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Boehner Demands Medicare, Social Security And Medicaid Cuts To Raise Debt Limit
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Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) vowed on Monday that any increase in the debt limit would require cuts to the “mandatory side” of government spending.

“Now, it’s time to deal with the mandatory side,” Boehner told the crowd at a fundraiser for Rep. Mike Simpson (R-ID) in Boise, Idaho. “I’ve made it clear that we’re not going to increase the debt limit without cuts and reforms that are greater than the increase in the debt limit.”

“Mandatory” government spending includes Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and government pensions, all programs that benefit senior citizens who — according to a recent poll from Democracy Corps — have begun to turn against the GOP.

“The president doesn’t think this is fair, thinks I’m being difficult to deal with” Boehner said. “But I’ll say this: It may be unfair but what I’m trying to do here is to leverage the political process to produce more change than what it would produce if left to its own devices. We’re going to have a whale of a fight.”

The Speaker clearly wanted the Republican donors in the audience to think he’s preparing a debt limit fight reminiscent of the 2011 crisis that cost the United States its AAA credit rating, triggered losses of more than 2,000 points on Wall Street and will cost taxpayers an estimated $19 billion over 10 years.

“I wish I could tell you it was going to be pretty and polite, and it would all be finished a month before we’d ever get to the debt ceiling. Sorry, it just doesn’t work that way,” Boehner added. “If this were easy to do, somebody over the last 20 or 30 years would have gotten it done. We’re going to do it this fall.”

Apparently, the Speaker doesn’t remember that the budget was actually in a surplus just over a decade ago. That’s a memory he probably wants to block out, since he went along with George W. Bush’s agenda that helped turn that surplus into a deficit of over a trillion dollars as Bush left office. The budget deficit this year is projected to be about half the deficit President Obama inherited.

Business Insider’s Josh Barro points out that Boehner used a nearly identical line in December 2012 when talking about the debt limit: “Any debt limit increase would require cuts and reforms of a greater amount.” Republicans then quickly caved and raised the debt limit in exchange for the Senate passing a non-binding budget.

Secretary of the Treasury Jack Lew insisted on CNBC Tuesday morning that the president will not negotiate when it comes to the debt limit. He also said that the president would not accept any deal that defunds or delays Obamacare.

The Speaker’s latest comments could just be an attempt to distract members of his caucus who are intent on stopping Obamacare, as a ploy to keep the U.S. government open after September 30 — when the government runs out of current funding. Or he could be serious this time.

Regardless, the question remains whether he can get a majority of his caucus to go along with any plan that keeps the government functioning.

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201 comments
1 Joanne  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 5:31:39am

Republicans are never happy unless they’re scheming to screw over the average American. Senior, poor, whatever. Let them starve. Sick? Too bad, so sad. Let ‘em die. They should have gotten a job with better benefits. Lost your job? YOUR FAULT, YOU LAZY GIT!!11! Get another one. When you’re hungry enough, you’ll take anything.

Picture the world these people envision as utopia. It terrifies me. Because, I have to say, no social safety net threatens the lives of everyone. If you’re hungry and desperate enough, what would you do to eat? Steal? Kill? Do we step over the dying homeless, starving elderly masses?

The Republican Libertarian mindset is cruel, inhuman and scary as shit. Everyone gets old. There’s no cure for that.

2 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 5:34:28am

But GOP would never even think of ending the tax subsidy for obscene CEO pay.

3 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 6:44:56am

“the question remains whether he can get a majority of his caucus to go along with any plan that keeps the government functioning.”

He can’t, because the Tea Party won’t accept victory unless it is unconditional and absolute. Look at how upset they got when the Bush tax cuts were made permanent for everyone except for a tiny fraction of the richest Americans. This will force Boehner to suspend the Hastert Rule again and increase the debt limit with moderate GOP and Democratic votes, giving the Republicans less than they could’ve gotten if they were just willing to compromise. The President may help him save face, however, because his people also think entitlements should be reduced long term, and would like to make a deal to restore domestic discretionary spending to stimulate the economy in the short term. The question is can they design negotiations on the budget deal so that Boehner can claim to his caucus he made a deal negotiating about the debt limit and the President can claim he was negotiating a budget deal and not the debt limit. The Tea Party will hate it, and that might sink it, but then Boehner would be forced to raise the debt limit without a deal.

4 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 6:59:31am

I have a family member. He is on disability, gets Medicaid AND Medicare and even gets a small amount of SNAP benefits each month…but he’s also a die hard tea partier.

I have tried to explain to him how, in effect, he is working against his own best interests but he never believes me.

5 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:00:06am

Shorter Boeher: “Okay, we took care of the women and the minorities…what’s left to fuck up? That’s right…the geezer vote.”

6 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:00:11am

On another note: Why must every doctors office I visit down here have Fox News on?

7 b.d.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:02:02am

Please proceed Boney.

8 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:04:18am

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

On another note: Why must every doctors office I visit down here have Fox News on?

Keeps people stressed. Stressed people get sick. Sick people go to the doctor. Good for business.
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9 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:05:09am
10 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:06:55am
11 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:08:24am

The GOP” Because fuck everyone else.

12 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:10:58am
13 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:11:03am

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

I have a family member. He is on disability, gets Medicaid AND Medicare and even gets a small amount of SNAP benefits each month…but he’s also a die hard tea partier.

I have tried to explain to him how, in effect, he is working against his own best interests but he never believes me.

Blind Black Klansman: Youtube Video

14 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:11:34am
15 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:17:56am

re: #9 darthstar

I highly doubt Britain would join the US again in unilateral action this time around if the UN does not pass a resolution.

16 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:18:56am

Hey, I’m a senior and have been paying attention to these life-sucking bastards for years.

Know the real enemy of the people (it’s not your RW neighbor who’s in the same boat), and never get too comfortable. It saves your sanity in the long run and allows clear thinking. You may not be able to change everyone’s mind, but empathy is a great conversation starter to try getting your points across.

The one thing that has always mystified me is how Dems cannot take complete control of the narrative that seems to permeate RW thinking as it pertains to working people. Sure, some people revel in their ignorance, as we’ve seen in the TP, but only because the RW, now including their churches, appeals to their darkest inclinations, such as not automatically identifying with other races as working stiffs, and using cultural memes as dividers, reducing themselves to tribal thinking.

17 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:20:19am

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

On another note: Why must every doctors office I visit down here have Fox News on?

Fox News saved my life.

18 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:20:28am

I have been doing a lot of volunteering with a charity that my wife co-chairs. It’s purpose is to get heart-health evaluations to undeserved populations. We go out to somewhere like a church or community center, using them as our trusted local promoter, and give a small specific heart-health related checkup to all who come. They get to talk to a doctor at the end, and luckily the doctors who volunteer for this sort of thing tend to be good communicators.

We have the patients fill out a survey while they’re there, and one of the questions is about income level. Most of the people that we serve report incomes of between $5000-$20000 dollars a year with around $10000 being the most common. And this is in NYC, which is expensive even in the poor neighborhoods.

Many of these people are on medicare, which prompted one clueless med student to ask, “Wait, if they’re on medicare, why can’t they just go to the doctor and get a checkup?”

Assuming a bus or subway gets these elderly people within walking distance of their doctor, the cost of a that ticket is $2.50. $5 both ways.

When you only have $10,000 a year, $5 is a really significant percentage of that. You can’t just toss away $5 if you’re feeling more tired and run down than usual. You worry that maybe it’s you’re heart, but you have to do a sick calculus to figure out if you can afford to spend $5 on getting to the doctor. To make the appointment you have to use some of your phone minutes, which most of us take for granted, but for an elderly grandmother with seven kids and umpteen grandkids can be a big goddamn deal.

