It’s a Cult: Trump’s Base Remains Unfazed by Legal Troubles, Polling Shows

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Of course, we’re still more than a year out from the election, so polls this early are of limited accuracy. But a recent New York Times and Siena College poll reveals that Trump maintains a commanding lead among likely Republican primary voters, securing 54% support compared to DeSantis’s 17%.

Despite new charges in the classified documents case, Trump’s dominance in the party remains unshaken, with 62% supporting him over all other candidates. The Morning Joe panel discuss. 

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gocart mozart  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:33:50pm
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KGxvi  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:35:09pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

I’m all for cities and counties building public swimming pools. Not sure we need a federal program for them, though.

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Unabogie  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:35:53pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

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What is broken with these people? It’s exponentially cheaper to create public pools than it is to ensure people aren’t dying from the heat by installing air conditioners, thanks to tools like Eric who have been lying about climate change for decades.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:40:28pm

Charlie Sykes is still working to obscure the connection between the Trump cult and the longterm conservative power grab that he’s been pushing for decades.

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:40:37pm
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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:41:44pm

re: #3 Unabogie

What is broken with these people? It’s exponentially cheaper to create public pools than it is to ensure people aren’t dying from the heat by installing air conditioners, thanks to tools like Eric who have been lying about climate change for decades.

If they’re to keep people cool, they’re going to need to cool them with heat pumps in the South.
Pools become useless when it’s 100F+ out and the water reaches the point where you can’t dissipate body heat.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:42:46pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

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Absolutely the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. Haven’t we learned why private “academies” proliferated and private swim clubs grew while public pools were filled in after Jim Crow was ended?

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Unabogie  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:43:16pm

Damn, this is sad.

nbcnews.com

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:43:17pm


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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:43:28pm

re: #4 jaunte

Charlie Sykes is still working to obscure the connection between the Trump cult and the longterm conservative power grab that he’s been pushing for decades.

He regrets “certain” things.

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KGxvi  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:44:38pm

re: #3 Unabogie

What is broken with these people? It’s exponentially cheaper to create public pools than it is to ensure people aren’t dying from the heat by installing air conditioners, thanks to tools like Eric who have been lying about climate change for decades.

For someone like Erickson (who is a couple years older than me), if you grew up in the conservative movement you were indoctrinated with the idea that the Republicans and conservativism was not only right but popular among voters (Hugh Hewitt actually wrote a book during the GWB admin about the new permeant Republican majority, which didn’t even last through the Bush presidency). But then you start to look at results and you see that the Republican nominee for president has only won the popular vote once since the 1980s, and you see Democrats take control of the House and/or Senate at various times, you have to build some cognitive dissonance. (Insert Seymore Skinner meme here, “it can’t be that I’m wrong, the kids voters must be wrong”). And having been on the inside of that movement for a bit, it’s easy to get swept up in it. Then you just slowly become more and more reactionary in your tendencies because you’re in an echo chamber

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Unabogie  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:45:01pm

re: #6 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

If they’re to keep people cool, they’re going to need to cool them with heat pumps in the South.
Pools become useless when it’s 100F+ out and the water reaches the point where you can’t dissipate body heat.

Sure, but it’s cheaper to keep a swimming pool cooled off than to run AC in thousands of homes.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:45:48pm

I’m really trying to be aware of ableism, but one word I keep having trouble with is idiot, because I’ve never thought of it as a comment on someone’s intelligence. Very smart, successful people can still be idiots. It’s more of a comment on someone’s awareness (and often empathy) than intelligence. But I dunno. You tell me if I’m wrong.

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Florida Panhandler  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:46:50pm

re: #9 ckkatz

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If this is part of an initial effort to redistribute the US Military out of Red States I’m all in. They love their Socialism …when it means guns and tanks. Let them see how they like living with a little less Socialism in their backyard. Watch them bitch and moan.

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Unabogie  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:48:48pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I’m really trying to be aware of ableism, but one word I keep having trouble with is idiot, because I’ve never thought of it as a comment on someone’s intelligence. Very smart, successful people can still be idiots. It’s more of a comment on someone’s awareness (and often empathy) than intelligence. But I dunno. You tell me if I’m wrong.

