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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jan 28, 2024 • 10:59:51am

CLed (pbuh) on the last thread. Stolen from the bird site.

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A Cranky One  Jan 28, 2024 • 11:03:24am

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 28, 2024 • 11:05:25am

re: #450 Hecuba’s daughter

It came down to the GOP voters thinking of Trump as someone new and exciting, while the rest of candidates were the same old boring stuff. Ted Cruz was viewed as an unlikable liar. Given that the Republican mantra was that America should be run like a business and given the years-long success of The Apprentice, it’s not surprising how 2016 Republican primaries turned out. Trump is a showman and he gave the voters a show. The press, as usually happens, totally failed the country in the general election — as did the FBI director, who more than anyone (except Putin) may have been responsible for Hillary losing.

For sure.

But the embrace of Trump by so many really is the most obvious sign that the entire right wing, the religious right in particular but also the (tiny in number) secular right, are at an end ideologically.

They have two ways to turn: 1) abandon their atavism for the 21st century, or 2) dive headlong into fascism (layered with “libertarian” and techno cosmetics to cover up the true beliefs.)

There is no way to go from creationism other than an ideological crisis.

There is no way to go from Manifest Destiny, other than an ideological crisis.

There is no way to go from Free-Market-as-Savior other than an ideological crisis.

When one is stuck in the trap of thinking you are the truth, the true truth, and the only truth, then anything that might confront you as data to the contrary cannot be accepted.

Fluidity of beliefs is often derided (by absolutists) as that dreaded word: compromise.

But as I have repeated over and over: life is about compromise.

That’s true at a cellular level as it is for an organism composed of a trillion cells, as it is for a society composed of billions of individuals.

The 21st century will not play the old American right wing rules.

This is why China scares them - not the specific actions of the CCP that may be horrible on some people, but the mere existential threat that someone else is being more successful than manifest-destiny Christian America.

So yes, atavists flock to Trump because they are trying to escape the real world.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 28, 2024 • 11:11:25am

DR Koncerthuset the past few days have been posting some great takes from the past couple of years of their concerts.

Here they post one of my favorite Sviridov pieces, “Sacred Love”, a piece from Sviridov music to accompany Tolstoy’s play Tsar Feodor Ivanovich:

Sacred Love // Danish National Vocal Ensemble (Live)

..

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2024 • 11:12:32am
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A Cranky One  Jan 28, 2024 • 11:21:18am

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 28, 2024 • 11:30:02am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2024 • 11:47:27am

When he defames you, they let you do it.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 28, 2024 • 11:54:53am

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

[Embedded content]

When he defames you, they let you do it.

And I just can’t help myself, I just start suing him. Grab him by the wallet.

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jeffreyw  Jan 28, 2024 • 11:55:41am

Mastodon

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Jay C  Jan 28, 2024 • 11:55:59am

from below

re: #450 Hecuba’s daughter

It came down to the GOP voters thinking of Trump as someone new and exciting, while the rest of candidates were the same old boring stuff. Ted Cruz was viewed as an unlikable liar. Given that the Republican mantra was that America should be run like a business and given the years-long success of The Apprentice, it’s not surprising how 2016 Republican primaries turned out. Trump is a showman and he gave the voters a show. The press, as usually happens, totally failed the country in the general election — as did the FBI director, who more than anyone (except Putin) may have been responsible for Hillary losing.

Oh, they’re still at it: see #446 Joe Bacon ✅

Though it was probably *politic* of Newsom not to say so, I’m sure a non-trivial portion of those negative approval ratings for President Biden are due, in no small part, to the obsessively negative coverage his Administration has gotten/still gets from most of the “mainstream” media (never minding the relentless smears and hysterical hype from RW media); Karl’s pushing of the “approval ratings” crap is just typical - even if the question is valid one.

Then again, my answer would have been to point out the only place where “approval” really matters is at the voting booth…

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Backwoods Sleuth  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:00:34pm

last night’s supper:

chicken thighs with blood orange glaze

foxeslovelemons.com

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Randall Gross  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:03:53pm
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CleverToad  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:18:16pm

re: #12 Backwoods Sleuth

last night’s supper:

[Embedded content]

foxeslovelemons.com

Ooh, another one to try!
That makes two good LGF chicken recipes today

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retired cynic  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:21:32pm

re: #11 Jay C

Sure, Trump and Biden are old. The similarities end there.
By E.J. Dionne Jr.

The most convenient political habit of the moment is to natter on about how both President Biden and Donald Trump are unpopular and old and how Americans long for some new and energetic candidate (identity to be disclosed later).
This above-the-battle, “woe is us” posture makes those who adopt it look tough-minded, independent and clear-eyed. It puts Biden and Trump on the same level and then compares both with someone who doesn’t yet exist. Never mind that it’s far easier to imagine the perfect candidate than to find one.
This might be harmless if Biden and Trump really were equivalent, but nothing could be further from the truth.

