1 | RealityBasedSteve May 29, 2014 4:14:56pm |
As always Charles… good pick. The only things that keep me from playing like that and posting it to youtube is that I don’t have a good camera, a les paul, and oh yea…. I’ve got absolutely NO FREAKING MUSICAL TALENT AT ALL!!!!!… I have a serious envy thing going for people who do.
Oh well, maybe the next life…
RBS
2 | wrenchwench May 29, 2014 4:22:19pm |
2014 Sneak Peek: Pseudo Manitou #bikes #art #posters #msp #artcrank pic.twitter.com/sAwumDVciT— ARTCRANK® (@ARTCRANK) May 29, 2014
3 | Kragar May 29, 2014 4:23:17pm |
ICYMI
Mecha Panda because Mecha Panda, you bastards pic.twitter.com/YJ8mUr4goG— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) May 29, 2014
4 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 4:23:59pm |
Love the blues. Especially when it’s this good. Always gets me in a sexy mood. Forget the romantic ballads. : )
5 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 4:25:47pm |
Wow. I’m not much of a Bloomberg fan but I gotta give mad props for this
Michael Bloomberg Blasts Ivy League For Liberal ‘Censorship’
Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg accused the entire Ivy League of liberal political bias during a particularly fiery commencement address at Harvard University Thursday.
“It is just a modern form of McCarthyism,” Bloomberg said of university “censorship” of conservatives. “Think about the irony: In the 1950s, the right wing was attempting to repress left wing ideas. Today, on many college campuses, it is liberals trying to repress conservative ideas even as conservative faculty members are at risk of becoming an endangered species”
“And that is probably nowhere more true than it is here in the Ivy League,” declared Bloomberg.
It’s almost unbelievable that he said this. Are we going to learn tomorrow this is some sort of viral hoax story that never happened?
6 | JustMark May 29, 2014 4:28:28pm |
Goes very nicely with the glass of whiskey I just poured…
7 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 4:29:06pm |
Spent the money on Tropico 5. Good game and suitably challenging which is something which is lacking from most city building games. But the interface is quirky and hard to control sometimes. Roads are buggy, building don’t always work. The mechanics aren’t as tight as other city builders like Banished. But still a fun game with plenty or replay value.
8 | Kragar May 29, 2014 4:30:14pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
Spent the money on Tropico 5. Good game and suitably challenging which is something which is lacking from most city building games. But the interface is quirky and hard to control sometimes. Roads are buggy, building don’t always work. The mechanics aren’t as tight as other city builders like Banished. But still a fun game with plenty or replay value.
I regret now that I spent the money on Wolfenstein
9 | Targetpractice May 29, 2014 4:30:29pm |
10 | darthstar May 29, 2014 4:31:43pm |
Snowden’s getting no respect (as is appropriate) from anyone who has an actual educated opinion on this whole thing.
“He was not trained as a spy. We have no idea where that assertion comes from.” - Susan Rice on Snowden (said in Charlie Rose interview)— Sam Stein (@samsteinhp) May 29, 2014
12 | EPR-radar May 29, 2014 4:32:53pm |
re: #5 Killgore Trout
From the article
In the 2012 presidential race, according to Federal Election Commission data, 96% of all campaign contributions from Ivy League faculty and employees went to Barack Obama,” he said. “There was more disagreement among the old Soviet politburo than there is among Ivy League donors.
Given the seething hatred the GOP has for science and all forms of learning and thinking, 96% seems just about right on the merits from a university crowd.
13 | RealityBasedSteve May 29, 2014 4:34:46pm |
re: #4 Justanotherhuman
Love the blues. Especially when it’s this good. Always gets me in a sexy mood. Forget the romantic ballads. : )
For me, this was alway one of my favorite ‘make out’ tunes…
RBS
14 | Targetpractice May 29, 2014 4:34:55pm |
re: #8 Kragar
I regret now that I spent the money on Wolfenstein
Where as I am getting the crash course in XCOM: Enemy Within. Kinda wish they’d given a heads-up that lasers take longer now and that reaper rounds are the way to go before the first terror mission.
16 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 4:35:06pm |
Not that there is anything wrong with pursuing different avenues of education, but this is just screwed up, and would have been a red flag for most people trying to get a job with the “govt”.
1998
Snowden attends the first semester of 10th grade but drops out before continuing the second semester. He would have been in the class of 2001.
(So, he was a 10th grade dropout, and from what I’ve read previously, a “poor” student, so the rest of his “education” makes no sense whatsoever._
1999
Snowden enrolls in credit courses at Anne Arundel Community College. He continues attending classes for the next six years, taking breaks during the spring semesters of 2002 and 2003.
(Doesn’t say what kind of classes, whether he passed them, how many he took. For 6 years? And did not get a degree or diploma of any kind?)
He was even able to enlist in the Army as a Special Services Forces recruit? Today, w/o a HS diploma or GED, you don’t get in. Was discharged less than 4 mos later with 2 broken legs?
So, with this kind of record, he says the CIA stationed him under “diplomatic cover” in 2007 in Geneva?
There’s something seriously wrong with this guy’s background.
17 | klys May 29, 2014 4:35:08pm |
re: #12 EPR-radar
From the article
Given the seething hatred the GOP has for science and all forms of learning and thinking, 96% seems just about right on the merits from a university crowd.
As I recall, the more education one has, the more likely one is to agree with the Democratic party.
I’m sure there’s absolutely no correlation between these things though.
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18 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 4:38:12pm |
re: #8 Kragar
I regret now that I spent the money on Wolfenstein
I didn’t look very good to me. I have plenty of nostalgia for the series but shooters just don’t interest me much anymore.
19 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 4:38:15pm |
20 | EPR-radar May 29, 2014 4:39:18pm |
re: #17 klys
As I recall, the more education one has, the more likely one is to agree with the Democratic party.
I’m sure there’s absolutely no correlation between these things though.
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Another big fail in that stupid Bloomberg piece is that he fails to consider the possibility that “conservative ideas” are falling out of favor because they are demonstrated failures. Instead, repression by liberals is the only possibility considered.
21 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 4:40:15pm |
I used to have a beautiful tobacco sunburst Les Paul just like that - until it was broken when some assholish airline flight attendants wouldn’t let me carry it on, and it had to go in a non-anvil case. When I found it at baggage claim, the neck was snapped completely in half. Totally ruined. I still get mad remembering it.
22 | prairiefire May 29, 2014 4:40:23pm |
School’s almost out! Just a 1/2 day for the kids tomorrow and we are done!
24 | Gus May 29, 2014 4:40:35pm |
Cliven Bundy. Edward Snowden. Same tree. Different branch. pic.twitter.com/IB3Eja0SCW— Gus (@Gus_802) May 29, 2014
25 | RealityBasedSteve May 29, 2014 4:41:07pm |
re: #10 darthstar
Snowden’s getting no respect (as is appropriate) from anyone who has an actual educated opinion on this whole thing.
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Perhaps from drek like this…. This is from TownHall, and no, I’m not going to dignify it with a linkback…
With heart-pounding suspense, John le Carre-like intrigue and Jeffersonian fidelity to the principles of human freedom, Glenn Greenwald has just published “No Place to Hide.” The book, which reads like a thriller, is Greenwald’s story of his nonstop two weeks of work in May and June of 2013 in Hong Kong with former CIA agent and NSA contractor-turned-whistleblower Edward Snowden. Greenwald was the point person who coordinated the public release of the 1.7 million pages of NSA documents that Snowden took with him in order to prove definitively that the federal government is spying on all of us all the time.
Considering that the source is Judge Napolitano, you would think that he would understand the difference between proof and wild speculation. Guess not…
RBS
26 | Decatur Deb May 29, 2014 4:41:49pm |
re: #16 Justanotherhuman
Not that there is anything wrong with pursuing different avenues of education, but this is just screwed up…snip
He was even able to enlist in the Army as a Special Services recruit? Today, w/o a HS diploma or GED, you don’t get in. Was discharged less than 4 mos later with 2 broken legs?
So, with this kind of record, he says the CIA stationed him under “diplomatic cover” in 2007 in Geneva?
There’s something seriously wrong with this guy’s background.
Is the bolding accurate in the article/document? Special Services is not Special Troops, is not Special Forces.
27 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 4:41:50pm |
Bloomberg continued, occasionally being interrupted by moderate applause.
lol
28 | RealityBasedSteve May 29, 2014 4:45:51pm |
re: #26 Decatur Deb
Is the bolding accurate in the article/document? Special Services is not Special Troops, is not Special Forces.
When I was in, “Special Services” was known as “Socks and Jocks”. It was working at one of the gyms, handing out towels, stuff like that, since you couldn’t be trusted to do anything else. It was about as far from SF as you could get and still be in the same time zone.
RBS
30 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 4:47:21pm |
re: #26 Decatur Deb
Is the bolding accurate in the article/document. Special Services is not Special Troops, is not Special Forces.
Oh, sorry. My mistake—s/b Special Forces. Will correct.
31 | EPR-radar May 29, 2014 4:47:38pm |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
lol
On the subject of lol, more from Bloomberg
Neither party has a monopoly of truth or God on its side. When 96% of Ivy League donors prefer one candidate to another, you really have to wonder whether students are being exposed to the diversity of views that a great university should offer,” Bloomberg continued, occasionally being interrupted by moderate applause. “A university cannot be great if its faculty is political homogeneous.
This is stupid magical balance fairy shit. It is true that the Democrats aren’t perfect. However, the Republicans have been sufficiently corrupted by the festering elements in US politics that they’ve assembled into their coalition of the resentful that summarizing the GOP as “the evil party” is entirely appropriate.
One does not do a balancing act between “just about completely evil” and “markedly less evil”.
The GOP has no ideas or policy positions that can thrive anywhere outside the right wing noise machine. Nothing they have to say would be of interest at a university where ideas are considered and critiqued on their merits.
32 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 4:50:09pm |
Snowden reminds me of another chronic Quitter who became famous.
33 | klys May 29, 2014 4:51:46pm |
re: #31 EPR-radar
Because all the faculty members I know and have learned from have dragged their political views into the classroom and made it an issue.
Yep.
Happened all the time in my materials science classes. It was hard to learn the thermodynamics over it!
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On a more serious note, the only faculty member I could say I knew the political leanings of with confidence was my Ph.D. advisor, and that was something I learned over the course of 6 years. And we never really talked about it despite being of a similar general mindset. Because it wasn’t relevant to what I was there for.
I did, however, learn a shit ton about critical thinking and asking questions, which is more than anything what higher education is supposed to promote, regardless of political viewpoints.
34 | ObserverArt May 29, 2014 4:52:02pm |
I got to see Carlos still in Santana on the Caravanserai tour spring of ‘73. One mellow concert. They played the whole album with a moment of silence/prayer/spiritual break in the middle. Then they did a few songs after that, but no Black Magic Woman or Evil Ways which of course pissed off a lot of people.
And, they nailed the sound. It was in St. John arena on the Ohio State campus. A big old rumble generator building. All they had for a PA was horns. Stacks of horns of all ranges. I had never seen anyone do that before. I guess they realized any low bass just fed the big rumble that was natural for the building, so no real low ends and the let the sound of the place do the low stuff. It worked beautifully. Best show I ever saw sound wise in that ol’ place. And I sure did see a few in there.
Saw Carlos by himself (sort of like the video with a backing band) at Polaris Amphitheater in ‘96. It was good, but I’ll never forget the Caravanserai show.
35 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 4:53:27pm |
re: #29 Gus
I might put a martini glass in those paws,,, uh feet, whatever. Just to remind me of the occasional Lizard lounge thread.
36 | Bubblehead II May 29, 2014 4:54:09pm |
Hey Charles. Slight problem Here. Tweets w/pics only display/load maybe 1/4 of the post. On refresh, it loads everything fine.
Running (I presume) the latest version Firefox (can’t find the V number) as the program doesn’t have an info tab that I can find.
Forgot to add Win 7 Pro 64 bit.
Any suggestions?
37 | EPR-radar May 29, 2014 4:57:05pm |
re: #33 klys
…
I did, however, learn a shit ton about critical thinking and asking questions, which is more than anything what higher education is supposed to promote, regardless of political viewpoints.
This is why the GOP hates higher education. GOP dogma these days consists largely of falsehoods presented as self-evident facts, and they are deathly afraid of a “where are the Emperor’s clothes?” moment.
38 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 4:58:06pm |
I just mah Joe Bonamassa. When he plays and Beth Hart sits in for vocals I’m just entranced. After work, with a little adult libation in hand, good times.
