Democrats Are the Ones Doing All Mass Shootings, GOP Cong. Candidate Says

Kiehne said he owns more guns and ammunition than the other candidates and said everyone should own a gun.
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Your Republican Party in action.

Congressional District 1 candidate Gary Kiehne made extreme comments about gun rights at a Republican primary debate Saturday.

Asked how he would protect gun rights, Kiehne said he owns more guns and ammunition than the other candidates and said everyone should own a gun.

When it comes to mass shootings, “if you look at all the fiascos that have occurred, 99 percent of them have been by Democrats pulling their guns out and shooting people,” Kiehne said to an audience of about 60 people. “So I don’t think you have a problem with the Republicans.”

Candidate Adam Kwasman said he supports gun rights and said, “it’s a God-given, natural right to keep and bear arms.”

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198 comments
1 nines09  May 18, 2014 9:36:57am

Said to an audience of complete and utter idiots who will be voting. Remember that on your day to vote.

2 Skip Intro  May 18, 2014 9:47:16am

re: #1 nines09

Said to an audience of complete and utter idiots who will be voting. Remember that on your day to vote.

Also remember, this guy is running against other Republicans, and he’s the one with the most guns and ammo, so that’s why they have to choose him.

3 philosophus invidius  May 18, 2014 10:14:28am

I doubt many mass killers vote at all. But since many are paranoid and delusional, it is not surprising that many mass killers are drawn to strongly anti-gov’t views. Adam Lanza — a big Ron Paul fan.

One thing these mass shooters seem to have in common is a love of guns. According to Republicans, Democrats hate guns, ergo …

4 team_fukit  May 18, 2014 10:26:11am

How can you have a “God-given” and “natural” right to own something humans manufactured/fabricated?

Or did I miss teh passage in Genesis where God gave Adam gunz?

5 Sionainn  May 18, 2014 10:30:46am

re: #4 team_fukit

How can you have a “God-given” and “natural” right to own something humans manufactured/fabricated?

Or did I miss teh passage in Genesis where God gave Adam gunz?

Logic. How do it work?

6 Charles Johnson  May 18, 2014 10:31:16am
7 Decatur Deb  May 18, 2014 10:32:06am

Re mass killers:

GM suggested engineers avoid ‘judgment words’ like ‘death trap,’ ‘grenade-like’

At a press conference Friday, acting NHTSA Administrator David Friedman said the company’s training was part of the reason GM employees did “clearly communicate up the chain when they suspect a problem.”

“Kevorkianesque,” apparently a reference to Jack Kevorkian, the doctor who claimed to have helped more than 130 patients commit euthanasia, was one of the presentation’s “judgment words” to be avoided. Others included: “apocalyptic,” “Band-Aid,” “Challenger,” “Cobain,” “Corvair-like,” “death trap,” “decapitating,” “disemboweling,” “genocide,” “grenadelike,” “Hindenberg,” “impaling,” “rolling sacrophagus (tomb or coffin),” “spontaneous combustion,” “Titanic,” “widow-maker” or “words or phrases with biblical connotation.”

While many of these words or phrases are understandably over-the-top, the list also includes relatively plain language, such as “always,” “fail,” “defect,” “defective,” “bad,” “flawed,” “never,” and even “safety” and “safety-related” were included.

politico.com

8 jaunte  May 18, 2014 10:32:39am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

As long as it comes without the inconvenient arrest and jail time.

9 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 10:32:49am

Gawd, these people are insane.

And IMHO, totally misinterpret the 2nd Amendment, to boot.

You wanna shoot gunz? Join the military. Trouble is, most of these yahoos hate the discipline you must follow in it. It’s why so many are “ex” military or haven’t served at all.

10 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 10:37:01am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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He totally hates this country.

Or he’d live in it, now that he can bring Miranda here. Of course, he’d be jailed in Russia, although maybe not since he’s never done anything I can recall in the way of LGBT activism and they probably love the job he’s doing on the US.

Nothing stopping you now from coming back here to live, GG, you coward.

11 PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2014 10:40:06am

re: #7 Decatur Deb

Say something but do not use these words. What is next? Speak up but do not open your mouth? Oy.

12 Decatur Deb  May 18, 2014 10:41:54am

re: #11 PhillyPretzel

Say something but do not use these words. What is next? Speak up but do not open your mouth? Oy.

They didn’t prohibit “auto-da-fe”.

13 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 10:44:26am

Drought-stricken California is preparing for its worst wildfire season ever, California Gov. Jerry Brown says - @KPCC
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14 jaunte  May 18, 2014 10:48:53am
When it comes to mass shootings, “if you look at all the fiascos that have occurred, 99 percent of them have been by Democrats pulling their guns out and shooting people,” Kiehne said to an audience of about 60 people. “So I don’t think you have a problem with the Republicans.”

I don’t understand why the Arizona Star doesn’t include some actual statistics on the shooting ‘fiascos’ he references. Aren’t they teaching reporters to do anything more than take down the quotes?

15 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 10:51:21am

If lies like this got called out like this in the MSM, not just guns but policy, law etc etc, fewer T. Party people would get elected.

16 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 10:53:22am

So let’s see, Democrats, who want to take all your guns and give them to Satan, who are weak and limp wristed traitors who hate all guns and want you to die and be raped while unarmed are the ones doing all the mass killings….with guns? Yeah, I think I need a gun, with tranquilizer darts, for idiots like this.

Also too, the primary elections in GA are Tuesday. So that means not only are the More Conservative Than Thou commercials flying fast and loose, but there was a “debate” on this morning. Oww, my head. These people are nuts. All trying to out tea party, Norquist and Chamber of Commerce each other into the next millennium. I really hope Michelle Nunn is ready for the shitstorm about to be unleashed on her by Tuesday’s “winner”.

17 jaunte  May 18, 2014 10:56:05am

re: #4 team_fukit

How can you have a “God-given” and “natural” right to own something humans manufactured/fabricated?

Or did I miss teh passage in Genesis where God gave Adam gunz?

I think the theory is that if all your rights are given directly to you from God, then no other person or group of persons (society) can tell you what to do. Because then they’d be going against God.

18 PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2014 10:56:44am

re: #16 A Mom Anon

Primaries in PA on Tuesday too. As part of the voting there is a special election to fill a seat in City Council. All I can say is I will be at the polls all day and my Kindle and iPhone will be working.

19 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 10:57:11am

re: #5 Sionainn

Logic. How do it work?

You might enjoy this quote from Zappa, currently playing on the sidebar:

Frank says:

Sopranos!? That’s why God made the rocket launcher and grenade!

20 Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2014 10:57:52am

re: #16 A Mom Anon

With the wingnuts all trying to out-wingut each other, pretty soon they will no longer be comprehensible; they will simply spew out random words and phrases, finally culminating in “Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn”.

21 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 11:00:53am

re: #17 jaunte

I think the theory is that if all your rights are given directly to you from God, then no other person or group of persons (society) can tell you what to do. Because then they’d be going against God.

“God” who is yourself, IOW. These “christians” certainly are pretty damned presumptuous to think that about anything that isn’t written down in the Bible, aren’t they? And there sure as hell aren’t any guns there, no matter how much “smiting” was done by other means.

22 Shiplord Kirel  May 18, 2014 11:04:20am

“Fiascos”

That word does not mean what he thinks it does.

fi*as*co
[ fee áskō ]

1. humiliating failure: a total failure, especially a humiliating or ludicrous one
2. straw-covered wine bottle: a wine bottle having a round bottom and often in a straw covering resembling a basket

A mass shooting is in no sense a failure if that was the shooter’s intent. If a would-be killer’s pants fall down when he tries to draw his gun and he is consequently apprehended or shot before he can fire, then that might be described as a fiasco.

23 Shiplord Kirel  May 18, 2014 11:07:51am

Having served in the Army for some time, I am well acquainted with the word “fiasco.”

24 Decatur Deb  May 18, 2014 11:11:41am

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel

“Fiascos”

That word does not mean what he thinks it does.

A mass shooting is in no sense a failure if that was the shooter’s intent. If a would-be killer’s pants fall down when he tries to draw his gun and he is consequently apprehended or shot before he can fire, then that might be described as a fiasco.

