Part Two of Samantha Bee’s Awesome (And Frightening) History of the Religious Right

Featuring Frank Schaeffer
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A little while ago we posted Part One of Samantha Bee’s History of the Religious Right, but Part Two is even better. This features religious right apostate Frank Schaeffer, son of the late Calvinist preacher Francis Schaeffer, talking about his part in the genesis of the anti-choice movement.

And a bonus: here’s the web-only full interview with Frank Schaeffer.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2016 • 6:06:56pm

Referring to this: motherjones.com

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2016 • 6:07:48pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Referring to this: motherjones.com

People who think Clinton has a shouting problem should listen to Trump and Bernie.

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Targetpractice  May 29, 2016 • 6:13:15pm

“Trump’s so forceful and commanding!”
“Bernie gets people’s attention and shows the anger we feel!”
“WHY CAN’T HILLARY STOP BEING SO SHOUTY AND SCREECHY?!”

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2016 • 6:15:35pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2016 • 6:20:00pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

People who think Clinton has a shouting problem should listen to Trump and Bernie.

Donald has a nasal, whining problem, OK? I mean, just listen to him! It’s like a cat scratching on a chalkboard, OK?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2016 • 6:23:04pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Is Pepe a Berniebro thing or something?

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Shiplord Kirel  May 29, 2016 • 6:23:13pm

If Trump has his ass handed to him in November, as I devoutly hope and believe he will, the hard-core theocrats will pretty much have the Republican party to themselves. This is because the automatic response to an electoral debacle will be to whine that Trump was not a “true conservative.” Theocrats will cite his multiple divorces, foul language, and numerous sin-based enterprises as evidence. They wii demand, and probably get, a literal “come to Jesus” moment from the GOP.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2016 • 6:26:58pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

Is Pepe a Berniebro thing or something?

It’s an alt-right/4chan thing.

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BeenHereAwhile  May 29, 2016 • 6:33:46pm

On topic:

Have read Frank Shaeffer for a couple of years, but had never been exposed to his public speaking ability until watching this video a couple of days ago.

He obviously was very effective at preaching to the evangelicals as a young man.

Would love to see a debate between Shaeffer and Franklin Graham.

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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2016 • 6:42:47pm

Bernie Bros comparing Sanders to Jesus.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2016 • 6:48:35pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

Is Pepe a Berniebro thing or something?

It’s an alt-right neo-nazi thing.

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thedopefishlives  May 29, 2016 • 6:51:13pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

knowyourmeme.com

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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2016 • 6:54:49pm

re: #12 thedopefishlives

knowyourmeme.com

Pepe has been co-opted as a symbol for the alt-right.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2016 • 6:56:26pm
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thedopefishlives  May 29, 2016 • 7:01:02pm

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

Pepe has been co-opted as a symbol for the alt-right.

Yeah, I thought that was on the page. At least, the 4chan origins were covered, which should be enough for anybody.

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No Depression  May 29, 2016 • 7:03:12pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

Bernie Bros comparing Sanders to Jesus.

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Bernie’s Prayer

Our comrade from Vermont,
Hallowed be your name.
Your revolution come,
Your will be done,
Fuck that corporate whore Hillary.
Give us this day our daily Bern,
and forgive our student debt,
as we tweet against the establishment.
And lead us not into neoliberalism
but deliver us from Wall Street.
#FeelTheBern

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2016 • 7:05:31pm
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Belafon  May 29, 2016 • 7:06:34pm

re: #17 gocart mozart

For too many people, you’re just articulating exactly what they’ve been feeling.

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thedopefishlives  May 29, 2016 • 7:09:55pm

re: #16 No Depression

For Thine is the primaries, and the caucuses, and the nomination, no matter what the actual votes say. Amen.

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jaunte  May 29, 2016 • 7:11:24pm
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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2016 • 7:16:44pm
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Teukka  May 29, 2016 • 7:19:08pm

Reposted from last thread:

Charles, your RSS/Atom feed generator has a missing ‘>’ in the closing <category> tag for each <item>, it wreaks havoc with viewing the feed in Firefox and Thunderbird NOPE’s it too.
I just noticed it when I realized I hadn’t received any LGF pages in TB for ages.

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thedopefishlives  May 29, 2016 • 7:20:41pm

Ugh. I was enjoying a relatively clean FB feed today, then this happened.

DERRRRRRP
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Teukka  May 29, 2016 • 7:25:15pm

re: #22 Teukka

Reposted from last thread:

Charles, your RSS/Atom feed generator has a missing ‘>’ in the closing <category> tag for each <item>, it wreaks havoc with viewing the feed in Firefox and Thunderbird NOPE’s it too.
I just noticed it when I realized I hadn’t received any LGF pages in TB for ages.

Seems to be resolved now. Thanks.

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Belafon  May 29, 2016 • 7:26:08pm

re: #23 thedopefishlives

Ugh. I was enjoying a relatively clean FB feed today, then this happened.

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President Kennedy put troops in Vietnam. And the majority of Americans didn’t think that being taxed was the worse thing that could happen to them.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2016 • 7:27:01pm

re: #25 Belafon

President Kennedy put troops in Vietnam. And the majority of Americans didn’t think that being taxed was the worse thing that could happen to them.

JFK started that whole “tax cuts for the rich” thing IIRC

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2016 • 7:27:15pm
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A Cranky One  May 29, 2016 • 7:27:40pm

Haven’t seen many political signs in folks yards so far, but one neighborhood house did have a Cruz sign in the front yard. Shortly after it appeared, a Hillary sign appeared on the other side of the yard. I’ll bet there were some interesting dinner conversations at that house. <grin>

Driving by today, I noticed that the Cruz sign has disappeared, and only the Hillary sign remains. Heh.

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thedopefishlives  May 29, 2016 • 7:30:24pm

re: #28 A Cranky One

Haven’t seen many political signs in folks yards so far, but one neighborhood house did have a Cruz sign in the front yard. Shortly after it appeared, a Hillary sign appeared on the other side of the yard. I’ll bet there were some interesting dinner conversations at that house. <grin>

Driving by today, I noticed that the Cruz sign has disappeared, and only the Hillary sign remains. Heh.

Someone got put in the doghouse.

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plansbandc  May 29, 2016 • 7:34:44pm

The guy who had the “I’m with Ben” sticker on his car peeled it off. :D

There is a big ole Trump sign on a house in my neighborhood. I find it utterly vile.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2016 • 7:35:02pm
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thedopefishlives  May 29, 2016 • 7:35:14pm

re: #30 plansbandc

The guy who had the “I’m with Ben” sticker on his car peeled it off. :D

There is a big ole Trump sign on a house in my neighborhood. I find it utterly vile.

Hope the guy with the Ben sticker didn’t fall asleep at the wheel.

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Teukka  May 29, 2016 • 7:36:24pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

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Yep. Won’t end well, most likely with the background fighting amongst themselves.

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A Cranky One  May 29, 2016 • 7:37:11pm

re: #29 thedopefishlives

Someone got put in the doghouse.

Probably right. I suspect we’ll know if no Trump sign appears where the Cruz sign used to be. ;-)

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Reality Based Steve  May 29, 2016 • 7:43:04pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

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Where’s The Monarch? You KNOW The Monarch would be a YUGE Trump fan.

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nines09  May 29, 2016 • 7:43:05pm

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nines09  May 29, 2016 • 7:50:32pm
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Reality Based Steve  May 29, 2016 • 7:56:40pm

Wanna buy an entire town…. sure you do. Now you’ve got a chance, the GSA is auctioning off an installation in VA that was once used by the NSA. It’s so remote that apparently cell phones don’t reach very well.

The U.S. General Services Administration is pleased to announce the sale of the Sugar Grove Station, 133 Hedrick Drive, Sugar Grove, WV.

Ideal for a corporate training center, a university or academic campus, a spa/clinic, movie studio, or mountain resort, Sugar Grove Station is a wonderfully maintained, practically self-sustaining community nestled in the West Virginia mountains. On its 122.85+/- acre grounds it boasts:

80 single-family homes, many with carports, on lovely tree-lined streets.
A beautiful 3-story, 45,424 sf building which contains 53 small suites which can accommodate up to 105 residents, an industrial kitchen, a dining room, a laundry room, and several lounge areas.
A 20,000 SF public works building , with a loading dock/receiving space, maintenance offices, even a gymnasium!
A six-bay/nine sleeping room/kitchen/lounge area/classroom/control center-equipped fire station.
A lovely modern day care/youth activity center located near the residential area.
A community center, with fireplace, configured to function as a restaurant/club with a bar area. A covered picnic pavilion is adjacent.
Recreational opportunities abound with large playground, swimming and kiddie-pool with changing rooms, basketball, tennis, racquetball courts, running track, football/soccer field, baseball field and great fishing opportunities on the South Fork River!
This and much more comprise this wonderful fenced community.

You can view the auction HERE. Bidding starts at 1 Million Dollars.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 29, 2016 • 7:57:30pm

re: #35 Reality Based Steve

And what about Sideshow Bob?

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calochortus  May 29, 2016 • 7:59:32pm

re: #35 Reality Based Steve

Where’s The Monarch? You KNOW The Monarch would be a YUGE Trump fan.

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I dunno. Even The Monarch has more sense than that.

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2016 • 8:01:12pm

re: #39 Eric The Fruit Bat

And what about Sideshow Bob?

Too busy trying to escape from a field of rakes.

Giphy

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2016 • 8:04:05pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  May 29, 2016 • 8:04:22pm

re: #17 gocart mozart

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Teukka  May 29, 2016 • 8:05:16pm

re: #38 Reality Based Steve

Wanna buy an entire town…. sure you do. Now you’ve got a chance, the GSA is auctioning off an installation in VA that was once used by the NSA. It’s so remote that apparently cell phones don’t reach very well.

You can view the auction HERE. Bidding starts at 1 Million Dollars.

Man, if I had $1m… I’d probably not buy this installation, but one closer to home, but in the same price range…

But yeah, I wonder how many have toyed with the idea of running a small town or island micronation?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2016 • 8:09:07pm

re: #39 Eric The Fruit Bat

And what about Sideshow Bob?

Sideshow Bob’s Laugh

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Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2016 • 8:10:19pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

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Objection on 4 of those characters:

Thanos: If Thanos found the demeanor of Ronan the Accuser juvenile in Guardians of the Galaxy, I cannot see him approving of the behavior of Donald Trump.

Dr. Hannibal Lecter: Given Dr. Lecter’s impeccable sense of culture and manners and his disgust with rudeness, he would find Donald Trump repulsive and would only get near Trump as prelude to ruining, killing, and eating him. Trump steaks for real.

Tal Sinestro: Sinestro would approve of Trump’s use of fear, but would not favor his disorderliness. Still, in the unlikely event a member of the Trump family was given a yellow ring by Parallex, Sinestro would likely work hard to make them a member of his Yellow Lantern Corps.

The Dalek: This one is easy: “Making America Great Again” implies increasing America’s strength relative to the Daleks. This makes Donald Trump a threat to the Daleks, therefore “EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!”.

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Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2016 • 8:11:59pm

re: #39 Eric The Fruit Bat

And what about Sideshow Bob?

Same type of objection as Hannibal Lecter: The cultured and polite Sideshow Bob would be rather offput by Trump’s boisterous rudeness.

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whitebeach  May 29, 2016 • 8:12:02pm

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

Groovy. So who are you voting for?

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2016 • 8:13:05pm

re: #48 whitebeach

Groovy. So who are you voting for?

He’s voting for Donald Trump.

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Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2016 • 8:13:32pm

re: #48 whitebeach

Groovy. So who are you voting for?

I don’t intend to cast a presidential vote this year.

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Jay C  May 29, 2016 • 8:14:26pm

re: #38 Reality Based Steve

Wanna buy an entire town…. sure you do. Now you’ve got a chance, the GSA is auctioning off an installation in VA that was once used by the NSA. It’s so remote that apparently cell phones don’t reach very well.

You can view the auction HERE. Bidding starts at 1 Million Dollars.

So IOW, for the price of a dinky 1-bedroom or large studio apartment in Manhattan, you can buy what amounts to an entire housing development - with hotel and spa?
Cool. Though looking at the GSA site indicates you’ll also need aboutat least $450-500K in maintenance costs. Just like Manhattan! Though probably without the good delis and Chinese takeout….

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Joe Bacon  May 29, 2016 • 8:17:15pm

Today I took a long stroll around the Hancock Park area of Los Angeles. It’s an affluent area of the city that generally has a bunch of lawn signs popping up a couple weeks before the Primary election. 4 years ago the most signs I saw for President were for Ron Paul with only 1 Romney sign and several Obama signs.

This year I see absolutely NO lawn signs for Trump. Hell, I have only seen a couple Trump bumper stickers. They’re very few and far between. I see a lot of Hillary lawn signs and Bernie bumper stickers. Now what is really amazing is that I’m seeing lawn signs for Gary Johnson on the Libertarian ticket, more than I saw for Ron Paul 4 years ago. It’s starting to make me wonder if “moderate” Republicans are ready to cast protest votes for Johnson…

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Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2016 • 8:18:32pm
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Black d20  May 29, 2016 • 8:19:07pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

A part of me wants to believe you, but the other parts knows you utterly despise Hill’s (and the Dem Party’s) stance on firearms and that seems to be your One Big Issue. If it’s enough for you to go Trump if he plays directly into your desires remains to be seen.

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whitebeach  May 29, 2016 • 8:19:26pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

I don’t intend to cast a presidential vote this year.

Oh? Why not?

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2016 • 8:20:13pm
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Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2016 • 8:20:25pm

re: #52 Joe Bacon

Today I took a long stroll around the Hancock Park area of Los Angeles. It’s an affluent area of the city that generally has a bunch of lawn signs popping up a couple weeks before the Primary election. 4 years ago the most signs I saw for President were for Ron Paul with only 1 Romney sign and several Obama signs.

This year I see absolutely NO lawn signs for Trump. Hell, I have only seen a couple Trump bumper stickers. They’re very few and far between. I see a lot of Hillary lawn signs and Bernie bumper stickers. Now what is really amazing is that I’m seeing lawn signs for Gary Johnson on the Libertarian ticket, more than I saw for Ron Paul 4 years ago. It’s starting to make me wonder if “moderate” Republicans are ready to cast protest votes for Johnson…

There were Trump signs, and they were the Best Lawn Signs Ever, but they were stolen by the Criminal Supporters of Crooked Hillary.

