Bill Nye Confuses Fox News Host with Science

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Fox News seems to have decided to make an effort to appear “fair and balanced” on the subject of climate change; lately they’ve been bringing Bill Nye (“The Science Guy”) out to argue in favor of reality (while the hosts laugh at him and ask idiotic questions).

Charles Payne really sums up the Fox News position at the end of this clip, when he says Nye is “confusing our viewers.” Of course it’s confusing when Bill Nye tells the Fox audience that climate science isn’t a huge hoax, because Fox spends the other 23 hours of every day telling them it is.

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1 Idle Drifter  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:20:00am

Bill Nye the Science Guy. I miss his show.

2 engineer cat  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:24:53am

so these computer models - what kind of pageants do they have to decide the winner?

3 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:28:16am

re: #2 engineer dog

so these computer models - what kind of pageants do they have to decide the winner?

Only pageants Sarah Palin would have felt comfortable entering.

/kidding

4 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:28:32am

Since when do Fox viewers care about facts?

5 Coracle  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:28:50am

Nye's problem on Fox is that he bends far to respect other people's intelligence when the people he's talking to have no such limitation.

6 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:29:00am

re: #2 engineer dog

so these computer models - what kind of pageants do they have to decide the winner?

Here's "Watson" in a nice two piece bathing suit designed by Badgley Mischka, isn't it lovely?

7 jaunte  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:29:31am

Charles Payne not interested in anything Bill Nye has to say on science topics except whether GW has an A in front.

8 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:30:26am

This is not news, it's tabloid propaganda. What a scandalous joke this segment was.

9 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:31:53am

re: #8 BigPapa

This is not news, it's tabloid propaganda. What a scandalous joke this segment was.

It was a set up so they could air the Al Gore clip, which is all the Fox viewers will take away from the exchange.

10 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:31:58am

Hurricane Irene = opportunity to bash Al Gore about the fauxtroversy of comparing denialists to racists.

Pathetic.

What is Bill Nye's deal? Must be the $.

11 jaunte  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:33:35am

"Confusing some of the viewers" who are confused by listening to a line of reasoning developed over more than three sentences.

12 recusancy  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:34:12am

re: #10 BigPapa

Hurricane Irene = opportunity to bash Al Gore about the fauxtroversy of comparing denialists to racists.

Pathetic.

What is Bill Nye's deal? Must be the $.

You're mad at Billy Nye over this?

13 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:35:30am

I like how Nye logically makes racism an unscientific position.

14 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:36:02am

It's becoming clear to me that they use Bill Nye as some nerdy caricature so they can throw fast attack antagonisms at a 'sciency type' and let him fuddle around answering them. Even though Nye actually does get some real points across he's contributing to the situation.

15 iossarian  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:37:39am

re: #12 recusancy

You're mad at Billy Nye over this?

I think it's a real ethical dilemma at the moment, whether or not reasonable people should appear on FN.

On the plus side they might, just might, bring a little sanity into an otherwise insane worldview.

On the minus side, they are lending credibility to a network that is actively undermining democracy in the USA.

16 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:37:59am

re: #14 BigPapa

It's becoming clear to me that they use Bill Nye as some nerdy caricature so they can throw fast attack antagonisms at a 'sciency type' and let him fuddle around answering them. Even though Nye actually does get some real points across he's contributing to the situation.

That at least true in part, but I don't blame Nye for going along. He got a few good points out there. He made Payne agree that he could not deny that the earth is warming. (Hey, it's a start.)

17 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:38:16am

re: #12 recusancy

You're mad at Billy Nye over this?

I'm not mad at him at all. Just curious, it just seems an odd combination. The segments I've seen are strange, to say the least.

18 iossarian  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:38:26am

re: #13 wrenchwench

I like how Nye logically makes racism an unscientific position.

Considering he more or less did it ad-hoc (or so it appears) it's even more impressive.