English cognate: flask. (Over the centuries, the Italian ‘L’ softened in many uses to “I”. Floretia=Firenze=Florence.)

25 William Barnett-Lewis  May 18, 2014 11:13:36am

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel

Having served in the Army for some time, I am well acquainted with the word “fiasco.”

Not to mention Snafu & Fubar. I always liked the Navy’s “bohica” as well…

26 Shiplord Kirel  May 18, 2014 11:20:48am

Otoh, Republican re-branding is a fiasco, especially when directed at women and minorities.

27 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 11:23:02am

How is it now?

28 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 11:23:24am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel

Otoh, Republican re-branding is a fiasco, especially when directed at women and minorities.

29 jaunte  May 18, 2014 11:24:32am
30 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 11:25:30am

re: #17 jaunte

I think the theory is that if all your rights are given directly to you from God, then no other person or group of persons (society) can tell you what to do. Because then they’d be going against God.

IIRC, rights come from a higher something because in the USSR they denounced God and the government decided who had rights and who didn’t.

Inalienable rights —our humanity should be enough, but people seem to need a skygod to keep their own power and control traits at bay.

31 Lidane  May 18, 2014 11:30:47am

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel

Having served in the Army for some time, I am well acquainted with the word “fiasco.”

SNAFU as well, I bet.

32 team_fukit  May 18, 2014 11:32:17am

re: #17 jaunte

yeah I know what they’re saying, and it’s an awfully slippery slope… especially in other cases where the same people claim it’s their God-given right to discriminate.

using their logic, owning anything I want is a heavenly mandate

33 Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2014 11:33:50am

re: #30 FemNaziBitch

IIRC, rights come from a higher something because in the USSR they denounced God and the government decided who had rights and who didn’t.

Inalienable rights —our humanity should be enough, but people seem to need a skygod to keep their own power and control traits at bay.

And of course, the wingnuts read literally what was a magnificent rhetorical flourish from the Declaration of Independence.

34 Lidane  May 18, 2014 11:35:08am

re: #29 jaunte

Dear Reince,

Should Hillary Clinton get nominated in 2016, please make the entire GOP campaign about how she’s old and frail. Also, Benghazi. I’m sure whoever you nominate will appreciate the effort.

In short, please proceed.

Thanks,
Me

35 jaunte  May 18, 2014 11:36:29am

re: #32 team_fukit

Two year olds with guns.


en.wikipedia.org

36 Gus  May 18, 2014 11:36:46am

The Republican Stupid Party.

37 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 11:38:10am

bbl

38 Lidane  May 18, 2014 11:38:14am
39 jaunte  May 18, 2014 11:41:57am
40 TedStriker  May 18, 2014 11:42:32am

re: #38 Lidane

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Smooth operator, that one…

41 Gus  May 18, 2014 11:44:34am

Another genius. They do realize what those are for? Right?

42 Gus  May 18, 2014 11:45:44am

Links to the Weakly Standard. God they’re so dumb.

43 jaunte  May 18, 2014 11:47:48am

re: #41 Gus

Alternatively, we could have Weekly Standard writers restrain the diseased monkeys during NIH testing.

44 Gus  May 18, 2014 11:47:54am

The Stupid Party

45 Stanley Sea  May 18, 2014 11:48:16am

re: #41 Gus

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Another genius. They do realize what those are for? Right?

ewe

I tweeted a vid from Sullys blog earlier of beagles released from their life in a lab. Touching the ground, seeing the sunlight for the first time. sniff.

Youtube Video

46 jaunte  May 18, 2014 11:48:54am

re: #42 Gus

Oh look, they’re probably having helmets built for monkeys, too:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

47 Shiplord Kirel  May 18, 2014 11:49:55am

re: #41 Gus

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Another genius. They do realize what those are for? Right?

There is no need for the GOP to support this kind of pork barrel spending: All the monkeys I know vote Republican even without it.
//

48 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 11:52:42am

re: #45 Stanley Sea

This is what my doggie went through before she came home forever. Never spent any time outside, only in a cage. She was scared of the grass at first. And then after a few days she began rolling in the grass and spending as much time outside as we’d let her. She was sick and weak, so we had to restrict her time out there in the early weeks, but to this day she loves being outside A LOT. She becomes clearly sad on rainy days.

49 Gus  May 18, 2014 11:54:41am

Good times.

50 Gus  May 18, 2014 11:55:45am

The idea that recent mass shooters are mostly registered Democrats is a myth

Based on the assertions of Roger Hedgecock a right-wing radio show host, the meme that the five worst recent mass shootings were committed by registered Democrats is making its way through e-mail chains and social media. Hedgecock asserts, without providing any evidence or sources, that the Ft. Hood shooter, the Virginia Tech shooter, the Aurora Theater shooter and Adam Lanza of Sandy Hook infamy were all “registered Democrats”. He acknowledges that Klebold and Harris (the Columbine Colorado shooters) were too young to be registered voters but asserts, again without providing any evidence, that Harris and Klebold’s parents were progressives or liberal Democrats. All of these charges are utterly baseless and perhaps do not even deserve a response. However, given the effectiveness of right-wing lies in saturating social media and duping the incurious (a far too numerous segment of the population), some more detailed debunking is in order.

Continues.

51 nines09  May 18, 2014 11:56:59am

re: #4 team_fukit

How can you have a “God-given” and “natural” right to own something humans manufactured/fabricated?

Or did I miss teh passage in Genesis where God gave Adam gunz?

You must have missed the part where he pulled another rib from Adam and fabricated an assault weapon.

52 Lidane  May 18, 2014 11:59:37am
53 Zamb  May 18, 2014 12:00:12pm

re: #41 Gus

Seems to me that conservatives view of science is more the crazy person in a basement mixing drain cleaners together until he has the magic cure for cancer rather than the repetitive testing and study of the real world.

54 Gus  May 18, 2014 12:00:12pm
55 Gus  May 18, 2014 12:02:32pm

re: #53 Zamb

Seems to me that conservatives view of science is more the crazy person in a basement mixing drain cleaners together until he has the magic cure for cancer rather than the repetitive testing and study of the real world.

Real scientists conduct scientific experiments on primates mano a mano. //

56 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 12:06:22pm

Well there goes my appetite for lunch. GG on Al Jazeera America. This is beyond softball.

More like this

The new journalism

57 Gus  May 18, 2014 12:14:13pm

re: #56 Rightwingconspirator

Well there goes my appetite for lunch. GG on Al Jazeera America. This is beyond softball.

More like this

The new journalism

en.wikipedia.org

58 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 12:14:13pm

re: #56 Rightwingconspirator

He was on Meet the Press today too. Ack. As soon as I heard his voice I changed it to something on the DVR. Self important asshat.

59 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 12:20:10pm

re: #58 A Mom Anon

Self important asshat

Umm,, you’re referring to GG ,, not yourself, right !?!?!

{ducking!!}

/

60 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 12:20:49pm

re: #56 Rightwingconspirator

Well there goes my appetite for lunch. GG on Al Jazeera America. This is beyond softball.

More like this

The new journalism

What do you have against the venerable Nerf ball!?!?!

61 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 12:22:19pm

re: #59 sattv4u2

Ok smart ass. If I was a self important asshat I wouldn’t be here. So there. Neener.

62 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 12:23:20pm

re: #61 A Mom Anon

Ok smart ass. If I was a self important asshat I wouldn’t be here. So there. Neener.

Actually, you would INSIST that your presence here was vital!!!

Neener back attchya!!!

63 Gus  May 18, 2014 12:23:33pm

Ahem.

64 Gus  May 18, 2014 12:29:15pm
65 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 12:34:06pm

re: #63 Gus

Where’s that from?

66 Gus  May 18, 2014 12:35:08pm

re: #65 Sergey Romanov

Where’s that from?

67 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 12:36:19pm

re: #66 Gus

Weird.

68 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 12:39:51pm

re: #66 Gus

Lordy, what the hell? The guy has done some cool things regarding Marriage Equality and stuff, but I don’t get what the hell the point of this goofy shit was.

I must be getting old. Get off my lawn, etc, etc.

