And Now the Zefrank’s True Facts You’ve Been Waiting For: ELEPHANTS!

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Elephants do not have sweat glands. They are a lot like gigantic living heat-resistant sponges with very long noses.

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Dr Andrew Schulz, Max Planck Institute
Dr Caitlin O’Connell-Rodwell, Harvard Univ
Dr Joshua Plotnik, CUNY
Caitlin Hawley, Arizona State Univ
Dr Julio de Castro
Dr David L. Hu, Georgia Tech
Dr Jianing Wu, Georgia Tech

Bernard Dupont, flickr.com
Michael Rose, instagram.com
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Destination Uganda, youtube.com
Mason Elephant Park & Lodge, masonelephantlodge.com
Wildest Kruger Sightings, youtube.com

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Deiringer, N et al. The functional anatomy of elephant trunk whiskers. Commun Biol. 2023 Jun 8;6(1):591. doi: 10.1038/s42003-023-04945-5.

Foerder P, et al. Insightful problem solving in an Asian elephant. PLoS One. 2011;6(8):e23251. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0023251.

Hoerner F, et al. Long-Term Olfactory Memory in African Elephants. Animals (Basel). 2023 Feb 15;13(4):679. doi: 10.3390/ani13040679

Kaufmann, L.V., et al. Elephant Banana Peeling. Current Biology, 33, R239–R258, April 10, 2023.

Lefebvre J, et al. Monitoring Thermoregulation Patterns in Asian Elephants (Elephas maximus) in Winter Months in Southwestern Ontario Using Infrared Thermography. Journal of Zoological and Botanical Gardens. 2023; 4(2):312-324. doi.org

Li LL, Plotnik JM, Xia SW, Meaux E, Quan RC. Cooperating elephants mitigate competition until the stakes get too high. PLoS Biol. 2021 Sep 28;19(9):e3001391. doi: 10.1371/journal.pbio.3001391

Plotnik JM, et al. Elephants know when they need a helping trunk in a cooperative task. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2011 Mar 22;108(12):5116-21. doi: 10.1073/pnas.1101765108.

Plotnik JM, et al. Self-recognition in an Asian elephant. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2006 Nov 7;103(45):17053-7. doi: 10.1073/pnas.0608062103.

Martins AF, et al. Locally-curved geometry generates bending cracks in the African elephant skin. Nat Commun. 2018 Oct 2;9(1):3865. doi: 10.1038/s41467-018-06257-3. 

Myhrvold CL, et al. (2012) What Is the Use of Elephant Hair? PLoS ONE 7(10): e47018. doi.org

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Schulz AK, Boyle M, Boyle C, Sordilla S, Rincon C, Hooper S, Aubuchon C, Reidenberg JS, Higgins C, Hu DL. Skin wrinkles and folds enable asymmetric stretch in the elephant trunk. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2022 Aug 2;119(31):e2122563119. doi: 10.1073/pnas.2122563119.

Schulz Andrew K., Ning Wu Jia, Ha Sung Yeon Sara, Kim Greena, Braccini Slade Stephanie, Rivera Sam, Reidenberg Joy S. and Hu David L. 2021Suction feeding by elephantsJ. R. Soc. Interface.182021021520210215, doi.org

Schulz AK, Reidenberg JS, Ning Wu J, Ying Tang C, Seleb B, Mancebo J, Elgart N, Hu DL. Elephant trunks use an adaptable prehensile grip. Bioinspir Biomim. 2023 Feb 8;18(2). doi: 10.1088/1748-3190/acb477.

Stoeger AS, Baotic A. Operant control and call usage learning in African elephants. Philos Trans R Soc Lond B Biol Sci. 2021 Oct 25;376(1836):20200254. doi: 10.1098/rstb.2020.0254.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 21, 2023 • 4:43:36pm

re: #198 EPR-radar

My take has been, for some time now, that the bombing of Nagasaki was totally not necessary.

The Emperor (and the military chiefs) could have been convinced after Hiroshima (which I suspect was not necessary either.)

We had control of the air space.

We could have dropped a bomb in Tokyo bay that would have gotten the attention of everyone and forced the surrender.

Undoubtedly Truman wanted to demonstrate to Stalin that he (Truman) would do what was necessary to win and not let Stalin invade and take parts of Japan.

The cold war started with the bomb going off.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jul 21, 2023 • 4:45:35pm

President Joe Biden has chosen Adm. Lisa Franchetti to lead the Navy, an unprecedented choice that, if she is confirmed, will make her the first woman to be a Pentagon service chief and the first female member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,” the AP reports.

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Nerdy Fish  Jul 21, 2023 • 4:47:34pm

re: #2 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Senator Tuberville has no intention of letting that happen.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 21, 2023 • 4:48:28pm

Mastodon

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EPR-radar  Jul 21, 2023 • 4:48:49pm

re: #1 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The cold war was inevitable, IMO, independent of any details on precisely how WWII ended in the Pacific. The USSR was always going to create satellite states in Europe.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 21, 2023 • 4:54:02pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 21, 2023 • 4:59:28pm

Mastodon

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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2023 • 4:59:51pm

Now climbing the country western charts with a bullet: “We’re Just Gonna Fuckin’ Kill Ya” by Rason Cornfinger.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:05:42pm

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:08:51pm

In regards to the growing MegaMillions jackpot tonight:

Retired engineer scores huge lottery win with help of trusty spreadsheet in New Mexico

A retired aerospace engineer won the New Mexico Lottery and it wasn’t his first time, officials said.

The Albuquerque resident won a $3 million Mega Millions prize, according to a June 2 news release from the New Mexico Lottery.

[…]

The lucky retiree and math fanatic uses an online spreadsheet to keep track of his favorite numbers, the release said. When he checked the numbers online, “he knew he’d won.”

[…]

The man who recommends to “always use the same numbers and never change your numbers” plans to use the winnings toward his home, investments and to share with his family, the release said.

This is what I call the mountain-comes-to-Buddha method of playing lotteries.

That somehow your numbers are magic (because they are yours), so the (drawn) lottery will eventually come to you.

It’s not as wacky as it may at first sound.

Given enough tries, the (drawn numbers) lottery machine will eventually spit out your numbers.

The only question is this: how long are you willing to wait out the machine?

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IngisKahn  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:10:27pm

Oppenheimer was excellent.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:12:17pm

re: #11 IngisKahn

Oppenheimer was excellent.

Christopher Nolan hasn’t missed yet.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:16:36pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:21:24pm
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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:22:19pm

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:24:21pm

Here’s a thought on the Georgia racketeering charges…if witness influencing is a crime, then not only Trump, but Meadows, Giuliani and Graham could face racketeering conspiracy charges.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:25:26pm

I have another bluesky invite code at long last. Any of you lizards interested?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:25:29pm

re: #16 darthstar

The grand jury can indict whoever they deem worthy.

Let them have at it!

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jeffreyw  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:25:52pm

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Vicious Babushka  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:26:17pm

re: #15 Backwoods Sleuth

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:26:51pm

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:29:56pm

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Vicious Babushka  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:32:22pm

re: #21 Backwoods Sleuth

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wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:33:32pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

I have another bluesky invite code at long last. Any of you lizards interested?

yes, please.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:33:49pm

re: #23 Vicious Babushka

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:35:40pm


Jesse Watters gone “race realist.”

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The GOP is a Terrorist Organization  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:36:05pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:38:31pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

Wrenchwench has claimed it. I hereby declare.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:38:41pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:39:49pm

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Nerdy Fish  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:39:54pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Wrenchwench has claimed it. I hereby declare.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:39:57pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

I have another bluesky invite code at long last. Any of you lizards interested?

If not already taken by VB. :)

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:40:14pm
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Vicious Babushka  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:40:19pm

See you all on the other side of Saturday. 😘

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Nerdy Fish  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:40:44pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

See you all on the other side of Saturday. 😘

Shabbat shalom, my scaly friend.

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Vicious Babushka  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:41:32pm

re: #32 GlutenFreeJesus

If not already taken by VB. :)

I just received one. @viciousbabushka.bsky.social

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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:43:35pm

I’ll try to get as many of you guys invited to Bluesky as possible, but they’re still limiting the invite codes to one every two weeks, so the supply is much smaller than the demand.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:43:42pm

The Fleas of Texas salute you!
khou.com

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:44:20pm

re: #1 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Agreed. The home islands, thanks to the US navy’s submarines had pretty much achieved what the Kriegsmarine’s U-boats couldn’t accomplish, were completely blocked off from the rest of the world. Japan was pretty much condemned to starvation and its military lacked all the resources used for modern war.

The B-29s could burn any Japanese city at will, and pretty much did.

The atomic bombs were unnecessary except as a warning to Stalin.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:44:36pm
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wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:45:06pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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Jay C  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:46:58pm

re: #33 Backwoods Sleuth

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Gonzo Ronzo still blithering away about “pushing sexual topics onto children”? To try to deflect criticism of the state’s new “happy darkies” guidelines for teaching history? SRSLY: who is advising this assclown?

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The GOP is a Terrorist Organization  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:47:18pm

We did them a favor!

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gocart mozart  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:48:59pm

Please take my poll.

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Captain Ron  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:50:24pm

re: #38 Dave In Austin

The Fleas of Texas salute you!
khou.com

..so Texas now has Malaria and Typhus!

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:51:11pm

re: #26 DodgerFan1988

Guess he didn’t listen to his mother.

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Jay C  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:51:52pm

re: #44 gocart mozart

Please take my poll.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:53:51pm

re: #33 Backwoods Sleuth

Hey! Ron!

You forgot the “Hail Victory!” at the end of your statement.

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sagehen  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:53:53pm

what’s the time difference from the US east coast to New Zealand? When’s our game against Vietnam?

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:55:07pm

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:56:14pm

Marvel Studios’ The Marvels | Official Trailer

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silverdolphin  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:56:38pm

The blooms keep coming.

Early Snow daylily
Night Embers 2 daylily
English Madrigal daylily
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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:58:02pm

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:58:30pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

I’ll try to get as many of you guys invited to Bluesky as possible, but they’re still limiting the invite codes to one every two weeks, so the supply is much smaller than the demand.

It’s much appreciated, boss!

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Jay C  Jul 21, 2023 • 5:59:30pm

re: #49 sagehen

what’s the time difference from the US east coast to New Zealand? When’s our game against Vietnam?

Handy World Clock sez +16 hours, so it’s 21:00 ET here, 13:00 tomorrow in NZ.

I hope

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:00:49pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:02:20pm

re: #52 silverdolphin

The blooms keep coming.

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In front of my building are plants with 5’ tall stems with what look like orange day lilies on top. Sorry, no pics. Maybe soon.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:07:43pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:09:38pm

re: #33 Backwoods Sleuth

One does marvel at the level of lying Republican doublethink in that standard.

There is no such thing in chattel slavery as skills that can be used by slaves for their personal benefit.

Any Republican that dares to argue otherwise should be a slave for a few months and the lesson might sink in.

Edited to add: This is such a thinly disguised attempt to bring back the old pro-slavery apologetic “at least we converted them to Christianity”

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Captain Ron  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:10:19pm
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jeffreyw  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:11:59pm

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CleverToad  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:12:00pm

re: #52 silverdolphin

The blooms keep coming.

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Loving the show!
Thanks for the lovely colors to brighten our timeline

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:13:00pm
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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:15:17pm
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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:17:24pm

re: #63 ckkatz

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:19:27pm
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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:20:51pm

It’s not real. I don’t care.

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silverdolphin  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:22:05pm

re: #57 wrenchwench

In front of my building are plants with 5’ tall stems with what look like orange day lilies on top. Sorry, no pics. Maybe soon.

So-called Ditch lillies are pretty common in the US. It is listed as a non-native invasive plant in parts of the US and treated like a weed.

