Christie: Civil Rights Struggle Could Have Been Resolved by Voting

New Jersey governor suddenly sounds like Ron Paul
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A pretty amazing statement (and not in a good way) from New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who made an argument against a measure legalizing gay marriage by comparing it to the civil rights movement — and ended up saying that the civil unrest of the 1950s and 60s could have been avoided by letting states vote on whether African Americans should have human rights.

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie says the turmoil of the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s could have been avoided, had states simply put African-Americans’ rights and integration to a vote.

“People would have been happy to have referendum on civil rights rather than fighting and dying in the streets in the South,” Christie said on Wednesday.

Christie was comparing the civil rights movement to the fight for same-sex marriage, calling for a referendum on gay marriage in New Jersey, rather than the passage of marriage equality by the legislature.

This is Ron/Rand Paul’s argument against the Civil Rights Act, of course, and it comes from some kind of wingnut fantasy version of the civil rights struggle that’s exactly opposite from reality. The entire reason for the violence and civil disobedience was because those Southern states were allowed to vote on rights for black people, and they voted NO. This was the era of Jim Crow laws. If African Americans had just sat back and let these states hold referendums on it, there’d still be segregated lunch counters today in Alabama.

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122 comments
1 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 3:57:27pm

Christie should rent "The Help" for a good primer on the challenges of the segregated South.

I wanted to hurt people and break things after seeing that movie.

2 Kragar  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 3:58:44pm
If Americans had just sat back and let these states hold a referendum on it, there’d still be segregated lunch counters today in Alabama.

Ron Paul thinks there still should be segregated lunch counters because it infringes on the restaurant owner's property rights.

3 Olsonist  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:00:22pm

Ron Paul thinks there still should still be slavery because emancipation infringed on the slaveholder's property rights.

4 Sionainn  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:00:31pm

re: #1 rwdflynavy

Christie should rent "The Help" for a good primer on the challenges of the segregated South.

I wanted to hurt people and break things after seeing that movie.

I'm reading it right now. It's a riveting, heartbreaking book.

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:02:12pm

re: #4 Sionainn

I'm reading it right now. It's a riveting, heartbreaking book.

Want another slice of pie?

6 windsagio  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:02:27pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ron Paul thinks there still should be segregated lunch counters because black people are scary.

fixT

7 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:03:01pm

People did have a goddamn referendum. They had referendums all the time. What was being struck down was state laws.

I expected marginally better from Christie. This is stupider than a bag of wet mice.

8 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:04:07pm

The reason that people were fighting and dying in the streets of the South is because those States were violating the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. The whole point of passing the 14th Amendment was to prevent civil rights from being subject to a referendum by popular vote.

Jesus Christ, this is so much fail from someone who should know better.

9 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:04:20pm

Voting and the kinds of civics that the United States are supposed to be based on require the respect to others that they are allowed to vote and that the votes are counted as fairly as possible. (We live in an imperfect world, and therefore there will never be a perfect vote.)

When a significant portion of the population is blocked from the polling stations altogether, the kind of government that the United States is supposed to have simply has ceased to exist.

10 Olsonist  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:04:50pm

re: #7 Obdicut

People did have a goddamn referendum. They had referendums all the time. What was being struck down was state laws.

I expected marginally better from Christie. This is stupider than a bag of wet mice.

I wasn't going to say that but yeah, I did expect better of Christie. It's getting to the point where I don't expect anything from Republicans.

11 Sionainn  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:05:34pm

re: #5 EmmmieG

Want another slice of pie?

"Two slice Hilly." I just finished reading that part. In other words, no, thank you.

12 windsagio  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:05:42pm

I like the subtext of 'vote to get back your right to vote!'

13 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:09:13pm

re: #12 windsagio

I like the subtext of 'vote to get back your right to vote!'

Well, they are supressing voting rights nation wide right now that voters are having to vote to overturn.