20 shades  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:39:11am

Love Bill Nye. Started watching him when the kids were home. Still borrow his DVDs from the library.

21 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:40:12am

re: #18 iossarian

Considering he more or less did it ad-hoc (or so it appears) it's even more impressive.

Yah I give him credit for that, despite Payne.

22 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:40:58am

Remember, this is the sort of idiocy that Bill Nye has had to contend with on a regular basis:

Bill Nye Booed In Texas For Saying The Moon Reflects The Sun

Bill Nye, the harmless children’s edu-tainer known as “The Science Guy,” managed to offend a select group of adults in Waco, Texas at a presentation, when he suggested that the moon does not emit light, but instead reflects the light of the sun.

As even most elementary-school graduates know, the moon reflects the light of the sun but produces no light of its own.

But don’t tell that to the good people of Waco, who were “visibly angered by what some perceived as irreverence,” according to the Waco Tribune.

Nye was in town to participate in McLennan Community College’s Distinguished Lecture Series. He gave two lectures on such unfunny and adult topics as global warming, Mars exploration, and energy consumption.

But nothing got people as riled as when he brought up Genesis 1:16, which reads: “God made two great lights — the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.”

The lesser light, he pointed out, is not a light at all, but only a reflector.

At this point, several people in the audience stormed out in fury. One woman yelled “We believe in God!” and left with three children, thus ensuring that people across America would read about the incident and conclude that Waco is as nutty as they’d always suspected.

This story originally appeared in the Waco Tribune, but the newspaper has mysteriously pulled its story from the online version, presumably to avoid further embarrassment.

23 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:41:54am

re: #22 RadicalModerate

Remember, this is the sort of idiocy that Bill Nye has had to contend with on a regular basis:

Bill Nye Booed In Texas For Saying The Moon Reflects The Sun

Is Jesus *ever* going to come back and take these idiots away to where they belong?

24 iossarian  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:43:01am

re: #22 RadicalModerate

WTF? There are people who believe that the moon emits light?

Wow.

25 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:44:24am

I've always liked Bill Nye. He made some parts of science that would have otherwise been boring into interesting and entertaining subject. I think my chemistry teacher who was my favorite science teacher ever was influenced by Bill and Bill's sense of humor. Sucks that he got booed for stating the facts.

26 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:44:55am

re: #24 iossarian

WTF? There are people who believe that the moon emits light?

Wow.

Fing unreal. Then they wonder why we talk down to them.

Dumb bigots.

27 engineer cat  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:48:16am

At this point, several people in the audience stormed out in fury.

but the moon shines for all!

28 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:49:49am

re: #22 RadicalModerate

Remember, this is the sort of idiocy that Bill Nye has had to contend with on a regular basis:

Bill Nye Booed In Texas For Saying The Moon Reflects The Sun

Sooo... how does the Holiest of Holy books explain the moon's phases?

29 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:49:55am

re: #26 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Fing unreal. Then they wonder why we talk down to them.

Dumb bigots.

Not for nothing do we call them lunatics.

30 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:50:13am

re: #27 engineer dog

At this point, several people in the audience stormed out in fury.

but the moon shines for all!

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31 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:50:26am

Full disclosure (which I have disclosed before, but once more for the new kids): I met Bill Nye once, very briefly, at a bicycle event in Seattle in about 1992. He was coming towards me in an aisle, and I said, "Hey, it's Bill Nye the Science Guy!" He said, almost crossly, "I am also a cyclist."

32 darthstar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:51:21am

re: #22 RadicalModerate

Remember, this is the sort of idiocy that Bill Nye has had to contend with on a regular basis:

Bill Nye Booed In Texas For Saying The Moon Reflects The Sun

The moon isn't lit from within?

33 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:52:06am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Since when do Fox viewers care about facts?

They've always cared about facts, but they want those facts to be their creation, not a liberal creation. It doesn't dawn on them that the facts are not a human creation but a creation of our physical world, and the physical world doesn't give a shit about what Fox viewers want.

