Some More News: How Corporations Pretend to Be Eco-Friendly

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Hi. In today’s episode, we look at how corporations pretend to be eco-friendly while cutting corners and keeping quarterly profits their top priority.

Executive Producer - Katy Stoll
Directed by Will Gordh
Written by Ella Yurman
Edited by John Conway
Produced by Jonathan Harris
Associate Producer - Quincy Tucker
Post-Production Supervisor - John Conway
Researcher - Marco Siler-Gonzales
Graphics by Clint DeNisco
Story Editor - Tom Reimann
Head Writer - David Christopher Bell

Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
02:28 - Money, The Only Green That Motivates Corporations
08:34 - Oil Companies and Eco-related Marketing
18:37 - Socially Conscious Smoke Screens & Carbon Credits
29:47 - Big Biz’s Favorite Buzz Word: Recyclable
35:06 - An Embarrassing Assembly of “Good” Companies Actually Combating Climate Change
39:28 - The Only Real Way to Force Our Corporate Overlords to Actually Do Anything

Sources: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FZ84xnSmfFJvBI4eoH-iyE338wViCzoe3FuOd4Bnuqk/edit

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224 comments
1
No Malarkey!  May 11, 2023 • 10:41:00am

Biden will defeat Trump. The only question is what happens when the GOP tries to install Trump as President anyway. Maybe we’ll get lucky, he’ll be convicted of multiple felonies before the election, and the GOP’s Trump fever will break.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  May 11, 2023 • 10:43:07am

re: #1 No Malarkey!

their fever will never break.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 10:44:18am

re: #2 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

their fever will never break.

It does for individuals, but the remaining fascists will get worse and worse as anyone that has the slightest voice of sanity in their heads walk away.

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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 10:46:29am

Greg Abbott helping migrants escape Texas, using Texas taxpayer’s money.

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BeachDem  May 11, 2023 • 10:46:31am

re: #538 Hecuba’s daughter

GM had an electric car years earlier but they killed it off. They just didn’t see how to make it a financial success. No different from Xerox and its creation of the PC and then abandoning some of their key software concepts to Jobs. Large companies are often totally inept at promoting true technological innovation that upsets their current market.

imdb.com

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Jay C  May 11, 2023 • 10:46:31am

re-posted from below:
re: #542 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I will note that elmo is not Mule.

Close: he IS a colossal jackass……

re: #539 PhillyPretzel

I just got kicked off the phone lines by Capital One. And I am not giving them my SSN. I will wait until I get the card and send it back. I might call Lifelock and try to get it blocked.

Just a suggestion: you might want to call your “regular” Cap One Customer Service line, and try to get in direct touch with their Fraud Department (call them, don’t have them call you, just to be sure); phone trees can be a PITA, but at least you might get an answer to any questions about the mystery card’s authenticity.

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William Lewis  May 11, 2023 • 10:50:45am

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 10:52:16am

re: #1 No Malarkey!

Biden will defeat Trump. The only question is what happens when the GOP tries to install Trump as President anyway. Maybe we’ll get lucky, he’ll be convicted of multiple felonies before the election, and the GOP’s Trump fever will break.

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No way Biden got 90m votes and I only got 60m. Rigged!

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 10:52:30am

re: #7 William Lewis

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Not unless the candies are the larval form of the ones with arm and legs.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 10:53:41am

re: #4 jaunte

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Greg Abbott helping migrants escape Texas, using Texas taxpayer’s money.

(Some) texans should be livid.
Why do they get a free ride out on my tax dollars and I’m stuck here. //

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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 10:54:44am

re: #10 Dangerman

Abbott thinks he’s punishing both the VP and the migrants, but they’re probably relieved.

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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2023 • 10:55:17am
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Jay C  May 11, 2023 • 10:57:12am

re: #4 jaunte

OK: serious question: if the expiration of this “Title 42” act - which, I will frankly admit, I’m not all that familiar with, other than xenophobe wingnuts are up in arms* over it - is such an incipient “catastrophe” in the offing, why was the thing not simply extended until a longer-term solution** could be implemented by either Congress (if it a legislative issue), or the Administration (if it is an Executive Branch purview)?
While they seem to have (thankfully) abandoned the worst of the performative-cruelty actions of the previous Admin re border issue, the Biden Administration has not (Republican caterwauling to the contrary notwithstanding) AFAICT, really “opened” the border all that much.

*unfortunately, in some places, literally.
** assuming one CAN be found: which I seriously doubt.

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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 10:57:19am

re: #12 Dr. Matt

Let’s Take a Closer Look at the Abuse Allegation Against House Oversight Chair James Comer
Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.) allegedly assaulted an ex-girlfriend, took her to get an abortion, then later tried to discredit her.
jezebel.com

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 11, 2023 • 10:57:27am

RE:/ Carbon credits and enforcement.

A thing you’ll see a bunch is people planting trees, or promising to plant trees, but even if you pass the pure “nothing done because fraud” stage, the tree planting is selling current carbon offsets on the back of future removed carbon…which assumes that the trees reach maturity. So what you end up with is the comparatively-cheap action of putting some trees in some holes and then they die because no upkeep is done, meaning that the actual carbon hasn’t been scrubbed but the carbon credit persists.

Basically, financialization of this shit won’t work because markets are exploitable in very predictable ways—Why become more efficient when you can boost quarterlies with mass layoffs?—and monetizing the rot is a very effective profit model.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 10:57:47am

re: #6 Jay C

re-posted from below:
re: #542 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Close: he IS a colossal jackass……

re: #539 PhillyPretzel

Just a suggestion: you might want to call your “regular” Cap One Customer Service line, and try to get in direct touch with their Fraud Department (call them, don’t have them call you, just to be sure); phone trees can be a PITA, but at least you might get an answer to any questions about the mystery card’s authenticity.

generally no issuer opens a new account and sends unsolicited credit cards.

Not without checking your credit first.
And to do that usually requires your permission.

As a business model it would be a disaster.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 10:59:18am

re: #9 Crush White Nationalism

Not unless the candies are the larval form of the ones with arm and legs.

Oh, here we go…// ;-)

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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2023 • 11:00:04am

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 11:00:35am

re: #12 Dr. Matt

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No one aborts “children”

Not born yet? Then not a “child”

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 11:00:44am

re: #530 PhillyPretzel

I am getting letters from Capital One telling me that I am getting a credit card from them. The thing is that I have not applied for this card and I do not want this card. Do I bit my tongue and not use the thing or call customer service and tell I do not want the card?

Yuck!

Another suggestion -
1. You may wish to contact the Pennsylvania State agency that regulates banks. If I recall correctly, it may the Pennsylvania State Attorney General’s Office. When the regulatory agency speaks corporations are more likely to listen.

2. You may also wish to contact the credit reporting agencies and get copies of your credit report and then review it carefully yourself. You likely can put a lock on your credit report so things like a new credit card cannot be placed on it. That usually causes credit card companies to pause. Lifelock may be able to help you on this.

3. Imho and somewhat limited experience criminal scammers have a far better imagination than I. So, it may take some time to figure out what they are trying to do.

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Charles Johnson  May 11, 2023 • 11:00:50am

Mastodon

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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 11:01:37am

re: #13 Jay C

Title 42 restrictions depend on the Covid public health emergency, which is ‘officially’ ending.
It was a handy kludge for R’s to throttle immigration. Now they have to find something else, but they aren’t interested in solving a problem, just in having a crisis to complain to voters about and claim that the Administration isn’t doing enough.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 11:01:42am

re: #12 Dr. Matt

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 11:03:03am

I have never met one woman in my entire life who was excited about getting an abortion.

This idea of Liberals being just giddy about killing fetuses is one of the most fucked up RW talking points.

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William Lewis  May 11, 2023 • 11:03:58am

re: #9 Crush White Nationalism

Not unless the candies are the larval form of the ones with arm and legs.

Eggs?

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Eventual Carrion  May 11, 2023 • 11:05:37am

re: #13 Jay C

OK: serious question: if the expiration of this “Title 42” act - which, I will frankly admit, I’m not all that familiar with, other than xenophobe wingnuts are up in arms* over it - is such an incipient “catastrophe” in the offing, why was the thing not simply extended until a longer-term solution** could be implemented by either Congress (if it a legislative issue), or the Administration (if it is an Executive Branch purview)?
While they seem to have (thankfully) abandoned the worst of the performative-cruelty actions of the previous Admin re border issue, the Biden Administration has not (Republican caterwauling to the contrary notwithstanding) AFAICT, really “opened” the border all that much.