39 | nines09 May 29, 2014 4:58:25pm |
I highly recommend you do whatever it takes to see Joe Bonamassa live. His current band and show is half acoustic and half electric and 100% bad ass. One classy act. Don’t miss it.
40 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 4:59:23pm |
Beth and Joe, in studio
41 | JustMark May 29, 2014 5:02:12pm |
re: #39 nines09
I highly recommend you do whatever it takes to see Joe Bonamassa live. His current band and show is half acoustic and half electric and 100% bad ass. One classy act. Don’t miss it.
I saw him with Black Country Communion. While he wasn’t the focus, he was still amazing - the whole band was.
42 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 5:03:08pm |
It was 91 today. We’re having a bit of a t&l storm, but it’s moving on.
43 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 5:05:48pm |
re: #31 EPR-radar
One does not do a balancing act between “just about completely evil” and “markedly less evil”.
The GOP has no ideas or policy positions that can thrive anywhere outside the right wing noise machine. Nothing they have to say would be of interest at a university where ideas are considered and critiqued on their merits.
One of the indicators of extremism is the inability to see any value in opponents. You can see it when people say there are no moderate Muslims or when racists say black people are poor because because they’re lazy. It’s a mentality that allows for discriminatory practices, racial and philosophical discrimination. If Republicans are really as evil as you believe then why not just outlaw then as a danger to society?
44 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 5:09:29pm |
hey guys
on an lgf page i posted there’s a number 9 on the twitter icon thing there, but when i click it i just get a dialog asking if i want to retweet it
what’s the number 9 mean and if it means i was tweeted at or something how do i access that information?
45 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 5:10:56pm |
Michael Bloomberg Harvard Commencement Speech 2014
46 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 5:11:50pm |
re: #43 Killgore Trout
One of the indicators of extremism is the inability to see any value in opponents. You can see it when people say there are no moderate Muslims or when racists say black people are poor because because they’re lazy. It’s a mentality that allows for discriminatory practices, racial and philosophical discrimination. If Republicans are really as evil as you believe then why not just outlaw then as a danger to society?
works for me
seriously, i believe the current republican party exists as a way to promote the agenda of multinational corporations using the tools of mass lying in order to get ordinary people to vote them in to office to implement it
so, eeeeeeebil
47 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 5:12:23pm |
Ammonium nitrate involved.
Police confirm fire is at fertilizer plant in Athens, Texas; authorities evacuated 5-block radius around plant - via @NCBNews
End of alert
Texas.
48 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 5:12:33pm |
re: #44 dog philosopher
hey guys
on an lgf page i posted there’s a number 9 on the twitter icon thing there, but when i click it i just get a dialog asking if i want to retweet it
what’s the number 9 mean and if it means i was tweeted at or something how do i access that information?
That’s the number of click-throughs from Twitter to your Page - the number of clicks on our custom lgf . bz shortened links.
49 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 5:13:31pm |
re: #37 EPR-radar
This is why the GOP hates higher education. GOP dogma these days consists largely of falsehoods presented as self-evident facts, and they are deathly afraid of a “where are the Emperor’s clothes?” moment.
Did Bloomberg say Republicans or conservative thought? To give the GOP an exclusive overlap is wrong in numerous ways. For one it tarnishes decades of conservative thought with the current GOP extreme, a position demonstrably false. For another that serves the critics who would broad brush that very well in a self serving way. “MBF” does not change that.
California has a moderately fiscal conservative Governor. So much so he still needs a little help from the California GOP legislators to offset the further out there pols on the left.
50 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 5:13:48pm |
He said that an unwillingness to listen to political opponents has led to gridlock in Washington.
“The two parties decide those questions not by engaging with one another but by trying to shout each other down and by trying to repress and undermine the research that counters their ideology,” he said. “The more our universities emulate that model the worse off we will be as a society.”
Attendees expressed surprise at the tone of his speech.
51 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 5:15:02pm |
re: #48 Charles Johnson
That’s the number of click-throughs from Twitter to your Page - the number of clicks on our custom lgf . bz shortened links.
aha - fanks!
52 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 5:17:33pm |
re: #46 dog philosopher
works for me
seriously, i believe the current republican party exists as a way to promote the agenda of multinational corporation using the tools of mass lying in order to get ordinary people to vote them in to office to implement it
so, eeeeeeebil
I don’t think you really believe that, at least I hope you don’t. It’s a very scary mentality when people really start to think about criminalizing political opponents. I get that it’s an appeal power fantasy for some people but hopefully very few would actually put the plan in action.
53 | sagehen May 29, 2014 5:19:05pm |
re: #17 klys
As I recall, the more education one has, the more likely one is to agree with the Democratic party.
I’m sure there’s absolutely no correlation between these things though.
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Only in some majors.
If your higher education is an MBA, an accounting degree, or a pre-law econ major at certain top tier institutions, engineering, or you went to a military academy. Those skew conservative.
54 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 5:20:22pm |
re: #52 Killgore Trout
I don’t think you really believe that, at least I hope you don’t. It’s a very scary mentality when people really start to think about criminalizing political opponents. I get that it’s an appeal power fantasy for some people but hopefully very few would actually put the plan in action.
criminalize? outlaw? not literally, no
my attitude is that of cato the elder:
republican party delenda est
55 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 5:20:42pm |
re: #36 Bubblehead II
Hey Charles. Slight problem Here. Tweets w/pics only display/load maybe 1/4 of the post. On refresh, it loads everything fine.
Running (I presume) the latest version Firefox (can’t find the V number) as the program doesn’t have an info tab that I can find.
Forgot to add Win 7 Pro 64 bit.
Any suggestions?
Yeah - that’s a bug in Firefox, so unfortunately there’s nothing I can do to fix it. It’s not adjusting the size of the embedded tweet properly.
56 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 5:21:17pm |
$2B. $2B. $2B.
More: Steve Ballmer won bidding war for Los Angeles Clippers over David Geffen, Los Angeles-based investor Tony Ressler; Donald Sterling must still approve deal, sources tell @latimes
Read more on latimes.com
1h
Report: Former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to buy Los Angeles Clippers for a record $2 billion - @latimes
Read more on latimes.com
57 | freetoken May 29, 2014 5:21:55pm |
re: #50 Killgore Trout
Bloomberg - not the last good Republican.
58 | freetoken May 29, 2014 5:22:48pm |
re: #56 Justanotherhuman
IOW, Sterling is about to make a shit-load of money off this scandal.
59 | sagehen May 29, 2014 5:23:57pm |
re: #58 freetoken
IOW, Sterling is about to make a shit-load of money off this scandal.
And this is why capital gains tax should be at the old rate.
60 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 5:24:00pm |
re: #56 Justanotherhuman
$2B. $2B. $2B.
More: Steve Ballmer won bidding war for Los Angeles Clippers over David Geffen, Los Angeles-based investor Tony Ressler; Donald Sterling must still approve deal, sources tell @latimes
Read more on latimes.com1h
Report: Former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to buy Los Angeles Clippers for a record $2 billion - @latimes
Read more on latimes.com
maybe the whole flap was engineered by sterling as a way to sell the clippers quickly and with maximum publicity
61 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 5:24:15pm |
David Geffen confirms that his group that included Larry Ellison, Oprah and Laurene Jobs has withdrawn from the Los Angeles Clippers bidding - @darrenrovell
see original on twitter.com
62 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 5:24:16pm |
Snowden responds to release of e-mail by NSA - and oddly enough, makes the same argument Marcy Wheeler made earlier http://t.co/bTHC8RJMnS— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 30, 2014
63 | freetoken May 29, 2014 5:25:16pm |
re: #59 sagehen
And this is why capital gains tax should be at the old rate.
I am probably a minority on this one, but I think “capital gains” should be treated as income, save perhaps for the cases where an in-kind trade is made (say trading someone pieces of art.)
64 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 5:25:20pm |
re: #55 Charles Johnson
Just noticing that for all the documents that Snowden stole and that were released, none support his key contentions-he was a spy, and that he had tried to get his grievances fixed within. So he did not steal proof of his situation? Uh huh.
I mentioned you called out NBC to change their report retract certain parts to LWC/Not Approved. He says “look at all the retractions 60 minutes had to do this year.”
Then I mentioned “right CBS once had to retract an Anchorman”.
65 | EPR-radar May 29, 2014 5:25:41pm |
re: #49 Rightwingconspirator
Did Bloomberg say Republicans or conservative thought? To give the GOP an exclusive overlap is wrong in numerous ways. For one it tarnishes decades of conservative thought with the current GOP extreme, a position demonstrably false. For another that serves the critics who would broad brush that very well in a self serving way. “MBF” does not change that.
California has a moderately fiscal conservative Governor. So much so he still needs a little help from the California GOP legislators to offset the further out there pols on the left.
From the article, Bloomberg appeared to be drawing all his conclusions from the difference in donations by Ivy Leaguers to Democrats and Republicans. So presumably Bloomberg thinks some kind of balance between the Democrats and Republicans would be better.
If the Republicans weren’t so consistently awful, I wouldn’t have a beef with Bloomberg’s position.
With respect to Jerry Brown in CA, I’m reluctant to call him a “conservative”. He seems fiscally sound, but that is hardly a “conservative” quality these days.
66 | Gus May 29, 2014 5:25:44pm |
Almost 250,000 dead in the Syrian war with no end in sight. People dying of cancer every day with little hope for a cure for many people. Gun crimes. Mass shootings. Stabbings. Climate change. Sexual assaults. Hate crimes against people because of their religion, sexual orientation, or the color of their skin. Racism. Ethnocentrism. Xenophobia. Conflicts on the African continent and almost every continent. Joblessness. An unlivable minimum wage. Nuclear proliferation. Missing girls. Sex trafficking. Heroin addiction. Depression. Alcoholism. Drug abuse. Droughts. Ignorance. Coal burning and smog. Air pollution. Water pollution. Child abuse. Animal abuse. Unbearable student loans. Homelessness. Veterans care. Suicides.
Yet the most important thing in the world.
Edward Snowden.
67 | RealityBasedSteve May 29, 2014 5:25:45pm |
re: #62 Charles Johnson
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One would almost think that the response was being carefully stage managed. But that would be cynical, wouldn’t it?
RBS
68 | klys May 29, 2014 5:26:04pm |
re: #53 sagehen
Only in some majors.
If your higher education is an MBA, an accounting degree, or a pre-law econ major at certain top tier institutions, engineering, or you went to a military academy. Those skew conservative.
Right, I guess I forgot to add the actual ability to ask questions and think critically part, versus simple regurgitation of information.
//
Really, I should have remembered who started this conversation and just move along.
69 | freetoken May 29, 2014 5:26:58pm |
re: #65 EPR-radar
I suspect it was a calculated Sister-Souljah-moment on Bloomberg’s part.
70 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 5:28:55pm |
re: #64 Rightwingconspirator
This is such transparent bullshit. NOBODY would formally report wrongdoing inside the NSA and fail to have a copy of their complaint. This simply does not happen in the real world. In the real world people keep copies of important documents and those would have been some of the most important documents Snowden could have, if he really wanted to legally argue a whistleblower case.
It’s bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Stinks.
71 | EPR-radar May 29, 2014 5:29:02pm |
re: #69 freetoken
I suspect it was a calculated Sister-Souljah-moment on Bloomberg’s part.
It’s hard to say. Bloomberg might be sincere. He’s certainly not an orthodox wingnut, given his financial support for gun control.
72 | bratwurst May 29, 2014 5:29:35pm |
OH NOES!
I no longer can freely express my opinion here or anywhere in public due 2 th immediate censorship/blacklisting by th fascist US Left.— Roseanne Barr (@therealroseanne) May 30, 2014
73 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 5:30:13pm |
74 | EPR-radar May 29, 2014 5:30:29pm |
re: #68 klys
Right, I guess I forgot to add the actual ability to ask questions and think critically part, versus simple regurgitation of information.
//
Really, I should have remembered who started this conversation and just move along.
When I respond to trolling, it is for the encouragement of the readers, not for edification of the troll.
75 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 5:31:22pm |
Police knew about killer’s videos during check (edit)
This was really sloppy police work. Were they deferential because “They found him shy, timid and polite” and, perhaps, even found his mother a little overwrought?
“They questioned him for 10 minutes and then briefed Rodger’s mother by telephone before having him speak to her directly.”
Read more at wral.com
76 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 5:31:45pm |
It won’t surprise me at all if one or two more emails turn up from Snowden, also not actually doing any “whistleblowing” but something they can argue. This is what Greenwald and Poitras would have advised him to do at that point, after he had already begun stealing massive amounts of secret docs. Better to have something to argue with than nothing.
