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JordanRules  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:04:14pm

The NFL apparently put a gag on Jerruh.

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JordanRules  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:09:15pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:13:36pm

This is fun.

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JordanRules  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:13:36pm
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JordanRules  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:16:08pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:17:42pm

re: #4 JordanRules

All the best people!

It’s Trump’s Rat Pack.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:17:51pm

re: #1 JordanRules

The NFL apparently put a gag on Jerruh.

I’m surprised Mike Doocey, of Fox 4, would cancel for that reason, being Fox and all. The other day, Dale Hansen (the sports guy who’s not been shy about calling out people on issues of race or gender), called Jerry out on his statement about kneeling, noting that during the anthem, he not only had a hat on, but wouldn’t take it off when it was pointed out to him (Jones also had this lame hand over heart thing).

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JordanRules  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:20:48pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:20:57pm
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:21:59pm

Everyone following the live blog of the Manafort trial?

Here’s the link: washingtonpost.com

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JordanRules  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:22:15pm

re: #7 Belafon

I’m surprised Mike Doocey, of Fox 4, would cancel for that reason, being Fox and all. The other day, Dale Hansen (the sports guy who’s not been shy about calling out people on issues of race or gender), called Jerry out on his statement about kneeling, noting that during the anthem, he not only had a hat on, but wouldn’t take it off when it was pointed out to him (Jones also had this lame hand over heart thing).

Sounds like Doocey was more annoyed at how it was handled, being extremely last minute.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:22:55pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

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When the fuck did the NYT become the apologia for racism in this country? Damn.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:24:14pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

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Jay C  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:24:24pm

re: #8 JordanRules

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I thought Wagner was the Russians’ front org for mercenaries in Syria, ( as at Deir es-Zor) not Africa? Those guys DO get around…..

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:25:02pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

There are lots of people that I disagree with that I don’t yell racist at. On the other hand, racists are racists.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:25:25pm

I HAZ A BIG SAD NOW.
Haha jk no I don’t.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:25:27pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Who wrote the article?

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:25:38pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

When the fuck did the NYT become the apologia for racism in this country? Damn.

When were they not?

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:26:47pm
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:27:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:28:39pm

re: #15 Belafon

There are lots of people that I disagree with that I don’t yell racist at. On the other hand, racists are racists.

Exactly. I don’t think every conservative is a racist. I sure as hell think a lot of racists harbor conservative ideological views though.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:29:18pm

re: #18 lawhawk

When were they not?

I guess I haven’t followed them regularly. I know it’s been pretty bad the past two years but I must have missed it in the years before.

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TedStriker  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:30:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:30:38pm

I really hate this new world where calling out racism is worse than the actual racism.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:31:36pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I really hate this new world where calling out racism is worse than the actual racism.

Same as the old world. Whites back during the 50s and 60s did the same thing.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:32:13pm

re: #25 Belafon

Same as the old world. Whites back during the 50s and 60s did the same thing.

True, true. Different world than that I grew up in the 90’s and early 00’s though.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:37:29pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

True, true. Different world than that I grew up in the 90’s and early 00’s though.

That was that brief time period after King was killed and before black men could be elected president.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:38:07pm

re: #27 Belafon

That was that brief time period after King was killed and before black men could be elected president.

I know. Agh. What the hell is wrong with our society?

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:39:45pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

I know. Agh. What the hell is wrong with our society?

Racism is something we refuse to deal with as a society, and like any disease you fail to properly take care of, it’s symptoms show up periodically.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:40:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:41:40pm

re: #29 Belafon

Racism is something we refuse to deal with as a society, and like any disease you fail to properly take care of, it’s symptoms show up periodically.

Yep.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:47:28pm

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

I HAZ A BIG SAD NOW.
Haha jk no I don’t.

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A dog walker now is he?

I hope the dogs take a bite of Baked Alaska’s ass.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:49:49pm

re: #17 Belafon

Who wrote the article?

I clicked on the opinion writers name to find some background.

