Overnight Tiny Desk Concert: Daughter

“I want you so much, but I hate your guts”
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Daughter first popped up on our radar when we heard the London band’s song “Landfill” while preparing for SXSW early last year: Achingly pretty and melancholy, the track builds to an absolute gut-punch of a line — “I want you so much, but I hate your guts” — that conjures a pitch-perfect mix of gloom, desire and hostility.

The group has since released a full-length album, this year’s lovely If You Leave, but Daughter was kind enough to resuscitate “Landfill” for this stripped-down performance at the Tiny Desk. As you’ll see and hear, that aforementioned gut-punch is a recurring specialty for the band: In all three of these sad, searing songs, singer Elena Tonra showcases a remarkable gift for coolly but approachably dishing out weary words that resonate and devastate. —STEPHEN THOMPSON

Set List
“Youth”
“Landfill”
“Tomorrow”

Credits
Producers: Bob Boilen, Denise DeBelius, Stephen Thompson; Audio Engineer: Kevin Wait; Videographers: Parker Miles Blohm, Chloe Coleman, Denise DeBelius

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334 comments
1
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 31, 2016 • 8:46:29pm

Here is my happy place for today.

John Scott wins 2016 NHL All-Star MVP

2
Kragar  Jan 31, 2016 • 8:56:19pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 31, 2016 • 9:03:58pm

G’night folks.

Gulls (and duck) on the rocks
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teleskiguy  Jan 31, 2016 • 9:15:22pm

I’m going to state the obvious.

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allegro  Jan 31, 2016 • 9:16:32pm

At this moment for me, happiness is pear slices and Swiss cheese. Nom.

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ausador  Jan 31, 2016 • 9:25:51pm

That was some beautifully thoughtful music Charles, thanks.

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jaunte  Jan 31, 2016 • 9:34:06pm
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retired cynic  Jan 31, 2016 • 9:47:52pm

re: #7 jaunte

Not me. I can manage quite nicely without having that image in my head, thank you.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 9:48:26pm

The religious right in this country will probably gnash at this:

Don’t Shoot the Messenger, Israel

I’m kind of glad this question doesn’t get raised in the GOP debates, given the foreign policy of most of them is AMERICA IS EXCEPTIONAL AND WE’RE GOING TO BOMB YOU TO PROVE IT!

Still, in the general election debates, if there are any, the question of US policy about Palestine will most likely be raised.

I wonder what the US electorate wants to hear?

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SoundGuy 2016  Jan 31, 2016 • 9:50:18pm

I keep imagining Cruz singing Nickelback. Because I’m a twisted bastard.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 9:52:18pm

re: #10 SoundGuy 2016

Maybe he sings “A Spoonful of Sugar” from Mary Poppins?

That would make for quite the GIF - Cruz as Poppins.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 9:54:16pm

Palm fronds all over the ground around here… wind really blew them down this afternoon.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 31, 2016 • 9:57:14pm

re: #11 freetoken

Maybe he sings “A Spoonful of Sugar” from Mary Poppins?

That would make for quite the GIF - Cruz as Poppins.

If he sings anything from Mary Poppins, it probably ends up sounding more like this:

THE ORIGINAL Scary ‘Mary Poppins’ Recut Trailer

Okay, I’m really going to sleep now. See you guys tomorrow.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 9:58:22pm

Sounds like the opening scene of a disaster movie:

WOMAN’S BODY DISCOVERED WITH TWO LIVE MONKEYS INSIDE FLORIDA HOTEL ROOM

Police in Florida are investigating after a woman was found dead in a hotel room along with two live monkeys.

[…]

Near Smith’s body were two monkeys contained inside a crate.

Officers say there are no obvious signs of trauma, but an incoherent man also found inside the room was questioned and received medical attention.

The monkeys are now in the care of the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission.

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sagehen  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:04:26pm

re: #7 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Springtime for Hitler

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:07:41pm

Scary, indeed:

Dead woman, Capuchin monkeys, incoherent man, note found in Florida motel scene

[…]

This was a strange scene indeed, According to law enforcment in the area, the 59-year-old woman’s cause of death has not been identified. In addition, the note’s contents had not been disclosed and the reason the male in the room was not able to communicate remains unknown.

[…]

Of course, this situation serves to make speculators’ minds go wild. One reporter said that a film he saw was about some primates who were about to wipe out a civilization came about because they were carrying a deadly virus. Those monkeys were the same type of monkeys found in their cages in that Florida hotel room. […]

Insert some appropriately scary music.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:07:59pm

re: #15 sagehen

Best pretzels ever.

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ausador  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:11:33pm

This shit right here is why people are growing to despise Bernie’s supporters.

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allegro  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:13:59pm

re: #16 freetoken

Scary, indeed:

Dead woman, Capuchin monkeys, incoherent man, note found in Florida motel scene

Insert some appropriately scary music.

I admit, retrovirus was the first thought that entered my mind.

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teleskiguy  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:15:11pm
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allegro  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:18:34pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

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sagehen  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:21:57pm

re: #21 allegro

SPOILERS!!

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ausador  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:22:14pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

Grease has always been problematic for me, I mean it is a fairy tale of sorts but the moral of the story? It seems to be to learn how to dress like a cheap whore and put out for your boyfriend.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:23:25pm

A Corner of Iowa Yearns for Life After Caucuses

The day began at a middle school here, in a gym stuffed with supporters of Donald J. Trump and their Stetsons, with a chorus of hundreds shouting the gold-plated name they had seen on the plane, in the news, at the top of the polls.

It graduated some 50 minutes later and a mile and a half down the road, to Abraham Lincoln High School, where Hillary Clinton spoke beneath a six-foot, bronze Honest Abe, looming overhead.

And by nightfall Sunday, this city of more than 60,000, which would have been spared the cyclical political circus if it were across the Missouri River in Nebraska, seemed grateful that the 2016 presidential candidates would not soon return to educate voters who are disinclined to enroll in the tradition.

[…]

Dear NYT: If Council Bluffs was in Nebraska across the Missouri River, it would be called “Omaha”.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:24:13pm

CNN, though, would probably call it “Perth”.

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allegro  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:24:48pm

re: #22 sagehen

SPOILERS!!

Oh. Fixed.

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teleskiguy  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:25:36pm

re: #23 ausador

I hate Grease. It’s abominably cheap and cheesy, a distillation of what the squares think is cool and appropriate for WASPs.

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teleskiguy  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:28:40pm

re: #23 ausador

If you use [ spoiler ] instead of [ private ] it’ll hide the comment but also allow non-registered users to see it if they want.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:31:02pm

Blizzard watch all across the entire Northwestern half of Iowa:

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DES MOINES IA
917 PM CST SUN JAN 31 2016

...SIGNIFICANT WINTER STORM TO IMPACT IOWA LATE MONDAY NIGHT
THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT...

.SNOW WILL SPREAD INTO IOWA MONDAY NIGHT AND TUESDAY MORNING WITH
A BROAD SWATH OF 6 INCHES OR MORE FALLING. THIS WILL IMPACT THE
MORNING COMMUTE IN MANY AREAS. STRONG WINDS WITH GUSTS OVER
40 MPH ARE LIKELY FROM THE AFTERNOON ONWARD...AND WILL BLOW AND
DRIFT THE SNOW PRODUCING PERIODS OF NEAR WHITEOUT CONDITIONS
ESPECIALLY IN RURAL AREAS NORTH AND WEST OF DES MOINES.

IAZ033>039-044>048-057>059-07[no phone numbers allowed]30-
/o.con.kdmx.bz.A.0001.160202T0600Z-160203T1200Z/
SAC-CALHOUN-WEBSTER-HAMILTON-HARDIN-GRUNDY-BLACK HAWK-CRAWFORD-
CARROLL-GREENE-BOONE-STORY-AUDUBON-GUTHRIE-DALLAS-CASS-ADAIR-
ADAMS-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...SAC CITY...LAKE VIEW...ODEBOLT...
WALL LAKE...SCHALLER...EARLY...ROCKWELL CITY...MANSON...
LAKE CITY...POMEROY...FORT DODGE...WEBSTER CITY...IOWA FALLS...
ELDORA...ACKLEY...GRUNDY CENTER...REINBECK...CONRAD...DIKE...
WELLSBURG...WATERLOO...CEDAR FALLS...DENISON...CARROLL...
JEFFERSON...BOONE...AMES...AUDUBON...EXIRA...GUTHRIE CENTER...
PANORA...BAYARD...CASEY...PERRY...WAUKEE...ADEL...ATLANTIC...
GREENFIELD...STUART...ADAIR...FONTANELLE...CORNING
917 PM CST SUN JAN 31 2016

...BLIZZARD WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM LATE MONDAY NIGHT
THROUGH LATE TUESDAY NIGHT...

[...]


* IMPACTS...EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS WILL DEVELOP.
TRAVEL MAY BECOME NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE AT TIMES. PLEASE
RECONSIDER ANY TRAVEL PLANS.

So, I wonder if this will deter caucus goers? Will this cause Trump supporters to stay home?

Or, since the NW half of Iowa is probably Cruz’s strongest area (it’s more Republican and more fundamentalist), will this hurt Cruz more?

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ausador  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:32:07pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

It wasn’t me…
Shaggy - It Wasn`t Me (Video Oficial) HD

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:34:42pm
Iowa Weather Watches for Caucus Day
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Joe Bacon  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:35:16pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:37:04pm

re: #29 freetoken

Probably won’t deter trump voters. He told them they must vote even if they have a 104 degree fever and according to their doctor, they’d die if they got out of bed.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:37:42pm

re: #33 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump encouraged his supporters to not be deterred by ” a little bit of snow”.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:37:44pm

Been watching the news here in San Francisco covering the storms in Los Angeles. Hoping everyone in the LA area is OK!

Checking out of the Sir Francis Drake tomorrow at 6 to get on the Coast Starlight to come home. Hope there are no delays…

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:38:50pm

re: #35 Joe Bacon

We got less than a half inch of rain down here. But the winds have been blowing at times quite hard. Around here just some leaves and fronds down.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:39:29pm

re: #31 freetoken

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WOW! Looks like the Steve King part of the state is going to be snowbound. I wonder if that is going to hurt Trump more than Cruz. And if Cruz wins, his Pulpit Pimp Poppa will bullshit about “an act of Gawd”…

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:39:39pm

I wonder if caucus chairs will call for early end to their gatherings on Monday night so everyone can get home safely.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:40:25pm

re: #37 Joe Bacon

Most of the snow will be after 8pm, but before then could have freezing rain.

Regardless, travel will not be easy.

I do wonder if this will affect turnout.

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ausador  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:40:45pm

re: #32 Joe Bacon
Annie (2014) - Hard Knock Life (Song) - HD

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Joe Bacon  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:41:17pm

re: #36 freetoken

We got less than a half inch of rain down here. But the winds have been blowing at times quite hard. Around here just some leaves and fronds down.

I’m just hoping everyone is OK! The News is talking about the high winds, storm damage, uprooted trees and power outages…I just checked the Amtrak status for the Coast Starlight arrival at Oakland tomorrow morning and it says the train is on time…

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teleskiguy  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:42:57pm

re: #7 jaunte

I’d vote for Cruz in a heartbeat if I found out he ever sang tunes from “The Book of Mormon.” Alas, I know better. He’d surely kill his whole family before he ever watched such filthy blasphemy. After all, this is a guy who stopped listening to rock ‘n’ roll and started to listen to a lot of country after 9/11.