*unfortunately, in some places, literally.
** assuming one CAN be found: which I seriously doubt.

The wingnuts just want to make it seem like this immigration thing has just started in the last few years. This “problem” has been going on since the Native Americans had to deal with it many many many many many many moons ago.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 11:05:48am

re: #25 William Lewis

Eggs?

Yes, that would be cannibalism too.

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nines09  May 11, 2023 • 11:05:50am

re: #20 ckkatz

Call them and tell them you did not order the card and you wish to know who did. Ask them to tell you how the request was given to them. Then tell them to cancel that order it was not a valid order from you.
Ask to speak to a manager if you get a thick accent.
I just got a text from a debt collector asking me to call with a reference #.
Over my dead body.
Tell them to cancel. You did not order it.

You can get scammed my mail, remember. Call the number on it. Does it sound like a boiler room?
The cheats never sleep.

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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 11:06:56am

Texas border Republican accuses GOP of using immigration crisis for politics
U.S. Rep. Tony Gonzales said in an interview with the Washington Examiner that his fellow Republicans benefit politically from a sustained border crisis. The attack indirectly alluded to U.S. Rep. Chip Roy’s contentious border security bill.

Mastodon

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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 11:07:12am

removethisbithttps://texastribune.org

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 11:08:25am
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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 11:09:00am

The numbers are in on CNN programming genius:

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nines09  May 11, 2023 • 11:10:03am

Ever get a text from your Amazon driver? It’s not your Amazon driver.

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 11:10:39am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 11:10:57am

re: #32 jaunte

The numbers are in on CNN programming genius:

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 11, 2023 • 11:11:26am

The only number that allowed me to talk to a human being was my credit union. And yes the credit union agrees with me and my fellow Lizards report it. I will start that process very soon.

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nines09  May 11, 2023 • 11:12:19am

re: #32 jaunte

Bottom feeders got their chum. Got a hot bag of steaming feces, just as they wanted.

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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 11:12:20am

re: #34 ckkatz

The idea that “making news” is Kaitlin Collins’ job is also a problem.

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EPR-radar  May 11, 2023 • 11:12:49am

re: #31 ckkatz

Republican lies have that “and we’re looking forward to making you pretend all this shit is true by force” flavor.

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BeenHereAwhile  May 11, 2023 • 11:13:03am

Mastodon

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 11:13:21am

re: #33 nines09

Ever get a text from your Amazon driver? It’s not your Amazon driver.

I once got a call from “My local police department”. Caller was male with a thick Indian accent.

Just like you point out, it wasn’t my local police department.

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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 11:13:28am

Trump lying his ass off about every topic raised is NOT news.

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lawhawk  May 11, 2023 • 11:14:37am

re: #40 BeenHereAwhile

Everyone - other than the owners of said businesses - who thinks that they’re one of the people in the upper pane are actually in the lower one.

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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 11:14:48am

re: #40 BeenHereAwhile

Writers and Artists’ Basement ——>

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Nerdy Fish  May 11, 2023 • 11:14:48am

re: #32 jaunte

The numbers are in on CNN programming genius:

I was wondering when we would find out. That’s pretty pathetic.

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darthstar  May 11, 2023 • 11:15:46am

re: #38 jaunte

The idea that “making news” is Kaitlin Collins’ job is also a problem.

News orgs used to report the news, not play an active role in fabricating it.

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No Malarkey!  May 11, 2023 • 11:16:33am

re: #12 Dr. Matt

So does that mean forced birthers are creating a liberal future?

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nines09  May 11, 2023 • 11:16:49am

re: #41 ckkatz

Voice on the other end with background noise likes he on a subway station asking if I want to support my local sheriff….
So….What county am I in Sparky?
What’s my local Sheriffs name?
Or the best one.
Say “hold on a minute” hit mute, put your phone down and go back to what you were doing.

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 11:18:16am

.

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BeenHereAwhile  May 11, 2023 • 11:19:01am

re: #48 nines09

Voice on the other end with background noise likes he on a subway station asking if I want to support my local sheriff….
So….What county am I in Sparky?
What’s my local Sheriffs name?
Or the best one.
Say “hold on a minute” hit mute, put your phone down and go back to what you were doing.

Tell them you’ve seen the movie and hang up.

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No Malarkey!  May 11, 2023 • 11:20:07am

re: #26 Eventual Carrion

The wingnuts just want to make it seem like this immigration thing has just started in the last few years. This “problem” has been going on since the Native Americans had to deal with it many many many many many many moons ago.

Once upon a time, huge numbers of people entering the US to make a better life for themselves were just immigrants, and it wasn’t a crisis, it was how the country was built.

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 11:21:39am

re: #31 ckkatz

I suspect that the MAGAt CNN audience was cheering, laughing and applauding last night was because they viewed the lies and attacks as a show of strength and force.

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gwangung  May 11, 2023 • 11:21:56am

re: #51 No Malarkey!

Once upon a time, huge numbers of people entering the US to make a better life for themselves were just immigrants, and it wasn’t a crisis, it was how the country was built.

Well, once they started being Asian people (ahem, Chinese Exclusion Act), that’s when the tune changed….

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  May 11, 2023 • 11:22:27am

Here’s the story. This asshole has paid a total of $5 million in bail.
Anthony Patterson bonds out of jail

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nines09  May 11, 2023 • 11:22:33am

Got a call once from Kingston Jamaica.
I answered in my best Rasta “WHA GWANNN MON? WHO CALL ME FROM SURRY MON?”
Guy at the other end laughed and said with a thick accent “They be crimnal mon..”
click.

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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 11:23:16am

re: #48 nines09

Say “hold on a minute” hit mute, put your phone down and go back to what you were doing.

My favorite. Going back to reading online while mouse-noise queries burble softly up from the phone.

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lawhawk  May 11, 2023 • 11:23:21am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 11:23:24am

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Not a drag queen as far as I can tell.

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nines09  May 11, 2023 • 11:23:34am

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Does he get like a rodeo belt buckle for the number of times?

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 11:24:49am
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BeenHereAwhile  May 11, 2023 • 11:27:22am

re: #51 No Malarkey!

Once upon a time, huge numbers of people entering the US to make a better life for themselves were just immigrants, and it wasn’t a crisis, it was how the country was built.

Rising wet bulb temperatures in Central America will only increase immigration pressure.

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silverdolphin  May 11, 2023 • 11:27:42am

re: #1 No Malarkey!

Biden will defeat Trump. The only question is what happens when the GOP tries to install Trump as President anyway. Maybe we’ll get lucky, he’ll be convicted of multiple felonies before the election, and the GOP’s Trump fever will break.

I think you are right and that it is possible we can repudiate any coup attempts and toss the GOP out. I like to play this thought experiment regarding a GOP coup and crackdown. It is a back of the envelope model. (This is being fueled by coffee. I’d need a lot more money to develop an in-depth white paper ;-) The RAND Corp has estimated that it takes at least 1 soldier/police officer per 50 civilians to effectively deal with counterinsurgency and pacify a country. How does this metric apply to the US? A US with active resistance to a Trump coup?

We have a military of about 1.8 million including active duty and reservists. That works out to pacifying 90 million people.That would get them California, Texas and Florida (Both Florida and Texas have more Democrats than New York does. These states would have to be pacified.)

Say they press ganged every law enforcement officer in the US. That is about 700,000. So another 35 million. That gets them New York and Pennsylvania. They still have 45 other states to deal with. And they only get this far if they use every single member of the military and all the law enforcement officers. In reality, I expect a huge number to refuse.

And this is assuming they have perfect logistics to move all these troops around.

This is not to say they will not try. Intelligence is not their forte. But it is very likely they simply do not have enough forces to hold that coup. If there is resistance. Thus ends the thought experiment. Because it will be a horrible trial to go through for the US. Much better if we can take the truly democratic path and vote the bastards out.

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dat_said  May 11, 2023 • 11:28:38am

re: #56 jaunte

My favorite. Going back to reading online while mouse-noise queries burble softly up from the phone.

My brother-in-law has way too much time on his hands now and he just babbles on and on when someone calls. Ignores all questions. Asks questions but never waits for an answer. Talks about his garden, or fishing, or snow, or even just about the neighbors.

He does the same with telemarketers.