69 Gus  May 18, 2014 12:39:54pm

re: #67 Sergey Romanov

Weird.

Very. Weird from a weirdo.

70 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 12:41:41pm

re: #69 Gus

First time I’ve heard of him.

71 Gus  May 18, 2014 12:42:51pm

re: #70 Sergey Romanov

First time I’ve heard of him.

Happens a lot. Couple of months ago I was like, “who the heck is Macklemore?” Still never listened to his music.

72 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 12:43:00pm
73 b_sharp  May 18, 2014 12:46:16pm

re: #71 Gus

Happens a lot. Couple of months ago I was like, “who the heck is Macklemore?” Still never listened to his music.

Still don’t know who he is.
Was he doing a Ringo Starr impression?

74 Gus  May 18, 2014 12:46:59pm

re: #70 Sergey Romanov

First time I’ve heard of him.

75 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 12:51:57pm

re: #73 b_sharp

Still don’t know who he is.
Was he doing a Ringo Starr impression?

That was my 1st thought, but Paul, George and John didn’t let Ringo that close to a mic!!!

76 Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2014 12:57:05pm

re: #28 FemNaziBitch

No we’re not. Just hope many of us come out to vote this November. Washington Post predicts that Republicans have a 77% chance of taking over the Senate. What a nightmare!

77 b.d.  May 18, 2014 12:57:29pm
Even putting aside the somewhat flat quality of Greenwald’s writing, No Place To Hide should be a more stirring book than it is: His Snowden scoop truly was a momentous event in investigative journalism, one that will continue to generate stories for years. And yet I confess that the effect of the book on me, as with the initial Snowden disclosures in 2013, was that it made me feel that I should be outraged, as opposed to actually making me outraged.

fullcomment.nationalpost.com

Jonathan Kay

The problem isn’t just that there’s “no place to hide.” It’s also there are precious few people to care.

Pretty good read.

78 b_sharp  May 18, 2014 12:58:00pm

re: #75 sattv4u2

That was my 1st thought, but Paul, George and John didn’t let Ringo that close to a mic!!!

Well, they did for at least one song.

79 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 1:00:12pm

re: #78 b_sharp

Well, they did for at least one song.

out of ,,,,,,,,, how many!?!?!?!

Prolly were tired of hearing him complain

“Hey chaps,,,, I can sing to, you know!!!”“

80 b_sharp  May 18, 2014 1:01:33pm

re: #79 sattv4u2

out of ,,,,,,,,, how many!?!?!?!

Prolly were tired of hearing him complain

“Hey chaps,,,, I can sing to, you know!!!”“

We he did sing it with a little help from his friends.

81 Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2014 1:03:20pm

re: #29 jaunte

Wasn’t Reagan older than Hilary Clinton when he first won in 1980? Also how long did he have alzheimer’s disease? Mrs. Clinton will not be the oldest person to seek the Presidency. This reeks of desperation on the Republicans’ part. Not a winning strategy at all. This may piss off enough White women that the majority of them may end up voting for her.

Also, I would much prefer an older Secretary Clinton than a youthful Rand Paul or Ted Cruz.

82 makeitstop  May 18, 2014 1:03:36pm

re: #78 b_sharp

Well, they did for at least one song.

Off the top of my head:

Boys
Act Naturally
Honey Don’t
What Goes On
Matchbox
Yellow Submarine
With A Little Help From My Friends
Don’t Pass Me By
Octopus’ Garden
Good Night

83 makeitstop  May 18, 2014 1:05:02pm

Also - I Wanna Be Your Man

84 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 1:05:28pm

re: #81 Patricia Kayden

Also how long did he have alzheimer’s disease?

Diagnosed with it 5 years after he left office

Passed away 10 years after

85 Charles Johnson  May 18, 2014 1:07:35pm
86 Gus  May 18, 2014 1:08:14pm
87 Pie-onist Overlord  May 18, 2014 1:11:18pm
Democrats Are the Ones Doing All Mass Shootings, GOP Cong. Candidate Says

He saw this fake meme:

88 Gus  May 18, 2014 1:13:01pm

re: #87 Pie-onist Overlord

He saw this fake meme:

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I like the blue areas near Glacier National Park and northern Maine on the fake map. Dangerous areas to live in! //

89 Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2014 1:14:48pm

re: #84 sattv4u2

Ok. Thanks.

90 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 1:15:29pm

re: #84 sattv4u2

Not 1975?!

//

91 PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2014 1:15:40pm

re: #88 Gus

And if you did not read you might actually believe what these “people” post on the internet.

92 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 1:22:07pm

re: #86 Gus

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Ugh.

93 Pie-onist Overlord  May 18, 2014 1:26:24pm

re: #88 Gus

I like the blue areas near Glacier National Park and northern Maine on the fake map. Dangerous areas to live in! //

I updated the meme.

94 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 1:28:44pm

re: #90 Rightwingconspirator

Not 1975?!

//

No. I’m pretty sure he was still alive then!!
/

95 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 1:29:00pm

SpaceX Dragon returns to Earth from space station

bigstory.ap.org

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — The commercial cargo ship Dragon returned to Earth from the International Space Station on Sunday, bringing back nearly 2 tons of science experiments and old equipment for NASA.

(snip)

“After a one-month visit, the SpaceX cargo ship was set loose Sunday morning. Astronaut Steven Swanson, the station commander, released it using the big robot arm as the craft zoomed more than 260 miles above the South Pacific.

(snip)

“The SpaceX Dragon is the only supply ship capable of returning items to Earth. The others burn up on re-entry. This was the fourth Dragon to bring back space station goods, with 3,500 pounds aboard; it came down off Mexico’s Baja California coast.”

I hope these commercial enterprises are grateful to the taxpayers and NASA for all the work done over the years to make it possible for them to profit from these ventures.

96 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 1:29:45pm

re: #83 makeitstop

Also - I Wanna Be Your Man

You’ll have to get permission from my wife 1st

97 Gus  May 18, 2014 1:29:47pm
98 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 1:30:42pm

Little note from a gun enthusiast gathering I went to recently. Someone made a dumb Obama taking our gunz comment. No laughter no applause. Stone cold silence. That is encouraging.

99 Gus  May 18, 2014 1:30:44pm

re: #92 Sergey Romanov

Ugh.

I’m sure you saw the images from Russia this most recent May Day.

100 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 1:33:04pm

re: #98 Rightwingconspirator

Yes it is. Now if the sane people would make enough noise to get themselves on TV and radio, that would be awesome.

101 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 1:33:12pm

You know this flew right over GG’s radar…

Update: Inmates at a maximum-security prison in northeast Brazil, who had taken 122 hostages during a riot, release all their remaining captives, officials say - @AFP
Read more on yahoo.com

102 gwangung  May 18, 2014 1:33:16pm

re: #98 Rightwingconspirator

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Little note from a gun enthusiast gathering I went to recently. Someone made a dumb Obama taking our gunz comment. No laughter no applause. Stone cold silence. That is encouraging.

Good.

There’s stuff we can all agree on. Restoring gun rights to violent felons should not be automatic. Folks who are not capable of wielding guns (through dementia or illness) should not be given guns. Research on guns and gun deaths should not be censored.

103 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 1:34:01pm

re: #100 A Mom Anon

Yes it is. Now if the sane people would make enough noise to get themselves on TV and radio, that would be awesome.

“Sane” doesn’t sell on TV/Radio

104 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 1:40:42pm

re: #103 sattv4u2

I get sick of hearing that though. The model is flawed, and that’s the reason nothing changes. It would if consumers pushed for it. The people who run TV and radio are telling us what we want and then turning around and telling us we asked for it. The majority of people are starving for information, they’ve just given up on finding it anywhere.

Things have gone so off the rails that if there were actual sane and informative debates people might pay attention. Instead the media goes to the same well over and over and all you see is the same pundits and “guests” over and over again. Some fresh faces and voices might be nice, people might like that. But no one bothers anymore because of the same old tropes that garbage is the only thing that sells. You’d think the cable news ratings would indicate how sick people are of this crap, but no one seems to grasp the concept.