I can’t say if you’re right or wrong, but I tend to just listen to people when they explain how words have hurt them. If I’m given a choice, I’ll just choose to speak in a way that says the same thing without the harm, even if I don’t quite get it.

Just my two cents.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:50:35pm

The Republicans are still hawking the Burisma bullshit, because they have nothing.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:53:13pm

re: #5 ckkatz

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funny how one never has to consider giving that advice to a group of young liberals

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:54:28pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I’m really trying to be aware of ableism, but one word I keep having trouble with is idiot, because I’ve never thought of it as a comment on someone’s intelligence. Very smart, successful people can still be idiots. It’s more of a comment on someone’s awareness (and often empathy) than intelligence. But I dunno. You tell me if I’m wrong.

that’s why “eejit” is a handy substitute

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:56:38pm

As a tangent to Charles’s comment: when our kids were small my wife had no problem calling them baka (many here probably know that in Japanese it’s one way of saying stupid or idiot). But if I said in English, “don’t be stupid” she’d get mad. For her there is a cultural nuance to baka that doesn’t exist with “stupid.” TBH, I’m still not sure I agree. Especially after our first son, who would babble incessantly between ages two and three, received this in Japanese from her: “if you don’t be quiet I’m going to sew your lips shut.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:57:48pm

Noticed downstairs that Jared Kushner’s uncle was supporting Chris Christie. Guess that this uncle appreciated Christie’s throwing his brother in prison for the terrible way he treated their sister’s husband.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:58:46pm

re: #20 Hecuba’s daughter

Noticed downstairs that Jared Kushner’s uncle was supporting Chris Christie. Guess that this uncle appreciated Christie’s throwing his brother in prison for the terrible way he treated their sister’s husband.

CC says he thinks Jared needs to be investigated. Maybe this is a way of trying to control him.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 31, 2023 • 4:58:56pm

something for the D&D fans here:

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:01:09pm

re: #16 No Malarkey!

It’s depressing reading that timeline. Propaganda like something out of North Korea.

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:03:57pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:04:34pm

re: #14 Florida Panhandler

If this is part of an initial effort to redistribute the US Military out of Red States I’m all in. They love their Socialism …when it means guns and tanks. Let them see how they like living with a little less Socialism in their backyard. Watch them bitch and moan.

I cannot believe that Tuberville is able to block all these appointments on his own without tacit support from other GOP Senators. He’s just the visible wing of those working to undermine our government and our nation.

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William Lewis  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:05:59pm

re: #22 Backwoods Sleuth

something for the D&D fans here:

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That. Is. Wonderful 😎

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:06:27pm
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No Malarkey!  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:06:58pm

re: #26 Hecuba’s daughter

I cannot believe that Tuberville is able to block all these appointments on his own without tacit support from other GOP Senators. He’s just the visible wing of those working to undermine our government and our nation.

They could stop it anytime and choose not to.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:07:31pm

re: #16 No Malarkey!

The Republicans are still hawking the Burisma bullshit, because they have nothing.

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They don’t give a shit about US national interest or security. The entire point is that Biden’s charge was to force the prosecutor to investigate Burisma in spite of the fact that his son was on the board. And failing that, to get the prosecutor fired (that’s what Ambassador Yovanovitch was tasked with and that’s why Giuliani made her tenure dangerous, forcing her to leave).

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:08:41pm
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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:11:11pm

re: #29 No Malarkey!

They could stop it anytime and choose not to.

Yup!

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:11:19pm

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:12:23pm

re: #31 ckkatz

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:13:44pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I’m really trying to be aware of ableism, but one word I keep having trouble with is idiot, because I’ve never thought of it as a comment on someone’s intelligence. Very smart, successful people can still be idiots. It’s more of a comment on someone’s awareness (and often empathy) than intelligence. But I dunno. You tell me if I’m wrong.

I like the term ‘fucktard’ - has nothing to do with intelligence per se…just means the person is too dumb to fuck.