Ditch Lily
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darthstar  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:22:14pm

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:23:47pm

*snork*

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silverdolphin  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:25:05pm

re: #65 ckkatz

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She has been on fire the last couple of months. Her speech for the Tennesse Three was amazing. Angry Kamala is wonderful.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:26:27pm
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jeffreyw  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:27:58pm

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Two young boys walked into a pharmacy one day, picked out a box of tampons, and proceeded to the checkout counter.
The pharmacist at the counter asked the older boy, ‘Son, how old are you?’
‘Eight’, the boy replied.
The man continued, ‘Do you know what these are used for?’
The boy replied, ‘Not exactly, but they aren’t for me. They’re for him. He’s my brother. He’s four.”
“Oh, really?” the pharmacist replied with a grin.
“Yes.” the boy said. “We saw on TV that if you use these, you would be able to swim, play tennis and ride a bike. Right now, he can’t do none of those.”

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Nojay UK  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:28:14pm

re: #1 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

My take has been, for some time now, that the bombing of Nagasaki was totally not necessary.

The Emperor (and the military chiefs) could have been convinced after Hiroshima (which I suspect was not necessary either.)

The Japanese War Cabinet, the people in charge, met in Tokyo late on the morning of 9th August 1945 to hear reports of the Nagasaki bombing earlier that day and the news that the Soviet Union had declared war on Japan one minute past midnight and subsequently attacked the mainland Manchuko Army with over a million troops and overwhelming numbers of artillery, tanks and aircraft. After discussion the Cabinet refused to unconditionally surrender to the Allies and the war continued. They were willing to consider surrender at that point, it is true but the conditions included no disarmament of Japanese military forces and no occupation of Japanese territory by the Allies, things they knew had been imposed on the defeated Germans. It took two more days for the Emperor’s thoughts on the subject of surrender to change their minds and agree to unconditional surrender.

As for the atomic bombs, they were new wonder-weapons in a war full of new wonder-weapons, singularly destructive in a scientifically clinical fashion but a massed attack on a city by B-29 bombers laden with incendiaries could be just as destructive and horrific, as the cities of Tokyo, Yokohama, Osaka and several other Japanese cities had found out. Just to give you an idea what the Japanese faced even without nukes, the Boeing plant in Seattle built three hundred brand-new B-29 bombers in one month. That month was October 1945, AFTER Japan surrendered.

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jaunte  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:28:29pm

re: #65 ckkatz

The party with a convicted rapist as their leader wants to minimize the history of institutionalized rape.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:30:58pm

School board president goes berserk, kicks pro-LGBTQ+ state schools chief out of meeting

alternet.org

A San Bernardino County, California school board president, Sonja Shaw, acknowledging a political grudge, grew angered and agitated in front of parents and students attending a school board meeting Thursday, kicking the State Superintendent of Public Instruction out after publicly berating him, accusing him of “proposing things that pervert children,” “blackmail,” and yelling at him that he had supported her opponent for election.

Superintendent Tony Thurmond was at a podium for public speakers at a meeting of the Chino Valley Unified School District school board to weigh in on a controversial proposed policy. If passed, teachers would be required to notify parents within three days, in writing, if their child identifies as transgender or gender non-conforming, asks to be called by a name that does not match school records or their birth certificate, is involved in violence, or talks about suicide, the Daily Bulletin reports.

Speaking at the meeting, Thurmond warned the policy may “not only fall outside of the laws that respect privacy and safety for our students, but may put our students at risk because they may not be in homes where they can be safe -“

His microphone was then cut off without warning.

Thurmond was thrown out of the meeting.

The State School Chief was THROWN OUT of a School Board meeting.

Let That Sink In!

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:31:05pm

Gah…never edit a post with a mastodon insert…look below:

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:33:04pm

Mastodon

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:33:43pm

I have a Bluesky code. Who wants it?

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:36:41pm
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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:37:25pm

re: #68 silverdolphin

So-called Ditch lillies are pretty common in the US. It is listed as a non-native invasive plant in parts of the US and treated like a weed.

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I want to second the many thankyou’s for the delightful daylilly pictures.

Your comment about Ditch Lilies got me curious as I had always assumed that they were “Tiger Lilies”. I had not heard of “Ditch Lilies” before. Talk about leading a sheltered life.

It turns out you are spot on.

The Ditch Lily is as mentioned by you, Hemerocallis fulva and is edible by humans. (Although toxic to cats and dogs. The Tiger Lily is (usually, as multiple species are colloquially referred to as Tiger Lily) Lilium lancifolium. The wikipedia says that it is edible although many Lilium are thought to be toxic to humans.

Put that down as another of the many things that I have learned here at LGF!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:37:36pm

I’m watching a Foreigner concert in PBS and I had no idea they had so many different lead singers.

This is a good concert.

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wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:39:17pm

re: #68 silverdolphin

So-called Ditch lillies are pretty common in the US. It is listed as a non-native invasive plant in parts of the US and treated like a weed.

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:42:06pm

Spend 6K on a chair, and Assholetta decides it’s hers. (At least we saved a couple of grand by picking it up at a consignment shop).

Here it is before it became hers…surprised my wife with the tulip side table…saw her admiring them at the store and said we’d spent enough…then called back the next day and had them add it to the shipment.

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Nerdy Fish  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:44:18pm

re: #84 darthstar

You bought new furniture with a cat in the house. Exactly how did you expect it to turn out?

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gocart mozart  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:44:24pm
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silverdolphin  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:48:51pm

Race was a factor in Black professor’s failed hiring, Texas A&M department head says

Not only racism here, not just lies but possibly fraud. The head of the department of communications and journalism at TAMU saw his signature used on documents that he never signed.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:51:51pm
Click to Reveal

Efuseakay at BlueSky. :)

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Dave In Austin  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:53:25pm

re: #79 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I have a Bluesky code. Who wants it?

Please?

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:54:04pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Two weeks? Damn. I thought it was a week for some reason. Now I know why I haven’t got an invite code yet.

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Nerdy Fish  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:54:35pm

re: #90 teleskiguy

Two weeks? Damn. I thought it was a week for some reason. Now I know why I haven’t got an invite code yet.

For new members, they get their first one early.

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:55:08pm

my first bluesky invite is spoken for, sorry! i promised my good SocMed friend Tim in Portland, OR that i’d get him in

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 21, 2023 • 6:59:37pm

re: #89 Dave In Austin

Please?

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:00:33pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:01:09pm

re: #91 Nerdy Fish

For new members, they get their first one early.

I joined nine days ago. Still no invite codes.

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:02:14pm
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Joe Bacon ✅  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:02:43pm

Hopefully Smartmatic takes Murdoch to the cleaners for a couple billion dollars because of liars like this.

Ingraham accuses the CIA of protecting elections to stop Trump

alternet.org

Fox News host Laura Ingraham on Friday accused the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Central Intelligence Agency of cooperatively spoiling former President Donald Trump’s chances of winning the 2024 election.

“But if all else fails, if the endless indictments of Trump don’t do the job, Democrats could have another trick up their sleeve. And, naturally, the CIA is involved. Remember, they’re only here to protect the vote, of course,” Ingraham said.

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:04:13pm

I suspect that this may be one of several legacies -

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retired cynic  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:04:16pm

What is the thought about this? Tiedrich is usually fairly straight, but I had never heard this phone hack story.

listen up, stupids:
there is no “Hunter Biden laptop.”
what exists is a disembodied hard drive that Rudy Giuliani farted on.
here’s a dose of reality:
someone hacked Hunter Biden’s iPhone.
they stole his data and downloaded it to a laptop.
“a” laptop — not “Hunter Biden’s” laptop.
the hackers mixed some of Hunter Biden’s actual data with a lot of faked bullshit.
forensic analysis has proved this.
this laptop’s hard drive made its way to Rudy Giuliani.
the drive may have also passed through the hands of as many as 40 people.
your so-called “evidence” is fucking worthless.
go read up about ‘chain of custody’ and get back to me.
meanwhile, sit the fuck down and stop making noise, you sound like a weird obsessed loser

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:04:29pm

re: #87 silverdolphin

Why do the authoritarians and barbarians masquerading as conservatives feel that the only way to win is to cheat? Isn’t one of their big worries about the moral collapse of civilization?

Oh wait. Never mind. Their concern is, as always, performative and projective.

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:10:32pm

@jmritchey.bsky.social

Having now seen Oppenheimer and Barbie I more than ever want the unions to win their strikes to make it less of an anomaly for films their creators clearly wanted to make to show up in multiplexes.

Both films are worth seeing and they honestly do make an interesting double in that both in part are about unleashing forces be they nuclear fission or consumer capitalism that ultimately devour you.

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:12:01pm

re: #99 retired cynic

Here’s a report from a year ago:

nbcnews.com

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:15:45pm

re: #99 retired cynic

The alleged Hunter Biden laptop supposedly surfaced as ‘abandoned’ in a repair shop.

Hundreds of thousands of files are supposed to have been found on it. But there is no clean chain of custody. There are multiple versions of files being sent around. And there have been credible allegations that some of the files have been provided to GOP operatives by hostile foreign intelligence services. Particularly from Russia.

Despite all the noise, claims, assertions, and hand waving coming from GOP operatives and others who would benefit if Joe Biden were not re-elected, I would be surprised if much of it would stand up in a court of law or other rigorous analysis.

ETA - I subscribe to the Mossad theory of intelligence services.The theory goes that if a highly competent intelligence service decides to kill you. It is going to happen.

Additionally, this also goes for having your digital communications hacked. No matter how careful and ‘hygienic’ you are.

The Ukrainian war has shown how amazingly successful US hacking into the Russian Government is. Leaks have shown how good the Chinese have hacked the US Government.

And it is clear that elements of the MAGA world are assisting hostile foreign powers in hacking the US.

Hunter Biden was apparently an easy target as a civilian, and with his mental issues.

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steve_davis  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:17:35pm

re: #1 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

My take has been, for some time now, that the bombing of Nagasaki was totally not necessary.

The Emperor (and the military chiefs) could have been convinced after Hiroshima (which I suspect was not necessary either.)

We had control of the air space.

We could have dropped a bomb in Tokyo bay that would have gotten the attention of everyone and forced the surrender.

Undoubtedly Truman wanted to demonstrate to Stalin that he (Truman) would do what was necessary to win and not let Stalin invade and take parts of Japan.

The cold war started with the bomb going off.

the U.S. had something like 100,000 coffins prepared for troops based on an island invasion. The Japanese would have fought us for every square inch, even more fanatically than they fought for islands that no one could conceivably care about, short of their ability to have airfields plowed on to.

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Jay C  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:21:25pm

re: #99 retired cynic

What is the thought about this? Tiedrich is usually fairly straight, but I had never heard this phone hack story.

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He’s characteristically expressed it rather rudely, but his thesis is one I’ve heard before (and, one I firmly believe is accurate and true) - that yeah, there is NO real “Hunter Biden’s laptop”: that some (?most?) of HB’s actual personal data was hacked/cloned from its source, and subsequently copied onto a laptop (along with dog-knows what other shit), which then was “discovered” “unclaimed” at that shop in Delaware. With the obvious provenance/chain-of-custody issues being conveniently ignored.

And Jeff’s quite right: “fucking worthless” is an accurate (and to my mind, over-generous) description of any “evidence” said laptop might be supposed to provide.

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:22:21pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:22:43pm

re: #102 teleskiguy

consumer capitalism that ultimately devour you.

Now we know why conservative shitheads are so mad a Barbie: The Movie.

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steve_davis  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:27:10pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

I’ll try to get as many of you guys invited to Bluesky as possible, but they’re still limiting the invite codes to one every two weeks, so the supply is much smaller than the demand.

is this gonna be like mastodon, where I’m gonna get invited and then I’m gonna be my dad trying to figure out how to get Netflix through Roku on the HDMI2 setting?

