Yeah!!!

Ya think they're crazy suffragettes? I always think of Mary Poppins when I think of suffragettes.

Le Voyage dans la lune was right, and this is photographic evidence! Take that, science!

luna chicks

re: #1 marjoriemoon

This is like a hat tip for you, right?

They are sweet. That moon would be worth a fortune if it were still around.

Looks like a Daguerreotype photo. Way early chemistry.

The one on the right looks like my SIL.

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

The one on the right looks like my SIL.

you didn't come off as that old....

Charles where did you get this old photograph? Looks to be 1860 or so.

That man in the moon looks like he's up to something.

I'll keep wishing...

re: #5 jaunte

This is like a hat tip for you, right?

Well it should be, shouldn't it!

My mom has a picture of my grandmother when she was around 20 years old. She was a real hottie. These girls don't even come close.

When I click to "embiggen" the photo actually shrinks.

re: #10 Rightwingconspirator

Charles where did you get this old photograph? Looks to be 1860 or so.

This was in a batch of old family photos. Apparently, I'm related to one of the women in the image somehow.

re: #15 tacuba14

When I click to "embiggen" the photo actually shrinks.

try vitamins...

re: #17 brookly red

try vitamins...

SMACK!

When I saw this page's title, I was hoping for something else...

re: #15 tacuba14

When I click to "embiggen" the photo actually shrinks.

They have pills for that now.

re: #2 marjoriemoon

Ya think they're crazy suffragettes? I always think of Mary Poppins when I think of suffragettes.

This here :)

"Though we adore men individually, we agree that as a group, they're rather stupid."

Oh you go girl LOL

re: #16 Charles

This was in a batch of old family photos. Apparently, I'm related to one of the women in the image somehow.

Probably the one in the center.

re: #16 Charles

This was in a batch of old family photos. Apparently, I'm related to one of the women in the image somehow.

How cool is that!

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

oh! who died and left you hall monitor?

re: #19 Fozzie Bear

When I saw this page's title, I was hoping for something else...

Oh, well here then:

re: #19 Fozzie Bear

When I saw this page's title, I was hoping for something else...

I was expecting something SI-FI myself.

since when did rodney dangerfield become the man in the moon?

re: #24 brookly red

oh! who died and left you hall monitor?

I'm just foolin'.

re: #27 engineer dog

since when did rodney dangerfield become the man in the moon?

When Jackie Gleason died :(

I love that picture.

re: #16 Charles

Photos that old are treasures. Irreplaceable. And they have a certain power to this day. Surely you have seen the 9/11 Daguerreotype?

alrighty. going to bed. have a good week, all.

I find nothing nostalgic about looking at pictures of relatives from the olden days. Quite frankly I find it extremely depressing. The real question, did the smile not exist before 1910, or was everyone just patently unhappy with life?

It's Only A Paper Moon

maybe youre the heir to the miller high life fortune too

re: #33 tacuba14

There's an interesting piece about that here:

WHEN did a smile become the proper face to present to a camera?
............

Certainly after around 1920 the adoption of a widening smile became the proper response across middle-class US and Europe when cheap roll-film cameras came into use in ordinary families. Trumble writes that movies and Box Brownies brought "about a fundamental change in the way people saw the human face, and how they expected it to look back at them". There was a demand that people put their faces "in play", as Paul Ekman, the scientist who devised the facial action coding system (3) describes it; to be exaggeratedly present for the lens. There began to be a social requirement to simulate the approved expression: the words we are told to mime to suggest a smile to the lens - cheese, le petit oiseau va sortir - date from the early 1920s.
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

re: #33 tacuba14

I find nothing nostalgic about looking at pictures of relatives from the olden days. Quite frankly I find it extremely depressing. The real question, did the smile not exist before 1910, or was everyone just patently unhappy with life?

you know I wonder about that... I think people were just uneasy about having some newfangled thing pointed at them.

/now in a hundred years when our TSA scans are antiques do you think we will see many smiles?

There is a sweetness in this photo.. A looking forward with innocent eyes into the future and in the present...
A hundred years from now...What will people look back on?
A 20 GB picture with no soul?

re: #36 jaunte

Well I just pulled the 1910 figure outta my ass, wasn't too far off. Interesting your post nonetheless.

re: #10 Rightwingconspirator

Charles where did you get this old photograph? Looks to be 1860 or so.

Except for the 937 clues that suggest it's from the 1910s.

They look like suffragettes. Which isn't a bad thing--it took guts for those women to tell their husbands and fathers and brothers and strangers that they deserved equal treatment with men.

What does that David Bowie song "Suffragette City" have to do with women getting the vote?

They are forward facing women.
It's a good background to have, Charles.
We have boxes & boxes of daguerrotypes of presumed relatives, with no information on them. Haven't yet decided what to do with them.

dancing on the moon

1935 cartoon by fleischer studios

re: #43 engineer dog

dancing on the moon

1935 cartoon by fleischer studios

[Video]

Cool, thanks.

re: #38 HoosierHoops

There is a sweetness in this photo.. A looking forward with innocent eyes into the future and in the present...
A hundred years from now...What will people look back on?
A 20 GB picture with no soul?

/a hundred years from now we will still be looking for who killed Kennedy, Obamas birth certificate, and Col. Sanders original recipe...

re: #40 negativ

Woah, easy... Most people can't identify 937 things from the 1910's. To be honest I probably come up with on thing exclusive or new to the 1910's.

re: #46 tacuba14

Woah, easy... Most people can't identify 937 things from the 1910's. To be honest I probably COULDN'T come up with on thing exclusive or new to the 1910's.

re: #46 tacuba14

Woah, easy... Most people can't identify 937 things from the 1910's. To be honest I probably come up with on thing exclusive or new to the 1910's.

well there were button hooks...

re: #38 HoosierHoops

Are you still keeping the prayer list updated?

re: #49 NJDhockeyfan

Are you still keeping the prayer list updated?

uh-oh

re: #46 tacuba14

Woah, easy... Most people can't identify 937 things from the 1910's. To be honest I probably come up with on thing exclusive or new to the 1910's.

On first glance, only the clothing and quality of the photo seem like giveaways to the 1910's, which I assumed since they remind me of suffragettes.