People really don’t realize how poor many of the poor are, and especially the elderly. Being poor when you’re young and physically fit still sucks terribly, but when I was flat broke at least I could walk to work when I couldn’t afford the fare.

If we spent more money taking care of the elderly in little ways like that and less money on last-ditch measures to prolong their lives when they’re suffering and diminished, we’d be a lot better off.

19 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:23:14am

Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

How about we cut military spending instead? That alone would solve many of our budget woes.

20 BongCrodny  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:25:25am

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

On another note: Why must every doctors office I visit down here have Fox News on?

Since I became one of the “permanently unemployed” (but, yeah, I’m still hoping!) a couple years ago, I’ve been getting what health care I need through the local VA office.

You would think that if there’s one place that would be safe from Fox News, it would be the VA — but you would be wrong.

21 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:27:19am

re: #20 BongCrodny

Since I became one of the “permanently unemployed” (but, yeah, I’m still hoping!) a couple years ago, I’ve been getting what health care I need through the local VA office.

You would think that if there’s one place that would be safe from Fox News, it would be the VA — but you would be wrong.

Maybe you could cook up a petition among your fellow sufferers to get admin to change the damn channel—movies, sports, or something other than the news? Or just ask to change it and see if that works first.

22 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:28:24am

re: #19 GlutenFreeJesus

Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

How about we cut military spending instead? That alone would solve many of our budget woes.

Seriously. I love how to Boehner and the rest of his party, we spend too much on social welfare type things but oh don’t bring up the defense budget which btw is more than the other top 12 countries combined. I don’t propose dramatic cuts but we can afford to cut some from our defense budget to fit the needs of our citizens and it says a lot about Boehner and his party that they don’t give two shits about the less well off.

23 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:30:32am

Retired geezer here. I’d do 3 months of beans and rice to see Boehner go for it. No better time than now.

24 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:30:45am

OT but I finally saw the new Gatsby adaptation last night. Not bad. I’d personally prefer that it stay true to Fitzgerald’s original more realist style but it wasn’t bad and if it got more people my age or close to it more interested in the Jazz Age and Jazz Age lit, that’s a good thing.

25 BongCrodny  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:36:26am

re: #21 Justanotherhuman

Maybe you could cook up a petition among your fellow sufferers to get admin to change the damn channel—movies, sports, or something other than the news? Or just ask to change it and see if that works first.

It’s a good idea, but the older vets seem to love it.

Fox News is just white noise to me, but I don’t (yet!) have to spend a lot of time at the VA clinic. It really wouldn’t be appropriate to tell the folks who are up there on a regular basis what they could or couldn’t watch.

26 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:40:18am

re: #19 GlutenFreeJesus

Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

How about we cut military spending instead? That alone would solve many of our budget woes.

One of the good things about sequester was that it hit the military pretty hard.

27 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:41:14am

re: #21 Justanotherhuman

Maybe you could cook up a petition among your fellow sufferers to get admin to change the damn channel—movies, sports, or something other than the news? Or just ask to change it and see if that works first.

OK, we are talking about old soldiers. Or course they are watching Fox News.

28 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:43:24am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Seriously. I love how to Boehner and the rest of his party, we spend too much on social welfare type things but oh don’t bring up the defense budget which btw is more than the other top 12 countries combined. I don’t propose dramatic cuts but we can afford to cut some from our defense budget to fit the needs of our citizens and it says a lot about Boehner and his party that they don’t give two shits about the less well off.

If they do cut military, it would invovle reducing veteran’s benefits or aid to military families…

29 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:47:30am
30 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:49:48am

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

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The RWNJ takeaway: OBAMA IS OUTSOURCING US PRODUCTION TO MEXICO!!!

31 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:51:28am

re: #30 Sol Berdinowitz

The RWNJ takeaway: OBAMA IS OUTSOURCING US PRODUCTION TO MEXICO!!!

Actually Ford is moving production from Mexico back to Michigan. YOONYUNZ!!11!!

32 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:52:23am

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

I have a family member. He is on disability, gets Medicaid AND Medicare and even gets a small amount of SNAP benefits each month…but he’s also a die hard tea partier.

I have a family member who retired from Ford (assembly line worker) at age 40 with a cadillac health care plan and full benefits. He listens to union-hating am hate radio all day and then during company tells us how Rush is wrong about unions, but he continues to support Rush’s idiocy.

33 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:53:23am

re: #32 Dr. Matt

I have a family member who retired from Ford (assembly line worker) at age 40 with a cadillac health care plan and full benefits. He listens to union-hating am hate radio all day and then during company tells us how Rush is wrong but unions, but he continues to support Rush’s idiocy.

Cognitive dissonance, how does it work?

34 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:53:27am

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

35 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:54:11am

As a Geography Major, I am crying in shame for my country.

36 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:55:05am

Ugh. Grayson isGG fanboy/Snowbagger? Very disappointing.

37 blueraven  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:57:36am

re: #36 Dr. Matt

Ugh. Grayson isGG fanboy/Snowbagger? Very disappointing.

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Really, are you surprised? Grayson has always been a far left flame thrower and this is exactly his speed.

38 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:57:52am

re: #33 Vicious Babushka

Cognitive dissonance, how does it work?

I only get up to the motherland of Michigan about once a year, so I’m a bit distant from much of my extended family. But it amazes me that so many of them are hardcore GOP twits. They actually complain about their POS union-hating Governor, but will bash Obama, libruls and Dems in the next moment. I can’t believe we share similar genetic profiles.

39 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:59:25am

re: #37 blueraven

Really, are you surprised? Grayson has always been a far left flame thrower and this is exactly his speed.

True. I guess I liked him because he was/is so good at hammering away at the Palin’s of the world. Moonbat meet Wingnut.

40 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:59:46am

re: #38 Dr. Matt

I only get up to the motherland of Michigan about once a year, so I’m a bit distant from much of my extended family. But it amazes me that so many of them are hardcore GOP twits. They actually complain about their POS union-hating Governor, but will bash Obama, libruls and Dems in the next moment. I can’t believe we share similar genetic profiles.

I have to live with a hardcore GOP twit who is on SS disability and Medicare, but who reads Ann Coulter books in the toilet. :(

41 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:00:39am

re: #35 ProTARDISLiberal

I ended up being 26 miles away. Not too shabby. Didn’t quite get far enough away from the Golan Heights and Kinneret.

42 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:01:30am

re: #37 blueraven

Really, are you surprised? Grayson has always been a far left flame thrower and this is exactly his speed.

This is not surprising.

43 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:02:31am

re: #41 lawhawk

I ended up being 26 miles away. Not too shabby. Didn’t quite get far enough away from the Golan Heights and Kinneret.

Why do you hate Nimrod’s Castle?

en.wikipedia.org

44 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:03:15am

re: #41 lawhawk

I ended up being 26 miles away. Not too shabby. Didn’t quite get far enough away from the Golan Heights and Kinneret.

I clicked on somewhere in Jordan. But when it asked to click on where I live, I think I clicked somewhere in Ohio.

That’s a big map and they don’t let you zoom in.

45 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:03:46am

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

I have to live with a hardcore GOP twit who is on SS disability and Medicare, but who reads Ann Coulter books in the toilet. :(

My brother is a unionized postal worker, an atheist, and a wingnut. Go figure.

46 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:04:30am

re: #45 aagcobb

My brother is a unionized postal worker, an atheist, and a wingnut. Go figure.

People do not conform to stereotypes. What a surprise.

47 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:04:32am

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

I went and tried a second time, but was able to zoom in more, so got much more detail than the first time. At the zoomed in level, you can make out Damascus as a sprawling metropolis compared with the largely deserted surrounding areas.

