The Bob Cesca Podcast: A Fool’s Errand

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

A Fool’s Errand — NSFW! The Goth Ninjas are here; Jody Hamilton and TRex David Ferguson; We recap Mueller’s first and apparently only public statement about his report; Our political leadership is failing us during an existential crisis; Trump doesn’t understand impeachment; Pelosi says impeachment is a fool’s errand; Michael Beschloss on the House’s responsibility to impeach; Schiff says Mueller didn’t move the needle; with music by The Bitter Elegance and The Dye; and much more!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 5:20:40pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 5:24:49pm

Shorter trump: beatings will stop when morale improves.

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Belafon  May 30, 2019 • 5:25:28pm

From the previous thread:

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

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DangerMan  May 30, 2019 • 5:30:04pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We’re gonna slap tariffs on Mexico for people passing thru there who are not breaking their laws

Oh and we’re gonna break the law and not allow them in here to assert their asylum rights

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Patricia Kayden  May 30, 2019 • 5:33:12pm
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plansbandc  May 30, 2019 • 5:33:37pm

Guess he wants to make sure to tank the economy. Fucking asshole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 5:35:48pm
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Belafon  May 30, 2019 • 5:37:16pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yep, how does he get us to stop talking about impeachment? He threatens people’s lives.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 5:38:33pm

WINNING!!11!!

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DodgerFan1988  May 30, 2019 • 5:38:59pm

“It’s the illegals’ fault!” Yeah, I’m seeing a lot of Right Wing tweets saying that.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 30, 2019 • 5:40:25pm

Well, speaking of the border, we just got back from Canada. The border crossing at the Detroit/Windsor Tunnel was empty! We got waved right through and the CBP officer did not even want to hear about the Montreal hot dogs or the Shoppers Drug Mart OTC opioids. HAVE A NICE DAY he yelled while waiting for his shift to be over.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 5:42:00pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 30, 2019 • 5:42:15pm

I’m not sure how that will kick-start the trade agreement approval.

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Charles Johnson  May 30, 2019 • 5:43:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 5:43:15pm
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DangerMan  May 30, 2019 • 5:44:06pm

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

Well, speaking of the border, we just got back from Canada. The border crossing at the Detroit/Windsor Tunnel was empty! We got waved right through and the CBP officer did not even want to hear about the Montreal hot dogs or the Shoppers Drug Mart OTC opioids. HAVE A NICE DAY he yelled while waiting for his shift to be over.

What about the case of Molson?

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DangerMan  May 30, 2019 • 5:44:48pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Irony is lost on these people

So is planning and coordination

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Charles Johnson  May 30, 2019 • 5:45:01pm
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DangerMan  May 30, 2019 • 5:45:36pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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House votes no

Next?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 30, 2019 • 5:45:39pm

re: #16 DangerMan

What about the case of Molson?

We drank it all.

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DangerMan  May 30, 2019 • 5:46:45pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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When the only tool you have is a tariff, every problem looks like a nail

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 5:46:58pm
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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 5:47:07pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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The wealthy are well-positioned to pick the carcasses clean just like ten years ago

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gocart mozart  May 30, 2019 • 5:49:20pm

re: #13 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

I’m not sure how that will kick-start the trade agreement approval.

Did he say “kick start?” He meant “kick in the balls”

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  May 30, 2019 • 5:52:42pm

Just what we need another tariff on things like produce that we buy every day. It’s bad enough that the cost of groceries has gone up even more over the past few months. Every week I shop and every week it seems to be more expensive.

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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 5:55:33pm

re: #25 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Just what we need another tariff on things like produce that we buy every day. It’s bad enough that the cost of groceries has gone up even more over the past few months. Every week I shop and every week it seems to be more expensive.

Sure but that average $3000 tax cut buys a lot of lettuce
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Mescalero09  May 30, 2019 • 5:57:32pm

Just saw this.

Leon Redbone has passed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 6:03:12pm
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Charles Johnson  May 30, 2019 • 6:03:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 6:04:33pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 30, 2019 • 6:04:50pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 30, 2019 • 6:07:53pm
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gocart mozart  May 30, 2019 • 6:09:57pm
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EPR-radar  May 30, 2019 • 6:12:04pm

re: #32 Patricia Kayden

I like how Giuliani thinks GOP lawmakers would be able to shred Mueller in questioning.