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Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2016 • 8:21:14pm

re: #55 whitebeach

Oh? Why not?

Because I find the both of major party candidates repulsive.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2016 • 8:21:46pm
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Bass Reeves  May 29, 2016 • 8:21:50pm

re: #38 Reality Based Steve

So like…no Galt’s Gulch jokes?

Also, I don’t care who Dark votes for as long he realizes that Thanos, who exterminated half the life in the universe with a snap of his fingers, would not approve of Trump.

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Dark_Falcon  May 29, 2016 • 8:23:31pm

re: #60 Bass Reeves

So like…no Galt’s Gulch jokes?

Also, I don’t care who Dark votes for as long he realizes that Thanos, who exterminated half the life in the universe with a snap of his fingers, would not approve of Trump.

And I made clear I do understand that.

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whitebeach  May 29, 2016 • 8:24:03pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Because I find the both of major party candidates repulsive.

Has this stopped you before, or is it a new thing?

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Joe Bacon  May 29, 2016 • 8:24:06pm

We’re going to see what happens with the Libertarians now that they nominated Gary Johnson for President and William Weld, the ex-Massachusetts Governor for Vice President. Based on all those Johnson signs I’m seeing I’m wondering if this ticket will have the potential of breaking the 5% barrier. If it does, I wonder how many more GOP states it may put in the column for Hillary?

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FormerDirtDart  May 29, 2016 • 8:25:24pm

re: #63 Joe Bacon

We’re going to see what happens with the Libertarians now that they nominated Gary Johnson for President and William Weld, the ex-Massachusetts Governor for Vice President. Based on all those Johnson signs I’m seeing I’m wondering if this ticket will have the potential of breaking the 5% barrier. If it does, I wonder how many more GOP states it may put in the column for Hillary?

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Belafon  May 29, 2016 • 8:31:33pm

totallyobjectivepoliticalfacts.org

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calochortus  May 29, 2016 • 8:32:50pm

re: #63 Joe Bacon

We’re going to see what happens with the Libertarians now that they nominated Gary Johnson for President and William Weld, the ex-Massachusetts Governor for Vice President. Based on all those Johnson signs I’m seeing I’m wondering if this ticket will have the potential of breaking the 5% barrier. If it does, I wonder how many more GOP states it may put in the column for Hillary?

I still don’t understand why the Libertarians held their convention before the primaries have all occurred. I know it doesn’t really matter-we aren’t going to have a Libertarian president, but it seems odd.

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Bass Reeves  May 29, 2016 • 8:34:22pm

Dark,

Serious question, have you looked at the libertarian party platform? I personally disagree with it based on like..history, and the government’s role in protecting the civil liberties of minorities and the working class, but based on what you may see as your major issues, what do you think? They are a bit isolationist when it comes to foreign policy, but Gary Johnson’s platform statement sounds as legit as Hillary’s.

**edit**
3.5 Rights and Discrimination

Libertarians embrace the concept that all people are born with certain inherent rights. We reject the idea that a natural right can ever impose an obligation upon others to fulfill that “right.” We condemn bigotry as irrational and repugnant. Government should neither deny nor abridge any individual’s human right based upon sex, wealth, ethnicity, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual orientation. Members of private organizations retain their rights to set whatever standards of association they deem appropriate, and individuals are free to respond with ostracism, boycotts and other free market solutions. Parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their children according to their own standards and beliefs. This statement shall not be construed to condone child abuse or neglect.

I’m against this part of it, I think it’s absurdly naive and allows all manner of injustices against minorities (race, gender, creed). That’s a huge issue for me, but I’m not a WASP.

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Reality Based Steve  May 29, 2016 • 8:34:44pm

re: #63 Joe Bacon

We’re going to see what happens with the Libertarians now that they nominated Gary Johnson for President and William Weld, the ex-Massachusetts Governor for Vice President. Based on all those Johnson signs I’m seeing I’m wondering if this ticket will have the potential of breaking the 5% barrier. If it does, I wonder how many more GOP states it may put in the column for Hillary?

The Koch brothers reportedly hate Trump with a passion. If they were to put their resources into supporting Johnson, especially in some key battleground states, it will have a significant effect.

RBS

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2016 • 8:40:07pm
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Reality Based Steve  May 29, 2016 • 8:43:13pm

I’m off to bed. Going to go to the shop for a couple of hours tomorrow, and then just relax the rest of the day.

Have a good one.

RBS

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  May 29, 2016 • 8:48:17pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

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Nah, The Joker hated Nazis.

Even the clown prince of crime has standards
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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2016 • 9:18:03pm
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Romantic Heretic  May 29, 2016 • 9:20:42pm

re: #38 Reality Based Steve

Wanna buy an entire town…. sure you do. Now you’ve got a chance, the GSA is auctioning off an installation in VA that was once used by the NSA. It’s so remote that apparently cell phones don’t reach very well.

You can view the auction HERE. Bidding starts at 1 Million Dollars.

That’s about the cost of a single family home in Toronto.

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Kragar  May 29, 2016 • 9:24:56pm
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gocart mozart  May 29, 2016 • 10:23:20pm
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gocart mozart  May 29, 2016 • 10:28:03pm

re: #74 Kragar
You’re being to nice on him, here is the actual transcript

STERN: Now getting back to dating, and when you got to say to a woman, you gotta go to my personal doctor and I’m gonna have you checked out, is that a tough thing to say to a woman?
TRUMP: It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it. I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world. It is a dangerous world out there. It’s like Vietnam, sort of.
STERN: Hey it’s your personal Vietnam isn’t it?
TRUMP: It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier!
STERN: A lot of guys who went through Vietnam came out unscathed. A lot of guys going through the 80’s having sex with different women came out with AIDS and all kinds of things.
TRUMP: This is better than Vietnam, but it’s uh… it’s more fun.
STERN: A little better, but every v****a is a landmine, haven’t we both said that in private?
TRUMP: [intense laughter] I think it is a potential landmine. There’s some real danger there.
STERN: When you go to a bar, do you ever go with a fleet of doctors and have them check all the women, and then party with the uninfected?
TRUMP: [laughter] The few! You mean the few uninfected!
…
TRUMP: You have to have a roving doctor, his office has to be in your briefcase. He has to be your best friend. He has to go with you at all times. He has to do onsite tests. [laughter] redstate.com

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Swift2991  May 29, 2016 • 10:31:24pm

Face it, should have been Samantha Bee that got the Daily Show gig. Seriously. The kid is okay, he has a future, but she knocks it out of the park all the time.

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2016 • 10:35:00pm

Pretty damn close to an exact quote.

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freetoken  May 29, 2016 • 10:35:35pm

re: #74 Kragar

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Belafon  May 29, 2016 • 10:36:17pm

re: #77 Swift2991

Face it, should have been Samantha Bee that got the Daily Show gig. Seriously. The kid is okay, he has a future, but she knocks it out of the park all the time.

Would she have done as well in the Daily Show’s format?

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Dave In Austin  May 29, 2016 • 10:49:19pm
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Mattand  May 29, 2016 • 10:50:20pm

Repulsive.

One is a bigoted, misogynist, spoiled billionaire who has done nothing but fail upward his entire life, and is now leading the GOP by appealing to their inner Klansman.

The other is a woman who has served as a US Senator and Secretaty of State, in addition to being the object of multiple failed GOP scapegoatings for over a quarter century.

But both are repulsive.

Heh.

Whatever. Any Republican staying home this November is a win IMHO.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 29, 2016 • 10:58:34pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

I don’t intend to cast a presidential vote this year.

In doing so, you renounce all right to bitch about the outcome and still be taken seriously.

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Lancelot Link  May 29, 2016 • 11:12:58pm

re: #80 Belafon

It’s easier to be good once a week than to be good every day.

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FormerDirtDart  May 29, 2016 • 11:21:34pm

Seriously doubt you would catch Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Reince Priebus doing such at their respective party conventions…

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TedStriker  May 29, 2016 • 11:23:07pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart

Seriously doubt you would catch Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Reince Priebus doing such at their respective party conventions…

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Also notice that huge Iron Cross on his arm.

Things that make ya go “Hmmm…”

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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2016 • 11:42:39pm
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teleskiguy  May 29, 2016 • 11:47:31pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 30, 2016 • 12:10:33am
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Ming5000  May 30, 2016 • 2:32:57am

The Frank Schaeffer video is a powerful 5 minutes. I would love to be in a group of people sitting around after a good meal and having Frank as part of the conversation.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 3:28:26am

re: #30 plansbandc

The guy who had the “I’m with Ben” sticker on his car peeled it off. :D

There is a big ole Trump sign on a house in my neighborhood. I find it utterly vile.

For a while, our whole county was flooded with Dr. Ben Carson stickers. It would seem they all disappeared on the same day.

Off-topic: Pimping my diary over at Daily Kos. Our Memorial Day Remembrance here in my little town devolved into a political speech of conservaderp. Fortunately, I am a nice guy, or I would have [redacted] and then [redacted] and put the speech in his [redacted].
dailykos.com

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Dave In Austin  May 30, 2016 • 3:45:12am
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Ming5000  May 30, 2016 • 3:59:13am

LOL.. Just heard downpage, (may not be exact quote) “….as Barney Franks has said, ‘I can read it for you , but I cannot understand it for you.’” Have not heard that one before.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 4:00:17am

re: #92 Dave In Austin

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I like how Trump acts like every decision regarding the WH is by Obama personally. I guarantee this was the Secret Service. Oh and by the way Donald, you kiss the NRA’s ass on guns yet restrict guns from your businesses, hmmmm!

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 4:02:02am

re: #82 Mattand

Repulsive.

One is a bigoted, misogynist, spoiled billionaire who has done nothing but fail upward his entire life, and is now leading the GOP by appealing to their inner Klansman.

The other is a woman who has served as a US Senator and Secretaty of State, in addition to being the object of multiple failed GOP scapegoatings for over a quarter century.

But both are repulsive.

Heh.

Whatever. Any Republican staying home this November is a win IMHO.

Yeah I’m sorry but I don’t expect everyone to like Clinton but she doesn’t equal Trump at all.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 4:05:33am

Disappointed to see my very best friend posting stupid right wing memes bemoaning why Obama never mentions Muslim slaveowners, well Muslims didn’t comprise the slaveowners in this country, no one talks about pagan slaveowners either in regards to American slavery and while it’s true very few Americans owned slaves, the wealth of the country was built on slavery’s back. The White House, Capitol, and so much was built by slave labor.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 4:15:21am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

The slave trade was President Obama’s fault.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 4:18:05am

re: #97 Anymouse

The slave trade was President Obama’s fault.

Ha! Seriously though, people just don’t understand what the slave trade did. It didn’t just benefit slaveowners.

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Ming5000  May 30, 2016 • 4:18:42am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Why doesn’t Obama say anything about windmills killing eagles? //

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 4:22:22am

re: #99 Ming5000

Why doesn’t Obama say anything about windmills killing eagles? //

Why doesn’t Obama say anything about Muslim babies pooping in the pool!

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Shiplord Kirel  May 30, 2016 • 4:22:32am

These assholes are so headed for FEMA camp:
National Enquirer: Hillary Clinton Caught With Lesbian Lovers (freeper re-post)

Hillary Clinton repeatedly used unsecured phones to contact four of her lesbian lovers — sparking a bombshell scandal that could doom her bid for the White House, The National ENQUIRER has learned in a blockbuster world exclusive! “It is my understanding that Hillary was careless — very careless,” spilled one top Beltway insider. “What she wants to do in her own bedroom is her own business. But she didn’t take the necessary steps to keep her romps with other women secret, and now it’s going to explode in front of every American voter!”

Quite aside from the very dubious veracity of the report, the Inquisitor apparently assumes that Hillary was supposed to use only SECURED phones to arrange these assignations. Huh? Attention, Inquisitarians, actual secured phones are government property and are supposed to be used only for government business. It would be a scandal, albeit a very minor one, if Hillary did use one for this alleged purpose.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 4:24:48am

re: #101 Shiplord Kirel

These assholes are so headed for FEMA camp:National Enquirer: Hillary Clinton Caught With Lesbian Lovers (freeper re-post)

Quite aside from the very dubious veracity of the report, the Inquisitor apparently assumes that Hillary was supposed to use only SECURED phones to arrange these assignations. Huh? Attention, Inquisitarians, actual secured phones are government property and are supposed to be used only for government business. It would be a scandal, albeit a very minor one, if Hillary did use one for this alleged purpose.

All this crap while the Republican nominee has tape of him bragging about his escapades. FWIW I don’t think nor do I care if Clinton is a lesbian.

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Ming5000  May 30, 2016 • 4:27:19am

Say, the early hours at LGF have rarely been so been to tantalizing.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 4:30:12am

According to wingnuts, President Obama promised us FEMA re-education camps. Darn it, Mr. President, what’s taking so long? /s

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Ming5000  May 30, 2016 • 5:13:45am

re: #104 Anymouse

According to wingnuts, President Obama promised us FEMA re-education camps. Darn it, Mr. President, what’s taking so long? /s

Sometimes the “/” symbol makes me laugh even more, because… it wasn’t obvious.
hehehe

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2016 • 5:21:50am

Sun shining this morning in the Backwoods, but it was a very bumpy night in the Ohio River Valley.
We got almost two inches of rain in a couple of hours here on the farm, other places got as much as four inches.
I called in my first rain total report just after 1 a.m. and five minutes later the NWS issued a flash flood warning.
Damage reports are still coming in, including a bridge washed out on the Ohio side of the river.

I am exhausted. Gonna head back to bed for a short nap.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 5:23:22am

re: #105 Ming5000

Sometimes the “/” symbol makes me laugh even more, because… it wasn’t obvious.
hehehe

Yeah, but you never know who might take that seriously.

“Next on InfoWars, Little Green Footballs calls for FEMA camps for conservatives! I read it right there, liberals are out to round us up!!!one!!11eleventy-uno!!1111!1!”

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jeffreyw  May 30, 2016 • 5:53:56am

Imgur
Good morning!

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PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 6:25:04am

Mostly cloudy in Philly today. There is supposed to be some thunderstorms and heavy rain later today. And a hearty thank you to all of the men and women who served this nation.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 30, 2016 • 6:54:22am

re: #109 PhillyPretzel

Mostly cloudy in Philly today. There is supposed to be some thunderstorms and heavy rain later today. And a hearty thank you to all of the men and women who served this nation.

