re: #566 razorbacker
Razorbacker, you posted that link to the Balko article on Gates at Reason, right? (I think?)
| 579 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:39:37am |
re: #575 Gang of One
Did he 'do it' with a kite, key and electrical storm raging outside?
A friend of his, Rod, was hit by lightening.
| 580 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:39:48am |
re: #567 quickjustice
To be sung at the White House later today: "A million bottles of beer on the wall, a million bottles of beer . . ."
Oh sure, now we're not just spreading the wealth around, we're spreading the beer around!
Oh, wait...
| 581 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:40:24am |
| 582 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:41:11am |
I love name, "Wychwood", it sounds so woody.re: #572 quickjustice
Quite right. Adams and Franklin were polar opposites; Adams the Puritan and Franklin the Libertine. It all worked out well.!
| 583 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:41:17am |
re: #568 iceweasel
Objection: Parker is a conservative. She just doesn't like certain trends in the GOP and on the right. (like many people here).
I see her as a "safe" columnist for big media to point to and say
"look, we've got a conservative". She's a country club republican.
| 584 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:41:21am |
re: #568 iceweasel
Those labels (Conservative/Liberal) are not immutable. I've read her columns for years and years, though never her books.
I'd say she's a moderate Beltway Conservative, which would make her a Liberal in 90% of the country.
| 585 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:41:33am |
re: #567 quickjustice
To be sung at the White House later today: "A million bottles of beer on the wall, a million bottles of beer . . ."
Hmmm. You think they'll serve it in bottles or on tap?
| 586 |
razorbacker Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:41:48am |
Well, there are my pithy comments for the day.
*pith. The soft spongelike central cylinder of most flowery plants.*
| 587 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:42:02am |
| 588 |
jvic Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:42:11am |
re: #518 iceweasel
BTW, do not hate me for this, but did people see William Shatner doing a dramatic reading, to bongos, of Sarah Palin's last speech as beatnik poetry?[Link: newsroom.mtv.com...]
Hilarious.
The transcript of the Palin speech was bad and I turned off the video after a few minutes. It sounded like the first time she saw the speech was on the teleprompter.
But I gotta tell you, the Gipper could have gotten away with that material.
Palin will speak at the Reagan Library. Does she intend to fill his shoes?
Well, stranger things have happened, but IMO she's on track to fill the void left by another emblematic Republican.
Dan Quayle.
I'm not sure she cares as long as the money pours in.
Offense to none and good day to all...logging off...this time I really mean it...
| 589 |
razorbacker Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:42:29am |
re: #578 iceweasel
Razorbacker, you posted that link to the Balko article on Gates at Reason, right? (I think?)
Yep.
| 590 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:42:32am |
re: #583 Spenser (with an S)
I see her as a "safe" columnist for big media to point to and say
"look, we've got a conservative". She's a country club republican.
Hmmm...maybe. David Brooks is that kind of 'conservative' on the left. He's every liberal's favourite conservative, or used to be, if you read the NYT op-ed page.
| 591 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:43:09am |
| 592 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:43:10am |
re: #586 razorbacker
Well, there are my pithy comments for the day.
*pith. The soft spongelike central cylinder of most flowery plants.*
Pith... Thumpthin' I have to do after drinking too much thuds.
| 593 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:43:49am |
'Would you step outside onto the porch.'... All the hairs stood up on the back of my neck, and I realized that I was in danger.
good grief...
[Link: www.salon.com...]
| 594 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:44:20am |
| 595 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:44:23am |
Sounds like Parker is to the Post as Brooks is to the Times: the House Conservative. And I'm not terrible impressed with Brooks.
| 596 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:44:38am |
| 597 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:45:56am |
re: #589 razorbacker
Yep.
Cool, I was asking so I didn't post a whole thing if you weren't---
Thanks so much for posting that; I really thought it got to the heart of the (real) issues. I've read a number of things by Balko in the past and think he's generally pretty good. Anyway, thanks again! I've sent it to a few people.
| 598 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:45:57am |
re: #587 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, if she did buy gym equipment, she didn't use it.
| 599 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:46:08am |
re: #584 Lincolntf
Those labels (Conservative/Liberal) are not immutable. I've read her columns for years and years, though never her books.
I'd say she's a moderate Beltway Conservative, which would make her a Liberal in 90% of the country.
If she's pro-FCBBHO as I've seen her quoted here and there, that's all I need to know.
| 600 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:46:11am |
re: #591 midwestgak
Simple pun. Lightening rod. Nothing more.
I know -- I was the one with the juvenile, Beavis & Butthead mindset :>)
| 601 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:46:21am |
re: #585 Gang of One
Apparently, each participant already has told the White House which brew he prefers. Bottles, therefore, are likely, unless they can consume a keg each.
Crowley might be able to do a keg. Gates and Obama, doubtful.
| 602 |
huckfunn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:47:01am |
re: #576 VioletTiger
Unicorns - snark for the many overblown expectations for Obama.
Thanks for the help. I'm still on the learning curve. As to the overblown expectations for BO, Bob Dylan got it right:
Aint it hard when you discover that
He really wasnt where its at
After he took from you everything he could steal.
| 604 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:47:33am |
re: #588 jvic
Hilarious.
The transcript of the Palin speech was bad and I turned off the video after a few minutes. It sounded like the first time she saw the speech was on the teleprompter.
But I gotta tell you, the Gipper could have gotten away with that material.
Palin will speak at the Reagan Library. Does she intend to fill his shoes?
Well, stranger things have happened, but IMO she's on track to fill the void left by another emblematic Republican.
Dan Quayle.
I'm not sure she cares as long as the money pours in.
Offense to none and good day to all...logging off...this time I really mean it...
**shrug**
I liked it.
| 605 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:48:17am |
Hi All -
Dan Rather wants Obama to --
“I personally encourage the president to establish a White House commission on public media,”
[Link: www.aspendailynews.com...]
| 606 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:48:39am |
re: #555 huckfunn
When after only 6 months in Office more than half of the country disapproves of the way you're doing your job, despite billions of dollars worth of free promotion by the MSM, you're probably screwed.
Let's just hope that Obama leaves the country in better shape than he left the South Side of Chicago.
| 607 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:49:05am |
re: #595 quickjustice
Sounds like Parker is to the Post as Brooks is to the Times: the House Conservative. And I'm not terrible impressed with Brooks.
she's a racialist neocon RINO...maybe some other stuff too...hahaha!...lets make as complicated as possible
| 608 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:49:42am |
re: #605 FrogMarch
Oh, Dan Rather-- Charles's favorite "journalist", now retired, largely thanks to Charles.
| 609 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:50:07am |
This is gonna' be another busy day. Yesterday I put up a bunch of corn for winter and today I'm gonna' make and put up a bunch of bread-and-butter pickle relish: cukes, onions, bell peppers, tumeric, ginger, celery seed and salt. Nummy. Open a jar in December and I have instant sunshine in the dead of winter. Next, I'll put up a bushel of purple-hulled peas.
| 610 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:50:08am |
re: #593 albusteve
'Would you step outside onto the porch.'... All the hairs stood up on the back of my neck, and I realized that I was in danger.
good grief...
[Link: www.salon.com...]
Gates is starting to make Al Sharpton look sane by comparison.
| 611 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:50:33am |
re: #608 quickjustice
Oh, Dan Rather-- Charles's favorite "journalist", now retired, largely thanks to Charles.
Is his gig with HDNet over?
| 612 |
legalpad Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:50:39am |
re: #587 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm sorry. This has nothing to do with any thing we are talking about, but funny as hell...
If I wanted to send a message to everyone I know that I am crazier than shit, I guess I could have a life-size statue of myself made - I think they would all stay the hell away from me.
| 613 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:50:44am |
Morning all.
It's 42 degrees and drizzling at the Secret Mountain Lair this morning.
Had a late night last night, final dress, preview of new show tonight, we open tomorrow.
Show is "Enchanted April," a romantic drama based on the 1922 book (and on the 1990's movie). Period piece, 1920's, about 21 period costumes (5 women, 3 men), lovely costumes, setting is England and Italy.
Hope it doesn't snow. Do I have health care yet?
| 614 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:51:42am |
re: #609 MandyManners
I am finding you very attractive right now...
| 615 |
huckfunn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:52:23am |
re: #606 Lincolntf
Let's just hope that Obama leaves the country in better shape than he left the South Side of Chicago.
Ouch! That's a scary image. Even if he left the county many degrees better than he left Chicago it would still be ugly.
| 616 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:52:27am |
| 617 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:52:32am |
re: #590 iceweasel
I remember when he was with NRO. Went a little left when he went to NYT,
| 618 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:52:46am |
re: #595 quickjustice
Sounds like Parker is to the Post as Brooks is to the Times: the House Conservative. And I'm not terrible impressed with Brooks.
Ideologically, yes, but my impression is that Brooks is much shittier, dishonest, and makes shit up all the time.
His whole schtick is pretending to draw deep conclusions from minor pop-culture shit (look at his books). Anyway, he's recently famous for a whole column about how Obama will lose the election because he 'doesn't seem like he'd fit in at the Applebee's salad bar'
Of course, applebee's do not have salad bars, and god only knows when or if Brooks has ever actually been to one
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
Anyway--Parker doesn't, AFAIK, exhibit that level of shameless hackery and ignorance.
| 619 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:52:47am |
re: #614 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am finding you very attractive right now...
The quickest way to a man's heart is through his chest.
Oops. I mean, stomach.
| 620 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:53:50am |
re: #619 MandyManners
The quickest way to a man's heart is through his chest.
Oops. I mean, stomach.
I have the heart of a 12 year old and I keep it in a bottle of formaldehyde on a shelf.
| 621 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:54:04am |
re: #606 Lincolntf
After six months of hard work, the President has earned his beer with Crowley and Gates. Look for each of them to emerge from the meeting with an important White House Czardom. Crowley: Czar of Beer. Gates: Czar of Racial Grievance.
| 622 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:54:06am |
Gates-Crowley Beer Summit Will Take Place At White House Picnic Table
| 623 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:54:25am |
re: #617 BatGuano
I remember when he was with NRO. Went a little left when he went to NYT,
Yep. Leaned left to keep his schtick going as "liberals' favourite conservative".
Used to like him, years ago.
| 624 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:54:33am |
re: #590 iceweasel
I think of Brooks as the last thinking liberal journalist.
| 625 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:54:35am |
re: #610 Ward Cleaver
Gates is starting to make Al Sharpton look sane by comparison.
urban, liberal elites...they would get laughed outa town where I live..they thrive in their twisted reality and can't understand how ridiculous they look to the rest of us
| 626 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:55:12am |
| 627 |
legalpad Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:55:15am |
re: #619 MandyManners
The quickest way to a man's heart is through his chest.
Oops. I mean, stomach.
Mandy, you are a natural combat soldier.
| 628 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:55:21am |
re: #609 MandyManners
I got fresh corn on the cob in Pennsylvania last weekend. Gorgeous and delicious.
| 629 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:56:50am |
re: #613 Walter L. Newton
Morning all.
It's 42 degrees and drizzling at the Secret Mountain Lair this morning.
Had a late night last night, final dress, preview of new show tonight, we open tomorrow.
Show is "Enchanted April," a romantic drama based on the 1922 book (and on the 1990's movie). Period piece, 1920's, about 21 period costumes (5 women, 3 men), lovely costumes, setting is England and Italy.
Hope it doesn't snow. Do I have health care yet?
how old are you?...your govt issue, one shot zip gun is in the mail
| 630 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:56:51am |
re: #612 legalpad
If I wanted to send a message to everyone I know that I am crazier than shit, I guess I could have a life-size statue of myself made - I think they would all stay the hell away from me.
You got the firest chuckle out of me today. Good one.
| 631 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:57:01am |
| 632 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:57:11am |
re: #619 MandyManners
The quickest way to a man's heart is through his chest.
Oops. I mean, stomach.
Yes it is easier to reach the heart through the stomach. Less bones to get in the way. ;)
| 633 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:57:38am |
re: #618 iceweasel
Brooks is a protege of William F. Buckley, Jr.'s. I think he lacks talent and depth, which is why the N.Y. Times hired him.
| 635 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:58:41am |
re: #624 Kenneth
I think of Brooks as the last thinking liberal journalist.
I can stomach him...he seems pretty honest
| 639 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:59:34am |
re: #624 Kenneth
I think of Brooks as the last thinking liberal journalist.
Dang, really? I don't think of him as liberal or thinking. :(
I used to like him a lot. He might still have some columns that I would like, but I've stopped reading him.
For a long time he was my favourite person on the NYT Op-Ed page--and I'm a lib!
| 640 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:59:42am |
re: #555 huckfunn
the new number is -12
I've noticed that Barack is back on the campaign trail. He's out there blaming those evil Bush "tax cuts for the rich" (never mind that the top 1% of income earners pay most of the tax burden already - and that by promising to tax them more they simply take it off the table) (and never mind that the Bush tax cuts were across the board tax rate cuts for all levels of income)
So tired.
If only the Democrats understood economics.
| 641 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:59:45am |
re: #620 Walter L. Newton
I have the heart of a 12 year old and I keep it in a bottle of formaldehyde on a shelf.
Is that you, W.C.?
| 642 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:59:46am |
re: #636 BatGuano
I know. Good thing for him his parents are dead.
| 643 |
Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:00:17am |
Morning all
Tech question for those who use Firfox 3.5 Have you had any issues with it? I had to quit using it as it would'nt properly load web pages (have to hit refresh 3 or 4 times to get it to load) and then all it would display was the pages HTML code. It also wouldn't keep me logged in to LGF. Even after logging in, I couldn't post, up/dn ding or read a members stats. Cookies are set to basicly accept everything. I had to drop back to IE 7.
System Specs.
Dell Dimension 8100
1 Gig memory
1 gig processor
20 gig HD
XP home.
thanks in advance for any help.
| 644 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:00:42am |
re: #638 taxfreekiller
[Link: www.spaceweather.com...]
Ooh,
JUPITER UPDATE: Something interesting is happening to the dark impact mark on Jupiter. Not only is it growing larger, but also "it seems to be developing two lobes," says amateur astronomer Mike Hood, who sends this picture taken July 28th from his backyard observatory in Kathleen, Georgia:
1x3x9.
| 645 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:00:53am |
re: #627 legalpad
Mandy, you are a natural combat soldier.
You oughta' see me hurl a jar of bread-and-butter pickle relish.
| 647 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:01:17am |
re: #620 Walter L. Newton
I have the heart of a 12 year old and I keep it in a bottle of formaldehyde on a shelf.
Channeling Mike Rosen. ;-)
| 648 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:01:20am |
| 650 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:01:57am |
re: #628 quickjustice
I got fresh corn on the cob in Pennsylvania last weekend. Gorgeous and delicious.
I filled the entire bottom shelf of my fridge with sweet corn.
| 651 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:02:14am |
re: #633 quickjustice
Brooks is a protege of William F. Buckley, Jr.'s. I think he lacks talent and depth, which is why the N.Y. Times hired him.
The whole NYT Op-Ed page is horrible and lacks talent and depth-- and I say that as a lib. It's a trainwreck.
The only people who hate the NYT's Op-ed page more than republicans do are progressives. Seriously.
| 652 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:02:44am |
July is coming to a close.
Worst July ever for business.
Hope, change. Worthless.
| 653 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:02:49am |
re: #643 Bubblehead II
Have you checked your encoding for the pages? It's under the view menu I believe. As well check to make sure in your options that the cache isn't totally cleared everytime you exit.
| 654 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:03:24am |
re: #632 BlueCanuck
Yes it is easier to reach the heart through the stomach. Less bones to get in the way. ;)
I do wear shoes in the kitchen.
| 655 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:03:51am |
| 656 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:03:54am |
| 657 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:03:59am |
re: #636 BatGuano
Chris Buckley voted for Obama.
Hasn't he expressed buyer's remorse? I though I read that somewhere.
| 658 |
razorbacker Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:04:32am |
re: #597 iceweasel
Cool, I was asking so I didn't post a whole thing if you weren't---Thanks so much for posting that; I really thought it got to the heart of the (real) issues. I've read a number of things by Balko in the past and think he's generally pretty good. Anyway, thanks again! I've sent it to a few people.
As I read Balko, two of his main concerns are the militarization of domestic police activities and the damage that 'no-knock' raids do to folks when it turns out that the police have incorrect information and bust in doors on innocent civilians.
It does happen, you know.
| 659 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:04:44am |
re: #654 MandyManners
Never doubted it. I like a woman that cooks. Means I get a break from it on occassion as well.
| 660 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:04:46am |
| 661 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:05:11am |
re: #645 MandyManners
How do you put up the corn? Freeze?
| 662 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:05:25am |
re: #656 MandyManners
Where's my iron skillet?!
Care to use my 18 incher? Gets the point across quite nicely.
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Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:05:26am |
re: #640 FrogMarch
If they understood economics, they wouldn't be Democrats.
What they do understand is polls, focus groups and pork.
Watch for a "re-invented" Obama to emerge from the Martha's Vineyard vacation, complete with an MSM funded rollout ceremony.
"Barry 2.0 = The 2 you've been waiting for."
| 665 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:05:51am |
re: #657 Ward Cleaver
Hasn't he expressed buyer's remorse? I though I read that somewhere.
(yawning) I hope so. Haven't it read it but I hope he is.
| 666 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:06:10am |
re: #662 BlueCanuck
Care to use my 18 incher? Gets the point across quite nicely.
Not touching that...
| 667 |
Kronocide Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:06:13am |
re: #652 Gus 802
July is coming to a close.
Worst July ever for business..
We're just hitting the bottom of our trough and the next few quarters are going to be interesting. However we do see signs of business activity, signs of the other side.
| 668 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:06:28am |
re: #659 BlueCanuck
Never doubted it. I like a woman that cooks. Means I get a break from it on occassion as well.
Dickhead useta' cook breakfast before he'd go off to play golf all Saturday and Sunday. He would fill the skillet with oil before he fried BACON.
| 669 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:06:34am |
Good morning lizards. I bought my first Blackberry yesterday. What an awesome phone! I can't wait to learn everything it has to offer.
| 670 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:07:25am |
re: #661 Spenser (with an S)
How do you put up the corn? Freeze?
I cut if off the cob then scrape the cob, boil it with a lot of butter, let it cool, fill freezer bags with it and then freeze it.
| 671 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:07:44am |
| 673 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:08:06am |
re: #656 MandyManners
Where's my iron skillet?!
Pickled anything is by FAR my most hated food. I can't even be around to smell it without throwing up.
re: #662 BlueCanuck
Care to use my 18 incher? Gets the point across quite nicely.
No matter how long I've been awake doing homework, I can always be a pervert.
LOL
| 674 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:08:22am |
re: #662 BlueCanuck
Care to use my 18 incher? Gets the point across quite nicely.
I bet it does.
I got mine from a company in Abbingdon, Virginia.
| 676 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:08:58am |
| 677 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:09:04am |
re: #663 Lincolntf
If they understood economics, they wouldn't be Democrats.
What they do understand is polls, focus groups and pork.
Watch for a "re-invented" Obama to emerge from the Martha's Vineyard vacation, complete with an MSM funded rollout ceremony.
"Barry 2.0 = The 2 you've been waiting for."
The left are predictable - that's for sure.
They also understand populous rhetoric like "The rich are getting richer"( to which I say - GOOD! - Rich people pay my salary!)
| 678 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:09:14am |
| 679 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:09:15am |
| 680 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:09:31am |
re: #667 BigPapa
We're just hitting the bottom of our trough and the next few quarters are going to be interesting. However we do see signs of business activity, signs of the other side.
I would be happy if we are hitting bottom right now. However, in my personal situation I am still descending and have zero (0) work right now, 19 dollars in the bank, and the rent is due next week. Typically, in my field, it slows down after summer due to a decline of construction because of the winter season -- as it has been historically. This is driving me a little stir crazy.
| 681 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:09:41am |
re: #668 MandyManners
Dickhead useta' cook breakfast before he'd go off to play golf all Saturday and Sunday. He would fill the skillet with oil before he fried BACON.
*twitch*
| 682 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:09:44am |
| 683 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:10:10am |
re: #676 MandyManners
Who dat?
A comic who had some fairly funny material but a very annoying schtick in appearance and voice
| 684 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:10:23am |
re: #673 TheMatrix31
I read up-thread that you have exams today. GOOD LICK!
| 685 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:10:37am |
re: #658 razorbacker
As I read Balko, two of his main concerns are the militarization of domestic police activities and the damage that 'no-knock' raids do to folks when it turns out that the police have incorrect information and bust in doors on innocent civilians.
It does happen, you know.
The Mayor of Berwyn Heights, MD (who lives about a mile from me) had his two black labrador retrievers shot by a SWAT team last year in that kind of raid. He was completely innocent - drug dealers had sent a huge package of weed to his house.
| 686 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:11:07am |
Call it a sign of desperate times: Legislators are considering selling the House and Senate buildings where they've conducted state business for more than 50 years.
Dozens of other state properties also may be sold as the state government faces its worst financial crisis in a generation, if not ever. The plan isn't to liquidate state assets, though.
| 687 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:11:42am |
re: #677 FrogMarch
The left are predictable - that's for sure.
They also understand populous rhetoric like "The rich are getting richer"( to which I say - GOOD! - Rich people pay my salary!)
When we get into economic discussions, I've always told my lib freinds
"I've never been hired by a poor person"
| 688 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:11:44am |
re: #670 MandyManners
I cut if off the cob then scrape the cob, boil it with a lot of butter, let it cool, fill freezer bags with it and then freeze it.
ooo -lots of butter, eh? You've inspired meh. I'm going to try that with some Olathe corn.
| 689 |
Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:11:50am |
| 690 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:11:55am |
| 692 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:12:29am |
| 693 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:12:54am |
re: #674 MandyManners
Mines a Lodge from Tennesee. Want to get a Dutch Oven for my beans recipe.
| 694 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:13:24am |
re: #691 taxfreekiller
Got a Democrat liberal you want to get out of a conversation.
Use facts , lots of facts, keep up with facts, use only facts,
they self implode about 10 facts in.
No they don't, progressived tell you that you are seething and raging and that they don't want to squabble. Case closed.
| 696 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:14:18am |
re: #689 Bubblehead II
Encoding should be Western ISO, can't remember which one but either should do. Look around for the cache, what you mentioned was History. There will be a check box that says clear cache on exit or something like that.
| 697 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:14:37am |
re: #686 midwestgak
Old liberal trick: propose to cut essential government services, while leaving non-essentials untouched. Dumb voters then protest proposed cuts. Works every time.
| 698 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:14:45am |
re: #684 MandyManners
I read up-thread that you have exams today. GOOD LICK!
Yes ma'am. Thank you :) Still drafting up my "Cheat Sheet".
Don't worry, it's allowed by the professor!
| 699 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:14:55am |
re: #628 quickjustice
I got fresh corn on the cob in Pennsylvania last weekend. Gorgeous and delicious.
I have a whole pile of fresh Jersey Tomatoes here. My garden overfloweth with squash too. Wish I could share 'em through the interwebs.
| 700 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:15:03am |
re: #690 Mad Al-Jaffee
That's what SHE said!
ha! must upding you. :)
The Office is a brilliant show, and one of the few where the US remake of a UK show really is a reinvention and just as brill, if not better. IMO.
| 701 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:15:36am |
re: #697 quickjustice
Old liberal trick: propose to cut essential government services, while leaving non-essentials untouched. Dumb voters then protest proposed cuts. Works every time.
Always cut police & fire protection before art galleries and swimming pools.
| 702 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:15:43am |
| 703 |
Kronocide Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:15:56am |
re: #680 Gus 802
Honco Hope to my LGF brother. I don't know what market you're in but I'm tied to the luxury building industry: it's been down a while but architect's phones are starting to ring again, so that's work for me down the road. We don't have much monster project work in the line but there's smaller stuff out there.
| 704 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:16:09am |
re: #685 Mad Al-Jaffee
The Mayor of Berwyn Heights, MD (who lives about a mile from me) had his two black labrador retrievers shot by a SWAT team last year in that kind of raid. He was completely innocent - drug dealers had sent a huge package of weed to his house.
Can't blame them for shooting those black labs because they are the most ferocious and vicious dogs there are. Do I need a sarc tag mad? That is just horrible of that SWAT team. Good morning everyone. Hey this is the injustice of the day, watch the video
[Link: www.politico.com...]
| 705 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:16:15am |
re: #683 sattv4u2
A comic who had some fairly funny material but a very annoying schtick in appearance and voice
As annoying as Carrot Top?
| 706 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:16:16am |
Charlize Theron to Star in Christopher Buckley's Florence of Arabia: so the headline reads. That should tell you something. As far as I am concerned Chris Buckley should stick to writing novels and stay out of political commentary. It doesn't mean a damn thing who his father was and he has already proven to be a persona non grata in the public eye. Legacy is meaningless as shown in this case and as in the case of others.
| 707 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:16:27am |
re: #669 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards. I bought my first Blackberry yesterday. What an awesome phone! I can't wait to learn everything it has to offer.
Not a Storm is it?
| 708 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:16:31am |
re: #700 iceweasel
Yeah, it's one of the few sitcoms I watch. I don't really like the direction it's been going in the last season (they should just call it The Jam and Pam Show), but I'll give the next season a chance.
| 709 |
_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:16:51am |
To: Sergeant Crowley
From: _RememberTonyC
Date: 7/30/2009
RE: Beer Summit Statement
Dear Sergeant Crowley:
Do you want to become a hero to many Americans? Do you want to make a statement that will not be forgotten for a very long time? If so, please say something like this when speaking to the media at today's "Beer Summit."
"I would like to thank President Obama for his gracious invitation to the White House in order to discuss the recent incident involving myself and Professor Gates. As the President said so eloquently last week, this unfortunate incident does provide a teachable moment. As many of you know, I teach classes to policemen that educate them on the need to avoid racial profiling while doing their jobs. And in the spirit of teaching and enlightenment, I would hope that Professor Gates has now learned that his assumptions about my motives were based on lack of sensitivity regarding people who are different from himself. If Professor Gates has indeed learned that lesson, than this truly will have become the teachable moment that President Obama hoped it would be. Thanks very much."
| 710 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:17:11am |
| 712 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:17:18am |
re: #662 BlueCanuck
Care to use my 18 incher? Gets the point across quite nicely.
Wouldn't that make *WHANG!* type of sound?
| 713 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:17:30am |
re: #702 MandyManners
Those types tend not too. Unless he has a family history of that stuff.
| 714 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:17:56am |
re: #687 sattv4u2
When we get into economic discussions, I've always told my lib freinds
"I've never been hired by a poor person"
Indeed. If you peel away the smooth populous rhetoric - the left simply want to tax everyone, especially the overly vilified overly taxed "rich".
The left hate profits and want to confiscate as much as possible so they can control it. (and they wonder why we accuse them of being socialists?)
That's it. That's their goal in life- to tear it all down.
Good luck with that.
| 715 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:17:56am |
re: #650 MandyManners
I filled the entire bottom shelf of my fridge with sweet corn.
I want to try making pickles this summer. How do you make yours?
| 716 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:17:58am |
re: #699 VioletTiger
I have a whole pile of fresh Jersey Tomatoes here. My garden overfloweth with squash too. Wish I could share 'em through the interwebs.
Lucky you. My garden this year is a mess. Tomatoes haven't even bloomed. I am finally starting to get zuchini and green beans though. Local garden lady on the radio says too much rain not enough sun.
| 717 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:18:03am |
re: #703 BigPapa
Honco Hope to my LGF brother. I don't know what market you're in but I'm tied to the luxury building industry: it's been down a while but architect's phones are starting to ring again, so that's work for me down the road. We don't have much monster project work in the line but there's smaller stuff out there.
Thanks. I was actually tied to a luxury home builder and he's doing OK. However, he hired some full-time people to work in his office. He offered me a slot but I didn't think it would work out -- it would turn into a conflict of personalities in that environment. I'm still bugging him for work however.
| 718 |
legalpad Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:18:12am |
I was thinking yesterday, I don't remember what triggered it, that the Obamas have a tremendous opportunity to heal wounds, to join together. Imagine the speeches they could give, the lead they could take, especially, with regard to race relations. Instead they choose to reflect resentment, antagonism, perpetuating the same tired old hatreds.
| 719 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:18:20am |
re: #705 MandyManners
As annoying as Carrot Top?
WORSE. At leats CT doesn't have an annoying whiney voice. Just Google Emo Phillips and try to listen to 10 seconds of it
| 720 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:18:49am |
re: #688 FrogMarch
ooo -lots of butter, eh? You've inspired meh. I'm going to try that with some Olathe corn.
Have fun! Putting up food for the winter takes a bit of work but, it's worth it in the winter. Some say it's economical but, by the time I buy the food and the spices and figure in the cost of my time, it's about even.
| 721 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:19:04am |
re: #710 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
UHG ,,, his material was funny, but that voice ,,,
| 722 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:19:27am |
re: #693 BlueCanuck
Mines a Lodge from Tennesee. Want to get a Dutch Oven for my beans recipe.
Dried beans?
| 723 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:19:38am |
| 724 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:19:38am |
re: #718 legalpad
Racial grievance redux. Same old, same old.
| 725 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:19:59am |
re: #709 _RememberTonyC
nice! Tony, did you watch the video in my post upthread? Talk about injustice.
| 726 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:20:07am |
re: #698 TheMatrix31
Yes ma'am. Thank you :) Still drafting up my "Cheat Sheet".
Don't worry, it's allowed by the professor!
Do students still use blue books?
| 727 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:20:17am |
re: #709 _RememberTonyC
To: Sergeant Crowley
From: _RememberTonyC
Date: 7/30/2009
RE: Beer Summit StatementDear Sergeant Crowley:
Do you want to become a hero to many Americans? Do you want to make a statement that will not be forgotten for a very long time? If so, please say something like this when speaking to the media at today's "Beer Summit."
"I would like to thank President Obama for his gracious invitation to the White House in order to discuss the recent incident involving myself and Professor Gates. As the President said so eloquently last week, this unfortunate incident does provide a teachable moment. As many of you know, I teach classes to policemen that educate them on the need to avoid racial profiling while doing their jobs. And in the spirit of teaching and enlightenment, I would hope that Professor Gates has now learned that his assumptions about my motives were based on lack of sensitivity regarding people who are different from himself. If Professor Gates has indeed learned that lesson, than this truly will have become the teachable moment that President Obama hoped it would be. Thanks very much."
That would be so amazing.
| 728 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:20:50am |
re: #722 MandyManners
Dried beans?
Yep, and a pound of bacon, molasses, tomatoe paste, onion, spices...
/damn making myself hungry now.
| 729 |
legalpad Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:21:04am |
re: #724 quickjustice
Racial grievance redux. Same old, same old.
Petty people have no concept of what greatness is, or could be. Like Clinton with his sophomoric affairs.
| 730 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:21:17am |
re: #706 Gus 802
I liked Thank You For Smoking, the book and the movie.
| 731 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:21:23am |
| 732 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:21:24am |
re: #694 Walter L. Newton
No they don't, progressived tell you that you are seething and raging and that they don't want to squabble. Case closed.
Not before calling you a racist/Nazi/fascist/sexist ...
| 733 |
_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:21:34am |
re: #725 turn
nice! Tony, did you watch the video in my post upthread? Talk about injustice.
Turn ... I did not. And unfortunately I have to leave for work in 5 minutes. I'll try to look at it later.
Thanks ...
| 734 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:21:38am |
| 735 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:21:41am |
re: #716 KenJen
Lucky you. My garden this year is a mess. Tomatoes haven't even bloomed. I am finally starting to get zuchini and green beans though. Local garden lady on the radio says too much rain not enough sun.
My peppers are suffering for it and I had to buy basil plants this year. Three packs of seeds never even came up. I think they washed away. Tomato harvest will be swell, however, especially the plums.
| 736 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:21:47am |
re: #723 Mad Al-Jaffee
Here's more on the story.
[Link: www.wjla.com...]
It was a setup. What a dirty trick.
| 737 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:21:54am |
re: #707 VioletTiger
Not a Storm is it?
No. I got the Curve. I read reviews on both and the Storm had terrible comments about it (slow, had to reboot 3-4 times a day, etc.) but the Curve had mostly positive comments.
| 738 |
Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:21:56am |
re: #696 BlueCanuck
Thanks, I will load it up and give it look see.
| 739 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:22:18am |
re: #709 _RememberTonyC
Boss just said that BHO will have a Red Stripe. Don't know if that's true. Would not surprise me that he would choose a foreign beer over an American one.
| 740 |
Yashmak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:22:28am |
re: #687 sattv4u2
When we get into economic discussions, I've always told my lib freinds
"I've never been hired by a poor person"
This is the single weakest point in the San Francisco indoctrination my brother has received over the years. I remind him of this, and you can see all the liberal proselyzing his friends have inflicted on him start to crack. He understands the implications.
| 741 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:22:38am |
re: #700 iceweasel
The Office is a brilliant show, and one of the few where the US remake of a UK show really is a reinvention and just as brill, if not better. IMO.
I don't know what to do with this. I seem to agree with you on most things today.
/must re-evaluate
| 742 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:22:52am |
re: #718 legalpad
I was thinking yesterday, I don't remember what triggered it, that the Obamas have a tremendous opportunity to heal wounds, to join together. Imagine the speeches they could give, the lead they could take, especially, with regard to race relations.
Every elected official has that opportunity.
| 743 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:23:16am |
re: #730 Mad Al-Jaffee
I liked Thank You For Smoking, the book and the movie.
Yeah. It's a movie of course. I do separate personal politics with the arts unless it's outright or approaching propaganda and lefty preachy works.
| 744 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:23:44am |
re: #733 _RememberTonyC
Turn ... I did not. And unfortunately I have to leave for work in 5 minutes. I'll try to look at it later.
Thanks ...
People jumped to the conclusion that the women who reported the Gates break in was racist, the tapes exonerated her. She was emotionally crushed over the ridicule.
| 745 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:23:51am |
re: #706 Gus 802
Charlize Theron to Star in Christopher Buckley's Florence of Arabia: so the headline reads. That should tell you something. As far as I am concerned Chris Buckley should stick to writing novels and stay out of political commentary. It doesn't mean a damn thing who his father was and he has already proven to be a persona non grata in the public eye. Legacy is meaningless as shown in this case and as in the case of others.
He'll never produce a character like Blackie Oakes!
| 746 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:23:53am |
re: #611 Ward Cleaver
Is his gig with HDNet over?
Nope, Dan Rather is still working. Here's the scoop on tonight's Dan Rather Reports, on HDNet (9/8c):
Dan Rather Reports
Pollution in Paradise - One of the most valuable and pristine natural habitats in the world, the Galapagos Islands are now threatened due in part to a flood of tourists. Dan Rather travels to the islands to examine the rapidly changing environment there.
| 747 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:24:11am |
re: #728 BlueCanuck
Yep, and a pound of bacon, molasses, tomatoe paste, onion, spices...
/damn making myself hungry now.
Yum. Will you post a recipe?
| 748 |
_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:24:12am |
| 749 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:24:17am |
re: #736 turn
It was a setup. What a dirty trick.
He's suing the county, and he should. Of course, that will hurt the county and probably raise taxes.
| 750 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:24:18am |
re: #727 TheMatrix31
White House Press Conference later today:
Crowley: "I want everyone to know how impressed I am with our President. I had no idea he could torpedo three beers in forty-five seconds. And Professor Gates-- he's really funny when he describes trying to get a cab in Manhattan!"
| 752 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:24:30am |
re: #739 KenJen
Boss just said that BHO will have a Red Stripe. Don't know if that's true. Would not surprise me that he would choose a foreign beer over an American one.