48 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:04:50am

re: #41 lawhawk

Nice job. I was 87 miles away. As Rick Perry would say, “whoops”.

49 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:05:07am

re: #45 aagcobb

My brother is a unionized postal worker, an atheist, and a wingnut. Go figure.

Walkn’ Talkn’ Fool.

50 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:05:25am

re: #41 lawhawk

I was worse.

Ended up in Hama. Issue being that I was looking for some sort of geographical marker to signal where which of the cities was Damascus.

Need to sharpen myself.

51 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:06:56am

re: #47 lawhawk

I went and tried a second time, but was able to zoom in more, so got much more detail than the first time. At the zoomed in level, you can make out Damascus as a sprawling metropolis compared with the largely deserted surrounding areas.

Second time I got within 36 miles without zooming.

52 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:07:27am

re: #50 ProTARDISLiberal

I was worse.

Ended up in Hama. Issue being that I was looking for some sort of geographical marker to signal where which of the cities was Damascus.

Need to sharpen myself.

You’re ok. Several people selected France.

53 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:08:42am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

You’re ok. Several people selected France.

Accidentally?

54 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:09:52am

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Could be French-hating wingnuts.

55 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:10:26am

re: #41 lawhawk

re: #43 Decatur Deb

Off by 66 miles to the north.

56 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:11:47am

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

I stand with @ggreenwald. Do you? t.co #StandWithGlenn
— Rep. Alan Grayson (@AlanGrayson) August 20, 2013

Thanks. Another person to unfollow.

57 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:13:01am
58 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:13:47am

Wait, is this the same RWNJ party that yelled loudly during two elections about Obamacare cutting Medicare and how that was bad?

59 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:13:50am

re: #57 Vicious Babushka

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we need to get the word out that this fellow is GOP mainstream, not an outlier.

60 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:14:41am

re: #55 Bubblehead II

Off by 66 miles to the north.

You bomb what you want to bomb, and I’ll bomb what I want to bomb, as long as something gets bombed.

61 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:14:47am

re: #56 Dr. Matt

I always like when people provide helpful derp like this so we can make appropriate follow/unfollow decisions.

62 Robert O.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:16:55am

Naturally, one can never trust a Republican on anything to do with protecting people’s general welfare.

Nevertheless, I am actually not opposed to reforming Medicare and similar programs. The bottom line is the population is aging, the pyramid is going to become top heavy, people live longer, but generally start work later in life because a university degree is now virtually a necessity. Given the chance, the GOP would simply destroy Medicare or look for an opportunity to privatize the whole thing. The pragmatic option for me is to reform these programs so that the basic ratio of dependent vs. working stays the same so the programs are long-term sustainable. e.g., if people are going to live to 85 on average vs 75 before, then they should expect to work a few years longer and not be receiving Medicare and pensions until later. Of course, this has to be tied in with reform of labor laws so people do end up working the same percentage of their life expectancy.

63 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:18:19am

Well, today is a weird day. Took the day off initially to go to NJ shore to see my 2 step-brothers and meander around whatever boardwalk is still there. But it turns out my brothers were only going to be at the shore till about 3 pm and in the meantime I scheduled some junk haulers to come take away some of my crap. Long story short, still taking the day off but staying at home. Oh well. Looking forward to start of college football tonight.

64 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:19:18am

Well, first of all, the assumption is that “we” are going to bomb…

Secondly, the first time I was 137 mi away, and after 2 more tries, gave up trying to get that little hand to position right (closest I got was 87 mi).

I’m not even sure I live in NC anymore, either. : )

65 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:19:33am

DF sent me something last night, wondering if it might be worth a page.

66 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:19:43am

re: #41 lawhawk

I ended up being 26 miles away. Not too shabby. Didn’t quite get far enough away from the Golan Heights and Kinneret.

93 miles here.

67 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:19:44am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

That’s nothing. There’s someone who picked the middle of the US. A few others picked China or the Korean peninsula. Heck, more than a few picked the Arabian peninsula. Or Iran.

But most folks were in the vicinity of Syria give or take a few hundred miles.

68 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:19:54am

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

I eventually got it down to 2 miles.

69 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:21:16am

Oh, Head Office is on cable. Watching. Before there was Office Space, before there was The Office, there was Head Office.

70 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:22:59am

It was pretty embarassing though reading the poll that asked Americans where Benghazi was though. I mean damn it if you’re going to huff and puff, at least know where you’re huffing and puffing.

71 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:23:42am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I knew where we were talking about. Shorelines make it much easier.

72 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:24:32am

re: #71 ProTARDISLiberal

I knew where we were talking about. Shorelines make it much easier.

I probably wouldn’t be able to locate it exactly but I could still tell you that Bengazi is A) in Libya and B) not Libya’s capital.

73 kirkspencer  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:25:12am

re: #62 Robert O.

Naturally, one can never trust a Republican on anything to do with protecting people’s general welfare.

Nevertheless, I am actually not opposed to reforming Medicare and similar programs. The bottom line is the population is aging, the pyramid is going to become top heavy, people live longer, but generally start work later in life because a university degree is now virtually a necessity. Given the chance, the GOP would simply destroy Medicare or look for an opportunity to privatize the whole thing. The pragmatic option for me is to reform these programs so that the basic ratio of dependent vs. working stays the same so the programs are long-term sustainable. e.g., if people are going to live to 85 on average vs 75 before, then they should expect to work a few years longer and not be receiving Medicare and pensions until later. Of course, this has to be tied in with reform of labor laws so people do end up working the same percentage of their life expectancy.

Actually, what I want is for people to actually research and pay attention to the system as designed rather than making blithe statements such as above.

I don’t like Reagan but one of the things done was to ‘tweak’ the system to cope with that top-heaviness.

There’s also the issue of living and working longer. Let’s assume you’re talking about a long-range truck driver. Think, for a moment, of the joy of requiring someone to continue driving a large semi when he’s 70. What’s the increased expectation of death and property damage? Another: if you do the breakdowns you discover that heavier labor jobs (miners, construction workers, etc) don’t have as much of an extended lifespan. As a result your proposal for them is “work till you die.”

FWIW, the ‘tweak’ I prefer is to remove or at least raise the cut-off line for the social security wage base limit.

74 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:27:24am

re: #37 blueraven

Really, are you surprised? Grayson has always been a far left flame thrower and this is exactly his speed.

I am not. I liked some of the things Grayson has said but at his core, he pretty much acts like a lefty Bachmann. Throws bombs but never solutions. Course the difference is that in his party, he’s rare whereas Bachmann is common place.

75 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:33:25am

re: #57 Vicious Babushka

FORCED to have children? WTF. Last I checked women have their own autonomy and agency. Fuck you if I don’t want my body to be used to breed against my will.

76 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:36:50am

Hardest map quiz I ever had though- locating Chinese cities and rivers on a map. I took two Chinese history courses with the same professor and both times as a preliminary sort of thing, he’d have us locate the major cities, provinces, and rivers of China. That was tough. I think in part since Chinese place names are so hard to pronounce.

77 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:39:01am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Hardest map quiz I ever had though- locating Chinese cities and rivers on a map. I took two Chinese history courses with the same professor and both times as a preliminary sort of thing, he’d have us locate the major cities, provinces, and rivers of China. That was tough. I think in part since Chinese place names are so hard to pronounce.

Finding stuff on an unmarked map is hard even if you live in the vicinity.

I’d probably suck at filling in all the suburbs around Detroit if I had to do it on an unlabeled map.

78 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:41:37am

re: #61 Bulworth

I always like when people provide helpful derp like this so we can make appropriate follow/unfollow decisions.

Ditto. I unfollowed two people today thanks to their Derp.