Margaret Renkl

Margaret Renkl is a contributing opinion writer for The New York Times. She works for Humanities Tennessee, an independent affiliate of the National Endowment for the Humanities, as editor of Chapter 16, a daily web publication that documents the literary life of Tennessee. Her work has appeared in Black Warrior Review, Guernica, Literary Hub, Shenandoah, The Southern Review and other publications. She lives in Nashville.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:50:55pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

No biting, because then the dogs go to doggie jail and all that…pissing on his shoes does not.

Pooping in his shoes doesn’t either.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:51:01pm

Music interlude to address Trump’s border fascination (and sheer dumbassery)

The White Stripes-Icky Thump

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:51:48pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Yep.

My comment above was not meant to discourage you. Just the opposite. We’ve dealt with this before, though not optimally. I think, though, in the long run, if all the different groups on the left can stay together, we can do better (yes, I know that’s a tall order), because whites are a smaller group than they were 30 years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:53:34pm

re: #36 Belafon

My comment above was not meant to discourage you. Just the opposite. We’ve dealt with this before, though not optimally. I think, though, in the long run, if all the different groups on the left can stay together, we can do better (yes, I know that’s a tall order), because whites are a smaller group than they were 30 years ago.

Nah you’re good. It’s just yeah frustrating. I’ve been reading a Nixon biography and I’m really seeing the roots of what we see now on the right with the kind of underhanded crap Nixon did but at the same time, I’d take Nixon over any Republican today warts adn all.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:53:43pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

A dog walker now is he?

I hope the dogs take a bite of Baked Alaska’s ass.

I hope they crap on his shoes.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:54:41pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

If you’re a white liberal whose goal is to foster a more equitable culture, you need to stop yelling “Racist!” at anyone who doesn’t see the world exactly as you do nyti.ms

bullshit

im not trying to teach, train, influence, persuade, or in any other way get anybody to “change their evil ways”

they need to be silenced, marginalized, neutered and crushed.
without mercy

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:55:11pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

I hope they crap on his shoes.

And he doesn’t find out until he gets home.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:55:32pm

re: #30 MsJ

Of course the DEA finds no spillover effect.

We’ve got border towns that have low crime - and aren’t seeing any crime spike because there isn’t one.

It also shows that there isn’t chaos in the US, and there isn’t spillover despite what Trump and his white nationalist advisers want people to think.

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gocart mozart  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:56:31pm
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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:56:54pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

A dog walker now is he?

I hope the dogs take a bite of Baked Alaska’s ass.

You know what they say - ‘Lay down with dogs, wake up as a dog walker in Arizona.’

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:57:13pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

A dog walker now is he?

I hope the dogs take a bite of Baked Alaska’s ass.

Living rent free in mommy and daddy’s vacation home.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:57:55pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I really hate this new world where calling out racism is worse than the actual racism.

it isnt
we cant let them keep trying to spin it as if it were

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:58:20pm

re: #1 JordanRules

The NFL apparently put a gag on Jerruh.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:58:55pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Does anyone read those opinions anymore? (I know how to talk to racists, starting with GFY and moving on from there.)

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:59:08pm
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dangerman  Jul 31, 2018 • 12:59:12pm

re: #29 Belafon

Racism is something we refuse to deal with as a society, and like any disease you fail to properly take care of, it’s symptoms show up periodically.

because just enough of a critical mass wants “the disease”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:01:14pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:02:44pm
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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:04:42pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

But Obama was a cult leader followed by cultists.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:05:57pm

re: #33 ObserverArt

I clicked on the opinion writers name to find some background.

She ain’t no goddamned anthropologist nor paleontologist nor does she have any expertise that enables her to put this statement in her opinion piece:

Here’s what’s also true: Prejudice is endemic to humanity itself. Human beings are tribal creatures — we trust the familiar and are drawn to it; we distrust the unfamiliar and keep our distance. White people, liberal and conservative, often claim not to notice another person’s race — “I don’t even see color,” they argue — but it’s just not true.

We are hard-wired to recognize difference and to view it as an aberration. Noticing difference is not the same thing as hating difference, of course, but I’m not talking about vicious white supremacists here. I’m talking only about garden-variety prejudice, the kind that operates at an unconscious level in everyone. And the difference between an unconscious liberal racist and an unconscious conservative racist is only a matter of degree, not a matter of kind.

