Lawrence - Guy I Used To Be (acoustic-ish)

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Gracie and Clyde and their hot band are back with another mostly acoustic version of a new song, tearing it up as usual.

Come see us on tour: https://lawrencetheband.com/tour

Stream “Guy I Used To Be” now!!!!! https://stem.ffm.to/lawrenceguyiusedtobe

Arranged by Clyde Lawrence
Directed by Gracie Lawrence & Clyde Lawrence
Director of Photography: Leo Gallagher
Edited by Leo Gallagher
Recorded at Cove City Sound Studios
Engineered by John Arbuckle
Assistant Engineer: Mike Wozniak
Mixed & Mastered by Jonny Koh
Video Produced by Gracie Lawrence & Clyde Lawrence
Special Thanks to Richie Cannata & Arianna Zaidenweber

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Jordan Cohen @saxmachine819 of @lawrencetheband
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darthstar  Apr 28, 2024 • 10:55:46am

Mastodon

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Belafon  Apr 28, 2024 • 10:58:14am

Bringing this over:

Someone made a game based on Fallout that runs inside Excel:

storyteller-blog.com

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 28, 2024 • 10:58:29am

Mastodon

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jaunte  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:00:04am

Awesome.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:05:49am

re: #4 Patricia Kayden

“Half of the 94 were black.”

Honestly expected that number to be higher.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:07:50am

Of course she would fucking double down on this.

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darthstar  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:09:51am

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:12:49am

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KingKenrod  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:14:26am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Of course she would fucking double down on this.

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Horrible person

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:14:37am

re: #9 Eventual Carrion

Those two look like turkeys to me.

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Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:15:36am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Of course she would fucking double down on this.

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I find the odds that her political advisors looked at what she wrote, saw the public response to such, and told her to just keep digging to be…remote.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:18:52am

re: #11 PhillyPretzel ✅

Those two look like turkeys to me.

That’s hummingbird, phase 1. When it reaches sufficient blood sugar levels most of the mass burns away and hummingbird, phase 2 begins.

Nobody’s reached hummingbird phase 3 yet.

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Dangerman  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:20:50am

re: #11 PhillyPretzel ✅

Those two look like turkeys to me.

That’s awfully judgmental

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Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:22:39am

The truly sick reality of the whole Noem situation is the double-edged sword that is modern GQP politics says if she tries to show any sort of humility and admit that the entire situation is fucked-up (either shooting Cricket or admitting such 20 years later), then she will be branded as “weak” in the eyes of her party and her career truly will be over. Her only real option left is to just keep insisting that what she did was because she’s a “tough frontier-type” and eventually the faithful will get over their initial squeamishness of her actions and go back to defending her.

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Vicious Babushka  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:23:01am

Mastodon

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:24:13am

re: #16 Vicious Babushka

That looks very nice. I like the dark turquoise color.

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Vicious Babushka  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:26:02am

re: #17 PhillyPretzel ✅

That looks very nice.

A gift for my DIL, the “good witch”

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:28:34am

re: #13 The Ghost of a Flea

Nobody’s reached hummingbird phase 3 yet.

Hummingbird, Phase 3:

And with that, time to call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards and stay healthy.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:29:21am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Of course she would fucking double down on this.

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Now it’s not a big deal blasting the dog in the face because it happened twenty years ago.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:31:06am

re: #15 Targetpractice

She’ll never be involved in politics at anything higher than the state level in which she will easily win re-election as governor.

Edit: The gnome won re-election in 2022 and is term limited.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:31:11am

re: #20 Ace Rothstein

Now it’s not a big deal blasting the dog in the face because it happened twenty years ago.

Besides Jesus forgives her since she’s a Republican!

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The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:31:41am

re: #4 Patricia Kayden

I’m halfway through that article and just poleaxed by the idea of spitballing someone’s weight in the middle of a struggle to guess their ketamine dosage.