79 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:41:42am

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

I have to live with a hardcore GOP twit who is on SS disability and Medicare, but who reads Ann Coulter books in the toilet. :(

Don’t they get wet?
;P

80 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:42:42am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

Finding stuff on an unmarked map is hard even if you live in the vicinity.

I’d probably suck at filling in all the suburbs around Detroit if I had to do it on an unlabeled map.

Yeah and on that note, here’s an interesting game. You basically get a random google map image and you have to locate where on the map it is. Closest I’ve gotten is 2KM.
geoguessr.com

81 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:44:04am

re: #75 Lidane

FORCED to have children? WTF. Last I checked women have their own autonomy and agency. Fuck you if I don’t want my body to be used to breed against my will.

And the sick irony is he probably attacks the President and left and calls himself a champion of individual rights. I can think of no further way to deny someone individual rights then telling them that they must be forced to be pregnant perpetually. But then again I’m not a Republican psychopath.

82 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:49:52am

re: #62 Robert O.

Naturally, one can never trust a Republican on anything to do with protecting people’s general welfare.

Nevertheless, I am actually not opposed to reforming Medicare and similar programs. The bottom line is the population is aging, the pyramid is going to become top heavy, people live longer, but generally start work later in life because a university degree is now virtually a necessity. Given the chance, the GOP would simply destroy Medicare or look for an opportunity to privatize the whole thing. The pragmatic option for me is to reform these programs so that the basic ratio of dependent vs. working stays the same so the programs are long-term sustainable. e.g., if people are going to live to 85 on average vs 75 before, then they should expect to work a few years longer and not be receiving Medicare and pensions until later. Of course, this has to be tied in with reform of labor laws so people do end up working the same percentage of their life expectancy.

Yeah, for people of my generation, it wasn’t unusual to go to work during HS PT and into the labor force directly after HS. Families were even started much earlier than they are now, in general. I started working at 14 PT and FT at 17, and never was out of work more than a few months at a time. You’d think with a 45 yr history of work, I’d be raking in the SS, but you would be wrong. Still, at slightly lower than the average SS check, it’s more than my grandson makes at a minimum wage job. Even 20-somethings who qualify for disability can draw a larger SS check than many of us older folks on SS. I had a neighbor who was barely 30 who did. But that’s OK; before she qualified, she had been installing fiber optic cables in NYC for $100K/yr and was in NYC during 9/11. Her apt was contaminated, she received $5K and left the city. But her disability wasn’t due to 9/11, it was genetic heart disease (for which she had a pacemaker) and lupus. Unfortunately, she got hooked on oxycontin, which I wouldn’t wish on anyone. OTOH, I’m in pretty good health for an old lady but that didn’t mean I wanted to work for the rest of my life.

Like others of my generation, I elected to draw early SS during the Bush era because we didn’t know what his admin might try in cutting benefits, etc. I continued to work a couple of years after that, and some worked to also receive the health ins benefits because Medicare didn’t kick in until we were 65. And, unless you can keep up your high wage earnings, which I couldn’t after I turned 50, your benefits are going to suffer as well. I turned to retail, which slashed my wages considerably, during the late 90s because I could no longer compete with younger people in my chosen occupation.

Every case is different because our lives are all different. You might be able to sit at a desk until you croak or develop dementia, but certainly there are physically demanding jobs that drain one’s health and those people should not be forced to work longer when they simply cannot do it.

83 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:50:07am


Derptastic.

Let’s just ignore that Congress chose to go into recess. It could choose to come out, House GOPers could move to reconvene.

But let’s ignore that bit. The House and Senate leaders are being briefed about the situation on a regular basis. It’s not like they’re in the dark about events.

Besides, Cruz gets to derp to anyone and everyone he likes to - making public pronouncements to his heart’s content about how awful Obama is and how badly he’s handling the situation, without offering any actual alternatives that make sense.

And would he really want to be in the British Parliament? He’d be a back bencher with limited say or pull. Heh.

84 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:51:13am

Finding a city on a borderless map? Welp, there’s a new one. Anyway. It barely loaded on my mobile connx. Gave up and clicked and got 260 miles. Close enough for jazz.

85 kirkspencer  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:52:27am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Hardest map quiz I ever had though- locating Chinese cities and rivers on a map. I took two Chinese history courses with the same professor and both times as a preliminary sort of thing, he’d have us locate the major cities, provinces, and rivers of China. That was tough. I think in part since Chinese place names are so hard to pronounce.

Junior High, 7th grade and 8th grade, I had this ‘advanced’ geography class. Among other things, every chapter (region or nation)’s homework included making a map that included cities, major rivers, significant topological features, etc. The chapter test would include putting ten things from that list on a blank map (only the outline of country/nation on the sheet). Note, not labeling existing parts, but drawing rivers or placing cities. You were allowed some slack - it being some 40 years ago I don’t recall how much there was, but we were not expected to be perfect cartographers.

86 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:53:15am

re: #83 lawhawk

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Derptastic.

Let’s just ignore that Congress chose to go into recess. It could choose to come out, House GOPers could move to reconvene.

But let’s ignore that bit. The House and Senate leaders are being briefed about the situation on a regular basis. It’s not like they’re in the dark about events.

Besides, Cruz gets to derp to anyone and everyone he likes to - making public pronouncements to his heart’s content about how awful Obama is and how badly he’s handling the situation, without offering any actual alternatives that make sense.

And would he really want to be in the British Parliament? He’d be a back bencher with limited say or pull. Heh.

I actually agree with him but maybe if his party and himself weren’t so focused on repealing ACA…………. So he should talk to himself and his own party before acting all self-righteous about this.

87 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:53:17am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Yeah and on that note, here’s an interesting game. You basically get a random google map image and you have to locate where on the map it is. Closest I’ve gotten is 2KM.
geoguessr.com

That was pretty cool. I got 10567 points in first round. Probably a sucky score but the game was fun to try and figure out where you were.

88 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:54:12am

re: #85 kirkspencer

Junior High, 7th grade and 8th grade, I had this ‘advanced’ geography class. Among other things, every chapter (region or nation)’s homework included making a map that included cities, major rivers, significant topological features, etc. The chapter test would include putting ten things from that list on a blank map (only the outline of country/nation on the sheet). Note, not labeling existing parts, but drawing rivers or placing cities. You were allowed some slack - it being some 40 years ago I don’t recall how much there was, but we were not expected to be perfect cartographers.

I hated those type of quizzes. I mean, I’ve got pretty good geographical skills but I don’t think forcing someone to locate things on a blank map helps you learn it at all.

89 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:55:07am

re: #87 Eventual Carrion

That was pretty cool. I got 10567 points in first round. Probably a sucky score but the game was fun to try and figure out where you were.

Yeah it’s very addicting. I like looking for context clues. And if I see an advertisement or a place of business, I try to find where that is on google maps and locate it from tehre.

90 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:56:44am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s very addicting. I like looking for context clues. And if I see an advertisement or a place of business, I try to find where that is on google maps and locate it from tehre.

I just tried it and got plunked down on some country road in the middle of freaking nowhere. There were a bunch of pine trees, so I guessed I was in Canada. Turned out to be Finland.

91 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:57:53am

re: #88 HappyWarrior

I hated those type of quizzes. I mean, I’ve got pretty good geographical skills but I don’t think forcing someone to locate things on a blank map helps you learn it at all.

I’m sure it would benefit more visually minded learners, but I also think it would frustrate more kids than it would help.

92 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:58:38am

re: #90 Vicious Babushka

I just tried it and got plunked down on some country road in the middle of freaking nowhere. There were a bunch of pine trees, so I guessed I was in Canada. Turned out to be Finland.