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jeffreyw  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:23:58pm

Mastodon

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:25:25pm

re: #16 jeffreyw

I wonder where that is.

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CleverToad  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:27:53pm

Kicked back in our recliners for an afternoon of sportsball.
Spousal unit just took his gummy; I have my hazelnut coffee.
Stack of financial papers on the table if I feel like sitting up and dealing with it during the games, otherwise I might just push it aside and do one of the jigsaw puzzles I got for Christmas.
Would ordinarily be rooting for the purple guys, but half-hoping the red ones win just to watch all the splodey heads.

It’s Sunday, there shouldn’t be any major political news, right…?

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:29:09pm

Including Boebert, there are 9 Republicans running for CO-4:

As expected, Boebert faced sharp questions about her decision to move into a new congressional district to escape a rematch with Frisch.

“Could you give the definition of carpetbagger?” Lynch asked Boebert.

Boebert said she is proud to be Weld County’s “newest resident.”

“My boys and I needed a fresh start. That’s been very public of what home life looked like,” she said.

Arrest Records Draw Crowd Laughter

Six of the nine candidates on Thursday raised their hand in response to a question of whether they have been arrested at some point.

That included Boebert, Holtorf, Leisy, Lynch, Phelan and Sonnenberg.

newsfromthestates.com

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:31:26pm
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Nerdy Fish  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:38:16pm

re: #20 Belafon

AkivaMCohen @akivamcohen.bsky.social
*
10m
Reply to Screaming into the Void
Yes, but knowing about the exoneration and believing the exoneration was correct are two conceptually different things; Kirk’s position would likely be “I believe his original confession and think the court got it wrong when it believed a jailhouse confession from one of the five’s new friends”

bsky.app

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:40:43pm

re: #17 Belafon

Helmcken Falls, B.C.
en.wikipedia.org

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jeffreyw  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:44:05pm

re: #17 Belafon

I wonder where that is.

British Columbia - Helmcken Falls right in the middle of Wells Gray Provincial Park. per comments via TinEye search

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Dangerman  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:52:27pm
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retired cynic  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:53:56pm

re: #16 jeffreyw

Now THAT is hard water!

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Dangerman  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:54:32pm

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jeffreyw  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:58:01pm

teleskiguy bait:

Mastodon

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2024 • 12:59:30pm

Pelosi urges FBI probe of Gaza ceasefire protests in US, suggests Russia links

Obviously a very dumb thing for Nancy Pelosi to say in the current context.

But I do want to point out that it’s not necessarily a “conspiracy theory” to be wary of clandestine Russian propaganda intended to exacerbate US tensions during a vital presidential election. They absolutely do this shit.

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Dangerman  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:01:31pm
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Belafon  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:01:38pm

The Baltimore quarterback just caught his own deflected pass.

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Nerdy Fish  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:11:19pm

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jeffreyw  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:12:00pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:15:52pm

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:18:33pm

Alabama GOP 💙 Child Labor!

mailchi.mp

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:27:32pm

Moldy oldie:

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:28:40pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

lol
Cute little kitty.

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TedStriker  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:30:12pm

re: #32 jeffreyw

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post.news

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No Malarkey!  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:31:21pm

Illinois election board to decide if Trump is barred for insurrection

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:35:49pm

re: #31 Nerdy Fish

Well done, NBC. You didn’t explain shit about just how fucking bad that was. Fucking amazing.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:38:32pm

Can you even imagine how the media would’ve reacted if Dr. Feelgood was passing out pills like M&M’s in an Obama White House?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:40:27pm

re: #40 Ace Rothstein

Can you even imagine how the media would’ve reacted if Dr. Feelgood was passing out pills like M&M’s in an Obama White House?

It’s terrifying that jerk was allowed anywhere near Obama.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:42:36pm

re: #39 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Well done, NBC. You didn’t explain shit about just how fucking bad that was. Fucking amazing.

Actually, I’m quite impressed by how they managed to not say the Trump administration.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:44:12pm

Models are showing another major rain event for SoCal, during the first week of Feb, from late on the 1st through the 6th.

Prepare!

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Nerdy Fish  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:44:31pm

re: #42 Belafon

Actually, I’m quite impressed by how they managed to not say the Trump administration.

“Before the Biden administration.” Yeah, and what came before the Biden administration, motherfuckers?

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:44:43pm

re: #40 Ace Rothstein

Can you even imagine how the media would’ve reacted if Dr. Feelgood was passing out pills like M&M’s in an Obama White House?

