Zefrank’s True Facts: Fish That Suck

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It’s terrifying! It’s like a fish that’s inside another fish! Spring-loaded poisonous harpoons!

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Dr Peter Wainwright, UC Davis
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Dr Udo Savalli, Arizona State University
Dr Jamie Seymour, James Cook University
Dr Shinji Sugiura, Kobe University
& all the scientists who have made their research Open Access.

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89 comments
1
Teukka  Aug 16, 2023 • 10:46:41am
2
Nerdy Fish  Aug 16, 2023 • 10:47:49am

Fish that suck. You rang?///

3
Teukka  Aug 16, 2023 • 10:51:08am

Uhmmm. Wat…

Iframe

4
DodgerFan1988  Aug 16, 2023 • 10:53:36am


“Critical Race Theory”

5
No Malarkey!  Aug 16, 2023 • 10:53:44am

The grift goes on.

6
dat_said  Aug 16, 2023 • 10:56:21am

Texas school districts struggling to afford security to comply with new law

Texas House Bill 3 requires an armed officer on every campus, but districts say cost and recruitment are the two biggest hurdles stopping them from complying with the new law.

There is an exception where schools who can’t hire an armed officer can have a school marshal or guardian instead (basically anyone on staff whether a football coach or janitor whose been trained to carry a firearm on campus), but they’re having trouble finding any of those that are willing.

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cat-tikvah  Aug 16, 2023 • 10:56:23am

Oooh look at all the Lindsey Grahams on that shark fin!

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Teukka  Aug 16, 2023 • 10:58:40am

re: #5 No Malarkey!

The grift goes on.

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Was about to post that…

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No Malarkey!  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:02:11am

re: #6 dat_said

Texas school districts struggling to afford security to comply with new law

There is an exception where schools who can’t hire an armed officer can have a school marshal or guardian instead (basically anyone on staff whether a football coach or janitor whose been trained to carry a firearm on campus), but they’re having trouble finding any of those that are willing.

The obvious solution is to arm the students if the staff are unwilling. I can’t think of any other conceivable solution to gun violence in schools.

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Teukka  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:04:48am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:08:59am

re: #9 No Malarkey!

The state is providing a $15,000 grant per campus, but the new law is primarily unfunded. The grant is just a tiny fraction compared to the money needed to comply with the mandate of hiring an armed officer at every school in Texas. According to the Texas Association of School Boards, it would cost $80,000 to place a resource officer at one campus.

Republicans: This law says you need to have a well-trained person with a gun on campus at all times. It’s about protecting kids.

School: Well, wouldn’t it be better to do something about the guns?

Repbulicans: Why? The guns haven’t done anything wrong.

School: *sigh* Okay, so this new law. You’re going to give us money to help hire these people, right?

Republicans:

laugh harder

12
Captain Ron  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:10:58am
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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:11:37am

re: #9 No Malarkey!

The obvious solution is to arm the students if the staff are unwilling. I can’t think of any other conceivable solution to gun violence in schools.

old enough to give birth…

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William Lewis  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:11:57am

re: #2 Nerdy Fish

Fish that suck. You rang?///

Not.
Going.
There.

;)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:16:38am

Who could have ever guessed that putting a bunch of unqualified religious nutjobs in charge of a College wouldn’t work out so well?

///

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sizzzzlerz  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:21:19am

re: #6 dat_said

Texas school districts struggling to afford security to comply with new law

There is an exception where schools who can’t hire an armed officer can have a school marshal or guardian instead (basically anyone on staff whether a football coach or janitor whose been trained to carry a firearm on campus), but they’re having trouble finding any of those that are willing.

School Principal: So, Coach Jimmy Bob, we’d like for you to serve as the school’s armed marshal to protect our students from any shooters that may pop in.