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jeffreyw  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:29:44pm

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sagehen  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:31:40pm

re: #105 steve_davis

the U.S. had something like 100,000 coffins prepared for troops based on an island invasion. The Japanese would have fought us for every square inch, even more fanatically than they fought for islands that no one could conceivably care about, short of their ability to have airfields plowed on to.

They ordered so many body bags in preparation for that invasion, we still haven’t used them all up.

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:33:21pm

For your consideration.

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EstebanTornado1963  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:33:32pm
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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:33:48pm
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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:35:11pm
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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:37:38pm
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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:42:26pm

I’m guessing that Kurt is a bit irritated -

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IngisKahn  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:43:01pm

It’s a good thing we have universal income in place before this AI thing goes crazy.

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:45:57pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:47:20pm

Mastodon

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:48:15pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:54:56pm

Mastodon

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(((Archangel1)))  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:56:10pm

Large Saturday protests in Israel have become a norm in the past few months due to the planned anti-democratic laws that Netanyahu’s “Hail Mary”* government is desperately trying to pass (in part to cripple the legislative branch while Netanyahu’s corruption trial continues).
This time, folks are making it to Jerusalem for a massive protest near the Knesset parliament. Highway 1 to Jerusalem has been flooded with insane amount of cars of folks driving in all day ahead of tomorrow’s protest, as shown in this video (taken by a driver heading out of the city at a time when it’d be almost entirely empty):

Tomorrow’s protests may yet hit a new record.

(* I call it that because his election win was a one-in-a-million success that happened not because he got more votes but because idiocy and arrogance of Left-wing party heads essentially got 6% of total votes, all liberal, to be disqualified by parliamentary rules; because all those in Bibi’s coalition government know they can’t possibly win again if early elections get called; and because they have no chance of passing any of the proposed “judicial reform” legislation without staggering local and global backlash)

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:57:43pm

Stonekettle sale Caturday 9AM CDT

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retired cynic  Jul 21, 2023 • 7:59:29pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

We are aware, and we are so, so sorry. I watched my father, and then my husband go, and it is devastating. We are holding you in our thoughts, truly!

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:01:19pm

re: #123 (((Archangel1)))

The right wing has to rig the election to win in Israel. Gee, that sounds like the United States, where the Alabama legislature is actively ignoring a Supreme Court ruling to create a second majority Black congressional district.

Golly, we’re like, all the same!

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CleverToad  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:04:12pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

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sending sympathy for you and your family, wishing you love and support to help each other through this rocky stretch of trail

vent here as much as you care to, as much as you need to
there’s ears to listen, who know what you’re talking about

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CleverToad  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:05:02pm

re: #122 teleskiguy

beautiful

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:06:45pm

re: #123 (((Archangel1)))

I’m hearing that there is a lot of concern in Israel about what Netanyahu and his allies are trying. Both in Israel and in the US. The Biden Administration and State Department are being very quiet right now. But interest groups slowly beginning to speak out.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:07:06pm

re: #100 Romantic Heretic

Why do the authoritarians and barbarians masquerading as conservatives feel that the only way to win is to cheat? Isn’t one of their big worries about the moral collapse of civilization?

Oh wait. Never mind. Their concern is, as always, performative and projective.

Again, I’ll say it as many times as necessary to change this narrative that they are not “real conservatives.”

They are. It is distressing how the “No True Christian Conservative” narrative seeps into political discourse.

Ever since conservatism was defined, every one of its major thinkers has argued conservatism is only about power. That’s what they’re conserving.

They resort to authoritarianism because conservatism is authoritarian. They will use democratic means if that will get them what they want (Hitler and Mussolini were both elected), but if that doesn’t work, they will use barbarism to enforce their rule.

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sagehen  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:10:26pm

USA beats Vietnam 3-0.

Our next game is Wednesday, against Netherlands.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:10:59pm

re: #93 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:12:12pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

So very sorry to hear what you are enduring. It absolutely sucks to watch a vibrant and full of life parent succumb to age and illness. And to know that there is so little a human can do beyond love, respect and honor the person and his memory.

My parents died almost 30 years ago. At age 70, I consider myself an orphan and think of them very often.

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(((Archangel1)))  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:13:41pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:14:33pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

I am so sorry you have to go thru this because I went thru it with Dad.

He passed away from a rare form of cancer that we believe was caused by the low level radiation he received working for years at the Shippingport Nuclear Generating plant.

It still hurts years after knowing what caused it.

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Captain Ron  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:20:11pm

YouTube

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:20:32pm

Mastodon

Thank you, Lizards. I ❤️ y’all.

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(((Archangel1)))  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:21:35pm

re: #126 teleskiguy

The right wing has to rig the election to win in Israel. Gee, that sounds like the United States, where the Alabama legislature is actively ignoring a Supreme Court ruling to create a second majority Black congressional district.

Golly, we’re like, all the same!

The sad thing is that in Israel’s case there was absolutely no rigging. It was ENTIRELY a self-inflicted wound. In a nutshell, while the Pro-Bibi parties closed ranks to minimize voter loss, the heads of two parties on the Anti-Bibi bloc decided they didn’t feel like sharing power and refused to cooperate with their usual partners. The result was that one failed to meet the parliamentary threshold (3.25%) and all its votes were discarded, while the other caused a different liberal party to fail in exactly the same manner. It’s a rare thing for one such party to fall like that; two in the same election hasn’t happened in over 30 years (and the election threshold was smaller).
All the votes those parties got went down with them, meaning the pro-Bibi bloc got a higher distribution percentage in the final tally, securing it the razor-thin win.

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sagehen  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:30:23pm

VP Harris’ Speech on Revisionist History in FL

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:31:17pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

[[[Teleskiguy]]] I’m sorry things are going poorly for your father. Please take care.

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(((Archangel1)))  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:32:12pm

re: #129 ckkatz

I’m hearing that there is a lot of concern in Israel about what Netanyahu and his allies are trying. Both in Israel and in the US. The Biden Administration and State Department are being very quiet right now. But interest groups slowly beginning to speak out.

Not that quiet - what little the Biden administration said this week was enough to dominate all the headlines for a couple of days, and rattle the hell out of Bibi from the looks of it.

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:43:01pm

When it comes to my Dad it’s the ol’ alcoholics creed all over again, one day at a time…

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jaunte  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:46:05pm

re: #142 teleskiguy

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silverdolphin  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:54:24pm

‘Justified: City Primeval’ is Relentlessly Cool

I’ll be watching on Hulu. Love Timothy.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 21, 2023 • 8:57:41pm

What happens when an audiophile is also an architect?

You end up with organization:

How to Assemble a High-End Audio System — Record/Tape Storage Cabinet



..

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:02:45pm

re: #143 jaunte

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retired cynic  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:04:03pm

re: #143 jaunte

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silverdolphin  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:06:31pm

Scientists identify genes that gave us the power to walk on two legs

They used a huge database of X-rays, some deep learning programs and some genomic sequecing to identify 145 genes involved in standing upright and walking.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:12:02pm

re: #143 jaunte

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CleverToad  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:14:22pm

re: #143 jaunte

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:17:23pm

re: #143 jaunte

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:17:33pm

Big Think weighs in with a centuries-old argument.

In the time of Elizabeth I of England and Ireland the statesman Francis Bacon published a short essay “On Atheism.” “It is true,” he says, “that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism; but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion.”

But atheism is not just intellectually shallow, he thinks; it’s morally pernicious. “They that deny a God destroy man’s nobility.” Atheism “destroys magnanimity” and deprives human nature of the “means to exalt itself above human frailty.”

That was in 1597 when atheists were pretty much outliers. But now, we live in an increasingly secular, “post-metaphysical” age, and significant parts of our populations don’t reject religion — it just isn’t part of their mental landscape. This alarms those believers who think that the moral fabric of society is being destroyed by this loss of religion. Secular humanists, on the other hand, assert that moral standards don’t depend on religious belief, and many secularists think that religion itself is pernicious — fundamentalist, obscurantist, patriarchal, repressive. This mutual antagonism isn’t the only possibility, of course, and fruitful conversation does take place, partners in conversation, listening rather than assuming, seeking common ground.

And there is an intriguing recent phenomenon that has become almost commonplace: “I’m secular rather than religious… but I’m also ‘spiritual.’” But what could this talk of spirituality mean if it is no longer grounded in religion? Maybe, though, there’s something to explore here, possible common ground between (some) believers and (some) non-believers.

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Is atheism destroying the moral fabric of society?

“The debate goes back at least 400 years.”

I would argue if this debate has been going on four hundred years (it’s actually been much longer than that), the answer would be “no.”

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:19:15pm

re: #137 teleskiguy

Knees bent, hands right in front of you. Good form. (not really, lol)

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ckkatz  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:19:28pm

Old song, but for some reason it came to mind earlier today -

20 Years | The Civil Wars | OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO

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austin_blue  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:22:57pm

Well, we beat Charlie Cong 3-0 tonight, so we should be on the front foot for the Netherlands in a couple of days.

But our performance was kind of scattered. We won, but we squandered a bunch of opportunities.

Whatever, it’s early days, a win is a win and I’m off for the rack.

Sweet dreams, all.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:28:55pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:30:48pm

The view from on top of Little Ram mountain. One can get a feel for the extensiveness of the lava flow to the south as it fills up valleys:

Volcano Report from the Summit of Litlihrutur, July 22, 2023. 00:15 am Iceland Eruption



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Captain Ron  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:31:15pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:32:27pm

re: #143 jaunte

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:34:24pm

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And there is an intriguing recent phenomenon that has become almost commonplace: “I’m secular rather than religious… but I’m also ‘spiritual.’” But what could this talk of spirituality mean if it is no longer grounded in religion? Maybe, though, there’s something to explore here, possible common ground between (some) believers and (some) non-believers.

Is atheism destroying the moral fabric of society?

“The debate goes back at least 400 years.”

Far more than 400 years. Many people are just reverting back to basic Plato: the idea that there is something more real than what we physically see around us.

This gets me back to my premise that the primary religious hypothesis is that there exists _the soul_ , not that there exists a god or gods.

When people say they are not religious but are “spiritual” they are saying they are Platonists, that there is some other, more real, existence than what physics describes.

They are hoping to exist after death.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:36:01pm

re: #160 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Reload for corrections.

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Captain Ron  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:40:39pm
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mmmirele  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:40:45pm

Dunno if y’all saw this.

The whole story is a clusterfuck.

The plan was to “purchase the sovereign nation of Nauru in order to construct a ‘bunker/shelter’ that would be used for ‘some event where 50-99.99% of people die [to] ensure that most EAs survive’” the memo said, referring to “effective altruism”, a philosophical and social movement championed by Bankman-Fried that tries to maximize the impact of charitable giving.

The memo also noted plans to develop “sensible regulation around human genetic enhancement, and build a lab there”. It also said “probably there are other things it’s useful to do with a sovereign country, too”.

I did not know that Nauru had become a money laundering state in the 1990s. I just remember in the early 1980s where Nauru was used as an example of “with enough money and time, any country, even Nauru, can get a nuclear weapon.”

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sagehen  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:42:51pm

re: #144 silverdolphin

‘Justified: City Primeval’ is Relentlessly Cool

I’ll be watching on Hulu. Love Timothy.

I’ve watched the first two episodes. Raylan is… still very much Raylan. Age and distance has not mellowed him AT ALL.

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Captain Ron  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:45:04pm
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Captain Ron  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:51:54pm
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retired cynic  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:53:20pm

re: #166 Captain Ron

Just like PACs buying up enough of a favorite’s book so that it hits the best seller list, and then they hand them out for donations like candy.

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2023 • 9:53:28pm

re: #165 Captain Ron

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That’s the GQP for you: When “the people” are getting fucked sideways without lube, the best “solution” they can offer…is culture wars BS. No reforms, no state assistance, and certainly no help from the feds. Just “we’ll make those queer folks hurt so you feel good about yourself.”