What am I missing?

THe 1910's. My grandmother would have been 98 on Saturday I believe. Remember seeing this one photo of her and her older sister taken I guess in the late 20's or early 30's and they look like flappers practically. It was funny because I always knew my grandmother as my sweet old nana who babysat me as a little boy. I've been watching that new show on HBO, Boardwalk Empire lately and it's so hard not to think about my dad's folks who were little kids in the early 20's and their parents.

re: #10 Rightwingconspirator

Charles where did you get this old photograph? Looks to be 1860 or so.

Eh? Those hats are 1890 - 1900 range and the art style on the "moon" fits with that. 90% probably a contact print, possibly whole plate sized glass plate neg, possibly Kodak 122. Depends on how much he cropped the scan.

Charles, what are the dimensions of the print?

re: #49 NJDhockeyfan

Are you still keeping the prayer list updated?

It needs pruning and updates....I spent 6 weeks without a day off...So I have work to do this weekend

re: #54 HoosierHoops

It needs pruning and updates...I spent 6 weeks without a day off...So I have work to do this weekend

I got one for ya if you don't mind.

re: #40 negativ

Except for the 937 clues that suggest it's from the 1910s.

Okay do tell. Fashion expert?

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

I got one for ya if you don't mind.

After almost 2 years doing the prayer list..It would be my pleasure

re: #54 HoosierHoops

It needs pruning and updates...I spent 6 weeks without a day off...So I have work to do this weekend

Ouch, that's rough.

Earlier today I was talking about finding out a whole bunch of info about my Dad's American ancestors. Well he forgot that two of his great uncles up here were actually kinda of historical. One was an influential MP and political guy that worked closely and advised 3 or 4 PMs from MacKenzie King up until Jean Cretien.
[Link: www.encyclopediecanadienne.ca...]

The other, Frank Pickersgill was a spy in the WWII who was captured by the Germans and executed at Buchenwald. He's now considered a war hero. There's a couple of books about him that I'm going to hunt down. One of them just came out with all sort of info that has recently been unclassified. I found a fascinating article about some of what happened to him. [Link: findarticles.com...]

How my Dad happened to 'forget' this I'll never know. :)

re: #54 HoosierHoops

It needs pruning and updates...I spent 6 weeks without a day off...So I have work to do this weekend

No, you have 6 weeks of relaxing to catch up on.
I forsee a day in the "man cave" for you.

Wonderful photo. Many times a photographers mark on the photo can reveal interesting information.

Ah, damnit... Kid shot himself when police barged in during the Marionette situation. Condition unknown at this time.

Wisconsin Gunman Shoots Himself After Standoff

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

re: #53 wlewisiii

Okay I was going by the look of the print. Not the clothes.
I wuz wrong. Lol. Just guessing.

re: #57 HoosierHoops

After almost 2 years doing the prayer list..It would be my pleasure

No, you are OUR pleasure.
And we are grateful.

re: #57 HoosierHoops

After almost 2 years doing the prayer list..It would be my pleasure

My friend's son who just joined the IDF and has been training just found out what he will be doing. He just got sent to tank training. How cool is that? Prayers for his safety is much appreciated.

re: #51 palomino

On first glance, only the clothing and quality of the photo seem like giveaways to the 1910's, which I assumed since they remind me of suffragettes.

What am I missing?

What you're missing is ALMOST EVERYTHING.

Before we get into how people posed for photos and/or what clothing they wore and why, I insist that you use the Googles and find out about the chemistry of photography in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

re: #63 Rightwingconspirator

Okay I was going by the look of the print. Not the clothes.
I wuz wrong. Lol. Just guessing.

'S'ok. I shoot 4x5 LF with a preference for old glass. I like pics like that one a whole lot

re: #65 NJDhockeyfan

My friend's son who just joined the IDF and has been training just found out what he will be doing. He just got sent to tank training. How cool is that? Prayers for his safety is much appreciated.

Those prayers will be sent, though he'll be quite safe in a Merkava.

re: #68 negativ

Was that really necessary?

One of my favorite photos in my family's history is one of my great great grandfather's blacksmith shop in Pittsburgh. He was a German immigrant and Civil War veteran. The Pittsburgh Post Gazette a few years back ran a story on my dad's cousin and some people re-enacting the famous photo. Learned that my great great grandfather was murdered and his body found in the Allegheny River and that the murder remains unsolved. It's pretty interesting since when my grandfather was close to retirement both him and my grandmother began to raise horses. My older cousins and myself had quite a few birthday parties where we and our friends got to ride the horses.

re: #65 NJDhockeyfan

Very cool. He will learn a lot, and be among good fellows.
Share our blessings on him.

re: #68 negativ

W.T.F. ?!

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

Those prayers will be sent, though he'll be quite safe in a Merkava.

That's what his mom said. He's probably in the safest place right now.

Check this out, he's discovered he and his tank commander are related...they are cousins. He is getting treated like family now.

re: #66 negativ

What you're missing is ALMOST EVERYTHING.

Before we get into how people posed for photos and/or what clothing they wore and why, I insist that you use the Googles and find out about the chemistry of photography in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Like my link? That chemistry goes back to 1850. Unless that is a later process than I thought. Looked like early stuff to me.

re: #70 Floral Giraffe

Was that really necessary?

Define "necessary".

re: #68 negativ

Where did that come from?

I have never said this before..
all the time I have posted the prayer list Charles has never objected to it in the least...
Thanks Charles..You are a good man for allowing it on this blog

re: #75 NJDhockeyfan

That's what his mom said. He's probably in the safest place right now.

Check this out, he's discovered he and his tank commander are related...they are cousins. He is getting treated like family now.

LOL!
Everyone on this earth is a cousin, if you look hard enough.
Still, great for him to have family around.

re: #78 negativ

Define "necessary".

Why don't you step away from the keyboard for a while?

re: #77 Floral Giraffe

Well done. Heh.

re: #78 negativ

Define "necessary".

Are you just trolling for reactions, or do you honestly believe what you are posting. "Necessary" is to my mind, clarifiation of something stated.
What did you mean?

re: #78 negativ

Define "necessary".