Being a meathead is a prerequisite for being a GOP lawmaker, so I don’t think they are capable of shredding Mueller in questioning, even if the fact pattern were favorable (narrator’s voice: it isn’t).

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 6:16:04pm

re: #34 EPR-radar

I like how Giuliani thinks GOP lawmakers would be able to shred Mueller in questioning.

Being a meathead is a prerequisite for being a GOP lawmaker, so I don’t think they are capable of shredding Mueller in questioning, even if the fact pattern were favorable (narrator’s voice: it isn’t).

I think they will try and make him look bad and it will backfire. Bring it on. and then impeach the MF POS in the white house.

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Charles Johnson  May 30, 2019 • 6:16:57pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 6:19:41pm

Facebook

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 6:19:46pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

RBG needs an official food taster or something.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 6:20:54pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Upding for human slab.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 30, 2019 • 6:27:59pm

re: #25 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Just what we need another tariff on things like produce that we buy every day. It’s bad enough that the cost of groceries has gone up even more over the past few months. Every week I shop and every week it seems to be more expensive.

Actually, most of what we import from Mexico is machines and such. Although with respect to groceries, every little bit hurts.

Still on the fence as to whether this will happen, but not yet ready to sell short. Remember the 30% tariff on Mexico?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 6:29:03pm

Possible upside: The Mexican tariffs piss off enough residents to turn Texas blue.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 6:29:29pm

re: #32 Patricia Kayden

NEW— In a significant shift, Trump’s top advisers are now eager to see Mueller testify on the Hill, hoping conservative lawmakers can undermine his credibility

It was entertaining to see the video clip of the Fox News viewer who watched the Mueller press conference and was shocked to learn that the Mueller Report did not, in fact, exonerate Trump. Unless Fox limits coverage of Mueller’s testimony to the interrogation by Republican lawmakers only — a very likely scenario, a few of their viewers may come to their senses.

I know that MSNBC occasionally cut away from the Barr Senate interview to their panel because Republicans would give speeches instead of asking legitimate questions. Fox could do the same (except Fox would ignore legitimate questions and go with GOP diatribes).

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 6:30:18pm

I think I need some time off. latter

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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 6:30:38pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

Possible upside: The Mexican tariffs piss off enough residents to turn Texas blue.

Can you explain why that would be? Not contesting just don’t understand

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 6:32:14pm

re: #44 Old Liberal

Can you explain why that would be? Not contesting just don’t understand

Mexico does a ton of trade with Texas. The tarriffs would fuck all that up.

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steve_davis  May 30, 2019 • 6:32:19pm

my portfolio is literally designed for a recession, and I’m still getting my ass kicked because this kind of crap isn’t even “normal business cycle” type of stuff.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 6:33:49pm

re: #46 steve_davis

Nope. It’s crazy ass Trump stuff.

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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 6:34:59pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

Mexico does a ton of trade with Texas. The tarriffs would fuck all that up.

Don’t they love drumpf too much? Won’t they be like Midwest farmers? Take it for the donald?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 6:36:06pm

Heh, did you all know there’s an AOC comic book series?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 30, 2019 • 6:37:02pm

I can’t decide who is the bigger garbage, Steve Crowder or Ben Shapiro.

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gocart mozart  May 30, 2019 • 6:37:04pm
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retired cynic  May 30, 2019 • 6:37:31pm

washingtonpost.com

Jennifer Rubin has laid out, day by day, how she thinks the Democrats in the House should work the evidence. She says it is right that Americans won’t read the report, so take it a day at a time and force-feed them.

One comment:

Robert Mueller yesterday said he would not stray from the record of his work or answer hypotheticals. That is not good enough. Ask this question at a Congressional Committee hearing.

‘Mr Mueller, around 100 former prosecuters have reviewed your evidence in Part II of your report and concluded that, but for the DoJ guidelines which state that you cannot indict a sitting president, the catagoloue of evidence provided in your report would be enough to bring charges of obstruction of justice.

Mr Mueller, if the DoJ guidelines had not been in place, do you concur with the view of arond 1000 other former prosecuters that absent those guidelines the evidence you have presented is sufficient to bring charges of obstruction of justice?’

If Mueller answers ‘yes ‘to that question then impeachment must quickly follow. If the answer is ‘no’ or ‘insufficient evidence’ then Trump must have his day.