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Jay C  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:14:11pm

re: #163 mmmirele

Isn’t Nauru also basically an atoll with an average elevation of about a foot above sea level? One would hope SBF’s Doomsday Retreat included a seawall (or floats) in case rising sea levels were part of those apocalyptic scenarios…

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:14:20pm

Working in the service industry can really do a lot to stomp out whatever smidge of faith you still had in the intelligence of your fellow man. One example is the number of people I get coming to the front desk in the dead of night on a Thur or Fri night to ask me is there any way I can extend their reservation out another day and then acting shocked when told that we’re sold-out for the weekend and I can’t just “put [their] name on a list” so they don’t have to bother coming down here in the morning but instead have a guaranteed extension if “somebody cancels.”

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retired cynic  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:16:59pm

re: #169 Jay C

dredge and build up? develop gills? develop island floats?

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Captain Ron  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:17:55pm
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retired cynic  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:20:23pm

re: #172 Captain Ron

Predicting financial future like predicting end of the world. Everyone notices when you keep hitting it wrong.

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:21:04pm

re: #172 Captain Ron

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I’m so old, I remember when the lie was that conservatives supported a “free market” and that they believed competition was a good thing because it lowered prices to consumers while offering them a larger selection of goods and services.

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Captain Ron  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:26:50pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:27:22pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

I’m so old, I remember when the lie was that conservatives supported a “free market” and that they believed competition was a good thing because it lowered prices to consumers while offering them a larger selection of goods and services.

They still lie about it and say they support it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:41:02pm

What the world’s budding autocrats are learning from El Salvador (The Economist, July 21, 2023)

It is a recipe to make strongmen salivate. Nayib Bukele, El Salvador’s president, has worked out how to chop away democratic restraints while keeping an approval rating of 80-90%. One ingredient is his mastery of social media. The main one is locking up huge numbers of young men.

Since March last year, when Mr Bukele imposed a state of emergency, he has arrested more than 71,000 people, equivalent to 7% of male Salvadoreans aged 14-29. Anyone suspected of ties to a criminal gang can be thrown into a crowded jail—indefinitely. Little evidence is required: a suspicious tattoo or an anonymous accusation will suffice. Those detained will eventually have proper trials, the government insists, but so far they have had only cursory hearings, sometimes with hundreds of suspects appearing simultaneously before a judge. Mr Bukele glories in brutality, tweeting photos of suspects cuffed, half-naked and packed tighter than battery hens.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:43:50pm

re: #175 Captain Ron

Despite his sins — and they were many — Nixon was smart and very knowledgeable about history and both foreign and domestic policy. He may have been corrupt like Trump, but in a very different way. No one would have charged him with being a tool of foreign dictatorships hostile to our our nation.

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sizzzzlerz  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:46:03pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

Working in the service industry can really do a lot to stomp out whatever smidge of faith you still had in the intelligence of your fellow man. One example is the number of people I get coming to the front desk in the dead of night on a Thur or Fri night to ask me is there any way I can extend their reservation out another day and then acting shocked when told that we’re sold-out for the weekend and I can’t just “put [their] name on a list” so they don’t have to bother coming down here in the morning but instead have a guaranteed extension if “somebody cancels.”

The website notalwaysright.com provides daily examples that reinforce your point. When the customer’s request is denied, they either scream and shout like a 3 year old, call the worker a variety of colorful names, or immediately demand to talk to the manager. Mostly all three. It does make one despair over the fate of the human race.

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sizzzzlerz  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:48:02pm

re: #178 Hecuba’s daughter

Despite his sins — and they were many — Nixon was smart and very knowledgeable about history and both foreign and domestic policy. He may have been corrupt like Trump, but in a very different way. No one would have charged him with being a tool of foreign dictatorships hostile to our our nation.

Let’s say he was corrupt for the standards of his day.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:49:38pm

re: #179 sizzzzlerz

The website notalwaysright.com provides daily examples that reinforce your point. When the customer’s request is denied, they either scream and shout like a 3 year old, call the worker a variety of colorful names, or immediately demand to talk to the manager. Mostly all three. It does make one despair over the fate of the human race.

Top story there at the moment:

Our store has a self-serve candy area where you pay for candies in a paper bag by weight. I have seen a group of older teens weighing some chocolate raisins for a few minutes now, adding in a single raisin at a time and weighing the bag after each one.

Me: “If you guys have a tight budget, I’m able to adjust the price by a few pennies at the checkout if that helps?”

Customer: “No, I am trying to get the receipt to say $6.66.”

Me: “Oh… Why?”

Customer: “Grandma has been staying with us all summer and it’s all ‘Jesus this’ and ‘this house is godless’ that. She’s dragged us to church so many times and told us how sinful we all are.”

Me: “That can’t be fun.”

Customer: “She told me off for eating cheesecake the other day, saying that gluttony is a sin, but she loves her chocolate raisins, so I want it to come to $6.66 so I can tell her that her love of chocolate is a sin and that this is a sign.”

Me: “Oof! That’s a bit mean.”

Customer: “She should have thought of that before she came for my cheesecake.”

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silverdolphin  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:53:21pm

re: #172 Captain Ron

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He is the perfect example of the Third Way democrat who is actually more in line with Republicans than the modern Democratic party on fiscal issues.

I lost interest in him when, as President of Harvard, he postulated, in a provocative fashion, that the reason why women were not well represented in the top tier schools like Harvard is that they simply were not good enough, intrinsically. He pretty much ignored the much larger effects that society had on opportunities for women. as well as suggesting that Harvard is a pure meritocracy where only the best are hired. Just stupid.

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:53:54pm

I’m going to see Oppenheimer on Sunday afternoon in an IMAX theater. I am very excited! OMG

When I heard Christopher Nolan was going to recreate the Trinity Test on film I immediately became INTENSELY interested.

I thought “Chris Nolan has to recreate The Trinity Test” and he’s well known for using practical special effects no matter how crazy.

The film is complete, and I guess he did it right?

I’ll see on Sunday.

🙂

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sizzzzlerz  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:57:20pm

re: #164 sagehen

I’ve watched the first two episodes. Raylan is… still very much Raylan. Age and distance has not mellowed him AT ALL.

Do they have a character like Boyd Crowder? AFAIC, he made the show just as much as Raylan. The good guy needs a good bad guy to play off of.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:58:44pm

re: #183 teleskiguy

When I heard Christopher Nolan was going to recreate the Trinity Test on film I immediately became INTENSELY interested.

I thought “Chris Nolan has to recreate The Trinity Test” and he’s well known for using practical special effects no matter how crazy.

Nolan is well-known for his use of practical VFX in his films. The thought I had when I read that he was going to make the film was, “This is Christopher Nolan we’re talking about, so he’ll probably have the FX team whip up an actual atomic bomb.”

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 10:59:25pm

Recreating The Trinity Test on film is an achievement.

I see Oppenheimer in IMAX Sunday afternoon.

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2023 • 11:06:27pm

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

Nolan is well-known for his use of practical VFX in his films. The thought I had when I read that he was going to make the film was, “This is Christopher Nolan we’re talking about, so he’ll probably have the FX team whip up an actual atomic bomb.”

You lucky motherfucker! [I think] You’re near a movie theater that is showing a 70mm IMAX print of Oppenheimer…

cinemacity.cz

def lemme no !!

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2023 • 11:33:08pm

re: #179 sizzzzlerz

The website notalwaysright.com provides daily examples that reinforce your point. When the customer’s request is denied, they either scream and shout like a 3 year old, call the worker a variety of colorful names, or immediately demand to talk to the manager. Mostly all three. It does make one despair over the fate of the human race.

I’ve seen so many people have to point out the reality of that damned saying because it actually reads “The customer is always right in matters of taste.” And considering the fellow the quote originated with was the owner of a high-end suit-making business on Savile Row, it makes absolute sense because if somebody has the money to afford a suit that costs that much, then they can have whatever the fuck they want. It doesn’t apply to some choosing beggar trying to argue that paying $.05 more on their Big Mac means they should also get a large drink and an apple pie.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 21, 2023 • 11:40:38pm

re: #187 teleskiguy

You lucky motherfucker! [I think] You’re near a movie theater that is showing a 70mm IMAX print of Oppenheimer…

cinemacity.cz

def lemme no !!

There’s nine IMAX theatres in Nebraska (all in Omaha or its suburbs, plus one in Council Bluffs, Iowa across the river). That’s 420 miles.

There are none in Wyoming.

In Colorado, there’s one in Loveland and six in the Denver area. There’s also one in Colorado Springs. Loveland is the nearest at 192 miles.

There are none in South Dakota.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 21, 2023 • 11:44:02pm

Mastodon

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No Malarkey!  Jul 21, 2023 • 11:45:27pm

How doomed is the Pence campaign? He’s in danger of failing to qualify for the GOP debate, and he fell into fourth place in the polls behind Ramaswamy.

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silverdolphin  Jul 21, 2023 • 11:46:51pm

re: #184 sizzzzlerz

Do they have a character like Boyd Crowder? AFAIC, he made the show just as much as Raylan. The good guy needs a good bad guy to play off of.

From what I have read, they sure do and the actor is Boyd Holbrook who has done some great work as baddies.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 12:01:03am

Reddit: Moderators of subreddits do all their work for free. Writers do as well.

We still own you.

Reddit is now in charge of r/malefashionadvice, which for a time was the biggest subreddit still closed in protest of the platform’s API pricing changes. The subreddit is now open, meaning Reddit users can browse content in the community once again, though in a restricted mode, meaning only certain users can make new posts.

As we reported last week, the moderators of r/malefashionadvice, a subreddit with than 5 million subscribers, had taken the community private and were pushing its users toward Discord and Substack instead. At the time, the moderators expected to be removed after receiving a message from a Reddit admin (employee), ModCodeofConduct, telling them they would be replaced if they didn’t reopen.

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The moderators were fired and Reddit forced the subreddit to reopen from private status.

Reddit takes over one of the biggest protesting subreddits

The person they put in charge is also now in charge of seven other subreddits,

The largest subreddit now still protesting Reddit’s Elno-like demand to pay for their API is r/Streetwear, with four million users.

When the protest against Reddit started, the moderators of r/Atheism said they supported the protestors, but as a place for people to seek advice, help those sexually assaulted by church members, and organise escapes in the USA and Muslim countries, they said they couldn’t in good conscious make the subreddit private.

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2023 • 12:05:03am

FFS.

So, the last hour has been a joy…

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2023 • 12:12:30am

re: #187 teleskiguy

You lucky motherfucker! [I think] You’re near a movie theater that is showing a 70mm IMAX print of Oppenheimer…

cinemacity.cz

def lemme no !!

Sadly, no. The cinema listed at the link is in Prague, about 230 miles away. IIRC, the Flora CinemaCity is the one and only IMAX theater in the entire country.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 12:13:54am

KSL-TV, Salt Lake City, July 21, 2023

In the annals of fiscal conservatism, the Utah Attorney General has joined a lawsuit filed by the US Chamber of Commerce against the Securities and Exchange Commission.

The lawsuit alleges free speech violations against the Chamber from a rule adopted by the SEC in May requiring corporations which float stock buybacks to give the rationale for the buyback.

Utah’s late to the game, since twenty-five other Republican-run states are already wasting their taxpayers’ money to protect billionaires.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 12:14:46am

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

ksl.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 12:26:36am

I wonder what political party this guy belongs to? Another day, another church leader.

Utah County restaurant owner accused of sexually abusing teen worker (KSL-TV, Salt Lake City, July 20, 2023)

He is, of course, a church bishop, specifically a former First Counsellor (an advisor to a presidency, or leader of a Mormon church district).

Kevin Gerald Bowman, 42, of Spanish Fork, was arrested Thursday for investigation of forcible sexual abuse and lewdness.

