American Family Association's Bryan Fischer Calls for All 50 States to Criminalize Homosexuality

American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer Calls for All 50 States to Criminalize Homosexuality

Gimme that ol’ time religious hatred

WingnutsAugust 2011 • Views: 30,543

American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer performs a very valuable service for our country. Most public right wing religious figures make an effort to obscure their true agenda, trying to hoodwink Americans into believing they’re not so extreme.

But with Fischer, you’re getting the real stuff — unvarnished old-school hatred, with no gloss and no attractive rhetoric. It’s a valuable service because everyone should see the real face of the religious right: Fischer: Make Homosexuality ‘A Criminal Offense’.

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And as usual, we note that Fischer is not just a fringe lunatic — he and his hate group are very politically active, and influential in the Republican Party.

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85 comments

Kragar Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:25:15am

First, we outlaw the gays, then we get around the the coloreds and the Irish!
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William of Orange Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:27:31am

I think Bryan Fisher will not like the way in which the Foo Fighters announced their new American tour.

Watch "Hot buns."

It's hilarious!!

Eventual Carrion Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:27:52am

We need to close all the Red Lobsters and crab shacks also. Farmers and clothing manufactures need to be next. Then comes the savings and LOANS. Then we can get around to those damn mosques, synagogs, and "other" churches. We can figure out after that who is next.

Four More Tears Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:30:43am

re: #3 RayFerd

We need to close all the Red Lobsters and crab shacks also. Farmers and clothing manufactures need to be next. Then comes the savings and LOANS. Then we can get around to those damn mosques, synagogs, and "other" churches. We can figure out after that who is next.

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In the end we'll all just be a bunch of Mennonites raping women in their sleep.

lawhawk Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:30:44am

These folks would love to see Lawrence v. Texas overruled and the reinstitution of Bowers v. Hardwick, which criminalized sexual acts between homosexuals.

The US Supreme Court specifically noted in Lawrence that "Bowers was not correct when it was decided, and it is not correct today."

I think he's talking to an echo chamber more and more, given that a larger percentage of Americans are accepting of a gay lifestyle than ever before, more are open to gay marriage than ever before, and people recognize the fundamental rights and protections extend to gays and lesbians.

Moreover, Fischer doesn't seem to have a problem extending his version of government into the bedroom. That doesn't fly for me at all - it's certainly not small government, but it is small minded.

Iwouldprefernotto Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:30:56am

Didn't Lenny Bruce discuss this? He suggested, as a joke, that we punish gays by locking them up (with men).

Lenny was years ahead of his time.

iossarian Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:31:41am

I love how, even in full frothy-mouthed mental mode, he has to make it the "50 states" that outlaw gayness, not (HEAVEN FORBID) the great satan itself.

Political Atheist Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:31:54am

"Put them all in jail cells so we can reduce gay sex acts... Er, um wait a minute..."
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:32:08am

re: #6 Iwouldprefernotto

Didn't Lenny Bruce discuss this? He suggested, as a joke, that we punish gays by locking them up (with men).

Lenny was years ahead of his time.

That's like suspending a student for skipping skool.

lawhawk Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:32:40am

re: #5 lawhawk

Clarification: Bowers upheld the criminalization of sexual acts between homosexuals.

iossarian Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:32:51am

re: #5 lawhawk

I think he's talking to ~~an echo chamber~~ Republicans more and more, given that a larger percentage of ~~Americans~~ Democrats and Independents are accepting of a gay lifestyle than ever before, more are open to gay marriage than ever before, and people recognize the fundamental rights and protections extend to gays and lesbians.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:33:24am

re: #3 RayFerd

We need to close all the Red Lobsters and crab shacks also. Farmers and clothing manufactures need to be next. Then comes the savings and LOANS. Then we can get around to those damn mosques, synagogs, and "other" churches. We can figure out after that who is next.

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So, every part of Puritanism except the Puritan's respect for (mostly male) education (at that time it was thought women were less physically able to learn (though women were to be taught to read and write)). Throw in some racism and you've got Bryan Fischer.

jaunte Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:33:37am

Fischer’s opinion should come as no surprise as the AFA filed an amicus brief in support of Texas’s anti-sodomy law and condemned the court’s decision, calling the decision tantamount to “tyranny.”