Shouldn't it be a yellow stripe? Down the back?
| 753 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:24:32am |
| 754 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:24:39am |
re: #710 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
no. Emo is very funny. I liked his delivery.
I cannot even look at Carrot Top without wanting to reach through the screen and smack him.
| 755 |
legalpad Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:24:44am |
re: #742 midwestgak
Every elected official has that opportunity.
Oh, right. Nothing unique, though, about the Obamas. Nothing historical there.
| 756 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:25:13am |
'Beer summit' distracts Obama from health care
"Over the last two days as we've discussed this issue, I don't know if you've noticed, but nobody has been paying much attention to health care," Obama lamented to reporters last Friday.
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
Hey Barry, I don't know if YOU noticed, but YOU were the one that opening YOUR big fat trap. It was YOU who didn't have all the facts. It was YOU who admitted to not knowing anything about the incident. It was YOU who said the police department was acting stupidly. It was YOU who wouldn't apologize and put this aside and let the professionals handle it. It was YOU who invited Gates and Crowley to the White House.
Well Barry, you said it yourself... "It's not about me, it's about you."
Really, how's that working out for you. Typical progressive, stir the pot, start the pot boiling and then whine about seething and rage and claim everyone is squabbling.
| 757 |
_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:25:28am |
re: #744 turn
People jumped to the conclusion that the women who reported the Gates break in was racist, the tapes exonerated her. She was emotionally crushed over the ridicule.
I did see it on TV ... I'll bet SHE could use a beer! Why no invite for her?
| 758 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:25:31am |
re: #739 KenJen
As I said in a previous thread, Obama should drink Stone Arrogant Bastard Ale.
| 759 |
Yashmak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:25:47am |
re: #744 turn
People jumped to the conclusion that the women who reported the Gates break in was racist,
That's because for some people, any story with more than one ethnic race MUST also involve racism.
| 760 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:26:02am |
re: #739 KenJen
Boss just said that BHO will have a Red Stripe. Don't know if that's true. Would not surprise me that he would choose a foreign beer over an American one.
He should drink something like Keystone Light.
| 761 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:26:03am |
re: #718 legalpad
I was thinking yesterday, I don't remember what triggered it, that the Obamas have a tremendous opportunity to heal wounds, to join together. Imagine the speeches they could give, the lead they could take, especially, with regard to race relations. Instead they choose to reflect resentment, antagonism, perpetuating the same tired old hatreds.
All we have to do is hack the TelePrompTer-In-Chief and replace his speeches with ours... How far into them do you think he'd get before he even realized what he was saying?
| 762 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:26:16am |
re: #713 BlueCanuck
Those types tend not too. Unless he has a family history of that stuff.
I have no idea. His mom died of rampant cancer about nine years ago and I have no idea about his father who abandoned the family about 40 years ago.
BAH! Enough about him.
| 763 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:26:51am |
re: #752 JamesTKirk
Earlier announcement was that the President is drinking Bud Light, which now is foreign-owned.
| 764 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:26:56am |
re: #639 iceweasel
Keep in mind, I use the Canadian definition of "liberal", which is centrist, not leftist.
| 765 |
Yashmak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:27:08am |
re: #754 MandyManners
I cannot even look at Carrot Top without wanting to reach through the screen and smack him.
Then it will please you to know that I ran over him on a snowboard several years ago at Squaw Valley.
| 767 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:27:16am |
Recession? What Recession!!
Today the Cresset Group, a real estate firm, will break ground for three new buildings that will accom modate top-shelf office space and four restaurants at the old Jimmy’s site. In addition to Legal’s, Cresset - which has the rights to develop the property - has signed up Zed451, an upscale grill with locations in Chicago and Boca Raton, Fla., to open at the location
This is happening on PRIME WATERFRONT land in Boston. Part of the project is replacing the pilings that will hold the dock up where a very famous Boston restaraunt (Jimmys Harborside) stood for 85 years.
[Link: www.boston.com...]
| 768 |
_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:27:18am |
re: #739 KenJen
Boss just said that BHO will have a Red Stripe. Don't know if that's true. Would not surprise me that he would choose a foreign beer over an American one.
all three guys are drinking foreign owned beers ... POTUS wants Bud Light, which is now a belgian owned brand.
| 769 |
legalpad Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:27:19am |
re: #761 JamesTKirk
All we have to do is hack the TelePrompTer-In-Chief and replace his speeches with ours... How far into them do you think he'd get before he even realized what he was saying?
Good idea.
| 770 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:27:45am |
re: #737 NJDhockeyfan
No. I got the Curve. I read reviews on both and the Storm had terrible comments about it (slow, had to reboot 3-4 times a day, etc.) but the Curve had mostly positive comments.
I have the Storm. It really sucks. Worst phone I have ever owned, but it's a work phone.
I got the enV3 for myself.
| 771 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:27:48am |
re: #759 Yashmak
That's because for some people, any story
with more than one ethnic raceMUSTalsoinvolve racism.
FTFY
| 772 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:28:10am |
re: #720 MandyManners
Have fun! Putting up food for the winter takes a bit of work but, it's worth it in the winter. Some say it's economical but, by the time I buy the food and the spices and figure in the cost of my time, it's about even.
Thanks for the warning. My problem is my freezer kills things after a few months.
| 773 |
Yashmak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:28:21am |
| 774 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:28:33am |
re: #749 Mad Al-Jaffee
He's suing the county, and he should. Of course, that will hurt the county and probably raise taxes.
Unfortunately nothing is going to bring back his labs. That was totally unnecessary, hell the dogs would probably lick them after they broke down the door. To be honest, labs do make great yard dogs but I don't think they posed enough of a threat to get shot.
| 775 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:28:33am |
re: #757 _RememberTonyC
I did see it on TV ... I'll bet SHE could use a beer! Why no invite for her?
[Link: www.politico.com...]
| 776 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:28:48am |
re: #756 Walter L. Newton
'Beer summit' distracts Obama from health care
"Over the last two days as we've discussed this issue, I don't know if you've noticed, but nobody has been paying much attention to health care," Obama lamented to reporters last Friday.
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
Hey Barry, I don't know if YOU noticed, but YOU were the one that opening YOUR big fat trap. It was YOU who didn't have all the facts. It was YOU who admitted to not knowing anything about the incident. It was YOU who said the police department was acting stupidly. It was YOU who wouldn't apologize and put this aside and let the professionals handle it. It was YOU who invited Gates and Crowley to the White House.
Well Barry, you said it yourself... "It's not about me, it's about you."
Really, how's that working out for you. Typical progressive, stir the pot, start the pot boiling and then whine about seething and rage and claim everyone is squabbling.
Thats so fucking annoying.
| 777 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:29:23am |
re: #757 _RememberTonyC
I did see it on TV ... I'll bet SHE could use a beer! Why no invite for her?
This thing is going to end up a huge embarrassment for o, yeah!
| 778 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:29:39am |
| 779 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:29:52am |
All of this beer summit talk reminds me of a bit from a classic Simpsons episode:
Nixon: Well I would suggest, Mr. Vancouver, that if you knew the
President that, that was just a facetious remark.
Announcer: And now a word from our sponsor.
Kennedy: I would like to take this opportunity to announce my
fondness for, ah, Duff Beer. [audience cheers]
Nixon: I'd also like to express, er, my fondness for that
particular beer.
[audience grumbles]
-- A Duff Beer commercial from 1960, "Duffless"The man never drank a Duff in his life.
-- Homer watches the Duff Beer commercial from 1960 featuring Nixon,
"Duffless"
| 780 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:29:59am |
re: #768 _RememberTonyC
all three guys are drinking foreign owned beers ... POTUS wants Bud Light, which is now a belgian owned brand.
I will unequivocally condemn Obama's choice of beer, and denounce him for it.
(Not because it's belgian-owned, but because I am unapologetic about my beer elitism.)
| 782 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:30:22am |
re: #759 Yashmak
That's because for some people, any story with more than one ethnic race MUST also involve racism.
Yeah, like with Gates.
| 783 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:30:37am |
re: #778 Kenneth
Drinking Bud Light is like having sex in a canoe.
F*cking too close to water.
O said he was going to drink beer.
If he turns around and drinks Bud Light instead, that'll be another one to add to the list of Presidential lies.
| 784 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:30:39am |
re: #756 Walter L. Newton
'Beer summit' distracts Obama from health care
"Over the last two days as we've discussed this issue, I don't know if you've noticed, but nobody has been paying much attention to health care," Obama lamented to reporters last Friday.
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
Hey Barry, I don't know if YOU noticed, but YOU were the one that opening YOUR big fat trap. It was YOU who didn't have all the facts. It was YOU who admitted to not knowing anything about the incident. It was YOU who said the police department was acting stupidly. It was YOU who wouldn't apologize and put this aside and let the professionals handle it. It was YOU who invited Gates and Crowley to the White House.
...
Bingo. Except I heard that it was Crowley who suggested the beer get-together. (I doubt he thought the slick-one would take him up on it)
| 785 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:30:47am |
re: #779 Mad Al-Jaffee
All of this beer summit talk reminds me of a bit from a classic Simpsons episode:
A million updings upon you!
| 786 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:30:55am |
| 787 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:31:19am |
re: #774 turn
He got two new black labs this year. I sometimes see him walking them when I'm driving or biking in the neighborhood. Nice guy. He always waves to me like he knows me when I pass by.
| 788 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:31:20am |
re: #756 Walter L. Newton
If he REALLY wanted to get on subject, he would not be having this silly beer fest.
| 789 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:31:23am |
re: #751 BigPapa
What's your trade/expertise?
Mostly it's been drafting. Worked in architecture, structural engineering, surveying. Also design. Lost of other graphic design related work.
| 790 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:31:29am |
re: #755 legalpad
Oh, right. Nothing unique, though, about the Obamas. Nothing historical there.
Now, now. I wasn't dismissing your observation, just adding to it.
| 791 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:31:32am |
re: #778 Kenneth
Drinking Bud Light is like having sex in a canoe.
F*cking too close to water.
Hey! I said that too! earlier in the thread.
But you were more polite than me and used asterisks. :(
| 792 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:31:42am |
re: #737 NJDhockeyfan
No. I got the Curve. I read reviews on both and the Storm had terrible comments about it (slow, had to reboot 3-4 times a day, etc.) but the Curve had mostly positive comments.
I have a Curve 8900, and I like it. The only issue I have with it is that sometimes it drops down to "edge" (you can only use text messaging when it's like that) instead of "EDGE", and I have to use QuickPull to reset it.
My sister got a Storm, and she hated the touchscreen at first. Don't know if she's gotten used to it.
| 794 |
Kronocide Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:32:07am |
re: #756 Walter L. Newton
'Beer summit' distracts Obama from health care
"Over the last two days as we've discussed this issue, I don't know if you've noticed, but nobody has been paying much attention to health care," Obama lamented to reporters last Friday.
My Irony Meter just red lined.
| 795 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:32:26am |
re: #756 Walter L. Newton
Seriously. He held the press conference. He asked millions of Americans to listen to him. He used that opportunity to tell those millions how he felt. The millions reacted to his speech, and somehow it's all their fault?
Apart from Obama's racism (which I believe is very real) the issue of his persecution complex should be broached. He is wealthy, he is the most powerful man in the world, he commands a loyal following of tens of millions of slavish fans and yet he still believes he's somehow getting screwed!
Get thee to a therapist, Barry, you're turning into a crackpot.
| 796 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:32:42am |
re: #747 iceweasel
Catch me later on in the evening. Have to dig it up at home. Or you can look for it on the Good Eats page of the Food network. I think it was in one of the "Pantry Raid" episodes. Really tasty, Usually dine on that for about a week all by myself. Great with buttered toast.
| 797 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:33:16am |
re: #757 _RememberTonyC
I did see it on TV ... I'll bet SHE could use a beer! Why no invite for her?
That could be a new ad campaign for a brewer - "Here, you look like you could use a beer." And have people like the 911 caller in them.
| 798 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:33:50am |
"A man handed me a pamphlet; it says, 'By the time you finish reading this ,another person in the world will have died from...'
So I stopped reading right there! I'm not going to kill someone...
-Emo Phillips
| 799 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:33:53am |
What's wrong with Samuel Adams beer? Not just an American beer, but named after a true American patriot?
| 800 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:33:55am |
re: #715 VioletTiger
I want to try making pickles this summer. How do you make yours?
This is not a pickle recipe. It's a recipe for bread-and-butter pickle relish. I slice about 30 cukes and dice eight large onions and bell peppers. I mix them with 1/2 cup of salt, cover it all in ice then stick it in the fridge over night. The next day, I drain it all and then boil five cups of vinegar, five cups of sugar, one tsp. of tumeric, 1/2 tsp. of cloves, 1 Tbs. celery seed, one Tbs. ginger and two Tbs. mustard seed. Then, I add the veggies and heat it through without boiling. Then, I put it into sterilized jars.
It's awesome with peas.
| 801 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:34:02am |
re: #786 turn
Hey Ward, THAT'S MY BEER!
That would get him the NA$CAR fans.
/ducking from flying beer cans
| 802 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:34:18am |
re: #787 Mad Al-Jaffee
He got two new black labs this year. I sometimes see him walking them when I'm driving or biking in the neighborhood. Nice guy. He always waves to me like he knows me when I pass by.
Aww, the story has a happy ending. Cool mayor. How bid is your town?
| 803 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:34:22am |
Why I'm a libertarian when it comes to health care: Keep the government out of it.
Only real free markets will improve access and lower costs.
... no wait- must. tax. the. rich. to. pay. for. government. controlled. disaster.
| 805 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:34:49am |
re: #796 BlueCanuck
Catch me later on in the evening. Have to dig it up at home. Or you can look for it on the Good Eats page of the Food network. I think it was in one of the "Pantry Raid" episodes. Really tasty, Usually dine on that for about a week all by myself. Great with buttered toast.
Oh gosh-- I will be looking for it. Must find! Thanks!
Beans on toast is one of the perfect foods, ever.
| 806 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:35:07am |
re: #789 Gus 802
Mostly it's been drafting. Worked in architecture, structural engineering, surveying. Also design. Lost of other graphic design related work.
Do you use Inventor?
| 809 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:35:46am |
re: #800 MandyManners
I have to try some of that. I do lots of jam and tomato sauce, but never ventured further.
| 810 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:36:01am |
re: #799 JamesTKirk
What's wrong with Samuel Adams beer? Not just an American beer, but named after a true American patriot?
Or one of the fine varieties of Shiner, from the Spoetzel Brewery in Shiner, Texas. I like their "Commemorator", the 100th anniversary dark ale.
| 811 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:36:11am |
re: #794 BigPapa
My Irony Meter just red lined.
Why? When they say, "Beer, breakfast of champions," they're not kidding.
Oh, wait, that's only for real beer.
| 812 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:36:12am |
re: #798 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"A man handed me a pamphlet; it says, 'By the time you finish reading this ,another person in the world will have died from...'
So I stopped reading right there! I'm not going to kill someone...
-Emo Phillips
[Link: stojng.bay.livefilestore.com...]
| 813 |
apachegunner Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:36:19am |
re: #662 BlueCanuck
Care to use my 18 incher? Gets the point across quite nicely.
gosh, all kinda things come to mind with that comment. geeesh hiya mandy :>)
| 814 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:36:19am |
This whole beer thing is beyond ridiculous. Can you imagine if George W. Bush would have held a "beer summit" at the White House. My Lord, the MSM would have had a field day about the "good ole boy solvin' problems over a beer".
| 815 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:36:38am |
| 816 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:36:41am |
re: #799 JamesTKirk
What's wrong with Samuel Adams beer? Not just an American beer, but named after a true American patriot?
And it has this thing called "flavor", unlike the pee water that Obama will be drinking. For a total snob like The Big O, he ought to know that!
| 817 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:37:09am |
re: #772 FrogMarch
Thanks for the warning. My problem is my freezer kills things after a few months.
Double-bag in freezer bags?
| 818 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:37:25am |
This whole thing could blow up quickly...we all know how Gates will handle it (no apology, etc.) and we know BHO will not say much and try to spin it...the real wild card is Crowley. Will he allow himself to be used to bail BHO out?
All Crowley would have to do is walk out of the WH to the waiting press and say that BHO and Gates were respectful and it was a good meeting...except...neither BHO or Gates apologized. People would go nuts...Crowley could just report the facts and be polite...it would give the story more life and make both BHO and Gates look bad again.
| 819 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:37:26am |
re: #802 turn
I live in College Park, right next to Berwyn Heights. College Park is fairly large, but mainly because it's a college town. Berwyn Heights is tiny. Ironically, though, Berwyn Heights has its own police department, and we don't - we have to rely on the county (PG, very bad reputation and history) police.
| 820 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:37:36am |
re: #795 Lincolntf
Contrast that with Bush and tell me who is a better leader. Oh ... never mind
| 821 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:37:42am |
re: #776 TheMatrix31
Thats so fucking annoying.
I find it amazing. This man is the president of the country, he started this, he can't deal with the outcry, so he starts blaming everyone else, calling it a distraction.
Honestly, if this was your kid, you will tell him or her that they shit in their pants and now THEY have to clean their ass.
This is a grown man, an adult, does he have ANY clue about how he sounds? Do other progressives actually stand behind this kind of immature behavior? Do we want this man making world effecting decisions?
Amazing.
| 822 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:37:43am |
re: #804 MandyManners
Good grief. I'm 85 behind.
Stop cooking for FBV.
/ducking again
/here comes the bread 'n butter pickle relish
| 823 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:38:03am |
re: #756 Walter L. Newton
'Beer summit' distracts Obama from health care
"Over the last two days as we've discussed this issue, I don't know if you've noticed, but nobody has been paying much attention to health care," Obama lamented to reporters last Friday.
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
Hey Barry, I don't know if YOU noticed, but YOU were the one that opening YOUR big fat trap. It was YOU who didn't have all the facts. It was YOU who admitted to not knowing anything about the incident. It was YOU who said the police department was acting stupidly. It was YOU who wouldn't apologize and put this aside and let the professionals handle it. It was YOU who invited Gates and Crowley to the White House.
Well Barry, you said it yourself... "It's not about me, it's about you."
Really, how's that working out for you. Typical progressive, stir the pot, start the pot boiling and then whine about seething and rage and claim everyone is squabbling.
Hold on a moment, President Barry, while I locate my atom sized violin. I left it next to my quantum give-a-shit.
| 824 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:38:03am |
re: #760 Ward Cleaver
He should drink something like Keystone Light.
I used to drink that stuff in college. It seems we could buy it for $6 bucks a case back then. Worst beer ever.
| 825 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:38:16am |
re: #816 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
And it has this thing called "flavor", unlike the pee water that Obama will be drinking. For a total snob like The Big O, he ought to know that!
You're assuming that the Big O has taste. Have you seen his wife?
| 826 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:38:16am |
re: #805 iceweasel
No problem, I steal my best ideas from his show. I also like his delivery.
| 827 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:38:27am |
re: #719 sattv4u2
WORSE. At leats CT doesn't have an annoying whiney voice. Just Google Emo Phillips and try to listen to 10 seconds of it
No, thanks. I have plenty of things to annoy me on my plate already. No need to go looking for more.
| 828 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:38:58am |
| 829 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:39:04am |
re: #824 KenJen
I used to drink that stuff in college. It seems we could buy it for $6 bucks a case back then. Worst beer ever.
As bad as Boone's?
| 830 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:39:08am |
re: #814 redstateredneck
This whole beer thing is beyond ridiculous. Can you imagine if George W. Bush would have held a "beer summit" at the White House. My Lord, the MSM would have had a field day about the "good ole boy solvin' problems over a beer".
And why is the president who is so concerned about ALL Americans having access to free health care promoting an unhealthy habit? I wonderif he'll sneak a cigarette after his beer.
| 831 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:39:10am |
re: #824 KenJen
I used to drink that stuff in college. It seems we could buy it for $6 bucks a case back then. Worst beer ever.
But hey, it has the lined cans!
| 832 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:39:12am |
re: #814 redstateredneck
This whole beer thing is beyond ridiculous. Can you imagine if George W. Bush would have held a "beer summit" at the White House. My Lord, the MSM would have had a field day about the "good ole boy solvin' problems over a beer".
George Bush was pictured, I think at a summit in Europe, having an
O'Douls and the MFMSM freaked out.
| 833 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:39:26am |
Speaking of red-lining your irony meter...
Dan Rather, on the importance of good journalism,
“A truly free and independent press is the red beating heart of democracy and freedom … This is not something just for journalists to be concerned about, and the loss of jobs and the loss of newspapers, and the diminution of the American press’ traditional role of being the watchdog on power. This is something every citizen should be concerned about.”
Speaking at the Aspen Institute, Dan Rather expressed his concerns about online blogging, which he believed could never replace the “craft” of journalism which was reeling under the triple whammies of “corporatization, politicization, and trivialization” and in “free fall”. “On the Internet, nobody wants censorship … just put anything out there with no accountability.”
"No accountability" ...that's something Dan understands.
| 834 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:39:26am |
re: #799 JamesTKirk
What's wrong with Samuel Adams beer? Not just an American beer, but named after a true American patriot?
Don't forget Red, White, and Blue Beer.
| 835 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:39:27am |
re: #728 BlueCanuck
Yep, and a pound of bacon, molasses, tomatoe paste, onion, spices...
/damn making myself hungry now.
For some reason I abhor sweet stuff such as baked beans.
| 836 |
Yashmak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:39:39am |
| 837 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:40:18am |
re: #833 Kenneth
Speaking of red-lining your irony meter...
Dan Rather, on the importance of good journalism,
Speaking at the Aspen Institute, Dan Rather expressed his concerns about online blogging, which he believed could never replace the “craft” of journalism which was reeling under the triple whammies of “corporatization, politicization, and trivialization” and in “free fall”. “On the Internet, nobody wants censorship … just put anything out there with no accountability.”"No accountability" ...that's something Dan understands.
Wow! That blew the needle off my bullshit meter.
| 838 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:40:19am |
re: #734 TheMatrix31
Do you have a space limit? I useta' go though those things quite quickly in an essay exam.
| 839 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:40:29am |
re: #824 KenJen
OMG, is that your baby in your avatar? Too cute! The dachshund pack would approve.
| 840 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:40:31am |
| 841 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:40:38am |
| 842 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:40:56am |
| 843 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:41:07am |
re: #824 KenJen
I used to drink that stuff in college. It seems we could buy it for $6 bucks a case back then. Worst beer ever.
No, Milwaukee's Best (or "Beast" as we called it) was the worst.
| 844 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:41:11am |
re: #823 acwgusa
"...quantum give-a-shit."
LOL. Sounds like the title for Deepak Chopra's next book.
| 845 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:41:16am |
| 846 |
Kronocide Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:41:17am |
Nobody is talking about health care because everybody is talking about race and beer.
| 847 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:41:20am |
re: #818 Charpete67
This whole thing could blow up quickly...we all know how Gates will handle it (no apology, etc.) and we know BHO will not say much and try to spin it...the real wild card is Crowley. Will he allow himself to be used to bail BHO out?
All Crowley would have to do is walk out of the WH to the waiting press and say that BHO and Gates were respectful and it was a good meeting...except...neither BHO or Gates apologized. People would go nuts...Crowley could just report the facts and be polite...it would give the story more life and make both BHO and Gates look bad again.
I was wondering if they will try and get an apology of sorts out of Crowley. I hope not. He has nothing to apologize for.
| 848 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:41:23am |
| 849 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:41:33am |
re: #765 Yashmak
Then it will please you to know that I ran over him on a snowboard several years ago at Squaw Valley.
You shredded him?
| 850 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:41:36am |
| 851 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:41:41am |
| 852 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:41:47am |
re: #804 MandyManners
Good grief. I'm 85 behind.
Well if it's any consolation I'm right here with ya. Morning MM, that relish sounds yummy and I would have never thought to use it on peas. Funny how certain foods go so good together.
| 853 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:41:52am |
| 854 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:41:58am |
re: #846 BigPapa
Nobody is talking about health care because everybody is talking about race and beer.
Maybe they should all have a black and tan...
| 855 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:42:11am |
re: #835 MandyManners
For some reason I abhor sweet stuff such as baked beans.
Well the recipe isn't that sweet. The sugar is important for the integrity of the beans. The saltiness of the bacon helps to moderate it.
| 856 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:42:12am |
re: #847 VioletTiger
I was wondering if they will try and get an apology of sorts out of Crowley. I hope not. He has nothing to apologize for.
If they do...it could look like they bullied him...especially if there are no other apologies.
| 857 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:42:29am |
re: #846 BigPapa
Nobody is talking about health care because everybody is talking about race and beer.
What's that about a race for beer? Oh, Race and Beer! Sorry, heard that wrong!
| 858 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:42:35am |
re: #833 Kenneth
Speaking of red-lining your irony meter...
Dan Rather, on the importance of good journalism,Speaking at the Aspen Institute, Dan Rather expressed his concerns about online blogging, which he believed could never replace the “craft” of journalism which was reeling under the triple whammies of “corporatization, politicization, and trivialization” and in “free fall”. “On the Internet, nobody wants censorship … just put anything out there with no accountability.”
"No accountability" ...that's something Dan understands.
Suck it, Dan.
| 859 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:42:55am |
re: #830 Mad Al-Jaffee
I wonder if he'll sneak a cigarette after his beer.
I know I had to practically quit drinking when I gave up smoking.
| 860 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:42:59am |
re: #824 KenJen
I used to drink that stuff in college. It seems we could buy it for $6 bucks a case back then. Worst beer ever.
Obviously, you've never experienced and Old Frothingslosh. It's motto was
"The Pale Stale Ale with the Foam On The Bottom"
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 861 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:42:59am |
re: #855 BlueCanuck
Well the recipe isn't that sweet. The sugar is important for the integrity of the beans. The saltiness of the bacon helps to moderate it.
Under Cap-and-Trade, baked beans will be banned because of their indirect contribution to greenhouse gases.
| 862 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:43:02am |
| 863 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:43:03am |
re: #788 VioletTiger
If he REALLY wanted to get on subject, he would not be having this silly beer fest.
And yesterday, on a local radio talk show, I actually heard a supporter of Barry complain that he is setting a bad example for the rest of the country by trying to solve a problem by sharing BEER.
Really, she was an addiction counselor and she thinks the president should be more sensitive to how much harder this "beer" meeting is going to make it for her in the future, when she tries to advise her patients that they don't need booze to solve all their problems.
Folks, this is the kind of people that voted Barry in. This is the kind of people who he is surrounding himself with, making decisions for us, all that hope and change.
Bullshit.
| 864 |
legalpad Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:43:17am |
re: #790 midwestgak
Now, now. I wasn't dismissing your observation, just adding to it.
Oh, OK. Sorry. I was just imagining Michelle giving a speech, it really wouldn't matter to whom or what organization, but it could include comments about the black experience in America, Jim Crow laws, etc. She could include ideas like,
"-but most of those who actually perpetrated these things are long dead," and "we could, now, blame their descendants. But we should not, we do not. It is now time for us to all move into the future together. The past is behind us. We have all learned lessons from it, but we should not drag it with us. We forgive the sins against us, we join hands and seek to free the remaining oppressed of the world together."
| 865 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:43:21am |
re: #832 Cannadian Club Akbar
George Bush was pictured, I think at a summit in Europe, having an
O'Douls and the MFMSM freaked out.
At DU, they constantly talked about Bush being a drunk - either a secret drunk or a "dry drunk." Do a search there on "bush" and "drinking" and you'll find all kinds of ridiculous posts.
| 866 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:43:25am |
re: #848 acwgusa
I want to create a new beer, and call it LoBrau.
Howzabout UniBrau, for urban, sexual neuters with facial-hair issues?
| 867 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:43:32am |
re: #808 Gus 802
Autocad
Inventor is an Autocad program, solids modeling. Very powerful, I use it on occasion, certainly no expert though.
| 868 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:43:40am |
re: #861 JamesTKirk
Under Cap-and-Trade, baked beans will be banned because of their indirect contribution to greenhouse gases.
FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!
| 869 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:44:11am |
| 871 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:44:18am |
Maybe they should all have a Carling Black Label?
| 872 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:44:34am |
re: #861 JamesTKirk
Under Cap-and-Trade, baked beans will be banned because of their indirect contribution to greenhouse gases.
Not that?!? They'll put Jay and Duke out of work.
| 873 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:44:35am |
re: #850 Spenser (with an S)
Or Schaefer?
Hey, we used to say if Budweiser was the king of beer, then Schaefer's was the prince!
'Course it was dirt cheap.
;-)
| 874 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:44:36am |
re: #824 KenJen
I used to drink that stuff in college. It seems we could buy it for $6 bucks a case back then. Worst beer ever.
If I may interject my taste experience, Hamms was the worst beer ever.
| 875 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:44:45am |
re: #866 Gang of One
Howzabout UniBrau, for urban, sexual neuters with facial-hair issues?
And it's non alcoholic version, Monobrau!
| 876 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:45:05am |
| 877 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:45:07am |
re: #864 legalpad
who's in control of the nuclear football while the prez is boozing it up?...or, maybe he thinks he nukes better when he's drinking.../
| 878 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:45:20am |
| 879 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:45:26am |
re: #865 Mad Al-Jaffee
At DU, they constantly talked about Bush being a drunk - either a secret drunk or a "dry drunk." Do a search there on "bush" and "drinking" and you'll find all kinds of ridiculous posts.
This is true, but DU really is the Free Republic of the left.
| 880 |
itellu3times Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:45:26am |
re: #814 redstateredneck
This whole beer thing is beyond ridiculous. Can you imagine if George W. Bush would have held a "beer summit" at the White House. My Lord, the MSM would have had a field day about the "good ole boy solvin' problems over a beer".
Dick Cheney could take Gates hunting.
| 881 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:45:44am |
re: #809 VioletTiger
I have to try some of that. I do lots of jam and tomato sauce, but never ventured further.
I'm doing spaghetti sauce this year, too. It's a two-day affair.
| 882 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:46:12am |
re: #860 sattv4u2
Obviously, you've never experienced and Old Frothingslosh. It's motto was
"The Pale Stale Ale with the Foam On The Bottom"
[Link: www.google.com...]
same people that brew Belchanfartin?
| 883 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:46:20am |
re: #867 turn
Inventor is an Autocad program, solids modeling. Very powerful, I use it on occasion, certainly no expert though.
I've seen it and it looks nice. Costs an arm and a leg. Sometimes I think about moving over to aerospace work but I'd need a degree. I've used the Autocad 3D which is kind of clumsy -- I'm using ADT 3.3 which used 2002. I use Sketchup for 3D work and it comes out really nice. If we had a free-market economy again I could make decent money.
| 884 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:46:25am |
| 885 |
legalpad Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:46:34am |
re: #861 JamesTKirk
Under Cap-and-Trade, baked beans will be banned because of their indirect contribution to greenhouse gases.
The motherfuckers
| 886 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:46:44am |
re: #877 Charpete67
who's in control of the nuclear football while the prez is boozing it up?...or, maybe he thinks he nukes better when he's drinking.../
Ahmadinijad
| 887 |
ladycatnip Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:47:17am |
AG's office drops case against black thugs at voting booth.
The picture of these guys holding sticks at the voting place weren't intimidating at all, just good citizens, right?
| 888 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:47:18am |
| 889 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:47:20am |
re: #874 midwestgak
If I may interject my taste experience, Hamms was the worst beer ever.
"From the land of sky-blue wa-a-ter..."
| 890 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:47:22am |
re: #885 legalpad
The motherfuckers
There you go, disparaging people with alternate lifestyles again.
| 892 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:47:27am |
re: #819 Mad Al-Jaffee
I live in College Park, right next to Berwyn Heights. College Park is fairly large, but mainly because it's a college town. Berwyn Heights is tiny. Ironically, though, Berwyn Heights has its own police department, and we don't - we have to rely on the county (PG, very bad reputation and history) police.
With a SWAT team like theirs maybe you are better off having a separate police department.
| 893 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:47:41am |
re: #875 acwgusa
And it's non alcoholic version, Monobrau!
And its offshoot, a champagne called HiBrau!
| 894 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:47:51am |
Wish I had the space and equipment to do some canning. I have a real tiny kitchen. Good news part is that I do have excellent storage space. My mom used to buy bushels of tomatoes and can them every summer. Even had a "root cellar" type space in our basement. Family home had a fieldstone basement.
| 896 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:48:11am |
re: #893 acwgusa
And its offshoot, a champagne called HiBrau!
And a version sold online called iBrau
| 897 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:48:21am |
re: #884 JamesTKirk
You naughty, naughty girl.
Two days? Tantric?
I've never heard of tantric tomatoes.
| 898 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:48:30am |
re: #887 ladycatnip
AG's office drops case against black thugs at voting booth.
The picture of these guys holding sticks at the voting place weren't intimidating at all, just good citizens, right?
You misunderstood. They were just getting their bats ready for the Midnight Baseball Outreach Program
| 899 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:48:32am |
re: #846 BigPapa
Nobody is talking about health care because everybody is talking about race and beer.
There's that danged NASCAR again.
| 900 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:48:37am |
re: #887 ladycatnip
I wonder if Obama is going to tell us that the AG's office acted stupidly?
I won't be holding my breath.
| 901 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:48:51am |
re: #883 Gus 802
I've seen it and it looks nice. Costs an arm and a leg. Sometimes I think about moving over to aerospace work but I'd need a degree. I've used the Autocad 3D which is kind of clumsy -- I'm using ADT 3.3 which used 2002. I use Sketchup for 3D work and it comes out really nice. If we had a free-market economy again I could make decent money.
And you don't care about all the folks overseas who have cad degrees and need to use their training to make a living.
Heartless Gus, heartless.
/
| 902 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:48:54am |
| 903 |
apachegunner Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:49:10am |
re: #898 sattv4u2
You misunderstood. They were just getting their bats ready for the Midnight Baseball Outreach Program
get used to it
| 904 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:49:24am |
re: #817 MandyManners
Double-bag in freezer bags?
I'll try it. When I freeze various stews and chili (and I place them in containers with tight lids - I get freezer burn after a while. Again, I think it's me freezer. I've had to call the repair person to fix the fridge side because it wasn't cooling properly - and hte freezer side is too cold.
| 906 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:50:10am |
re: #846 BigPapa
Nobody is talking about health care because everybody is talking about race and beer.
good...it makes it harder for them to piss my money away.
| 907 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:50:24am |
re: #887 ladycatnip
AG's office drops case against black thugs at voting booth.
The picture of these guys holding sticks at the voting place weren't intimidating at all, just good citizens, right?
They're just volunteer security guards, making sure that no voters are intimidated.
/
| 908 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:50:35am |
re: #892 turn
With a SWAT team like theirs maybe you are better off having a separate police department.
It was a PG County SWAT Team. Berwyn Heights is way too small for something like that.
There's a long history of corruption and brutality in the PG County Police Department.
| 909 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:51:06am |
| 910 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:51:13am |
re: #824 KenJen
I used to drink that stuff in college. It seems we could buy it for $6 bucks a case back then. Worst beer ever.