Either way, Mueller must stop his ‘coy mistress’ approach and spell out in simple and direct terms in public Congressional hearing what he believes to be true.
Mueller is a decent, honourable servant of the Constitution and the Rule of Law. He deserves our thanks for his painstaking work. Yet his inability to speak plainly on these matters means that, to the majority of the American public, his findings remain a cypher. A puzzle to be worked out providing room for interpetation and ambiguity.

Mueller needs to spell out his findings in plain and direct terms in the public arena of a Congressional hearing. This is Mueller’s ‘Profiles in Courage’ moment. It remains to be seen after a lifetime of militay and public service, if he can rise to this last and greatest challenge; to plainly speak truth to power and most importantly, to the American people, so there is no hiding place for the Presidential corruption and distain for the rule of law that is now the ‘new normal’ in American politics.

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retired cynic  May 30, 2019 • 6:39:06pm

re: #52 retired cynic

Obvious typo. 100 should be 1000. I cut and pasted, but missed that.

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gocart mozart  May 30, 2019 • 6:42:52pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 30, 2019 • 6:44:41pm

Note, the bottom tweet is from 5 May

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BlueGrl21  May 30, 2019 • 6:50:23pm

re: #48 Old Liberal

Don’t they love drumpf too much? Won’t they be like Midwest farmers? Take it for the donald?

No.

Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, and Austin are blue. South Texas is blue. It’s the rural areas and suburbs that are the issue. Suburbs swung blue the last election. Rural is the holdout.

Texas is massive. Generalizing is dangerous.

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DangerMan  May 30, 2019 • 6:53:28pm

re: #25 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Just what we need another tariff on things like produce that we buy every day. It’s bad enough that the cost of groceries has gone up even more over the past few months. Every week I shop and every week it seems to be more expensive.

Congress could stop this in a minute by forcefully taking back the tariff authority they gave up in their sleep

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Belafon  May 30, 2019 • 6:57:26pm

re: #56 BlueGrl21

No.

Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, and Austin are liberal. South Texas is liberal. It’s the rural areas and suburbs that are the issue. Suburbs swung blue the last election. Rural is the holdout.

Texas is massive. Generalizing is dangerous.

Like someone said, if we could get Ft. Worth to turn, things would really start shaking up.

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DangerMan  May 30, 2019 • 6:58:40pm

re: #46 steve_davis

my portfolio is literally designed for a recession, and I’m still getting my ass kicked because this kind of crap isn’t even “normal business cycle” type of stuff.

Normal business cycle is when the prez mostly keeps his yap shut and his paws off the economy

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 6:59:09pm

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

Well, speaking of the border, we just got back from Canada. The border crossing at the Detroit/Windsor Tunnel was empty! We got waved right through and the CBP officer did not even want to hear about the Montreal hot dogs or the Shoppers Drug Mart OTC opioids. HAVE A NICE DAY he yelled while waiting for his shift to be over.

We just arrived in Michigan from Ontario this morning. Little wait at the Blue Water Bridge. Customs only asked about our license plate (my two-digit registration usually gets that) and if we were carrying anything to declare. (I didn’t declare the metric fuquetonne of Tim Horton’s ground coffee in the back, though I did declare the cigarettes.)

I popped in to my hometown to visit my cousin on a surprise. “Hi, we were just passing through the area, and since tomorrow’s my birthday, I thought I would give you me as a birthday present.”

We spent several hours together visiting, went out to dinner with her eldest daughter and her grandchildren, then went our separate ways.

Tomorrow we will arrive in Chicago to visit my mother. My step-father is back in the hospital today in isolation with a returned c. diff infection. When we called from Chicopee, he said he wanted to see us.

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Charles Johnson  May 30, 2019 • 7:00:59pm
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DangerMan  May 30, 2019 • 7:01:46pm

re: #52 retired cynic

washingtonpost.com

Jennifer Rubin has laid out, day by day, how she thinks the Democrats in the House should work the evidence. She says it is right that Americans won’t read the report, so take it a day at a time and force-feed them.

One comment:

There are lots of thisngs, fact based things, they can ask meueller that are not hypothetical or covered in the report

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 7:08:47pm

re: #52 retired cynic

washingtonpost.com

Jennifer Rubin has laid out, day by day, how she thinks the Democrats in the House should work the evidence. She says it is right that Americans won’t read the report, so take it a day at a time and force-feed them.