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Dave In Austin  May 11, 2023 • 11:30:18am

re: #11 jaunte

Abbott thinks he’s punishing both the VP and the migrants, but they’re probably relieved.

Problem is we could use the help, and the jobs are available.

Pesonally, I’m a “Let them in” kinda guy..
It’s Pure America.

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lawhawk  May 11, 2023 • 11:32:35am

There’s no difference between a Trump Republican and a Republican except what you say out loud and what you don’t say in polite company.

The GOP are the white nationalist fascists we’ve been saying that they are. They’re removing all doubt.

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Dave In Austin  May 11, 2023 • 11:33:14am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

“Gaseous Old Pussygrabbers”

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 11:33:57am

re: #32 jaunte

As has been noted, somebody got owned. But it may not have been the ‘Libs’.

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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 11:34:26am

re: #64 Dave In Austin

I wonder how long DeSantis is going to hold out against the state’s construction and ag industries?
yahoo.com

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Mattand  May 11, 2023 • 11:34:52am

re: #5 BeachDem

imdb.com

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Gonna be “that guy” on this one:

My understanding is that Who Killed the Electric Car is full of misinformation and conspiracy bullshit. I have never seen it and unfortunately never bookmarked the takedown of some of the nonsense in the documentary, so grain of salt and what not.

Kinda like Supersize Me: Morgan Spurlock offered to make all of the data he used in the movie available for anyone to test, and then denied an actual dietician who started poking holes in the claims Spurlock made in the film.

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 11:36:20am
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DodgerFan1988  May 11, 2023 • 11:37:01am
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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 11:39:08am
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nines09  May 11, 2023 • 11:39:35am

So keep a window open with a YouTube vid like this. Or traffic noise. Ballgame. Use your imagination.
You get a phone call you know is phishing, turn this on. Pick up. Scream “Wait a minute! Lots of noise!….” Leave your phone by the speakers, walk to the other side of the room and start screaming at an imaginary someone.
Like “YOU TOLD ME YOU WOULD BE THERE! WHERE WERE YOU and use your imagination.
Drama students can work on plots you can drag the caller into…

Have fun!

30 Minutes of New York City Subway sounds

Back to work. bbl

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 11:41:32am
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Mattand  May 11, 2023 • 11:41:49am

re: #73 nines09

So keep a window open with a YouTube vid like this. Or traffic noise. Ballgame. Use your imagination.
You get a phone call you know is phishing, turn this on. Pick up. Scream “Wait a minute! Lots of noise….” walk to the other side of the room and start screaming at an imaginary someone.
Like “YOU TOLD ME YOU WOULD BE THERE! WHERE WERE YOU and use your imagination.
Drama students can work on plots you can drag the caller into…

Have fun!

[Embedded content]

Back to work. bbl

I’ve ridden six big city subways in my life, and not only do the sound the same, they smell the same as well.

Do with that info what you will.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 11:42:09am

re: #39 EPR-radar

Republican lies have that “and we’re looking forward to making you pretend all this shit is true by force” flavor.

They act like Russians. Google “vranyo” to see what they’re up to.

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lawhawk  May 11, 2023 • 11:42:46am

re: #73 nines09

Needs more under the El train sounds. Roosevelt Avenue El trains to be precise. 7 Trains to Citifield. The roar of the rush hour trains is deafening.

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nines09  May 11, 2023 • 11:45:41am

re: #77 lawhawk

Needs more under the El train sounds. Roosevelt Avenue El trains to be precise. 7 Trains to Citifield. The roar of the rush hour trains is deafening.

I do my little old man voice.
“can you speak up? Is this Tim? Timmy? Is it you Timmy? No? Oh….Wait a minute….bang something, moan….Say, Hello? Is this Timmy?…
Drag it out. I walked to my front door, rang my doorbell non stop, started screaming about the damn kids and I NEED YOU HERE TIMMY…

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nines09  May 11, 2023 • 11:47:32am

off I go

Oh, in Philly, at Kensington Ave and York Street, the El made a turn that screamed and threw sparks back in the day.
My one friend had a 2nd story apt there, and it was insane.
But like everywhere, after a while, you didn’t hear it.

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Mattand  May 11, 2023 • 11:49:07am

re: #77 lawhawk

Needs more under the El train sounds. Roosevelt Avenue El trains to be precise. 7 Trains to Citifield. The roar of the rush hour trains is deafening.

The only subway/elevated train I’ve ever stood under is the PATCO line that runs between South Jersey and Philly. It’s loud, but it sits on a cement viaduct. Not sure if that dampens the sound a bit.

I’ve been on the 7 to and from Citi Field, but never under it. I still remember looking out the window and realizing just how frigging huge NYC is: just an endless sea of rowhomes on either side of the car. Plus the train was packed on a Sunday afternoon, not just due to the Mets/Phils game.

It was also kinda neat to see the Silvercup Studios sign from Highlander up close as we left Manhattan.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 11, 2023 • 11:50:56am

I just got off the phone with Capital One (I called the local BJ’s and got the number from them) and they are starting an investigation. Now I have to file a Police Report about this. Oy Vey. More paperwork.

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Teukka  May 11, 2023 • 11:51:25am

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Engaged in a Twitter feud with a RWNJ (I think) who goes “LGBTQIA+ Grumah!”
“SexEddd Gruumah!”, who when you counter those arguments, forum slides into “CPS and Svedishe Social Services kiddnappe kildren! 111ty!”
Yeah. Right. Like, Sweden is one of the most difficult countries to terminate parental rights in, like it wasn’t that long ago a kid fucking died because Social Services couldn’t quite reach up to the burden of proof to terminate visitation rights.
JFC.
*Reeeeeeeeeeee’s.*
*looks at wall*
Fuck, it’s on fire!
*empties fire estinguisher on smoldering wall*

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BeenHereAwhile  May 11, 2023 • 11:53:47am

re: #67 ckkatz

As has been noted, somebody got owned. But it may not have been the ‘Libs’.

Ruth Ben-Ghiat
@ruthbenghiat
How to own the libs! The crowd assembled for tonight’s propaganda show *is* Licht’s target audience. Make $ moving into Fox territory. Collins was auditioning to embody the new model: have the veneer of a journalist but actually allow Trump’s lies to circulate.
7:44 PM • May 10, 2023

Straight out of the Lee Atwater & Karl Rove playbook.

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No Malarkey!  May 11, 2023 • 11:55:04am

re: #62 silverdolphin

I think you are right and that it is possible we can repudiate any coup attempts and toss the GOP out. I like to play this thought experiment regarding a GOP coup and crackdown. It is a back of the envelope model. (This is being fueled by coffee. I’d need a lot more money to develop an in-depth white paper ;-) The RAND Corp has estimated that it takes at least 1 soldier/police officer per 50 civilians to effectively deal with counterinsurgency and pacify a country. How does this metric apply to the US? A US with active resistance to a Trump coup?

We have a military of about 1.8 million including active duty and reservists. That works out to pacifying 90 million people.That would get them California, Texas and Florida (Both Florida and Texas have more Democrats than New York does. These states would have to be pacified.)

Say they press ganged every law enforcement officer in the US. That is about 700,000. So another 35 million. That gets them New York and Pennsylvania. They still have 45 other states to deal with. And they only get this far if they use every single member of the military and all the law enforcement officers. In reality, I expect a huge number to refuse.

And this is assuming they have perfect logistics to move all these troops around.

This is not to say they will not try. Intelligence is not their forte. But it is very likely they simply do not have enough forces to hold that coup. If there is resistance. Thus ends the thought experiment. Because it will be a horrible trial to go through for the US. Much better if we can take the truly democratic path and vote the bastards out.

The Democrats control the White House and I think they will win control of the House back in 2024. So they absolutely should not relinquish power if GOP state legislatures refuse to certify Biden victories due to “voter fraud” and select an alternative slate of Trump electors. And if the Calvinball Court says they have to, they should say “make us.” We would be in a constitutional crisis for sure, but one the GOP made.

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nines09  May 11, 2023 • 11:56:55am

re: #81 PhillyPretzel

I just got off the phone with Capital One (I called the local BJ’s and got the number from them) and they are starting an investigation. Now I have to file a Police Report about this. Oy Vey. More paperwork.

Cover your butt.
Be your own advocate.
Good work.
Relax.
You did good.

