Cain Blames Drop in Support on 'Confusion'

Cain Blames Drop in Support on ‘Confusion’

Those brainwashed voters

WingnutsNovember 2011 • Views: 26,993

I have to agree with Herman Cain that one of the big reasons for his plummeting popularity is “confusion.”

Oh… wait. He meant other people’s confusion.

“Obviously false accusations and confusion about some of my positions has contributed to it,” Cain said on CNN’s “State of the Union” when asked by host Candy Crowley about his campaign’s flagging poll numbers.

Cain said criticism over his position on abortion and foreign policy matters was fueled largely by comments that were taken out of context, leading to voter confusion.

“Some people are heavily influenced by perception more so than reality,” Cain said.

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233 comments

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:34:41pm

Herman Cain and confusion…go together like pineapple and ham on a pizza…

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:36:46pm

off to the talk radio zone with you, Cain, say hi to G Gordon Liddy for us

Alexzander Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:38:11pm

The big primary election news today is the endorsement of Gingrich by the New Hampshire Union Leader newspaper.

Intrade has been crazy this week.

Romney drops below 60 percent for the first time in weeks.
Gingrich is over 20 percent!!!!
Huntman and Ron Paul are both at 6 percent.
Cain around 3, while hilarious old Perry cannot even reach 2 percent.

windsagio Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:38:22pm

he should have said ‘communism’, it would have been more effective.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:39:57pm

Any argument in American politics which begins with “What a pity the American people aren’t rational and intellectual enough to see how smart I really am,” is doomed.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:44:35pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

“And it’s not surprising then that they get bitter…”

_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:44:50pm

sometimes perception IS reality. in Cain’s case, he disqualified himself from serious consideration when he made a stupid comment about Uzbeki beki bekistan. I considered him a buffoon from that moment on.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:45:52pm

re: #7 _RememberTonyC

Please! It’s Uzbeki beki bekistan stan!

Charles Johnson Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:46:26pm

Youtube Video

_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:48:24pm

re: #9 Charles

[Video]

that’s what I’m talkin’ talkin’ talkin’ a bout bout bout

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:48:43pm

“Some people are heavily influenced by perception more so than reality,” Cain said.

Good example is climate denial. Where does Cain stand on that? Oh…

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:48:51pm

It is that incredible leap of GOP faith that just because someone has poll numbers in double digits that they warrant being taken seriously despite their glaringly obvious lack of intellect or experience…

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:50:30pm

“Romney rocks!”

FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:50:54pm

I’m reposting this Pages Post from downstairs. It’s a good rip from the New Yorker on the GOP—author even goes after Fox News.

Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:51:22pm

re: #9 Charles

Lame video edit trick. Went to YouTube and downdinged it.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:51:38pm

re: #13 WindUpBird

“Romney rocks!”

He also raps:

Youtube Video

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:52:09pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Lame video edit trick. Went to YouTube and downdinged it.

C’mon. It’s a literal joke.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:53:02pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Lame video edit trick. Went to YouTube and downdinged it.

It’s hardly a trick when the edit is plainly obious. Might as well accuse this guy of tricking the public into believing that the GOP consist of actual, professional circus clowns: [Link: www.flickr.com…]

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:53:32pm

re: #18 000G

Not a trick when it’s true!/

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:53:49pm

re: #12 ralphieboy

It is that incredible leap of GOP faith that just because someone has poll numbers in double digits that they warrant being taken seriously despite their glaringly obvious lack of intellect or experience…

President as Piñata

Then again, Republicans face a similar enthusiasm gap with their likely nominee, Mitt Romney. (Republicans keep searching for any other candidate who they think would be electable, when they already have one: Jon Huntsman. They just don’t like him.)

Earlier this month, I asked Bill Clinton — who has a better intuitive feel for politics than anyone I know — about Obama’s chances for re-election. “I’ll be surprised if he’s not re-elected,” Clinton said, adding that Obama would do better when matched against a specific opponent like Romney.

Clinton said that Romney did “a very good job” as governor of Massachusetts and would be a credible general election candidate. But Clinton added that Romney or any Republican nominee would be hampered by “a political environment in the Republican primary that basically means you can’t be authentic unless you’ve got a single-digit I.Q.”

jaunte Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:54:18pm

Youtube Video

Targetpractice Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:55:08pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

Any argument in American politics which begins with “What a pity the American people aren’t rational and intellectual enough to see how smart I really am,” is doomed.

It’s especially bad when the argument is made by one who is so evidently an intellectual lightweight. Cain may be a successful businessman, but as an aspiring politician, he’s an absolute joke.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:55:44pm

re: #19 Sergey Romanov

Not a trick when it’s true!/

“You thought it was a joke but it was only funny because it’s true!”

That’s comedy jujutsu.

bratwurst Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:55:56pm

re: #2 WindUpBird

off to the talk radio zone with you, Cain, say hi to G Gordon Liddy for us

That is probably about the level he will be at…just above the alliterative bottom feeders, Lars Larson and Hugh Hewitt.

Achilles Tang Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:56:00pm

“Some people are heavily influenced by perception more so than reality,” Cain said.

Right, and there is no reality other than 999.

bratwurst Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:57:34pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Lame video edit trick. Went to YouTube and downdinged it.

Yes, because his idiocy there deserves FAR MORE respect than that?

Shessh.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:57:54pm

Just a silly question: is the record amount of money spent of the Black Friday an indicator of anything, economy-wise?

windsagio Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:58:02pm

re: #24 bratwurst

Lars is local to PDX, we can have 7 hours of him a day if we want to!

Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:58:35pm

re: #18 000G

It’s hardly a trick when the edit is plainly obious. Might as well accuse this guy of tricking the public into believing that the GOP consist of actual, professional circus clowns: [Link: www.flickr.com…]

I know its obvious. Replace ‘trick’ with ‘gimmick’ if needed.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:58:45pm

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

Just a silly question: is the record amount of money spent of the Black Friday an indicator of anything, economy-wise?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…] (see also comments)

windsagio Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:58:49pm

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

It’s usually considered a good sign, hard to tell how much though.

aagcobb Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:59:04pm

“Some people are heavily influenced by perception more so than reality,” Cain said.

For example, when Cain was afeerd because his doctor had a furrin name.

FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:59:04pm

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

Just a silly question: is the record amount of money spent of the Black Friday an indicator of anything, economy-wise?

boredom or desperation.

considering the in-store crime events, I’d say a false-perception of desperation.

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:59:14pm

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

Just a silly question: is the record amount of money spent of the Black Friday an indicator of anything, economy-wise?