Yeah it does that. I’ve had numerous incidents where I thought it was the southwest of the US and turns out Australia. I’m not surprised though that you would have Canada in for Finland since I imagine the tree life there is similar.

93 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:59:50am

re: #91 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m sure it would benefit more visually minded learners, but I also think it would frustrate more kids than it would help.

I dunno. I’m very visual. I guess I just struggle with a complete blank. I don’t mind it as a preliminary sort of thing though. The most helpful part of the quiz in my Chinese history class though was learning to pronounce the names though.

94 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:00:10am

re: #83 lawhawk

Fuck him and the rest of the GOP.

If those assholes actually did their damn jobs instead of dithering over a DOA series of Obamacare repeals things would be different.

95 brennant  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:05:54am
96 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:09:36am

re: #92 HappyWarrior

Yeah it does that. I’ve had numerous incidents where I thought it was the southwest of the US and turns out Australia. I’m not surprised though that you would have Canada in for Finland since I imagine the tree life there is similar.

I tried it again. I got a photo of some nice houses that looked like an upscale neighborhood in the U.S. but I zoomed in on some street signs and they were in Chinese!

I just guessed somewhere in China, it was Gwangdong.

97 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:10:06am

Australia, Japan and the UK all have left-side driving.

98 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:11:51am

LET IT DIE.
Oh and, CEO’s killed Twinkies in order to give themselves a big raise, and blamed TEH YOONYUNZ.

99 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:13:28am
100 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:14:34am

How can Russia be in cahoots with Iran and yet still purport to be an American ally at the same time?

101 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:16:47am

re: #100 Eclectic Cyborg

How can Russia be in cahoots with Iran and yet still purport to be an American ally at the same time?

Does Russia purport to be an American ally? I was of the impression that they like to play a diplomatic game of “I sort of like you but I sort of don’t like you.” It reminds me of a kid my kid brother knows who claims that’s the way to get girls.

102 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:17:29am

I never eat at fast food restaurants. I never eat at restaurants either, although I do like to eat out at a nice place when we visit Toronto.

Zedushka grumbles “Why would you eat out in a restaurant when you can make the same food at home?”

I said, “THAT’S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF EATING OUT!”

103 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:17:30am

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

I have to live with a hardcore GOP twit who is on SS disability and Medicare, but who reads Ann Coulter books in the toilet. :(

All I’m saying is that it’s never a bad idea to have some extra paper on hand…

104 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:17:54am

re: #96 Vicious Babushka

I tried it again. I got a photo of some nice houses that looked like an upscale neighborhood in the U.S. but I zoomed in on some street signs and they were in Chinese!

I just guessed somewhere in China, it was Gwangdong.

Cool. I notice that sometimes with Russian. Of course, since Russia is so damn big, it’s locating that’s an issue and sometimes what looks Russian is actually in Ukraine or Belarus.

105 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:24:21am

re: #95 brennant

Syria, Iran threaten retaliation; Russia sends warships

Scary stuff.

I don’t think Pres Obama is going to leap into anything.

And Pres Obama will be at the G-20 next week. I don’t think Putin wants to screw it up: g20.org

106 kirkspencer  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:25:30am

re: #88 HappyWarrior

I hated those type of quizzes. I mean, I’ve got pretty good geographical skills but I don’t think forcing someone to locate things on a blank map helps you learn it at all.

If you actually drew the things as the teacher required and did the rest of the homework it got pretty easy.

Digression: That class is the class where I learned more than any other class. And I speak as someone with advanced degree and a bit of educational breadth. Every so often I ridicule it, and then I go back and realize what he did was SMART — and I keep thinking that if we ever get to online courses it’s the way it’ll be.

A trio of examples. First, that map. You’d draw a map at the beginning of the chapter - literally the first piece of homework every chapter. During the week you’d be required to update the map based on things from the day’s lecture and/or other homework. If your map was in error you’d fix it till it met the requirement. Two days before the test you’d do the map test except you’d get 30 or so items to put on it - and you’d have it back the next day, with corrections noted, so you could study for the test. Oh, the ten for the test would be from the 30 you did.

Second. The homework for every day other included an outline of the required reading. So if you had to read pages 100-105, you turned in an outline for 100-105.

Third, and here’s the one that I’ve come to realize as genius, sounds bad. You listened to a recording for the day’s lecture. See, you’d walk into class. The day’s instructions and announcements would be on the blackboard. If there were handouts other than tests they’d be on the desk already - that included the graded homework. So you put your homework in the basket, walked to your desk, pulled out your notebook and copied down the relevant notes, took a look at your homework and tucked it away. Mr. Grant would tell everyone to put on their headset, he’d look around, start the reel-to-reel player going, and we’d listen to the broadcast lecture (and better be taking notes).

Genius time. See, what happened was that he’d pull students - one at a time usually, sometimes small groups - and go through the problem areas they’d had in their homework. So if you were having problems you got specific personal assistance, while the rest of the class got the subject lecture. The lecture was fairly important, and the notes you took were important as well, since it was supplemental.

Yeah, supplemental to the book. We’d get descriptions of markets or countryside. We’d get political structures and monetary systems and sights. Many of which, it turned out, were based on personal observations since Mr. Grant had traveled the world a bit.

If you were one of the students who had a problem he’d note you missed that part of the lecture and you got a pass on the relevant sections of the test. (He had it timed - amazing man.) Provided, that is, that you only needed a quarter hour or less. If it went longer he’d have you come in during ‘free’ hour and listen to the part of the lecture you missed. Oh - you could do that anyway, and some of us did.

But the big thing was that if you had problems - say, with the map - you got assistance. His expectation was that you signed up for the class (as I said, an advanced class) to learn, and he’d do everything he could to maximize your learning.

And even the Big Deal classes of my master’s degree didn’t teach me as much.

107 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:26:33am

On the lighter side of things:

Proof —-> cracktwo.com

108 kirkspencer  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:26:57am

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

I never eat at fast food restaurants. I never eat at restaurants either, although I do like to eat out at a nice place when we visit Toronto.

Zedushka grumbles “Why would you eat out in a restaurant when you can make the same food at home?”

I said, “THAT’S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF EATING OUT!”

Or as I say, “So you’re cooking now?”

109 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:29:10am

re: #48 Dr. Matt

Nice job. I was 87 miles away. As Rick Perry would say, “whoops”.

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Twelve miles. Oh, yeah!

110 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:30:11am

re: #107 Dr. Matt

On the lighter side of things:

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Proof —-> cracktwo.com

LOL…great, now I have to watch South Park more carefully.

111 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:30:45am

re: #107 Dr. Matt

On the lighter side of things:

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Proof —-> cracktwo.com

Cool, I like neat little easter eggs like that.

112 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:35:46am

Because football season is about to start and it’s Labor Day Weekend, have some profane, sarcastic sports rants about Why Your Team Sucks, courtesy of Deadspin:

deadspin.com

I am far too amused by this. Reading his rants for each team is making my day go by quickly.

113 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:36:33am

WTF?

114 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:38:16am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Yeah and on that note, here’s an interesting game. You basically get a random google map image and you have to locate where on the map it is. Closest I’ve gotten is 2KM.
geoguessr.com

I got 10,094 points in my first game: Top it!

url.geoguessr.com

115 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:42:07am

re: #113 NJDhockeyfan

WTF?

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Can’t twerk your way through their VMAs.

116 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:44:56am
117 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:46:12am

Hurr durr:

118 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:46:55am

re: #116 darthstar

Heh. I know the feeling. I used to subscribe to Wired back when it frst came out.

