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WHCD VEEP Video (C-SPAN)

Prior to President Obama’s remarks at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, this video with Vice President Biden and Julia Louis-Dreyfus who plays Vice President Selina Meyer on the HBO show Veep.

Nancy Pelosi Getting a Tattoo

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270 comments
1 Decatur Deb  May 4, 2014 7:47:34pm

That’s a really under-appreciated part of the team.

2 Ryan King  May 4, 2014 8:14:49pm

Looking forward to the raging torrent of delicious wingnut tears.

3 Kragar  May 4, 2014 8:18:19pm

re: #2 Ryan King

Looking forward to the raging torrent of delicious wingnut tears.

“How can they make jokes when BENGHAZI?!”

4 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 4, 2014 8:29:54pm

Gonna try rebooting into Precise Puppy Linux. bbiab

5 NJDhockeyfan  May 4, 2014 8:39:05pm
6 Kragar  May 4, 2014 8:54:57pm
7 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 4, 2014 9:25:42pm

Welp. I’m back. Puppy Linux booted up fine, and after some failures I got connected to my wireless access. But then the SeaMonkey browser went all wonky, opening an instance everytime i clicked the mouse. So, I’m back in Win7.

My touchpad in this Lenovo is wonky, too. I have it disabled it in Windows, or I get right-click context menus popping up randomly. It might be screwing up Puppy Linux now.

I’ll give Ubuntu a try in a while, but first I have some work to do, and I’ll have to use Windoze to get ‘er done.

8 Jocko's Rocket Ship  May 4, 2014 9:35:26pm

John Oliver’s show on HBO is really disappointing. OK, it’s America shaming - that’s already a tough sell - but it still could be entertaining if done well. But it’s not even funny. It’s more like a Guardian comments section.

9 andres  May 4, 2014 9:37:19pm

Both Obama’s routine and this were top notch. They’re both natural and feel genuine on the stage.

re: #2 Ryan King

Looking forward to the raging torrent of delicious wingnut tears.

So many sources, so little time to taste them… Although they tend to give me heart burn, so I try to keep wingnut tears to a minimum1.
___
1. Doctor’s orders2.
2. Don’t know if they came from Obamacare or not.

10 kirkspencer  May 4, 2014 9:40:38pm

re: #7 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Welp. I’m back. Puppy Linux booted up fine, and after some failures I got connected to my wireless access. But then the SeaMonkey browser went all wonky, opening an instance everytime i clicked the mouse. So, I’m back in Win7.

My touchpad in this Lenovo is wonky, too. I have it disabled it in Windows, or I get right-click context menus popping up randomly. It might be screwing up Puppy Linux now.

I’ll give Ubuntu a try in a while, but first I have some work to do, and I’ll have to use Windoze to get ‘er done.

As I was saying last thread …

(only sorta //)

11 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 4, 2014 9:47:38pm

re: #10 kirkspencer

I’ve used Linux in the past, and for a time here in China it was my go-to OS to do my usual work. But then the university switched to a network authentication client that was Windows only, and I had to abandon Lunux for a while. Then my laptop died and I bought a new one with Windows Vista already installed.

That was five years ago, and I have the same laptop, but with 2GB more RAM and Windows 7 installed. Aside from the DVD-burner and touchpad problems, it’s been reliable, so I’ve been able to hold off buying another machine.

Now that the uni has redone its network, I can go back to using Linux again.

12 freetoken  May 4, 2014 10:36:31pm

Best thing about that video is Joe.

13 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 4, 2014 10:43:09pm

Hey Charles, if you’re listening in, I’m having trouble resetting my password, which I have forgotten yet again. The password reset email hasn’t arrived. I’ve checked my spam and junk folders to no avail.

It’s nothing urgent. I just want to change my nic again.

14 freetoken  May 4, 2014 10:51:51pm

The WHCD has transformed into yet another Hollywood party for the beautiful people:

WHCD: Scenes from the Vanity Fair party

The best thing about the Vanity Fair party? The A-list pairings unique to the most exclusive WHCD parties. What exactly was Attorney General Eric Holder talking about with Questlove?

“Afros,” said the musician. Holder had an Afro 30 years ago and used to wear a pick not unlike the one sported by his new BFF. Apparently it’s never too late to grow out your hair, even if you’re a cabinet member. “I told him he should,” Questlove said.

And so, the party for grown ups: champagne, lobster, Peking duck, and A-listers everywhere making VIP small talk.

[…]

You and I will never have to worry about being invited.

15 freetoken  May 4, 2014 10:54:40pm

79 years ago Monday:

John Scopes arrested for teaching evolution, May 5, 1925

16 Gus  May 4, 2014 10:57:23pm

re: #14 freetoken

The WHCD has transformed into yet another Hollywood party for the beautiful people:

WHCD: Scenes from the Vanity Fair party

You and I will never have to worry about being invited.

White House Correspondent’s banquet [1923], glass negative, National Photo Company Collection (Library of Congress)
Gift; Herbert A. French; 1947. This glass negative might show streaks and other blemishes resulting from a natural deterioration in the original coatings.

17 freetoken  May 4, 2014 11:49:30pm

MP3 Audio

18 Lidane  May 5, 2014 12:20:01am

Well, Cosmos will definitely have the anti-AGW folks bitching tomorrow. Should be interesting to see the reaction.

19 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 12:52:00am

We had some clear skies in between periods of rain on the 2nd, so I took some sky photos. This one I haven’t edited much yet. It’s Jupiter in Gemini, Castor and Pollux are in the upper right.

Jupiter in Gemini, May 2, 2014, 00:13 UTC

Techie stuff: Nikon D60, Tamron 85-300mm VR set at 70 mm, ASA 800, f/4, 5 second exposure.

The Moon was near Jupiter last night, but I had to do other stuff and missed the chance to shoot it.

20 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 1:01:02am

re: #15 freetoken

79 years ago Monday:

John Scopes arrested for teaching evolution, May 5, 1925

At the rate things are going, it could happen again somewhere in the US.

21 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 1:04:31am

Another oneMoon (in Taurus) and Betelguese, May 2, 2014, 00:07 UTC

Same specs as above, but 1 second exposure.

22 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 1:09:33am

re: #21 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Another oneMoon (in Taurus) and Betelguese, May 2, 2014, 00:07 UTC

Same specs as above, but 1 second exposure.

Betelguese, Betelguese, Betelguese. : )

23 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 1:16:36am

re: #22 Justanotherhuman

Betelguese, Betelguese, Betelguese. : )

Damn you!

24 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 1:20:00am

Sounds like China is getting soft, Wheat. I mean, no bullet to the head?

China gives 10-year sentence to leaker of military secrets

reuters.com

Well, after all, he was lured online by a man posing as a woman…

25 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 1:23:32am

Just to put things in perspective, the relative sizes of Betelgeuse and our Sun.

Image: Betelgeuse-Is-Not-About-to-Blow-Up-2.jpg

Betelgeuse’s diameter is about 1100 times larger than the Sun’s.

26 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 1:27:44am

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

Sounds like China is getting soft, Wheat. I mean, no bullet to the head?

China gives 10-year sentence to leaker of military secrets

reuters.com

Well, after all, he was lured online by a man posing as a woman…

I take anything reported in the People’s Daily with a grain of salt. Even so, the leaker surnamed Li must not have divulged anything really sensitive, or he’d have been executed.

27 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2014 1:47:22am

Old Soviet-era joke:

“I hear that Smerdyashkin got eleven years for calling Chairman Brezhnev an idiot.”

“Yes,” replies his friend, “one year for insulting Soviet authorities and ten years for revealing state secrets!”

28 Alyosha  May 5, 2014 2:01:03am

re: #25 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Why you’d need a chariot AND a cosmic scarab to even budge that thing!

29 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 2:11:24am

re: #28 Alyosha

Why you’d need a chariot AND a cosmic scarab to even budge that thing!

Yup, big and really heavy.

30 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 2:17:32am

Guthrie, Okla., fire chief says 56-year-old man dies in wildfire after choosing not to evacuate - @NBCNews
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This reminds me of someone, after hearing of my son’s death recently, who commented that men in their 50s were dying off in droves, and I found this year old article from C&L.