I think it can be spun any way they want: if the numbers are low then it will read : “consumers are holding out for big last-minute bargains”

Alexzander Sun, Nov 27, 2011 12:59:17pm

re: #27 Sergey Romanov

Just a silly question: is the record amount of money spent of the Black Friday an indicator of anything, economy-wise?

At the very least it is indicative of something culturally.

Alexzander Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:00:01pm

re: #31 windsagio

It’s usually considered a good sign, hard to tell how much though.

Could go either way.

If people have been holding off of spending much longer than usual in anticipation due to economic desperation, it could be read as a negative sign.

ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:00:04pm

Syria’s issues are beginning to spill over into Lebanon:

AJELive AJELive
A teenager dies in #Lebanon after a row between pro and anti #Syrian partisans. Check #AJELive for more details aje.me/svKfI7

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:00:15pm

re: #33 ggt

“Must get that atomic clock for $30 before Europe collapses!”

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:00:54pm

re: #32 aagcobb

“Some people are heavily influenced by perception more so than reality,” Cain said.

For example, when Cain was afeerd because his doctor had a furrin name.

Tapping into that valuable Republican afraid-of-the-scheming-muslim-health-care-professionals demo

Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:01:10pm

Strategy Page’s take on the NATO airstrike on Pakistani troops:

November 26, 2011: On the Afghan border, NATO aircraft and helicopter gunships attacked two Pakistani border posts, killing 28 Pakistani troops and border guards. Exactly what happened is still unclear, but the Pakistani military media machine promptly declared it to be a NATO attack on Pakistan. This forced the Pakistani government to close the two main supply routes carrying NATO supplies to Afghanistan and order the U.S. to leave a Pakistani air base. All this has happened before, and eventually the supply routes are reopened. That’s because moving NATO supplies is a big business in Pakistan, and much of that business is at risk. That is because of delays and thefts, which have caused most of that traffic to move to Central Asia. Eventually, nearly all the supplies will come in from the north. The more Pakistan messes with that traffic, the faster they will lose what trucking business they still have from NATO. Pakistan has ordered the U.S. out of those airbases in the past, but nothing ever happens. Nevertheless, the U.S. has been moving UAV operations to Afghanistan anyway. The Pakistanis cannot be trusted, especially along the border. Since the border guards and paramilitary police in the tribal territory are recruited from the tribes, the Taliban can also recruit, bribe or coerce these troops to fire on NATO and Afghan forces. Border patrol bases are often used for this, and NATO air strikes and artillery will be used to support the NATO and Afghan ground troops that are under attack. Since Pakistan officially denies that their paramilitary forces often work for the Taliban, they declare that the casualties from NATO forces defending themselves are “unprovoked attacks on Pakistan.” That fiction works for a while in the Pakistani media, but most Pakistanis know better.

Winny Spencer Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:02:46pm

re: #13 WindUpBird

“Romney rocks!”

Love it.

Alexzander Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:02:49pm

Black Friday is the quintessential American Consumerism holiday; way ahead of Christmas, Valentines Day and the others.

Orgiastic and often violent spending for oneself, literally the day after thanksgiving. Couldn’t come up with better satire.

Obdicut Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:03:16pm

re: #13 WindUpBird

“Romney rocks!”

Why is he back-to-back with the devil in that picture?

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:03:34pm

re: #41 Winny Spencer

Love it.

Nothing’s more rock and roll than an oligarchy

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:04:27pm

re: #44 WindUpBird

Nothing’s more rock and roll than an oligarchy

He’s not an oligarch, he’s an oligarh.

blueraven Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:05:10pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Lame video edit trick. Went to YouTube and downdinged it.

Did you downding the ad that Romney made, that had Obama saying he couldn’t talk about the economy or he would lose?

This Cain video was an exaggeration and a joke, as anyone can clearly see. The Romney ad is a deception made by someone running for President.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:05:18pm

Google Image search for “Romney Rocks” yields strange results…

sagehen Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:06:31pm

Youtube Video

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:06:53pm

re: #46 blueraven

Yeah, I would like to hear that too, given DF’s criticisms of Grayson’s ad (which I share).

FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:07:24pm

re: #38 000G

“Must get that atomic clock for $30 before Europe collapses!”

“I may not be able to get it after the Rapture.”

/:0

Skeetghazi Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:07:30pm

O/T but SFZ, you may find this article about Boaz Mazor interesting. Scroll down to read about the portrait of the king of Persia.

[Link: www.newyorksocialdiary.com…]

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:07:55pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

lol romney

blueraven Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:08:33pm

re: #49 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, I would like to hear that too, given DF’s criticisms of Grayson’s ad (which I share).

Ditto on Grayson! Ugh.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:08:38pm

Start humanity.exe

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:08:50pm

re: #32 aagcobb

“Some people are heavily influenced by perception more so than reality,” Cain said.

For example, when Cain was afeerd because his doctor had a furrin name.

My mother thinks that poor Dr. Abdullah isn’t a Christian at all, the nurse was just messing with Cain.

Which means, of course, that Cain now has Muslim Doctor Cooties.

Assuming Dr. Abdullah exists at all.

Maybe Dr. Abdullah and the seven-foot doctor who has to get permission from the IRS to treat his patients are the same person!

(I don’t like bigots. That whole episode really, really, pissed me off. I like it even less that you can apparently say crap like this in public while running for president now.)

Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:09:11pm

re: #37 ProLifeLiberal

Syria’s issues are beginning to spill over into Lebanon:

did you see my post on the previous thread?

FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:09:30pm

re: #51 Stanley Sea

O/T but SFZ, you may find this article about Boaz Mazor interesting. Scroll down to read about the portrait of the king of Persia.

[Link: www.newyorksocialdiary.com…]

but I look at people who have minimalism now … I look at the pictures and I always think “My God, what do they do with their books?”

LOL, I think that too!

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:09:41pm

re: #48 sagehen

interesting in an “artist’s sketchbook” sort of way, like a rough draft of what Jimmy Page wanted to do with the Led Zepplin version…

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:12:05pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Between Grayson and Weiner, though, I’d much prefer if Weiner was able to make a comeback. There ought to be a place in politics for liberals like Weiner, but not for those who, like Grayson, authorize Breitbart-style video hackjobs.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

That isn’t what cost Alan Grayson his seat. He lost it for editing his opponent’s on-camera words to make it look like the other man favored dominionism when he wasn’t saying that at all. Grayson fell from his own Breitbart-esque dishonest edit.

Therefore, there should be no place in American politics for Romney. Correct, DF?