I’ve had ketamine IVs and weight is such an important thing that it’s never left to guesswork. They always weigh me. At a “correct” dose you can still feel your breathing slow and getting labored.

This is an ugly demonstration of how technology or theorems developed as solutions can just be turned into a pretext, a new reason to do the same violence. “Excited delirium” wasn’t supposed to be an excuse to use even more violence (note: it was not a good piece of diagnostic work and deserves removal from diagnostic options), sedatives on hand wasn’t meant to be the alternative to training LEOs how to de-escalate…but our policing system has fully accepted the premise that they are a militarized force and trains for aggressive and adversarial intervention first, and anything they’re presented with as an alternative is just re-purposed to fit their needs.

Much like firing tear gas cannisters at the head of a protester, it’s malicious compliance.

ACAB

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:33:04am

Again, famine is a process with a terrible amount of inertia behind it:

The top US humanitarian official said Wednesday it is “credible” to assess that famine is already occurring in parts of Gaza as the war between Israel and Hamas continues.

Although US officials have been sounding the alarm about the imminent risk of famine in the war-torn strip, USAID Administrator Samantha Power is the first official to publicly agree with an assessment that famine is already taking place.

The assessment is likely to fuel further calls for the administration to put restrictions on its military aid to Israel. The Foreign Assistance Act bars assistance to any country that “prohibits or otherwise restricts, directly or indirectly, the transport or delivery of United States humanitarian assistance.”

…

Power noted that “in northern Gaza, the rate of malnutrition, prior to October 7, was almost zero. And it is now one in three, one in three kids.”

“Food has not flowed in sufficient quantities to avoid this imminent famine in the south and these conditions that are giving rise already to child deaths in the north,” she said.

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Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:40:34am

re: #21 Ace Rothstein

She’ll never be involved in politics at anything higher than the state level in which she will easily win re-election as governor.

Edit: The gnome won re-election in 2022 and is term limited.

Yep. She’s out in 2 years with no real clear path forward. Since she’s already served in the state legislature and as the SD Rep-at-large in the US House, her only option in 2026 would be to challenge Mike Rounds for his Senate seat. Otherwise she’d spend two years in the political wilderness because she could consider running for the presidency in 2028. So, really, her only hope at this point for advancing that keeps her in the spotlight long enough is hoping Cheetolini picks her as his VP. And puppy murder is the sort of thing that would stiffen his mushroom, so I can see why she’d choose to keep doubling down.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:43:55am

re: #25 Targetpractice

Just think, she is making political calculations based on killing a puppy. What a fucking country.

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(((Archangel1)))  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:47:49am

I’d like to know who the hell advised her that doubling down on remorselessly killing a puppy is a winning tactic….

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Unabogie  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:48:22am

re: #26 Ace Rothstein

Just think, she is making political calculations based on killing a puppy. What a fucking country.

The telling part is how the GOP electorate and right-wing media is going to treat this. She murdered a puppy and now calls it a “working dog” as if that means you can just shoot them for no reason. In a sane country, this would shock the conscience. I don’t think the GOP voters have one left to shock.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:49:11am

But Fauci and BEAGLES!!!!!!!!!

//

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:50:35am

re: #28 Unabogie

Makes perfect sense to kill a “working” dog if you’re a Republican since they don’t give a fuck about workers at all.

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A Cranky One  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:51:03am

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:53:38am

re: #31 A Cranky One

Yes. That sounds like a cat.

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jaunte  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:55:02am

re: #27 (((Archangel1)))

The story is about her being too ignorant of dog-training to do a good job of it, thinking other dogs would do the work for her, blaming and killing the untrained dog, and remaining so arrogant and ignorant for the next TWENTY YEARS that she thought those facts would reflect well on her.

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Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:56:11am

re: #30 Ace Rothstein

Makes perfect sense to kill a “working” dog if you’re a Republican since they don’t give a fuck about workers at all.