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nines09  May 11, 2023 • 11:57:11am

I gotta go

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 11:57:17am
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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2023 • 11:58:23am

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silverdolphin  May 11, 2023 • 11:59:04am

“Trump supporters like Donald Trump” is not actually newsworthy

Looks like CNN is going full Trumpers, claiming that last night was perfect because it allowed a large swath of Ameica to show itself. So expect to see a lot more of this as they try for the FOX viewers.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 11:59:37am

POOR THINGS | Official Teaser | Searchlight Pictures

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Dave In Austin  May 11, 2023 • 12:00:25pm

re: #68 jaunte

I wonder how long DeSantis is going to hold out against the state’s construction and ag industries?
yahoo.com

They are making book regardless, this is about the power. We all know this. the pain will have to be way worse to get rid of Puddin’ Fingers. The old white folk and native racists love him

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 12:01:04pm

re: #81 PhillyPretzel

I just got off the phone with Capital One (I called the local BJ’s and got the number from them) and they are starting an investigation. Now I have to file a Police Report about this. Oy Vey. More paperwork.

It sounds like you may have got ahead of the mess. So yay!

It would have only been worse if, in addition to the above stuff, you had also been fighting scammed creditors, debt companies and all their complaints on your credit report.

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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2023 • 12:01:11pm

MAYO!

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A Cranky One  May 11, 2023 • 12:01:23pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 12:02:50pm

re: #93 Dr. Matt

I’mma say pickle, because I don’t like pickles. I don’t really like Mayo on a burger either but my wife loves it.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 11, 2023 • 12:03:23pm

re: #92 ckkatz

As I said I now have to make a police report about the credit card I do not want.

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lawhawk  May 11, 2023 • 12:05:12pm

re: #80 Mattand

The only subway/elevated train I’ve ever stood under is the PATCO line that runs between South Jersey and Philly. It’s loud, but it sits on a cement viaduct. Not sure if that dampens the sound a bit.

I’ve been on the 7 to and from Citi Field, but never under it. I still remember looking out the window and realizing just how frigging huge NYC is: just an endless sea of rowhomes on either side of the car. Plus the train was packed on a Sunday afternoon, not just due to the Mets/Phils game.

It was also kinda neat to see the Silvercup Studios sign from Highlander up close as we left Manhattan.

Having taken the subways to and from both Yankee Stadium and Citifield (ex Shea), as well as parking in the vicinity of both, walking under the tracks was deafening at times.

This gives some sense…

[ Jackson Heights, Queens ] Walking underneath 7 train on Roosevelt ave from 93rd St to 74th St ⁴ᴷ⁶⁰

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silverdolphin  May 11, 2023 • 12:06:27pm

Caveat Emptor

The townhall was just the announcement of CNN’s new move rightward. It was a commerical for them to the Trumpers. So of course it was crazy. That was the point.

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 12:07:48pm
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A Cranky One  May 11, 2023 • 12:08:18pm

re: #93 Dr. Matt

I’m going to say pickles, just because I’m on a low salt diet.

But wait, you’ll say, what about the bacon?

Hey, there are limits….

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 12:11:13pm

re: #96 PhillyPretzel

As I said I now have to make a police report about the credit card I do not want.

Yeah, your cell provider will make you do that if you are challenging an unauthorized account. It’s a PITA.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 11, 2023 • 12:12:48pm

re: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

This is a credit card not a cell provider.

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 12:13:36pm
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silverdolphin  May 11, 2023 • 12:13:50pm

Alabama considers potential murder charge for abortion, equal protection for ‘preborn children’

Full human rights from fertilization. So I guess mscarriages would be prosecuted as involuntary homicide? And, interestingly, the bill uses male pronouns thoughout as if it affected only men. Idiots.

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 11, 2023 • 12:14:01pm

re: #100 A Cranky One

I’m going to say pickles, just because I’m on a low salt diet.

But wait, you’ll say, what about the bacon?

Hey, there are limits….

Ahem…

There are never any limits to (turkey) bacon for me…😏

Other bacon is a Bozo-No-No according to the rulebook…

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Alephnaught  May 11, 2023 • 12:14:17pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 12:15:28pm

re: #102 PhillyPretzel

This is a credit card not a cell provider.

I know. What I’m saying is they probably have similar processes for alleged Fraud.

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 12:15:29pm
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Joe Bacon ✅  May 11, 2023 • 12:15:43pm

re: #93 Dr. Matt

MAYO!

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Especially Best Foods or Hellman’s. Mom HATED that concoction.

It always had to be Duke’s for Mom…

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 11, 2023 • 12:16:46pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

Okay. I am only thinking about this damn credit card I do not want.

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 11, 2023 • 12:17:55pm

DO IT.
DO IT.
DO IT!

E. Jean Carroll says she may sue Trump for defamation again after CNN town hall

In the wake of Donald Trump’s town hall special on CNN this Wednesday night, E. Jean Carroll says she’s considering whether to file another defamation suit against Trump for defaming her yet again, The New York Times reported.

“It’s just stupid, it’s just disgusting, vile, foul, it wounds people,” Carroll said in regards to Trump’s town hall comments.

“I am upset on the behalf of young men in America,” Carroll said. “They cannot listen to this balderdash and this old-timey view of women, which is a cave-man view.”

Carroll has another defamation suit against Trump that is still pending. Trump says the case has no merit since he made the comments in his official capacity as president.

nytimes.com

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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 12:20:43pm
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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 12:21:43pm
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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 12:22:48pm
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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 12:26:23pm

re: #114 ckkatz

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 12:27:01pm
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BeenHereAwhile  May 11, 2023 • 12:27:28pm

re: #96 PhillyPretzel

As I said I now have to make a police report about the credit card I do not want.

That’s good due diligence to provide proof of fraud in case of future fraudulent activity on your dime.

You can call the 3 credit reporting agencies and enter a <100 word statement of past fraudulent attempts in your credit record and request you be notified of any further credit inquiries. By law you can also request a copy of your current credit report.

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jaunte  May 11, 2023 • 12:30:09pm
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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 12:32:25pm

re: #118 jaunte

I have watched Cnn for years.The new boss is ruining the show. I loved Laura Coates John King Dan Gloria and Anderson Cooper. You should leave them all alone. Hate the new guy you put on Prime time. Hate Haley mcenemy. Love Jake Tapper and Jim Ascosta and Wolf leave my show alone. I am 87 and watch it all day.I love Dana cnn should get a new boss and stop changing what we love. thank you Shirley Greenough [protected]@yahoo.com

Desired outcome: Fire new cnn boss

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Teukka  May 11, 2023 • 12:33:19pm
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BeenHereAwhile  May 11, 2023 • 12:33:48pm

re: #103 ckkatz

Mike Memoli
@mikememoli
A Biden campaign adviser’s summary of tonight’s town hall: “Weeks worth of damning content in one hour. … It was quite efficient.”
9:32 PM • May 10, 2023

Rick Wilson, “We are in a break now from the presidential townhall with CNN and Kaitlan Collins and whatever the fuck they thought they were going to get, they instead have set a massive match to democracy once again. You’re letting an insane person stand there and make people giggle and laugh when he jokes about rape. You make people giggle and laugh when he jokes about abortion. When he calls an African American police officer a thug. This insanity should be pulled off the fucking air. Chris Licht you should be ashamed of yourself, this is astoundingly bad for the brand of CNN. It is astoundingly bad for the country, and it is astoundingly bad honestly folks for every other Republican candidate in the primaries. Wrap that shit up, it’s done. You saw this tonight, you know you can’t beat him on the stage. Everybody else oars up, time to go to work, because he is going to be the nominee, this shit is un-fucking believable, I’ve never seen anything like it, it is a disaster.”

realclearpolitics.com

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 12:34:39pm

re: #115 Crush White Nationalism

I have to admit I did not test this claim as I have absolutely no interest in encountering animal torture videos.

Good to hear that this tweet by Collins may not be always true.

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Patricia Kayden  May 11, 2023 • 12:36:15pm

re: #31 ckkatz

Sounds like Trump who lies easily and often, i.e., all the dang time. Truth doesn’t matter in certain circles.

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 12:36:31pm
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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 12:38:41pm

re: #123 Patricia Kayden

Sounds like Trump who lies easily and often, i.e., all the dang time. Truth doesn’t matter in certain circles.

I am thinking that the MAGAts actually prefer the lies because they view it as showing strength and power.