"Needed, required to make the point" From where I sit, that post was just a cheap shot. It was also making light of a very serious situation. That makes it downding worthy in my eyes.

re: #82 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Everyone on this earth is a cousin, if you look hard enough.
Still, great for him to have family around.

No, really...they are cousins, 6th removed. (did I say that right?) His last name is the same as his commander's mom's maiden name is. They did some research and bingo, cousins!

re: #87 negativ

So you're a Big Fan of someone whose sense of pride and hope lied in doing everything she possibly could to make sure her son turned out as fucked-up as possible, bragging in detail about it publicly, and then soliciting Internet Hugs when she had doubts about her behavior. Nifty!

This has nothing to do with being a "fan" of anyone or anything. It has to do with YOU... I'll repeat... YOU, taking a cheap shot at someone who has already been banned from this blog, and YOU, adding to that cheap shot by taking a further cheaper shot by referencing that "fucked-up as possible" boy.

That's FUCKED UP AS POSSIBLE. Grow up.

re: #87 negativ

So you're a Big Fan of someone whose sense of pride and hope lied in doing everything she possibly could to make sure her son turned out as fucked-up as possible, bragging in detail about it publicly, and then soliciting Internet Hugs when she had doubts about her behavior. Nifty!

Sometimes it takes a while to see a troll.
I wondered earlier today.
Thank you for being assholish enough to confirm your rude, crude & troll status fro me.
GAZE.

re: #87 negativ

So you're a Big Fan of someone whose sense of pride and hope lied in doing everything she possibly could to make sure her son turned out as fucked-up as possible, bragging in detail about it publicly, and then soliciting Internet Hugs when she had doubts about her behavior. Nifty!

Making nasty comments about someone's child is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

re: #87 negativ

Horseshit. Mandy was sometimes out of line and she hostile at times, but I never, ever got the impression that she was doing wrong in raising her son. Complain about things she said that merited her being banned if you want, feel free to slam her for using the word "prog", but do not ever imply she is a bad mother. Because I have never once seen anything to indicate that.

(Note: I'm not questioning the ban in any way, but I won't let someone be slandered as a bad parent when everything I know tells me the allegation is false.)

TSA hate spiraling out of control at the Fever Swamp.
The subject is a YouTube video allegedly showing a young mother being harassed and humiliated because she does not want the container of mother's milk she is carrying for her baby to pass through the X-ray machine. The problem is that we only have the poster's word for what is going on, what the circumstances are, or (most importantly) what is actually being said.

TSA hate

at this rate santa claus is gonna come in for teh wingnut hate sooner or later

re: #93 Shiplord Kirel

TSA hate spiraling out of control at the Fever Swamp.
The subject is a YouTube video allegedly showing a young mother being harassed and humiliated because she does not want the container of mother's milk she is carrying for her baby to pass through the X-ray machine. The problem is that we only have the poster's word for what is going on, what the circumstances are, or (most importantly) what is actually being said.

[Video]

To say nothing of the fact that minor irradiation of milk is quite harmless. This is an "Outrageous Outrage!!1 " 'story'.

re: #94 negativ

re: #90 Floral Giraffe

There are doctors who can help you.

What the hell is wrong with you? Did your mama not hug you enough?

re: #87 negativ

As if recognizing your rude comment as such makes DF a "fan". As if we want to hear your opinion of her parenting at this time..
Or ever. Not Really.

re: #94 negativ

Sorry to say, there aren't any doctors who can help you.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Your mental heath professionals, just got removed.

re: #94 negativ

re: #90 Floral Giraffe

There are doctors who can help you.

But none that can help you

Good Night. Out.

re: #97 blueraven

What the hell is wrong with you? Did your mama not hug you enough?

I think his mama did the right thing, he just doesn't think it was enough.
WAH ! WAH! WAH!

re: #94 negativ

re: #90 Floral Giraffe

There are doctors who can help you.

What are you, like 16 years old or something? Does you mom know you are on the internet instead of sleeping? You got school tomorrow morning ya know.

re: #66 negativ

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re: #94 negativ

Jerk.

I posted this old bad joke to the end of the last thread. I am reposting it so that more people may suffer:

A man goes to Israel on vacation, and decides to 'go native' by renting a camel and riding it through the streets of Tel Aviv. Growing thirsty, he stops and goes into a store to buy a soda, without tying up the camel. When he comes out, the camel is gone.

He goes to the police station and tries to file a missing camel report. "What color is the camel?" the policeman asks. "I don't remember."

"Well, one hump or two?"

"I don't remember."

"Was it wearing a saddle? Were there decorations on it?"

"No idea."

"OK, do you know anything about this animal?"

"It was a male! I know that!"

"Sir, you can't remember the color of the camel, or if it was wearing a saddle, but you know it was a male? How?"

"Well, when I was riding it down Dizengoff Street, people kept pointing, and saying, "Look at the schmuck on that camel!"

re: #94 negativ

re: #90 Floral Giraffe

There are doctors who can help you.

Swing that back around at yourself.

re: #94 negativ

re: #90 Floral Giraffe

There are doctors who can help you.

Paging Dr. Beaumont.
Paging Dr. Beaumont.
Emergency clean up, please respond to page!

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

Camel, that's nothing, look at the schmuck on this thread!

Good Night Lizards...

re: #108 jaunte

Camel, that's nothing, look at the schmuck on this thread!

LOL!

re: #65 NJDhockeyfan

My friend's son who just joined the IDF and has been training just found out what he will be doing. He just got sent to tank training. How cool is that? Prayers for his safety is much appreciated.

Absolutely. Can you give us his name, English or Hebrew?

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Horseshit. Mandy was sometimes out of line and she hostile at times, but I never, ever got the impression that she was doing wrong in raising her son.

I guess you missed out on the time she proudly demanded that her kid (who, according to her, was a straight-A student) be held back a grade NOT for academic reasons, and not for social reasons, but as A MEANS OF PUNISHMENT for "infractions" she admitted she couldn't even identify. She was unambiguously mentally ill, and her son suffered for it.

Goodnight folks.

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Absolutely. Can you give us his name, English or Hebrew?

And ask if we can ...borrow... the tank for a bit.
;)

re: #109 HoosierHoops

Good Night Lizards...