34 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:52:15am

My point with Nye is that he's a sheep going in a shark's tank. My only point of issue with him is, doesn't he know that? Maybe he does but still think he's helping by talking science and educating.

News segment guests need to talk fast and and be pretty adept at understand Current Memes and such. Nye doesn't strike me as that type. I think he's too nice a guy and gives people the benefit of the doubt when they don't deserve it. He does great as 'The Science Guy' with his own audience and it's clear he enjoys playing that role. Doing 120 sec segments in news hours with fast talking hosts, not his strong point, although he does OK.

I think Fox understands this and tries to exploit it.

35 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:52:23am

So, when in the past did Thomas Dolby blind these people to reality?

36 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:54:07am

re: #22 RadicalModerate

Remember, this is the sort of idiocy that Bill Nye has had to contend with on a regular basis:

Bill Nye Booed In Texas For Saying The Moon Reflects The Sun

[facepalm]

37 darthstar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:54:36am

re: #22 RadicalModerate

Looks like it happened in 2006. Today he'd simply get shot for saying such a thing to teabaggers.

38 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:55:49am

re: #10 BigPapa

Hurricane Irene = opportunity to bash Al Gore about the fauxtroversy of comparing denialists to racists.

Pathetic.

What is Bill Nye's deal? Must be the $.

I think Bill assumed appearing on Fox was an opportunity to re-educate denialists. The shocked look we've frequently seen on his face is his realization they don't want a re-education, they want facts that confirm what they already know.

39 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:56:03am

re: #32 darthstar

The moon isn't lit from within?

How would the light get through the cheese?

Silly.

40 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:56:06am

re: #37 darthstar

Looks like it happened in 2006. Today he'd simply get shot for saying such a thing to teabaggers.

He's just lucky he didn't tell them that the earth revolves around the sun.

41 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:56:41am

re: #13 wrenchwench

I like how Nye logically makes racism an unscientific position.

He's just stating a (liberal biased) fact.

42 iossarian  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:57:05am

re: #38 b_sharp

I think Bill assumed appearing on Fox was an opportunity to re-educate denialists. The shocked look we've frequently seen on his face is his realization they don't want a re-education, they want facts that confirm what they already know.

Oh, I think he already knew that going in, after all, he's a smart guy.

I think the shocked look is just: "Wow - you can have a white collar job and be that stupid."

43 darthstar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:57:06am

re: #24 iossarian

WTF? There are people who believe that the moon emits light?

Wow.

How can the moon reflect the sun if the moon only comes out at night...AFTER THE SUN SETS! The sun's not even around to shine its light on the moon. Sheesh.

44 darthstar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:57:32am

re: #39 wrenchwench

How would the light get through the cheese?

Silly.

Holes, dummy. The moon is made of Swiss cheese.

45 iossarian  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:57:58am

re: #43 darthstar

How can the moon reflect the sun if the moon only comes out at night...AFTER THE SUN SETS! The sun's not even around to shine its light on the moon. Sheesh.

It's like those glow-in-the-dark pictures, innit.

/

46 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:58:16am

re: #44 darthstar

Holes, dummy. The moon is made of Swiss cheese.

Frikking Euro-trash celestial bodies...

47 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:58:42am

re: #23 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Is Jesus *ever* going to come back and take these idiots away to where they belong?

It's in his calendar, but he keeps finding excuses to reschedule.

48 darthstar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:58:44am

re: #45 iossarian

It's like those glow-in-the-dark pictures, innit.

/

The moon's not velvet...is it?

49 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:58:45am

re: #44 darthstar

Holes, dummy. The moon is made of Swiss cheese.

Wow, so the Swiss were the first to get to the moon?! WE WEREN'T FIRST?!1!!ELEVENTY-ONE!

50 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:59:33am

re: #24 iossarian

WTF? There are people who believe that the moon emits light?