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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2023 • 12:39:10pm
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BeenHereAwhile  May 11, 2023 • 12:39:16pm

re: #123 Patricia Kayden

Sounds like Trump who lies easily and often, i.e., all the dang time. Truth doesn’t matter in certain circles.

In regards to CNN, it’s John Malone’s call.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 12:40:31pm

re: #122 ckkatz

I have to admit I did not test this claim as I have absolutely no interest in encountering animal torture videos.

Good to hear that this tweet by Collins may not be always true.

I didn’t test it myself either. I have a bad enough attitude regarding people without seeing that kind of thing.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 12:41:32pm

re: #125 ckkatz

I am thinking that the MAGAts actually prefer the lies because they view it as showing strength and power.

That and the truth is that they’re worse-than-useless assholes, while the lies have them as new founding fathers of a fascist USA.

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Teukka  May 11, 2023 • 12:42:50pm

re: #124 ckkatz

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BlueSpotinAL ✅  May 11, 2023 • 12:45:06pm

Retired last Jun 1, been working a few angles post retirement. My wife took this picture Monday, daughter wrote a sign, and Son-in-law photoshopped it in.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 11, 2023 • 12:46:34pm

re: #131 BlueSpotinAL

lol. Thanks I needed a good chuckle. :)

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 11, 2023 • 12:47:15pm

Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs RFK Jr. kicks off his campaign at an appropriate place.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 12:51:04pm

re: #118 jaunte

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how about this (said in my best Nicol Williamson/Excalibur voice):

Re: Trump “Town Hall” that i would not see

I once stood poised to view your cable station and visit your website.
It took me years to recover…and all for this lunacy called ‘journalism”

…this mad distemper, that strikes down both writer and reader

Never again!

Never!

(ok it’s a stretch)

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gocart mozart  May 11, 2023 • 12:51:53pm
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Captain Ron  May 11, 2023 • 12:53:00pm
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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 12:53:29pm

re: #131 BlueSpotinAL

Retired last Jun 1, been working a few angles post retirement. My wife took this picture Monday, daughter wrote a sign, and Son-in-law photoshopped it in.

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obligatory, i thought you were taller

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 11, 2023 • 12:54:16pm

re: #131 BlueSpotinAL

I’m counting down…13 months…20 days…

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 12:55:10pm

Me, I’m just hoping to retire before 70 (I’m in my early 40s).

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 12:57:02pm

re: #131 BlueSpotinAL

What kind of hats do you own?

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 12:58:40pm

re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg

Me, I’m just hoping to retire before 70 (I’m in my early 40s).

My little brother retired at 50 after working as a jail guard. I often think of that as I work.

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mmmirele  May 11, 2023 • 1:00:21pm

re: #6 Jay C

re-posted from below:
re: #542 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Close: he IS a colossal jackass……

re: #539 PhillyPretzel

Just a suggestion: you might want to call your “regular” Cap One Customer Service line, and try to get in direct touch with their Fraud Department (call them, don’t have them call you, just to be sure); phone trees can be a PITA, but at least you might get an answer to any questions about the mystery card’s authenticity.

Try this number:

If they hive you grief tell them you will file a complaint with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

Also, along similar lines, my evil too big to fail employer has notices out (so many notices, it’s a big deal) letting us know there’s a massive “smishing” (SMS text phishing) attack going on right now. Don’t click the link in the text. Delete the message. Kill it with fire. I’m not going to ask people to get screenshots for me because why?

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ckkatz  May 11, 2023 • 1:00:22pm

Stuff is happening in Turkish national elections scheduled for this Sunday. There were 4 candidates, one of the lowest polling candidates has withdrawn in favor of the major opposition candidate. There is discussion that the other low polling candidate may also withdraw.

Complicating things is the fact that they may not be able to officially withdraw. Their names will still appear in the ballot.

Also -

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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2023 • 1:01:58pm

re: #135 gocart mozart

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 11, 2023 • 1:02:49pm

re: #142 mmmirele

Thanks. I got my local BJ’s (since their name is on the mailing too) to give me a number to Capital One and they are investigating it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 1:03:25pm

re: #141 Crush White Nationalism

My little brother retired at 50 after working as a jail guard. I often think of that as I work.

Unless I’ve got a rich uncle I don’t know about that’s gonna drop me an inheritance soon, early retirement won’t be a thing for me (Yay for being financially stupid when I was younger!).

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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2023 • 1:03:32pm
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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 1:04:57pm

re: #140 Crush White Nationalism

What kind of hats do you own?

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 1:06:35pm

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

Unless I’ve got a rich uncle I don’t know about that’s gonna drop me an inheritance soon, early retirement won’t be a thing for me (Yay for being financially stupid when I was younger!).

stay on anymouse’s good side
you know, just in case…

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No Malarkey!  May 11, 2023 • 1:06:35pm

re: #147 Dr. Matt

Laura Loomer? /half

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Backwoods Sleuth  May 11, 2023 • 1:06:57pm

re: #81 PhillyPretzel

I just got off the phone with Capital One (I called the local BJ’s and got the number from them) and they are starting an investigation. Now I have to file a Police Report about this. Oy Vey. More paperwork.

Definitely open a report at FTC’s consumer website

Lots of good advice/info on how to proceed is also there.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 1:10:26pm

interesting point re the southern border

last night Trump took credit for building his wall - said he finished it.
And it would have to be ‘only the best’, right?

biden should ask how there can there be a crisis if the Great Wall is in place?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 1:11:33pm

re: #150 No Malarkey!

Laura Loomer? /half

Elizabeth Holmes.

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Backwoods Sleuth  May 11, 2023 • 1:13:40pm

re: #96 PhillyPretzel

As I said I now have to make a police report about the credit card I do not want.

also, as I mentioned at the end of the last thread, get copies of your credit reports. If this is actually a case of identity theft, then this credit card may not be the only thing you’ll have to deal with.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 1:15:43pm

re: #147 Dr. Matt

CTO generally reports to a CIO. CIO reports to the CEO
sometimes a CTO can report direct to the CEO

the CEO is always over the CTO.

so will ‘she’ have full autonomy?
any autonomy?
pfft

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 11, 2023 • 1:16:31pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

True. And just from the one call to Capital One the birthday is what is messed up so it maybe from my old cards from Target and other stores from before my bankruptcy. Otherwise everything is locked down in Lifelock.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 1:19:54pm

re: #155 Dangerman

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Backwoods Sleuth  May 11, 2023 • 1:21:10pm

re: #110 PhillyPretzel

Okay. I am only thinking about this damn credit card I do not want.

Also, keep a written log of EVERY contact you make: to the credit card company, to FTC, to police, etc. Written, in person, telephone contacts…EVERY SINGLE ONE. And the name of whoever you spoke with.
Trust me on this, the log will be extremely helpful as time goes on.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 1:21:27pm
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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 1:25:09pm

re: #157 Crush White Nationalism

sometimes you’re too subtle //s

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 1:25:52pm

re: #160 Dangerman

sometimes you’re too subtle //s

I have fun.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 11, 2023 • 1:29:39pm

re: #395 Hecuba’s daughter

So how explain Musk? He is absolutely ignorant about everything except being a con artist yet he managed to use those skills to become the wealthiest person on the planet (now 2nd wealthiest).

Because he started out wealthy, is a conman, and was able to take credit for the work others lead.

Musk’s fanbois are a cult, much like Trump’s.

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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2023 • 1:30:47pm

re: #150 No Malarkey!

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

The new CEO goes only by ‘Karen’.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 1:32:20pm
In North Carolina’s legislature, 40% of its members were prevented from fully participating in the enactment of one of the most significant and controversial pieces of legislation in the 2023 session. In fact, their votes were manipulated to achieve it.

Here’s how it all unfolded.

They didn’t know it at the time, but at 11:28 a.m. on Thursday Feb. 9, 2023 every Democrat present in the state Senate voted for one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the nation - banning nearly all abortions after the first 12 weeks of pregnancy.

Two months later, at 5:38 p.m. on Tuesday April 4, every Democrat present in the state House did the same thing.

What they - and probably many of the Republicans too - assumed was that they’d voted for Senate Bill 20 Safe Surrender Infants: “An act to revise the laws pertaining to the safe surrender of infants under the abuse, neglect, and dependency laws.”