[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]

14 Olsonist  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:14:13pm

Wait a fucking minute. I get it. I'm not in the audience for this dog whistle. Of fucking course I think that human rights are a given and we shouldn't have to vote for them. But then again, I'm not in the audience for this dog whistle.

What Christie the surrogate is really saying to people with dog ears is that the Civil RIghts Movement was somehow wrong or unnecessary or went about things wrong.

Fuck that and fuck him.

15 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:15:32pm

still a republican, hahaha

still a corrupt racist ideology to the core, still deserves to be destroyed as a party

16 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:17:11pm

Gotta have a wingnut on the ticket. The RINO label was hurting his chances to be Romney's #2.

What a shithead.

19 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:19:53pm

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

This was the quality of the Mississippi Republican thought process in 2011:

20some% in South Carolina too.

20 Lidane  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:21:08pm

Gee. I can't imagine why the GOP is utter shit at minority outreach.

21 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:22:00pm

re: #18 publicityStunted

welcome to the slide towards Third World America

22 Lidane  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:25:12pm

re: #14 Olsonist

What Christie the surrogate is really saying to people with dog ears is that the Civil Rights Movement was somehow wrong or unnecessary or went about things wrong.

Fuck that and fuck him.

Well, duh. The Civil Rights Movement involved minorities actually fighting for their basic human dignity instead of just waiting around for White America to decide that it was time to give it to them. Of course it was wrong. ///

Welcome to the 2011-2012 GOP.

23 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:26:09pm

re: #22 Lidane

Well, duh. The Civil Rights Movement involved minorities actually fighting for their basic human dignity instead of just waiting around for White America to decide that it was time to give it to them. Of course it was wrong. ///

That's the very definition of 'uppity'.

24 Lidane  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:27:14pm

re: #23 wrenchwench

That's the very definition of 'uppity'.

White people can't be uppity. It's the people who don't know their place that get uppity.

///

25 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:29:39pm

Oh America!

Wonkette @Wonkette

Pennsylvania House Votes To Declare Bible Awesomest Book of 2012

[Link: wonkette.com...]

26 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:33:48pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

Oh America!

Wonkette @Wonkette

Pennsylvania House Votes To Declare Bible Awesomest Book of 2012

[Link: wonkette.com...]

That's even more ignorant than Chris Christie.

27 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:34:52pm

These dummies want another civil war.

28 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:37:20pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

Oh America!

Wonkette @Wonkette

Pennsylvania House Votes To Declare Bible Awesomest Book of 2012

[Link: wonkette.com...]

Oh, good grief.

29 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:37:43pm

re: #27 Amory Blaine

These dummies want another civil war.

sure seems that way

30 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:37:45pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

Oh America!

Wonkette @Wonkette

Pennsylvania House Votes To Declare Bible Awesomest Book of 2012

[Link: wonkette.com...]

Oh, and WHERE ARE THE JOBS!

31 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:39:33pm

The Sane Republican is the equivalent of a Snipe.

Mythical, fleeting, an irreverent hoax.

32 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:41:40pm

re: #30 wozzablog

Oh, and WHERE ARE THE JOBS!

He's in the bible!


too easy

33 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:42:22pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

He's in the bible!

too easy

I line'em up...

34 Kragar  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:43:24pm

re: #33 wozzablog

I line'em up...

I will not make the circus seal joke.

35 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:47:11pm

Windy, you still around?

36 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:48:07pm

You know how years ago the History Channel used to be good but has sucked ever since? ( Making my Internet list of things, shows or people that used to be great but now suck bigtime..Like Tiger Woods )
So.. I was in a motel yesterday afternoon and there was this most awesome show on the History Channel about the Civil Rights movement.. It was awesome! Hours of video and stories.. Very in depth..5 out of 5 stars and a must see.. See History Channel..See what you could have become?