As I’ve said before the CCCP is All In For Trump

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:45:59pm
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(((Archangel1)))  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:46:23pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:46:39pm

Last weeks rain in San Diego County cause lots of local flooding.

The rail line that carries the Orange Line trolley was destroyed in the middle of the route.

Cars were destroyed in Mission Valley.

Various areas around the county had local flooding that damaged stores.

Models are indicating that next week parts of SoCal could get another 5” over a few days.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 28, 2024 • 1:49:56pm

re: #42 Belafon

Actually, I’m quite impressed by how they managed to not say the Trump administration.

The way that reads, trump was taking care of people whether he should have or not. (Awww! See how kind he is?)

The rot in our media is vast.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:00:30pm

Is this sentiment the type that could get me banned here?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:05:48pm

re: #40 Ace Rothstein

Can you even imagine how the media would’ve reacted if Dr. Feelgood was passing out pills like M&M’s in an Obama White House?

Well, they were ready to pike Biden for that little bit of cocaine.

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KingKenrod  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:07:22pm

re: #50 Hecuba’s daughter

QlZXUWlTcEdiYTVQMVlNNmpZN2pYRys0RjlwSlA2ODNaV1RUMkF5bHhKNXJmKy90d2s2N1M4VWVKUU85YjltcldiaUMwbzEzSlNCYjYyWTBYWk1GY2Q3SVBaSDF2NlRPd2Y3MlMzdE1QRWlLZmNYc21EcTl4Ukd1ZURjQkppTnhEZFdLZzZYY3lRWVRFT2c3WGlIZ1hvek1TVUFVMEdCdXlOeEUwdUYwWXYweVUwWFRJOTRYc05jNEtQaXlSZ1BQb21ONkNzRXp2NjFBWVRXQzg2WkNVNjJEMEl0SW1NMk92clNwRXJJN1V3VnpVMG54REFWeU5HbmpMWHZ2YUJicy9YWVp3Vk1tZnR3akt5UlNYbXJOQ2o2bEVOZ2ZweEF5UFpyUDVWODBVbmM9Ojpyns06+uTvDFgCkNEmwJyN

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TedStriker  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:12:59pm

re: #50 Hecuba’s daughter

Is this sentiment the type that could get me banned here?

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Dangerman  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:23:30pm

Link

Said Haley: “I think that they made their decision based on the evidence.”

“What stands out about Haley’s remarks is not just that it’s a Republican taking on Trump over sexual misconduct, something that’s almost unheard of since he survived the Access Hollywood tape in 2016. It’s that a top rival is actually addressing the core argument of Trump’s candidacy: That he is the target of a vast conspiracy that stole the last election and is targeting him now in order to steal the next one.”

“These twin premises, which Trump has spent years working to build up and maintain, have made it virtually impossible to attack him. ‘Electability’ is not an effective angle when losses are not considered legitimate.”

she’s going all in

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Dangerman  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:23:38pm

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:25:18pm

re: #55 Dangerman

“We listen to what’s in his heart!”

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Jay C  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:29:41pm

eldroW:

JUST made it today…
Wordle 953 6/6

⬜⬜🟨⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬜🟩🟩
⬜⬜⬜🟩🟩
⬜⬜⬜🟩🟩
⬜⬜🟨🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:33:08pm

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“We listen to what’s in his heart!”

And what he says out loud.

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:34:45pm

11:24 am tweet/x/whatever

MARGARET BRENNAN: Trump was ordered to pay $83m to a person that a jury found he defamed after a separate jury found he sexually assaulted her. Does it give you any pause about him returning to office?

SEN. JAMES LANKFORD: It doesn’t

So he’s a total trumpfanboi.

11:28 am tweet/x/whatever

The Oklahoma Republican party passed a “censure” resolution condemning their GOP Sen. James Lankford for the “crime” of ignoring Trump’s orders and working with Democrats on a bill that would dramatically increase security at the border:

“Until Senator Lankford ceases from these actions, the Oklahoma Republican Party will cease all support for him,” the resolution states

Another pleasant valley Sunday
Here in status symbol land

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:37:56pm

re: #59 BeachDem

Yet another reason to stay out of Oklahoma

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:38:47pm

re: #54 Dangerman

Link

she’s going all in

Give her a day or two (or a few minutes)—she’ll change her mind.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:42:35pm

re: #54 Dangerman

Repeating myself: the deep pockets have picked Haley.

They are playing for the long term.

Who’s in the White House come Jan 2025 is not as important as controlling the Senate, the House, and all the State offices.

Trump is bad for business, and the Trumping GOP is undermining any ability for them to govern.