Wow.

Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, duummbb.

51 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:59:35am

I did know a girl whose education was somewhat spotty who thought the sun and the moon were the same object until she noticed them both out at the same time one day. She was 13.

52 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:59:37am

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Frikking Euro-trash celestial bodies...

No, it would be made of gruyere if it was a Euro-trash celestial body.

53 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 11:59:56am

Here's some of that "judicial activism" that Governor Perry and his so-con pals despise:

Texas judge tosses creationists' plan for science degrees

Judge tosses creationists' effort to offer master's degrees

A federal judge has thrown out a lawsuit by a creationism think tank and school that attempted to force the state of Texas to allow it to offer master's degrees in science education.

In 2008, the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board rejected the Dallas-based Institute for Creation Research's application to offer master's degrees, which taught science from a biblical perspective. The institute's graduate school sued in 2009, claiming the board violated its constitutional right to free speech and religion.

U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks of Austin found no merit in the institute's claims and criticized its legal documents as "overly verbose, disjointed, incoherent, maundering and full of irrelevant information."

In an e-mailed statement, school representatives said they were reviewing the decision and may appeal.

54 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:00:00pm

I recall a spoof filmstrip on the Simpsons from the 1950's that spoofed that attitude kind of well. It was about the moon and the voiceover guy is like the "moon is made for America."

55 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:00:16pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel

Not for nothing do we call them lunatics.

Good one.

56 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:01:28pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

Full disclosure (which I have disclosed before, but once more for the new kids): I met Bill Nye once, very briefly, at a bicycle event in Seattle in about 1992. He was coming towards me in an aisle, and I said, "Hey, it's Bill Nye the Science Guy!" He said, almost crossly, "I am also a cyclist."

I'm not a cyclist, but a re-cyclist.

57 Kragar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:01:38pm

House Republican Bill Cuts Hurricane Monitoring Funds That Help Save Millions Of Dollars

The cuts passed by the Appropriations Committee would take funding for these flights down from $29 million to $17 million, despite the fact that the flights help save a substantial amount of money.

Due to data from the hurricane monitoring flights, forecasts are 30 percent more accurate. Since it costs $1 million per coastal mile for evacuation and preparation when a storm approaches, every mile that is not evacuated yields substantial savings for taxpayers. Estimates put the savings due to monitoring flights at $100-$150 million per storm, far outstripping the $29 million budget dedicated to the hurricane hunters.

58 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:01:47pm

re: #50 b_sharp

Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, duummbb.

They're all vampires. They don't understand the concept of mirrors.
(Yes, they're horribly incompetent vampires.)

59 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:02:33pm

re: #44 darthstar

Who do you think you are? Of course it's made out of cheese. A very nice Wensleydale I'm sure. /Wallace

60 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:02:43pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

House Republican Bill Cuts Hurricane Monitoring Funds That Help Save Millions Of Dollars

Because the best thing to do after a hurricane is to cut programs that monitor them. Genius! What will they think of next.

61 darthstar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:03:15pm

So Fox brings on a children's edu-teacher-tainer who specializes in explaining science to people who still wet their beds at night, and Fox says that he's "confusing their audience?" If I ran the Depends company, I'd be advertising exclusively on Fox.

62 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:03:23pm

re: #59 lawhawk

Auto-Gromit-upding.

63 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:04:30pm

re: #61 darthstar

So Fox brings on a children's edu-teacher-tainer who specializes in explaining science to people who still wet their beds at night, and Fox says that he's "confusing their audience?" If I ran the Depends company, I'd be advertising exclusively on Fox.

Chuck E. Cheese :). Where a wingnut can be a kid.

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:04:42pm

At the same time, you've got this, with the guy who does Stewie's voice on Family Guy doing the ads.

[Link: www.fox.com...]

65 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:04:43pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Because the best thing to do after a hurricane is to cut programs that monitor them. Genius! What will they think of next.