77 | Gus May 29, 2014 5:31:58pm |
You ever get that feeling? pic.twitter.com/lBL0LCYPu9— Gus (@Gus_802) May 30, 2014
78 | freetoken May 29, 2014 5:31:59pm |
Also, I disagree with the assertion that little appears to be getting done in DC because neither side “listens” to the other.
First, there is and always have been more than one “side” in the politics of a large nation like the US.
It’s not listening which isn’t being done. Rather, I contend one of the problems is that the nature of political theatre requires strong antagonists to be part of the story sold to the prospective voter.
The other big theme is the clash of worldviews, and this is not “listening” but outright denial, or rejection.
Bloomberg’s fallacy, among others, is that there is a syncretic middle that will solve the different belief systems.
79 | thedopefishlives May 29, 2014 5:32:01pm |
re: #70 Charles Johnson
This is such transparent bullshit. NOBODY would formally report wrongdoing inside the NSA and fail to have a copy of their complaint. This simply does not happen in the real world. In the real world people keep copies of important documents and those would have been some of the most important documents Snowden could have, if he really wanted to legally argue a whistleblower case.
It’s bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Stinks.
Yeah. If he was actually blowing the whistle, copies of his complaints would be important in order to prove exemptions under federal whistleblowing laws should he get shitcanned for going public. But we expect His Holiness Master Snowden - a self-proclaimed genius spy - not to think of such a thing? Come off it, mate.
80 | EPR-radar May 29, 2014 5:32:42pm |
re: #74 EPR-radar
When I respond to trolling, it is for the encouragement of the readers, not for edification of the troll.
Even so, this is much better than my other pastime at this moment, which is perusing a 1000+ comment wonder thread on DKos about Snowden and getting depressed about thriving stupidity among anti-Republicans.
81 | NJDhockeyfan May 29, 2014 5:33:01pm |
It’s that time of year…Bilderberg! And Alex Jones has complete coverage…
Secretive Globalist Event Begins Today - Exclusive Coverage Here: http://t.co/F1ptYGEiEk #Bilderberg pic.twitter.com/Nb4XrDf9U1— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) May 29, 2014
82 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 5:33:17pm |
re: #66 Gus
Almost 250,000 dead in the Syrian war with no end in sight. People dying of cancer every day with little hope for a cure for many people. Gun crimes. Mass shootings. Stabbings. Climate change. Sexual assaults. Hate crimes against people because of their religion, sexual orientation, or the color of their skin. Racism. Ethnocentrism. Xenophobia. Conflicts on the African continent and almost every continent. Joblessness. An unlivable minimum wage. Nuclear proliferation. Missing girls. Sex trafficking. Heroin addiction. Depression. Alcoholism. Drug abuse. Droughts. Ignorance. Coal burning and smog. Air pollution. Water pollution. Child abuse. Animal abuse. Unbearable student loans. Homelessness. Veterans care. Suicides.
Yet the most important thing in the world.
Edward Snowden.
Almost makes you wish the internet had never been invented. Almost.
83 | freetoken May 29, 2014 5:33:45pm |
re: #71 EPR-radar
It’s hard to say. Bloomberg might be sincere. He’s certainly not an orthodox wingnut, given his financial support for gun control.
Bloomberg is a politician and I would not be surprised if he threw his hat into some race in 2016.
84 | Gus May 29, 2014 5:34:17pm |
re: #72 bratwurst
OH NOES!
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Who?
I never liked Roseanne Barr since day one. Nothing’s changed really. I always had a sneaking suspicion she was the sort of douche canoe she’s turned out to be. I can’t censor something I never watched.
85 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 5:35:36pm |
re: #77 Gus
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Don’t let it bum you out. I pay a bit of attention to the NSA stuff but I try to stick to the more important issues. Most of the Greenwald, Snowden stuff is easily ignored and avoided. Just tune it out.
86 | NJDhockeyfan May 29, 2014 5:36:23pm |
This is some top notch reporting…
Infowars reporter photographs Bilderberger David Petraeus jogging. pic.twitter.com/xJlSKCXJvU— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) May 29, 2014
87 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 5:36:24pm |
re: #65 EPR-radar
The answer to the use of the terms is stop confusing/tarnishing ordinary moderate conservatives and their thoughts with the modern extremist GOP. (edited to swap that right) If you are a progressive and want to tarnish one with the other for rhetorical gain, okay er, well played as they say.
If you want to speak in a fair description, then the vast gap between the TP GOP and moderate conservatism of past years like Eisenhower, or an acceptance of Roe V Wade as a plank, or in a parallel case when the NRA was for universal handgun registration has to be seen.
There should be room for moderate conservative thought to come up, get discussed and maybe even impact policy where appropriate. Are middle class tax reductions such an awful concept? That’s conservative old school. Tax cuts for the Waltons? Thats a modern GOP extreme policy, undeserving of the term conservative except when you turn the word into a curse.
88 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 5:37:29pm |
re: #81 NJDhockeyfan
It’s that time of year…Bilderberg! And Alex Jones has complete coverage…
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That reminds me that Tropico 5 also has a Bilderberg, NWO-type element to it. Pretty funny.
89 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 5:37:53pm |
re: #72 bratwurst
I no longer can freely express my opinion here or anywhere in public
you just did, so, wrong
90 | Bubblehead II May 29, 2014 5:38:10pm |
re: #29 Gus
You know, get rid of the glasses, the lgf logo and legs, it’s not a Lizard. It’s a fucking prawn.
91 | RealityBasedSteve May 29, 2014 5:38:29pm |
re: #86 NJDhockeyfan
This is some top notch reporting…
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I didn’t know David was actually his middle name. ////
RBS
92 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 5:38:44pm |
re: #86 NJDhockeyfan
This is some top notch reporting…
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Is that a Ferrari logo on his shirt?
93 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 5:39:31pm |
re: #87 Rightwingconspirator
Geez messed that up at first.
94 | Bubblehead II May 29, 2014 5:39:44pm |
re: #55 Charles Johnson
Yeah - that’s a bug in Firefox, so unfortunately there’s nothing I can do to fix it. It’s not adjusting the size of the embedded tweet properly.
Thanks.
95 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 5:40:09pm |
Roseanne Barr ✔ @therealroseanne
Follow
I no longer can freely express my opinion here or
or, if you’re so censored why aren’t you arrested yet?
96 | klys May 29, 2014 5:40:18pm |
re: #87 Rightwingconspirator
The answer to the use of the terms is stop confusing/tarnishing ordinary moderate conservatives and their thoughts with the modern extremist GOP. (edited to swap that right) If you are a progressive and want to tarnish one with the other for rhetorical gain, okay er, well played as they say.
If you want to speak in a fair description, then the vast gap between the TP GOP and moderate conservatism of past years like Eisenhower, or an acceptance of Roe V Wade as a plank, or in a parallel case when the NRA was for universal handgun registration.
There should be room for moderate conservative thought to come up, get discussed and maybe even impact policy where appropriate. Are middle class tax reductions such an awful concept? That’s conservative old school. Tax cuts for the Waltons? Thats a modern GOP extreme policy, undeserving of the term conservative except when you turn the word into a curse.
I contend that it is more the current-day Republican party you need to chew on regarding this, as their base works to say that anyone who doesn’t agree with their extremist views is not a conservative.
97 | NJDhockeyfan May 29, 2014 5:41:41pm |
re: #72 bratwurst
OH NOES!
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@therealroseanne @bronk @kjcallahan1 wow Roseanne. I haven't seen you in years. You still look like shit— Dannyboy (@dannyboywood) May 30, 2014
98 | CuriousLurker May 29, 2014 5:42:05pm |
re: #72 bratwurst
OH NOES!
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Slippery slope! Free speech! Our democratic republic is circling the drain… //
99 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 5:42:24pm |
re: #96 klys
I contend that it is more the current-day Republican party you need to chew on regarding this, as their base works to say that anyone who doesn’t agree with their extremist views is not a conservative.
Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.
100 | klys May 29, 2014 5:42:36pm |
re: #97 NJDhockeyfan
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Because of all the possible retorts, let’s go straight for the one that comments on her appearance.
/sigh
101 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 5:43:05pm |
re: #87 Rightwingconspirator
The answer to the use of the terms is stop confusing/tarnishing ordinary moderate conserv
you’re already a ‘hardened leftist’ by the time you get that far
102 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 5:43:11pm |
@BlogsofWar Hope you're not holding your breath.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 30, 2014
103 | EPR-radar May 29, 2014 5:43:32pm |
re: #87 Rightwingconspirator
The answer to the use of the terms is stop confusing/tarnishing the modern extremist GOP with ordinary moderate conservatives and their thoughts. If you are a progressive and want to tarnish one with the other for rhetorical gain, okay er, well played as they say.
If you want to speak in a fair description, then the vast gap between the TP GOP and moderate conservatism of past years like Eisenhower, or an acceptance of Roe V Wade as a plank, or in a parallel case when the NRA was for universal handgun registration.
There should be room for moderate conservative thought to come up, get discussed and maybe even impact policy where appropriate. Are middle class tax reductions such an awful concept? That’s conservative old school. Tax cuts for the Waltons? Thats a modern GOP extreme policy, undeserving of the term conservative except when you turn the word into a curse.
For my part, when I refer to conservatives and conservatism, I usually have “movement conservatism” in mind, which is the aggressively reactionary mindset that has come to dominate the GOP during and since the Reagan years.
Moderates within the GOP have lost control of the party. Moderate conservatives have lost control of their brand.
When people are polled on what they associate “conservatives” with and the answers comes back “religious zealotry”, “bigotry”, “intolerance”, “hard-heartedness”, etc., that isn’t the fault of liberals saying bad things about conservatives. That is the fault of the movement conservatives.
104 | Bubblehead II May 29, 2014 5:43:46pm |
105 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 5:44:16pm |
re: #70 Charles Johnson
This is such transparent bullshit. NOBODY would formally report wrongdoing inside the NSA and fail to have a copy of their complaint. This simply does not happen in the real world. In the real world people keep copies of important documents and those would have been some of the most important documents Snowden could have, if he really wanted to legally argue a whistleblower case.
It’s bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Stinks.
What gets me is ideology is trumping logic in astounding places. Hence the moonbat/libertarian convergence. Gah. The Fox watching old drunk uncle I get. The smart young hard working post grad kinda person just kills me on this. Critical thinking fail.
106 | Decatur Deb May 29, 2014 5:44:24pm |
re: #30 Justanotherhuman
Oh, sorry. My mistake—s/b Special Forces. Will correct.
Somehow I see Young Edward as more the Special Services type.
107 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 5:44:37pm |
re: #99 Killgore Trout
Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.
oh the humanity
108 | Decatur Deb May 29, 2014 5:46:14pm |
re: #95 dog philosopher
Roseanne Barr ✔ @therealroseanne
FollowI no longer can freely express my opinion here or
or, if you’re so censored why aren’t you arrested yet?
I thought Roseanne Barr was Loony Left, out in Naderland.
109 | HappyWarrior May 29, 2014 5:46:31pm |
Much of what we are calling moderate conservatism is stuff you see in the Democratic Party today. Tax cuts for the middle class is something Obama has consistently championed. Tax relief for small business.
110 | RealityBasedSteve May 29, 2014 5:46:32pm |
re: #99 Killgore Trout
Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.
I don’t know, I’m a gun owning moderate liberal and I don’t find any problems, but maybe that’s just me.
RBS
111 | bratwurst May 29, 2014 5:46:59pm |
re: #99 Killgore Trout
Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.
Let me play this for you…
112 | klys May 29, 2014 5:48:06pm |
re: #110 RealityBasedSteve
I don’t know, I’m a gun owning moderate liberal and I don’t find any problems, but maybe that’s just me.
RBS
Sorry I didn’t send you any of that Greek bean salad. It came out really well.
113 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 5:48:12pm |
I think Conor Friedersderp published something today attacking Greenwald’s critics, but you can’t make me read it.
114 | HappyWarrior May 29, 2014 5:48:24pm |
re: #99 Killgore Trout
Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.
A lot easier than being a moderate conservative among conservatives. Look at it this way, has there been anything close to something resembling the Blue Dog Caucus within the GOP since they retook control of the House? I will grant you that progressive bloggers/activists can be just as purist as their right wing counterparts but moderate liberals have a lot easier go at it than do moderate conservatives do.
115 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 5:49:23pm |
Hmm. Maybe it’s not a done deal and Ballmer won’t get his toy after all.
