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The real danger is not that computers will begin to think like men, but that men will begin to think like computers.
— Sydney J. Harris
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:31:20pm |
Glenn Beck thinks like a computer... that's having a blue screen crash.
/rimshot
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:35:04pm |
"Wont that be grand. The computers and the programs will start thinking, and the people will stop."
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:38:22pm |
re: #1 NJDhockeyfan
So, I realize we don't always agree, but thanks for that. Matrix too, if you're still reading.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:42:52pm |
re: #5 McSpiff
So, I realize we don't always agree, but thanks for that. Matrix too, if you're still reading.
We can disagree on certain issues but I think we can all agree hateful bigoted posts are not welcome here.
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Boondock St. Bender Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:51:33pm |
i would be happy if people just thought period...
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Boondock St. Bender Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:58:25pm |
quiet around here....well except for the music that is
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:03:02pm |
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:03:46pm |
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:04:12pm |
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:10:59pm |
Hey everyone...here's a song I know all the words to...good for this time of night.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:19:08pm |
@OMGFactsSex: During 30 minutes of active sex, the average person burns around 200 calories.
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tradewind Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:36:15pm |
re: #24 cliffster
Damn. So one beer later, all the benefits are gone.//
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:37:11pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:37:23pm |
re: #30 Gus 802
My soundcard on my computer is fucked. Fired up my other laptop, but it is from 2002, so I wasn't gonna wait. Now I have to take this bad boy into the shop. Which sucks.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:39:08pm |
re: #33 Cannadian Club Akbar
My soundcard on my computer is fucked. Fired up my other laptop, but it is from 2002, so I wasn't gonna wait. Now I have to take this bad boy into the shop. Which sucks.
Reinstall the driver first.... it that doesn't work..... buy a new sound card and plug it in.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:40:05pm |
re: #31 tradewind
Damn. So one beer later, all the benefits are gone.//
All the benefits are gone after you make a samich.
//put tater chips on mine
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:40:14pm |
re: #32 Mr Pancakes
You have a wide range of musical taste Gus 802... I admire that.
I love good music. Didn't delve into jazz.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:41:03pm |
I need 21 updings to for a 3:1 karma ratio.
Ahhh smoosh it!
Ahh smoosh it!
Ooohh baby baby
b-baby baby
/Push it good.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:41:45pm |
re: #34 Mr Pancakes
Reinstall the driver first... it that doesn't work... buy a new sound card and plug it in.
I have no speakers and no headphones. Running XP. Think installing drivers will work? (I know I can find them online. My disc are actually at my house)
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:44:23pm |
re: #36 Gus 802
I love good music. Didn't delve into jazz.
Me either...... not into free form jazz but I like big band stuff.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:44:25pm |
re: #34 Mr Pancakes
Reinstall the driver first... it that doesn't work... buy a new sound card and plug it in.
I also have a plug in blaster.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:45:44pm |
re: #38 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have no speakers and no headphones. Running XP. Think installing drivers will work? (I know I can find them online. My disc are actually at my house)
It's worth a try before you pay big bucks........ of course you'll need speakers to find out.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:45:51pm |
re: #40 Mr Pancakes
Me either... not into free form jazz but I like big band stuff.
Nice. Same here. Glenn Miller and Duke Ellington.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:47:46pm |
re: #43 Mr Pancakes
It's worth a try before you pay big bucks... of course you'll need speakers to find out.
I have a set of Altec Lansings. No power to them and zero headphones.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:49:06pm |
re: #45 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have a set of Altec Lansings. No power to them and zero headphones.
I'm using an old pair of Altec Lansing headphones.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:50:10pm |
re: #45 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have a set of Altec Lansings. No power to them and zero headphones.
Great speakers..... that's what I have. Plugged in and no sound? I'd reinstall the driver...... first check your volume setting in the control panel ..... maybe it's on mute.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:51:59pm |
re: #48 Mr Pancakes
Great speakers... that's what I have. Plugged in and no sound? I'd reinstall the driver... first check your volume setting in the control panel ... maybe it's on mute.
I checked that. I have zero power to the speakers. (little light isn't on) But I also have nothing through the headphones. It must be the card.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:52:53pm |
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:53:24pm |
re: #46 Gus 802
The Benny Goodman Orchestra - Sing Sing Sing
[Video]
Gene Krupa was a maniac on drums....... as was Keith Moon.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:53:27pm |
re: #50 Cannadian Club Akbar
I checked that. I have zero power to the speakers. (little light isn't on) But I also have nothing through the headphones. It must be the card.
Just curious...is it an HP?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:54:20pm |
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:55:11pm |
re: #50 Cannadian Club Akbar
I checked that. I have zero power to the speakers. (little light isn't on) But I also have nothing through the headphones. It must be the card.
Unplug it.... clean the contacts with an eraser and plug it back in.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:56:24pm |
re: #54 Cannadian Club Akbar
Dell Inspiron E1705
My sound card on my Dell acts up occasionally. I just restart and.....blam, it works.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:57:01pm |
That's Gary Cooper on first. Barbara Stanwyck singing. Gene Krupa on the drums. Great movie, "Ball of Fire."
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tradewind Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:58:41pm |
re: #35 Cannadian Club Akbar
lol...
With that, I'm going to bed, honcos.
Sans chips.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:05:02am |
re: #57 Gus 802
[Video]That's Gary Cooper on first. Barbara Stanwyck singing. Gene Krupa on the drums. Great movie, "Ball of Fire."
That was cool... and Barbara Stanwyck was hot!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:05:41am |
So, tonight I made a fillet Mignon and a guy I work with was convinced it was overcooked. I made a new one and took the perfectly cooked fillet and made a fajita. I win.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:06:17am |
re: #59 Mr Pancakes
That was cool... and Barbara Stanwyck was hot!
She sure was. I loved that movie. Watch it when you get the chance.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:07:54am |
re: #61 Gus 802
She sure was. I loved that movie. Watch it when you get the chance.
I will for sure.
Mickey says it's past midnight..... time for bed. Goodnight all!
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boredtechindenver Tue, Aug 31, 2010 1:04:02am |
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:05:49am |
East Coast Lizards:
Please be prepared for Hurricane Earl.
You are in this flyover country Lizard's thoughts and prayers.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:14:00am |
Nothing but the dead and dying
Back in my little town...
- Paul Simon
Good mourning LGF
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:17:37am |
Morning Lizardim. Wet and rainy here, but sounds like we're only going to get a fraction of what some lizards could be experiencing if Earl decides to knock on their door.
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Mr. Crankypants Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:29:22am |
morning lizards...it's a new day in Glenn Beck's America...ignorant and proud of it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:32:42am |
Oh happy day when miracles take place, and scientists control the human race.
When we assume authority of human chromosomes;
And assembly line women, conveyor belt men,
Settle down in push button homes.
Good morning, knuckleheads.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:33:35am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:36:01am |
re: #66 boredtechindenver
You know? Sometimes? I really don't like white people.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:36:59am |
re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You know? Sometimes? I really don't like white people.
It's easier if you just hate everyone. Trust me.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:37:24am |
re: #74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh happy day when miracles take place, and scientists control the human race.
When we assume authority of human chromosomes;
And assembly line women, conveyor belt men,
Settle down in push button homes.Good morning, knuckleheads.
Groupthink is the virtually certain result of such.
A sick mind in a healthy body.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:37:51am |
re: #75 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw on the intertubes that they busted a 21 year old playing sandlot football in your area.
You folks have an interesting area down there in America's penis. You know that?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:39:14am |
re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I saw on the intertubes that they busted a 21 year old playing sandlot football in your area.
You folks have an interesting area down there in America's penis. You know that?
Saw the story. Didn't read it. But yes. We got all the kooks.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:40:12am |
re: #74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Heh. Makes me think of Ian M. Banks, the sci-fi writer who mainly concerns himself with the goings-on of the Culture, a post-scarcity society with brilliant AI taking care of all of humanity's needs.
Great writer. Fascinating books. At first I got the message from them that life in such a society would only be interesting at the edges, in the uncertain areas-- where it contacts other societies, for example. But as I've reread them, I've come to a different conclusion; the books are primarily a metaphor for current life. Right now, I know there are people 'better' than me at everything I do. Does that stop me from doing it? No. And I don't actually believe it's scarcity that drives us, anymore; I think we'd relentless push forwards even if there were no problems to solve. That's why computer games are so fun; it doesn't really matter, in terms of our sanctification, if the challenge is 'real' or not. Building a table with your own two hands is also a 'fake' challenge, since you could just go buy one.
Good books. Highly recommended.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:40:36am |
re: #81 Cannadian Club Akbar
Saw the story. Didn't read it. But yes. We got all the kooks.
But at least we don't have the threat of a hurricane. Screw you New England!!!
///
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:41:57am |
re: #82 Obdicut
My little verse is from the play, "Lil' Abner".
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:42:17am |
re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm sure another one will be along to kick your ass shortly.
I had a lot of fun as a kid with Hurricane Gloria, in Connecticut. It was wild, not just during, but after, wandering through the woods and seeing huge, ancient trees uprooted and flung about. Plus, no school for like a week, and lots of chainsaw action.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:44:07am |
re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My little verse is from the play, "Lil' Abner".
Isn't that a goddamned musical, and not a play?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:44:41am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:44:42am |
re: #86 Obdicut
Actually, where I live, Indian tribes would spend summers here because it was less likely to be hit. I don't think he have had a direct hit for 90 years.
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shai_au Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:45:38am |
I just saw Piranha 3D.
It was a masterpiece. That is all.
I loved the nod to Jaws at the beginning. :)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:46:16am |
re: #87 Obdicut
Why yes! Yes it is!
I played Lil' Abner in the musical, community theater... back before I was... was... well, you know... vegetarian.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:48:52am |
re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hate musicals. A combination of a horrible ex-girlfriend who loved really bad musicals (Into the Woods, Rent) and a dislike for the whole general style of musicals, also known as The Only Good Bits in Andrew Lloyd Weber He Stole.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:49:26am |
re: #90 shai_au
That movie doesn't look like it could really happen.
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researchok Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:50:32am |
re: #92 Obdicut
I hate musicals. A combination of a horrible ex-girlfriend who loved really bad musicals (Into the Woods, Rent) and a dislike for the whole general style of musicals, also known as The Only Good Bits in Andrew Lloyd Weber He Stole.
Don't complain. I had a girlfriend years ago who was hooked on 'experimental' art of any kind.
Don't get me started.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:51:44am |
re: #92 Obdicut
I hate musicals. A combination of a horrible ex-girlfriend who loved really bad musicals (Into the Woods, Rent) and a dislike for the whole general style of musicals, also known as The Only Good Bits in Andrew Lloyd Weber He Stole.
My wife is totally a sucker for musicals and plays of all kinds of quality. A lot of that has to do with her favorite sister being an actor/director at a small-time theater.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:51:49am |
re: #94 researchok
Don't complain. I had a girlfriend years ago who was hooked on 'experimental' art of any kind.
Don't get me started.
I have an ex who was hooked on Meth. No teeth. Nice.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:55:28am |
re: #92 Obdicut
I loved performing in them, can't stand to go to them.
Of course, I was chorus guy number 14 the only professional show I've ever been in.
I was an 18 year old homophobe... who knew there were so many gays in theatre.
Went and got me a real job. A manly job.
Yeah. The stupidity in me was very thick.
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researchok Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:55:29am |
re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have an ex who was hooked on Meth. No teeth. Nice.
///
LOL
My favorite memory of that horror show was a modern dance program for ex cons. Aside from really bad dance, the former inmates wore stockings over their faces- to hide their pasts from a judgmental society.
The show closed after a weekend.
I think that had an influence on my move from liberal to more conservative beliefs.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:56:44am |
re: #94 researchok
If that included some cool sex stuff, I'm all about girlfriends being into experimental art.
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researchok Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:57:39am |
re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If that included some cool sex stuff, I'm all about girlfriends being into experimental art.
Yeah, vegan after theater dining.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:58:16am |
re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If that included some cool sex stuff, I'm all about girlfriends being into experimental art.
But with other guys? Wait. Could be with another chick. Damn.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:58:54am |
re: #101 researchok
Then the crazy sex stuff! Hell yeah!
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:00:21am |
Here's the latest Manhattan mosque poll.
[Link: www.quinnipiac.edu...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:00:57am |
re: #103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Then the crazy sex stuff! Hell yeah!
I support single moms. (When they dance to Motley Crue)
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:02:51am |
re: #105 Cannadian Club Akbar
"I do a lot of work with unwed mothers... Hey! I helped them get their start!"
-Steve Martin
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researchok Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:03:06am |
re: #103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Then the crazy sex stuff! Hell yeah!
Followed up with a 120 minute cassette tape of Peruvian-Ecuadorian fusion pan flute music.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:04:23am |
re: #107 researchok
While crazy sex stuff is going on!
Wait!
Did she shave her legs and pits? Because, well, I might just throw up a little.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:05:03am |
43% of Dems want the mosque forcibly moved?
61% of Dems want the mosque voluntarily moved?
Wowsers.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:06:08am |
re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
While crazy sex stuff is going on!
Wait!
Did she shave her legs and pits? Because, well, I might just throw up a little.
I worked with a girl who was really hot. But didn't shave above her knees. Not kidding.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:06:53am |
re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar
Okay, that's just lazy.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:07:22am |
re: #109 Spare O'Lake
We're trying to be funny right now, Extra Lough... c'mon! Join the party!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:08:26am |
re: #111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, that's just lazy.