It's part of the "Pay them no mind and they'll leave us alone!" theory.

66 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:04:57pm

re: #53 RadicalModerate

Here's some of that "judicial activism" that Governor Perry and his so-con pals despise:

Texas judge tosses creationists' plan for science degrees

It would be fun to see that case make the Supreme Court. We'd get to read about a creationist lawyer getting his arguments shredded by Justices Scalia and Kagan, followed by the Supreme Court justices laughing themselves silly when he pulls his "Help, Help, I'm being repressed!" routine. Comedy gold.

67 darthstar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:05:04pm

re: #59 lawhawk

Who do you think you are? Of course it's made out of cheese. A very nice Wensleydale I'm sure. /Wallace

Every morning, when I give my wife her tea in bed, I say, "Tea, Gromit."

And I loved that cartoon about their grand day out.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:05:37pm

re: #11 jaunte

"Confusing some of the viewers" who are confused by listening to a line of reasoning developed over more than three sentences.

Bill Nye the Science Guy is not hard to follow.

69 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:05:50pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

House Republican Bill Cuts Hurricane Monitoring Funds That Help Save Millions Of Dollars

So, what do we do after a bad hurricane? Why, we dismantle the government agencies and programs that prevented massive loss of life! Then, when the next storm comes and hundreds are killed because they weren't told to evacuate until the storm was right on their doorstep, we'll blame the government for doing nothing! Genius!

///

70 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:05:51pm

re: #65 JasonA

It's part of the "Pay them no mind and they'll leave us alone!" theory.

So, the GOP is the best market to sell these peril-proof sunglasses...

71 darthstar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:05:56pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

Bill Nye the Science Guy is not hard to follow.

And Fox News is hard to swallow.

72 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:05:59pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

You have more faith in Scalia than I do.

73 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:06:33pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

Full disclosure (which I have disclosed before, but once more for the new kids): I met Bill Nye once, very briefly, at a bicycle event in Seattle in about 1992. He was coming towards me in an aisle, and I said, "Hey, it's Bill Nye the Science Guy!" He said, almost crossly, "I am also a cyclist."

A little over ten years ago Bill walked into Gregg's and brought his touring bike up to my parts counter, I helped him, it was awesome.

74 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:06:34pm

re: #69 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, what do we do after a bad hurricane? Why, we dismantle the government agencies and programs that prevented massive loss of life! Then, when the next storm comes and hundreds are killed because they weren't told to evacuate until the storm was right on their doorstep, we'll blame the government for doing nothing! Genius!

///

Pretty much what would happen, yes.

75 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:06:48pm

re: #43 darthstar

How can the moon reflect the sun if the moon only comes out at night...AFTER THE SUN SETS! The sun's not even around to shine its light on the moon. Sheesh.

I never thought of that. No, really! The thought never entered my brain.

76 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:07:29pm

re: #69 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, what do we do after a bad hurricane? Why, we dismantle the government agencies and programs that prevented massive loss of life! Then, when the next storm comes and hundreds are killed because they weren't told to evacuate until the storm was right on their doorstep, we'll blame the government for doing nothing! Genius!

///

There is a disturbing consistency to that logic if one's goal was to shrink government without regard to consequences and human lives outside those affecting your special "in" group.

77 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:08:17pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

A little over ten years ago Bill walked into Gregg's and brought his touring bike up to my parts counter, I helped him, it was awesome.

You topped me! I bet he bought the parts and took them home to do the work himself. Right?

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:08:19pm

re: #40 JasonA

He's just lucky he didn't tell them that the earth revolves around the sun.

Someone had a page on that a few days ago. Apparently a few of the SSPX types are experimenting with geocentrism.

The head of the Vatican's astronomy department, reached for comment, said, "Huh? Is this a joke?" (In Italian, of course.)

79 darthstar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:08:31pm

re: #72 JasonA

You have more faith in Scalia than I do.