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:13:12pm

re: #24 bratwurst

That is probably about the level he will be at…just above the alliterative bottom feeders, Lars Larson and Hugh Hewitt.

Somewhere fighting with Mark Levin over evening drive time slots in the heartland

Obdicut Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:14:27pm

re: #59 Sergey Romanov

Nice catch.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:14:37pm

So when is Mitt Romney going to finally open his shirt and show us Kwato

get it over with, jeez

sagehen Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:16:14pm

re: #49 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, I would like to hear that too, given DF’s criticisms of Grayson’s ad (which I share).

“It’s a foul when a Celtic does it to a Laker, but entirely legal for a Laker to do it to a Celtic.”

Alexzander Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:16:50pm

It just occurred to me that “Mitt” Romney seems less comfortable embracing his full name politically than Barack HUSSEIN Obama is. Is “Willard” really such a liability?

Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:17:17pm

re: #59 Sergey Romanov

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Therefore, there should be no place in American politics for Romney. Correct, DF?

His use of footage of Obama wasn’t quite as bad as what Grayson did, but it was very bad in my eyes. It’ll prevent me from voting for Romney in the primary, since I don’t support that sort of dishonesty. Mitt seems to have his eyes too closely focused on the prize, to the exclusion of principles and honesty.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:17:33pm

re: #64 Alexzander

It just occurred to me that “Mitt” Romney seems less comfortable embracing his full name politically than Barack HUSSEIN Obama is. Is “Willard” really such a liability?

It means Mitt Romney’s going to send his army of trained rats against his opponents

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:18:13pm

re: #64 Alexzander

It just occurred to me that “Mitt” Romney seems less comfortable embracing his full name politically than Barack HUSSEIN Obama is. Is “Willard” really such a liability?

Is “Willard” really such a funny name to an American ear?

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:18:54pm

re: #67 Sergey Romanov

Is “Willard” really such a funny name to an American ear?

Youtube Video

albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:20:41pm

beat them severely about the head and shoulders with non lethal derision

Winny Spencer Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:20:43pm

re: #64 Alexzander

It just occurred to me that “Mitt” Romney seems less comfortable embracing his full name politically than Barack HUSSEIN Obama is. Is “Willard” really such a liability?

What are you talking about? When has he ever seemed uncomfortable embracing his full name?

ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:20:49pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

Yeah I did. Curious, but not surprising. They have to get things cheap, for redevelopment purposes, and India’s government has had an idiotic tendency recently to see Bangladesh as a threat.

I would much rather the US focus on getting better relations between Bangladesh and India, than India and Pakistan. It’s not like we haven’t tried everything to get Pakistan to become less aggressive.

Also, I wouldn’t mind some sort of deal with Bangladesh or arms, so they don’t have to buy from China. A deal for reduced cost.

Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:21:01pm

re: #66 WindUpBird

It means Mitt Romney’s going to send his army of trained rats against his opponents

That seems to be accurate. He seems to be something of a “nut-cutter”, as Richard Nixon would have said.

erik_t Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:21:04pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

It’ll prevent me from voting for Romney in the primary, since I don’t support that sort of dishonesty. Mitt seems to have his eyes too closely focused on the prize, to the exclusion of principles and honesty.

But only in the primary, because team before principle.

sagehen Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:21:05pm

re: #59 Sergey Romanov

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
That isn’t what cost Alan Grayson his seat. He lost it for editing his opponent’s on-camera words to make it look like the other man favored dominionism when he wasn’t saying that at all. Grayson fell from his own Breitbart-esque dishonest edit.

no, actually… He did that appalling ad as a desperation move when he was already clearly going to lose. He lost his seat because he wasn’t a good fit for that district; the only reason he’d ever been elected in the first place was a wave election at the same time as his incumbent opponent had some scandal going.

_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:21:13pm

re: #17 Sergey Romanov

C’mon. It’s a literal joke.

and let us not forget that HC actually did say “uz beki beki stan” for real …. it was not a video trick to make him look bad.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:22:25pm

re: #67 Sergey Romanov

Is “Willard” really such a funny name to an American ear?

It sounds a little old-fashioned and rural to my ear, but that’s not necessarily a disadvantage in politics.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:22:43pm

re: #68 WindUpBird

OK, now I have to ask: is that because of the movie?

sagehen Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:22:46pm

re: #64 Alexzander

It just occurred to me that “Mitt” Romney seems less comfortable embracing his full name politically than Barack HUSSEIN Obama is. Is “Willard” really such a liability?

Yes.

[Link: www.google.com…]

FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:22:51pm

re: #67 Sergey Romanov

Is “Willard” really such a funny name to an American ear?

Yep, it reminds people of rats.

I wouldn’t use it if I were runniing for office.

FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:23:46pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

It sounds a little old-fashioned and rural to my ear, but that’s not necessarily a disadvantage in politics.

Also sounds like the kid that would have gotten the swirlies in school.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:23:53pm

re: #79 ggt

Yep, it reminds people of rats.

I wouldn’t use it if I were runniing for office.

Oh, and it also reminds people of rats. Which IS a disadvantage, I guess.

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:24:12pm

re: #67 Sergey Romanov

IIRC, it was also said to be Clinton’s nickname for his own penis…

darthstar Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:24:35pm

Okay…just swam 1150 yards and am using one of the complimentary iPads at the club while I wait for my wife…what is this I hear about Herman Cain being confused?

FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:24:41pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, and it also reminds people of rats. Which IS a disadvantage, I guess.

politics = rats

Yeah, I can see where that isn’t something someone would want to remind voters.

albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:25:07pm

re: #83 darthstar

Okay…just swam 1150 yards and am using one of the complimentary iPads at the club while I wait for my wife…what is this I hear about Herman Cain being confused?

go back in the water

darthstar Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:25:12pm

B the way…these things suck to type on…

darthstar Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:25:50pm

re: #85 albusteve

go back in the water

I’m not done drowning yet?

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:27:16pm

re: #79 ggt

Yep, it reminds people of rats.

I wouldn’t use it if I were runniing for office.

I see. Someone accidentally named Freddie Kruger is unlikely to become a president too.

Alexzander Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:27:26pm

re: #86 darthstar

B the way…these things suck to type on…

Yeah they are primarily for media consumption rather than creation which is a worrying trend.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:28:07pm

re: #85 albusteve

go back in the water

Youtube Video

FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:28:16pm

re: #88 Sergey Romanov

I see. Someone accidentally named Freddie Kruger is unlikely to become a president too.