I also worked with a 5' blond girl that used to let me shave her legs. She was cool.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:08:29am |
re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar
I worked with a girl who was really hot. But didn't shave above her knees. Not kidding.
No wonder she was hot...
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researchok Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:08:38am |
re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
While crazy sex stuff is going on!
Wait!
Did she shave her legs and pits? Because, well, I might just throw up a little.
On that I insisted.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:08:40am |
re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar
I worked with a girl who was really hot. But didn't shave above her knees. Not kidding.
Didya volunteer your expert tonsorial services??
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:09:07am |
Oh, I guess party's over for me. I have to get to work.
Actually, I have to wear a .... SUIT!....
Well, shit.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:09:46am |
re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, I guess party's over for me. I have to get to work.
Actually, I have to wear a ... SUIT!...
Well, shit.
Brutal.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:10:12am |
re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
We're trying to be funny right now, Extra Lough... c'mon! Join the party!
Try harder!
nyuck nyuck
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:10:20am |
re: #109 Spare O'Lake
43% of Dems want the mosque forcibly moved?
61% of Dems want the mosque voluntarily moved?
Wowsers.
By a 45 - 31 percent margin, New York State voters say they have a "generally favorable" opinion of Islam, with 24 percent undecided.
Who knew NY had so many bigots.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:11:02am |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:19:18am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:19:35am |
My mom is in NC. Guess I need to call her and make sure she has water.
[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:21:59am |
My ID expires today. Guess I am officially off the grid. I kinda feel good about this.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:23:38am |
re: #125 Cannadian Club Akbar
My ID expires today. Guess I am officially off the grid. I kinda feel good about this.
I don't know about FL but in Indiana the hoops you have to jump through just to get a damn drivers license is getting out of hand. You have to have 83 pieces of id, plus you have to take your mom and the physician who pulled you into the world with you.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:23:45am |
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:25:28am |
Watching Morning Joe. I am so tired of the stupid and ignorant meme that only poor kids go into the military therefore the war in Afghanistan needs to end. Not only isn't it close to reality it's a pathetic reason for being an isolationist. People are not only stupid, they're assholes to boot.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:25:41am |
re: #126 RogueOne
Same here. Luckily, I get paid tomorrow, but mainly in cash. Plus, my brother's GF works at the bank.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:28:09am |
re: #128 RogueOne
If the United States military can not help a person escape the tenacious jaws of poverty? What can?
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harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:28:57am |
re: #120 RogueOne
Ain't it lucky that you've got that Constitution thing, so that prejudice formed of mis-information means that while, thanks for the opinion and all that - it don't matter.
You know what I love the smell of in the morning? Religious freedom.
What's that smell of?
Oh yeah! Victory.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:29:41am |
re: #130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If the United States military can not help a person escape the tenacious jaws of poverty? What can?
The gubment?
/Oh, wait. They help keep you there.
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harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:30:01am |
re: #131 harlequinade
Ain't it lucky that you've got that Constitution thing, so that prejudice formed by mis-information means that while, thanks for the opinion and all that - it don't matter.
You know what I love the smell of in the morning? Religious freedom.
What's that smell of?
Oh yeah! Victory.
PIMF, apparently
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:35:02am |
Uh, just had a guy on my radio talking about how he might need sandbags for hurricane Earl. Yes, sandbags versus 135 mile an hour winds. All should be fine.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:37:05am |
re: #134 Cannadian Club Akbar
Uh, just had a guy on my radio talking about how he might need sandbags for hurricane Earl. Yes, sandbags versus 135 mile an hour winds. All should be fine.
I remember watching a Mythbusters episode where they built an air cannon to simulate hurricane-force winds, and propelled a piece of metal wire all the way through a palm tree. It blew completely through the trunk and impacted on the wall on the far side. The original test was to see if a piece of straw would blow through a tree, which was busted, but it still packed a significant amount of force.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:37:22am |
re: #131 harlequinade
What's that smell of?
Oh yeah! Victory.
Just so you know... I didn't hear Bobby De Niro there. I heard Macho Man Randy Savage.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:39:39am |
re: #131 harlequinade
It's both disrespectful and patronizing to the millions of people who volunteered. They weren't drafted, they didn't need to try to get out of service, they intentionally chose to sign up and put on a uniform. For isolationist idiots to act like they care so much about their plight that they're willing to misrepresent reality while insulting their intelligence to save them is annoying.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:39:59am |
re: #135 thedopefishlives
I had a new neighbor and we had a TS or something coming through. I didn't know him or where he was from. I left a very nice note asking him to stow his 2 x 4's. He did. He was from Bama.
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harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:41:10am |
re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just so you know... I didn't hear Bobby De Niro there. I heard Macho Man Randy Savage.
:D Really? I was going for Stephen Fry (and...wasn't it Booby Duval?)
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harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:43:05am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:47:52am |
This is awesome.
Matt the sports magnet.
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harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:50:41am |
re: #142 RogueOne
I had already moved past that, just surprising how many bigots occupy a state considered a beacon of civilization.
Exactly. And I was saying, thanks for the concern and all, but it doesn't matter.
The polls, the mud slinging - because the Religious Freedom thing makes that just moot.
And - wasn't Byzantium once the beacon of civilization?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:50:49am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:52:29am |
It might not rain today. First time in a week.
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Romantic Heretic Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:58:54am |
When I was a computer programmer I used to piss off the AI freaks in my profession by saying, "How can we fake something when we don't know what it is?"
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abolitionist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:02:07am |
re: #147 Romantic Heretic
When I was a computer programmer I used to piss off the AI freaks in my profession by saying, "How can we fake something when we don't know what it is?"
Poker players call it a bluff.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:03:09am |
re: #147 Romantic Heretic
When I was a computer programmer I used to piss off the AI freaks in my profession by saying, "How can we fake something when we don't know what it is?"
I would piss them off by calling them geeks.
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:08:18am |
All righty. Taking a nap. See ya'll in a bit.
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harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:16:52am |
Wow. Multiple Posts. What happened there.
Can someone delete some?
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:25:11am |
re: #140 harlequinade
They're just following the false logic of:
There are no non-bigoted reasons for opposing the community center:
Therefore:
Everyone opposing the community center is a bigot.
It's just a failure of logic, overlooking ignorance, provocation, disinformation, and the fact that the poll asks totally irrelevant questions.
I mean, I'm pretty much 'against' organized religion. I feel it does more harm than good. Does that mean I 'oppose' it? No. Do I wish all organized religions would spontaneously divest and transform into secular organizations devoted to good works? Sure. Does that mean I'm bigoted against religion? No.
The question about 'voluntarily' moving the community center is probably the funniest of all.
"He, we all voted on what you should voluntarily do. So, um, that's meaningful. Somehow."
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:27:37am |
re: #153 Varek Raith
What do you do again? I mean, aside from plot galactic takeovers?
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:28:54am |
re: #154 Obdicut
What do you do again? I mean, aside from plot galactic takeovers?
The overnight stocking crew didn't bother to show up (3 of them).
Guess who had to fill in?
On the plus side, I got time and a half.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:30:35am |
re: #155 Varek Raith
Ah, time and a half. I remember it half fondly, half with hate.
At EA, I worked a 110 hour week, including a straight 60 hours there. Yes, I did sleep some of that time, but it was asleep at my desk waiting for the phone to ring. And I slept about six hours total.
We had to create a whole new Excel spreadsheet so we could actually get paid what we were owed.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:31:18am |
re: #151 harlequinade
Refresh your browser. All will be well.
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:31:33am |
re: #156 Obdicut
Ah, time and a half. I remember it half fondly, half with hate.
At EA, I worked a 110 hour week, including a straight 60 hours there. Yes, I did sleep some of that time, but it was asleep at my desk waiting for the phone to ring. And I slept about six hours total.
We had to create a whole new Excel spreadsheet so we could actually get paid what we were owed.
Damn!
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:32:22am |
re: #158 Varek Raith
Damn!
It was for a pretty shitty game, too-- Bond: Nightfire for the PS2.
Every bad story you've ever heard about EA is true.
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:32:55am |
re: #159 Obdicut
It was for a pretty shitty game, too-- Bond: Nightfire for the PS2.
Every bad story you've ever heard about EA is true.
ZOMG YOU WORKED FOR EA?!?!?!
BEGONE, SATAN!!!
/
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:33:45am |
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
Another news story on the Murfreesboro mosque site kerfluffle.
The women quoted at the bottom should get a letter from some indigenous Americans on how they were there first and she should go back to where ever her ancestors came from... :p
(Of course if you followed that to its logical end everyone should move back to Africa. Though I think it would get a wee bit crowded before too long. And also allow the blancmanges from the Andromeda Galaxy to finally win Wimbledon.)
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:34:47am |
re: #161 oaktree
They would also simultaneously lose Wimbledon, though. Unless they just tied a racket to the head of a sheep and put it on the other side of the court.
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:35:03am |
re: #161 oaktree
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
Another news story on the Murfreesboro mosque site kerfluffle.
The women quoted at the bottom should get a letter from some indigenous Americans on how they were there first and she should go back to where ever her ancestors came from... :p
(Of course if you followed that to its logical end everyone should move back to Africa. Though I think it would get a wee bit crowded before too long. And also allow the blancmanges from the Andromeda Galaxy to finally win Wimbledon.)
And after we get back to Africa we should go back to the oceans. Then back to Mars. Then...
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:38:48am |
I will never forgive EA for Origin's demise.
NEVER!!!
*Readies catapults*
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harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:41:15am |
re: #156 Obdicut
Ah, time and a half. I remember it half fondly, half with hate.
At EA, I worked a 110 hour week, including a straight 60 hours there. Yes, I did sleep some of that time, but it was asleep at my desk waiting for the phone to ring. And I slept about six hours total.
We had to create a whole new Excel spreadsheet so we could actually get paid what we were owed.
Pfft. Wuss. When I was at Crytek on FarCry there were many mornings that...
eh. The industry sucks :) Congrats on surviving it
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:42:07am |
re: #162 Obdicut
They would also simultaneously lose Wimbledon, though. Unless they just tied a racket to the head of a sheep and put it on the other side of the court.
Or there are more than one blancmange perhaps?
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harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:42:23am |
re: #152 Obdicut
nodnod. Normally I just let it slide by, but my Concern-meter was well over full.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:44:09am |
Good morning!
After my run in with he ash a few days ago, I moved to another pile of wood and lucky for my ego, it was some cherry that came down in a windstorm. Cherry splits easily and makes one feel like Paul Bunyon. Beautiful reddish orange inside.
After 2 days of that, I eyed that big ash log again and in the returning oppressive humidity of southern Ohio, I gave it a good whack with the maul and opened a seem down the side. Smiling, I hit it twice more and it split open like a (deleted sex worker reference).
That was satisfying. I think I'll do the dishes next.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:45:06am |
re: #166 oaktree
Or there are more than one blancmange perhaps?
That's what I meant about them simultaneously losing it.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:46:38am |
re: #168 Jeff In Ohio
Good morning!
After my run in with he ash a few days ago, I moved to another pile of wood and lucky for my ego, it was some cherry that came down in a windstorm. Cherry splits easily and makes one feel like Paul Bunyon. Beautiful reddish orange inside.
After 2 days of that, I eyed that big ash log again and in the returning oppressive humidity of southern Ohio, I gave it a good whack with the maul and opened a seem down the side. Smiling, I hit it twice more and it split open like a (deleted sex worker reference).
That was satisfying. I think I'll do the dishes next.
My brother's woodlot is ash, hickory, and oak. I've also helped split cherry as well in the past. Good way to get a bit of exercise.
And splitting hickory is simply a big pain.
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:47:46am |
re: #170 oaktree
My brother's woodlot is ash, hickory, and oak. I've also helped split cherry as well in the past. Good way to get a bit of exercise.
And splitting hickory is simply a big pain.
Dynamite.
Problem solved.
/
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:48:46am |
re: #170 oaktree
Hickory is pretty knotty if I recall. Don' have any around here. my granys farm has lots of Shag Hickory. Ash is the shit for burning - really dense wood.
I can think of better ways to get exercise. But hey, beats burning oil!
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:55:17am |
re: #156 Obdicut
My wife got the classic promotion from hourly to salary with a 2 year pay freeze at the start of the recession. Her new position was at the bottom of the range class, her old at the top. The yearly was the same, but of course no overtime. We took a 20% income cut. 2011 is the end of that 2 years, but there are no guarantees. I use to not want to go to her work parties, now she won't let me go as she knows I'll get in his face about it. Luckily she loves he job.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:56:00am |
I think Glenn Beck is Gods gift to America.
Discuss.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:56:30am |
re: #172 Jeff In Ohio
Hickory is pretty knotty if I recall. Don' have any around here. my granys farm has lots of Shag Hickory. Ash is the shit for burning - really dense wood.
I can think of better ways to get exercise. But hey, beats burning oil!
Hickory is also stringy. You drive the maul in, it splits, and then the crack in the log simply closes up when you take the maul out. My brother ends up using wedges with the bigger logs in order to make headway.
The ash and hickory do burn nice in the wood stove though.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:59:07am |
re: #174 Jeff In Ohio
I think Glenn Beck is Gods gift to America.
Discuss.
Are you implying that Rev Wright was right?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:59:50am |
re: #174 Jeff In Ohio
I think Glenn Beck is Gods gift to America.
Discuss.
Why, because his monumental stupidity acts as a shining beacon, illuminating all that is wrong with this country?
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:59:58am |
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:00:49am |
re: #177 thedopefishlives
Why, because his monumental stupidity acts as a shining beacon, illuminating all that is wrong with this country?
