Zefrank's True Facts: Crows That Hunt With Sticks

Zefrank’s True Facts: Crows That Hunt With Sticks

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Yes, crows really are scary smart.

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Featuring the work of:
Dr Natalie Uomini, Max Planck Institute
Dr Anne B. Clark, SUNY Binghamton
Dr Michael Griesser, University of Konstanz
Dr Kaeli Swift, University of Washington
Dr Alex Kacelnik, University of Oxford
Dr Jolyon Troscianko, University of Exeter
Dr Christian Rutz, University of St Andrews
Dr Diana Liao, University of Tübingen
Dr Gavin Hunt, University of Auckland
Dr Nicola Clayton, University of Cambridge
Dr Sonja Hillemacher, University of Bonn
Zita Fülöp
Neil Smith

Citations:

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Gruber, R. et al, New Caledonian Crows Use Mental Representations to Solve Metatool Problems, doi.org.

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Dangerman Dec 29, 2023 • 11:25:11am

The U.S. has proposed that working groups from the G7 explore ways to seize $300bn in frozen Russian assets, as the allies rush to agree a plan in time for the second anniversary of Moscow’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine,” the Financial Times reports.

Imagine if tfg was president

PhillyPretzel ✅ Dec 29, 2023 • 11:26:34am

re: #1 Dangerman

I do not want to think of that. DT would be asking for donations for Putin. And a lot of top secret documents.

Dangerman Dec 29, 2023 • 11:33:08am

re: #2 PhillyPretzel ✅

I do not want to think of that. DT would be asking for donations for Putin. And a lot of top secret documents.

He’d find a way to say that $300bn is his. //

PhillyPretzel ✅ Dec 29, 2023 • 11:34:00am

re: #3 Dangerman

Yes. That is what he would try.

jeffreyw Dec 29, 2023 • 11:49:29am

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Belafon Dec 29, 2023 • 11:49:39am

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine Vetoes Trans Ban, “It Is Parents Who Know Their Child Best”
The move is a stunning blow to proponents of gender affirming care bans and shows that there may be cracks in the Republican Party’s strategy on targeting trans youth.

erininthemorning.com

Backwoods Sleuth Dec 29, 2023 • 11:55:31am

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Eventual Carrion Dec 29, 2023 • 12:01:55pm

Best line in that episode was, “It’s not a funeral, at least not like the kind I have been to.
“

Dave In Austin Dec 29, 2023 • 12:10:39pm

I love’s me some good corvid learnin’

jeffreyw Dec 29, 2023 • 12:12:52pm

re: #9 Dave In Austin

I love’s me some good corvid learnin’

It was ruled a murder - there was probable caws

sizzzzlerz Dec 29, 2023 • 12:16:19pm

re: #6 Belafon

erininthemorning.com

I”d like to believe it”s because DeWine has some vestiges of humanity remaining but that can”t be true. We may never know.

goddamnedfrank Dec 29, 2023 • 12:16:28pm

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Nerdy Fish Dec 29, 2023 • 12:18:54pm

re: #11 sizzzzlerz

I”d like to believe it”s because DeWine has a couple of remaining vestiges of humanity remaining but that can”t be true. We may never know.

I think it’s that DeWine sees the handwriting on the wall with respect to the Republican agenda, and is choosing to try to save face in the hope of keeping Ohio purple for a little bit longer.

nines09 Dec 29, 2023 • 12:28:45pm

Common sight around here anymore. Not cold enough to flood and freeze, no hockey.

Used to freeze in November. Had entire winters where it never got cold enough to skate.

gwangung Dec 29, 2023 • 12:42:49pm

“It’s a patent myth that selling Pride Month merch or pursuing diversity initiatives — two business decisions that are often condemned as “woke” — will result in financial ruin for a brand. Higher profits are the likelier outcome.”

Dangerman Dec 29, 2023 • 12:45:12pm

re: #11 sizzzzlerz

I”d like to believe it”s because DeWine has some vestiges of humanity remaining but that can”t be true. We may never know.