Sleep tight, Hoopster!

re: #87 negativ

OK, I'm missing something.

I think I am just as glad.

re: #112 negativ

I frankly don't care.
It's none of my business.
You seem obsessed.

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I'm missing something.

I think I am just as glad.

I know exactly what he's referring to. It's none of his/her business.

re: #112 negativ

You are just a rude troll.
How much longer are you going to post?
Mandy is not mentally ill.
You are.
And you seem to like abuse.
Do you prefer leather or latex?

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Absolutely. Can you give us his name, English or Hebrew?

His name is Gordon. He's a really great kid. I've known him since he was just a little tyke. It's a great thing he's doing.

re: #120 NJDhockeyfan

His name is Gordon. He's a really great kid. I've known him since he was just a little tyke. It's a great thing he's doing.

Tell him he has internet fans!
*waving*

re: #114 Varek Raith

And ask if we can ...borrow... the tank for a bit.
;)

I wouldn't mind having a Merkava. When you have a Merkava, you never need to LOOK for parking. Parking just happens.

re: #114 Varek Raith

And ask if we can ...borrow... the tank for a bit.
;)

I gave him a jar of hot sauce when here was here in August. He just asked for more so he's got 2 jars on the way. I told his mom I want a picture of a jar of my hot sauce on a tank. I will post it if he does that.

re: #120 NJDhockeyfan

His name is Gordon. He's a really great kid. I've known him since he was just a little tyke. It's a great thing he's doing.

It is. Thanks.

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

I wouldn't mind having a Merkava. When you have a Merkava, you never need to LOOK for parking. Parking just happens.

I'd use mine for the Neighborhood Watch.
"TURN DOWN THAT FREAKING MUSIC!!!"
*BOOOM!*

Old Photos.

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

It is. Thanks.

His mom told me his roommate is in special forces. I think she said he was in the Sayeret. I'll verify tomorrow. I'm going over to their house in the morning.

re: #112 negativ

That was absolutely the right thing to do in that particular situation. He needed the maturity the extra year would give him. Talk to any teacher - I believe MANY hold-backs are for reasons of maturity rather than intellect. It makes a difference.

re: #112 negativ

Why don't you get lost, at least until you learn to stop spewing troll bile all over the thread.

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

I wouldn't mind having a Merkava. When you have a Merkava, you never need to LOOK for parking. Parking just happens.

re: #112 negativ

The only mentally ill person I've seen on here is you.

re: #104 Varek Raith

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re: #94 negativ

Jerk.

Well, that's certainly an argument I hadn't considered.

re: #133 negativ

Well, that's certainly an argument I hadn't considered.

Hey, if the shoe fits, wear it shithead.

2nd Star of David 'uncovered' in Tehran

Iranian authorities once again 'hit' by past friendly relations with Israel : Images published Saturday by Iranian media outlets show a Star of David on the roof of the main national airline's building at the Tehran airport.

The satellite image was taken from the Google Earth service. According to the Iranian report, the Iran Air building was "built by Israeli engineers," who operated in the countries before the 1979 Islamic Revolution during the days of Shaa Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.

"It's interesting that even 32 years after the victory of the revolution, this Zionist star symbol has yet to be removed from this building," a local news website wrote.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

My security guard friend reports that the level of hatred and provocation directed at him at the Big Box store has actually gotten worse in recent weeks. It was already beyond belief, with Texas Tech students as the worst offenders but by no means the only ones. The reason, believe it or not, apparently has to do with some connection the haters between him and the TSA. He works for a private company and has no connection to the feds or TSA at all, other than having to put with them if he flies somewhere. Middle-age white people and the usual college barbarians are the culprits here.

Btw, his company has dropped a contract with an off-campus apartment complex because of serious assaults (3 in two weeks) on the guards who work there. These were committed by the very residents the guards are hired to protect. The complex cannot get security now at all, all 7 companies in this area have refused their business. Five people were arrested in connection with the assaults. One suspect's father, a businessman from a Dallas suburb, was reportedly astounded to find that his litter was facing ten years in prison. He didn't know, as apparently most Texas idiots don't, that private security officers in Texas are licensed, trained, and supervised by the state police. They have the same legal protection as police officers. Attack one of them in Texas, you are in for a world of hurt.

In the meantime, the same company works in another complex with a different demographic, 96% non-white with a high percentage of section 8 recipients. No officer has been assaulted there in the year and a half they have had the contract.

re: #133 negativ

Look, when you criticized her before, your posts got deleted.
Remember?

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

My security guard friend reports that the level of hatred and provocation directed at him at the Big Box store has actually gotten worse in recent weeks. It was already beyond belief, with Texas Tech students as the worst offenders but by no means the only ones. The reason, believe it or not, apparently has to do with some connection the haters between him and the TSA. He works for a private company and has no connection to the feds or TSA at all, other than having to put with them if he flies somewhere. Middle-age white people and the usual college barbarians are the culprits here.

Btw, his company has dropped a contract with an off-campus apartment complex because of serious assaults (3 in two weeks) on the guards who work there. These were committed by the very residents the guards are hired to protect. The complex cannot get security now at all, all 7 companies in this area have refused their business. Five people were arrested in connection with the assaults. One suspect's father, a businessman from a Dallas suburb, was reportedly astounded to find that his litter was facing ten years in prison. He didn't know, as apparently most Texas idiots don't, that private security officers in Texas are licensed, trained, and supervised by the state police. They have the same legal protection as police officers. Attack one of them in Texas, you are in for a world of hurt.

In the meantime, the same company works in another complex with a different demographic, 96% non-white with a high percentage of section 8 recipients. No officer has been assaulted there in the year and a half they have had the contract.

That's incredibly weird. I am so sorry. What a bunch of nutjobs.

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

I assume you heard about this?
Irvin Kershner, filmmaker of 'Empire Strikes Back,' dead at 87

re: #140 Varek Raith

I assume you heard about this?
Irvin Kershner, filmmaker of 'Empire Strikes Back,' dead at 87

My husband is sad. :(

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

My security guard friend reports that the level of hatred and provocation directed at him at the Big Box store has actually gotten worse in recent weeks. It was already beyond belief, with Texas Tech students as the worst offenders but by no means the only ones. The reason, believe it or not, apparently has to do with some connection the haters between him and the TSA. He works for a private company and has no connection to the feds or TSA at all, other than having to put with them if he flies somewhere. Middle-age white people and the usual college barbarians are the culprits here.

