Monday Afternoon Music: Michael Brecker Band, ‘Midnight Voyage’

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Here’s a sanity break while I finish writing code for a new embedded slideshow feature — Michael Brecker and a stellar band in 1997 at the “Live By The Sea” music festival in Tokyo, with Pat Metheny (guitar), Joey Calderazzo (keyboards), Jack DeJohnette (drums), and Dave Holland (bass). The tune is “Midnight Voyage” from the album Tales from the Hudson. (Note that there are two videos in the playlist, and the volume level is a bit on the low side.)

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1 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:13:17pm

Wow, that dude has a lot of drums.

2 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:14:55pm

I just clocked on Tools and it took me to my profile. Does that mean anything?

3 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:16:03pm

Today's Thought:
My Calendar's days are numbered

4 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:16:44pm

re: #3 HoosierHoops

Today's Thought:
My Calendar's days are numbered


Then you need to turn a new page.

5 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:18:15pm

Crocs (the "shoes") will ultimately be responsible for the downfall of Western civilization...that is all.

6 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:18:42pm

re: #5 rwdflynavy

Crocs (the "shoes") will ultimately be responsible for the downfall of Western civilization...that is all.

sorry about that, too many paint fumes today...

7 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:22:12pm

Dems are getting smart: Patriot Majority PAC Going After Tea Party Candidates

Patriot Majority PAC, a group created last year by Democratic Party strategist Craig Varoga, has a new mission -- make sure the U.S. House and Senate stay Tea Party free.
....
Varoga's PAC hopes to combat the influence of the Tea Party by targeting 12 to 15 races involving candidates from the conservative movement and launching an independent counter-attack of television, radio and online ads, according to Cillizza.

As the electoral battles go forward, Varoga also hopes to establish Patriot Majority PAC as an archive of negative information on the Tea Party movement. In a tweet on Monday, the PAC asked "Citizens Across US to Help Monitor Violence."

Politicians associated with the Tea Parties are going to have a tough time if the Dems play this right.

8 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:22:56pm

re: #5 rwdflynavy

Crocs (the "shoes") will ultimately be responsible for the downfall of Western civilization...that is all.


They are easy to clean in a creek when you step in dog Coyote poop. I just learned that yesterday. Funny story.

9 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:23:34pm

Dermatologists often make rash statements...
/ok I'll stop

10 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:23:37pm

re: #8 DaddyG

They are easy to clean in a creek when you step in dog Coyote poop. I just learned that yesterday. Funny story.

I use them as wading shoes when I go fishing.

11 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:24:47pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Dems are getting smart: Patriot Majority PAC Going After Tea Party Candidates

Politicians associated with the Tea Parties are going to have a tough time if the Dems play this right.


You are welcome to them. However, I suspect is that the ulterior motive of this group is to make sure everyone who isn't on the Dem reservation is "associated" with the Tea Partiers.

12 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:25:25pm

Bad news, Wingnuts; It's more good news....
U.S. stocks, commodities up on view of sustained growth

U.S. stocks and commodities climbed Monday after the government reported another monthly rise in consumer spending, supplying additional evidence of a sustained economic recovery.

"The bull market is transitioning from a liquidity-driven, asset repricing advance toward one driven by earnings gains and corporate stock purchases," said Carmine Grigoli, chief investment strategist at Mizuho Securities USA Inc.

13 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:26:35pm

re: #5 rwdflynavy

Crocs (the "shoes") will ultimately be responsible for the downfall of Western civilization...that is all.


They are seriously dangerous for small children to wear on escalators or other places where little feet can get caught.

14 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:26:59pm

re: #5 rwdflynavy

Crocs (the "shoes") will ultimately be responsible for the downfall of Western civilization...that is all.

I don't know, I say automated customer service lines will do it, time for a top 10 list?

15 avanti  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:27:06pm

Becks show today is about correcting history. It seems Fascism is far left politically. Who knew ??/

16 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:27:32pm

One of my coworkers is gone 2 weeks on travel, so we're currently debating whether we should wrap everything on his desk in foil or newspaper.

17 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:28:00pm

re: #11 DaddyG

You are welcome to them. However, I suspect is that the ulterior motive of this group is to make sure everyone who isn't on the Dem reservation is "associated" with the Tea Partiers.

True but the have an advantage either way. They'll attack Republicans associated with the Tea Parties for pandering to extremists. Republican politicians who distance themselves from the Tea Parties will be attacked by the Tea Parties for not pandering to their extremist views. It's win/win for the Dems.

18 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:28:27pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Bad news, Wingnuts; It's more good news...
U.S. stocks, commodities up on view of sustained growth

Bad news Progs, It's more bad news...

State jobless rate hits record high

19 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:28:33pm

re: #15 avanti

Becks show today is about correcting history. It seems Fascism is far left politically. Who knew ??/

There is no I in revsonsm. Get on the team.