Hey jen, guess what? We have our first disagreement. ha I drink it and actually like it. Used to drink Coors light but found out Keystone is the same stuff only way cheaper. You can get it on sale for as low as $12.95 a thirty pack. Quantity not quality is my motto
| 911 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:51:19am |
re: #859 redstateredneck
I know I had to practically quit drinking when I gave up smoking.
Believe it or not, this is the reason why I support bans on smoking in bars and restaurants. When I was a non-smoker I didn't care; when I was (briefly) a smoker I wanted the opportunity to smoke in those places...as an exsmoker now, I know the only times that I really have to struggle with the urge to start again is there.
Banning smoking in bars and restaurants is a good policy, IMO, not just because of the secondhandsmoke issue but because it helps smokers to quit and most of all, helps those who have quit to stay quit.
| 912 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:51:19am |
re: #904 FrogMarch
I'll try it. When I freeze various stews and chili (and I place them in containers with tight lids - I get freezer burn after a while. Again, I think it's me freezer. I've had to call the repair person to fix the fridge side because it wasn't cooling properly - and hte freezer side is too cold.
Yeah, don't use containers, use bags. Containers leave too much air space.
| 913 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:51:35am |
re: #901 Walter L. Newton
And you don't care about all the folks overseas who have cad degrees and need to use their training to make a living.
Heartless Gus, heartless.
/
Right! Yeah, I should just accept the fact that I should find section 8 housing, and get a job with the City and County of Denver in some "green building" related position like green facilities janitor.
| 914 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:52:02am |
re: #904 FrogMarch
I'll try it. When I freeze various stews and chili (and I place them in containers with tight lids - I get freezer burn after a while. Again, I think it's me freezer. I've had to call the repair person to fix the fridge side because it wasn't cooling properly - and hte freezer side is too cold.
Don't lid the containers until the food is room temp. If you put the lids on while still hot/warm the condensation from the cooling process traps in the extra moisture causing your "burn"
| 915 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:52:21am |
| 916 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:52:31am |
re: #887 ladycatnip
AG's office drops case against black thugs at voting booth.
The picture of these guys holding sticks at the voting place weren't intimidating at all, just good citizens, right?
Our votes don't count, when ACORN does the counting.
| 917 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:52:39am |
I just Googled "tantric tomatoes". I've a sneaking suspicion that there is no such thing.
| 918 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:52:55am |
re: #904 FrogMarch
re: #914 sattv4u2
Don't lid the containers until the food is room temp. If you put the lids on while still hot/warm the condensation from the cooling process traps in the extra moisture causing your "burn"
AND stir often as it's cooling. That again releases the excess heat/ moisture
| 919 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:53:09am |
re: #911 iceweasel
Believe it or not, this is the reason why I support bans on smoking in bars and restaurants. When I was a non-smoker I didn't care; when I was (briefly) a smoker I wanted the opportunity to smoke in those places...as an exsmoker now, I know the only times that I really have to struggle with the urge to start again is there.
Banning smoking in bars and restaurants is a good policy, IMO, not just because of the secondhandsmoke issue but because it helps smokers to quit and most of all, helps those who have quit to stay quit.
How about just stopping?
| 920 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:53:10am |
re: #911 iceweasel
Believe it or not, this is the reason why I support bans on smoking in bars and restaurants. When I was a non-smoker I didn't care; when I was (briefly) a smoker I wanted the opportunity to smoke in those places...as an exsmoker now, I know the only times that I really have to struggle with the urge to start again is there.
Banning smoking in bars and restaurants is a good policy, IMO, not just because of the secondhandsmoke issue but because it helps smokers to quit and most of all, helps those who have quit to stay quit.
yes, telling people what to do on their private property is a good thing...got it
| 921 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:53:14am |
re: #912 Ward Cleaver
Yeah, don't use containers, use bags. Containers leave too much air space.
will do. Thanks for the tip guys.
| 922 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:53:26am |
re: #913 Gus 802
Right! Yeah, I should just accept the fact that I should find section 8 housing, and get a job with the City and County of Denver in some "green building" related position like green facilities janitor.
Well, according to newthink, you would be a Facilities Maintenence Engineer, Supervising the Manually Operated Cleaning Device Division.
| 923 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:53:47am |
re: #915 turn
Worst beer? del sol, in Mexico. gag
Mickey's big mouth beer?
If I was Crowley, I'd ask for Colt45 in a brown paper bag.
| 924 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:53:51am |
re: #904 FrogMarch
I'll try it. When I freeze various stews and chili (and I place them in containers with tight lids - I get freezer burn after a while. Again, I think it's me freezer. I've had to call the repair person to fix the fridge side because it wasn't cooling properly - and hte freezer side is too cold.
I've never had that problem with my deep freeze. Good luck on getting yours to behave.
| 925 |
ladycatnip Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:53:52am |
#900 Lincolntf
I wonder if Obama is going to tell us that the AG's office acted stupidly?
I won't be holding my breath.
These Black Panthers are probably close friends of The Won, just like Gates.
| 926 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:53:55am |
| 927 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:54:10am |
re: #914 sattv4u2
Don't lid the containers until the food is room temp. If you put the lids on while still hot/warm the condensation from the cooling process traps in the extra moisture causing your "burn"
Good advice. I have found this to be true when I was "in a hurry". Better to take the time to let it cool first.
| 928 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:54:24am |
re: #922 acwgusa
Well, according to newthink, you would be a Facilities Maintenence Engineer, Supervising the Manually Operated Cleaning Device Division.
Excellent. I would just add a Green preface for:
Green Facilities Maintenence Engineer, Supervising the Manually Operated Cleaning Device Division
//
| 929 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:54:32am |
re: #923 Charpete67
Mickey's big mouth beer?
If I was Crowley, I'd ask for Colt45 in a brown paper bag.
"Works every time!"
| 930 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:54:48am |
re: #172 Pvt Bin Jammin
Goodnight, lizards. I love all of you, and I am going to bed so if anyone wants to respond, do it later. Cato, I agree with you but you come on too strong. My hubby just had spinal surgery on Cervical 5/Cervical 6. He could have been paralyzed by the surgery OR the chiropractic thing. He's doing pretty well. If he would only stay still.
'Nite Cato and all of the lizards.
God bless your husband.
The difference is, the spinal surgery had a chance - a scary, uncertain, but real chance - of fixing what's wrong with your husband's neck. Chiropractic - glorified massage with pretensions to "doctoricity" - could maybe have made him feel better, but could have paralyzed him, too. And with chiro you need to keep going back over and over again for continual "(re)adjustments". Just like the bogus fine tunings of my "qi energy" from endless acupuncture "treatments", monitored by six different "pulses" that don't friggin' exist. Only acupuncturists can feel them. They dupe themselves, then their "patients". Give me a massage, but don't give me pseudo-scientific rationales like "subluxation" and "meridian energy pathways". The massage might kill me, too, but at least I won't die duped.
| 931 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:54:53am |
re: #917 MandyManners
I just Googled "tantric tomatoes". I've a sneaking suspicion that there is no such thing.
Nonsense. Have you ever seen what a tomato vine does with a stake?
| 932 |
Van Helsing Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:54:55am |
re: #911 iceweasel
Believe it or not, this is the reason why I support bans on smoking in bars and restaurants. When I was a non-smoker I didn't care; when I was (briefly) a smoker I wanted the opportunity to smoke in those places...as an exsmoker now, I know the only times that I really have to struggle with the urge to start again is there.
Banning smoking in bars and restaurants is a good policy, IMO, not just because of the secondhandsmoke issue but because it helps smokers to quit and most of all, helps those who have quit to stay quit.
So everyone else has to deal with YOUR issues? Glad we could help.
| 933 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:55:09am |
re: #923 Charpete67
Mickey's big mouth beer?
If I was Crowley, I'd ask for Colt45 in a brown paper bag.
"Give me the bottle shaped like the brown paper bag."
| 934 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:55:13am |
Dammit, James Tiberius Kirk. I owe you a noogie and an atomic wedgie.
| 935 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:55:16am |
re: #911 iceweasel
Believe it or not, this is the reason why I support bans on smoking in bars and restaurants. When I was a non-smoker I didn't care; when I was (briefly) a smoker I wanted the opportunity to smoke in those places...as an exsmoker now, I know the only times that I really have to struggle with the urge to start again is there.
Banning smoking in bars and restaurants is a good policy, IMO, not just because of the secondhandsmoke issue but because it helps smokers to quit and most of all, helps those who have quit to stay quit.
How about letting the owner of the bar/ restaurant decide if he/she wants to allow smoking or not?
Yes, they COULD lose business to non-smokers, but that should be their call, not the gov'ts nor the non-smoking publics
| 936 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:55:23am |
re: #910 turn
Hey jen, guess what? We have our first disagreement. ha I drink it and actually like it. Used to drink Coors light but found out Keystone is the same stuff only way cheaper. You can get it on sale for as low as $12.95 a thirty pack. Quantity not quality is my motto
GrainBelt lite has to be the worst beer ever made. You could probably get a keg for $12.95
| 937 |
legalpad Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:55:28am |
re: #877 Charpete67
who's in control of the nuclear football while the prez is boozing it up?...or, maybe he thinks he nukes better when he's drinking.../
| 938 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:55:38am |
| 939 |
ladycatnip Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:55:50am |
#907 Ward Cleaver
They're just volunteer security guards, making sure that no voters are intimidated.
My thots exactly.
| 940 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:56:00am |
re: #881 MandyManners
I'm doing spaghetti sauce this year, too. It's a two-day affair.
It is becoming a lost art. Not many people do this anymore, but it will be worth it when you pop the jar on a snowy morning.
| 941 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:56:04am |
re: #925 ladycatnip
#900 Lincolntf
These Black Panthers are probably close friends of The Won, just like Gates.
Just some guys he knows from the neighborhood.
| 943 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:56:16am |
re: #928 Gus 802
Excellent. I would just add a Green preface for:
Green Facilities Maintenence Engineer, Supervising the Manually Operated Cleaning Device Division
//
You've got it! Now jettison all but one brain cell, and you too can be part of the new GovZombie program!
| 944 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:56:38am |
re: #911 iceweasel
It's happened up here in the Province of Ontario. About two years back they mandated a blanket no smoking law all across the province. It was bound to happen eventually because a lot of cities were doing it already. A lot of bars at first went under due to the law. Things have stabilized since then. Still annoying to go for a smoke in the middle of winter or a rain storm.
| 945 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:56:50am |
re: #935 sattv4u2
How about letting the owner of the bar/ restaurant decide if he/she wants to allow smoking or not?
Yes, they COULD lose business to non-smokers, but that should be their call, not the gov'ts nor the non-smoking publics
"I need to mind your business'..
| 946 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:56:55am |
re: #934 MandyManners
Dammit, James Tiberius Kirk. I owe you a noogie and an atomic wedgie.
Add it to the list.
This is why you haven't seen me at any of the Lizardoid secret meetings. I'd be noogied and wedgied to death.
| 947 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:57:09am |
| 948 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:57:31am |
re: #871 Kenneth
BTW, that was awesome. I hope more people watch it. It's hard for you to ever beat the Rainbow Sprinkler Conspiracy vid that you posted this week, but damn.
| 949 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:57:45am |
re: #943 acwgusa
You've got it! Now jettison all but one brain cell, and you too can be part of the new GovZombie program!
Yep! One more thing though. I'd need to catch up on the latest in "sensitivity training."
| 950 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:57:49am |
re: #940 VioletTiger
When I bake bread, using the no-knead method, it takes two days. But it's worth it. It's about 5 minutes of mixing, measuring, shaping, etc. and maybe 20 hours of letting the dough rise.
| 951 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:58:04am |
re: #938 JamesTKirk
*whack whack whack whack whack whack whack*
| 952 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:58:18am |
re: #919 Walter L. Newton
How about just stopping?
re: #920 albusteve
yes, telling people what to do on their private property is a good thing...got it
re: #932 Van Helsing
So everyone else has to deal with YOUR issues? Glad we could help.
re: #935 sattv4u2
How about letting the owner of the bar/ restaurant decide if he/she wants to allow smoking or not?
Yes, they COULD lose business to non-smokers, but that should be their call, not the gov'ts nor the non-smoking publics
Ice... you've not going to get much agreement on this one. How can you even suggest that the government tell private owners of property what they can or can't do with a legal substance?
| 953 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:58:22am |
re: #883 Gus 802
Yes it is expensive, fortunately the company has a network license. I still use Autocad for certain things but Inventor is on a whole nother level. Good luck finding work Gus. btw, I have to lay off one of my guys today - oh joy!
| 954 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:58:31am |
re: #946 JamesTKirk
Add it to the list.
This is why you haven't seen me at any of the Lizardoid secret meetings. I'd be noogied and wedgied to death.
Really? I thought it was since JJ Abrams revamped your Bridge with Apple iProducts, you couldn't find the transporter room anymore!
/Side note, I didn't care for Star Trek: 90210.
| 955 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:58:32am |
re: #911 iceweasel
Believe it or not, this is the reason why I support bans on smoking in bars and restaurants. When I was a non-smoker I didn't care; when I was (briefly) a smoker I wanted the opportunity to smoke in those places...as an exsmoker now, I know the only times that I really have to struggle with the urge to start again is there.
Banning smoking in bars and restaurants is a good policy, IMO, not just because of the secondhandsmoke issue but because it helps smokers to quit and most of all, helps those who have quit to stay quit.
Gotta agree with you, Ice. In small gin mills the smoke made me sick and I hated how my clothes would stink later. However, I do miss smoking a nice cheroot in a place up here called The Assembly. Very high ceilings and great ventilation so any smoke was easily removed.
/such is life
| 956 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:58:51am |
There was a newer Mercedes with an Obama sticker smoking up a storm down the road on the way to work today. It was thick blue smoke, too.
Nice.
| 957 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:58:54am |
I'm one of those rare ex-smokers who is not bothered by the smell of tobacco smoke, unless it is so thick that it burns my eyes. Smelling it doesn't make me want to smoke, nor does it make me sick.
| 958 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:59:12am |
re: #940 VioletTiger
It is becoming a lost art. Not many people do this anymore, but it will be worth it when you pop the jar on a snowy morning.
I bag meal-sized amounts.
| 959 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:59:44am |
re: #952 Walter L. Newton
Ice... you've not going to get much agreement on this one. How can you even suggest that the government tell private owners of property what they can or can't do with a legal substance?
hey!...no foie gras for you
| 960 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:59:47am |
re: #908 Mad Al-Jaffee
Oh. At any rate that SWAT team needs lab sensitivity training imo. ha
| 961 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:59:47am |
re: #949 Gus 802
Yep! One more thing though. I'd need to catch up on the latest in "sensitivity training."
Ugh. Sensitivity Training. I preferred the "Get a thicker damn skin" training.
| 962 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:59:50am |
| 963 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:00:02am |
re: #950 Mad Al-Jaffee
Interesting, where do you let it do the rising? I occassionally bake my own bread as well. Anything that will "save" time is greatly appreciated.
| 964 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:00:17am |
re: #932 Van Helsing
So everyone else has to deal with YOUR issues? Glad we could help.
Oh lighten up, Francis.
I just gave a valid rationale for smoking bans in public places that talks about "the smoker", not someone's desire to tell the smoker what to do, not other people who are annoyed by smoking.
| 965 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:00:28am |
re: #955 Gang of One
Gotta agree with you, Ice. In small gin mills the smoke made me sick and I hated how my clothes would stink later. However, I do miss smoking a nice cheroot in a place up here called The Assembly. Very high ceilings and great ventilation so any smoke was easily removed.
/such is life
elitist
| 966 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:00:35am |
re: #955 Gang of One
Gotta agree with you, Ice. In small gin mills the smoke made me sick and I hated how my clothes would stink later. However, I do miss smoking a nice cheroot in a place up here called The Assembly. Very high ceilings and great ventilation so any smoke was easily removed.
/such is life
If YOU owned the gin mill, ban it
If you DON'T own the gin mill, who are you (or the gov't) to tell the owners they can't allow a LEGAL activity in there, if they want too?
| 967 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:01:15am |
re: #946 JamesTKirk
Add it to the list.
This is why you haven't seen me at any of the Lizardoid secret meetings. I'd be noogied and wedgied to death.
I might also grab you by the ear and give it a good twist.
| 968 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:01:19am |
re: #964 iceweasel
Oh lighten up, Francis.
I just gave a valid rationale for smoking bans in public places that talks about "the smoker", not someone's desire to tell the smoker what to do, not other people who are annoyed by smoking.
spinblab...won't fly
| 969 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:01:22am |
re: #966 sattv4u2
If YOU owned the gin mill, ban it
If you DON'T own the gin mill, who are you (or the gov't) to tell the owners they can't allow a LEGAL activity in there, if they want too?
or...you could just go to another place to drink...
| 970 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:01:33am |
re: #954 acwgusa
Really? I thought it was since JJ Abrams revamped your Bridge with Apple iProducts, you couldn't find the transporter room anymore!
/Side note, I didn't care for Star Trek: 90210.
I thought it was pretty good, but it's not in the same class as, say, "The Wrath of Khaaann!!!"
| 971 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:01:40am |
re: #957 redstateredneck
I'm one of those rare ex-smokers who is not bothered by the smell of tobacco smoke, unless it is so thick that it burns my eyes. Smelling it doesn't make me want to smoke, nor does it make me sick.
I'm "rare" with you
| 972 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:01:50am |
re: #955 Gang of One
Gotta agree with you, Ice. In small gin mills the smoke made me sick and I hated how my clothes would stink later. However, I do miss smoking a nice cheroot in a place up here called The Assembly. Very high ceilings and great ventilation so any smoke was easily removed.
/such is life
You don't want to smell it, you don't want to smell it on your clothes, hey, go somewhere else. Which gin mill owes you entrance? You have to be kidding?
| 973 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:02:05am |
re: #961 acwgusa
Ugh. Sensitivity Training. I preferred the "Get a thicker damn skin" training.
Like I always used to say to this ancient architect I used to work for: it'll only get worse.
"Good morning Cynthia, uh nice sweater yeah, nice day huh?"
/
| 974 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:02:21am |
| 975 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:02:46am |
I wonder if BHO will be Jonesen for a heater while he's having his beer.
| 976 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:02:47am |
| 977 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:02:53am |
re: #969 Charpete67
or...you could just go to another place to drink...
or you could just hold your breath.
;-)
| 978 |
ladycatnip Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:02:55am |
#916 victor_yugo
Our votes don't count, when ACORN does the counting.
That goes with this little gem of a quote:
Joseph Stalin said "He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything."
| 979 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:02:59am |
re: #964 iceweasel
Oh lighten up, Francis.
I just gave a valid rationale for smoking bans in public places that talks about "the smoker", not someone's desire to tell the smoker what to do, not other people who are annoyed by smoking.
No, it wasn't valid, and you never answered anyones inquiry about your "valid" rationale.
Why do I have to "help" a smoker quit?
| 980 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:03:07am |
re: #923 Charpete67
Mickey's big mouth beer?
If I was Crowley, I'd ask for Colt45 in a brown paper bag.
haha, that's racial profiling 67. That's pretty bad beer too, haven't had one of those since high school. Schlitz malt too.
| 981 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:03:09am |
Speaking of beer - this is kinda funny. We've had so much rain this season the slugs are out full force eating my vegetation and flowers. A friend told me to place flat beer in a tuna can to attract the slimy little suckers. They fall in the beer and drown. It works!
But we also have skunks and raccoons. In the morning I go out and see how many slugs have fallen in the beer. Usually I count at least 3 or 4 slugs in there -- But many mornings the cans are empty.
I suspect the skunk or the raccoon. *yum* - nothing like flat dirty beer with a slug chaser.
| 982 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:03:13am |
| 983 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:03:15am |
| 984 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:03:30am |
re: #950 Mad Al-Jaffee
When I bake bread, using the no-knead method, it takes two days. But it's worth it. It's about 5 minutes of mixing, measuring, shaping, etc. and maybe 20 hours of letting the dough rise.
20 hours?
You must have patience.
My bread is not up to par, however. I will practice this winter.
| 985 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:03:57am |
re: #967 MandyManners
I might also grab you by the ear and give it a good twist.
Great. You'll make me look like my first officer.
| 986 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:04:06am |
re: #936 Creeping Eruption
GrainBelt lite has to be the worst beer ever made. You could probably get a keg for $12.95
Never heard of that beer CE, where is it sold?
| 987 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:04:29am |
re: #981 FrogMarch
Speaking of beer - this is kinda funny. We've had so much rain this season the slugs are out full force eating my vegetation and flowers. A friend told me to place flat beer in a tuna can to attract the slimy little suckers. They fall in the beer and drown. It works!
But we also have skunks and raccoons. In the morning I go out and see how many slugs have fallen in the beer. Usually I count at least 3 or 4 slugs in there -- But many mornings the cans are empty.
I suspect the skunk or the raccoon. *yum* - nothing like flat dirty beer with a slug chaser.
And let me warn you, there is no way you want a drunk raccoon hanging around your property. I had a pet raccoon and it got into a bottle of beer once, and it wasn't pretty.
| 988 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:04:33am |
re: #952 Walter L. Newton
Ice... you've not going to get much agreement on this one. How can you even suggest that the government tell private owners of property what they can or can't do with a legal substance?
But Walter...I didn't say "we should ban smoking in bars and restaurants".
I merely pointed out one good reason for doing so and one I never see mentioned-- namely, a reason that acknowledges that smokers and ex-smokers really like/want to smoke when drinking or after eating.
That is pretty uncontroversial. If you're trying to quit, or you have quit, that is (for most people) the time when they most miss one.
| 989 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:05:04am |
| 990 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:05:28am |
re: #963 BlueCanuck
Interesting, where do you let it do the rising? I occassionally bake my own bread as well. Anything that will "save" time is greatly appreciated.
You mix all of the ingredients (I use 3 lbs of white flour, 2 teaspoons of salt, 1/4 teaspoon of yeat and 1/2 cups water) in a bowl, cover it with plastic and let it sit overnight.
More details here, and you can find all kinds or articles and videos about it:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
| 991 |
saylorfam Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:06:04am |
Really sorryyo to post this. Reverend Ike's Cadillacs are NOW running on prayers!
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
| 992 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:06:06am |
re: #979 Walter L. Newton
No, it wasn't valid, and you never answered anyones inquiry about your "valid" rationale.
Why do I have to "help" a smoker quit?
I did answer you, before I saw this post. Hope it helps.
PS yes, it was valid.
| 993 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:06:11am |
re: #964 iceweasel
Oh lighten up, Francis.
I just gave a valid rationale for smoking bans in public places that talks about "the smoker", not someone's desire to tell the smoker what to do, not other people who are annoyed by smoking.
"I don't want to be tempted to start smoking again, so you, the bar owner, must protect me from myself at the inconvenience of anyone in here that would like to smoke"
OoookkkaaayyyY!
| 994 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:06:43am |
re: #981 FrogMarch
Speaking of beer - this is kinda funny. We've had so much rain this season the slugs are out full force eating my vegetation and flowers. A friend told me to place flat beer in a tuna can to attract the slimy little suckers. They fall in the beer and drown. It works!
But we also have skunks and raccoons. In the morning I go out and see how many slugs have fallen in the beer. Usually I count at least 3 or 4 slugs in there -- But many mornings the cans are empty.
I suspect the skunk or the raccoon. *yum* - nothing like flat dirty beer with a slug chaser.
Drunk as a skunk?
| 995 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:06:45am |
re: #970 JamesTKirk
I thought it was pretty good, but it's not in the same class as, say, "The Wrath of Khaaann!!!"
I think it was the iBridge that threw me. That and "Engineering". I preferred the bridge from Star Trek 6, for an old school Enterprise Bridge.
But I grew up with Star Trek: The Next Generation. As I have said before, though, Kirk got royally screwed in Generations. You don't mess with James T. Kirk.
| 996 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:07:10am |
re: #988 iceweasel
But Walter...I didn't say "we should ban smoking in bars and restaurants".
I merely pointed out one good reason for doing so and one I never see mentioned-- namely, a reason that acknowledges that smokers and ex-smokers really like/want to smoke when drinking or after eating.That is pretty uncontroversial. If you're trying to quit, or you have quit, that is (for most people) the time when they most miss one.
Ok, got that part, I never find a good reason for the Feds to tell me what I can or can't do with property that I own. At what point will they tell me I can't have people in my house that smoke? It will happen.
No, I really don't think it is a good reason, period. If someone wants to stop smoking, stop, simple.
| 997 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:07:17am |
re: #979 Walter L. Newton
No, it wasn't valid, and you never answered anyones inquiry about your "valid" rationale.
Why do I have to "help" a smoker quit?
...hope and change...
| 998 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:07:52am |
re: #988 iceweasel
But Walter...I didn't say "we should ban smoking in bars and restaurants".
I merely pointed out one good reason for doing so and one I never see mentioned-- namely, a reason that acknowledges that smokers and ex-smokers really like/want to smoke when drinking or after eating.That is pretty uncontroversial. If you're trying to quit, or you have quit, that is (for most people) the time when they most miss one.
#911..."I support bans on smoking in bars...etc"
| 999 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:08:01am |
re: #987 Walter L. Newton
And let me warn you, there is no way you want a drunk raccoon hanging around your property. I had a pet raccoon and it got into a bottle of beer once, and it wasn't pretty.
I'm not keen on a drunk skunk either.
| 1000 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:08:03am |
| 1001 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:08:09am |
re: #984 VioletTiger
20 hours?
You must have patience.
My bread is not up to par, however. I will practice this winter.
I do, and I just mix it and let it sit overnight. Then I bake it the next day or night. As long as you plan it a day ahead, it's really not that long a wait.
| 1002 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:08:27am |
re: #998 albusteve
#911..."I support bans on smoking in bars...etc"
I know, I was just going to point that out.
| 1003 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:09:15am |
Did you hear that Crowley is bringing his attorney and the head of the police union to the beer summit?
| 1004 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:09:20am |
re: #995 acwgusa
But I grew up with Star Trek: The Next Generation.
I'm so sorry.As I have said before, though, Kirk got royally screwed in Generations. You don't mess with James T. Kirk.
"Star Trek: First Contact" is the only one of the Next Generation movies which bears rewatching, and is the only one I have on DVD. (Used to have them all on VHS, but gave them away.)
| 1005 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:09:23am |
Simple solution to the smoking/non-smoking matter: Put a sign on the door, indicating either that smoking is permitted or not. Leave the choices to the owners and patrons.
| 1006 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:09:28am |
re: #996 Walter L. Newton
God protect us from the nanny state. In some areas up here they are talking about banning people from smoking in cars with children, or vehicles that carry children in them. The camel no longer has it's nose in the tent. It's got half it's body there as well. Worse part is that all sorts of anti-smoking regulations are super tough for most people to deal with.
| 1007 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:09:30am |
re: #994 VioletTiger
Drunk as a skunk?
Yes. It just goes to show when you attract one bugger- you get another.
Oh well.
| 1008 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:09:41am |
re: #988 iceweasel
But Walter...I didn't say "we should ban smoking in bars and restaurants".
I merely pointed out one good reason for doing so and one I never see mentioned-- namely, a reason that acknowledges that smokers and ex-smokers really like/want to smoke when drinking or after eating.That is pretty uncontroversial. If you're trying to quit, or you have quit, that is (for most people) the time when they most miss one.
Yes you did.
| 1009 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:09:53am |
re: #996 Walter L. Newton
Ok, got that part, I never find a good reason for the Feds to tell me what I can or can't do with property that I own. At what point will they tell me I can't have people in my house that smoke? It will happen.
No, I really don't think it is a good reason, period. If someone wants to stop smoking, stop, simple.
too late!
[Link: www.startribune.com...]
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 1010 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:10:03am |
| 1011 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:10:26am |
Change. That's what O's bringing us, all right...
The first Beer Summit.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
It's so cool that he's tackling the really important issues facing this country head on.
| 1012 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:10:37am |
Ban smoking.
Ban wood burning fireplaces.
Ban charcoal barbecuing.
Ban cologne.
Ban meat odors.
Coming to a Progressive City near you.
//
| 1013 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:10:50am |
| 1014 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:11:05am |
My final word (for now) on alternative medicine hokum:
If someone tells you thousands of dollars' worth of sticking needles in your ass can help with your thyroid imbalance or your keratosis or your old dog's bladder control problem, smack them, HARD. Then ask if acupuncture can help with aggressive reactions to lying bullshit.
| 1016 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:11:44am |
re: #953 turn
btw, I have to lay off one of my guys today - oh joy!
Hey {turn}. Why the lay off? if I may be so bold to ask.
| 1017 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:11:53am |
re: #1003 Charpete67
Did you hear that Crowley is bringing his attorney and the head of the police union to the beer summit?
I heard that early this morning on Fox, but I can't find it in writing anywhere.
| 1018 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:11:54am |
re: #996 Walter L. Newton
At what point will they tell me I can't have people in my house that smoke? It will happen.
It will start for those who have children, "Think of the children!!" being the battle cry at the start of the slippery slope.
| 1019 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:12:15am |
| 1020 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:12:21am |
re: #996 Walter L. Newton
Ok, got that part, I never find a good reason for the Feds to tell me what I can or can't do with property that I own. At what point will they tell me I can't have people in my house that smoke? It will happen.
No, I really don't think it is a good reason, period. If someone wants to stop smoking, stop, simple.
We disagree. It really isn't that simple to stop smoking. Ask the many people here who are smokers and would like to quit, but can't. Or the many who have familymembers who know they should quit, but can't.
I support all efforts that help smokers to quit, if they would like to quit. I don't support telling people what to do, or making decisions for them, or government telling people what to do. I don't even like the idea of small businessowners being forced to obey laws about this.
I'm making a personal observation that a ban on it in those places can help people quit and not start again. That's all.
| 1021 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:12:28am |
re: #1018 JamesTKirk
It will start for those who have children, "Think of the children!!" being the battle cry at the start of the slippery slope.
Always. Ding.
| 1022 |
Kronocide Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:12:30am |
re: #953 turn
I have to lay off one of my guys today - oh joy!
Never a good time. We might have to drop the hatchet once or twice more, but I think we'll make it through with the core team and be ready for the other side. It's so hard to find real dedicated talent and I have a really good crew right now, I worry about losing them after what I went through to get them.
| 1023 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:12:35am |
| 1024 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:12:39am |
re: #1003 Charpete67
No, but I heard he was bringing his family.
Not a bad idea for him to lawyer up, though...because unless TOTUS can talk/bribe him out of it, you just know that Gates has a civil suit all ready to go.
| 1025 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:12:50am |
re: #1017 VioletTiger
I heard that early this morning on Fox, but I can't find it in writing anywhere.
...gotta believe that the city is still worried about Gates suing and I'm sure Crowley doesn't want to be used.
| 1026 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:12:53am |
re: #1018 JamesTKirk
It's already happening across the country with no/limited smoking condo or coop rules.
| 1027 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:13:58am |
re: #1014 Cato the Elder
My final word (for now) on alternative medicine hokum:
If someone tells you thousands of dollars' worth of sticking needles in your ass can help with your thyroid imbalance or your keratosis or your old dog's bladder control problem, smack them, HARD.
How about sticking thousands of needles in THEIR ass and telling them it will help them with their bullshit? :)
| 1028 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:14:10am |
Just a shitty movie that I dearly love.
"The Three Amigos" is on.
| 1029 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:14:13am |
| 1030 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:14:13am |
re: #1004 JamesTKirk
"Star Trek: First Contact" is the only one of the Next Generation movies which bears rewatching, and is the only one I have on DVD. (Used to have them all on VHS, but gave them away.)
I wouldn't feel sorry, I like TNG. I can't abide TNG "fans" who deride Kirk and crew though.
| 1031 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:14:28am |
re: #991 saylorfam
Really sorryyo to post this. Reverend Ike's Cadillacs are NOW running on prayers!
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Will he be buried in a Cadillac coffin?
| 1032 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:14:31am |
re: #1026 lawhawk
It's already happening across the country with no/limited smoking condo or coop rules.
And I'm not allowed to have a meth lab in my basement anymore! What's up with that??
| 1033 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:14:52am |
re: #1007 FrogMarch
Yes. It just goes to show when you attract one bugger- you get another.
Oh well.
I wonder if their shunk buddies dare them to eat the slug (aka worm in the tequila)?
| 1034 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:15:20am |
re: #1020 iceweasel
We disagree. It really isn't that simple to stop smoking. Ask the many people here who are smokers and would like to quit, but can't. Or the many who have familymembers who know they should quit, but can't.
I support all efforts that help smokers to quit, if they would like to quit. I don't support telling people what to do, or making decisions for them, or government telling people what to do. I don't even like the idea of small businessowners being forced to obey laws about this.
I'm making a personal observation that a ban on it in those places can help people quit and not start again. That's all.
it's not about stop smoking...it's about your statement that you support the govt telling what you can or cannot do on private property...intrusion into my personal liberties by high minded liberals is unAmerican
| 1035 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:15:39am |
re: #1026 lawhawk
It's already happening across the country with no/limited smoking condo or coop rules.
Give a couple of decades and they'll add 2nd Hand Meat to the list.
| 1036 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:15:47am |
re: #1020 iceweasel
We disagree. It really isn't that simple to stop smoking. Ask the many people here who are smokers and would like to quit, but can't. Or the many who have familymembers who know they should quit, but can't.
I support all efforts that help smokers to quit, if they would like to quit. I don't support telling people what to do, or making decisions for them, or government telling people what to do. I don't even like the idea of small businessowners being forced to obey laws about this.
I'm making a personal observation that a ban on it in those places can help people quit and not start again. That's all.
Interesting points, and if the policy were indeed to make them quit, there's absolutely no way anyone should ever link the taxes imposed on tobacco products and health care, precisely because the revenues will decline as more people quit - it's diminishing returns, and yet all too many states have done just that.
| 1037 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:15:49am |
re: #1007 FrogMarch
Yes. It just goes to show when you attract one bugger- you get another.
Is that what happened to San Francisco?
| 1038 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:16:13am |
re: #1018 JamesTKirk
It will start for those who have children, "Think of the children!!" being the battle cry at the start of the slippery slope.
Hmmm, maybe we could turn that one around. You know, use your enemy's energies against him.
"Think of the children and the poor health care they'll be forced to endure!"
| 1039 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:16:22am |
re: #1037 JamesTKirk
Is that what happened to San Francisco?
There's a really bad Up Your Alley joke there, but I won't make it.
| 1040 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:16:55am |
Unstable? S.C. man on probation for horse sex has sex with same horse again
He's a repeat sex offender - who should be registered with the Humane Society.
A South Carolina man was busted for having sex with a horse, while on probation for having sex with the same horse.
Rodell Vereen, 50, was arrested Monday night in the throes of bestiality by the filly's shotgun-toting owner, who also has video surveillance of the perverse act.
"When they arrested him before I thought that was the end of it," said Barbara Kenley, who caught Vereen in the middle of his romp in the hay with her 21-year-old horse, Sugar.
Vereen was charged with buggery and tresspassing, and was held on $10,000 bail.
"Hopefully he won't get out," said Kenley, owner of the Lazy B Stables in Conway, S.C. "My goal is to get him away from me and my property."
Ewww.
| 1041 |
avanti Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:16:58am |
re: #955 Gang of One
Gotta agree with you, Ice. In small gin mills the smoke made me sick and I hated how my clothes would stink later. However, I do miss smoking a nice cheroot in a place up here called The Assembly. Very high ceilings and great ventilation so any smoke was easily removed.