Those storms hit here in western New York state yesterday. Lots of rain and a flash flood watch for about five hours. It’s very nice out this morning.

Relatively quiet and a good time to contemplate the holiday.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 30, 2016 • 6:55:43am

ChickenHawk Donny cannot wait to send other people to war, to die for him==>

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 30, 2016 • 7:01:55am

Morning flower show. (From around the yard here and from a hike the other day.)

Saved the forget-me-nots for last
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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 7:17:06am

re: #109 PhillyPretzel

Mostly cloudy in Philly today. There is supposed to be some thunderstorms and heavy rain later today. And a hearty thank you to all of the men and women who served this nation.

Beautiful morning in the Nebraska Panhandle.

I was out at dawn lowering the flags in the village park, and hoisting (then placing at half staff) the flags at the Village Hall.

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Eventual Carrion  May 30, 2016 • 7:18:35am

re: #113 Anymouse

Beautiful morning in the Nebraska Panhandle.

I was out at dawn lowering the flags in the village park, and hoisting (then placing at half staff) the flags at the Village Hall.

Great morning here in NW PA. Just got back from the parade in town. Short but sweet.

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sagehen  May 30, 2016 • 7:25:30am

re: #67 Bass Reeves

I’m against this part of it, I think it’s absurdly naive and allows all manner of injustices against minorities (race, gender, creed). That’s a huge issue for me, but I’m not a WASP.

The Libertarian view on Civil Rights is that since Jim Crow was a matter of State law, those States were in the wrong. But that if States had stayed out of it, free market forces would have allowed hotels and restaurants and theaters who *wanted* black customers to win market share from hotels and restaurants and theaters who didn’t.

Such theory, of course, being based on imagining that 1965 people had the same attitudes as 2016 people and would react to such free market choices the same way that 2016 people would, despite their having been raised with 1940’s-1950’s mindsets. It’s a naiveté based on obliviousness rather than hostility.

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lawhawk  May 30, 2016 • 7:28:56am
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sagehen  May 30, 2016 • 7:31:14am

re: #77 Swift2991

Face it, should have been Samantha Bee that got the Daily Show gig. Seriously. The kid is okay, he has a future, but she knocks it out of the park all the time.

They offered it to her, but she’d already cut the deal with TBS for both her show and her and her husband’s sitcom (“The Detour”).

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The Vicious Babushka  May 30, 2016 • 7:31:52am

Baby Whiplash, Fucking Idiot==>

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Snarknado!  May 30, 2016 • 7:32:41am

re: #115 sagehen

The Libertarian view on Civil Rights is that since Jim Crow was a matter of State law, those States were in the wrong. But that if States had stayed out of it, free market forces would have allowed hotels and restaurants and theaters who *wanted* black customers to win market share from hotels and restaurants and theaters who didn’t.

Such theory, of course, being based on imagining that 1965 people had the same attitudes as 2016 people and would react to such free market choices the same way that 2016 people would, despite their having been raised with 1940’s-1950’s mindsets. It’s a naiveté based on obliviousness rather than hostility.

I don’t see much reason to imagine that people today, given the opportunity to discriminate, would allow the “free market” to win. And the businesses that *wanted* black customers would be likely to lose their white customers in that kind of market.
The Libertarian view that market forces can overcome bigotry is simply wrong.

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lawhawk  May 30, 2016 • 7:33:05am

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

I’ve taken to calling him #ChickenLittleFingerTrump because if the name fits…

He, like many other GOPers are quick to surround themselves with flags and service members in uniforms, but the GOP record (and Trump’s record) is littered with denial and avoidance of anything having to do with actually caring for service members once they’ve separated. The VA has long been a mess, and the struggles continue even to this day.

There’s a need for not only more VA funding, but mental health services, job placement services, and increased wages for service members who are still in the service.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 30, 2016 • 7:34:53am
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PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 7:36:12am

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

Since it is going to rain today I put my little flag in the window.

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allegro  May 30, 2016 • 7:37:33am

My dog stopped and tried to pee on a little flag this morning. (I didn’t let him.) That count?

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Joe Bacon  May 30, 2016 • 7:37:34am

The next time anyone tells you that The Libertarian Party needs to be taken seriously…

James Weeks Strips at Libertarian Party National Convention Drops out of race for Chairman 5/29/16

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2016 • 7:39:02am

re: #124 Joe Bacon

The next time anyone tells you that The Libertarian Party needs to be taken seriously…

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The guy who wears the rubber boot on his head was there, too.

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FormerDirtDart  May 30, 2016 • 7:40:26am

re: #104 Anymouse

According to wingnuts, President Obama promised us FEMA re-education camps. Darn it, Mr. President, what’s taking so long? /s

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 7:43:02am

re: #119 Snarknado!

I don’t see much reason to imagine that people today, given the opportunity to discriminate, would allow the “free market” to win. And the businesses that *wanted* black customers would be likely to lose their white customers in that kind of market.
The Libertarian view that market forces can overcome bigotry is simply wrong.

I can see how that would work today. I am an atheist in a town of just over one hundred people. If the single store here decided to not sell to atheists, it would not lose business.

I would be forced to go to the next town sixteen miles away, where there are two stores (and the owners both know me). If they did the same, they would not lose business, and the next store is sixty miles away.

The free market without regulation is nothing more than the tyranny of the majority. There is no instance I can think of where the minority can compete without some sort of regulation.

That regulation also prevents every industry and service from becoming one giant monopoly each (which would then not allow someone to take business elsewhere, as there would be no elsewhere).

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Romantic Heretic  May 30, 2016 • 7:44:22am

re: #107 Anymouse

Yeah, but you never know who might take that seriously.

“Next on InfoWars, Little Green Footballs calls for FEMA camps for conservatives! I read it right there, liberals are out to round us up!!!one!!11eleventy-uno!!1111!1!”

Actually, this is today’s outrageous outrage: Vandals Deface Vietnam War Memorial During Memorial Day Weekend!!!!1!!!!111!

Except I can’t find a single reputable source for this and I can only find three pictures all of which look like shops to me.

But this should keep a significant portion of ‘conservative America’ high as fucking kites today.

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Romantic Heretic  May 30, 2016 • 7:45:47am

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

ChickenHawk Donny cannot wait to send other people to war, to die for him==>

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Blood! Blood! Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for The Skull Throne!

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allegro  May 30, 2016 • 7:47:10am

Anyone else looking forward to the premiere of the new Roots miniseries tonight?

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 7:48:11am

I think the problem with the Libertarian view that businesses can discriminate at will is that it creates a dangerous slope allowing anyone who thinks their ‘deeply held’ beliefs mean they shouldn’t deal with certain people should be able to refuse to do so. It wasn’t at all a surprise to me following the support of bigoted florists and bakers who refuse to serve gay couples that Kim Davis did emerge and I think I remember even reading about some anti-gay EMTs that refused to treat gay people. I’ve always had a problem with so called “conscious clauses” for pharmacists who oppose birth control. Okay so YOU oppose birth control and that’s your right to do so but when you’re in a business that provides such goods to people, you need to provide them to people. Of course, the right wing morons response is WELL NO ONE FORCES MUSLIM BUTCHERS TO SELL PORK. That’s quite different.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 7:48:57am

re: #128 Romantic Heretic

Actually, this is today’s outrageous outrage: Vandals Deface Vietnam War Memorial During Memorial Day Weekend!!!!1!!!!111!

Except I can’t find a single reputable source for this and I can only find three pictures all of which look like shops to me.

But this should keep a significant portion of ‘conservative America’ high as fucking kites today.

I think conservatives feed on outrage. It keeps them going.

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SoundGuy 2016  May 30, 2016 • 7:50:17am

The problem with the libertarian viewpoint is that it’s lazy. It’s hipster conservatism.

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PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 7:50:26am

re: #130 allegro

Really? I didn’t know that. I will be watching PBS. Liberating A Continent: John Paul II.

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lawhawk  May 30, 2016 • 7:51:20am

re: #128 Romantic Heretic

Saw news reports about that this morning on WPIX11. Here’s a CBS news report.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2016 • 7:51:58am

re: #130 allegro

Anyone else looking forward to the premiere of the new Roots miniseries tonight?

I only just heard about it. LeVar Burton is the co-producer, so it should be good.

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allegro  May 30, 2016 • 7:52:23am

re: #134 PhillyPretzel

Really? I didn’t know that. I will be watching PBS. Liberating A Continent: John Paul II.

It’s being shown on both A&E and History. 4 parts tonight thru Thursday.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 7:53:47am

re: #133 SoundGuy 2016

The problem with the libertarian viewpoint is that it’s lazy. It’s hipster conservatism.

The von Mises economic school that so many of them subscribe tells them to ignore actual data and focus on the theory above all else. The problem with Libertarians is an awful like the problem I have with many Socialists, they don’t account for the real world and real people. Sure leaving a lot up to the states sounds reasonable but when you see that states are the ones that pushed Jim Crow, the same sex marriage bans, etc.

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dangerman  May 30, 2016 • 7:53:57am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

butchers are only regulated by health departments and such
pharmacies are the distribution point of controlled resources
but i state the obvious

as to the emts, tailors, shopkeepers and such, i wonder how they can tell who’s objectionable. it’s not always “obvious” or even “visible”

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PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 7:54:07am

re: #137 allegro

I do not have cable. I have the internet. It is much better. :)

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 7:54:19am

re: #130 allegro

Anyone else looking forward to the premiere of the new Roots miniseries tonight?

I hadn’t heard about that. That sounds interesting. I have company over tonight though.

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allegro  May 30, 2016 • 7:55:54am

re: #140 PhillyPretzel

I do not have cable. I have the internet. It is much better. :)

I enjoy both since cable is part of my rent package. History lets you stream their stuff without cable verification.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 7:56:38am

re: #139 dangerman

butchers are only regulated by health departments and such
pharmacies are the distribution point of controlled resources
but i state the obvious

as to the emts, tailors, shopkeepers and such, i wonder how they can tell who’s objectionable. it’s not always “obvious” or even “visible”

That’s a very good point. Of course, they like every trasngedered, every gay, every Muslim, etc looks and acts a certain way.

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FormerDirtDart  May 30, 2016 • 7:59:01am

re: #128 Romantic Heretic

Actually, this is today’s outrageous outrage: Vandals Deface Vietnam War Memorial During Memorial Day Weekend!!!!1!!!!111!

Except I can’t find a single reputable source for this and I can only find three pictures all of which look like shops to me.

But this should keep a significant portion of ‘conservative America’ high as fucking kites today.

The story is literally all over the news
NY Daily News - Vandals deface veterans memorials in California and Kentucky ahead of Memorial Day
CBS News - Veterans sites in 3 states damaged ahead of Memorial Day
FOX News - Veteran memorials in 3 states vandalized ahead of Memorial Day
Yahoo News - Veteran memorials in 3 states vandalized ahead of Memorial Day

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 7:59:54am

re: #135 lawhawk

Saw news reports about that this morning on WPIX11. Here’s a CBS news report.

Also a Purple Heart display in Seattle:
seattletimes.com

Petersburg (VA) National Battlefield:
rawstory.com

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SoundGuy 2016  May 30, 2016 • 8:00:13am

A truly free society must be regulated to ensure equal participation and fairness. A libertarian will never understand that. The moment they do they cease to become a libertarian.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 8:02:12am

re: #146 SoundGuy 2016

A truly free society must be regulated to ensure equal participation and fairness. A libertarian will never understand that. The moment they do the cease to become a libertarian.

The CATO Institute held forth in a paper when Somalia’s government was overthrown and a libertarian style one was set up in its place how it would become a flourishing economic gem on the Horn of Africa and how citizens’ rights would be preserved and expanded.

Then came the Islamic Courts Union, followed by al-Shabab. Funny how quickly libertarians fold when a group with more guns comes along.

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dangerman  May 30, 2016 • 8:04:15am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

further, with the for profits - retails stores as opposed to emt like services, i’d love to try an experiment with like the bakery.

organize a large number of “gay” couples to try and order cakes and see if the bakery really had the courage if its convictions.

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Romantic Heretic  May 30, 2016 • 8:04:33am

re: #135 lawhawk

Saw news reports about that this morning on WPIX11. Here’s a CBS news report.

Yeah, I stand corrected.

My web search skills seriously suck. I couldn’t find a single reputable link when I looked.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 8:08:29am

re: #149 Romantic Heretic

Yeah, I stand corrected.

My web search skills seriously suck. I couldn’t find a single reputable link when I looked.

That’s okay, you’re still kewl.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:11:38am

re: #148 dangerman

further, with the for profits - retails stores as opposed to emt like services, i’d love to try an experiment with like the bakery.

organize a large number of “gay” couples to try and order cakes and see if the bakery really had the courage if its convictions.

That would be something.

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Joe Bacon  May 30, 2016 • 8:11:53am

re: #147 Anymouse

The CATO Institute held forth in a paper when Somalia’s government was overthrown and a libertarian style one was set up in its place how it would become a flourishing economic gem on the Horn of Africa and how citizens’ rights would be preserved and expanded.

Then came the Islamic Courts Union, followed by al-Shabab. Funny how quickly libertarians fold when a group with more guns comes along.

Reminds me of the arguments I had with Economics professors when I was at Pitt 40 years ago. The Economics Department was split between disciples of Milton Friedman’s “Monetarists” and Murray Rothbard’s “Anarcho-Capitalists”.

A hard core Friedmanite kept reciting the bullshit about how free markets are intractably linked to free expression. I asked him why that wasn’t so with Chile under Pinochet and his Chicago Boys? I asked him why Pinochet was rounding up people and jailing them for free expression.

The professor looked me straight in the face and told me that wasn’t happening—our “liberal media” was making that up.

At that moment, I realized that these so called Libertarians live in a Laissez Fairyland!

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jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 8:13:53am

Now endorsed by the RNC and the majority of Republican voters.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:15:14am

re: #153 jaunte

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Now endorsed by the RNC and the majority of Republican voters.

He didn’t only mock McCain, he mocked all POWs with that offensive bullshit. Of course, McCain being the good little GOP hack he says he’ll vote for Trump.

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ObserverArt  May 30, 2016 • 8:16:11am

Morning! Happy Memorial Day LGF!

My wish for today is no stupid political crap from Trump or Sanders and their supporters. Really, all the politicians, campaigns and party committees can zip it for a day.