Suicide Rate Rising Sharply Among Boomers. Hmm. Wonder Why?

crooksandliars.com

My son, at 53, was also trying to get his disability and had been denied twice, even though he suffered chronic liver and heart disease. He tried to work (he was a tile mechanic by trade), though he wound up thoroughly exhausted by the physical labor, and he suffered from what many people of no means do—lack of adequate health care for severe medical problems, even though he did see doctors at a clinic for those on a sliding scale through a special program who prescribed the routine medicines he took (Crestor, lisinopril, etc). Those same doctors were not able, because of lack of funds, to treat him as he needed to be treated for his conditions, such as interferon for his liver (very expensive) but I don’t blame them. He even held a little hope he might get a liver transplant, and now I’m thinking from talking to the doctors at the hospital that it was liver failure that led to his cardiac arrest. They said he had already suffered liver failure and that his kidneys had started failing after he was hospitalized. He looked generally fit and the proper weight for his height, but I noticed that his abdomen was grossly bloated in the hospital and was told it was from those failures.

I do blame the vultures in the health care industry who make huge profits off the sufferings of others for the massive fail of providing proper health care in this country, but hopefully the new health care act will save many lives that might have otherwise gone untreated altogether. If we can’t provide at least minimal preventative maintenance health care for all our own citizens as well as educating and treating them before or when they become ill, then we fail as a humane society.

31 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2014 2:30:37am

re: #30 Justanotherhuman

Guthrie, Okla., fire chief says 56-year-old man dies in wildfire after choosing not to evacuate

Some people would rather die than do anything the government tells them to do. That is the root of opposition to ACA,

32 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 2:36:50am

re: #31 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Some people would rather die than do anything the government tells them to do. That is the root of opposition to ACA,

Sure, but most people are not like that. Most of us have a sense of self-preservation guys like him lack.

33 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2014 2:39:21am

re: #32 Justanotherhuman

Sure, but most people are not like that. Most of us have a sense of self-preservation guys like him lack.

Not necessarily to the point of self-immolation, but certainly to the point of acting against their own personal and economic interests.

I have a New Yorker cartoon tacked to my wall: two fellows crawling through the desert, one of them exclaims, “Rescue be damned! Our conservative principles will see us through!”

34 Dr Lizardo  May 5, 2014 2:52:26am

re: #31 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Some people would rather die than do anything the government tells them to do. That is the root of opposition to ACA,

Sounds like Oppositional Defiant Disorder, which is most typically found in small children and usually progresses to antisocial personality disorder when we’re talking about adults, but let’s face it; the wingnuts behave like butthurt two-year olds.

ODD includes:

Actively refuses to comply with majority’s requests or consensus-supported rules.
Performs actions deliberately to annoy others.
Angry and resentful of others.
Argues often.
Blames others for his or her own mistakes.
Frequently loses temper.
Spiteful or seeks revenge.
Touchy or easily annoyed.

Yep; sounds like most wingnuts. Granted, the diagnosis is meant for little kids, but if the shoe fits………………….

en.wikipedia.org

35 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 2:56:46am

WTF is this shit?

Nigeria’s First Lady orders arrest of leader of protest against the mass kidnapping of girls - @AP
end of alert

I guess she can’t take criticism of her husband’s govt for his inaction?

36 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2014 2:56:53am

re: #34 Dr Lizardo

Don’t forget the ability to vocally oppose things they once supported because they are now being proposed by the opposition.

In the end, though, I always thought that politics was about winning people over to your point of view, not branding everyone who disagrees with you a loser, taker, freeloader, traitor, slut, union thug, Muslim/atheist, communist/fascist, baby-killer, child molester, etc…

37 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2014 3:17:22am

re: #34 Dr Lizardo

Snip…
Yep; sounds like most wingnuts. Granted, the diagnosis is meant for little kids, but if the shoe fits………………….

en.wikipedia.org

Odd you should say that (cache of a threeper nutsite):
webcache.googleusercontent.com

Buenos dias, borrachos.

38 Dr Lizardo  May 5, 2014 3:28:47am

re: #37 Decatur Deb

Why I am not surprised these nutburgers think it’s something to be proud of?

*smh*

39 Targetpractice  May 5, 2014 3:41:53am

Morning, my fellow lizards. What’s the good word?

40 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 3:49:36am

re: #39 Targetpractice

Morning, my fellow lizards. What’s the good word?

For me today, it was mango.

41 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2014 3:55:11am

re: #40 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

For me today, it was mango

Was for me, too on Saturday, in the form of mango/pineapple salsa. (basically Mexican salsa but with mango and pineapple instead of tomatoes. awesome)

42 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 3:57:15am

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Was for me, too on Saturday, in the form of mango/pineapple salsa. (basically Mexican salsa but with mango and pineapple instead of tomatoes. awesome)

Sounds good! I’ll need to try making it. It’s mango and pineapple season here.

43 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2014 3:58:25am

re: #39 Targetpractice

Morning, my fellow lizards. What’s the good word?

XX

44 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 4:02:41am

re: #43 Decatur Deb

XX

Dos Equis?

45 Targetpractice  May 5, 2014 4:03:15am

re: #44 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Dos Equis?

Stay thirsty, my friends.

46 Targetpractice  May 5, 2014 4:23:01am

I swear, every time some wingnut opens his gob to tell me about the “cover-up” that is BENGHAZI!!!, I find myself marveling at how I haven’t seen logic this brain-dead since the 9/11 troofers.

47 AntonSirius  May 5, 2014 4:28:13am

re: #16 Gus

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Looks like one of the pictures on the wall in the Shining.

48 AntonSirius  May 5, 2014 4:32:46am

re: #39 Targetpractice

Morning, my fellow lizards. What’s the good word?

Today’s good word is: grotesque

The most beautiful word for ugly in the English language.

49 AntonSirius  May 5, 2014 4:36:17am

re: #46 Targetpractice

I swear, every time some wingnut opens his gob to tell me about the “cover-up” that is BENGHAZI!!!, I find myself marveling at how I haven’t seen logic this brain-dead since the 9/11 troofers.

Fun fact: BENGHAZI!!!! is Arabic for SQUIRREL!!!!

50 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2014 4:43:46am

re: #45 Targetpractice

Stay thirsty, my friends.

Medley mexicano con gaitas del batallon de san patricio

Youtube Video

The temperance of the Irish and Mexican asceticism.

51 Aqua Obama  May 5, 2014 4:56:44am

Wikileaks is attacking the Guardian for not taking a sufficiently pro-Russian stance.

52 NJDhockeyfan  May 5, 2014 4:57:08am

Good morning lizards!

53 NJDhockeyfan  May 5, 2014 5:00:35am
54 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 5:13:44am

re: #52 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

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This ought to wake you up. My favorite blues couple. Susan wakes you up and Derek calms you down.

Youtube Video

55 NJDhockeyfan  May 5, 2014 5:16:44am

re: #54 Justanotherhuman

This ought to wake you up. My favorite blues couple. Susan wakes you up and Derek calms you down.

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I’m a big fan. When they come to nashville I’m definitely going.

56 NJDhockeyfan  May 5, 2014 5:19:50am
57 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 5, 2014 5:21:42am

re: #51 Aqua Obama

The column they link to is actually a very good read, and I have no doubt that there is an orchestrated campaign of comment spamming with pro-Russian talking points. The Guardian seems to be moderating with a pretty light touch, which is their prerogative.

John Stuart Mill said that truth would win out in the marketplace of ideas, but what if truth gets buried under a mountain of lies? I wonder if he’d reconsider his ideas given the nature of the modern political discussion (via chain e-mails, comments sections, social media, cable news, “think tanks,” etc.).

Charles Haddon Spurgeon said: “A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on.” (misattributed, apparently, to Mark Twain and Winston Churchill - source)

58 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 5:24:56am

re: #57 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The column they link to is actually a very good read, and I have no doubt that there is an orchestrated campaign of comment spamming with pro-Russian talking points. The Guardian seems to be moderating with a pretty light touch, which is their prerogative.

John Stuart Mill said that truth would win out in the marketplace of ideas, but what if truth gets buried under a mountain of lies? I wonder if he’d reconsider his ideas given the nature of the modern political discussion (via chain e-mails, comments sections, social media, cable news, “think tanks,” etc.).

Charles Haddon Spurgeon said: “A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on.” (misattributed, apparently, to Mark Twain and Winston Churchill - source)

Great points. : )

59 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2014 5:26:13am

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

SBU says intercepted 1.5 kg of radioactive material with possible traces of U-235 in Chernovtsi oblast. May have come from Trans Dniester

I guard the Transnistrian Border…

60 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 5, 2014 5:29:51am

We are making the wrong things cheaper:

Image: SCjdZf3.png

61 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 5:30:50am

re: #60 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

We are making the wrong things cheaper:

Image: SCjdZf3.png

LASIK!!!!