The cynic in me says he’s letting the almost inevitable veto override do the work

Dangerman Dec 29, 2023 • 12:49:33pm

Former Gov. Chris Christie (R) told CNN that Maine’s decision to disqualify Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 primary ballot makes him a “martyr.”

Would that he was martyred by all 50 states

piratedan Dec 29, 2023 • 12:50:50pm

re: #17 Dangerman

I could see him taking his cross, to the mount… in his golf cart…..

Hecuba's daughter Dec 29, 2023 • 12:51:58pm

re: #16 Dangerman

The cynic in me says he’s letting the almost inevitable veto override do the work

But his commentary on his veto was very thoughtful. Sometimes people do learn, but right now Ohio is a very red state. Let’s see if things will change — the Ohio Constitutional amendment will probably keep the state red since the voters will feel they don’t have to worry about choice any longer. Unless Democrats are very good at marketing the “GOP winning in Washington will lead to abortion banned nationwide”.

Joe Bacon ✅ Dec 29, 2023 • 12:55:58pm

Thanks to the DSA and LA Tenants Union going all in with pro-Palestinian demonstrators they alienated enough people on the City Council allowing massive rent increases to pass.

Really appreciate the $100 rent increase folks…

Backwoods Sleuth Dec 29, 2023 • 12:56:01pm

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Charles Johnson Dec 29, 2023 • 12:57:08pm

Greg Sargent is leaving the Washington Post.

I see the news is out: This is my last week at @washingtonpost.com. I was offered a voluntary buyout and I accepted it. My deepest thanks to all the great people at @postopinions.bsky.social and the rest of the paper — it was a privilege and an inspiration to work with all of you. More news soon!

Dangerman Dec 29, 2023 • 1:01:11pm

re: #17 Dangerman

Would that he was martyred by all 50 states

I’m thinking pretty much everyone in prison for breaking the law feels martyred

Nerdy Fish Dec 29, 2023 • 1:08:23pm

re: #23 Dangerman

I’m thinking pretty much everyone in prison for breaking the law feels martyred

There’s something to the martyr argument, but the thing that the media don’t seem to realize is that it only makes him a martyr to his own cult, who think he’s already a martyr anyway. Other people aren’t buying this “martyr” bullshit, and to the extent that he is being singled out, it’s because his first term was so disastrous - and his public agenda for the future is so ominous - that adults are finally taking serious steps to ensure that a second one does not happen, period.

jeffreyw Dec 29, 2023 • 1:20:37pm

Seems to be sound advice:

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retired cynic Dec 29, 2023 • 1:22:55pm

Prof. Timothy Snyder, one of my heroes, says this article by two conservative law professors, is the best he has read about the 14th amendment:

The Sweep and Force of Section Three
University of Pennsylvania Law Review, Vol. 172, Forthcoming
126 Pages Posted: 14 Aug 2023 Last revised: 19 Sep 2023
William Baude (University of Chicago - Law School) and
Michael Stokes Paulsen (University of St. Thomas School of Law)
papers.ssrn.com

Date Written: August 9, 2023
Abstract
Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment forbids holding office by former office holders who then participate in insurrection or rebellion. Because of a range of misperceptions and mistaken assumptions, Section Three’s full legal consequences have not been appreciated or enforced. This article corrects those mistakes by setting forth the full sweep and force of Section Three.

First, Section Three remains an enforceable part of the Constitution, not limited to the Civil War, and not effectively repealed by nineteenth century amnesty legislation. Second, Section Three is self-executing, operating as an immediate disqualification from office, without the need for additional action by Congress. It can and should be enforced by every official, state or federal, who judges qualifications. Third, to the extent of any conflict with prior constitutional rules, Section Three repeals, supersedes, or simply satisfies them. This includes the rules against bills of attainder or ex post facto laws, the Due Process Clause, and even the free speech principles of the First Amendment. Fourth, Section Three covers a broad range of conduct against the authority of the constitutional order, including many instances of indirect participation or support as “aid or comfort.” It covers a broad range of former offices, including the Presidency. And in particular, it disqualifies former President Donald Trump, and potentially many others, because of their participation in the attempted overthrow of the 2020 presidential election.