20 Jack Burton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:28:54pm

re: #13 DaddyG

They are seriously dangerous for small children to wear on escalators or other places where little feet can get caught.

Youtube Video
21 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:29:36pm

re: #20 ArchangelMichael

[Video]

That kid IS BACK ON THE ESCALATOR!

22 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:30:51pm

re: #14 brookly red

I don't know, I say automated customer service lines will do it, time for a top 10 list?

I got fed up at the Home Depot the other day when after trying to convince the self-service register that the seed packets I purchsed really were dropped into the bag TWELVE STINKING TIMES it declined my card because it couldn't read the strip correctly. After waiting several minutes for the checkout monitor to come help me she took my card and held it in her hand with another customers card while she assisted them with their purchase. I finally asked for my card back and handed her the three bags full of merchandise saying "thanks but I think I'll go accross the street to Lowes and get this stuff over there".

Yeah- self checkout is a tool of the evil one.

23 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:30:58pm

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of my coworkers is gone 2 weeks on travel, so we're currently debating whether we should wrap everything on his desk in foil or newspaper.

On my birthday my work mates filled my cube up with packing peanuts...
It was a mess..and I made them clean it up

24 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:31:38pm

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of my coworkers is gone 2 weeks on travel, so we're currently debating whether we should wrap everything on his desk in foil or newspaper.


Moving boxes and furniture pads. That should get his attention. /

25 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:31:45pm

re: #23 HoosierHoops

On my birthday my work mates filled my cube up with packing peanuts...
It was a mess..and I made them clean it up

Yeah, we voted against that. I'm pushing for the newspaper giftwrapping, easiest to do.

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:31:49pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

I use them as wading shoes when I go fishing.

When I go to my gym, I can tell when there's a little-kids acrobatics class, because outside the door is rainbow of tiny Crocs.

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:32:13pm

re: #15 avanti

Becks show today is about correcting history. It seems Fascism is far left politically. Who knew ??/

Jonah Goldberg knew!

28 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:32:53pm

re: #18 rwdflynavy

Unemployment and deficits are going to be a problem for a while. As the economy starts to grow again those pressures will ease.

29 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:33:21pm

re: #15 avanti

Becks show today is about correcting history. It seems Fascism is far left politically. Who knew ??/

Hitler was a Hippy!!!!
//

30 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:34:02pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

True but the have an advantage either way. They'll attack Republicans associated with the Tea Parties for pandering to extremists. Republican politicians who distance themselves from the Tea Parties will be attacked by the Tea Parties for not pandering to their extremist views. It's win/win for the Dems.


Yup. Notice how the "wings" of both parties tend to quiet down when they are in power. The fact that they start targeting their own side of the divide is a great reflection of their intellectual acumen. *sigh*

31 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:34:13pm

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of my coworkers is gone 2 weeks on travel, so we're currently debating whether we should wrap everything on his desk in foil or newspaper.

crime scene tape... that's a hoot.

32 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:35:05pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Unemployment and deficits are going to be a problem for a while. As the economy starts to grow again those pressures will ease.

That's a relief! Still waiting on the shovel ready jobs from the stimulus here.

33 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:36:51pm

test

34 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:36:58pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Unemployment and deficits are going to be a problem for a while. As the economy starts to grow again those pressures will ease.

but of course that won't be a factor when people go to vote...

35 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:37:49pm

Giving a new meaning to "Livin the vida loca"

Ricky Martin Comes Out of the Closet

36 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:37:58pm

re: #15 avanti

Becks show today is about correcting history. It seems Fascism is far left politically. Who knew ??/

Was Jonah Goldberg his guest?

37 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:38:27pm

re: #32 rwdflynavy

That's a relief! Still waiting on the shovel ready jobs from the stimulus here.

Of course, digging your own grave could be considered a shovel ready job.

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:38:53pm

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Giving a new meaning to "Livin the vida loca"

Ricky Martin Comes Out of the Closet

Ricky Martin was in the closet?

39 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:39:39pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

Ricky Martin was in the closet?

He and George Michael. No wait, George was in a public restroom.
//

40 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:39:44pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course, digging your own grave could be considered a shovel ready job.

So could eating dirt with a spoon. A tradition with a long history among poor Southerners.

41 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:39:46pm

re: #34 brookly red

Sure, the economy will almost certainly be a factor. Obama can boast roughly a 30% increase in the stock market since he took over but if unemployment is high enough it could hurt him if Republicans can find somebody with better ideas. That's a very big "if".

42 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:39:50pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course, digging your own grave could be considered a shovel ready job.

which brings us back to self check-out tools...

43 Jack Burton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:39:58pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

Ricky Martin was in the closet?

Must have been in the one with Tom Cruise and R. Kelly.

/

44 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:40:41pm

re: #39 rwdflynavy

He and George Michael. No wait, George was in a public restroom.
//

They had a Senator there to keep an eye of them.