I considered that his morning. Then I got out of bed.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:01:12am |
re: #152 Obdicut
They're just following the false logic of:
There are no non-bigoted reasons for opposing the community center:
Therefore:
Everyone opposing the community center is a bigot.
It's just a failure of logic, overlooking ignorance, provocation, disinformation, and the fact that the poll asks totally irrelevant questions.
I mean, I'm pretty much 'against' organized religion. I feel it does more harm than good. Does that mean I 'oppose' it? No. Do I wish all organized religions would spontaneously divest and transform into secular organizations devoted to good works? Sure. Does that mean I'm bigoted against religion? No.
The question about 'voluntarily' moving the community center is probably the funniest of all.
"He, we all voted on what you should voluntarily do. So, um, that's meaningful. Somehow."
It is you who is not being logical...but then again, I am not saying that you are being illogical.
As for the "voluntarily" poll, the meaning is clear for anyone who cares to open their closed mind a crack. It clearly means that they are in favour of the mosque being moved but only if the developer is agreeable.
Have a good day...but then again knowing you, I suspect you will argue that I am not saying you shouldn't have a bad day.
Sheesh.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:02:53am |
re: #174 Jeff In Ohio
I think Glenn Beck is Gods gift to America.
Discuss.
I hope God has a generous exchange policy.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:26am |
Joe Biden says tax the rich, then BBQ their bodies to feed the Mexican hordes.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:05:07am |
re: #181 Spare O'Lake
I hope God has a generous exchange policy.
He does. Unfortunately for MLK and RFK, we got GB. I've got a feeling no one's is writing songs about Glenn's contributions to the fabric of America.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:05:31am |
re: #181 Spare O'Lake
I hope God has a generous exchange policy.
Every time someone says something is idiot-proof, that's merely a challenge for God to invent a bigger idiot.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:06:31am |
re: #183 Jeff In Ohio
Oh you meant generous for the living! I think it works the other way.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:09:15am |
re: #185 Jeff In Ohio
Oh you meant generous for the living! I think it works the other way.
I dunno about you, but once I'm dead I doubt I'm gonna give a flying hoot about Glenn Beck.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:12:26am |
re: #186 Spare O'Lake
I dunno about you, but once I'm dead I doubt I'm gonna give a flying hoot about Glenn Beck.
I honestly have a hard time giving a hoot about him while living. But what I meant was that we kill to great leaders and god punishes us by giving us Glenn Beck.
It's all blabber to me. My god is the dirt.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:12:59am |
Good morning honcos. I just called Maytag to come out and fix my washing machine. They won't be here till Thursday morning. I hope Zedushka has enough underwear to last till them.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:15:13am |
re: #188 Alouette
Good morning honcos. I just called Maytag to come out and fix my washing machine. They won't be here till Thursday morning. I hope Zedushka has enough underwear to last till them.
I thought the Maytag repairman had nothing to do with his time and would come running.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:18:56am |
Move over birthers...here come the dunkers
The phrase, “having been baptized,” is apparently based on Obama’s claim about being baptized. Our major media haven’t questioned the claim.Miller went on to say, “His baptism presents its own problems. The senior pastor at Trinity at the time of Obama’s baptism was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., the preacher who was seen damning America on cable TV…”
Notice the formulation, “at the time of Obama’s baptism.” She carefully does not say that Wright performed the baptism. In fact, there’s no evidence it was a baptism in the traditional sense that it was performed by Wright or anybody else. It looks like Obama walked down the aisle and made a profession of faith. That is not a Christian baptism.
These people are forever lost in their bubbles.
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:20:10am |
re: #191 darthstar
Move over birthers...here come the dunkers
These people are forever lost in their bubbles.
Lol.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:20:40am |
re: #191 darthstar
Move over birthers...here come the dunkers
These people are forever lost in their bubbles.
Mobile goalposts are such wonderful things...
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:22:07am |
re: #188 Alouette
Good morning honcos. I just called Maytag to come out and fix my washing machine. They won't be here till Thursday morning. I hope Zedushka has enough underwear to last till them.
What is this "underwear" of which you speak!?!?
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:22:25am |
re: #190 Spare O'Lake
I thought the Maytag repairman had nothing to do with his time and would come running.
Maytag outsourced their service department to Whirlpool.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:23:03am |
re: #194 sattv4u2
What is this "underwear" of which you speak!?!?
It's the clothing you wear when you visit Australia. Must include the proper sort of hat, an appreciation of beer, and a dislike of cane toads.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:23:44am |
re: #191 darthstar
Clearly when Obama said he was baptized, he meant he was baptized in oppressive injustice at the hands of whitey.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:25:11am |
re: #193 oaktree
Mobile goalposts are such wonderful things...
Quite Idiotarian...good thing a president only has to eat it for 4-8 years.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:26:56am |
Minuteman PAC -- Now With More Islamophobia?
In an e-mail last week, the Minuteman PAC used an attack on Rep. Andre Carson (D-IN) to fundraise against his re-election campaign, referring to Carson as an "Islamist" who is "championing Islam, the Ground Zero Mosque and Sharia law in America!"
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:27:19am |
re: #195 Alouette
Maytag outsourced their service department to Whirlpool.
Unless the appliance under warrant, I use Sears. Dude is always here the same day. Last time, my wife complained about the dryer making a scraping sound. Huh? I said? She's been out of the country for 3 weeks, we had no problems, and suddenly the dryer is making scraping noises? So I called Sears, the guy opens the door, reaches in the back and pulls out a chunk of magnetite (she had given one of the girls) stuck to the drum.
Mr. Mom was not happy.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:41:23am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. For those who can remember riding the subways in the 1970s and 1980s.. here's a vivid reminder of the way things were (and could be again if the MTA doesn't get its act together).
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:41:32am |
Here's a story that every news organization an pundit got 100% WRONG
[Link: www.azcentral.com...]
Here's the correct spin. This person, knowingly and willfully, signed a contract to live in a deed-restricted community. One of the restrictions was on outdoor decorations.
Now, he's unhappy with the CONTRACT he signed when he bought his house, and he wants the GOVERNMENT to undo a legally binding contract between two parties.
This is 100% contrary to every libertarian goal he claims he stands for.
Many states, including Florida and his own Arizona, have passed laws negating HOA restrictions on American flags. I was 100% opposed to those laws. Why? Because it lowers the value of my NON-HOA property where I can fly a flag! You shouldn't be able to enter into a contract, decide it's stupid, and then go crying to to government to make that contract un-enforceable. And it's shocking that these flag provisions are largely supported by conservatives! It makes no sense.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:43:20am |
re: #200 Jeff In Ohio
I'm a fan of the Sears repair guys. They usually get to the bottom of the issue pretty quickly, and we had a noisy dryer. I watched him disassemble some of the key items, and once I saw how it was done, I could make the same fix (namely lint built up on the impeller rotors causing it to become unbalanced and less efficient). I now clean it out fairly regularly and it does wonders.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:44:11am |
re: #199 Killgore Trout
I rarely see anti-mosque propoganda on the net which does not have the "shariah" dogwhistle attached.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:46:27am |
re: #202 reuven
Here's a story that every news organization an pundit got 100% WRONG
[Link: www.azcentral.com...]
Here's the correct spin. This person, knowingly and willfully, signed a contract to live in a deed-restricted community. One of the restrictions was on outdoor decorations.
Now, he's unhappy with the CONTRACT he signed when he bought his house, and he wants the GOVERNMENT to undo a legally binding contract between two parties.
This is 100% contrary to every libertarian goal he claims he stands for.
Many states, including Florida and his own Arizona, have passed laws negating HOA restrictions on American flags. I was 100% opposed to those laws. Why? Because it lowers the value of my NON-HOA property where I can fly a flag! You shouldn't be able to enter into a contract, decide it's stupid, and then go crying to to government to make that contract un-enforceable. And it's shocking that these flag provisions are largely supported by conservatives! It makes no sense.
In Canada, many agreements have been declared void by the courts on the basis that they are against public policy, and rightly so.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:47:32am |
It now appears that Hurricane Earl is setting up to take a run along the East Coast. No direct strikes, but a glancing blow, even as far North as the NY Metro area Friday (where the models are predicting that it may remain as a Cat 2 storm).
It's a good time to check up on your disaster preparedness (actually the right time is before hurricane season begins, but disaster prep is something to do year round, not just right before one hits).
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:53:14am |
re: #206 lawhawk
It now appears that Hurricane Earl is setting up to take a run along the East Coast. No direct strikes, but a glancing blow, even as far North as the NY Metro area Friday (where the models are predicting that it may remain as a Cat 2 storm).
It's a good time to check up on your disaster preparedness (actually the right time is before hurricane season begins, but disaster prep is something to do year round, not just right before one hits).
TRANSLATION
People from Nags Head south to the Keys
GO TO HOME DEPOT TODAY AND BUY PLYWOOD,,don't do what you usually do and wait till the storm is 12 hours out to board up your windows
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:54:02am |
re: #207 sattv4u2
TRANSLATION
People from Nags Head south to the Keys
GO TO HOME DEPOT TODAY AND BUY PLYWOOD,,don't do what you usually do and wait till the storm is 12 hours out to board up your windows
Also - make sure you have a full take of gas. I did NOT do that one time, and regretted it.
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:55:01am |
re: #205 Spare O'Lake
You and I may think "rightly so", but in order for the Libertarian way of things to work, contracts must be generally enforceable.
I detest HOAs, and have decided to buy a house that is not in an HOA-restricted community. For example, I wanted to be able to install solar electric panels, which were restricted in many areas. Not to mention decorative items and accessories associated with Jewish holidays--Mezuzahs, a Hanukkiah in the window during Hanukkah, or a Sukkah. These are still banned in most HOAs. (When I retire, on my list of things to do, is to find HOAs that explicitly allow Christmas decorations but ban ones associated with Judaism, and sue!)
In Florida, the courts, citing "public policy" have made it illegal to restrict solar PV electric panels in HOA community. A Libertarian would believe--or should believe--they have no right to undo a valid contract between two people. I
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:56:20am |
re: #208 reine.de.tout
Also - make sure you have a full take of gas. I did NOT do that one time, and regretted it.
And batteries!
btw ,, I always wondered if it's the same people going to Home Depot each year complaining there's no plywood left!
"WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE PLYWOOD FROM LAST YEARS STORMS!?!?"
/
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darthstar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:56:31am |
re: #207 sattv4u2
TRANSLATION
People from Nags Head south to the Keys
GO TO HOME DEPOT TODAY AND BUY PLYWOOD,,don't do what you usually do and wait till the storm is 12 hours out to board up your windows
Maybe you should bold the "Nags Head south to the Keys" part...otherwise, you could cause a run on plywood in Kansas.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:57:12am |
re: #211 darthstar
Maybe you should bold the "Nags Head south to the Keys" part...otherwise, you could cause a run on plywood in Kansas.
No way
Dorothy and Toto need theirs
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:59:21am |
re: #207 sattv4u2
Actually, the track looks like it's the Outer Banks north along the coast through New York and New England.
And to echo Darthstar, what exactly do people do with all the plywood they buy for each previous storm? And if they're buying plywood each time, why not simply invest in good storm shutters?
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Guanxi88 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:59:32am |
re: #3 McSpiff
Interesting choice of quote tonight Charles.
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:03:06am |
Hm...could be the two guys busted in Amsterdam are merely guilty of FWA (flying while Arab).
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Guanxi88 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:03:55am |
Was just down at the Austin municipal court - witness, not a defendant, thank you - and noticed the area and its immediate environs are bum central. Man, they got every type of bum you'd ever want to see down around there.
Watched a guy standing in a parking lot chunking roach-coach burritos down to his compadre, who had taken up residence in one of the larger storm drains. Guy down below could be heard bitching about the low quality and the fact they weren't chorizo,
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Guanxi88 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:04:52am |
re: #215 darthstar
Hm...could be the two guys busted in Amsterdam are merely guilty of FWA (flying while Arab).
Could be - could also be a pattern of unusual behavior corresponding, in significant parts, with known patterns of attempted terrorist attacks. Time will tell.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:05:51am |
re: #213 lawhawk
Actually, the track looks like it's the Outer Banks north along the coast through New York and New England.
And to echo Darthstar, what exactly do people do with all the plywood they buy for each previous storm? And if they're buying plywood each time, why not simply invest in good storm shutters?
Storm Shutters are now for the most part decorative, not functional. They're usually made of lighter woods and don't hold up to heavy winds
Along the coasts of the Carolinas you can have sturdier ones custom made/ installed (as I did when I lived near the coast)
Cheaper suggestion ,,KEEP the plywood you bought last time!
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Guanxi88 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:07:13am |
re: #218 sattv4u2
Cheaper suggestion ,,KEEP the plywood you bought last time!
Yeah, but then you end up on Hoarders.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:07:44am |
re: #217 Guanxi88
Could be - could also be a pattern of unusual behavior corresponding, in significant parts, with known patterns of attempted terrorist attacks. Time will tell.
Or people travelling home with some hard-to-get items poorly packed.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:08:24am |
re: #219 Guanxi88
Yeah, but then you end up on Hoarders.
Only if you have 20 windows in your house and have 1,165 sheets of plywood!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:10:05am |
re: #220 darthstar
Or people travelling home with some hard-to-get items poorly packed.
Yup,.,, there's a HUGE Pepto Bismol black market in Amsterdam!
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Guanxi88 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:10:27am |
re: #220 darthstar
Or people travelling home with some hard-to-get items poorly packed.