Sure, we have senses that pick up differences. That makes us good hunter-gatherers and good bird-watchers. It doesn’t force us into racism. This is what allowing ‘citizen scientists’ to talk like experts will get you. Bullshit with a certain shine.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:06:18pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

The reason con-men have always been successful is that their marks want to be marks.

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gocart mozart  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:06:35pm
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plansbandc  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:07:18pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Idolizing an absolutely horrible human being is really not a good look.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:09:02pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

“As long as keeps hating the same people we hate, we’ll follow him to the ends of the earth and back.”

prob

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:09:30pm

Manafort’s defense, from the WaPo live blog: blame Rick Gates.

For months we have heard pieces of the government’s case against Paul Manafort. Now we know his defense: Blame Richard Gates, his former business partner and deputy.

“This case is about taxes and trust,” defense attorney Thomas Zehnle told the jury. “Mr. Manafort placed his trust in the wrong person … Rick Gates.”

Gates, Zehnle noted, has already pleaded guilty to lying to the U.S. government, yet prosecutors are now telling a jury to believe his testimony.

Party of Personal Responsibility, y’all.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:09:39pm

re: #54 freetoken

The reason con-men have always been successful is that their marks want to be marks.

A significant portion of them will never admit they were conned. They’d rather sacrifice a child than own up.

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gocart mozart  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:10:04pm
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mmmirele  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:12:14pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

A dog walker now is he?

I hope the dogs take a bite of Baked Alaska’s ass.

I kind of feel sorry for him. Kind of. But not a whole lot. If he’s doing his dog walking during waking hours, today was the first day in a couple of weeks when it wasn’t 90+ degrees at 5:30 am. (It was a chilly 85.) It’s got to suck.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:13:40pm

re: #59 Belafon

A significant portion of them will never admit they were conned. They’d rather sacrifice a somebody else’s child than own up.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:15:29pm

How well does my enormous block list work I hear you not asking?

This was the only derp that got through. Dude has since been blocked.

ABB people, always be blocking.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:15:47pm

re: #56 plansbandc

Idolizing an absolutely horrible human being is really not a good look.

A look that they are proud of.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:15:48pm

“According to data provided by the Department of Justice, the vast majority of individuals convicted of terrorism and terrorism-related offenses since 9/11 came here from outside of our country.”

Donald Trump, speech before a joint session of Congress, February 28, 2017

“On June 12, 2018, you reached an agreement with [the Justice Department] to resolve certain issues in dispute in this litigation, whereby [Justice] would conduct a search for records containing data of (i) all individuals convicted of all terrorism-related offenses (domestic and international) between 2001 and the date of the initial search, or (ii) all individuals convicted of all domestic terrorism-related offenses between 2001 and the date of the initial search… . [N]o responsive records were located.”

Justice Department letter to Benjamin Wittes, July 24, 2018

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:16:33pm

re: #58 makeitstop

Manafort’s defense, from the WaPo live blog: blame Rick Gates.

Party of Personal Responsibility, y’all.

That live blog is fascinating.

From the defense:

Zehnle said Manafort built “one of the most successful political consulting and government relations shops in Washington,” while also working on “the global stage.”

That work was not partisan, Zehnle said, pointing out that former Bernie Sanders strategist Tad Devine will also testify about working in Ukraine.

Manafort’s work for Yanukovych was to “bring the country closer to Western democracies after decades of Soviet rule” — toward the European Union and away from Russia. That comment was met with audible sneers from a few of those seated in the courtroom.

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gocart mozart  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:18:21pm
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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:18:35pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

How well does my enormous block list work I hear you not asking?

This was the only derp that got through. Dude has since been blocked.

ABB people, always be blocking.

Sometimes people just want to be blocked, it is the goal of their day. Oblige them.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:19:33pm

re: #66 MsJ

That live blog is fascinating.

From the defense:

Having worked for Bernie AND Trump does not make one bipartisan.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:21:07pm

re: #69 wrenchwench

Having worked for Bernie AND Trump does not make one bipartisan.

What comes out of THAT is going to be fascinating.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:22:57pm

Thread

Toward the end, how to acquire your own. And, a word of advice in doing so

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:24:06pm

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:24:59pm

re: #40 Belafon

And he doesn’t find out until he gets home.