Little did those Democrats know that in the back rooms and dark corners of the legislature, Republicans were secretly conspiring a bait and switch. A month after that unanimous House vote those Democrats learned the 11 page bill to “protect newborn infants by providing a safe alternative for a parent who, in a crisis or in desperation, may physically abandon or harm his or her newborn” was hardly that at all. It was now transformed to a 47-page behemoth bearing little to its original self.

Everything these legislators thought they knew about the bill, from two committee hearings in the state Senate and the full Senate chamber discussion and vote along with a House committee and House floor debate and vote, was barely relevant.

Without their knowledge or participation, the legislation was transformed and their votes manipulated. They - and the North Carolinians they represent — were victim to a charade critical to the passage Senate Bill 20 - now the “Care for Women, Children, and Families Act.”

Editorial: Manipulation not ‘compromise’ got abortion bill passed (WRAL)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 11, 2023 • 1:35:31pm

re: #405 Eclectic Cyborg

His parents were wealthy, but they weren’t billionaires. I’m not saying he didn’t have it easy, I’m just saying he’s made some smart decisions from time to time.

Even his own father Errol has called him out for lying about having a difficult financial time in college, and there’s that bit about Errol Musk owning a share of a Zambian emerald mine and being on the Pretoria City Council.

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BeachDem  May 11, 2023 • 1:37:15pm

re: #69 Mattand

Gonna be “that guy” on this one:

My understanding is that Who Killed the Electric Car is full of misinformation and conspiracy bullshit. I have never seen it and unfortunately never bookmarked the takedown of some of the nonsense in the documentary, so grain of salt and what not.

Kinda like Supersize Me: Morgan Spurlock offered to make all of the data he used in the movie available for anyone to test, and then denied an actual dietician who started poking holes in the claims Spurlock made in the film.

I haven’t watched it since it first came out in 2006, so went to look for all the takedown stuff you mention. Found some vague questioning, but I think this Autoweek review kind of says it best:

Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t trying to kill you. The same could be said for the electric car. In fact, it is said, in a 90-minute documentary narrated by Martin Sheen due out in theaters this summer.

…Who Killed the Electric Car? is not as unfounded as Roger and Me, the entertaining Michael Moore attack on General Motors that is more or less factual but awfully one-sided and manipulative. Still, Who Killed the Electric Car? has a definite agenda that sometimes conveniently ignores facts…

Some of the documentary’s better points are the failure of big carmakers to market electrics (perhaps because building them would be business suicide), or to build them in big enough volumes that manufacturing costs would drop; the fact 90 percent of city- and suburb-dwelling people could use an EV for 90 percent of their driving without any inconvenience; and the fact there is a market out there for these cars, though exactly how big a market beyond actors Ed Begley Jr. and Ted Danson is never addressed.

autoweek.com

Not the hill I want to die on—just remember it being an interesting doc.

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BeenHereAwhile  May 11, 2023 • 1:37:24pm

This is reassuring:

Nonya Bidniss
@Nonya_Bidniss@mas.to

1/ Benchtop DNA printers are coming soon—and biosecurity experts are worried; Report calls for better safeguards to prevent bioterrorists from weaponizing new technology
Over the next 2 to 5 years…the length of stretches of DNA that can be synthesized with these machines will likely increase from about 200 base pairs today to as many as 7000 base pairs, the size of the smallest viruses.
#biotechnology #DNASynthesis #biosecurity #bioterrorism

(edit re-entered the munged URL)
science.org

Nonya Bidniss
@Nonya_Bidniss@mas.to

2/ 20 years ago the CIA published a brief summary (PDF download of “The Darker Bioweapons Future”: cia.gov)
from a National Academies experts group meeting discussing biotechnology threats.
Since then, the ever-looming threat of biotech has become almost a rote blurb in relevant NIEs and public reports. I’ve become inured to it, to some extent.
However, this article made my ears perk up, so to speak.
No, it won’t enable broke dummies to create bioweapons, but it’s significant.

THE DARKER BIOWEAPONS FUTURE | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)
cia.gov
May 11, 2023, 15:24

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 1:41:28pm

re: #166 BeachDem

I enjoyed it. Though I kind of figured out quickly it was slanted to a specific viewpoint.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 11, 2023 • 1:46:58pm

WHOOLY SHITE! ZAP-BOOM! Lightning strike across the street! There doesn’t appear to be a fire around me, but it’s raining really hard.

I’m surprised I still have Internet service and electricity after that.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  May 11, 2023 • 1:47:41pm

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Be thankful.

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🔧-wench  May 11, 2023 • 1:48:35pm

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

WHOOLY SHITE! ZAP-BOOM! Lightning strike across the street! There doesn’t appear to be a fire around me, but it’s raining really hard.

I’m surprised I still have Internet service and electricity after that.

And a heartbeat, and stuff….

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 11, 2023 • 1:50:01pm

This is really going to endear that pompous ass to younger voters.

Fringe GOP presidential candidate wants to unconstitutionally raise voting age to 25

Biotech millionaire and fringe 2024 Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy this week proposed adding a constitutional amendment to raise the voting age from eighteen to twenty-five unless citizens pass a civics test or enlist for six months of public service.

“We want to restore civic duty to the in, in the mindset of the next generation of Americans. And how we wanna do it is to say that if you wanna vote as an 18-year-old between the age of 18 and 25, you need to either do your civic duty through service to the country,” Ramaswamy said aboard his campaign vehicle.

By the way did this clown serve?

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DodgerFan1988  May 11, 2023 • 1:54:25pm

Tomi Lahren, Kayleigh McEnamy or Chaya Raichik.

174
Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 1:54:30pm

re: #172 Joe Bacon

“Young people hate us. What can we do about it?”

“Take away their right to vote.”

“I like it. Make it happen.”

175
GlutenFreeJesus  May 11, 2023 • 1:55:48pm

Trump. The 3.1 million viewer man.

176
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 11, 2023 • 1:55:52pm

But then she wouldn’t be able to burnish her reputation after tarnishing it working at Daily Caller.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 1:57:42pm

re: #176 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Umm, did Kaitlin Collins write that CNN statement?

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 1:59:00pm

re: #176 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

But then she wouldn’t be able to burnish her reputation after tarnishing it working at Daily Caller.

[Embedded content]

She already did that with years of reporting on Trump, smirking at his stupid statements.
She just got in over her head with Trump. You have to be very good to deal with someone who won’t follow the rules.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 11, 2023 • 2:01:24pm

re: #176 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 11, 2023 • 2:01:24pm

re: #10 Dangerman

(Some) texans should be livid.
Why do they get a free ride out on my tax dollars and I’m stuck here. //

I have several mutuals that live in Texas and they would love nothing more than to be able to leave that Hell Hole of a State.

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 11, 2023 • 2:01:27pm

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

Umm, did Kaitlin Collins write that CNN statement?

If she did it would have gone this way—Kaitlyn Collins is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

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William Lewis  May 11, 2023 • 2:02:28pm

re: #172 Joe Bacon

By the way did this clown serve?

Nope. Da Wiki sez he graduated from Jesuit HS and went straight to Harvard. Typical GOP - only peons serve.

183
Charles Johnson  May 11, 2023 • 2:03:17pm

Mastodon

184
Charles Johnson  May 11, 2023 • 2:04:08pm

re: #173 DodgerFan1988

My money’s on Laura Loomer.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 2:04:41pm

The only criticism of Ms. Collins that I have on this is that she was not smart enough to say no to the whole thing. Once it was known that the audience was stacked with traitors, the sane, smart thing to do was to say no and start talking to headhunters.

186
gocart mozart  May 11, 2023 • 2:08:28pm
187
gocart mozart  May 11, 2023 • 2:12:14pm
188
The Pie Overlord!  May 11, 2023 • 2:13:20pm

re: #173 DodgerFan1988

Tomi Lahren, Kayleigh McEnamy or Chaya Raichik.

Siri or Alexa.

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gocart mozart  May 11, 2023 • 2:14:26pm

re: #187 gocart mozart

It’s Bari Weiss or Catturd in drag.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 11, 2023 • 2:16:38pm

re: #118 jaunte

What is the email/site to contact CNN directly and their vile new ceo Christ Licht?

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 11, 2023 • 2:18:24pm

Elon Musk is wealthy because the stock market values Tesla high…

…but Tesla’s value is all irrational exuberance, people investing on the premise that one day the not-very-profitable thing with become Extremely Profitable.