Donald Sterling’s lawyer told me that Sterling already has ‘a couple billion dollars,’ so ‘he could not care less’ about Steve Ballmer’s $2 billion bid - @byandreachang
see original on twitter.com
21m
Editor’s note: While the Los Angeles Times is reporting that Steve Ballmer is set to buy the Los Angeles Clippers for $2 billion, the Associated Press and NBC Los Angeles are citing sources saying bids are still being negotiated. - Tom
End of note
116 | Bubblehead II May 29, 2014 5:49:24pm |
re: #70 Charles Johnson
This is such transparent bullshit. NOBODY would formally report wrongdoing inside the
NSAcorporate america and fail to have a copy of their complaint. This simply does not happen in the real world. In the real world people keep copies of important documents and those would have been some of the most important documents Snowden could have, if he really wanted to legally argue a whistleblower case.It’s bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Stinks.
117 | RealityBasedSteve May 29, 2014 5:49:50pm |
re: #112 klys
Sorry I didn’t send you any of that Greek bean salad. It came out really well.
I knew it would… I wasn’t holding my breath waiting on the fex-ex man. :) My grandfather, (a good Greek and a classical trained chef) used to fix something very much like that for himself often.
Peasant fare, it’s hard to go wrong some times.
RBS
118 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 5:49:53pm |
re: #103 EPR-radar
For my part, when I refer to conservatives and conservatism, I usually have “movement conservatism” in mind, which is the aggressively reactionary mindset that has come to dominate the GOP during and since the Reagan years.
Moderates within the GOP have lost control of the party. Moderate conservatives have lost control of their brand.
When people are polled on what they associate “conservatives” with and the answers comes back “religious zealotry”, “bigotry”, “intolerance”, “hard-heartedness”, etc., that isn’t the fault of liberals saying bad things about conservatives. That is the fault of the movement conservatives.
*Sigh* Much truth there. None of which changes the utility of moderate conservative views or policy. Or where I sit in politics. On one hand if I say okay the word is gone, I need a new word. OTOH, fuck these guys that stole the brand. I’m not giving it up, as I may have to explain what I mean to progressives from time to time.
I can’t change my nic to rightwingmoderateconservative, what a mouthful!! LOL. Nobody said indy/moderate was easy.
119 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 5:50:12pm |
re: #99 Killgore Trout
Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.
seriously, what do you think is the difference between “moderate liberal’ and ‘progressive’?
Youth Wants To Know
120 | klys May 29, 2014 5:50:51pm |
re: #115 Justanotherhuman
Sterling’s lawyer is also still saying that he’s fighting the sale while TMZ reports that there’s a piece of paper signed by Sterling giving his wife permission to negotiate the sale. Who knows at this point.
121 | klys May 29, 2014 5:51:58pm |
re: #117 RealityBasedSteve
I knew it would… I wasn’t holding my breath waiting on the fex-ex man. :) My grandfather, (a good Greek and a classical trained chef) used to fix something very much like that for himself often.
Peasant fare, it’s hard to go wrong some times.
RBS
I’m going to try round 2 with it this weekend, this time cutting back on the olive oil a little bit. We’re hauling the trailer out for a test run since I fixed the charger and I figure it will be a tasty dinner out at the campsite.
122 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 5:52:01pm |
re: #101 dog philosopher
LOL. “Former conservative turned hard leftist” is what they call me in certain swampish low lying areas of the internet. U know who I mean.
123 | CuriousLurker May 29, 2014 5:52:16pm |
re: #111 bratwurst
Let me play this for you…
Now, now, it was really hard on all those moderate liberals when they cheered on the cops who were pepper spraying all the out of control progressives. //
124 | HappyWarrior May 29, 2014 5:53:31pm |
To me though the problem with conservatism at least in the US is that it’s become about social conservatism above all else. You can’t make it far as a conservative elected official in this country without staking out some quite conservative views on the social issues. Jim DeMint of Heritage and also kingmaker for many a Republican Senate candidate these days has flat out said you cannot be fiscally conservative without being socially conservative. And while that’s not true in the literal sense, it is I suppose in the sense that you have to be both socially conservative and fiscally so if you have any hope of making it in national politics as a Republican. What the few moderate conservatives left need to do is come up with a solid response to the nutjobs.
125 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 5:54:26pm |
re: #84 Gus
Who?
I never liked Roseanne Barr since day one. Nothing’s changed really. I always had a sneaking suspicion she was the sort of douche canoe she’s turned out to be. I can’t censor something I never watched.
Neither did I. She was no feminist icon, either, like some thought. I never, ever think of entertainers that way. They’re in the entertainment business for a reason—to make money—not for a cause.
126 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 5:55:08pm |
re: #110 RealityBasedSteve
I don’t know, I’m a gun owning moderate liberal and I don’t find any problems, but maybe that’s just me.
RBS
Dkos discussions with gun owning liberals get pretty heated but I haven’t paid much attention. I’m not a gun person and fairly agnostic on gun control.
127 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 5:56:14pm |
re: #124 HappyWarrior
To me though the problem with conservatism at least in the US is that it’s become about social conservatism above all else. You can’t make it far as a conservative elected official in this country without staking out some quite conservative views on the social issues. Jim DeMint of Heritage and also kingmaker for many a Republican Senate candidate these days has flat out said you cannot be fiscally conservative without being socially conservative. And while that’s not true in the literal sense, it is I suppose in the sense that you have to be both socially conservative and fiscally so if you have any hope of making it in national politics as a Republican. What the few moderate conservatives left need to do is come up with a solid response to the nutjobs.
I don’t have to live in the electoral or rhetorical world he is so powerful in. Thank heavens. I live in the real world. Unelectable.
128 | Gus May 29, 2014 5:56:29pm |
re: #81 NJDhockeyfan
It’s that time of year…Bilderberg! And Alex Jones has complete coverage…
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Remember to always wear a hat! .@RealAlexJones pic.twitter.com/YvhN8Px2zz— Gus (@Gus_802) May 30, 2014
129 | RealityBasedSteve May 29, 2014 5:58:56pm |
re: #84 Gus
Who?
I never liked Roseanne Barr since day one. Nothing’s changed really. I always had a sneaking suspicion she was the sort of douche canoe she’s turned out to be. I can’t censor something I never watched.
When I first saw her doing standup, I thought that she was just tolerably funny, and was pretty much a “1 trick pony” in my opinion. She had her hour upon the stage, but unfortunately nobody has told her that the curtain has gone down. This is her way to try and stay in the ‘D’ list celeb list.
130 | wrenchwench May 29, 2014 5:58:58pm |
re: #86 NJDhockeyfan
This is some top notch reporting…
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Creepy.
Infowars reporter
photographsstalks Bilderberger David Petraeus jogging.
131 | Stanley Sea May 29, 2014 5:59:14pm |
Reporting that binding agreement signed between Ballmer & Sterling Trust.
bleah.
132 | CuriousLurker May 29, 2014 5:59:22pm |
re: #118 Rightwingconspirator
*Sigh* Much truth here. None of which changes the utility of moderate conservative views or policy. Or where I sit in politics. On one hand if I say okay the word is gone, I need a new word. OTOH, fuck these guys that stole the brand. I’m not giving it up, as I may have to explain what I mean to progressives from time to time.
I can’t change my nic to rightwingmoderateconservative, what a mouthful!! LOL. Nobody said indy/moderate was easy.
Welcome to my world. Being a moderate conservative is kinda like being a moderate Muslim—your brand has already been totally screwed by the fanatics, so no one believes you even exist anymore.
Still, the ones who truly deserve our pity & compassion are the poor, poor moderate liberals. //
133 | HappyWarrior May 29, 2014 5:59:47pm |
re: #127 Rightwingconspirator
I don’t have to live in the electoral or rhetorical world he is so powerful in. Thank heavens. I live in the real world. Unelectable.
Definitely. I’m just saying that his mindset is all too common among people who nominate conservatives. I think it’s stupid since I honestly feel that social liberalism is much more fiscally conservative than social conservatism. But that’s another point.
134 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 6:01:05pm |
re: #119 dog philosopher
seriously, what do you think is the difference between “moderate liberal’ and ‘progressive’?
Youth Wants To Know
Wikipedia has some good articles on classical liberalism, progressive philosophies and how they differ. you can start there.
135 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 6:01:29pm |
re: #119 dog philosopher
what do you think is the difference between “moderate liberal’ and ‘progressive’?
it’s a serious question, KT
i am really wondering what the difference is
136 | RealityBasedSteve May 29, 2014 6:01:49pm |
re: #106 Decatur Deb
Somehow I see Young Edward as more the Special Services type.
yep, “Socks and Jocks”, not a “Snake Eater”.
RBS
137 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 6:03:14pm |
re: #134 Killgore Trout
Wikipedia has some good articles on classical liberalism, progressive philosophies and how they differ. you can start there.
no, i want to know what you think the differences are
vague references to articles is just evasion - it leads me to think you really have no idea what you mean by either term
138 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 6:03:50pm |
Don’t talk to me. I’m still mad about my Les Paul.
142 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 6:04:56pm |
re: #134 Killgore Trout
Wikipedia has some good articles on classical liberalism, progressive philosophies and how they differ. you can start there.
wikipedia:
Classical liberalism, a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.
Progressivism is a broad political philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advances in science, technology, economic development, and social organization can improve the human condition
so what’s the difference, then?
143 | CuriousLurker May 29, 2014 6:05:23pm |
144 | kirkspencer May 29, 2014 6:05:56pm |
re: #87 Rightwingconspirator
The answer to the use of the terms is stop confusing/tarnishing ordinary moderate conservatives and their thoughts with the modern extremist GOP. (edited to swap that right) If you are a progressive and want to tarnish one with the other for rhetorical gain, okay er, well played as they say.
If you want to speak in a fair description, then the vast gap between the TP GOP and moderate conservatism of past years like Eisenhower, or an acceptance of Roe V Wade as a plank, or in a parallel case when the NRA was for universal handgun registration has to be seen.
There should be room for moderate conservative thought to come up, get discussed and maybe even impact policy where appropriate. Are middle class tax reductions such an awful concept? That’s conservative old school. Tax cuts for the Waltons? Thats a modern GOP extreme policy, undeserving of the term conservative except when you turn the word into a curse.
I would have more sympathy for this if it weren’t for the way ‘liberal’ gets treated. Go look at KT’s number 5 again and see how he cheers because Bloomberg hammers Ivy League colleges for being liberal. Because apparently liberal == extremist.
Aside to KT - that post is a specific example why I roll my eyes when you call yourself a moderate liberal. If liberal is a dirty word, you’re not one, moderate or otherwise.
145 | RealityBasedSteve May 29, 2014 6:06:56pm |
re: #143 CuriousLurker
How many years ago was this? //
Watch it CL… Yer poking a hornets nest with a short stick. :)
RBS
146 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 6:07:03pm |
re: #132 CuriousLurker
I had a friend who was so much more conservative than yours truly. He lived up the mountain above Palm Springs/Hemet. He would (jokingly) compare me to the squirrel who would panic in the middle of the road instead of running to one side or the other, and get run over or off the cliff.
My response? “Oh no you just have this narrow view. The mountain itself is what is in the middle, the road is just a road the squirrel just a victim of those who fail to pay attention”
147 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 6:07:41pm |
148 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 6:07:49pm |
re: #135 dog philosopher
it’s a serious question, KT
i am really wondering what the difference is
Oh, sorry. I assumed you were just yanking my chain.
Classical Liberalism vs. Modern Liberalism and Modern Conservatism
This seems a fair enough article if you’re interested.
149 | wrenchwench May 29, 2014 6:08:17pm |
re: #138 Charles Johnson
Don’t talk to me. I’m still mad about my Les Paul.
That reminded me of a song, but it didn’t exist on the internet, so I had to learn how to use Windows Movie Maker so I can put it on the internet, and it’s still downloading.
10 more minutes.
150 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 6:08:47pm |
That airline is now out of business. So my broken Les Paul has the last laugh.
151 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 6:08:52pm |
re: #137 dog philosopher
no, i want to know what you think the differences are
vague references to articles is just evasion - it leads me to think you really have no idea what you mean by either term
Ah, ok. Maybe you are just yanking my chain. Carry on then, good luck
152 | CuriousLurker May 29, 2014 6:09:04pm |
re: #138 Charles Johnson
Don’t talk to me. I’m still mad about my Les Paul.
Just so you know, that airline destroying your Les Paul isn’t nearly as bad as being a moderate liberal among progressives.
153 | thedopefishlives May 29, 2014 6:09:45pm |
re: #152 CuriousLurker
Just so you know, that airline destroying your Les Paul isn’t nearly as bad as being a moderate liberal among progressives.
Not that we’d know anything about that, because we’re all progressives here. Yes, sir, card-carrying members of the Progressive Club of America.