And puts his feet up on his mother’s couch without removing his shoes.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:26:17pm

re: #71 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What logo is it?

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:29:14pm

re: #74 Belafon

What logo is it?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:29:46pm

I have very serious thoughts and you should take them seriously.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:30:10pm

re: #73 The Vicious Babushka

And puts his feet up on his mother’s white fabric couch without removing his shoes.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:31:14pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

Hey if those kids didn’t want to be eaten, they should have kept their parents from committing a misdemeanor.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:33:23pm

Prosecutors are already being asked to call their first witness. The judge is pushing this case forward.

Prosecutors intend to show that Manafort engaged in financial crimes to profit and defraud the government and surrounded himself with like minded people.

Manafort’s defense is: Gates did it all; he’s the one to blame for the problems. Manafort is an upstanding citizen who likes to make a lot of money advising people.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:33:42pm

re: #71 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

re: #75 wrenchwench

That’s funny.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:34:37pm

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

This is fun.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:36:54pm

re: #81 Big Beautiful Door

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:37:25pm

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

I HAZ A BIG SAD NOW.
Haha jk no I don’t.

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Womp womp.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:37:40pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:38:06pm

I can’t stand PETA and their stupid ass shenanigans but I really like their idea for rebranding the Redskins logo.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:42:30pm

re: #79 lawhawk

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Prosecutors are already being asked to call their first witness. The judge is pushing this case forward.

Prosecutors intend to show that Manafort engaged in financial crimes to profit and defraud the government and surrounded himself with like minded people.

Manafort’s defense is: Gates did it all; he’s the one to blame for the problems. Manafort is an upstanding citizen who likes to make a lot of money advising people.

What do you think of the defense?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:42:52pm
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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:47:58pm

re: #71 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Thread

Liberals and minorities are such delicate PC snowflakes that’s what’s wrong with American today and why we love Trump he’s not PC and OMG WHY ARE YOU WEARING THAT RACIST ANTI-AMERICAN SHIRT TAKE IT OFF RIGHT NOW OR ELSE!!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:48:23pm

Sorry, but to me, if you grab someone and refuse to show either ID or a warrant, any citizen can shoot you to prevent a kidnapping.

These ICE officers need to lose their jobs. Permanently. TODAY.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:48:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:49:24pm

re: #89 Blind Frog Belly White

Sorry, but to me, if you grab someone and refuse to show either ID or a warrant, any citizen can shoot you to prevent a kidnapping.

These ICE officers need to lose their jobs. Permanently. TODAY.

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American Gestapo.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:49:59pm
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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:50:57pm

re: #86 MsJ

Defense strategy is pretty weak - trying to blame it all on Gates, but it’s all they have short of going with the Chewbacca defense.

Can’t blame everything on Gates. And I’m sure Mueller’s got receipts showing Manafort directly engaged in criminal acts - Gates will corroborate, as will the other 34 witnesses.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:51:50pm

My understanding is that a number of UN allies have already sent over medical records and DNA samples from relatives of their missing service member,s whose remains may be included in those delivered.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:51:57pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

American Gestapo.

It’s time they were Ge-stopped.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:52:45pm

re: #93 lawhawk

Defense strategy is pretty weak - trying to blame it all on Gates, but it’s all they have short of going with the Chewbacca defense.

Can’t blame everything on Gates. And I’m sure Mueller’s got receipts showing Manafort directly engaged in criminal acts - Gates will corroborate, as will the other 34 witnesses.

If that’s all Manafort has got as a defense, he must be banking on a presidential pardon for his loyalty in not flipping.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:53:25pm
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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:54:24pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:56:07pm

I love this self own by the Koch funded Mercatus Center, which attempted to show that Medicare for all is too stupendously expensive to enact, but showed in its tables that the bill would save over $2 trillion in healthcare expenses over the first decade.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:58:28pm

Pence is here in NYC at a cybersecurity gathering, and he’s busy lying his ass off.

Trump already indicated that he trusts Putin when he said he didn’t hack. Nothing Trumpworld says on the matter can be trusted. Pence and Trump benefited from Russian involvement.