119 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:47:53am

re: #114 aagcobb

I got 10,094 points in my first game: Top it!

url.geoguessr.com

8756. Good job.

120 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:49:50am

re: #114 aagcobb

I got 10,094 points in my first game: Top it!

url.geoguessr.com

I’m geographically challenged, with 8530 pts. But at least I was on the correct continent 95% of the time. : )

121 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:51:57am

re: #117 Lidane

Hurr durr:

[Embedded content]Who will hold the FBI to account for its role in the Fort Hood Massacre?

The head of the FBI, and his boss, and his boss, the Prez. Bullshit question.

I was about to subscribe to MJ after the 47% reveal—some of the founders are relics from my old favorite Ramparts. Not now.

122 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:52:33am

re: #118 Lidane

Heh. I know the feeling. I used to subscribe to Wired back when it frst came out.

Back when people actually used wires.

123 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:54:20am

buzzfeed.com
I like this list since I was 12 in 1999, the same age my brother is now. And it’s just wow. And I assume even more wow for those of you who may have been 12 in ‘87 and beyond.

124 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:54:22am
125 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:54:32am

re: #122 darthstar

Back when people actually used wires.

That too. Also back when people actually bought magazines. Heh.

126 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:55:54am

re: #124 Gus

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Yeah but Russia’s such a land of freedom since they criminalize the gay.

127 kirkspencer  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:56:01am

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

I’m geographically challenged, with 8530 pts. But at least I was on the correct continent 95% of the time. : )

I didn’t look at my first points though I suspect they were very, very low. I picked middle England, it was southeastern Australia.

128 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:57:28am
129 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:58:20am

re: #128 makeitstop

Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans 8 years ago today.

How time flies.

That means two years till my first high school reunion. And yeah yikes I had just turned 18.

130 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:58:44am
131 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:58:46am

re: #121 Decatur Deb

The head of the FBI, and his boss, and his boss, the Prez. Bullshit question.

I was about to subscribe to MJ after the 47% reveal—some of the founders are relics from my old favorite Ramparts. Not now.

They’ve gone full on metal Dudebro.

132 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:01:57am

re: #128 makeitstop

Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans 8 years ago today.

How time flies.

Article doesn’t mention the total population shift from then to now. Our Alabama town’s Habitat built homes with 25 families who are not going back.

133 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:04:11am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Yeah and on that note, here’s an interesting game. You basically get a random google map image and you have to locate where on the map it is. Closest I’ve gotten is 2KM.
geoguessr.com

That’s a fun site. I’ve gotten 2-3 with a couple of kilometers due to the site being well-known (Lenin’s Tomb), or having actually been there (recognized spots I’d driven through in PA and MO.)

134 blueraven  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:04:12am

re: #114 aagcobb

I got 10,094 points in my first game: Top it!

url.geoguessr.com

Challenge game finished!
You won the challenge with 10340 points against 10094.

url.geoguessr.com

Next!

135 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:04:39am
136 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:05:20am
137 Mattand  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:06:23am

re: #112 Lidane

Because football season is about to start and it’s Labor Day Weekend, have some profane, sarcastic sports rants about Why Your Team Sucks, courtesy of Deadspin:

deadspin.com

I am far too amused by this. Reading his rants for each team is making my day go by quickly.

It doesn’t look the 2013 entry for the Eagles is up, but I did find the 2012 one.

Oh. Em. Gee. I’ve been laughing my ass off for the last 20 minutes at the e-mail comments. Totally encapsulates my love/hate/ambivalence of being an Eagles fan.

138 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:06:49am

re: #136 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Image: icqIc69.png

That’s what it looks like when Labor is divorced from the means of production.

139 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:07:12am

re: #132 Decatur Deb

Article doesn’t mention the total population shift from then to now. Our Alabama town’s Habitat built homes with 25 families who are not going back.

My neighbor went from Lower 9th to Houston to El Paso to here in NM. She ain’t going back. She was planning to move before Katrina hit.

140 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:08:14am

re: #136 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Image: icqIc69.png

This is exactly why we need more labor friendly policies. Policies have favored management at the expense of labor for the past four decades and that’s something that needs to change.

141 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:09:07am

re: #133 Feline Fearless Leader

That’s a fun site. I’ve gotten 2-3 with a couple of kilometers due to the site being well-known (Lenin’s Tomb), or having actually been there (recognized spots I’d driven through in PA and MO.)

Yeah I got Fort Sumter on it once. There was another time where there was a mom and pop store and I located where in Scotland it was. Glad you enjoyed the site. It’s fun.

142 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:09:09am

re: #139 wrenchwench

My neighbor went from Lower 9th to Houston to El Paso to here in NM. She ain’t going back. She was planning to move before Katrina hit.

Was hoping to see a measurable improvement in our food and music scenes. We got the only NO bailouts who can’t cook or play.

143 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:09:29am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

This is exactly why we need more labor friendly policies. Policies have favored management at the expense of labor for the past four decades and that’s something that needs to change.

Imagine how horrible it would be if the minimum wage was $16— corporations could be making the same profits as they did in the ’50s, the supposedly bucolic time period, and people would have shitloads more money to spend in the domestic economy.

144 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:09:33am

re: #90 Vicious Babushka

I just tried it and got plunked down on some country road in the middle of freaking nowhere. There were a bunch of pine trees, so I guessed I was in Canada. Turned out to be Finland.

I get that as well - which is still sort of educational in showing how common certain environmental features are in; e.g. pine forests and certain plant types.

I tend to guess the Ukraine or somewhere in the Balkans when I get hung up. And then often end up massively wrong. Though I guessed Croatia for one and ended up within 35 km.

145 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:09:35am

re: #138 Decatur Deb

That’s what it looks like when Labor is divorced from the means of production.

Wingnuts are all derping today about the fast-food workers strike, how the burger flippers are all a bunch of losers who don’t deserve to be paid any more, that the price of a burger will be $20, that YOONYUNZ are destroying America, yada yada.

Meanwhile the CEO of McDonald’s gets $27 million.

146 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:10:32am

re: #145 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are all derping today about the fast-food workers strike, how the burger flippers are all a bunch of losers who don’t deserve to be paid any more, that the price of a burger will be $20, that YOONYUNZ are destroying America, yada yada.

Meanwhile the CEO of McDonald’s gets $27 million.

If the strikers would organize a nation-wide electronic picket line, I would honor it.

147 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:10:53am

re: #142 Decatur Deb

Was hoping to see a measurable improvement in our food and music scenes. We got the only NO bailouts who can’t cook or play.

My neighbor makes excellent gumbo! I’d never had it before. As for music, she likes Beyonce. Oh, well.

148 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:10:59am

re: #97 Vicious Babushka

Australia, Japan and the UK all have left-side driving.

Malaysia too.

149 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:11:49am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

If the strikers would organize a nation-wide electronic picket line, I would honor it.

I never eat at fast food places anywhere (except for Moshiko’s falafal stand in Jerusalem) so boycotting them today isn’t really saying much.

150 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:11:57am

re: #143 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Imagine how horrible it would be if the minimum wage was $16— corporations could be making the same profits as they did in the ’50s, the supposedly bucolic time period, and people would have shitloads more money to spend in the domestic economy.

Just awful but yep good points made about the 50’s. The other point worth making about the 50’s is that this was a time where the wealthy were taxed much more heavily than they are now and we also cut defense spending and this was the early years of the Cold War. We really do need to have policies that encourage better wages because as you say more money to spend on the domestic economy is a good thing.

151 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:13:20am

re: #149 Vicious Babushka

I never eat at fast food places anywhere (except for Moshiko’s falafal stand in Jerusalem) so boycotting them today isn’t really saying much.

When traveling, wife is passionately committed to Mickey D’s restrooms.