37 Kragar  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:50:45pm

re: #36 HoosierHoops

You know how years ago the History Channel used to be good but has sucked ever since? ( Making my Internet list of things, shows or people that used to be great but now suck bigtime..Like Tiger Woods )
So.. I was in a motel yesterday afternoon and there was this most awesome show on the History Channel about the Civil Rights movement.. It was awesome! Hours of video and stories.. Very in depth..5 out of 5 stars and a must see.. See History Channel..See what you could have become?

Civil Rights Movement?

Aliens.

38 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:52:51pm

What a loud of malarkey.

Next they're going to say that slavery would have ended sooner in the South if the dictator, Lincoln, hadn't waged the war of Northern aggression.

Oh.

Wait.

39 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:53:14pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Civil Rights Movement?

Aliens.

Aliens
Big Foot
Religion
Ax men and truck drivers
History Channel has become a joke
Sometime in History somebody said to be true to yourself
They didn't get the memo

40 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:53:57pm

They should have put slavery to a vote during Lincoln's election. That would have stopped the Civil War.

Oh wait...

41 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:54:36pm

Opponents of gay marriage and equality for gay Americans have used the BS argument before. Ironically, one person who used it a few years back is a fellow Zionist, who is also black and an evangelical. I told I didn't think it was legally fair to vote on someone else's rights under the law and of course she said that such laws would "force" her to accept the unions. It's a flimsy argument without merit of course - and its true origins are rooted in deep-seated religious-based prejudice, but I played along. I asked her if the same could be said for segregation, that perhaps desegregating blacks also "forced" some white folk to accept an interracial society. I further argued that perhaps such discomfort could be laid to rest via the vote, rather than a court order. She didn't like that very much.

State's rights is really a sneaky way to enforce tyranny, in my opinion.

42 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:54:54pm

You know what I'm reading about? Depressing.

3 separate violent intimidation events against Dems in one week.

Murdered Liberal kitty.

Cross hairs (no they were NOT surveyor signs) on Dem Rep's doors in Missouri

And the lovely policeman who posted on facebook the "teenagers?" with their guns and shot up Obama tee-shirt.

It's crazy.

43 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:05:21pm

re: #41 eclectic infidel

Opponents of gay marriage and equality for gay Americans have used the BS argument before. Ironically, one person who used it a few years back is a fellow Zionist, who is also black and an evangelical. I told I didn't think it was legally fair to vote on someone else's rights under the law and of course she said that such laws would "force" her to accept the unions. It's a flimsy argument without merit of course - and its true origins are rooted in deep-seated religious-based prejudice, but I played along. I asked her if the same could be said for segregation, that perhaps desegregating blacks also "forced" some white folk to accept an interracial society. I further argued that perhaps such discomfort could be laid to rest via the vote, rather than a court order. She didn't like that very much.

State's rights is really a sneaky way to enforce tyranny, in my opinion.

States are not free to violate the constitution. They were invalidating the amendment that gave everyone the right to vote (14th? Too lazy to go and look it up), and probably the 1st by not allowing free speech de facto by sanctioning violence.

Can someone tell me about the 2nd? Were blacks allowed to own guns?

44 Lidane  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:07:48pm

re: #27 Amory Blaine

These dummies want another civil war.

Of course they do. They're convinced that White America is under siege and that a Second Civil War is incoming. You know, because we elected a black guy President. Or something.

Luap Nor and his idiot son, Alex Jones, the freepers and teabaggers, etc. -- they're all salivating at the prospect of another Civil War. They think the South might actually win this time. =P

45 Lidane  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:10:12pm

re: #41 eclectic infidel

State's rights is really a sneaky way to enforce tyranny, in my opinion.

States' rights is a bullshit argument anyway. Its roots are in the idea that the states have the right to decide if you can legally own another person or not.

It's just a holdover from the Confederacy that needs to be taken out behind the barn.

46 Lidane  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:13:12pm

Slight OT, but the GOP's shit minority outreach is having some funny results.

Remember the douchebag mayor in CT who said he'd eat tacos in support of the Latino community that was outraged over alleged police discrimination?