Trump personally called on Russia to hack Clinton.

Russian hackers responded within hours with a renewed effort to try and hack Democrats.

Mueller’s got those receipts too.

And a reminder: Manafort is the one who told Trump to pick Pence for VP. Pence was Trump’s transition chair, along with Flynn.

Flynn took a guilty plea.
Manafort’s on trial (and in jail currently).
Gates took a plea deal (and will be testifying against Manafort in this trial).

Pence is up to his eyeballs in wrongdoing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2018 • 1:58:32pm

re: #77 wheat-dogg

Have you landed somewhere or are you joining us from mid-air?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:00:24pm

re: #89 Blind Frog Belly White

Sorry, but to me, if you grab someone and refuse to show either ID or a warrant, any citizen can shoot you to prevent a kidnapping.

These ICE officers need to lose their jobs. Permanently. TODAY.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:00:32pm

re: #99 Big Beautiful Door

I love this self own by the Koch funded Mercatus Center, which attempted to show that Medicare for all is too stupendously expensive to enact, but showed in its tables that the bill would save over $2 trillion in healthcare expenses over the first decade.

They want people to be scared off by the topline figure - but the reality is that MFA would be a cost saver to the nation when you factor all the costs.

Yes, govt spending would go up, but the overall spending would decline significantly and this would benefit all Americans.

Mercatus should be lauded for giving an honest report on the matter. They didn’t bury the report.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:00:41pm

re: #100 lawhawk

Pence is here in NYC at a cybersecurity gathering, and he’s busy lying his ass off.

Trump already indicated that he trusts Putin when he said he didn’t hack. Nothing Trumpworld says on the matter can be trusted. Pence and Trump benefited from Russian involvement.

Trump personally called on Russia to hack Clinton.

Russian hackers responded within hours with a renewed effort to try and hack Democrats.

Mueller’s got those receipts too.

And a reminder: Manafort is the one who told Trump to pick Pence for VP. Pence was Trump’s transition chair, along with Flynn.

Flynn took a guilty plea.
Manafort’s on trial (and in jail currently).
Gates took a plea deal (and will be testifying against Manafort in this trial).

Pence is up to his eyeballs in wrongdoing.

What’s Pence doing at a cybersecurity gathering?

Oh, right, to get info for his Kremlin handlers.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:00:56pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

Have you landed somewhere or are you joining us from mid-air?

I took a break from flapping my arms to tweet before.

No, seriously, now I’m on the ground, waiting for my connecting flight.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:01:05pm

re: #99 Big Beautiful Door

I love this self own by the Koch funded Mercatus Center, which attempted to show that Medicare for all is too stupendously expensive to enact, but showed in its tables that the bill would save over $2 trillion in healthcare expenses over the first decade.

I had to point out the second part in a reply yesterday. Someone just put up “Medicare for All will cost $32 Trillion.” Most people will see that and think that’s for one year, not ten. Most people will also think that it means that they’ll be paying for that IN ADDITION to what they are currently paying. Most people will also not see that it covered everyone. And lots of people are programmed to think “government bad.” Telling them to pay that in taxes rather than to their insurance company will cause them to freak out.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:01:55pm
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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:01:57pm

United charges $5 an hour in economy for WiFi.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:05:51pm

dailykos.com:

Trump administration officials stammered and refused to answer U.S. Sen. Mazie Hirono’s question about whether they would send their own children to the migrant family jails that Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Matthew Albence tried to claim during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Tuesday are like “summer camps.”

“You would send your child to these centers?” the bad-ass from Hawaii asked Trump officials who were testifying about the administration’s barbaric “zero tolerance” policy kidnapping children from parents at the border. “Yes? No?”

“I—I—it’s—that’s a—that’s a difficult question to answer,” stammered Jennifer Higgins of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), who instead tried to blame parents for their children getting kidnapped, saying that “it’s difficult to put myself in the position of an individual who takes a dangerous journey in which their children would be harmed.”

“Mr. Albence,” Hirono said, moving on to Mr. Summer Camp himself, “would you send your child to [family residential centers]?”