Tyranny, of course, means having to put up with someone doing something you wouldn't do.

Kragar Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:34:29am

Just remember, Bryan Fischer Does Not Believe In "Imposing" His "Values"

So these principles on which this nation was founded: the sanctity of the family, the sanctity of marriage, the sanctity of life, the sanctity of private property, all of these things are established in the Judeo-Christian tradition and our nation was founded on these principles and are as valid today as they were when they were first given. So we believe that these values should be honored in our public life, not just in the private life, not just in our churches. God did not give his word just for people of faith, this was a word for his creation, the word for men and women created in his image.

We’re not talking about imposing these values, we’re not talking about insisting that other people acknowledge and obey these values, we are simply talking about public policy that honors certain behavior and discourages other behavior.

Lidane Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:35:05am

re: #5 lawhawk

These folks would love to see Lawrence v. Texas overruled and the reinstitution of Bowers v. Hardwick, which criminalized sexual acts between homosexuals.

They'd go further if they could, overturning Griswold v. Connecticut too.

iossarian Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:37:09am

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just remember, Bryan Fischer Does Not Believe In "Imposing" His "Values"

You don't have to share my values as long as you don't mind rotting in jail!

Bulworth Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:37:30am

Always wondered why the supposedly small government, limited government conservatives hate, absolutely hate, the Right to Privacy. They don't believe it exists, and they don't want anyone having any. But they're sure anti-government. //

Kragar Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:37:37am

re: #16 iossarian

You don't have to share my values as long as you don't mind rotting in jail!

He's pro-choice!

Four More Tears Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:37:58am

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just remember, Bryan Fischer Does Not Believe In "Imposing" His "Values"

Well I believe that Fischer needs to look up "impose" in the dictionary.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:38:41am

re: #15 Lidane

They'd go further if they could, overturning Griswold v. Connecticut too.

To be fair, it's possible to see Griswold as a poor decision while seeing the law in question in the case as a very bad one. But Fischer likely thinks it was a good law, since forbidding the distribution of contraceptives would fulfill the goals of his organization.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:39:32am

The chief functional problem with his idea is that it would have to be enforced.*

If the police have extra time to work on social stuff, I suggest that they use it to work on that whole child abuse problem, which doesn't seem to be diminishing any. I have recently read of two little girls (ages 4 and 5) who were literally beaten to death over a period of months.

*I'm just pointing out how non-functional his suggestion is.

iossarian Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:39:47am

Gay-hatred: mainstream Republican policy.

[Link: blogs.villagevoice.com...]

dragonfire1981 Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:40:19am

So to be clear: Two men living together are considered more threatening to Christian republican than a major corporation dumping industrial waste into a lake.

Bulworth Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:41:16am

re: #23 dragonfire1981

So to be clear: Two men living together are considered more threatening to Christian republican than a major corporation dumping industrial waste into a lake.

To the reichwing, Yes.

jaunte Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:42:17am

re: #22 iossarian

Gregory played tape from a 2004 speech Bachmann gave in which, among other gems, she said calling homosexuality "gay" was "part of Satan." The speech, which we at Runnin Scared brought to you a month ago and many gay publications have been talking about for a while, was largely relegated to LGBT circles. So it was fascinating to see MTP play Bachman's words for Bachmann's ears on a mainstream political show.

She was none too pleased with Gregory's playlist, and defended her staunch record against gay rights by saying,"I ascribe honor and dginity to every person, no matter their background. They have honor and they have dignity."

Gregory didn't let her off the hook and kept at her: "Do you think gay Americans hearing quotes like that from you think that's honor and dignity?"

Demonizing a group of people doesn't get any clearer than that.

Kragar Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:43:06am

re: #19 JasonA

Well I believe that Fischer needs to look up "impose" in the dictionary.

He's only going to read one book and the dictionary isn't it.

lostlakehiker Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:43:55am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

First, we outlaw the gays, then we get around the the coloreds and the Irish!
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Fringe or not, he's still a lunatic.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:46:11am

re: #5 lawhawk

Moreover, Fischer doesn't seem to have a problem extending his version of government into the bedroom. That doesn't fly for me at all - it's certainly not small government, but it is small minded.