105 blueraven  May 18, 2014 1:41:03pm

re: #81 Patricia Kayden

Wasn’t Reagan older than Hilary Clinton when he first won in 1980? Also how long did he have alzheimer’s disease? Mrs. Clinton will not be the oldest person to seek the Presidency. This reeks of desperation on the Republicans’ part. Not a winning strategy at all. This may piss off enough White women that the majority of them may end up voting for her.

Also, I would much prefer an older Secretary Clinton than a youthful Rand Paul or Ted Cruz.

If she chooses an idiot for VP such as McCain did with Palin, only then should her age/health become an issue.

106 darthstar  May 18, 2014 1:42:14pm

107 Varek Raith  May 18, 2014 1:44:27pm

re: #106 darthstar

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Only one way to find out…

108 William Barnett-Lewis  May 18, 2014 1:44:42pm

re: #98 Rightwingconspirator

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Little note from a gun enthusiast gathering I went to recently. Someone made a dumb Obama taking our gunz comment. No laughter no applause. Stone cold silence. That is encouraging.

They’re getting to the self defeating level. Now if we can keep the Cuomo’s & Bloombergs from doing stupid stuff (NY saw big NRA membership gains post the so-called SMART act) we might get to a sane place to start from.

109 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 1:46:17pm

re: #100 A Mom Anon

That’s a documentary project I hope to undertake one day. I’d like to give voice to us. I joined Gabby’s gun control organization. I like what they call for. But moderate voices are calm, few soundbites that grab clicks or ratings. To me I can’t have anything to do with HCI. It’s like ASPCA instead of PETA. Just my opinion of course.

As Satt was fast to point out-I fear if we put the money into a doc like that it would just fall flat as hell. That’s frustrating to me as I might be in a good place to do this one day. But if the right circumstance came along or the right personality became available, we would move fast as anyone to get it.

110 darthstar  May 18, 2014 1:47:44pm

re: #107 Varek Raith

Only one way to find out…

Hold my beer. I need to plug this in.

111 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 1:49:32pm

Dude replaced parliament
Renegade Libyan General Says Parliament Suspended

A group led by a renegade Libyan general said Sunday it suspended parliament after launching an attack against the legislative body.

Gen. Mokhtar Farnana, speaking on a Libyan television channel, said a group led by Gen. Khalifa Hifter had assigned a 60-member constituent’s assembly to take over for parliament

112 Gus  May 18, 2014 1:50:33pm
113 William Barnett-Lewis  May 18, 2014 1:52:02pm

re: #109 Rightwingconspirator

I joined Gabby’s gun control organization. I like what they call for. But moderate voices are calm, few soundbites that grab clicks or ratings. To me I can’t have anything to do with HCI. It’s like ASPCA instead of PETA. Just my opinion of course.

HCI/Brady Campaign is as crazy, in a different way but none-the-less, as the NRA.

I have hopes for the Gifford’s group but I put my money into trying to grow The Liberal Gun Club and their California lobbying arm.

114 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 1:52:52pm

re: #109 Rightwingconspirator

You’d have to grab them and draw them in. Gabby Giffords’ story is one of many that could be told in a way that would intrigue people I think. One place where small inroads could be made would be to find those sane people to debate someone they always call on from the NRA for example. That person would have to be prepared to raise their voice and be heard. and to deal with any hostility afterwards. I think it’s possible, but in addition to that, there would have to be an effort made to contact TV networks (in this example) just like the right wing does when they register their displeasure with something. A few hundred phone calls a day to a network would have some impact. But it would take a big push to get the message across. The ship might be sinking, but I don’t think it’s sunk just yet.

115 Varek Raith  May 18, 2014 1:53:40pm

Please, we will never have a serious gun debate in this country.
Gun nuts have seen to that.

116 Shiplord Kirel  May 18, 2014 1:54:10pm

re: #95 Justanotherhuman

SpaceX Dragon returns to Earth from space station

bigstory.ap.org

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — The commercial cargo ship Dragon returned to Earth from the International Space Station on Sunday, bringing back nearly 2 tons of science experiments and old equipment for NASA.

(snip)

“After a one-month visit, the SpaceX cargo ship was set loose Sunday morning. Astronaut Steven Swanson, the station commander, released it using the big robot arm as the craft zoomed more than 260 miles above the South Pacific.

(snip)

“The SpaceX Dragon is the only supply ship capable of returning items to Earth. The others burn up on re-entry. This was the fourth Dragon to bring back space station goods, with 3,500 pounds aboard; it came down off Mexico’s Baja California coast.”

I hope these commercial enterprises are grateful to the taxpayers and NASA for all the work done over the years to make it possible for them to profit from these ventures.

Commercial enterprises like Boeing, Chrysler, Lockheed-Martin, and a host of others have benefited from NASA contracts and technology from the beginning of the space age. The Apollo capsules were built at North American Aviation, now part of Boeing, and the landers by Grumman, now Northrop-Grumman. This work by SpaceX is similarly under NASA contract. The only thing new here is that SpaceX does it for about a third the cost, one sixth the cost in the case of their new Falcon Heavy rocket. One of the purposes of government funded research is to create new technologies that are then made available to all.

117 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 1:55:48pm

re: #112 Gus

The first sentence doesn’t work grammatically. Is that an announcement?

118 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 1:55:50pm

Outrage!
Iran actress’s Cannes kiss sparks ire back home

Iranian actress Leila Hatami on Sunday angered authorities in Tehran by kissing the Cannes film festival’s president on the cheek, an act seen as affront to the “chastity” of the Islamic republic’s women.

119 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 1:56:40pm

So you guys are really social media savvy. And we are aware that a certain age group often long established in small or medium size business is slow to get it. Don’t understand how to market like that. Or maybe use & get the net but don’t have the time and think a little original video is a lot of money.

So we worked up this product idea, we call it the “shoutout”. A 60-120 second HD multi cam “valentine” video of and about the heart and souls of these businesses. Starting at $350, maybe costs as much as $500 if it gets complex or we rent gear or travel far.

Good idea or not so much?

120 Gus  May 18, 2014 1:57:12pm

re: #117 Sergey Romanov

The first sentence doesn’t work grammatically. Is that an announcement?

I don’t know. More Cryptome arglebargle maybe.

121 Kragar  May 18, 2014 1:57:25pm

Look at the facts:

The NRA and other gun lobbyists make sure no one is able to really do a comprehensive study on the subject because they’re scared shitless of what it would show.

122 Testy Toad T  May 18, 2014 1:57:46pm

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel

The only thing new here is that SpaceX does it for about a third the cost, one sixth the cost in the case of their new Falcon Heavy rocket. One of the purposes of government funded research is to create new technologies that are then made available to all.

…Sort of. Spacex’s finances are not extraordinarily open, as one would expect for a private company. It’s not terribly clear exactly how much their launches are costing them in toto, among other things.

Spacex makes some perfectly decent rockets and capsules, but their primary achievement in the aerospace industry appears to be having a damned good PR office. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

123 Kragar  May 18, 2014 2:00:17pm

In other news, I can’t fucking walk

124 lawhawk  May 18, 2014 2:00:41pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Traitor is a badge of honor?

This is the list of those convicted of treason:

Robert Henry Best, convicted of treason on April 16, 1948 and served a life sentence.
John Brown, convicted of treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1859 and executed for attempting to organize armed resistance to slavery.
Iva Toguri D’Aquino, who is frequently identified with “Tokyo Rose” convicted 1949. Subsequently pardoned by President Gerald Ford.
Governor Thomas Dorr 1844, convicted of treason against the state of Rhode Island; see Dorr Rebellion; released in 1845; civil rights restored in 1851; verdict annulled in 1854.
Mildred Gillars, also known as “Axis Sally”, convicted of treason on March 8, 1949; served 12 years of a 10- to 30-year prison sentence.
Herbert Hans Haupt, German-born naturalized U.S. citizen, was convicted of treason in 1942 and executed after being named as a German spy by fellow German spies defecting to the United States.
Tomoya Kawakita, sentenced to death for treason in 1952, but eventually released by President John F. Kennedy to be deported to Japan.
Martin James Monti, United States Army Air Forces pilot, convicted of treason for defecting to the Waffen SS in 1944. He was paroled in 1960.
William Bruce Mumford, convicted of treason and hanged in 1862 for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War.
Aaron Dwight Stevens, took part in John Brown’s raid and was executed in 1860 for treason against Virginia.
Mary Surratt, Lewis Powell, David Herold, and George Atzerodt, all convicted by military tribunal and hanged on July 7, 1865 for treason and conspiracy related to the Lincoln assassination.
Philip Vigol and John Mitchell, convicted of treason and sentenced to hanging; pardoned by George Washington; see Whiskey Rebellion.