/such is life
Morning Lizards. I would agree most anywhere but a casino. They tried banning smoking in Atlantic City but it hurt the bottom line too much. Smoking/gambling/drinking are all vices that go together, and the casinos have great ventilation systems. I'm kind of in the middle on laws that try to protect us from ourselves. For example, I oppose seat belt laws on a freedom of choice issue, but support it because it does save lives, the same with helmet laws.
We have a constitutional right to risk our lives, but a case could be made that some restrictions are in the public interest. As you can see, I'm confused on the issue.
| 1042 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:17:04am |
re: #989 redstateredneck
Ewww. Flashback of first hangover.
Red I updinged you for bringing back unpleasant memories if you can believe that. Hey, how many people got whacked on the nirther thread yesterday?
| 1043 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:17:06am |
re: #1024 tradewind
I would love to see a civil suit by Gates. Even in Cambridge, MA he'd have a hell of a time convincing a jury that three police officers and all those witnesses were lying.
I did catch a snippet of Gates yelling at the cops. Guess that "bronchial infection" that made it impossible for him to raise his voice was just one more lie on top of a career made of them.
| 1044 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:17:18am |
re: #1003 Charpete67
Did you hear that Crowley is bringing his attorney and the head of the police union to the beer summit?
Linky?
| 1045 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:17:30am |
re: #1034 albusteve
it's not about stop smoking...it's about your statement that you support the govt telling what you can or cannot do on private property...intrusion into my personal liberties by high minded liberals is unAmerican
Bullshit. I never said "I support the govt telling us what to do!" and I specifically said I did not support that.
| 1046 |
DaddyG Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:17:53am |
re: #951 MandyManners
*whack whack whack whack whack whack whack*
Anything more than 3 *whacks* and you are getting into deviant behaviors.
| 1047 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:17:59am |
re: #986 turn
Never heard of that beer CE, where is it sold?
I haven't had it since I was in college. I believe it was/is made in Minnesota. Where it is distributed, I have no idea. I used to get in Madison, WI. Very, very cheap. Its the kind of beer you can buy after pulling a few coin out of your couch.
| 1048 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:18:12am |
re: #1040 NJDhockeyfan
Unstable? S.C. man on probation for horse sex has sex with same horse again
Ewww.
Yes, you'd think he wouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. Or pick a horse of a different color. He couldn't resist, the horse was a stallion.
| 1049 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:18:13am |
re: #985 JamesTKirk
Great. You'll make me look like my first officer.
[Link: www.ex-astris-scientia.org...]
Linky no worky.
| 1050 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:18:26am |
re: #1036 lawhawk
Interesting points, and if the policy were indeed to make them quit, there's absolutely no way anyone should ever link the taxes imposed on tobacco products and health care, precisely because the revenues will decline as more people quit - it's diminishing returns, and yet all too many states have done just that.
Remember Bill Clinton encouraging people to go out and buy cigarettes in one of his weekly radio browbeatings?
| 1051 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:18:37am |
re: #1040 NJDhockeyfan
Didn't know buggery was a real word, much less an offense.
Oh, and sick fuck.
| 1052 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:18:47am |
re: #1020 iceweasel
We disagree. It really isn't that simple to stop smoking. Ask the many people here who are smokers and would like to quit, but can't. Or the many who have familymembers who know they should quit, but can't.
I support all efforts that help smokers to quit, if they would like to quit. I don't support telling people what to do, or making decisions for them, or government telling people what to do. I don't even like the idea of small businessowners being forced to obey laws about this.
I'm making a personal observation that a ban on it in those places can help people quit and not start again. That's all.
What next, putting people into institutions without their consent for weigh loss? A few work camps for unproductive drunks?
I smoked since I was 16. I was a three pack a day smoker. On Aug. 16th 2008 I stopped, cold, and I haven't had a single drag of any tobacco.
But I am not comparing my case with other people. But there is no way I am going to let the government tell me what I can or cannot do with my body.
As long as tobacco is a legal substance, I will put it in my mouth and smoke it if I want to, no more or less than you can put what you want into your body and you don't want the government telling you what to do with the fetus that results.
| 1053 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:18:49am |
re: #965 albusteve
elitist
Moi?
re: #966 sattv4u2
If YOU owned the gin mill, ban it
If you DON'T own the gin mill, who are you (or the gov't) to tell the owners they can't allow a LEGAL activity in there, if they want too?
Not agreeing with the ban. Just relieved that I don't have to breathe in the smoke all the while during drinking -- and yes, I understand that if I enjoyed a cigar inside, others have the right to enjoy their cigarettes inside as well. There is a point where smoke filled rooms are not pleasant. In those cases, I could and would leave.
re: #972 Walter L. Newton
You don't want to smell it, you don't want to smell it on your clothes, hey, go somewhere else. Which gin mill owes you entrance? You have to be kidding?
No gin mill owes me entrance. No gin mill owes me clean air. As I said, I enjoy the smoke-free atmosphere, and the smokers [including myself when I want a cigar] can go outside. As I mentioned upthread, there is a place I still go to where I could enjoy a cigar and I was not happy about the ban. It is a bit of a conundrum for me to actually resent the ban yet be grateful for the absence of lots of acrid smoke. I'm human.
| 1054 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:19:18am |
re: #996 Walter L. Newton
Ok, got that part, I never find a good reason for the Feds to tell me what I can or can't do with property that I own. At what point will they tell me I can't have people in my house that smoke? It will happen.
No, I really don't think it is a good reason, period. If someone wants to stop smoking, stop, simple.
I've heard bits here and there that some states are trying to do so in apartments.
| 1055 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:19:22am |
re: #1045 iceweasel
Bullshit. I never said "I support the govt telling us what to do!" and I specifically said I did not support that.
you support bans on smoking in bars...you just mince words...do you support motorcycle helmet laws?
| 1056 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:19:28am |
re: #1046 DaddyG
Anything more than 3 *whacks* and you are getting into deviant behaviors.
| 1057 |
karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:19:50am |
Hello all -
Just saw this and thought I'd post it.
While I an others here often find ourselves criticizing the Republican Party for doing stupid things to harm itself, it appears Democrats are now getting in the game. In a big way.
What could be a fatter target for culture wars than sending out "stimulus" cash to LGBT art houses such as the one that made (what they themselves term) : "the world's only underground kinky art porno horror film, complete with four men, three women and a gorilla."
While I really couldn't give a damned about what they make or exhibit, the idea of using money borrowed from future generations to pay for it is a bit objectionable. Especially as we are continuously told that nothing in government can be cut because people receiving government services are in desperate need of them.
And that could be true in this case too - perhaps such films can't be made with private money, but there is a whole industry in San Fernando Valley that would take issue that assertion.
| 1058 |
DaddyG Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:20:06am |
re: #1035 Gus 802
Give a couple of decades and they'll add 2nd Hand Meat to the list.
2nd hand meat has a much higher incidence of sexually transmitted diseases.
| 1059 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:20:19am |
re: #1044 midwestgak
Linky?
..been looking and can't find it. I heard it on Fox satellite radio a minute ago.
I also found this tidbit from a Fox news wire when I was searching:
"From Fox: Professor Gates says he expects an apology from Sgt. Crowley at the White House Beer Summit."
| 1060 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:20:24am |
re: #950 Mad Al-Jaffee
When I bake bread, using the no-knead method, it takes two days. But it's worth it. It's about 5 minutes of mixing, measuring, shaping, etc. and maybe 20 hours of letting the dough rise.
Using a poolish? Make Ciabbatta or something else?
| 1061 |
Kronocide Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:20:26am |
re: #1040 NJDhockeyfan
He has a thing for that little philly.
| 1062 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:20:26am |
| 1063 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:20:37am |
re: #1006 BlueCanuck
God protect us from the nanny state. In some areas up here they are talking about banning people from smoking in cars with children, or vehicles that carry children in them. The camel no longer has it's nose in the tent. It's got half it's body there as well. Worse part is that all sorts of anti-smoking regulations are super tough for most people to deal with.
I've heard of it happening in custody cases.
| 1064 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:21:06am |
re: #1045 iceweasel
Bullshit. I never said "I support the govt telling us what to do!" and I specifically said I did not support that.
From your #911
this is the reason why I support bans on smoking in bars and restaurants.
Who would impose these bans, if not the gov't?
| 1065 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:21:21am |
re: #1036 lawhawk
Interesting points, and if the policy were indeed to make them quit, there's absolutely no way anyone should ever link the taxes imposed on tobacco products and health care, precisely because the revenues will decline as more people quit - it's diminishing returns, and yet all too many states have done just that.
Same with a proposed tax on soda, or unhealthy foods-- if that tax revenue goes to health care, there's almost a disincentive built into the system, about promoting policies designed to make people quit.
Interesting points. Kind of like a catch 22, no?
| 1066 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:21:25am |
re: #1059 Charpete67
..been looking and can't find it. I heard it on Fox satellite radio a minute ago.
I also found this tidbit from a Fox news wire when I was searching:
"From Fox: Professor Gates says he expects an apology from Sgt. Crowley at the White House Beer Summit."
FOX...stirring the pot...should boost their after party round up eh?...spit
| 1067 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:21:35am |
re: #1010 JamesTKirk
Blocked by my workplace filter.
I feel unloved.
Send it to your home computer for tonight. It's worth it.
| 1068 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:21:42am |
re: #1055 albusteve
you support bans on smoking in bars...you just mince words...do you support motorcycle helmet laws?
There's more!
Bicycle Helmet Laws
Skiing Helmet Laws
Roller Blading Helmet Laws
Baseball Helmet Laws
Skating Helmet Laws
Think of the health care costs savings to "the collective."
//
| 1069 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:22:03am |
re: #1041 avanti
We have a constitutional right to risk our lives, but a case could be made that some restrictions are in the public interest.
Each has the right to fuck up his own life. Nobody has the right to fuck up someone else's life, and others have the right to defend themselves against those who would.
| 1070 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:22:17am |
re: #1058 DaddyG
2nd hand meat has a much higher incidence of sexually transmitted diseases.
Quick! Get Zombie on the phone! /
| 1071 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:22:50am |
re: #1059 Charpete67
I obviously don't know Crowley personally but, judging by his statements since Gates and Obama essentially accused him of being a stupid racist, I would be highly surprised if he apologized to either of them. Highly disappointed, too.
| 1072 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:22:57am |
re: #1018 JamesTKirk
It will start for those who have children, "Think of the children!!" being the battle cry at the start of the slippery slope.
Just wait until kids are encourage to rat out their parents in school.
Oh, wait. It's already happening through DARE.
| 1073 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:23:13am |
re: #1041 avanti
hahaha, that made me laugh avanti. Are you as confused about taxing junk foods in an attempt to curb obesity?
| 1074 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:23:41am |
re: #1051 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Didn't know buggery was a real word, much less an offense.
Oh, and sick fuck.
He wasnre: #1048 acwgusa
Yes, you'd think he wouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. Or pick a horse of a different color. He couldn't resist, the horse was a stallion.
And since he didn't take precautions against infection, he caught a little colt.
| 1075 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:23:46am |
re: #1068 Gus 802
There's more!
Bicycle Helmet Laws
Skiing Helmet Laws
Roller Blading Helmet Laws
Baseball Helmet Laws
Skating Helmet LawsThink of the health care costs savings to "the collective."
//
there is no motorcycle helmet law in NM...the fine for no seatbelt is up to $175 I believe...liberals from top to bottom out here...the irony is almost laughable
| 1076 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:23:56am |
re: #1025 Charpete67
...gotta believe that the city is still worried about Gates suing and I'm sure Crowley doesn't want to be used.
That little fucker should be hoping Crowley doesn't sue for libel.
| 1077 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:23:59am |
re: #1053 Gang of One
No gin mill owes me entrance. No gin mill owes me clean air. As I said, I enjoy the smoke-free atmosphere, and the smokers [including myself when I want a cigar] can go outside. As I mentioned upthread, there is a place I still go to where I could enjoy a cigar and I was not happy about the ban. It is a bit of a conundrum for me to actually resent the ban yet be grateful for the absence of lots of acrid smoke. I'm human.
So, you want to have it both ways, and other people's rights be damned?
| 1078 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:24:04am |
re: #1073 turn
hahaha, that made me laugh avanti. Are you as confused about taxing junk foods in an attempt to curb obesity?
Taxing junk foods will only result in making the Federal government more obese.
True story.
| 1079 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:24:04am |
re: #1064 sattv4u2
From your #911
this is the reason why I support bans on smoking in bars and restaurants.Who would impose these bans, if not the gov't?
Oh, good one satt.
| 1080 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:24:09am |
re: #1036 lawhawk
Interesting points, and if the policy were indeed to make them quit, there's absolutely no way anyone should ever link the taxes imposed on tobacco products and health care, precisely because the revenues will decline as more people quit - it's diminishing returns, and yet all too many states have done just that.
I will be interested to see how many more 'sin taxes' we get--soda, Twinkies, chips.
| 1081 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:24:22am |
re: #1058 DaddyG
2nd hand meat has a much higher incidence of sexually transmitted diseases.
From your right hand to your left?
| 1082 |
Van Helsing Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:24:34am |
re: #964 iceweasel
Oh lighten up, Francis.
I just gave a valid rationale for smoking bans in public places that talks about "the smoker", not someone's desire to tell the smoker what to do, not other people who are annoyed by smoking.
I'm more interested in the government telling a private property owner that the use a legal substance is no longer allowed.
Don't like smoke? I'm sure someone will cater to it.
| 1083 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:24:45am |
re: #1074 JamesTKirk
And since he didn't take precautions against infection, he caught a little colt.
Gives Equestrian a new meaning, doesn't it?
| 1084 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:25:06am |
re: #1075 albusteve
there is no motorcycle helmet law in NM...the fine for no seatbelt is up to $175 I believe...liberals from top to bottom out here...the irony is almost laughable
Yeah, seat belt law but no motorcycle helmet law. Seems logical doesn't it? ;)
| 1085 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:25:41am |
re: #1041 avanti
Morning Lizards. I would agree most anywhere but a casino. They tried banning smoking in Atlantic City but it hurt the bottom line too much. Smoking/gambling/drinking are all vices that go together, and the casinos have great ventilation systems. I'm kind of in the middle on laws that try to protect us from ourselves. For example, I oppose seat belt laws on a freedom of choice issue, but support it because it does save lives, the same with helmet laws.
We have a constitutional right to risk our lives, but a case could be made that some restrictions are in the public interest. As you can see, I'm confused on the issue.
You forgot prostitution!
| 1086 |
That's Mr. President to you Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:25:51am |
Memo to self:
Re: This evening with Prof. Gates and that white cop.
Racial tensions and alcohol - how can that go wrong?
| 1087 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:25:55am |
As I reread Ice's #911, I see that my post #955 says clearly that I agree with it. I later say I was never in favor of the ban. At the risk of sounding like a back-pedaling ass, I actually wanted to make my thoughts known about the absence of smoke in the room.
I apologize for my lack of wits.
| 1088 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:26:03am |
re: #1065 iceweasel
Indeed, it's a catch-22, but one that the left routinely ignores in the pursuit of tax and spend. It also ignores personal choice and responsibility. Soda taxes are just plain silly. Why should I get hammered for drinking soda daily, when I weigh just as much as I did in high school (20 years later at that - and much to the consternation of my wife). How is it that I'm not obese? Oh wait - diet and exercise? Except that my diet is one that basically is mostly portion control (I eat pretty much anything just in moderation), and exercise is mostly walking briskly to and from work every day.
You know - things that are so much common sense that they've been ignored by the nanny staters in favor of directly injecting themselves into every aspect of your life via taxation and rules and regulations.
| 1089 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:26:07am |
| 1090 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:26:24am |
re: #1085 MandyManners
You forgot prostitution!
But obviously, you didn't.
Things that make you go, "Hmmm..."
| 1091 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:26:30am |
re: #1046 DaddyG
Anything more than 3 *whacks* and you are getting into deviant behaviors.
Ain't no more deviant that Kirk's "tantric tomatoes".
| 1092 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:26:53am |
re: #1080 VioletTiger
How many can you think of? Then add to that.
| 1093 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:27:16am |
| 1094 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:27:28am |
re: #1052 Walter L. Newton
What next, putting people into institutions without their consent for weigh loss? A few work camps for unproductive drunks?
.
Telling people they can't smoke in certain places is hardly the equivalent of sending them to a reeducation camp and forcing them to quit.
Let's pretend that you're someone who never wears pants. (Are you?)
Telling you that you have to wear pants for the two hours or so that you are in a restaurant or bar is hardly an infringement on your right to be a pantless-American. :)
| 1095 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:27:37am |
re: #1076 MandyManners
That little fucker should be hoping Crowley doesn't sue for libel.
I really think this has a good chance of blowing up in O's face. There's no way Gates will apologize. Whether or not Crowley does is irrelevant...although, I can't believe his lawyer would let him since that might be construed as an admission of guilt.
| 1096 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:27:43am |
re: #1075 albusteve
there is no motorcycle helmet law in NM...the fine for no seatbelt is up to $175 I believe...liberals from top to bottom out here...the irony is almost laughable
The irony is, they scream about "not telling me what I can do with my body," mostly in reference to abortion, but, they have no problem passing laws that try to tell me what I can do with my body with a legal substance. Sorry, can't have it both ways.
| 1097 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:27:45am |
re: #1060 Creeping Eruption
Using a poolish? Make Ciabbatta or something else?
Usually plain white bread (and no I'm not RACIST!) But it's a basic dough you can use for all kinds of recipes.
I posted a recipe link upthread. Do a search on "no knead bread" and you'll get lots of recipes, discussions, videos, etc.
| 1098 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:27:46am |
re: #1047 Creeping Eruption
I haven't had it since I was in college. I believe it was/is made in Minnesota. Where it is distributed, I have no idea. I used to get in Madison, WI. Very, very cheap. Its the kind of beer you can buy after pulling a few coin out of your couch.
haha, the turnwife and I used to do that when we first shacked up. We would scrounge and buy a twelve pack of Lucky beer for $1.99. The tops had these picture puzzles that were fun too. Man those were the days, total income $125 per month and rent was $129 per month. Thank god for dad's freezer.
| 1099 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:28:07am |
This is a very brave woman.
Sudanese woman risks flogging over 'indecent' trousers
A woman journalist is taking on the feared Sudanese morality police to challenge the country’s draconian laws on public dress, insisting on being tried for the crime of wearing trousers in public and risking a punishment of 40 lashes.
Lubna Ahmed al-Hussein was at a private party in a restaurant in an upmarket district of Khartoum on July 3 when a group of public order policemen — given the task of enforcing strict Islamic rectitude — burst in. They detained her and a dozen other women for wearing trousers, considered indecent according to the law.
...Ms Hussein, who is also a public information officer for the United Nations Mission in Sudan, turned up to court yesterday expecting to be fined up to 250 Sudanese pounds (£64) and sentenced to 40 lashes. Instead, she was told that her status as a UN employee granted her immunity from the flogging. She promptly quit and demanded that the case carry on.
“I wish to resign from the UN. I wish this court case to continue,” she told Judge Mudathir Rashid and a packed courtroom. The judge adjourned the case until Tuesday.
...At the time of her arrest Ms Hussein was wearing long, loose dark green trousers, a colourful thigh-length shirt and a patterned green hijab or Islamic headscarf. She wore the same outfit to her court appearance yesterday. Apparently determined to extract maximum publicity, Ms Hussein said that she had invited 500 supporters and journalists to the trial, to raise awareness of “dozens, hundreds, and maybe thousands flogged in public order courts because of their dress, day after day, month after month, and year after year”.
| 1100 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:28:09am |
Provincial Liberals here proposed a "Fast Food" tax. A lot of fast food restaruants have meals that are under the $4 dollar tax rate. Essentially they were talking about lowering or removing the tax ceiling on food. The opposition pilloried them by going out and finding dozens of meals that consisted of healthy alternatives. They called the Liberal proposal the "Soup and Salad" tax. Proposal quietly disappeared after a month or so.
| 1101 |
Van Helsing Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:28:16am |
re: #967 MandyManners
re: #946 JamesTKirk
Add it to the list.
This is why you haven't seen me at any of the Lizardoid secret meetings. I'd be noogied and wedgied to death.
I might also grab you by the ear and give it a good twist.
Noogied and wedgied and whacked...
Oh my.
| 1102 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:28:23am |
re: #1094 iceweasel
Telling people they can't smoke in certain places is hardly the equivalent of sending them to a reeducation camp and forcing them to quit.
But didn't Sotomayor make some comment about PC-reeducation concentration camps?
| 1103 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:28:29am |
re: #1096 Walter L. Newton
The irony is, they scream about "not telling me what I can do with my body," mostly in reference to abortion, but, they have no problem passing laws that try to tell me what I can do with my body with a legal substance. Sorry, can't have it both ways.
It's all for the childr.. /oh wait
| 1104 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:28:36am |
re: #1094 iceweasel
Telling people they can't smoke in certain places is hardly the equivalent of sending them to a reeducation camp and forcing them to quit.
Let's pretend that you're someone who never wears pants. (Are you?)
Telling you that you have to wear pants for the two hours or so that you are in a restaurant or bar is hardly an infringement on your right to be a pantless-American. :)
There's a coalition I will be willing to support, I mean suspenders. Coalition for a Pants-Free America!
| 1105 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:28:51am |
re: #1082 Van Helsing
I'm more interested in the government telling a private property owner that the use a legal substance is no longer allowed.
Fine. Tell it to people making that argument.
| 1106 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:28:55am |
re: #1045 iceweasel
Bullshit. I never said "I support the govt telling us what to do!" and I specifically said I did not support that.
Unfortunately because you are a liberal people tend to project everything they hate about liberals onto your posts -whether you believe in those things or not. "She's a liberal. She MUST be for all of those things!". I see your views on motorcycle helmet laws have already been assumed before you have even spoken about them.
It's dishonest.
| 1107 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:29:05am |
re: #1077 Walter L. Newton
So, you want to have it both ways, and other people's rights be damned?
No. Please see my #1087.
| 1108 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:29:06am |
| 1109 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:29:06am |
re: #1059 Charpete67
..been looking and can't find it. I heard it on Fox satellite radio a minute ago.
I also found this tidbit from a Fox news wire when I was searching:
"From Fox: Professor Gates says he expects an apology from Sgt. Crowley at the White House Beer Summit."
I heard the thing about Crowley bringing an attorney on Fox this morning.
| 1110 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:29:07am |
re: #1092 lawhawk
How many can you think of? Then add to that.
Perhaps they will have a people scale at the grocery checkout.
/only partly
| 1111 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:29:38am |
re: #1098 turn
total income $125 per month and rent was $129 per month
You has a net loss of $4/month?
| 1112 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:29:50am |
re: #1108 JamesTKirk
Also "animal husbandry".
Somebody got husbanded. I don't think it was the horse.
| 1113 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:29:54am |
re: #1063 MandyManners
I've heard of it happening in custody cases.
Well, if you can't go out on the porch to smoke instead of stinking up the nursery, maybe they have a point.
My niece gets handed to an admitted alcoholic every other weekend during the school year and every other major holiday and every other week in the summer. The judge specifically disregarded my ex-BIL's self-admission and testimony of his own witnesses that he's a drunk. Then he has her sit in the front seat while driving her around (she's six) and call up her mommy and say "guess what I'm doing?"
Judge don't care.
| 1114 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:30:04am |
| 1115 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:30:20am |
re: #1094 iceweasel
Telling people they can't smoke in certain places is hardly the equivalent of sending them to a reeducation camp and forcing them to quit.
Let's pretend that you're someone who never wears pants. (Are you?)
Telling you that you have to wear pants for the two hours or so that you are in a restaurant or bar is hardly an infringement on your right to be a pantless-American. :)
interesting insights...obviously you have a skewed interpretation of property rights imo..those "certain places" are private property
| 1116 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:30:20am |
| 1117 |
Rancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:30:49am |
The Israel Test
KATHRYN JEAN LOPEZ: What’s the Israel Test and who is administering it?GEORGE GILDER: Do you admire and emulate excellence and accomplishment, even if it excels your own? Or do you envy and resent it? And try to tear it down?
That’s the Israel Test and it is administered by cosmic law — the law of capitalist success: The good fortune of others is also one’s own. The people who admire and emulate excellence thrive. Those who resent and envy it gnash their teeth and tear their hair and never accomplish anything worthwhile.
You can see the Israel Test play out in the Middle East and in Washington.
| 1118 |
John Neverbend Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:31:17am |
re: #6 Erik The Red
Never heard of him.
Yes, he was a damn good poet who exemplified the Victorian "crisis of faith" in some of his poems and in the opening quotation to this thread. Well, that was mainly Darwin's fault.
Here's another short one from Tennyson, traditionally his last poem. Just before he died, he asked his son to put Crossing the Bar at the end of all editions of his poems.
Notice how he isn't sure whether or not he'll meet his "Pilot".
| 1119 |
Honorary Yooper Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:32:00am |
re: #911 iceweasel
Believe it or not, this is the reason why I support bans on smoking in bars and restaurants. When I was a non-smoker I didn't care; when I was (briefly) a smoker I wanted the opportunity to smoke in those places...as an exsmoker now, I know the only times that I really have to struggle with the urge to start again is there.
Banning smoking in bars and restaurants is a good policy, IMO, not just because of the secondhandsmoke issue but because it helps smokers to quit and most of all, helps those who have quit to stay quit.
Ice, I know you won't find agreement with some here, but you have my agreement. As a non-smoker, who has always been a non-smoker, I've avoided bars and nightclubs like the plague due to the formerly heavy amount of smoking at both. When the indoor smoking ban was passed here in Illinois, it felt like a breath of fresh air since I could finally go into either without my sinuses clogging up upon first entry.
Restaurants have become so much more pleasant to visit, and have gotten more of my money since then. It's disgusting to be in a restaurant eating your food and having someone toking away on a cigarette next to you. It ruins the flavor of the food and drink. And folks, separating the smoking and non-smoking sections does little good unless they have their own ventilation systems, and are in entirely different rooms.
It's also nice not to have to strip down as soon as you enter your home or hotel room after going out. It's also nice not to have to take a shower after getting home just to remove the stench from the people smoking around you. Those tiny particles from cigarettes and cigars stick to everything, and smell like shit for hours on end. My cats have peed on clothing I've brought back from smoke-filled rooms just to get rid of the stench. They hate the smell as well. In fact, I'd rather smell a freshly dead roadkill skunk than lit cigars and cigarettes. WTF possessed people to smoke that stinky weed anyway?
| 1120 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:32:09am |
re: #1094 iceweasel
Telling people they can't smoke in certain places is hardly the equivalent of sending them to a reeducation camp and forcing them to quit.
Let's pretend that you're someone who never wears pants. (Are you?)
Telling you that you have to wear pants for the two hours or so that you are in a restaurant or bar is hardly an infringement on your right to be a pantless-American. :)
I guess you don't understand the concept of private individual rights? If a bar tells me their rule is PANTS ONLY, then if I want to go there, I wear pants. If a bar tells me NO SMOKING, and I want to smoke, I don't go there. If the government tell me I can't let someone SMOKE in my privately owned establishment, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT, they better not go there.
And I thought you DON'T support smoking bans?
| 1121 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:32:13am |
re: #1096 Walter L. Newton
The irony is, they scream about "not telling me what I can do with my body," mostly in reference to abortion, but, they have no problem passing laws that try to tell me what I can do with my body with a legal substance. Sorry, can't have it both ways.
busy body do gooders...hand wringing, nosey, intrusive nannies...reason escapes them
| 1122 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:32:59am |
Israel stopped NC jihad suspect's family in 2007
RALEIGH, N.C. – Israel denied entry two years ago to members of a North Carolina family that includes three men accused of plotting to execute terror attacks in foreign countries, an official said Wednesday.
| 1123 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:33:16am |
re: #1097 Mad Al-Jaffee
Usually plain white bread (and no I'm not RACIST!) But it's a basic dough you can use for all kinds of recipes.
I posted a recipe link upthread. Do a search on "no knead bread" and you'll get lots of recipes, discussions, videos, etc.
I make slow proofing, "must knead bread." I have seen those recipes. While I don;t use them, it is great that there are simple bread recipes making the rounds. I am glad that people are getting into making their own bread. It is really so simple, and so much gratifying, and healthier than most of the crap in the stores.
| 1124 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:33:32am |
re: #1059 Charpete67
..been looking and can't find it. I heard it on Fox satellite radio a minute ago.
I also found this tidbit from a Fox news wire when I was searching:
"From Fox: Professor Gates says he expects an apology from Sgt. Crowley at the White House Beer Summit."
Makes me wonder what the real goal of all of this might be. I am thinking it has something to do with saving face for Obama and Gates.
| 1125 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:33:36am |
re: #1119 Honorary Yooper
It does wonders for weight loss? /only partially
| 1126 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:33:39am |
re: #1106 Bloodnok
Unfortunately because you are a liberal people tend to project everything they hate about liberals onto your posts -whether you believe in those things or not. "She's a liberal. She MUST be for all of those things!". I see your views on motorcycle helmet laws have already been assumed before you have even spoken about them.
It's dishonest.
It happens all the time. It's interesting. People project onto me some kind of fantasy about what they imagine "all liberals" think. I've seen people talk about what 'iceweasel' thinks about palin-- when they're talking about a comment spacejesus made, and it's directly in contradiction with everything I've ever said about Palin.
Some people want to fight with their fantasies of liberals, and some don't even need me to respond at all because they're shadowboxing the voices in their heads.
I'm fascinated by it all. It's cool, I don't take it personally, and I'm getting a lot of ideas out of it.
| 1127 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:34:03am |
re: #1119 Honorary Yooper
Ice, I know you won't find agreement with some here, but you have my agreement. As a non-smoker, who has always been a non-smoker, I've avoided bars and nightclubs like the plague due to the formerly heavy amount of smoking at both. When the indoor smoking ban was passed here in Illinois, it felt like a breath of fresh air since I could finally go into either without my sinuses clogging up upon first entry.
Restaurants have become so much more pleasant to visit, and have gotten more of my money since then. It's disgusting to be in a restaurant eating your food and having someone toking away on a cigarette next to you. It ruins the flavor of the food and drink. And folks, separating the smoking and non-smoking sections does little good unless they have their own ventilation systems, and are in entirely different rooms.
It's also nice not to have to strip down as soon as you enter your home or hotel room after going out. It's also nice not to have to take a shower after getting home just to remove the stench from the people smoking around you. Those tiny particles from cigarettes and cigars stick to everything, and smell like shit for hours on end. My cats have peed on clothing I've brought back from smoke-filled rooms just to get rid of the stench. They hate the smell as well. In fact, I'd rather smell a freshly dead roadkill skunk than lit cigars and cigarettes. WTF possessed people to smoke that stinky weed anyway?
then why do you go to places that allow smoking...why don't you go elsewhere and mind your own business?
| 1128 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:34:21am |
re: #1090 victor_yugo
But obviously, you didn't.
Things that make you go, "Hmmm..."
*wha*oh never mind.
It's just one of the vices.
(I did my senior thesis in high school on 79 Park Avenue. It blew the teachers mind.)
| 1129 |
jcm Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:35:03am |
STIMULUS!
Oregon stimulus created 3200 jobs!
for a week
How much are politicians straining to convince people that the government is stimulating the economy? In Oregon, where lawmakers are spending $176 million to supplement the federal stimulus, Democrats are taking credit for a remarkable feat: creating 3,236 new jobs in the program's first three months.But those jobs lasted on average only 35 hours, or about one work week. After that, those workers were effectively back unemployed, according to an Associated Press analysis of state spending and hiring data. By the state's accounting, a job is a job, whether it lasts three hours, three days, three months, or a lifetime.
| 1130 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:35:07am |
re: #1119 Honorary Yooper
Ice, I know you won't find agreement with some here, but you have my agreement. As a non-smoker, who has always been a non-smoker, I've avoided bars and nightclubs like the plague due to the formerly heavy amount of smoking at both. When the indoor smoking ban was passed here in Illinois, it felt like a breath of fresh air since I could finally go into either without my sinuses clogging up upon first entry.
Restaurants have become so much more pleasant to visit, and have gotten more of my money since then. It's disgusting to be in a restaurant eating your food and having someone toking away on a cigarette next to you. It ruins the flavor of the food and drink. And folks, separating the smoking and non-smoking sections does little good unless they have their own ventilation systems, and are in entirely different rooms.
It's also nice not to have to strip down as soon as you enter your home or hotel room after going out. It's also nice not to have to take a shower after getting home just to remove the stench from the people smoking around you. Those tiny particles from cigarettes and cigars stick to everything, and smell like shit for hours on end. My cats have peed on clothing I've brought back from smoke-filled rooms just to get rid of the stench. They hate the smell as well. In fact, I'd rather smell a freshly dead roadkill skunk than lit cigars and cigarettes. WTF possessed people to smoke that stinky weed anyway?
What the Fuck posses someone like you to support telling me what I can do with my PRIVATE property in regards to a LEGAL substance?
Just because you and Iceweasel agrees, don't make it any more right.
| 1131 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:35:34am |
re: #1095 Charpete67
I really think this has a good chance of blowing up in O's face. There's no way Gates will apologize. Whether or not Crowley does is irrelevant...although, I can't believe his lawyer would let him since that might be construed as an admission of guilt.
Here's where the non-apology apology might work: I'm sorry if I offended you.
| 1132 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:35:45am |
re: #1098 turn
haha, the turnwife and I used to do that when we first shacked up. We would scrounge and buy a twelve pack of Lucky beer for $1.99. The tops had these picture puzzles that were fun too. Man those were the days, total income $125 per month and rent was $129 per month. Thank god for dad's freezer.
I'm with you. I am embarrassed to say that more than one of my college apartments was furnished with patio furniture that some fool was stupid enough to leave on their front porch at bar-time.
| 1133 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:36:22am |
re: #1118 John Neverbend
"Due to circumstances beyond your control,
You are master of your fate and captain of your soul."
| 1134 |
jill e Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:36:28am |
While wackos waste energy on Obama's birth certificate:
| 1135 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:36:38am |
re: #1126 iceweasel
It happens all the time. It's interesting. People project onto me some kind of fantasy about what they imagine "all liberals" think. I've seen people talk about what 'iceweasel' thinks about palin-- when they're talking about a comment spacejesus made, and it's directly in contradiction with everything I've ever said about Palin.
Some people want to fight with their fantasies of liberals, and some don't even need me to respond at all because they're shadowboxing the voices in their heads.
I'm fascinated by it all. It's cool, I don't take it personally, and I'm getting a lot of ideas out of it.
Especially when you said it yourself in #911. It's sort of like arguing with yourself. How's that working out for you?
| 1136 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:36:49am |
re: #1119 Honorary Yooper
Ice, I know you won't find agreement with some here, but you have my agreement. As a non-smoker, who has always been a non-smoker, I've avoided bars and nightclubs like the plague due to the formerly heavy amount of smoking at both. When the indoor smoking ban was passed here in Illinois, it felt like a breath of fresh air since I could finally go into either without my sinuses clogging up upon first entry.
Restaurants have become so much more pleasant to visit, and have gotten more of my money since then. It's disgusting to be in a restaurant eating your food and having someone toking away on a cigarette next to you. It ruins the flavor of the food and drink. And folks, separating the smoking and non-smoking sections does little good unless they have their own ventilation systems, and are in entirely different rooms.