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:15:44pm

Speaking of fucktards…

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Captain Ron  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:17:08pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:18:58pm

I like the term “fucktardashians” for the family show. But somehow it hasn’t caught on.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:20:37pm

re: #15 Unabogie

I can’t say if you’re right or wrong, but I tend to just listen to people when they explain how words have hurt them. If I’m given a choice, I’ll just choose to speak in a way that says the same thing without the harm, even if I don’t quite get it.

Just my two cents.

Always the best way to act, no doubt.

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Captain Ron  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:22:57pm
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PhillyPretzel ✅  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:25:15pm

Right wrist is in a splint due to a work injury. Get x-rays tomorrow. I am hoping for the best.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:27:45pm

re: #41 PhillyPretzel ✅

Right wrist is in a splint due to a work injury. Get x-rays tomorrow. I am hoping for the best.

I hope the other guy isn’t too bad off.

/

{{{Philly}}}

I hope it doesn’t hurt.

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EstebanTornado1963  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:28:09pm

Made it all afternoon without hearing that golfers (and by extension, me) and everything golf sucks and are assholes.
Hopefully the time away from here helps, or they get the help they need.

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:29:24pm

re: #41 PhillyPretzel ✅

Right wrist is in a splint due to a work injury. Get x-rays tomorrow. I am hoping for the best.

Ouch!

Hope you heal up quick. Until then, no karate chops..

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:30:01pm

I fell down on a step. I should have looked.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:31:11pm

re: #45 PhillyPretzel ✅

I fell down on a step. I should have looked.

I’m so sorry. I hope it goes well tomorrow. I’ll keep you in my thoughts. Poor thing.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:31:34pm

re: #45 PhillyPretzel ✅

Ouch!!!!!!!!

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:32:08pm

re: #45 PhillyPretzel ✅

I fell down on a step. I should have looked.

Growing up, when I tripped, my father used to tell me to be careful, I’ll heal up, but he might have to pay for repairs to the sidewalk.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:33:41pm

Giant viruses lurking in the soils of New England. Is it OK if I write a screenplay since I’m not in the union, or is that poor form?

Giant viruses lurking in the soils of a New England forest sport traits never seen in other viruses of similar heft — from star-like outer shells to bizarre, tubular appendages, according to a preprint study published in bioRxiv.

“What we found is a whole new diversity of shapes that we have never seen before,” study co-author Matthias Fischer, a virologist at Max Planck Institute for Medical Research in Germany, told Live Science. “I would bet that many of those, if not the majority, are completely new and first sightings of viruses that we have never seen before.”

Giant viruses usually range from 0.2 to 1.5 micrometers in size and have complex genomes that can carry up to 2.5 million DNA base pairs, according to the study. That’s much larger than most viruses, such as influenza viruses, which range from 0.08 to 0.12 micrometers in diameter. So far, giant viruses have primarily been found to infect single-cell organisms, like amoebas, rather than animals or humans. This category of viruses has been found in ecosystems all around the world, including oceans, lakes in the Arctic and even melting permafrost.

Bizarre giant viruses with tubular tentacles and star-like shells discovered in New England forest (LiveScience)

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retired cynic  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:33:49pm

re: #48 ckkatz

I see you inherited that from him.

I’m sorry, Philly!

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:34:32pm
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Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:35:51pm

re: #16 No Malarkey!

The Republicans are still hawking the Burisma bullshit, because they have nothing.

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According to Dan Goldman, Archer’s testimony was a big nothingburger.

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:43:43pm

One comment in this interview of Tim Snyder stuck with me:

“The thing is, Russia can’t have a domestic policy. The elites have stolen all the money, all the laws are corrupted, and there’s almost no social mobility or possibility of change in most Russian’s lives. So foreign policy has to compensate and provide the raw material[..] for governance.”

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:46:23pm
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darthstar  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:46:23pm

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:46:49pm

re: #49 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Giant viruses lurking in the soils of New England. Is it OK if I write a screenplay since I’m not in the union, or is that poor form?