Ted Cruz is such a fucking creep, man. And we all have to deal with him during the presidential campaign. And Texas citizens have to deal with him seemingly in perpetuity, what with him being a Senator.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:43:44pm

re: #41 Joe Bacon

You can see the scattered showers here, the heavy rain over PHX, and the entire system of warm moist air moving north and east (and yes, towards Iowa) in the national radar loop:

radar.weather.gov

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ausador  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:44:24pm

re: #33 GlutenFreeJesus

Probably won’t deter trump voters. He told them they must vote even if they have a 104 degree fever and according to their doctor, they’d die if they got out of bed.

This is where we get our first evidence as to whether reality matches the rhetoric.

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ausador  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:51:23pm

Hmm…the kids instincts seem to be correct.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 31, 2016 • 10:57:16pm

re: #45 ausador

Hmm…the kids instincts seem to be correct.

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20 years from now, I’m anticipating the book that the Cruz kids will write. Something tells me that it will make “Mommie Dearest” look like “Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm”!

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:04:26pm

Ok, here’s the forecast at 8PM Iowa time, when I think the voting is supposed to be done at the caucuses:

natforecast1Feb_18PST

Only 4 hours later you can see the snowing increasing across the state:

natforecast1Feb_22PST

I suspect many people will be anxious to get home if they go out to caucus.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:06:47pm

re: #14 freetoken

Sounds like the opening scene of a disaster movie:

WOMAN’S BODY DISCOVERED WITH TWO LIVE MONKEYS INSIDE FLORIDA HOTEL ROOM

More like a Carl Hiaasen novel…

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:07:47pm

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Not familiar with his work.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:11:32pm

re: #49 freetoken

Not familiar with his work.

He writes detective novels set in Florida, full of very black humor and outlandish characters that reflect the everyday craziness of Florida.
HIs latest, Bad Monkey, even features a Capuchin that supposedly got kicked off the set of Pirates of the Caribbean for humping Elizabeth Swan’s wig.

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ausador  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:16:27pm

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Some great books that parody the absurdities and craziness found in Southern Florida.

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teleskiguy  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:19:29pm

freetoken, I like your style. I’ve seen you do this before, show weather forecasts during elections. I think the weather weighs in far more heavily in smaller elections, especially at the local level. I’ve seen local elections postponed because of weather.

I wish folks were more realistic about elections. You cannot conduct a national election with a nine-figure country population in one day, in the United States’ case the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November. And the stupid frickin’ order that states’ delegates are chosen for the presidential nominating process (Iowa and New Hampshire in February, awesome!). And there’s no predicting ‘acts of god’ that freetoken is pointing out in this thread that might keep regular folk from voting.

Some states are getting smart (my state, Colorado, included) by allowing early voting and vote by mail and such.

Still, elections are a clusterfuck in the United States. And conservatives in certain parts of the country want to make it harder to vote for some.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:20:42pm

re: #44 ausador

This is where we get our first evidence as to whether reality matches the rhetoric.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling it will.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:29:34pm

re: #52 teleskiguy

freetoken, I like your style. I’ve seen you do this before, show weather forecasts during elections. I think the weather weighs in far more heavily in smaller elections, especially at the local level. I’ve seen local elections postponed because of weather.

I wish folks were more realistic about elections. You cannot conduct a national election with a nine-figure country population in one day, in the United States’ case the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November. And the stupid frickin’ order that states’ delegates are chosen for the presidential nominating process (Iowa and New Hampshire in February, awesome!). And there’s no predicting ‘acts of god’ that freetoken is pointing out in this thread that might keep regular folk from voting.

Some states are getting smart (my state, Colorado, included) by allowing early voting and vote by mail and such.

Still, elections are a clusterfuck in the United States. And conservatives in certain parts of the country want to make it harder to vote for some.

Here in the Czech Republic, a relatively small nation with a total of 10.5 million people, voting is done on the weekends, Saturdays and Sundays. It seems to work pretty good overall, I’d say.

Granted, the USA was an agricultural society in the late 18th Century when the US Constitution was written, and back then, Tuesday voting no doubt was a very good idea. The USA, and indeed, the world, has changed dramatically since then, so if it were entirely up to me, the Constitution would be amended to allow for three days of voting: Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Something like, let’s say, beginning on the first Friday of the month of November, to also include the full weekend of Saturday and Sunday. I wouldn’t change the month, just the day(s) on which it’s done.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:30:07pm

re: #52 teleskiguy

You cannot conduct a national election with a nine-figure country population in one day, in the United States’ case the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November.

Compounding the issue is the way Americans love instant gratification: miracle diets, casual hookups, overnight get-rich-quick schemes and opinion polls that give us election results ten months in advance…

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:30:08pm

re: #52 teleskiguy

We’re barely a “democratic” nation. Democracy on the local level - yes, to some extent, as city boards, school boards, etc. are clearly determined by who show up to vote, and the voters are the local citizens. But even here, I know the turnout is so low in off years that a handful of voters can determine who sits on this or that board.

But nationally - we’re sort of an oligarchy grafted with elements of democracy.

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Targetpractice  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:31:56pm

re: #18 ausador

This shit right here is why people are growing to despise Bernie’s supporters.

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I’ve grown to despise them mostly because the ones I’ve spoken with are a-okay with a President Trump if Bernie can’t be president, because (as one told me) America needs to “hit rock bottom” before it will demand change. My response to him was to say that there’s a difference between hitting rock bottom…and having your “friend” feed your addiction to speed the process along while acting “holier than thou.”

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:33:55pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

I doubt a twelve-step approach to national politics can end in anything but disaster.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:34:56pm
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teleskiguy  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:36:44pm

Holy shit. I-70 from Silverthorne, CO to Denver (approximately 60 miles) just went from bumper-to-bumper to somewhat normal about 30 minutes ago.

I’m a ski freak and I am so glad I don’t live in Denver anymore. There’s a lot of stressed out snowsports enthusiasts in Denver tonight.

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Targetpractice  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:36:59pm

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Compounding the issue is the way Americans love instant gratification: miracle diets, casual hookups, overnight get-rich-quick schemes and opinion polls that give us election results ten months in advance…

Apparently that’s also mutated into a belief that electing a president of one stripe or another leads to immediate change, that he obviously got elected with a “mandate” and thus can make whatever he promised on the campaign trail come true. Some dark part of me almost wants to see Bernie win just to watch his fan club crushed the first time he crosses the aisle to get a bill passed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:38:27pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

Apparently that’s also mutated into a belief that electing a president of one stripe or another leads to immediate change, that he obviously got elected with a “mandate” and thus can make whatever he promised on the campaign trail come true. Some dark part of me almost wants to see Bernie win just to watch his fan club crushed the first time he crosses the aisle to get a bill passed.

In an ideal world, Bernie would be my man, but in our sad, modern real world, I have to swallow my bile and vote for HIllary.

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ausador  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:38:56pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

I’ve grown to despise them mostly because the ones I’ve spoken with are a-okay with a President Trump if Bernie can’t be president, because (as one told me) America needs to “hit rock bottom” before it will demand change. My response to him was to say that there’s a difference between hitting rock bottom…and having your “friend” feed your addiction to speed the process along while acting “holier than thou.”

If we let Republicans stack the Supreme Court we could lose 50 years of progressive advances almost overnight. And not just for one election cycle, for an entire generation.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:39:08pm

re: #59 FormerDirtDart

I’m not a lawyer and I don’t play one on the internet… but…

Isn’t conducting a “trial” outside of the elected gov’t a felony?

And if so, aren’t these people using Facebook to conspire to commit felonies?

Where is Facebook’s policy about not letting their site being used for crimes?

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Alyosha  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:39:48pm

Weather in the case of turnout in Iowa is pretty important. If I recall correctly, much of Trump’s support comes from those whose engagement in previous primary elections is spotty to nonexistent. Does anyone see many first time-caucus-goers actually brave the elements just to embarrass themselves with a Trump vote? Possibly. They’re a vocal lot but are they that motivated?
I reckon Cruz will win; though as it’s been pointed out numerous times, Iowa isn’t much of a bellweather and however it turns out, some clown is getting a minor boost.

Really getting toey about this inevitable Trumpsplosion getting under way…

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:43:46pm

re: #64 freetoken

I’m not a lawyer and I don’t play one on the internet… but…

Isn’t conducting a “trial” outside of the elected gov’t a felony?

And if so, aren’t these people using Facebook to conspire to commit felonies?

Where is Facebook’s policy about not letting their site being used for crimes?

I wouldn’t think conducting a “trial” would be a felony.
Now, attempting to carry out any sentence prescribed by said extralegal court, now that would be an other thing.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:44:24pm

re: #65 100th Monkey

Weather in the case of turnout in Iowa is pretty important. If I recall correctly, much of Trump’s support comes from those whose engagement in previous primary elections is spotty to nonexistent. Does anyone see many first time-caucus-goers actually brave the elements just to embarrass themselves with a Trump vote? Possibly. They’re a vocal lot but are they that motivated?
I reckon Cruz will win; though as it’s been pointed out numerous times, Iowa isn’t much of a bellweather and however it turns out, some clown is getting a minor boost.

Really getting toey about this inevitable Trumpsplosion getting under way…

I’d have to say that Cruz’s voters are the ‘crawl over broken glass’ types; they’re highly motivated to turn out to caucus. As to Trump’s voters? That remains to be seen. We’ll know late today, I presume.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:45:15pm

Yes, Kasich has to pander to the fundamentalist just like Trump has to:

At town hall meeting in Bow, Kasich focuses on leadership

[…]

Asked about the teaching of creationism versus evolution, Kasich said it should be a state’s choice, explaining that placing the power there gives parents the best access to effect change.

“It is far easier for you to get your hands on a state legislature here than in the federal government,” he said.

[…]

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:45:25pm

re: #66 FormerDirtDart

I wouldn’t think conducting a “trial” would be a felony.
Now, attempting to carry out any sentence prescribed by said extralegal court, now that would be an other thing.

I looked at that FB page - they’ve “ordered” the arrest of the Harney County Sheriff and others.

I get the feeling that won’t end well.

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Targetpractice  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:45:41pm

re: #63 ausador

If we let Republicans stack the Supreme Court we could lose 50 years of progressive advances almost overnight. And not just for one election cycle, for an entire generation.

I’ve tried to explain that to this fellow, but it’s like talking to a wingnut, the logic disappears into a black hole of stupidity. I’m supposed to believe that if Bernie wins, then it means the country as a whole supports his proposals, will vote out any in Congress who oppose them, and if he doesn’t then at least he fought for what was “right.” And if he loses, then the country will go to hell in a handbasket faster, and that will lead to a revolution that will see the people take back their democracy.

The only thing that makes this worse is the Bernie-ite is gay and keeps bringing up the recent legalization of gay marriage as proof that change can happen…but doesn’t seem to want to listen to me telling him that it wasn’t an act of Congress that made that happen or the President willing it to be so, it was the Supreme Court ruling against the bans. But like any idealist, he’s got a tunnel vision on the White House, to the exclusion of all else.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:48:35pm

Kreationists for Kasich!

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:48:40pm

re: #69 Dr Lizardo

I looked at that FB page - they’ve “ordered” the arrest of the Harney County Sheriff and others.

I get the feeling that won’t end well.

The tweets have been deleted already, but I thought they ordered the Harney & Grant Counties Sheriffs to locate and arrest said unidentified murders

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:49:36pm

re: #69 Dr Lizardo

I looked at that FB page - they’ve “ordered” the arrest of the Harney County Sheriff and others.

I get the feeling that won’t end well.

Oops….my bad. Actually, they’ve “ordered” the Sheriffs of both Harney and Grant counties to arrest those responsible for the death of Mr. Finicum.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:50:18pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart

The tweets have been deleted already, but I thought they ordered the Harney & Grant Counties Sheriffs to locate and arrest said unidentified murders

Yeah, I went back and re-read that; it’s in my #73.