Could be, could be indeed. After all, who among us doesn't tape together cell phones, or affix items to pepto bismol bottles, pack our checked luggage with knives (what, they don't have ironworking in the Netherlands?), and then changed flight plans at the last minute, checking luggage for flights we aren't actually taking after all?
Again, could be nothing, but who can say?
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:10:50am |
re: #220 darthstar
Or people travelling home with some hard-to-get items poorly packed.
This was my first thought! Someone used an empty water bottle as packing material for a few phones they were trying to transport (so they wouldn't get crushed)....we'll know in a few weeks if anything comes of this case!
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Guanxi88 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:12:20am |
All that said, these yemenis could just be weird guys. I'm informed weirdness is pretty widely distributed in our species.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:13:57am |
re: #224 reuven
Or people travelling home with some hard-to-get items poorly packed.
This was my first thought! Someone used an empty water bottle as packing material for a few phones they were trying to transport (so they wouldn't get crushed)...we'll know in a few weeks if anything comes of this case!
Faster than that - Dutch got six days to file charges or cut them loose. or so I hear.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:14:11am |
re: #213 lawhawk
silly storm shutters are ugly(if my architecht wanted me to have storm shutters,he would have designed the house with them)
and piles of plywood are unsightly
/
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darthstar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:17:35am |
re: #221 sattv4u2
Only if you have 20 windows in your house and have 1,165 sheets of plywood!
Well, you got your Category 1 storm plywood, see? That's the 1/8th inch stuff. Then you got your basic wind-storm stuff...that's the particle board over there...not worth shit if it rains, but it holds up okay in 60mph winds. Now for Cat-2 and Cat-3 storms, I usually go with 1/4 inch on the small windows, and half inch on the sliding glass doors. The 5/8 inch and 1 inch stuff is for the Katrinas, but they ain't all that common here in the mountains anyway, so I'm not sure why I bought that stuff. Oh, and the diamond-plate? That's special order...for the asteroids.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:18:37am |
if i lived in one of the areas that are prone to hurricanes,my house would look like one of those atlantic wall bunkers
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:20:29am |
re: #229 Boondock St. Bender
if i lived in one of the areas that are prone to hurricanes,my house would look like one of those atlantic wall bunkers
Got to be careful with those. They tend to attract Army Rangers...
Guess I'll have to talk to the apartment maintenance guy and see what he recommends for up here. I'm 14 stories up, so I don't think I'll be outside putting up plywood over the windows.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:21:33am |
re: #180 Spare O'Lake
It is you who is not being logical...but then again, I am not saying that you are being illogical.
You might want to actually, you know, make an argument about that. The way I did. Rather than just asserting it.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:23:52am |
re: #218 sattv4u2
[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]
Depends on the kind you're talking about. True hurricane shutters are far more durable and protect against flying debris better than plywood.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:23:59am |
re: #229 Boondock St. Bender
if i lived in one of the areas that are prone to hurricanes,my house would look like one of those atlantic wall bunkers
There are old WW 2 bunkers on the islands off the coast of Portland Maine that people have converted into either houses or in some cases as the foundation/ basement/ garage of a house built on top of them
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:24:19am |
assuming you have sliding glass doors,minimally tape them up(duct tape)
while you're at the store getting the tape,get a razor scraperand some windex (to remove the tape glue off the window when it's all over)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:26:32am |
The North East versus a hurricane. I'll go with the hurricane.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:26:46am |
re: #235 Boondock St. Bender
RECYCLING sweet!
The most prominent one is called Battery Steele. I think the state still owns that one, but there are others that are now privately owed
[Link: www.google.com...]
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:26:46am |
re: #234 Boondock St. Bender
And if you have outdoor furniture, make sure you've got them secured.
Stuff that isn't secured becomes a projectile hazard.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:27:56am |
re: #238 lawhawk
And if you have outdoor furniture, make sure you've got them secured.
Stuff that isn't secured becomes a projectile hazard.
and pets,,, don't forget the pets!
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:28:51am |
re: #239 sattv4u2
and pets,,, don't forget the pets!
Yeah - the teeth make the projectile especially dangerous/
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:28:54am |
re: #233 sattv4u2
There are old WW 2 bunkers on the islands off the coast of Portland Maine that people have converted into either houses or in some cases as the foundation/ basement/ garage of a house built on top of them
Maybe you can get a good deal on one of these...
Image: ?action=view¤t=ab_16in_w2_us.jpg
...and have it installed to keep intruders away. (From 20 miles off...)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:30:04am |
Crap. Bad link. Sorry. :(
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:30:16am |
re: #241 oaktree
Maybe you can get a good deal on one of these...
Image: ?action=view¤t=ab_16in_w2_us.jpg
...and have it installed to keep intruders away. (From 20 miles off...)
Clicky no Worky!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:31:01am |
Better link.
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:31:02am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:32:43am |
Earl is coming. We are all gonna die.
/
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:33:00am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:33:17am |
I need to work on my link-fu, especially for images and such. :p
For those who are curious the photo is of a 16in coastal defense gun. Located at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland at the time I took the photograph of it.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:34:52am |
re: #244 oaktree
Better link.
I've been told by island historians that big guns (can't recall what type) were mounted on many of the bunkers I linked too
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:35:00am |
re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar
Earl is coming. We are all gonna die.
/
Dixie Chicks.
Earl's Gotta Die.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:36:03am |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:37:02am |
5 Teens Arrested for Hate Crime, 1 for Felony Possession of Weapon
After a group of worshippers at a mosque in Waterport said they had been targets of violence--five teens, all from Holley, were arrested Tuesday for a hate crime -- disrupting a religious service
One of those person was arrested on felony charges of illegal possession of a weapon.
According to Jacob Zimmerman, member of the World Sufi Foundation, Monday night during evening prayers, cars drove by the mosque with people yelling obscenities and squealing tires—and gunshots were fired
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:37:50am |
I just finished off the second half of a burrito I made from Fillet Mignon. Awesome.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:37:58am |
re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar
My sound card went boom.:(
Tap your foot fast and say things about killing men in a rhythmic fashion.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:39:03am |
re: #252 Killgore Trout
5 Teens Arrested for Hate Crime, 1 for Felony Possession of Weapon
We're really not helping the Sufis love us, are we...
(hi everyone...just ducking in for a minute because i've been missing lgf)
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:40:03am |
re: #255 Aceofwhat?
We're really not helping the Sufis love us, are we...
(hi everyone...just ducking in for a minute because i've been missing lgf)
Hi Ace! All I can say is. It starts Saturday!!!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:40:04am |
re: #255 Aceofwhat?
We're really not helping the Sufis love us, are we...
(hi everyone...just ducking in for a minute because i've been missing lgf)
The place just isn't the same without you!
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:40:27am |
re: #232 lawhawk
[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]
Depends on the kind you're talking about. True hurricane shutters are far more durable and protect against flying debris better than plywood.
steel shutters, bolted on, are the style here in jacksonville during big storms.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:40:46am |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:40:55am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:41:23am |
re: #254 Jeff In Ohio
Tap your foot fast and say things about killing men in a rhythmic fashion.
Very clearly one of my LEAST favorite songs, evah.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:42:37am |
re: #256 Stanley Sea
Hi Ace! All I can say is. It starts Saturday!!!
Are you kidding me?? It starts Thursday! Will Garcia at South Carolina continue to throw interceptions, causing Spurrier to throw his visor? Will Terrelle Pryor be the guy we saw against Oregon or the guy we saw against Purdue?
Remember, i love the SEC but i love the big10, too. I CAN'T WAIT!!
(Hi Sattv...i swear, if you mess up these feeds, i will drive to Hotlanta myself and egg your house//)
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:43:01am |
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:43:40am |
re: #260 Killgore Trout
American Muslims Unveil Suspiciously Un-Muslim ‘We Won’t Kill You’ Ad
[Video]
How clever...
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:44:21am |
re: #262 Aceofwhat?
Are you kidding me?? It starts Thursday! Will Garcia at South Carolina continue to throw interceptions, causing Spurrier to throw his visor? Will Terrelle Pryor be the guy we saw against Oregon or the guy we saw against Purdue?
Remember, i love the SEC but i love the big10, too. I CAN'T WAIT!!
(Hi Sattv...i swear, if you mess up these feeds, i will drive to Hotlanta myself and egg your house//)
Over easy with wheat toast and hash browns, coffee, dark with no sugar!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:44:43am |
Taking a quick nap before I go to a job I now hate.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:45:13am |
re: #265 sattv4u2
Over easy with wheat toast and hash browns, coffee, dark with no sugar!
Wheat toast is ebil.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:45:17am |
re: #265 sattv4u2
Over easy with wheat toast and hash browns, coffee, dark with no sugar!
Heh...he thinks i'm kidding...
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:45:50am |
re: #268 Aceofwhat?
Heh...he thinks i'm kidding...
Heh,, so does he
(and a refill on the coffee, please!!)
/
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:46:35am |
re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wheat toast is ebil.
I prefer raisin, but with over easy eggs I like to dunk!
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:47:20am |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:47:24am |
re: #259 Cannadian Club Akbar
UF vs. USF?
First, Miami of Ohio. Then USF. Then: Tenn, KY, Bama, LSU.
and away we go.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:47:27am |
alrighty, gotta run...lunchtime workout beckons. be back soon, if time permits-
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:47:49am |
re: #249 sattv4u2
I've been told by island historians that big guns (can't recall what type) were mounted on many of the bunkers I linked too
Gun from my photo was made in 1943 if I recall correctly. There's probably a number of museums along the coast with good data on coastal defense set-ups. I suspect however that examples of the actual guns are probably few and far between due to being scrapped for use in later wars.
Baltimore's Fort McHenry has samples of guns over a period of time for one. War of 1812 era smoothbores (24 lbrs) up through 8in rifles from the turn of the century and a whole set of the big 15in (or so) smoothbore Dahlgren and Rodman designs from 1864-1867.
Two places I haven't visited (yet) that I know of are old coastal defense locations near New York City (Fort Hancock) and the Washington, D.C. approaches (Fort Hunt/Fort Washington.) Though the latter simply have battery positions, but not actual ordnance.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:47:58am |
re: #260 Killgore Trout
American Muslims Unveil Suspiciously Un-Muslim ‘We Won’t Kill You’ Ad
[Video]
That's a nice ad.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:48:17am |
re: #261 reine.de.tout
Very clearly one of my LEAST favorite songs, evah.
Oh I don't know. When I played in a cover country band, it was the lead off tune. It kind of grew on me in that hokey kind of way. The ladies that fronted the band had a real big thing for Miranda Lambert and that women who's a mean drunk...can't remember her name, so I know more men hating songs then you can shake a stick at. Doesn't hold a candle to some Loretta Lynn or Jeanie Riley, but better then a lot of the fluff coming out of Nashville.
Of course, I got to song my share of Merle Haggard and Waylon Jennings, so I was the happy white haired guy playing rhythm guitar. Till they kicked me out for smoking pot. Heh. That was funny.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:48:57am |
re: #272 JasonA
Those adorable children hide a terrible secret...
Don't worry. Michelle Malkin is on the case and should be stalking everyone in that ad pronto.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:50:27am |
re: #277 Jeff In Ohio
Oh I don't know. When I played in a cover country band, it was the lead off tune. It kind of grew on me in that hokey kind of way. The ladies that fronted the band had a real big thing for Miranda Lambert and that women who's a mean drunk...can't remember her name, so I know more men hating songs then you can shake a stick at. Doesn't hold a candle to some Loretta Lynn or Jeanie Riley, but better then a lot of the fluff coming out of Nashville.
Of course, I got to song my share of Merle Haggard and Waylon Jennings, so I was the happy white haired guy playing rhythm guitar. Till they kicked me out for smoking pot. Heh. That was funny.
My daughter loved the Dixie Chicks for awhile, and when I heard that song, I was appalled.
As you say, it grows on you after awhile - but still . . .
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Guanxi88 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:50:32am |
re: #228 darthstar
Well, you got your Category 1 storm plywood, see? That's the 1/8th inch stuff. Then you got your basic wind-storm stuff...that's the particle board over there...not worth shit if it rains, but it holds up okay in 60mph winds. Now for Cat-2 and Cat-3 storms, I usually go with 1/4 inch on the small windows, and half inch on the sliding glass doors. The 5/8 inch and 1 inch stuff is for the Katrinas, but they ain't all that common here in the mountains anyway, so I'm not sure why I bought that stuff. Oh, and the diamond-plate? That's special order...for the asteroids.
I've always thought it might be nice to have awnings made of 1/2 inch boilerplate hanging by chains and riased and lowered by winches inside the three-foot thick steel reinforced concrete walls of my semi-underground bunker
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:52:08am |
re: #260 Killgore Trout
Some of you might be thinking, “I watched the entire video and there were like zero beheadings. What gives?”
LOL. Wonkette is pretty funny
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:54:42am |
re: #282 Boondock St. Bender
very cool!
Neat place (Peaks Island Maine)
I had a summer cottage there for many years before moving south, The place is like turning back the hands of time. Not a traffic light on the entire island. Not a building taller than three stories. Volunteer Fire Dept ,,,one "very small) grocery store,, and the obligatory ice cream/ candy shop
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:55:46am |
re: #279 reine.de.tout
My daughter loved the Dixie Chicks for awhile, and when I heard that song, I was appalled.
As you say, it grows on you after awhile - but still . . .