So, those involved in the Lincoln assassination are heroes? That’s a pretty odd view.

But he’s thinking it’s Snowden (or himself being called traitors for treasonous activities). Snowden clearly engaged in espionage, broke countless US laws, and could potentially be charged with treason (within the Constitutonal definition). He should go away for a long time - breaking big rocks into little ones, but Greenwald thinks he’s a hero.

That’s one heck of a pretzel moral flexibility.

125 darthstar  May 18, 2014 2:00:46pm

re: #112 Gus

Hellooo Marcy.

126 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 2:01:24pm

7 times this shit head has shown he’s a menace on the highway and gets off every time. He’s rich.

Protesters Demand Answers After Rich Man Avoids Any Jail Time For 7th DUI Conviction

thinkprogress.org

127 Shiplord Kirel  May 18, 2014 2:01:55pm

re: #122 Testy Toad T

…Sort of. Spacex’s finances are not extraordinarily open, as one would expect for a private company. It’s not terribly clear exactly how much their launches are costing them in toto, among other things.

Spacex makes some perfectly decent rockets and capsules, but their primary achievement in the aerospace industry appears to be having a damned good PR office. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Well, we know what they charge NASA and what they charge their commercial customers and we have the similar figures for their commercial competitors like Boeing. The figures and the results speak for themselves. Boeing and other legacy contractors have used their own PR and political muscle to cloud the real issues almost beyond recognition,

128 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 2:02:13pm

re: #121 Kragar

So maybe instead of traditional media we begin having these discussions locally? The point is we HAVE to talk about this stuff, one way or the other. If the NRA nutbars or Brady Campaign nitwits try to derail the conversations, they gotta GO, escort their asses outside. Bullies have been allowed to ruin the conversation for too long. Look at what’s happened to the Moms group who just want some sane gun laws. They’ve been threatened with murder and rape, just for being public with their concerns. What we need are the REAL responsible people and a lot of men to stand up too, it’s going to be the only way this crap gets knocked back. Bullies need to be met with the force they exert plus a little more, it’s the only way they’ll stop.

129 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 2:02:29pm

The first episode of Archer was underwhelming. Not losing hope yet.

130 lawhawk  May 18, 2014 2:02:54pm

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel

Space X is also using proprietary engine tech, as compared to Boeing/Lockheed, which are relying on a Russian licensed design for their heavy lift. That’s a huge problem, especially in the current situation.

131 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 2:02:59pm

re: #123 Kragar

In other news, I can’t fucking walk

Whaaa?!

132 Gus  May 18, 2014 2:04:07pm

CNN people.

133 Testy Toad T  May 18, 2014 2:04:23pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

Well, we know what they charge NASA and what they charge their commercial customers and we have the similar figures for their commercial competitors like Boeing. The figures and the results speak for themselves.

No… no, they don’t. Elon Musk is filthy damned rich and has an intense personal interest in the business, and he’s demonstrated that he’s quite willing to self-finance a project in its early stages. Spacex could hypothetically be charging NASA five percent of what it actually costs them to launch. That would be entirely their right.

Boeing and other legacy contractors have used their own PR and political muscle to cloud the real issues almost beyond recognition,

LOL. Well, I trust the shithead behind Paypal as far as I can throw him.

134 Gus  May 18, 2014 2:04:37pm

re: #123 Kragar

In other news, I can’t fucking walk

Why?

135 Feline Fearless Leader  May 18, 2014 2:04:49pm

re: #124 lawhawk

If the priority is filling his own bank account I’d expect GG to say just about anything that keeps him in the limelight and his ego inflated.

136 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 2:05:13pm

re: #132 Gus

CNN people.

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They don’t even need to get to the bottom of it - they’ve already hit the bottom.

137 Kragar  May 18, 2014 2:05:29pm

re: #131 Rightwingconspirator

Whaaa?!

I had volunteered to chaperone my kid’s school trip to Disneyland yesterday, so I was on my feet from 9:00 am to 7:30pm, most of the time standing around in lines.

138 lawhawk  May 18, 2014 2:05:58pm
139 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 2:06:11pm

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel

Commercial enterprises like Boeing, Chrysler, Lockheed-Martin, and a host of others have benefited from NASA contracts and technology from the beginning of the space age. The Apollo capsules were built at North American Aviation, now part of Boeing, and the landers by Grumman, now Northrop-Grumman. This work by SpaceX is similarly under NASA contract. The only thing new here is that SpaceX does it for about a third the cost, one sixth the cost in the case of their new Falcon Heavy rocket. One of the purposes of government funded research is to create new technologies that are then made available to all.

Yes, but I find it ironic that those whose basic political thought is libertarian (which some of these entrepreneurs are) would eliminate programs like NASA and, in fact, want very little “govt” to start with. If they prevailed, there would have never been a NASA.

140 Feline Fearless Leader  May 18, 2014 2:06:28pm

re: #134 Gus

Why?

Went way over his walking/standing quota yesterday is my expectation.

141 Varek Raith  May 18, 2014 2:07:21pm

re: #137 Kragar

I had volunteered to chaperone my kid’s school trip to Disneyland yesterday, so I was on my feet from 9:00 am to 7:30pm, most of the time standing around in lines.

15 miles in the snow!

142 Stanley Sea  May 18, 2014 2:07:36pm

re: #137 Kragar

I had volunteered to chaperone my kid’s school trip to Disneyland yesterday, so I was on my feet from 9:00 am to 7:30pm, most of the time standing around in lines.

AKA torture.

143 Shiplord Kirel  May 18, 2014 2:08:12pm

re: #133 Testy Toad T

No… no, they don’t. Elon Musk is filthy damned rich and has an intense personal interest in the business, and he’s demonstrated that he’s quite willing to self-finance a project in its early stages. Spacex could hypothetically be charging NASA five percent of what it actually costs them to launch. That would be entirely their right.

LOL. Well, I trust the shithead behind Paypal as far as I can throw him.

Sources? You know what mine are, the NASA budget and the published contracts with commercial operators. If Musk is making up huge losses from private funds, it would have to amount to billions of dollars a year. Any evidence he is putting money into it at anything like that scale?

144 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 18, 2014 2:08:36pm

re: #14 jaunte

I don’t understand why the Arizona Star doesn’t include some actual statistics on the shooting ‘fiascos’ he references. Aren’t they teaching reporters to do anything more than take down the quotes?

It is an article of faith that a mass shooter must be a terrorist or a Democrat.

145 Kragar  May 18, 2014 2:09:14pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

15 miles in the snow!

We managed to get on 5 whole rides during that time.

Apparently every other elementary, middle and high school, had chosen that day to be their class trip day as well.

146 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 2:09:18pm

re: #137 Kragar

Yipes, feet up and have that child fetch stuff for you. Feel better soon.

147 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 2:09:34pm

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is an article of faith clear sign of desperation that a mass shooter must be a terrorist or a Democrat.

:-) FTFY

148 Varek Raith  May 18, 2014 2:11:11pm

Mandatory background checks for all gun purchases.
Mandatory safety training for all gun owners every couple of years.
We can start there.

149 Shiplord Kirel  May 18, 2014 2:11:30pm

re: #139 Justanotherhuman

Yes, but I find it ironic that those whose basic political thought is libertarian (which some of these entrepreneurs are) would eliminate programs like NASA and, in fact, want very little “govt” to start with. If they prevailed, there would have never been a NASA.

SpaceX is one company, the original subject of your post. Who else are “these entrepreneurs?” Elon Musk is not a libertarian by any reasonable definition. He is in fact a minor devil in right wing demonology these days.