It's not small government, but it is definitely conservative states rights government.

Four More Tears Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:46:28am

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He's only going to read one book and the dictionary isn't it.

Seeing how these guys usually end up it's probably "Chicks with Dicks."

iossarian Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:47:09am

re: #29 JasonA

Seeing how these guys usually end up it's probably "Chicks with Dicks."

There's a BOOK too?

[ hurriedly browses over to amazon.com ]

jaunte Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:48:19am

"There's a storm gathering..."
National Organization for Marriage; dark clouds and fear-mongering:

Youtube Video

"My freedom, my one last refuge of open bigotry, is being taken away..."

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:49:20am

re: #25 jaunte

Demonizing a group of people doesn't get any clearer than that.

Yeah and watch what happens when we bash back at them -- they will be the victims, oh poor con bigots.

rotfl

Donna Ballard Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:50:50am

Face palm! What is wrong with these people? Have the truly and honestly lost sight of what the United States of America was founded on? Every time I see something like this I wish I could defect. But to where? The world is a very scary place right now...*sigh*

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:51:01am

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, it's possible to see Griswold as a poor decision while seeing the law in question in the case as a very bad one.

Lol this ought to be good.

What about Griswold is a poor decision?

I'd also love to know your opinion of Loving vs Virginia, and the law in question for that.

Kragar Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:51:38am

re: #29 JasonA

Seeing how these guys usually end up it's probably "Chicks with Dicks."

Fake, but accurate...

jaunte Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:51:49am

re: #32 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Harassment!

The anti-gay National Organization for Marriage announced Friday, August 26, that Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry has signed its pledge to vigorously oppose marriage equality for same-sex couples.

Perry joins with Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann, and Rick Santorum in supporting the pledge, promising to support a federal marriage amendment defining marriage as “one man and one woman.” In signing the pledge, the candidates also promise to defend the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in court and appoint judicial officials who will “respect the original meaning of the Constitution.” And they promise to create a presidential commission to investigate the “harassment of traditional marriage supporters” and “advance legislation” to allow voters in Washington, D.C., to consider an initiative to repeal the city’s marriage equality law. [Link: www.keennewsservice.com...]

engineer cat Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:51:58am

given the recent history of these strident anti-gay activists, do i even have to say what i expect the next news item about this fischer character to be?

The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:52:53am

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just remember, Bryan Fischer Does Not Believe In "Imposing" His "Values"

Sort of like when the movie villain says he isn't going to do something, then has his chief goon do it instead.

Alexzander Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:53:02am

re: #32 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah and watch what happens when we bash back at them -- they will be the victims, oh poor con bigots.

rotfl

Bash Back!

lawhawk Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:53:19am

re: #32 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

GOP Presidential Candidate Rick Santorum was claiming he was facing a jihad from gay rights groups for opposing his political positions on gay rights.

Santorum said Friday that gays have targeted him since he became an outspoken critic of the Supreme Court decision that struck down state laws banning sodomy, The Hill newspaper reported.

"So the gay community said: 'He's comparing gay sex to incest and polygamy; how dare he do this,' and they have gone out on a, I would argue, jihad against Rick Santorum since then," Santorum was quoted as saying.

"I said, 'This is a napkin. A napkin is what a napkin is. It isn't a paper towel. It isn't a car.' You can call a napkin a car, but it doesn't make it a car. You can call a paper towel a chair, but it doesn't make it a chair. Marriage is what marriage is."

Santorum has been despised by gay-rights activists since a 2003 speech in which he compared gay marriage to sex with children and animals.

Influential sex columnist Dan Savage then began a campaign to use Santorum's last name to describe a sexual term that is vulgar and unsuited for publication.

Never mind that what Santorum would like to do for gays is nothing short of a jihad itself....

Four More Tears Tue, Aug 30, 2011 10:56:26am

re: #31 jaunte

"It is like watching the 700 Club and The Weather Channel at the same time."

Colbert Nation Video

Four More Tears Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:00:02am

re: #40 lawhawk

"OMG, these people I've compared to pedophiles are out to get me!"

Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:01:05am

re: #34 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol this ought to be good.

What about Griswold is a poor decision?

I'd also love to know your opinion of Loving vs Virginia, and the law in question for that.

Loving vs. Virginia was decided correctly. The 14th Amendment's guarantee of "equal protection under the law" clearly made the Virginia statue forbidding interracial marriage unconstitutional. The shame is that it took until the 1960's for the Supreme Court to make that ruling. It should have been issued 90 year prior.

lostlakehiker Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:02:36am

re: #33 Dragon_Lady

Face palm! What is wrong with these people? Have the truly and honestly lost sight of what the United States of America was founded on? Every time I see something like this I wish I could defect. But to where? The world is a very scary place right now...*sigh*

It's not that good an argument, what the United States was founded on. At the time of the founding, and for more than a century thereafter, homosexual conduct was generally outlawed.

Whatever the wider implications of our founding philosophy, the founders didn't take the view we take today. They got some things wrong, mind you.

Donna Ballard Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:02:48am

I guess the fact that in the wilds of nature even the most innocent of beasts have same sex paring doesn't mean anything to these so called Christians. Why would it be un-natural for those innocents with only instinct to base their feelings on be against the will of God? Didn't he create them too? The bible says he did, are they saying the bible is wrong? Hmm, there's pause for thought.

jaunte Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:03:32am

re: #45 Dragon_Lady

Those beasts must be evolutionists.

Political Atheist Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:04:08am

re: #44 lostlakehiker

Yet we expanded the founders stated principles to include GLBT people. I think that's the point.

Donna Ballard Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:05:23am

re: #44 lostlakehiker

It's not that good an argument, what the United States was founded on. At the time of the founding, and for more than a century thereafter, homosexual conduct was generally outlawed.

Whatever the wider implications of our founding philosophy, the founders didn't take the view we take today. They got some things wrong, mind you.

Yeah, I guess that's true. I guess I'm too much of an realist. Or an optimist. I believe in live and let live, and its none of my business what other people do in their bedroom.

Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:08:03am

re: #23 dragonfire1981

So to be clear: Two men living together are considered more threatening to Christian republican than a major corporation dumping industrial waste into a lake.

Yes, thus the reason they have attempted to politicize Ernie and Bert.

Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:08:50am

While we are at it let's make it so only property owners and white males be the only class allowed to vote. What consenting adults do in the privacy of their being is their business and their business alone.

Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:09:02am

re: #44 lostlakehiker

It's not that good an argument, what the United States was founded on. At the time of the founding, and for more than a century thereafter, homosexual conduct was generally outlawed.

Whatever the wider implications of our founding philosophy, the founders didn't take the view we take today. They got some things wrong, mind you.

So was adultery and the seduction of virgins, in many jurisdictions.

MrSilverDragon Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:09:34am

re: #48 Dragon_Lady

I believe in live and let live, and its none of my business what other people do in their bedroom.

Exactly, and if they do it in my bedroom, I reserve the right to record video and sell it at a huge profit. Yay, capitalism!

Donna Ballard Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:10:43am

re: #52 MrSilverDragon

Exactly, and if they do it in my bedroom, I reserve the right to record video and sell it at a huge profit. Yay, capitalism!

*face palm*

Bulworth Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:10:54am

re: #45 Dragon_Lady

I guess the fact that in the wilds of nature even the most innocent of beasts have same sex paring doesn't mean anything to these so called Christians. Why would it be un-natural for those innocents with only instinct to base their feelings on be against the will of God? Didn't he create them too? The bible says he did, are they saying the bible is wrong? Hmm, there's pause for thought.

Yeah, god created the animals but then Man sinned and this affected the earth and the animals somehow so some animals do bad things now like eat people and do teh gay. Also, too, Man has *dominion* over the animals. etc.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:11:44am

re: #54 Bulworth

Yeah, god created the animals but then Man sinned and this affected the earth and the animals somehow so some animals do bad things now like eat people and do teh gay. Also, too, Man has *dominion* over the animals. etc.
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Yea, the sheep have already learned what that "dominion" thing entails...
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Kragar Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:12:02am

re: #53 Dragon_Lady

*face palm*

WHY DO YOU HATE BUSINESS?!
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Youtube Video

Donna Ballard Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:14:16am

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WHY DO YOU HATE BUSINESS?!
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[Video]

Kragar, you do make me laugh! How you been my friend?