Yeah...women in rural bars love it and find dude-acide strangely empowering. Something to that, I think, but I'm afraid to speculate on the subtext.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:56:02am |
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:57:15am |
re: #275 oaktree
sandy hook nj has quite a few old emplacements,as well as being the former proving grounds before aberdeen(test platforms are still there.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:57:24am |
re: #286 Gus 802
Damn, that looks like Mr. Kalina my high school calculus teacher.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:58:48am |
re: #290 Jeff In Ohio
Damn, that looks like Mr. Kalina my high school calculus teacher.
Am I seeing things or is that a new look for Wonkette?
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:00:06am |
Pam Geller's complaining about a Muslim pharmacist who refused to sell someone a morning-after pill. Good for you, Pam. Do some homework and I think you'll find the this isn't unique to Islam, though...
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:00:52am |
re: #276 Gus 802
That's a nice ad.
I also find it interesting that it's not a CAIR production. Maybe American Muslims have started to figure out CAIR isn't great in the PR department.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:01:46am |
oh more storm stuff,pick up a feww days worth of non-perishables.
stuff that is easy to prepare w/o power.a few gallons of water for each family member.(just in case the muni.water goes out,or gets contaminated.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:01:52am |
re: #283 Jeff In Ohio
LOL. Wonkette is pretty funny
Yeah, whoever is running the site is doing a very good job lately.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:02:05am |
re: #294 Killgore Trout
I also find it interesting that it's not a CAIR production. Maybe American Muslims have started to figure out CAIR isn't great in the PR department.
I was thinking about that. Yeah, CAIR has a lot of baggage -- to say the least. Best to diversify.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:03:08am |
re: #293 JasonA
you would think pams buddies would be lauding such a thing...oh yeah they only do that for christians...
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:06:47am |
clean and then fill the bathtub(if you lose water you have a nice little supplyof clean water)after the storm,if you don't need it drain it.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:07:52am |
re: #299 Boondock St. Bender
clean and then fill the bathtub(if you lose water you have a nice little supplyof clean water)after the storm,if you don't need it drain it.
What's the CAT of this storm?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:08:28am |
re: #297 Gus 802
I was thinking about that. Yeah, CAIR has a lot of baggage -- to say the least. Best to diversify.
I would trust most of what comes out of CAIR. I think Spencer and Geller, over the years, has managed to make CAIR look more sinister than they really are. I'm not sure if they really are much different than any other political/social/religious advocacy group.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:09:30am |
re: #301 Walter L. Newton
I would trust most of what comes out of CAIR. I think Spencer and Geller, over the years, has managed to make CAIR look more sinister than they really are. I'm not sure if they really are much different than any other political/social/religious advocacy group.
Maybe so.
Hey, did you guys get a dusting of snow last night?
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:09:53am |
re: #298 Boondock St. Bender
you would think pams buddies would be lauding such a thing...oh yeah they only do that for christians...
You could replace "Muslim" with and I've read this story several times before. To Pam this is all a part of the plot to Islamacize America though.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:10:04am |
re: #300 Gus 802
don't know ,best to be prepared though,it's amazing how fragile some power/water systems can be in the right circumstances.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:10:47am |
re: #303 JasonA
You could replace "Muslim" with [insert Christian denomination here] and I've read this story several times before. To Pam this is all a part of the plot to Islamacize America though.
Used the wrong brackets, darnit.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:11:48am |
re: #301 Walter L. Newton
I would trust most of what comes out of CAIR. I think Spencer and Geller, over the years, has managed to make CAIR look more sinister than they really are. I'm not sure if they really are much different than any other political/social/religious advocacy group.
Did you forget the unindicted conspirator thing?
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:12:24am |
re: #303 JasonA
that's pammie shtick. muslims, all evil all the time!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:12:38am |
re: #302 Gus 802
Maybe so.
Hey, did you guys get a dusting of snow last night?
Not that I know of? Just looked at a community forum, nothing about that on there. I got off at 10:30 last night, it was clear, and I just got up, so I'm nut sure if there was any dusting, like at 5 in the morning when my girlfriend got up... can't honestly answer.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:13:13am |
re: #306 Spare O'Lake
Did you forget the unindicted conspirator thing?
Do you say "unindicted." I thought you did.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:14:10am |
re: #308 Walter L. Newton
Not that I know of? Just looked at a community forum, nothing about that on there. I got off at 10:30 last night, it was clear, and I just got up, so I'm nut sure if there was any dusting, like at 5 in the morning when my girlfriend got up... can't honestly answer.
OK Maybe I'm seeing things and it's just a lot of dry scrub. Can't trust my eyes this morning.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:15:27am |
re: #310 Gus 802
OK Maybe I'm seeing things and it's just a lot of dry scrub. Can't trust my eyes this morning.
Probably... it's 63 degrees (f) up here right now, so it couldn't have been out of the 50's last night, certainly warmer where you are.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:18:38am |
re: #304 Boondock St. Bender
don't know ,best to be prepared though,it's amazing how fragile some power/water systems can be in the right circumstances.
Checked, CAT 4...
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS REMAIN NEAR 135 MPH...215 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. EARL IS A CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE WIND SCALE. SOME FLUCTUATIONS IN INTENSITY ARE LIKELY BUT EARL IS FORECAST TO RETAIN CATEGORY FOUR STATUS FOR THE NEXT DAY OR TWO.
[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]
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cliffster Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:21:33am |
re: #261 reine.de.tout
Very clearly one of my LEAST favorite songs, evah.
me too, but I can't stop thinking of it with all this talk of the hurricane. I hope everybody's ok, can't say I'm not glad that the gulf coast is getting a little break this year. I never really worry much in Austin.. we get flooded when the hurricanes come but not much more than that. Got folks in Houston though.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:21:38am |
re: #312 Gus 802
Checked, CAT 4...
[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]
Looks like it's making a beeline for McSpiff.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:22:43am |
re: #312 Gus 802
cat 4 thats pretty ugly...hopefully it loses some steam before it hits
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:23:16am |
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:23:58am |
re: #315 Boondock St. Bender
cat 4 thats pretty ugly...hopefully it loses some steam before it hits
Report here says it will be down to a CAT 2 when it hits Nova Scotia.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:24:40am |
re: #317 Varek Raith
Where's he at?
I thought he (?) said Nova Scotia. I could be thinking about someone else.
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abolitionist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:24:46am |
I once read of a tribe that believes that if you allow yourself to be photographed, your soul is no longer your own.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:25:48am |
re: #318 Gus 802
we don't get many real hurricanes here(central jersey) all the more reason to try and prepare.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:27:08am |
re: #322 Boondock St. Bender
we don't get many real hurricanes here(central jersey) all the more reason to try and prepare.
I lived inland in Ocean County for many years. We only experienced tropical storms. Worse warning came in 1969 when we were in Long Island. Still, after all those years we never saw a hurricane.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:27:15am |
re: #318 Gus 802
thats pretty strong (most are tropical storms by the time they get that far north...if i remember correctly)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:27:22am |
Watching video on the "new" oval office.
1. What is written around the edge of the carpet? Where is that from?
(This is not ODS. I just want to know.)
2. I'm hating on that coffee table. Just don't like it.
(This is not ODS, either. It's CTDS.)
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:28:26am |
re: #322 Boondock St. Bender
we don't get many real hurricanes here(central jersey) all the more reason to try and prepare.
Here was one of your better ones, I was living in Brooklyn at the time, lots of tress down all over the place, tons of rain...
[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:28:48am |
re: #325 EmmmieG
Watching video on the "new" oval office.
1. What is written around the edge of the carpet? Where is that from?
(This is not ODS. I just want to know.)
2. I'm hating on that coffee table. Just don't like it.
(This is not ODS, either. It's CTDS.)
I first read that as "crash to desktop."
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:28:51am |
re: #323 Gus 802
I lived inland in Ocean County for many years. We only experienced tropical storms. Worse warning came in 1969 when we were in Long Island. Still, after all those years we never saw a hurricane.
1960... see my link...
[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:28:51am |
re: #323 Gus 802
its been a long time...don't think this area is really prepared for something like that.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:29:35am |
re: #325 EmmmieG
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ShaunP Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:30:02am |
re: #323 Gus 802
I lived inland in Ocean County for many years. We only experienced tropical storms. Worse warning came in 1969 when we were in Long Island. Still, after all those years we never saw a hurricane.
I remember hurricane gloria when I was a kid...
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:30:17am |
re: #329 Boondock St. Bender
its been a long time...don't think this area is really prepared for something like that.
All I can say is that if anyone is by the shoreline or in the outer peninsula or bank areas get out if it's CAT 4 or above.
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:30:29am |
re: #325 EmmmieG
Watching video on the "new" oval office.
1. What is written around the edge of the carpet? Where is that from?
(This is not ODS. I just want to know.)
2. I'm hating on that coffee table. Just don't like it.
(This is not ODS, either. It's CTDS.)
* “The Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself” – President Franklin D. Roosevelt
* “The Arc of the Moral Universe Is Long, But It Bends Towards Justice” – Martin Luther King Jr.
* “Government of the People, By the People, For the People” – President Abraham Lincoln
* “No Problem of Human Destiny Is Beyond Human Beings” – President John F. Kennedy
* “The Welfare of Each of Us Is Dependent Fundamentally Upon the Welfare of All of Us” – President Theodore Roosevelt
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Alecto Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:30:43am |
re: #191 darthstar
Move over birthers...here come the dunkers
These people are forever lost in their bubbles.
There is a huge fallacy to their logic.
I was raised in the largest Evangelical denomination (Southern Baptist,) and we do not believe that baptism is how one becomes a Christian. In fact, what the President wrote in his book is fairly textbook for what becoming a Christian is - "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved." Baptism is merely a public profession of that faith, and a way to gain church membership in the SBC.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:30:54am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:31:27am |
re: #333 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Thank you.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:31:38am |
re: #312 Gus 802
Here's a good historical primer on hurricanes that have affected the US historically, including all kinds of historical and statistical analysis.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:31:41am |
re: #325 EmmmieG
Watching video on the "new" oval office.
1. What is written around the edge of the carpet? Where is that from?
(This is not ODS. I just want to know.)
2. I'm hating on that coffee table. Just don't like it.
(This is not ODS, either. It's CTDS.)
I've always disliked how the doors blend into the walls. Put some real ones in there, dammit.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:32:07am |
re: #338 JasonA
I've always disliked how the doors blend into the walls. Put some real ones in there, dammit.
Either that, or a bookcase with a book you can pull out. They aren't fooling anyone.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:32:11am |
re: #329 Boondock St. Bender
its been a long time...don't think this area is really prepared for something like that.
[Link: www.weather.com...]
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:32:25am |
re: #338 JasonA
I've always disliked how the doors blend into the walls. Put some real ones in there, dammit.
Where's the freaking skull throne?!
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:36:14am |
re: #292 Gus 802
Am I seeing things or is that a new look for Wonkette?
Mostly all I see is Meghan McCain making suggestive moves with an elephant.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:36:22am |
re: #341 Varek Raith
Where's the freaking skull throne?!
You expect a man who rides a girl's bike to have a skull throne?
If there is a skull throne, it is in Lubyanka prison, my friend. And the skulls are real.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:37:26am |
re: #326 Walter L. Newton
Here was one of your better ones, I was living in Brooklyn at the time, lots of tress down all over the place, tons of rain...
[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]
Check these out. Hurricane Donna photos from Life magazine.
[Link: www.google.com...]
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:37:27am |
re: #313 cliffster
me too, but I can't stop thinking of it with all this talk of the hurricane. I hope everybody's ok, can't say I'm not glad that the gulf coast is getting a little break this year. I never really worry much in Austin.. we get flooded when the hurricanes come but not much more than that. Got folks in Houston though.
BR is usually safe, and always safe from flooding; we just get wind damage.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:37:36am |
re: #345 EmmmieG
Okay, true confessions. Despite speaking Russian (a little, very rusty), and having studied just a little the Soviet Union, I still initially typed that as Lusankya.
I am such a geek.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:39:30am |
Here we go... a prime example of MSM out right lies... on CNN...
"Washington (CNN) -- When President Obama steps into the Oval Office to deliver his prime-time address on Tuesday, he won't be taking a victory lap and won't utter the words "mission accomplished, a top aide says. Instead, the president will have a "change of mission" moment, where he explains the way forward in Iraq and thanks U.S. troops for their sacrifice."
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
On CNN...
Bush makes historic speech aboard warship
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Find ANYONE uttering the words "mission accomplished" in that speech?
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:41:00am |
re: #340 Walter L. Newton
luckily my town has staten island between us and the bay.the aurther kill(body of water separating us from staten island is pretty small maybe a couple hundred yards across.)usually doesn't surge badly.
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:41:40am |
re: #350 Walter L. Newton
They said Obama wouldn't utter those words. Where did they say that Bush did?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:42:01am |
re: #351 Boondock St. Bender
luckily my town has staten island between us and the bay.the aurther kill(body of water separating us from staten island is pretty small maybe a couple hundred yards across.)usually doesn't surge badly.
I know your area... I lived in Bay Ridge Brooklyn for 12 years.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:43:11am |
Hey! It's the wreck of the Captain Walter...
[Link: images.google.com...]
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:43:46am |
re: #355 Gus 802
Hey! It's the wreck of the Captain Walter...
[Link: images.google.com...]
Man, Gilligan really messed up that time.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:43:58am |
re: #352 tnguitarist
They said Obama wouldn't utter those words. Where did they say that Bush did?
Well, since they put the words in QUOTES... who are they quoting? And since they are talking about President Obama, who are they comparing his tonight's rhetoric to?