Coach Jimmy Bob: Fuck that, Pete. You think I’m crazy. I’d rather teach math.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:24:20am

re: #4 DodgerFan1988

“Will the Truth set me free?”
Chef’s Kiss……

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jaunte  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:24:29am

re: #12 Captain Ron

It seems like there’s enough in that New College fiasco to warrant a class action suit by the students and parents.
insidehighered.com

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dat_said  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:25:24am

Early plate tectonics was surprisingly speedy

I love how the concept of time changes based on the perspective. Here “speedy” is about 2 feet a year (Pilbara Craton in this case - an early continent, now a chunk of Australia).

One of my first engineering jobs involved computer chip timing analysis and one challenge that popped up was taking a half a nanosecond delay out of a critical circuit path. That half nanosecond felt astronomically long.

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darthstar  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:26:59am

re: #5 No Malarkey!

The grift goes on.

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McCarthy was asked about this and didn’t seem to mind.

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Jay C  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:27:48am

re: #16 sizzzzlerz

School Principal: So, Coach Jimmy Bob, we’d like for you to serve as the school’s armed marshal to protect our students from any shooters that may pop in.

Coach Jimmy Bob: Fuck that, Pete. You think I’m crazy. I’d rather teach math.

School Principal: “Well, sorry to hear that, Jimmy Bob: guess we’ll have to find someone else to pay the marshal bonus to”.

Coach Jimmy Bob: “Is it open-carry or concealed??”

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lawhawk  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:29:53am
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retired cynic  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:36:20am

Bless Jamie Raskin!

Democrats Laugh at House GOP’s Trump Protection Push
politicalwire.com

“House Republicans first flirted with nullifying Donald Trump’s impeachments back when the former president faced only two indictments. Now that number has doubled, and the manager of Trump’s second impeachment — Rep. Jamie Raskin — simply laughed when asked about the GOP’s case for trying to erase Trump’s record,” Politico reports.

Said Raskin: “They could pass expungements, reversals, nullifications, apologies, pardons and valentines to Donald Trump, but it makes no difference.”

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sizzzzlerz  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:38:42am

re: #17 Dave In Austin

“Will the Truth set me free?”
Chef’s Kiss……

Loved it when the guy knelt in front of the woman. She had no idea what to do.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:44:21am

Maybe these people don’t want to volunteer to guard these schools with their guns because they’ll end up being held liable for anything bad that happens, and no one could possibly afford the insurance (if any company would even underwrite it in the first place).

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darthstar  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:44:37am

re: #23 retired cynic

Bless Jamie Raskin!

Valentines…lol.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:44:40am

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A Cranky One  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:46:02am

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darthstar  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:47:49am

re: #25 Ace Rothstein

Maybe these people don’t want to volunteer to guard these schools with their guns because they’ll end up being held liable for anything bad that happens, and no one could possibly afford the insurance (if any company would even underwrite it in the first place).

And the kids know them already. “What’s with the gun, Mr. K? Going hypotenuse hunting? I guess it will kill me to get my homework done on time.”

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jaunte  Aug 16, 2023 • 11:50:45am

@emptywheel.bsky.social

Death by Tweet: “User Attribution Is Important”

“…Trump still has a habit of using other people’s phones. The stolen documents indictment reflects Molly Michael telling Walt Nauta that Trump had had her phone. Several of Trump’s aides were asked by J6C whether Trump ever used their phones; several probably didn’t tell the truth in response.

But much of execution of January 6 went through the single most stable means of communication Donald Trump had: his Twitter account. And to attribute any actions that happened using Trump’s Twitter account, DOJ needed as much data as possible about who else used it and in what circumstances.

User attribution is important. Especially with a guy who has the ability to murder by tweet.
emptywheel.net

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Dave In Austin  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:00:54pm
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Jay C  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:02:28pm

Via TPM:
Fifth Circuit Rejects Challenge to Abortions Pill’s Approval, but Uphold Some Restrictions

A Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals panel handed down a decision Wednesday batting down challenges to the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) initial approval of abortion drug mifepristone, but reinstituting restrictions that the agency has lifted in recent years.

The Supreme Court had previously issued a stay in the case, meaning that mifepristone will remain fully accessible until the high Court either issues its own ruling or declines to hear the likely coming appeal from the Fifth Circuit.