One day…all I ask. Let the whole country have a day just to think about our past and all the effort and sacrifice our soldiers put in to allow people to have the freedoms we enjoy.

And Peace! Lots of peace…we can always use more of that.

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PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 8:19:10am

re: #155 ObserverArt

I would love to see that. But I do not think it is going to happen.

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CriticalDragon1177  May 30, 2016 • 8:22:22am

I’m glad Frank Schaeffer was able to do a turn around like that. Good for him.

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Snarknado!  May 30, 2016 • 8:22:59am

re: #155 ObserverArt

“To dream… the impossible dream…”

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 8:23:35am

re: #152 Joe Bacon

…

At that moment, I realized that these so called Libertarians live in a Laissez Fairyland!

No one told me that puns would be part of the economics test. Well played.

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CriticalDragon1177  May 30, 2016 • 8:25:18am

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

Do those people not realize how dumb they’re making themselves look?

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Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2016 • 8:25:25am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

He didn’t only mock McCain, he mocked all POWs with that offensive bullshit. Of course, McCain being the good little GOP hack he says he’ll vote for Trump.

He has to say that if he wants to stay in the Senate. The alternative is to be purged as a RINO and there are a lot of Republicans who’d like to do that to him.

Such people are quite foolish, as John McCain is an effective senator and the Senate would be worse off without him.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 8:27:34am

re: #155 ObserverArt

Morning! Happy Memorial Day LGF!

My wish for today is no stupid political crap from Trump or Sanders and their supporters. Really, all the politicians, campaigns and party committees can zip it for a day.

One day…all I ask. Let the whole country have a day just to think about our past and all the effort and sacrifice our soldiers put in to allow people to have the freedoms we enjoy.

And Peace! Lots of peace…we can always use more of that.

I already had to deal with a wingnut at my town’s Memorial Day remembrance yesterday who was the guest speaker. He turned it into a wingnut platform for GOP talking points (not Mr. Trump’s, other wingnuttery).

I wrote about it at Daily Kos, linked further up the page. I was furious with the guy, but I managed not to [redacted] with his speech and force it in his [censored]

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:27:59am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

He has to say that if he wants to stay in the Senate. The alternative is to be purged as a RINO and there are a lot of Republicans who’d like to do that to him.

Such people are quite foolish, as John McCain is an effective senator and the Senate would be worse off without him.

Or he could say fuck it and retire with some integrity left. Trump’s attacks on McCain didn’t just attack McCain, they attacked all POWs and by going around and endorsing Trump to save his seat as you say showed that McCain at this point in his career cares more about power than integrity.

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jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 8:29:11am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

He has to say that if he wants to stay in the Senate.

Or, he could stand up and tell everyone just how wrong it is for Trump to have said that about POWs.

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William Lewis  May 30, 2016 • 8:29:21am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

He has to say that if he wants to stay in the Senate. The alternative is to be purged as a RINO and there are a lot of Republicans who’d like to do that to him.

Such people are quite foolish, as John McCain is an effective senator and the Senate would be worse off without him.

He stopped being effective the day he allowed himself to be coerced into accepting Palin as his VP candidate. It’s time for him to retire and the one last good thing he could do for his nation is to fight against the fascist running for President.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 8:30:08am

re: #165 William Lewis

He stopped being effective the day he allowed himself to be coerced into accepting Palin as his VP candidate. It’s time for him to retire and the one last good thing he could do for his nation is to fight against the fascist running for President.

Hopefully, Ann Kirkpatrick will be doing that for him after November.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:30:34am

re: #164 jaunte

Or, he could stand up and tell everyone just how wrong it is for Trump to have said that about POWs.

But that would mean being called a RINO and that’s somehow worse. Shrug. Come on DF, I hope you do know these flimsy defenses of your party’s officials kissing Trump’s ass make them look worse and even less worthy of respect let alone making me want them to have any sort of political power.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:31:32am

re: #165 William Lewis

He stopped being effective the day he allowed himself to be coerced into accepting Palin as his VP candidate. It’s time for him to retire and the one last good thing he could do for his nation is to fight against the fascist running for President.

Indeed. It’s been downhill for McCain ever since he chose Palin. He went from being a responsible voice within the GOP to being similar to the elements that want him out.

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Birth Control Works  May 30, 2016 • 8:32:22am
January 2016: WHO global plan of action to strengthen the role of the health system within a national multisectoral response to address interpersonal violence, in particular against women and girls, and against children:

2. ENCOURAGES Member States to adapt at national level the WHO global plan of action
to strengthen the role of the health system within a national multisectoral response to address interpersonal violence, in particular against women and girls, and against children, in line with the international commitments that Member States have already made, including to the Goals of the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, while taking into account region-specific situations and in accordance with national legislation, capacities, priorities and specific national circumstances;

Wonder what the Religious Right thinks of this?

How is it now?

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Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2016 • 8:35:05am

re: #164 jaunte

Or, he could stand up and tell everyone just how wrong it is for Trump to have said that about POWs.

He tried that and got shouted down. The party base in Arizona is in revolt against the party establishment he is associated with. Making matters worse in Arizona is the August Senatorial primary, which means in this environment GOP candidates can’t say ‘Boo!’ to the base before then. McCain’s got no choice but to follow along until he gets the nomination. After that he can look for split ticket voters if Trump is losing.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 30, 2016 • 8:35:38am

re: #147 Anymouse

There has, to my knowledge, never been any libertarian-based government system that has survived any sufficiently long period owing to the fact that at its most base foundation, it is one where the individual with the capital is to be deferred to on all matters, regardless of outcome. What the Libertarians always fail to realize is that society isn’t as homogeneous and in lock-step to their belief system as they are, and there have been may real-world examples where the status quo is still superior than the latest bleatings of some raving Libertarian whack-job. Right now the Libertarian fever-swamp is demanding that the US Air Traffic Control, be privatized, citing how well the Canadian system works. Well, the reality is that the Canuck system had to be bailed out BY THE GOVERNMENT once already, and it’s one-twentieth the side of the US. Furthermore, a senior Delta executive, having seen Canada’s privatized ATC system, heaped a metric shitton of scorn on even attempting to do the same in the US and how such a move would raise fees for general aviation by orders of magnitude, and that the ATC is well along the path of modernizing the current system.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 8:37:05am

re: #164 jaunte

Or, he could stand up and tell everyone just how wrong it is for Trump to have said that about POWs.

And if Mr. Trump thinks that about POWs (they are losers for being captured), then what is the logical conclusion of servicemembers who were killed in combat?

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ObserverArt  May 30, 2016 • 8:37:50am

re: #156 PhillyPretzel

I would love to see that. But I do not think it is going to happen.

re: #158 Snarknado!

“To dream… the impossible dream…”

It is just a wish. I’ve had a lot of wishes stamped out by the cold boot of reality. But I continue on wishing just the same.

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jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 8:38:54am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

He protested mildly, and hedged that with a promise to support whoever the R nominee was. Weak.
politico.com

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:39:11am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

He tried that and got shouted down. The party base in Arizona is in revolt against the party establishment he is associated with. Making matters worse in Arizona is the August Senatorial primary, which means in this environment GOP candidates can’t say ‘Boo!’ to the base before then. McCain’s got no choice but to follow along until he gets the nomination. After that he can look for split ticket voters if Trump is losing.

So he’d only turn against Trump to save himself? Tell me, why should we have him in the Senate then? I think you care more about keeping the seat Republican than McCain showing any actual integrity. As I said, he didn’t just attack McCain’s POW experience, he attacked any American who’s ever been a POW and for McCain to just brush that off to save his Senate seat was disgraceful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 30, 2016 • 8:42:30am

re: #164 jaunte

Or, he could stand up and tell everyone just how wrong it is for Trump to have said that about POWs.

GOP is turning into the battered wife defending her abusive husband…

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:42:50am

You know who showed he had alot of integrity, Bob Bennett. He apparently spent a lot of time before he died last month apologizing to Muslims for the bigotry his party was showing to Muslims. We’re talking about a man who was in the Senate over 20 years as a Republican and a man whose father was a Republican senator too. Bennett lost his seat to Mike Lee in 2010 but I think Bennett could take some solace that he left with his integrity intact. I can’t say the same for McCain anymore. I agree with William that it started when he chose Palin to appease the bigots in the base but he’s made it even worse since then.

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allegro  May 30, 2016 • 8:42:57am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

So he’d only turn against Trump to save himself? Tell me, why should we have him in the Senate then? I think you care more about keeping the seat Republican than McCain showing any actual integrity. As I said, he didn’t just attack McCain’s POW experience, he attacked any American who’s ever been a POW and for McCain to just brush that off to save his Senate seat was disgraceful.

At least DF acknowledges his party’s preferences for liars and opportunists.

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lawhawk  May 30, 2016 • 8:43:19am

re: #145 Anymouse

The incident at Petersburg National Military Park is especially egregious. It wasn’t mere vandalism, but theft of artifacts from the park - they dug up buried Civil War items, which are frequently found at markets across the nation.

Looters ripped up parts of Virginia’s Petersburg National Battlefield in an apparent search for relics from a siege that led to the end of the American Civil War in 1865, the National Park Service said ahead of the Memorial Day weekend.

Thieves dug a series of small pits looking for artifacts from the Union Army’s nine-month blockade of Richmond and the neighboring city of Petersburg, targeting a field where more than 1,000 Union and Confederate soldiers died, the agency said.

The looters were likely to have found uniform buttons, buckles, bullets and other small metal objects that are difficult to trace, Chris Bryce, chief of interpretation and visitor services at the battlefield, told Reuters on Saturday.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 30, 2016 • 8:44:11am

This lame fake outrage meme from 2009 is making the usual wingnut rounds again so I created a counter meme.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:44:18am

re: #178 allegro

At least DF acknowledges his party’s preferences for liars and opportunists.

True. As much as I despise the Republican party though, it would be nice to have a sane and opposition that has some integrity.

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darthstar  May 30, 2016 • 8:44:34am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

He has to say that if he wants to stay in the Senate. The alternative is to be purged as a RINO and there are a lot of Republicans who’d like to do that to him.

Such people are quite foolish, as John McCain is an effective senator and the Senate would be worse off without him.

Just had a visual of McCain pulling the same stunt Bush did landing on the Lincoln. Doesn’t go so well. Mission Accom—holy shit! Everybody hit the deck!

He hasn’t been an effective Senator since Obama handed his ass to him and his sidekick Sarah in ‘08. He joined McConnell’s bigot-brigade in hating everything the black guy said - not because he was guilted into it, but because it is part of his true nature - unless the torture of being a Republican in congress is worse than the Hanoi Hilton and he’s just weaker than he was in his hero days.

And he’s got a good chance at losing this November. To a Democrat. Be a fitting end to his career in politics.

Mornin’ everyone. Was just happily lurking but I can’t take the McCain fellatio lying down…not after the way that fucker has acted the last eight years.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:44:57am

re: #180 The Vicious Babushka

This lame fake outrage meme from 2009 is making the usual wingnut rounds again so I created a counter meme.

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And if he did that the stupid wingnuts would be crying OBAMUMMER NARCISSIST!

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:45:50am

re: #182 darthstar

Just had a visual of McCain pulling the same stunt Bush did landing on the Lincoln. Doesn’t go so well. Mission Accom—holy shit! Everybody hit the deck!

He hasn’t been an effective Senator since Obama handed his ass to him and his sidekick Sarah in ‘08. He joined McConnell’s bigot-brigade in hating everything the black guy said - not because he was guilted into it, but because it is part of his true nature - unless the torture of being a Republican in congress is worse than the Hanoi Hilton and he’s just weaker than he was in his hero days.

And he’s got a good chance at losing this November. To a Democrat. Be a fitting end to his career in politics.

Mornin’ everyone. Was just happily lurking but I can’t take the McCain fellatio lying down…not after the way that fucker has acted the last eight years.

Agreed 100%.

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ObserverArt  May 30, 2016 • 8:45:53am

re: #164 jaunte

Or, he could stand up and tell everyone just how wrong it is for Trump to have said that about POWs.

That would be the right thing to do. Sadly, the GOP seems incapable of doing the right thing and that is why they are where they are today.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 30, 2016 • 8:46:55am
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Birth Control Works  May 30, 2016 • 8:47:13am

Barbara Bush on Donald Trump: ‘I’m sick of him’

“He doesn’t give many answers to how he would solve problems. He sort of makes faces and says insulting things,” Barbara Bush said about Trump. “He’s said terrible things about women, terrible things about the military. I don’t understand why people are for him, for that reason.”

“I’m a woman,” she added. “I’m not crazy about what he says about women.”

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Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2016 • 8:47:43am

re: #182 darthstar

Just had a visual of McCain pulling the same stunt Bush did landing on the Lincoln. Doesn’t go so well. Mission Accom—holy shit! Everybody hit the deck!

He hasn’t been an effective Senator since Obama handed his ass to him and his sidekick Sarah in ‘08. He joined McConnell’s bigot-brigade in hating everything the black guy said - not because he was guilted into it, but because it is part of his true nature - unless the torture of being a Republican in congress is worse than the Hanoi Hilton and he’s just weaker than he was in his hero days.

How about you prove racism as a motivation, eh?

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dangerman  May 30, 2016 • 8:48:38am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

cause one cake is a political principle.
a bunch is either profit or an unsustainable business model

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jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 8:48:42am
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jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 8:49:41am

Or we could vote for someone who thinks Japan, Korea and others should build their own defensive nukes.

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Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2016 • 8:50:09am

re: #187 Birth Control Works

Barbara Bush on Donald Trump: ‘I’m sick of him’

No, I don’t think Jeb or George W. will be leading Donald Trump any support. Not after their mother said that. Of course she might well have said that to keep them away from Trump, but guidance is something good mothers provide, even if they sometimes have to be tricky about it.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:50:25am

re: #187 Birth Control Works

Barbara Bush on Donald Trump: ‘I’m sick of him’

That’s from February but I imagine Barbara’s feelings are the same today.

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sagehen  May 30, 2016 • 8:53:12am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

McCain’s got no choice but to follow along until he gets the nomination. After that he can look for split ticket voters if Trump is losing.

Right. Got no choice but to follow along. That’s the kind of leadership we need.