154 | Skip Intro May 29, 2014 6:10:20pm |
Morons with guns annoying people.
So, if I’m armed in an open carry state and some yoyo carrying a rifle comes up to my car uninvited, I’m going to shoot his balls off.
Stand Your Ground, y’all.
155 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 6:10:52pm |
re: #148 Killgore Trout
Oh, sorry. I assumed you were just yanking my chain.
Classical Liberalism vs. Modern Liberalism and Modern Conservatism
This seems a fair enough article if you’re interested.
well, thank you for taking me seriously, but in truth, citing vague and long winded articles by other people is not helpful
i was asking you what you think the difference is, preferably in your own words
156 | wrenchwench May 29, 2014 6:11:30pm |
In the meantime, this gave me some insight to a few people.
[…]
Remember that stuff about crazy people and bad code? The internet is that except it’s literally a billion times worse. Websites that are glorified shopping carts with maybe three dynamic pages are maintained by teams of people around the clock, because the truth is everything is breaking all the time, everywhere, for everyone. Right now someone who works for Facebook is getting tens of thousands of error messages and frantically trying to find the problem before the whole charade collapses. There’s a team at a Google office that hasn’t slept in three days. Somewhere there’s a database programmer surrounded by empty Mountain Dew bottles whose husband thinks she’s dead. And if these people stop, the world burns. Most people don’t even know what sysadmins do, but trust me, if they all took a lunch break at the same time they wouldn’t make it to the deli before you ran out of bullets protecting your canned goods from roving bands of mutants.
[…]
RTWT.
157 | darthstar May 29, 2014 6:12:18pm |
re: #70 Charles Johnson
This is such transparent bullshit. NOBODY would formally report wrongdoing inside the NSA and fail to have a copy of their complaint. This simply does not happen in the real world. In the real world people keep copies of important documents and those would have been some of the most important documents Snowden could have, if he really wanted to legally argue a whistleblower case.
It’s bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Stinks.
GG nurtured Snowden, he encouraged him, and he advised him along the way. His conspiracy to steal classified information should carry a far greater sentence than Snowden’s actually taking it…
You want to know what Greenwald fears most? #Snowden coming back to the US and cutting a deal with prosecutors.— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) May 30, 2014
158 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 6:13:16pm |
re: #156 wrenchwench
That post may be the best thing I’ve ever read.
159 | darthstar May 29, 2014 6:14:59pm |
re: #156 wrenchwench
In the meantime, this gave me some insight to a few people.
RTWT.
Heh…I actually said/wrote this in context at work today when fixing a bug with Gmail contact imports:
Said with a straight face: “I'll know more once Chef picks up the changes to Squid.”— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) May 29, 2014
161 | Decatur Deb May 29, 2014 6:15:44pm |
162 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 6:16:17pm |
I need a trigger warning for all images of tobacco sunburst Les Pauls.
I’m kinda kidding but kinda not.
164 | klys May 29, 2014 6:17:21pm |
re: #162 Charles Johnson
I need a trigger warning for all images of tobacco sunburst Les Pauls.
I’m kinda kidding but kinda not.
That’s censorship, and an example of everything that’s wrong with the progressive left these days.
//////
165 | CuriousLurker May 29, 2014 6:19:47pm |
re: #155 dog philosopher
well, thank you for taking me seriously, but in truth, citing vague and long winded articles by other people is not helpful
i was asking you what you think the difference is, preferably in your own words
Hmm, I wonder if just pointing to an article will work for me next time someone asks me to explain about moderate Muslims vs. extremists… That could work to my benefit as I’d never actually have to reveal my personal opinion on anything, thereby possibly giving someone ammunition to use against me in the future.
166 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 6:20:10pm |
A great read: The Liberal Case for the NSA.
167 | thedopefishlives May 29, 2014 6:20:12pm |
re: #156 wrenchwench
In the meantime, this gave me some insight to a few people.
RTWT.
We are the sentinels of your modern society. We stand silent watch, cell phones programmed to ring with a horrifying, soul-rending tone should something go bump in the night. Also, we’re all slightly touched in the head, but you knew that already.
168 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 6:21:07pm |
re: #154 Skip Intro
It’s a dumb stunt, looks stupid in most places.
That having been said…
Did anyone appear bothered or annoyed? Noticed zero police presence. if there had been a complaint, they would show up, or if they perceived any threat at all.
That looks like they did this in a place where it was just preaching to the choir. Most seemed happy to honk in agreement if anything indicated at all.
As I said this looks stupid. But it also shows there are places where open carry is just meh. Nobody cares much. It’s ordinary. It’s just not at all like NYC, L.A. where it would scare the hell out of folks.
Did you see anyone bothered at all? Any threat? I might have missed something.
169 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 6:21:24pm |
re: #151 Killgore Trout
Ah, ok. Maybe you are just yanking my chain. Carry on then, good luck
evade much?
170 | Pie-onist Overlord May 29, 2014 6:22:11pm |
re: #84 Gus
Who?
I never liked Roseanne Barr since day one. Nothing’s changed really. I always had a sneaking suspicion she was the sort of douche canoe she’s turned out to be. I can’t censor something I never watched.
For some reason the “Jewish Daily Forward” just hearts them some Roseanne Barr. Don’t ask me why.
171 | wrenchwench May 29, 2014 6:24:08pm |
OK! I made a video audio with a picture. Second verse is for those who mourn a guitar.
Later, lizards.
172 | Justanotherhuman May 29, 2014 6:24:33pm |
This is for Charles…
Les Paul Live in New York City with Tommy Emmanuel
Les Paul was 90 when he was celebrated at the Iridium.
Later, Lizards. : )
173 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 6:24:34pm |
RT @joshuafoust: Unsurprisingly, Snowden’s email was answered rather plainly on the NSA’s publicly available website http://t.co/vuZTNBhcmj— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 30, 2014
174 | CuriousLurker May 29, 2014 6:24:51pm |
re: #162 Charles Johnson
I need a trigger warning for all images of tobacco sunburst Les Pauls.
I’m kinda kidding but kinda not.
Remember this from the other day? Kinda sounds like “center left” too now, doesn’t it? LOL // Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.
@CuriousLurker “Center right” these days means “sounds sane, but may get weird if certain buttons are pressed.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 21, 2014
I’m warning you, don’t press that button!!1!
175 | Pie-onist Overlord May 29, 2014 6:25:13pm |
re: #138 Charles Johnson
Don’t talk to me. I’m still mad about my Les Paul.
I had a Gibson J-45 that was disfigured by Air France. It’s not just United that breaks guitars.
176 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 6:25:15pm |
re: #154 Skip Intro
So, if I’m armed in an open carry state and some yoyo carrying a rifle comes up to my car uninvited, I’m going to shoot his balls off.
Stand Your Ground, y’all.
Skip, I get you don’t really mean that. Please, please don’t go there- threatening anyone with violence. Not good optics for this little oasis on the internet.
177 | compound_Idaho May 29, 2014 6:25:21pm |
re: #6 JustMark
Glass? That is a pretty nebulus term. Are we talking shot, juice glass, or 7-11 super gulp?
179 | EPR-radar May 29, 2014 6:26:33pm |
re: #155 dog philosopher
well, thank you for taking me seriously, but in truth, citing vague and long winded articles by other people is not helpful
i was asking you what you think the difference is, preferably in your own words
This article has 22 citations, 5 of which are to Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism.
180 | Stanley Sea May 29, 2014 6:26:35pm |
CNN the 60’s showing. Excellent old clips I haven’t seen.
181 | Amory Blaine May 29, 2014 6:27:10pm |
$900k Americans For Prosperity Ad Stars Kenosha Nutty Tax Delinquent
National press took time on Monday to comment on Americans for Prosperity’s ad buy of just under $900,000 to bolster the Scott Walker reelection. They didn’t name him directly (*coughs* *John Doe*), instead they let the folks in the commercial do the talking.
Too bad for all that money, they didn’t bother vetting the people featured in the ad…because there was Kenosha’s Pam Stevens, right there in living color talking about classroom spending like she was still on the Kenosha School Board and not shilling for dollars at Herbalife and owing the state $30,000 in taxes.
182 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 6:28:38pm |
@joshuafoust Fascinating. While stealing documents he sent an email asking about a minor point that was publicly answered already.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 30, 2014
183 | Skip Intro May 29, 2014 6:29:10pm |
re: #168 Rightwingconspirator
It’s a dumb stunt, looks stupid in most places.
That having been said…
Did anyone appear bothered or annoyed? Noticed zero police presence. if there had been a complaint, they would show up, or if they perceived any threat at all.That looks like they did this in a place where it was just preaching to the choir. Most seemed happy to honk in agreement if anything indicated at all.
As I said this looks stupid. But it also shows there are places where open carry is just meh. Nobody cares much. It’s ordinary. It’s just not at all like NYC, L.A. where it would scare the hell out of folks.
Did you see anyone bothered at all? Any threat? I might have missed something.
Oh, there was a police presence. And a law.
Two weeks ago the Arlington City Council made it far more difficult for pedestrians to hand out literature to motorists passing through busy intersections — and by pedestrians, the council was more or less referring to members of Open Carry Tarrant County handing out pamphlets and pocket-sized copies of the U.S. Constitution.
Of course the gun humpers are suing for their right to intimidate people just trying to get from here to there without getting shot.
I’ll say it again. You approach my vehicle carrying a weapon and I’m going to shoot you.
Clear?
184 | Skip Intro May 29, 2014 6:31:14pm |
re: #176 Rightwingconspirator
Skip, I get you don’t really mean that. Please, please don’t go there- threatening anyone with violence. Not good optics for this little oasis on the internet.
Oh, I’m sorry. What am I supposed to think when an armed stranger just wanders up to my car and starts banging on the window? Isn’t that why SYG laws were created?
185 | Gus May 29, 2014 6:31:22pm |
186 | CuriousLurker May 29, 2014 6:32:04pm |
re: #174 CuriousLurker
Remember this from the other day? Kinda sounds like “center left” too now, doesn’t it? LOL // Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.
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I’m warning you, don’t press that button!!1!
You’ve gotta look out for Gus’ Incredible Hulk button too—barely tap it and he’ll start flipping desks all over the place. //
187 | thedopefishlives May 29, 2014 6:32:48pm |
re: #159 darthstar
Heh…I actually said/wrote this in context at work today when fixing a bug with Gmail contact imports:
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We have a quote board at work. Truthfully, we need several, because our team is so large. My quotes relate to the theme of, “Holy crap, that actually worked! Now, what did I do that made it work?”
188 | Gus May 29, 2014 6:33:14pm |
re: #182 Charles Johnson
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@Green_Footballs @joshuafoust Was also there in 2009. In case someone brings that up. https://t.co/PbqXN0C9vu— Gus (@Gus_802) May 30, 2014
189 | Decatur Deb May 29, 2014 6:33:46pm |
re: #183 Skip Intro
Oh, there was a police presence. And a law.
Of course the gun humpers are suing for their right to intimidate people just trying to get from here to there without getting shot.
I’ll say it again. You approach my vehicle carrying a weapon and I’m going to shoot you.
Clear?
Justifiable Ironic Homicide
190 | Gus May 29, 2014 6:35:50pm |
re: #186 CuriousLurker
You’ve gotta look out for Gus’ Incredible Hulk button too—barely tap it and he’ll start flipping desks all over the place. //
Been a while since I flipped desks in here. :D
191 | Pie-onist Overlord May 29, 2014 6:36:42pm |
Snowden uses NBC interview to (again) criticize Putin's assault on privacy and rights, yet again exposing critics as genuinely silly.— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) May 29, 2014
Heaviest thing re Snowden's 1st major American TV interview may be that it occurs across the street from the Kremlin. pic.twitter.com/Ry4MwZv3aM— Michael B. Kelley (@MichaelKelleyBI) May 30, 2014
192 | austin_blue May 29, 2014 6:37:12pm |
re: #63 freetoken
I am probably a minority on this one, but I think “capital gains” should be treated as income, save perhaps for the cases where an in-kind trade is made (say trading someone pieces of art.)
Indexed for inflation, yes.
193 | Skip Intro May 29, 2014 6:37:30pm |
re: #189 Decatur Deb
JustifiableIronic Homicide
Moronic homicide?
Why can’t these pinheads just do their jerking off in their parent’s garage?