Check out the list of Plaintiffs (oy!). Question: does “D.O.” mean osteopath?

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nines09  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:03:41pm

instagram.com

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:06:32pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

Who could have ever guessed that putting a bunch of unqualified religious nutjobs in charge of a College wouldn’t work out so well?

///

I’m sure they are padding their wallets at the state’s expense quite nicely. Which is fine for DeSantis in terms of servicing his patrons.

Power and money are the goals. That they are shortchanging the state, the students, and all the additional ethical and moral failings are or little importance in comparison.

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jaunte  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:07:58pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

Cosimo Kramedici @slurmslurper.bsky.social

This will simply be the X-ification of college. They’re not turning it into a place where someone can get a good conservative education, they’re just dismantling what had been a nice little place because then they can laugh at some crying 20 year old lesbians

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lawhawk  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:12:46pm

re: #31 Dave In Austin

Don’t think that’s how that works. Don’t think the AG needs the governor to weigh in, and the headline misleads what was said.

The AG is investigating the matter, and we also know that the former GOP AG from AZ sat on a report that found no fraud in the election. The odds are that the AG will issue indictments, and one can make an argument that the former AG should be charged with conspiracy as his actions furthered the criminal conspiracy by burying facts that would harm the conspiratorial effort to discount the election results.

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Unabogie  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:13:27pm

re: #34 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I’m sure they are padding their wallets at the state’s expense quite nicely. Which is fine for DeSantis in terms of servicing his patrons.

Power and money are the goals. That they are shortchanging the state, the students, and all the additional ethical and moral failings are or little importance in comparison.

It’s one of these stories that it’s tempting to crack jokes about. How buffoonish they are and how it’s all blowing up. But in reality, they succeeded in destroying a well-regarded liberal school that was doing its job well, and replacing it with something that will only destroy itself and leave nothing to replace it.

It’s not a comedy, it’s a tragedy.

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Teukka  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:18:37pm

re: #31 Dave In Austin

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Is it just me but or does it seems like Trump threatening Governors himself and with goons might not have been such a great idea? 🤔

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:18:52pm

re: #37 Unabogie

The cruelty is the point. They actually don’t care that the school is blowing up; in fact, that’s what they were, indirectly, trying to do. When the whole thing inevitably falls over in a couple of years, they will crow about how they “destroyed a bastion of illiberal higher learning” and reiterate their tired old refrain of, “Go ‘woke,’ go broke.” Because who cares about real-world consequences for those poor students and faculty who got fucked over? They deserved it for not being the right kind of people in the first place.

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JC1  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:19:06pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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Good example of mean vs median averages. The mean number of felonies the average US president has been charged with is ~1.98; the median number is 0.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:25:11pm

re: #32 Jay C

Via TPM:
Fifth Circuit Rejects Challenge to Abortions Pill’s Approval, but Uphold Some Restrictions

Check out the list of Plaintiffs (oy!). Question: does “D.O.” mean osteopath?

Google says it does.

Also, about that ruling:

The panel held the same on the 2021 alterations to the drug’s regime, where the FDA, most significantly, removed the in-person dispensing requirement.

“As with the 2016 Amendments, removing the in-person dispensing requirement does not change the basic concept of allowing women to use mifepristone,” the judges wrote.

But, the judges were very willing to question the FDA’s decision-making, including on fairly technical clinical aspects. For example, the judges gave the greenlight to reimposing restrictions that the FDA lifted in 2016 — including expanding the on-label gestational window in which the drug can be used — because they quibbled with how the agency determined that the changes were safe.

The ruling is also replete with histrionic messaging about the danger of mifepristone, talking points that have been a ubiquitous and long-lived tactic of the anti-abortion movement and have resulted in restrictions that major medical groups have long critiqued as based in politics and not medical necessity.

Judge James Ho, another Trump appointee, wrote separately to say that he also would have invalidated the FDA’s 2000 approval of mifepristone.

Thess fucking pricks. AGH.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:25:53pm

If he weren’t a former president, Trump would be in custody right now for his continued attacks on judges and prosecutors and others.