62 NJDhockeyfan  May 5, 2014 5:34:49am
63 Bubblehead II  May 5, 2014 5:41:24am

Well today will be an interesting day here in Idaho. Opening arguments in the lawsuit to overturn Idaho’s SSM ban begins today.

Idaho same-sex marriage lawsuit could have national implications

Four couples are suing Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter for a couple of reasons. Two of the couples want Idaho to grant them marriage licenses. The other two want the state to recognize their out-of-state marriage licenses.

I for one wish all four couple the best and hope this bigoted law is overturned.

64 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 5:44:30am

re: #60 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

We are making the wrong things cheaper:

Image: SCjdZf3.png

Keeping us entertained and stupid?

65 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 5:44:33am

re: #56 NJDhockeyfan

This is not good news. My Ukrainian friends are from Luhansk city in the same oblast as Antratsyt.

66 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 5:52:52am

You can’t convince me there is no connection here…

Report: Latest intelligence shows 40,000-50,000 Russian troops still on Ukrainian border, senior US official says - @barbarastarrcnn via @PCNN
end of alert

13m
Ukraine Interior Ministry says 4 officers killed, 30 injured by pro-Russia militants - @AP
read more on hosted.ap.org

67 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 5, 2014 5:55:46am

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

Keeping us entertained and stupid?

The free market makes no value judgements. It rewards the seller of poison just as it rewards the seller of medicine. This is why free market worshipers are idiots.

68 Feline Fearless Leader  May 5, 2014 5:56:58am

re: #60 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

We are making the wrong things cheaper:

Image: SCjdZf3.png

Bread and Circuses.

69 Dr Lizardo  May 5, 2014 5:57:11am

re: #66 Justanotherhuman

You can’t convince me there is no connection here…

Report: Latest intelligence shows 40,000-50,000 Russian troops still on Ukrainian border, senior US official says - @barbarastarrcnn via @PCNN
end of alert

13m
Ukraine Interior Ministry says 4 officers killed, 30 injured by pro-Russia militants - @AP
read more on hosted.ap.org

Perhaps the Ukrainians are unable or unwilling to suppress the pro-Russian revolt in the manner that Gustav Noske suppressed the Spartacist Uprising in Berlin.

Of course, the Ukrainians are probably keenly aware that doing so would all but guarantee Russian military intervention.

70 Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2014 6:03:50am

re: #69 Dr Lizardo

Perhaps the Ukrainians are unable or unwilling to suppress the pro-Russian revolt in the manner that Gustav Noske suppressed the Spartacist Uprising in Berlin.

Of course, the Ukrainians are probably keenly aware that doing so would all but guarantee Russian military intervention.

In my mind I can see it as the Ukrainians see these protesters as fellow Ukrainians and are kinda reluctant to fire upon them. Where as the pro-Russians don’t see themselves as Ukrainian (and possibly many aren’t) and have no problem firing on the Ukrainians.

71 Dr Lizardo  May 5, 2014 6:07:28am

re: #70 Eventual Carrion

In my mind I can see it as the Ukrainians see these protesters as fellow Ukrainians and are kinda reluctant to fire upon them. Where as the pro-Russians don’t see themselves as Ukrainian (and possibly many aren’t) and have no problem firing on the Ukrainians.

That could be it; of course, the Noske, the Army and the Freikorps under Noske’s command certainly had no issues firing on their fellow Germans, and indeed, doing so en masse. The suppression of the Spartacist Uprising was certainly the bloodiest affair in inter-war German history, and Noske remains a controversial figure to this day.

72 Romantic Heretic  May 5, 2014 6:11:12am

re: #6 Kragar

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I believe the ‘get an education’ should actually read ‘get some letters after your name.’ Truly educated people don’t indulge in the destructive behaviour that much of our elite indulges in these days.

73 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 6:13:10am

re: #72 Romantic Heretic

I believe the ‘get an education’ should actually read ‘get some letters after your name.’ Truly educated people don’t indulge in the destructive behaviour that much of our elite indulges in these days.

Well, it’s true that education has also turned into a free market enterprise that serves the pursuit of profit rather than the result of society wishing a truly well rounded, educated citizenry.

74 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 6:15:32am

Good grief, it was only a clamp holding up all those performers? Yeeeesh.

Investigators find clamp that held circus performers to rafters snapped, Providence, RI, public safety official says - @AP
read more on bigstory.ap.org

75 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 6:23:18am

Report: Oregon State fires head basketball coach Craig Robinson, brother-in-law of President Obama - @SIPeteThamel
read more on sportsillustrated.cnn.com

76 lawhawk  May 5, 2014 6:27:02am
77 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 6:27:28am

What an asshole
‘I will sell them,’ Boko Haram leader says of kidnapped Nigerian girls

“I abducted your girls. I will sell them in the market, by Allah,” a man claiming to be Abubakar Shekau says in a video, according to a CNN translation from the local Hausa language. “There is a market for selling humans. Allah says I should sell. He commands me to sell. I will sell women. I sell women.”

78 lawhawk  May 5, 2014 6:35:49am

re: #77 Killgore Trout

The Nigerian government’s efforts to root out the Boko Haram have hemmed in the terror group’s actions to the NE corner of the country, and attacks across the nation as a whole have dropped, but this attack marks a serious escalation in efforts to go after civilian targets. As the group got hemmed in, they moved from going after military/government targets, to soft targets, which also increased the body count.

Boko Haram have to be stopped, and the Nigerian government is still struggling to put a plan in place to eliminate the Boko Haram.

I hope that the US is offering assistance in going after this terror group, whose aspirations are aligned with other Islamist groups, and whose terror attacks are morphing into ones that are as complex as some of al Qaeda’s biggest attacks (multiple targets, hitting civilian targets, and looking for high profile targets).

On the one hand, the shift away from military targets and being hemmed in shows that the Nigerian government hit upon a winning strategy to eliminate the terror group, but its inability to free the hundreds of school girls captured by the group undermines that success. The attack could be seen as a last gasp, or a resurgence.

Either way, the Nigerian government has to do more to get those girls back to their families.

It also means that the neighboring countries have to do more too. Boko Haram can take advantage of the porous borders along Nigeria’s northeastern frontiers to find safe havens in Niger and Chad, allowing them to launch attacks and retreat to safety. This has been an ongoing issue.

79 NJDhockeyfan  May 5, 2014 6:42:22am
80 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 6:42:48am

re: #78 lawhawk

It also means that the neighboring countries have to do more too. Boko Haram can take advantage of the porous borders along Nigeria’s northeastern frontiers to find safe havens in Niger and Chad, allowing them to launch attacks and retreat to safety. This has been an ongoing issue.

I wish them all the luck in the world but I’m not overly optimistic. The region is so dysfunctional on so many different levels, they have a very long way to go. With tribal, ethnic, religious differences combined with general government ineffectiveness and corruption there are many hurdles.

81 lawhawk  May 5, 2014 6:44:41am

For those who responded last night to my inquiries about choosing new glass for my camera (a Canon 60D), thanks. I’m not likely to go to a full frame as I’m quite happy with my current camera and its capabilities. I don’t think I need a full frame, as this is still a (expensive) hobby. My current 28-300 IS zoom is full frame capable, as is a 50 prime (f 1.8) that were bought back when I had a film Canon and I have a 17-35 full frame lens as well.

With the 60D, I’ve got the kit IS lens, plus those older lenses. But I’m thinking it’s time to upgrade the glass, especially for the wide angle work.

As for the lenses, I’m not worried about resale since any old lenses would be passed over to friends and relatives who have Canon gear (one has my old xTi, the other now has a 70D). Also, my experiences with the Sigma gear has been quite good, although the Tamron was less-so.

82 NJDhockeyfan  May 5, 2014 6:52:48am
83 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 6:58:03am

It’s troubling to think of the supply and demand economics of the Boko Haram kidnappings. It’s bad enough that these guys exist but they are only a small part of a larger problem. Kidnapping over 200 schoolgirls is bad enough but it’s worse that there are enough customers in the region to buy over 200 schoolgirls.