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darthstar  May 30, 2016 • 8:53:12am

Remember what you were doing on September 10, 2001? I was living in England. On the afternoon of the 11th I was on a canal tour through the locks in West Berkshire…spent the second half of the tour glued to the radio in the boat’s cockpit listening to BBC coverage.

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ObserverArt  May 30, 2016 • 8:53:18am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

But that would mean being called a RINO and that’s somehow worse. Shrug. Come on DF, I hope you do know these flimsy defenses of your party’s officials kissing Trump’s ass make them look worse and even less worthy of respect let alone making me want them to have any sort of political power.

In a strange way he is held hostage by his own party and his desire to be a part so much that he meekly follows along as a me-too kinda guy.

McCain should be the party elder bulldog barking about all that is wrong with the GOP. He should be the example and a source for guidance and strength.

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Majacita  May 30, 2016 • 8:53:35am

I don’t think McCain is motivated by racism. I think he hated losing. It changed him badly. I used to be a supporter of his and still think the country would have been better off if he’d won the nomination in 2000 instead of Shrub.

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sagehen  May 30, 2016 • 8:54:37am

re: #171 Eric The Fruit Bat

There has, to my knowledge, never been any libertarian-based government system that has survived any sufficiently long period…

Not true. Feudalism survived for centuries.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 30, 2016 • 8:54:45am

Baby Whiplash spends Memorial Day trolling Obama and cheering the Atomic Bomb

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:56:32am

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash spends Memorial Day trolling Obama and cheering the Atomic Bomb

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Except he didn’t say anything close to that Ben but nice try. I bet Baby Ben doesn’t know that 12 Americans died in the dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima. I guess Ben doesn’t give a shit about them since he’s too busy raging at Obama due to his own perpetual rage at the black guy.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:57:08am

re: #197 Majacita

I don’t think McCain is motivated by racism. I think he hated losing. It changed him badly. I used to be a supporter of his and still think the country would have been better off if he’d won the nomination in 2000 instead of Shrub.

I do think there definitely was some bitterness over his defeat. Honestly, he should have resigned. He really should have.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 8:57:37am

re: #196 ObserverArt

In a strange way he is held hostage by his own party and his desire to be a part so much that he meekly follows along as a me-too kinda guy.

McCain should be the party elder bulldog barking about all that is wrong with the GOP. He should be the example and a source for guidance and strength.

I think he (McCain) should have taken some cues from Goldwater.

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lawhawk  May 30, 2016 • 8:58:38am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

And that’ll just as quickly turn into rage against the woman when Hillary wins the Presidency in November despite his #NeverTrump morph to #StopHillary. They’re nothing if not predictable.

Angry white guy syndrome, despite really not having anything to be angry about.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 8:59:26am

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

How about you prove racism as a motivation, eh?

Well, we could start with his most recent example of intransigence: His refusal to even meet with Merrick Garland. Garland was appointed to the Court of Appeals with McCain’s vote, too.

I wonder what the difference is. Why is it today McCain won’t even see the man (claiming that the “people need a right to say, as if the black guy in the White House only serves 3/5 of a term and 5,000,000 more votes than Mitt Romney doesn’t count), when he was all for him before (along with the whole rest of the GOP)?

Why is he following along with Senator McConnell’s “we won’t take up a nominee” (or much of anything else) if McCain is all about good governance and the Constitution?

Other than the fact he is a senator and I am a city councilmember, I believe we swore to uphold and defend the Constitution (just like McCain and I did when we were respectively in the Navy).

If McCain doesn’t like the guy, he can vote against him. But to refuse to see him at all? When he voted for him in the past? Nah, it’s not the black guy in the White House.

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Snarknado!  May 30, 2016 • 9:00:23am

re: #198 sagehen

Not true. Feudalism survived for centuries.

It strikes me as waaay anachronistic to equate Feudalism with Libertarianism — or any modern economic theory, really.

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darthstar  May 30, 2016 • 9:00:49am

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

How about you prove racism as a motivation, eh?

I’ll give you this. McCain’s a passive bigot. He doesn’t initiate, he merely goes along with the crowd and laughs at all of the jokes. Then he questions Obama’s loyalty to the US in matters of Foreign Policy - giving him an F - because getting out of Iraq, negotiating nuclear rollback in Iran, and avoiding starting new wars are all things a President shouldn’t do - and then can fall back on his ‘No ma’am, he’s an American’ line from one town hall to show he’s not 100% asshole.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:00:59am

re: #204 Anymouse

Well, we could start with his most recent example of intransigence: His refusal to even meet with Merrick Garland. Garland was appointed to the Court of Appeals with McCain’s vote, too.

I wonder what the difference is. Why is it today McCain won’t even see the man (claiming that the “people need a right to say, as if the black guy in the White House only serves 3/5 of a term and 5,000,000 more votes than Mitt Romney doesn’t count), when he was all for him before (along with the whole rest of the GOP)?

Why is he following along with Senator McConnell’s “we won’t take up a nominee” (or much of anything else) if McCain is all about good governance and the Constitution?

Other than the fact he is a senator and I am a city councilmember, I believe we swore to uphold and defend the Constitution (just like McCain and I did when we were respectively in the Navy).

If McCain doesn’t like the guy, he can vote against him. But to refuse to see him at all? When he voted for him in the past? Nah, it’s not the black guy in the White House.

Even if it’s not race based, it’s based in personal spite towards Obama for beating him. McCain I think really felt that Obama was undeserving of the WH and he was so he takes every opportunity to belittle the President and not to let him do his job.

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Majacita  May 30, 2016 • 9:01:15am

I was split between McCain and Obama in 2008. I felt that Obama could use a few years more in the Senate and that McCain would continue to stand up to the lunatics in the Republican party. After he picked Palin there was no more choice to be made. Besides Palin herself, there was the realization that he caved under pressure. And he’s kept caving more and more ever since. He now does what he’s told and it is a shame.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 9:03:35am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Even if it’s not race based, it’s based in personal spite towards Obama for beating him. McCain I think really felt that Obama was undeserving of the WH and he was so he takes every opportunity to belittle the President and not to let him do his job.

If we assume personal spite, then he is unfit to serve as a senator. Personal spite should in no way determine the course of legislation.

I serve on a city council with four Republicans. Somehow we all manage to get stuff done. My proposals are not simply opposed because I am a Democrat (and socialistic). As a matter of fact, none of my proposals on my city council have ever been opposed.

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Snarknado!  May 30, 2016 • 9:03:47am

re: #208 Majacita

I was split between McCain and Obama in 2008. I felt that Obama could use a few years more in the Senate and that McCain would continue to stand up to the lunatics in the Republican party. After he picked Palin there was no more choice to be made. Besides Palin herself, there was the realization that he caved under pressure. And he’s kept caving more and more ever since. He now does what he’s told and it is a shame.

Funny, I was split between Obama and Hillary Clinton for the same reason (in the primary season). Never considered McCain, though…

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 9:04:19am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

He tried that and got shouted down. The party base in Arizona is in revolt against the party establishment he is associated with. Making matters worse in Arizona is the August Senatorial primary, which means in this environment GOP candidates can’t say ‘Boo!’ to the base before then. McCain’s got no choice but to follow along until he gets the nomination. After that he can look for split ticket voters if Trump is losing.

So, if Mavericky Senator McCain is allowing himself to be shouted down by the crazy base that’s taken over your party, what earthly good is he in the Senate? Especially since he completely gave up any kind of moderation in favor of going the full wingnut?

It’s time for him to go. Either he lost his conviction as an independent thinker, or he was faking it all those years and this is the real him, but in either case, it’s time for him to go.

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darthstar  May 30, 2016 • 9:04:21am

re: #204 Anymouse

If McCain doesn’t like the guy, he can vote against him. But to refuse to see him at all? When he voted for him in the past? Nah, it’s not the black guy in the White House.

This.

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jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 9:04:43am

re: #206 darthstar

‘No ma’am, he’s an American’

When another attendee at that town hall referred to Obama as an “Arab,” McCain responded, “No, ma’am. He’s a decent family man [and] citizen* that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that’s what this campaign’s all about.”
nbcnews.com

There are definite racist assumptions embedded in the correction that a man is not an Arab, but a decent family man and citizen.

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Majacita  May 30, 2016 • 9:04:49am

re: #210 Snarknado!

I never considered Hillary. But now I am all in. Donating money and getting ready to volunteer. Things do change.

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Birth Control Works  May 30, 2016 • 9:04:59am
But then, anyone who reads those stories knows that “establishment” has also become shorthand (well, technically, longhand) for “moderate,” not to mention for people who have spent long years in Washington — or who have connections to it.

“The Establishment” now means moderate?

I’m too old.

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Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2016 • 9:05:33am

re: #204 Anymouse

It’s not the black guy, especially given that McCain’s son and namesake (John Sidney McCain IV) is married to a black woman. It is that the state GOP in Arizona has decided (correctly, IMO) that judge garland cannot be trusted to uphold the Heller and McDonald decisions and so they support Chuck Grassley freezing Garland out. Grassley still met with Garland, but McCain can’t risk it given the likelihood that such a meeting would be used to portray him as a RINO.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 9:05:40am

re: #210 Snarknado!

Funny, I was split between Obama and Hillary Clinton for the same reason (in the primary season). Never considered McCain, though…

I’d just moved to Oklahoma and married my wife (after being a homeless vet in South Carolina). I was unable to vote (Oklahoma would not let me register.)

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:06:13am

re: #213 jaunte

There are definite racist assumptions embedded in the correction that a man is not an Arab, but a decent family man and citizen.

Right, McCain gets too much credit for how he responded to that old woman.

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Birth Control Works  May 30, 2016 • 9:06:15am

re: #214 Majacita

I never considered Hillary. But now I am all in. Donating money and getting ready to volunteer. Things do change.

Love Trumps Hate - Official Hillary Store

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darthstar  May 30, 2016 • 9:06:27am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Even if it’s not race based, it’s based in personal spite towards Obama for beating him. McCain I think really felt that Obama was undeserving of the WH and he was so he takes every opportunity to belittle the President and not to let him do his job.

It’s been eight years. Jesus, if he holds a grudge like this, imagine how he would have handled foreign policy if he’d won? We’re nuking Hanoi because I still have bad dreams.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:06:54am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

It’s not the black guy, especially given that McCain’s son and namesake (John Sidney McCain IV) is married to a black woman. It is that the state GOP in Arizona has decided (correctly, IMO) that judge garland cannot be trusted to uphold the Heller and McDonald decisions and so they support Chuck Grassley freezing Garland out. Grassley still met with Garland, but McCain can’t risk it given the likelihood that such a meeting would be used to portray him as a RINO.

They won’t even give Garland a hearing. Who the fuck are you to say they’ve decided correctly to decide he can’t be trusted.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 9:07:19am

re: #187 Birth Control Works

Barbara Bush on Donald Trump: ‘I’m sick of him’

“Let me just say this, okay? I like women who don’t get old, okay?”

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:07:22am

re: #220 darthstar

It’s been eight years. Jesus, if he holds a grudge like this, imagine how he would have handled foreign policy if he’d won? We’re nuking Hanoi because I still have bad dreams.

Hey, don’t ask me, I voted for Obama over him happily without a second thought.

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William Lewis  May 30, 2016 • 9:08:03am

re: #198 sagehen

Not true. Feudalism survived for centuries.

Feudalism is a system of allegiances - I swear fealty to my superior in exchange for land and protection and I become his tenant-in-chief. My vassals swear fealty to me in exchange for the same becoming my tenants on the land I hold in temporary grant from the king. Those vassals are automatically considered to also be vassals of my leige lord whom I have sworn fealty to. In most feudal structures the king is viewed as either vassal to God or to the Land itself and the chain goes all the way down to the meanest villain but there are rights and responsibilities attendant to everyone in the feudal pyramid.

This as utterly unlike the anarchism of the libertarians as anything imaginable

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jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 9:08:13am
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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:08:45am

By the way, he could be perfectly fine with his daughter marrying a black man and resent having a black man as commander in chief. Racism isn’t a simple thing. I do think it’s more spite than outright racism with him but if you think none of the Republicans in the Senate have a problem with Obama because they resetn having to call a black man, Mr. President than I think that’s wrong.

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Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2016 • 9:09:07am

re: #221 HappyWarrior

They won’t even give Garland a hearing. Who the fuck are you to say they’ve decided correctly to decide he can’t be trusted.

Based on his past decisions, its a safe assumption. Garland could clear it up by simply announcing that he has come to see the 2nd Amendment as an individual right and will rule on it as such.

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Birth Control Works  May 30, 2016 • 9:09:19am

It’s about Xenophobia.

Us vs. Them mentality.

Trump and the Whackos see everything as a zero-sum game.

Very child-like mentality if you ask me.

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lawhawk  May 30, 2016 • 9:09:49am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

It’s not the black guy, especially given that McCain’s son and namesake (John Sidney McCain IV) is married to a black woman. It is that the state GOP in Arizona has decided (correctly, IMO) that judge garland cannot be trusted to uphold the Heller and McDonald decisions and so they support Chuck Grassley freezing Garland out. Grassley still met with Garland, but McCain can’t risk it given the likelihood that such a meeting would be used to portray him as a RINO.

RINO after being the GOP nominee in 2008 and being the AZ Senator for decades by being maverick-y. There’s so much pretzel logic to being a GOPer these days.

Ignore that the GOP is blocking any action on Garland for no other reason than who did the nominating. The GOP is throwing out decades of history and comity on judicial nominations for the US Supreme Court. Refusal to hear the nomination in an election year is a dodge and affront to anyone who cares about the justice system.

If McCain wants to vote against Garland’s nomination, by all means. But allow the hearings and votes.

Doing nothing except obstructionism is all the GOP has left. It’s the Grand Obstructionist Party. And it’s taken a black guy in the White House and the likely first woman to win the presidency to prove it in spades.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 9:10:07am

re: #221 HappyWarrior

They won’t even give Garland a hearing. Who the fuck are you to say they’ve decided correctly to decide he can’t be trusted.

If Senator McCain’s constituents think Merrick Garland cannot be trusted, and Senator McCain is representing his constituents, he would vote him down. Voting against him would show the courage of his convictions. Dodging into a (non-trangender) bathroom in the Senate Office Building (okay a little hyperbole there) is so courageous.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:10:18am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Based on his past decisions, its a safe assumption. Garland could clear it up by simply announcing that he has come to see the 2nd Amendment as an individual right and will rule on it as such.