Bizarre giant viruses with tubular tentacles and star-like shells discovered in New England forest (LiveScience)

That would make you a scab. You could say the viruses produced a scab.

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:50:02pm

Good…the strobe was flashing a rent controlled building filled with elderly people.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:52:30pm

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:54:55pm

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:57:44pm

re: #6 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

When I was a kid, we would go to the Abilene State Park (out past Buffalo Gap) to the pool. It was fed by an underground channel, and was in the 60s in the summer. You had to jump in because trying to get used to to it would take forever.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:58:23pm

U.S. News Media Learn To Pronounce Oliveira Challenge.

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Captain Ron  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:58:36pm
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Captain Ron  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:58:57pm
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sagehen  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:59:20pm

re: #49 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Giant viruses lurking in the soils of New England. Is it OK if I write a screenplay since I’m not in the union, or is that poor form?

Bizarre giant viruses with tubular tentacles and star-like shells discovered in New England forest (LiveScience)

I think I saw this movie. It did not end well.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2023 • 5:59:59pm

re: #60 Belafon

Like Barton Springs in Austin.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:02:09pm

re: #64 sagehen

I think I saw this movie. It did not end well.

Southern New England. Not up where I live! (I say with absolutely no confidence that in addition to the black flies, ticks, mosquitos, poison ivy there is not another danger where I walk my dog).

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:04:46pm

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steve_davis  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:09:48pm

re: #49 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Giant viruses lurking in the soils of New England. Is it OK if I write a screenplay since I’m not in the union, or is that poor form?

Bizarre giant viruses with tubular tentacles and star-like shells discovered in New England forest (LiveScience)

already written. “The Colour out of Space,” more or less.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:15:08pm

re: #68 steve_davis

NINGEN ISU / The Colour out of Space (人間椅子 / 宇宙からの色)

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Captain Ron  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:15:13pm
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Florida Panhandler  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:17:58pm

re: #70 Captain Ron

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In other words, the “Let’s allow or cause the world to burn to the ground and us alone to remain on top of the ashes” club.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:19:16pm

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mmmirele  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:22:30pm

re: #3 Unabogie

What is broken with these people? It’s exponentially cheaper to create public pools than it is to ensure people aren’t dying from the heat by installing air conditioners, thanks to tools like Eric who have been lying about climate change for decades.

I’m just going to point out that in some places, it absolutely does not matter if there are swimming pools in July and August, because they are TOO HOT to swim in, unless you’re feeding chilled water into the pools. Those places would be (for example) south central Arizona, where pool water is not going to be below 90F / 32C this time of year because the temperature in general never gets below 90F / 32C for weeks on end. And that’s maybe if your pool is shaded. Pool water is like bath water this time of year, unless you’re feeding chilled water into the pool, and that is EXPENSIVE.

Sorry to rant about this, but you can’t swim in the pools and expect it to be refreshing this time of year. The water is warm coming out of the tap, fer cryin’ out loud. Why yes, even showers suck.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:25:44pm

re: #70 Captain Ron

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Also, point of interest during the current time of Q-Anon and the anti-trans moral panic, this club of super elite conservatives is named after an admitted pederast who was driven out of his Church for molesting kids.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:27:34pm
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Captain Ron  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:44:20pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:44:28pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

Also, point of interest during the current time of Q-Anon and the anti-trans moral panic, this club of super elite conservatives is named after an admitted pederast who was driven out of his Church for molesting kids.

Sort of like how there should be some suspicion directed toward a billionaire who had a modeling agency that literally imported Eastern European teenagers and kept them in hostels where they had to work off debt.

But that’s against the QAnon rules. Obvious bad things must be bravely stepped over to discover those things Truly Bad things, darker than black, that there’s no evidence for.

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Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:49:16pm

Every accusation is a confession. It’s more obvious than Onle Skum’s giant X flashing in your face forever.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:49:53pm

re: #25 ckkatz

DeathSantis is a racist so of course he’ll pick a fight with Black Republicans. I assume he’s as shocked as I am that any Black person would remain in a party which disparages and discriminates against them at every chance it gets.