Well, a local Latino group took him up on the offer:

Group Delivers Hundreds Of Tacos To Connecticut Mayor Who Insulted Latinos With ‘Tacos’ Comment

47 Kragar  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:15:06pm

re: #46 Lidane

Slight OT, but the GOP's shit minority outreach is having some funny results.

Remember the douchebag mayor in CT who said he'd eat tacos in support of the Latino community that was outraged over alleged police discrimination?

Well, a local Latino group took him up on the offer:

Group Delivers Hundreds Of Tacos To Connecticut Mayor Who Insulted Latinos With ‘Tacos’ Comment

DAMN IT! That pisses me off.

Because now I want tacos.

Thanks for nothing.

48 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:16:44pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I agree. That's rewarding bad behavior.

49 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:20:42pm

re: #46 Lidane

I like how the mayor goes the extra mile and claims that his office has donated the tacos to a local food pantry.

50 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:21:23pm

re: #46 Lidane

Slight OT, but the GOP's shit minority outreach is having some funny results.

Remember the douchebag mayor in CT who said he'd eat tacos in support of the Latino community that was outraged over alleged police discrimination?

Well, a local Latino group took him up on the offer:

Group Delivers Hundreds Of Tacos To Connecticut Mayor Who Insulted Latinos With ‘Tacos’ Comment

Hola Asshole!

51 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:22:01pm

I need some tequila, and mole sauce.

52 windsagio  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:22:35pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

Windy, you still around?

I was gone for a bit, back now tho', you?

53 Kragar  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:22:54pm

re: #48 Amory Blaine

I agree. That's rewarding bad behavior.

TACOS!

54 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:23:14pm

re: #51 BigPapa

I need some tequila, and mole sauce.

I have leftover swordfish. Ready to go in my homemade quesadilla with tapatio. Good enough.

55 jaunte  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:23:42pm

Ron Paul, denial, and ponies, from Twitter:

Bronies for Ron Paul @Bronys4RonPaul
Now I feel inclined to read what the DeceptiCONS are trying to feed us as racist newsletters and finding NOTHING racist.

56 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:25:24pm

How does this fat fuck figure America would have voted?
Image: YwvuS.jpg

pic is NSFW / NSFHumanity

57 sagehen  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:26:02pm

re: #31 BigPapa

The Sane Republican is the equivalent of a Snipe.

Mythical, fleeting, an irreverent hoax.

Not quite -- there's never been snipes, there did used to be Sane Republicans.

Perhaps a better analogy would be the Black Rhino (pun intended)... there used to be many thousands living in the wild, now there's just a few left, in zoos.

58 sagehen  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:29:37pm

re: #43 EmmmieG

States are not free to violate the constitution. They were invalidating the amendment that gave everyone the right to vote (14th? Too lazy to go and look it up), and probably the 1st by not allowing free speech de facto by sanctioning violence.

Can someone tell me about the 2nd? Were blacks allowed to own guns?

The whole reason gun control laws were passed in the first place is because 40-50 years ago, the Black Panthers started walking around open-carry, making white people nervous.

59 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:30:30pm

re: #57 sagehen

Not quite -- there's never been snipes, there did used to be Sane Republicans.

Perhaps a better analogy would be the Black Rhino (pun intended)... there used to be many thousands living in the wild, now there's just a few left, in zoos.

So very sorry to have to do this, but...
A snipe hunt is about the fact that you are led into the woods and left there. There are snipes. They are real, although you aren't catching any.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Now, snipe hunts can be compared to "Separate but Equal." Theoretically, it's possible, but you aren't catching any snipes tonight. Ever.

60 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:31:15pm

re: #52 windsagio

I was gone for a bit, back now tho', you?

Dude! No mas AIM. go to your twittah account and direct message me. If you care to catch up mo fo.