Kragar Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:15:43am

re: #57 Dragon_Lady

Kragar, you do make me laugh! How you been my friend?

Not bad.

Four More Tears Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:15:44am

Remember this the next time the word "corruption" comes out of BillO's mouth.

How Bill O’Reilly Tried to Get His Wife’s Boyfriend Investigated By the Cops

Last summer, Fox News anchor Bill O'Reilly came to believe that his wife was romantically involved with another man. Not just any man, but a police detective in the Long Island community they call home. So O'Reilly did what any concerned husband would do: He pulled strings to get the police department's internal affairs unit to investigate one of their own for messing with the wrong man's lady.

Donna Ballard Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:17:58am

re: #59 JasonA

Remember this the next time the word "corruption" comes out of BillO's mouth.

How Bill O’Reilly Tried to Get His Wife’s Boyfriend Investigated By the Cops

So much for the "No spin zone"!

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:18:48am

re: #39 Alexzander

Bash Back!

Yeah that's me. That phrase actually dates back to late 80s when we used to use it. Good link!

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:19:36am

re: #44 lostlakehiker

They got some things wrong, mind you.

e_e

Did they?

allegro Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:20:09am

re: #59 JasonA

Remember this the next time the word "corruption" comes out of BillO's mouth.

How Bill O’Reilly Tried to Get His Wife’s Boyfriend Investigated By the Cops

Hmmm, isn't this the same guy who had to come up with a large payoff not too long ago for sexual harassing a young lady at work?

Musta been someone else. Certainly he's not a hypocrite or nuthin'.

iossarian Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:20:52am

re: #59 JasonA

Remember this the next time the word "corruption" comes out of BillO's mouth.

How Bill O’Reilly Tried to Get His Wife’s Boyfriend Investigated By the Cops

Divorce should be illegal. Disgusting how these O'Reillys are carrying on.

Shameful, sinful behavior.

Four More Tears Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:21:22am

re: #63 allegro

Hmmm, isn't this the same guy who had to come up with a large payoff not too long ago for sexual harassing a young lady at work?

Musta been someone else. Certainly he's not a hypocrite or nuthin'.

We have yet to reach the falafel for comment.

Four More Tears Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:21:40am

re: #64 iossarian

Divorce should be illegal. Disgusting how these O'Reillys are carrying on.

Shameful, sinful behavior.

I see what you did there.

Henchman Ghazi-808 Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:22:49am

re: #59 JasonA

Remember this the next time the word "corruption" comes out of BillO's mouth.

How Bill O’Reilly Tried to Get His Wife’s Boyfriend Investigated By the Cops

You can't explain that.

Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:24:11am

re: #64 iossarian

Divorce should be illegal. Disgusting how these O'Reillys are carrying on.

Shameful, sinful behavior.

Not hard to find a few thousand Catholics to endorse that.

Donna Ballard Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:24:14am

BBL Folks. Keep Laughing!

b_sharp Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:27:29am

re: #23 dragonfire1981

So to be clear: Two men living together are considered more threatening to Christian republican than a major corporation dumping industrial waste into a lake.

Bingo. Give this poster a cigar.

b_sharp Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:29:27am

re: #33 Dragon_Lady

Face palm! What is wrong with these people? Have the truly and honestly lost sight of what the United States of America was founded on? Every time I see something like this I wish I could defect. But to where? The world is a very scary place right now...*sigh*

Come to central Canada, we can put you to work in the salt mines.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:36:07am

re: #40 lawhawk

GOP Presidential Candidate Rick Santorum was claiming he was facing a jihad from gay rights groups for opposing his political positions on gay rights.

Never mind that what Santorum would like to do for gays is nothing short of a jihad itself...

Shut up, Rick
Image: Rick_santorum_leather.jpg

Dumb, stupid, socon bigot.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:40:02am

re: #33 Dragon_Lady

Have the truly and honestly lost sight of what the United States of America was founded on?