The investigation began June 8 when a 16-year-old girl told police “she was sexually assaulted by Kevin while at her place of employment at Teriyaki Madness,” according to a police booking affidavit.

Police say Bowman is the owner of the restaurant at 788 N. 800 East.

The girl told police Bowman would “make inappropriate comments to her, call her beautiful and gorgeous, grabbed her breasts and would ‘brush her butt,’” the affidavit alleges. She recounted several incidents to detectives, including a time when Bowman dropped his shorts and stood in front of the girl wearing “see-through” mesh underwear allegedly to show her his sunburn; a time he inappropriately touched her while applying itching cream to the girl, and a second time he inappropriately touched her, according to the affidavit.

(more)

Utah County restaurant owner accused of sexually abusing teen worker (July 20, 2023)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 12:31:21am

That’s not scary for a secular government official in the military at all to say at a public forum.

Defense One, July 20, 2023

Pentagon AI more ethical than adversaries’ because of ‘Judeo-Christian society,’ USAF general says

An Air Force general said the Pentagon’s code of ethics surrounding the use of artificial intelligence is better than some other countries’ because of the United States’ “Judeo-Christian” foundation.

“Regardless of what your beliefs are, our society is a Judeo-Christian society and we have a moral compass. Not everybody does, and there are those that are willing to go for the ends regardless of what means have to be employed, and we’ll have to be ready for that,” Lt. Gen. Richard Moore, the Air Force’s deputy chief of staff for plans and programs, said Thursday at a Hudson Institute event.

“What will the adversary do? It depends who plays by the rules of warfare and who doesn’t. There are societies that have a very different foundation than ours,” Moore said.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 12:40:55am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The nice, smug certitude of a religious nut.

Regardless of what your beliefs are, our society is a Judeo-Christian society and we have a moral compass.

Wrong, asshole.

I’d be terrified of an AI trained on the Bible.

“What should we do with the town we just captured?”

“Kill all the men who refuse to be enslaved, and kill the livestock and salt the earth, and kill all the women who have known a man after you rape them, and seize all the virgin girls as your property.”

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2023 • 12:41:54am

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

KSL-TV, Salt Lake City, July 21, 2023

In the annals of fiscal conservatism, the Utah Attorney General has joined a lawsuit filed by the US Chamber of Commerce against the Securities and Exchange Commission.

The lawsuit alleges free speech violations against the Chamber from a rule adopted by the SEC in May requiring corporations which float stock buybacks to give the rationale for the buyback.

Utah’s late to the game, since twenty-five other Republican-run states are already wasting their taxpayers’ money to protect billionaires.

Yeah, stock buybacks are another of the enduring “legacy” of the Reagan years, another example of how their “pro-business” policies allowed those greedy bastards to take profits that would once been invested back in those businesses and in their employees and stuff them in their own pockets instead.

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2023 • 12:49:29am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

That’s not scary for a secular government official in the military at all to say at a public forum.

Defense One, July 20, 2023

Pentagon AI more ethical than adversaries’ because of ‘Judeo-Christian society,’ USAF general says

(more)

Is this the point where we point out that a massacre was justified on the cry of “Kill them all, God will know which are his”?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 12:54:31am

re: #202 Targetpractice

Is this the point where we point out that a massacre was justified on the cry of “Kill them all, God will know which are his”?

I think he would approve of that.

His little “Judeo-Christian” bit also leaves out everyone in his command who isn’t Christian or Jewish.

The Lt. General cannot be trusted to fairly exercise his command over subordinates who are not Christians or Jews (and the Judeo-Christian bit only exists to pad the numbers, since the entire history of Christianity is bloodsoaked in the murder of Jews).

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2023 • 12:59:24am

re: #203 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I think he would approve of that.

His little “Judeo-Christian” bit also leaves out everyone in his command who isn’t Christian or Jewish.

The Lt. General cannot be trusted to fairly exercise his command over subordinates who are not Christians or Jews (and the Judeo-Christian bit only exists to pad the numbers, since the entire history of Christianity is bloodsoaked in the murder of Jews).

That’s all it really is, a way for evangelicals to swell their shrinking ranks by dragging Jews that have nothing to do with their BS into the fight on their side. The same as how they constantly profess “support” for Israel when the reality is they only want to preserve Israel so that their turgid End-of-the-World fantasies come true.

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2023 • 1:04:54am

If you’re bored and need a bit of “Eat The Rich” entertainment, here’s video of some “rich” white folks who’ve had months to clear up $29,000+ in unpaid rent being tossed out of their $500,000+ Mcmansion to the tune of “YOU GOTTA GIVE ME MORE TIME!!!”

Half Million Dollar House Evicted: Tenant is a Day Late and 29,000 Dollars Short- Part 1

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 1:24:31am

re: #205 Targetpractice

I do note the person talking to the man he’s evicting is doing what he can to deëscalate the situation (more cops should try this).

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2023 • 2:12:31am

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I do note the person talking to the man he’s evicting is doing what he can to deëscalate the situation (more cops should try this).

Ayep, he’s being about as reasonable as he possible can, since he could just as easily call up cops and have the couple slapped with trespassing charges. He does this with pretty much every eviction that he’s assigned to, allowing the occupants time to grab up valuables and pack what they want to take with them while the rest is just hauled off to the curb. He’s even allowed them to try (usually in-vain) to call up somebody who will take whatever they’ve got in their pocket to make the eviction stop. The only scenarios where the cops are involved is when the folks start getting belligerent or think they can just barricade themselves in the house until he goes away.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 2:24:24am

(2:52, Reddit’s r/NotHowGirlsWork)

A series of short funny adverts on how the excuses used for sexual harassment or rape fail flat if you try to use the same excuses in other situations.

Strange how justification for s*xual harrasment don’t work outside of that spectrum

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 2:57:56am

In the tropics this morning:

A tropical wave has formed midway between the Cabo Verde Islands and the Lesser Antilles. This system is given a 70% chance of becoming a tropical cyclone within seven days. The system is expected to move into the Caribbean Sea after moving over the Windward Islands.

North Atlantic Seven Day Graphical Tropical Outlook (National Hurricane Center)

Tropical Storm Don will cross into the Environment Canada area-of-responsibility for tracking hurricanes this morning. Don currently has windspeeds of 95k/h. The storm is expected to intensify a bit more, with Environment Canada predicting it will reach 100k/h today at 21:00 ADT.

The track has been adjusted slightly left, so the storm is predicted to enter the outer coastal waters of Newfoundland before it ejects off to the northeast. Otherwise the prediction is the same: High surf and rip currents will affect the south coast of Newfoundland, especially the Avalon Peninsula.

Don Hurricane Track (Environment Canada)

The next information statement will be issued by 3:00 p.m. NDT Saturday.

Tropical Storm Don is situated well southeast of Newfoundland moving northwest and forecast to track over the southeastern portion of the Grand Banks on Sunday (still as a small-scale tropical storm, intensity ~45 kts / 85 km/h). Strong to gale-force winds and waves of 3 to 4 m are expected but only for a limited portion of Canadian waters. The CHC will update this bulletin Saturday afternoon and likely again on Sunday. If Don intensifies more than expected then some extra updates may be required.

This bulletin remains in effect for the Southwestern Grand Banks district where waves up to 3 m are possible but it is looking more likely that the storm will track east of the zone.

Interests in the Northern Grand Banks district should stay aware in case the storm intensifies and tracks farther north.

Tropical Cyclone Information Statement (Don) (Environment Canada, 02:40 ADT July 21, 2023)

In the Eastern Pacific, Tropical Depression 4-E has formed well-west of the coast of Mexico. The depression is expected to become post-tropical within twelve hours.

In the Central Pacific, Tropical Storm Calvin has moved away from Hawai’i and dissipated. No tropical disturbances are predicted over the next seven days. The BBC reports that the Big Island suffered minor flooding from the storm.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2023 • 2:59:02am

re: #1 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

My take has been, for some time now, that the bombing of Nagasaki was totally not necessary.

… Truman wanted to demonstrate to Stalin that he (Truman) would do what was necessary to win and not let Stalin invade and take parts of Japan.

The cold war started with the bomb going off.

There were two key motivations for using the Atomic Bomb on Japan, the first being to test out its powers and the second to prevent the USSR from gaining any foothold on Japanese territory (beyond the Sakhalin Islands)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 2:59:11am

re: #207 Targetpractice

Ayep, he’s being about as reasonable as he possible can, since he could just as easily call up cops and have the couple slapped with trespassing charges. He does this with pretty much every eviction that he’s assigned to, allowing the occupants time to grab up valuables and pack what they want to take with them while the rest is just hauled off to the curb. He’s even allowed them to try (usually in-vain) to call up somebody who will take whatever they’ve got in their pocket to make the eviction stop. The only scenarios where the cops are involved is when the folks start getting belligerent or think they can just barricade themselves in the house until he goes away.

A process server for eviction seems like a scary job in this country. I can imagine someone deciding to end the eviction with firearms and dead people.

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:00:16am

re: #211 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

A process server for eviction seems like a scary job in this country. I can imagine someone deciding to end the eviction with firearms and dead people.

Oh, I’m sure it happens. And I suppose that is a solution to the problem of impending homelessness.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:02:34am

re: #26 DodgerFan1988

Watters: No one is arguing slaves benefited from slavery. No one is saying that. It is not true. They are teaching how black people develop skills during slavery in some instances that can be applied for their own personal benefit

Skills like knowing how to obey and submit to avoid getting beaten.

Skills like knowing how to sexually please their masters.

Skills like learning how to love Sweet Jesus (without being allowed to learn to read the Bible proper)

Slaves had almost no “personal benefit”, as the fruits of their labor were systematically stolen from them, as were their families and their bodies.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:06:35am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There were two key motivations for using the Atomic Bomb on Japan, the first being to test out its powers and the second to prevent the USSR from gaining any foothold on Japanese territory (beyond the Sakhalin Islands)

The two cities were also chosen because they had never been bombed. The idea was they could assess the damage of atom weapons by bombing untouched cities.

The firebombing of Tokyo was the greatest loss of life in any air raid, exceeding either atomic bombing.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:14:35am

I’m going to inspect my bed. I’ll catch y’all later.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:15:05am

re: #214 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The two cities were also chosen because they had never been bombed. The idea was they could assess the damage of atom weapons by bombing untouched cities.

We spent all that money on it, we wanted to see it tested under actual conditions.

Germany really dodged a whopping big flaming bullet by surrendering in May.

I never researched which German cities the Allies might have targeted. Not many of them were left undamaged by the end of the war.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:15:30am

re: #215 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m going to inspect my bed. I’ll catch y’all later.

you always say that and then stay on for another hour…

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William Lewis  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:18:39am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There were two key motivations for using the Atomic Bomb on Japan, the first being to test out its powers and the second to prevent the USSR from gaining any foothold on Japanese territory (beyond the Sakhalin Islands)

There was a serious desire to prevent the need for Operation Downfall. Considering the that even after Nagasaki, there was the Kyūjō incident of the night of August 14-15 where there was an attempted military coup d’état to prevent the Japanese surrender even then. The casualties of the Olympic and Coronet invasions would have been unimaginable, making the fire bombings and nuclear attacks look minor in comparison.

There was no single rational for the use of both bombs but in the end, both were needed to force the conclusion of the war.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:22:55am

re: #216 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Honestly, I think if the atomic bomb was ready to go in, let’s say, late February or early March, Berlin would’ve almost certainly been the target.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:26:45am

Mastodon

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:34:14am

re: #219 Dr Lizardo

Honestly, I think if the atomic bomb was ready to go in, let’s say, late February or early March, Berlin would’ve almost certainly been the target.

They would have wanted a fairly intact city to assess the damage.