Yeah, American Politics …

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:29:47pm

re: #84 ggt

politics = rats

Yeah, I can see where that isn’t something someone would want to remind voters.

I like rats. If politicians reminded me of rats, I would like them better. Bright-eyed, cute, furry…intelligent…I’d take a rat over Herman Cain any day.

Obdicut Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:30:24pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

And rats climb off of you before pissing and shitting.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:30:29pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

Obdi is a fan too, IIRC.

jaunte Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:31:37pm

Downtown Calgary is closed due to high winds:
[Link: emergencyalert.alberta.ca…]

Winny Spencer Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:31:41pm

While on the subject of Mittens, does anyone remember this example of pure bigotry:

Youtube Video

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:32:14pm

re: #93 Obdicut

Not all of them.

Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:32:40pm

re: #71 ProLifeLiberal

Yeah I did. Curious, but not surprising. They have to get things cheap, for redevelopment purposes, and India’s government has had an idiotic tendency recently to see Bangladesh as a threat.

I would much rather the US focus on getting better relations between Bangladesh and India, than India and Pakistan. It’s not like we haven’t tried everything to get Pakistan to become less aggressive.

Also, I wouldn’t mind some sort of deal with Bangladesh or arms, so they don’t have to buy from China. A deal for reduced cost.

For ships, we can that. For tanks, not so much. China has relatively cheap export models who cost we cannot match. There is also the matter of weight. The M1 is very heavy and many bridges in Bangladesh could not support it.

Bangladesh isn’t good tank country, and in 1971 Pakistan had only a single battalion’s worth of US-built M-24 Chafees in what was then East Pakistan. These fared poorly against the newer PT-76 amphibious light tanks India used. It was the PT-76’s only notable victory over US-built armor in Asia. PT-76s manned by North Vietnamese crews fought a number of engagements against US and South Vietnamese M-41 Walker Bulldog light tanks, and M48A3 Patton medium tanks in 1968-1972, all of which ended in the the PT-76 units being smashed. India had better trained crews than North Vietnam, and her tank units were better organized than the Soviet style organization the NVA used.

albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:33:18pm

re: #96 Winny Spencer

While on the subject of Mittens, does anyone remember this example of pure bigotry:

[Video]

Can’t say that I do

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FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:33:21pm

re: #93 Obdicut

And rats climb off of you before pissing and shitting.

Rats will also eat you. And often carry fleas.

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FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:34:47pm

A well-bred rat can make a good pet, I do know that.

They are smart and trainable. I wouldn’t mind a rat as a pet, but the family would object.

Wild rats, City rats, Poltical Rats, I don’t think I would want in my home.

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Skeetghazi Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:35:47pm

re: #87 darthstar

I’m not done drowning yet?

Tell me how to preview and use the pencil on an iPad oh computer sage!

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:35:55pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

I like rats. If politicians reminded me of rats, I would like them better. Bright-eyed, cute, furry…intelligent…I’d take a rat over Herman Cain any day.

Cats like rats………….for dinner. Doesn’t always work out though:

Youtube Video

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:36:45pm

re: #96 Winny Spencer

Agreed - it’s bigoted unless he himself acknowledges that all religion is based on superstition and lies of men. Here he singles Mormonism out. He is correct on facts of Mormon racism, though I don’t think this is a fair issue to bring up.

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blueraven Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:37:31pm

re: #70 Winny Spencer

What are you talking about? When has he ever seemed uncomfortable embracing his full name?

When he said in the last debate,

“I’m Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that’s also my first name.”

The New York Daily News reports that his lame attempt at humor was greeted by “dead silence” from the audience.

Another problem — Mitt is not Romney’s first name. It is his middle name. His real first name is Willard

[Link: www.nydailynews.com…]

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:38:12pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

Tell me how to preview and use the pencil on an iPad oh computer sage!

New comments do not show up on iPad…no big deal

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FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:38:14pm

re: #105 blueraven

When he said in the last debate,

The New York Daily News reports that his lame attempt at humor was greeted by “dead silence” from the audience.

Another problem — Mitt is not Romney’s first name. It is his middle name. His real first name is Willard

[Link: www.nydailynews.com…]

A rat and a wolf?

Nice representation.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:38:35pm

re: #104 Sergey Romanov

So would you say that all criticism of religion that isn’t essentially atheist must be neccessarily bigotted?

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:40:25pm

re: #108 000G

So would you say that all criticism of religion that isn’t essentially atheist must be neccessarily bigotted?

I don’t see where I stated that. If you listen to the clip, he makes a claim about Joseph Smith. Since the same claim by the same logic can be made about Jesus, Mohammed and all other religion founders (unless we claim they’re crazy), why would it be fair to single Smith out as a way to assess Romney’s fitness for office?

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:40:34pm

re: #104 Sergey Romanov

Agreed - it’s bigoted unless he himself acknowledges that all religion is based on superstition and lies of men. Here he singles Mormonism out. He is correct on facts of Mormon racism, though I don’t think this is a fair issue to bring up.

It’s not appropriate, unless you’d do the same for a Baptist candidate.

Actually, I don’t think it’s appropriate either way, but the fact is, the apparent acceptability of attacking Mormonism makes me sick.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:40:47pm

re: #101 ggt

A well-bred rat

You bread them 1st?

I use flour instead!!
//

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Lidane Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:42:25pm

re: #25 Naso Tang

Right, and there is no reality other than 999.

Youtube Video

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goddamnedfrank Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:42:50pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

His use of footage of Obama wasn’t quite as bad as what Grayson did, but it was very bad in my eyes. It’ll prevent me from voting for Romney in the primary, since I don’t support that sort of dishonesty. Mitt seems to have his eyes too closely focused on the prize, to the exclusion of principles and honesty.

If rank dishonest is a deal breaker then who exactly does that leave you with on the Republican side?

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FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:43:02pm

I keep getting de Tocqueville references in my head:

But, despite maintaining with Aristotle, Montesquieu, and others that the balance of property determined the balance of power, Tocqueville argued that, as America showed, equitable property holdings did not ensure the rule of the best men. In fact, it did quite the opposite. The widespread, relatively equitable property ownership which distinguished America and determined its mores and values also explained why< the American masses held elites in such contempt.

I’m going to have to review Democracy in America.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:43:31pm

re: #109 Sergey Romanov

I don’t see where I stated that.

This read like that to me, at least potentially:

it’s bigoted unless he himself acknowledges that all religion is based on superstition and lies of men

As for O’Donnell, I believe he is one of those Christians who prefer to believe in what they think are the rational parts of their faith tradition. Example:

[Link: www.mediaite.com…]

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Skeetghazi Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:43:56pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

If rank dishonest is a deal breaker then who exactly does that leave you with on the Republican side?