Stop pissing on me and telling me it's raining.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:43:58am |
re: #353 Walter L. Newton
cool...not far away at all.
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cliffster Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:44:03am |
early american leaders on FB:
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:47:30am |
re: #350 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure I understand the point of the Obama speech tonight. If he were smart he would have given a congratulatory speech to a military installation somewhere and called it good. There isn't any way he can think he's going to pat himself on the back tonight for having anything positive to do with Iraq. The repubs are already out beating up on him about it, he should have kept his mouth shut.
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:48:14am |
re: #359 cliffster
early american leaders on FB:
Thomas Jefferson: You lie!
Benjamin Franklin: GAZE
//
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elbruce Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:48:25am |
Weird, I tried to sign up for Glenn Beck's new site "The Blaze" and I'm not getting the confirmation email. Or the "lost my password" email. It's just not showing up...
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:48:38am |
re: #357 Walter L. Newton
Well, since they put the words in QUOTES... who are they quoting? And since they are talking about President Obama, who are they comparing his tonight's rhetoric to?
He didn't have to say it. Did you happen to notice the huge frikkin banner behind Bush that said it for him? I'm sure he didn't mean mission accomplished though.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:49:49am |
re: #360 RogueOne
I'm not sure I understand the point of the Obama speech tonight. If he were smart he would have given a congratulatory speech to a military installation somewhere and called it good. There isn't any way he can think he's going to pat himself on the back tonight for having anything positive to do with Iraq. The repubs are already out beating up on him about it, he should have kept his mouth shut.
Not true... he does have something to say, about 30 seconds worth... "My fellow Americans... I promised some of the troops would be coming home, they have come... good night and god bless"
That would cover his part in the Iraq war.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:49:53am |
re: #360 RogueOne
I'm not sure I understand the point of the Obama speech tonight. If he were smart he would have given a congratulatory speech to a military installation somewhere and called it good. There isn't any way he can think he's going to pat himself on the back tonight for having anything positive to do with Iraq. The repubs are already out beating up on him about it, he should have kept his mouth shut.
If he's smart, he'll congratulate the military on a job well done, pat himself on the back for keeping a campaign promise and concede it would not have been possible if the surge he was opposed had not worked.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:50:07am |
re: #357 Walter L. Newton
don't recall if gwb used the term in his speech,but he was standing under a huge banner(on the carrier) that said "mission accomplished"when he delivered it.although i'm sure it was refering to the overthrow of saddam's regime.not the work of pacification.
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elbruce Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:50:09am |
re: #360 RogueOne
There isn't any way he can think he's going to pat himself on the back tonight for having anything positive to do with Iraq.
After seven years of "stay the course" and "timetables embolden the terrorists," I'd say that actually deciding to leave is quite an accomplishment.
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cliffster Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:50:22am |
re: #361 Gus 802
Thomas Jefferson: You lie!
Benjamin Franklin: GAZE
//
Click here to tell King George to STFU.
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Coracle Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:51:26am |
re: #357 Walter L. Newton
Well, since they put the words in QUOTES... who are they quoting? And since they are talking about President Obama, who are they comparing his tonight's rhetoric to?
Stop pissing on me and telling me it's raining.
You're fishing for insult. If I want to tell you I'm going to say or not say a key phrase, How else would I tell you?
I'm not going to say mission accomplished.
and
I'm not going to say "mission accomplished"
have two different meanings. And you know it.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:52:26am |
re: #365 Jeff In Ohio
If he's smart, he'll congratulate the military on a job well done, pat himself on the back for keeping a campaign promise and concede it would not have been possible if the surge he was opposed had not worked.
Why remind people you made a huge mistake in judgement? The dems are already getting hammered on the economy why make yourself look bad on military affairs/foreign policy too?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:52:41am |
re: #363 tnguitarist
He didn't have to say it. Did you happen to notice the huge frikkin banner behind Bush that said it for him? I'm sure he didn't mean mission accomplished though.
Spin, spin, spin... here is what he ACTUALLY said about the mission.
"Our mission continues. Al Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger."
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
The sign was requested by the crew of the aircraft carrier, not the Bush administration.
""We took care of the production of it. We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up."[8] According to John Dickerson of Time magazine, the White House later conceded that they actually hung the banner but still insists it had been done at the request of the crew members.[9]"
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Do a little research.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:52:45am |
re: #369 Coracle
You're fishing for insult. If I want to tell you I'm going to say or not say a key phrase, How else would I tell you?
I'm not going to say mission accomplished.
and
I'm not going to say "mission accomplished"have two different meanings. And you know it.
Well, the quotes just tell you that that's precisely what the aide said, not that he was putting any particular emphasis on it.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:53:21am |
re: #367 elbruce
After seven years of "stay the course" and "timetables embolden the terrorists," I'd say that actually deciding to leave is quite an accomplishment.
I think you mean "winning" so we can leave is quite an accomplishment. Not sure what role you think the Obama administration played in all of that....
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:53:33am |
re: #366 Boondock St. Bender
don't recall if gwb used the term in his speech,but he was standing under a huge banner(on the carrier) that said "mission accomplished"when he delivered it.although i'm sure it was refering to the overthrow of saddam's regime.not the work of pacification.
he said............
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:53:54am |
re: #367 elbruce
After seven years of "stay the course" and "timetables embolden the terrorists," I'd say that actually deciding to leave is quite an accomplishment.
Ummm... except that there are still 50,000 troops stationed in country. That the DoD changed their moniker from Combat Strike Brigades to something else doesn't change the fact that the troops are still there.
There are fewer troops, but not zero.
And there is evidence that timetables have emboldened the terrorists - note the uptick in violence in Iraq that coincides with the reduction in US troops as they've taken up advisory roles and handed off to the Iraqi military.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:54:38am |
re: #366 Boondock St. Bender
don't recall if gwb used the term in his speech,but he was standing under a huge banner(on the carrier) that said "mission accomplished"when he delivered it.although i'm sure it was refering to the overthrow of saddam's regime.not the work of pacification.
It was referring to the fact that the aircraft carrier was on it's way home, was recalled before it got home to another mission, and then, on it's second trip heading home, they found out about the President coming on board, and the CREW requested the sign, in regards to THEIR two mission...
"We took care of the production of it. We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up."[8] According to John Dickerson of Time magazine, the White House later conceded that they actually hung the banner but still insists it had been done at the request of the crew members.[9]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:54:57am |
re: #375 lawhawk
Ummm... except that there are still 50,000 troops stationed in country. That the DoD changed their moniker from Combat Strike Brigades to something else doesn't change the fact that the troops are still there.
There are fewer troops, but not zero.
And there is evidence that timetables have emboldened the terrorists - note the uptick in violence in Iraq that coincides with the reduction in US troops as they've taken up advisory roles and handed off to the Iraqi military.
The phrase "Military advisors" gives Vietnam vets the shakes.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:55:41am |
re: #375 lawhawk
Ummm... except that there are still 50,000 troops stationed in country. That the DoD changed their moniker from Combat Strike Brigades to something else doesn't change the fact that the troops are still there.
There are fewer troops, but not zero.
And there is evidence that timetables have emboldened the terrorists - note the uptick in violence in Iraq that coincides with the reduction in US troops as they've taken up advisory roles and handed off to the Iraqi military.
yeppers - but - unless we pull a Korea out there we will have to leave sometime, and it's difficult to get 100,000 people out of country under cover of darkness. In otherwords - withdrawl a timetable.
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:55:44am |
For all of you folks that want to blame everything about the economy on Obama, it's funny that you don't want to give him any credit for Iraq.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:57:18am |
re: #375 lawhawk
And there is evidence that timetables have emboldened the terrorists - note the uptick in violence in Iraq that coincides with the reduction in US troops as they've taken up advisory roles and handed off to the Iraqi military.
I think an uptick in violence is to be expected. The Jihadis are going to test the stability of the country as the US withdraws. There's not much of a way around that.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:57:51am |
re: #369 Coracle
You're fishing for insult. If I want to tell you I'm going to say or not say a key phrase, How else would I tell you?
I'm not going to say mission accomplished.
and
I'm not going to say "mission accomplished"have two different meanings. And you know it.
It's a quote, and you know it. Are you telling me that the common understanding of that day was that Bush didn't say "mission accomplished?"
And the CNN article uses the term "won't utter the words." The writer of the article is referencing about SOMEONE TALKING...
Reading is comprehension.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:57:54am |
re: #370 RogueOne
Why remind people you made a huge mistake in judgement? The dems are already getting hammered on the economy why make yourself look bad on military affairs/foreign policy too?
Well, there is that. I just like it when adults admit they're wrong.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:58:35am |
re: #382 Jeff In Ohio
Well, there is that. I just like it when adults admit they're wrong.
I don't know what fantasy world you live in but we're talking politics here!///
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:59:11am |
Well. Whoever the White House aide that mentioned anything about "mission accomplished" should have kept his big mouth shut. I'm also not crazy about Boehner doing a prebuttal speech to Obama's speech. Oh well, I guess the squabble between the Reps and the Dems will go on.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:59:12am |
re: #379 tnguitarist
For all of you folks that want to blame everything about the economy on Obama, it's funny that you don't want to give him any credit for Iraq.
I complimented him above...
"My fellow Americans... I promised some of the troops would be coming home, they have come... good night and god bless"
That would cover his part in the Iraq war.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:59:56am |
re: #384 Gus 802
Well. Whoever the White House aide that mentioned anything about "mission accomplished" should have kept his big mouth shut. I'm also not crazy about Boehner doing a prebuttal speech to Obama's speech. Oh well, I guess the squabble between the Reps and the Dems will go on.
That's what I'm saying, Obama opened the door to all of this. Someone didn't think this plan all the way through.
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blueraven Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:00:12am |
re: #371 Walter L. Newton
Spin, spin, spin... here is what he ACTUALLY said about the mission.
"Our mission continues. Al Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger."
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
The sign was requested by the crew of the aircraft carrier, not the Bush administration.
""We took care of the production of it. We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up."[8] According to John Dickerson of Time magazine, the White House later conceded that they actually hung the banner but still insists it had been done at the request of the crew members.[9]"
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Do a little research.
Walter, it says right there that the White House conceded they hung the banner. They had to know how that would be interpreted.
The early days in Iraq and Afghanistan were full of false statements about how the wars were going.
Here is a line from a speech Bush gave at Ft Carlson in Nov. 2003
"Terrorists need places to hide, to plot, and to train, so we're holding their allies, the allies of terror to account. (Applause.) Working with a fine coalition, our military went to Afghanistan, destroyed the training camps of al Qaeda, and put the Taliban out of business forever. (Applause.)
[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:00:15am |
re: #371 Walter L. Newton
Walter
You know as well as I do that Laura and the girls stayed up all night hand painting that "Mission Accomplished" sign for George to take with him!!
Ggeeezzz!!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:00:29am |
re: #359 cliffster
early american leaders on FB:
While Franklin was serving as an agent for the colony of Pennsylvania he was hauled into court and humiliated over the Hutchinson letters.
He saved the suit he wore.
He wore it when they signed the Treaty of Paris.
Booyah!
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:00:34am |
re: #380 Killgore Trout
true enough.there is also the specter of shite backlash against the sunni's if things get bad enough...of even if they don't
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:01:06am |
re: #384 Gus 802
Well. Whoever the White House aide that mentioned anything about "mission accomplished" should have kept his big mouth shut. I'm also not crazy about Boehner doing a prebuttal speech to Obama's speech. Oh well, I guess the squabble between the Reps and the Dems will go on.
The lie was still being repeated 5 years later, like by Democrat Congressman Jim Webb...
"This is the fifth anniversary of the day that President Bush arrived on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit and declared 'mission accomplished.' And in an ironic way, I think it can be said, when you look at the historic way that we use our military, that the Iraq war was over five years ago, in classical terms. And what began was a very contentious occupation that placed our military in what classically we would call a holding position, totally dependent on the ability of the political process to reach the type of solution that would allow this occupation to end.[15]"
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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elbruce Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:01:27am |
re: #373 RogueOne
I think you mean "winning" so we can leave is quite an accomplishment. Not sure what role you think the Obama administration played in all of that...
If there were a Republican in charge, we still wouldn't have set a timetable for withdrawal. They hate timetables, remember? We'd be there for another decade at least. Simply deciding to go is something that a Republican can't do. McCain was talking about staying in for 100 years during the campaign.
And "the surge" wasn't a GOP idea to begin with, it was just belatedly accepting the troop level estimates given by a number of generals in 2003, just before those generals' resignations all somehow landed on Rumsfeld's desk. Firing somebody for their idea, waiting a couple years and then pretending it was your idea isn't exactly brilliant military strategy.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:01:42am |
re: #387 blueraven
Walter, it says right there that the White House conceded they hung the banner. They had to know how that would be interpreted.
The early days in Iraq and Afghanistan were full of false statements about how the wars were going.
Here is a line from a speech Bush gave at Ft Carlson in Nov. 2003
[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]
When did Bush say "mission accomplished?"
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Gus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:01:58am |
re: #386 RogueOne
That's what I'm saying, Obama opened the door to all of this. Someone didn't think this plan all the way through.
Hard to pinpoint. You know that aides will fire off their opinion outside of official policy. Much like when you get a Pentagon aid stating his or her opinion even though it isn't official DOD policy. Otherwise, I guess we're going to see a lot of finger pointing regardless -- as in "who started this?"
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:02:30am |
[Link: www.politico.com...]