It’s infuriating. All these people telling us we shouldn’t “politicize” the issue, but if it weren’t for the politics Trump would be treated like any other criminal defendant. If you really want to stop politicizing it, put this fucker in jail and make him stop doing this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:30:02pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

If he weren’t a former president, Trump would be in custody right now for his continued attacks on judges and prosecutors and others.

It’s infuriating. All these people telling us we shouldn’t “politicize” the issue, but if it weren’t for the politics Trump would be treated like any other criminal defendant. If you really want to stop politicizing it, put this fucker in jail and make him stop doing this.

Louder for the people in the back.

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Nojay UK  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:32:00pm

re: #21 Jay C

Coach Jimmy Bob: “Is it open-carry or concealed??”

“Is belt-fed an option?”

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lawhawk  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:32:01pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

If he weren’t a former president, Trump would be in custody right now for his continued attacks on judges and prosecutors and others.

It’s infuriating. All these people telling us we shouldn’t “politicize” the issue, but if it weren’t for the politics Trump would be treated like any other criminal defendant. If you really want to stop politicizing it, put this fucker in jail and make him stop doing this.

SBF is in jail pending trial for witness tampering/intimidation and interfering in the trial process.

Trump’s conduct is no different, other than his scope and scale of misconduct being that much greater.

Separate from the witness tampering/intimidation is that Trump should have been remanded to custody pending trial on the Espionage Act violations. That case shows the two-tier justice system more clearly than any other, since no one other than Trump would be out of jail after accused of the crimes he engaged in. The only reason he’s out pending trial is that he’s a former POTUS, and nothing stops a former elected official from being prosecuted and treated like a common criminal (except the braying of GOPers who claim doing so is a witch hunt).

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wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:32:25pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

If he weren’t a former president, Trump would be in custody right now for his continued attacks on judges and prosecutors and others.

It’s infuriating. All these people telling us we shouldn’t “politicize” the issue, but if it weren’t for the politics Trump would be treated like any other criminal defendant. If you really want to stop politicizing it, put this fucker in jail and make him stop doing this.

This morning when I saw him referred to as ‘Trump, out on bail’, I took some comfort in the temporariness implied.

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piratedan  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:33:35pm

re: #36 lawhawk

if so, that would place Brnovich on the hot seat. Plus, we have a number of high profile MAGA (read some state legislatures and most egregious chest thumper-trumpers) who signed on to that fake electors sheet. They bypassed the existing GOP head (i.e. Rusty Bowers of J6 hearings fame) in order to get this done because he wouldn’t sign on.

This could be a big damn deal in AZ as there is a party schism here between the crazies and the batshit insane factions and some chamber of commerce types who only engage in casual cruelty. Unsure how this all pans out, but if you thot AZ was prime tinder before, this lawsuit is an accellerant (not that it isn’t needed, just that you have to be careful with controlled burns in dry season).

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lawhawk  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:35:51pm

That Trump trial calendar is getting hard to navigate. He’s going to be on trial for a bunch of primaries. That should lead the news everywhere - he’s on trial for multiple felonies, and this is the fucker the GOP thinks should head the party?

The GOP are corrupt and hopelessly so. It’ll be even funnier should they nominate Trump just as he’s sentence to years in prison, and they’ll have to carry him to term.

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A Cranky One  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:36:39pm

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lawhawk  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:37:19pm

re: #48 lawhawk

Arraignments to start week of September 5.

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Egregious Philbin  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:38:14pm

re: #47 piratedan

I haven’t seen any official announcement yet, but it would be awesome. I am so glad we elected Katie instead of that (expletive deleted) Kari Lake. Brnovitch didn’t do jack squat. The people who brought in the sham Cyber Ninjas who basically stole our money also need to pay, as well as the fake electors (some of them are still AZ reps and senators, and “Chemtrail Kelly” Ward, the whack-a-doodle who did manage to nearly bankrupt the AZ Republican party.

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Thanos  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:38:34pm

re: #34 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I’m sure they are padding their wallets at the state’s expense quite nicely. Which is fine for DeSantis in terms of servicing his patrons.