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teleskiguy  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:50:49pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

Keep fighting the good fight, my friend!

I just say over and over SUPREME COURT APPOINTMENTS until the Bernie fanatic shuts the fuck up.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:51:47pm

Spectator at Cruz rally shouts out ‘Ted Cruz looks so weird’

Yes, in fact, he does.

Ted Cruz’s rally on the night before the Iowa caucuses got off to an odd start with someone yelling, “He looks so weird!” as the Texas senator took the stage.

The man, who appeared to be ill, was escorted out of the state fairground building Sunday night as he continued yelling: “Ted Cruz looks so weird!”

Cruz tried to laugh off the disruption, saying it appeared the bars had let out early. As the man continued yelling, Cruz asked, “Is that Trump back there?”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:52:25pm

re: #75 teleskiguy

Keep fighting the good fight, my friend!

I just say over and over SUPREME COURT APPOINTMENTS until the Bernie fanatic shuts the fuck up.

I believe that a lot of the gains we now take for granted in civil and personal rights are a partially legacy of the fourteen years of FDR’s administration and its appointees.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:53:24pm

So, I bet a bunch of media and apparatchiks were planning to fly out of Des Moines Tuesday morning, back to civilization.

I doubt if they’ll get out that easily.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:54:05pm
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teleskiguy  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:54:52pm

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I believe that a lot of the gains we now take for granted in civil and personal rights are a partially legacy of the fourteen years of FDR’s administration and its appointees.

I’m quite fond of the Warren and Burger courts myself.

:)

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:55:16pm
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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:56:38pm

So, Trump is planning on being in:

Waterloo 11AM
Cedar Rapids 1:30PM
Des Moines 9PM

If Trump is smart he’ll have his plane ready and warm at the airport, to go straight from the Sheraton and out of the snow storm.

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freetoken  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:57:13pm

Justice by Tweet.

America in the 21st century.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 31, 2016 • 11:57:15pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

I’m quite fond of the Warren and Burger courts myself.

:)

Plenty of people working hard to see their legacy overturned.

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:00:03am

re: #70 Targetpractice

The lack of support for downticket races too suggests that the Sanders campaign, from the top, is only concerned in two branches of government. It’s kind of a narrow-focussed, almost suicidal aim which treats failure at the final hurdle, falling short of the White House (assuming he wins the nomination), as a trigger for mass discontent which will see the timing of the much-vaunted ‘Revolution’ brought forward.

Since this is the implicit tone of the Sanders campaign, I can’t bank on him doing the right thing come the general if Clinton gets the nod.
I wasn’t around for the PUMAs (still not sure what it stands for) but I imagine this is the kind of schtick that was driving folks up the wall.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:00:23am

re: #82 freetoken

So, Trump is planning on being in:

Waterloo 11AM
Cedar Rapids 1:30PM
Des Moines 9PM

If Trump is smart he’ll have his plane ready and warm at the airport, to go straight from the Sheraton and out of the snow storm.

Is it true that Trump flies back to NYC as opposed to staying at whatever location he happens to be stumping at?

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:01:38am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I believe that a lot of the gains we now take for granted in civil and personal rights are a partially legacy of the fourteen years of FDR’s administration and its appointees.

Bernie supporters keep pointing to FDR as proof that socialism can be accepted and can work, but they keep overlooking the one fact: FDR had a supermajority in both houses who could ram through his agenda without delay. And the country was so desperate for some answer to the horrors of the Great Depression that they were willing to support anything that might offer relief.

By contrast, even in a best case scenario, Bernie will take office with a House firmly in Republican hands and a Senate held by Democrats who owe their majority to Blue Dogs who will fight Bernie on anything that smacks of socialism. And things right now are such that the public feels no need to go to extreme lengths to fix the country’s problems.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:01:49am

re: #86 Dr Lizardo

Is it true that Trump flies back to NYC as opposed to staying at whatever location he happens to be stumping at?

No, apparently he stays at local hotels. His schtick last week was praising the local Holiday Inn Express wherever he was in Iowa.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:02:50am

re: #85 100th Monkey

The lack of support for downticket races too suggests that the Sanders campaign, from the top, is only concerned in two branches of government. It’s kind of a narrow-focussed, almost suicidal aim which treats failure at the final hurdle, falling short of the White House (assuming he wins the nomination), as a trigger for mass discontent which will see the timing of the much-vaunted ‘Revolution’ brought forward.

Since this is the implicit tone of the Sanders campaign, I can’t bank on him doing the right thing come the general if Clinton gets the nod.
I wasn’t around for the PUMAs (still not sure what it stands for) but I imagine this is the kind of schtick that was driving folks up the wall.

That kind of bullshit thinking has lead to all sorts of unpleasantness in the pages of history. “Après nous le déluge”….that old canard.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:03:52am

re: #88 freetoken

No, apparently he stays at local hotels. His schtick last week was praising the local Holiday Inn Express wherever he was in Iowa.

Ah, OK. I’d read that he invariably flew back to NYC, preferring to sleep in his own bed.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:05:47am

How daring, a stealth mission at an unoccupied office, empty for several weeks now, along a lightly used highway
Such gallant Patritos…

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BeachDem  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:05:59am

re: #90 Dr Lizardo

Ah, OK. I’d read that he invariably flew back to NYC, preferring to sleep in his own bed.

I definitely read that he did that from New Hampshire and I think, South Carolina.

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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:07:12am

re: #91 FormerDirtDart

How daring, a stealth mission at an unoccupied office, empty for several weeks now, along a lightly used highway
Such gallant Patritos…

[Embedded content]

If I lived close I would already be on my way to take that down. That doesn’t belong up there with the American flag.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:08:20am

Donald Trump Promises to Build New White House Ballroom

In his final speech before Iowa caucus day, Donald Trump renewed his old promise to build a lavish White House ballroom and pay for it himself.

“Every time the top people come over from China … they put up a tent at the White House,” he said, during his final event Sunday in Sioux City, Iowa. “We’ll have a ballroom at the White House.”

He said he had long ago come up with a plan for the new facility. “We’ll get the top people, the top everything, we’ll have the best ballroom. Because I notice they always put tents up on the lawn. Number one, it’s not a good security thing. Number two, the guy that owns the tents is making a fortune,” he said […]

I’m sure it’ll be called “The Trump Ballroom” for all future generations to remember him.

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:09:49am

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

That kind of bullshit thinking has lead to all sorts of unpleasantness in the pages of history. “Après nous le déluge”….that old canard.

I used to be one of those bullshit ‘thinkers’. And since it seems that even the mutant patriot III%ers can’t maintain momentum even with all their fear and weaponry, expecting the Revolution to be delivered by such a diffuse bunch of lefty malcontents, however well-intentioned, is the same kind of empty wish - thinking.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:14:59am

re: #95 100th Monkey

I used to be one of those bullshit ‘thinkers’. And since it seems that even the mutant patriot III%ers can’t maintain momentum even with all their fear and weaponry, expecting the Revolution to be delivered by such a diffuse bunch of lefty malcontents, however well-intentioned, is the same kind of empty wish - thinking.

When I was younger, I used to be quite the little Bolshevik. Until one day it occurred to me that Leninism is the politics of prophecy - it is utopianism. See, the Bolsheviks believed that they represented the revolutionary vanguard of the proletarian; to put it another way, they represented the working class not as it actually was at the time of their coup d’etat, but as it would become under their tutelage.

That’s utopianism and I realized that such an idea is inherently impractical. It’s a form of magical thinking.

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ausador  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:15:10am

The media must insist on the validity of the fakes…whats the difference?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:15:21am

re: #92 BeachDem

I definitely read that he did that from New Hampshire and I think, South Carolina.

Yeah, I think the first time I ever heard about Trump staying at a local hotel during the campaign was when the NYC area/east coast airports were closed for the blizzard

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:17:01am

So, I’m not sure where he’d put a ballroom:

google.com

Any new structure will obscure the view of the old structure, which everyone thinks of as “The White House”.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:17:19am

re: #92 BeachDem

I definitely read that he did that from New Hampshire and I think, South Carolina.

I guess that’s doable when campaigning on the Eastern Seaboard close to home - now that he has to go further afield, the Midwest and ultimately, the West Coast, it’s no longer practical.

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ausador  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:19:23am

re: #97 ausador

Confirm its authenticity, from a Facebook post, by a guy who never studied law yet calls himself a Superior Court judge…sure, you do that…

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:25:46am

I just don’t see where the ballroom is going to fit…

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ausador  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:28:12am

re: #102 freetoken

I just don’t see where the ballroom is going to fit…

Kiss the tennis court goodbye…

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:28:25am

re: #96 Dr Lizardo

When I was younger, I used to be quite the little Bolshevik. Until one day it occurred to me that Leninism is the politics of prophecy - it is utopianism. See, the Bolsheviks believed that they represented the revolutionary vanguard of the proletarian; to put it another way, they represented the working class not as it actually was at the time of their coup d’etat, but as it would become under their tutelage.

That’s utopianism and I realized that such an idea is inherently impractical. It’s a form of magical thinking.

I ran a couple of errands for a Brisbane splinter group, Socialist Alternative. The Socialist Alliance ran for the Senate and were mostly deemed too mainstream.
There was an urbane lecturer who ran the meetings, which were really interesting and mostly respectful of differences in opinion, but who was prone to the type of magical thinking to which you allude.
I recognised the problem this sort of idealism presented a world that operates under realpolitik.
Thus began my second disillusionment, falling out of love with the likes of Chomsky, beating a hasty retreat from the antiwar.com crowd and landing me here.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:29:26am

re: #103 ausador

Kiss the tennis court goodbye…

But that would mean having to walk outside. If you’re going to do that, you might as well put the ballroom in any of the blocks around the area.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:30:23am

re: #99 freetoken

So, I’m not sure where he’d put a ballroom:

google.com

Any new structure will obscure the view of the old structure, which everyone thinks of as “The White House”.

Well, it’s been modified a number of times already.
Maybe he could go full Trump and…

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:35:54am

re: #106 FormerDirtDart

He’ll try to contact Albert Speer for some real classy blueprints via a medium a la Nancy Reagan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:37:43am

re: #107 100th Monkey

He’ll try to contact Albert Speer for some real classy blueprints via a medium a la Nancy Reagan.

Speer’s son Albert Jr. is still in the architecture business

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:38:10am

Maybe down by the west gate, south of the west wing, north of the tennis courts. Will have to redesign the roadway in that area. then could put in a small ballroom. Make a promenade along the driveway circle, that can close the top during rain, but open on good days, that goes from the House to the Trump Ballroom.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:39:16am

re: #106 FormerDirtDart

Well, it’s been modified a number of times already.
Maybe he could go full Trump and…

[Embedded content]

Here’s an overhead…

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:40:24am

The current East Room just isn’t YUUUUUUUUGE enough for Trump:

en.wikipedia.org

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:40:41am

re: #108 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I take it he ditched the ‘ruin value’ principle heh

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Cheechako  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:53:35am

re: #110 FormerDirtDart

Here’s an overhead…
Embedded Image

Needs a moat around the outside to keep out the common folks.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 1, 2016 • 12:57:32am

This is a bit long.
Tweets of more than 140 characters might have been helpful about now…

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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2016 • 1:03:32am
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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 1:03:57am

As noted in the earlier story, Trump’s Ballroom has been a thing of his for some time. Here’s a story from last August:

Donald Trump Thinks America Needs a Better Ballroom

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 1:06:26am

re: #114 FormerDirtDart

The occupation of Malheur is a microcosm of the conservative movement. The GOP co-opting the Tea Party and now wondering why its case of Trumpes won’t go away. Pretty familiar, no?