84 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 7:00:03am

Putin’s gonna spread some peace here soon
Ukraine crisis ‘threatens peace in Europe’, says Russia

Moscow warns escalating unrest threatens European peace as ‘several’ deaths reported on fringes of rebel-held town of Slavyansk in eastern Ukraine

85 NJDhockeyfan  May 5, 2014 7:00:07am
86 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 5, 2014 7:00:15am

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Human trafficking is still a problem worldwide. Not as big as in the 1800s, obviously, but still there. There was a Vice (?) report a couple of years ago about women in Romania or another Eastern Bloc country who were basically being sold to rich Europeans or sex slavery.

87 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 7:04:41am

This is unacceptable in the US and AFAIK, unconstitutional.

US Supreme Court leaves intact a Nebraska town’s ordinance that cracks down on illegal immigration, declining to hear an appeal filed by a civil rights group - @Reuters
end of alert

88 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 7:08:37am

Think the situation in Ukraine doesn’t affect world markets, including the US? Please think again.

Dow Drops 100 points on Ukraine Jitters, Poor Pfizer Results

nbcnews.com

89 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 7:10:00am

re: #85 NJDhockeyfan

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Maybe this
Gas pipeline targeted in Odessa clashes

A natural gas pipeline running from the Ukrainian city of Odessa was set on fire curing clashes in the city, local officials said.
Fighting between pro- and anti-Russian activists in Odessa left at least 42 people dead last week. Local officials said a gas pipeline running through the city was targeted Sunday during the melee, though reports didn’t indicate which side caused the blaze.

90 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 7:11:42am

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

Think the situation in Ukraine doesn’t affect world markets, including the US? Please think again.

Dow Drops 100 points on Ukraine Jitters, Poor Pfizer Results

nbcnews.com

Energy prices effect everything from food to electronics. Not just a one day blip, this could have a long lasting impact.

91 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 7:15:29am

BTW, My new favorite Game of Thrones story line has to be the little girl and The Hound. I wish they’d spend more time on them.

92 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 7:22:02am

Up above, I mentioned I was testing out booting into Linux from a thumbdrive. Well, it works just fine with Puppy Linux and Ubuntu, but my wonky Synaptics touchpad confuses the OS, so mouse clicks don’t work at all. In Windows, I have the touchpad disabled to prevent this conflict, but Linux enables the touchpad automatically on boot up, and Ubuntu has no GUI control to turn the bloody thing off. Now, I need to find a command-line trick to disable the touchpad.

I considered a hammer, but I need to use this computer still.

UPDATE: One site recommends the keyboard shortcut to enable/disable it. And here I thought that was only for Windows.

93 Alyosha  May 5, 2014 7:27:30am

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it’s kind of an unconventional ‘buddy’-type side story. Where the series has deviated from the books, it has done so in a very clever and endearing way.
As always, though, don’t get too attached…

94 Aqua Obama  May 5, 2014 7:30:02am

Hey, look, the Supreme Court just upheld public prayer:

Image: Bm4M2LIIIAAzM3y.png

supremecourt.gov

(take the symbol off at the end of the URL)

95 Alyosha  May 5, 2014 7:31:27am

re: #93 Alyosha

‘Rafts, Draughts and Wagonwheels.’

96 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 5, 2014 7:31:44am

re: #94 Aqua Obama

“Once it invites prayer into the public sphere …”

I think I can solve that in one step.

97 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 5, 2014 7:33:59am

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Eh, it’s early in the morning. Get back to me when the Dow closes down 100 points every day for several days.

If I’ve learned nothing from the stock market since the 2007-08 crash, it’s that it’s nothing but a big casino, and some folks are always cashing in.

98 sattv4u2  May 5, 2014 7:34:53am

re: #83 Killgore Trout

It’s troubling to think of the supply and demand economics of the Boko Haram kidnappings. It’s bad enough that these guys exist but they are only a small part of a larger problem. Kidnapping over 200 schoolgirls is bad enough but it’s worse that there are enough customers in the region to buy over 200 schoolgirls.

Kidnapping to fund terror (DOUBLE terror, as it were)

Wasn’t there a call a few weeks back by Ayman al-Zawahiri for AQ to kidnap westerners for ransom

99 Bubblehead II  May 5, 2014 7:37:27am

RE#94

Once it invites prayer into the public sphere, government must permit a prayer giver to address his or her own God or gods as conscience dictatates

YOUR PERSECUTING ME!!!!!

100 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2014 7:38:41am

re: #94 Aqua Obama

Hey, look, the Supreme Court just upheld public prayer:

Image: Bm4M2LIIIAAzM3y.png

supremecourt.gov

(take the symbol off at the end of the URL)

Public prayer is unbiblical:

“And when ye pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, that love to stand and pray in the synagogues and corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men: Amen I say to you, they have received their reward.”
 —Matt 6:5

101 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2014 7:38:46am

re: #99 Bubblehead II

Once it invites prayer into the public sphere, government must permit a prayer giver to address his or her own God or gods as conscience dictatates

YOUR PERSECUTING ME!!!!!

And then watch heads explode if Vishnu, Allah, Buddha, etc. are invoked…

102 Aqua Obama  May 5, 2014 7:39:02am

The dissent:

But just for that reason, the not-so-implicit message of
the majority’s opinion—“What’s the big deal, anyway?”—is
mistaken. The content of Greece’s prayers is a big deal, to
Christians and non-Christians alike. A person’s response
to the doctrine, language, and imagery contained in those
invocations reveals a core aspect of identity—who that
person is and how she faces the world. And the responses
of different individuals, in Greece and across this country,
of course vary. Contrary to the majority’s apparent view,
such sectarian prayers are not “part of our expressive
idiom” or “part of our heritage and tradition,” assuming
the word “our” refers to all Americans. Ante, at 19. They
express beliefs that are fundamental to some, foreign to
others—and because that is so they carry the ever-present
potential to both exclude and divide. The majority, I
think, assesses too lightly the significance of these reli­
gious differences, and so fears too little the “religiously
based divisiveness that the Establishment Clause seeks to
avoid.” I would treat more
seriously the multiplicity of Americans’ religious commit­
ments, along with the challenge they can pose to the
project—the distinctively American project—of creating
one from the many, and governing all as united.

103 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  May 5, 2014 7:39:12am

good morning fellow Lizards. Counting down the hours to a much needed vacation to a foreign land.

104 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 5, 2014 7:42:22am

re: #103 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

safe travels and enjoy the vacay!

105 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  May 5, 2014 7:42:59am

re: #104 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Thanks and I plan to. Going to be going to El Salvador to meet my wife’s side of the family.

106 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 5, 2014 7:43:19am

re: #100 Decatur Deb

Public prayer is unbiblical:

“And when ye pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, that love to stand and pray in the synagogues and corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men: Amen I say to you, they have received their reward.”
—Matt 6:5

I think technically that should be it’s un-New Testamentical. ;)

107 sattv4u2  May 5, 2014 7:45:38am

re: #103 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

good morning fellow Lizards. Counting down the hours to a much needed vacation to a foreign land.

San Francisco ????
/

108 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 5, 2014 7:46:02am

5-4 decision. Wonder who was on which side? //

109 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 7:46:24am
110 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 7:46:58am

re: #106 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I think technically that should be it’s un-New Testamentical. ;)

Isaiah 1.15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

111 sattv4u2  May 5, 2014 7:47:01am

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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heh

Talk about FABRIC(ating)

nice!!

112 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 7:49:36am

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What a nightmare

An intermediary who has said Boko Haram is ready to negotiate ransoms for the girls also said two of the girls have died of snakebite and about 20 are ill. He said Christians among the girls have been forced to convert to Islam.

113 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 5, 2014 7:50:20am

re: #110 Pie-onist Overlord

Aren’t those particular verses dealing with the heart behind the praying, and not the location of the prayer? That’s the way I’m reading them.

FWIW, I loathe public prayers. Much prefer a moment of silence.

Edit: And I really don’t have an issue with what DD said, but I am genuinely unaware of verses in the earlier books that caution against praying in public.

114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2014 7:51:44am

re: #113 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Aren’t those particular verses dealing with the heart behind the praying, and not the location of the prayer? That’s the way I’m reading them.

FWIW, I loathe public prayers. Much prefer a moment of silence.

God hears our prayers however and wherever they are recited: public prayers are addressed to the general public.