Power and money are the goals. That they are shortchanging the state, the students, and all the additional ethical and moral failings are or little importance in comparison.

So true but their longer term goal is destruction of the institutions we rely on to keep our society and democracy strong. They want to take us back to the dark ages if that’s what it takes to get back to their favorite form of government: God ordered monarchy aka Feudalism.

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steve_davis  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:40:59pm

re: #31 Dave In Austin

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trump is definitely going to be pulling a train here.

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:42:01pm

There is no truth to the rumor that Trump and his 41 felonies caused the Nixon family to send him a thank you note.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:42:02pm

Someone mentioned that releasing the names of the grand jurors in Atlanta would put them in jeopardy.

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wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:44:06pm

re: #47 piratedan

if so, that would place Brnovich on the hot seat. Plus, we have a number of high profile MAGA (read some state legislatures and most egregious chest thumper-trumpers) who signed on to that fake electors sheet. They bypassed the existing GOP head (i.e. Rusty Bowers of J6 hearings fame) in order to get this done because he wouldn’t sign on.

This could be a big damn deal in AZ as there is a party schism here between the crazies and the batshit insane factions and some chamber of commerce types who only engage in casual cruelty. Unsure how this all pans out, but if you thot AZ was prime tinder before, this lawsuit is an accellerant (not that it isn’t needed, just that you have to be careful with controlled burns in dry season).

“Prescribed burns”

Lack of control became obvious in Los Alamos. They burned 300 houses, and changed the word.

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ericblair  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:44:07pm

re: #45 lawhawk

SBF is in jail pending trial for witness tampering/intimidation and interfering in the trial process.

Trump’s conduct is no different, other than his scope and scale of misconduct being that much greater.

Lock these fuckers all up, fear of immediate punishment is the only thing these moral degenerates understand. Trump and all of his droolers will not stop themselves and will need to be stopped, physically.

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lawhawk  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:54:53pm

Who are the unindicted coconspirators who weren’t explicitly named in the GA case?

Well, the Daily Beast figured out a bunch - 21 of 30 identified unnamed coconspirators.

Fake electors are most of the unknown/unnamed individuals at this time.

Among the key figures:
Tom Fitton
Boris Epshteyn
Robert Sinners - Trump’s election day operations chief (and whose name is wholly appropriate)
Bernie Kerik
Burt Jones (who’s the current GA Lt. Gov)
Stephanie Lambert - a Sidney Powell confederate.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:55:46pm

re: #23 retired cynic

Raskin, who is my represntavive, is what a politician should be - the mockery of his ‘doo rag’ makes it even better. Honey badger don’t give a fuck.

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Teukka  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:56:35pm

re: #55 No Malarkey!

Someone mentioned that releasing the names of the grand jurors in Atlanta would put them in jeopardy.

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They aren’t too bright…
Bless their little hearts…

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lawhawk  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:56:55pm
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steve_davis  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:57:03pm

There isn’t really anything that would prevent the Georgia judge from saying, “due to the defendant’s pattern of attempting to intimidate witnesses, I’m going to have him held without bail”?

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No Malarkey!  Aug 16, 2023 • 12:58:18pm

re: #62 steve_davis

There isn’t really anything that would prevent the Georgia judge from saying, “due to the defendant’s pattern of attempting to intimidate witnesses, I’m going to have him held without bail”?

Fear for his life, maybe.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:00:12pm

re: #25 Ace Rothstein

Maybe these people don’t want to volunteer to guard these schools with their guns because they’ll end up being held liable for anything bad that happens, and no one could possibly afford the insurance (if any company would even underwrite it in the first place).

Perzactly. First kid in the line of fire will bankrupt them. Or, possibly in TX, that would be a stand your ground defense. Kids got in the way of the perp. Or something.

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sagehen  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:03:10pm

re: #59 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

Raskin, who is my represntavive, is what a politician should be - the mockery of his ‘doo rag’ makes it even better. Honey badger don’t give a fuck.