I don't see how Bryan Fischer is any different: whites first, males first, heteros first, Christian whackodoodles-must-rule, holler oppression if anyone has anything different to say about it.

Stupid aholes.

HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:49:01am

Small government and individual rights are only for straight people I guess. Really, aside from being stupid policy, does Fischer realize that it would be a complete waste of resources to crack down on gay sex. Oh, and thanks Charles for pointing out that he's not just some random nut with a soapbox- he's as put a guy with real influence in the GOP.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:59:05am

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

So, every part of Puritanism except the Puritan's respect for (mostly male) education (at that time it was thought women were less physically able to learn (though women were to be taught to read and write)). Throw in some racism and you've got Bryan Fischer.

Except that the Puritans were not nearly as batty about sex as Fischer, and as far as I can tell, they did not think that the Lord's message when one of them got mauled by a bear was 'exterminate bears'. That may have had something to do with the education part.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:00:31pm

re: #23 dragonfire1981

So to be clear: Two men living together are considered more threatening to Christian republican than a major corporation dumping industrial waste into a lake.

Well, to Bryan Fischer. I'm not sure he can be listed as just 'a Christian Republican'.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:01:04pm

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He's only going to read one book and the dictionary isn't it.

Except that is BS, because he reads all kinds of books--just not any that he might learn something NEW from.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:01:51pm

re: #42 JasonA

"OMG, these people I've compared to pedophiles are out to get me!"

It made them mad. You know how touchy these people are.

Ming Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:06:19pm

re: #17 Bulworth

Good point! To impose a Christian theocracy requires a big government. Very big. Very expensive. The current right-wing fantasy seems to be a government that does nothing for old people, nothing for people who need medical attention, nothing for disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes), but spends lots of money on wars abroad and cracking down on infidels at home.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:18:02pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, to Bryan Fischer. I'm not sure he can be listed as just 'a Christian Republican'.

None of them ever muzzle these people, so they allow them to represent them.

That, of course, is using the same logic they apply to Muslim whackodoodles.

Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 30, 2011 1:26:31pm

re: #47 Rightwingconspirator

Yet we expanded the founders stated principles to include GLBT people. I think that's the point.

We do not need to expand them to include any groups. What adults do in the pursuit of happiness is legal as long as it does not interfere in any other person's pursuit of same.

That should be clear as day to any American who understands that this country is founded on.

Amory Blaine Tue, Aug 30, 2011 2:01:28pm

re: #81 ralphieboy

We do not need to expand them to include any groups. What adults do in the pursuit of happiness is legal as long as it does not interfere in any other person's pursuit of same.

That should be clear as day to any American who understands that this country is founded on.

Right. It's not the principles that were expanded. It was the hateful bigots who were brought to heel.

Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 30, 2011 2:16:06pm

re: #82 Amory Blaine

Right. It's not the principles that were expanded. It was the hateful bigots who were brought to heel.

I remember having discussions with Russians in Moscow in the early 90's, ones that usually started out with them saying "So they've given us freedom of speech, what good does it do us?"

At which point I would try to clarify that nobody gave it to them, they were born with freedom of speech, it's just that their government had stopped jailing people for excercising it.

Stephen T. Tue, Aug 30, 2011 2:56:39pm

re: #21 EmmmieG

The chief functional problem with his idea is that it would have to be enforced.*

If the police have extra time to work on social stuff, I suggest that they use it to work on that whole child abuse problem, which doesn't seem to be diminishing any. I have recently read of two little girls (ages 4 and 5) who were literally beaten to death over a period of months.

*I'm just pointing out how non-functional his suggestion is.

"But the parent's right to punish their children for their transgressions is in the Bible, and the government has no business intruding in how I raise my kids."

An actual quote from a relative of mine who's child was taken by social after suffering from traumatic brain injury from "discipline".

Stephen T. Tue, Aug 30, 2011 3:02:01pm

re: #33 Dragon_Lady

I've seriously contemplated moving to the Netherlands. I've actually begun a savings account for the express purpose of using it to get out of the U.S. if I ever feel that I can no longer call it home.

Of course, I've not yet saved enough for a plane ticket, let along relocating to another country. I'll probably just end up using the money to go to Disney World instead.

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