115 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2014 7:52:14am

re: #106 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I think technically that should be it’s un-New Testamentical. ;)

As Lewis Black says, “Not my book.”

116 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 7:52:23am
117 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  May 5, 2014 7:52:42am

re: #107 sattv4u2

San Francisco ????
/

lol. That’s what my father thought of San Francisco before he went there. Actually going to El Salvador to meet my wife’s extended family and see the sights.

Already planning to go to the ruins of Tozumal, there’s a few volcanoes I want to go see (there are hiking trails). A crater lake, some waterfalls and of course San Salvador which is where we are staying.

118 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 7:54:28am

re: #113 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Aren’t those particular verses dealing with the heart behind the praying, and not the location of the prayer? That’s the way I’m reading them.

FWIW, I loathe public prayers. Much prefer a moment of silence.

Edit: And I really don’t have an issue with what DD said, but I am genuinely unaware of verses in the earlier books that caution against praying in public.

Starting from the beginning of Isaiah, he is warning about attendance at public prayer ceremonies in the Temple, while neglecting the poor and helpless, saying that such prayer is unacceptable to G-D.

119 Alyosha  May 5, 2014 7:54:37am

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Seems legit.
Maybe Nigeria’s First Lady is just trying to draw CNN’s attention to a shamefully under-reported story?
/

120 sattv4u2  May 5, 2014 7:54:44am

re: #117 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Have fun

121 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 5, 2014 7:55:19am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And when ye pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, that love to stand and pray in the synagogues and corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men: Amen I say to you, they have received their reward.

The implication of that verse (the English translation, I’m not going to look up the Greek) is that these are people who stand around in public praying, not people who are leading or addressing the public in prayer. Sort of a verbal form of self-flagellation.

122 sattv4u2  May 5, 2014 7:55:43am

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fuzzy picture

He’d look much better centered in a scope!!!

123 Feline Fearless Leader  May 5, 2014 7:55:44am

re: #119 Alyosha

Seems legit.
Maybe Nigeria’s First Lady is just trying to draw CNN’s attention to a shamefully under-reported story?
/

If she wanted to do that all she would have to do and come up with a theory that the kidnappers had stolen the plane as well.
///

124 FemNaziBitch  May 5, 2014 7:57:46am

I enjoyed that video. Especially since Boehner played along.

125 Alyosha  May 5, 2014 7:58:21am

re: #123 Feline Fearless Leader

‘We’re through the looking-glass now, people’.

126 FemNaziBitch  May 5, 2014 7:59:12am

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stockholm Syndrome?

127 sattv4u2  May 5, 2014 8:01:20am

re: #126 FemNaziBitch

Stockholm Syndrome?

Thats usually for the captors
This head-in-the-sand nut is Nigerias 1st lady! Bad PR admitting that 200 of your young girls are gone, and there’s not a damn thing you’re doing about it

128 FemNaziBitch  May 5, 2014 8:01:52am

re: #86 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Human trafficking is still a problem worldwide. Not as big as in the 1800s, obviously, but still there. There was a Vice (?) report a couple of years ago about women in Romania or another Eastern Bloc country who were basically being sold to rich Europeans or sex slavery.

call it what it is “Rape for Profit”

129 lawhawk  May 5, 2014 8:02:09am

Town of Greece v. Galloway. 5-4, with Kennedy delivering the opinion, which found that prayer at a town meeting was permitted under the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment. Several concurring opinions, and several dissents. Case reverses the 2d Circuit ruling that this was impermissibly endorsing a Christian religious view.

The crux of the case bases the ruling on precedent - Marsh v Chambers.

Rather than finding Marsh was wrong, and that the Establishment Clause violates this, Kennedy essentially reaffirms the earlier case.

Definitely not a decision I’d agree with, and one that I wonder if those cheering the decision would have agreed with if you swap out G-d and insert Allah (or any other named deity). After all, Allah is a name for G-d, but if you’re going to claim that this kind of public prayer is permitted, then you’ve gone down a road towards endorsing one religion over another.

The fact that you’ve got to even entertain the idea that the legislative body has to consider the sectarian or nonsectarian nature of the prayer shows just how thin the argument allowing this to proceed. Rather than strike it down as unconstitutional, Kennedy basically throws his hands up and says it’s okay, because Marsh says so.

130 FemNaziBitch  May 5, 2014 8:02:51am

re: #127 sattv4u2

Thats usually for the captors
This head-in-the-sand nut is Nigerias 1st lady! Bad PR admitting that 200 of your young girls are gone, and there’s not a damn thing you’re doing about it

Captives?

Well, let’s think about the cultural, traditional role of women.

131 FemNaziBitch  May 5, 2014 8:04:05am

People can pray all they want.

I cannot be forced to join

and I don’t like having to listen.

So Public Prayer is fine as long as they don’t line the halls of the mall and Pray so loudly I can’t escape hearing.

132 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2014 8:04:09am

re: #121 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The implication of that verse (the English translation, I’m not going to look up the Greek) is that these are people who stand around in public praying, not people who are leading or addressing the public in prayer. Sort of a verbal form of self-flagellation.

“But you, when you pray, enter into your closet, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father which is in secret; and your Father which sees in secret shall reward you openly.” —Matt 6:6

Re-purpose the closets abandoned by Teh Ghey.

133 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 8:04:57am
134 FemNaziBitch  May 5, 2014 8:05:09am

re: #132 Decatur Deb

“But you, when you pray, enter into your closet, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father which is in secret; and your Father which sees in secret shall reward you openly.” —Matt 6:6

Re-purpose the closets abandoned by Teh Ghey.

hmmm, Apostles were marketing a new religion . .no?

135 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2014 8:06:22am

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

hmmm, Apostles were marketing a new religion . .no?

They were pushing the “deeds, not words” approach.

136 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 8:07:48am

We’ll see how popular this SCOTUS ruling is when someone has a temerity to offer a prayer to Allah, Thor or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

137 blueraven  May 5, 2014 8:08:09am

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

Think the situation in Ukraine doesn’t affect world markets, including the US? Please think again.

Dow Drops 100 points on Ukraine Jitters, Poor Pfizer Results

nbcnews.com

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Energy prices effect everything from food to electronics. Not just a one day blip, this could have a long lasting impact.

The Dow is all over the place today…currently down by under 20.
Oil prices have actually been trending down over the last week or so.

cnbc.com

138 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2014 8:09:28am

re: #136 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

We’ll see how popular this SCOTUS ruling is when someone has a temerity to offer a prayer to Allah, Thor or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You’ve seen the Oklahoma satanists’ troll, no?

vice.com

139 Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2014 8:09:34am

re: #84 Killgore Trout

Putin’s gonna spread some peace here soon
Ukraine crisis ‘threatens peace in Europe’, says Russia

Yes, those damn people should just lay down and be taken over. Can’t they see the damage they are doing wanting to be free. Fucking peasants.

140 Rightwingconspirator  May 5, 2014 8:11:06am

re: #137 blueraven

The Dow is all over the place today…currently down by under 20.
Oil prices have actually been trending down over the last week or so.

cnbc.com

And in that vein…
kitco.com
NY Gold snapshot

141 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 8:11:14am
143 iossarian  May 5, 2014 8:11:58am

re: #132 Decatur Deb

“But you, when you pray, enter into your closet, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father which is in secret; and your Father which sees in secret shall reward you openly.” —Matt 6:6

Re-purpose the closets abandoned by Teh Ghey.

One of those Biblical verses that seems to require almost no interpretation.

144 Rightwingconspirator  May 5, 2014 8:14:19am

Anyone up for a positive development in the gun category?

Biometric smart gun at Wired. Paged for discussion.

145 FemNaziBitch  May 5, 2014 8:14:27am

What Happens When You Put Two Pit Bulls In A Photo Booth

146 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 8:15:09am

re: #143 iossarian

One of those Biblical verses that seems to require almost no interpretation.

Ever been to a Pentecostal church? There’s very little of that quietly praying in your closet going on.

147 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2014 8:16:52am

re: #146 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Ever been to a Pentecostal church? There’s very little of that quietly praying in your closet going on.