BeenHereAwhile Dec 29, 2023 • 1:23:47pm

Strawberry Case Study: What if Farmers Had to Pay for Water?

With aquifers nationwide in dangerous decline, one part of California has tried essentially taxing groundwater. New research shows it’s working.

. . , While American farmers elsewhere have watered their crops by freely pumping the groundwater beneath their land, growers in Pajaro must pay hefty fees for irrigation water — making it one of the most expensive places to grow food in the country, if not the world. The cost: Up to $400 per acre-foot, a standard measurement equal to water covering one acre, one foot deep. The fees bring in $12 million a year, which is used to recycle, restore and conserve the region’s groundwater.

(Cadillac desert paying Cadillac price for water)

(no paywall)

nytimes.com

Backwoods Sleuth Dec 29, 2023 • 1:25:55pm

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Dangerman Dec 29, 2023 • 1:26:31pm

re: #24 Nerdy Fish

There’s something to the martyr argument, but the thing that the media don’t seem to realize is that it only makes him a martyr to his own cult, who think he’s already a martyr anyway. Other people aren’t buying this “martyr” bullshit, and to the extent that he is being singled out, it’s because his first term was so disastrous - and his public agenda for the future is so ominous - that adults are finally taking serious steps to ensure that a second one does not happen, period.

He did those things
he’s the first one who did them
The first one ever
Now he’s running for prez again
There are Rules about that.
Rules that werent well examined before now.
Because no one ever did this.
That’s why he’s being “singled out”
He’s a criminal trailblazer

🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Dec 29, 2023 • 1:31:48pm

re: #28 Backwoods Sleuth

My understanding is that there is no “us all” if they stayed in the garden, according to the stories.

Vicious Babushka Dec 29, 2023 • 1:32:00pm

re: #25 jeffreyw

Seems to be sound advice:

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Bolt misplacement caused this disaster:

This Plane Flew 30 Minutes, Prior to its Crash, with No Tail: Air Disasters | Smithsonian Channel

Dangerman Dec 29, 2023 • 1:32:46pm

Trump and his supporters have conjured a series of self-serving rules. Where antique anti-majoritarian devices work for them, the antique anti-majoritarian devices prevail. Where crude gaming of filibusters and gerrymandering works for them, the crude gaming must prevail. Where fraud and violence work for them, fraud and violence must prevail. And where invoking democratic ideas works for them—well, you can complete the sentence.”

Link

Nerdy Fish Dec 29, 2023 • 1:33:39pm

re: #30 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

My understanding is that there is no “us all” if they stayed in the garden, according to the stories.

God told Adam and Eve to “be fruitful and multiply,” so there may well have been an “us all”. It would’ve gotten pretty crowded in the garden, though.

🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Dec 29, 2023 • 1:36:13pm

re: #33 Nerdy Fish

God told Adam and Eve to “be fruitful and multiply,” so there may well have been an “us all”. It would’ve gotten pretty crowded in the garden, though.

One of their kids would have gone for the apple for sure, especially if told not to, so a short-term problem.

Dangerman Dec 29, 2023 • 1:36:22pm

Kinzinger adds his voice to the “yeah, trump stinks”

BeachDem Dec 29, 2023 • 1:36:35pm

re: #19 Hecuba’s daughter

But his commentary on his veto was very thoughtful. Sometimes people do learn, but right now Ohio is a very red state. Let’s see if things will change — the Ohio Constitutional amendment will probably keep the state red since the voters will feel they don’t have to worry about choice any longer. Unless Democrats are very good at marketing the “GOP winning in Washington will lead to abortion banned nationwide”.

Let’s hope you’re wrong at least in part, because we really need to keep Sherrod Brown in the senate.

And, by the way, DeWine is just as creepy and dishonest as the rest of them.

Under Mike DeWine, Ohio is making headlines for being named the #1 state in the country when it comes to public corruption thanks to a $61 million bribery scandal…
On Republican Gov. Mike DeWine’s watch, FBI investigators are saying this scandal is “in a league of its own” in terms of the size and scope of the corruption. DeWine’s connections to the scandal run deep, and many of his top administration officials are tied to it.