What was left of any size? WIesbaden was left undestroyed as the US were planning to use it as their administrative seat for the occupation (as they had done after WW1)

University town like Tübeingen, Göttingen or Heidelberg were not damaged. Anything else of any significance had been flattened.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:36:01am

and yes, a physical invasion of Japan would have started to look like Vietnam on steroids, with no distinction any more between civilians and combattants. Everyone in Japan from pensioners to choolchildren were being trained and armed (with bamboo sticks if necessary) to defend the Homeland.

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:40:49am

re: #218 William Lewis

There was a serious desire to prevent the need for Operation Downfall. Considering the that even after Nagasaki, there was the Kyūjō incident of the night of August 14-15 where there was an attempted military coup d’état to prevent the Japanese surrender even then. The casualties of the Olympic and Coronet invasions would have been unimaginable, making the fire bombings and nuclear attacks look minor in comparison.

There was no single rational for the use of both bombs but in the end, both were needed to force the conclusion of the war.

You had soldiers who were prepared to storm the imperial palace, take the Emperor and his family under military arrest, and violate their sacred oaths to obey him in order to avoid the shame of an unconditional surrender mere days after the atomic bombing of Nagasaki. Hundreds of hours of interrogations that followed the war showed again and again that the Japanese military expected an invasion of the home islands before year’s end and predicted millions of civilians would fight to the bloody end to avoid the shame of surrender. Memoirs of soldier and civilian alike tell of the national shock and horror upon hearing Hirohito’s speech announcing the acceptance of America’s terms for Japan’s unconditional surrender that including no guarantee that the imperial family would be spared the indignity of possible trial and imprisonment.

In light of all that, the argument that one or both bombings were motivated by a desire to keep the Soviets out and that we could have gotten the Japanese government to “come around” is just…well, it’s not dealing with the reality of the situation.

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William Lewis  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:46:06am

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and yes, a physical invasion of Japan would have started to look like Vietnam on steroids, with no distinction any more between civilians and combattants. Everyone in Japan from pensioners to choolchildren were being trained and armed (with bamboo sticks if necessary) to defend the Homeland.

Casualty estimates were insane. From the wiki on Operation Downfall:

On 15 January 1945, the U.S. Army Service Forces released a document, “Redeployment of the United States Army after the Defeat of Germany.” In it, they estimate that during the 18 month period after June 1945 (that is, through December 1946), the Army would be required to furnish replacements for 43,000 dead and evacuated wounded every month.[84] From analysis of the replacement schedule and projected strengths in overseas theaters, it suggested that Army losses alone in those categories, excluding the Navy and Marine Corps, would be approximately 863,000 through the first part of 1947, of whom 267,000 would be killed or missing.[85] This likewise excludes wounded who would be treated in-theater during an initial window of 30 days, later to be expanded to 120 days.

There is a reason we’re still using purple hearts made for that invasion …

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jul 22, 2023 • 3:53:29am

re: #180 sizzzzlerz

Let’s say he was corrupt for the standards of his day.

Compared to tfg, Nixon was a piker.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:00:58am

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Top story there at the moment:
…

Customer: “She should have thought of that before she came for my cheesecake.”

I’m sure everybody knows
Eating cheesecake isn’t gluttony.
Eating too much cheesecake or too often might be.

Some people just want to rail on other people. Makes em feel superior somehow

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:10:40am

re: #226 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

I’m sure everybody knows
Eating cheesecake isn’t gluttony.

King Missile - The Cheesecake Truck

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:13:16am

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Skills like knowing how to obey and submit to avoid getting beaten.

Skills like knowing how to sexually please their masters.

Skills like learning how to love Sweet Jesus (without being allowed to learn to read the Bible proper)

Slaves had almost no “personal benefit”, as the fruits of their labor were systematically stolen from them, as were their families and their bodies.

They got free room and board.
They should be happy with that and not complain.//

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:18:20am

re: #205 Targetpractice

If you’re bored and need a bit of “Eat The Rich” entertainment, here’s video of some “rich” white folks who’ve had months to clear up $29,000+ in unpaid rent being tossed out of their $500,000+ Mcmansion to the tune of “YOU GOTTA GIVE ME MORE TIME!!!”

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People actually RENT houses like that?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:21:50am

re: #228 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

They got free room and board.
They should be happy with that and not complain.//

Again, not every single aspect of slavery was completely awful, but as an institution it was an abomination as it constiituted the serial rape, separation of families and theft of labor of from entire race and class of people.

Those far outweigh any “skills” or “benefits” those people received from their status as property.

THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO TEACH

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:23:34am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you always say that and then stay on for another hour…

So?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:24:57am

re: #231 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

So?

not complaining just pointing it out

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:25:42am

I, however am off for the rest of the afternoon, tours and then oldest daughter and her new beau are coming for dinner

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TarHellion  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:26:50am

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:27:45am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I, however am off for the rest of the afternoon, tours and then oldest daughter and her new beau are coming for dinner

I rarely say goodbye. I just fall asleep phone in hand. 😂

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:29:03am

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, not every single aspect of slavery was completely awful, but as an institution it was an abomination as it constiituted the serial rape, separation of families and theft of labor of from entire race and class of people.

Those far outweigh any “skills” or “benefits” those people received from their status as property.

THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO TEACH

Let em explain:
not being paid for your labor
being forced into that labor
Family members sold/abused/killed/separated
Lynching
Discrimination to this day (Alabama)
All of this exploitation against their will
Enforced by government, law and police

how all of this was in any way good for slaves

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:30:04am

re: #237 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Family members sold

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ericblair  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:35:59am

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Slaves had almost no “personal benefit”, as the fruits of their labor were systematically stolen from them, as were their families and their bodies.

If you’re a gooper, taxes are slavery. Criticism is slavery. Having a Democratic government is slavery. Except slavery; that’s actually fine.

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Nojay UK  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:46:58am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There were two key motivations for using the Atomic Bomb on Japan, the first being to test out its powers and the second to prevent the USSR from gaining any foothold on Japanese territory (beyond the Sakhalin Islands)

The Trinity test of the plutonium implosion device was done because that was sufficiently complicated and the nuclear physics were more indeterminate than the uranium assembly bomb. No more tests were needed, a powerful weapon was ready for use and they were used, that’s all. Why wait? There were no deeper philosophical reasons.

It’s become a thing post-WW II that nukes are somehow different to all other weapons of war like iron-cased bombs and machine-guns, the sorts of weapons that have killed hundreds of millions of people since August 1945. As for the number of people killed by nukes since then, zero. It might be that we’ve been over-concerned about the wrong thing, perhaps?

As for the Russians invading Japan, the typical civilian American reaction at the time would have been “What took you so long?” Americans of the time HATED the Japanese, they had been fed news of Japanese atrocities and inhuman brutality for years. Allied POWs were being freed with pictures of Our Boys as starved scarecrow figures on the front pages of newspapers.

The Russians didn’t have any sealift capability to support a major boots-on-the-ground invasion of Japan and no heavy bomber force to add to the US B-29 “aluminium overcast” firebombing raids. Taking (or retaking depending on whose history you believe) the Kurile and Sakhalin island chains was about their limit, militarily speaking. Almost all of their manufacturing and supply was several thousand kilometres away in central Russia with only the Trans-Siberian railroad to carry the fuel, ammo, materiel, manpower etc. to the coastal ports like Vladivostok. The Battle of Manchuria was a masterpiece of logistics, taking three months to move a million troops and supplies before the battle started on August 9th and they burned through that stockpile in a bit over two weeks of fighting. It’s why Korea is partitioned to this day, like Patton they ran out of gas half-way down the peninsula.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:47:50am

re: #239 ericblair

If you’re a gooper, taxes are slavery. Criticism is slavery. Having a Democratic government is slavery. Except slavery; that’s actually fine.

Desantis is a pig
Anyone who supports this thinking is a pig.
I’m done with this nonsense

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2023 • 4:49:03am

Folks, we have it, the tan suit scandal has arrived!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2023 • 5:13:22am

@sethcotlar.bsky.social

How is it possible that I’ve not seen RFK Jr referred to as “Scamalot?”

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Nerdy Fish  Jul 22, 2023 • 5:16:21am

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2023 • 5:24:27am

re: #242 Targetpractice

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Nerdy Fish  Jul 22, 2023 • 5:26:35am

re: #245 Belafon

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The way they’re banging on about this, you’d think it was an impeachable offense. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if Margarine Tater-Greens was dumb enough to try to introduce articles of impeachment for the high crime of “violating fashion sense.”

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2023 • 5:29:31am

re: #241 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

That does make me think that someone should make a t-shirt for “Strange Fruit” with Nina Simone, like a concert tour, but list all of the lynching sites and dates.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2023 • 5:35:02am

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I had a grandmother who was one of those holier-than-thou types. A nice grandmother mostly, but you were going to hell and she could tell you why.

And then one day, she came to our house to tell us about this man who was her oldest son. Come to find out, she was a wild child in her youth, in the early to mid 1940s, and had gotten pregnant. So she got disappeared to an uncle’s farm until she had the kid, who ended up being adopted into some branch of the family far from ours.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2023 • 5:38:39am

So, just got done talking to a young man from Guangzho, China - and his knowledge of Star Wars was, in the words of Darth Vader, “Impressive. Most impressive.”

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Dave In Austin  Jul 22, 2023 • 5:40:45am

🤡🤡🤡

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2023 • 5:41:52am

Barbie and Oppenheimer made $32.8Million on Thursday alone. It’s even Barbenheimer on GMA.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2023 • 5:50:17am

I’ve been thinking this myself the past few days, with the Wagner Group now in Belarus, Putin saying yesterday that Poland intends to attack Belarus and his moving of Russian tactical nuclear weapons into Belarus…keep a sharp eye on the Suwałki Gap.

Putin might try to cook up some kind of incident and use that as a pretext. It also jibes with his philosophy of “escalate to deescalate”. And what would escalate more than trying to take the Suwałki Gap.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2023 • 5:52:51am
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ericblair  Jul 22, 2023 • 6:02:54am

re: #247 Belafon

That does make me think that someone should make a t-shirt for “Strange Fruit” with Nina Simone, like a concert tour, but list all of the lynching sites and dates.

Well, except people might think that the wearer is in favor of it. Especially these days.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2023 • 6:04:06am

re: #254 ericblair

Well, except people might think that the wearer is in favor of it. Especially these days.

I’m sure someone could make it work.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2023 • 6:10:35am
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Nerdy Fish  Jul 22, 2023 • 6:15:05am

re: #256 Belafon

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mmmirele  Jul 22, 2023 • 6:18:30am

re: #105 steve_davis

the U.S. had something like 100,000 coffins prepared for troops based on an island invasion. The Japanese would have fought us for every square inch, even more fanatically than they fought for islands that no one could conceivably care about, short of their ability to have airfields plowed on to.

Agreed. Japan hadn’t been invaded for several hundred years at that point. (For sure not since the beginning of the Edo period in 1603.) The psychic impact of having US troops attempt to land on the Home Islands, combined with the intense emperor propaganda would have led to a bloodbath. Okinawa was a recently acquired possession and not considered part of the Home Islands, yet 110,000 Japanese died during the remainder of the war (late March to September 7, 1945) defending Okinawa.

I have EXTREMELY mixed emotions about using the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I’ve been to both places. Absent the memorials, you’d never know they’d been bombed. I especially can’t get over the irony of bombing the one place in Japan that had a significant Christian population. I also can’t get over that the Japanese don’t hate Americans for what we did.

I think that had the bombs not been dropped, there would have been an invasion of the Home Islands, there would have been fierce resistance and the temptation to use the bombs then would have been overwhelming in the face of the huge number of casualties. It would have been much worse and likely American soldiers would have been killed in a nuclear bombing. But, again, in hindsight and knowing what we know about the effects of nuclear weapons, I don’t know that I would have agreed to or advocated for their use. Truman, etc., were working with the luxury of not knowing. We don’t have that excuse.