152 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:13:59am

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

I’m geographically challenged, with 8530 pts. But at least I was on the correct continent 95% of the time. : )

url.geoguessr.com

I did very well in getting the latitude right, but not necessarily the continent.

153 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:14:49am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

When traveling, wife is passionately committed to Mickey D’s restrooms.

When traveling, we always sample the rest stop coffee.

154 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:15:07am

I think someone here posted a link not too long ago that showed what would happen if fast food companies had to increase their workers pay to say 10 dollars. It would mean that the price of a burger combo would go up 25 cents or so. Maybe it’s just me but I’m willing to pay a little more so people can live a little better. Companies that refuse to increase employee wages on the pretext that it will just skyrocket prices are deluding the public. Yeah a huge increase would do that but a reasonable increase in line with past policy would work too.

155 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:16:15am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

When traveling, wife is passionately committed to Mickey D’s restrooms.

When traveling, Mr. w likes everything about McDonald’s. I’ve seen people pull up and park, go in and use the restroom, come out and make lunch from out of their trunk.

156 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:16:29am

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

When traveling, we always sample the rest stop coffee.

Yankee government rest stops are the thin edge of the socialist wedge.

157 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:16:54am

Henry Ford may have been a rabid antisemitic asshole but he understood unlike many big businessmen of today that you want your employees to be able to be consumers too. The guys who run Costco get that. I wish more businessmen got that rather than just seeing their personal profits as the ultimate goal. There’s a good quote and I’ve seen it posted here by Lincoln about how labor’s well being is much more important than capital’s.

158 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:17:26am

Black budget just revealed. Snowden.

washingtonpost.com

159 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:18:26am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I think someone here posted a link not too long ago that showed what would happen if fast food companies had to increase their workers pay to say 10 dollars. It would mean that the price of a burger combo would go up 25 cents or so. Maybe it’s just me but I’m willing to pay a little more so people can live a little better. Companies that refuse to increase employee wages on the pretext that it will just skyrocket prices are deluding the public. Yeah a huge increase would do that but a reasonable increase in line with past policy would work too.

If the price of a burger goes up it has nothing to do with employees being paid more, it has to do with the CEO’s getting paid more.

160 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:19:08am

re: #155 wrenchwench

When traveling, Mr. w likes everything about McDonald’s. I’ve seen people pull up and park, go in and use the restroom, come out and make lunch from out of their trunk.

They always seem to have something worthwhile on their menu, and they’re good about nutritional info. Their stab at becoming a micro-Starbucks is pitiable. Minimum wage kids don’t transition well from the deep fryer to the gruppo.

161 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:19:44am

re: #159 Vicious Babushka

If the price of a burger goes up it has nothing to do with employees being paid more, it has to do with the CEO’s getting paid more.

Right and honestly I get much more upset about a CEO who gives himself a bonus some 10 times the median income than workers who just want to be able to provide for their families. It’s maddening to see middle class Americans sympathize with the former rather than the latter but unfortunately a lot of people have bought the right wing myths about labor unions and what they fight for.

162 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:19:56am

re: #156 Decatur Deb

Yankee government rest stops are the thin edge of the socialist wedge.

You can’t call yourself a world traveler until you’ve experienced the
Vince Lombardi Service Area on Rte 95 in New Jersey!!

163 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:21:14am

re: #162 sattv4u2

You can’t call yourself a world traveler until you’ve experienced the
Vince Lombardi Service Area on Rte 95 in New Jersey!!

Pfft. The Joyce Kilmer is much classier.

164 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:21:16am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Right and honestly I get much more upset about a CEO who gives himself a bonus some 10 times the median income than workers who just want to be able to provide for their families. It’s maddening to see middle class Americans sympathize with the former rather than the latter but unfortunately a lot of people have bought the right wing myths about labor unions and what they fight for.

The whole CEO pay scheme is a scam concocted by one consulting firm.

165 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:21:46am

re: #149 Vicious Babushka

I never eat at fast food places anywhere (except for Moshiko’s falafal stand in Jerusalem) so boycotting them today isn’t really saying much.

This is from Feb 2012 (w/2011 figures).

America’s Highest-Grossing Fast-Food Chains
McDonald’s, Subway, Burger King, and more of the highest-earning chains in the nation

thedailymeal.com

Tens of millions of Americans eat at these places every single day.

166 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:21:48am
167 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:22:35am

re: #163 Decatur Deb

Pfft. The Joyce Kilmer is much classier.

I prefer the Molly Pitcher service area.

168 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:23:19am

re: #166 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

I wish Galloway would just go away. That guy has never met a Middle Eastern dictatorship he hasn’t liked.

169 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:23:42am

re: #158 Gus

Black budget just revealed. Snowden.

washingtonpost.com

Huh. Proportionally lower than during the cold war. I wouldn’t have figured that.

Yeah, look at that out-of-control intelligence agency, just growing and shrinking and growing wait a minute.

I really don’t get the objection to espionage. It can help prevent wars if you actually do it right. It seems a very distant dream that nations will become so diplomatically entwined that they’ll give up espionage.

170 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:23:51am

re: #165 Justanotherhuman

This is from Feb 2012 (w/2011 figures).

America’s Highest-Grossing Fast-Food Chains
McDonald’s, Subway, Burger King, and more of the highest-earning chains in the nation

thedailymeal.com

Tens of millions of Americans eat at these places every single day.

Yeah but we’re to believe that if we increased minimum wage to say 11 bucks, they’d go bankrupt.

171 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:23:54am

re: #163 Decatur Deb

Pfft. The Joyce Kilmer is much classier.

Well,, the JK does have a Sbarros,, but the Vince has Nathans !!!

172 I Earned My Sodomy Merit Badge!  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:24:27am

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

LOL! Do you live in Texas? Every patient waiting room is hard coded to FOX news. You can’t change the channel. There was one specialist my husband had to see, while waiting in the Fox news waiting room there was also anti obamacare pamphlets, NRA, and Texas trophy hunter magazines, only.
Is this the waiting room of hell?

173 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:24:29am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

re: #166 NJDhockeyfan

His Respect Party is disintegrating from what I heard.

re: #169 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I really want Snowden prosecuted now.

174 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:24:50am

re: #158 Gus

Black budget just revealed. Snowden.

washingtonpost.com

And no doubt China and Russia have that as well.

175 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:24:59am

re: #167 makeitstop

I prefer the Molly Pitcher service area.

Did a lot of TDY from Picatinny to Aberdeen Proving Ground. Tried it once in early May on a 500cc thumper—bad mistake.

176 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:25:09am

re: #173 ProTARDISLiberal

I really want Snowden prosecuted now.

Do you want the post prosecuted?

177 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:25:25am

re: #173 ProTARDISLiberal

His Respect Party is disintegrating from what I heard.

I really want Snowden prosecuted now.

Good. Anyhow, speaking of him, his debate with Hitchens was my first real exposure to Hitch. Needless to say even though I was and am anti-Iraq War, I immediately took a liking to ol’ Hitch.

178 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:26:41am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Yeah but we’re to believe that if we increased minimum wage to say 11 bucks, they’d go bankrupt.

McDonald’s CEO makes $27 million a year. They could increase the price of a burger to $20 and not give their workers one penny.

179 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:27:41am

re: #178 Vicious Babushka

McDonald’s CEO makes $27 million a year. They could increase the price of a burger to $20 and not give their workers one penny.

As I said, it’s a load of shit.

180 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:29:15am

re: #176 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No.

But at the same time, I would like secrets to remain secrets, at least when it comes to the Federal Government on certain issues.

In this case, secrets make us safe.

181 blueraven  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:30:35am

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Good. Anyhow, speaking of him, his debate with Hitchens was my first real exposure to Hitch. Needless to say even though I was and am anti-Iraq War, I immediately took a liking to ol’ Hitch.