I like D_F, but he actually believes Republicans like Cantor are acting in good faith on the economy.

80 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:08:53pm

I can understand not understanding science but I cannot understand the willful ignorance that goes into it. BTW the nutjobs would have blown a gasket at the opening lecture for my modern American lit class. Professor talked a bit about evolution and how we evolved speech. Was an interesting way of looking at it. Read the first short story we had to read after lunch as well, The Swimmer by John Cheevor. Found that surreal and fascinating.

81 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:09:15pm

re: #72 JasonA

You have more faith in Scalia than I do.

I think he'd look at the case and decide it the same way as the circuit court judge. If that case makes it to the Supreme Court, judge Sparks' decision will be upheld 9-0.

82 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:09:20pm

re: #79 darthstar

I like D_F, but he actually believes Republicans like Cantor are acting in good faith on the economy.

JasonA cannot be reached for further comment.

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:09:21pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

I did know a girl whose education was somewhat spotty who thought the sun and the moon were the same object until she noticed them both out at the same time one day. She was 13.

But at least she was able to revise her original idea based on observation--there are some folks who are opposed to that.

84 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:10:28pm

BBL. Drive time.

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:10:41pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

But at least she was able to revise her original idea based on observation--there are some folks who are opposed to that.

That's because the moon she saw was a false-flag operation by anti-geocentric elements with the specific goal of corrupting the youth of America!
//

86 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:11:32pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

It would be fun to see that case make the Supreme Court. We'd get to read about a creationist lawyer getting his arguments shredded by Justices Scalia and Kagan, followed by the Supreme Court justices laughing themselves silly when he pulls his "Help, Help, I'm being repressed!" routine. Comedy gold.

Given that Scalia has stated that he would have dissented on Brown v Board of Education, I really doubt that he would have given too much grief to the creationists.

87 darthstar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:11:46pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

I think he'd look at the case and decide it the same way as the circuit court judge. If that case makes it to the Supreme Court, judge Sparks' decision will be upheld 9-0.

5-4 wouldn't surprise me.

88 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:13:10pm

re: #86 RadicalModerate

Given that Scalia has stated that he would have dissented on Brown v Board of Education, I really doubt that he would have given too much grief to the creationists.

Yep, and his position on Lawrence Vs Texas was hardly the act of a strict constructionist IMO either. I hope he does but I don't have the faith in Scalia that DF does. Of course, I am not positively inclined to Scalia's judicial philosophy at all.

89 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:14:43pm

re: #87 darthstar

5-4 wouldn't surprise me.

I suspect that it will be shredded partially due to the fact that it is a non-professional mess of a presentation. And being presented with that might be considered an insult by some of the Justices.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:16:21pm

Meanwhile, Newser informs us that Jewish voters think Michelle Bachmann is Jewish.

I call shenanigans. This article posits a significant number of Jewish voters who are:

a. Fed up with Obama
b. Ready to make campaign contributions to a Republican campaign
c. Too stupid to actually learn anything about the candidates
d. Unaware of Bachmann's high-profile promotion of her Christian beliefs
e. Figuring that anyone with a German name is Ashkenazi

Yeah, I don't buy it. The source is the NY Post, and the actual purpose of this is to repeat the evergreen hopeful BS that Jews will abandon the Democrats in hordes, this time for total real, and that years of work creating Obama's "Israel problem" in people's minds will pay off.

91 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:17:52pm

re: #86 RadicalModerate

Given that Scalia has stated that he would have dissented on Brown v Board of Education, I really doubt that he would have given too much grief to the creationists.

I disagree. The plaintiff didn't even bother to make a coherent argument and it's hard to read freedom of speech to mean the right to hand out academic credentials based on lessons regarded as false by the relevant academic community. Further, this particular creationist filed suit against the state, so the rights of the state Texas aren't being represented by him. Scalia would have no trouble booting this clown's case, and his ruling would be scathing.