45 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:40:53pm

Father Of Dead Marine Ordered To Pay Legal Fees Of Westobro Baptist Church Protesters

wtf??

(And I see HuffPo could use a good editor, too.)

46 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:40:57pm

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They had a Senator there to keep an eye of them.

With a wide stance.

47 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:41:28pm

re: #43 ArchangelMichael

Must have been in the one with Tom Cruise and R. Kelly.

/


Don't forget John Travolta.

48 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:42:24pm

re: #46 rwdflynavy

With a wide stance.

Singing Billy Squire toons.

Youtube Video
49 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:42:25pm

re: #45 JasonA

Father Of Dead Marine Ordered To Pay Legal Fees Of Westobro Baptist Church Protesters

wtf??

(And I see HuffPo could use a good editor, too.)

WOW.

That's beyond bad.

50 William of Orange  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:43:16pm

IN OTHER BREAKING NEWS.

RETIRED GENERAL SHEEHAN ISSUE FULL APOLOGY TO THE NETHERLANDS.

General Sheehan has said he's sorry about the remarks he made abou gays in the Dutch army andd the role the fact played in the fall of Sebrenica. In a mail to his former colleage he said his recollections about that were inaccurate.

source; Dutch tetetekst

51 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:43:58pm

re: #45 JasonA

Father Of Dead Marine Ordered To Pay Legal Fees Of Westobro Baptist Church Protesters

wtf??

(And I see HuffPo could use a good editor, too.)

I am in no way advocating violence, but I can't believe no one has taken a shot at these douche-nozzles yet.

52 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:44:24pm

re: #51 rwdflynavy

I am in no way advocating violence, but I can't believe no one has taken a shot at these douche-nozzles yet.

Westboro, not Huffington post....
//

53 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:44:26pm

re: #45 JasonA

Father Of Dead Marine Ordered To Pay Legal Fees Of Westobro Baptist Church Protesters

wtf??

(And I see HuffPo could use a good editor, too.)

Upding for bringing this to our attention. Verrrry bad mojo on the part of the protesters.

54 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:44:31pm

re: #50 William of Orange

I'm of the opinion that his remarks were not inaccurate but rather... what's the term I'm looking for... made up.

55 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:45:20pm

re: #54 JasonA

I'm of the opinion that his remarks were not inaccurate but rather... what's the term I'm looking for... made up.

fake but accurate?
//Dan Rather//

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:45:59pm

re: #51 rwdflynavy

I am in no way advocating violence, but I can't believe no one has taken a shot at these douche-nozzles yet.

It speaks to the enormous dignity and focus of our military families and those who support them.

Me neither.

57 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:46:10pm

re: #51 rwdflynavy

I am in no way advocating violence, but I can't believe no one has taken a shot at these douche-nozzles yet.

The Phelps clan will have a lot to answer for when judgement comes.

"So lets go down the list of shit you've supposedly done in my name."

58 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:46:49pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

It speaks to the enormous dignity and focus of our military families and those who support them.

Me neither.

This is why I love the American Legion patriot riders. No violence, they just position themselves between the douche-nozzles and the families.

59 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:46:50pm

re: #53 DaddyG

Upding for bringing this to our attention. Verrry bad mojo on the part of the protesters.

It pays the bills.

Really. They count on pissing off people so they can sue them.

60 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:47:39pm

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It pays the bills.

Really. They count on pissing off people so they can sue them.

huh? I bet I could do that...

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:49:35pm

re: #60 brookly red

huh? I bet I could do that...

I don't really know you, Brookly, but I seriously doubt you can be as sustainedly shameless and cruel as the Westboro people.

62 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:50:34pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't really know you, Brookly, but I seriously doubt you can be as sustainedly shameless and cruel as the Westboro people.

Yeah, their Douche Fu is better than yours. Count on it.

63 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:50:41pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't really know you, Brookly, but I seriously doubt you can be as sustainedly shameless and cruel as the Westboro people.

/not at all but I am sure I can piss someone off if it get's me paid.

64 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:51:18pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't really know you, Brookly, but I seriously doubt you can be as sustainedly shameless and cruel as the Westboro people.

I am baffled how a group that claims to be a church can sustain long term behavior which demonstrates they have no soul.

65 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:51:53pm

re: #62 JasonA

Yeah, their Douche Fu is better than yours. Count on it.

Douche Fu? that's a good one.

66 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:52:23pm

re: #65 brookly red

Douche Fu? that's a good one.

I still prefer dickjitsu

67 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:52:46pm

Looking though HuffPo and found this:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Could it be that Crazy Debbie Schlussel is right about Hannity and the Freedom Concerts.

68 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:54:07pm

re: #67 webevintage

Looking though HuffPo and found this:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Could it be that Crazy Debbie Schlussel is right about Hannity and the Freedom Concerts.

What a douchebag.