61 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:32:37pm

re: #56 negativ

How does this fat fuck figure America would have voted?
Image: YwvuS.jpg

pic is NSFW / NSFHumanity

They conveniently forget the truth. All spoiled and pampered or something. It's all in the way distant past for them.

Why do some people remember and some want so fucking hard to forget?

62 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:32:39pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

Dude! No mas AIM. go to your twittah account and direct message me. If you care to catch up mo fo.

And fuck yo couch????
/

63 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:33:08pm

re: #58 sagehen

The whole reason gun control laws were passed in the first place is because 40-50 years ago, the Black Panthers started walking around open-carry, making white people nervous.

That too, but earlier than that were things like New York's Sullivan Act to disarm the poor and minorities. The NRA helped write that generation of laws according to what I've read.

64 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:34:09pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

And fuck yo couch???
/

YEP

65 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:39:44pm

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm finding more respect for George W. Bush every day.

In context, of course. Compared to the rest of his idiotic nimrod party, the man's a giant.

66 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:43:47pm

re: #65 BongCrodny

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm finding more respect for George W. Bush every day.

In context, of course. Compared to the rest of his idiotic nimrod party, the man's a giant.

I have an imagination. I see President Bush calling President Obama saying, "I cannot believe the shit you get!"

And they are friends. And they and their folks work together.

Don't you think previous Presidents who are of well mind aren't involved in some way?

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:44:21pm

re: #8 goddamnedfrank

The reason that people were fighting and dying in the streets of the South is because those States were violating the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. The whole point of passing the 14th Amendment was to prevent civil rights from being subject to a referendum by popular vote.

Jesus Christ, this is so much fail from someone who should know better.

This is the classic argument against any strong push (including legislation) to end any form of discrimination or exploitation.

Child labor would have just gone away by itself, there was no need to pass all those laws.

Civil rights would have just naturally bloomed, there was no need for all that ugliness.

Women would have eventually achieved social equality in a natural way without all those shrill feminists.

Slavery would have just naturally ended, leading to a much nicer society than the one we got by fighting a war over it.

The whole world was so sorry after the Holocaust that anti-Semitism was just over, and then the Jews had to ruin it for themselves by insisting on establishing a nation.

And so on, ad infinitum.

68 Lidane  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:45:08pm

re: #65 BongCrodny

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm finding more respect for George W. Bush every day.

In context, of course. Compared to the rest of his idiotic nimrod party, the man's a giant.

I never voted for Dubya, but I also never hated the guy personally. His politics sucked, but he wasn't a bad guy, IMO. I actually defended him, loudly, from the idiots that made the "Bush = Hitler" comparisons.

I'd rather have Dubya running for POTUS again in the GOP than the current clusterfuck of candidates and shitty ideas.

69 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:45:18pm

re: #66 Stanley Sea

We know that Clinton and W worked with the Administration after the catastrophe in Haiti 2 years ago.

70 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:47:13pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

Dude! No mas AIM. go to your twittah account and direct message me. If you care to catch up mo fo.

you're on twitter?

71 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:47:15pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

The whole world was so sorry after the Holocaust that anti-Semitism was just over, and then the Jews had to ruin it for themselves by insisting on establishing a nation.

Hell, Germans could have just voted in a government that would answer the "Jewish Queston" they way they wante... oh, wait. Never mind.

72 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:47:48pm

re: #69 ProLifeLiberal

Still stunning to believe the death toll of that catastrophe was the worst in the History of the Western Hemisphere.

45,000-316,000 killed

73 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:48:15pm

re: #66 Stanley Sea

I have an imagination. I see President Bush calling President Obama saying, "I cannot believe the shit you get!"

And they are friends. And they and their folks work together.

Don't you think previous Presidents who are of well mind aren't involved in some way?

W got the first phone call when OBL was hit, IIRC.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:48:20pm

re: #43 EmmmieG

Can someone tell me about the 2nd? Were blacks allowed to own guns?

It seems to me that farmers, at any rate, must have had them. I assume that using one in self-defense would have been about as useful in the long run as using it to shoot yourself, in many places.