150 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 2:12:08pm

re: #119 Rightwingconspirator

So you guys are really social media savvy. And we are aware that a certain age group often long established in small or medium size business is slow to get it. Don’t understand how to market like that. Or maybe use & get the net but don’t have the time and think a little original video is a lot of money.

So we worked up this product idea, we call it the “shoutout”. A 60-120 second HD multi cam “valentine” video of and about the heart and souls of these businesses. Starting at $350, maybe costs as much as $500 if it gets complex or we rent gear or travel far.

Good idea or not so much?

I’d suggest you do one for one business as a freebie and use it to pitch the idea to others. It sounds like it *could* work, depending on the client.

But more importantly, what are you going to do besides produce the video? You going to put it on YouTube for them? Their Facebook page (assuming they have one)? How will you get it out there?

Most small businesses are horrible with online advertising. Whoever cracks that nut will be a billionaire. Lord knows all the bigs (Google, Yahoo, MS, Apple, etc.) have been trying.

151 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 2:13:24pm

re: #136 Sergey Romanov

They don’t even need to get to the bottom of it - they’ve already hit the bottom.

Morgan Spurlock who had a one-hit wonder with “Super Size Me”? Sheeesh.

152 CuriousLurker  May 18, 2014 2:14:14pm

Drive-by: This made me think of you guys. BBL

153 Kragar  May 18, 2014 2:15:42pm

re: #142 Stanley Sea

AKA torture.

It wasn’t that bad, except for all the time on my feet. It was 2 parents for 8 kids each and the kids behaved well for our group at least. The other group came in and the Mom there said the other Dad was worthless and didn’t help. They only managed to get into 2 rides that whole time.

So on the bright side, I now have the staff and moms at the school calling me the awesome dad.

Plus, while waiting for the buses, I wiped the floor with some teenagers in the parking lot in a lightsaber battle with 5 bus loads of elementary students watching, so I’m a god now. Got a round of applause as I made my way back to the kids.

154 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 2:16:49pm

re: #148 Varek Raith

Mandatory background checks for all gun purchases.
Mandatory safety training for all gun owners every couple of years.
We can start there.

Yes! Um oh boy this gets thick…. Setting aside NRA/ILA politics (please if just for a moment) but embrace the training / safety protocols? You’ll need a big cadre of instructors that can certify or fail the students. Then official tests. For each kind of shooting. CCW is a looong ways from clay pigeon sports.

155 RealityBasedSteve  May 18, 2014 2:17:17pm

re: #115 Varek Raith

Please, we will never have a serious gun debate in this country.
Gun nuts have seen to that.

The fact that they (the NRA and assorted groups) have made it virtually impossible for DCD CDC (How in the hell did I misspell that?) and other agencies to actually collect meaningful data means that they don’t WANT any kind of a serious debate.

RBS

156 Gus  May 18, 2014 2:17:21pm
157 Charles Johnson  May 18, 2014 2:18:32pm

re: #132 Gus

CNN people.

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Hard hitting.

158 Varek Raith  May 18, 2014 2:19:47pm

Ugh, tree pollen.
Death to trees!
Or something.

159 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 2:20:58pm

re: #150 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’d suggest you do one for one business as a freebie and use it to pitch the idea to others. It sounds like it *could* work, depending on the client.

But more importantly, what are you going to do besides produce the video? You going to put it on YouTube for them? Their Facebook page (assuming they have one)? How will you get it out there?

Most small businesses are horrible with online advertising. Whoever cracks that nut will be a billionaire. Lord knows all the bigs (Google, Yahoo, MS, Apple, etc.) have been trying.

Heh, we are doing several as freebies. One jewelry biz, one auto repair biz, one art gallery. And yes we will handle making a FB page for them and or a YouTube page to embed from. Maybe my niche is right between Google/YT/Pinterest etc. and the local hot dog guy. That’s our marketing pending some cash coming in. Very local so word of mouth need not travel.

160 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 2:20:59pm

re: #149 Shiplord Kirel

SpaceX is one company, the original subject of your post. Who else are “these entrepreneurs?” Elon Musk is not a libertarian by any reasonable definition. He is in fact a minor devil in right wing demonology these days.

We discussed him yesterday (?), and he has been called libertarian in other quarters, even though he appears to cozy up to Pres Obama on occasion, such as govt funding for Tesla.

“It’s unclear to what extent working alongside Thiel and the others colored the political views of Musk, who declined to be interviewed for this story. He has described himself as a libertarian (Ressi calls him a “hyper-pragmatist”) and has doled out $200,000 over the past four years to both Democrats and Republicans. “Elon is now looking at it from the point of view of a winner, and he doesn’t want to see other people win because they get government money,” speculates Motavalli, who interviewed Musk for High Voltage, his 2011 book about the electric vehicle industry. “I do think there is a tendency of people, once they have succeeded, to want to pull the ladder up after them.”

grist.org

161 Gus  May 18, 2014 2:21:15pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

Hard hitting.

162 Stanley Sea  May 18, 2014 2:21:24pm

re: #153 Kragar

ha, great!

163 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 2:26:26pm

re: #159 Rightwingconspirator

I like the idea, as a consumer/customer, I find it frustrating when an otherwise great little local business has either a horrible website or nothing at all except some ratings on Yelp or whatever. I would think small biz owners would love something easy and affordable to help them. They already have enough to do. Maybe you could offer a package where you update their stuff every 6 months or yearly too.

164 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 2:27:44pm

re: #159 Rightwingconspirator

Heh, we are doing several as freebies. One jewelry biz, one auto repair biz, one art gallery. And yes we will handle making a FB page for them and or a YouTube page to embed from. Maybe my niche is right between Google/YT/Pinterest etc. and the local hot dog guy. That’s our marketing pending some cash coming in. Very local so word of mouth need not travel.

Overall, sounds like a decent plan. Sort of how TV stations will go out and shoot/edit video for the local companies who buy ads on the station, but for online.

Hope it works out for you.

BTW, restaurant web sites are the worst. I can’t tell you how many really nice restaurants I’ve eaten in where I’ve went to the web site and it was absolute shit (can’t find the menu, the menu is haphazardly laid out, hasn’t been updated since 2008, no way to make reservations …).

165 blueraven  May 18, 2014 2:28:16pm

re: #151 Justanotherhuman

Morgan Spurlock who had a one-hit wonder with “Super Size Me”? Sheeesh.

I like Spurlock’s CNN show, Inside Man.

Some of the episodes have been very good. I especially like the one he did about migrant farm workers.

insideman.blogs.cnn.com

166 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 2:30:26pm

re: #163 A Mom Anon

I like the idea, as a consumer/customer, I find it frustrating when an otherwise great little local business has either a horrible website or nothing at all except some ratings on Yelp or whatever. I would think small biz owners would love something easy and affordable to help them. They already have enough to do. Maybe you could offer a package where you update their stuff every 6 months or yearly too.

Related to that, I had an idea once about hooking up with indie or low-budget musical groups (touring, have albums, etc.) and charging a monthly/yearly fee to keep their web site updated for them. I know a lot of artists whose sites start out strong and then just go fallow because they lose a record deal or the web person lost interest or left, whatever.

Wish I could do it, but I have a full-time job that pays well and I enjoy, so no time to entrepreneur it up.

167 Shiplord Kirel  May 18, 2014 2:32:01pm

re: #160 Justanotherhuman

We discussed him yesterday (?), and he has been called libertarian in other quarters, even though he appears to cozy up to Pres Obama on occasion, such as govt funding for Tesla.

“It’s unclear to what extent working alongside Thiel and the others colored the political views of Musk, who declined to be interviewed for this story. He has described himself as a libertarian (Ressi calls him a “hyper-pragmatist”) and has doled out $200,000 over the past four years to both Democrats and Republicans. “Elon is now looking at it from the point of view of a winner, and he doesn’t want to see other people win because they get government money,” speculates Motavalli, who interviewed Musk for High Voltage, his 2011 book about the electric vehicle industry. “I do think there is a tendency of people, once they have succeeded, to want to pull the ladder up after them.”

grist.org

Motavalli can speculate all he likes, and he did plenty of it in his book, but Musk has ardently sought government contracts for SpaceX, as his competitors do. One big difference is that Musk did personally finance the development of most of his engines and rockets. This is in contrast to the legacy contractors who used government money from the initial stages of development of their hardware. Boeing-ULA’s Delta IV Heavy is part of a long series of rockets that started with the Air Force funded Thor IRBM in the 50s.