Huntsman for 2016?

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FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:44:12pm

re: #111 sattv4u2

A well-bred rat

You bread them 1st?

I use flour instead!!
//

You are confusing the homophones again.

/ducks

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Lidane Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:44:29pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

If rank dishonest is a deal breaker then who exactly does that leave you with on the Republican side?

Luap Nor!

Oh, wait. Never mind.

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:44:36pm

liberals never lie….fact

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FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:44:40pm

re: #116 Stanley Sea

Huntsman for 2016?

If he still gives the perception that he is sane.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:45:09pm

re: #119 albusteve

liberals never lie…fact

I see what you did there, you liberal.

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Lidane Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:45:13pm

re: #116 Stanley Sea

Huntsman for 2016?

He needs to just switch parties. The GOP base will never accept him after working for President Obama.

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FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:45:33pm

re: #119 albusteve

liberals never lie…fact

They truly believe what they say, as do most people.

IMHO

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:45:44pm

re: #105 blueraven

When he said in the last debate,

The New York Daily News reports that his lame attempt at humor was greeted by “dead silence” from the audience.

Another problem — Mitt is not Romney’s first name. It is his middle name. His real first name is Willard

[Link: www.nydailynews.com…]

FAIL on his part. I understand, but if his first name is that much of a drag that he won’t acknowledge it, then he should just change his name legally. If that means taking some heat, it would still be better than the heat he’ll get for evading.

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Skeetghazi Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:46:02pm

re: #120 ggt

If he still gives the perception that he is sane.

That Frum article was good.

(get going on words chickie!)

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FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:46:16pm

re: #122 Lidane

He needs to just switch parties. The GOP base will never accept him after working for President Obama.

Yeah, he’s been compromised. Probably a sekrit mooslim.

///

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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:46:44pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

FAIL on his part. I understand, but if his first name is that much of a drag that he won’t acknowledge it, then he should just change his name legally. If that means taking some heat, it would still be better than the heat he’ll get for evading.

Too bad he couldn’t do the same with his faith, and for the same reasons…

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FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:46:45pm

re: #125 Stanley Sea

That Frum article was good.

(get going on words chickie!)

You need to!

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:46:47pm

all conservatives are dishonest…another fact

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Skeetghazi Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:47:15pm

re: #128 ggt

I did!!

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:47:51pm

re: #118 Lidane

Oh, wait. Never mind.

I’d vote for Obama before I’d vote for Ron Paul. Ron Paul exhibits no care in the company he keeps, and has extremely poor judgement.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:47:53pm

re: #115 000G

No, criticism of religion is a very broad issue, some parts of it are fully available to the religious. As I said, he was correct on racism being a part of the LDS *doctrine* until 1978. Not every religion has racism as a recent doctrine.

The issue of the founder’s character? That’s where hypocrisy starts.

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:47:53pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

FAIL on his part. I understand, but if his first name is that much of a drag that he won’t acknowledge it, then he should just change his name legally. If that means taking some heat, it would still be better than the heat he’ll get for evading.

he should change his name from Mitt to Mutt….more fitting, politically

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:47:54pm

re: #79 ggt

Yep, it reminds people of rats.

I wouldn’t use it if I were runniing for office.

Little known to most, Mitt Romney’s other first name is Renfield

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Lidane Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:48:07pm

re: #126 ggt

Yeah, he’s been compromised. Probably a sekrit mooslim.

///

Yep. A Seekrit Mooslim with a lifetime of conservative Republican credentials.

Doesn’t matter anymore, though. Once he resigned as governor and agreed to be Obama’s ambassador to China, it was all over. He’s now persona non grata in the GOP, as his poll numbers show.

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FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:48:28pm

re: #125 Stanley Sea

That Frum article was good.

(get going on words chickie!)

Yeah, the Frum said a lot of things that needed to be said. Just don’t think the choir reads the New Yorker.

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FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:48:54pm

re: #134 WindUpBird

Little known to most, Mitt Romney’s other first name is Renfield

bad!

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:49:06pm

re: #127 ralphieboy

Too bad he couldn’t do the same with his faith, and for the same reasons…

There’s nothing wrong with being Mormon, though I say that as someone who has had one of his uncles convert to Mormonism.

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Winny Spencer Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:49:08pm

re: #105 blueraven

I’m known by my middle name too, hence I refer to it as my real first name.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:49:17pm

re: #137 ggt

bad!

ALL RED BLOOD

ALL RED EYES

LIKE HIS, ONLY SMALLER

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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:49:29pm

re: #132 Sergey Romanov

and it is recent enough that I think that Romney could write off almost the entire black vote

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:49:29pm

re: #134 WindUpBird

Little known to most, Mitt Romney’s other first name is Renfield

and as a boy, he picked cotton…he knows hardship

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:49:40pm

re: #132 Sergey Romanov

No, criticism of religion is a very broad issue, some parts of it are fully available to the religious.

Well, I still don’t understand how you can “acknowledge that all religion is based on superstition and lies of men” without affirming atheism – given that one would want to avoid being a bigot (“it’s bigoted unless”).

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Skeetghazi Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:49:45pm

re: #133 albusteve

he should change his name from Mitt to Mutt…more fitting, politically

Then it will just bring to mind the horrible travails of his dog -Seamus.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:50:02pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

FAIL on his part. I understand, but if his first name is that much of a drag that he won’t acknowledge it, then he should just change his name legally. If that means taking some heat, it would still be better than the heat he’ll get for evading.

I think it should be OK to say, “My given name is Willard, but I’ve gone by Mitt for a very long time. That’s my middle name. Anyone really wants to call me Willard, go ahead, but even my mom doesn’t call me that.”

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:50:34pm

re: #129 albusteve

all conservatives are dishonest…another fact

Also, all Cretans are liars.

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FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:50:36pm

I have to sleep. Was up to the wee hours of the morning this morning —later than my usual and had to get up early.

check-in later.

Have a great afternoon all!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:51:11pm

re: #143 000G

Well, I still don’t understand how you can “acknowledge that all religion is based on superstition and lies of men” without affirming atheism – given that one would want to avoid being a bigot (“it’s bigoted unless”).

You can reject all religion without being an athiest!

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:51:18pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, all Cretans are liars.

maybe, but that’s what makes them superior drinking mates

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goddamnedfrank Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:51:58pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, all Cretans are liars.

Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

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Skeetghazi Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:52:12pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea

[Link: www.time.com…]

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:52:29pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, all Cretans are liars.

I thought they were just stupid.

///

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:52:29pm

re: #148 WindUpBird

You can reject all religion without being an athiest!

I do both….a twofer

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:52:52pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

There’s nothing wrong with being Mormon, though I say that as someone who has had one of his uncles convert to Mormonism.

Mormons are fine. It’s the nasty anti-Mormon bigotry that troubles me.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:53:09pm

re: #143 000G

Well, I still don’t understand how you can “acknowledge that all religion is based on superstition and lies of men” without affirming atheism – given that one would want to avoid being a bigot (“it’s bigoted unless”).

That means that the issue of founding (which is the word I should have used instead of “based”, but I think it should be very clear from the context that’s what I meant, as I was responding to a specific claim about the founder) is very limited when it comes to religious criticism, as I have already stated above. Criticism of religion in general (as you wrote)? No.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:53:13pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

Unless you’ve got one hell of a lot more firepower on your side than they do.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:54:12pm

re: #141 ralphieboy

and it is recent enough that I think that Romney could write off almost the entire black vote

Realistically, how many black voters can any GOP candidate expect in any given year? And how many of those die-hard black Republicans are going to be swayed by this particular detail?

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:54:22pm

re: #141 ralphieboy

and it is recent enough that I think that Romney could write off almost the entire black vote

I doubt that would be a factor.

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Skeetghazi Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:54:42pm

re: #135 Lidane

Yep. A Seekrit Mooslim with a lifetime of conservative Republican credentials.

Doesn’t matter anymore, though. Once he resigned as governor and agreed to be Obama’s ambassador to China, it was all over. He’s now persona non grata in the GOP, as his poll numbers show.

I really don’t think it’s his ambassadorship - how many of these folks know that? Unless Fox mentions it - dont know. I think it’s because he’s reasonable, nothing more!

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goddamnedfrank Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:55:14pm

re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist

Mormons are fine. It’s the nasty anti-Mormon bigotry that troubles me.

Mormons are fine. Their church, like many churches, has a history replete with examples of bigoted exploitation and craven political opportunism.

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bratwurst Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:56:17pm

re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist

Mormons are fine. It’s the nasty anti-Mormon bigotry that troubles me.

Wait until we catch wind of the type of push-polling the other GOP candidates launch against Mitt in South Carolina. I predict it is going to make what Karl Rove did to John McCain there in 2000 seem gentle.

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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:56:41pm

re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist

Realistically, how many black voters can any GOP candidate expect in any given year? And how many of those die-hard black Republicans are going to be swayed by this particular detail?

re: #158 Sergey Romanov

I doubt that would be a factor.

it is irrelevant in the sense that the GOP have all but written off the black and Latino voting blocks anyways…

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blueraven Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:57:15pm

re: #139 Winny Spencer

I’m known by my middle name too, hence I refer to it as my real first name.

You asked for an example of when he was uncomfortable with his first name. It was provided. Spin it any way you like.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:57:25pm

re: #158 Sergey Romanov

I doubt that would be a factor.

It would be, if the Democrats thought they needed it to be. The Democrats can play nasty when they need to, and in 2012 they will likely need to. Regardless of who he is facing, Barack Obama is too damaged to win solely by staying on the high road. The Dems will need to use a fair bit of negative campaigning to win.

I don’t object to this, BTW. “Going negative” doesn’t bother me much.

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Skeetghazi Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:58:42pm

re: #161 bratwurst

Wait until we catch wind of the type of push-polling the other GOP candidates launch against Mitt in South Carolina. I predict it is going to make what Karl Rove did to John McCain there in 2000 seem gentle.

Ah South Carolina.

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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:58:51pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

I don’t object to this, BTW. “Going negative” doesn’t bother me much.

neither major party has ever been above it, it is just a matter of the degree to which they apply it in any given campaign

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:58:59pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

While I don’t exclude the mere possibility of elements of this, I don’t think the Dems will do it.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:59:09pm

re: #155 Sergey Romanov

That means that the issue of founding (which is the word I should have used instead of “based”, but I think it should be very clear from the context that’s what I meant, as I was responding to a specific claim about the founder) is very limited when it comes to religious criticism, as I have already stated above. Criticism of religion in general (as you wrote)? No.

Just to make sure I understood you correctly: So one would have to essentially assume an atheist position when discussing any religion’s founding if one wanted to avoid being a bigot?

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:59:25pm

re: #160 goddamnedfrank

Mormons are fine. Their church, like many churches, has a history replete with examples of bigoted exploitation and craven political opportunism.

the whole issue is laughable…as in how could one vote for a catholic?…murderous sons of bitches…and those goddamned protestants!

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 1:59:56pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

And I mean “engage in religious bigotry to score political points”. Going negative is much broader than that and can be entirely truthful and non-bigoted.

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:00:38pm

Tom Brady is still a God …

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:00:44pm

I believe only a Certified Atheist should be allowed to run for president…problem solved

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Winny Spencer Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:00:51pm

So if a person has been known by their middle name since childhood, that person is a “fraud” for using his or her middle name as an adult?

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blueraven Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:01:35pm

re: #168 000G

Just to make sure I understood you correctly: So one would have to essentially assume an atheist position when discussing any religion’s founding if one wanted to avoid being a bigot?

Dont want to get too heavy into this, but I believe Lawrence O’Donnell is an atheist.

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:01:35pm

re: #171 _RememberTonyC

Tom Brady is still a God …

a god?…Clapton is the god

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Obdicut Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:01:46pm

re: #173 Winny Spencer

So if a person has been known by their middle name since childhood, that person is a “fraud” for using his or her middle name as an adult?

According to who?

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goddamnedfrank Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:01:51pm

re: #159 Stanley Sea

I really don’t think it’s his ambassadorship - how many of these folks know that? Unless Fox mentions it - dont know. I think it’s because he’s reasonable, nothing more!

It’s because he speaks Mandarin and acknowledges AGW.

In other words:

It says here you talk like a fag and your shit’s all retarded.

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:02:05pm

The Eagles do a lot of woofing for a 4-6 team … they look like punks to me …

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:02:39pm

re: #175 albusteve

a god?…Clapton is the god

I’m polytheistic …

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:03:26pm

re: #179 _RememberTonyC

I’m polytheistic …

you have to be these days

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Winny Spencer Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:03:47pm

re: #176 Obdicut

According to who?