They loves them that praying out loud. Wanna spill the beans on the fact that husband and wife so-and-so are splitting up? Offer a prayer for God to help them with their “marital troubles”…

148 Alyosha  May 5, 2014 8:17:21am

re: #128 FemNaziBitch

On the topic of human-on-human exploitation, saw ‘12 Years a Slave’ with the GF. Kind of movie you want to stand up and applaud at the end for what the film achieved, but was actually more poignant so that when the lights came up I could hear only the soft shuffling of people filing out, and the muffled weeping of others who were overcome.
It was a beautifully sad moment that I personally haven’t encountered before.
My lady seemed less affected than myself afterwards, and told me that her consolation was that sort of thing doesn’t happen anymore.
She was surprised when I told her that there are more slaves today then there were back then. Obviously the trade isn’t officially state-sanctioned, but it doesn’t make the sale and exploitation of desperate, marginalised and vulnerable people less odious.

149 Rightwingconspirator  May 5, 2014 8:17:57am

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ever see one of those crimes that just makes your opposition to the DP harder to stick with? I’m calling this a great related example of why I don’t mind an armed drone in the right place at the right time on the right man.

150 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 5, 2014 8:18:03am

re: #146 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Don’t even get started on the whole “speaking in tongues” thing.

151 FemNaziBitch  May 5, 2014 8:19:50am

re: #148 Alyosha

On the topic of human-on-human exploitation, saw ‘12 Years a Slave’ with the GF. Kind of movie you want to stand up and applaud at the end for what the film achieved, but was actually more poignant so that when the lights came up I could hear only the soft shuffling of people filing out, and the muffled weeping of others who were overcome.
It was a beautifully sad moment that I personally haven’t encountered before.
My lady seemed less affected than myself afterwards, and told me that her consolation was that sort of thing doesn’t happen anymore.
She was surprised when I told her that there are more slaves today then there were back then. Obviously the trade isn’t officially state-sanctioned, but it doesn’t make the sale and exploitation of desperate, marginalised and vulnerable people less odious.

People are amazingly ignorant. One of the reasons I am obnoxious on my soap box. I want the facts to be heard.

152 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2014 8:20:59am

re: #150 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Don’t even get started on the whole “speaking in tongues” thing.

Pentecost is coming, time to start boning up on your glossolia.

153 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 8:21:01am

re: #97 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Eh, it’s early in the morning. Get back to me when the Dow closes down 100 points every day for several days.

If I’ve learned nothing from the stock market since the 2007-08 crash, it’s that it’s nothing but a big casino, and some folks are always cashing in.

Under ordinary circumstances I would agree, but we have to consider that gas lines run through Ukraine to the EU, and until there is a cheaper alternative, it’s going to figure into the markets.

It’s why they wanted Crimea, why Russia wants other parts of Ukraine, too—hell, all of Ukraine. They don’t want to have to pipeline under the Black Sea—too expensive compared to land.

154 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 5, 2014 8:23:57am

re: #152 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Pentecost is coming, time to start boning up on your glossolia.

Yabba dabba doo.

Yada yada yada

Ba Bop a Ree Bop a Bop sham boom!

155 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 8:25:33am

Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley signs legislation that will raise Maryland’s minimum wage to $10.10 per hour - @GovernorOMalley
end of alert

156 FemNaziBitch  May 5, 2014 8:26:13am

One of my early mentors was Apostolic Pentecostal.

As she was an exceptional person and really made a long-lasting positive impact on my life, I refrain from wondering about her religion.

I figure it contributed to me in an indirect way.

157 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 5, 2014 8:27:21am

re: #153 Justanotherhuman

I agree that it will probably figure into the markets, although probably more the oil markets than the Dow.

For example, the other day, when the stock market posted its highest totals since pre-2008 (maybe ever?), the markets started down in the morning. The LA Times headline even trumpeted the markets being down, and then, by the end of the day, the LAT tweet was all about what a great day the markets had.

That’s all I’m saying. If the market opened 500 points down, or if it kept plummeting throughout the day, I’d probably have a different take, fwiw.

At the moment, the Dow is down about 14 points.

158 Alyosha  May 5, 2014 8:27:22am

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

My hometown is a historic sugar cane-producing area. And I consider myself fortunate that I had the evidence of ad hoc slavery staring me in the face every time I went to the coast.
Kilometres and kilometres of walls built along the property boundaries of cane plantations from volcanic rock dug from the fields by ‘Kanakas’ (South Pacific Islanders) ‘blackbirded’ for use as labour.
The whole industry is still couched in euphemisms from the old days and I wonder how many now still see the walls as just that, and not a symbol of something far darker.

159 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 8:30:03am

Why Russia’s Propaganda Machine Is Loving a NYT Report

The New York Times is - improbably - the latest darling of the Russian propaganda machine.

The paper this weekend published one of the most detailed articles to date on a group of separatists in eastern Ukraine. The report found no evidence of Russians within the unit’s ranks or Russian influence or arms, although it was careful to note that its findings are far from definitive.

Russian media, however, quickly seized on the report, eager to cash in on the Times’ credibility to back Moscow’s claims that it has nothing to do with the unrest there.

160 FemNaziBitch  May 5, 2014 8:30:35am

re: #158 Alyosha

My hometown is a historic sugar cane-producing area. And I consider myself fortunate that I had the evidence of ad hoc slavery staring me in the face every time I went to the coast.
Kilometres and kilometres of walls built along the property boundaries of cane plantations from volcanic rock dug from the fields by ‘Kanakas’ (South Pacific Islanders) ‘blackbirded’ for use as labour.
The whole industry is still couched in euphemisms from the old days and I wonder how many now still see the walls as just that, and not a symbol of something far darker.

There are similary stone walls still standing in Kentucky horse country.

Makes me think everytime I go down that way.

161 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 8:32:12am

Video of Ukrainian helicopter reportedly shot down near Sloviansk.

Youtube Video

162 FemNaziBitch  May 5, 2014 8:32:19am

Slavery in Kentucky

163 FemNaziBitch  May 5, 2014 8:33:52am

The Mystery of the Slave Fences of Kentucky

164 FemNaziBitch  May 5, 2014 8:35:11am

bbl

165 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 5, 2014 8:38:42am

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Not sure why they don’t like the Times. Maybe they just forgot about Walter Duranty.

en.wikipedia.org

166 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 8:43:24am

re: #163 FemNaziBitch

The Mystery of the Slave Fences of Kentucky

I have never heard them called “slave fences”. They’ve always been known as drystone walls here in Kentucky, mostly used to fence livestock or to re-enforce creek banks. They are all over the place in my county (which was initially settled by Scots-Irish and never had even a modest slave population), there’s even a remnant of one on my farm way up in the woods on a steep hillside.

167 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 8:43:48am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

Video of Ukrainian helicopter reportedly shot down near Sloviansk.

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Looks and sounds like a missile hit. Maybe an RGP. Somebody has some decent firepower and knows how to use it.

168 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 8:44:47am

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have never heard them called “slave fences”. They’ve always been known as drystone walls here in Kentucky, mostly used to fence livestock or to re-enforce creek banks. They are all over the place in my county (which was initially settled by Scots-Irish and never had even a modest slave population), there’s even a remnant of one on my farm way up in the woods on a steep hillside.

Aren’t stone fences common in the UK and Ireland?

169 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 8:46:57am

re: #168 Pie-onist Overlord

Aren’t stone fences common in the UK and Ireland?

yes, they are. Very much so.

170 Gus  May 5, 2014 8:49:42am
171 darthstar  May 5, 2014 8:53:05am

re: #170 Gus

I think it’s more like the Inquisition than the Holocaust.

172 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 8:54:14am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

Video of Ukrainian helicopter reportedly shot down near Sloviansk.

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Larger

Might be outgoing fire from the chopper. Same incident here? (from a different angle)
Youtube Video

173 brennant  May 5, 2014 8:55:03am

re: #171 darthstar

I think it’s more like the Inquisition than the Holocaust.

174 Gus  May 5, 2014 8:55:21am
175 darthstar  May 5, 2014 8:55:35am

well played, lawhawk

176 darthstar  May 5, 2014 8:56:26am

re: #174 Gus

177 Dr Lizardo  May 5, 2014 8:56:37am

re: #174 Gus

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O_O

178 Alyosha  May 5, 2014 8:57:32am

re: #174 Gus

Looks like there should be an e-meter somewhere in that room.

179 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 8:57:44am

re: #170 Gus

[Embedded content]

Doofus Of The Day.

180 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 8:58:30am

re: #174 Gus

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I wonder if little cameras are hidden in the eyes.

181 lawhawk  May 5, 2014 8:58:33am

re: #174 Gus

How depressing is that?! The only thing you get to stare at in your office is a view of Greenwald’s mug or the pale bland wall?