But more deeply, all valuation of stocks is contextualized by the irrationality of the investors market, and especially tech-sector venture capitalism, which has fetishes equivalent to the rituals of bingo players. If you want their money, you have to promise disruption, you have to have to make your company look like Apple. Tesla is a successful bubble inflated by the idea that…soon…something would develop that would make it’s price jump even higher, that it’s the Disrupter of the automotive industry and thus will achieve some kind of ubiquity.

The problem here is that wealth signifies nothing; it cannot be used to discern any general principle about a wealthy person’s character or intellect, because the underlying system…where money is directed, why things are valued…are a snake eating it’s own ass. Given that our financial systems make risks lesser and loans easier to bear if you have money up front…gaining great wealth furthermore doesn’t even signify skill at gaining wealth, just that a person with a thousand chips can make more high-risk bets than someone with 5, and a person with a thousand chips who knows they’re playing a system rigged in their favor will do even better.

The best way to understand Elon Musk is to look at the rest of the PayPal Mafia: they’re all very rich, and they’re all dumb as shit except that they could take one big lucrative gamble. Like, they’re all libertarians and thus Chaotic Evil, but if you look at their good faith attempts to articulate ideas they’re ignorant, bad at reasoning, and almost incapable of creativity. Many of them will be able to make the number go up further, because they are now playing by the new rules where as VCs than can construct win/win contracts and get enormous loans with no interest and gamble entirely with investor money and just plain pressure the government to bail them out unless there’s a market panic.

There is no meritocracy, period. But there is especially no meritocracy within a capitalist system, because capital holders have every incentive to devalue the labor and lives of all workers. Quite the opposite, most talk of “merit” by capital holders included predictable dodges…lying about their base circumstances because it’s preferable not to talk about how wealth attracts wealth, merging self-accomplishment with work done by employees, leaning into the idea that ownership of intellectual property is the step that creates merit not the research/design work that create the thing itself.

Musk says things that are identical to what every rich person has ever said to argue their centrality: that he’s a visionary, that everything is going according to his plan. None of this is credible; it will be decades before there’s any opportunity to parse what ideas were actually his, because both his personal brand and his flagship company’s stock value are dependent on his mystique.

…which is exactly why him continuing to fuck up at Twitter is affecting Tesla prices.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 2:19:28pm

re: #190 Hecuba’s daughter

What is the email/site to contact CNN directly and their vile new ceo Christ Licht?

I’m not sure there is one.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 11, 2023 • 2:22:42pm

Blue tick weighs in.

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Joe Bacon ✅  May 11, 2023 • 2:28:29pm

re: #190 Hecuba’s daughter

What is the email/site to contact CNN directly and their vile new ceo Christ Licht?

help.cnn.com

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Backwoods Sleuth  May 11, 2023 • 2:30:02pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

My money’s on Laura Loomer.

What’s Carly Fiorina up to these days?

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Nerdy Fish  May 11, 2023 • 2:30:31pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s Carly Fiorina up to these days?

Holy crap, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a LONG time.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 11, 2023 • 2:30:39pm

Blue tick moran weighs in.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 2:34:14pm

Back when Elliot presented as female, people would have freaked out over posting a photo like this. People are weird.

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Backwoods Sleuth  May 11, 2023 • 2:34:53pm
200
🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 2:35:55pm

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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calochortus  May 11, 2023 • 2:38:05pm

re: #198 Crush White Nationalism

Back when Elliot presented as female, people would have freaked out over posting a photo like this. People are weird.

[Embedded content]

I hope he’s wearing sunscreen.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 11, 2023 • 2:38:21pm

re: #439 Jay C

Reminds me of the story I once read (maybe it’s just an urban legend) about how, back in the Cold War era, the Soviets secretly constructed a reproduction of a “typical American town” to train deep-cover infiltrators. Supposedly, it consisted of a short “Main Street” and some attached “suburban” housing, and was decorated with abstracted American signage, publications, cars, etc., and only got input from (short-range versions) of American media: to familiarize them with the culture.
If that place is still around*, maybe they can re-purpose it for all those disgruntled wingnuts. What would they call it? “Trumpograd”?

*Though given contemporary standards of A) American domestic architecture, and B) Soviet construction quality, it’s not a given.

Nope, it’s real. It was built to imitate Indian Springs, Nebraska.

(17:30)

The Best Documentary Ever - The Fake American Town Russian Built ()

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ericblair  May 11, 2023 • 2:39:03pm

re: #173 DodgerFan1988

Tomi Lahren, Kayleigh McEnamy or Chaya Raichik.

Whoever accepts this turd of a role deserves it. The only reason Elmo is handing over the reins is because something is obviously about to blow up and he wants somebody else to blame for it. He’s still the owner and of course will not stay in his lane, so will fuck over the new CEO at every turn just to make sure everyone knows who’s still the boss.

204
Barefoot Grin  May 11, 2023 • 2:39:45pm

There is a kind of religious movement that has been building over the years but is now quite powerful: Swifties.

Sometimes I kill time (more than I should) on FB reels (basically Instagrams and TikToks scraped by FB) for some comedy, slice of life stuff. Today I clicked for 30 minutes and it was wall-to-wall Taylor Swift Era Tour uploads. And I gotta tell you, it looked kind of fun. The concert reels reminded me a little bit of my experience seeing U2 a few years ago. I hadn’t followed them since the 1990s, but they played lots of old hits from “Boy” onward and I felt a real sense of community with the audience. Great artists can do that. (I know U2 is not cool anymore, but I’ll never shit on them.)

So that led to the rabbit hole of her fan demographic. I read some interesting articles on how her fan base has changed from basically straight, white, women to become much more broadly spread out with subgroups such as BlackSwifties, South AsianSwifties, etc. If you go to their reddit or tiktok or FB pages there are lots of discussion about being marginalized in their own communities for being fans but finding common ground online and more acceptance on this tour from the still-predominantly white audience.

I’ve never been a Swiftie, but there are several songs of hers that I genuinely like.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 2:40:33pm

re: #203 ericblair

Whoever accepts this turd of a role deserves it. The only reason Elmo is handing over the reins is because something is obviously about to blow up and he wants somebody else to blame for it. He’s still the owner and of course will not stay in his lane, so will fuck over the new CEO at every turn just to make sure everyone knows who’s still the boss.

The one thing we can be sure of is that the new CEO thinks that working for Elon at a troubled highly-visible business is a good idea.

206
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  May 11, 2023 • 2:40:46pm
207
calochortus  May 11, 2023 • 2:40:46pm

re: #203 ericblair

Whoever accepts this turd of a role deserves it. The only reason Elmo is handing over the reins is because something is obviously about to blow up and he wants somebody else to blame for it. He’s still the owner and of course will not stay in his lane, so will fuck over the new CEO at every turn just to make sure everyone knows who’s still the boss.

And who better to blame Twitter’s demise on than a woman?

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 11, 2023 • 2:41:33pm

re: #147 Dr. Matt

209
JC1  May 11, 2023 • 2:41:36pm

re: #191 The Ghost of a Flea

Elon Musk is wealthy because the stock market values Tesla high…

…but Tesla’s value is all irrational exuberance, people investing on the premise that one day the not-very-profitable thing with become Extremely Profitable.

But more deeply, all valuation of stocks is contextualized by the irrationality of the investors market, and especially tech-sector venture capitalism, which has fetishes equivalent to the rituals of bingo players. If you want their money, you have to promise disruption, you have to have to make your company look like Apple. Tesla is a successful bubble inflated by the idea that…soon…something would develop that would make it’s price jump even higher, that it’s the Disrupter of the automotive industry and thus will achieve some kind of ubiquity.

The problem here is that wealth signifies nothing; it cannot be used to discern any general principle about a wealthy person’s character or intellect, because the underlying system…where money is directed, why things are valued…are a snake eating it’s own ass. Given that our financial systems make risks lesser and loans easier to bear if you have money up front…gaining great wealth furthermore doesn’t even signify skill at gaining wealth, just that a person with a thousand chips can make more high-risk bets than someone with 5, and a person with a thousand chips who knows they’re playing a system rigged in their favor will do even better.

The best way to understand Elon Musk is to look at the rest of the PayPal Mafia: they’re all very rich, and they’re all dumb as shit except that they could take one big lucrative gamble. Like, they’re all libertarians and thus Chaotic Evil, but if you look at their good faith attempts to articulate ideas they’re ignorant, bad at reasoning, and almost incapable of creativity. Many of them will be able to make the number go up further, because they are now playing by the new rules where as VCs than can construct win/win contracts and get enormous loans with no interest and gamble entirely with investor money and just plain pressure the government to bail them out unless there’s a market panic.