Stevie Van Zandt gave him that doo-rag. Not only does that make Raskin the coolest guy in Congress, the entire New Jersey delegation is apoplectic with envy.

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Teukka  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:03:16pm

re: #62 steve_davis

There isn’t really anything that would prevent the Georgia judge from saying, “due to the defendant’s pattern of attempting to intimidate witnesses, I’m going to have him held without bail”?

Over/under on that?

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wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:03:57pm

re: #59 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

Raskin, who is my represntavive, is what a politician should be - the mockery of his ‘doo rag’ makes it even better. Honey badger don’t give a fuck.

I read about his father last week, as I was reading the history of the Institute for Policy Studies, my favorite think tank. Marcus Raskin is one of the founders.

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bratwurst  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:04:38pm

Glenn Beck can barely contain his glee that he got removed from Apple podcasts today for some reason (which he himself concedes is probably a glitch).

I wonder how the people who are still marks for this man in 2023 manage to feed and dress themselves.

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jaunte  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:05:26pm

Marc Elias @marcelias.bsky.social

We should not allow the criminal law to cramp our understanding of how corrosive Trump was before the 2020 election and how dangerous he remains today

“…Trump’s attack on our democracy continues to this day. He has converted the entire GOP into an anti-democracy machine spewing hate and disinformation. His acolytes target election officials and demonize voters. They celebrate voter suppression and funnel their creativity into finding new ways to disenfranchise young and minority voters.
democracydocket.com

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EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:08:07pm

re: #69 jaunte

The GOP was “an anti-democracy machine spewing hate and disinformation” long before Trump.

I’m concerned by this tendency of commentators to personalize too much of the pathology of the GOP to Trump. Trump is merely a symptom of larger problems with the GOP.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:08:14pm

re: #65 sagehen

Stevie Van Zandt gave him that doo-rag. Not only does that make Raskin the coolest guy in Congress, the entire New Jersey delegation is apoplectic with envy.

Nice piece of trivia that I did not know.

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Florida Panhandler  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:11:02pm

The reality that Trump is a career criminal and is finally going to prison is finally setting in:

Trump a mere 35% Favorable rating
yahoo.com

Just wait for the actual trials and Earth-sized piles of evidence. This collapse is just getting started. As the cult members realize they’ve been had the whole time, Trump will have to start watching his back from his own cult members.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:11:18pm

Mastodon

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jaunte  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:14:06pm

Elmo wearing his $44 billion distressed t-shirt like a teenager excited about “anarchy.”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:18:18pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Kinda looks like an overlay over a really shitty piece of marble?

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No Malarkey!  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:18:28pm

re: #70 EPR-radar

The GOP was “an anti-democracy machine spewing hate and disinformation” long before Trump.

I’m concerned by this tendency of commentators to personalize too much of the pathology of the GOP to Trump. Trump is merely a symptom of larger problems with the GOP.

The whole reason a degenerate conman was able to take control of the GOP was because it was corrupt to the core before he even became a Republican. The hate, the conspiracy theorizing, the lack of any policy program other than regressive tax cuts, was already in place when he came down the escalator.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:20:44pm
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TarHellion  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:22:26pm

Will take the par. There have been some interesting words this week.

Click to Reveal

Wordle 788 4/6

🟨⬜🟨🟨⬜
🟩⬜🟨🟨⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

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sagehen  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:23:52pm

re: #77 No Malarkey!

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that list doesn’t include the personal injury and wrongful death cases from 1/6 cops and their survivors. I guess those are still in the motions and discovery phase, no trial date has been set.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:25:57pm

re: #76 No Malarkey!

All true, but what is the next end-point; do the masses pull out the metaphorical pitchforks? Or, do we continue to tolerate this shit?

I am all about the end-point. That is the solution. But we here are mostly progressives/leftists/the occasional nihilist (yeah, me), and then there is Shropshire Slasher

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EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:26:22pm

re: #76 No Malarkey!

The whole reason a degenerate conman was able to take control of the GOP was because it was corrupt to the core before he even became a Republican. The hate, the conspiracy theorizing, the lack of any policy program other than regressive tax cuts, was already in place when he came down the escalator.