One comment:
…….
Mueller needs to spell out his findings in plain and direct terms in the public arena of a Congressional hearing. This is Mueller’s ‘Profiles in Courage’ moment. It remains to be seen after a lifetime of militay and public service, if he can rise to this last and greatest challenge; to plainly speak truth to power and most importantly, to the American people, so there is no hiding place for the Presidential corruption and distain for the rule of law that is now the ‘new normal’ in American politics.
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Speaking truth to power yes — plainly speaking truth to power? that’s not within his toolkit.

It reminds me of Prax, a character in Book 2(?) of the Expanse series. Prax is being subjected to interrogation and confesses the truth, knowing that he will be executed; the interrogators were so confused by his statements, they released him. He even tried to explain his culpability further, but they did not want to hear anything more. Mueller is the same. He has his way of addressing issues — and a simple yes or no is beyond his capability.

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retired cynic  May 30, 2019 • 7:10:28pm

Juanita Jean’s snark always gets me. The Best.

And it is a come on for an editorial in Esquire by Jack Holmes.

President Fox News Grandpa Just Went Ballistic Outside the White House and We All Just Act Like It’s Thursday

It’s time to stop pretending Donald Trump is some particularly eccentric character operating in a functioning democratic system. He is unstable, and he is a menace.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 7:14:05pm

re: #13 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

I’m not sure how that will kick-start the trade agreement approval.

This morning CBC Radio One noted that Justin Trudeau tabled the “new NAFTA” (as he called it) in the House of Commons.

This doesn’t just screw with us, it screws with both Mexico and Canada. I imagine the Prime Minister wasn’t happy to hear Trump’s ludicrous demand on Mexico today.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 7:17:22pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

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We ended up with a mess because Republicans thought Trump would be a good President.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 7:18:40pm

Yesteday when we crossed from New York to Ontario, we took a side trip to Niagara Falls. (My wife has not been there since she was a small child.)

Horseshoe Falls
American Falls and Rainbow Bridge
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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 7:19:54pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

Yesteday when we crossed from New York to Ontario, we took a side trip to Niagara Falls. (My wife has not been there since she was a small child.)

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Beautiful

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 7:20:37pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

We ended up with a mess because Republicans thought Trump would be a good President. were willing to sink to any low to beat Hillary Clinton.

FTFY.

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retired cynic  May 30, 2019 • 7:20:48pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

Yesteday when we crossed from New York to Ontario, we took a side trip to Niagara Falls. (My wife has not been there since she was a small child.)

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I remember doing that when I was quite young. Family Vacay. Glad you did that.

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retired cynic  May 30, 2019 • 7:21:03pm

Bruce Springsteen - Tucson Train (Official Video)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 7:21:19pm

oh…

and the moron also retweeted this:

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 7:22:45pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

FTFY.

Yep$

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 7:23:50pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…

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Exceeding his role? Uh no Dersh but nice try. Mueller isn’t Kenneth Starr.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 7:24:39pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

We ended up with a mess because Republicans thought Trump would be a good President.

Washington Republicans only wanted someone to sign legislation they created; they didn’t care about the President’s competence, only that he would nominate the judges they wanted and approve the laws that helped the wealthy. They didn’t care about a “good” President. They are quite content with his domestic policies.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 7:25:30pm

re: #70 retired cynic

I remember doing that when I was quite young. Family Vacay. Glad you did that.

I am as well. I’ve been to Niagara Falls before (several times on trips from Virginia Beach to Michigan), but when my wife said she hadn’t been since she was about three, it was a side trip to Niagara Falls, Ontario for a visit.

CAN$20 to park is a bit steep.

We probably would have gotten all the way to Michigan yesterday except for my scenic side trip. It was worth it though. My wife and I had our honeymoon at a Superfund cleanup site in Colorado, so we finally did the married people thing.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 7:25:38pm

re: #75 Hecuba’s daughter

Washington Republicans only wanted someone to sign legislation they created; they didn’t care about the President’s competence, only that he would nominate the judges they wanted and approve the laws that helped the wealthy. They didn’t care about a “good” President. They are quite content with his domestic policies.

I meant the people who nominated him. The GOP rank and file thought he was a good idea.

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gocart mozart  May 30, 2019 • 7:26:20pm

re: #71 retired cynic

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 7:26:47pm

re: #75 Hecuba’s daughter

Washington Republicans only wanted someone to sign legislation they created; they didn’t care about the President’s competence, only that he would nominate the judges they wanted and approve the laws that helped the wealthy. They didn’t care about a “good” President. They are quite content with his domestic policies.