Larry O’Donnell, among other leftists.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:03:52pm

re: #160 goddamnedfrank

Mormons are fine. Their church, like many churches, has a history replete with examples of bigoted exploitation and craven political opportunism.

Irrelevent.

Mormons and Mormonism are being attacked because they are a minority group, and that’s it.

The Southern Baptist Convention was largely founded over the support of slavery. That was a long time ago? That was the year after Joseph Smith died, and yet, people feel comfortable talking about Smith’s veracity and moral standing to attack Mormon candidates, while being a pious Baptist is an asset politically, and any general criticism of Baptists would be reviled, as it should be.

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:04:11pm

re: #180 albusteve

you have to be these days

and we haven’t even gotten to Bo yet …

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blueraven Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:04:40pm

re: #173 Winny Spencer

So if a person has been known by their middle name since childhood, that person is a “fraud” for using his or her middle name as an adult?

Nobody said fraud. Uncomfortable was the word you used…and I think it is an apt description.

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Skeetghazi Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:04:59pm

re: #171 _RememberTonyC

Tom Brady is still a God …

I was just thinking about LGF football updates. Feel free.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:05:22pm

re: #179 _RememberTonyC

I’m polytheistic …

Become a henotheist!

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Lidane Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:06:22pm

re: #173 Winny Spencer

Only to people who had no intention of voting for that candidate anyway.

There are plenty of valid reasons not to vote for Mitt Romney. His name is not one of them.

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:06:26pm

re: #178 _RememberTonyC

The Eagles do a lot of woofing for a 4-6 team … they look like punks to me …

they fucking pounded Dallas a few weeks ago…never forget
I hate the Eagles…if hate where a country I’d be China

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:06:58pm

re: #168 000G

Just to make sure I understood you correctly: So one would have to essentially assume an atheist position when discussing any religion’s founding if one wanted to avoid being a bigot?

Well, once again you didn’t.

In both comments you use over-broad terms - “all criticism of religion”, “discussing any religion’s founding”. We’re not talking about any and all discussion of religions’ foundings, do we?

We’re talking about a specific secular political context - i.e. is the character of the religion’s founder (particularly the one, who died long ago and whose religion heavily evolved since then) directly relevant to the character of a presidential candidate.

If a preacher wants to preach about falseness of all religions but his, that’s hypocritical (AFAIC) but unavoidable - after all, he does still belong to this religion because he thinks it’s true, so others are false (well, as a rule).

If it is made as a secular argument, I don’t see how it is not as bigoted as bringing up Mohammed’s alleged character when discussing a potential Muslim candidate.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:07:16pm

re: #173 Winny Spencer

So if a person has been known by their middle name since childhood, that person is a “fraud” for using his or her middle name as an adult?

I don’t think he is.

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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:07:28pm

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

Irrelevent.

Mormons and Mormonism are being attacked because they are a minority group, and that’s it.

If Obama can be a seekrit Mooslim, then Romney can be a seekrit polygamist bigot.

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Skeetghazi Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:07:31pm

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

Hmmm

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:07:48pm

re: #187 Lidane

Only to people who had no intention of voting for that candidate anyway.

There are plenty of valid reasons not to vote for Mitt Romney. His name is not one of them.

I said the very same regarding BO…who cares what he calls himself, the guy is a ditz

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HoosierHoops Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:08:41pm

Hi lizards..
Back in Oklahoma an hour ago..Sitting on the couch with my shoes kicked off watching football..

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:08:43pm

re: #188 albusteve

they fucking pounded Dallas a few weeks ago…never forget
I hate the Eagles…if hate where a country I’d be China

good teams earn the right to talk shit … if you are 4-6 and talking shit, you ain’t nothin’ but a punk.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:08:59pm

re: #191 ralphieboy

If Obama can be a seekrit Mooslim, then Romney can be a seekrit polygamist bigot.

/

And, just as Obama expresses his Islam by drinking alcohol in public, Romney expresses his FLDS leanings by being married to a single Mrs. Romney.

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:11:11pm

re: #195 _RememberTonyC

good teams earn the right to talk shit … if you are 4-6 and talking shit, you ain’t nothin’ but a punk.

Dallas went ahead and put up some close wins…Philly wallows, while sissy dog boy nurses his wounds…same injury Romo played through and won games

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:11:21pm

re: #195 _RememberTonyC

good teams earn the right to talk shit … if you are 4-6 and talking shit, you ain’t nothin’ but a punk.

You’re from Boston, so you just want to ensure they lose today. Which is OK, since I don’t like the Eagles either. Sadly, the Bears are behind Oakland right now, but only 6-0. And its still the first half. The defense has to keep it close so the offense can try a comeback after halftime.

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:11:54pm

re: #191 ralphieboy

If Obama can be a seekrit Mooslim, then Romney can be a seekrit polygamist bigot.

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typical voter mentality

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goddamnedfrank Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:12:27pm

re: #181 Winny Spencer

Larry O’Donnell, among other leftists.

O’Donnell never said Romney was a fraud for using his middle name. He did say that Joseph Smith was a “lying fraudulent criminal,” but if you’re going to put a word in quotes like that you might want to make sure you’ve got the context correct.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:12:30pm

re: #189 Sergey Romanov

Well, once again you didn’t.

In both comments you use over-broad terms

I was merely referencing your own statements that used those broad terms to begin with (“all religion is based on superstition and lies of men” as a condition for singling out being not bigotted), trying to understand whether you meant it as general as you yourself phrased it or more narrowly.

If a preacher wants to to preach about falseness of all religions but his, that’s hypocritical (AFAIC) but unavoidable - after all, he does still belong to this religion because he thinks it’s true, so others are false (well, as a rule).

;-)

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:12:54pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

You’re from Boston, so you just want to ensure they lose today. Which is OK, since I don’t like the Eagles either. Sadly, the Bears are behind Oakland right now, but only 6-0. And its still the first half. The defense has to keep it close so the offense can try a comeback after halftime.

how’s caleb doing at QB?

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:13:08pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

You’re from Boston, so you just want to ensure they lose today. Which is OK, since I don’t like the Eagles either. Sadly, the Bears are behind Oakland right now, but only 6-0. And its still the first half. The defense has to keep it close so the offense can try a comeback after halftime.

the Bears cannot play with the big dogs…they are second rate this year

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:13:52pm

re: #202 _RememberTonyC

how’s caleb doing at QB?

4/11
22 yrds
bigtime, eh?