92 recusancy  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:18:18pm

What right wing violence? Shots Fired at Congressman Gene Green’s Office

93 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:18:38pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I don't buy it. The source is the NY Post, and the actual purpose of this is to repeat the evergreen hopeful BS that Jews will abandon the Democrats in hordes, this time for total real, and that years of work creating Obama's "Israel problem" in people's minds will pay off.

Agreed. I saw that one making the rounds on wingnut sites and never even bothered looking into it. Just the title alone implies that Jews are too stupid to vote.

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:19:00pm

re: #92 recusancy

What right wing violence? Shots Fired at Congressman Gene Green’s Office

That's never good.

95 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:19:20pm

re: #92 recusancy

What right wing violence? Shots Fired at Congressman Gene Green’s Office

Fucktards

96 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:20:17pm

re: #89 oaktree

Putting the cart before the hourse in any event. All this talk of how the S.Ct. would vote on this issue ignores a couple procedural issues for the creationists. There isn't a dispute among multiple circuits so the Court may well simply deny certiorari if the creationists do attempt an appeal to the Supremes. Denying cert would affirm the case at the Court of Appeals level (which is a defeat for the creationists).

Throw in the documentary mess and other issues that the appeals court slammed the creationists for, and this is a case that isn't likely to be accepted under the rule of 4 by the court.

97 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:21:56pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

Meanwhile, Newser informs us that Jewish voters think Michelle Bachmann is Jewish.

I call shenanigans. This article posits a significant number of Jewish voters who are:

a. Fed up with Obama
b. Ready to make campaign contributions to a Republican campaign
c. Too stupid to actually learn anything about the candidates
d. Unaware of Bachmann's high-profile promotion of her Christian beliefs
e. Figuring that anyone with a German name is Ashkenazi

Yeah, I don't buy it. The source is the NY Post, and the actual purpose of this is to repeat the evergreen hopeful BS that Jews will abandon the Democrats in hordes, this time for total real, and that years of work creating Obama's "Israel problem" in people's minds will pay off.

I paged it here. I find it hard to believe that anybody that freaking stupid could make enough money to be a significant donor to a political campaign.

98 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:22:45pm

Dang already 2 wildfires in Oklahoma today.. It is hot and bone dry here

99 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:22:48pm

re: #96 lawhawk

Putting the cart before the hourse in any event. All this talk of how the S.Ct. would vote on this issue ignores a couple procedural issues for the creationists. There isn't a dispute among multiple circuits so the Court may well simply deny certiorari if the creationists do attempt an appeal to the Supremes. Denying cert would affirm the case at the Court of Appeals level (which is a defeat for the creationists).

Throw in the documentary mess and other issues that the appeals court slammed the creationists for, and this is a case that isn't likely to be accepted under the rule of 4 by the court.

I know. I was just pointing out this of a wingnut fail will stay overruled.

100 elizajane  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:22:48pm

re: #22 RadicalModerate

Remember, this is the sort of idiocy that Bill Nye has had to contend with on a regular basis:

Bill Nye Booed In Texas For Saying The Moon Reflects The Sun

After I read this I had to go lie down for a little while because my brain had exploded.

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:22:49pm

re: #96 lawhawk

True. Unlikely to get that far for just that reason. And the Court has too big of a potential docket to take this one on just for laughs. No particular wider legal point to be made with addressing it either.

102 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:23:22pm

Really Glenn? REALLY?

Glenn Beck: "Why Are We Made To Feel Bad" For Using The Word "Colored"?

103 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:24:48pm

re: #102 RadicalModerate

Really Glenn? REALLY?

Glenn Beck: "Why Are We Made To Feel Bad" For Using The Word "Colored"?

"How come they call themselves the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People"?

104 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:25:37pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

I know. I was just pointing out this dog of a wingnut fail will stay overruled.