69 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:54:08pm

re: #67 webevintage

I thought this story had been pretty much debunked, no?

70 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:55:12pm

re: #45 JasonA

Father Of Dead Marine Ordered To Pay Legal Fees Of Westobro Baptist Church Protesters

To donate to the Marine's family for help with their fees:
[Link: www.matthewsnyder.org...]

71 avanti  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:55:22pm

re: #18 rwdflynavy

Bad news Progs, It's more bad news...

State jobless rate hits record high

That's a few states, look for the first real job growth report on Friday.

72 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:55:32pm

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I still prefer dickjitsu

speaking of jitsu, a Brazilian Jujitsu school just opened in my hood & it's packed with kids who's parents are are paying to have them taught ground fighting... I am not sure what that means.

73 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:56:43pm

re: #69 JasonA

I thought this story had been pretty much debunked, no?

I thought it had too, but:
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington alleges that Hannity's Freedom Concerts has "engaged in deceptive and illegal marketing practices by suggesting that all concert ticket sale revenue goes directly to scholarships for children of killed and wounded service members." CREW and veterans group VoteVets have filed complaints with the IRS and the Federal Trade Commission about Freedom Concerts, Freedom Alliance, and Lt. Col. Oliver North.

74 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:58:15pm

Remember the teenage girl who was bullied so badly she killed herself in MA a couple months ago? They charged 9 teens today:


9 charged with bullying Mass. teen who killed self
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]


NORTHAMPTON, Mass. – Insults and threats followed 15-year-old Phoebe Prince almost from her first day at South Hadley High School, targeting the Irish immigrant in the halls, library and in vicious cell phone text messages.

Phoebe, ostracized for having a brief relationship with a popular boy, reached her breaking point and hanged herself after one particularly hellish day in January — a day that, according to officials, included being hounded with slurs and pelted with a beverage container as she walked home from school.

Now, nine teenagers face charges in what a prosecutor called "unrelenting" bullying, including two teen boys charged with statutory rape and a clique of girls charged with stalking, criminal harassment and violating Phoebe's civil rights.

75 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:58:31pm

re: #73 webevintage

Hrm. I'll save my outrage for when we have more info. I certainly don't want to owe Hannity an apology.

76 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:58:38pm

re: #72 brookly red

speaking of jitsu, a Brazilian Jujitsu school just opened in my hood & it's packed with kids who's parents are are paying to have them taught ground fighting... I am not sure what that means.

Waste of time and money in most cases.

77 avanti  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:59:53pm

re: #45 JasonA

Father Of Dead Marine Ordered To Pay Legal Fees Of Westobro Baptist Church Protesters

wtf??

(And I see HuffPo could use a good editor, too.)

1st amendment rights are wonderful, buy that's just wrong somehow.

78 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:00:03pm

Firefox is running very slow for me. I'm going to log off and restart.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:00:40pm

re: #70 webevintage

To donate to the Marine's family for help with their fees:
[Link: www.matthewsnyder.org...]

Thank you.

80 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:00:43pm

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Waste of time and money in most cases.

really, ground fighting is best learned in the playground...

81 windsagio  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:00:55pm

re: #72 brookly red

The idea of Martial arts gangs in Brooklyn would have a wonderful '70s exploitation movie feel!

82 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:01:08pm

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Waste of time and money in most cases.

eh, no more than getting tennis lessons, or piano lessons..

83 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:01:33pm

re: #81 windsagio

The idea of Martial arts gangs in Brooklyn would have a wonderful '70s exploitation movie feel!

WARRRIORRRRS

COME OUT AND PLAY-YAY

84 windsagio  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:02:35pm

re: #83 WindUpBird

I still remember the first time I saw that on late-nite cable.

What a revelation it was!

85 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:02:44pm

re: #83 WindUpBird

WARRRIORRRS

COME OUT AND PLAY-YAY

GMTA!
Good call

86 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:04:07pm

re: #80 brookly red

really, ground fighting is best learned in the playground...

Basic self defense is simple. Keep your head on straight, learn to take a hit, and how to disengage. 99% of the time, your best defense is going to be getting the hell out of dodge as fast as you can. Shelling out big bucks for some "exotic" training is just a waste.

87 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:04:32pm

Panic (and bad spelling) at Freeperland!

Marshall (sic) Law Is Around The Corner!

The attack on The Tea Party is the start. The "spitting" is another step. All the things the Liberals are saying are leading up to it. The Militia arrests I feel will find Tea Party Pamplets..etc...

To be fair, the first three responses correct the poster's misuse of "marshall."

Get the admin folks to change this to “Martial Law”!
Or Matt Dillon will be on your case
88 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:04:43pm

re: #84 windsagio

I still remember the first time I saw that on late-nite cable.

What a revelation it was!

that was truly one of the stupidest films ever made... good soundtrack, stupid plot.