The actors who paid millions to Republican legislators for a massive bailout bill that Ohioans paid for are the same ones who bankrolled DeWine’s campaign, spending at least $1 million in dark money contributions to get him elected. DeWine also surrounded himself with corrupt lobbyists who are now under FBI investigation. He appointed them to top positions in his administration even against the advice of his own party.

democraticgovernors.org

The Bribery Bunch

Last year:

In November, Republican Justice Sharon Kennedy was elected to replace O’Connor as chief justice, leaving Kennedy’s open justice seat to be filled by Ohio Republican Gov. Mike DeWine. With hundreds of qualified, respectable judges that DeWine could have selected to fill the vacancy, DeWine instead chose to appoint a decades-long family friend who has expressed extremist positions as Hamilton County prosecutor; seems to have done an eye-popping favor at an extremely sensitive time for Gov. DeWine’s son, Justice Pat DeWine; and has zero judicial experience: Joe Deters.

ohiocapitaljournal.com

I could go on, but you get the general picture…

Eventual Carrion Dec 29, 2023 • 1:37:29pm

re: #16 Dangerman

The cynic in me says he’s letting the almost inevitable veto override do the work

That’s what I commented at the end of the last thread. I don’t trust him at all.

Teukka Dec 29, 2023 • 1:37:50pm

re: #31 Vicious Babushka

Bolt misplacement caused this disaster:

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*shudders* The JL123 / JAL123 disaster. Out of 524 souls on board, only 4 survived…

Dangerman Dec 29, 2023 • 1:39:29pm

re: #34 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

One of their kids would have gone for the apple for sure, especially if told not to, so a short-term problem.

god set it all up to fail.
“The fall” was inevitable.

darthstar Dec 29, 2023 • 1:40:29pm

Latest addition to the groove pit… Kenwood amplifier, Sony 5 disc carousel, and Philips high fidelity 3 way speakers (75 watt)… Plenty of volume and clear sound. $105.

Needs deeper shelves or a cabinet.

🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Dec 29, 2023 • 1:40:48pm

re: #39 Dangerman

god set it all up to fail.
“The fall” was inevitable.

Even if you don’t consider omniscience.

Backwoods Sleuth Dec 29, 2023 • 1:43:57pm

re: #36 BeachDem

Joe Deters is a real piece of yucky work

Unabogie Dec 29, 2023 • 1:48:07pm

re: #32 Dangerman

Link

Archive link:

web.archive.org

Backwoods Sleuth Dec 29, 2023 • 1:50:56pm

re: #42 Backwoods Sleuth

Joe Deters is a real piece of yucky work

Gov. DeWine’s mistaken choice of Joe Deters for the Ohio Supreme Court: editorial

In naming Deters — a longtime friend of the governor’s son, Justice Pat DeWine — Gov. DeWine called Deters a “well-respected public servant who is known for his legal intellect, reverence for the rule of law, and his accessibility.”

Some might differ with that assessment, given Deters’ political past, which included stepping down as Ohio’s treasurer of state in 2004 after two key associates pleaded guilty in pay-to-play scandals at the treasurer’s office and in Hamilton County, where Deters chaired the county GOP from 1999-2001.

Equally troubling are the apparent “you-scratch-my-back, I’ll-scratch-yours” ties between Deters and Pat DeWine. The Cincinnati Enquirer recently highlighted two key ones:

In 2017, Justice DeWine asked Deters to give the justice’s son a paid six-week internship. Deters did.

Later, in 2019, Deters gave DeWine’s senior staff attorney, Mary Stier, a $100,000 job as an assistant prosecuting attorney handling appellate work, shortly before Justice DeWine’s wife filed for divorce, alleging adultery. Stier and Justice DeWine are now in an acknowledged relationship, the Enquirer reports.

Belafon Dec 29, 2023 • 1:53:18pm

Mike DeWine does one good thing, and we immediately start into fights about how bad he is, and yet no one is fighting against you. He did ONE good thing.

Backwoods Sleuth Dec 29, 2023 • 1:55:25pm

re: #45 Belafon

Mike DeWine does one good thing, and we immediately start into fights about how bad he is, and yet no one is fighting against you. He did ONE good thing.