PRESIDENT TO PRESIDENT: President Obama called former President Bush during the flight to Texas, White House deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes told reporters.The call was private and lasted a few minutes, and the White House is not releasing a readout, Rhodes said.
I wonder what he said?
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:02:42am |
re: #376 Walter L. Newton
It was referring to the fact that the aircraft carrier was on it's way home, was recalled before it got home to another mission, and then, on it's second trip heading home, they found out about the President coming on board, and the CREW requested the sign, in regards to THEIR two mission...
"We took care of the production of it. We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up."[8] According to John Dickerson of Time magazine, the White House later conceded that they actually hung the banner but still insists it had been done at the request of the crew members.[9]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Navy and administration sources said that though the banner was the Navy's idea, the White House actually made it.
Bush declares end of major combat operations.
Bush: Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:03:13am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:03:43am |
re: #395 RogueOne
[Link: www.politico.com...]
I wonder what he said?
"How the hell did you and others EVER want to do this job for LONGER than the 1st term!!!"
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:04:01am |
I have to go to work. The "Mission Accomplished" banner was for the ship Bush gave the speech from. Pull heads out of asses. Fucking ridiculous argument and lefty talking point.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:04:25am |
re: #382 Jeff In Ohio
Well, there is that. I just like it when adults admit they're wrong.
No, no, no, didn't you get the memo? Obama only admits that former American administrations have been dreadfully wrong in their conduct of foreign affairs...but NEVER that he himself is wrong.
*politics as usual excuse meme*
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elbruce Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:04:37am |
re: #391 Walter L. Newton
The lie was still being repeated 5 years later, like by Democrat Congressman Jim Webb...
"This is the fifth anniversary of the day that President Bush arrived on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit and declared 'mission accomplished.'
Don't try to convince me that Bush (or at least Rove) didn't have complete control over his own image. That banner's message was clear. Trying to divorce him from it now is silly. It was also accurate, as it referred to the "major combat operations" mission (or phase of the mission, I dunno). What the problem with that was was the triumphal tone of it, indicating that the worst had passed and there was just a little mop-up left to do.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:04:46am |
re: #396 tnguitarist
Here is what he said about the mission... from you link...
"Our mission continues. Al-Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations, and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland — and we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike."
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Coracle Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:04:52am |
re: #381 Walter L. Newton
It's a quote, and you know it. Are you telling me that the common understanding of that day was that Bush didn't say "mission accomplished?"
I'm telling you exactly that. The common understanding of that day is that Bush meant "mission accomplished" because he gave a speech in front of a banner with that declaration. Even if the banner and his speech were completely unrelated, the proximity has irrevocably tied those words to his speech in public memory, right or wrong, even if he never said them.
And the CNN article uses the term "won't utter the words." The writer of the article is referencing about SOMEONE TALKING...
Or in this case not talking. As in the President will not be saying those words. It's pretty easy to understand.
Reading is comprehension.
Indeed.
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:05:13am |
re: #386 RogueOne
That's what I'm saying, Obama opened the door to all of this. Someone didn't think this plan all the way through.
How did he open the door? What about respecting our troops and President during a time of war?
The fact that they are doing a rebuttal speech proves that they want to politicize everything.
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blueraven Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:05:44am |
re: #393 Walter L. Newton
When did Bush say "mission accomplished?"
When the white house hangs a banner with huge MISSION ACCOMPLISHED letters written on it...I would call that a statement. Parse it any way you want.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:05:50am |
re: #393 Walter L. Newton
When did Bush say "mission accomplished?"
under a banner proclaiming "mission accomplished" he says -
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
and later -
Bush reiterated a "Mission Accomplished" message to the troops at Camp As Sayliyah on June 5, 2003 — about a month after the aircraft carrier incident: "America sent you on a mission to remove a grave threat and to liberate an oppressed people, and that mission has been accomplished."
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cliffster Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:06:16am |
re: #392 elbruce
If there were a Republican in charge, we still wouldn't have set a timetable for withdrawal. They hate timetables, remember? We'd be there for another decade at least. Simply deciding to go is something that a Republican can't do. McCain was talking about staying in for 100 years during the campaign.
we probably will be there for 100 years. and longer.
Not like we've left Germany yet
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:06:48am |
re: #409 cliffster
we probably will be there for 100 years. and longer.
Not like we've left Germany yet
Or Japan.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:07:31am |
re: #406 tnguitarist
How did he open the door? What about respecting our troops and President during a time of war?
The fact that they are doing a rebuttal speech proves that they want to politicize everything.
Like I said before, if he were smart he would have done a small congrat speech at a military installation (like Ft. Bliss since he's already there). Putting yourself in the limelight ala a prime-time speech when you were on the wrong side of the debate is asking to get heckled by the opposition.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:08:00am |
re: #403 elbruce
Don't try to convince me that Bush (or at least Rove) didn't have complete control over his own image. That banner's message was clear. Trying to divorce him from it now is silly. It was also accurate, as it referred to the "major combat operations" mission (or phase of the mission, I dunno). What the problem with that was was the triumphal tone of it, indicating that the worst had passed and there was just a little mop-up left to do.
When did Bush say "mission accomplished?"
"Our mission continues. Al-Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations, and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland — and we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike."
And I think Bush's own words in that speech denies that the mission is accomplished. This is something the left turned into a lie, right from the git-go... and then parroted by people over and over... including democrat politicians...
At a May 1, 2008 press conference in Washington, D.C., Democratic Senator Jim Webb stated:
“This is the fifth anniversary of the day that President Bush arrived on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit and declared 'mission accomplished.' And in an ironic way, I think it can be said, when you look at the historic way that we use our military, that the Iraq war was over five years ago, in classical terms. And what began was a very contentious occupation that placed our military in what classically we would call a holding position, totally dependent on the ability of the political process to reach the type of solution that would allow this occupation to end.[15]
Notice IN QUOTES... "mission accomplished. Show me where he said that?
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:08:06am |
re: #379 tnguitarist
Guitar question if you know: I'm changing out the pick ups (EMG actives) in a P-Bass I picked up recently with some Nordlands and the foam underneath that provides for height adjustment was shaved down to accommodate the EMG's. I need to replace the foam to get the proper height - can I use something like high density packing foam instead of ordering 'foam' from All Parts? Seems silly to order it.
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:08:19am |
re: #404 Walter L. Newton
In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country
That was semantics.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:08:58am |
re: #409 cliffster
I am looking forward, then, to the day that a soldier going to serve in Baghdad can take his/her family, and everyone will think it's great their children can see other countries.
Like Japan and Germany. (Full disclosure: My sister-in-law was born on Okinawa for this reason.)
Because I'm sure the people of Baghdad would love to have a country like those countries.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:09:38am |
This is almost as pointless as the "are suicide bombers worse than the ones who walk away" argument a few nights ago.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:09:45am |
re: #412 Walter L. Newton
When did Bush say "mission accomplished?"
At Camp As Sayliyah on June 5, 2003 — about a month after the aircraft carrier incident:
"America sent you on a mission to remove a grave threat and to liberate an oppressed people, and that mission has been accomplished."
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:10:37am |
re: #414 tnguitarist
That was semantics.
He never said it, and all the make believe rhetoric from you is not going to put the words into his mouth.
I've made my point. And so did Bush.
"Our mission continues. Al-Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations, and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland — and we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike."
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:10:54am |
re: #413 Jeff In Ohio
Guitar question if you know: I'm changing out the pick ups (EMG actives) in a P-Bass I picked up recently with some Nordlands and the foam underneath that provides for height adjustment was shaved down to accommodate the EMG's. I need to replace the foam to get the proper height - can I use something like high density packing foam instead of ordering 'foam' from All Parts? Seems silly to order it.
If it's under the pickups, it won't affect the magnetic field at all. As a matter of fact, it may kill any unwanted rattle that you have. It's not like pups put off any heat that you have to worry about.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:10:58am |
I hate today. Now I get to go to work. See ya'll tonight.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:11:29am |
re: #413 Jeff In Ohio
you should be able to use it.(as long as it's not so dense as to allow undue vibration.)you wouldn't beleive the things iv'e found in or on guitars.toothpicks,matchbookcovers etc.
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palomino Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:11:47am |
re: #393 Walter L. Newton
When did Bush say "mission accomplished?"
Bush in 2003: "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
Translation: We win! Game over! Mission accomplished!
You're hopelessly propping up a lost cause. Iraq will never be seen as a winner; maybe not as bad as Vietnam, but not much better.
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cliffster Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:12:05am |
re: #415 EmmmieG
I am looking forward, then, to the day that a soldier going to serve in Baghdad can take his/her family, and everyone will think it's great their children can see other countries.
Like Japan and Germany. (Full disclosure: My sister-in-law was born on Okinawa for this reason.)
Because I'm sure the people of Baghdad would love to have a country like those countries.
That would be awesome. Makes it harder to pull off when you have the opposing party trying to undermine your every move. "HE SAID MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, HOW DARE HE??? WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE???"
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elbruce Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:12:20am |
re: #404 Walter L. Newton
Here is what he said about the mission... from you link...
Look, if he flies in on a jet to thunderous music, then stands in front of a huge "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner while giving his speech, it doesn't matter what the words of the speech are, the message is crystal clear. Millions of Americans will get it clearly without even realizing what's being done to them. For you now to pretend that that kind of communication doesn't have real consequences or wasn't intended is disengenuous.
It'd be like Nancy Pelosi waving a communist flag, wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt, and standing in front of a "WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE" banner while calmly discussing how her tax proposal actually amounts to a tax cut overall. I can quote their words all I want, but you're still going to be pointing and yelling "LOOK AT WHAT'S BEING SAID!" And rightly so.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:12:42am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:13:18am |
re: #424 cliffster
That would be awesome. Makes it harder to pull off when you have the opposing party trying to undermine your every move. "HE SAID MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, HOW DARE HE??? WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE???"
It won't be accomplished in his office, or possibly his lifetime. I think a whole new generation has to grow up in Baghdad that wants peace.
I would like to think that's happening, but I'm a cynic.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:13:32am |
re: #414 tnguitarist
That was the plain truth. The Iraq gov't was destroyed and gone. Just because we chose to rebuild as an additional mission does not change that.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:14:14am |
re: #425 elbruce
Look, if he flies in on a jet to thunderous music, then stands in front of a huge "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner while giving his speech,...
[snip]
And then says...
re: #418 Walter L. Newton
He never said it, and all the make believe rhetoric from you is not going to put the words into his mouth.
I've made my point. And so did Bush.
"Our mission continues. Al-Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations, and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland — and we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike."
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:14:35am |
re: #428 Rightwingconspirator
That was the plain truth. The Iraq gov't was destroyed and gone. Just because we chose to rebuild as an additional mission does not change that.
Thank you.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:14:43am |
re: #430 Walter L. Newton
Why do you keep talking about Al Queda in reference to Iraq? I'm confused.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:14:45am |
re: #426 Jeff In Ohio
tell everyone you have "custom fitted pups...lol
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:15:16am |
re: #428 Rightwingconspirator
Plastic shredders in Iraq now shred plastic.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:15:44am |
re: #425 elbruce
Look, if he flies in on a jet to thunderous music, then stands in front of a huge "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner while giving his speech
[snip]
(I'll try the formatting again)
And then he said...
"Our mission continues. Al-Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations, and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland — and we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike."
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:17:02am |
re: #402 Spare O'Lake
No, no, no, didn't you get the memo? Obama only admits that former American administrations have been dreadfully wrong in their conduct of foreign affairs...but NEVER that he himself is wrong.
*politics as usual excuse meme*
Sets him apart, doesn't it?
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:17:09am |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:17:32am |
re: #432 Obdicut
Why do you keep talking about Al Queda in reference to Iraq? I'm confused.
Er... I'm not... read carefully, those are quotes. That that up with the person that made the comments?
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:18:43am |
re: #438 Walter L. Newton
Er... I'm not... read carefully, those are quotes. That that up with the person that made the comments?
I'm sorry, you are asserting that Bush thought that Al Queda was in control of Iraq? That that's who we were fighting in Iraq?
I may not have the highest opinion of Bush, but I don't think that was true.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:18:58am |
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Amid talk of a Republican resurgence, and complaints from Democrats that conservative rhetoric verges on violence, some scattered vandalism this week has made the GOP its victim.Here's some graffiti at a party office in Huntington, West Virginia, here's a smashed window in Milwaukee, and Maryland GOP officials called police to report a gunshot fired into a field office in Salisbury.
A trend? Who knows. But certainly not a moment of harmony in American politics.
UPDATE: One more: A cut power line in Indiana.
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abolitionist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:19:01am |
AP source: Unlikely that 2 men plotting terror
The U.S. does not expect to charge the men, a law enforcement official said. The two men arrested in Amsterdam — both traveling to Yemen — did not know each other and were not traveling together, a U.S. government official said.
If there were a plot, everyone doing probes would be in on it right? /
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:19:47am |
re: #432 Obdicut
Why do you keep talking about Al Queda in reference to Iraq? I'm confused.
This might help:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:20:00am |
re: #428 Rightwingconspirator
That was the plain truth. The Iraq gov't was destroyed and gone. Just because we chose to rebuild as an additional mission does not change that.
It was being sugar-coated for the consumption of the American people. When you start throwing around words like "rebuilding", you are purposely diverting eyes away from combat.
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:21:03am |
re: #438 Walter L. Newton
Er... I'm not... read carefully, those are quotes. That that up with the person that made the comments?
If you'll look at it again, they didn't even finish the quotes (one is missing). Wouldn't you feel silly if it was just a type-o?