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:52:16pm

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:56:31pm

Shit, at some point I was going to keep a tally of how often a conspiracy theory amounts to overlooking the obvious open crime to seek out some occult, magical version of the same crime…

…with the corollary that the obvious crime is victimizing poor people in the imperial periphery, and the conspiracist version the victims are privileged individuals of the imperial core.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:56:37pm

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2023 • 6:59:45pm

re: #82 Patricia Kayden

Well, their bodies would have decomposed and now they’re preserved forever in their original form.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:02:38pm

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No Malarkey!  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:03:31pm

re: #76 Captain Ron

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Hilarious. We have Trump on falsifying records, rape, trying to overturn an election through fraud and violence, stealing national security secrets and obstruction of Justice, and they have Biden for talking to his son on the phone.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:06:39pm

re: #85 No Malarkey!

Hilarious. We have Trump on falsifying records, rape, trying to overturn an election through fraud and violence, stealing national security secrets and obstruction of Justice, and they have Biden for talking to his son on the phone.

Yeah but all of Trump’s crimes aren’t against real people that count. Heck most of them weren’t even crimes, just extrajudicial enforcement of the natural order of existence.

To the natural elect of this nation, who are all loyal Trump supporters, Biden is on the other hand guilty of rustling the jimmies of higher-caste individuals.

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William Lewis  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:11:01pm

re: #84 Patricia Kayden

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I see a second one next to it that says “Traitor Lives Here” too.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:12:36pm

re: #84 Patricia Kayden

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No Malarkey!  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:15:15pm

This is horrifying. A U.S. agency plants cyanide bombs hither and yon to kill coyotes, but they can also kill or severely disable people and pets. I never knew.

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TedStriker  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:16:50pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I’m really trying to be aware of ableism, but one word I keep having trouble with is idiot, because I’ve never thought of it as a comment on someone’s intelligence. Very smart, successful people can still be idiots. It’s more of a comment on someone’s awareness (and often empathy) than intelligence. But I dunno. You tell me if I’m wrong.

I think willful ignorance can be a valid criteria for calling someone ‘idiot’.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:18:43pm

re: #89 No Malarkey!

How did gigantic herds of buffalo ever survive without humans killing their predators with cyanide bombs?

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BigPapa  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:29:13pm

re: #70 Captain Ron

Seth Cotlar is hilarious. And spicy.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:32:53pm

re: #29 No Malarkey!

They could stop it anytime and choose not to.

The same as with tfg

If the R party banded together and found a common spine they could say “enough”!

But they are cowards.
And they have lost their way

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:33:49pm

re: #52 Vicious Babushka

Hunter put him on speakerphone and they talked about the weather. This is what the MAGA cult has been freaking out about all these years.

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:34:21pm
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jaunte  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:37:34pm

re: #95 ckkatz

But for some reason, Claudia Tenney will not test her sincere convictions in court.

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Captain Ron  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:39:23pm
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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:39:46pm
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jeffreyw  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:41:13pm

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:42:34pm
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calochortus  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:46:08pm

re: #89 No Malarkey!

This is horrifying. A U.S. agency plants cyanide bombs hither and yon to kill coyotes, but they can also kill or severely disable people and pets. I never knew.

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Also, killing coyotes doesn’t effectively control their populations. They just make more coyotes.

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Captain Ron  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:50:47pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:53:09pm

re: #102 Captain Ron

Greenwald is an fool. Can’t believe I used to read his column at Salon. What a fall.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:55:54pm

re: #103 Patricia Kayden

Greenwald is an fool. Can’t believe I used to read his column at Salon. What a fall.

He’s not a fool; he’s a malicious traitor, possibly on Putin’s payroll. I cannot believe I respected him 20 years ago.

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Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:56:59pm

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2023 • 7:57:00pm

re: #99 jeffreyw

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The perfect toot.