“Again, I think we’re—we’re missing the point,” he replied, taking the baton from Higgins to accuse families fleeing violence of putting themselves into this position.

We get it, guys. Despite the fact that you won’t answer the question, we know that the truth is that not for 10 minutes would you incarcerate your family in these hellholes your administration is trying to pass off as “summer camps,” nor would any other decent human being. And, in carrying out these orders, you’re as guilty as the top officials who created them.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:09:31pm

The latest Manafort update:

5:04 p.m.: Devine describes how he came to work with Manafort in Ukraine

Tad Devine, who was Bernie Sanders’ chief strategist in the 2016 election, explained to jurors how he came to work with Paul Manafort in Ukraine. He said his then-partner, Mike Donilon, was contacted by Manafort’s then-partner, Richard Gates, in 2005 about working for the Party of Regions, a pro-Russia political party in Ukraine.

Devine said he has done work in nine countries, and at the time was coming off an international campaign. Donilon, Devine said, was busy with a domestic project, so Devine took the lead and went to Kiev.

“Even though I’m not familiar with the culture or other things in a country, I’m very familiar with campaigns,” Devine said, adding that he specialized in television ads.

Devine said he worked in Ukraine from 2005 to 2010 and returned briefly for a project in 2014. “It was an incredible operation,” he said of his first campaign there. Manafort had hired great people, he said, and had “substantial resources … I was really impressed by him.”

On the importance of financial backing, he said, “If you don’t have a lot of resources, how can you win?”

Devine said he learned from talking to people on his first trip that there had been “a lot of controversy” in Ukraine, including a revolution that forced Viktor Yanukovych, who was part of the Party of Regions, from power.

But he said people “believed Yanukovych had moved on and lost a lot of the people with him” who were controversial, that it was “a new election and a new time.” Yanukovych’s “standing was low,” Devine said, and he was seen as “part of the past.”

Yanukovych became “part of the future” — he was elected Prime Minister in 2006 — because of the “excellent campaign that Paul ran,” Devine said.

Devine described his relationship with Manafort as “friendly” and said he handed over many documents earlier this year in response to a subpoena.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:10:40pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:11:14pm
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jaunte  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:13:34pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:13:37pm

re: #106 Belafon

I had to point out the second part in a reply yesterday. Someone just put up “Medicare for All will cost $32 Trillion.” Most people will see that and think that’s for one year, not ten. Most people will also think that it means that they’ll be paying for that IN ADDITION to what they are currently paying. Most people will also not see that it covered everyone. And lots of people are programmed to think “government bad.” Telling them to pay that in taxes rather than to their insurance company will cause them to freak out.

They should also be told their income will go up because a big hunk of their compensation is tied up in pre-tax health insurance premiums (if their employer provides health insurance) and they won’t have deductibles or co-pays to meet, so for the vast majority of people Medicare-for-all is like found money, on top of the piece of mind of not having to worry about losing health insurance.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:15:21pm

re: #108 wheat-dogg

United charges $5 an hour in economy for WiFi.

I can read a book or the in-flight magazine until the flight’s over.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:17:59pm

It might be interesting for this white boy to wear that shirt here in Cowboys land.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:19:33pm

re: #113 jaunte

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Cowards like to look tough for their cultish base but too chickenshit to defend it.

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JordanRules  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:19:40pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:21:18pm
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:23:27pm
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JordanRules  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:24:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:25:18pm

re: #120 MsJ

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Fuck these people. Every last one of em who undermined our democracy for Putin.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:30:13pm
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:30:17pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Fuck these people. Every last one of em who undermined our democracy for Putin.

That’s really quite a fascinating article.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:31:02pm

re: #115 Big Beautiful Door

I can read a book or the in-flight magazine until the flight’s over.

I was on a 14-hour flight. I watched A Wrinkle in Time and all three parts of The Hobbit.

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gocart mozart  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:32:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:32:38pm

re: #104 Sir John Barron

What’s Pence doing at a cybersecurity gathering?

Oh, right, to get info for his Kremlin handlers.

don’t know why he’d bother…Kremlin already has the meeting bugged.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:34:58pm

OMFG. People are absolutely fucking insane.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:35:05pm

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka

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Yeah but we need to understand these people.// Trump cult.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:35:54pm

re: #128 MsJ

OMFG. People are absolutely fucking insane.