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2016 • 1:36:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 1, 2016 • 1:59:39am

re: #117 100th Monkey

The occupation of Maheur is a microcosm of the conservative movement. The GOP co-opting the Tea Party and now wondering why its case of Trumpes won’t go away. Pretty familiar, no?

The GOP had a chance to call out or at least distance themselves from the loudest, most extreme voices but were afraid of being shouted down at a town hall meeting.

That in effect handed the floor to the loonies and they have been calling the shots ever since.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 1, 2016 • 2:18:02am

As previously threatened, I have written a response to Lizzie Wade’s execrable piece about science and fringe science. It is paged littlegreenfootballs.com

Or you can jump directly to the source at my blog. wheatdogg.com

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 2:22:21am

Low oil prices, while good for the consumer and encouraging for those of us hoping to see Putin’s Russia off-balance, is affecting Iraq, whose desperate struggle against Daesh requires funding it is increasingly unable to find.

BAGHDAD — Iraqis seeking to withdraw money from banks are told there is not enough cash. Hospitals in Baghdad are falling back to the deprivation of the 1990s sanctions era, resterilizing, over and over, needles and other medical products meant for one-time use.
SNIP
Already there have been painful budget cuts. Across the country, the landscape is blighted by stalled construction projects — hospitals, schools, factories and a soccer stadium. The Health Ministry is proposing to charge fees for health care, essentially dismantling the free system established by the Baath Party in the 1970s.

Long story short, the Iraqi government is having to consider introducing something approaching a proper tax code and at the moment is proposing to make up the shortfall by selling bonds because the war is a priority.
It seems that there is going to be a similar conversation in Iraq, albeit a more pointed and culture-changing one, about entitlements that echo the austerity movement that has arisen worldwide since the GFC. Except here the affected nation is rent by sectarian difficulties as well.
The possibility of serious unrest is all too real even if the containment of Daesh could be assured.

More:
nyti.ms

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 2:30:27am

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Notice that in this particular instance of outright rebellion, the GOP, at least at the national level, has remained schtum on where they stand.
Whether that’s because it’s a case of once bitten, twice shy or a matter of turf, who can say?

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Sophist: Make America Grate Again  Feb 1, 2016 • 2:40:46am

re: #81 FormerDirtDart

Turns out a Finicum tribute page posted a fake common law grand jury document.

I’m pretty sure “fake common law grand jury document” is redundant.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 1, 2016 • 2:55:00am

re: #105 freetoken

But that would mean having to walk outside. If you’re going to do that, you might as well put the ballroom in any of the blocks around the area.

Or just across the street - no one important uses Lafayette Square.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:03:29am

Good morning Lizards. A touch of insomnia, or at least not being able to doze off again after waking up at 5am. Feeling better now due to a cup of fresh brewed coffee. (Got a pound of good beans for Xmas, so I opted to break out the drip brewer and ground some up yesterday. I need to go buy more filters.)

The kicker is that IF Trump gets elected I half-expect that he will attempt some sort of monster modification to the White House to stamp him name on it from the next century or so. And he’d probably be able to pull it off through a combination of initial use of his own funds (for the initial demolition and foundations - at which point he stops and the government eats the rest of the costs in order to avoid looking like idiots) and executive orders.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:40:34am

re: #125 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards. A touch of insomnia, or at least not being able to doze off again after waking up at 5am. Feeling better now due to a cup of fresh brewed coffee. (Got a pound of good beans for Xmas, so I opted to break out the drip brewer and ground some up yesterday. I need to go buy more filters.)

The kicker is that IF Trump gets elected I half-expect that he will attempt some sort of monster modification to the White House to stamp him name on it from the next century or so. And he’d probably be able to pull it off through a combination of initial use of his own funds (for the initial demolition and foundations - at which point he stops and the government eats the rest of the costs in order to avoid looking like idiots) and executive orders.

Because, we all know that a White House Rehab is what this country really needs!

/gah

Good Morning to you too! I went to bed too early and am now awake. Have a feeling I won’t be happy about it around noon.

about ready to make my second cuppa

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:41:05am

unverified quote

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:43:15am

re: #127 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

My Mum would like that heh

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:43:47am
I do not believe in using women in combat, because females are too fierce.
As quoted in Quote Unquote (1977) by Lloyd Cory, p. 364


wikiquote

I rather like this one:

Instead of needing lots of children, we need high-quality children.
Attributed to Mead in: Fleur L. Strand (1978) Physiology: a regulatory systems approach. p. 509

Of course, I’d change it to say —we need children who are wanted.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:44:35am

re: #128 100th Monkey

My Mum would like that heh

It rings true. We don’t take sides, we kibash all uproar.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:46:08am
We will be a better country when each religious group can trust its members to obey the dictates of their own religious faith without assistance from the legal structure of their country.
p. 71
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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:49:44am

re: #131 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Till then, to invert the Gipper’s old saw, ‘verify, then maybe give ‘em a bit of leeway.’

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:56:15am

This horseshit.
Return of Kings. Plus a shitty imbed of Roosh’s gangrenous pusbucketry.
Eww…

mobile.abc.net.au

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:05:18am

re: #13 CuriousLurker

Hey, CL, I saw a young woman wearing a T-shirt like this one yesterday, and wondered if you had ever seen them in the States.

And yes, she was wearing hijab. The sheer variety of hijab colors and patterns in Malaysia is astounding. I’ve seen a few — very few — women completely in black with only their eyes visible, but most wear hijab that cover only their hair and neck.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:28:59am

Donald Trump has risen to the top of the Republican popularity polls through a carefully designed campaign to appeal to the masses of the so-called “base”.

We will know in less than 24 hours how successful that will be in the Iowa caucuses, but it is clear that Trump reverberates with a large number of people.

But we must remember that the loudly proclaimed policies, for want of a word, of Trump are not novel. They are not new.

Trump chooses his topics based on how previously they have played out.

For example: Trump keeps talking about the Great Wall of China. Well, I don’t know how many of you remember, but there was a candidate 4 years ago who did also:

Cain’s Plan For Securing The Border: Build The Great Wall Of China, Fill A Moat With Alligators

Now, Cain was never really able to capitalize on his anti-immigrant stance, in part because of his other flaws.

But Trump knows how to separate out the value of a meme - “Great Wall of China” in this case - from a flawed messenger (Cain.)

So when Trump says the words “Great Wall of China”, his audience has already been prepped to accept those words as meaning something important to them. Cain was not the only one to use, while misunderstanding the history of, what we call the Great Wall of China.

The ground from which Trump is harvesting his popularity was already plowed and sown by those before him, from Richard Nixon to Ronald Reagan (to name two successful politicians) to Herman Cain (to name an unsuccessful one.)

Remember that on this first day of February.

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Teukka  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:30:23am

re: #133 100th Monkey

This horseshit.
Return of Kings. Plus a shitty imbed of Roosh’s gangrenous pusbucketry.
Eww…

mobile.abc.net.au

Lizards, is it time to order tables and barrels of Napalm again?

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:36:59am

re: #136 Teukka

Lizards, is it time to order tables and barrels of Napalm again?

I find it distinctly disturbing that, in a land that vilifies Muslims due to perceived ideas of female subjugation, such individuals might actually have their visas approved. Send those shitheels to our offshore detention centres.
Then your napalm will be much appreciated. Thank you.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:39:41am
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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:40:41am

re: #136 Teukka

I saw what happened in Stockholm too. Shitty situation. Mysogyny has to be stopped wherever it bubbles up; so too must xenophobia. New arrivals can be an asset.

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Teukka  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:41:22am

re: #137 100th Monkey

I find it distinctly disturbing that, in a land that vilifies Muslims due to perceived ideas of female subjugation, such individuals might actually have their visas approved. Send those shitheels to our offshore detention centres.
Then your napalm will be much appreciated. Thank you.

I suspect the ethnicity of the guy would be invoked to try to deflect things…
*SMFH*

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:42:45am

re: #136 Teukka

Lizards, is it time to order tables and barrels of Napalm again?

because testosterone just doesn’t seem to do the job?

geezus. Flat-earth and now this.

the Whackos are climbing out of the woodwork.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:44:56am

re: #122 100th Monkey

Notice that in this particular instance of outright rebellion, the GOP, at least at the national level, has remained schtum on where they stand.
Whether that’s because it’s a case of once bitten, twice shy or a matter of turf, who can say?

At first it was tactical, The GOP establishment tried to keep out of the shouting match, but they were steadily drawn into it so that the loudest shouter is now their leading candidate.

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:45:18am

re: #140 Teukka

I suspect the ethnicity of the guy would be invoked to try to deflect things…
*SMFH*

Better still, it’s glossed over completely. Rape culture doesn’t exist if you’re white so…

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:46:07am

bbl

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:47:33am

Back when “The Body” was a little less looney, even then The Great Wall of China was associated with anti-immigrant feelings:

I went to China on a trade mission, and climbed the Great Wall of Beijing. Which had sparked my contemplating the “great wall” that the US is planning to build between us and Mexico, as a supposed answer to illegal immigration. By the end of ‘08, about 670 miles are supposed to be completed along our southwestern border. Why is it we don’t see that if you don’t learn from history you’re destined to repeat it? The Great Wall of China did not work. The most formidable barrier ever built by mankind— and it failed! In 1644, the Chinese were overrun and now the Great Wall is nothing but a tourist attraction. At least their Great Wall is an architectural wonder that people built by hand, all day long, many of them living and dying there. So I hope they end up making our “great wall” tourist friendly. I tell Terry that, when it gets built, I’m gonna find where it’s on public land and I’m gonna cross it into Mexico, in protest. I don’t want my country to be East Berlin.
Source: Don`t Start the Revolution, by Jesse Ventura, p. 88 , Apr 1, 2008

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Teukka  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:48:00am

re: #143 100th Monkey

Better still, it’s glossed over completely. Rape culture doesn’t exist if you’re white so…

Yeah, forgot about that one, apparently only Rapefugees commit rape, not upstanding white christian citizens…

*fumes*

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:50:09am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I’m thinking back to 2009. Which came first, the Koch’s or the Birchers?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:51:40am

I wonder how many wingnuts are going to be upset about Google celebrating Karl Marx today.

(It’s not Karl Marx, it’s Frederick Douglass)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:51:51am

re: #147 100th Monkey

I’m thinking back to 2009. Which came first, the Koch’s or the Birchers?

JB society had been around for decades but was only associated with the fringe of the GOP. Tea party rhetoric helped make them appear mainstream.

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:58:29am

re: #146 Teukka

The problem is, as Sergey has pointed out, that the majority of people who come to Europe especially, come from cultures which have not moved as far from their patriarchal roots as has what is called commonly ‘the West’.
What is truly disturbing is that this allowed us to pinpoint the problem in the Other. Whereas the issue still lives in all of us. We can continue to ignore the elephant in the room if we have another form of the same rape culture in our midst.
It affords us the ability to defer action on our own problem.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:58:35am

Looks like the blizzard watch has turned into a blizzard warning:

Iowa Forecast 1 Feb 2016 as of 6:49AM

However, the snow in most places won’t start falling until after 8 or 9PM… but if it is preceded by freezing rain the travel will be dangerous. People will not want to stay late at a caucus.

For the Republicans that is not such a difficult thing as they can just do a single vote and go home. The Democratic party has a bit more arcane system and may come into play with the O’Malley supporters being lobbied hard by the Sanders supporters, to join their camp.

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:04:51am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I mean in the minds of the individuals afflicted. Pre-existing prejudice or political opportunism. It’d be a pretty hard dichotomy to parse, right? Especially considering how no one’s racist *but*…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:12:21am

re: #152 100th Monkey

I mean in the minds of the individuals afflicted. Pre-existing prejudice or political opportunism. It’d be a pretty hard dichotomy to parse, right? Especially considering how no one’s racist *but*…

Xenophobic racism was always there on the fringes, Kochs helped create an atmosphere in which it became mainstream.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:15:35am

I’m wondering what will happen tomorrow, the day after Iowa.