He’s Grover Norquist’s ultimate president.

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gocart mozart  May 30, 2019 • 7:27:58pm
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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 7:28:25pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

I meant the people who nominated him.

I know some people who voted for him — and most still love him and think he’s a great President — that he is actually very intelligent.

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stpaulbear  May 30, 2019 • 7:30:28pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

Yesteday when we crossed from New York to Ontario, we took a side trip to Niagara Falls. (My wife has not been there since she was a small child.)

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Recently I spent an afternoon going down a YouTube rabbit hole and watched this documentary about Niagra Falls. It doesn’t start out very promising, but it wound up being pretty interesting and covered a lot of territory. It made me want to visit the falls.

Niagara: A History of The Falls (Documentary)

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Belafon  May 30, 2019 • 7:30:49pm

re: #64 retired cynic

Juanita Jean’s snark always gets me. The Best.

And it is a come on for an editorial in Esquire by Jack Holmes.

President Fox News Grandpa Just Went Ballistic Outside the White House and We All Just Act Like It’s Thursday

Everyone who reads the article, or who gets told about the article, already knows he’s unhinged. Many of us would throw him out in a heartbeat if it were up to us.

But it’s not us. It’s all those people who don’t pay attention, who don’t watch him every day, that don’t know how he’s really acting.

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Patricia Kayden  May 30, 2019 • 7:31:05pm

re: #81 Hecuba’s daughter

I know some people who voted for him — and most still love him and think he’s a great President — that he is actually very intelligent.

If they consider him to be intelligent, they must be quite dumb. He’s a stupid man. His poor grammar and writing errors are embarrassing for a man of his wealth and stature. Any private school education was obviously wasted on him.

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Charles Johnson  May 30, 2019 • 7:31:09pm
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Barefoot Grin  May 30, 2019 • 7:31:23pm

re: #80 gocart mozart

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Sounds like lit nerds. Like.

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gocart mozart  May 30, 2019 • 7:33:41pm
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gocart mozart  May 30, 2019 • 7:34:56pm
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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 7:37:00pm

re: #84 Patricia Kayden

If they consider him to be intelligent, they must be quite dumb. He’s a stupid man. His poor grammar and writing errors are embarrassing for a man of his wealth and stature. Any private school education was obviously wasted on him.

I’m not sure how much time they actually listen to him as opposed to listening to his media enablers or reading political newsletters. They are not necessarily reading his tweets. If you have been brainwashed, you perceive all his actions through your delusional state. You think he is mocking the elites and “libtards”.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 7:41:38pm

The first copy of my novel sold on Amazon. A few million more and I can retire. (Also, when I become a multi millionaire, I’m going to have to ask for a huge tax cut).

bit.ly

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TedStriker  May 30, 2019 • 7:43:07pm

re: #90 I Would Prefer Not To

The first copy of my novel sold on Amazon. A few million more and I can retire. (Also, when I become a multi millionaire, I’m going to have to ask for a huge tax cut).

bit.ly

Of course, if you price it at $5 million a copy, you only have to sell one…

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 7:44:25pm

re: #91 TedStriker

Of course, if you price it at $5 million a copy, you only have to sell one…

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Then I would need an even bigger tax cut.

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Charles Johnson  May 30, 2019 • 7:45:06pm
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Dr Lizardo  May 30, 2019 • 7:45:54pm

re: #87 gocart mozart

Heh.

Rapaport is right - if Trump doesn’t win re-election next November, there’s a very distinct possibility that his post-Presidential years will be spent cooling his heels in the slammer……and quite possibly, for the rest of his life.

And his kids might very well end up there too.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 7:53:15pm

re: #94 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

Rapaport is right - if Trump doesn’t win re-election next November, there’s a very distinct possibility that his post-Presidential years will be spent cooling his heels in the slammer……and quite possibly, for the rest of his life.

And his kids might very well end up there too.

not unless the states go after him. There is going to be a huge push by the same assholes that are defending him now for “forgiveness,” and “it’s time to move on,” or he’ll be too feeble to defend himself in court, etc., etc. etc. I think our best hope is that NY state and a few others go after his ill-gotten gains. It’s not as good as jail, but I do believe he will be one the hook for millions that he doesn’t have.

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Patricia Kayden  May 30, 2019 • 7:56:17pm

re: #90 I Would Prefer Not To

Congrats!! Quite an accomplishment.