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:22:27am |
photos and video are powerful things,we remember them long after the words have faded.At the time,those images gave gwb a boost in popularity.
As the insurgence heated up those images would be used against him.
Hindsight being 20/20 if they had to do it again,they probably would not have had the banner there.
Walter you are arguing perception vs.reality in that fight perception usually wins.not saying it's right but it usually wins.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:22:37am |
re: #442 RogueOne
Heh. So you think that Bush thought that we had been fighting Al Queda in Iraq, too?
Man, you guys have a really poor opinion of Bush.
By the way, that Wiki article says that Al Qaeda in Iraq was founded in 2003 and declared allegiance to Al Qaeda in 2004. Bush gave the speech on the carrier in 2003.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:23:08am |
re: #439 Obdicut
I'm sorry, you are asserting that Bush thought that Al Queda was in control of Iraq? That that's who we were fighting in Iraq?
I may not have the highest opinion of Bush, but I don't think that was true.
First... where did Bush use the term "control of Iraq"? And in regards to your other question, I suspect that Bush was mentioned Al Queda in Iraq because...
"Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) is a popular name for the Iraqi division of the international Salafi jihadi militant organization al-Qaeda. It is recoqnized as a part of the greater Iraqi insurgency."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:23:46am |
re: #442 RogueOne
This might help:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Hmmmm.
In turn, this might help -
The Iraq Connection
Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:24:22am |
re: #447 Walter L. Newton
Please see my above post, Walter.
If you want to accuse Bush of thinking that we were fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq, be my guest, but even most moonbats realize that's a stupid accusation to make these days.
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:24:27am |
re: #447 Walter L. Newton
From your article:
The group was founded in 2003 and first led by the Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who declared allegiance to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network in October 2004.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:24:37am |
re: #443 tnguitarist
The combat against the Iraqi military was over. Arguably we should have left the day Saddam was killed. That job was done. Rebuilding was what was chosen to do next.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:25:02am |
re: #444 tnguitarist
If you'll look at it again, they didn't even finish the quotes (one is missing). Wouldn't you feel silly if it was just a type-o?
You can find the word "mission accomplished" in quotes, in reference to coming from the mouth of Bush, many time over... considering the odds, I'd say the mistake is in my favor... do the math...
Example...
At a May 1, 2008 press conference in Washington, D.C., Democratic Senator Jim Webb stated:
“This is the fifth anniversary of the day that President Bush arrived on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit and declared 'mission accomplished.' And in an ironic way, I think it can be said, when you look at the historic way that we use our military, that the Iraq war was over five years ago, in classical terms. And what began was a very contentious occupation that placed our military in what classically we would call a holding position, totally dependent on the ability of the political process to reach the type of solution that would allow this occupation to end.[15]
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:25:24am |
re: #451 Rightwingconspirator
The combat against the Iraqi military was over. Arguably we should have left the day Saddam was killed. That job was done. Rebuilding was what was chosen to do next.
Rebuilding looks suspiciously like combat to me.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:25:59am |
re: #453 tnguitarist
Rebuilding looks suspiciously like combat to me.
Still does... we have 50,000 troops still there.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:26:42am |
re: #453 tnguitarist
I guess Fallujah was just really, really aggressive redecoration.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:27:51am |
re: #362 elbruce
Weird, I tried to sign up for Glenn Beck's new site "The Blaze" and I'm not getting the confirmation email. Or the "lost my password" email. It's just not showing up...
Did you check your spam trap? I've seen confirmation emails end up there. Or possibly your email is smart enough to simply trash anything Glenn Beck sends to it by default...
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:28:23am |
re: #441 abolitionist
AP source: Unlikely that 2 men plotting terror
If there were a plot, everyone doing probes would be in on it right? /
...a cell phone taped to a Pepto-Bismol bottle, multiple cell phones and watches taped together, and a knife and box cutter, according to another U.S. official who had been briefed on the investigation.
No evidence of terror here.
I guess he just needed to deal with the fact that he got an upset stomach every time he spoke to his wife; and he wanted to be able to make sure of the time of day; and so on and so forth...
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:28:27am |
re: #449 Obdicut
Please see my above post, Walter.
If you want to accuse Bush of thinking that we were fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq, be my guest, but even most moonbats realize that's a stupid accusation to make these days.
I never claimed Bush was some sort of military intellect, and I didn't like the man, didn't vote for him, but he said what he said, the intent is evident, and he NEVER USED THOSE WORDS that keep getting attributed to him... and that's a fact.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:29:50am |
re: #441 abolitionist
AP source: Unlikely that 2 men plotting terror
If there were a plot, everyone doing probes would be in on it right? /
Interesting...
Kip Hawley, the former Transportation Security administrator, said it is not unusual to find items like watches and cell phones bound together on flights to countries like Yemen.
Huh.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:30:45am |
re: #458 Walter L. Newton
Wow. Okay. According to you, he never said "Mission accomplished", but he though Al Qaeda was the enemy in Iraq.
I'm not sure you've thought this cunning plan all the way through.
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:30:46am |
re: #452 Walter L. Newton
If you want to parse words, I can.
This is the fifth anniversary of the day that President Bush arrived on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit and declared 'mission accomplished
He didn't say he explicitly said it, but that doesn't matter. As has been pointed out to you numerous times upthread, Bush said those very words not long after.
at Camp As Sayliyah on June 5, 2003 — about a month after the aircraft carrier incident: "America sent you on a mission to remove a grave threat and to liberate an oppressed people, and that mission has been accomplished."
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:31:21am |
I was just on the MSN homepage. This poor woman has to prove she isn't dead to a ChexSystems (a Check Verification Service and Credit Reporting Agency) that turned things into a nightmare.
[Link: redtape.msnbc.com...]
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:31:21am |
re: #458 Walter L. Newton
I never claimed Bush was some sort of military intellect, and I didn't like the man, didn't vote for him, but he said what he said, the intent is evident, and he NEVER USED THOSE WORDS that keep getting attributed to him... and that's a fact.
re: #417 wozzablog
At Camp As Sayliyah on June 5, 2003 —:
that mission has been accomplished.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:35:16am |
re: #459 Killgore Trout
Interesting...
Huh.
C'Mon Kilgore
Every Airport candy/ magazine stand I've ever gone into ALWAYS has the convenient cell phone/ taped to a bottle of acid reflux medication right on the front counters!
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:35:51am |
re: #446 Obdicut
Heh. So you think that Bush thought that we had been fighting Al Queda in Iraq, too?
Man, you guys have a really poor opinion of Bush.
By the way, that Wiki article says that Al Qaeda in Iraq was founded in 2003 and declared allegiance to Al Qaeda in 2004. Bush gave the speech on the carrier in 2003.
You're still really confused aren't you? You asked about Al-queda in iraq and I gave you a link to help you figure it out and make the correct connections. The bush speech referenced by walter doesn't say we were fighting al-queda in Iraq, at least not at that point, it was part of a larger speech with a broader message. Why do you insist on trying to distort something so obvious? Maybe this will put it into better context for you:
The Battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001, and still goes on.
......
The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We have removed an ally of al-Qaida, and cut off a source of terrorist funding. And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more.
.......
The United States upholds these principles of security and freedom in many ways — with all the tools of diplomacy, law enforcement, intelligence, and finance. We are working with a broad coalition of nations that understand the threat, and our shared responsibility to meet it. The use of force has been, and remains, our last resort. Yet all can know, friend and foe alike, that our nation has a mission: We will answer threats to our security, and we will defend the peace.Our mission continues. Al-Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations, and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland — and we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike.
The war on terror is not over, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide. No act of the terrorists will change our purpose, or weaken our resolve, or alter their fate. Their cause is lost. Free nations will press on to victory.
I know some people never got over their BDS issues, didn't imagine you would be one of them.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:36:35am |
re: #465 RogueOne
You're still really confused aren't you? You asked about Al-queda in iraq and I gave you a link to help you figure it out and make the correct connections. The bush speech referenced by walter doesn't say we were fighting al-queda in Iraq, at least not at that point, it was part of a larger speech with a broader message.
That was my point, Rogue.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:36:40am |
re: #459 Killgore Trout
Interesting...
Huh.
Yeah, sure, and the pepto-bismol was just to keep the phones from rolling aroound too much. And obviously he just needed the knife and the box-cutter to cut the tape off the phones and the tummy meds when he got to the hotel.
WTF
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:37:15am |
re: #453 tnguitarist
Rebuilding looks suspiciously like combat to me.
Well sure given the insurgency.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:38:27am |
I have more work to do, be back later. In the last week we've re-argued the Iraq war and Katrina. When I get back maybe we can rehash the 2000 Florida recount to really get the BDS going again.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:39:44am |
re: #470 RogueOne
Maybe then you can totally misunderstand me clearly stating repeatedly that I don't think Bush thought Al Queda was the enemy in Iraq again, and accusing me of 'BDS' due to your misreading.
That'll be cool.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:40:15am |
re: #453 tnguitarist
Rebuilding looks suspiciously like combat to me.
Ya think? But remember, with Obama it's not called lying...it's just politics as usual.
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:41:10am |
re: #472 Spare O'Lake
Ya think? But remember, with Obama it's not called lying...it's just politics as usual.
You skipped over a few years, there.
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blueraven Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:42:09am |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:42:23am |
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:43:04am |
re: #475 Spare O'Lake
Fast forward is your friend...use it.
So is selective memory....you're already using it.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:43:26am |
re: #474 blueraven
This has been repeated several time on this thread. Walter just refuses to acknowledge it.
Sorry, i just have to keep repeating my BDS.............. it's like tourettes........
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elbruce Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:45:30am |
re: #461 tnguitarist
He didn't say he explicitly said it, but that doesn't matter. As has been pointed out to you numerous times upthread, Bush said those very words not long after.
"...and that mission has been accomplished."
There's a "has been" between "mission" and "accomplished." Look for Walter to jump all over that.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:45:47am |
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:47:27am |
re: #479 Spare O'Lake
Selective memory of what?
Bush is the one who said we are "rebuilding". Yet you somehow twist it around to Blame it on Obama.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:47:29am |
re: #478 elbruce
There's a "has been" between "mission" and "accomplished." Look for Walter to jump all over that.
Or ignore it entirely.
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:48:58am |
re: #481 wozzablog
There's a "has been" between "mission" and "accomplished." Look for Walter to jump all over that.
Or ignore it entirely.
He already has been ignoring it.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:49:01am |
re: #433 Boondock St. Bender
I bought this bass a couple weekends ago to replace my American Standard rosewood. I wanted something with a maple fretboard and ash body to give a l slight more edge to the tone. I make my bass player use my bass and play with med. flatwounds - going for that Duck Dunn, mid 60's kind of sound, round, almost stand up like, but not disappearing in a dense mix.
Anyway, there was an ad in Craiglist for a 78 at a remarkable price. I went out to this old guys place in Union, Ky. 1793 log cabin in what use to be the middle of nowhere. Out of the backdoor comes this old guy, with suspenders with the classic one suspender hanging down and a hound at his heals. Nice as can be and I can't understand half of what he's saying even though he's talking as slow as it was hot.
It was his back up to his '72, but he just doesn't play that much anymore. The natural finish bass has been through what looks like a million country bars and fallen down in a million more. All deep yellow tobacco stained and dinged up,e xcept the fret board which looks like he wiped it down after every gig. It really talked to me the way an instrument does when it's got a lot of stories to tell. He wanted me to dicker with him, which I'm always glad to oblige, but at $700, I felt I was getting away with something already.
Anyway, got the foam in, the pups are passing a signal and now I'm going to string it up with some La Bellas.
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:51:36am |
re: #483 Jeff In Ohio
You don't have to talk up a Fender to me. I'm a Strat man!
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:51:44am |
re: #480 tnguitarist
Bush is the one who said we are "rebuilding". Yet you somehow twist it around to Blame it on Obama.
1. "Selective memory of what" was a joke, dude.
2. Using the foibles of others to nail Obama is my job...don't knock it until you've tried it.
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blueraven Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:52:05am |
re: #481 wozzablog
There's a "has been" between "mission" and "accomplished." Look for Walter to jump all over that.
Or ignore it entirely.
I dont blame him. It would harsh his mellow.//
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:55:42am |
re: #484 tnguitarist
You don't have to talk up a Fender to me. I'm a Strat man!
Randy Bachman said he uses a Strat, a Les Paul and a Gretch, depending on the particular sounds he wants to crank out.
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:58:29am |
re: #487 Spare O'Lake
Randy Bachman said he uses a Strat, a Les Paul and a Gretch, depending on the particular sounds he wants to crank out.
Same here. I have 6 different guitars, depending on the sound I need. I play the Strat almost exclusively live, though. My Paul used to be my main, but it has taken its toll on my left shoulder and neck/back over the years. A serious toll. I have nerve damage in my left shoulder.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Aug 31, 2010 11:48:07am |
re: #483 Jeff In Ohio
Didn't much understand what you were saying but man, that was beautiful!
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elbruce Tue, Aug 31, 2010 11:57:28am |
re: #489 Taqyia2Me
Didn't much understand what you were saying but man, that was beautiful!
That post reminds me of this quote:
[Link: www.jahozafat.com...]
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:48:59pm |
re: #309 Walter L. Newton
Do you say "unindicted." I thought you did.
Fascinating that you would go to bat for CAIR on the Holy Land Hamas funding thing, Walter. Surely that is not now considered by anyone to have been a bum rap. The DOJ confirmed the scam to Congress earlier this year.
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