Part of me thinks the Republicans aren’t really going to be that affected by the caucus. In some way the die is cast, I think.

For Bernie, though, doing a one-two punch of Iowa and NH back to back might make him seem like a viable candidate. Otherwise, he’s toast.

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Alyosha  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:16:34am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Xenophobic racism was always there on the fringes, Kochs helped create an atmosphere in which it became mainstream.

Okay, yes. But how many were not comfortable being out and proud nativist till Trump?
So yeah, shit, youre right. Racism first.
Goddamn it, trust me to try and make it more complicated than that…
And after my last posts too…
Time I hit the rack.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:22:57am

re: #148 Pawn of the Oppressor

I wonder how many wingnuts are going to be upset about Google celebrating Karl Marx today.

(It’s not Karl Marx, it’s Frederick Douglass)

We should start a pool on whether the SMOTI falls for it.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:23:49am

RCP is showing three late polls for Iowa.

All have Trump winning, but tell different tales. Two obscure polls have Trump essentially tied with Cruz, while Qunnipiac latest has Cruz’s support collapsing and Rubio surging:

realclearpolitics.com

The Opinion Savvy poll has it as basically a 3 way tie:

If that is indeed how the GOP race turns out, score a big win for Rubio, The Boy Wonder.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:25:16am

Morning.

Wow. Did any of you happen to catch the NBC Today show “interview” with Sarah Palin?
Savannah Guthrie asked her about her blaming President Obama about her sons issues with PTSD and she went off.

She was pissed and said it was promised that they would not be asking about her son and the interview was all about Iowa caucuses. She said (not direct quotes) something about “gosh I guess the media isn’t honest” and then Matt Lauer said “There was no agreement” and Sarah said “well what did I say…do you have a quote?”

The wheels truly fell off that one!

It was great. God, I hate that woman.

They also did an interview with some Iowa Trump supporters. Almost to the person they said “He speaks for ordinary folks like me, he talks like me, etc.”

Help us! We need it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:31:59am

re: #151 freetoken

Looks like the blizzard watch has turned into a blizzard warning:

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However, the snow in most places won’t start falling until after 8 or 9PM… but if it is preceded by freezing rain the travel will be dangerous. People will not want to stay late at a caucus.

For the Republicans that is not such a difficult thing as they can just do a single vote and go home. The Democratic party has a bit more arcane system and may come into play with the O’Malley supporters being lobbied hard by the Sanders supporters, to join their camp.

My daughter lives in the magenta zone.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:33:33am

re: #159 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My daughter lives in the magenta zone.

Could turn into the red zone in the next day.

Blizzard - ack. It’s why I live in San Diego.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:36:31am

re: #160 freetoken

Could turn into the red zone in the next day.

Blizzard - ack. It’s why I live in San Diego.

Been there. Done that. Blizzards. Ice storms. I hope I have escaped them forever.

So far it’s true. It’s snowed twice in Hunan, China, since I left on my vacay to Malaysia. Nothing major, but that means it’s still cold outside and inside.

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sagehen  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:39:47am

re: #147 100th Monkey

I’m thinking back to 2009. Which came first, the Koch’s or the Birchers?

The Kochs’ father was a founding member of the Birchers, and active in it for the rest of his life. They were raised with this crap.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:18:20am

re: #162 sagehen

The Kochs’ father was a founding member of the Birchers, and active in it for the rest of his life. They were raised with this crap.

Yeah Birchers go way way way back.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:19:08am

re: #158 ObserverArt

Morning.

Wow. Did any of you happen to catch the NBC Today show “interview” with Sarah Palin?
Savannah Guthrie asked her about her blaming President Obama about her sons issues with PTSD and she went off.

She was pissed and said it was promised that they would not be asking about her son and the interview was all about Iowa caucuses. She said (not direct quotes) something about “gosh I guess the media isn’t honest” and then Matt Lauer said “There was no agreement” and Sarah said “well what did I say…do you have a quote?”

The wheels truly fell off that one!

It was great. God, I hate that woman.

They also did an interview with some Iowa Trump supporters. Almost to the person they said “He speaks for ordinary folks like me, he talks like me, etc.”

Help us! We need it.

Ordinary folks like her? Yeah keep on telling yourself that Sarah. She’s drawn to Trump because he’s a proud bigot like herself who has no concept of what’s right or wrong.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:33:51am

re: #158 ObserverArt

Morning.

Wow. Did any of you happen to catch the NBC Today show “interview” with Sarah Palin?
Savannah Guthrie asked her about her blaming President Obama about her sons issues with PTSD and she went off.

She was pissed and said it was promised that they would not be asking about her son and the interview was all about Iowa caucuses. She said (not direct quotes) something about “gosh I guess the media isn’t honest” and then Matt Lauer said “There was no agreement” and Sarah said “well what did I say…do you have a quote?”

The wheels truly fell off that one!

It was great. God, I hate that woman.

They also did an interview with some Iowa Trump supporters. Almost to the person they said “He speaks for ordinary folks like me, he talks like me, etc.”

Help us! We need it.

Every time I think we’ve reached peak Palin, she keeps raising the bar.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:34:36am

re: #23 ausador

Grease has always been problematic for me, I mean it is a fairy tale of sorts but the moral of the story? It seems to be to learn how to dress like a cheap whore and put out for your boyfriend.

I never understood why people think it’s appropriate for children. If I were to pick a “grown-up” movie to play for kids, it would be The Blues Brothers. A little cursing (nothing that can’t get blipped for the tv version) great cartoonish silliness (car crashes) and much better music.

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darthstar  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:38:55am

Mornin’ everyone. Welcome to the last day Iowa matters. By tomorrow, it will either be a sign the election is over or irrelevant, depending on who wins and who spins.

Speaking of which…was my Lions dig a low blow?

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darthstar  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:39:59am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:48:24am

Interesting article in the Wash Post this am by Dan Balz about the role of the Iowa caucuses (article may be pay-walled). One thing he noted was that the parties conduct the caucuses differently, with the GOP more or less doing it like a primary with secret ballots while the Dems vote publicly and engage in a process of trying to win over other voters.

Balz also pointed out that the Iowa caucuses usually put a premium on small, voter-to-voter retail politics, voters getting to know the candidate in more informal settings, like diners and such. But Trump has eschewed all that. He just flies in, speaks at a rally, and then jets off back home to Manhattan. It will be interesting to see if that approach succeeds in Iowa, although it looks like it will.

And it would be too bad if it did, because I think there is some value in having candidates go through this process. On the other hand, the state’s evangelical voters play such a central role on the GOP side that it ends up selecting candidates who don’t go on to win the nomination, and discourages many others from competing there.

It also turns out that the GOP has only featured the Iowa caucuses since 1980. The article didn’t say but I gather the Dems started in 1976 or perhaps 72.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:49:46am

Here is some more on the Palin Today Show “interview” that I was commenting on earlier. The link has video up. Must see video if you love watching a Palin train wreck.

New York Daily News - Sarah Palin flips out on ‘Today’ after questions about comments on son’s PTSD

Sarah Palin stopped by “Today” Monday to stump for her beloved Donald Trump in the Iowa caucus.

It did not end well.

The one-time vice presidential candidate flipped out on live TV as soon as the interview went off script — circling back to bizarre campaign trail comments she made about her son’s PTSD.

“You guys brought me here to talk about Iowa politics and the caucus tonight, not to talk about my kids!” she told “Today” hosts Matt Lauer and Savannah Guthrie.

“And that was a promise! But, as things go in the world of media, you guys don’t always keep your promises evidently.”

The anchors asked the gaffe-prone former Alaska governor about her son Track, an Army veteran who got busted for drunken domestic abuse the same day Palin endorsed The Donald for president.

Days after Track’s arrest, Palin placed the blame on President Obama — saying he doesn’t do enough to support struggling veterans.

“They come back wondering if there is that respect for what it is that their fellow soldiers and airman and every other member of the military so sacrificially have given to this country,” she declared at a Trump rally in Tulsa Jan. 21.

“And that starts at from the top. That comes from our President.”

Flash forward to Monday, and Palin suddenly couldn’t remember her remarks.

“I never blamed President Obama,” she told “Today.”

“What did I say that is offensive? … If you guys have a specific quote, it allows the media to be more credible if you guys will tell me exactly what you’re talking about, and then I can address that specific sentence.”

Lauer said the show made no promises about what would be discussed on air.

Before the interview went off the rails, Palin said she believes Trump will win the caucus.

She also brushed off a question about Trump’s religious devotion, saying she hopes voters “aren’t trying to find the most Christian-y, godliest candidate out there, because, you know, who are we to judge one another’s levels of faith — our Christian quotient, if you will.”

Trump has said he wouldn’t rule out Palin as his VP.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:52:27am

re: #170 ObserverArt

She also brushed off a question about Trump’s religious devotion, saying she hopes voters “aren’t trying to find the most Christian-y, godliest candidate out there, because, you know, who are we to judge one another’s levels of faith — our Christian quotient, if you will.”

So religious faith and Christian values are the most important things ever like Obama being Muslim, except for Trump no big deal. //

And after 8 years of being on the public stage Half Gov Palin still thinks she can dictate what questions the media is allowed to ask her, and that the media must “promise” her things. What a doof.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:55:04am

re: #170 ObserverArt

Here is some more on the Palin Today Show “interview” that I was commenting on earlier. The link has video up. Must see video if you love watching a Palin train wreck.

New York Daily News - Sarah Palin flips out on ‘Today’ after questions about comments on son’s PTSD

She just can’t bring herself to admit when she fucks up. It really shows what’s wrong with her. Sarah, you DID blame President Obama. In fact, you accused him of disrespecting veterans and you lied about your son being a combat veteran.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:56:17am

re: #171 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

So religious faith and Christian values are the most important things ever like Obama being Muslim, except for Trump no big deal. //

And after 8 years of being on the public stage Half Gov Palin still thinks she can dictate what questions the media is allowed to ask her, and that the media must “promise” her things. What a doof.

She thinks she can say all the fucked up shit she wants but no one is allowed to call her out on it. It’s unfortunately a trait she passed on to her kids because Bristol is whining about Fey mocking her mother. I mean I get that since Sarah’s her mother but Bristol needs to understand that her mother chooses to stay in the public spotlight and bitching about the media whether it’s the news or a comedy show is just weak sauce.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:57:37am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

She thinks she can say all the fucked up shit she wants but no one is allowed to call her out on it.

Yeah, that’s pretty much it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:58:32am

re: #174 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah, that’s pretty much it.

I’d like to thank McCain and his entire team for giving this nutcase credibility.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:02:43am

Some people are soon going to be feeling a different kind of ‘Bern’.

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danarchy  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:02:58am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

I’d like to thank McCain and his entire team for giving this nutcase credibility.

You should probably blame the voters of Alaska. Before John McCain made her his running mate there was already a lot of buzz in the republican party about how she was a rising star in the party.

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sagehen  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:03:35am

re: #170 ObserverArt

Here is some more on the Palin Today Show “interview” that I was commenting on earlier. The link has video up. Must see video if you love watching a Palin train wreck.

New York Daily News - Sarah Palin flips out on ‘Today’ after questions about comments on son’s PTSD

She also brushed off a question about Trump’s religious devotion, saying she hopes voters “aren’t trying to find the most Christian-y, godliest candidate out there, because, you know, who are we to judge one another’s levels of faith — our Christian quotient, if you will.”

Remind me again what Republicans have been saying about Obama’s faith?