This. IMO the roots of the GOP’s present day degeneracy can be traced back at least a century, although the irreversible path to Trumpism was locked in much later (Gingrich era or Reagan era).

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EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:28:15pm

re: #80 Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅

All true, but what is the next end-point; do the masses pull out the metaphorical pitchforks? Or, do we continue to tolerate this shit?

I am all about the end-point. That is the solution. But we here are mostly progressives/leftists/the occasional nihilist (yeah, me), and then there is Shropshire Slasher

I know what victory looks like — when admitting to having voted Republican in the past is as popular in the US as the same admission was for Germans in the 1950s regarding past votes for Nazis.

But I have no fucking clue how to get there.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:29:41pm

State Bar: Eastman Already Waived Fifth Amendment Privilege, Georgia Charges Don’t Change That

talkingpointsmemo.com

The California State Bar is arguing that recent criminal charges against John Eastman in Fulton County, Georgia should not prevent disbarment proceedings against the former Trump lawyer from restarting next week.

The California Bar officials seeking sanctions against Eastman filed a supplemental court document on Tuesday pushing back on Eastman’s request to postpone his disbarment trial, saying the proceeding against the architect behind Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election should continue despite the fact that Eastman was just indicted by the Fulton County District Attorney.

The Tuesday supplemental document is the second argument California Bar authorities have filed in response to Eastman’s request to postpone disbarment proceedings against him earlier this month. At the time he said he was concerned that he would soon be criminally charged by special counsel Jack Smith.

“[R]ecent developments in the investigation have renewed and intensified [Eastman’s] concerns that the federal government might bring charges against him,” defense attorneys Randall Miller and Zachary Mayer wrote in a court document filed on Aug. 4, after their client Eastman was identified by journalists as an unnamed co-conspirator in the Smith’s second Trump indictment.

Eastman’s legal team argued that if the Department of Justice filed charges then Eastman might decide to assert his Fifth Amendment rights — which would allow him to refuse testimony that might be used against him — during his disbarment proceedings. But, the lawyers argue, Eastman would do so reluctantly as invoking the Fifth Amendment in the disbarment proceedings would muddy Eastman’s ability to defend his law license.

The California State Bar filed it’s first response to Eastman’s request to postpone disbarment proceedings against him on August 10, arguing that special counsel Jack Smith’s latest indictment of Donald Trump is not a good enough reason to delay the trial.

The bar pointed to recent interviews that Eastman gave — including one in which he reiterated and justified the legal arguments he made around Jan. 6 — and argued that Eastman’s “willingness to speak at length in public about his conduct, when he knows he faces possible criminal charges related to this conduct, indicates that he is not concerned about incriminating himself by speaking about these topics.”

“Needless to say, during these interviews, respondent never asserted the Fifth Amendment,” Duncan Carling, the attorney leading the disbarment effort, wrote.

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EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:33:59pm

re: #83 Joe Bacon ✅

This pigfucker getting disbarred will be cause for celebration.

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retired cynic  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:38:46pm

re: #49 A Cranky One

The size of the animal does not guarantee the space taken up on the bed. I have three cats and a single bed. Go figure the logistics.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:41:10pm

5 MB of data on…62,500 punch cards in 1955.

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jaunte  Aug 16, 2023 • 1:51:10pm

Texas:
New Details Of [Ken] Paxton Affair Published In Impeachment Motion
lonestarleft.com

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 16, 2023 • 2:25:19pm

re: #32 Jay C

Via TPM:
Fifth Circuit Rejects Challenge to Abortions Pill’s Approval, but Uphold Some Restrictions

Check out the list of Plaintiffs (oy!). Question: does “D.O.” mean osteopath?

DO is a qualified medical doctor who may or may not have gone to a top medical school. I saw that for the first time a few years ago when I was looking for a surgeon. They’re really and often highly qualified.

I thought the same as you originally until I checked into it.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 16, 2023 • 6:14:40pm

re: #22 lawhawk

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Isn’t that closing the barn door after the horse has run off?


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