89 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:05:02pm

re: #74 RogueOne

It's a heartbreaking story. I have to ask, though, would this be going to court if she hadn't killed herself? Civil Rights violations from 16 year olds? I had my share of being bullied as a kid, and I feel for the victims, but is this how we're supposed to go about this.

I'm not passing judgment either, just trying to sort it all out in my head.

90 simoom  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:06:16pm

I just turned on CNN at the top of the hour, and Wolf Blitzer opens their lead story like this:
"Christian Warriors or Homegrown Terrorists?"

They've really taken their "two sides to everything, you decide" shtick right into the twilight zone on this one :P.

91 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:06:20pm

re: #87 Shiplord Kirel

Panic (and bad spelling) at Freeperland!

Marshall (sic) Law Is Around The Corner!

I loved Marshall Law.

92 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:06:44pm

re: #82 WindUpBird

eh, no more than getting tennis lessons, or piano lessons..

Didn't waste time on those either. Took some guitar lessons, but realized quickly I was a musical amputee, so I stopped. Spent my time with books and working on things I enjoyed.

93 garhighway  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:07:31pm

re: #90 simoom

I just turned on CNN at the top of the hour, and Wolf Blitzer opens their lead story like this:
"Christian Warriors or Homegrown Terrorists?"

They've really taken their "two sides to everything, you decide" shtick right into the twilight zone on this one :P.

"GOP says Earth is flat. Some Democrats disagree."

94 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:07:35pm

re: #74 RogueOne

Remember the teenage girl who was bullied so badly she killed herself in MA a couple months ago? They charged 9 teens today:

That poor girl.

I have a friend who was bullied everyday in highschool by a clique of girls (name calling, pushing into lockers, crap written on bathroom walls, ect.) and it has taken her years to get over it.
She's 40 now.

(her family was pretty dysfunctional so she just took it and NO ONE at the school ever noticed anything.)

I on the other hand had a pretty great family, but let a small clique of girls in 5 and 6th grade torment me, never complained until one of the Nuns finally took matters into her own hands and got it all to stop.
I have no idea what she did.
We moved after that and I never saw the girls again but I still remember their names.

I can't imagine how much more horrible bulling is now with cell phones and Youtube.

95 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:08:12pm

re: #86 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Basic self defense is simple. Keep your head on straight, learn to take a hit, and how to disengage. 99% of the time, your best defense is going to be getting the hell out of dodge as fast as you can. Shelling out big bucks for some "exotic" training is just a waste.

I don't know... I like to play Tai-chi and it has served me well but if things get real there is nothing like a blunt instrument.

96 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:09:28pm

re: #91 JasonA

I loved Marshall Law.

More of a Judge Dredd fan.

97 avanti  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:10:14pm

re: #91 JasonA

I loved Marshall Law.

A posted quote:

"Yep. The Obama Reichstag event is coming, count on it."

98 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:10:33pm

re: #89 JasonA

It's a heartbreaking story. I have to ask, though, would this be going to court if she hadn't killed herself? Civil Rights violations from 16 year olds? I had my share of being bullied as a kid, and I feel for the victims, but is this how we're supposed to go about this.

I'm not passing judgment either, just trying to sort it all out in my head.

I'm not sure how I feel about it either. I looked for more info but that story seemed to be the best write up. I don't know that I have enough info to decide if arresting them was appropriate or not.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:10:43pm

re: #86 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Basic self defense is simple. Keep your head on straight, learn to take a hit, and how to disengage. 99% of the time, your best defense is going to be getting the hell out of dodge as fast as you can. Shelling out big bucks for some "exotic" training is just a waste.

Mostly, for kids, that's what they're learning.

100 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:10:48pm

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

More of a Judge Dredd fan.

how does one make it through that movie? i didn't have the strength...

101 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:10:49pm

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

More of a Judge Dredd fan.

that is the Maryann/Ginger of the comic book world.

102 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:11:35pm

re: #88 brookly red

that was truly one of the stupidest films ever made... good soundtrack, stupid plot.

I think I saw it in the 80's don't remember much of it...
I watched Sherlock Holmes this weekend.. It was ok..Nothing special really...
I just couldn't put my finger on why it kind of sucked so bad.
Found out Today that Guy Ritchie Directed it..
There ya go...

103 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:11:47pm

re: #95 brookly red

I don't know... I like to play Tai-chi and it has served me well but if things get real there is nothing like a blunt instrument.

Basic combat hitting skills have seen me thru most fights, with the application of LINE training on only 2 real occassions. In all cases, the final step has been RUN.

104 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:12:16pm

Nite folks

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:12:34pm

re: #89 JasonA

It's a heartbreaking story. I have to ask, though, would this be going to court if she hadn't killed herself? Civil Rights violations from 16 year olds? I had my share of being bullied as a kid, and I feel for the victims, but is this how we're supposed to go about this.

I'm not passing judgment either, just trying to sort it all out in my head.