182 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 8:58:35am

re: #178 Alyosha

Looks like there should be an e-meter somewhere in that room.

It’s disguised as a tape dispenser.

183 Alyosha  May 5, 2014 8:58:46am

Glenn Ron Hubbard.

184 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 9:01:24am

Rand Paul: AIPAC push back ‘troubling’

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the largest pro-Israel group in the U.S., declined to support the bill. In an interview with Steve Malzberg on Newsmax on Thursday, Paul said he was “getting pushback from the establishment up here” on the legislation.

When asked by Malzberg who he meant, Paul said: “Ironically, the group AIPAC is pushing back this bill and this is to me very troubling.”

“I think the American people, if they knew that, would be very, very upset and think, you know what, those people are no longer lobbying in favor of America and Israel if they’re not willing to put restrictions on aid to Palestine,” Paul continued.

185 darthstar  May 5, 2014 9:01:51am

re: #180 Pie-onist Overlord

I wonder if little cameras are hidden in the eyes.

Big butt-hole is watching you.

186 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 5, 2014 9:03:56am

re: #174 Gus

OFFS!

187 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 9:04:28am

Paul starts new drone war

Sen. Rand Paul has warned Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) that he will place a hold on one of President Obama’s appellate court nominees because of his role in crafting the legal basis for Obama’s drone policy.

Paul, the junior Republican senator from Kentucky, has informed Reid he will object to David Barron’s nomination to the 1st Circuit Court of Appeals, unless the Justice Department makes public the memos he authored justifying the killing of an American citizen in Yemen.

The American Civil Liberties Union supports Paul’s objection, giving some Democratic lawmakers extra incentive to support a delay to Barron’s nomination, which could come to the floor in the next two weeks.

188 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 9:05:53am

Joni Ernst, keeping it classy
//

189 darthstar  May 5, 2014 9:06:30am
190 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 9:06:33am

We have remnant reminders of slavery in this very county in NC. Slave cabins preserved behind one mansion (rebuilt (ETA the mansion was rebuilt after the “war”) , the shacks are hardly larger than an outhouse, and a road named “Furnace” after one of the iron foundries in the county which utilized slave labor and there are probably others since there are a lot of 19th century bldgs still standing, a number of them designated historic houses. Descendants of those slaves still live the area, although most probably moved on since the Black population is only about 5%. There is also a “campground” in the same area, and another white one not far from here, both of which originated in the 19th century. Both campgrounds are actually wooden structures, and over time in various stages of upkeep, connected with the Methodist church in which people meet every summer (in the hottest time!) to visit and hold religious services. I

Tuckers Grove has a new brick church built a few years ago across from the campground; I have passed these facilities many times, as well as living at one time very close to the white campground (which causes a bottleneck from late July through the first wk of August).

denverncnews.com

193 NJDhockeyfan  May 5, 2014 9:10:22am

2nd one today…

194 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 9:10:26am

To a Libertarian:
HURR HURR!!!! THEIR WATCHIN TEH GAME WITHOUT PAYING FOR A TICKET!!!!! ARREST TEH MOOCHERS!!!!!!!

195 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 9:10:35am

re: #183 Alyosha

Glenn Ron Hubbard.

We’re not worthy! We’re not worthy!

196 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 9:11:45am

re: #193 NJDhockeyfan

2nd one today…

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Them things ain’t cheap. They’re going to lose a lot more when the Russians show up.

197 NJDhockeyfan  May 5, 2014 9:11:52am

re: #193 NJDhockeyfan

2nd one today…

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Or is that 4 today?

198 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 9:13:32am

Whoa there…

Mozilla asks the Federal Communications Commission to abandon its plans to allow Internet ‘fast lanes’ as it rewrites federal net neutrality rules - @thehill
read more on thehill.com

199 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 9:15:16am

re: #198 Justanotherhuman

Whoa there…

Mozilla asks the Federal Communications Commission to abandon its plans to allow Internet ‘fast lanes’ as it rewrites federal net neutrality rules - @thehill
read more on thehill.com

US Government Begins Rollout Of Its ‘Driver’s License For The Internet’

200 wrenchwench  May 5, 2014 9:20:08am
201 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2014 9:28:36am

re: #171 darthstar

I think it’s more like the Inquisition than the Holocaust.

I think it’s more like the DMV than the Inquisition.

202 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 9:28:41am
203 The Awkward Guy  May 5, 2014 9:30:44am

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

Feels like this shit is happening every day.

204 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2014 9:31:31am

re: #190 Justanotherhuman

We have remnant reminders of slavery in this very county in NC. Slave cabins preserved behind one mansion (rebuilt (ETA the mansion was rebuilt after the “war”) , the shacks are hardly larger than an outhouse, and a road named “Furnace” after one of the iron foundries in the county which utilized slave labor and there are probably others since there are a lot of 19th century bldgs still standing, a number of them designated historic houses. Descendants of those slaves still live the area, although most probably moved on since the Black population is only about 5%. There is also a “campground” in the same area, and another white one not far from here, both of which originated in the 19th century. Both campgrounds are actually wooden structures, and over time in various stages of upkeep, connected with the Methodist church in which people meet every summer (in the hottest time!) to visit and hold religious services. I

Tuckers Grove has a new brick church built a few years ago across from the campground; I have passed these facilities many times, as well as living at one time very close to the white campground (which causes a bottleneck from late July through the first wk of August).

denverncnews.com

The Brown-Pusey house in Elizabethtown KY has an auction block in the garden. House is a bit of a museum, owned by the city. Son2 was married there.

205 Gus  May 5, 2014 9:32:06am
206 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 9:32:28am

Photo: 3-alarm fire at Martin Drake Power Plant in downtown Colorado Springs - @KRDONC13
see original on twitter.com

207 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 9:33:18am

Shooting reported at Dayton VA Center

The center is being evacuated.

208 CuriousLurker  May 5, 2014 9:33:38am

Drive-by: Just dropping this off. It’s an interview with the former editors of the WaPo and the NY Times. A bit of a long read, but very interesting.

‘The New York Times Is Not Going to Turn into BuzzFeed’

209 HoosierHoops  May 5, 2014 9:33:40am

re: #203 The Awkward Guy

Feels like this shit is happening every day.

I hear ya… what is going on these days?

210 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 9:34:04am
211 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 9:37:36am

Good story at the link by Miller.

212 Kragar  May 5, 2014 9:39:22am

This douche:

213 Kragar  May 5, 2014 9:46:25am

Man, that guy is so awful he killed the thread.

214 jaunte  May 5, 2014 9:47:23am

re: #213 Kragar

He could probably move somewhere that approximated the conditions of pre-1913 U.S., but he’s too lazy.

215 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 9:48:28am

re: #212 Kragar

This douche:

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Yeah, he wants us to just all fuck off and die.

216 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 9:49:04am

re: #214 jaunte

He could probably move somewhere that approximated the conditions of pre-1913 U.S., but he’s too lazy.

HURR HURR!!!! TEH REGULASHUNZ TOOK AWAY ALL TEH GOOD JRRBS LIKE AT TRIANGLE SHIRTWAIST!!!!!

217 Kragar  May 5, 2014 9:49:13am

re: #214 jaunte

He could probably move somewhere that approximated the conditions of pre-1913 U.S., but he’s too lazy.

Guy has a real Rowsdower vibe going on with his avatar

218 Mattand  May 5, 2014 9:54:06am

re: #217 Kragar

Guy has a real Rowsdower vibe going on with his avatar

Push the button, Dale.

219 wrenchwench  May 5, 2014 9:57:12am
220 b.d.  May 5, 2014 9:57:37am

Why do you need an office if you never do anything?

221 Kragar  May 5, 2014 9:58:23am

re: #218 Mattand

Push the button, Dale.

222 Kragar  May 5, 2014 10:01:10am

re: #220 b.d.

Why do you need an office if you never do anything?

Billing and mailing.

223 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 10:03:35am

Haha, I just put the 4 yr old down for a nap (at his request!) but he also wanted the big old cop Maglite I keep around for under the covers. Then, he said, “I love you, you punk.” I cracked up. The munchkin has a very weird sense of humor. : )

I’ll bet the “nap” doesn’t last, either.

224 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 10:04:34am

GAH

225 Skip Intro  May 5, 2014 10:05:07am

Thought of the day.