It's also nice not to have to strip down as soon as you enter your home or hotel room after going out. It's also nice not to have to take a shower after getting home just to remove the stench from the people smoking around you. Those tiny particles from cigarettes and cigars stick to everything, and smell like shit for hours on end. My cats have peed on clothing I've brought back from smoke-filled rooms just to get rid of the stench. They hate the smell as well. In fact, I'd rather smell a freshly dead roadkill skunk than lit cigars and cigarettes. WTF possessed people to smoke that stinky weed anyway?
I would like for beer to be served at 1/2 price...I'm so sick of getting back to my home and having so little money in my pocket. I would give them a lot more of my money if it was cheaper...er, wait...
| 1137 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:36:52am |
| 1138 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:37:23am |
re: #1078 Gus 802
Taxing junk foods will only result in making the Federal government more obese.
True story.
I like that, true dat.
| 1140 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:37:42am |
re: #1131 MandyManners
Here's where the non-apology apology might work: I'm sorry if I offended you.
or..."I'm sorry if some people may have mis-interpreted what I said..."
| 1141 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:37:59am |
re: #1123 Creeping Eruption
I make slow proofing, "must knead bread." I have seen those recipes. While I don;t use them, it is great that there are simple bread recipes making the rounds. I am glad that people are getting into making their own bread. It is really so simple, and so much gratifying, and healthier than most of the crap in the stores.
We have a bread machine. The quality of the ingredients makes a big difference in the quality of the end product (in other words, "garbage in, garbage out", an admonition that was drilled into me in college), and I love to improvise.
| 1142 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:38:12am |
Unemployment data is out, and the latest weekly data shows that unemployment rose more than analysts expected, but apparently it's good news because the figure is below the whopping June figures.
Gotcha.
The four-week average of claims, which smooths out fluctuations, fell to 559,000, its lowest level since late January. And the number of people remaining on the jobless benefit rolls unexpectedly fell to 6.2 million from 6.25 million, the lowest level since mid-April.
"The latest report is actually reasonably good news," Abiel Reinhart, an economist at JPMorgan Chase & Co., wrote in a client note. "Obviously, claims are still high ... but things appear to be gradually improving."
If they're gradually improving, why were the estimates off by as much as they were on the downside (meaning that they were far more optimistic than they should have been)? As for people remaining on the jobless benefits roll, that could be attributed to people being bumped from the benefits.
| 1143 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:38:20am |
re: #1128 MandyManners
*wha*oh never mind.
Don't hold back, Mandy. Tell me what you really think.
heh heh heh...
| 1144 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:38:22am |
re: #1124 VioletTiger
Makes me wonder what the real goal of all of this might be. I am thinking it has something to do with saving face for Obama and Gates.
It's an ongoing distraction.
| 1145 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:38:36am |
re: #1130 Walter L. Newton
What the Fuck posses someone like you to support telling me what I can do with my PRIVATE property in regards to a LEGAL substance?
Just because you and Iceweasel agrees, don't make it any more right.
And down dinging me doesn't make you any more right Hoop.
| 1146 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:38:45am |
re: #1113 Cato the Elder
Well, if you can't go out on the porch to smoke instead of stinking up the nursery, maybe they have a point.
My niece gets handed to an admitted alcoholic every other weekend during the school year and every other major holiday and every other week in the summer. The judge specifically disregarded my ex-BIL's self-admission and testimony of his own witnesses that he's a drunk. Then he has her sit in the front seat while driving her around (she's six) and call up her mommy and say "guess what I'm doing?"
Judge don't care.
What if she were to hire a PI to get it all documented on film?
BTW, I was not talking about smoking in the nursery.
| 1147 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:38:55am |
re: #1132 Creeping Eruption
I'm with you. I am embarrassed to say that more than one of my college apartments was furnished with patio furniture that some fool was stupid enough to leave on their front porch at bar-time.
You had Patio Furniture ? KULAK !!
Egg crate furniture for me, heh.
| 1148 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:38:56am |
re: #1134 jill e
You want wackos to spend their time on the Black Panther thing? If you just ignore the wacko's, they go find another audience. It's pretty simple.
| 1149 |
That's Mr. President to you Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:39:21am |
I see that there is a false debate going on here about laws and liberty.
You folks are missing the point.
We progressives recognize that most people who did not get advanced degrees from Ivy League schools in topics such as Romantic Literature or Semiology aren't actually prepared to make decisions for themselves. They don't act in their self interests.
That is why progressives exist - we make better choices for you. Now some of you may find that condescending, but that is only because you aren't intelligent enough to understand that we know what is best for you.
We also realize that you people who cling to guns and Bibles might object to our making decisions for you which is why we came up with "Soft Paternalism"
We progressives are wonderful people - we are smarter than you yet we put our talents to work for your benefit. It is a point I make to all of my staff at our weekly "Kobe beef and Sushi" get togethers that we have in the Map Room and a point that I make with the Media when we are hanging out in the Flying Man Cave.
If only you could understand it.
| 1150 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:39:21am |
re: #1141 JamesTKirk
We have a bread machine. The quality of the ingredients makes a big difference in the quality of the end product (in other words, "garbage in, garbage out", an admonition that was drilled into me in college), and I love to improvise.
So true regarding ingredients. Try baking bread without the training wheels though. You will love it even more. :)
| 1151 |
John Neverbend Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:39:31am |
re: #1133 victor_yugo
"Due to circumstances beyond your control,
You are master of your fate and captain of your soul."
That sounds like a paraprahasing of Henley's Invictus. Where did you find the quotation?
| 1152 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:39:42am |
re: #1138 turn
I like that, true dat.
Gracias. What would they do create another department or service? Let's see, Internal Obesity Service (IOS) under the umbrella of the FDA. A bunch of GPO brochures on "junk food," mandates, regulations, and programs.
| 1153 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:39:57am |
re: #1119 Honorary Yooper
I agree with you-- but smokers genuinely don't understand how disgusting it is to non-smokers. They think nonsmokers are being prissy or nasty or annoying when they object to the presence of smoke near them. They don't understand because they literally do not smell what we do. They don't know that they smell of it; they don't know that it clings to everything.
When I was a nonsmoker, I hated being in close proximity to smoke, but I just avoided those places. When I was a smoker, I lost my ability to smell or detect it, so those places didn't bother me.
As an exsmoker, I know that these are the places where someone who is trying to quit is most tempted.
Apart from the issues about the health of others, it really isn't some major oppression to ask people to step outside to smoke.
| 1154 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:40:14am |
re: #1147 SasquatchOnSteroids
You had Patio Furniture ? KULAK !!
Egg crate furniture for me, heh.
You lucky bastard. I had to use chunks of leftover concrete for my furniture...
/
| 1155 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:40:49am |
re: #1129 jcm
STIMULUS!
Oregon stimulus created 3200 jobs!
for a week
Wow. AP actually released information that is not flattering to FCBBHO?
| 1156 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:41:15am |
re: #1151 John Neverbend
That sounds like a paraprahasing of Henley's Invictus. Where did you find the quotation?
In my fortune cookie file. Standard issue on most personal Unix/Linux systems.
| 1157 |
acwgusa Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:41:23am |
re: #1149 That's Mr. President to you
I see that there is a false debate going on here about laws and liberty.
You folks are missing the point.
We progressives recognize that most people who did not get advanced degrees from Ivy League schools in topics such as Romantic Literature or Semiology aren't actually prepared to make decisions for themselves. They don't act in their self interests.
That is why progressives exist - we make better choices for you. Now some of you may find that condescending, but that is only because you aren't intelligent enough to understand that we know what is best for you.
We also realize that you people who cling to guns and Bibles might object to our making decisions for you which is why we came up with "Soft Paternalism"
We progressives are wonderful people - we are smarter than you yet we put our talents to work for your benefit. It is a point I make to all of my staff at our weekly "Kobe beef and Sushi" get togethers that we have in the Map Room and a point that I make with the Media when we are hanging out in the Flying Man Cave.
If only you could understand it.
I know that's supposed to be sarcasm, but I still shuddered.
| 1158 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:41:46am |
re: #1140 Charpete67
or..."I'm sorry if some people may have mis-interpreted what I said..."
That's another one.
| 1159 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:42:03am |
re: #1147 SasquatchOnSteroids
You had Patio Furniture ? KULAK !!
Egg crate furniture for me, heh.
The key is to scrounge from the landed-gentry.
| 1160 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:42:15am |
re: #1145 Walter L. Newton
And down dinging me doesn't make you any more right Hoop.
good grief...the simplicity of cause and effect evades these people...in a different circumstance with another variable they would be screaming about infringement...your abortion analogy was perfect...wavering priciples, they just won't take a stand and stick to it...disregarding the very nature of private property...man oh man
| 1161 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:42:17am |
re: #1153 iceweasel
I agree with you-- but smokers genuinely don't understand how disgusting it is to non-smokers. They think nonsmokers are being prissy or nasty or annoying when they object to the presence of smoke near them. They don't understand because they literally do not smell what we do. They don't know that they smell of it; they don't know that it clings to everything.
When I was a nonsmoker, I hated being in close proximity to smoke, but I just avoided those places. When I was a smoker, I lost my ability to smell or detect it, so those places didn't bother me.
As an exsmoker, I know that these are the places where someone who is trying to quit is most tempted.
Apart from the issues about the health of others, it really isn't some major oppression to ask people to step outside to smoke.
re: #1119 Honorary Yooper
I think the federal government should ban drinking in bars and restaurants. Do you know what it is like to smell booze on someone, and then if they vomit or burp, and pass gas, it's really nasty.
| 1162 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:42:18am |
re: #1155 MandyManners
Wow. AP actually released information that is not flattering to FCBBHO?
Somebody is going to get a phone call.
| 1163 |
Honorary Yooper Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:42:59am |
re: #1127 albusteve
then why do you go to places that allow smoking...why don't you go elsewhere and mind your own business?
re: #1130 Walter L. Newton
What the Fuck posses someone like you to support telling me what I can do with my PRIVATE property in regards to a LEGAL substance?
Just because you and Iceweasel agrees, don't make it any more right.
Abu and Watler, you miss the fucking point here. You can't avoid this shit no matter where you go. This is what has led to the bans and the full support of them by the majority of non-smokers. We're sick and tired of stinking whenever we try to enjoy a drink, a dance, a meal, hell, damn near anything. We're tired of you infringing on our rights not to fucking stink like that shitty weed!
Everyone talks about smokers' rights, but what about non-smokers' rights? Don't they count, or is it OK for smokers just to trample on non-smokers' rights? Obviously it must be OK for the minority to trample on the majority's rights according to you guys.
| 1164 |
Van Helsing Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:43:00am |
re: #1149 That's Mr. President to you
Damn, I think you're beginning to convince me...
Scary.
| 1166 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:43:24am |
re: #1154 LGoPs
You lucky bastard. I had to use chunks of leftover concrete for my furniture...
/
Luxury! We used to live in shoebox in middle of road...
| 1167 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:43:39am |
re: #1149 That's Mr. President to you
I see that there is a false debate going on here about laws and liberty.
You folks are missing the point.
We progressives recognize that most people who did not get advanced degrees from Ivy League schools in topics such as Romantic Literature or Semiology aren't actually prepared to make decisions for themselves. They don't act in their self interests.
That is why progressives exist - we make better choices for you. Now some of you may find that condescending, but that is only because you aren't intelligent enough to understand that we know what is best for you.
We also realize that you people who cling to guns and Bibles might object to our making decisions for you which is why we came up with "Soft Paternalism"
We progressives are wonderful people - we are smarter than you yet we put our talents to work for your benefit. It is a point I make to all of my staff at our weekly "Kobe beef and Sushi" get togethers that we have in the Map Room and a point that I make with the Media when we are hanging out in the Flying Man Cave.
If only you could understand it.
How ya' doing, ya' fucking Commie bastard?
| 1168 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:43:46am |
re: #1119 Honorary Yooper
Ice, I know you won't find agreement with some here, but you have my agreement. As a non-smoker, who has always been a non-smoker, I've avoided bars and nightclubs like the plague due to the formerly heavy amount of smoking at both. When the indoor smoking ban was passed here in Illinois, it felt like a breath of fresh air since I could finally go into either without my sinuses clogging up upon first entry.
Restaurants have become so much more pleasant to visit, and have gotten more of my money since then. It's disgusting to be in a restaurant eating your food and having someone toking away on a cigarette next to you. It ruins the flavor of the food and drink. And folks, separating the smoking and non-smoking sections does little good unless they have their own ventilation systems, and are in entirely different rooms.
It's also nice not to have to strip down as soon as you enter your home or hotel room after going out. It's also nice not to have to take a shower after getting home just to remove the stench from the people smoking around you. Those tiny particles from cigarettes and cigars stick to everything, and smell like shit for hours on end. My cats have peed on clothing I've brought back from smoke-filled rooms just to get rid of the stench. They hate the smell as well. In fact, I'd rather smell a freshly dead roadkill skunk than lit cigars and cigarettes. WTF possessed people to smoke that stinky weed anyway?
re: #1119 Honorary Yooper
I think the federal government should ban drinking in bars and restaurants. Do you know what it is like to smell booze on someone, and then if they vomit or burp, and pass gas, it's really nasty. WTF possesses people to drink anyway?
| 1169 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:44:11am |
re: #1154 LGoPs
You lucky bastard. I had to use chunks of leftover concrete for my furniture...
/
I am afraid to ask what happened to the re-bar that jutted out.
| 1170 |
John Neverbend Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:44:14am |
re: #1140 Charpete67
or..."I'm sorry if some people may have mis-interpreted what I said..."
..or "I could have calibrated those words differently." Utter bollocks.
| 1171 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:44:19am |
re: #1154 LGoPs
You lucky bastard. I had to use chunks of leftover concrete for my furniture...
/
Let me guess.
Walk to school.
Uphill both ways.
| 1172 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:44:37am |
re: #1158 MandyManners
That's another one.
Don't forget the passive-voice "mistakes were made" that was used so often in the Clinton years.
| 1173 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:44:44am |
Police bust wheel’s first drug suspect
Picayune police nabbed their first suspect Tuesday using the department’s newly created “Wheel of Justice,” which puts the names of those wanted for drug offenses on a wheel for police officers to spin to determine who to arrest next.
At the Picayune Kiwanis Club meeting Tuesday, officers spun the wheel and it landed on 24-year-old Dewayne Allen Bester Jr. He was wanted for sale of crack cocaine within 1,500 feet of a church or school and failure to appear. He was also out on bond for a murder charge in Hattiesburg. According to the Picayune Item, Bester was charged along with two other suspects for their roles in the death of Larry Blakely, 22, of Hattiesburg, in June 2008.
Bester was arrested at a home on Shirley Drive in Picayune on Tuesday afternoon. The wheel had landed on him less than an hour before his capture.
...Officers plan to spin the wheel once per week at different locations in the city. Next week, they may do it at a local radio station, Ervin said. Narcotics officers will determine which drug suspects to put in the running and they likely won’t feature the same eight offenders from week to week. Ervin said Picayune police’s drug arrests aren’t limited to those Tuesdays when they spin the wheel.
| 1174 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:44:51am |
re: #1163 Honorary Yooper
Abu and Watler, you miss the fucking point here. You can't avoid this shit no matter where you go. This is what has led to the bans and the full support of them by the majority of non-smokers. We're sick and tired of stinking whenever we try to enjoy a drink, a dance, a meal, hell, damn near anything. We're tired of you infringing on our rights not to fucking stink like that shitty weed!
Everyone talks about smokers' rights, but what about non-smokers' rights? Don't they count, or is it OK for smokers just to trample on non-smokers' rights? Obviously it must be OK for the minority to trample on the majority's rights according to you guys.
Your right, your right is to NOT ENTER A PLACE THAT DOESN'T APPEAL TO YOU. That's your right. Your right ends at my property line, my LEGAL business.
| 1175 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:44:55am |
re: #1163 Honorary Yooper
Abu and Watler, you miss the fucking point here. You can't avoid this shit no matter where you go. This is what has led to the bans and the full support of them by the majority of non-smokers. We're sick and tired of stinking whenever we try to enjoy a drink, a dance, a meal, hell, damn near anything. We're tired of you infringing on our rights not to fucking stink like that shitty weed!
Everyone talks about smokers' rights, but what about non-smokers' rights? Don't they count, or is it OK for smokers just to trample on non-smokers' rights? Obviously it must be OK for the minority to trample on the majority's rights according to you guys.
I thought there was a smoking ban in Chicago.
| 1176 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:45:05am |
re: #1163 Honorary Yooper
Abu and Watler, you miss the fucking point here. You can't avoid this shit no matter where you go. This is what has led to the bans and the full support of them by the majority of non-smokers. We're sick and tired of stinking whenever we try to enjoy a drink, a dance, a meal, hell, damn near anything. We're tired of you infringing on our rights not to fucking stink like that shitty weed!
Everyone talks about smokers' rights, but what about non-smokers' rights? Don't they count, or is it OK for smokers just to trample on non-smokers' rights? Obviously it must be OK for the minority to trample on the majority's rights according to you guys.
smokers only have the rights that I allow them on my property...that's all there is to it...it is a simple concept, no matter how difficult it is for you to avaoid smoke...try harder
| 1177 |
jcm Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:45:17am |
re: #1149 That's Mr. President to you
But if you take a progressive, give him a mule, a plow, 40 acres, an axe and a rifle.
He will still starve.
| 1178 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:45:38am |
re: #1174 Walter L. Newton
Your right, your right is to NOT ENTER A PLACE THAT DOESN'T APPEAL TO YOU. That's your right. Your right ends at my property line, my LEGAL business.
I demand not to see nudity when I enter a strip joint!
//
| 1179 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:45:42am |
re: #1135 Walter L. Newton
Especially when you said it yourself in #911. It's sort of like arguing with yourself. How's that working out for you?
You'd know. You're the one who keeps trying to argue, keeps inventing positions I don't hold and frantically attributing them to me, and keeps getting ignored.
How's that working out for you? :)
PS btw, I think you're being irascible and argumentative today, but I still like you if only for getting me into Lost. Maybe I should hate you for that, though. It's addictive.
| 1180 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:45:58am |
Flying pig moment...
Rights groups decry Gaza 'honor killing'
The woman was beaten to death in the northern Gaza neighborhood of Jebalya on Thursday night. The father called police and confessed to the murder.
According to investigators for the Gaza-based Al Mezan Center for Human Rights, the father and his three sons were taken into police custody. They said the killing "was carried out on grounds related to 'preserving' the honor of the family."
The Palestinian Center for Human Rights, another Gaza-based organization, said hospital forensic reports show the woman's body showed signs of torture and that she suffered a skull fracture from being hit by an iron chain.
...
In a statement, Al Mezan said honor killings were murder and "cannot be lawfully justified... the leniency with which the authority treats the perpetrators of such crimes, who usually allege that they were acting to preserve the honor of the family, has contributed to the noticeable increase in honor killings."
| 1181 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:46:04am |
re: #1170 John Neverbend
..or "I could have calibrated those words differently." Utter bollocks.
"Those statements are no longer operative."
| 1182 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:46:07am |
re: #1153 iceweasel
I agree with you-- but smokers genuinely don't understand how disgusting it is to non-smokers. They think nonsmokers are being prissy or nasty or annoying when they object to the presence of smoke near them. They don't understand because they literally do not smell what we do. They don't know that they smell of it; they don't know that it clings to everything.
When I was a nonsmoker, I hated being in close proximity to smoke, but I just avoided those places. When I was a smoker, I lost my ability to smell or detect it, so those places didn't bother me.
As an exsmoker, I know that these are the places where someone who is trying to quit is most tempted.
Apart from the issues about the health of others, it really isn't some major oppression to ask people to step outside to smoke.
Nice way to wield that broad brush! And, full of shit.
Big difference between asking someone and using the weight of the government to FORCE them.
| 1183 |
Van Helsing Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:46:09am |
re: #1161 Walter L. Newton
re: #1119 Honorary Yooper
I think the federal government should ban drinking in bars and restaurants. Do you know what it is like to smell booze on someone, and then if they vomit or burp, and pass gas, it's really nasty.
And they should make sure there is a schedule for cleaning all the bathrooms so I don't have deal with that nasty mess when i have to go pee on my shoes!
| 1184 |
John Neverbend Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:46:12am |
re: #1156 victor_yugo
In my fortune cookie file. Standard issue on most personal Unix/Linux systems.
I want one of those, along with a flashy memory messer-up thing.
| 1185 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:46:21am |
| 1186 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:46:36am |
re: #1166 JamesTKirk
Luxury! We used to live in shoebox in middle of road...
Well at least you had a shoebox. Only the rich could afford shoeboxes...stinking bourgeoisie...
/ *Sniff*
| 1188 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:47:09am |
re: #1178 Gus 802
I demand not to see nudity when I enter a strip joint!
//
I'll be happy to look at your share of nudity for you.
| 1189 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:47:21am |
re: #1171 SasquatchOnSteroids
Let me guess.
Walk to school.
Uphill both ways.
And dirt sandwiches for lunch. Without the bread.
| 1190 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:47:34am |
re: #1179 iceweasel
You'd know. You're the one who keeps trying to argue, keeps inventing positions I don't hold and frantically attributing them to me, and keeps getting ignored.
How's that working out for you? :)
PS btw, I think you're being irascible and argumentative today, but I still like you if only for getting me into Lost. Maybe I should hate you for that, though. It's addictive.
then simply retract your #911...it's easy...it's not about smoking, it's about my rights, not yours
| 1191 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:47:41am |
re: #1172 JamesTKirk
Don't forget the passive-voice "mistakes were made" that was used so often in the Clinton years.
Ooh. I'd forgotten that one.
| 1192 |
Rancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:47:48am |
re: #1168 Walter L. Newton
re: #1119 Honorary Yooper
I think the federal government should ban drinking in bars and restaurants. Do you know what it is like to smell booze on someone, and then if they vomit or burp, and pass gas, it's really nasty. WTF possesses people to drink anyway?
I would like to see a ban on country music. I don't listen to country music, why should I have to put up with it at restaurants and bars? This is not just personal preference, second hand country music gives me headaches.
| 1193 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:48:02am |
re: #1182 MandyManners
Nice way to wield that broad brush! And, full of shit.
Big difference between asking someone and using the weight of the government to FORCE them.
why can't people just leave me the hell alone?
| 1194 |
Van Helsing Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:48:33am |
re: #1154 LGoPsYou lucky bastard. I had to use chunks of leftover concrete for my furniture...
You had concrete? I used to dream of sitting on leftover concrete. All we had was shards of broken glass stuck gravel!
Kids today, don't know how lucky you are...
| 1195 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:48:36am |
re: #1188 JamesTKirk
I'll be happy to look at your share of nudity for you.
Might have to hurry. I hear that this group called "People for Nudity Free Striptease" is gaining ground.
/It's a "Human Right."
/
| 1196 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:48:37am |
re: #1111 victor_yugo
You has a net loss of $4/month?
Yep, on our fixed income which was my SS from my mothers passing. We made money other ways to cover but we lived a meager existence and surely would have starved had it not been for the parents feeding us.
| 1197 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:48:53am |
re: #1188 JamesTKirk
I'll be happy to look at your share of nudity for you.
I'll help you with that.
| 1198 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:49:04am |
re: #1193 Charpete67
why can't people just leave me the hell alone?
they are obsessed that's why...they are more concerned for your behavior than their own
| 1199 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:49:21am |
re: #1185 Creeping Eruption
And who said cops can't have fun on the job?
Some have too much fun.
Officers Run Background Check On Obama; Placed On Leave
DEKALB COUNTY, Ga. -- Two DeKalb County police officers have been placed on paid administrative leave after an investigation revealed they ran a background check on President Barack Obama.
A representative for the DeKalb County CEO’s office identified the officers as Ryan White and C.M. Route.
Officials said Obama’s name was typed into a computer inside a DeKalb County police car on July 20 and ran through the National Crime Information Center.
The secret service was immediately notified and contacted the DeKalb County Police Department.
| 1200 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:49:45am |
re: #1194 Van Helsing
You had concrete? I used to dream of sitting on leftover concrete. All we had was shards of broken glass stuck gravel!
Kids today, don't know how lucky you are...
I hated climbing over walls with broken glass on them when I was kid. There was convent near my house that had glass embedded in the top of the stone wall. A convent! WTF?
| 1201 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:50:16am |
People in red shirts are always complaining about all of the killer animals/plants/humanoids/robots/freak weather patterns on alien planets, and clamoring for them to be banned. Why don't they just stay away, and leave those planets for the rest of us; those of us who are capable of sidestepping the danger and finding a scantily-clad woman in every cave?
| 1202 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:50:26am |
re: #1175 Gus 802
I thought there was a smoking ban in Chicago.
There is. But not just Chicago, the entire County of Cook bans it and other outlying counties as well.
| 1203 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:50:44am |
| 1204 |
Honorary Yooper Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:51:35am |
re: #1168 Walter L. Newton
re: #1119 Honorary Yooper
I think the federal government should ban drinking in bars and restaurants. Do you know what it is like to smell booze on someone, and then if they vomit or burp, and pass gas, it's really nasty. WTF possesses people to drink anyway?
You, again, miss the fucking point. This is not the occasiona; passed gas which dissipated rapidly. This is not vomit, of which the smell dissappears when it is cleaned up and disposed of. This is not a drink which may even have a pleasant smell, and the smell can easily be washed out if it should spill.
Cigarette and cigar smoke have tiny particles that stick to everything and anything in the room. They stick to clothing and are hard to wash out. They stick to hair and requires heavy-duty washing to remove. They stick to the furniture in the room, and they stick to the walls. They stick to the countertops making them sticky with cigarette smoke film. Do you have any idea how nasty it is to touch something that's been in a smoke-filled room? It makes you want to wash your hands with Lava afterward.
BTW, what about non-smokers' right, Walter? What about them? Do smokers have a right to trample on the rights of the majority, non-smokers?
| 1205 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:51:38am |
re: #1202 midwestgak
There is. But not just Chicago, the entire County of Cook bans it and other outlying counties as well.
Yeah, that's what I was just reading. Smoking ban was instituted on 1/1/2008 in the City of Chicago.
| 1206 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:51:38am |
re: #1200 Creeping Eruption
I hated climbing over walls with broken glass on them when I was kid. There was convent near my house that had glass embedded in the top of the stone wall. A convent! WTF?
They were supposed to forgive you your trespasses.
That doesn't mean that they were required to make your trespassing easy.
| 1207 |
That's Mr. President to you Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:51:59am |
re: #1177 jcm
But if you take a progressive, give him a mule, a plow, 40 acres, an axe and a rifle.
He will still starve.
No. He will bury the rifle so that it will never be used again, name the Mule "Gaia's Gift" and give it a clean and humane home.
He will then take the axe and inform those on the adjacent acreage that he is now their firefighter and that he will need a firehouse built and needs a salary and pension.
When the adjacent landholders refuse his firefighting services, he will return to the place where he buried the rifle, he will dig it up, clean it, and then revisit the recalcitrant, informing them that there has been a People's Revolution and that he is the leader and that their farms are being collectivized.
After that, everything goes just fine.
| 1208 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:52:23am |
re: #1198 albusteve
they are obsessed that's why...they are more concerned for your behavior than their own
3rd Hand Smoke
The next wave.
Seriously.
| 1209 |
Van Helsing Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:52:30am |
re: #1200 Creeping Eruption
I hated climbing over walls with broken glass on them when I was kid. There was convent near my house that had glass embedded in the top of the stone wall. A convent! WTF?
You should have sued them for your bleeding owies.
| 1210 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:52:46am |
re: #1178 Gus 802
I demand not to see nudity when I enter a strip joint!
//
Especially if Rosie O'Donnell is dancing.
| 1211 |
jcm Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:52:48am |
Swimming anyone?
Study: 1 in 5 have urinated in a public pool
Community pools are popular destinations in these sizzling temperatures, but do you know what's in the water?According to a new study of 1,000 adults, one in five said they have urinated in a public pool. The Water Quality and Health Council also found about eight out of 10 think their fellow swimmers are guilty of the same.
Welcome to our ool.
Notice there is no "P" in our ool.
| 1213 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:52:53am |
re: #1206 JamesTKirk
They were supposed to forgive you your trespasses.
That doesn't mean that they were required to make your trespassing easy.
Excellent
| 1214 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:53:05am |
re: #1198 albusteve
they are obsessed that's why...they are more concerned for your behavior than their own
They're really into positive freedom/liberties rather than that upon which our nation was founded: negative freedom/liberties.
| 1215 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:53:21am |
Man scandalises Saudi Arabia with TV sex confession
Abdul-Jawad said sex became an important part of his life at age 14, following his first sexual encounter with a neighbour.
He demonstrated how he would cruise girls in his red convertible or in supermarkets, often making use of Bluetooth mobile phone technology, and produced sex toys and lubricants from his bedroom cupboard.
"While I'm driving I turn my Bluetooth on. It has the description of my car and my mobile number... I get calls from girls... and in some cases I call back and she goes out with me," he says in the Youtube clips.
Newspapers and bloggers have said the young man should face legal action for spreading vice in what has been dubbed by media as the "frank with filth case".
"He confessed before the world that he committed fornication and continues to fornicate," an anonymous user wrote on al-Medina newspaper's web forum this week.
"It is for that reason that he deserves to be stoned to death, as Islamic law stipulates."
| 1216 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:53:21am |
re: #1210 Mad Al-Jaffee
Especially if Rosie O'Donnell is dancing.
Well, in that case. I'll change my vote! /
| 1219 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:53:47am |
| 1220 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:53:57am |
re: #1213 Creeping Eruption
Excellent
I do manage to make a good point now and then, but you have to sift through an awful lot of puns and double entendres to find it.
| 1221 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:54:01am |
re: #1211 jcm
Swimming anyone?
Study: 1 in 5 have urinated in a public pool
Welcome to our ool.Notice there is no "P" in our ool.
And the other four people are lying. :)
| 1222 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:54:06am |
re: #1198 albusteve
they are obsessed that's why...they are more concerned for your behavior than their own
It's not their obsession...it's that we live in a nanny state...if we don't like something, we go to big brother government to try and force our views on everyone else.
Has it ever crossed some people's mind that we live in a free country and that every time you take one of my freedom's away (no matter how small it is), our country sucks a little bit more.
| 1223 |
Van Helsing Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:54:18am |
re: #1207 That's Mr. President to you
You are just scary good, sir!
| 1224 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:54:35am |
re: #1207 That's Mr. President to you
No. He will bury the rifle so that it will never be used again, name the Mule "Gaia's Gift" and give it a clean and humane home.
He will then take the axe and inform those on the adjacent acreage that he is now their firefighter and that he will need a firehouse built and needs a salary and pension.
When the adjacent landholders refuse his firefighting services, he will return to the place where he buried the rifle, he will dig it up, clean it, and then revisit the recalcitrant, informing them that there has been a People's Revolution and that he is the leader and that their farms are being collectivized.
After that, everything goes just fine.
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
| 1225 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:54:38am |
| 1226 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:54:44am |
re: #1209 Van Helsing
You should have sued them for your bleeding owies.
Nah. Then I could not roam with impunity.
| 1227 |
DaddyG Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:54:45am |
A suitable topic for the Obama, Gates Crowley meeting...
"Associate Attorney General Thomas J. Perrelli, the No. 3 official in the Obama Justice Department, was consulted and ultimately approved a decision in May to reverse course and drop a civil complaint accusing three members of the New Black Panther Party of intimidating voters in Philadelphia during November's election..."
"The department's career lawyers in the Voting Section of the Civil Rights Division who pursued the complaint for five months had recommended that Justice seek sanctions against the party and three of its members after the government had already won a default judgment in federal court against the men."
"While the Obama administration has vowed a new era of openness, department officials have refused to answer questions from Republican members of Congress on why the case was dismissed, claiming the information was "privileged, according to congressional correspondence with the department."
"Mr. Perrelli, a prominent private practice attorney, served previously as a counsel to Attorney General Janet Reno in the Clinton administration and was an Obama supporter who raised more than $500,000 for the Democrat candidate in the 2008 elections."
| 1228 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:55:13am |
re: #1204 Honorary Yooper
BTW, what about non-smokers' right, Walter? What about them? Do smokers have a right to trample on the rights of the majority, non-smokers?
WTF?
Just who is coercing whom?
Who has forced you to enter into a smoke-filled environment?
| 1229 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:55:21am |
re: #1211 jcm
Swimming anyone?
Study: 1 in 5 have urinated in a public pool
Welcome to our ool.Notice there is no "P" in our ool.
Three in five are lying.
| 1230 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:55:22am |
re: #1204 Honorary Yooper
You, again, miss the fucking point. This is not the occasiona; passed gas which dissipated rapidly. This is not vomit, of which the smell dissappears when it is cleaned up and disposed of. This is not a drink which may even have a pleasant smell, and the smell can easily be washed out if it should spill.
Cigarette and cigar smoke have tiny particles that stick to everything and anything in the room. They stick to clothing and are hard to wash out. They stick to hair and requires heavy-duty washing to remove. They stick to the furniture in the room, and they stick to the walls. They stick to the countertops making them sticky with cigarette smoke film. Do you have any idea how nasty it is to touch something that's been in a smoke-filled room? It makes you want to wash your hands with Lava afterward.
BTW, what about non-smokers' right, Walter? What about them? Do smokers have a right to trample on the rights of the majority, non-smokers?
I just repeat myself, since you refuse to answer or address this following statement.
Your right, your right is to NOT ENTER A PLACE THAT DOESN'T APPEAL TO YOU. You don't like smoke, then you have a right not to enter my apartment or house. You don't like porn, then you have a right not to enter a porn theater. You don't like Catholics, then don't go to a Catholic Church. That's your right. Your right ends at my property line, my LEGAL business.
And if you can't understand that simple logic, those simple facts, the constitutional rights that we have, then there is NO way any amount of verbiage here is going to change that.
| 1232 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:56:10am |
re: #1225 Gus 802
Here it is:
The Google search.
Coming to a Nanny State nearest you.
My thoughts are that if smoking is so bad for us, why is it still legal?
/confession smoker for the past 22 years.
| 1233 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:56:19am |
re: #1204 Honorary Yooper
You, again, miss the fucking point. This is not the occasiona; passed gas which dissipated rapidly. This is not vomit, of which the smell dissappears when it is cleaned up and disposed of. This is not a drink which may even have a pleasant smell, and the smell can easily be washed out if it should spill.
Cigarette and cigar smoke have tiny particles that stick to everything and anything in the room. They stick to clothing and are hard to wash out. They stick to hair and requires heavy-duty washing to remove. They stick to the furniture in the room, and they stick to the walls. They stick to the countertops making them sticky with cigarette smoke film. Do you have any idea how nasty it is to touch something that's been in a smoke-filled room? It makes you want to wash your hands with Lava afterward.
BTW, what about non-smokers' right, Walter? What about them? Do smokers have a right to trample on the rights of the majority, non-smokers?
that's been explained to you...do you see the difference between your stink argument and my private property rights?...these rights protect you as well...conversley nobody tells you where you can or cannot do business
| 1235 |
Van Helsing Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:56:40am |
re: #1219 SasquatchOnSteroids
There's no money in that.
And it won't make them feel good.
Also might make them look deeper at their own lives.
Just kidding.
| 1236 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:56:45am |
re: #1232 BlueCanuck
My thoughts are that if smoking is so bad for us, why is it still legal?
/confession smoker for the past 22 years.
Revenue.