Btw, his company has dropped a contract with an off-campus apartment complex because of serious assaults (3 in two weeks) on the guards who work there. These were committed by the very residents the guards are hired to protect. The complex cannot get security now at all, all 7 companies in this area have refused their business. Five people were arrested in connection with the assaults. One suspect's father, a businessman from a Dallas suburb, was reportedly astounded to find that his litter was facing ten years in prison. He didn't know, as apparently most Texas idiots don't, that private security officers in Texas are licensed, trained, and supervised by the state police. They have the same legal protection as police officers. Attack one of them in Texas, you are in for a world of hurt.

In the meantime, the same company works in another complex with a different demographic, 96% non-white with a high percentage of section 8 recipients. No officer has been assaulted there in the year and a half they have had the contract.

Why is this happening? It seems to make no sense.

re: #142 negativ

I disagreed with her on just about everything.
The way she raises her kid?
None of my freaking business.
Just drop your obsession with her and move on.

BTW, we're out of martyr cookies.

re: #140 Varek Raith

I assume you heard about this?
Irvin Kershner, filmmaker of 'Empire Strikes Back,' dead at 87

That's sad. RIP

re: #142 negativ

Your typing seems to be growing more senseless as the evening wears on.

re: #142 negativ

aaand one of us got banned, while the other one didn't.

(incoming ban in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...)

So, waiting to boast to your other stalker friends?
What are you gonna boast about?
And why?
Curiosity killed the cat, but we're still playing, here...

re: #144 Varek Raith

I disagreed with her on just about everything.
The way she raises her kid?
None of my freaking business.
Just drop your obsession with her and move on.

BTW, we're out of martyr cookies.

No, I was able to bake 2 of them last night. They're peanut butter, too.

[shoves a martyr cookie down negativ's throat]

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

That's incredibly weird. I am so sorry. What a bunch of nutjobs.

I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't spent an evening with him at his job a couple of months ago. I did ask some of the haters what their problem was. It is usually some asinine projection about what the guard thinks and what he intends to do. In truth, he has nothing at all to do with, say, shoplifting, but the idea that he is about to accuse them seems uppermost in the minds of many shoppers. Some of it is related to perceptions about social status and the generally negative portrayal of security guards in media. One puke sneered about "minimum wage security guards" which is off the mark by about half.

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Damn.
I like peanut butter cookies.
:)

Space Shuttle Discovery's Final Launch Delayed Until At Least December 17

NASA has further delayed space shuttle Discovery's final launch on mission STS-133 until no earlier than December 17, 2010. Teams need more time to conduct further tests, collect more data, and better analyze the information to better understand why two of Discovery's external fuel tank's 21' vertical stringers cracked November 5th during offloading of cryogenic liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen.

I know some in Congress want to extend the shuttle's life, but damn, she's literally falling apart.

The First Photograph of a Human

Robert Krulwich, an NPR correspondent who maintains his own "sciencey" blog on the organization's website, may have helped to bring attention to the first photograph of a human being ever taken thanks to his interaction with readers.

In September, Krulwich posted a set of daguerreotypes taken by Charles Fontayne and William Porter in Cincinnati 162 years ago, on September 24, 1848. Krulwich was celebrating the work of the George Eastman House in association with the Public Library of Cincinnati and Hamilton County. Using visible-light microscopy, the George Eastman House scanned several plates depicting the Cincinnati Waterfront so that scholars could zoom in and study the never-before-seen details.

In one photograph (shown above), scholars were able to zoom in so far that two human figures became visible. One short, the other tall, they look like they're standing on a wooden platform at the river's edge. One of Krulwich's readers -- he goes by Hokumburg -- wrote in to further discuss the two figures:

I have lightened it up a bit and messed with the contrast a little, and I think the man on the left is standing behind the wooden beam wall (wharf? dock?) with his left leg up on the wall and his left hand resting on his knee, while the man on the right is standing on top of that wall. What do you think?

Impressed by his observations, Krulwich visited Hokumburg's own blog, the Hokumburg Goombah, where he came across a photograph taken almost a decade earlier. The photo, shown below, was taken by the inventor of the Daguerreotype himself, Louis Daguerre, on the streets of Paris in 1838. Hokumburg claims, in his post, that this is the first photograph of a human being.

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Why is this happening? It seems to make no sense.

See #149. I also think there is some specific grievance at Texas Tech that fuels this, a false story that is part of the folklore or something like that. I don't have any idea what it really is, but that is one impression I have. I do know that college students in nearby Canyon and in Denton near Dallas are nothing like as hostile. (I've been researching this subject for a magazine article, though I'm not sure who would publish it.)

re: #142 negativ

Were you born an asshole?
Or did you work at it your whole life?
Either way it worked out fine
'cause you're an asshole tonight.
Yes you're an A S S H O L E...
And don't you try to blame it on me.

You deserve all the credit.
You're an asshole tonight.
You were an asshole yesterday.
You're an asshole tonight.
And I've got a feelin'
you'll be an asshole the rest of your life.

re: #153 negativ

Your posts are mentally abusing us.

re: #154 Shiplord Kirel

See #149. I also think there is some specific grievance at Texas Tech that fuels this, a false story that is part of the folklore or something like that. I don't have any idea what it really is, but that is one impression I have. I do know that college students in nearby Canyon and in Denton near Dallas are nothing like as hostile. (I've been researching this subject for a magazine article, though I'm not sure who would publish it.)

Thanks. You should try to publicize the issue. Texas Tech needs to get its students into line. If not, then places should stop serving said students till the abuse stops. Those punks need to learn not to be abusive.

re: #153 negativ

And there we have it. Child abuse and peant butter cookies.

I don't know what your problem is, but you are saying nasty shit about the son of someone who has been banned and who is no longer here.

That's what the stalkers do at their blog. And personally, I think their behavior sucks, and that they need to move on and be happy with where they are instead of focusing on making stuff up about whoever is here.