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:49:15pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

DAMN IT! That pisses me off.

Because now I want tacos.

Thanks for nothing.

Yeah. I was thinking. I haven't even said anything racially insensitive on TV, and this guy gets hundreds of tacos, and I don't.

There is no justice in this world.

76 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:49:24pm

re: #73 wrenchwench

That's good to know.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:50:46pm

re: #56 negativ

How does this fat fuck figure America would have voted?
Image: YwvuS.jpg

pic is NSFW / NSFHumanity

It's the photos with children running around that really drive it home.

This was not something done under cover of night.

This was done by the entire white community, in broad daylight, with no more sense of shame than Romans had about the circus.

Within living memory.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:52:23pm

re: #69 ProLifeLiberal

We know that Clinton and W worked with the Administration after the catastrophe in Haiti 2 years ago.

Granted, wiping his hand on Bill slightly ruined the moment...

///It was nice to see them out there.

80 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:52:28pm

re: #78 Varek Raith

crazy is spreading

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:53:15pm

re: #72 ProLifeLiberal

Still stunning to believe the death toll of that catastrophe was the worst in the History of the Western Hemisphere.

45,000-316,000 killed

Rebar. Rebar and building codes are the incredibly unsexy thing that save countless lives every year without our even the hell noticing.

83 Lidane  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:53:20pm

re: #78 Varek Raith

North Carolina GOP Lawmaker Calls For Bringing Back Public Hangings, Starting With Abortion Providers

Hey, look -- another atavistic moran who wants to take us back to the Dark Ages.

84 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:54:08pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

This is the classic argument against any strong push (including legislation) to end any form of discrimination or exploitation.

Child labor would have just gone away by itself, there was no need to pass all those laws.

Civil rights would have just naturally bloomed, there was no need for all that ugliness.

Women would have eventually achieved social equality in a natural way without all those shrill feminists.

Slavery would have just naturally ended, leading to a much nicer society than the one we got by fighting a war over it.

The whole world was so sorry after the Holocaust that anti-Semitism was just over, and then the Jews had to ruin it for themselves by insisting on establishing a nation.

And so on, ad infinitum.

Cancer will just cure itself, no need to spend $ on a cure.

Crime will just cure itself, no need for cops. Just more guns.

85 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:54:16pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Granted, wiping his hand on Bill slightly ruined the moment...

///It was nice to see them out there.

I'm sure on the way back Bill put George's hand in a bowl of water while he was asleep.

86 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:54:21pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

Anyone know how the rebuilding is going?

I know that roughly 550,000 people are still homeless. At this point, I think the US should just take those people in.

87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:55:44pm

re: #86 ProLifeLiberal

Make Pat Robertson host them at his mansion.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:56:34pm

re: #84 BigPapa

Cancer will just cure itself, no need to spend $ on a cure.

Crime will just cure itself, no need for cops. Just more guns.

And, most of all, the free market will naturally fix any problems relating to labor, product safety, or cost manipulation.

89 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:57:20pm

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

The free market saved my baby from a dingo.

90 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:58:01pm

re: #70 wozzablog

you're on twitter?

Yes, in kind of a code, well not SS. Ha, doesn't matter. I'm not afraid of Walter, because I moved.

Look for the Uterati who lizards follow. Helpful? Maybe I'm still a little paranoid.

91 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:58:09pm

re: #87 Slumbering Behemoth

I like this idea.

The US is 310+ Million strong. Half a Million will barely register.

92 JAFO  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:58:34pm

re: #86 ProLifeLiberal

Anyone know how the rebuilding is going?

I know that roughly 550,000 people are still homeless. At this point, I think the US should just take those people in.

Only 4500 homes re-built so far.

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:58:37pm

re: #86 ProLifeLiberal

Anyone know how the rebuilding is going?

I know that roughly 550,000 people are still homeless. At this point, I think the US should just take those people in.