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These people are deranged and I blame Trump and RW propaganda for that.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:36:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:37:55pm
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jaunte  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:39:20pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Manafort’s wardrobe is another manifestation of that weird hoarder impulse taking over someone’s life that gets excused every time because “rich people are eccentric.”

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JordanRules  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:40:38pm

So much good muppet content today!

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JordanRules  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:41:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:41:58pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

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It’s a changeling.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:42:41pm

re: #135 JordanRules

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Oh? But Trump speaks for the people not the elites.//

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:42:58pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:43:20pm

re: #125 wheat-dogg

I was on a 14-hour flight. I watched A Wrinkle in Time and all three parts of The Hobbit.

I have been on those kind of flights when I went to China, though its been a decade since the last time I went.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:44:31pm

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka

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I’m really afraid that a Trumpette is going to shoot Acosta.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:44:34pm

Staff members at Shiloh admitted to signing off on medications in lieu of a parent, relative or legal guardian, according to Gee’s ruling. Government officials defended this practice, saying they provided these drugs only on “an emergency basis” when a child’s “extreme psychiatric symptoms” became dangerous.

The judge didn’t buy this explanation, pointing to testimony from children who said they were given pills “every morning and every night.” Officials “could not have possibly” administered medications to children on an emergency basis every day, Gee wrote.
washingtonpost.com

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:45:21pm

Children testified in court filings that staff with the U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement would sometimes not tell them what drugs they were being given or why. They recalled feeling side effects such as nausea, dizziness, depression and weight gain. Some reported being forcibly injected with drugs, and others said they felt that refusing medications would cause them to be detained longer.

“I witnessed staff members forcefully give medication four times,” one child held at Shiloh, identified as Isabella M., said. “. . . Two staff members pinned down the girl . . . and a doctor gave her one or two injections.”

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:46:26pm

“…The judge ordered Shiloh to stop using any unessential security measures, such as denying children drinking water, and demanded officials allow children at Shiloh to speak privately over the phone.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:47:16pm

re: #143 jaunte

“…The judge ordered Shiloh to stop using any unessential security measures, such as denying children drinking water, and demanded officials allow children at Shiloh to speak privately over the phone.”

Crimes against humanity; committed by our government.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:47:57pm

re: #139 Big Beautiful Door

I have been on those kind of flights when I went to China, though its been a decade since the last time I went.

It felt like a decade to me. //

In fact, it was a very nice flight. Economy was completely booked, so I got seated in Economy Plus at new extra charge. My seat mates were a mid-30s woman prepping for an exam and her 6-year-old daughter. I got to play tall helpful gentlemen fetching bags from the overhead bin for the two shorter people.

I got.snacks.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:48:00pm
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JordanRules  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:50:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:54:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2018 • 2:55:51pm

re: #113 jaunte

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says a lot that the second person from the right, at the end of the clip, thinks it’s appropriate to laugh when the Senator asks “nobody knows???”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2018 • 3:00:25pm

re: #146 jaunte

Huh. So, I’m gonna hazard a guess that planning was also zero.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2018 • 3:01:58pm

re: #85 The Vicious Babushka

I can’t stand PETA and their stupid ass shenanigans but I really like their idea for rebranding the Redskins logo.

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You ‘ll be happy to know it’s not original with them. I first heard it around 1990. It seemed like a good idea.

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austin_blue  Jul 31, 2018 • 3:30:34pm

re: #5 JordanRules

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We were there in April. It DOES look like Hogwarts. And they have a really really great Charles Rennie Mackintosh retrospective right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2018 • 3:33:24pm

re: #152 austin_blue

We were there in April. It DOES look like Hogwarts. And they have a really really great Charles Rennie Mackintosh retrospective right now.

Parts of St. John’s College in Oxford looks like Hogwarts, too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2018 • 3:50:53pm

re: #119 goddamnedfrank

Love your new Twitter nic.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2018 • 5:14:57pm

re: #147 JordanRules

Doesn’t that open up two more spots to be filled?


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