Not so much the liberty thing.
| 1237 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:56:47am |
They just passed the smoking ban in NC. Ridiculous. It's freakin' North Carolina!
I am good friends with a "college bar" owner in MA. The smoking ban went through up there a couple years ago. He was 50-50 on the idea. He had always hated the smoke, but didn't want to lose business, so he never banned it on his own. Common sense.
Now that it's been in effect for a while, business is in the shitter, there's a "cigar" bar next door that was opened right after the ban (different rules for those) that is doing well. My friend now spends a half hour every morning sweeping butts from the front of his establishment. The extra "in-out" traffic generated by smokers popping out for a smoke means he keeps an extra bouncer at the door for all busy shifts. Costs him cash. In the winter, what used to be a bar full of college kids smoking cigs and an occasional cigar while watching football is now silent as a tomb on Saturdays and Sundays. It only takes one smoker in a group of ten people for them to change their plans to a smoking friendly venue. Great for the new cigar bars, Legion posts and "buy a cup" keggers, not so good for the small businessman.
| 1238 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:57:01am |
| 1239 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:57:38am |
re: #1236 Gus 802
Revenue.
Not so much the liberty thing.
That is why they should re-think this War on Drugs® thing.
| 1240 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:58:01am |
re: #1126 iceweasel
I bet you iceweasel thinks just like that stooopid racist Gates.
/
You do get a lot of piling on, hang in there.
| 1241 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:58:01am |
BTW, what about non-smokers' right, Walter? What about them? Do smokers have a right to trample on the rights of the majority, non-smokers?
They have the right to go somewhere else. Bars are competing for your business...show them who's the boss and go somewhere else.
| 1242 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:58:17am |
re: #1204 Honorary Yooper
...BTW, what about non-smokers' right, Walter? What about them? Do smokers have a right to trample on the rights of the majority, non-smokers?
And conservatives wonder how progressives have managed to insert themselves into our private lives... you are a prime example of the problem, and in no way part of the solution.
| 1243 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:58:26am |
re: #1214 MandyManners
They're really into positive freedom/liberties rather than that upon which our nation was founded: negative freedom/liberties.
yes, well put, that's precisely why I label this behavior unAmerican...because it is
| 1244 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:58:32am |
re: #1239 Gang of One
That is why they should re-think this War on Drugs® thing.
Has anyone checked to see if medicinal marijuana is included anywhere in the thousand-page Health Care bill?
| 1245 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:58:58am |
BIRMINGHAM, AL (WBRC) - A Walker County man was sitting in his vehicle on Wednesday, when a bomb exploded. The victim is now in serious condition at UAB Hospital.
Agents with the ATF and FBI have been called in to assist police to find out who planted the explosive device.
This all happened around 6:00 pm at a home on Crest Avenue in the Walker County community of Parrish.
Walker County's Sheriff says it is unknown what type of explosive device it was or how it was detonated. He did say the explosion was confined to the inside of the truck.
| 1246 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:59:07am |
re: #1239 Gang of One
That is why they should re-think this War on Drugs® thing.
We should. If it's done right. But, we are talking government. ;)
| 1247 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:59:13am |
re: #1208 Gus 802
3rd Hand Smoke
The next wave.
Seriously.
Heh... If second hand smoke were as much a health risk as it is said to be, all the baby boomers would be dying of lung cancer. Most people smoked when I was a kid.
| 1248 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:59:25am |
re: #1244 JamesTKirk
Has anyone checked to see if medicinal marijuana is included anywhere in the thousand-page Health Care bill?
I think the CA delegation used rolling papyrus for their version.
| 1249 |
Van Helsing Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:59:35am |
re: #1230 Walter L. Newton
I just repeat myself, since you refuse to answer or address this following statement.
Your right, your right is to NOT ENTER A PLACE THAT DOESN'T APPEAL TO YOU. You don't like smoke, then you have a right not to enter my apartment or house. You don't like porn, then you have a right not to enter a porn theater. You don't like Catholics, then don't go to a Catholic Church. That's your right. Your right ends at my property line, my LEGAL business.
And if you can't understand that simple logic, those simple facts, the constitutional rights that we have, then there is NO way any amount of verbiage here is going to change that.
I think the problem here Walter, is that you're making direct, easy to understand statements.
Try being more 'nuanced'.
| 1250 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 8:59:53am |
re: #1240 turn
I bet you iceweasel thinks just like that stooopid racist Gates.
/
You do get a lot of piling on, hang in there.
they like the attention, why else would they hold such indefensible views?
| 1251 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:00:12am |
re: #1182 MandyManners
Nice way to wield that broad brush! And, full of shit.
Big difference between asking someone and using the weight of the government to FORCE them.
Oh please. I never said, or advocated, "using the weight of the gov't FORCING someone to quit". You have a reading comprehension problem.
BTW, nice way to wield that strawman.
| 1252 |
Rancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:00:39am |
re: #1204 Honorary Yooper
You have the right to frequent an establishment that caters to your preferences or open up an such an establishment yourself if you feel there is such an overwhelming demand for them. You shouldn't have the right to change all establishments to meet your preferences.
| 1253 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:01:03am |
re: #1224 MandyManners
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
...just because some moistened bink lobbed a scimitar at you...
| 1254 |
chedgeman Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:01:11am |
re: #1212 jill e
Sorry Dan. Ever hear of "You broke it, you own it?"
| 1255 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:01:19am |
re: #1244 JamesTKirk
Has anyone checked to see if medicinal marijuana is included anywhere in the thousand-page Health Care bill?
Someone yesterday [lawhawk, maybe?] was posting excerpted lines from the bill. Don't recall seeing anything about medicinal marijuana.
| 1256 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:01:38am |
re: #1132 Creeping Eruption
I'm with you. I am embarrassed to say that more than one of my college apartments was furnished with patio furniture that some fool was stupid enough to leave on their front porch at bar-time.
ha, you probably made shelves out of those plastic boxes you could find behind the supermarket too. And somehow cheap apartment decor always involves a brick or two.
| 1257 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:01:42am |
On this whole smoking/non-smoking ban business. Small town I grew up in used to have a Dunkin Donuts a stone throw from a bar. Open 24 hours, allowed to smoke there. Was always busy after last call. Donut shop changed owners and a no smoking policy was put in place. One month later, smoking was allowed due to loss of business. Never did recover. As it stands with the province wide smoking ban, instituted in my former town two years previous, there are only a couple bars/pubs. All the other places folded like a pup tent in a wind storm. Seems most people preferred to drink at home where they could smoke.
| 1258 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:02:07am |
re: #1251 iceweasel
Oh please. I never said, or advocated, "using the weight of the gov't FORCING someone to quit". You have a reading comprehension problem.
BTW, nice way to wield that strawman.
then what the hell is the reason for supporting bans on smoking?...reread your own posts...you are the one that connected the two...wtf?
| 1259 |
jill e Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:02:25am |
I've always wondered about the fact that nicotine is a drug and smokers are generally addicted to nicotine. Where does the Americans With Disabilities Act come into this? It doesn't cover "illegal" drugs but obviously nicotine is legal. Are people with addictions being discriminated against?
By the way, I have never smoked and I hate cigarette smoke, but I agree with Walter.
| 1260 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:02:26am |
So, will they just be having beer, or will Gates suggest that they all play a game as part of the "teaching experience"?
| 1261 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:02:37am |
re: #1240 turn
I bet you iceweasel thinks just like that stooopid racist Gates.
/
You do get a lot of piling on, hang in there.
Cheers turn. We often disagree but I like that about you. I value intelligent disagreement and I think you're cool.
Thanks again. :)
| 1262 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:02:57am |
REPOSTED
P.S.A to any and all teens/young adults who don't smoke or who are just starting their smoking careers.
DON'T DO IT. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT LIES AHEAD. IT IS NOT COOL. IT IS NOT HIP. FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT YOU HOLD DEAR--INDEPENDENCE, FREEDOM, THE ABILITY TO WALK, THE ABILITY TO BREATHE, THE ABILITY TO FUCKING EAT FOOD--DON'T SMOKE.
| 1263 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:03:02am |
re: #1249 Van Helsing
I think the problem here Walter, is that you're making direct, easy to understand statements.
Try being more 'nuanced'.
I'm done with this subject for today. If anyone needs nuance to understand these simple ideas, concepts that have made this country what it is, foundations that have been in place for over 200 years, if those things need to be explained to any adult in this country, then I leave it up to someone who is better than me, I'm not going to hand-hold someone on this.
| 1264 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:03:14am |
re: #1256 turn
ha, you probably made shelves out of those plastic boxes you could find behind the supermarket too. And somehow cheap apartment decor always involves a brick or two.
The cement block and board entertainment center/bookcase was a staple.
| 1265 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:03:16am |
re: #1246 Gus 802
We should. If it's done right. But, we are talking government. ;)
Aye, and I really stepped in it up-thread, so I'm going to keep my mouth shut about nanny-statism until I am absolutely sure my brain is wired to my tongue.
| 1266 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:03:20am |
re: #1255 Gang of One
Someone yesterday [lawhawk, maybe?] was posting excerpted lines from the bill. Don't recall seeing anything about medicinal marijuana.
No wonder the hardcore lefties are in a tither.
| 1267 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:03:30am |
| 1268 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:03:49am |
re: #1237 Lincolntf
They just passed the smoking ban in NC. Ridiculous. It's freakin' North Carolina!
I am good friends with a "college bar" owner in MA. The smoking ban went through up there a couple years ago. He was 50-50 on the idea. He had always hated the smoke, but didn't want to lose business, so he never banned it on his own. Common sense.
Now that it's been in effect for a while, business is in the shitter, there's a "cigar" bar next door that was opened right after the ban (different rules for those) that is doing well. My friend now spends a half hour every morning sweeping butts from the front of his establishment. The extra "in-out" traffic generated by smokers popping out for a smoke means he keeps an extra bouncer at the door for all busy shifts. Costs him cash. In the winter, what used to be a bar full of college kids smoking cigs and an occasional cigar while watching football is now silent as a tomb on Saturdays and Sundays. It only takes one smoker in a group of ten people for them to change their plans to a smoking friendly venue. Great for the new cigar bars, Legion posts and "buy a cup" keggers, not so good for the small businessman.
We've had at least three bars where I live go out of business within a year after our smoking ban came into effect for this reason. And the argument about workers being "forced" to endure the smoke doesn't fly either. We spoke to numerous wait staff and bar owners when the ban was being debated who said they chose to work there because the could smoke on the job.
| 1269 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:03:52am |
re: #1034 albusteve
I'm almost positive that quitting smoking is harder than it was when I did it... I smoked a few years in college and then stopped cold... it wasn't that difficult, mostly I missed the hand habit. Friends and some family members had the same experience (80's). Now, I have a kid in college who has made a few abortive attempts to quit and it it truly agony for him ... he hasn't managed to do it yet. The cigarettes have to be formulated differently, and not in a good way.
| 1270 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:04:06am |
re: #1243 albusteve
yes, well put, that's precisely why I label this behavior unAmerican...because it is
It's the philosophy behind the Nanny State.
| 1271 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:04:13am |
re: #1259 jill e
I've always wondered about the fact that nicotine is a drug and smokers are generally addicted to nicotine. Where does the Americans With Disabilities Act come into this? It doesn't cover "illegal" drugs but obviously nicotine is legal. Are people with addictions being discriminated against?
By the way, I have never smoked and I hate cigarette smoke, but I agree with Walter.
Caffeine is also addictive. Try banning that and us addicts will get truly violent.
| 1272 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:04:28am |
re: #1247 eschew_obfuscation
Heh... If second hand smoke were as much a health risk as it is said to be, all the baby boomers would be dying of lung cancer. Most people smoked when I was a kid.
My folks barely smoked and weren't smoking when I was a kid. As a teen most of my friends smoked. I didn't start until I was about 30 years old.
There are a lot health risks in many legal substances. If one argues that smoking is harmful for environmental reason as well as health reasons then that at least covers other harmful substances and foods that are for the time being, "legal."
On the food end it could become a matter of "controlling" what foods are being served. I made a joke about "2nd hand meat" earlier but what is stopping them from banning cooking odors in public places if they find those air borne particles to be harmful to human health.
| 1273 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:04:39am |
re: #1153 iceweasel
I agree with you-- but smokers genuinely don't understand how disgusting it is to non-smokers. They think nonsmokers are being prissy or nasty or annoying when they object to the presence of smoke near them. They don't understand because they literally do not smell what we do. They don't know that they smell of it; they don't know that it clings to everything.
When I was a nonsmoker, I hated being in close proximity to smoke, but I just avoided those places. When I was a smoker, I lost my ability to smell or detect it, so those places didn't bother me.
As an exsmoker, I know that these are the places where someone who is trying to quit is most tempted.
Apart from the issues about the health of others, it really isn't some major oppression to ask people to step outside to smoke.
There are plenty of things in life that annoy me. You for example :)...but I don't go out and try to get the government to sanction my annoyance.
It's the hyper sensitivity that drives me nuts.
| 1274 |
jill e Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:05:01am |
re: #1238 MandyManners
Book-marked and hearted.
Have you sent that to Charles?
No. Hopefully he sees it.
| 1276 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:05:40am |
re: #1262 MandyManners
REPOSTED
P.S.A to any and all teens/young adults who don't smoke or who are just starting their smoking careers.
DON'T DO IT. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT LIES AHEAD. IT IS NOT COOL. IT IS NOT HIP. FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT YOU HOLD DEAR--INDEPENDENCE, FREEDOM, THE ABILITY TO WALK, THE ABILITY TO BREATHE, THE ABILITY TO FUCKING EAT FOOD--DON'T SMOKE.
I'd like this to be posted in a thread every day, honestly. I'd upding it everytime.
| 1277 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:05:43am |
re: #1271 JamesTKirk
Caffeine is also addictive. Try banning that and us addicts will get truly violent.
The.Truth.
Full Stop.
Road rage, imagine the road rage.
| 1278 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:05:50am |
re: #1265 Gang of One
Aye, and I really stepped in it up-thread, so I'm going to keep my mouth shut about nanny-statism until I am absolutely sure my brain is wired to my tongue.
I didn't notice if you did. My brain is still not fully wired to my hand yet either. I'm working with "2nd hand" synaptic impulses. /
| 1279 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:05:57am |
re: #1271 JamesTKirk
At least we have science on our side now... for most people, caffeine has health benefits when not overused or if not precluded by a medical condition.
| 1280 |
wrenchwench Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:06:06am |
re: #1212 jill e
From your link:
Tears welled in the lifelong reporter’s eyes as he discussed the dwindling number of war correspondents.
I think he's losing it.
| 1281 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:06:29am |
re: #1271 JamesTKirk
Caffeine is also addictive. Try banning that and us addicts will get truly violent.
Speak for yourself. I just get apathetic without my caffeine.
| 1283 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:06:58am |
| 1285 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:07:23am |
re: #1262 MandyManners
"If you believe in yourself, drink your school, stay in drugs, and don't do milk - you can get work!"
-Mr. T (as parodied on SNL)
| 1286 |
DaddyG Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:07:40am |
re: #1271 JamesTKirk
Caffeine is also addictive. Try banning that and us addicts will get truly violent.
I just went caffeine free because of my heart. Not even a Dr. Pepper. Even as a non-smoker, non-coffee drinker, etc. It is a Pain in the butt to wean yourself!
| 1287 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:07:47am |
re: #1251 iceweasel
Oh please. I never said, or advocated, "using the weight of the gov't FORCING someone to quit". You have a reading comprehension problem.
BTW, nice way to wield that strawman.
It's not nice to fool mother nature, or insult Mandy Manners.
running away.
| 1288 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:07:55am |
re: #1280 wrenchwench
Dan's as addled as a bull who wandered into a milking shed.
/since he so loves those aphorisms/
| 1289 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:08:29am |
| 1290 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:08:59am |
re: #1267 victor_yugo
FTFY
...nice catch...didn't know it was bint...
found this def in urban dictionary:
Bint
English slang for a whore or bitch. Similar to a tart.
"Look...you can't proclaim yourself king just because some moistend bint lobbed a scimitar at you." -Monty Python, Holy Grail
| 1291 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:09:31am |
Apache Takes Out 4 Insurgents With A Hellfire Missile In Iraq
| 1292 |
jill e Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:10:27am |
re: #1283 MandyManners
I hit the REPORT button on your No. 1212.
Maybe I'll get to go to the principal's office.
| 1293 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:10:29am |
re: #1289 albusteve
Could be. It might be a gang/mob related hit. We'll have to see what develops.
| 1294 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:10:38am |
re: #1291 Killgore Trout
Apache Takes Out 4 Insurgents With A Hellfire Missile In Iraq
Wow, I knew open source software could be good, but DAMN!
| 1295 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:10:40am |
re: #1287 midwestgak
It's not nice to fool mother nature, or insult Mandy Manners.
running away.
Please. She misread me and she was wrong.
BTW, I already updinged her, and posted a comment, in support of something she said later that I thought was right.
It's not nice to blindly support, or blindly hate, everything someone says.
| 1296 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:10:54am |
re: #1264 redstateredneck
The cement block and board entertainment center/bookcase was a staple.
"Coffee table" was made of a beer case with empties (for weight) and the glass door of an old stereo cabinet on top.
| 1297 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:11:16am |
re: #1272 Gus 802
My folks barely smoked and weren't smoking when I was a kid. As a teen most of my friends smoked. I didn't start until I was about 30 years old.
There are a lot health risks in many legal substances. If one argues that smoking is harmful for environmental reason as well as health reasons then that at least covers other harmful substances and foods that are for the time being, "legal."
On the food end it could become a matter of "controlling" what foods are being served. I made a joke about "2nd hand meat" earlier but what is stopping them from banning cooking odors in public places if they find those air borne particles to be harmful to human health.
I'm sure the food police are on their way. The "obese" are the new target of the nannies. That whole SUV thing didn't work out so well for them ... they're still highly popular.
| 1298 |
jill e Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:11:47am |
re: #1280 wrenchwench
I think he's losing it.
Dan's verging on his own "Checkers speech." Wherever he is, Richard Nixon's probably hee heeing.
| 1299 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:11:48am |
I used to be sceptical about the harm done by second hand smoking until I opened my computer up and had a look at the fan. After only three years of being exposed to the smoke in the house, it was completely blocked up with cigarette tar.
| 1300 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:12:03am |
re: #1297 eschew_obfuscation
I'm sure the food police are on their way. The "obese" are the new target of the nannies. That whole SUV thing didn't work out so well for them ... they're still highly popular.
Next on Dateline -- incendiary devices concealed on obese people to "prove" how unsafe they are!
| 1301 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:12:14am |
re: #1152 Gus 802
Gracias. What would they do create another department or service? Let's see, Internal Obesity Service (IOS) under the umbrella of the FDA. A bunch of GPO brochures on "junk food," mandates, regulations, and programs.
Not to mention the token obesity czar. Nothing comes to mind for that pick, I keep checking them off as too fat.
| 1302 |
bloodnok Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:12:44am |
re: #1295 iceweasel
Please. She misread me and she was wrong.
BTW, I already updinged her, and posted a comment, in support of something she said later that I thought was right.
It's not nice to blindly support, or blindly hate, everything someone says.
Downding. (Just because you're a lib.)
/ :p
| 1303 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:13:59am |
re: #1297 eschew_obfuscation
I'm sure the food police are on their way. The "obese" are the new target of the nannies. That whole SUV thing didn't work out so well for them ... they're still highly popular.
Yes. Eventually it will happen. I see it as a logical progression of existing regulations. Once these behaviors are tied with health care and a "collective good" it will snowball. Not saying it will happen anytime soon but we are headed in that direction.
| 1304 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:14:23am |
re: #1302 bloodnok
Downding. (Just because you're a lib.)
/ :p
Damn you! DAMN YOU! *shakes tiny lib fist*
/ :)
| 1305 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:14:59am |
re: #1297 eschew_obfuscation
I'm sure the food police are on their way. The "obese" are the new target of the nannies. That whole SUV thing didn't work out so well for them ... they're still highly popular.
Followed shortly by the physical exercise police. Herding people out of theri homes at 6:00 AM every day to make sure they do their citizen's duty and stay in shape...
///
| 1306 |
wrenchwench Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:15:01am |
re: #1298 jill e
Dan's verging on his own "Checkers speech." Wherever he is, Richard Nixon's probably hee heeing.
And Nixon was so cute when he giggled.
| 1307 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:15:07am |
1 week to vacation and my nerves are shot.
Effin' boss is a complete horses rearend.
MIL coming in on Tuesday and my last day is next Thurs.
Rough week ahead.
But I've got alcohol.
I will survive.
| 1308 |
bloodnok Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:15:22am |
re: #1304 iceweasel
Damn you! DAMN YOU! *shakes tiny lib fist*
/ :)
Heh. That was a typical lib response.
/
| 1309 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:15:53am |
re: #1290 Charpete67
Strange... the Islamists should be up in arms over that slang, since ' Bint ' translates roughly into
'daughter' in arabic... it's the female equivalent of Abu or Bin.
Can't tell you how many mares (arabs) pedigrees I have researched where the dam names go something like' Bint bint Shala', or fill in any other name, meaning daughter of the daughter of ___(any name).
| 1310 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:16:18am |
re: #1276 iceweasel
I'd like this to be posted in a thread every day, honestly. I'd upding it everytime.
It truly is a terrible addiction.
| 1311 |
DaddyG Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:16:29am |
Big government nanny-state programs raise my blood pressure. Time to start legislating against them for the good of the collective!
| 1312 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:17:12am |
re: #1301 turn
Not to mention the token obesity czar. Nothing comes to mind for that pick, I keep checking them off as too fat.
You mean like the Surgeon General. I'm reading now and it looks like there are some people calling for something like an "obesity czar." I suppose that would be covered by a "health czar."
I think we need a "czar czar" to get rid of the czars.
| 1314 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:17:38am |
re: #1294 victor_yugo
Those are some very lucky insurgents.
| 1315 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:17:42am |
Guy on the radio suggested that some one should be sure to shake Gates beer before handing it to him tonight.
| 1316 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:17:50am |
Back in 1978, F. Paul Wilson wrote a short story about a future in which America has socialized medicine, with all that entails (the Food Police banning things that are unhealthy, etc.) Prescient.
[Link: billstclair.com...]
| 1317 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:17:52am |
re: #1310 MandyManners
It truly is a terrible addiction.
Tell me about it. I've been off them for about 4.5 weeks and still at least once an hour I'm having a fit.
| 1318 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:18:16am |
re: #1309 tradewind
...maybe you just opened up that can of worms.../
| 1319 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:18:27am |
re: #1299 Jimmah
I used to be sceptical about the harm done by second hand smoking until I opened my computer up and had a look at the fan. After only three years of being exposed to the smoke in the house, it was completely blocked up with cigarette tar.
Yes. It's scary, but it's true. I wish the US would approve e-cigarettes, to be honest. My friends in the UK who have been using them to quit say they're great.
I suspect the tobacco lobbies are blocking it.
| 1320 |
ArchangelMichael Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:18:48am |
re: #1312 Gus 802
You mean like the Surgeon General. I'm reading now and it looks like there are some people calling for something like an "obesity czar." I suppose that would be covered by a "health czar."
I think we need a "czar czar" to get rid of the czars.
That should be in the top 5 policy positions of whoever runs against Obama in 2012. Clean out the czars.
| 1322 |
Rancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:19:10am |
re: #1297 eschew_obfuscation
I'm sure the food police are on their way. The "obese" are the new target of the nannies. That whole SUV thing didn't work out so well for them ... they're still highly popular.
"Unhealthy" foods are now sin taxed and the obese will be punished if socialized health care passes. CAFE Standards actually led to more SUVs.
Station wagons were very popular prior to CAFE. Those vehicles were particularly popular among families because of the room they afforded multiple passengers. When CAFE became law, automakers could not create station wagons that met the higher fuel efficiency standards for cars, so the companies nixed the popular models.Car manufacturers still seeking a product that would make consumers happy and comply with government regulations found their solution in the SUV.
| 1323 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:19:23am |
re: #1200 Creeping Eruption
I hated climbing over walls with broken glass on them when I was kid. There was convent near my house that had glass embedded in the top of the stone wall. A convent! WTF?
What were you doing climbing over convent walls? Escaping, or sneaking in for a romantic episode?
| 1325 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:19:48am |
Let’s Break up the Fed (why I don't trust anything from the WSJ op-ed section anymore)
| 1326 |
jcm Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:20:20am |
re: #1319 iceweasel
Yes. It's scary, but it's true. I wish the US would approve e-cigarettes, to be honest. My friends in the UK who have been using them to quit say they're great.
I suspect the tobacco lobbies are blocking it.
Co-worker, is using e-cigs, so he can get his nicotine fix in his cube. He still takes his breaks outside to smoke the real thing.
| 1327 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:20:28am |
re: #1310 MandyManners
It truly is a terrible addiction.
It really is. And it's HARD for most people to quit. I get angry when people say "just quit". The relapse rate is higher than it is for heroin addicts! 85%.
And the health effects are devastating, but I know you know that better than almost anyone.
| 1328 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:20:34am |
Racist evicted from house following campaign against Polish neighbour:
[Link: www.paisleydailyexpress.co.uk...]
RACIST neighbour from hell Brian Waters threatened to KILL his Polish neighbour.
And in a historic move Waters has been evicted for racism by Renfrewshire Council.
The tough action is believed to be the first of its kind in Scotland because tenants are usually booted out for drugs-related problems.
Shamed Waters did not even attempt to challenge the court and council action.
Yesterday his relieved and extremely shy victim – who asked not to be named – told the Paisley Daily Express: “He was physically abusive when he was drunk on a few occasions.
“He was evicted yesterday, and I am very pleased.”
| 1329 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:21:08am |
re: #1320 ArchangelMichael
That should be in the top 5 policy positions of whoever runs against Obama in 2012. Clean out the czars.
Didn't communists used to hate czars?
| 1330 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:21:32am |
Thankfully it's only going to get up to 97 degrees today.
| 1331 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:21:36am |
re: #1323 Alouette
What were you doing climbing over convent walls? Escaping, or sneaking in for a romantic episode?
It was walled off, so presumably I was not supposed to go there. No other reason.
| 1332 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:21:46am |
re: #1325 Killgore Trout
Let’s Break up the Fed (why I don't trust anything from the WSJ op-ed section anymore)
Auditing the Fed is a good idea - as is generally auditing all the government agencies and departments. They should be held accountable. However, breaking up the fed is a nonstarter and makes no sense at all.
| 1333 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:21:54am |
| 1334 |
razorbacker Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:22:08am |
I have seen nicotine compared to cocaine as far as the addictive nature of the drug.
Is there any other drug than tobacco so addictive, yet with so many former users?
| 1335 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:22:39am |
re: #1320 ArchangelMichael
That should be in the top 5 policy positions of whoever runs against Obama in 2012. Clean out the czars.
Maybe someone will take note. Could make some good advertising shorts featuring "Obama's Czarist Cabinet." ;)
| 1336 |
avanti Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:22:44am |
re: #1322 Rancher
I just bought a small SUV, a Kia Soul. I used the cash for clunkers rebate and got a $4500 trade for my 15 MPG pickup toward the 30 MPG Kia.
| 1337 |
funky chicken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:23:07am |
Important link from Thobert, but NSFW, and homosexual oriented. But read it for an exploration of why anal sex is really dangerous and should not be practiced. It's really tragic that PC idiocy stopped communication of information that would have limited the spread of HIV in the gay community. It's also tragic that this failure has lead directly to the normalization of this dangerous conduct into the hetero community and increasing pressure on women to engage in something that puts them at much higher risk of disease.
Really--anatomy doesn't lie, and the rectum's tissues are far more fragile than others, which leads to highly increased risk of infection.
[Link: www.man2manalliance.org...]
| 1338 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:23:13am |
re: #1334 razorbacker
I have seen nicotine compared to cocaine as far as the addictive nature of the drug.
Is there any other drug than tobacco so addictive, yet with so many former users?
socialism?
| 1339 |
DaddyG Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:23:21am |
re: #1334 razorbacker
I have seen nicotine compared to cocaine as far as the addictive nature of the drug.
Is there any other drug than tobacco so addictive, yet with so many former users?
Big Macs /
| 1340 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:23:29am |
re: #1319 iceweasel
I remember reading about that a while back - I think I will give that a try. I've managed to cut my smoking down to less than 10 a day, but I'd really like to be able to quit altogether.
| 1341 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:23:54am |
re: #1332 lawhawk
Auditing the Fed is a good idea - as is generally auditing all the government agencies and departments.
Not really. The fed works because it's independent and not subject to political influence. I strongly suspect (and hope) that Obama has enough sense to veto that bill if it passes.
| 1342 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:24:05am |
re: #1250 albusteve
they like the attention, why else would they hold such indefensible views?
We all like the attention, and not all of us agree. Just saying ...
| 1343 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:24:13am |
re: #1334 razorbacker
I have seen nicotine compared to cocaine as far as the addictive nature of the drug.
Is there any other drug than tobacco so addictive, yet with so many former users?
There's sex. Addictive as hell to single guys, but then they get married and...
| 1344 |
ArchangelMichael Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:24:24am |
re: #1329 JamesTKirk
Didn't communists used to hate czars?
They did until they changed the names to Chairman and Commissar.
| 1345 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:24:45am |
re: #1325 Killgore Trout
Let’s Break up the Fed (why I don't trust anything from the WSJ op-ed section anymore)
I'm surprised your head isn't spinning KT. The author (Amar Bhide) is critical of the Fed but at the same time a Harvard graduate and member of the Council on Foreign Relations. How do you reconcile that? Do you think Bhide is a Paulian?
| 1346 |
Gus Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:24:58am |
Well, time to plot, scheme and fret. Unfortunately the fretting doesn't involve a guitar.
Later.
| 1347 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:25:09am |
re: #1320 ArchangelMichael
That should be in the top 5 policy positions of whoever runs against Obama in 2012. Clean out the czars.
I think it would be more accurate to describe this recent explosion of czars as commissars...
| 1348 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:25:10am |
re: #1319 iceweasel
Yes. It's scary, but it's true. I wish the US would approve e-cigarettes, to be honest. My friends in the UK who have been using them to quit say they're great.
I suspect the tobacco lobbies are blocking it.
They have Ecigarettes. At least they have them in malls in Tampa. After initial purchase, the Esmoke rep said it would be the equivalent of $1.60 a pack.
| 1349 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:25:25am |
re: #1303 Gus 802
Yes. Eventually it will happen. I see it as a logical progression of existing regulations. Once these behaviors are tied with health care and a "collective good" it will snowball. Not saying it will happen anytime soon but we are headed in that direction.
It may happen very soon. A precursor already exists in health insurance premiums that are based on whether or not one smokes or is over weight. From there, the argument will be that because your bad habits cost taxpayers money, they (the government) has an obligation to tax you more, even if you're not overweight due to over eating. This is where the government getting involved in health insurance/care becomes problematic.
| 1350 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:25:36am |
| 1351 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:25:42am |
re: #1344 ArchangelMichael
They did until they changed the names to Chairman and Commissar.
GMTA...you beat me to it.
:)
| 1352 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:25:52am |
re: #1327 iceweasel
It really is. And it's HARD for most people to quit. I get angry when people say "just quit". The relapse rate is higher than it is for heroin addicts! 85%.
And the health effects are devastating, but I know you know that better than almost anyone.
It's like saying to an unemployed person, "get off your lazy butt and get a job!"
| 1353 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:26:37am |
re: #1352 Alouette
It's like saying to an unemployed person, "get off your lazy butt and get a job!"
Or saying to a liberal, "have you ever actually READ the Constitution?"
| 1354 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:26:45am |
re: #1344 ArchangelMichael
They did until they changed the names to Chairman and Commissar.
Don't mess around, uh oh
| 1355 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:27:21am |
re: #1352 Alouette
It's like saying to an unemployed person, "get off your lazy butt and get a job!"
I have a friend who actually can quit. For whatever reason, the cigarettes aren't addictive for her. She smoked when she danced, and then when she got out of that community she just stopped. Period. No withdrawal, no nothing.
| 1356 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:27:24am |
re: #1353 JamesTKirk
Or saying to a liberal, "have you ever actually READ the Constitution?"
/Got Cliffs notes for that?
| 1357 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:27:27am |
re: #1340 Jimmah
I remember reading about that a while back - I think I will give that a try. I've managed to cut my smoking down to less than 10 a day, but I'd really like to be able to quit altogether.
I'd support trying it. It seems like the best quitting aid I know of, from what I hear.
Mind you, I think it's actually more difficult to quit in the UK than the US, for many reasons. Depending on where you are in the US, it's easier to quit.
| 1358 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:27:29am |
re: #1261 iceweasel
Awww, thanks. Hey, can I try and get you to convince turnwife of that?
/
| 1359 |
JHW Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:27:50am |
The U.K. should be on the watch for wild Scandinavian illegal immigrants;
Dorset's Killing fields
| 1360 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:28:09am |
re: #1316 JamesTKirk
Spookily prescient. Read a story years ago from a Sci-Fi magazine, can't remember the title or the mag. Had a line, "He ate his de-caffinated breakfast". About a guy that's happy go lucky in a world where everything is banned. Caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, everything. Turns out his brain produces higher then normal endorphins so he's taken in and...adjusted.
| 1361 |
DaddyG Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:28:27am |
Is this old news or did I post at a bad time? I was pretty cheezed when I read the article.
re: #1227 DaddyG
A suitable topic for the Obama, Gates Crowley meeting...
"Associate Attorney General Thomas J. Perrelli, the No. 3 official in the Obama Justice Department, was consulted and ultimately approved a decision in May to reverse course and drop a civil complaint accusing three members of the New Black Panther Party of intimidating voters in Philadelphia during November's election..."
"The department's career lawyers in the Voting Section of the Civil Rights Division who pursued the complaint for five months had recommended that Justice seek sanctions against the party and three of its members after the government had already won a default judgment in federal court against the men."
"While the Obama administration has vowed a new era of openness, department officials have refused to answer questions from Republican members of Congress on why the case was dismissed, claiming the information was "privileged, according to congressional correspondence with the department."
"Mr. Perrelli, a prominent private practice attorney, served previously as a counsel to Attorney General Janet Reno in the Clinton administration and was an Obama supporter who raised more than $500,000 for the Democrat candidate in the 2008 elections."
| 1362 |
debutaunt Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:29:21am |
re: #1319 iceweasel
Yes. It's scary, but it's true. I wish the US would approve e-cigarettes, to be honest. My friends in the UK who have been using them to quit say they're great.
I suspect the tobacco lobbies are blocking it.
Yup. Governments are certainly addicted to all those taxes.
| 1363 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:29:26am |
re: #1315 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Gates has asked for a Red Stripe...kind of fits, given his leftist leanings.
| 1364 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:29:49am |
re: #1341 Killgore Trout
Any Government body that knows it will never be audited will develop serious inefficiencies over time.
Just because Ron Paul likes an idea doesn't mean it's poison.
| 1365 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:30:13am |
re: #1355 vxbush
I have a friend who actually can quit. For whatever reason, the cigarettes aren't addictive for her. She smoked when she danced, and then when she got out of that community she just stopped. Period. No withdrawal, no nothing.
That's what it was like for me. Kind of like a switch flipping off. I can't explain it.
| 1366 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:30:14am |
re: #1264 redstateredneck
The cement block and board entertainment center/bookcase was a staple.