So he has to be hostage to the NRA’s whims on guns? Again fuck that. I’m sorry. I know your party dreamed of Scalie retiring under a Republican president and replacing him with a like minded individual but that’s not how it worked out. Garland deserves a hearing and the dipshits that run your party can’t even give him that.

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Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2016 • 9:10:50am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

By the way, he could be perfectly fine with his daughter marrying a black man and resent having a black man as commander in chief. Racism isn’t a simple thing. I do think it’s more spite than outright racism with him but if you think none of the Republicans in the Senate have a problem with Obama because they resetn having to call a black man, Mr. President than I think that’s wrong.

I didn’t say “none of the Republicans in the Senate” resent Obama being president and being black, but I don’t think John McCain resents it.

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darthstar  May 30, 2016 • 9:11:32am
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Majacita  May 30, 2016 • 9:11:40am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Garland’s record on guns is the only thing giving liberals pause about him. The man’s a centrist.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:11:51am

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t say “none of the Republicans in the Senate” resent Obama being president and being black, but I don’t think John McCain resents it.

Fair enough. I do think he has some serious issues with Obama though that make him unfit to be a Senator anymore though. He should quit.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:12:58am

re: #234 Majacita

Garland’s record on guns is the only thing giving liberals pause about him. The man’s a centrist.

Even Bork got a hearing. But Merrick Garland isn’t absolutist enough on guns to satisfy the bedwetters at the NRA so he doesn’t get the respect of a hearing a supreme court nominee deserves.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 9:13:19am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

It’s not the black guy, especially given that McCain’s son and namesake (John Sidney McCain IV) is married to a black woman. It is that the state GOP in Arizona has decided (correctly, IMO) that judge garland cannot be trusted to uphold the Heller and McDonald decisions and so they support Chuck Grassley freezing Garland out. Grassley still met with Garland, but McCain can’t risk it given the likelihood that such a meeting would be used to portray him as a RINO.

“Some of my best friends are black” is an old, old expression.

In the end, it doesn’t matter whether he personally is motivated by racism, or simply signs onto the campaign of obstruction that was motivated by racism. He’s just another waste of space now.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:14:47am

re: #237 Blind Frog Belly White

“Some of my best friends are black” is an old, old expression.

In the end, it doesn’t matter whether he personally is motivated by racism, or simply signs onto the campaign of obstruction that was motivated by racism. He’s just another waste of space now.

There’s also racists who may accept black people as their friends or in McCain’s case even as in laws but cannot accept them as authority figures. I think McCain racism based or not cannot respect Barack Obama as the democratically elected President of this country and it’s for that very reason he’s been an ineffective senator since Obama beat him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 9:15:28am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Based on his past decisions, its a safe assumption. Garland could clear it up by simply announcing that he has come to see the 2nd Amendment as an individual right and will rule on it as such.

Right. Pull the other one, it’s got bells on it.

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darthstar  May 30, 2016 • 9:16:09am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

It’s not the black guy, especially given that McCain’s son and namesake (John Sidney McCain IV) is married to a black woman. It is that the state GOP in Arizona has decided (correctly, IMO) that judge garland cannot be trusted to uphold the Heller and McDonald decisions and so they support Chuck Grassley freezing Garland out. Grassley still met with Garland, but McCain can’t risk it given the likelihood that such a meeting would be used to portray him as a RINO.

BECAUSE HE IS A FUCKING COWARD I’m not even going to address the “I can’t be racist because some of my kids-in-law are black” bullshit.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 9:16:48am

You know, if the President is going to start rounding up hundreds of millions of guns, he better get on it. The National Rifle Association has been banging that drum since President Obama first ran for President.

Now they’re switching to Hillary Clinton. It’s almost as if they are afraid or something.

The facts of the matter are that the II Amendment will not be repealed (too many states would rightfully vote against that idea), and no one is going to round up guns.

It is scare mongering, no different than “ISIS children will sneak in over the border!!!” or “Ebola will kill us all!!!” or “Men will pose as transgendered men to assault our wives and daughters!!!”

On the last, I would love to see a Democrat introduce a bill banning Republicans from public bathrooms or other venues with children since there is actually evidence of danger from Republicans. (With the downfall of Ken Starr at Baylor, every Republican involved in the Bill Clinton non-scandal has now been implicated in sex crimes or conspiracy to cover them up.)

Nice family values party there, GOP.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 9:17:03am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Even Bork got a hearing. But Merrick Garland isn’t absolutist enough on guns to satisfy the bedwetters at the NRA so he doesn’t get the respect of a hearing a supreme court nominee deserves.

Bork not only got a hearing, Bork got a vote in the Judiciary Committee that went against him, and he STILL got a vote in the Senate and lost, and it wasn’t a strict party line vote, either.

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sagehen  May 30, 2016 • 9:17:41am

re: #210 Snarknado!

Funny, I was split between Obama and Hillary Clinton for the same reason (in the primary season). Never considered McCain, though…

I liked McCain in 2000. But when his 2008 campaign hired the exact same consultants and strategists who’d orchestrated the “black baby” smear in the 2000 South Carolina primary… that repulsed me.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 30, 2016 • 9:18:19am

What do I do for Memorial Day? Go get a sushi burrito before I fire up my Pit Barrel for ribs.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:18:31am

re: #241 Anymouse

You know, if the President is going to start rounding up hundreds of millions of guns, he better get on it. The National Rifle Association has been banging that drum since President Obama first ran for President.

Now they’re switching to Hillary Clinton. It’s almost as if they are afraid or something.

The facts of the matter are that the II Amendment will not be repealed (too many states would rightfully vote against that idea), and no one is going to round up guns.

It is scare mongering, no different than “ISIS children will sneak in over the border!!!” or “Ebola will kill us all!!!” or “Men will pose as transgendered men to assault our wives and daughters!!!”

On the last, I would love to see a Democrat introduce a bill banning Republicans from public bathrooms or other venues with children since there is actually evidence of danger from Republicans. (With the downfall of Ken Starr at Baylor, every Republican involved in the Bill Clinton non-scandal has now been implicated in sex crimes or conspiracy to cover them up.)

Nice family values party there, GOP.

They’ve been spreading the blatant lie that Democrats are out to get their guns since my childhood and now they’re rinsing and repeating in my niece’s. Hey I guess Republcians do like recycling! But yes I’d love to see some trolling over the bathroom too given that more Republicans have caused misconduct in bathrooms than transgenderd folks have.

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Birth Control Works  May 30, 2016 • 9:18:39am
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called on Muslims to reject contraception and have more children.

In a speech broadcast live on TV, he said “no Muslim family” should consider birth control or family planning.

“We will multiply our descendants,” said Mr Erdogan, who became president in August 2014 after serving as prime minister for 12 years.

His AK Party has its roots in Islamism and many of its supporters are conservative Muslims.

The Whackos are afraid their genetic material will be extinct. The answer must be to have more children —a quiverfull. Over population will not ensure their survival.

Idiots!

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 9:18:42am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

There’s also racists who may accept black people as their friends or in McCain’s case even as in laws but cannot accept them as authority figures. I think McCain racism based or not cannot respect Barack Obama as the democratically elected President of this country and it’s for that very reason he’s been an ineffective senator since Obama beat him.

Anyone who doesn’t think McCain’s a racist should go back and review his behavior during the debates in 2008.

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Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2016 • 9:18:52am

As a reminder, I’ve favored giving Garland a committee hearing and then voting him down if he does not pass muster on guns, federalism, and interpretation of the Constitution. But that idea was rejected in favor of a stone wall.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:19:09am

re: #242 Blind Frog Belly White

Bork not only got a hearing, Bork got a vote in the Judiciary Committee that went against him, and he STILL got a vote in the Senate and lost, and it wasn’t a strict party line vote, either.

Yep, that’s absolutely correct. And yeah one of the Republicans that voted against that bigoted lunatic was my own senator.

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Snarknado!  May 30, 2016 • 9:19:38am

re: #213 jaunte

There are definite racist assumptions embedded in the correction that a man is not an Arab, but a decent family man and citizen.

I don’t like or respect McCain after his last several years in the Senate, but that really isn’t fair. He wasn’t responding specifically to “he’s an Arab,” that was just the most recent of a series of allegations about Obama from that crowd (which continued after he was booed for saying that, by the way. He didn’t back down) . His response was a high point in his campaign.

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William Lewis  May 30, 2016 • 9:20:20am

re: #242 Blind Frog Belly White

Bork not only got a hearing, Bork got a vote in the Judiciary Committee that went against him, and he STILL got a vote in the Senate and lost, and it wasn’t a strict party line vote, either.

Bork was allowed to, metaphorically, hang himself. He spoke truthfully about what an utter nutcase he was and how utterly insane his beliefs were. The senate took him at his word and voted against him because he would have been the biggest disaster in history as an associate justice.

Since then, all of the nominee’s have been very careful not to expose just how extreme their beliefs really are during the confirmation process. This has been especially true in the case of the current Chief Justice.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 9:21:45am

re: #250 Snarknado!

I don’t like or respect McCain after his last several years in the Senate, but that really isn’t fair. He wasn’t responding specifically to “he’s an Arab,” that was just the most recent of a series of allegations about Obama from that crowd (which continued after he was booed for saying that, by the way. He didn’t back down) . His response was a high point in his campaign.

A remarkably low high point. That whole campaign was just a foretaste of the last 7 1/2 years of increasingly vile behavior from the Republican Party.

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sagehen  May 30, 2016 • 9:22:02am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

It is that the state GOP in Arizona has decided (correctly, IMO) that judge garland cannot be trusted to uphold the Heller and McDonald decisions and so they support Chuck Grassley freezing Garland out. Grassley still met with Garland, but McCain can’t risk it given the likelihood that such a meeting would be used to portray him as a RINO.

Bullshit.

If they had an issue regarding potential decisions, they’d highlight that at the hearings. And vote against him. R’s still have a senate majority, if they all vote no the vote would be no.

As for Grassley’s meeting with Garland… you do realize Grassley wrote an op-ed about that meeting that was published before the meeting even took place.

Grassley doesn’t want a vote because he’s pretty sure the vote won’t go the way he wants.

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retired cynic  May 30, 2016 • 9:22:08am

re: #195 darthstar

“Keep in mind that our newest generation of voters have never known the US not to be a nation at war with someone or some idea.”

When were we not? (Speaking as an old….)

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:22:09am

re: #247 Blind Frog Belly White

If you don’t think McCain’s a racist, go back and review his behavior during the debates in 2008.

I do remember that now that you mention it. It’s also worth noting that McCain voted against a holiday for MLK as a Congressman.

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Birth Control Works  May 30, 2016 • 9:22:56am
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BeachDem  May 30, 2016 • 9:23:04am

re: #182 darthstar

He joined McConnell’s bigot-brigade in hating everything the black guy said - not because he was guilted into it, but because it is part of his true nature - unless the torture of being a Republican in congress is worse than the Hanoi Hilton and he’s just weaker than he was in his hero days.

Bolding mine—I don’t buy that McCain changed in the last few years. I think he’s always been a petty, self-serving, power-hungry asshole. (Keating 5, anyone?) And the lament that he was “forced” to pick Palin just makes me laugh. He picked her and then ran a “Country First” campaign. Yeah, right. And he STILL defends that choice.

I think Rolling Stone nailed him pretty accurately. rollingstone.com

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 9:23:06am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

They’ve been spreading the blatant lie that Democrats are out to get their guns since my childhood and now they’re rinsing and repeating in my niece’s. Hey I guess Republcians do like recycling! But yes I’d love to see some trolling over the bathroom too given that more Republicans have caused misconduct in bathrooms than transgenderd folks have.

When the gun shop owner in my town first met me when I moved here, he naturally as a business owner tried to hawk his wares to a new customer. I politely declined at the time.

He asked what I have for home defence (I would note this is an incredibly safe community, but the nearest law enforcement is the sheriff sixteen miles away). I told him I own a .12 gage shotgun.

He asked why the hell I would use that for home defence, and I pointed out “a shotgun is about as sporting as a water hose. If I actually had to defend my home with a gun, I don’t want to miss.”

All over town in a couple days I was asked “you’re a liberal? Why would you own a gun?” (I would note the II Amendment was written by liberals of the day.)

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:23:25am

re: #252 Blind Frog Belly White

A remarkably low high point. That whole campaign was just a foretaste of the last 7 1/2 years of increasingly vile behavior from the Republican Party.

The high point of McCain’s campaign was when he conceded. Not the speech itself but when it was known to everyone that Barack Obama and not John McCain would be the 44th president of hte United States.

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sagehen  May 30, 2016 • 9:23:42am

re: #219 Birth Control Works

Love Trumps Hate - Official Hillary Store

One of the panelists on Bill Maher this week pointed out what an awful slogan that is. If you glance quickly and your brain only takes in part of it, you see “love Trump”…

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Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2016 • 9:24:48am

re: #246 Birth Control Works

The Whackos are afraid their genetic material will be extinct. The answer must be to have more children —a quiverfull. Over population will not ensure their survival.

Idiots!

I feel certain that line is going to go over rather badly in Europe. And if Donald Trump gets hold of it….

Well, Maybe The Donald will just settle for noting that he has more children than The Sultan (5 to 4). But more likely he’ll throw in some insults and fear-mongering as well.

{pounds head against wall}

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Majacita  May 30, 2016 • 9:25:41am

re: #259 HappyWarrior

His concession speech was actually really nice. He praised Obama and the campaign and tried to leave on high note. Too bad he didn’t follow it up.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 30, 2016 • 9:26:40am

re: #27 teleskiguy

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That’s missing one important character.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2016 • 9:27:14am

re: #262 Majacita

His concession speech was actually really nice. He praised Obama and the campaign and tried to leave on high note. Too bad he didn’t follow it up.

Oh i know. I was being a smart ass. It really is too bad. Little secret, i actually considered voting for McCain briefly in 08 before it was apparent Obama would be the nominee. i liked Obama but thought little of Clinton and thought McCain had some integrity.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 30, 2016 • 9:27:35am

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

But that idea was rejected in favor of a stone wall.

And this is your party, Dark. Don’t forget that.