194 | CuriousLurker May 29, 2014 6:39:16pm |
re: #190 Gus
Been a while since I flipped desks in here. :D
Oh yeah, here, but what about Twitter?? //
195 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 6:40:47pm |
@Green_Footballs @iyamiyam I’d be shocked if he wasn’t. In fact, I bet you that’s why the FBI wanted his Lavabit account.— joshuafoust (@joshuafoust) May 30, 2014
196 | EmmaAnne May 29, 2014 6:45:37pm |
re: #159 darthstar
Heh…I actually said/wrote this in context at work today when fixing a bug with Gmail contact imports:
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Please explain this joke from the article:
Funny, right? No? How about this exchange:
“Is that called arrayReverse?”
“s/camel/_/”
“Cool thanks.”Wasn’t that guy helpful? With the camel? Doesn’t that seem like an appropriate response? No? Good. You can still find Jesus. You have not yet spent so much of your life reading code that you begin to talk in it.
197 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 6:51:02pm |
re: #184 Skip Intro
Obviously you are more threatened by the idea than the gun slung on a shoulder. If you ever go to Tucson try to stay out of the news.
Good night.
198 | Skip Intro May 29, 2014 6:52:38pm |
re: #197 Rightwingconspirator
Obviously you are more threatened by the idea than the gun slung on a shoulder.
Good night.
SYG meets Open Carry. Now there’s an idea for a blood soaked action movie.
199 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 6:53:04pm |
The horrible story of the woman stoned to death just keeps getting worse and worse. Earlier today we learned that the family killed her because the wanted a larger dowry. Now this…
I killed my first wife, stoned Pakistani woman’s husband says
The husband of Farzana Parveen, the Pakistani woman stoned to death for refusing to participate in an arranged marriage, told CNN he killed his first wife so he could marry Parveen.
Authorities said the first wife was killed six years ago.
“I wanted to send a proposal to Farzana, so I killed my wife,” Mohammad Iqbal said Thursday in an interview with CNN.
200 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 6:54:44pm |
Iqbal was arrested but later released on bail because his son forgave him, Hameed said.
202 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 6:55:51pm |
re: #183 Skip Intro
I’ll say it again. You approach my vehicle carrying a weapon and I’m going to shoot you. Clear?
Not cool.
203 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 6:57:59pm |
Speaking of ignoring Snowden…
More People Watched a CSI Rerun Than NBC’s Snowden Interview
204 | Decatur Deb May 29, 2014 6:59:56pm |
205 | Skip Intro May 29, 2014 7:00:10pm |
re: #202 Rightwingconspirator
Not cool.
You have any idea how many people get killed in the Bay Area every week because some lunatic with a gun decides to shoot at a car? You think a sane person seeing a stranger with a gun approaching is just going to do nothing? I thought gunners were big on “self defense”.
Hey, this is your culture. The gun owners got open carry made acceptable in law. The gun owners got Stand Your Ground made into law. Are you blind to the consequences of these actions?
206 | Stanley Sea May 29, 2014 7:00:35pm |
re: #201 urbanmeemaw
It’s not too bad.
Ya. I guess this first episode was “television” I have not seen many of those clips. Esp the young, very very young George Carlin.
207 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 7:03:46pm |
re: #205 Skip Intro
You have any idea how many people get killed in the Bay Area every week because some lunatic with a gun decides to shoot at a car? You think a sane person seeing a stranger with a gun approaching is just going to do nothing? I thought gunners were big on “self defense”.
Hey, this is your culture. The gun owners got open carry made acceptable in law. The gun owners got Stand Your Ground made into law. Are you blind to the consequences of these actions?
I’m happy to have a calm discussion about most any of this. You just don’t fit the calm part at the moment. Let’s let this go for now.
209 | Stanley Sea May 29, 2014 7:03:57pm |
Well, if you are interested, you have another chance. The 60’s playing again on CNN. All about 60’s TV.
210 | Gus May 29, 2014 7:04:28pm |
re: #191 Pie-onist Overlord
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.@MichaelKelleyBI Snowden's interview was also conveniently located nearby the FSB. pic.twitter.com/NLsXicUg9p— Gus (@Gus_802) May 30, 2014
211 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 7:05:06pm |
re: #207 Rightwingconspirator
I’m happy to have a calm discussion about most any of this. You just don’t fit the calm part at the moment. Let’s let this go for now.
I’ll drop it too.
213 | teleskiguy May 29, 2014 7:05:48pm |
Hey Lizards who are arguing about guns! I liked this article, not particularly fond of the source but this article has some good ideas.
I’m a gun owner. I own rifles and a shotgun. I refuse to buy a handgun, handguns are made to kill people. There’s more utility in the guns that I own.
Then again, I don’t live in Florida, where there’s an individual arms race and inside of 20 years every public place will be filled with yahoos who have guns. Specifically pistols that are concealed.
214 | TedStriker May 29, 2014 7:06:39pm |
215 | thedopefishlives May 29, 2014 7:06:59pm |
216 | Skip Intro May 29, 2014 7:08:24pm |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
…and your response to these laws is to shoot legal gun owners if they get near your car?
So how do I know whether they’re good guy legal gun owners or bad guy legal gun owners, and why the hell are they approaching my car armed in the first place? At the very least, it’s intimidation, at the worst they may be planning on shooting me.
Squeegee men were outlawed in New York City because they intimidated drivers, but gun toting goons can walk freely up to my car legally?
What kind of a crazy fucking country has this become, anyway?
217 | teleskiguy May 29, 2014 7:08:34pm |
re: #213 teleskiguy
In a weird perverse way I am actually ALL FOR THIS.
Require all modern firearms sold to men to be plated permanently in high-gloss pink. No, really. Shiny hot pink guns are harder to conceal illicitly and easier for the unarmed to spot and avoid. This would be a win-win for America: Either macho gun culture would spurn pink guns and there’d be fewer pistol-packing men with something to prove, or they’d bite the bullet and acculturate to pink guns… and then, maybe, our culture might finally get over its dumb coding of pink as “girly.”
218 | kirkspencer May 29, 2014 7:09:48pm |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
…and your response to these laws is to shoot legal gun owners if they get near your car?
(and with only a little /) Rodgers was a legal gun owner until he went on his rampage. So was Adam Lanza.
“legal” and “non-threatening” are two separate issues.
The argument of SYG is that if you believe you are sufficiently threatened you do not have to flee but instead can use deadly force to defend yourself. Not “would reasonable people believe themselves threatened,” but you the person who pulled the trigger. The jury has to decide whether or not you really believed yourself to be under threat.
If someone bearing a weapon comes to the window and starts banging on it, especially when there have been carjackings and muggins and shootings, “fear for your life” is a valid stance.
220 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 7:12:13pm |
Some people are so booorrrriinnnggg.
221 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 7:13:46pm |
re: #213 teleskiguy
Most of my guns are handguns, some highly modified for speed competition. To me they are all sporting guns for the duration of my ownership. Even the one I have carried at work has never been out of the holster in anger or defense. Not once and I intend to keep it that way. And my choice is all wrong for plenty of people out there.
Should anyone ever present a real threat to us under my roof, everything is in play to keep us safe from assault. Starts with good doors and locks. :-)
222 | Stanley Sea May 29, 2014 7:14:07pm |
This is really a thing. pic.twitter.com/QJeseZZYCp
— rebkah howard (@pink_funk) May 30, 2014
223 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 7:14:35pm |
i think gum ownership should be outlawed
im so tired of scraping it offa my shoes im ready to shoot someone
224 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 7:14:45pm |
re: #199 Killgore Trout
The horrible story of the woman stoned to death just keeps getting worse and worse. Earlier today we learned that the family killed her because the wanted a larger dowry. Now this…
I killed my first wife, stoned Pakistani woman’s husband says
Drew Peterson of Pakistan?
225 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 7:16:13pm |
re: #221 Rightwingconspirator
Most of my guns are handguns, some highly modified for speed competition. To me they are all sporting guns for the duration of my ownership. Even the one I have carried at work has never been out of the holster in anger or defense. Not once and I intend to keep it that way. And my choice is all wrong for plenty of people out there.
Should anyone ever present a real threat to us under my roof, everything is in play to keep us safe from assault. Starts with good doors and locks. :-)
and a dog that barks
226 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 7:17:50pm |
re: #225 FemNaziBitch
and a dog that barks
Right I forgot my spayshul forces attack trained Maine Coon Kitty!
(No dogs allowed at my address)
227 | dog philosopher May 29, 2014 7:18:26pm |
the only remedy for a bad man with a god is a good man with a dog
228 | coin operated May 29, 2014 7:22:46pm |
Lizards….
SpaceX unveiling next generation Dragon…the V2. Human-rated craft.
Link
229 | Dark_Falcon May 29, 2014 7:23:05pm |
re: #92 Killgore Trout
Is that a Ferrari logo on his shirt?
No, that’s the patch of the 1st Cavalry Division, in which David Petraeus formerly served. Like the Ferrari logo, it is black and yellow.
230 | Lidane May 29, 2014 7:23:24pm |
re: #220 FemNaziBitch
Wheee!
Joe The Plumber: “Guns are mostly for hunting down politicians” http://t.co/r2qRpHYhbU— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) May 29, 2014
231 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 7:23:35pm |
re: #229 Dark_Falcon
No, that’s the patch if the 1st Cavalry Division, in which David Petraeus formerly served. Like the Ferrari logo, it is black and yellow.
ah, thanks
232 | teleskiguy May 29, 2014 7:24:44pm |
re: #221 Rightwingconspirator
Most of my guns are handguns, some highly modified for speed competition. To me they are all sporting guns for the duration of my ownership. Even the one I have carried at work has never been out of the holster in anger or defense. Not once and I intend to keep it that way. And my choice is all wrong for plenty of people out there.
Should anyone ever present a real threat to us under my roof, everything is in play to keep us safe from assault. Starts with good doors and locks. :-)
I’m all for sport shooting. I actually enjoyed watching that show “Top Shot” I forget the network it was on. I just have an aversion to pistols, ever since I first shot one. First time I shot a pistol (Glock 23 9mm) I thought to myself “This is just too easy. Too easy to inflict maximum harm at a close distance.” The worst gun massacre outside of war in US history was Virginia Tech and it was carried out with semi-automatic pistols.
That’s why I really respect seasoned bow hunters. You gotta work for that perfect shot. With pistols (and in the hunting realm - one could argue - high-powered rifles with scopes), it’s too easy.
And when it comes to my home defense, my Springfield pump action 12 gauge that I got from my pa when I was a teenager is in a wood and glass case, if the shit really hits the fan I can break the glass to get it out in a pinch. Problem is, there’s statistically like .3 murders a year in my whole county. :-)
233 | Skip Intro May 29, 2014 7:25:21pm |
In lighter news, after running every possible angle on the Obama birth certificate “controversy”, Fox News has now moved on to demanding the release of the certified copy (I just made that up) of Hillary Clinton’s MRI (I didn’t make that up).
The order has been sent from Fox News Headquarters to every single RW pundit in the country, and they’re all complying.
Charles Hurt, Washington Times:
In any event it was an awkward MRI moment that should have gotten the former first lady checked into a rubber room for further evaluation.
And, if she really wants to be president, the American people have a right to know what the results of that MRI showed.
Mary Kissel, WSJ:
My other point is, this will be an issue in the 2016 race whether she likes it or not. Every presidential candidate is asked for all of their health records, by the New York Times, they turn them over — and vice presidential candidates — they turn them over to a battery of doctors and they examine them in detail.
And, of course, Sarah Palin:
Hillary’s Brain is off limits, but attacks on my son were ok
I think I see a pattern here.
234 | Charles Johnson May 29, 2014 7:27:01pm |
I hate it when my vertebrae act up. Knock it off, backbone.
235 | Gus May 29, 2014 7:27:18pm |
@MichaelKelleyBI @Gus_802 Overlay against map of Moscow - this was all predicted. Government knows all about it. pic.twitter.com/cNTJ90LnJB— Richard Keppler (@RichardKeppler1) May 30, 2014
236 | Lidane May 29, 2014 7:28:24pm |
White supremacist douchecanoe says what?
John Derbyshire remembers Maya Angelou as “talentless” “whining” “affirmative action mediocrity” http://t.co/guyhgJf0mx— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) May 29, 2014
237 | teleskiguy May 29, 2014 7:29:15pm |
re: #234 Charles Johnson
I hate it when my vertebrae act up. Knock it off, backbone.
Back spasms. Hate that shit. Sometimes I tweak my back skiing or riding my bike. Sucks when you can just sit there without pain and spasms.
Basically Charles, I feel for ya.
238 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 7:29:16pm |
<blockquote>Too often, people like to point out atrocities in other parts of the world and play an oppression Olympics of sorts. We hear about stolen girls in Nigeria or a woman gang-raped on a bus in New Delhi or women who ride in separate train cars in Japan. We all say something about how awful it must be to be a woman in those countries, as if women are treated so much better here.