DeWine did one good thing and you can be certain he didn’t do it because it was the right thing to do…he did it because there is something in it for him. No other reason.

austin_blue Dec 29, 2023 • 1:57:28pm

re: #33 Nerdy Fish

God told Adam and Eve to “be fruitful and multiply,” so there may well have been an “us all”. It would’ve gotten pretty crowded in the garden, though.

Not if Eden were a Tardis.

BeachDem Dec 29, 2023 • 2:00:37pm

re: #46 Backwoods Sleuth

DeWine did one good thing and you can be certain he didn’t do it because it was the right thing to do…he did it because there is something in it for him. No other reason.

And he does not deserve any benefit of doubt. Much like Nikki Haley and the
flag, and John Kasich and—well, everything (he is NOT a moderate), if you give these creeps an inch, they’ll take a mile.

Backwoods Sleuth Dec 29, 2023 • 2:04:29pm

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Dec 29, 2023 • 2:05:17pm

re: #27 BeenHereAwhile

Turning a desert into a verdant field has always been, and will always be, an expensive endeavor.

With now 8.1 billion of us now all fighting for space on this planet, of which only around 10% of the surface is actually habitable for sustaining a human settlement, the price of not just water is going to go up, up, and up some more.

PhillyPretzel ✅ Dec 29, 2023 • 2:07:26pm

re: #49 Backwoods Sleuth

Wow. A cat photobomb from a century ago. Those darn cats and we love them for it.

🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Dec 29, 2023 • 2:08:08pm

re: #49 Backwoods Sleuth

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Post a picture of a dead baby, and you’re probably in trouble here, but post a picture of a baby that has died and you’re fine.

FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips Dec 29, 2023 • 2:21:54pm

re: #25 jeffreyw

Seems to be sound advice:

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re: #31 Vicious Babushka

Bolt misplacement caused this disaster:

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If I recall correctly (without watching the video) wasn’t that “bolt” relatively the size of a human being?
I haven’t read anything on Boeing’s “missing nut”, and while concerning, the lack flashing red lights and grounding notices this seems to be less severe

Backwoods Sleuth Dec 29, 2023 • 2:26:58pm

JFC

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Backwoods Sleuth Dec 29, 2023 • 2:31:37pm

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Nerdy Fish Dec 29, 2023 • 2:32:34pm

re: #54 Backwoods Sleuth

JFC

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The insurrection is coming from inside the House…

Backwoods Sleuth Dec 29, 2023 • 2:32:41pm

re: #55 Backwoods Sleuth

from the link:

Explanation: Single shots like this require planning. The first step is to realize that such an amazing triple-alignment actually takes place. The second step is to find the best location to photograph it. But it was the third step: being there at exactly the right time — and when the sky was clear — that was the hardest. Five times over six years the photographer tried and found bad weather. Finally, just ten days ago, the weather was perfect, and a photographic dream was realized. Taken in Piemonte, Italy, the cathedral in the foreground is the Basilica of Superga, the mountain in the middle is Monviso, and, well, you know which moon is in the background. Here, even though the setting Moon was captured in a crescent phase, the exposure was long enough for doubly reflected Earthlight, called the da Vinci glow, to illuminate the entire top of the Moon.

Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅ Dec 29, 2023 • 2:35:11pm

re: #39 Dangerman

Omniscience dies that.

Dangerman Dec 29, 2023 • 2:36:16pm

Dangerman Dec 29, 2023 • 2:37:32pm

re: #54 Backwoods Sleuth

JFC

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Warn away Tom.
Now sit down and shaddup.

Hecuba's daughter Dec 29, 2023 • 2:40:14pm

re: #36 BeachDem

Let’s hope you’re wrong at least in part, because we really need to keep Sherrod Brown in the senate.

And, by the way, DeWine is just as creepy and dishonest as the rest of them.