P.S. Trump’s tax cut should come in handy for you.

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Dr Lizardo  May 30, 2019 • 7:58:24pm

re: #95 I Would Prefer Not To

not unless the states go after him. There is going to be a huge push by the same assholes that are defending him now for “forgiveness,” and “it’s time to move on,” or he’ll be too feeble to defend himself in court, etc., etc. etc. I think our best hope is that NY state and a few others go after his ill-gotten gains. It’s not as good as jail, but I do believe he will be one the hook for millions that he doesn’t have.

I’m keeping my fingers crossed that NY state will go after him aggressively.

As far as “forgiveness”, or “with Malice toward none, with charity for all” (a quote from Abe Lincoln) my response on that is, “Not this time, buddy”.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 7:58:40pm

re: #80 gocart mozart

Is Sarah Kendzior channeling her inner Rebecca Shoenkopf?

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 8:02:16pm

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

I’m keeping my fingers crossed that NY state will go after him aggressively.

As far as “forgiveness”, or “with Malice toward none, with charity for all” (a quote from Abe Lincoln) my response on that is, “Not this time, buddy”.

And it’s not like he’s shown any regret at all.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 8:02:16pm

Good evening from me and Eisley.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 8:02:56pm

A Few Thoughts On Pete Buttigieg’s Dick Brother-In-Law Who Doesn’t ‘Agree’ With Chasten’s ‘Gay Lifestyle’ (Goes to Wonkette)

It’s usually bad form to begin writing a piece by telling the reader why you’re writing about something, or the feelings you have approaching that subject, or that thing your mom used to say about something related to that subject, because if that’s what people wanted to read, they’d be reading your autobiography. We’re going to do it anyway, though, because we read the Washington Post profile and interview of Chasten Buttigieg a few weeks back, about how he was rejected by his family, experienced homelessness, and now, at the ripe old age of 29, it’s at least theoretically possible he could end up being America’s first First Gentleman, and also America’s first gay presidential spouse. And then, today, we read in the Washington Examiner that his older brother, Rhyan Glezman, a country church preacher in Michigan, is freely telling the media that he’s feeling downright TRIGGERED by the Post’s account of his family’s reaction to Chasten coming out, because it makes them look like bigots, when in reality he loves Chasten. He just doesn’t accept Chasten’s “lifestyle” and thinks he’s going to hell probably, but he loves him. (For the record, it sounds like Chasten’s mom and dad have come around. Good for them!)

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That ol’ “love the sinner, hate the sin” stuff you get from Christians. Of course when the sin is who you are, that really means you hate the sinner. That’s the part they don’t seem to connect.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 30, 2019 • 8:03:18pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Belafon  May 30, 2019 • 8:03:28pm

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

I’m keeping my fingers crossed that NY state will go after him aggressively.

As far as “forgiveness”, or “with Malice toward none, with charity for all” (a quote from Abe Lincoln) my response on that is, “Not this time, buddy”.

Because Trump has been threatening to go after political opponents, the Republicans will characterize any indictments as Democrats going after political opponents, but I told my dad that we are going to need a president to do just that. And the list of Democratic candidates who will shrinks to a very small group.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 30, 2019 • 8:10:14pm

“… The Washington Post reports:

In phone calls, White House meetings and conversations aboard Air Force One during the past several months, Trump has aggressively pushed Dickinson, N.D.-based Fisher Industries to Department of Homeland Security leaders and Lt. Gen. Todd Semonite, the commanding general of the Army Corps, according to the administration officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal discussions.

…
… Fisher is a curious choice. The company is already suing the government after being rejected for any Army Corps contract for the border wall. Fisher was one of the companies that participated in a prototype exercise outside San Diego in 2017, but the company’s wall didn’t meet the specifications laid out by the Department of Homeland Security, which wanted a wall that agents could see through. Instead, Fisher pushed a more expensive, concrete wall, similar to the one that Trump promised during the 2016 presidential campaign. But the Fisher prototype was late and over budget. …”

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makeitstop  May 30, 2019 • 8:11:54pm

Game 1 of the NBA Finals is a pretty exciting game.

Toronto is hanging with Golden State pretty well. In fact, they held on through the 3rd quarter and have a lead in the fourth.

Can they hang with GS for the whole series? That’s the question. But I’ll admit they’re doing a lot better than I thought they would in this game.