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BigPapa  Jul 22, 2023 • 6:40:31am

I will have a Bluski invite code in about a week. While I won’t charge for the code I am open to some honest-to-goodness graft and corruption. I will accept small unmarked non-sequential bills that don’t smell of decomp or cocaine too strongly.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 22, 2023 • 6:46:57am
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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Jul 22, 2023 • 6:49:54am

It’s a birbie!

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jeffreyw  Jul 22, 2023 • 6:52:21am

Again!

Good morning!

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No Malarkey!  Jul 22, 2023 • 6:56:42am

I will be proud to vote for President Biden again, against any opponent, but especially against the degenerate, treasonous fascist the Republicans are going to nominate.

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2023 • 7:00:34am

Mastodon

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Joining the crowd

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2023 • 7:04:56am

re: #259 BigPapa

I will have a Bluski invite code in about a week. While I won’t charge for the code I am open to some honest-to-goodness graft and corruption. I will accept small unmarked non-sequential bills that don’t smell of decomp or cocaine too strongly.

Wassamattau? Cocaine is the bonus!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jul 22, 2023 • 7:05:05am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There were two key motivations for using the Atomic Bomb on Japan, the first being to test out its powers and the second to prevent the USSR from gaining any foothold on Japanese territory (beyond the Sakhalin Islands)

Avoiding the casualties that an invasion would have caused another factor as well. And I suspect that growing war weariness was an additional reason since a starvation strategy* would have dragged things out another year, still required a large military deployment and logistical efforts, and incidentally played right into the Soviets grabbing more territory.

* - And this strategy would have killed a lot of Japanese civilians before all was said and done since the military was going to be the last group to start starving.

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2023 • 7:05:49am

Mastodon

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jul 22, 2023 • 7:06:18am

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Skills like knowing how to obey and submit to avoid getting beaten.

Skills like knowing how to sexually please their masters.

Skills like learning how to love Sweet Jesus (without being allowed to learn to read the Bible proper)

Slaves had almost no “personal benefit”, as the fruits of their labor were systematically stolen from them, as were their families and their bodies.

And if one was trained in a skill such as blacksmithing they were contracted out to someone else and the slave was not the person getting paid for that contract work.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Jul 22, 2023 • 7:09:45am

re: #218 William Lewis

There was a serious desire to prevent the need for Operation Downfall. Considering the that even after Nagasaki, there was the Kyūjō incident of the night of August 14-15 where there was an attempted military coup d’état to prevent the Japanese surrender even then. The casualties of the Olympic and Coronet invasions would have been unimaginable, making the fire bombings and nuclear attacks look minor in comparison.

There was no single rational for the use of both bombs but in the end, both were needed to force the conclusion of the war.

And one thing y’all are overlooking is that the people at Trinity were the the only people who really knew what they had created. In Washington they thought it was just a bigger bomb, and they’d already bombed half of Japan. (Once Truman saw reports of actual casualties, etc., he ordered an end to further use of them.)

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2023 • 7:18:33am

Mastodon

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Only eight Jews are officially recorded as dying on the island, but the new inquiry will examine claims from researchers that as many as 1,000 could be buried in mass graves. Some campaigners believe thousands could have perished on the island.

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Dr Caroline Sturdy Colls, professor of conflict archaeology at Staffordshire University, has used imaging technology to identify the sites of two mass graves on the island. She is cautious about the numbers of victims but told free-expression magazine Index on Censorship: “It is evident from the wide range of testimonies available and from the surveys we did of the camps in which Jews were housed that they were treated appallingly, and more Jews likely died than we know of.”

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The inquiry is likely to vindicate the journalist who first sought to reveal these atrocities in the Observer four decades ago. Solomon Steckoll’s groundbreaking research was serialised in 1982 and made the sensational claim that Carl Hoffman, the commandant of Alderney, was not handed over to the Soviet authorities and executed in Kyiv as the UK government claimed. He had, in fact, been in British custody until 1948, when he was allowed to return to Germany. He died peacefully in his bed in West Germany in 1974. At first, the British government dismissed Steckoll’s claims but, in 1983, were forced to admit he was right.

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sagehen  Jul 22, 2023 • 7:18:56am

re: #247 Belafon

That does make me think that someone should make a t-shirt for “Strange Fruit” with Nina Simone, like a concert tour, but list all of the lynching sites and dates.

You couldn’t fit them all on a t-shirt. There’s a whole museum about it.

npr.org

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2023 • 7:29:35am

‘Oppenheimer’ stirs up conflicted history for Los Alamos and New Mexico downwinders

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On the sidelines will be a community downwind from the testing site in the southern New Mexico desert, the impacts of which the U.S. government never has fully acknowledged. The movie on the life of scientist J. Robert Oppenheimer and the top-secret work of the Manhattan Project sheds no light on those residents’ pain.

“They’ll never reflect on the fact that New Mexicans gave their lives. They did the dirtiest of jobs. They invaded our lives and our lands and then they left,” Tina Cordova, a cancer survivor and founder of a group of New Mexico downwinders, said of the scientists and military officials who established a secret city in Los Alamos during the 1940s and tested their work at the Trinity Site some 200 miles (322 kilometers) away.

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Downwinders.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 22, 2023 • 7:33:12am

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 22, 2023 • 7:42:42am

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Wordle 763 5/6*

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sizzzzlerz  Jul 22, 2023 • 7:52:35am

re: #276 Backwoods Sleuth

Country singer: Driving a tractor through my small town, wearing jeans and drinking beer.

That ain’t no authentic country, you city dude. To be true country, you got to drop them ‘g’s.

Country singer: Drivin’ a tractor through my small town, wearin’ jeans and drinkin’ beer.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2023 • 7:56:04am

LOL - this is great. Be sure to read the specifications. This company is mocking high-end horology.

scameti.store

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:01:38am

re: #263 No Malarkey!

I will be proud to vote for President Biden again, against any opponent, but especially against the degenerate, treasonous fascist the Republicans are going to nominate.

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That bumbling, senile Sleepy Joe is at it again!!!

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sizzzzlerz  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:01:38am

Hate, hate, hate these words when each guess fails to reduce possibilities because the letters aren’t used elsewhere.

VEFDMVBPb3FFTE0wMmxldlpPRVZQbkJFOG9Fem5FL2ZvdjQ1amc5Ri8vWi9Jd2JmbHlibHpJOUpOVjdsWHFtZ2NmMmZOaTQ3b0N5WUVVbkZJeExHbDIvVjM3RUpmUDRCVDk5VjVPTVZMWkFiSGFvMFRMUDNpbEJrby9aUVBmNjVGamF2MlNkb3ZQcWdvb0NubkpiTTNMMGFFcDRmdXk1ZEVkbEZoM21TVXpGT3hTY2JzNDBOSHFBK1JLTENVcXU2c2prYmt3c25uV3hUMkpQRGcxQmJsUT09OjpG74BwqayaaRzmTRbwzA2y

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:03:51am

re: #278 sizzzzlerz

That ain’t no authentic country, you city dude. To be true country, you got to drop them ‘g’s.

Country singer: Drivin’ a tractor through my small town, wearin’ jeans and drinkin’ beer.

This southerner can confirm.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:07:22am

re: #234 TarHellion

To quote the great Walter Sobchak, “Smokey, my friend, you’re entering a world of pain.”

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birbie here

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Wordle 763 3/6

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Group report: 2,3,4,5
The person who solved in 2 had seen our conversation in our text thread BUT given her strategy, I am sure she would have gotten it in 2 anyway.

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gocart mozart  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:14:33am
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:16:32am

re: #58 Backwoods Sleuth

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Well at least storage facilities are easier to rebuild than a production line.

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A Cranky One  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:16:45am

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:17:39am

Mastodon

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:18:20am

re: #284 gocart mozart

Suckers.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:18:27am

re: #61 jeffreyw

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I take and post a lot of these over at Counter Social.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:20:09am

re: #287 wrenchwench

In a true utopian capitalist society that Rand wishes for, the competition for the bid for who would get to put the fire out would still be going on and the office would be ashes.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:20:46am

theonion.com

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:22:24am

re: #284 gocart mozart

There’s a sucker for right wing Jesus.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:23:17am

re: #250 Dave In Austin

🤡🤡🤡

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All parody, all the time! Funny!

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:24:15am

re: #292 Joe Bacon ✅

There’s a sucker for right wing Jesus.

They will thread any needle to justify their support of that orange anus.

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A Cranky One  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:25:26am

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jeffreyw  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:25:46am

re: #289 Eventual Carrion

I take and post a lot of these over at Counter Social.

I don’t go there anymore. I don’t remember why I stopped. Spread too thin with all the other sites, maybe.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:54:35am

It replies, “Knowing that no matter what I say or do brainwashed morons like you will still kiss my ass no matter what is so reassuring to me!”

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 22, 2023 • 8:57:04am

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jeffreyw  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:01:42am

Mastodon

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:09:21am

re: #297 Joe Bacon ✅

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It replies, “Knowing that no matter what I say or do brainwashed morons like you will still kiss my ass no matter what is so reassuring to me!”

“What the fuck does it matter, you moron sucker? You’d vote for me if I was Satan.”

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:10:28am

re: #299 jeffreyw

pretty kitty.

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BigPapa  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:17:08am

re: #297 Joe Bacon ✅

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It replies, “Knowing that no matter what I say or do brainwashed morons like you will still kiss my ass no matter what is so reassuring to me!”

‘Great question. Here’s some mumblefuckery instead of an answer.’

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:17:56am

re: #299 jeffreyw

Have you tried pushing it off the counter?

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:18:50am

Mastodon

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Captain Ron  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:22:45am
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BigPapa  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:28:16am

I’ve been a big fanboi of Polly Jean since Dry. She continues to do Big Queen Shit.

TV Live: P.J. Harvey - “The Letter” (Letterman 2004)

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:28:52am

“What would a woman know about soldiers needing abortions?” - Tommy

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BigPapa  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:32:28am

re: #307 Belafon

LOL. Badass. Fuck Tommie Gooberville. Asshole.

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Nerdy Fish  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:33:05am

re: #307 Belafon

It’s heartening to see that the DoD has no intention of kowtowing to these idiots. I know his holding up of promotions using Senate technicalities is irksome, but participating in their culture war isn’t worth it.

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BigPapa  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:39:14am

I just found out PJ and Nick Cave dated for a while. Suddenly the world makes a lot more sense.

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:40:40am

Mastodon
Caption

Graffiti opposing mines on the reservation is seen in an abandoned building on Sept. 12, 2022 on the Navajo Nation west of Tuba City, Arizona.

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dat_said  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:43:17am

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

KSL-TV, Salt Lake City, July 21, 2023

In the annals of fiscal conservatism, the Utah Attorney General has joined a lawsuit filed by the US Chamber of Commerce against the Securities and Exchange Commission.

The lawsuit alleges free speech violations against the Chamber from a rule adopted by the SEC in May requiring corporations which float stock buybacks to give the rationale for the buyback.

Utah’s late to the game, since twenty-five other Republican-run states are already wasting their taxpayers’ money to protect billionaires.

How is this any more of a free speech violation than requiring public companies disclose their profit and loss statements?

I’m certain, with the right combination of MBAs and corporate lawyers, they can come with boilerplate business rationales that essentially say “We’re all out of ideas.” “It’s simpler than actually trying to grow sales.” “Buybacks are a much cheaper way to increase stock value than investing in our employees.” “Why not, commie?”

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BigPapa  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:43:54am

I just learned about Downwinders this morning. Hoping the movie helps educate people about them and their sacrifices.