Yeah, it’s Paged.
239 | Dark_Falcon May 29, 2014 7:29:27pm |
And as if often the case, Massachusetts response to a shooting is a overbroad and punitive law:
Massachusetts lawmakers propose ‘may-issue’ gun ownership bill (VIDEO)
Though Massachusetts already has some of the toughest gun laws in the country, several state lawmakers are aiming to ratchet up restrictions on gun ownership in the hope of curbing violence.
On Tuesday, House Speaker Robert A. DeLeo announced a proposal tantamount to an overhaul of the state’s gun laws, including expanding the state’s ‘may-issue’ concealed carry policy to cover not only the carry of handguns, but the ownership of handguns, rifles and shotguns.
Under current law, a resident needs to first pass a state-run background check to obtain a Firearms Identification Card before being allowed to own a firearm. Unlike with a state-issued concealed carry permit, this ‘shall-issue’ process for a Firearms Identification Card does not require the consent of law enforcement.
DeLeo’s proposal would change this so that obtaining a Firearms Identification Card would not only include a background check but also require law enforcement to evaluate one’s “suitability” to own a firearm.
In short, one’s Second Amendment right would be subject to the discretion of law enforcement.
Bolding mine.
I’m pretty confident the courts will strike this law down if it is enacted. Someone should lose the right to own a gun if they commit a felony or go crazy, but to permit law enforcement to deny a Firearms Identification Card to someone who fits neither of those categories is a clear violation of the Heller and MacDonald decisions.
240 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 7:30:21pm |
re: #234 Charles Johnson
I hate it when my vertebrae act up. Knock it off, backbone.
(((((Charles)))))))
241 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 7:31:25pm |
re: #232 teleskiguy
I’m all for sport shooting. I actually enjoyed watching that show “Top Shot” I forget the network it was on. I just have an aversion to pistols, ever since I first shot one. First time I shot a pistol (Glock 23 9mm) I thought to myself “This is just too easy. Too easy to inflict maximum harm at a close distance.” The worst gun massacre outside of war in US history was Virginia Tech and it was carried out with semi-automatic pistols.
That’s why I really respect seasoned bow hunters. You gotta work for that perfect shot. With pistols (and in the hunting realm - one could argue - high-powered rifles with scopes), it’s too easy.
And when it comes to my home defense, my Springfield pump action 12 gauge that I got from my pa when I was a teenager is in a wood and glass case, if the shit really hits the fan I can break the glass to get it out in a pinch. Problem is, there’s statistically like .3 murders a year in my whole county. :-)
Top shot had some good guys on it, a few we knew from the Steel Challenge. Hated the announcer/narrator dude. Postured like a Ken doll all the time. Handguns creep you out, and I’ll tell you what creeps me out. the .50 cal and similar ultra long range sniper rifles. They can be strictly sporting too but what they can do gives me a small case of the willys. Ah perspective and the things that make an impression.
Bows? Shot a few compound types and I like the challenge. It takes a certain intuitive sense to do well. I don’t hunt at all. Ralphs is right down the street. I could use a better butcher though.
.3 murders a year. Lots to be said for a peaceful place to live.
243 | Skip Intro May 29, 2014 7:34:27pm |
re: #239 Dark_Falcon
You can always join a Well Regulated Militia, Dark. I’m sure Illinois has a National Guard.
244 | freetoken May 29, 2014 7:35:50pm |
In short, one’s Second Amendment right would be subject to the discretion of law enforcement.
That sentence includes the presumption that the 2nd Amendment really is about carrying or owning handguns as we know them today.
245 | Dark_Falcon May 29, 2014 7:36:06pm |
246 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 7:37:49pm |
re: #239 Dark_Falcon
And as if often the case, Massachusetts response to a shooting is a overbroad and punitive law:
Massachusetts lawmakers propose ‘may-issue’ gun ownership bill (VIDEO)
Bolding mine.
I’m pretty confident the courts will strike this law down if it is enacted. Someone should lose the right to own a gun if they commit a felony or go crazy, but to permit law enforcement to deny a Firearms Identification Card to someone who fits neither of those categories is a clear violation of the Heller and MacDonald decisions.
Yeah, that doesn’t work well. Individual law enforcement officers are flawed human beings.
Hey, DF, do you remember the warrantless entry law that passed in Indiana a year or two ago? The Sheriff or Police Chief in one of the Northwest citys was all over it. Obviously willing to invade any home which was inhabited by a immigrant using drugs as an excuse. What happened with that, is it still on the books? I remember the State Legislator was going to examine it closer.
247 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 7:39:09pm |
re: #245 Dark_Falcon
re: #239 Dark_Falcon
Did you look at the Page I did from the LA Times on the restraining order? Where a doctor and family would be able to intervene in the instance of a person actually dangerously mentally ill? There must be a way to balance our rights and owners and as potential victims.
248 | Dark_Falcon May 29, 2014 7:42:53pm |
re: #244 freetoken
That sentence includes the presumption that the 2nd Amendment really is about carrying or owning handguns as we know them today.
This bill isn’t just handguns, and it isn’t about Concealed Carry. This thing says that you need to be found ‘suitable’ by law enforcement before you can own any gun, even a .22 bolt action.
Video-record an arrest where the police don’t come off looking very good? Under this bill the state police might well be able to deny you that Firearms Identification Card on grounds you had a “severe aversion to authority”. Moreover, unlike another proposal in California, this bill provides for no judicial review of police determinations (as far as I can see), and that makes it downright hideous in my eyes.
249 | goddamnedfrank May 29, 2014 7:46:00pm |
re: #168 Rightwingconspirator
But it also shows there are places where open carry is just meh. Nobody cares much. It’s ordinary.
Does it really? The majority of cars that pass aren’t honking and aren’t rolling their windows down. Those who do roll their windows down may be curious, polite or intimidated. People have called 911 one these guys, the police and county aren’t shutting them down because “nobody cares.”
When your movement’s main cause is making guns a part of the everyday experience and your modus operandi includes parading the streets with Gadsden flags and assault rifles, engaging in an online war with a group of moms, and outing anyone who dares to call 911 in fear, the last thing you need is dissension in the ranks.
This is the same Tarrant County Texas group whose idiots scared so many people in a restaurant that a customer called the cops and the employees locked themselves in the freezer. Clearly some people do care, do complain and don’t find it “meh.” These guys are so out there that other open carry groups are splitting away and distancing themselves from them.
250 | Dark_Falcon May 29, 2014 7:47:28pm |
re: #247 Rightwingconspirator
Did you look at the Page I did from the LA Times on the restraining order? Where a doctor and family would be able to intervene in the instance of a person actually dangerously mentally ill? There must be a way to balance our rights and owners and as potential victims.
No, but I did read about the California proposal on CNN’s website. It is far less problematic than the one in Massachusetts, as it requires the police to go to a judge before seizing any firearms and it allows anyone made served with its restraining order to challenge the order in court. I don’t love the idea, but I’m going to look at it more closely before rendering any full judgements.
251 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 7:48:04pm |
#BlackGirlsAreMagic #MotherhoodInColorRT @Blackgoddess93: Haitian woman defending her son in the Dominican Republic” pic.twitter.com/b6eZWuiEEx”— Auntie Peebz. (@thepbg) May 30, 2014
252 | coin operated May 29, 2014 7:48:14pm |
re: #248 Dark_Falcon
this bill provides for no judicial review of police determinations (as far as I can see), and that makes it downright hideous in my eyes.
Agree completely. Piss of the local cops, for any reason, and have your gun rights revoked. You know this is how the law will play out if there isn’t some formal review process.
253 | Skip Intro May 29, 2014 7:49:42pm |
re: #220 FemNaziBitch
Some people are so booorrrriinnnggg.
Bruddah Buddah womanwhorunswithchickens • a day ago
remember HITLER! First he got their trust, then socialized healthcare, then education, then provided factories for the people to work at and come out of economical turmoil, then convinced them they didn’t need guns…then slaughtered them all! Read your history! It’s repeating itself here in America!
254 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 7:51:01pm |
re: #253 Skip Intro
Well, Hitler and others thruout history have systematically disarmed a particular group of people. In this country it seems to be the poor, the immigrant and the African-American.
255 | jaunte May 29, 2014 7:51:06pm |
So how'd I do, folks? #TransparentNonsense
— John Schindler (@20committee) May 30, 2014
256 | Skip Intro May 29, 2014 7:51:45pm |
re: #254 FemNaziBitch
Well, Hitler and others thruout history have systematically disarmed a particular group of people. In this country it seems to be the poor, the immigrant and the African-American.
That’s what makes Obama so devious.
257 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 7:52:06pm |
258 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 7:52:41pm |
re: #257 Killgore Trout
It’s a still from a movie called Cristo Rey
Yeah, well it’s still a great scene.
259 | Killgore Trout May 29, 2014 7:53:00pm |
Cristo Rey, directed by Leticia Tonos Paniagua, 2013.
260 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 7:54:57pm |
re: #249 goddamnedfrank
That just did not look like a panic or any major problem at all. You may want to keep in mind how I feel about those open carry demonstrations. They really are foolish and unproductive. However the alleged sense of drastic concern by the public just did not seem to be there. Just a lot of trucks and cars passing on by with a few honks. That’s usually a sign of support for a street demonstration. Sure is around here for a Union strike walk like we see at Universal City sometimes..
261 | Dark_Falcon May 29, 2014 7:55:21pm |
re: #258 FemNaziBitch
Yeah, well it’s still a great scene.
Maybe, but do understand that if that was real life, that woman would be guilty of doing the same thing the militia types at the Bundy Ranch did when they pointed rifles at BLM agents.
262 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 7:55:37pm |
@kharyp @banditDerenzio Let's be clear, those of us who can compromise:it's not your gun we're after. It's violent felons and psychotics.— Wooflepup (@Wooflepup) May 30, 2014
263 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 7:56:28pm |
re: #261 Dark_Falcon
Maybe, but do understand that if that was real life, that woman would be guilty of doing the same thing the militia types at the Bundy Ranch did when they pointed rifles at BLM agents.
You don’t have children, do you?
264 | goddamnedfrank May 29, 2014 7:59:48pm |
Any newspaper editor publishing a story about pending legislation without listing the name and number of the motherfucking bill in question should be shot.
265 | Dark_Falcon May 29, 2014 8:00:36pm |
re: #263 FemNaziBitch
You don’t have children, do you?
No, but what of it? Being a mother can’t be grounds to flout the law.
266 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 8:00:42pm |
re: #264 goddamnedfrank
Any newspaper editor publishing a story about pending legislation without listing the name and number of the motherfucking bill in question should be shot.
NRA does that all the time in their magazines propaganda.
267 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 8:01:08pm |
re: #265 Dark_Falcon
No, but what of it? Being a mother can’t be grounds to flout the law.
Sarek: Forgive me, T’Lar. My logic is uncertain, where my son is concerned.
268 | Rightwingconspirator May 29, 2014 8:01:33pm |
re: #249 goddamnedfrank
And BTW Skips image of a guy and a cop relates to a lawsuit by the open carry group over a sidewalk protest ordinance. Nothing to do with the obviously legal if/and unwise open carry exercise.
I really wish these guys would stop. What a useless distraction from the work that needs doing.
269 | Gus May 29, 2014 8:01:47pm |
270 | Dark_Falcon May 29, 2014 8:02:08pm |
re: #264 goddamnedfrank
Any newspaper editor publishing a story about pending legislation without listing the name and number of the motherfucking bill in question should be shot.
You’d have to shoot most of ‘em, Frank, because its a pretty common thing. For what its worth, I agree with you its deplorable.
272 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 8:05:43pm |
273 | Interesting Times May 29, 2014 8:06:56pm |
You guys aren’t helping me feel very secure about my trip to the US next week…
274 | HappyWarrior May 29, 2014 8:07:02pm |
re: #272 FemNaziBitch
Nevada Man Shoots Unarmed Couple, Claims ‘Stand Your Ground’ Defense (Video) -
Not again.
275 | Dark_Falcon May 29, 2014 8:08:22pm |
Relevant because of the Snowden Affair:
Pentagon drops over $500 million in contracts this May
They have one contract for a broad scope of intelligence-gathering contracts with American Systems, Booz Allen Hamilton, Ideal Innovations, Scientific Applications and the Scientific Research Corp. for “the procurement of biometric support services in the areas of research and development, investigation, analysis, test and evaluation procurement and reporting for counter-terrorism, counterinsurgency and force protection technology needs, intelligence gathering technology, identity exploitation and the overall development of multi-modal biometric technologies.”