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William Lewis  May 30, 2016 • 9:28:46am

re: #258 Anymouse

I have confused more than a few people with my blaze orange hat that has a “Liberal Gun Club” patch, my Infantry and Military Intelligence branch insignias and IWW pin on it. They get even more confused by trying to understand why someone who is not just liberal but socialist has a concealed carry permit and a nice old S&W Model 13 revolver on him… ;)

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Birth Control Works  May 30, 2016 • 9:29:22am
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Birth Control Works  May 30, 2016 • 9:30:39am

I’ve concluded that the gun nuts are much more bipartisan than the NRA et al. would have us believe.

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Mattand  May 30, 2016 • 9:31:42am

re: #258 Anymouse

When the gun shop owner in my town first met me when I moved here, he naturally as a business owner tried to hawk his wares to a new customer. I politely declined at the time.

He asked what I have for home defence (I would note this is an incredibly safe community, but the nearest law enforcement is the sheriff sixteen miles away). I told him I own a .12 gage shotgun.

He asked why the hell I would use that for home defence, and I pointed out “a shotgun is about as sporting as a water hose. If I actually had to defend my home with a gun, I don’t want to miss.”

All over town in a couple days I was asked “you’re a liberal? Why would you own a gun?” (I would note the II Amendment was written by liberals of the day.)

I realize I’m being judgmental to a degree, but everytime I get the desire to go to a gun range and actually see what’s it like to fire a gun, I imagine I’m going to get the third degree from some ammosexual and shoot (pun intended) my mouth off.

In real life, my “Set sarcasm to kill” option gets tripped pretty quickly. Probably not the best idea when surrounded by people who are living out their real-world Punisher fantasy on a daily basis.

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Timothy Watson  May 30, 2016 • 9:31:46am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

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There was a story in one of the Military Times publications about how Obama makes at least two private (as in no photographers or press allowed) visits to Walter Reed each year.

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Majacita  May 30, 2016 • 9:32:57am

re: #268 Birth Control Works

Two of my gun nut friends are Socialists. And were MP’s in the Army. But one of their brothers is voting for Trump. There are going to be a lot of broken family connections in this election.

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Birth Control Works  May 30, 2016 • 9:33:10am

re: #269 Mattand

I realize I’m being judgmental to a degree, but everytime I get the desire to go to a gun range and actually see what’s it like to fire a gun, I imagine I’m going to get the third degree from some ammosexual and shoot (pun intended) my mouth off.

In real life, my “Set sarcasm to kill” option gets tripped pretty quickly. Probably not the best idea when surrounded by people who are living out their real-world Punisher fantasy on a daily basis.

People at gun ranges are very kewl, in my experience. They love guns and the shooting sports —it’s really all they want to talk about.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 9:33:33am

re: #266 William Lewis

I have confused more than a few people with my blaze orange hat that has a “Liberal Gun Club” patch, my Infantry and Military Intelligence branch insignias and IWW pin on it. They get even more confused by trying to understand why someone who is not just liberal but socialist has a concealed carry permit and a nice old S&W Model 13 revolver on him… ;)

I have a Liberal Gun Club sticker on my Smart car.

I took my car a couple years ago to the Co-Op to have a tire looked at. After everyone “test drove” my car (no other Smarts around here and they all wanted to try it out), one fellow asked, Liberals with guns? You own guns?

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Timothy Watson  May 30, 2016 • 9:37:17am

re: #270 Timothy Watson

Here we go, found the link:
militarytimes.com

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 9:38:46am

re: #270 Timothy Watson

There was a story in one of the Military Times publications about how Obama makes at least two private (as in no photographers or press allowed) visits to Walter Reed each year.

I am not sure about previous Presidents, but I would be unsurprised if they didn’t do the same either at Walter Reed Army Hospital or Bethesda Naval Hospital.

Going in for a check up with the doc in my opinion is not a press conference.

“Mr. President, did you have a prostate exam today” doesn’t really seem like a newsworthy event, and I certainly wouldn’t want a room full of photographers taking pictures of the procedure.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 9:42:56am

re: #274 Timothy Watson

I suppose I will see it then in my next print edition of Navy Times.

I was mistaken about the medical exam, thanks for the link.

Turns out that President Obama makes private visits with members of the Armed Forces who are recovering from combat injuries.

In that case, bravo President Obama, for making it about the soldier, seaman, airman, or Marine, and not about a photo op or a press release.

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ObserverArt  May 30, 2016 • 9:43:05am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

They’ve been spreading the blatant lie that Democrats are out to get their guns since my childhood and now they’re rinsing and repeating in my niece’s. Hey I guess Republcians do like recycling! But yes I’d love to see some trolling over the bathroom too given that more Republicans have caused misconduct in bathrooms than transgenderd folks have.

I am so sick of the gol’damn gun debate.

For a long time they have been slinging that ‘take our guns’ bullshit and instead of one gun taken there are more and more guns in America.

They have distorted the second amendment into The US Constitution and One Super Untouchable Amendment.

I don’t think our forefathers ever intended for it to turn out like this.

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Skip Intro  May 30, 2016 • 9:45:08am

Thousands of Trump Head Stickers Embellish MTA Stick Figures on the Subway With Hilarious Results

The unknown street artist behind Instagram account @majorbigtime has been printing tons of Donald Trump head shot stickers then placing them on top of the MTA’s red stick figure subway etiquette guy——the one that is always doing something horrible. Somehow, it’s not too difficult to imagine Trump actually doing these things.

viewing.nyc

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Barefoot Grin  May 30, 2016 • 9:46:05am

re: #224 William Lewis

Feudalism is a system of allegiances - I swear fealty to my superior in exchange for land and protection and I become his tenant-in-chief. My vassals swear fealty to me in exchange for the same becoming my tenants on the land I hold in temporary grant from the king. Those vassals are automatically considered to also be vassals of my leige lord whom I have sworn fealty to. In most feudal structures the king is viewed as either vassal to God or to the Land itself and the chain goes all the way down to the meanest villain but there are rights and responsibilities attendant to everyone in the feudal pyramid.

This as utterly unlike the anarchism of the libertarians as anything imaginable

I don’t think this is what the Freedom Project folks envision for New Hampshire when they finally gain a majority in the state government. If it happens, I predict our already terrible roads will go to hell.

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darthstar  May 30, 2016 • 9:46:27am

re: #254 retired cynic

“Keep in mind that our newest generation of voters have never known the US not to be a nation at war with someone or some idea.”

When were we not? (Speaking as an old….)

Yeah…I know…Clinton continued bombing Iraq at least once every six days (There was a Harper’s Index about this at the end of his term - longest period without a US bomb falling somewhere in Iraq for 12 years was six days) for his entire term. Bush 41’s little war never really ended, did it?

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dangerman  May 30, 2016 • 9:52:11am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

It’s not the black guy, especially given that McCain’s son and namesake (John Sidney McCain IV) is married to a black woman. It is that the state GOP in Arizona has decided (correctly, IMO) that judge garland cannot be trusted to uphold the Heller and McDonald decisions and so they support Chuck Grassley freezing Garland out. Grassley still met with Garland, but McCain can’t risk it given the likelihood that such a meeting would be used to portray him as a RINO.

1. you demonstrate that with your vote, not by de-legitimizing the President’s nomination

2. job security over country

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 30, 2016 • 9:53:37am

re: #224 William Lewis

Feudalism is a system of allegiances - I swear fealty to my superior in exchange for land and protection and I become his tenant-in-chief. My vassals swear fealty to me in exchange for the same becoming my tenants on the land I hold in temporary grant from the king. Those vassals are automatically considered to also be vassals of my leige lord whom I have sworn fealty to. In most feudal structures the king is viewed as either vassal to God or to the Land itself and the chain goes all the way down to the meanest villain but there are rights and responsibilities attendant to everyone in the feudal pyramid.

This as utterly unlike the anarchism of the libertarians as anything imaginable

Under feudalism, nobody owned anything, they held it in fief for their lord, all the way up to the King, who held it in the name of his people. Libertarianism is all about the primacy of private property ownership.

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darthstar  May 30, 2016 • 9:53:55am

Wow…well played, ladies.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 30, 2016 • 9:54:44am

Heh

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darthstar  May 30, 2016 • 9:54:52am

re: #281 dangerman

1. you demonstrate that with your vote, not by de-legitimizing the President’s nomination

2. job security over country

Country Health Insurance Benefits First.

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dangerman  May 30, 2016 • 9:58:41am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Based on his past decisions, its a safe assumption. Garland could clear it up by simply announcing that he has come to see the 2nd Amendment as an individual right and will rule on it as such.

he’s a judge. he’s not going to “announce” anything.
great topic for a face to face though

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 10:01:02am

re: #282 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Under feudalism, nobody owned anything, they held it in fief for their lord, all the way up to the King, who held it in the name of his people. Libertarianism is all about the primacy of private property ownership.

And every libertarian thinks they will be the owners, rather than all economic power concentrated in the hands of a few wealthy corporations and individuals.

How’s private property working out in Somalia?

Libertarianism can only lead to totalitarians or feudalism.

I don’t understand why government is this all-encompasing evil that must be opposed, so monopoly ownership of everything can rule instead. I can vote (especially at the lower levels of government) for the folk I feel are most representative of my values. I have no say over Microsoft, Exxon/Mobil, strip mining companies, a lead smelting plant next to a school, &c.

Libertarianism is a religion, no different than Christianity or Islam. Its god is money, its altar is the free market, and its holy books are “The Fountainhead” and “Atlas Shrugged.” Its tenets cannot be contested unless you are a heretic.

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stpaulbear  May 30, 2016 • 10:05:54am

re: #283 darthstar

Wow…well played, ladies.

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VERY well played. Glad they caught the jerk and that he got arrested.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 10:11:43am

re: #287 Anymouse

And every libertarian thinks they will be the owners, rather than all economic power concentrated in the hands of a few wealthy corporations and individuals.

How’s private property working out in Somalia?

Libertarianism can only lead to totalitarians or feudalism.

I don’t understand why government is this all-encompasing evil that must be opposed, so monopoly ownership of everything can rule instead. I can vote (especially at the lower levels of government) for the folk I feel are most representative of my values. I have no say over Microsoft, Exxon/Mobil, strip mining companies, a lead smelting plant next to a school, &c.

Libertarianism is a religion, no different than Christianity or Islam. Its god is money, its altar is the free market, and its holy books are “The Fountainhead” and “Atlas Shrugged.” Its tenets cannot be contested unless you are a heretic.

And its unquestionable deity is the Invisible Hand Of The Market, which invariably does Good, so any bad that comes out of The Market is caused by Government Interference.

It even has its own indistinguishable but virulently opposed sects - ask an Objectivist if he isn’t just a Libertarian.

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Birth Control Works  May 30, 2016 • 10:12:58am

bbl

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jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 10:18:30am

re: #283 darthstar

“Oh my god,” the woman said, adding that “he’s one of my best friends.” As she explained, they worked together and had known each other for a year and a half.

They should add that to the meme.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 10:20:22am

re: #290 Birth Control Works

bbl

bbl? What could this mean?

Bros be lame?
Blondes be lovable?
Born ‘Bama Lady?
Blasted Blown Ligament?

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jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 10:20:29am
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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 10:21:06am

re: #293 jaunte

I fail. I am the dishwasher.

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PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 10:21:28am

re: #292 Anymouse

be back later.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 10:22:09am

re: #295 PhillyPretzel

be back later.

That would have been my very next guess. (::

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jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 10:22:58am

re: #292 Anymouse

Barbelieu: something eaten in place of barbecue.

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PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 10:23:02am

re: #293 jaunte

Hmm. They forgot the jam spoon, egg spoon and the bullion spoon. /half

Downton Abbey inside joke.

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stpaulbear  May 30, 2016 • 10:24:13am

re: #298 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. They forgot the jam spoon, egg spoon and the bullion spoon. /half

And the grapefruit spoon. Would that go next to the sporks?

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PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 10:26:58am

re: #299 stpaulbear

I have not loaded a dishwasher in years. I wash my own plates, cutlery and cookware.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 30, 2016 • 10:29:45am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

It’s not the black guy, especially given that McCain’s son and namesake (John Sidney McCain IV) is married to a black woman.

I am not asserting that McCain is or isn’t a racist, but unless he picked his son’s wife, that is not proof at all.

But the Senate has been much better with McCain there - look at all the times he has shown leadership in breaking the obstructionist logjams. Why, he may have done it as many as zero times!

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The Vicious Babushka  May 30, 2016 • 10:31:29am

Wingnuts hating on Obama on Memorial Day, according to tradition

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PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 10:34:19am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

To Victor: Put a cork in it.

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stpaulbear  May 30, 2016 • 10:36:01am

re: #300 PhillyPretzel

I have not loaded a dishwasher in years. I wash my own plates, cutlery and cookware.

Same here. I haven’t lived anywhere with a dishwasher since 1970.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 30, 2016 • 10:37:00am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts hating on Obama on Memorial Day, according to tradition

[Embedded content]

Apparently numbnuts isn’t aware that British, Dutch and American POWs also died in the atomic bombings.

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Jay C  May 30, 2016 • 10:37:26am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts hating on Obama on Memorial Day, according to tradition

[Embedded content]

WTF is this even about? I’m guessing - due to the fact that the two folks in the background might be Japanese - that it MAY have something to do with Hiroshima?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 30, 2016 • 10:37:31am

re: #304 stpaulbear

Same here. I haven’t lived anywhere with a dishwasher since 1970.

Is that when you moved out of Mom’s house?
(runs, hides)

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 10:38:15am

re: #303 PhillyPretzel

To Victor: Put a cork in it.

There’s another example of how I would like to respond, with gentle [redacted] shoved up [censored].

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PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 10:38:36am

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

lol. Not enough utensils to justify using the dishwasher.

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jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 10:39:15am

re: #306 Jay C

Photo is Obama at Hiroshima. He’s at Arlington today.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 10:39:18am

re: #309 PhillyPretzel

lol. Not enough utensils to justify using the dishwasher.

My wife can always justify the use of the dishwasher, since that is me.

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stpaulbear  May 30, 2016 • 10:39:51am

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

Is that when you moved out of Mom’s house?
(runs, hides)

Hey, I had four sisters too. ;)

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 30, 2016 • 10:40:49am

Hola.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 10:42:00am

re: #310 jaunte

Photo is Obama at Hiroshima. He’s at Arlington today.

Obama supporting our enemies, those buried at Arlington National Cemetery? LOLWUT?

Obama could be the second coming of Ronald Reagan and they would find a reason to hate the guy.

I suspect he is really looking forward to getting out of the wingnuttophere in January. (As if. They will never stop bashing him; cf Jimmy Carter).