//

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:03:57am

I have a feeling the Today show was well prepared to ask Palin the questions it asked and also expected it to go sideways. I get the feeling Matt Lauer was not impressed and in a way enjoyed exposing her the way they did.

It will be interesting to watch what all kinds of fall out this will create. Maybe Donald Lump will refuse to do anymore NBC shows. Hopefully Palin will NEVER do any more TV at all.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:04:26am

re: #177 danarchy

You should probably blame the voters of Alaska. Before John McCain made her his running mate there was already a lot of buzz in the republican party about how she was a rising star in the party.

Sure but McCain and his team ultimately made her his running mate. There’s been lots of people who have been talked about rising stars who never really get to the point where she has. If she hasn’t been nominated for VP, she wouldn’t have the legitimacy she convinces herself she has.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:05:05am

re: #176 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Some people are soon going to be feeling a different kind of ‘Bern’.

Facebook’s gonna be interesting tonight either way.

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darthstar  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:05:56am
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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:09:04am

re: #181 HappyWarrior

Facebook’s gonna be interesting tonight either way.

It was interesting to watch them turn on Nate Silver over the past few weeks.
/UNSKEW THE POLLS!11lkrh

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:11:51am

I was really convinced that the Christian Right was going to look askance at Trump’s background of earning money from gambling, boozing and whoremongering, but that does not seem to bother a large share of the electorate.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:13:38am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I was really convinced that the Christian Right was going to look askance at Trump’s background of earning money from gambling, boozing and whoremongering, but that does not seem to bother a large share of the electorate.

Didn’t bother Jerry Falwell, Jr. I thought so too. This has been such a strange election.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:14:45am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Didn’t bother Jerry Falwell, Jr. I thought so too. This has been such a strange election.

All we need now are some demon sheep being thrown into the Potomac River.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:15:37am

re: #186 Not a Sparkly Vampire

All we need now are some demon sheep being thrown into the Potomac River.

Ha. Yep.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:18:23am

On the Dem front, I think that the fact that Sanders is essentially tied with HRC in Iowa is a pretty big deal. Sanders will probably win in his neighboring NH, perhaps by a lot. After that he is likely to have more trouble as the contests move South and involve multiple states on the same day. But I don’t think there was anything inevitable about Bernie’s rise in these early states or even that he would win NH. If anything, O’Malley should have been HRC’s main competitor, if there was one.

So it’s already been a highly unusual campaign on both sides (not that Sanders is like Trump, etc). Obviously I think it reflects more impassioned and involved party bases, as well as a discontent with more established, polished candidates.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:19:05am

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:19:28am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I was really convinced that the Christian Right was going to look askance at Trump’s background of earning money from gambling, boozing and whoremongering, but that does not seem to bother a large share of the electorate.

No, Trump will fight for ‘Merry Christmas’ and that’s all that matters.

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steve_davis  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:19:59am

re: #18 ausador

This shit right here is why people are growing to despise Bernie’s supporters.

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I don’t exactly despise Bernie supporters. After all, many of them are Facebook friends. But they have that air of purity troll triumphalism that does make me want to tear their hair out.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:22:53am

Brian Kilmeade is just awesome.
/xD

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:24:31am

re: #188 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Tonight will be interesting to see. I saw data showing the results of polling for two different types of groups: Random calling of people in Iowa, and calling of registered caucus voters. The first group shows them tied, the second shows Clinton ahead. We’ll find out tonight which polls indicate actual support.

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sagehen  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:24:59am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I was really convinced that the Christian Right was going to look askance at Trump’s background of earning money from gambling, boozing and whoremongering, but that does not seem to bother a large share of the electorate.

They’re also not concerned about two divorces, obviously lack of familiarity with scripture (2 Corinthians) or how a church service works (trying to put money in the communion plate), or the super-skimpy charitable donations (less than 1%. Which is apparently a big deal for Cruz, but not for the Trumpster).

IOKIYAR

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:25:10am

re: #192 Not a Sparkly Vampire

During a segment called “Dooce On The Loose,” host Steve Doocy

Bring on the meteor.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:25:12am

re: #192 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Brian Kilmeade is just awesome.
/xD

Creepy.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:25:55am

So, the Czech Republic is getting what I’m pretty sure is one of its first biographical dramas about a notorious Czech mass murderer. Namely, Olga Hepnarová.

Here’s the trailer for the film; Já, Olga Hepnarová - it’s in Czech. There’s a brief monologue there spoken by the actress who plays Ms. Hepnarová (Michalina Olszanska) - it’s from a letter she sent to a couple of newspapers before she committed her crime; they didn’t receive the letter until two days after her crime. It reads in English:

“I am a loner. A destroyed woman. A woman destroyed by people… I have a choice - to kill myself or to kill others. I choose TO AVENGE MYSELF UPON MY HATERS. It would be too easy to leave this world as an unknown suicide. The society is too indifferent, rightly so. My verdict is: I, Olga Hepnarová, the victim of your bestiality, sentence you to death.”

The trailer is in a spoiler tag, as it has some brief nudity and thus, probably NSFW.

Click to Reveal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdhR1Kai1tk

en.wikipedia.org

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:25:57am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

Creepy.

He ain’t the Dumbest Man on TV for nothing!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:26:29am

re: #194 sagehen

They’re also not concerned about two divorces, obviously lack of familiarity with scripture (2 Corinthians) or how a church service works (trying to put money in the communion plate), or the super-skimpy charitable donations (less than 1%. Which is apparently a big deal for Cruz, but not for the Trumpster).

IOKIYAR

But he enjoys his little wine and his little cracker and it makes him feel righteous, even though he has never sinned anyway.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:26:43am

re: #198 Not a Sparkly Vampire

He ain’t the Dumbest Man on TV for nothing!

Tough competition there but he’s a meathead for sure.

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Jenner7  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:46:39am

Good morning, Lizards.

6 inches of snow, with fierce winds. Took me 30 minutes to take hubby to train station, which usually takes 5 minutes to get there.

I’m ready for spring now…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:48:51am

re: #201 Jenner7

Good morning, Lizards.

6 inches of snow, with fierce winds. Took me 30 minutes to take hubby to train station, which usually takes 5 minutes to get there.

I’m ready for spring now…

Weird weather in Germany, temps in the upper 50’s, windy and rainy. Not wintry at all.

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:51:07am

re: #201 Jenner7

74 Saturday, 72 Sunday, and supposed to be 74 today. I would like some winter before spring.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:51:53am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Weird weather in Germany, temps in the upper 50’s, windy and rainy. Not wintry at all.

Pretty similar here. Temp’s in the upper 40’s, though. Unusually mild for this time of year. Freakishly so. Yesterday, it was close to 50; I was able to dry clothes on the balcony.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:55:13am

Didn’t we get two feet of snow last weekend? It’s almost all gone.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:56:02am

re: #205 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Didn’t we get two feet of snow last weekend? It’s almost all gone.

Here in Maryland it’s still piled up in places, narrowing lanes, etc. A real nuisance.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:56:31am

re: #204 Dr Lizardo

Pretty similar here. Temp’s in the upper 40’s, though. Unusually mild for this time of year. Freakishly so. Yesterday, it was close to 50; I was able to dry clothes on the balcony.

Germany has annexed your weather!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:02:17am

Good news: I got 2 jobs.
Bad news: neither of them start until March
Actually it gives me a chance to brush up and youtube a bunch of stuff so I’m not a total idiot on day 1.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:13:33am

re: #206 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Here in Maryland it’s still piled up in places, narrowing lanes, etc. A real nuisance.

Yeah it’s gotten warmer here in NOVA but snow’s going to be here for a while.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:15:16am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s gotten warmer here in NOVA but snow’s going to be here for a while.

The localities have apparently decided that no more plowing is needed and that the excess snow will eventually melt. Grrrrr.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:17:48am

re: #210 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The localities have apparently decided that no more plowing is needed and that the excess snow will eventually melt. Grrrrr.

Agh.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:20:19am

re: #157 freetoken

RCP is showing three late polls for Iowa.

All have Trump winning, but tell different tales. Two obscure polls have Trump essentially tied with Cruz, while Qunnipiac latest has Cruz’s support collapsing and Rubio surging:

realclearpolitics.com

The Opinion Savvy poll has it as basically a 3 way tie:

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If that is indeed how the GOP race turns out, score a big win for Rubio, The Boy Wonder.

I hate having to pull for Rubio in the contest :-)

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withak  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:21:11am

At what point will we be seeing actual, tangible results from Iowa?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:21:27am

re: #212 Eventual Carrion

I hate having to pull for Rubio in the contest :-)

It really is fucked up that he’s seen as a moderate.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:21:44am

re: #213 withak

At what point will we be seeing actual, tangible results from Iowa?

Not sure. I imagine the evening though.

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sagehen  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:21:56am

re: #210 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The localities have apparently decided that no more plowing is needed and that the excess snow will eventually melt. Grrrrr.

Can I brag about my town?

The day after the snow it was all piled up on the side of the road; when it was warmer the next day, the plows came through four times and shaved off a few inches of the pile on each pass to spread on the street so it could melt quicker.

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sagehen  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:22:35am

re: #213 withak

At what point will we be seeing actual, tangible results from Iowa?

Around midnight EST.

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:24:30am

re: #213 withak

At what point will we be seeing actual, tangible results from Iowa?

During your next great corn dog experience? …with ketchup.

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withak  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:24:49am

I’ve resisted schadenfreude re: the snow situation on the East Coast so far, given how these storms have smacked around that area of the country a lot worse than the Midwest in recent years, but hearing you guys complain about excess snow that won’t go away is testing my limits.

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:35:04am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. All the warm weather over the past week has done wonders to melt a lot of the snow away, and the warm weather through this week should end up melting most of the rest of it (plus having a strong rainstorm on Wednesday will help - though that brings its own challenges of possible flooding).

Today also marks when rubber meets the road. Until now, we’ve all been dealing in the abstract with polls and candidates who are trying to play up advantages/disadvantages. Today, Iowa goes to caucus. And we’ll see just how much support Trump really has to work with, and how much of that was just noise and fury (though the hate, anger, and suffering his supporters are more than willing to inflict is real and those voters/supporters are those that the rest of the GOP wants to court as well).

On the Democrat side, we’ll see Hillary and Bernie trade blows, though I don’t think Bernie’s going to pull out an Obama-level upset. He may will states here and there, but he’s facing an uphill battle against Hillary - and that’s even with the email kerfuffle lingering in the background.

I can’t wait for talking heads to try and divine some hidden meaning from Iowa, which is disproportionately white and looks nothing like the rest of the nation demographically.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:36:10am

re: #220 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. All the warm weather over the past week has done wonders to melt a lot of the snow away, and the warm weather through this week should end up melting most of the rest of it (plus having a strong rainstorm on Wednesday will help - though that brings its own challenges of possible flooding).

Today also marks when rubber meets the road. Until now, we’ve all been dealing in the abstract with polls and candidates who are trying to play up advantages/disadvantages. Today, Iowa goes to caucus. And we’ll see just how much support Trump really has to work with, and how much of that was just noise and fury (though the hate, anger, and suffering his supporters are more than willing to inflict is real and those voters/supporters are those that the rest of the GOP wants to court as well).

On the Democrat side, we’ll see Hillary and Bernie trade blows, though I don’t think Bernie’s going to pull out an Obama-level upset. He may will states here and there, but he’s facing an uphill battle against Hillary - and that’s even with the email kerfuffle lingering in the background.

I can’t wait for talking heads to try and divine some hidden meaning from Iowa, which is disproportionately white and looks nothing like the rest of the nation demographically.