My understanding is that a lot of the money pledged for rebuilding just never happened.

I think France should pay to rebuild the entire damn country.

Or hell, anyone, I'm not fussy.

Haiti is a tragedy that never stops.

94 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:00:01pm

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

And, most of all, the free market will naturally fix any problems relating to labor, product safety, or cost manipulation.

In fact, any interference from government on any of those issues only makes things worse.

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:00:12pm

re: #87 Slumbering Behemoth

Make Pat Robertson host them at his mansion.

Haven't the Haitians suffered enough without having to put up with Pat Robertson?

(I am still so thoroughly pissed off at him about that whole thing, though.)

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:00:50pm

re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth

The free market saved my baby from a dingo.

But if it hadn't, it would have naturally corrected itself through market feedback, and later saved other babies from dingos.

97 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:01:33pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

But if it hadn't, it would have naturally corrected itself through market feedback, and later saved other babies from dingos.

That's some Star Trek grade techno babble there.
:P

98 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:01:37pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

kewl. delete the reference in your comment to be on the safe side xx

99 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:01:43pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

Oh America!

Wonkette @Wonkette

Pennsylvania House Votes To Declare Bible Awesomest Book of 2012

[Link: wonkette.com...]

They really don't understand this separation of church and state thing, do they?

100 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:02:21pm

re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth

The free market saved my baby from a dingo.

Stealin' it.

101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:03:28pm

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

There aren't sufficient words available to describe how much I dislike that man.

102 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:05:57pm

re: #101 Slumbering Behemoth

There aren't sufficient words available to describe how much I dislike that man.

103 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:06:24pm

re: #44 Lidane

Of course they do. They're convinced that White America is under siege and that a Second Civil War is incoming. You know, because we elected a black guy President. Or something.

Luap Nor and his idiot son, Alex Jones, the freepers and teabaggers, etc. -- they're all salivating at the prospect of another Civil War. They think the South might actually win this time. =P

If there is another Civil War the winners will be the same people who won the Yugoslavian Civil War.

No one.

104 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:07:32pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

My understanding is that a lot of the money pledged for rebuilding just never happened.

I think France should pay to rebuild the entire damn country.

Or hell, anyone, I'm not fussy.

Haiti is a tragedy that never stops.

And they bleah bleah about Cuba. Haiti is just an itsy bit farther away, but a disgrace in our hemisphere.

105 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:10:08pm

re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth

The free market saved my baby from a dingo.

That was a fall dingo, the free market paid him to try and eat your baby.

106 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:12:50pm

g'night all

107 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:15:52pm

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

Free Market. They should bottle that stuff.

108 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:18:17pm

I think we should just leave Haiti be and let the Free Market help them out.

We'll airdrop some Bibles in there, with matching bootstraps.

109 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 6:57:44pm

re: #108 BigPapa

I think we should just leave Haiti be and let the Free Market help them out.

We'll airdrop some Bibles in there, with matching bootstraps.

Image: 2010-11-18-21-23-581921223553.jpg

110 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:00:21pm

re: #109 publicityStunted

Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for life.

So what's a bible supposed to do?

111 What, me worry?  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:18:49pm

re: #104 Stanley Sea

And they bleah bleah about Cuba. Haiti is just an itsy bit farther away, but a disgrace in our hemisphere.

And Newt talks about the importance of colonizing the Moon.

Not to put the space program down, but can this man be further out of touch with reality?

112 palomino  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:22:45pm

How on earth does Christie think such referenda could have even made it on the ballots in the deep South of the 50s and 60s?

And since millions of blacks were effectively denied suffrage rights, what makes him think civil rights would have been approved by southern voters?

113 okonkolo  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:45:52pm

Newark Mayor Corey Booker was asked about Christie's position and had this to say. It's worth a listen if you have four minutes.

114 Lidane  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:50:32pm

re: #112 palomino

How on earth does Christie think such referenda could have even made it on the ballots in the deep South of the 50s and 60s?