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Ace Rothstein  May 30, 2019 • 8:15:55pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

Possible upside: The Mexican tariffs piss off enough residents to turn Texas blue.

We’re already getting close. Beto only lost by 2.8%.

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stpaulbear  May 30, 2019 • 8:16:42pm

re: #104 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The company is already suing the government after being rejected for any Army Corps contract for the border wall.

Trump promised!!

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Belafon  May 30, 2019 • 8:17:34pm

re: #106 Ace Rothstein

We’re already getting close. Beto only lost by 2.8%.

While winning more votes than Obama did in 2012. We just have to figure out how to get a few more people and discourage a few more Republicans.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 8:19:20pm

re: #105 makeitstop

Game 1 of the NBA Finals is a pretty exciting game.

Toronto is hanging with Golden State pretty well. In fact, they held on through the 3rd quarter and have a lead in the fourth.

Can they hang with GS for the whole series? That’s the question. But I’ll admit they’re doing a lot better than I thought they would in this game.

On CBC Radio One today there were interviews of Toronto Raptors fans who were complaining about getting tickets to the game.

One of the first things the Progressive Conservatives did under Stephen Harper was get rid of ticket scalping laws (they interfere with the free market, don’tcha know).

Scalpers bought up huge blocks of tickets and were reselling them for about CAN$10,000 each. Hometown fans who’ve been waiting throughout the franchise’s existence for this moment can not go to the games because only rich douchecanoes can afford the tickets.

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Ace Rothstein  May 30, 2019 • 8:22:42pm

re: #105 makeitstop

The best part of this Final is that the teams are two of the most liberal cities in North America.

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dirkdigglerjr  May 30, 2019 • 8:22:51pm

re: #94 Dr Lizardo

Let’s say Trump loses and voluntarily leaves office. Immediately thereafter we will hear how he has full-blown Alzheimer’s disease and should not face any prosecution. A teary-eyed Ivanka will plead on behalf of her father, and all will be “forgiven.”

Meanwhile, the bitter 2021-22 recession will be blamed on the Democrats, and we will see huge gains by the GOP in 2022. Folks, we are headed toward a totalitarian state thanks to Citizens United, a hard-right Supreme Court, and the Constitutional Convention movement.

We might as well start practicing our goose stepping.

Think not? Did you imagine us being where we are now just 3 years ago?

I work with these folks. I hear their conversations while reading this thread at lunch, and I watch them proudly wear their MAGA hats at Earth, Wind and Fire concerts (seriously!).

The disease has been carefully cultivated and unleashed. FFVCS is just the tip of the iceberg and we are the fucking Titanic.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 8:23:48pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 30, 2019 • 8:24:31pm

re: #104 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

And I would guess that at least some of that money will end up in Trump’s pockets via kickbacks. This is the ultimate grift.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 30, 2019 • 8:25:31pm

re: #112 Anymouse 🌹

And what is that “legal admissions process”? Oh, there isn’t one? Well, you can just go fuck yourself with a rusty spork, Mr. Not-Quite-President.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 8:26:29pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Just wait till Trump defaults on the National Debt…

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 30, 2019 • 8:26:55pm

re: #111 dirkdigglerjr

I think Trump knows he’s gone in 2021, so he’s doing everything he can to tank the country, knowing full well that Democrats will be taking over during the collapse. And the GOP will be blaming them for it. Works every time.

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dirkdigglerjr  May 30, 2019 • 8:29:06pm

On the underdog note, Raptors poised to take Game 1.

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Ace Rothstein  May 30, 2019 • 8:30:19pm

re: #115 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just wait until China unloads our national debt.

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Ace Rothstein  May 30, 2019 • 8:30:46pm

re: #116 GlutenFreeJesus

Cynical. And 100% accurate.

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Ace Rothstein  May 30, 2019 • 8:31:13pm

re: #117 dirkdigglerjr

They were favored tonight.

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dirkdigglerjr  May 30, 2019 • 8:33:52pm

re: #119 Ace Rothstein

“The cynics are right nine times out of 10.” - Mencken

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Dr Lizardo  May 30, 2019 • 8:34:34pm

re: #116 GlutenFreeJesus

I think Trump knows he’s gone in 2021, so he’s doing everything he can to tank the country, knowing full well that Democrats will be taking over during the collapse. And the GOP will be blaming them for it. Works every time.

That sounds pretty accurate - straight out of the Trump playbook.