The deep pockets know that. They can survive quite well with another 4 years with Biden as President, because they will just try to make sure that in 2026 at least the Senate or House is in (R) control.

Trump is corroding the GOP from the inside.

That’s all he’s ever done. He’s a taker, an abuser.

And he’s abusing the Republican party.

The deep pockets know that.

Only the masses of bitter, old Americans are enough of marks to fall for Trump.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:43:01pm

re: #61 BeachDem

Give her a day or two (or a few minutes)—she’ll change her mind.

[Embedded content]

She might stick it out till the South Carolina primary. Possibly?

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:43:12pm

re: #61 BeachDem

Give her a day or two (or a few minutes)—she’ll change her mind.

[Embedded content]

She will 100% endorse him after she drops out.

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sizzzzlerz  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:51:09pm

Fat lady is warming up in Baltimore. KC hanging on to 17-7 score with 6:45 left

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jeffreyw  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:53:44pm

I’ve found my new hood ornament.

Mastodon

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:54:31pm

re: #63 Hecuba’s daughter

She might stick it out till the South Carolina primary. Possibly?

Sure she will, but that wasn’t the question.

And I really hope she’s as humiliated here in her home state as I think she will be—sad to say, this is Trump country.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:55:05pm

Does this mean Tucker Carlson is gonna off himself like he promised?

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:55:42pm

re: #68 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

We should be that lucky.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 28, 2024 • 2:58:42pm

re: #65 sizzzzlerz

Dang! I was hoping for a Ravens win. Dang it!! Hopefully Detroit can pull off a win.

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jeffreyw  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:02:08pm

Scott Barolo @sbarolo.bsky.social
*
1h
R.F. Kuang’s BABEL, infamously excluded from this year’s Hugos, is currently $1.99 USD on Kindle

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sizzzzlerz  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:02:10pm

re: #70 Patricia Kayden

Dang! I was hoping for a Ravens win. Dang it!! Hopefully Detroit can pull off a win.

Still a chance. Ravens field goal makes it 17-10 with 2:34

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Dangerman  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:05:20pm
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Dangerman  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:07:01pm

re: #62 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Repeating myself: the deep pockets have picked Haley.

They are playing for the long term.

Who’s in the White House come Jan 2025 is not as important as controlling the Senate, the House, and all the State offices.

Trump is bad for business, and the Trumping GOP is undermining any ability for them to govern.

The deep pockets know that. They can survive quite well with another 4 years with Biden as President, because they will just try to make sure that in 2026 at least the Senate or House is in (R) control.

Trump is corroding the GOP from the inside.

That’s all he’s ever done. He’s a taker, an abuser.

And he’s abusing the Republican party.

The deep pockets know that.

Only the masses of bitter, old Americans are enough of marks to fall for Trump.

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Dangerman  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:09:29pm

he’s a sleaze but he’s holding the line on this

oh and thanks fox for demonstrating ‘fair and balanced’ //

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Dangerman  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:10:54pm

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Dangerman  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:12:27pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:13:47pm

re: #75 Dangerman

he’s a sleaze but he’s holding the line on this

[Embedded content]

oh and thanks fox for demonstrating ‘fair and balanced’ //

Good for him. Hope there are sufficient Republicans who retain some modicum of loyalty to the United States to pass this legislation.

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darthstar  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:14:52pm

Looks like Taylor Swift is going to Vegas.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:16:11pm

re: #48 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Last weeks rain in San Diego County cause lots of local flooding.

The rail line that carries the Orange Line trolley was destroyed in the middle of the route.

Cars were destroyed in Mission Valley.

Various areas around the county had local flooding that damaged stores.

Models are indicating that next week parts of SoCal could get another 5” over a few days.

And it got up to 80 outside my apartment in Mid Los Angeles today…

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:17:15pm

re: #79 darthstar

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:18:39pm

re: #79 darthstar

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:22:48pm

re: #62 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Repeating myself: the deep pockets have picked Haley.

… Only the masses of bitter, old Americans are enough of marks to fall for Trump.

I’ve buried three of my voter registration volunteers this year.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:22:58pm

re: #81 PhillyPretzel ✅

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas*.

* Except in the case of fucker tarlson who promised to kill himself.

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Captain Ron  Jan 28, 2024 • 3:25:00pm
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Jesguire  Jan 30, 2024 • 12:18:33am

As soon as possible, everyone in Europe should surrender whatever Russian equipment they may own. Getting components for such junk is completely out of the question. Allow Ukraine to use it till it dies; that’s the best course of action.

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wrenchwench  Jan 30, 2024 • 12:48:08am

re: #86 Jesguire

Welcome, hatchling.


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