I'm curious to know who at school knew what was going on, and what was done. Sure, kids can be vicious, but it's the school that's responsible for the child's safety.

106 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:12:39pm

re: #100 Aceofwhat?

how does one make it through that movie? i didn't have the strength...

Ignore the movie. It did not happen. Like every Highlander sequel.

107 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:12:53pm

re: #88 brookly red

that was truly one of the stupidest films ever made... good soundtrack, stupid plot.

It's the spirit of goofy b-movies, you gotta watch them in the right frame of mind :D

108 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:13:29pm

re: #107 WindUpBird

It's the spirit of goofy b-movies, you gotta watch them in the right frame of mind :D

/but I am not a stoner...

109 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:13:38pm

re: #97 avanti

A posted quote:

"Yep. The Obama Reichstag event is coming, count on it."

The problem with that is that it's the Teabaggers who are the Nazis.

110 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:14:32pm

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

More of a Judge Dredd fan.

There's a Judge Dredd RPG now, if anyone cares.

111 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:14:56pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

Mostly, for kids, that's what they're learning.

Any decent self defense course will cover that. A lot of classes I've seen will try and bilk the parents with an upsell by covering how much better their particular style is, because its based on the ancient martial art of "Fill in the blank".

112 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:15:29pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

There's a Judge Dredd RPG now, if anyone cares.

RPG? like wooosh BOOM, RPG?

113 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:15:34pm

re: #107 WindUpBird

It's the spirit of goofy b-movies, you gotta watch them in the right frame of mind :D

Oh, you mean when you're high.

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:15:44pm

re: #108 brookly red

/but I am not a stoner...

neither are most of my friends with the B-movie collections. I have a friend with over 500 bad horror movies on her DVD and VHS shelves, she doesn't even drink. she can name 20 zombie movies off the top of her head without even touching a Romero film.

Like I said, you gotta be into B-movies for their own sake. I'd much rather watch a B-movie than the latest blockbuster epic. Avatar, I could care less about. Give me a Full Moon production any day.

115 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:16:15pm

re: #112 brookly red

RPG? like wooosh BOOM, RPG?

Role Playing Game.

Like D&D, vampire, etc

116 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:16:37pm

re: #112 brookly red

RPG? like wooosh BOOM, RPG?

Role Playing Game.

117 avanti  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:16:55pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

The problem with that is that it's the Teabaggers who are the Nazis.

But, but, Nazi's are Commies, Beck says so./

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:17:26pm

re: #117 avanti

But, but, Nazi's are Commies, Beck says so./

OMG!!! The TPers are COMMIES!!!!

119 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:18:04pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Role Playing Game.

Like Sultry saloon owner and lonely cowboy.

Oops, wrong role playing.

120 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:18:09pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Any decent self defense course will cover that. A lot of classes I've seen will try and bilk the parents with an upsell by covering how much better their particular style is, because its based on the ancient martial art of "Fill in the blank".

we have a local NYC style based upon knowing who is behind you... it is called Who Dat Dare... very powerful.

121 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:18:13pm

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh, you mean when you're high.

I actually never watch movies when high, it doesn't really work for me. Mostly it's the spirit of Mystery Science Theater 3000. Get a bunch of snarky nerds and film buffs in front of the box, maybe some beers, and crack jokes throughout the film.

Anyone? Raise your hand if you're an MST3K fan?

I fear this isn't my crowd here :D

122 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:18:51pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Role Playing Game.

never mind.

123 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:19:16pm

re: #121 WindUpBird

I actually never watch movies when high, it doesn't really work for me. Mostly it's the spirit of Mystery Science Theater 3000. Get a bunch of snarky nerds and film buffs in front of the box, maybe some beers, and crack jokes throughout the film.

Anyone? Raise your hand if you're an MST3K fan?

I fear this isn't my crowd here :D

Not anymore, I use to watch it back in the 90's when I was more interested in TV... now I just watch LOST.

124 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:19:23pm

re: #121 WindUpBird

I could have been a MST3K fan if I actually found them funny, but they just weren't for me.

125 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:19:55pm

re: #121 WindUpBird

I actually never watch movies when high, it doesn't really work for me. Mostly it's the spirit of Mystery Science Theater 3000. Get a bunch of snarky nerds and film buffs in front of the box, maybe some beers, and crack jokes throughout the film.

Anyone? Raise your hand if you're an MST3K fan?

I fear this isn't my crowd here :D

I have the entire run including the original KTMA shows, the movie and assorted specials at home. Personally, I feel the Mike/Forrester and TVs Frank years were the best.

126 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:20:27pm

re: #124 JasonA

I could have been a MST3K fan if I actually found them funny, but they just weren't for me.

You are dead to me.

127 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:20:30pm

re: #121 WindUpBird

I actually never watch movies when high, it doesn't really work for me. Mostly it's the spirit of Mystery Science Theater 3000. Get a bunch of snarky nerds and film buffs in front of the box, maybe some beers, and crack jokes throughout the film.