(Bolding Mine.)
276 | goddamnedfrank May 29, 2014 8:10:00pm |
All I can find is the press release and title. The bill isn’t in the Mass state database yet, so no House bill number.
The Executive Office of Public Safety and Security (EOPSS) must establish a specific and uniform suitability standard for both licenses to carry and FID cards. While law enforcement officials have a procedure for issuing a license to carry, which is used to purchase or possess any legal firearm including hand guns, this bill establishes a similar process for the issuance of an FID card by creating a suitability standard. FID cards are used for the purchase and possession of a shotgun or rifle. The bill also requires local licensing authorities to trace any firearm used to commit a crime within its jurisdiction and to report relevant data.
Legally I guess it depends on what they mean by “suitability.” In most sane countries you have to be able to get through an interview with a psychologist or a cop without raising any red flags. If you can’t have a normal goddamned conversation with a psychologist or cop without creeping them the fuck out then you really shouldn’t own any firearms. At the very least somebody should be allowed to inspect an applicant’s storage area to make sure it meets minimum objective standards.
277 | Dark_Falcon May 29, 2014 8:10:10pm |
re: #274 HappyWarrior
Not again.
He’s been charged with murder. and the police did not hesitate in levying said charge.
278 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 8:10:36pm |
“@HuffPostPol: Anti-gay Christian group refuses to accept mail with new Harvey Milk stamp http://t.co/NSe11W0lge— sean mackey (@1DancingCrane) May 30, 2014
279 | goddamnedfrank May 29, 2014 8:11:32pm |
280 | jaunte May 29, 2014 8:11:45pm |
Yes, ACLU really said there's no damage from #SnowdenOp. Ok to say you think damage was worth it, but to deny flatly is beyond dishonest.
— John Schindler (@20committee) May 30, 2014
281 | teleskiguy May 29, 2014 8:13:11pm |
re: #241 Rightwingconspirator
.3 murders a year. Lots to be said for a peaceful place to live.
Funny you mention that. Two people were killed with guns this month very near where I live. A teenager shot his dad in their house and the cops showed up 6 days later to a sullen boy and a decomposing body. That was weird.
A few days later, a guy shot a Colorado State Patrol officer on Interstate 70 just down the road. Luckily, the officer who was shot had a partner with him, and he killed the gunman.
Very unusual to have that kind of violence happen in this part of the world, the murder rate, like I said, is very very low.
Which is funny because there are a lot of guns in this part of the world too.
282 | goddamnedfrank May 29, 2014 8:15:02pm |
re: #260 Rightwingconspirator
Just a lot of trucks and cars passing on by with a few honks. That’s usually a sign of support for a street demonstration.
I wasn’t aware that overwhelming passivity equated to support.
283 | HappyWarrior May 29, 2014 8:15:10pm |
re: #277 Dark_Falcon
He’s been charged with murder. and the police did not hesitate in levying said charge.
That’s not what I mean. This is another senseless death by an asshole who thought he was within his rights to fire on unarmed people.
284 | goddamnedfrank May 29, 2014 8:20:58pm |
re: #277 Dark_Falcon
He’s been charged with murder. and the police did not hesitate in levying said charge.
Nevertheless the law played into the killer’s mindset before he pulled the trigger. He had been informed of the victim’s presence and instead of calling the police he armed himself with two guns, sought out the two tresspassers on his vacant rental property, and shot them. He planned in advance to use SYG as an excuse for the murder.
This is how stand your ground laws get people killed, by altering people’s mindsets about what is acceptable, and encouraging atrocious behavior.
285 | Dark_Falcon May 29, 2014 8:21:08pm |
re: #283 HappyWarrior
That’s not what I mean. This is another senseless death by an asshole who thought he was within his rights to fire on unarmed people.
Reading the story, one finds that the woman survived (which means a direct witness to the shooting) and that Nevada’s SYG law contains a clarification not found in Florida’s law, the clarification being that a person claiming SYG justification cannot have been the ‘original aggressor” the confrontation. This means that if judge finds the defendant was being the aggressor by entering the building where he knew the squatters were instead of calling the police, then he cannot use the SYG law.
286 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 8:23:34pm |
287 | goddamnedfrank May 29, 2014 8:24:00pm |
re: #285 Dark_Falcon
Reading the story, one finds that the woman survived (which means a direct witness to the shooting) and that Nevada’s SYG law contains a clarification not found in Florida’s law, the clarification being that a person claiming SYG justification cannot have been the ‘original aggressor” the confrontation. This means that if judge finds the defendant was being the aggressor by entering the building where he knew the squatters were instead of calling the police, then he cannot use the SYG law.
So what exactly. The lesson here is that he should have killed the woman so it was his word against two corpses.
The only logical conclusion is that SYG laws result in more pointless killing.
288 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 8:24:43pm |
re: #283 HappyWarrior
That’s not what I mean. This is another senseless death by an asshole who thought he was within his rights to fire on unarmed people.
Blatant disregard for human life. Placing the value of HIS property rights over the life of another. EGO with a gun.
289 | HappyWarrior May 29, 2014 8:25:57pm |
re: #285 Dark_Falcon
Reading the story, one finds that the woman survived (which means a direct witness to the shooting) and that Nevada’s SYG law contains a clarification not found in Florida’s law, the clarification being that a person claiming SYG justification cannot have been the ‘original aggressor” the confrontation. This means that if judge finds the defendant was being the aggressor by entering the building where he knew the squatters were instead of calling the police, then he cannot use the SYG law.
Again I don’t think you are reading me. I’m not upset at law enforcement like I was in the Martin case. I’m upset that this is yet another individual who thinks he’s in the legal right to shoot unarmed people. I am not talking legality at all here. I’m talking about my own frustrations at assholes like this who think they’re allowed to shoot unarmed people and not get punished.
290 | HappyWarrior May 29, 2014 8:26:47pm |
re: #288 FemNaziBitch
Blatant disregard for human life. Placing the value of HIS property rights over the life of another. EGO with a gun.
Thank you. Exactly. He didn’t need to shoot them but he did anyhow.
291 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 8:29:53pm |
Here is the deal, the law is made by men.
It is not set in stone.
It is meant to be interpreted by the Judicial System.
Rigid adherence to the law has no place in our Republican Democracy.
I actually there is a famous quote about that. Judge Roy Bean or someone similar.
292 | goddamnedfrank May 29, 2014 8:30:17pm |
re: #289 HappyWarrior
I’m talking about my own frustrations at assholes like this who think they’re allowed to shoot unarmed people and not get punished.
And in this case like at least two others I can think of the circumstances point to the SYG law itself as an element of the killer’s premeditation:
-The Florida ex cop who shot the guy in the theater for texting.
-The Florida “loud music” trial.
293 | goddamnedfrank May 29, 2014 8:33:14pm |
Also the Texas guy Joe Horn who went outside and killed the two guys robbing a neighbor’s house, after the 911 operator pleaded with him to stay inside and wait for officers to arrive. That guy explicitly cited new state law as defense in advance of the action he was about to take.
294 | Dark_Falcon May 29, 2014 8:38:22pm |
re: #293 goddamnedfrank
Also the Texas guy Joe Horn who went outside and killed the two guys robbing a neighbor’s house, after the 911 operator pleaded with him to stay inside and wait for officers to arrive. That guy explicitly cited new state law as defense in advance of the action he was about to take.
That case is a bit more complex than was originally reported, I found out recently. Once Horn was outside the robbers rushed at him, and it was only at that point that Horn fired, a fact that was witnessed and attested to by the arriving police officers. Most media outlets just broadcast the 911 tape, so most people who have heard of the story don’t know why Horn wasn’t charged with anything. But in truth, Joe Horn did not fire his shotgun because those men were robbing a house, he fired because they attacked him.
296 | teleskiguy May 29, 2014 8:43:43pm |
Dude sank mere seconds after the photo was snapped, I’ll bet (I wasn’t there).
Gros carving… sur l'eau! I guess it means “Large carving… on the water!” in French. @Teleskiermag pic.twitter.com/ZVXzb11rXX— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) May 30, 2014
298 | FemNaziBitch May 29, 2014 8:45:50pm |
Most of the issues that mankind sets out to settle, it never does settle… The dispute fades into the past unsolved, though perhaps it may be renewed as history and fought over again. It disappears because it is replaced by some compromise that, although not wholly acceptable to either side, offers a tolerable substitute for victory…
Quoted in Jacques Barzun and Henry Graff, “The Modern Researcher”, 3rd edition (New York: Harcourt, Brace, Jovanovich, 1977), 44. As cited in “Chemistry and Controversy: Regulating the Use of Chemicals in Foods, 1883-1959”; An Abstract of A Dissertation by Suzanne Rebecca White submitted to the Faculty of the Graduate School of Emory University in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy, Department of History, 1994.
299 | teleskiguy May 29, 2014 8:52:31pm |
re: #295 Stanley Sea
Bottom line, we’ve lost respect for life.
Hardcore religious conservatives say this all the time to justify their nefarious objectives. I beg to differ. It’s not necessarily that we don’t respect life but we’ve lost our sense of purpose. I think about the space race of the 50s and 60s and regardless of the really scary shit going on in the world at that time human beings were still charting the unknown - in the US and Russia - we had a sense of purpose.
That sense of purpose was rooted in scientific discovery, and it heralded just amazing advances in technology that made life for humans better.
I’ve vocalized a couple of times here at LGF the thing the scares me most about life and political life in the United States, and that’s the rejection of science among a large portion of our populace. Those people, their rejection of science is rooted in their purpose, which is to wait for Christ to return and all that nonsense. Why find purpose in this realm if all is taken care of in the end and we get to hang out with Jesus in Heaven and all the sinners…
Oh Gawd. I’m gonna stop that rant. Where was I going with that? Man, this legal weed is kill brah!
I don’t think we’ve lost respect for life as a whole, but as I told Gus on Twitter tonight, we got our priorities all screwed up.
300 | goddamnedfrank May 29, 2014 9:00:35pm |
re: #294 Dark_Falcon
That case is a bit more complex than was originally reported, I found out recently. Once Horn was outside the robbers rushed at him, and it was only at that point that Horn fired, a fact that was witnessed and attested to by the arriving police officers. Most media outlets just broadcast the 911 tape, so most people who have heard of the story don’t know why Horn wasn’t charged with anything. But in truth, Joe Horn did not fire his shotgun because those men were robbing a house, he fired because they attacked him.
That’s not complex, Joe Horn willingly went outside armed and looking to kill.
An unidentified plain clothes police detective responding to the 911 call arrived at the scene before the shooting, and witnessed the escalation and shootings while remaining in his car.[3] His report on the incident indicated that the men who were killed “received gunfire from the rear”.[1] Police Capt. A.H. “Bud” Corbett, a spokesman for the Pasadena Police Department, stated that the two men ignored Mr. Horn’s order to freeze and that one of the suspects ran towards Joe Horn before angling away from Horn toward the street when the suspect was shot in the back. The medical examiner’s report could not specify whether they were shot in the back due to the ballistics of the shotgun wound.[7] Pasadena police confirmed that the two men were shot after they ventured into Horn’s front yard. The plain clothes detective did not arrest Horn.
All this is totally avoidable if Joe Horn stayed in his fucking house and didn’t decide to use lethal force over property that didn’t even belong to him. It’s disgusting to see you try to find some level of nuance excusing that. Not surprising, just disgusting.
301 | HappyWarrior May 29, 2014 9:04:32pm |
re: #295 Stanley Sea
Bottom line, we’ve lost respect for life.
This is what I’m getting at. We’ve had people die over people thinking music was too loud, not liking text messaging, egging houses, etc. Yeah jades me just a bit that there’s a lot of trigger happy assholes out there.
302 | William Barnett-Lewis May 30, 2014 4:00:50am |
re: #99 Killgore Trout
Try being a moderate liberal among progressives. It’s not easy.
When you actually try it sometime, let us know.
303 | William Barnett-Lewis May 30, 2014 4:05:35am |
re: #243 Skip Intro
You can always join a Well Regulated Militia, Dark. I’m sure Illinois has a National Guard.
Read federal law - the militia is every male citizen over the age of 18 & ever woman that is an officer in the National Guard.
304 | William Barnett-Lewis May 30, 2014 4:08:47am |
re: #254 FemNaziBitch
Well, Hitler and others thruout history have systematically disarmed a particular group of people. In this country it seems to be the poor, the immigrant and the African-American.
People try to forget that. The Sullivan Act, written by the NRA for the state, in New York was explicitly about that. It was all about disarming the urban poor to prevent armed revolt.