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:14:29pm

re: #197 albusteve

Dallas went ahead and put up some close wins…Philly wallows, while sissy dog boy nurses his wounds…same injury Romo played through and won games

vick took a lot of hits, but so do all QBs … when you are a running QB, expect guys to take their shots when they can …. especially the ones who are dog lovers …

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:15:07pm

re: #204 albusteve

4/11
22 yrds
bigtime, eh?

hand it off to matt forte, caleb

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:16:08pm

re: #201 000G

From “all religion” do not follow “any discussion”, etc.

As for Bahai, see those words in brackets.

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Winny Spencer Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:16:09pm

re: #200 goddamnedfrank

O’Donnell never said Romney was a fraud for using his middle name. He did say that Joseph Smith was a “lying fraudulent criminal,” but if you’re going to put a word in quotes like that you might want to make sure you’ve got the context correct.

Lawrence O’Donnell Is Very Troubled By Mitt Romney And Rick Perry Using Nicknames

“everywhere else, I endure life with a first name that I don’t really like because not using my first name just seems too phony to me.”

“trying to hide it, like a con man or a cult leader.”

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:16:12pm

re: #203 albusteve

the Bears cannot play with the big dogs…they are second rate this year

The team is good, but the loss of Cutler hurts. They should still be able to win against Oakland, but ‘be able to’ doesn’t mean ‘actually will win’. Like I said, if they win it’ll have to come in the second half.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:17:31pm

re: #206 _RememberTonyC

hand it off to matt forte, caleb

He’s doing that, but you can’t just run the ball. In order to have an effective offense, they have to let Haney pass and it will take time for both he and the receivers to get in sync.

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:17:58pm

Brady is doing a “ginsu” number on the Philly defense … all of a sudden, the Eagles guys aren’t woofing …

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:18:49pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

He’s doing that, but you can’t just run the ball. In order to have an effective offense, they have to let Haney pass and it will take time for both he and the receivers to get in sync.

he needs to throw some short stuff to his tight end ….

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:19:19pm

re: #211 _RememberTonyC

Brady is doing a “ginsu” number on the Philly defense … all of a sudden, the Eagles guys aren’t woofing …

and at the Linc!…I love it

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:20:45pm

Brady to Welker …. TD …….

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:20:50pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

He’s doing that, but you can’t just run the ball. In order to have an effective offense, they have to let Haney pass and it will take time for both he and the receivers to get in sync.

yeah, we know that…
Cutler is the new ‘mistake by the lake’….
nice going you dipshits

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:20:58pm

re: #207 Sergey Romanov

From “all religion” do not follow “any discussion”, etc.

Well, then I don’t see what that atheist condition was supposed to achieve or how it would be justified, but I shall let it be.

As for Bahai, see those words in brackets.

I saw them alright, that’s why it was a winking smiley

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:22:37pm

re: #207 Sergey Romanov

From “all religion” do not follow “any discussion”, etc.

As for Bahai, see those words in brackets.

My favorite Bahai blogger once commented that the Iranian government acts as though Bahai’ullah said, “Please, go ahead and torture me and my family and exile us to the back of beyond in Palestine. Eighty years from now, the Jews will create a state there, and then we’ll be in a great position to spy for them!!”

(This related to nothing, I just thought it was hilarious, in a very sad way.)

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:24:41pm

the McCaskey cabal has ruined the Bears…George would roll over in his grave

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:25:55pm

belichick just stuck it to Philly again …

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:26:10pm

re: #216 000G

Well, then I don’t see what that atheist condition was supposed to achieve or how it would be justified,

I think I already explained it in a lot of comments. It (the comment about the religions’ foundations) pertains to some circumstances (e.g. secular political debates) but not to others. It’s not there to achieve anything. It’s the most natural way to say it. Should I have excluded any religions? On what basis?

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:28:00pm

re: #220 Sergey Romanov

I think I already explained it in a lot of comments. It (the comment about the religions’ foundations) pertains to some circumstances (e.g. secular political debates) but not to others. It’s not there to achieve anything. It’s the most natural way to say it. Should I have excluded any religions? On what basis?

Well, you seem to exclude all religions because no truly religious person would ever fulfill that condition.

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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:33:10pm

re: #169 albusteve

the whole issue is laughable…as in how could one vote for a catholic?…murderous sons of bitches…and those goddamned protestants!

You can’t trust any of them, they’re only one step away from being atheists!
///

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:33:18pm

re: #221 000G

Well, you seem to exclude all religions because no truly religious person would ever fulfill that condition.

For the issue of founding in this particular context I exclude them all. I think I wrote as much above.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:34:42pm

re: #215 albusteve

Fling an insult, earn a downding.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:35:04pm

re: #223 Sergey Romanov

For the issue of founding in this particular context I exclude them all. I think I wrote as much above.

And again, I don’t see the neccessity of it.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:35:32pm

re: #225 000G

And again, I don’t see the neccessity of it.

The necessity for what?

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:36:50pm

re: #226 Sergey Romanov

The necessity for what?

Of that condition.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:39:19pm

re: #227 000G

Of that condition.

The necessity is in that there aren’t any secular reasons to exclude any religion for this “rule” in a secular debate.

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albusteve Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:40:20pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

Fling an insult, earn a downding.

if you’re a McCaskey fan, then downding yourself…twice

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:42:21pm

Gotta go.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Nov 27, 2011 2:47:18pm

re: #228 Sergey Romanov

The necessity is in that there aren’t any secular reasons to exclude any religion for this “rule” in a secular debate.

You lost me.

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lostlakehiker Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:52:23pm

re: #3 Alexzander

The big primary election news today is the endorsement of Gingrich by the New Hampshire Union Leader newspaper.

Intrade has been crazy this week.

Romney drops below 60 percent for the first time in weeks.
Gingrich is over 20 percent!!!
Huntman and Ron Paul are both at 6 percent.
Cain around 3, while hilarious old Perry cannot even reach 2 percent.

Hey, it’s gonna be Huntsman.

Gingrich can’t win because he’s, well, Gingrich. The nutcase field is losing ground because of confusion. Their own, but whatever.
Romney can’t win because he can’t get traction or break out.

By Sherlock Holmes’ process of elimination, however improbably it may seem, Huntsman must be the nominee.

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lostlakehiker Sun, Nov 27, 2011 7:58:44pm

re: #132 Sergey Romanov

No, criticism of religion is a very broad issue, some parts of it are fully available to the religious. As I said, he was correct on racism being a part of the LDS *doctrine* until 1978. Not every religion has racism as a recent doctrine.

The issue of the founder’s character? That’s where hypocrisy starts.

Well, maintaining a discreet silence about things you’d better be silent about or else, is discretion.

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