Anyone? Raise your hand if you're an MST3K fan?

I fear this isn't my crowd here :D

*hand up*

128 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:20:46pm

re: #5 rwdflynavy

Crocs (the "shoes") will ultimately be responsible for the downfall of Western civilization...that is all.

They are easy to take off when you are going through the airport security line, just be careful on the escalators.

129 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:22:21pm

re: #107 WindUpBird

It's the spirit of goofy b-movies, you gotta watch them in the right frame of mind :D

Having grown up watching Mystery theater 3000..
I can be just brutal watching dumbass movies with friends..
My buddy Paulie can just trash a movie and leave you rolling on the floor laughing...You can't take him out to the movies with the boys. You never know if he is carrying a deadly meat thermometer for self protection..
/ He is funny as hell... but brutal

130 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:23:40pm

MST3k meets Gumby

Youtube Video
131 Four More Tears  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:24:15pm

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You are dead to me.

For what it's worth I did find the Twilight RiffTrax to be amusing:

Youtube Video

Maybe they've gotten better? Or my sense of humor has changed? Who can say.

132 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:24:42pm

re: #129 HoosierHoops

Having grown up watching Mystery theater 3000..
I can be just brutal watching dumbass movies with friends..
My buddy Paulie can just trash a movie and leave you rolling on the floor laughing...You can't take him out to the movies with the boys. You never know if he is carrying a deadly meat thermometer for self protection..
/ He is funny as hell... but brutal

that meat thermometer thing really bothered me... is the economy so bad people can't even buy an ice pick? sheesh.

133 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:25:51pm

re: #132 brookly red

that meat thermometer thing really bothered me... is the economy so bad people can't even buy an ice pick? sheesh.

The poor man's ice pick

134 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:26:01pm

re: #128 Alouette

They are easy to take off when you are going through the airport security line, just be careful on the escalators.

wonderful... plastic shoes in the age of plastic explosives.

135 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:26:14pm

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have the entire run including the original KTMA shows, the movie and assorted specials at home. Personally, I feel the Mike/Forrester and TVs Frank years were the best.

TV's Frank FTW, yes :D

I think my favorites of all of them were Mitchell, Cave Dwellers (aka Ator the Blademaster) and of course Manos!

136 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:26:39pm

re: #132 brookly red

that meat thermometer thing really bothered me... is the economy so bad people can't even buy an ice pick? sheesh.

That's not the point. If you poke someone with it, when you seen the temperature go blow 62 degrees, you can be assured the person is dead. It's sort of insurance that you did a good job.

137 windsagio  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:27:14pm

re: #88 brookly red

didn't read the intervening, but you know the story of that is the Anabasis, right?

138 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:28:21pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

That's not the point. If you poke someone with it, when you seen the temperature go blow 62 degrees, you can be assured the person is dead. It's sort of insurance that you did a good job.

If I were to stab someone, I don't think I'm hanging around till they get to 62 degrees just to "make sure"

Thats several hours, at least

just sayin!

139 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:28:22pm

re: #135 WindUpBird

TV's Frank FTW, yes :D

I think my favorites of all of them were Mitchell, Cave Dwellers (aka Ator the Blademaster) and of course Manos!

Prince of Space was a great one.

Youtube Video

Creeping Terror as well.

140 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:28:27pm

re: #137 windsagio

didn't read the intervening, but you know the story of that is the Anabasis, right?

gahhhh I should have mentioned that, still waking up :P

141 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:28:30pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

That's not the point. If you poke someone with it, when you seen the temperature go blow 62 degrees, you can be assured the person is dead. It's sort of insurance that you did a good job.

Theoretically, it should also work as a zombie alarm, right?

If someone's walking and talking, but the thermometer reads room temperature, that's an indication you are dealing with the undead.

142 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:29:07pm

re: #141 EmmmieG

Theoretically, it should also work as a zombie alarm, right?

If someone's walking and talking, but the thermometer reads room temperature, that's an indication you are dealing with the undead.

well, that and the rot...

143 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:29:14pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

That's not the point. If you poke someone with it, when you seen the temperature go blow 62 degrees, you can be assured the person is dead. It's sort of insurance that you did a good job.

Whoa... my typing and spelling is stinky... and I'm sober... waiting for 14 guest to arrive... save me...

144 windsagio  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:29:32pm

re: #140 WindUpBird

I'm in and out, playing C&C 4 again (which everyone should buy!)

145 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:30:49pm

re: #141 EmmmieG

Theoretically, it should also work as a zombie alarm, right?

If someone's walking and talking, but the thermometer reads room temperature, that's an indication you are dealing with the undead.

/picture ID for all voters is the only way to be sure.

146 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:31:17pm

re: #141 EmmmieG

Theoretically, it should also work as a zombie alarm, right?