There is no meritocracy, period. But there is especially no meritocracy within a capitalist system, because capital holders have every incentive to devalue the labor and lives of all workers. Quite the opposite, most talk of “merit” by capital holders included predictable dodges…lying about their base circumstances because it’s preferable not to talk about how wealth attracts wealth, merging self-accomplishment with work done by employees, leaning into the idea that ownership of intellectual property is the step that creates merit not the research/design work that create the thing itself.

Musk says things that are identical to what every rich person has ever said to argue their centrality: that he’s a visionary, that everything is going according to his plan. None of this is credible; it will be decades before there’s any opportunity to parse what ideas were actually his, because both his personal brand and his flagship company’s stock value are dependent on his mystique.

…which is exactly why him continuing to fuck up at Twitter is affecting Tesla prices.

Awful wide paintbrush. I agree that they’re libertarian tech bros, but they’re not all dumb. Thiel (as much of an insufferable asshole as he is) is brilliant. Read about his background.

I agree that Tesla is overvalued by any objective metric, and have often made the argument that we’re unlikely to ever see another inflation adjusted all time high on the stock.

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Nerdy Fish  May 11, 2023 • 2:42:27pm

re: #209 JC1

Awful wide paintbrush. I agree that they’re libertarian tech bros, but they’re not all dumb. Thiel (as much of an insufferable asshole as he is) is brilliant. Read about his background.

“The ability to speak does not make one intelligent.” —Qui-Gon Jinn

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nines09  May 11, 2023 • 2:43:03pm

Outside laboring. Thought I’d share.
Never forget how it felt.
To be young.
And bold.
And

Oh and that front man is the front man every band wants

Velvet Revolver - Slither (VIDEO)

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 2:43:29pm

re: #204 Barefoot Grin

There is a kind of religious movement that has been building over the years but is now quite powerful: Swifties.

Sometimes I kill time (more than I should) on FB reels (basically Instagrams and TikToks scraped by FB) for some comedy, slice of life stuff. Today I clicked for 30 minutes and it was wall-to-wall Taylor Swift Era Tour uploads. And I gotta tell you, it looked kind of fun. The concert reels reminded me a little bit of my experience seeing U2 a few years ago. I hadn’t followed them since the 1990s, but they played lots of old hits from “Boy” onward and I felt a real sense of community with the audience. Great artists can do that. (I know U2 is not cool anymore, but I’ll never shit on them.)

So that led to the rabbit hole of her fan demographic. I read some interesting articles on how her fan base has changed from basically straight, white, women to become much more broadly spread out with subgroups such as BlackSwifties, South AsianSwifties, etc. If you go to their reddit or tiktok or FB pages there are lots of discussion about being marginalized in their own communities for being fans but finding common ground online and more acceptance on this tour from the still-predominantly white audience.

I’ve never been a Swiftie, but there are several songs of hers that I genuinely like.

I’m a Taylor Swift fan. The only thing I don’t like about her is her music.
I’ve been a fan since she realized that white nationalists were using her image as an example of Aryan beauty, and she told them to fuck off. That took courage.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 11, 2023 • 2:45:21pm

re: #203 ericblair

Whoever accepts this turd of a role deserves it. The only reason Elmo is handing over the reins is because something is obviously about to blow up and he wants somebody else to blame for it. He’s still the owner and of course will not stay in his lane, so will fuck over the new CEO at every turn just to make sure everyone knows who’s still the boss.

A spoiler for Succession …

Click to Reveal

Ahh — the Succession ploy when Logan decides to hand over the company to Rhea, the outsider, because of the cruise ship scandal they were facing. In that case, enough information broke before the official announcement that she was able to walk away from the position

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JC1  May 11, 2023 • 2:48:38pm

re: #210 Nerdy Fish

“The ability to speak does not make one intelligent.” —Qui-Gon Jinn

Among other things, he took 1st place in a California state wide math competition in high school. That’s objectively gifted.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 2:50:16pm

re: #203 ericblair

Whoever accepts this turd of a role deserves it. The only reason Elmo is handing over the reins is because something is obviously about to blow up and he wants somebody else to blame for it. He’s still the owner and of course will not stay in his lane, so will fuck over the new CEO at every turn just to make sure everyone knows who’s still the boss.

he’s announced someone will get the title “CEO”
not that they’ll have any power of any kind

as i said above
CTO is one or more levels under an actual CEO
how the hell is that gonna work?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 11, 2023 • 2:50:39pm

re: #446 danarchy

Say what you want about Musk, but he got in on the ground floor of at least 4 different industries. These are all industries that were nascent or didn’t even exist and he chose to invest in. He could have just as easily been broke if he picked wrong.

Web based payment with x.com and Paypal
Electric cars with Tesla
Private space launches with SpaceX
Sattelite internet with Starlink

You can get that lucky once, but over and over in very different businesses and it isn’t just luck.

Of course then there is the Boring company, but you win some you lose some.

Not so fast.

See when you start rich, you can already hire advisors.

Tesla made him richer, so he could hire better advisors.

I’ll bet if I started off with a multi-millionaire daddy who could send me to college free (despite Elno’s lies about it), lie on my résumé about my achievements, possibly illegally enter the United States, surround myself with financial advisors who are impressed by my lies, I could do well in business, too.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 11, 2023 • 2:50:57pm
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Nerdy Fish  May 11, 2023 • 2:51:22pm

re: #214 JC1

Among other things, he took 1st place in a California state wide math competition in high school. That’s objectively gifted.

I have my share of academic credentials and awards of my own, but I’m not here to brag about me. My point is, book smarts does not mean one will make intelligent decisions, or be incredibly talented in specific areas.

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calochortus  May 11, 2023 • 2:51:45pm

re: #217 GlutenFreeJesus

[Embedded content]

Shoplifting a small ham?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2023 • 2:51:51pm

re: #217 GlutenFreeJesus

Many, many cheeseburgers.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  May 11, 2023 • 2:51:56pm

re: #205 Crush White Nationalism

The one thing we can be sure of is that the new CEO thinks that working for Elon at a troubled highly-visible business is a good idea.

i’d do the same as dealing with TFG

get the money up front
assume your ‘reputation’ is gonna be trashed when the relationship no longer suits them

of course anyone stupid enough to work for either of them at this point is too stupid to protect themselves

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  May 11, 2023 • 2:52:05pm

re: #217 GlutenFreeJesus

[Embedded content]

Ostomy bag?

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Mattand  May 11, 2023 • 3:43:12pm

re: #166 BeachDem

I haven’t watched it since it first came out in 2006, so went to look for all the takedown stuff you mention. Found some vague questioning, but I think this Autoweek review kind of says it best:

Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t trying to kill you. The same could be said for the electric car. In fact, it is said, in a 90-minute documentary narrated by Martin Sheen due out in theaters this summer.

…Who Killed the Electric Car? is not as unfounded as Roger and Me, the entertaining Michael Moore attack on General Motors that is more or less factual but awfully one-sided and manipulative. Still, Who Killed the Electric Car? has a definite agenda that sometimes conveniently ignores facts…

Some of the documentary’s better points are the failure of big carmakers to market electrics (perhaps because building them would be business suicide), or to build them in big enough volumes that manufacturing costs would drop; the fact 90 percent of city- and suburb-dwelling people could use an EV for 90 percent of their driving without any inconvenience; and the fact there is a market out there for these cars, though exactly how big a market beyond actors Ed Begley Jr. and Ted Danson is never addressed.

autoweek.com

Not the hill I want to die on—just remember it being an interesting doc.

No, that’s cool. I’ve run into some “Big Oil killed the electric car!!!” dopes in my time who cite this as the smoking tailpipe, and I just don’t have the energy anymore to engage; non that it ever does any good.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  May 11, 2023 • 3:48:39pm

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Not so fast.

See when you start rich, you can already hire advisors.

Tesla made him richer, so he could hire better advisors.

I’ll bet if I started off with a multi-millionaire daddy who could send me to college free (despite Elno’s lies about it), lie on my résumé about my achievements, possibly illegally enter the United States, surround myself with financial advisors who are impressed by my lies, I could do well in business, too.

Me, too, but then I wouldn’t be me. No thanks.


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