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Captain Ron  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:43:55am
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mmmirele  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:47:57am
A murdered writer, his secret diary of the invasion of Ukraine - and the war crimes investigator determined to find it

When he realised the Russians were coming for him, Ukrainian writer Volodymyr Vakulenko buried his journal. Then he was taken away never to return. Now, his chronicle has been unearthed …

theguardian.com

I read partway through this, then got up to do some chores because it was overwhelming. I started thinking about war, and civil war, and how people betray each other. Then I went back to finish it and it has a terrible epilogue.

This war sucks. War sucks!

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jeffreyw  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:50:49am

oops

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:51:13am

re: #279 Dr Lizardo

LOL - this is great. Be sure to read the specifications. This company is mocking high-end horology.

scameti.store

“Anti scratch resistant”

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ckkatz  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:54:02am

Well Nate Silver seems to have finally gone over the edge and into COVID conspiracy theory -


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Rest of Michael Hobbes thread (3 tweets behind private label to keep post length down -

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mmmirele  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:56:27am

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I wonder what political party this guy belongs to? Another day, another church leader.

Utah County restaurant owner accused of sexually abusing teen worker (KSL-TV, Salt Lake City, July 20, 2023)

He is, of course, a church bishop, specifically a former First Counsellor (an advisor to a presidency, or leader of a Mormon church district).

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Utah County restaurant owner accused of sexually abusing teen worker (July 20, 2023)

Correction: he is an advisor to a bishop, who is the appointed leader of a congregation of maybe 500 people, of which maybe half show up for church. In the scale of things, he’s pretty low on the totem pole. But he did serve a mission and he was married in a temple in 2002. What you were thinking of is a stake president’s counselors, they’re over several congregations.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:56:33am

re: #318 ckkatz

Well Nate Silver seems to have finally gone over the edge and into COVID conspiracy theory -

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Looks like Nate fell into the RFK Jr. Portal To Hell.

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Nerdy Fish  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:57:20am

re: #318 ckkatz

Well Nate Silver seems to have finally gone over the edge and into COVID conspiracy theory -

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And thus, what little respect I still had for him is now completely gone.

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mmmirele  Jul 22, 2023 • 9:59:13am

re: #321 Nerdy Fish

And thus, what little respect I still had for him is now completely gone.

Yeah, I responded, let him know he’d completely lost his marbles, and then muted him. Eventually I’ll come back around and block him. Antivaxxers make me want to scream.

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Nerdy Fish  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:01:32am

re: #322 mmmirele

Yeah, I responded, let him know he’d completely lost his marbles, and then muted him. Eventually I’ll come back around and block him. Antivaxxers make me want to scream.

He’s been running outside his lane for so long, it seems he’s fallen prey to the Dunning-Kruger “I’m really good at what I do, therefore I must be really good at all these other things as well” fallacy.

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Jay C  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:11:32am

re: #287 wrenchwench

Damn socialism

Well, it could have been worse: it could have been in Tennessee, where, IIRC: fire-department coverage in a lot of places is on a pay basis outside of those socialist towns where the commies confiscate the citizens’ assets use taxes to pay the firefighters.

I recall the Internet flap some years ago over a case from TN where the local FD came out to put out a blaze at a rural location, but when neighbors found their house on fire, the chief couldn’t do anything for them, as (unlike the first folks) they hadn’t paid the requisite fees, and the rules precluded “instant” payments, so their house burned down.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:16:58am

re: #324 Jay C

Well, it could have been worse: it could have been in Tennessee, where, IIRC: fire-department coverage in a lot of places is on a pay basis outside of those socialist towns where the commies confiscate the citizens’ assets use taxes to pay the firefighters.

I recall the Internet flap some years ago over a case from TN where the local FD came out to put out a blaze at a rural location, but when neighbors found their house on fire, the chief couldn’t do anything for them, as (unlike the first folks) they hadn’t paid the requisite fees, and the rules precluded “instant” payments, so their house burned down.

Or Newburn, AL where the “volunteers” just don’t go to the black side of town.
(Where they’re denying the black mayor his mayoralty)

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ckkatz  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:18:28am

This has been discussed on lgf. But here is the young lady in question, a real person whose life is being destroyed, not, as the fanatics like to push, some sort of a disembodied theoretical abstraction.

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:23:22am

re: #189 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

There are only 24 theaters in the U.S. and Canada showing Oppenheimer in 70mm IMAX *film*. All the rest of the screenings, including the ones you list, are being screened digitally.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:34:35am

re: #166 Captain Ron

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Why not. It’s been working well for “best seller” books also.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:35:02am

re: #167 retired cynic

Just like PACs buying up enough of a favorite’s book so that it hits the best seller list, and then they hand them out for donations like candy.

I should have read just one post ahead. :-)

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A Cranky One  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:36:47am

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:37:30am

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, not every single aspect of slavery was completely awful

*RECORD SCRATCH*

WHAT. THE. FUCK. Why did you type this? Why did you then post it?!?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:41:05am

re: #326 ckkatz

This has been discussed on lgf. But here is the young lady in question, a real person whose life is being destroyed, not, as the fanatics like to push, some sort of a disembodied theoretical abstraction.

I’m going to have to go to the VA. My wife woke me up because apparently I stopped breathing and she caught it after about a minute (the scourge of epilepsy: SUDEP).

As for the woman, she was convicted of unlawful disposal of human remains, not the abortion. The investigation was opened before Roe v Wade was overturned.

The BBC notes on this we have a twelve-week abortion ban, but fails to mention that ban is enjoined by the court at the moment.

Nebraska teen jailed for illegal disposal of her aborted foetus

A US teenager was sentenced to 90 days in prison after taking abortion pills to end her pregnancy and disposing of the foetus with her mother’s help.

Celeste Burgess, now 19, pleaded guilty to illegally concealing human remains after she had an abortion when around 28 weeks pregnant, beyond the 20-week limit then set by Nebraska law.

The abortion would have been illegal even before Roe was overturned in every state in the country.

Her mother, Jessica Burgess, 42, faces up to five years in prison for helping her.

Nebraska now bans abortion at 12 weeks.

Had she been convicted of the illegal abortion, that would have been a felony and a much longer sentence in the state penitentiary.

When initially confronted by police, the teen allegedly told authorities that she had delivered a stillborn foetus. But, according to court documents, she and her mother had discussed in Facebook messages how to obtain the abortion pills and “burn the evidence”.

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Lying to the cops and conspiring to cover up evidence aren’t really great ideas either.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:42:02am

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:45:45am

re: #318 ckkatz

Well Nate Silver seems to have finally gone over the edge and into COVID conspiracy theory -

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A scene in Oppenheimer, that was part of the trailer, was of him telling the General that he’s almost completely sure the bomb won’t destroy everything. Scientists don’t do absolutes. If you don’t understand their language, Nate, stop trying to interpret them.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:49:30am

re: #326 ckkatz

This has been discussed on lgf. But here is the young lady in question, a real person whose life is being destroyed, not, as the fanatics like to push, some sort of a disembodied theoretical abstraction.

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She was roughly 30 weeks pregnant when she did this. This whole sequence is a consequence of the state making it hard to get the care she needed early.

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Jay C  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:49:57am

eldroW:

Click to Reveal

Took five today:

Wordle 763 5/6

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🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

Though given that there were several words that fit after guess #2, I was lucky that I got the right one in only five. Despite Worldlebot’s assurance, to me, this was “mainly luck” after the third guess. Oh well, at least it wasn’t an *IGHT word….

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:51:20am

Phoebe Sanders dropped a new banjo vid:

Hell’s broke loose in Georgia - Clawhammer banjo tune

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Captain Ron  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:52:30am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 10:59:13am

re: #318 ckkatz

Well Nate Silver seems to have finally gone over the edge and into COVID conspiracy theory -

Rest of Michael Hobbes thread (3 tweets behind private label to keep post length down -

It appears to have started here (Nitter)

Nate Silver
@NateSilver538
Jul 21
This is a huge scandal. Scientists like @K_G_Andersen believed a lab leak was extremely plausible, if not likely, they concocted a plan to deceive the public about it, and they’ve been caught red-handed. There’s not really any ambiguity here. They are unethical as it gets.

Nate Silver
@NateSilver538
21h
All right, maybe bad timing to post this late on a Friday afternoon, but wanted to go a little longer on this and make a full-fledged version of the argument.

natesilver.substack.com

KG Andersen is one of several authors of a paper published in 2020 talking about several possible origins for SARS-CoVid2 at the time (so Mr. Silver is ignoring more than two years of study since then, the hallmark of medicine conspiracies).

The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2 (Nature, March 17, 2020)

The paper says the exact opposite of what Mr. Silver is claiming. Antivaxxers don’t actually read papers; they just take a headline or a title (or simply lie) to assert their position. The paper starts with technical information about the virus. It then segues into this:

It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus. As noted above, the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 is optimized for binding to human ACE2 with an efficient solution different from those previously predicted7,11. Furthermore, if genetic manipulation had been performed, one of the several reverse-genetic systems available for betacoronaviruses would probably have been used19. However, the genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone20. Instead, we propose two scenarios that can plausibly explain the origin of SARS-CoV-2: (i) natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer; and (ii) natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer. We also discuss whether selection during passage could have given rise to SARS-CoV-2.

(more)

Either Mr. Silver didn’t read the paper, or he straight-up lied. Neither is Dunning-Kruger effect.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:00:34am

re: #318 ckkatz

Well Nate Silver seems to have finally gone over the edge and into COVID conspiracy theory -

Nate was the darling data dude for a while but now he’s just - as the kids say - thirsty.

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:01:17am

“not all aspects of slavery were awful…”

GODDAMMIT! This is making me irrationally angry. SLAVERY! SLAVERY Read it again in bold SLAVERY

Fuckin’ check yourself ralphieboy. Jesus Christ.

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:03:30am

Anybody who says that kind of thing… I mean, what a scumbag thing to say.

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:04:38am

And Lizards updinged that shit.

Check yourselves.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:06:32am

scrolling through the universeodon.com
Cats of Mastodon

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:06:41am

re: #339 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

In his Substack article, he makes the claim that some Slack messages between the writers “prove” they were part of a worldwide coverup.

He’s definitely in tinfoil hat territory.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:16:42am

re: #227 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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King Missile - Detachable Penis

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Unabogie  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:19:23am

re: #322 mmmirele

Yeah, I responded, let him know he’d completely lost his marbles, and then muted him. Eventually I’ll come back around and block him. Antivaxxers make me want to scream.

But he’s really good at modeling election polls, which means he’s an expert at virology. That’s just science, dude!

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:19:30am

re: #234 TarHellion

To quote the great Walter Sobchak, “Smokey, my friend, you’re entering a world of pain.”

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Took me to 5/6

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Wordle 763 5/6

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🟨🟨⬜⬜🟩
⬜🟩🟩⬜🟩
⬜🟩🟩⬜🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:20:33am

re: #236 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Meh. 5/6

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Looks like we were searching for the same letters.

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Unabogie  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:21:31am

re: #326 ckkatz

This has been discussed on lgf. But here is the young lady in question, a real person whose life is being destroyed, not, as the fanatics like to push, some sort of a disembodied theoretical abstraction.

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These religious fanatics would be the first to grab one of the 600 AR-15s if the gubmint came and told them their bodies were required to keep another human alive if that was against their will.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:31:55am

re: #281 sizzzzlerz

Hate, hate, hate these words when each guess fails to reduce possibilities because the letters aren’t used elsewhere.

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Seeing a lot of that with todays solution.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:40:51am

Google searches suck anymore. I can’t get any good info

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2023 • 11:42:43am

re: #352 Eventual Carrion

Google searches suck anymore. I can’t get any good info

My current usual is duckduckgo. Not as good as google used to be, not as bad as google is now.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  Jul 22, 2023 • 12:02:51pm

re: #321 Nerdy Fish

And thus, what little respect I still had for him is now completely gone.

I gave up a long time ago. He should have stuck to what he understood. But we don’t need experts anymore. YouTube is good enough.


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