168 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 2:33:40pm

re: #163 A Mom Anon

Great idea.

re: #164 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Overall, sounds like a decent plan. Sort of how TV stations will go out and shoot/edit video for the local companies who buy ads on the station, but for online.

Hope it works out for you.

BTW, restaurant web sites are the worst. I can’t tell you how many really nice restaurants I’ve eaten in where I’ve went to the web site and it was absolute shit (can’t find the menu, the menu is haphazardly laid out, hasn’t been updated since 2008, no way to make reservations …).

Thanks much! Of course we will Page a link as we get some of them done.

169 Varek Raith  May 18, 2014 2:37:48pm

Ah, screw it.
I’m putting the AC on to filter the air.

170 PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2014 2:38:28pm

re: #169 Varek Raith

That is what I have to do too. :(

171 Stanley Sea  May 18, 2014 2:39:12pm

re: #165 blueraven

I like Spurlock’s CNN show, Inside Man.

Some of the episodes have been very good. I especially like the one he did about migrant farm workers.

insideman.blogs.cnn.com

One show, years ago he had some other people do the role change - I remember the insurance (or whatever) guy who became Muslim. His attempts to fly for work were insane.

172 bratwurst  May 18, 2014 2:39:57pm
173 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 2:42:09pm

re: #165 blueraven

I like Spurlock’s CNN show, Inside Man.

Some of the episodes have been very good. I especially like the one he did about migrant farm workers.

insideman.blogs.cnn.com

Didn’t know he had a show there since I don’t have cable. I tried watching another one of his movies, but it was pretty boring. I did like “Super Size Me”, though.

174 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 2:43:17pm

re: #138 lawhawk

Maybe someone can explain this to me because I don’t get it. Why in the hell is it necessary to carry your gun into WalMart? I don’t get the need to be armed all the time. Why are these laws needed in the first place that allow this? And I say this as someone who has had a gun pulled on her. I am not that scared of the world that I feel the need to have a gun. We had one here for many years, but we sold it when our son was young and into EVERYTHING. He was, shall we say, a resourceful lad, who figured his way around many obstacles and we weren’t willing to risk having both him and a firearm in the same house. I just don’t get how many times people have to get hurt or killed before maybe we have some better rules regarding guns. Not take them away mind you, just get the stupid under some control.

175 goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2014 2:43:31pm

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel

This work by SpaceX is similarly under NASA contract. The only thing new here is that SpaceX does it for about a third the cost, one sixth the cost in the case of their new Falcon Heavy rocket. One of the purposes of government funded research is to create new technologies that are then made available to all.

So, basically anybody who came along at this juncture would benefit from the prior establishment of the technology.

Well, we know what they charge NASA and what they charge their commercial customers and we have the similar figures for their commercial competitors like Boeing. The figures and the results speak for themselves. Boeing and other legacy contractors have used their own PR and political muscle to cloud the real issues almost beyond recognition,

But the figures don’t speak for themselves, they’re separated by decades. I’m not sure how you compare the pioneering efforts in the Apollo program to the modern launch costs of Space X without including the R&D costs of the older programs and leaps in technology. Dragon, as awesome as it is for supply and return is not even human rated. Falcon heavy may turn out to lift at one sixth the cost, but again, what exactly is the basis for that comparison? For instance NASA’s SLS block II will carry almost six times more mass to LEO than Falcon Heavy.

176 Gus  May 18, 2014 2:45:23pm

re: #172 bratwurst

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CNN.

177 Shiplord Kirel  May 18, 2014 2:46:35pm

Okay, I give up. Elon Musk is evil, EVIL I say, The nefarious bastard secretly uses his PayPal money to pay 3/4 of the cost of every NASA and commercial launch he does, just so he can put honest patriotic companies like Boeing and Lockheed-Martin out of business. Then, as the next step in his Dark Design, he will invoke his secret libertarian magic to eliminate NASA entirely so he will have to pay 100% of his costs. Why would he do this? Because he is EVIL!

178 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 2:49:04pm

re: #177 Shiplord Kirel

You forgot to add a “moohahahaha”.

OK I’m going away now, lol. Going to watch a movie with The Husband.

179 Skip Intro  May 18, 2014 2:51:46pm

re: #56 Rightwingconspirator

Well there goes my appetite for lunch. GG on Al Jazeera America. This is beyond softball.

More like this

The new journalism

When does GG get his own channel on Sirius Radio?

180 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 2:52:13pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

Well yeah we all stand on the previous work. Reminds me of settlers v pioneers absent indian wars. That was a big part of what justified the costs NASA had and has. Lay the groundwork for private enterprise. Nothing wrong with that.

Not man rated YET-it is designed for manned flight.

Dragon is a free-flying spacecraft designed to deliver both cargo and people to orbiting destinations. Dragon made history in 2012 when it became the first commercial spacecraft in history to deliver cargo to the International Space Station and safely return cargo to Earth, a feat previously achieved only by governments. It is the only spacecraft currently flying that is capable of returning significant amounts of cargo to Earth. Currently Dragon carries cargo to space, but it was designed from the beginning to carry humans. Under an agreement with NASA, SpaceX is now developing the refinements that will enable Dragon to fly crew. Dragon’s first manned test flight is expected to take place in 2-3 years.

181 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 2:54:51pm

re: #177 Shiplord Kirel

Okay, I give up. Elon Musk is evil, EVIL I say, The nefarious bastard secretly uses his PayPal money to pay 3/4 of the cost of every NASA and commercial launch he does, just so he can put honest patriotic companies like Boeing and Lockheed-Martin out of business. Then, as the next step in his Dark Design, he will invoke his secret libertarian magic to eliminate NASA entirely so he will have to pay 100% of his costs. Why would he do this? Because he is EVIL!

No one said he’s “evil”; I simply said he’s a libertarian and I like to quote Charles on this—“Libertarians spoil everything”.

And pull up the ladder after themselves.

After all, aren’t the rich becoming more so and the rest of us suffering because of it? Wealth disparity is at the worst it’s ever been, and there’s a reason for that.

The 2014 Tesla Model S costs $69,900 and $93,400 for the “performance” model. I don’t know many people who could afford to pay that for a vehicle, even financed.

182 Skip Intro  May 18, 2014 2:57:50pm

re: #115 Varek Raith

Please, we will never have a serious gun debate in this country.
Gun nuts have seen to that.

I’ve come to the conclusion that we will never have a serious debate about anything in this country ever again as long as talk radio, Fox News, and insane internet blogs have any say in things.

183 Lidane  May 18, 2014 2:59:25pm

re: #115 Varek Raith

Please, we will never have a serious gun debate in this country.
Gun nuts have seen to that.

Yep.

There are things that people on both sides say they agree on: mandatory time in gun safety classes and mandatory time spent on a firing range before getting a CHL, background checks for the mentally ill or for felons, better means of keeping guns away from kids, etc. But the second anyone tries to offer a solution or a suggestion about those things, the gun nuts start screaming like stuck pigs about SECOND AMENDMENT ZOMG and crying about tyranny and Obama coming to disarm them.

There is no debate about guns in this country. Even something as horrific as Sandy Hook wasn’t enough. There are gun nuts that are Sandy Hook truthers, for fuck’s sake. In that kind of environment how could anything ever change?

184 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 2:59:31pm

This deal is worth almost $50 Billion.

AT&T to buy DirecTV for $95 a share as boards approve pact - @WSJbreakingnews
Read more on online.wsj.com

I suppose in a few years, we’ll see deals worth $1 Trillion, at this rate.