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dirkdigglerjr  May 30, 2019 • 8:35:28pm

re: #120 Ace Rothstein

Favored by 1 which means actually an underdog when you throw in the 2-point homecourt advantage. I took them tonight figuring this would be their best shot. Also took them plus-220 for the series.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 8:37:24pm

re: #115 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just wait till Trump defaults on the National Debt…

Since most of the national debt is savings bonds and such, I imagine people will be at the White House with pitchforks and torches.

On top of that, I imagine a number of investment houses, banks, and traders will be ready to sacrifice their pet conservative politicians.

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Ace Rothstein  May 30, 2019 • 8:37:33pm

re: #123 dirkdigglerjr

And there goes Drake running his mouth at Draymond. Drake is total overrated trash.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 8:39:07pm

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

That sounds pretty accurate - straight out of the Trump playbook.

That’s straight out of the conservative playbook for the last hundred years or so. Trump is just the latest face of this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 8:41:09pm

re: #105 makeitstop

Game 1 of the NBA Finals is a pretty exciting game.

Toronto is hanging with Golden State pretty well. In fact, they held on through the 3rd quarter and have a lead in the fourth.

Can they hang with GS for the whole series? That’s the question. But I’ll admit they’re doing a lot better than I thought they would in this game.

Raptors take Game 1! Wish I was back in T.O. to enjoy the fun. 🙂

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 8:43:11pm

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

Raptors take Game 1! Wish I was back in T.O. to enjoy the fun. 🙂

You wouldn’t be enjoying it at the game unless you had ten large to buy a ticket from a scalper.

Toronto downtown on Yonge Street is probably a madhouse right now.

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makeitstop  May 30, 2019 • 8:43:39pm

re: #117 dirkdigglerjr

On the underdog note, Raptors poised to take Game 1.

Only gotta do it three more times. I’m still not convinced that they can do it.

And Drake should just sit the hell down. Jawing with Draymond Green isn’t the smartest idea. That’s gonna just give Golden State another reason to work harder.

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Dave In Austin  May 30, 2019 • 8:44:48pm
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dirkdigglerjr  May 30, 2019 • 8:44:58pm

re: #120 Ace Rothstein

BTW, Kid A is my favorite album(?), CD (?) - er, musical release. And the University of Arizona band did a kick-ass Radiohead performance a few years back.

2006 Pride Of Arizona Radiohead Part1 And 2 Uw Game - VideoDart.com

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makeitstop  May 30, 2019 • 8:45:40pm

re: #125 Ace Rothstein

And there goes Drake running his mouth at Draymond. Drake is total overrated trash.

Seriously. Dude should just sit in his rich guy seat and STFU.

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Ace Rothstein  May 30, 2019 • 8:46:05pm

re: #131 dirkdigglerjr

A classic. Have to listen to it from track one to the end.

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dirkdigglerjr  May 30, 2019 • 8:47:20pm

re: #125 Ace Rothstein

Not the smartest strategy. But had to find someway to make himself part of the sports talking heads for Friday.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 8:48:14pm

re: #130 Dave In Austin

This “attempted coup” stuff from the GOP is both getting old and concerning. Old because they’re all saying that. Concerning because everything that has been done is strictly by the Constitution, which they are calling a coup.

Since it is projection with conservatives always, it sounds like they want a coup to overthrow the Constitution.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 8:56:08pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

That’s why I love Elizabeth! She has a backbone and will call out the racists at 19th Century Fox.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 9:17:32pm

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

You wouldn’t be enjoying it at the game unless you had ten large to buy a ticket from a scalper.

Toronto downtown on Yonge Street is probably a madhouse right now.

Oh hell no! I wouldn’t go to the arena. I’d find a bar or restaurant or somewhere to watch it.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 30, 2019 • 11:51:08pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

We ended up with a mess because Republicans thought Trump would be a good President.

They thought Trump would be a happy figurehead with the trappings of office while they went about carrying out their conservative/reactionary economic and social agenda. (The latter why the evangelicals are slavish supporters of someone who is anti- of just about every moral value they supposedly espouse.)

Instead they got a narcissistic ego that even they cannot control. But are willing to continue to support since it is still allowing them to continue with the dream of undoing the New Deal. And maybe much much more.

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dell*nix  May 31, 2019 • 12:40:09am

re: #111 dirkdigglerjr

[private]I find myself too damn old to run away from such shits. Looks like I posted late to the thread]


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