New Hampshire has the same problem demographics wise. That really doesn’t mean much in the Republican primaries but it does in the Democratic ones.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:42:05am

Good morning lizarati

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withak  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:44:20am

re: #222 De Kolta Chair

Why does Trump never button his goddamn suit? That and his super-long ties have the opposite effect of what he’s going for.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:44:26am

re: #65 100th Monkey

Weather in the case of turnout in Iowa is pretty important. If I recall correctly, much of Trump’s support comes from those whose engagement in previous primary elections is spotty to nonexistent. Does anyone see many first time-caucus-goers actually brave the elements just to embarrass themselves with a Trump vote? Possibly. They’re a vocal lot but are they that motivated?
I reckon Cruz will win; though as it’s been pointed out numerous times, Iowa isn’t much of a bellweather and however it turns out, some clown is getting a minor boost.

Really getting toey about this inevitable Trumpsplosion getting under way…

From your lips to God’s ears. “Trump comes in 3rd as his supporters stay home” would be the Best Iowa Caucus Headline Ever.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:46:09am

LOL I’m pretty sure that taking a photo of your ballot on your phone is illegal

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:48:05am

re: #223 withak

Why does Trump never button his goddamn suit? That and his super-long ties have the opposite effect of what he’s going for.

He’s speaking to the masses everywhere who want to wear their beer guts proud.

/

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:50:08am

re: #223 withak

Why does Trump never button his goddamn suit? That and his super-long ties have the opposite effect of what he’s going for.

Yeah, what’s up with those super-long ties anyway? Gut covering?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:52:51am

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

LOL I’m pretty sure that taking a photo of your ballot on your phone is illegal

It’s not illegal if Trump.

/

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withak  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:52:52am

re: #227 De Kolta Chair

Yeah, I think that’s the idea; cover that gut with a tie. It doesn’t work, Donald.

He’d do himself a favor if he’d just wear a normal-length tie and button up, but that presumes a properly-fitted suit, which is probably asking too much for Trump.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:53:22am

USA Today headline: “It’s about to get real: What you need to know about the Iowa caucuses”

The USA Today style book has an odd definition of what’s real or not.

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:53:27am

Cruz sending out email/mail blast with bogus claims in the hopes of “shaming” people into coming out to caucus.

journal.ijreview.com

Cruz continues scraping the bottom of the barrel, so expect Trump to follow suit with something equally disingenuous.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:55:57am

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

LOL I’m pretty sure that taking a photo of your ballot on your phone is illegal

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So, someone associated with a Republican candidate for President is saying they know the Bush v Gore election results in Florida were funky due to funny business with the ballots.

NO SHIT!

Show you’re work…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:56:42am

good grief

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danarchy  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:57:46am

re: #229 withak

Yeah, I think that’s the idea; cover that gut with a tie. It doesn’t work, Donald.

He’d do himself a favor if he’d just wear a normal-length tie and button up, but that presumes a properly-fitted suit, which is probably asking too much for Trump.

Geez, if he was a woman would everyone be paying so much attention to what he is wearing!

//

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 1, 2016 • 8:58:09am

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

Was Finicum from NM?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:00:57am

re: #235 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Was Finicum from NM?

Arizona

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calochortus  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:01:09am

re: #227 De Kolta Chair

Yeah, what’s up with those super-long ties anyway? Gut covering?

Phallic symbol.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:01:18am

re: #232 ObserverArt

So, someone associated with a Republican candidate for President is saying they know the Bush v Gore election results in Florida were funky due to funny business with the ballots.

NO SHIT!

Show you’re work…

That doesn’t say anything beyond Trump’s antipathy towards Jeb Bush, since Jeb was governor of Florida at the time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:01:36am

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Federal bureaucrats? You mean people like you Steve. Really it’s so fucking pathetic to see people who are a big part of the federal government bitching about the federal government. If you hate the feds so much Steve, please forfeit your salary and benefits.

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KingKenrod  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:02:36am

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

[Embedded content]

I hear a lot of whining about BLM abuses, never hear about actual abuses. It seems to me the BLM wants to manage the land and won’t let locals exploit it, that’s the conflict.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:03:58am

re: #195 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Bring on the meteor.

With that name, couldn’t they have shortened it to just “ShitStorm”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:06:52am

Ammon is shopping around for another judge

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:08:42am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Federal bureaucrats? You mean people like you Steve. Really it’s so fucking pathetic to see people who are a big part of the federal government bitching about the federal government. If you hate the feds so much Steve, please forfeit your salary and benefits.

I will quibble with the highlighted bit. Federal legislators and federal bureaucrats are from different branches of the government. The legislators write the laws that the bureaucrats interpret.

And, the bureaucrats are constrained by the laws that the legislators write. And, the money that they are given by the legislature.

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sagehen  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:09:43am

re: #232 ObserverArt

So, someone associated with a Republican candidate for President is saying they know the Bush v Gore election results in Florida were funky due to funny business with the ballots.

NO SHIT!

Show you’re work…

The butterfly ballots didn’t result in Bush votes, they were accidental Buchanan votes. And Jeb had nothing to do with that, his sins were during the recount mishegas.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:10:05am

re: #243 Le Lapin Tueur

I will quibble with the highlighted bit. Federal legislators and federal bureaucrats are from different branches of the government. The legislators write the laws that the bureaucrats interpret.

And, the bureaucrats are constrained by the laws that the legislators write. And, the money that they are given by the legislature.

True enough. I am just tired of legislators like Pearce and that one GOP asshole who gave a National Park ranger a hard time during the shutdown. You’re right. People like Pearce make the laws. The bureaucrats just implement the laws.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:10:55am

re: #244 sagehen

The butterfly ballots didn’t result in Bush votes, they were accidental Buchanan votes. And Jeb had nothing to do with that, his sins were during the recount mishegas.

Jews for Buchanan sigh. Even Pat knew there was no way Palm Beach Jews were voting for him over Gore. But yeah that wasn’t Jeb’s doing. That was man I forget the lady’s name. Theresa something.

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mmmirele  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:11:52am

re: #66 FormerDirtDart

I wouldn’t think conducting a “trial” would be a felony.
Now, attempting to carry out any sentence prescribed by said extralegal court, now that would be an other thing.

There is “simulating a legal process,” which is a felony in a lot of states. A sovereign citizen named Terry Trussell was indicted on ~10 charges of same in Florida after he tried to take his position as head of a (real!) county grand jury and turn it into a “common law grand jury.” He attempted to file a raft of fake indictments on the part of his “common law grand jury” over Common Core. His trial, which was supposed to start today, has been pushed back to the first week of June.

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Jenner7  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:12:58am

Hahahahahaha!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:13:03am

re: #220 lawhawk

I can’t wait for talking heads to try and divine some hidden meaning from Iowa, which is disproportionately white and looks nothing like the rest of the nation demographically.

It looks like a pig

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:13:25am

re: #243 Le Lapin Tueur

I will quibble with the highlighted bit. Federal legislators and federal bureaucrats are from different branches of the government. The legislators write the laws that the bureaucrats interpret.

And, the bureaucrats are constrained by the laws that the legislators write. And, the money that they are given by the legislature.

I would change the word interpret to execute. Interpretation and application together equal execution, which I think describes it a bit better.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:13:41am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Jews for Buchanan sigh. Even Pat knew there was no way Palm Beach Jews were voting for him over Gore. But yeah that wasn’t Jeb’s doing. That was man I forget the lady’s name. Theresa something.

I forget her name too, I just remember it was Palm Beach County and that the flawed butterfly ballot was designed by Democrats. So in Palm Beach County Al Gore was hoist by his own party’s petard (though there’s no evidence that the ballot’s designers acted with bad intent).

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:13:41am

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

That doesn’t say anything beyond Trump’s antipathy towards Jeb Bush, since Jeb was governor of Florida at the time.

Funny how that all came down to Florida where, yes, Jeb was Govenor at the time.

What a coincidence, eh?

Why that whole Florida purging of voter records prior to the election, and then the botching of recounts, then having Bush’s Attorney General, Kathleen Harris, just call it on her own only to have the Florida Supreme Court call it all into question, then have the results stand due to the Supreme Court saying time was up was pure as the driven snow.

*cough…bullshit…cough*

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:13:44am

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

Actually Pat Buchanan got all those Al Gore votes if I remember correctly. It was the “Jews for Buchanan” that messed everything up.

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:14:30am

re: #247 mmmirele

That still sounds different. The guy you’re talking about tried to subvert a valid legal setting. Sitting around saying people are guilty of something isn’t itself illegal. Heck, we do that here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:15:02am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:15:02am

Kathryn Harris?

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:15:11am

re: #250 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I would change the word interpret to execute. Interpretation and application together equal execution, which I think describes it a bit better.

Fair enough.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:17:05am

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

I forget her name too, I just remember it was Palm Beach County and that the flawed butterfly ballot was designed by Democrats. So in Palm Beach County Al Gore was hoist by his own party’s petard (though there’s no evidence that the ballot’s designers acted with bad intent).

Sure there were other problems too. Not just in PBC. Jeb and Catherine Harris aren’t getting a total pass from me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:17:51am

re: #256 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Kathryn Harris?

Katharine Harris was the Florida SoS. She used the notoriety she got into a couple of terms in Congress then she made a run for the Senate against Bill Nelson who is pretty popular in Florida and that was that thankfluly.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:17:54am

re: #244 sagehen

The butterfly ballots didn’t result in Bush votes, they were accidental Buchanan votes. And Jeb had nothing to do with that, his sins were during the recount mishegas.

I know (I think) I was just commenting that the whole Florida 2000 election was in question. Thus my “no shit” comment.

To me the whole thing was a mess and it shouldn’t have been so. Like in my last comment, the voting record purging may well have been a big difference in the election.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:18:35am

re: #252 ObserverArt

Funny how that all came down to Florida where, yes, Jeb was Govenor at the time.

What a coincidence, eh?

Why that whole Florida purging of voter records prior to the election, and then the botching of recounts, then having Bush’s Attorney General, Kathleen Harris, just call it on her own only to have the Florida Supreme Court call it all into question, then have the results stand due to the Supreme Court saying time was up was pure as the driven snow.

*cough…bullshit…cough*

A lot of racial discrimination too. A real shameful chapter in our nation’s history.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:19:50am

I remember hearing a story that the Palm Beach County official that designed the infamous Butterfly ballot had switched from being a Republican not long before the election but I’m not sure. My memory could be off there but there was a lot of fucked up business in Jeb’s Florida. What’s done is done but I do believe it was rigged. I also believe Gore screwed himself a lot in that election too. I’m mistaken- she was an independent.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:20:53am

With regard to people thinking the Earth is flat:

imgur.com

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:21:27am

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

that the flawed butterfly ballot was designed by Democrats

Source?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:22:57am

re: #264 Eric The Fruit Bat

Source?

en.wikipedia.org
It’s Theresa LePore.

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sagehen  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:23:20am

re: #260 ObserverArt

To me the whole thing was a mess and it shouldn’t have been so. Like in my last comment, the voting record purging may well have been provably was a big difference in the election.

8000 black voters were improperly purged from the rolls. Assuming half of them would have voted (black turnout is usually more than that) and 80% of black voters would have gone Gore (90% did)… that’s a 2400 vote swing. Bush’s actual win was by 537. A number with some poetic resonance, under the circumstances.

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japa21  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:23:52am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Her name was Theresa LePore. She registered as a Democrat in 1996 to run for office. I also thought she had been a Republican before that but checking, there is no record of that.

In an interesting side note, the same type of ballot was also used in 1996 and reportedly cost Bob Dole about 14,000 votes, but since it didn’t matter, nothing was made of it. That should have served as a warning however when preparing for the 2000 election.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:24:55am

re: #267 japa21

Her name was Theresa LePore. She registered as a Democrat in 1996 to run for office. I also thought she had been a Republican before that but checking, there is no record of that.