…….

democraticgovernors.org

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I could go on, but you get the general picture…

Here’s hoping that Sherrod pulls it out but the state has become redder over time. Their selection of J.D. Vance bodes ill for the future. Too many Americans have drifted into the Trump cult or the GOP ideology even before Trump. Under Obama, Ohio did vote blue for President. But not in 2000, 2004, 2016, 2020. Let’s see if somehow they will pull themselves out from the red pit.

BeachDem Dec 29, 2023 • 2:42:03pm

re: #54 Backwoods Sleuth

JFC

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And speaking of pieces of yucky work…

lizardofid Dec 29, 2023 • 2:46:12pm

Afternoon evening everyone.

When we moved over to our current house in 1986, along with everything else we brought three of these. We put one in the overhead fixture in the garage, and two were in our bedside lamps. The one in the garage died about 10 years ago. Last night, the one on my wife’s side finally gave up, leaving only the one on my side. I can’t remember how long they were in use in the old house.

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BeachDem Dec 29, 2023 • 2:50:47pm

re: #61 Hecuba’s daughter

Here’s hoping that Sherrod pulls it out but the state has become redder over time. Their selection of J.D. Vance bodes ill for the future. Too many Americans have drifted into the Trump cult or the GOP ideology even before Trump. Under Obama, Ohio did vote blue for President. But not in 2000, 2004, 2016, 2020. Let’s see if somehow they will pull themselves out from the red pit.

Brown is well-liked in Ohio. In 2018, he won 9 of 16 congressional districts, including 5 that elected Republicans to the House. Not saying it won’t be scary, but I’m hoping trhere are enough sane people left in the state to keep him.

nines09 Dec 29, 2023 • 2:56:00pm

re: #54 Backwoods Sleuth

Like you did Nazi this coming…..

FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n 😷 Trips Dec 29, 2023 • 2:56:25pm

You know this article was hard for the NY Post to publish

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Backwoods Sleuth Dec 29, 2023 • 2:57:13pm

re: #56 Nerdy Fish

Massie is such a moron. So many things wrong with what is is asserting.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 29, 2023 • 2:59:23pm

re: #61 Hecuba’s daughter

Only five of Ohio’s 15 voting districts are Democratic, while the overall difference in votes is only around 5%

🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈 Dec 29, 2023 • 3:02:05pm

re: #67 Backwoods Sleuth

Massie is such a moron. So many things wrong with what is is asserting.

It’s the fuzzy alien brain slug talking, same as with Rand Paul.

Backwoods Sleuth Dec 29, 2023 • 3:22:21pm

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nines09 Dec 29, 2023 • 3:23:24pm

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Nerdy Fish Dec 29, 2023 • 3:31:23pm

re: #71 nines09

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nines09 Dec 29, 2023 • 3:35:25pm

re: #72 Nerdy Fish

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austin_blue Dec 29, 2023 • 3:44:02pm

re: #63 lizardofid

Afternoon evening everyone.

When we moved over to our current house in 1986, along with everything else we brought three of these. We put one in the overhead fixture in the garage, and two were in our bedside lamps. The one in the garage died about 10 years ago. Last night, the one on my wife’s side finally gave up, leaving only the one on my side. I can’t remember how long they were in use in the old house.

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Is that a fluorescent ring lamp?

If so, there may be a ballast at the base. If so, it might/could be replaced and that will give you another 38 years of cheap-ass light.

nines09 Dec 29, 2023 • 3:57:33pm

Guess I’m just getting misty…..and old….Winter Solstice pulls at me in some ways I cannot explain.

Going to take care of some biz. You be good, if not, be very good at bad.

re: #71 nines09

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Ace Rothstein Dec 29, 2023 • 4:03:34pm

re: #1 Dangerman

Imagine if tfg was president

No.

darthstar Dec 29, 2023 • 4:05:05pm

Guess who’s headed to the poor house.

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Ace Rothstein Dec 29, 2023 • 4:05:12pm

re: #25 jeffreyw

Seems to be sound advice:

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“Urges” should read “demands”.

HRH Stanley Sea Dec 29, 2023 • 4:06:09pm

re: #75 nines09

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Joe Bacon ✅ Dec 29, 2023 • 4:08:38pm

Times Square is boring on New Years Eve.