And you're acting just like they do. I'm thinking a lot of us here don't much like it.

re: #159 reine.de.tout

I don't know what your problem is, but you are saying nasty shit about the son of someone who has been banned and who is no longer here.

That's what the stalkers do at their blog. And personally, I think their behavior sucks, and that they need to move on and be happy with where they are instead of focusing on making stuff up about whoever is here.

And you're acting just like they do. I'm thinking a lot of us here don't much like it.

I don't even know where the hell it CAME from. WTF.

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

2nd Star of David 'uncovered' in Tehran

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

First thing I thought of was its evil twin in Naval Amphibious Base Coronado. I'm sorry.

More on its history...

re: #161 laZardo

Fuck. "Twin" was not the right word.

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't even know where the hell it CAME from. WTF.

Nor I. It's like negativ has been possessed by Rodan or something.

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

Nor I. It's like negativ has been possessed by Rodan or something.

Well, if I can guess at this, Rodan = Twagie = Negativ.
They're all sock puppets talking to themselves.
Hmm, how do adults put the smack down on sock puppets?
Besides recognizing them & refusing to respond...

Well folks, time to toddle off to bed. Have a nice night, read my silly page and I'll read you all in the morning.

re: #159 reine.de.tout

I don't know what your problem is, but you are saying nasty shit about the son of someone who has been banned and who is no longer here.

That's what the stalkers do at their blog. And personally, I think their behavior sucks, and that they need to move on and be happy with where they are instead of focusing on making stuff up about whoever is here.

And you're acting just like they do. I'm thinking a lot of us here don't much like it.

Quoted, because I can!

re: #164 Floral Giraffe

Well, if I can guess at this, Rodan = Twagie = Negativ.
They're all sock puppets talking to themselves.
Hmm, how do adults put the smack down on sock puppets?
Besides recognizing them & refusing to respond...

You run the sock through the wash with extra detergent. Cheer and Tide are good at getting out dried troll bile. :D

re: #153 negativ

And there we have it. Child abuse and peant butter cookies.

re: #168 Adolf_Hitlers_Head

That nic is not cool. Please get rid of it.

I don't think so.

re: #172 Charles

I don't think so.

Kind of figured.
:)

There must be a full moon.

re: #168 Adolf_Hitlers_Head

I can be any body.
What's on your mind?

re: #172 Charles

I don't think so.

Thank you, Charles. Was that Rodan? Because it seemed like him.

re: #175 Floral Giraffe

I can be any body.
What's on your mind?

Too late. Charles ban-hammered that one.

Yeah, that lasted about as long as expected.

re: #172 Charles

Reported the messes.
A couple downstairs too.
Sorry, but we did kinda play with the Troll.

Wait, did I come in at a bad time? 0:

Well I'm getting sleepy. Have a great evening and keep the trolls at bay.

Gotta head home from school. BBL.

In the meantime, TREADED SEGWAY!

Trips off into the evening, whistling.
Later, Taters.
Mental note to ask RP for quicker, more effective Troll Hammer.
Sleep tight, all!

Goodnight, all.

re: #153 negativ

And there we have it. Child abuse and peant butter cookies.

Sigh...

Really, child abuse is not a topic to joke about, I could give you some links if I wanted to get a felony charge...

I find them, I report them, it's actually sickening what is available, there is too much of it and it is getting more brutal and explicit by the day. One link leads to another to another to another...248 I.P.s within the U.S. reported so far...my modest contribution to decency.

Anyway...I think you might want to find something else to use as a joke, I don't really think anyone finds it all that funny.

re: #152 NJDhockeyfan

The First Photograph of a Human

Impressed by his observations, Krulwich visited Hokumburg's own blog, the Hokumburg Goombah, where he came across a photograph taken almost a decade earlier. The photo, shown below, was taken by the inventor of the Daguerreotype himself, Louis Daguerre, on the streets of Paris in 1838. Hokumburg claims, in his post, that this is the first photograph of a human being.

Very cool. Thanks for posting this. I am very interested in old photographs for historical context. I posted some pages on early color photos a while back. Contrary to popular belief, color photography did exist in the World War 1 era but it was quite rare. Some of these are quite haunting:
Britain around 1920
Russia in color, 100 years ago.

I like this a lot better than the original:

"Close Encounters of the Redneck Kind."

re: #188 Shiplord Kirel

I like this a lot better than the original:

"Close Encounters of the Redneck Kind."

[Video]

I just watched the Close Encounters original a few weeks ago, again. I loved it then, and again.

This Redneck version is awesome though!! Thanks, SK! I needed a good laugh. I will be sharing this.

“There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning.”

- warren buffet

this is the best LGF post ever

re: #186 ausador

Respectfully disagreeing, the radio satirist Phil Hendrie has a former (time served) child molestor character that he uses as a vehicle to exploit the sorts of fears that irrational people have about child abductions, it absolutely is worth satirizing

More fantastic old photographs:
World War One in Color
These were made by the Autochrome process, invented by the Lumiere brothers in 1907.
My favorite: Astounding Autochrome image of Nieuport 17 fighter, taken in 1917 when this 110hp biplane was state of the art.

re: #10 Rightwingconspirator

Charles where did you get this old photograph? Looks to be 1860 or so.

No, it looks early 1900's. Those styles are definitely not 1860's.

I love their shoes.

re: #194 Alouette

I have some great pictures of my grandmother and great-uncle when they were kids, in the 1920s, and great-uncle Gus was wearing a dress, because small boys wore dresses up until they were about five or so.

Ah, fashion.

How was work?

re: #195 Obdicut

I have some great pictures of my grandmother and great-uncle when they were kids, in the 1920s, and great-uncle Gus was wearing a dress, because small boys wore dresses up until they were about five or so.

Ah, fashion.

How was work?

I did not know that...
Interesting.

Morning, all

re: #195 Obdicut

I have some great pictures of my grandmother and great-uncle when they were kids, in the 1920s, and great-uncle Gus was wearing a dress, because small boys wore dresses up until they were about five or so.

Ah, fashion.

How was work?