Yes, yes it was. And the obligatory cat when the landlord wouldn't allow them. ha those were good old days.
| 1368 |
funky chicken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:30:48am |
I quit smoking. Yeah, it was hard. But I think a lot of the hysteria about smoking is over the top. Smoking for decades can ruin your health for sure, but promiscuity can ruin your health in a couple of years.
And anal sex really can kill you.
| 1369 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:31:10am |
re: #1355 vxbush
I have a friend who actually can quit. For whatever reason, the cigarettes aren't addictive for her. She smoked when she danced, and then when she got out of that community she just stopped. Period. No withdrawal, no nothing.
I smoked when I was a teenager, because it was "cool." Then when I started hanging around with people who didn't think it was "cool" I stopped. I was never much of a smoker so it wasn't hard to quit.
Now, losing weight, that is very hard.
| 1370 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:31:39am |
re: #1364 Lincolntf
Any Government body that knows it will never be audited will develop serious inefficiencies over time.
Just because Ron Paul likes an idea doesn't mean it's poison.
but,,, But ,,, BUT ,,, it's Ron Paul!!
TeaParties!!
Ron Paul!!
//
| 1371 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:31:41am |
AN INTERNET filter installed by the education department gave students access to pornographic material - but blocked educational sites.
One site a Year 10 student opened while searching for a type of bird contained graphic sexual material and was only barred on Monday after inquiries from The Daily Telegraph.
George Cochrane said his school-aged son and daughter, who study by distance education from their farm in Grenfell, were horrified by the sites they could access.
Other educational sites and harmless web pages for the local member of parliament - and even Education Minister Verity Firth's own site - have been blocked by the filter.
The Department of Education and Training confirmed that the filter would be used on thousands of laptops for high school students. It is also currently used on all computers in schools.
"My daughter typed in 'swallow', as in the bird, and it blocked access to a documentary on swallowing toothpaste but gave you access to a male site talking about inappropriate material," Mr Cochrane said.
"The system isn't actually protecting anybody, especially isolated kids."
An education department spokesman confirmed that the site had been blocked on Monday.
OOPS!
| 1372 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:31:50am |
re: #1259 jill e
I've always wondered about the fact that nicotine is a drug and smokers are generally addicted to nicotine. Where does the Americans With Disabilities Act come into this? It doesn't cover "illegal" drugs but obviously nicotine is legal. Are people with addictions being discriminated against?
No; the ADA simply insists that those with disabilities receive reasonable accommodation. Sticking smokers outside, well away from non-smokers, is reasonably accommodating.
Just for the sake of completeness: I quit seven or eight years ago, after a multiple-pack-a-day habit that went back decades. It was crazy hard. The occasional whiff of cigarette smoke doesn't bother me one way or the other now, but I will say that being in a smoke-filled room is now physically irritating if I'm there for more than a couple of minutes.
| 1373 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:32:05am |
re: #1345 Pianobuff
Do you think Bhide is a Paulian?
Possibly. I didn't bother to check because I don't take those op-eds seriously.
| 1374 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:32:14am |
re: #1295 iceweasel
It's not nice to blindly support, or blindly hate, everything someone says.
Agreed.
btw, you and Avanti and Bloodnok and Jimmah are getting along nicely.
| 1376 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:32:33am |
| 1377 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:32:44am |
re: #1348 Cannadian Club Akbar
They have Ecigarettes. At least they have them in malls in Tampa. After initial purchase, the Esmoke rep said it would be the equivalent of $1.60 a pack.
I did not know that. Last i heard (a couple of months ago) the FDA wouldn't approve them and you couldn't get them in the US.
Thanks.
| 1378 |
ArchangelMichael Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:32:45am |
re: #1347 LGoPs
I think it would be more accurate to describe this recent explosion of czars as commissars...
It would be nice to force this issue, but I'm not sure legislation to require the Executive branch to refer to Czars as "Commissars" would pass, and if it did Obama would veto... plus it probably would violate separation of powers.
Technically the term "Czar" isn't in their job description or title. It's just some crap the MFMSM made up in the 70s. There was only a couple of them until Obama though.
Maybe a "you cant have all these non-cabinet bureaucrats without a Constitutional Amendment" lawsuit could be arranged?
| 1379 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:32:45am |
re: #1365 iceweasel
That's what it was like for me. Kind of like a switch flipping off. I can't explain it.
Just curious. How are you about chewing tobacco? Personally I find it repulsive and hate the spitting part but I think it's fair to say that there are no second hand effects so the only negative impact is on the user.
| 1380 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:32:52am |
| 1381 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:33:08am |
re: #1369 Alouette
I smoked when I was a teenager, because it was "cool." Then when I started hanging around with people who didn't think it was "cool" I stopped. I was never much of a smoker so it wasn't hard to quit.
Now, losing weight, that is very hard.
For me, with my family genetics, that's impossible. So I threw out my scale years ago and said forget it. I try to exercise and only eat when I'm hungry, but I'm not going to tie myself to a number from an object made of sheet metal.
| 1382 |
bloodnok Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:33:11am |
re: #1370 sattv4u2
but,,, But ,,, BUT ,,, it's Ron Paul!!
TeaParties!!
Ron Paul!!
//
I think KT just gave a very good reason why it might not be a good idea that did not involve Ron Paul.
| 1383 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:33:17am |
re: #1374 midwestgak
It's not nice to blindly support, or blindly hate, everything someone says.
Agreed.
btw, you and Avanti and Bloodnok and Jimmah are getting along nicely.
| 1384 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:33:47am |
re: #1355 vxbush
I have a friend who actually can quit. For whatever reason, the cigarettes aren't addictive for her. She smoked when she danced, and then when she got out of that community she just stopped. Period. No withdrawal, no nothing.
My wife quit when she got pregnant. Cold turkey, no cheating.
| 1385 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:33:56am |
re: #1317 Pianobuff
Tell me about it. I've been off them for about 4.5 weeks and still at least once an hour I'm having a fit.
If it's really that bad, nicotine gum worked very well for me. Took care of the cravings and gave my otherwise unoccupied mouth something to do. And for some reason, giving up the gum was trivial; no withdrawal symptoms to speak of. Nothing like giving up the cigarettes themselves.
If you've made it this far, it's all downhill. It'll continue to get easier and easier every day. Congratulations.
| 1386 |
VegasRick Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:34:10am |
re: #1368 funky chicken
I quit smoking. Yeah, it was hard. But I think a lot of the hysteria about smoking is over the top. Smoking for decades can ruin your health for sure, but promiscuity can ruin your health in a couple of years.
And anal sex really can kill you.
Pain in the ass.
| 1387 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:34:12am |
re: #1330 Killgore Trout
Thankfully it's only going to get up to 97 degrees today.
It's going to be about that in Sac. I heard about the heat wave up there, I bet you some people like it for a change.
| 1388 |
Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:34:48am |
Morning/Afternoon Lizards. With all this talk about smoking I have been smoke free for 30 days now:)))
| 1389 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:34:58am |
re: #1376 turn
{vx} (sekrit LGF medicine)
Heh. Thanks, turn. You still taking care of that wife, I hope? She gets her medicine first.
| 1390 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:35:15am |
re: #1374 midwestgak
It's not nice to blindly support, or blindly hate, everything someone says.
Agreed.
btw, you and Avanti and Bloodnok and Jimmah are getting along nicely.
Tsk. You don't like it when people get along? :)
| 1391 |
Rancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:35:25am |
re: #1336 avanti
I just bought a small SUV, a Kia Soul. I used the cash for clunkers rebate and got a $4500 trade for my 15 MPG pickup toward the 30 MPG Kia.
If I could afford to I would jump at a chance to turn in my old ranch truck for a new one. The truck served five years on the ranch where it was really tore up, we tend to be pretty tough on our vehicles. I got to keep it for my thirty years loyal service when we sold the ranch. It's a 95 Toyota and certainly qualifies as a clunker but it's paid off so it stays untill it can't run anymore.
| 1392 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:35:41am |
re: #1378 ArchangelMichael
It would be nice to force this issue, but I'm not sure legislation to require the Executive branch to refer to Czars as "Commissars" would pass, and if it did Obama would veto... plus it probably would violate separation of powers.
Technically the term "Czar" isn't in their job description or title. It's just some crap the MFMSM made up in the 70s. There was only a couple of them until Obama though.
Maybe a "you cant have all these non-cabinet bureaucrats without a Constitutional Amendment" lawsuit could be arranged?
Even if it failed it would be valuable as a 'teaching point' for the American people. Instruct them on the origin of the word and while you're at it bring apparatchik into the conversation as well. We have plenty of those as well.
| 1393 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:35:43am |
| 1394 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:35:51am |
I started smoking once.
I rolled around for a bit and it went out.
/rimshot
| 1395 |
bloodnok Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:36:02am |
re: #1374 midwestgak
It's not nice to blindly support, or blindly hate, everything someone says.
Agreed.
btw, you and Avanti and Bloodnok and Jimmah are getting along nicely.
Thank you for noticing. Really. Have I been outed as a sekrit infiltrator? Are eyebrows raised?
Get real. Iceweasel makes good points. I don't agree with her core politics (I am a conservative -GASP!) but I can appreciate good points made well. Please worry about your own posts rather than who I am or am not dinging.
| 1396 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:36:48am |
re: #1385 SixDegrees
If it's really that bad, nicotine gum worked very well for me. Took care of the cravings and gave my otherwise unoccupied mouth something to do. And for some reason, giving up the gum was trivial; no withdrawal symptoms to speak of. Nothing like giving up the cigarettes themselves.
If you've made it this far, it's all downhill. It'll continue to get easier and easier every day. Congratulations.
I'm probably at the point where it's purely psychological. Feels more like it's the "act" of smoking that I miss more than anything. I used a few pieces of gum early on, though. It's probably getting better... just doesn't feel that way all the time though. Thanks!!
| 1397 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:37:03am |
the NEA...should be busted up...funding porn now, on your dime
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:37:27am |
re: #1378 ArchangelMichael
It would be nice to force this issue, but I'm not sure legislation to require the Executive branch to refer to Czars as "Commissars" would pass, and if it did Obama would veto... plus it probably would violate separation of powers. Technically the term "Czar" isn't in their job description or title. It's just some crap the MFMSM made up in the 70s.
So there's nothing stopping us (or the non-Leftie media) from referring to them as "commissars" as often as possible.
| 1400 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:37:30am |
re: #1361 DaddyG
Now Holder can add that gem to his resume, along with the pardon of Marc Rich...
| 1401 |
jcm Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:37:40am |
Real Estate Reid / Pelousy et. al. to call for investigations!
*NOT*
Exxon Mobil profits plunge 66%
Exxon Mobil reported a 66% decline in second-quarter earnings Thursday due to weak energy demand and volatile oil prices.The world's largest publicly traded oil company said it earned $3.95 billion in the second quarter, down from $11.68 billion a year earlier. On a per-share basis, Exxon said it earned 81 cents, down from $2.22 in the second quarter of 2008.
| 1402 |
unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:38:03am |
re: #1341 Killgore Trout
Not really. The fed works because it's independent and not subject to political influence. I strongly suspect (and hope) that Obama has enough sense to veto that bill if it passes.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday
Forty-nine percent (49%) now say that America’s best days have come and gone. Just 38% believe they are still to come. Thirty-four percent (34%) say the country is heading in the right direction. Seventy-five percent (75%) want the Federal Reserve to be audited.
| 1403 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:38:03am |
Time out for me. Gonna go eat some cold Chinese food and think some things through.
| 1404 |
VegasRick Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:38:11am |
re: #1388 Erik The Red
Morning/Afternoon Lizards. With all this talk about smoking I have been smoke free for 30 days now:)))
Good for you! Any tips on how you did it?
| 1405 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:38:20am |
re: #1380 VioletTiger
Oh, the irony...
No, he's just being true to his democrat roots: the Government™ must solve everything, including problems in the media industry.
| 1406 |
Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:38:43am |
Shamuta, if you are still around I switched to Safari and it looks like it has taken care of the loading problems. Thanks for the advice.
| 1407 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:39:05am |
| 1408 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:39:10am |
re: #1382 bloodnok
I think KT just gave a very good reason why it might not be a good idea that did not involve Ron Paul.
An independent audit. (say by Price/ Waterhouse or some other prestigious firm) is not the same as an audit by some partisen packed congressinal commitee, and thats what I would support
| 1409 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:39:14am |
re: #1379 LGoPs
Just curious. How are you about chewing tobacco? Personally I find it repulsive and hate the spitting part but I think it's fair to say that there are no second hand effects so the only negative impact is on the user.
Well, for that I'm like I am about everything else-- I think people should be able to do whatever the hell they want, so long as they're not hurting other people. And it's not the gov't's job to tell people what to do.
It would disgust me personally to be around someone who does it because they have to spit all the time. And I think it would be disgusting to have public spitoons in bars or restaurants. (ugh, just imagine)
| 1410 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:39:20am |
re: #1397 albusteve
the NEA...should be busted up...funding porn now, on your dime
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Meanwhile, programs to teach kids music or other actual arts can't get funding
| 1412 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:39:48am |
re: #1364 Lincolntf
Just because Ron Paul likes an idea doesn't mean it's poison.
Ron Paul aside, it's a bad idea because it's a bad idea. Central Bank Independence vs Inflation. Giving Congress the ability to audit the fed moves us to the left on that chart. The current EU central bank (not shown on that chart) is modeled after the old German Fed. This would give the EU a significant advantage. Also, Do you really want Pelosi, Reid and Barney frank control over the Fed? When was the was time congress showed anything even close to resembling financial responsibility? This current congress is the most financially irresponsible we've seen in recent history. I really don't think it would be a good idea to expand their power to fuck up the central bank too.
| 1413 |
Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:39:50am |
re: #1396 Pianobuff
I'm probably at the point where it's purely psychological. Feels more like it's the "act" of smoking that I miss more than anything. I used a few pieces of gum early on, though. It's probably getting better... just doesn't feel that way all the time though. Thanks!!
Stick with it. I am using the gum and have found quitting a lot easier than I remember. I smoked +30 a day. Good Luck.
| 1414 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:40:03am |
re: #1402 unrealizedviewpoint
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday
Forty-nine percent (49%) now say that America’s best days have come and gone. Just 38% believe they are still to come. Thirty-four percent (34%) say the country is heading in the right direction. Seventy-five percent (75%) want the Federal Reserve to be audited.
How many of those 75% even know what the federal reserve does, I wonder?
| 1415 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:40:36am |
re: #1399 JamesTKirk
So there's nothing stopping us (or the non-Leftie media) from referring to them as "commissars" as often as possible.
"Apparatchik" is an equally good synonym.
| 1416 |
VegasRick Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:40:55am |
re: #1408 sattv4u2
An independent audit. (say by Price/ Waterhouse or some other prestigious firm) is not the same as an audit by some partisen packed congressinal commitee, and thats what I would support
The results will astound us for sure. Filth thieves!
| 1417 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:41:20am |
re: #1414 eschew_obfuscation
How many of those 75% even know what the federal reserve does, I wonder?
Most common response amongst the 75%: "I'm sure it has something to do with Jewish bankers."
| 1418 |
DaddyG Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:41:26am |
re: #1402 unrealizedviewpoint
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday
Forty-nine percent (49%) now say that America’s best days have come and gone. Just 38% believe they are still to come. Thirty-four percent (34%) say the country is heading in the right direction. Seventy-five percent (75%) want the Federal Reserve to be audited.
In a related story 85% think the Federal Reserve is a hunting club for Senators and 15% answered Ron Paul to any questions asked of them. /
| 1419 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:41:32am |
re: #1388 Erik The Red
Morning/Afternoon Lizards. With all this talk about smoking I have been smoke free for 30 days now:)))
Hey Erik that's only because the government outlawed smoking in bars and restaurants, right? Just kidding, as you know this thread has been a give and take on personal right in regards to smoking. Congradulations, you are going to make it.
| 1420 |
unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:42:26am |
re: #1414 eschew_obfuscation
How many of those 75% even know what the federal reserve does, I wonder?
LOL. You may be right...
Audit someone/thing? Oh yeah..I think they should be audited.
| 1421 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:42:32am |
re: #1401 jcm
Real Estate Reid / Pelousy et. al. to call for investigations!
*NOT*
To put things in perspective: this is the year-over-year price. At this time last year, gas was at it's all-time high, over four bucks a gallon. Oil prices now are roughly half what they were then.
| 1422 |
Rancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:42:32am |
re: #1361 DaddyG
Is this old news or did I post at a bad time? I was pretty cheezed when I read the article.
"Associate Attorney General Thomas J. Perrelli, the No. 3 official in the Obama Justice Department, was consulted and ultimately approved a decision in May to reverse course and drop a civil complaint accusing three members of the New Black Panther Party of intimidating voters in Philadelphia during November's election..."
I heard this on FOX today, I thought it had been dropped long ago.
| 1423 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:42:58am |
re: #1364 Lincolntf
Any Government body that knows it will never be audited will develop serious inefficiencies over time.
Just because Ron Paul likes an idea doesn't mean it's poison.
re: #1402 unrealizedviewpoint
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday
Forty-nine percent (49%) now say that America’s best days have come and gone. Just 38% believe they are still to come. Thirty-four percent (34%) say the country is heading in the right direction. Seventy-five percent (75%) want the Federal Reserve to be audited.
It's a vast Paulian, Tea-bagging, Rasmussen-NWO, Alex Jones, Reptilian Shape-shifter conspiracy to make 75% of those polled look like truther/nirther/freeper/reefer/rapper/twizzlers. Didn't you know that?
| 1424 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:44:07am |
re: #1420 unrealizedviewpoint
LOL. You may be right...
Audit someone/thing? Oh yeah..I think they should be audited.
Just because Joe Six Pack could'nt tell the difference between the Federal Reserve and a Double Reverse does NOT mean it shouldn't be done
| 1425 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:44:12am |
re: #1337 funky chicken
Important link from Thobert, but NSFW, and homosexual oriented. But read it for an exploration of why anal sex is really dangerous and should not be practiced. It's really tragic that PC idiocy stopped communication of information that would have limited the spread of HIV in the gay community. It's also tragic that this failure has lead directly to the normalization of this dangerous conduct into the hetero community and increasing pressure on women to engage in something that puts them at much higher risk of disease.
Really--anatomy doesn't lie, and the rectum's tissues are far more fragile than others, which leads to highly increased risk of infection.
[Link: www.man2manalliance.org...]
Well, what the hell. Everyone is freaking out over what I said about smoking, so I'll say this:
I support anal sex. People who engage in it should know all the facts about health and anatomy and think carefully, but I support it.
(BTW, i also support Throbert's frot crusade.)
| 1426 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:44:12am |
Just for the record:
I congratulate any and every lizard who has stopped smoking. If I had to give up chocolate, I don't think I could do it. I would be setting up the black market in case it was outlawed.
| 1428 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:44:41am |
re: #1421 SixDegrees
It was the Speculators, Stupid!
(stupid not aimed at lizards)_
| 1429 |
Erik The Red Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:44:42am |
re: #1419 turn
What? Smokers should have no rights and be locked up in jail. What a disgusting and stinky habit. :)
| 1430 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:44:50am |
re: #1389 vxbush
Heh. Thanks, turn. You still taking care of that wife, I hope? She gets her medicine first.
Oh yeah, thanks for thinking about her. She saw a specialist for her eyes and they prescribed some antibiotic drops. He didn't chose to do anything about her ear ache though. Is this thread still going? bbl "work"
| 1431 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:44:58am |
re: #1374 midwestgak
It's not nice to blindly support, or blindly hate, everything someone says.
Agreed.
btw, you and Avanti and Bloodnok and Jimmah are getting along nicely.
Well, duh! We're commie lefty troskyite bastards. This is how we roll./
The more right wing posters who agree with each other studiously refrain from updinging each other of course. That's just something you'd never see here/
| 1432 |
bloodnok Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:45:04am |
re: #1390 iceweasel
Tsk. You don't like it when people get along? :)
I'm sorry IW. Due to forces beyond my control I will no longer be able to ding you up. People are starting to suspect. They're on to me.
John Lennon knew about this only too well. *Sigh*
| 1433 |
jcm Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:45:17am |
re: #1421 SixDegrees
To put things in perspective: this is the year-over-year price. At this time last year, gas was at it's all-time high, over four bucks a gallon. Oil prices now are roughly half what they were then.
What's that, market forces affect profits? Who'd have thunk that!
/;-P
| 1436 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:45:57am |
| 1437 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:45:57am |
re: #1410 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Meanwhile, programs to teach kids music or other actual arts can't get funding
one of the last things I did before I went broke, was to help sponsor a summer 'camp' theater group for elementary kids...they put on three shows in a local park...they did their own sets, and makeup etc...it was an absolute riot...they worked so hard at it and were very proud of themselves...I despise the NEA
| 1438 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:46:00am |
re: #1395 bloodnok
Thank you for noticing. Really. Have I been outed as a sekrit infiltrator? Are eyebrows raised?
Get real. Iceweasel makes good points. I don't agree with her core politics (I am a conservative -GASP!) but I can appreciate good points made well. Please worry about your own posts rather than who I am or am not dinging.
I'll work on getting real. Thanks for the support and advice.//
| 1439 |
unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:46:37am |
re: #1388 Erik The Red
Morning/Afternoon Lizards. With all this talk about smoking I have been smoke free for 30 days now:)))
Congratulations. Stick it out, it's worth it. I'm 1 1/2 years out from 3-packs a day. Costs alone saved me over $8000 @ $5 each. One can't place a value on health, till it's completely gone anyway.
| 1440 |
turn Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:46:49am |
re: #1429 Erik The Red
What? Smokers should have no rights and be locked up in jail. What a disgusting and stinky habit. :)
There is only one smoker I would wish that on right now.
| 1441 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:46:50am |
Good nirther cartoon in The Examiner today:
[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
| 1442 |
ArchangelMichael Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:47:08am |
re: #1417 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Most common response amongst the 75%: "I'm sure it has something to do with Jewish bankers."
Fed Juice®
Now with more negative Zions!
| 1443 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:47:12am |
re: #1414 eschew_obfuscation
How many of those 75% even know what the federal reserve does, I wonder?
Probably a number similar to those that know what "audit" means.
| 1444 |
DaddyG Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:47:18am |
re: #1425 iceweasel
I support anal sex. People who engage in it should know all the facts about health and anatomy and think carefully, but I support it.
As a donor or recipient? This makes a difference in your credibility on the subject. /
| 1446 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:48:18am |
re: #1444 DaddyG
So tempted to go with the a-hole jokes here...
But no.
| 1447 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:48:31am |
re: #1336 avanti
Good for you. Many people are finding the process far more cumbersome than it should be. In some instances, the cutoffs are arbitrary.
Moreover, if everyone went out and bought cars under the program by November 1, 2009, it would replace a grand total of 222,222 vehicles altogether.
Annual vehicle sales in the US: nearly 20 million every year. That's a drop in the bucket of overall sales, and how many of the 222,222 vehicles sold under the program (if all are sold before the $1 billion for the program expires in November) are going to US automakers?
| 1448 |
jcm Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:48:36am |
re: #1443 SixDegrees
Probably a number similar to those that know what "audit" means.
audit; all growed up!
| 1449 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:48:53am |
re: #1419 turn
Hey Erik that's only because the government outlawed smoking in bars and restaurants, right? Just kidding, as you know this thread has been a give and take on personal right in regards to smoking. Congradulations, you are going to make it.
the debate was over property rights...smoking was the example but it could have been any variable...I'm suprised you missed that part of it...
| 1450 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:48:58am |
re: #1444 DaddyG
As a donor or recipient? This makes a difference in your credibility on the subject. /
Plead da fif!
| 1451 |
bloodnok Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:48:59am |
re: #1438 midwestgak
I'll work on getting real. Thanks for the support and advice.//
That's good to hear. In the meantime, keep watching those dings! We're all counting on you.
| 1452 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:49:04am |
| 1454 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:49:37am |
re: #1402 unrealizedviewpoint
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday
Forty-nine percent (49%) now say that America’s best days have come and gone. Just 38% believe they are still to come. Thirty-four percent (34%) say the country is heading in the right direction. Seventy-five percent (75%) want the Federal Reserve to be audited.
So, 75% of those surveyed are Paulians?
| 1455 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:50:06am |
re: #1432 bloodnok
I'm sorry IW. Due to forces beyond my control I will no longer be able to ding you up. People are starting to suspect. They're on to me.
John Lennon knew about this only too well. *Sigh*
That was awesome. :) I never saw that before.
*sob* I'll miss you but I'll slip you a note at the next Politburo meeting. I;ll be the one sitting on your left. :)
| 1456 |
Irish Rose Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:50:13am |
Good afternoon, lizards.
hRe: smoking in pub establishments, there's one more good reason for banning smoking.
I'm an asthmatic, as are many people. My lungs don't work properly when I breathe smoke, and when my lungs don't work properly, I can't breath... literally. You can die from an asthma attack.
It's not enough to just sit in the non smoking section of a bar or restaurant either, because the smoke carries over.
I don't have an issue with cigarettes, or smoking. But I do have an issue with people who somehow think that their right to smoke supercedes my need and right to breathe.
It's more of a hardship on people with breathing problems to have to breathe the smoke, than it is for smokers to have to step outside for a few minutes to smoke out of courtesy. And if you don't think so, then I have to ask what the hell kind of human being you are.
| 1457 |
ArchangelMichael Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:50:41am |
| 1458 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:50:59am |
re: #1437 albusteve
one of the last things I did before I went broke, was to help sponsor a summer 'camp' theater group for elementary kids...they put on three shows in a local park...they did their own sets, and makeup etc...it was an absolute riot...they worked so hard at it and were very proud of themselves...I despise the NEA
Steve... embrace the NEA... it's is good, you will be absorbed.
| 1459 |
Rancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:51:09am |
re: #1397 albusteve
the NEA...should be busted up...funding porn now, on your dime
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Nothing new, remember Robert Mapplethorpe's photographs and Andres Serrano's "Piss Christ"? Why the government should support the arts at all is an even better question. Censorship questions aside, who and what is supported will invariably be political. The government has no more business in the arts than it does in the automotive business.
| 1460 |
avanti Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:51:14am |
re: #1444 DaddyG
As a donor or recipient? This makes a difference in your credibility on the subject. /
I'm a pitcher, and only to female catchers.
| 1462 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:51:23am |
re: #1446 tradewind
So tempted to go with the a-hole jokes here...
But no.
I'm working very hard to hold myself back.
| 1463 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:51:31am |
I'm invading Antarctica and dethroning the Emperor.
I have thumbs. Huge advantage.
/sorry, just always wanted to tell someone that.
| 1464 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:51:35am |
| 1465 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:51:42am |
re: #1452 VioletTiger
From your link...
This will have TOTUS punching his 'prompter...
Overall, 48% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. That is the lowest level of total approval yet recorded for this President. Fifty-one percent (51%) now disapprove. A plurality of voters now believe the President views American society as unfair and discriminatory.
| 1466 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:52:04am |
re: #1458 Walter L. Newton
Steve... embrace the NEA... it's is good, you will be absorbed.
ooohhhmmm...
(I can feel it!)
| 1467 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:52:07am |
re: #1460 avanti
I'm a pitcher, and only to female catchers.
There's a much better hole less than two inches away.
| 1468 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:52:23am |
| 1469 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:52:30am |
re: #1456 Irish Rose
Good afternoon, lizards.
hRe: smoking in pub establishments, there's one more good reason for banning smoking.
I'm an asthmatic, as are many people. My lungs don't work properly when I breathe smoke, and when my lungs don't work properly, I can't breath... literally. You can die from an asthma attack.
It's not enough to just sit in the non smoking section of a bar or restaurant either, because the smoke carries over.
I don't have an issue with cigarettes, or smoking. But I do have an issue with people who somehow think that their right to smoke supercedes my need and right to breathe.
It's more of a hardship on people with breathing problems to have to breathe the smoke, than it is for smokers to have to step outside for a few minutes to smoke out of courtesy. And if you don't think so, then I have to ask what the hell kind of human being you are.
I concur with you, for the most part. Also an asthmatic who cannot breathe around cigarette and cigar smoke. Of course, now that I can't eat gluten, I can rarely eat out, so i don't have much reason to be in a restaurant with people smoking.
Hey, maybe that is the solution! Everyone who is an asthmatic should be allergic to wheat, and problems solved!
/major sarc
| 1470 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:52:32am |
re: #1409 iceweasel
Well, for that I'm like I am about everything else-- I think people should be able to do whatever the hell they want, so long as they're not hurting other people. And it's not the gov't's job to tell people what to do.
It would disgust me personally to be around someone who does it because they have to spit all the time. And I think it would be disgusting to have public spitoons in bars or restaurants. (ugh, just imagine)
As Frank Zappa said : "Hey man it's the 20th century so whatever you can do to have a good time so long as it doesn't cause a murder"
| 1471 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:52:36am |
re: #1444 DaddyG
As a donor or recipient? This makes a difference in your credibility on the subject. /
heh.
I'm a lib, I support equality. i also support rights I never intend to exercise myself.
| 1473 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:52:57am |
re: #1459 Rancher
Nothing new, remember Robert Mapplethorpe's photographs and Andres Serrano's "Piss Christ"? Why the government should support the arts at all is an even better question. Censorship questions aside, who and what is supported will invariably be political. The government has no more business in the arts than it does in the automotive business.
Art Czar in 5...4...3...
| 1474 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:53:50am |
re: #1463 SasquatchOnSteroids
I'm invading Antarctica and dethroning the Emperor.
I have thumbs. Huge advantage./sorry, just always wanted to tell someone that.
LOL! (That WAS a penguin joke, right?)
| 1475 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:53:52am |
re: #1456 Irish Rose
With all due sorrow re: your condition, don't you think it should be left up to the individual bar/ restaurant owner to make his/ her establishment smoke free or not?
The free market tells us that seeing there is a call for both types of places, you would be able to choose diners that offer smoke free, while those that wich to light up during their cocktails could!
(mind you ,,, I smoked 2 1/2 + packs for over 20 years, and have been smoke free for over 20 now)
| 1476 |
jcm Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:53:56am |
BALD BIRD PICTURE: New Songbird Sports Wispy "Mohawk"
Sporting a mostly bald head, this new songbird species, dubbed the bare-faced bulbul, has been discovered on rugged limestone peaks in Laos.The thrush-size creature is the first bald songbird yet discovered in mainland Asia and one of only 40 or so known bald songbirds in the world, say experts with the Wildlife Conservation Society and Australia's University of Melbourne, who found the species.
The bulbul, described in the current issue of the journal Forktail, is covered with greenish-olive feathers. The bird mostly lacks plumage on its face and head, with the exception of a mohawk-like line of wispy feathers down the center of its crown.
Researchers found the new species in forests growing on the sides of tower-like limestone structures called karsts.
| 1477 |
avanti Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:54:57am |
re: #1467 JamesTKirk
There's a much better hole less than two inches away.
The pitcher follows the catchers sign as to pitch placement, but occasionally you can miss the strike zone .
| 1478 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:55:10am |
re: #1456 Irish Rose
Good afternoon, lizards.
hRe: smoking in pub establishments, there's one more good reason for banning smoking.
I'm an asthmatic, as are many people. My lungs don't work properly when I breathe smoke, and when my lungs don't work properly, I can't breath... literally. You can die from an asthma attack.
It's not enough to just sit in the non smoking section of a bar or restaurant either, because the smoke carries over.
I don't have an issue with cigarettes, or smoking. But I do have an issue with people who somehow think that their right to smoke supercedes my need and right to breathe.
It's more of a hardship on people with breathing problems to have to breathe the smoke, than it is for smokers to have to step outside for a few minutes to smoke out of courtesy. And if you don't think so, then I have to ask what the hell kind of human being you are.
You don't have to breathe in smoke. Don't step into my establishment. Simple.
| 1479 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:55:26am |
re: #1412 Killgore Trout
Ron Paul aside, it's a bad idea because it's a bad idea. Central Bank Independence vs Inflation. Giving Congress the ability to audit the fed moves us to the left on that chart. The current EU central bank (not shown on that chart) is modeled after the old German Fed. This would give the EU a significant advantage. Also, Do you really want Pelosi, Reid and Barney frank control over the Fed? When was the was time congress showed anything even close to resembling financial responsibility? This current congress is the most financially irresponsible we've seen in recent history. I really don't think it would be a good idea to expand their power to fuck up the central bank too.
It's a bad idea becasue its a bad idea? Sorry that doesn't cinch it for me. Why assume congress would do the auditing?
| 1480 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:56:02am |
re: #1457 ArchangelMichael
His karma is only -12?
/
Oh, I think it might be higher than -12. Might give Space Jsus a run for his money ;)
| 1481 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:56:17am |
| 1482 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:56:31am |
re: #1425 iceweasel
re: #1337 funky chickenImportant link from Thobert... why anal sex is really dangerous and should not be practiced.I support anal sex. People who engage in it should know all the facts about health and anatomy and think carefully, but I support it.
I'm not clicking anywhere near Throbert's link while I'm at work (especially since a few of the other, presumably more innocuous, links that I have clicked on have been blocked), but I support the right of consenting adults to perform this and a variety of other acts in the privacy of their bedroom if they so choose. Ain't none of my (or your) business.
| 1483 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:57:19am |
re: #1479 FrogMarch
It's a bad idea becasue its a bad idea? Sorry that doesn't cinch it for me. Why assume congress would do the auditing?
please see my #1408. I never saw a response!
| 1484 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:57:56am |
re: #1478 Walter L. Newton
You don't have to breathe in smoke. Don't step into my establishment. Simple.
But what if I want to go out with friends who then want to go to your establishment? I appreciate both sides of the argument, but I would like to be able to enjoy going anywhere with my friends.
I would prefer it if each owner would carefully analyze their establishments to make sure that smoke doesn't carry into the nonsmoking section, but some aren't that careful.
| 1485 |
hous bin pharteen Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:58:19am |
re: #1397 albusteve
Interesting story. That, and the porn star running for congress. And her political rep gets his Audi convertible blown up. You can't make this stuff up.
| 1486 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:58:19am |
re: #1412 Killgore Trout
I'm not talking about "fucking it up". I'm talking about an audit. Just because you presume (perhaps correctly) that the most basic of oversight will result in more corruption or failure doesn't mean that we let the (probable) corruption and failure at the Fed. go unrecognized and unchecked.
Trim the legislation, make it as independent and "one-time" as possible. Do whatever it takes to avoid the silly barriers put up by people who simply don't want to open the books, and I'll be happy.
I'm not married to any philosophical point on this isssue except one. Accountability. We need some.
| 1487 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:58:31am |
re: #1479 FrogMarch
It's a bad idea becasue its a bad idea? Sorry that doesn't cinch it for me. Why assume congress would do the auditing?
I really wonder how many here have followed how the Fed's role would expand with the new financial reform package.
| 1488 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:58:36am |
re: #1465 tradewind
From your link...
This will have TOTUS punching his 'prompter...
Heh. He probably can't believe it, narcissist that he is.
| 1489 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:58:51am |
re: #1478 Walter L. Newton
You don't have to breathe in smoke. Don't step into my establishment. Simple.
Exhaled smoke is different. You cannot exhale porn or church. While I do think that private establishments should be able to choose if they are smoke-free or not - - The liberty of the non-smoker is just as important if not more important than the liberty of the smoker.