Instead I’ll watch the camera on the balcony of New Orleans Cat’s Meow Karaoke Bar!

earthcam.com

PhillyPretzel ✅ Dec 29, 2023 • 4:11:28pm

re: #80 Joe Bacon ✅

I will take your word for it. I got an ad for adobe acrobat.

darthstar Dec 29, 2023 • 4:11:50pm

re: #80 Joe Bacon ✅

Times Square is boring on New Years Eve.

Instead I’ll watch the camera on the balcony of New Orleans Cat’s Meow Karaoke Bar!

earthcam.com

We’ll probably watch an episode of Tulsa King and go to bed around nine o’clock.

Backwoods Sleuth Dec 29, 2023 • 4:14:53pm

re: #77 darthstar

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nines09 Dec 29, 2023 • 4:15:38pm

re: #79 HRH Stanley Sea

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jeffreyw Dec 29, 2023 • 4:16:01pm

re: #78 Ace Rothstein

“Urges” should read “demands”.

I’ve no quarrel with your take but it would not be advice, then.

Dave In Austin Dec 29, 2023 • 4:16:52pm

re: #82 darthstar

We’ll probably watch an episode of Tulsa King and go to bed around nine o’clock.

Here Here!! Same
Only to awaken at midnight to the sound of a full fledged firefight out here in the “Holler”.

darthstar Dec 29, 2023 • 4:21:14pm

re: #83 Backwoods Sleuth

Aw…he lost Ty? Oh well.

darthstar Dec 29, 2023 • 4:44:11pm

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danarchy Dec 29, 2023 • 4:54:10pm

re: #78 Ace Rothstein

“Urges” should read “demands”.

Well once they have sold the plane they have no right to demand. The FAA would need to do that. It’s like a car company sending a recall, if you choose not to bring your car in they can’t force the issue.

wrenchwench Dec 29, 2023 • 5:08:05pm

Day before yesterday, I was out on my bike and I heard a couple on the sidewalk talking about a rainbow, and I could tell where they were looking, so I saw a rainbow. Today I was out on my bike, and I saw a heron (probably a Great Blue). I watched where it was going, because it was descending, but it landed in a back yard or the next block.

ipsos Dec 29, 2023 • 5:10:10pm

re: #71 nines09

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wrenchwench Dec 29, 2023 • 5:11:51pm

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ipsos Dec 29, 2023 • 5:15:23pm

re: #48 BeachDem

And he does not deserve any benefit of doubt. Much like Nikki Haley and the
flag, and John Kasich and—well, everything (he is NOT a moderate), if you give these creeps an inch, they’ll take a mile.

I was driving through Cleveland on the way home tonight listening to the NPR station there, and they supplied an important piece of context: while announcing the veto, DeWine also made a point of saying he’s opposed to any gender reassignment surgery for anyone under 18 and will issue an executive order banning it.

So, yeah, my approval of this one veto is tinged with a lot of skepticism about DeWine’s other positions and motivations.

teleskiguy Dec 29, 2023 • 5:15:29pm

End-of-year inventory took place at the ski binding factory today.

Counted every screw on hand, every part, every little shaft.

Romantic Heretic Dec 29, 2023 • 5:17:47pm

re: #69 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

It’s the fuzzy alien brain slug talking, same as with Rand Paul.

Is that what that is? I thought it was the Rogaine™ talking.

Charles Johnson Dec 29, 2023 • 5:21:02pm

re: #71 nines09

A post worth a million updings.

darthstar Dec 29, 2023 • 5:22:18pm

re: #94 teleskiguy

End-of-year inventory took place at the ski binding factory today.

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Counted every screw on hand, every part, every little shaft.

If you count your shaft more than three times you’re playing with it.

nines09 Dec 29, 2023 • 5:45:35pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

A post worth a million updings.

You’re very kind Charles.
Thank you.

lizardofid Dec 30, 2023 • 8:10:56am

re: #74 austin_blue

Is that a fluorescent ring lamp?

If so, there may be a ballast at the base. If so, it might/could be replaced and that will give you another 38 years of cheap-ass light.

You’re exactly right, been looking on the interwebs. So far, no luck.

Spy Auto

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