Oh hectic. I'm able to access LGF from work, but no time to read it, let alone post, because I'm, uh, working.

re: #198 Alouette

Sent you a mail at viscous babuska.

re: #197 researchok

re: #196 Varek Raith

re: #196 Varek Raith

New science and economics post worth looking at:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

On November 29, 2010, Steven Chu, a Nobel Laureate in Physics, and US Secretary of Energy, spoke to the National Press Club in Washington DC,on America's declining competive edge in critical new technologies, including those that will power the industrial revolution of the new century, - Energy efficiency, and Renewable, low carbon energy production.

re: #195 Obdicut

And meant to click you to for the article buddy.

re: #200 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #196 Varek Raith

re: #196 Varek Raith

New science and economics post worth looking at:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

On my way

re: #199 LudwigVanQuixote

Sent you a mail at viscous babuska.

Check your gmail.

re: #198 Alouette

Oh hectic. I'm able to access LGF from work, but no time to read it, let alone post, because I'm, uh, working.

Working is great!
:)

re: #204 Varek Raith

Working is great!
:)

It sure beats being unemployed! :)

re: #200 LudwigVanQuixote

Listening now.

re: #203 Alouette

replied.

re: #202 researchok

Good stuff. I did leave questions/comment

re: #196 Varek Raith

I did not know that...
Interesting.

[Link: histclo.com...]

I have a photo of my father in such garb when he was about 3-4 years old (that would be 1924 ish)

re: #206 Varek Raith

re: #207 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #208 researchok

re: #195 Obdicut

In other news, I just figured out that my Erodos number is 3, and my Feynman number is two!

PIMF Erdos number.

We also have a huge pile of old photos of family members, or maybe just friends -- who can say? -- dating from before 1900. Some my grandpa bothered to identify, like a photo of his mother taken in 1856. Another one of a baby girl in a carriage taken in Montreal around 1890 was unmarked. Then, when I was checking Chicago census records for 1900 I discovered grandpa and his first wife were living with a son I knew about and a 5-year-old Canadian-born girl I didn't know about. I guessed the baby in the picture was her.

I put all this online at my genealogy.com page. A few weeks later, I heard from this girl's granddaughter, who had the exact same Montreal photo as I did. Turns out Gladys (the girl) was adopted by my grandpa and his first wife, perhaps because she was a friend's baby born out of wedlock. Grandpa apparently doted on her like crazy. Gladys grew up, married, had three kids, and sadly, died before she was 40.

I found some photos of her when she was a teen, too. She was a real cutie.

re: #210 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #207 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #208 researchok

re: #195 Obdicut

In other news, I just figured out that my Erodos number is 3, and my Feynman number is two!

Why on earth then, is Julian Assange in the headlines??

//

re: #213 researchok

Why on earth then, is Julian Assange in the headlines??

//

Yeah seriously.

Because my Erdos number is 3, my Portman number is six!

re: #214 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah seriously.

Because my Erdos number is 3, my Portman number is six!

Natalie Portman?

re: #214 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah seriously.

Because my Erdos number is 3, my Portman number is six!

re: #214 LudwigVanQuixote

I called Jeffrey Archer an idiot on live radio once.

re: #214 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah seriously.

Because my Erdos number is 3, my Portman number is six!

I wonder what Kevin Bacons number is?

re: #215 Alouette

Natalie Portman?

Yes. She wrote a paper while at Harvard that gave her an Erdos number of three. The way the number works is that you collaborated with someone who collaborated with .... Erdos, the mathematician.

Since I don't know the full chain of her three steps to Erdos, but I do know mine, I might have a Portman number as low as 5.

The Erdos number is basically six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

[Link: www.oakland.edu...]

re: #217 Obdicut

I called Jeffrey Archer an idiot on live radio once.

LOL that is pretty awesome.

re: #215 Alouette

Natalie Portman?

LOLOL

re: #215 Alouette

Natalie Portman?

If that's the case, LVQ is behind me.

re: #217 Obdicut

I called Jeffrey Archer an idiot on live radio once.

I called Michael Dukakis an idiot in person once

(meeting of small businessmen with him in Boston in the late 80's)

re: #217 Obdicut

I called Jeffrey Archer an idiot on live radio once.

So what?

I've been called an idiot hundreds of times!
//

re: #218 sattv4u2

I wonder what Kevin Bacons number is?

Portman actually is one of the few with a known Erdos-Bacon number. I am not joking.

That one is tough, because you have to be peer reviewed published and in Hollywood films.

Unless you use the Feynman number.

Mine is two. Feynman's Bacon number was three, a documentary about him (Feynman) was directed by someone who was two steps to Kevin Bacon.

That makes my Bacon number 5, unless physics Dept films don't count as movies. Then my Bacon number is still undefined.

re: #222 researchok

If that's the case, LVQ is behind me.

I would rather be behind Natalie!

And OK, what is your Erdos number? Is yours actually lower than mine? Or are you using some psychologist number?

re: #225 LudwigVanQuixote

Then my Bacon number is still undefined.

I'll have the sausage instead!

bbl

re: #193 Shiplord Kirel

My favorite: Astounding Autochrome image of Nieuport 17 fighter, taken in 1917 when this 110hp biplane was state of the art.

Looks like a toy.

/d'awwww~

re: #225 LudwigVanQuixote

Portman actually is one of the few with a known Erdos-Bacon number. I am not joking.

That one is tough, because you have to be peer reviewed published and in Hollywood films.

Unless you use the Feynman number.

Mine is two. Feynman's Bacon number was three, a documentary about him (Feynman) was directed by someone who was two steps to Kevin Bacon.

That makes my Bacon number 5, unless physics Dept films don't count as movies. Then my Bacon number is still undefined.

Holy crap, LVQ.

More to you than meets the petri dish. Or slide. Or telescope. Or Hadron Collider. Or particle accelerator. Or toaster....

re: #226 LudwigVanQuixote

I would rather be behind Natalie!

And OK, what is your Erdos number? Is yours actually lower than mine? Or are you using some psychologist number?

Yes.

NUMBER ONE.
/

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

[Video]

That took me back a few years...my friends in a band used to sing this occasionally. Great times. :-)

BBL

OT: A little blurb about TARP. The tab's down to $25B. Not a bad price for saving us from complete economic meltdown.