In an interesting side note, the same type of ballot was also used in 1996 and reportedly cost Bob Dole about 14,000 votes, but since it didn’t matter, nothing was made of it. That should have served as a warning however when preparing for the 2000 election.

Yeah I was mistaken about the Republican part. I had never heard about what happened in 1996 before looking her name up. Agh shit just makes you frustrated thinking about it but as I said what’s done is done. Can’t dwell.

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bratwurst  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:26:40am

Just heard Congressman Steve King hoping for light turnout tonight in order to help his candidate, Ted Cruz.

I am pulling for Hillary tonight and I am aware that high turnout will likely help Bernie. Even so, I hope EVERYBODY shows up to make their voice heard.

It is hard to imagine something more un-American than cheering for low voter participation…except, of course, INSURING low voter participation.

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japa21  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:27:13am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

I agree, we can’t dwell, but we can attempt to learn. Americans do a horrible job of the learning part, though.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:27:53am

re: #270 japa21

I agree, we can’t dwell, but we can attempt to learn. Americans do a horrible job of the learning part, though.

Of course. That’s why we have to be wary of Republican anti “voter fraud” efforts.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:28:22am

re: #269 bratwurst

Just heard Congressman Steve King hoping for light turnout tonight in order to help his candidate, Ted Cruz.

I am pulling for Hillary tonight and I am aware that high turnout will likely help Bernie. Even so, I hope EVERYBODY shows up to make their voice heard.

It is hard to imagine something more un-American than cheering for low voter participation…except, of course, INSURING low voter participation.

High turn out is good for everyone because it means people are interested.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:35:18am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:35:34am

Anyhow, prediction time. I say Cruz and Clinton.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:37:42am

re: #14 freetoken

Sounds like the opening scene of a disaster movie:

WOMAN’S BODY DISCOVERED WITH TWO LIVE MONKEYS INSIDE FLORIDA HOTEL ROOM

I need to call my Dad. North Port is just a couple of miles up the road from where he lives in Florida. And yes, that whole movie opener was the first thing I thought of too.

RBS

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:38:37am

Trump by a hair. Cruz in 2d. Rubio a distant 3d. Everyone else falls into an asterisk, with Jeb falling so far back that he’s behind even Paul.

Clinton by at least 5 point margin (which will be overanalyzed as though it’s a sign of weakness on her part).

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WhatEVs  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:39:01am

re: #223 withak

Why does Trump never button his goddamn suit? That and his super-long ties have the opposite effect of what he’s going for.

If you look at Trump from the neck down, he looks like Mike Huckabee. Which is which?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:39:59am

re: #276 lawhawk

Trump by a hair. Cruz in 2d. Rubio a distant 3d. Everyone else falls into an asterisk, with Jeb falling so far back that he’s behind even Paul.

Clinton by at least 5 point margin (which will be overanalyzed as though it’s a sign of weakness on her part).

I think Cruz’s RR credits give him the edge but we agree with the other order.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:41:12am

re: #277 WhatEVs

If you look at Trump from the neck down, he looks like Mike Huckabee. Which is which?

Embedded Image

Trump Left. Huckleberrybee Right.

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withak  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:43:13am

re: #279 ObserverArt

Trump Left. Huckleberrybee Right.

I’m going to go with the opposite guess.

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:43:49am

re: #280 withak

I’m going to go with the opposite guess.

moi aussi

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Mentis Fugit  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:44:58am

re: #192 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Brian Kilmeade is just awesome.
/xD

He tried to make a Dad Joke, and failed. Wow, talk about a low bar.

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makeitstop  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:45:08am

re: #279 ObserverArt

Trump Left. Huckleberrybee Right.

I’m with you.

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WhatEVs  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:47:59am

re: #279 ObserverArt

Trump Left. Huckleberrybee Right.

Incorrect.

re: #280 withak

I’m going to go with the opposite guess.

Yup. Huck left, Trump right.

See? Hard to tell the difference. That’s why Trump dresses as he does. He’s kind of a fatty (I *am* a fatty so I don’t feel shitty saying this) and he is trying to hide it by the long tie and open jacket.

It’s like we’re not supposed to wear horizontal stripes (I do anyway, but it’s the point, man, the point! :-)

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:49:00am

re: #284 WhatEVs

That speckled tie was my cue.

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:49:18am
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withak  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:50:09am

re: #285 Kragar

That speckled tie was my cue.

That and Trump prefers solid-color ties, usually red.

It’s disturbing that I’ve taken notice of this.

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b_sharp  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:52:31am

re: #284 WhatEVs

Incorrect.

Yup. Huck left, Trump right.

See? Hard to tell the difference. That’s why Trump dresses as he does. He’s kind of a fatty (I *am* a fatty so I don’t feel shitty saying this) and he is trying to hide it by the long tie and open jacket.

It’s like we’re not supposed to wear horizontal stripes (I do anyway, but it’s the point, man, the point! :-)

I wear my ties long, not so I can hide my beer belly, but so I can wipe off my dick when I use the urinal.

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:54:23am

re: #287 withak

I’m pretty sure Trump buys the “red tie means you’re assertive” line.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:55:34am

re: #285 Kragar

That speckled tie was my cue.

Trump doesn’t wear patterned ties.

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:55:49am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

I think Cruz’s RR credits give him the edge but we agree with the other order.

It could be Trump / Cruz or Cruz / Trump, but in either case, it’s going to be razor thin.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:57:17am

So. That 13 year old girl in Germany that was raped by Arab/Turkish immigrants? Well. She made the whole thing up. But this won’t change the minds of all those racists and bigots that protested.

cnn.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:57:24am

re: #291 lawhawk

It could be Trump / Cruz or Cruz / Trump, but in either case, it’s going to be razor thin.

Yep. Agreed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 1, 2016 • 9:57:50am

re: #277 WhatEVs

If you look at Trump from the neck down, he looks like Mike Huckabee. Which is which?

Embedded Image

Huck is on the left.

PS I guessed before scrolling down for answer

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:00:19am

Heh

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:01:07am

re: #295 De Kolta Chair

Heh

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Wrong 50’s. GOP candidates debate with 1750’s values.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:01:27am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:03:02am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone probably told him she’s an anchor baby…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:04:26am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You’d cry too if it happened to you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:04:47am

A plane crashed and triggered a fire at a small, suburban Houston airport Monday, according to authorities.

The plane crashed at Southwest Regional Airport in Arcola, Texas, and burst into flames, setting hangars ablaze, according to a tweet from the Fort Bend County Sheriff’s Office posted at about 11 a.m. local time.

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Lidane  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:06:19am
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:07:15am

¿Qué?

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Jenner7  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:08:40am

Whaaa?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:10:58am

re: #303 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

Whaaa?

Well the odds would say there would be at least one but Jesus.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:12:45am

re: #303 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

Whaaa?

Maybe he was just pissed at being woken up from his nap to answer the door for a political solicitor.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:13:06am

re: #303 Jenner7

One extreme to the other…

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:13:10am

re: #303 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

Whaaa?

I’m voting for that screaming guy from back east

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:14:37am

re: #306 Eclectic Cyborg

One extreme to the other…

Trump is trying to destroy the big banks, just like Bernie, but Trump is doing it through all of his bankruptcies.

//

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wrenchwench  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:14:38am

re: #303 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

Whaaa?

His support is wide, but not deep. Oh, wait. It’s not wide, either.

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:15:25am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:15:42am

re: #306 Eclectic Cyborg

One extreme to the other…

Happens a lot actually.

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:16:40am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Happens a lot actually.

It must be tough being a moron.

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:17:35am

re: #310 Kragar

I wonder why that never disqualifies men? You have to be ambitious to want to be president.

Edit: OK. I can’t see any pictures, and just found out where the link came from.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:18:57am

re: #313 Belafon

I wonder why that never disqualifies men? You have to be ambitious to want to be president.

The Onion psst.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:20:21am

How is it that this guy doesn’t have his own prime time cable news show?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:21:40am

re: #315 De Kolta Chair

How is it that this guy doesn’t have his own prime time cable news show?

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I don’t know. Sounds brilliant.

/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:23:27am

re: #312 b.d.

It must be tough being a moron.

Indeed. I think it’s a mindset thing. Extreme leftists become extreme rightists and vice versa. Some of the most obnoxious lefties I know are former right wingers. The convert’s zeal I think has secular application not just religions.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:23:30am

re: #316 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I don’t know. Sounds brilliant.

/

He puts the dit in pundit.

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makeitstop  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:24:43am

re: #315 De Kolta Chair

How is it that this guy doesn’t have his own prime time cable news show?

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Wow, he covered everything. Look out, Nate!
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Kragar  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:25:07am

Greenwald defending CMP

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WhatEVs  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:26:43am

re: #313 Belafon

I wonder why that never disqualifies men? You have to be ambitious to want to be president.

Edit: OK. I can’t see any pictures, and just found out where the link came from.

Yeah, but remember, those stories make the most impact for having some truth in them. There are a lot of people who think that way.

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:27:02am

re: #320 Kragar

Greenwald defending CMP

So, I guess Greenwald doesn’t know about ABC vs. Food Lion.

I remember, as a kid, watching the special ABC did after the SCOTUS ruling in that case.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:27:45am

re: #320 Kragar

Greenwald defending CMP

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Greenwald again shows what a pathetic hack he is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:28:30am

re: #313 Belafon

I wonder why that never disqualifies men? You have to be ambitious to want to be president.

Edit: OK. I can’t see any pictures, and just found out where the link came from.

I was also about to take it seriously: it is from the onion

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gwangung  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:28:36am

re: #320 Kragar

Greenwald defending CMP

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Um. Given falsifying IDs is ALREADY criminal, this strikes me as a very stupid comment.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:28:47am

This sign earns all the chickens…

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wrenchwench  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:30:54am

I’ve been there!

North Carolina A&T students at the lunch counter Photograph by John G. Moebes, reprinted with permission of the News & Record, Greensboro, NC

The F.W. Woolworth Building on South Elm Street (the Northeast Shopping Center) is part of the Downtown Greensboro Historic District. The building currently houses the International Civil Rights Center and Museum. Museum hours are 10am to 6pm Tuesday-Saturday and 1pm to 5pm on Sundays. The museum is closed Mondays and major holidays. For more information, visit the museum’s website.

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No Country For Old Haters  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:33:07am

re: #295 De Kolta Chair

Heh

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:36:23am

re: #327 wrenchwench

I’ve been there!

[Embedded image] North Carolina A&T students at the lunch counter Photograph by John G. Moebes, reprinted with permission of the News & Record, Greensboro, NC

And this is the picture I would like to show to Sanders and ask him how his economics-solves-problems message would solve this.

Edited.

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No Country For Old Haters  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:37:05am

re: #320 Kragar

Greenwald defending CMP

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 1, 2016 • 10:47:07am

re: #328 No Country For Old Haters

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The GOP was much more liberal in the 1950’s.

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451_Montag  Feb 1, 2016 • 11:10:24am

re: #288 b_sharp

I wear my ties long, not so I can hide my beer belly, but so I can wipe off my dick when I use the urinal.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who does that.

:)

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 1, 2016 • 11:20:35am

re: #331 The Vicious Babushka

I love this meme that you twitted and have twitted before.

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retired cynic  Feb 1, 2016 • 11:47:38am

re: #99 freetoken

So, I’m not sure where he’d put a ballroom:

google.com

Any new structure will obscure the view of the old structure, which everyone thinks of as “The White House”.

At the University of Illinois, they needed to expand the library a LOT, but nobody wanted to disturb the historic quad. So they put it underground.

Good grief, what I _really_ hope is that Trump gets shipped home!


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