And since millions of blacks were effectively denied suffrage rights, what makes him think civil rights would have been approved by southern voters?

Because the free markets and the invisible hand and stuff. Or something.

115 Tsuga  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:11:46pm

The voters of the state of California voted in favor of Proposition 14 in 1964, which amended the state constitution to legalize housing discrimination based on race and other factors (overturning the Rumford Fair Housing Act which had been passed by the legislature). Fortunately, this proposition was overturned by the California Supreme Court in 1966 and that decision was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1967.

There is a reason that civil rights and constitutional rights are not subject to majority votes. Whatever their other shortcomings, the founding fathers were right about this.

116 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:19:05pm

How about we just let people vote if they want to raise taxes on rich people instead Christie?

There's a reason the right sof a minority should never be vested entirely in the hands of the majority its because when you do you don't have a democracy or a republic, you have a mob.

117 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:23:59pm

The real story here is that Chris Christi is a coward. If gay marriage passes, he wants to have nothing to do with it so that he won't have to run in 2016 as a Republican who had gay marriage become legal on his watch with his help. At the same time he doesn't have enough calls to veto it if it passes through the legislature. He's a big, fat p***y. A referendum will free him of any responsibility or tough choices.

118 palomino  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:50:47pm

re: #117 moderatelyradicalliberal

The real story here is that Chris Christi is a coward. If gay marriage passes, he wants to have nothing to do with it so that he won't have to run in 2016 as a Republican who had gay marriage become legal on his watch with his help. At the same time he doesn't have enough calls to veto it if it passes through the legislature. He's a big, fat p***y. A referendum will free him of any responsibility or tough choices.

No, that can't be true. He's the "straight talking honest Republican with integrity." Then again, I heard the same thing about Romney a few years ago.

You're right: he's a coward, and his analogy is so confused on a fundamental level, it's hard to believe he's the intellectual hope of the gop. This is why I don't think Christie is presidential material--he's not stupid, but he's also not as bright as his worshippers think. Moreover, he lacks discipline, loves to hear himself yell, and is something of a combative loose cannon; such a combination of character traits isn't usually a winner at the national level. In short, he's got the wrong temperament to be POTUS.

119 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:40:37pm

re: #113 okonkolo

Newark Mayor Corey Booker was asked about Christie's position and had this to say. It's worth a listen if you have four minutes.

Thanks for that, I really enjoyed listening to Mayor Booker. Awesome!

120 Severus  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:21:41am

The south lost the Civil War on the battlefield 150 years ago, but they are making progress towards victory today through the political process. States rights is now a very viable and attractive option to many voters who don't want to be told what to do by so ivy league liberal elites. They use the terms states rights and community standards to great effect. Whomever said the South will rise again knew what they were talking about. Funny thing is they still claim to be the party of Lincoln even as they follow the path of Lincoln's opponents.

121 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:58:33am

I posted about this a couple of days ago. He's using the idea of a referendum to outmaneuver the Democrats who were going to force him to take a stand on gay marriage in the state. He gets to avoid having to take the stand if it goes up for a referendum (and the lobbyists, PACs can organize to block the measure though it appears that there is sufficient support in the state to pass the measure). A veto of a gay rights bill would come back to hurt him in reelections (but would bolster him among the eyes of the GOP socons and TPers). Christie figures that this is going to eventually pass in New Jersey, and he doesn't want to ruin his street cred with the socons who are throwing their weight around in the GOP these days despite being out of touch with most American values. Thus, the referendum. His defense of the referendum is just flat out wrong.

Yet, there are prominent New Jersey Democrats who were unwilling to criticize the comments above (about the Civil Rights in the South) for what they were, including Newark Mayor Cory Booker.

That's just wrong.

122 Charleston Chew  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:02:23am

If there had been a national vote on civil rights, the results would have looked like this, with yellow states for it, green opposed, and red strongly opposed.

Image: 1968.election.map.gif


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