TARP to Cost Government $25B
By Deependra Jha
SNL Financial
November 29, 2010
The U.S. Treasury Department's TARP transactions will cost the federal government $25 billion, according to a Nov. 29 Congressional Budget Office report that estimates the bailout transactions as of Nov. 18. The estimated cost has been attributed largely to the aid given to American International Group Inc. and to the automotive industry, as well as grant programs designed to avoid foreclosures. The CBO's revised costs include grants that have not been made yet for mortgage programs. The report said it was not clear initially that the cost would be this low. It noted that the current estimate is "substantially less" than the $66 billion estimate incorporated in the agency's previous baseline budget projection in August and the $109 billion figure in the agency's March report on TARP. "Because the financial system stabilized and then improved, the amount of funds used by the TARP was well below the $700 billion initially authorized, and the outcomes of most transactions made through the TARP were favorable for the federal government," the report said…

re: #199 LudwigVanQuixote

Sent you a mail at viscous babuska.

Do you do deal with liquid physics as part of your job by any chance? ;-))

re: #235 Sergey Romanov

Do you do deal with liquid physics as part of your job by any chance? ;-))

...EWWW.

/ :B

re: #236 laZardo

...EWWW.

/ :B

Why, why on earth did you split your tongue?

///

Mylene Farmer is unlistenable with exception of a pair of great songs. Here's one of them:

re: #238 Sergey Romanov

How about a little Gogol?

Bordello, that is.

re: #199 LudwigVanQuixote

Sent you a mail at viscous babuska.

The Babushka is vicious, not thick and slimy!

re: #239 Obdicut

I like this style, but I much prefer No Smoking Orchestra and Bregovic.

Uber Liberal Pundit Richard Cohen praises Bush's book "Decision Points"

Reading Bush's book, seeing him in his various TV appearances, I keep thinking of Menachem Begin, the late Israeli prime minister. In 1982, Begin took Israel to war in Lebanon. It cost Israel as many as 675 dead, 4,000 wounded and its image as invincible on the battlefield. Begin took responsibility. He resigned and became a recluse, a depressed and beaten man.

I suggest no such course for Bush - only that he read the WikiLeaks documents and, for the sake of history and the instruction it offers, reassess his vaunted decisions. His jejune approach to decision-making - know yourself but not necessarily the facts - is downright repellent. On the book's dust jacket, Bush is shown in a ranching outfit. A Peter Pan outfit would have been more fitting. Like him, Bush has never grown up.

re: #235 Sergey Romanov

Do you do deal with liquid physics as part of your job by any chance? ;-))

As a matter of fact yes. Chaos and non-linear dynamics as it relates to turbulence is my current area of interest. It was an up and up Freudian slip.

re: #240 Alouette

The Babushka is vicious, not thick and slimy!

Actually viscosity does not equal thickness or slimness per se, but rather the tendency to dissipate motion through conversion of kinetic energy to heat (through friction of fluid elements).

I don't know what the fuck this is.

someone explain O:

re: #244 laZardo

I don't know what the fuck this is.

someone explain O:

Evil bastards playing shitty music to celebrate genocide.

re: #242 darthstar

Cohen ueber-Liberal? C'mon. Center-left at best.

re: #245 LudwigVanQuixote

And remixed into deliberately shitty house music to mock them for it.

re: #235 Sergey Romanov

And speaking of which, I have three new science posts.

re: #244 laZardo

The original:

re: #249 Sergey Romanov

I love one of the YT comments: "That old man is fucking thirsty."

re: #234 garhighway

OT: A little blurb about TARP. The tab's down to $25B. Not a bad price for saving us from complete economic meltdown.

TARP to Cost Government $25B
By Deependra Jha
SNL Financial
November 29, 2010
The U.S. Treasury Department's TARP transactions will cost the federal government $25 billion, according to a Nov. 29 Congressional Budget Office report that estimates the bailout transactions as of Nov. 18. The estimated cost has been attributed largely to the aid given to American International Group Inc. and to the automotive industry, as well as grant programs designed to avoid foreclosures. The CBO's revised costs include grants that have not been made yet for mortgage programs. The report said it was not clear initially that the cost would be this low. It noted that the current estimate is "substantially less" than the $66 billion estimate incorporated in the agency's previous baseline budget projection in August and the $109 billion figure in the agency's March report on TARP. "Because the financial system stabilized and then improved, the amount of funds used by the TARP was well below the $700 billion initially authorized, and the outcomes of most transactions made through the TARP were favorable for the federal government," the report said…

Despite being in the UK i have a couple of US banking contacts - and they are bleating like heck about the interest on the repayments they had to make and how unfair it was that even the banks that didn't need to take TARP and who didn't use a penny still had to pay ineterest.

The programme did good.

re: #251 wozzablog

Despite being in the UK i have a couple of US banking contacts - and they are bleating like heck about the interest on the repayments they had to make and how unfair it was that even the banks that didn't need to take TARP and who didn't use a penny still had to pay ineterest.

The programme did good.

Heh, remind them that the banks got us into this mess.
Only fair they fix what they frakked up.
:)

re: #246 Sergey Romanov

Cohen ueber-Liberal? C'mon. Center-left at best.

I was being ironic. Cohen is about as liberal as John McCain.

re: #249 Sergey Romanov

Accordion guy's face. I know people do really fucked-up shit in war, but it's like that guy's face was either sculpted or hardened into that position at birth.

re: #252 Varek Raith

Heh, remind them that the banks got us into this mess.
Only fair they fix what they frakked up.
:)

There were a few good apples - and to be fair they accepted they had to take the money so as confidence did not drop across the entire sectorin the few banks that *needed* the money, the interest payments still rock sox though.

re: #253 darthstar

OK, should've read the quote ;-)

re: #255 wozzablog

There were a few good apples - and to be fair they accepted they had to take the money so as confidence did not drop across the entire sectorin the few banks that *needed* the money, the interest payments still rock sox though.

Doesn't unspoil the bunch. Hell, I should be lucky my WaMu savings transferred over to Chase without a hitch.

re: #242 darthstar Critics are people who emerge from the woods after a battle to shoot the wounded.