185 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 3:01:23pm

Another high dollar deal:

Pfizer raises its offer to buy AstraZeneca to $117 billion - @BloombergNews
Read more on businessweek.com

186 Pie-onist Overlord  May 18, 2014 3:04:59pm

re: #174 A Mom Anon

Maybe someone can explain this to me because I don’t get it. Why in the hell is it necessary to carry your gun into WalMart? I don’t get the need to be armed all the time. Why are these laws needed in the first place that allow this? And I say this as someone who has had a gun pulled on her. I am not that scared of the world that I feel the need to have a gun. We had one here for many years, but we sold it when our son was young and into EVERYTHING. He was, shall we say, a resourceful lad, who figured his way around many obstacles and we weren’t willing to risk having both him and a firearm in the same house. I just don’t get how many times people have to get hurt or killed before maybe we have some better rules regarding guns. Not take them away mind you, just get the stupid under some control.

BECAUSE FREEDUMB!!!!!! UR A COMMUNIST.

187 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 3:06:28pm

re: #181 Justanotherhuman

How is Elon Musk making that inequality worse? Lots of cars cost in that range. Most of them are more problematic for the environment. His model, that eschews dealers and the deep service infrastructure that goes with internal combustion and complicated transmissions-And I’ve read he pays employees a lot better than WalMart.

Elon Musk helped individual commerce a lot with paypal. Not saying it’s without flaws. With Space X he is keeping some industry here, taking from the Russians etc. With Tesla he is moving us past gasoline engines.

I’m not calling for sainthood for him but I’d love to see a lot more people like him. And I just don’t get the resentment that he made great money at it.

188 Shiplord Kirel  May 18, 2014 3:10:54pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

So, basically anybody who came along at this juncture would benefit from the prior establishment of the technology.

But the figures don’t speak for themselves, they’re separated by decades. I’m not sure how you compare the pioneering efforts in the Apollo program to the modern launch costs of Space X without including the R&D costs of the older programs and leaps in technology. Dragon, as awesome as it is for supply and return is not even human rated. Falcon heavy may turn out to lift at one sixth the cost, but again, what exactly is the basis for that comparison? For instance NASA’s SLS block II will carry almost six times more mass to LEO than Falcon Heavy.

I was referring to the figures for the current contracted charges to NASA and the various commercial launch clients like Intelsat. These are indisputably lower in SpaceX’s case. The one sixth figure is a direct unit mass to leo comparison of contracted charges for Falcon Heavy vs. ULA’s Delta IV Heavy.
SLS block II is nearly 20 years away if it flies at all, while Falcon Heavy has a firm dollars and cents contract to launch an Air Force payload from Vandenberg next year. LEO payload of SLS II is projected to be up to 290,000 lbs, less than 3 times Falcon Heavy’s 116.000 lbs. SLS will of course be built by contractors, probably the usual gang of Boeing and Lockheed, or their corporate successors. It is impossible to even speculate about what the final costs will be.

189 Shiplord Kirel  May 18, 2014 3:14:10pm

re: #187 Rightwingconspirator

How is Elon Musk making that inequality worse? Lots of cars cost in that range. Most of them are more problematic for the environment. His model, that eschews dealers and the deep service infrastructure that goes with internal combustion and complicated transmissions-And I’ve read he pays employees a lot better than WalMart.

Elon Musk helped individual commerce a lot with paypal. Not saying it’s without flaws. With Space X he is keeping some industry here, taking from the Russians etc. With Tesla he is moving us past gasoline engines.

I’m not calling for sainthood for him but I’d love to see a lot more people like him. And I just don’t get the resentment that he made great money at it.

Exactly. I really don’t know a lot about Tesla, my interest is in spaceflight. SpaceX is making spaceflight practical and saving the taxpayers billions in the process, while the legacy contractors seek only to make it profitable for themselves,

190 Lidane  May 18, 2014 3:15:39pm

re: #181 Justanotherhuman

The 2014 Tesla Model S costs $69,900 and $93,400 for the “performance” model. I don’t know many people who could afford to pay that for a vehicle, even financed.

True, but Tesla has said they want to make more affordable cars so that the average consumer can buy them.

Honestly, one of the biggest obstacles right now is lack of infrastructure. For example, even if I could afford a Tesla (I wish!) I wouldn’t buy one just because the electric charging super stations are few and far between in this state. Up here in Austin there are a few. There are some in San Antonio. But if I went further south than that, say to visit my mother, I wouldn’t have a quick charge station anywhere on my route. If I went from Mom’s house to Laredo? Same thing. Much as I’d love to own a 100% electric vehicle, they’re not practical in some parts of the country yet, even if they were sold at a reasonable price.

191 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 3:20:21pm

What’s with all the Musk sniping? (pro and con)

FWIW, I do think he’s operating in rare air with the Teslas, catering to a certain clientele that has money to burn. Will be interesting to see how he fairs once some of the other luxury manufacturers start putting out serious hybrid/electric competition.

As to the SpaceX question, I have qualms about the U.S. relying on private vehicles to access space. Much as I would have a problem with them relying on private aircraft carriers. It makes me uneasy, because - as we just saw with the Russians - nothing is guaranteed when you’re dealing with a third party.

192 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 3:20:49pm

re: #190 Lidane

True, but Tesla has said they want to make more affordable cars so that the average consumer can buy them.

Honestly, one of the biggest obstacles right now is lack of infrastructure. For example, even if I could afford a Tesla (I wish!) I wouldn’t buy one just because the electric charging super stations are few and far between in this state. Up here in Austin there are a few. There are some in San Antonio. But if I went further south than that, say to visit my mother, I wouldn’t have a quick charge station anywhere on my route. If I went from Mom’s house to Laredo? Same thing. Much as I’d love to own a 100% electric vehicle, they’re not practical in some parts of the country yet, even if they were sold at a reasonable price.

I strongly suspect this is an intermediate technology. Pure electric does not work out other than as a niche until the recharge / refuel time is a few minutes. When a fuel cell can be refilled with H or methane (and the carbon rendered solid in a container) in 30 minutes or less we are all good to go. But that’s just not here yet. I’m reminded of powered flight that was possible earlier but had to wait for more powerful engines to come out.

193 De Kolta Chair  May 18, 2014 3:39:45pm

Examinerdotcom has an informative take-down of this moran’s assertion that most mass shooters are registered Democrats…
.
examiner.com

194 Shiplord Kirel  May 18, 2014 3:59:16pm

re: #191 Rev_Arthur_Belling

What’s with all the Musk sniping? (pro and con)

FWIW, I do think he’s operating in rare air with the Teslas, catering to a certain clientele that has money to burn. Will be interesting to see how he fairs once some of the other luxury manufacturers start putting out serious hybrid/electric competition.

As to the SpaceX question, I have qualms about the U.S. relying on private vehicles to access space. Much as I would have a problem with them relying on private aircraft carriers. It makes me uneasy, because - as we just saw with the Russians - nothing is guaranteed when you’re dealing with a third party.

In what important sense is the Dragon a private vehicle? What does the term mean exactly, and how does this make it less desirable than the various alternatives? The Dragon is operated under NASA contract, just as the Shuttle was and just as the legacy contractors’ proposed and speculative competitors would be. The big difference is that Dragon exists now.
Going way back, the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo vehicles were operated in house by NASA, with a great deal of contractor input, but they were also designed and built by private entities (though with government money). Much more of SpaceX’s hardware development has been done with their own money, but I hardly see that as a drawback.

195 urbanmeemaw  May 18, 2014 4:47:36pm

re: #163 A Mom Anon

A friend of mine worked for an online marketing company for awhile, and as part of its service it helped clients maximize exposure on Google by getting more hits on web sites. I have no idea how all that works, I just know from her that that expertise provides great added value, in addition to the producing/updating Facebook/web sites, Twitter, etc.

196 urbanmeemaw  May 18, 2014 4:50:18pm

re: #164 Rev_Arthur_Belling

That sounds like a fun project. However, I am amazed at how bad websites are for larger companies as well.

197 urbanmeemaw  May 18, 2014 4:53:36pm

re: #174 A Mom Anon

Someone has to shoot the fruit flies that have invaded the produce department. Duh!!!

//snark

198 ReamWorks SKG  May 19, 2014 8:26:42am

Just out of curiosity (and I am in NO WAY supporting this guy’s positions), has anyone fact-checked these figures and found the political affiliation of “mass shooters?”

Right off the bat, 99% can’t be correct because some of the most famous shooters (Columbine) weren’t of voting age….


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