PIMF

105 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:25:53pm

re: #102 RadicalModerate

Really Glenn? REALLY?

Glenn Beck: "Why Are We Made To Feel Bad" For Using The Word "Colored"?

I know, Glenn, why can't we enslave them against their will too? It's a hard knock life for us. Seriously, what a dickhead.

106 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:27:14pm

re: #79 darthstar

I like D_F, but he actually believes Republicans like Cantor are acting in good faith on the economy.

I like him too, but he has some really stupid ideas. He already knows they're stupid, but hangs onto them, anyway.

107 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:32:21pm

re: #106 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I like him too, but he has some really stupid ideas. He already knows they're stupid, but hangs onto them, anyway.

I disagree with D_F on more than a few things, but at least he tries to argue his points honestly, and I do respect him for doing that.

Unlike a couple of other semi-regular posters here who, in my opinion only spout the latest FoxNation "talking points", which serves no legitimate purpose other than trolling the rest of us who want to hold an intelligent conversation.

108 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:33:36pm

re: #102 RadicalModerate

Really Glenn? REALLY?

Glenn Beck: "Why Are We Made To Feel Bad" For Using The Word "Colored"?

There are people in white hoods who would like an answer to that too.

109 William of Orange  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:38:16pm

Was that confusing?...

110 darthstar  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:45:03pm

re: #98 HoosierHoops

Dang already 2 wildfires in Oklahoma today.. It is hot and bone dry here

Wow...Prayer works! Sorry...I was just testing to see if god listened. I'll stop now.

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:45:55pm

re: #102 RadicalModerate

Really Glenn? REALLY?

Glenn Beck: "Why Are We Made To Feel Bad" For Using The Word "Colored"?

First comment over there: Because "colored people" are offended by it, you horrible, horrible person.

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:47:46pm

re: #102 RadicalModerate

Really Glenn? REALLY?

Glenn Beck: "Why Are We Made To Feel Bad" For Using The Word "Colored"?

Seriously, though, I don't think anyone would make you feel 'bad' for using 'colored'--I assume he means people, rather than copy paper--they would just look at you as though you were a time traveler. Beck's only ten years older than I am. WTF?

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:48:14pm

re: #103 Alouette

Because it was founded in 1909.

114 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:49:20pm

re: #107 RadicalModerate

I disagree with D_F on more than a few things, but at least he tries to argue his points honestly, and I do respect him for doing that.

Unlike a couple of other semi-regular posters here who, in my opinion only spout the latest FoxNation "talking points", which serves no legitimate purpose other than trolling the rest of us who want to hold an intelligent conversation.

Whatever...most people argue points honestly. Nobody gets extra points for honestly arguing disreputable ideas like "I have a stronger reaction to a store being looted by blacks than whites" and "that's just the social reality". I can literally read that level of honesty on Stormfront.

115 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:53:39pm

re: #102 RadicalModerate

Really Glenn? REALLY?

Glenn Beck: "Why Are We Made To Feel Bad" For Using The Word "Colored"?

Lol you sound surprised.

Glenn Beck has never hidden who/what he is.

116 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 5:37:45pm
Nye: If someone from New England has sex with someone from Papua New Guinea you get a human.

Unfortunately a disturbingly large portion Fox news viewers probably don't even believe that. Nice try Mr. Nye but this is a sisyphean task.

117 Pythagoras  Tue, Aug 30, 2011 6:03:29pm

I don't know how much this matters but that's not Fox News; it's the Fox Business Network.

118 Genshed  Wed, Aug 31, 2011 9:24:45am

One subtle bit I almost missed:
"Do you like doggies?"
"Love 'em."
"If you have a dachsund, and it has sex. . ."
[gasp]
"with a pit bull, you're going to get a dog."

First, Nye makes a point of saying 'doggies', as if he
were speaking to an elementary school class - then he
uses the 'S' word! On TELEVISION! Nice one, Mr. Nye.


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