Surely you mean Greenwald debate with Hitchens…not Snowden, right?

182 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:31:50am

re: #181 blueraven

Surely you mean Greenwald debate with Hitchens…not Snowden, right?

I meant Galloway debating Hitchens. This was 8 years ago.

183 blueraven  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:38:29am

re: #182 HappyWarrior

I meant Galloway debating Hitchens. This was 8 years ago.

Ah OK…makes sense now that I see the other comments.
Hitch was most entertaining in any debate whether you agreed with him or not.

184 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:44:13am

re: #123 HappyWarrior

GET OFF MY LAWN. Lol. I remember ALL of those you youngster. I had an overhead projector until about a year ago. I sold it to a preschool teacher so she could use it to make wall murals for her classroom.

Actually, back before our son was born, in the early 1990’s, my husband was one of the first people in our area to get a computer and AOL. It was a big freaking deal, our house was THE cool spot for a few months. I was peeved at him for being an early adapter and spending so much money on the PC and internet access. I have to be dragged kicking and screaming into new technology when the old stuff still works. I have a Kindle Fire for example, but I think it’s got half a dozen books on it because I like books. NO way am I ever putting a cookbook on a Kindle either, I need the real deal.

Now, get off my lawn kid. Heh.

185 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:45:42am

re: #172 I Earned My Sodomy Merit Badge!

LOL! Do you live in Texas? Every patient waiting room is hard coded to FOX news. You can’t change the channel. There was one specialist my husband had to see, while waiting in the Fox news waiting room there was also anti obamacare pamphlets, NRA, and Texas trophy hunter magazines, only.
Is this the waiting room of hell?

If I’m the only one in the waiting room at the car dealership while my car is getting worked on I turn the TV off. It’s normally set to either FOX or some drivel station running either pop culture shows (Entertainment Tonight stuff) or 30 min infomercials.

186 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:46:24am

re: #184 A Mom Anon

REMEMBER them all

I remember being able to survive BEFORE them all!!!

187 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:48:13am

re: #184 A Mom Anon

GET OFF MY LAWN. Lol. I remember ALL of those you youngster. I had an overhead projector until about a year ago. I sold it to a preschool teacher so she could use it to make wall murals for her classroom.

Actually, back before our son was born, in the early 1990’s, my husband was one of the first people in our area to get a computer and AOL. It was a big freaking deal, our house was THE cool spot for a few months. I was peeved at him for being an early adapter and spending so much money on the PC and internet access. I have to be dragged kicking and screaming into new technology when the old stuff still works. I have a Kindle Fire for example, but I think it’s got half a dozen books on it because I like books. NO way am I ever putting a cookbook on a Kindle either, I need the real deal.

Now, get off my lawn kid. Heh.

What year/printing is your copy of “The Joy of Cooking”?
:)

188 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:48:30am

re: #166 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

George Galloway being an antisemitic little prick?

Why I never!

Hey George, respect my finger.

189 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:48:43am

re: #184 A Mom Anon

GET OFF MY LAWN. Lol. I remember ALL of those you youngster. I had an overhead projector until about a year ago. I sold it to a preschool teacher so she could use it to make wall murals for her classroom.

Actually, back before our son was born, in the early 1990’s, my husband was one of the first people in our area to get a computer and AOL. It was a big freaking deal, our house was THE cool spot for a few months. I was peeved at him for being an early adapter and spending so much money on the PC and internet access. I have to be dragged kicking and screaming into new technology when the old stuff still works. I have a Kindle Fire for example, but I think it’s got half a dozen books on it because I like books. NO way am I ever putting a cookbook on a Kindle either, I need the real deal.

Now, get off my lawn kid. Heh.

Grandkid just got a Fire for turning 3. They make a thick colorful foam ‘armor’ for kids.

190 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:49:30am

re: #186 sattv4u2

Well, yeah, that goes without saying. I remember having to actually get up to turn the channels on the black and white TV. And playing outside all day in the summertime til dinner and then going out til dark and catching fireflies in jars. Riding my bike all over the place, that kind of stuff.

How was the golf?

191 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:51:37am

re: #187 Feline Fearless Leader

23rd printing, 1981. I was 21. Got it for Christmas that year.

192 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:52:37am

re: #190 A Mom Anon

Well, yeah, that goes without saying. I remember having to actually get up to turn the channels on the black and white TV. And playing outside all day in the summertime til dinner and then going out til dark and catching fireflies in jars. Riding my bike all over the place, that kind of stuff.

How was the golf?

Child. The first TV in our family was coin-operated. Dropping quarters in the credit company box bought a half hour of the Dumont network.

193 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:56:20am

re: #190 A Mom Anon

Well, yeah, that goes without saying. I remember having to actually get up to turn the channels on the black and white TV. And playing outside all day in the summertime til dinner and then going out til dark and catching fireflies in jars. Riding my bike all over the place, that kind of stuff.

How was the golf?

very good, thanks

going back in about 3 weeks

194 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:57:13am

re: #137 Mattand

Oh. Em. Gee. I’ve been laughing my ass off for the last 20 minutes at the e-mail comments. Totally encapsulates my love/hate/ambivalence of being an Eagles fan.

I live with a Packers fan and have sort of started following them by default. The email comments for the 2013 Packers entry are hilarious. My favorite bit:

The Packers have the best quarterback of this generation, a guy that can put up 40 points playing blindfolded for the Taliban against a fully armed Seal Team 6. So why do we still embarrass ourselves in the playoffs year after year? Because the team sees fit to keep the architect of the worst defense in the history of the NFL, that gave up 577 bajillion yards to a sophomore fucking quarterback who broke the playoff record for yards before anyone bothered to touch him.

ROFL. That’s awesome.

195 sagehen  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:07:21am

re: #145 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are all derping today about the fast-food workers strike, how the burger flippers are all a bunch of losers who don’t deserve to be paid any more, that the price of a burger will be $20, that YOONYUNZ are destroying America, yada yada.

Meanwhile the CEO of McDonald’s gets $27 million.

Wingnuts apparently never ran a business.

McDonald’s 3 biggest lines in their budget are

1. The space they’re located in (mortgage, electricity, etc)
2. Equipment purchase and maintenance
3. The wholesale purchase price of the stuff they sell at retail

If they doubled the hourly wages of all the workers, and insisted on keeping their profit margins the same, it would increase the retail price of a burger and fries by 2%.

Same for WalMart.

196 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:19:21am

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

When traveling, we always sample the rest stop coffee.

I highly recommend Wall Drug for this purpose.

197 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:35:55am

re: #192 Decatur Deb

Child. The first TV in our family was coin-operated. Dropping quarters in the credit company box bought a half hour of the Dumont network.

When Mr. w was a kid, their refrigerator had that feature (needing the quarters, not showing the Dumont network). Still a step up from the icebox.

198 boredtechindenver  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:57:57am

re: #134 blueraven

Challenge game finished!
You won the challenge with 10340 points against 10094.

url.geoguessr.com

Next!

You won the challenge with 12154 points against 10094.

199 leftynyc  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:05:22pm

re: #171 sattv4u2

Well,, the JK does have a Sbarros,, but the Vince has Nathans !!!

Nathan’s fries should be their own food group. Best ever.

200 122 Year Old Obama  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:43:53pm
Minus: 1
Dark_Falcon

Yet again.

201 socrets  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:27:54pm

re: #35 ProTARDISLiberal

I think a good policy is that if you can’t point to the country you want to bomb on a map, then you probably shouldn’t support bombing it. And that’s why I support nuking the world. I’m pretty sure that I can point to it on a globe.


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