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jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 10:42:45am
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Jay C  May 30, 2016 • 10:43:16am

re: #310 jaunte

Photo is Obama at Hiroshima. He’s at Arlington today.

IOW, wingnut is wrong about the date, wrong about the context, and wrong about the intention - and even so, can’t avoid the opportunity for cheap, vicious Obama-bashing.

So what else is new?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 30, 2016 • 10:43:50am

re: #314 Anymouse

Obama could be the second coming of Ronald Reagan and they would find a reason to hate the guy.

Reagan went to Germany and placed a wreath on SS graves.

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jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 10:44:37am

I WILL GIVE YOU EVERYTHING

This is the candidate of the people who love that Reagan quote;
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.”

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 10:44:50am

I have to excuse myself from LGF for a few minutes (you lucky devils): it is near noon in Mountain Time Zone (that fantasy land between the Left Coast and Central Time). As flag committee chair (even though I am apparently a commie socialist leftie hippie the village appointed me to the job), I need to go round the village and hoist the flags to full staff.

I’ll be right back. You’ve been warned.

320
gocart mozart  May 30, 2016 • 10:47:28am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Based on his past decisions, its a safe assumption. Garland could clear it up by simply announcing that he has come to see the 2nd Amendment as an individual right and will rule on it as such.

Even if Garland correctly interprets the 2nd amendment the way it has been interpreted for the first 220 years of the constitution and strongly opposes the radical judicial activists who were the majority in Heller, he should still keep his mouth shut and not prejudge matters that might come before him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 10:47:31am

re: #317 The Vicious Babushka

Reagan went to Germany and placed a wreath on SS graves.

Embedded Image

That’s different, because

1. Reagan was white.

2. So were the SS troops.

322
PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 10:47:37am

re: #318 jaunte

::: Headed to Cabelas to get some hip waders :::

323
Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 10:48:10am

re: #322 PhillyPretzel

::: Headed to Cabelas to get some hip waders :::

Planning on arguing with wingnuts? They’ll come in handy!
//

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PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 10:48:52am

re: #323 Blind Frog Belly White

lol

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 10:49:07am

re: #322 PhillyPretzel

::: Headed to Cabelas to get some hip waders :::

You’re coming to Sidney, Nebraska? Kewl! I’ll meet you at the diner here in town and show you around.

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Jenner7  May 30, 2016 • 10:49:20am

Suspicious package outside the White House.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 10:50:20am

re: #318 jaunte

I WILL GIVE YOU EVERYTHING

This is the candidate of the people who love that Reagan quote;
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.”

Yeah, but remember these are the same people who turned away from the Democratic Party when we stated sharing the benefits of the New Deal with Those People. They’ve never objected to receiving government largesse. The only time they have a problem with it is when it goes to The Other.

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PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 10:50:21am

re: #325 Anymouse

Thank you that is kind. I will do the mail/internet thing.

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Jay C  May 30, 2016 • 10:50:50am

re: #319 Anymouse

I have to excuse myself from LGF for a few minutes (you lucky devils): it is near noon in Mountain Time Zone (that fantasy land between the Left Coast and Central Time). As flag committee chair (even though I am apparently a commie socialist leftie hippie the village appointed me to the job), I need to go round the village and hoist the flags to full staff.

I’ll be right back. You’ve been warned.

So, are you going to burn them before or after they’re raised back?
(“After” would show more respect)

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PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2016 • 10:51:00am

re: #326 Jenner7

That is not good. :(

331
Charles Johnson  May 30, 2016 • 10:51:44am
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 10:53:21am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts hating on Obama on Memorial Day, according to tradition

[Embedded content]

This is how crazy they are - they want to make the Japanese back into enemies 71 years after we defeated them, just because they hate Obama so much.

Obama is the most polarizing President ever, not because of who HE is, or what HE’S done, but because a substantial portion of Americans are racist assholes.

333
Charles Johnson  May 30, 2016 • 10:55:13am
334
Shiplord Kirel  May 30, 2016 • 10:55:37am

Breitbart is……….being Breitbart:

Black Outrage Over Gorilla Shot To Protect ‘White Privilege’. Just One Problem…

I’ll save the suspense, the kid is black.

Apparently the Breitbrats mined the entire social media complex to find 2 clueless comments, and managed to generalize about all non-bigots from these.

This is accompanied by the usual firehose of racism and hate speech in the comments, with a big dose of antisemitism thrown in for some reason.

335
gocart mozart  May 30, 2016 • 10:56:07am

re: #254 retired cynic

“Keep in mind that our newest generation of voters have never known the US not to be a nation at war with someone or some idea.”

When were we not? (Speaking as an old….)

1796-97, 1807-09, 1826, 1828-30, 1897, 1935-1940, 1976-1978, and 1997.
washingtonsblog.com

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Teukka  May 30, 2016 • 10:59:04am

re: #333 Charles Johnson

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Big Beautiful Door  May 30, 2016 • 11:00:06am

re: #334 Shiplord Kirel

Breitbart is……….being Breitbart:

Black Outrage Over Gorilla Shot To Protect ‘White Privilege’. Just One Problem…

I’ll save the suspense, the kid is black.

Apparently the Breitbrats mined the entire social media complex to find 2 clueless comments, and managed to generalize about all non-bigots from these.

This is accompanied by the usual firehose of racism and hate speech in the comments, with a big dose of antisemitism thrown in for some reason.

Stormfront must be angry that Breitbart has stolen their audience.

338
Barefoot Grin  May 30, 2016 • 11:00:26am

re: #322 PhillyPretzel

::: Headed to Cabelas to get some hip waders :::

I have some groovy waders….

339
Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 11:00:29am

re: #335 gocart mozart

1796-97, 1807-09, 1826, 1828-30, 1897, 1935-1940, 1976-1978, and 1997.
washingtonsblog.com

We have always been at war with Great Britain Libya Mexico Ourselves Spain The Germans The Axis The Commies North Vietnam Granada Iraq Afghanistan Iraq Libya ISIS Eastasia Eurasia somebody.

340
Barefoot Grin  May 30, 2016 • 11:01:27am

re: #333 Charles Johnson

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How many bridges and buildings and highways and airports will the GOP-led congress name for Obama?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 30, 2016 • 11:02:21am

re: #340 Barefoot Grin

How many bridges and buildings and highways and airports will the GOP-led congress name for Obama?

RONALD REAGAN STATES OF RONALD REAGAN.

342
Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2016 • 11:06:30am

Important things I have learned - DON’T buy a stove with that fancy black porcelain top. Once you start using it, it will never, ever look clean again.

Ever.

Not Ever.

343
CleverToad  May 30, 2016 • 11:09:02am

re: #342 Blind Frog Belly White

Important things I have learned - DON’T buy a stove with that fancy black porcelain top. Once you start using it, it will never, ever look clean again.

Ever.

Not Ever.

True.
But it sure as heck beats cleaning out the dratted burners/drip pans/crumbs below the drip pans. Been there, done that for too many years.

344
Big Beautiful Door  May 30, 2016 • 11:09:18am

I don’t know if there was already a conversation about Kiristol’s tease that there is going to be a credible independent candidate. Do you think its Romney, or do you think they found someone else to run, and who might that be?

345
Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 11:09:50am

I’m back.

No I didn’t burn any flags, but I was attacked by a dog that got loose while I was hoisting the flags in the park. I was uninjured; the owner came barrelling out of his garage to corral his dog, who ran up the street.

Interestingly, over at the Village Hall, I ran across an unfamiliar woman walking a dog along the street. (There are quite a few people in town that do not live here for Memorial Day, visiting family.) As I approached the Village Hall flagstaff to hoist the flag to full-staff, she snapped to attention until the action was completed. (The only time I have seen that in my little town of 128 is when a veteran happens by when I am hoisting or lowering the flags.)

346
BlueSpotinAL  May 30, 2016 • 11:17:39am

re: #342 Blind Frog Belly White

Have you tried the Weiman glass cooktop cleaner? LOL at autocorrect changing it to woman.

347
Timothy Watson  May 30, 2016 • 11:17:54am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts hating on Obama on Memorial Day, according to tradition

[Embedded content]

Coming from the same people who worship Winston Churchill when the British starved thousands of American prisoners to death on ships like the HMS Jersey?

348
jaunte  May 30, 2016 • 11:18:12am

‘…Their story began in March 1942 in the Sunda Strait on the other side of the globe. That was where the cruiser USS Houston and HMAS Perth were sunk during a fierce nighttime battle against the Japanese. The fate of the 1,168 on board would not be known for months.
…..
…when a recruitment drive got underway to enlist 1,000 men to replace those believed to be lost, more than 3,000 answered the call

349
gocart mozart  May 30, 2016 • 11:19:41am

Actual live footage of this year’s Libertarian Convention.

Secretary of State Striptease
Or is it?

350
Eric The Fruit Bat  May 30, 2016 • 11:24:56am

re: #334 Shiplord Kirel

Yet they conveniently ignore the incident where a female gorilla saved a life of a toddler back in the 1990s at Brookfield.

Gaah. Those folks who have lost a sense of history should be prevented from voting.

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Charles Johnson  May 30, 2016 • 11:26:23am
352
wrenchwench  May 30, 2016 • 11:26:56am

Control of women’s fertility is on every fascist’s agenda.

353
SoundGuy 2016  May 30, 2016 • 11:32:09am

The intellect of the knuckledraggers is on full display. If one think’s it’s a win to get somebody to block them on Twitter then they’re basically announcing to the world that they’re petulant little shits. I’ve also seen ‘block me now before I rip off your head’ taunts… so I always oblige.

This is your typical Trump supporter. Trump is not the cause, Trump is the symptom of a serious sickness.

354
sagehen  May 30, 2016 • 11:37:11am

re: #340 Barefoot Grin

How many bridges and buildings and highways and airports will the GOP-led congress name for Obama?

The congress won’t be GOP-led forever. There’ll eventually be a Congress that’s happy to name things for Obama.

355
Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 11:40:17am

re: #352 wrenchwench

Control of women’s fertility is on every fascist’s agenda.

If I’d only been born a few years earlier, my own state (Michigan) would have rated me “feebleminded” over my epilepsy and incarcerated me for life.

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 11:42:45am

re: #344 Big Beautiful Door

I don’t know if there was already a conversation about Kiristol’s tease that there is going to be a credible independent candidate. Do you think its Romney, or do you think they found someone else to run, and who might that be?

Do you suppose he will back Governor Gary Johnson?

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wrenchwench  May 30, 2016 • 11:44:18am

re: #355 Anymouse

If I’d only been born a few years earlier, my own state (Michigan) would have rated me “feebleminded” over my epilepsy and incarcerated me for life.

We’ve come a long way, and have some distance to go, yet.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 30, 2016 • 11:46:01am

re: #356 Anymouse

Do you suppose he will back Governor Gary Johnson?

No, Kristol is a neocon, and Libertarians are pretty isolationist.

359
SoundGuy 2016  May 30, 2016 • 11:50:05am

Oceanic is the suck. I’m sure being bought out by Comcrap will help. Right?

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Anymouse  May 30, 2016 • 11:52:53am

re: #357 wrenchwench

We’ve come a long way, and have some distance to go, yet.

I am having a problem with obtaining sufficient medication for my upcoming trip to Canada.

Since Oklahoma and Virginia used Phenobarbital to execute prisoners, the European Union first moved to block the sale of the medication to the USA. (Phenobarbital is not the first choice of neurologists in the USA, but I am allergic to the Dilantin analogues and gabapentin, and the Navy prescribed that to me after many other trials.)

One of the unsung wins of President Obama’s early administration was intervening on behalf of those of us who need Phenobarbital with the EU to reach an agreement to keep the drug available for its legitimate purpose (epilepsy and status epilepticus, the latter a fatal disorder of continual seizures only controllable with barbiturates).

Phenobarbital is licensed by the Danish firm Lundbeck. The company is required to follow EU law, which includes not facilitating the death penalty.

The problem is the agreement itself: In any state where there are death row inmates (while Nebraska has repealed the death penalty it did not commute the sentences of those on death row), one can only obtain a prescription of thirty day’s supply. My trip is scheduled for longer than that; as such, the Veterans Administration cannot obtain the necessary medication on my behalf.

I ran into the same problem last year when I went to Germany and Poland; I have a friend I was meeting in Germany that is a physician in Switzerland. He was willing to obtain the necessary amount of medications for me for my trip. As it happens, I had extra left over from my move here from a commercial pharmacy that filled the gap, but I no longer have those.

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Teukka  May 30, 2016 • 12:17:49pm

re: #350 Eric The Fruit Bat

Yet they conveniently ignore the incident where a female gorilla saved a life of a toddler back in the 1990s at Brookfield.

Gaah. Those folks who have lost a sense of history should be prevented from voting.

And conveniently forget that that particular gorilla was female, and had been raised by humans. There’s a difference in behavior between males and females of wild species.

362
BeenHereAwhile  May 30, 2016 • 1:03:07pm

re: #299 stpaulbear

And the grapefruit spoon. Would that go next to the sporks?

Runcible spoon.

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Eventual Carrion  May 30, 2016 • 4:15:19pm

re: #234 Majacita

Garland’s record on guns is the only thing giving liberals pause about him. The man’s a centrist.

And as for myself, I see nothing wrong with that.

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Eventual Carrion  May 30, 2016 • 5:01:12pm

re: #254 retired cynic

“Keep in mind that our newest generation of voters have never known the US not to be a nation at war with someone or some idea.”

When were we not? (Speaking as an old….)

Really. I was born in 1961. Cold war going on, then Vietnam going balls to the wall by the later 60’s. Then you can just start singing Billy Joel’s “We didn’t start the fire” from the 70’s on.

365
Eventual Carrion  May 30, 2016 • 5:34:46pm

re: #294 Anymouse

I fail. I am the dishwasher.

People used to ask the wife and I if we had a dishwasher. I always told them, “Yeah, we named them at birth.”. The youngest, and only one left at home, still has to do them by hand even though there really is a dishwasher. We don’t really dirty up enough stuff to run a load most times anyway, holidays maybe.

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cat-tikvah  May 30, 2016 • 6:02:41pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

The Dalek is probably the least evil of those in attendance.

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cat-tikvah  May 30, 2016 • 6:23:14pm

re: #317 The Vicious Babushka

After Elie Wiesel implored him not to do it.


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