IMHO.
| 1490 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:58:54am |
re: #1393 JamesTKirk
Farrah Fawcett , may she rest in peace, would agree with you totally.
| 1491 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:59:06am |
re: #1484 vxbush
But what if I want to go out with friends who then want to go to your establishment? I appreciate both sides of the argument, but I would like to be able to enjoy going anywhere with my friends.
I would prefer it if each owner would carefully analyze their establishments to make sure that smoke doesn't carry into the nonsmoking section, but some aren't that careful.
Slowly, together, say... "Get new friends." :)
| 1493 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:59:36am |
re: #1460 avanti
I'm a pitcher, and only to female catchers.
I'm a lover, not a fighter. //
re: #1470 Jimmah
As Frank Zappa said : "Hey man it's the 20th century so whatever you can do to have a good time so long as it doesn't cause a murder"
As Mrs Patrick Campbell said in the 19th century, "My dear, I don't care what people so long as they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses."
| 1494 |
redneckkahfir Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:59:51am |
re: #1301 turn
Not to mention the token obesity czar. Nothing comes to mind for that pick, I keep checking them off as too fat.
Richard freakin simons, you just watch.
| 1496 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:59:59am |
re: #1488 VioletTiger
Yeah, he'll dismiss it as one of those bitter/clinger polls.
| 1497 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:00:00am |
re: #1484 vxbush
But what if I want to go out with friends who then want to go to your establishment? I appreciate both sides of the argument, but I would like to be able to enjoy going anywhere with my friends.
I would prefer it if each owner would carefully analyze their establishments to make sure that smoke doesn't carry into the nonsmoking section, but some aren't that careful.
That cuts both ways. As mentioned up-thread, groups of smoker friends will stop patronizing a place if they are not allowed to smoke there. They would also like to be allowed to go anywhere with their friends.
| 1498 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:00:05am |
re: #1493 iceweasel
As Mrs Patrick Campbell said in the 19th century, "My dear, I don't care what people do so long as they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses."
PIMF
| 1499 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:00:49am |
re: #1484 vxbush
But what if I want to go out with friends who then want to go to your establishment? I appreciate both sides of the argument, but I would like to be able to enjoy going anywhere with my friends.
I would prefer it if each owner would carefully analyze their establishments to make sure that smoke doesn't carry into the nonsmoking section, but some aren't that careful.
friends don't allow friends to breath smoke
| 1501 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:01:30am |
re: #1491 Walter L. Newton
Slowly, together, say... "Get new friends." :)
Heh. Nice.
I don't drink for personal reasons. But I have gone to bars with friends to celebrate new jobs, babies, moving, etc. I have never asked any bar to close down for my personal reasons.
I appreciate the civil liberty issues. I really do. But I really like to breathe. My life is limited in so many ways already, I'd like to expand what I can.
| 1502 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:02:09am |
re: #1484 vxbush
But what if I want to go out with friends who then want to go to your establishment? I appreciate both sides of the argument, but I would like to be able to enjoy going anywhere with my friends.
I would prefer it if each owner would carefully analyze their establishments to make sure that smoke doesn't carry into the nonsmoking section, but some aren't that careful.
Gov't intervention cost bar/ restaurant owners untold amounts of THEIR monies to retrofit their places (seperate rooms,,,new HVAC and exhaust sytems) to adhere to the smoke free section ordinances only to have smoking banned totally a few years later
Where do the restaurant owners go to get a rebate?
| 1503 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:02:11am |
re: #1489 FrogMarch
The thing about second hand smoke is that the molecules stick to clothing and material, and people who are sensitive are not making it up... they actually are exposed to the nicotine and byproducts even when there is no active smoke.
Smokers should wash hands and change shirts before hugging a kid with asthma.
| 1504 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:02:23am |
re: #1489 FrogMarch
Exhaled smoke is different. You cannot exhale porn or church. While I do think that private establishments should be able to choose if they are smoke-free or not - - The liberty of the non-smoker is just as important if not more important than the liberty of the smoker.
IMHO.
I respect you opinion, and yes, I think that non-smokers should not have to put up with cigarette smoke, and there are laws that help keep PUBLIC "airways" free of smoke.
Other than that, stay away from PRIVATE smoke. Your problem, not mine.
| 1506 |
Van Helsing Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:02:59am |
re: #1364 Lincolntf
Any Government body
that knows it will never be auditedwill develop serious inefficiencies over time.
Just because Ron Paul likes an idea doesn't mean it's poison.
Just in case it hasn't been done yet.
| 1507 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:03:10am |
re: #1495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gosh, you're old.
Thats not even counting the 15+ years BEFORE I started smoking!!
| 1508 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:03:22am |
re: #1497 eschew_obfuscation
That cuts both ways. As mentioned up-thread, groups of smoker friends will stop patronizing a place if they are not allowed to smoke there. They would also like to be allowed to go anywhere with their friends.
I don't really give a damn about friends and their smoking...if it's my property and I'll do as I see fit...I have rights as a tax paying property owner...why do you trample my rights?
| 1509 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:03:30am |
re: #1502 sattv4u2
Gov't intervention cost bar/ restaurant owners untold amounts of THEIR monies to retrofit their places (seperate rooms,,,new HVAC and exhaust sytems) to adhere to the smoke free section ordinances only to have smoking banned totally a few years later
Where do the restaurant owners go to get a rebate?
I will agree: that's not fair.
| 1510 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:03:40am |
re: #1459 Rancher
Nothing new, remember Robert Mapplethorpe's photographs and Andres Serrano's "Piss Christ"? Why the government should support the arts at all is an even better question. Censorship questions aside, who and what is supported will invariably be political. The government has no more business in the arts than it does in the automotive business.
I sorta agree. But I have some issues.
We've spent the last few summers dragging the kids around to National Parks all over the country. The wife isn't a camper, so I try to book accommodations inside the parks when possible. Mostly, this is to get a look at the often astonishing architecture created for the Parks. The Old Faithful Inn. El Tovar at the Grand Canyon. The tunnels on the road into Zion. They reek of history and spectacular design, all funded by the government.
One favorite is the visitor center at Mount Ranier, a flying-saucer shaped disk of glass and concrete offering elevated, panoramic views of some of the most spectacular scenery anywhere. Built in the 60s, it is a monument to it's period, and is wholly unique. Or it was; our visit was the last year it was open. The building can't support the enormous snow loads it receives during the winter, so it was designed with an oil-fired heating system that melts the snow before it builds up, an idea that made all kinds of sense in the 60s but is unsupportably expensive nowadays. So, time for a new building. The old one will be demolished. The new one, sadly, looks like something designed by Joseph Stalin, a monolithic grey cuboid pierced here and there with tiny windows, a visual assault on the surrounding landscape that walls you off from any view of it while inside.
I can't help but think that, rather than let the job to the low bidder, the government might have run a national contest to come up with yet another example of unique "Parkitechture" like that found elsewhere, instead of this shabby monument to groupthink. Most architectural firms would donate their time just for the privilege of having a masterwork on display in such an area. Here, a commitment to the arts would have been a welcome policy. Instead, we wound up with a bureaucrat's cookie-cutter wet dream.
| 1511 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:03:48am |
re: #1475 sattv4u2
With all due sorrow re: your condition, don't you think it should be left up to the individual bar/ restaurant owner to make his/ her establishment smoke free or not?
The free market tells us that seeing there is a call for both types of places, you would be able to choose diners that offer smoke free, while those that wich to light up during their cocktails could!(mind you ,,, I smoked 2 1/2 + packs for over 20 years, and have been smoke free for over 20 now)
I tend to agree, although I think an objection might be that asthmatic people have fewer job opportunities if there are smoking pubs and restaurants.
| 1512 |
Irish Rose Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:03:55am |
re: #1478 Walter L. Newton
You don't have to breathe in smoke. Don't step into my establishment. Simple.
And if I should want to enter your establishment with a group of friends Walter, what then? Should I be forced to eat my food out on the sidewalk, or abstain from socializing with my friends altogether because I have this completely unreasonable need to fill my lungs with air?
| 1513 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:04:56am |
re: #1505 buzzsawmonkey
I actually became acquainted with Mapplethorpe's work through his flower photos, which I thought very beautiful. I was shocked when his name became a source of upset.
| 1514 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:05:02am |
re: #1508 albusteve
I don't really give a damn about friends and their smoking...if it's my property and I'll do as I see fit...I have rights as a tax paying property owner...why do you trample my rights?
I'm not suggesting that people cannot smoke in their apartments or houses. That's not my beef. My friends know that I can't visit their places.
| 1515 |
formercorpsman Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:05:38am |
re: #1502 sattv4u2
I was wondering when someone would bring that up.
It is one thing to mandate private business do something. Especially when it is at the expense of the owner.
I don't smoke, up until now I have avoided places with too much smoke, but for anyone who thinks there is not much pain in accommodating these little changes does not know the whole story.
| 1516 |
Irish Rose Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:06:10am |
re: #1491 Walter L. Newton
Slowly, together, say... "Get new friends." :)
What a ridiculous response.
| 1517 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:06:19am |
re: #1501 vxbush
Heh. Nice.
I don't drink for personal reasons. But I have gone to bars with friends to celebrate new jobs, babies, moving, etc. I have never asked any bar to close down for my personal reasons.
I appreciate the civil liberty issues. I really do. But I really like to breathe. My life is limited in so many ways already, I'd like to expand what I can.
Fine. And you are putting yourself in danger being around drinkers, maybe some drunk will run over you in the parking lot, maybe your co-worker has even one beer, and his judgement is impaired, and he tries to drive you back to the office, bingo. Or what ever.
Yes, stupid points on my part, but there are so many ways that your life can be limited, and guess what, I bet you attempt to stay away from those situations that may injure or kill you.
Stay away from smoke, no one is forcing you to inhale it. Most bars are non-smoking now a days, many casinos are not, if your friends suggest going to a casino, stay home.
Simple.
| 1518 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:07:31am |
re: #1482 JamesTKirk
I'm not clicking anywhere near Throbert's link while I'm at work (especially since a few of the other, presumably more innocuous, links that I have clicked on have been blocked), but I support the right of consenting adults to perform this and a variety of other acts in the privacy of their bedroom if they so choose. Ain't none of my (or your) business.
The link isn't especially informative. (also wouldn't be blocked). It's a polemic. It doesn't provide useful health information but criticises the lack of awareness about the connection between HIV and anal sex.
The one useful point it kind of waves at, but doesn't make, is criticising the thinking that identifies penetrative sex as the only kind of 'real sex', as if everything other than intercourse can't count as sex.
BTW, this idea is one that conservatives would agree with too.
| 1519 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:07:33am |
re: #1425 iceweasel
I support anal sex. People who engage in it should know all the facts about health and anatomy and think carefully, but I support it.
Are we talking about Obama's taxation policy, or have wondered into the wrong thread?
| 1520 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:07:35am |
re: #1508 albusteve
I don't really give a damn about friends and their smoking...if it's my property and I'll do as I see fit...I have rights as a tax paying property owner...why do you trample my rights?
Perhaps I wasn't clear. I totally agree with your point. I was attempting, perhaps poorly, to rebut vxbush's post.
| 1521 |
hous bin pharteen Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:07:44am |
re: #1422 Rancher
Philly has had some tough events in the past with such groups. M.O.V.E. for example. Just last week in the state capitol the police responded to a call of two females fighting outside somewhere. When they responded to stop the fight, a riot erupted. I think there was over 100 people involved. Throwing bottles and that crap.
| 1522 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:07:51am |
re: #1511 Jimmah
I tend to agree, although I think an objection might be that asthmatic people have fewer job opportunities if there are smoking pubs and restaurants.
again, the free market works there. A smoker would tend to NOT apply to a place that was non-smoking (they would want to light up during breaks and/ or slow spells) and conversely a non-smoker wouldn't apply to a bar that allows smokers (for the obvious reason)
| 1523 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:08:44am |
re: #1512 Irish Rose
And if I should want to enter your establishment with a group of friends Walter, what then? Should I be forced to eat my food out on the sidewalk, or abstain from socializing with my friends altogether because I have this completely unreasonable need to fill my lungs with air?
why is your problem my problem?...go away from my bar and take your friends with you...it's not about smoking, it's about property rights...there is no "what if"
| 1524 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:08:53am |
re: #1512 Irish Rose
And if I should want to enter your establishment with a group of friends Walter, what then? Should I be forced to eat my food out on the sidewalk, or abstain from socializing with my friends altogether because I have this completely unreasonable need to fill my lungs with air?
You answered you own question "...if I should WANT..." I want to be taller.
Moot point.
| 1525 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:09:37am |
re: #1515 formercorpsman
I was wondering when someone would bring that up.
It is one thing to mandate private business do something. Especially when it is at the expense of the owner.
I don't smoke, up until now I have avoided places with too much smoke, but for anyone who thinks there is not much pain in accommodating these little changes does not know the whole story.
Becuase of the work I did back then, I knew of many owners of bars/ restaurants that could NOT afford the mandates and were forced out of business, while others still haven't totally recovered
| 1526 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:09:43am |
re: #1520 eschew_obfuscation
Perhaps I wasn't clear. I totally agree with your point. I was attempting, perhaps poorly, to rebut vxbush's post.
I knew that...just responding around you
| 1527 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:09:47am |
re: #1502 sattv4u2
Knew a bar owner that was looking at a smoking room option. Back before the whole ban came down inculding such rooms. It would have cost him over $50,000, sealed off part of his restaraunt, could only be 1/3 of his total space. He did the numbers and figured that when the city smoking ban came in he would just lose money over all.
| 1528 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:10:57am |
re: #1479 FrogMarch
It's a bad idea becasue its a bad idea? Sorry that doesn't cinch it for me. Why assume congress would do the auditing?
They would control it, no matter who the contract was let to. And Paul has plainly stated that he sees this as a stepping stone to his real goal, which is the dismantling of the Fed and transfer of it's role to Congress, leading to monetary policy being determined by political rather than economic considerations. His intention is to use the audit as a fishing expedition to dredge up hundreds of thousands of tiny details that can be played off each other and magnified to fit his agenda.
The Fed needs to remain independent. They already provide extensive reporting on their internal operations on a monthly, quarterly and yearly basis. If anyone feels an audit is desirable, Congress can pass a requirement that the Fed hire an independent auditing firm as part of it's normal operation. But that sensible option has been rejected by Paul, who insists that Congress - in particular, himself - should directly supervise the audit, and ultimately the Fed.
Congressional control of monetary policy is a recipe for disaster.
| 1529 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:12:45am |
re: #1504 Walter L. Newton
I respect you opinion, and yes, I think that non-smokers should not have to put up with cigarette smoke, and there are laws that help keep PUBLIC "airways" free of smoke.
Other than that, stay away from PRIVATE smoke. Your problem, not mine.
Are there smoking establishments? I don't even know.
/and - well - just don't pee at the end of my pool.
| 1530 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:13:45am |
re: #1527 BlueCanuck
Knew a bar owner that was looking at a smoking room option. Back before the whole ban came down inculding such rooms. It would have cost him over $50,000, sealed off part of his restaraunt, could only be 1/3 of his total space. He did the numbers and figured that when the city smoking ban came in he would just lose money over all.
see 1525. In Boston back 15-20 years ago, $50,000 was only a fraction of what some cost. Again, not only did they have to partition off part(s) of their places, they had to retrofit and install new vents, AC units, heat units, exhaust systems, build a bathroom in the section to be used ONLY by non-smokers, seperate entrance(s),, on and on and on
| 1531 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:13:57am |
re: #1518 iceweasel
The link isn't especially informative. (also wouldn't be blocked).
How would you know that?
I've seen completely innocent stuff blocked, and plenty of more deserving stuff unblocked. Whatever algorithm or database they use appears to be a crapshoot. At least they aren't blocking LGF like some tried to do.
It's a polemic. It doesn't provide useful health information but criticises the lack of awareness about the connection between HIV and anal sex. The one useful point it kind of waves at, but doesn't make, is criticising the thinking that identifies penetrative sex as the only kind of 'real sex', as if everything other than intercourse can't count as sex.
There's nothing wrong with promoting evidence about the dangers of anal sex, and listing alternatives. However, that is a far cry from your original post where you said, and I quote, "anal sex is really dangerous and should not be practiced."
BTW, this idea is one that conservatives would agree with too.
Really? I should think you would have noticed by now that we don't like absolute paternalist pronouncements about what people should or should not be allowed to do on their own property.
That's why, even though anal sex is not my cup of tea (or even my tea bag), my original post included the quote "I support the right of consenting adults to perform this and a variety of other acts in the privacy of their bedroom if they so choose. Ain't none of my (or your) business." I'm not going to tell people what they can't do just because I'm so full of self-importance that I think I know what's good for them and believe that I should have the power to make it so.
| 1532 |
formercorpsman Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:14:37am |
re: #1525 sattv4u2
I agree. My wife and I own a business. Sometimes the general public does not realize truly what the costs of doing business are.
Again, I will say, (as someone with asthma as well) I avoid places I know to be troublesome. Anymore, that is not the problem.
But at the very core of this discussion, I still believe in private property rights.
| 1533 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:14:53am |
re: #1528 SixDegrees
They would control it, no matter who the contract was let to. And Paul has plainly stated that he sees this as a stepping stone to his real goal, which is the dismantling of the Fed and transfer of it's role to Congress, leading to monetary policy being determined by political rather than economic considerations. His intention is to use the audit as a fishing expedition to dredge up hundreds of thousands of tiny details that can be played off each other and magnified to fit his agenda.
The Fed needs to remain independent. They already provide extensive reporting on their internal operations on a monthly, quarterly and yearly basis. If anyone feels an audit is desirable, Congress can pass a requirement that the Fed hire an independent auditing firm as part of it's normal operation. But that sensible option has been rejected by Paul, who insists that Congress - in particular, himself - should directly supervise the audit, and ultimately the Fed.
Congressional control of monetary policy is a recipe for disaster.
Well of course I don't want congress and/or Paul in particular to audit the fed!
| 1534 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:14:57am |
re: #1529 FrogMarch
Are there smoking establishments? I don't even know.
/and - well - just don't pee at the end of my pool.
I know some communities have outlawed smoking in restaurants completely. I can't say that I really like that solution, because I do appreciate the needs of the businesses to cater to both smoking and nonsmoking clients. I really do understand that.
Heck, I don't even go to certain family functions because certain family members will smoke and won't even stop to think that they need to be upwind of me.
| 1535 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:15:23am |
re: #1522 sattv4u2
No. The point is that waiters, waitresses, and bar staff are needlessly exposed to smoke at extremely high levels, if the establishment allows smoking. Much higher than normal even if they themselves are smokers.
That's why permitting it has a deleterious affect on employees themselves and the employee pool.
| 1536 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:15:31am |
re: #1529 FrogMarch
Are there smoking establishments? I don't even know.
/and - well - just don't pee at the end of my pool.
"private" clubs (golf clubs, private members only cigar bars). Other than that, I beleive there isn't a place (bar or restaurant) that can have smokers
| 1537 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:15:32am |
re: #1530 sattv4u2
see 1525. In Boston back 15-20 years ago, $50,000 was only a fraction of what some cost. Again, not only did they have to partition off part(s) of their places, they had to retrofit and install new vents, AC units, heat units, exhaust systems, build a bathroom in the section to be used ONLY by non-smokers, seperate entrance(s),, on and on and on
I thought "separate but equal" was unconstitutional...
| 1539 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:16:27am |
re: #1537 JamesTKirk
I thought "separate but equal" was unconstitutional...
Oh, interesting take on it.
| 1540 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:16:35am |
re: #1529 FrogMarch
Are there smoking establishments? I don't even know.
/and - well - just don't pee at the end of my pool.
In Colorado, cigar bars is one example. Private rooms where one can smoke cigars and drink. Stay away from them if you don't want to engage in the smoking.
| 1541 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:17:25am |
re: #1535 iceweasel
No. The point is that waiters, waitresses, and bar staff are needlessly exposed to smoke at extremely high levels, if the establishment allows smoking. Much higher than normal even if they themselves are smokers.
That's why permitting it has a deleterious affect on employees themselves and the employee pool.
why is that the govt's problem?
| 1542 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:17:25am |
re: #1531 JamesTKirk
There's nothing wrong with promoting evidence about the dangers of anal sex, and listing alternatives. However, that is a far cry from your original post where you said, and I quote, "anal sex is really dangerous and should not be practiced."
You're not quoting my post. I never said that.
| 1543 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:19:49am |
re: #1535 iceweasel
No. The point is that waiters, waitresses, and bar staff are needlessly exposed to smoke at extremely high levels, if the establishment allows smoking. Much higher than normal even if they themselves are smokers.
That's why permitting it has a deleterious affect on employees themselves and the employee pool.
Nope, if I don't want to handle hazardous waste, I don't go to work for a company that processes hazardous waste. If the establishment allows smoking, go waitstaff somewhere else.
I'm ex-IT, my jobs went overseas, I don't demand my jobs stay here.
| 1544 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:20:32am |
re: #1512 Irish Rose
And if I should want to enter your establishment with a group of friends Walter, what then? Should I be forced to eat my food out on the sidewalk, or abstain from socializing with my friends altogether because I have this completely unreasonable need to fill my lungs with air?
I tend to agree with Walter here. Michigan has a state law regulating smoking in restaurants. But it is a mandate that, like so many political chicanery, has followed social trends rather than leading them. There was already a growing demand for smoke-free areas in restaurants that owners were happy to accommodate; by the time the state stepped in and made such areas mandatory, most restaurants were already ahead of the curve. The point is that business owners will respond to customer demands, and will normally do so a lot more quickly and willingly than they will to state regulations. "If you don't like it, leave" carries a lot of weight with the businessman watching you walk away. On the other hand, there are a handful of establishments that are seeking to cash in on the current cigar trendiness who encourage their patrons to smoke. Customers know going in what awaits them.
Best to let the market steer things. It's usually much more efficient.
I would make an exception for buildings people cannot avoid - government offices and the like. Here, the market is already held at bay by the very nature of the place, so imposition of a non-smoking policy is more acceptable.
| 1545 |
JHW Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:20:40am |
The county I live in has slightly over 50,000 population, on Washington coast.It's broke and trying to make cuts to meet its budget. But, when the Washington smoking ban for public establishments was voted in the county health department saw fit to hire a young woman full time to check bars and restaurants for compliance with the smoking ban. So here's the spectacle of this very officious person making the rounds several times a week with her tape measure making sure the people smoking outside were not within 25 feet of an entrance to these establishments. 25 feet puts people in the street, and this is in a windy and rainy area. Job security for a pain in the butt, obnoxious busybody, she gets to write a lot of citations and "warnings".
| 1546 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:20:48am |
re: #1542 iceweasel
You're not quoting my post. I never said that.
I apologize. It's harder to keep track of attributions after several levels of quotes and replies now that LGF only keeps the most material when you quote for a new post.
| 1547 |
lobo91 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:21:08am |
re: #1534 vxbush
I know some communities have outlawed smoking in restaurants completely. I can't say that I really like that solution, because I do appreciate the needs of the businesses to cater to both smoking and nonsmoking clients.
One of those "communities" is the state of Colorado.
| 1548 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:21:54am |
| 1549 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:23:28am |
re: #1535 iceweasel
No. The point is that waiters, waitresses, and bar staff are needlessly exposed to smoke at extremely high levels, if the establishment allows smoking. Much higher than normal even if they themselves are smokers.
That's why permitting it has a deleterious affect on employees themselves and the employee pool.
So damn the OWNER of the place, right? You know, the one that took his own monies to build and run it. The one that pays people to work there A non smoker does not have a "right" to work somewhere. Niether does a smoker. The job doesn't belong to them, it belongs to the OWNER of the business. I had stepped away for awile. Did you ever answer my post where I ppointed out this??
re: #1045 iceweasel
Bullshit. I never said "I support the govt telling us what to do!" and I specifically said I did not support that.
From your #911
this is the reason why I support bans on smoking in bars and restaurants.
Who would impose these bans, if not the gov't?
| 1550 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:24:13am |
re: #1533 FrogMarch
Well of course I don't want congress and/or Paul in particular to audit the fed!
OK. That's what's being proposed, however. The only reason for this sudden interest is Paul's preoccupation with it, and as noted he's doing it for the express purpose of shutting the Fed down through the backdoor of innuendo. And he will block any attempt to perform a more reasonable, hands-off audit like the one mentioned, because it doesn't suit his political purposes.
| 1552 |
The Left Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:27:57am |
re: #1549 sattv4u2
Who would impose these bans, if not the gov't?
Individual owners and operators, obviously.
| 1553 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:28:44am |
re: #1551 albusteve
spinblab...junior high logic
She supports bans on smoking in bars, but she doesn't support the gov't telling us what to do. 2 diametrically opposed statements in 2 seperate posts.
I ask, who else besides the gov't would she have impose this ban on smoking in bars she supports?
| 1554 |
Irish Rose Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:29:34am |
re: #1544 SixDegrees
I tend to agree with Walter here. Michigan has a state law regulating smoking in restaurants. But it is a mandate that, like so many political chicanery, has followed social trends rather than leading them. There was already a growing demand for smoke-free areas in restaurants that owners were happy to accommodate; by the time the state stepped in and made such areas mandatory, most restaurants were already ahead of the curve. The point is that business owners will respond to customer demands, and will normally do so a lot more quickly and willingly than they will to state regulations. "If you don't like it, leave" carries a lot of weight with the businessman watching you walk away. On the other hand, there are a handful of establishments that are seeking to cash in on the current cigar trendiness who encourage their patrons to smoke. Customers know going in what awaits them.
Best to let the market steer things. It's usually much more efficient.
I would make an exception for buildings people cannot avoid - government offices and the like. Here, the market is already held at bay by the very nature of the place, so imposition of a non-smoking policy is more acceptable.
A reasonable argument.
| 1555 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:30:09am |
re: #1552 iceweasel
Individual owners and operators, obviously.
So ,,, an owner COULD decide to have smoking ,, but, But ,, BUT what about the waitstaff you were concerned with??? What about "THEIR" jobs!
| 1556 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:31:06am |
re: #1555 sattv4u2
So ,,, an owner COULD decide to have smoking ,, but, But ,, BUT what about the waitstaff you were concerned with??? What about "THEIR" jobs!
I think this is one of those liberal things where they claim to support "choice", but only for those who make the "right" choice.
| 1557 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:31:17am |
re: #1535 iceweasel
No. The point is that waiters, waitresses, and bar staff are needlessly exposed to smoke at extremely high levels, if the establishment allows smoking. Much higher than normal even if they themselves are smokers.
That's why permitting it has a deleterious affect on employees themselves and the employee pool.
Have you talked to these employees?
I have made an informal survey of quite a number of wait staff and bar owners in my community when the debate over banning smoking in bars was hot. Of approximately twenty people I spoke with, not one objected to smoke in their establishment and many were worried that their jobs/businesses would be affected when if the ban was enacted (rightly as it turned out). As I mentioned up-thread, at least three bars here were forced out of business with the ban. Someone may feel good about saving those employees from the hazards of second-hand smoke, but then they didn't have to pay those former employees' bills.
| 1558 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:31:45am |
re: #1550 SixDegrees
OK. That's what's being proposed, however. The only reason for this sudden interest is Paul's preoccupation with it, and as noted he's doing it for the express purpose of shutting the Fed down through the backdoor of innuendo. And he will block any attempt to perform a more reasonable, hands-off audit like the one mentioned, because it doesn't suit his political purposes.
I'm not particularly wedded to the Paul proposal, but I would like to see a more rigorous check put in place (more so if the fin. regulatory reform package passes).
The disappointment to me is that Ron Paul seems to be the only one talking about Fed accountability. As someone with an opinion on Fed judgment/competence for a while it's a bit frustrating.
| 1559 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:31:48am |
re: #1556 JamesTKirk
I think this is one of those liberal things where they claim to support "choice", but only for those who make the "right" choice.
NAIL/ HEAD
| 1560 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:33:39am |
re: #1544 SixDegrees
Totally agree. Capitalism at its best.
| 1561 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:38:10am |
re: #1512 Irish Rose
And if I should want to enter your establishment with a group of friends Walter, what then? Should I be forced to eat my food out on the sidewalk, or abstain from socializing with my friends altogether because I have this completely unreasonable need to fill my lungs with air?
MY freinds would either
A) know my condition well enough that they wouldn't be walking me into a place that was harmful to my health
B) If they had the NEED to go there, drop me off on the way
C) take me to a place where I would be comfy, damn their addiction to smoking
D) Go to the smoking place on a night I was NOT with them
(btw ,, its a trick question ,,, it's really
E) all of the above
Damn, I'm blessed with good friends!
| 1562 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:39:10am |
re: #1555 sattv4u2
So ,,, an owner COULD decide to have smoking ,, but, But ,, BUT what about the waitstaff you were concerned with??? What about "THEIR" jobs!
My view is that this is something that employers need to take seriously instead of just yelling "YOU DON'T HAVE A FUCKING RIGHT TO A SMOKE FREE JOB M'KAY?"
If an employer is to allow smoking on their premises, they should be thinking about minimising the considerable health risk to their employees by ensuring adequate ventilation. This probably means a sheltered but essentially outdoor eating/drinking space for smokers.
| 1563 |
Rancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:39:24am |
re: #1505 buzzsawmonkey
Most people, having only heard of Robert Mapplethorpe when the NEA decided to produce a retrospective of his work, are under the mistaken impression that Mapplethorpe produced his work using public grants.
Not so.
Andres Serrano didn't either, the NEA supported exhibits showing his work. An artist should have to rely on patrons or the market place and these did. My point is I shouldn't have money taken out of my pocket to promote or support artists I'll never see or hear.
| 1564 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:41:25am |
| 1565 |
funky chicken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:42:40am |
re: #1531 JamesTKirk
But people need to hear the information that anal sex is much more dangerous than other sexual behavior. Most consenting adults don't know that, and it puts their health at serious risk. Here's the money quotes from Throbert's link:
In it, Dutch researchers concluded that men who avoided anal sex and instead used "manual sexual techniques" did not contract HIV, even if they had multiple sexual partners:
As part of the prospective AIDS study in Amsterdam, blood samples were collected from 741 healthy homosexual men with multiple sexual partners, between October 1984 and May 1985. Samples were analyzed for the presence of antibodies to the human immunodeficiency virus (anti-HIV). Anti-HIV was demonstrated in 233 (31%) of the respondents. Seropositive respondents engaged in anal receptive sexual techniques with more sexual partners than did seronegative respondents, whereas seronegatives engaged in manual sexual techniques with more sexual partners than did seropositives. As far as it was possible to control for the interrelations between the measured variables, a direct relation with anti-HIV was established. This leads to the conclusion that when the number of sexual partners is considered a risk factor for HIV, a clear distinction should be made between the sexual techniques practiced with these partners. Two other risk factors for the presence of anti-HIV were the use of cannabis and of nitrite.
van Griensven GJP, Tielman RAP, Goudsmit J, et al. Risk Factors and Prevalence of HIV Antibodies in Homosexual Men in the Netherlands. Am J Epidemiol. 1987;125:1048-1057.
So: it had been established in 1987 -- almost two decades ago -- that non-anal alternatives worked.
And that telling guys to do anal with a condom -- didn't.
Why, given the success of the one and the failure of the other, did that not happen here?
Rotello:
Nonetheless, this approach was never seriously considered by gay AIDS groups in the United States. Anal sex had come to be seen as an essential -- possibly the essential -- expression of homosexual intimacy by the 1980s.
Rotello says "seen as essential" -- but that begs the question, by whom?
Rotello then quotes a medical doctor, Joe Sonnabend, whom Brett and I knew, and who was an internist -- not an ano-rectal surgeon:
Perhaps the most famous articulation of this view appeared in a 1985 New York Native interview with Joseph Sonnabend. "The rectum," Sonnabend said, "is a sexual organ, and it deserves the respect a penis gets and a vagina gets. Anal intercourse has been the central activity for gay men and some women for all of history. ... We have to recognize what's hazardous, but we shouldn't undermine an act that's important to celebrate."
That's an amazing statement.
Because Sonnabend is WRONG in EVERY particular.
| 1566 |
Rancher Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:42:46am |
re: #1521 hous bin pharteen
Philly has had some tough events in the past with such groups. M.O.V.E. for example. Just last week in the state capitol the police responded to a call of two females fighting outside somewhere. When they responded to stop the fight, a riot erupted. I think there was over 100 people involved. Throwing bottles and that crap.
Many people still see the cops as an enemy, a profiling that the left seems to want to continue.
| 1567 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:43:40am |
| 1568 |
JamesTKirk Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:45:46am |
re: #1565 funky chicken
But people need to hear the information that anal sex is much more dangerous than other sexual behavior. Most consenting adults don't know that, and it puts their health at serious risk.
That's still a far cry from "anal sex is really dangerous and should not be practiced." Who, exactly, is going to tell people that they should not have anal sex; and how, exactly, is that going to be enforced?
| 1569 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:52:44am |
re: #1568 JamesTKirk
That's still a far cry from "anal sex is really dangerous and should not be practiced." Who, exactly, is going to tell people that they should not have anal sex; and how, exactly, is that going to be enforced?
some asshole, no doubt!!
| 1570 |
funky chicken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:54:51am |
re: #1568 JamesTKirk
The same folks who tell us that smoking is bad for our health and really shouldn't be done? Or the same folks who tell us to not eat rare hamburger?
Really, this information was quashed and is still being quashed for stupid reasons ... try to bring it up, and face ridicule or accusations of being homophobic or a prude. It's nothing like that, but a willingness to announce that some sexual behavior is MUCH more risky than others...and this unwillingness has lead to serious morbidity and mortality
| 1571 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:56:53am |
re: #1570 funky chicken
The same folks who tell us that smoking is bad for our health and really shouldn't be done? Or the same folks who tell us to not eat rare hamburger?
hmmm,, maybe tonight, I'll engage in anal sex while eating a rare cheeseburger whilst my partner smokes!
| 1572 |
funky chicken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:57:03am |
re: #1568 JamesTKirk
another problem is that you assume I'm tied into the social conservative sodomy police. Nope, not even close. Obviously anal sex can't be banned, and shouldn't be banned. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be discouraged strongly for sound medical reasons.
| 1573 |
funky chicken Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:59:02am |
re: #1571 sattv4u2
ha ha. yep, it's just hilarious that young teenaged girls are being pressured to engage in behavior that they don't even know is extremely hazardous to their health...
| 1574 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:04:27am |
re: #1564 sattv4u2
please see 1525 and 1530
Been There ,,, Done That
Some employers might not be able to afford to provide healthy premises and so would go out of business? That's just too bad for them. (I feel better somehow saying that to an employer - who might have to find another line of work - than to an employee who is dying of cancer or emphysema.)
One thing the government should have is the right to enforce minimum health and safety standards in the workplace. Or is that socialism rearing it's ugly head again?
| 1575 |
Summersong Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:30:41am |
I once located the only smoking area in an airport, don't remember which city.
I do recall that it was a long walk to get to it.
As I sat there smoking, an older woman came and took a table near me. Once she noticed I was smoking she began (fake) coughing and giving me dirty looks. I finally leaned toward her and said, "You do realize that you decided to sit down in the only smoking area within the airport, right?". She left in a huff...
| 1576 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:43:13am |
re: #887 ladycatnip
I was there. Election Day, 2008. 1212 Fairmont, Philadelphia. Two "New Black Panthers" in uniform, one wielding a club. Chanting "The black man will rule the white man, over and over." These are the guys the Philadelphia Democratic organization and the Obama Justice Department cut loose.
| 1577 |
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