If someone's walking and talking, but the thermometer reads room temperature, that's an indication you are dealing with the undead.

That a big problem around your area!?

Where the hell do you live, Dark ShadowsQ!?!?!

147 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:31:19pm

re: #137 windsagio

didn't read the intervening, but you know the story of that is the Anabasis, right?

no

148 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:31:41pm

Here's a bit of stupidity, as Chris Muir goes Full Mental Wingnut.

149 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:31:51pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

That's not the point. If you poke someone with it, when you seen the temperature go blow 62 degrees, you can be assured the person is dead. It's sort of insurance that you did a good job.

Or the intimidation factor.. You stab somebody with a meat Temperature probe as a weapon..
You just stand back and raise your hands and yell out ' I think he's done!'
*That is one crazy dude!*
Who wants to say hello to my little Salad fork?
* Let's go man *

150 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:31:53pm

re: #145 brookly red

/picture ID for all voters is the only way to be sure.

Ma'am, when did you skin color go from what's in the picture to a greenish-gray?

151 lostlakehiker  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:32:01pm

Odd that the Moscow subway double suicide bombing hasn't made it into a thread topic.

Individuals cannot do much in the way of self defense when the threat is explosions. Collective self defense can take on several forms:

(1) rope-a-dope: take your hits. Maybe they cannot do enough damage to matter. Harden targets so as to limit the damage sustained when they do strike. This is cheapest and if the attacks do not rise beyond some threshold, least trouble all around. But there are limits.

(2) Cloak and dagger. Penetrate their networks, capture and interrogate some members. Cloak and dagger work must thread between the rocks of too nice and too nasty. Nice, and you achieve nothing. Nasty, and you make too many enemies and you get nowhere with your human intelligence efforts.

(3) War. Break up the society or the organization from which the attacks are coming. Fight nicely, but answer nukes with nukes if your conventional forces cannot prevail without. This is very expensive, and the moral lines you must cross on this path are far thicker and graver than any version of (2). Break glass in case of need, but you'll have red all over your hands and it won't be dye. Also, you must break the glass with your bare hands and you'll get cut.

152 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:34:12pm

re: #151 lostlakehiker

What does that have to do with zombies and meat probes!?!?

re: #143 Walter L. Newton

Whoa... my typing and spelling is stinky... and I'm sober... waiting for 14 guest to arrive... save me...

What time was I supposed to be there again!?!?

153 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:35:27pm

re: #149 HoosierHoops

Or the intimidation factor.. You stab somebody with a meat Temperature probe as a weapon..
You just stand back and raise your hands and yell out ' I think he's done!'
*That is one crazy dude!*
Who wants to say hello to my little Salad fork?
* Let's go man *

or as Indiana Jones said "fuck that"

154 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:36:01pm

Woot! Bondage club under RNC expenses. NRO has the excuse scoop:

‘Bondage’ Cash Was for Young Donor After-Party [Daniel Foster]

From the Orange County, California, conservative blog Red County:

According to sources who were in attendance that night, the "official" part of the evening started with 50+ person dinner at the Beverly Hills Hotel, then carried on throughout the evening, eventually ending up at Voyeur. While RNC employees, who were in town to recruit members to its "RNC Young Eagles" program, did participate throughout the entire evening and did find their way to the bondage-themed club, Michael Steele himself was "not in attendance" for any portion of the evening. Brown, by the way, is reportedly a "Young Eagle" himself, a fundraising sub-group of the RNC which targets larger donors based on age group.

So I'm looking at this page over at NRO and what do I see? A banner ad for the 2010 NRO Portugal and Spain Riverboat Cruise II noting special guest, former director of the Christian Coalition, Ralph Reed!

Picked up the scoop at HuffPo.

155 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:36:09pm

re: #150 EmmmieG

Ma'am, when did you skin color go from what's in the picture to a greenish-gray?

/damn tanning salon tax!

156 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:37:11pm

re: #151 lostlakehiker

Odd that the Moscow subway double suicide bombing hasn't made it into a thread topic.

It was discussed on the overnight thread, I think.

157 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:45:18pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Like Sultry saloon owner and lonely cowboy.

Oops, wrong role playing.

Coffee - meet keyboard.....

158 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:47:43pm

I see we go a kookspiracy theory linked up as a spinoff link.

Representative Michael Burgess (R-Texas) told CNSNews.com that if the mandate in the health care law requiring individuals to purchase health insurance or be penalized is upheld by the courts, the federal government could mandate anything, such as requiring all Americans to purchase a General Motors car.

As reported by CNS News which is a little better than World Nut Daily.

Yeah, and the government is going to mandate a GPS in every car to tell you what to drive.

159 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:49:49pm

re: #152 sattv4u2

What does that have to do with zombies and meat probes!?!?

re: #143 Walter L. Newton

What time was I supposed to be there again!?!?

Sundown...


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