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 8:02:45pm

Here’s what a dud from a US DPICM (Cluster Bomb) looks like-

Here’s schematic of the shell that carries them-

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jul 31, 2023 • 8:03:37pm

re: #104 Hecuba’s daughter

He’s not a fool; he’s a malicious traitor, possibly on Putin’s payroll. I cannot believe I respected him 20 years ago.

Closer to 30 years for me. I fell for his bullshit for a little while in my 20s, but noticed that toward the end of his stories he’d include a fact that completely deflated the headline and most of the story.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 31, 2023 • 8:05:58pm

re: #105 Vicious Babushka

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That’s right, Comer desperately wants POTUS to be corrupt, even though he has no evidence of it, and this scumbag is my congressman.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2023 • 8:10:08pm

re: #99 jeffreyw

My fave.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 31, 2023 • 8:11:15pm

re: #98 ckkatz

Okay…I’m again in a “choose violence mood” but…

…Donald Trump’s Big Lie is contingent on a Big Lie that circulates mostly in democratic nations: the notion that capitalism is a meritocratic system in which success and morality and “intelligence” are triune.

Like, yeah, dictators lie more than elected officials, but that’s because most elected officials are all telling the same lie, that their democracy is democratic and not heavily warped by the priorities of an ownership class that aren’t necessarily even citizens*. In democracies most of the day-to-day lying is left to the private sector; dictators have to do all their own vertical and horizontal integration of culture-shaping deception.

Fascism is what you get when the people with power need to explain all their failures and undelivered promises without implicating themselves. The most notable fascist to overrun a democratic system did so with a rhetoric that “explained” the failures of nationalism as a mix of internal betrayal and external forces that cheated the nation of its patrimonial greatness (and colonial power).

the ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.

Hannah Arendt is brilliant, I use this quote myself, but let’s actually follow through on this observation: who controls the helm of culture that creates people like this? Because the type must pre-exist the totalitarian leader if they are present to prop up the former…therefore they arise through some other form of cultivation.

In the United States, who has done the most work to blur the lines between fiction and fact, true and false? It’s not politicians, it’s for-profit entities that want to assert a narrative that they shouldn’t be judged as for-profit entities. Rich people aren’t just rich, they’re all self-made virtuous people that should be emulated; corporations aren’t giant machines that have to devalue individual’s work to generate profit, they’re “families” that uplift people by creating jobs.

Trump’s own rap actually echoes this twice. First in that his entire image as a success involves the invocation of wealth as all values at once: he is worth a large number, and thus virtuous and smart and a winner. But more importantly he builds upon an existing mythos in all his declarations of betrayal and revenge and return to greatness: someone had to establish the inevitability of greatness for the sense of betrayal he nurtures to exist.

* It’s also notable that the most common lie of dictators is the their dictatorship is democratic, and the second most common lie is that the economic system under dictatorship is fair. Most subsequent, intense lies by dictators are follow-up lies, explanatory addendums necessary because their rule is neither democratic nor fair. You can take the same observation Ben-Ghiat as a cleaving-in-twain between democracy and autocracy and see a strand of commonality.

In not saying Ben-Ghiat is damnably wrong, but I feel that it’s important to see both the higher-order similarity and the dialectical tension—how the different things emanate from the same thing, how the things are both opposite and similar.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jul 31, 2023 • 8:16:23pm

whoismakingnews.com

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ckkatz  Jul 31, 2023 • 8:17:48pm

So, today I learned that a common name for Russian military vehicles with improvised armor is “BlyatMobile”.

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jeffreyw  Jul 31, 2023 • 8:21:39pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

My fave.

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The little redbud tree that the camera was mounted on blew down in a fierce gust front that came through a couple of days ago. I’m hoping to find a nice way to mount it back. The bird bath needs to stay right there.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Jul 31, 2023 • 8:21:53pm

re: #113 ckkatz

So, today I learned that a common name for Russian military vehicles with improvised armor is “BlyatMobile”.

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And now I know Blyat probably means “shit” in this context, but can mean other things, primarily “whore.”

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2023 • 8:24:48pm

re: #102 Captain Ron

Greenwald lives in Brazil because he doesn’t want to face possible indictment in the US.


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