Democrats bragging about the number of mandatory sign ups for Obamacare is like Germans bragging about the number of manditory sign ups for “train rides” for Jews in the 40s.

Tennessee Senator Stacey Campfield.

Why yes. He is a Republican.

lastcar.blogspot.com

226 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 10:09:07am

Wow this guy is freaking stupid.

Dallas, Houston have Democrat mayors

Michigan has had more Republican governors in the past 30 years than Texas.

227 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 10:13:40am
228 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 10:14:56am

Exclusive: CIA Falls Back in Afghanistan

U.S. and Afghan military commanders tell The Daily Beast that Afghan forces are stretched too thin to replace many of those departing CIA paramilitaries. Thousands more CIA-trained operatives are about to get the boot ahead of what already promises to be a bloody summer fighting season. That could mean spectacular attacks against U.S. and Afghan targets just as the White House is weighing its long-term commitment to Afghanistan. And it could give the now-small al Qaeda movement inside the country more freedom to grow and eventually hatch new plots more than a decade after the invasion meant to wipe out the perpetrators of the Sept. 11th attacks.

Senior U.S. officials said the slow dismantling of the CIA’s forces has also alarmed U.S. lawmakers, who had assumed those forces would remain in the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban after U.S. troops withdrew.

229 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 10:16:59am

Well, hell yes, of course he did. Tillis has rammed through every conservative piece of legislation in the NC Assembly since the Rs took over.

Mitt Romney endorses Republican Thom Tillis’ bid to replace Sen. Kay Hagan, D-NC - @newsobserver
read more on newsobserver.com

We’re lucky we escaped The Abomination Known as Mitt Romney, too.

Also, what happens when you Benghazi! without any evidence.

CBS News declines to comment on Lara Logan’s status after New York Magazine suggests she may not return - @Variety
read more on variety.com

Which should be happening to a lot more Rs.

230 Killgore Trout  May 5, 2014 10:17:03am
Two U.S. officials said the CIA-trained paramilitaries at the Kunar base have been told of their imminent firing, and some have already reached out to the Taliban, possibly to reach a peace deal for when they no longer have Americans to pay or protect them.
231 De Kolta Chair  May 5, 2014 10:17:25am

re: #221 Kragar

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From MST3K — Crow: “I can see why Quebec wants to be separate from all this.”

232 darthstar  May 5, 2014 10:21:35am
233 Kragar  May 5, 2014 10:23:26am

re: #231 De Kolta Chair

From MST3K — Crow: “I can see why Quebec wants to be separate from all this.”

I still crack up during the Cultist fight scene and they’re doing everything in French. “Je suis morte! No! Etienne!”

234 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 10:24:27am

Oh, ferchrissakes…

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, says Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-SC, will lead select committee to investigate Benghazi attack - statement
read more on speaker.gov

He’s “investigating” a premise as I type this…

235 Kragar  May 5, 2014 10:26:14am
236 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 10:33:00am

::head:: ::desk::

237 Dr. Matt  May 5, 2014 10:33:09am

re: #235 Kragar

*Insert broken watch analogy*

238 darthstar  May 5, 2014 10:33:49am
239 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 10:34:23am

What a surprise, our wingnut chew toy du jour is also a racist!

240 Dr. Matt  May 5, 2014 10:35:22am

I’ve been off the grid for the last 4 days…..was there a RW freakout over this weekend’s Correspondents’ gig?

241 Kragar  May 5, 2014 10:35:51am
242 Kragar  May 5, 2014 10:36:09am

re: #240 Dr. Matt

I’ve been off the grid for the last 4 days…..was there a RW freakout over this weekend’s Correspondents’ gig?

Do you really even need to ask?

243 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 10:38:38am

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

::head:: ::desk::

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Quick! Who does that look like in the sunglasses? Hahahahahahaaa.

244 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2014 10:39:25am
245 darthstar  May 5, 2014 10:42:06am
246 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 10:44:07am

re: #241 Kragar

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Not the kind of “sovereign citizen” we normally think about. Those were Native Alaskans.

Still, doesn’t excuse the execution of those 2 troopers whatsoever.

248 Kragar  May 5, 2014 10:46:37am
249 darthstar  May 5, 2014 10:48:25am
250 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 10:49:02am

re: #247 Varek Raith


NJ man shoots 11-year-old nephew dead while demonstrating laser sight on his forehead

You couldn’t make this up, either:

“The Pocono Record reported that State Police responded to reports of shots fired in a gated community in Delaware Township at around 5:35 p.m. on Saturday.

According to a police report, the 11-year-old child was visiting the home of his grandfather. The boy allegedly asked his uncle, 34-year-old Chad Olm, who lives in the basement, to see his gun collection.

252 darthstar  May 5, 2014 10:49:23am

re: #247 Varek Raith


NJ man shoots 11-year-old nephew dead while demonstrating laser sight on his forehead

Stupid fucker.

253 darthstar  May 5, 2014 10:51:25am
254 Skip Intro  May 5, 2014 10:51:35am

re: #252 darthstar

Stupid fucker.

Not stupid enough for there to be any reason not to sell him all the guns he could afford.

Thanks for another one, NRA.

255 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 10:51:40am

HURR HURR U COMMUNIST NAZI GUN GRABBING LIBTURD!!!!!! NO TRUE NRA MEMBER!!!!!!!!

256 Kragar  May 5, 2014 10:52:22am

re: #247 Varek Raith


NJ man shoots 11-year-old nephew dead while demonstrating laser sight on his forehead

Treat every weapon like it is loaded.
Never point the weapon at anything you do not intend to destroy.
Keep the weapon on safe until you intend to fire.
Keep your finger off the trigger until you intend to fire.

If you can’t do that, then you don’t deserve to handle a weapon.

257 Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2014 10:59:32am

re: #243 Justanotherhuman

Quick! Who does that look like in the sunglasses? Hahahahahahaaa.

On quick look, a young Bob Dylan

258 Stanley Sea  May 5, 2014 10:59:53am

NRA Victory is when guns are now used as props in prom photos.

259 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 11:01:05am

re: #253 darthstar

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That is the biggest double-wide I have ever seen!

260 Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2014 11:01:18am

re: #250 Justanotherhuman

You couldn’t make this up, either:

“The Pocono Record reported that State Police responded to reports of shots fired in a gated community in Delaware Township at around 5:35 p.m. on Saturday.

According to a police report, the 11-year-old child was visiting the home of his grandfather. The boy allegedly asked his uncle, 34-year-old Chad Olm, who lives in the basement, to see his gun collection.

Lives in the basement. Why am I not surprised.

261 Varek Raith  May 5, 2014 11:01:26am

WTF is wrong with these people?!?!

262 Stanley Sea  May 5, 2014 11:02:46am

They’re big boy props, not weapons anymore.

The black kid’s mom probably had a heart attack.

263 darthstar  May 5, 2014 11:02:52am

Okay…time to pack up and start heading home after a lovely weekend.

264 Kragar  May 5, 2014 11:03:13am

re: #261 Varek Raith

WTF is wrong with these people?!?!

You’ll need to be more specific.

265 Varek Raith  May 5, 2014 11:03:32am

re: #262 Stanley Sea

They’re big boy props, not weapons anymore.

The black kid’s mom probably had a heart attack.

Look at the poor guys on the left.

266 Skip Intro  May 5, 2014 11:06:08am

re: #258 Stanley Sea

I’d totally feel comfortable having either of those two guys walking down the street towards me. They both look so well adjusted.

267 Pie-onist Overlord  May 5, 2014 11:06:20am

**HEAD DESK**

268 Rightwingconspirator  May 5, 2014 11:08:13am

New Jersey denied an ex cop who runs across criminals and people he has arrested a CCW. That sucks. The Supreme Court refused to hear a the case that might have struck that anti CCW law down. California enshrined the right of officers in good standing

New Jersey got it wrong. Srsly? Ex cops?

SCOTUS got it right.

Paged.

269 Justanotherhuman  May 5, 2014 11:11:47am

re: #257 Eventual Carrion

On quick look, a young Bob Dylan

I was thinking more along the lines of

Image: dr_strangelove_or_how_i_learned_to_stop_worrying_and_love_the_bomb_1964_1000x1350_615580-222x300.jpg

270 Decatur Deb  May 5, 2014 11:13:49am

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Then Afghanistan will return to equilibrium. Equilibrium most likely involves mullahs and poppies.


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