Referring to Cricket as a “working dog” is about reducing her to nothing more than a tool, the disposal of which should evoke no more anger or horror as throwing away a worn-out wrench or busted appliance. But the flip side to that is a tool has no will of its own and thus cannot be blamed for its user misusing it. As a Republican, I’m sure Kristi could appreciate the ridiculousness of blaming a tool, as they ritualistically chant “Guns don’t kill people!” whenever a mass shooting occurs.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:57:05am

re: #33 jaunte

And mentioning it was 20 years ago in her tweet today as if that makes it any better. “Look, I killed my husband and our 4 children execution style, but it was twenty years ago. What is the big deal?”

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Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:58:13am

re: #34 Targetpractice

Referring to Cricket as a “working dog” is about reducing her to nothing more than a tool, the disposal of which should evoke no more anger or horror as throwing away a worn-out wrench or busted appliance. But the flip side to that is a tool has no will of its own and thus cannot be blamed for its user misusing it. As a Republican, I’m sure Kristi could appreciate the ridiculousness of blaming a tool, as they ritualistically chant “Guns don’t kill people!” whenever a mass shooting occurs.

Calling a 14 month old dog a “puppy” is marginal, but she decided to try it as an adult.

Lawn Order.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 28, 2024 • 11:58:48am

I know this is probably shallow, but Republican women like the gnome are really bad looking. Their faces look like leather and then they plaster it with way too much makeup.

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Unabogie  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:00:27pm

re: #30 Ace Rothstein

Makes perfect sense to kill a “working” dog if you’re a Republican since they don’t give a fuck about workers at all.

The whole concept of sentient animals being there for “work” and therefore disposable makes me sick. Granted, I’m in the minority in that I feel this way about every animal (why I’m vegan), but people generally look at dogs as having feelings and worth. And we always have the option to give our dogs to another human if they really aren’t working out. The idea that if they don’t “function” properly, the solution is to just take them somewhere and shoot them, is horrific.

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Vicious Babushka  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:01:32pm

re: #37 Ace Rothstein

I know this is probably shallow, but Republican women like the gnome are really bad looking. Their faces look like leather and then they plaster it with way too much makeup.

Republican women all look the same, with their botox balloon lips and Ozempic skin.

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steve_davis  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:01:55pm

Finished watching doctor zhivago. Just a masterful film, which I’ve only ever seen most of on television at a much younger age. There’s something about coming to it later in life, that sense that all of the past of a place can sit in a particular moment and one can savor all of it at once, like the country house that acts as a kind of refuge for the zhivagos, and then for the doctor and lara. Of course the doctor can’t flee with Lara and Steiger because zhivago is tied by the land. His poetry is technically about her, but as she points out, it’s really about him, as his great love is the land and the truth of things.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:02:37pm

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

And they also have really bad taste. The shoes alone make me want to vomit.

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Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:07:01pm

The “20 years ago” business is easy to respond to: “You’re the one who brought it up.” No one asked her for an example of her “tough frontier-type” personality, nobody asked her if she’d ever done anything others would find deplorable but which she believes shows “strength,” and certainly we weren’t interested in hearing about her thoughts on shooting a “working dog” because she’s a lazy hunter. You can’t say “This is something I want to talk about” and “It happened so long ago!” when people call you a monster.

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jaunte  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:07:57pm

re: #28 Unabogie

I don’t think the GOP voters have one left to shock.

She wants her voters to know she’s tough enough to cull the child workers who don’t quickly learn from the older child workers how to operate the machinery.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:08:47pm

re: #43 jaunte

That killed her father thirty years ago.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:10:45pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

And her editor surely did. To which the gnome responded “Fuck yeah I want these dog and goat murders in my book!”

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Dangerman  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:10:58pm

re: #20 Ace Rothstein

Now it’s not a big deal blasting the dog in the face because it happened twenty years ago.

And “I learned from it” means you didn’t know how effing wrong it was in the first place

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sizzzzlerz  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:12:34pm

re: #28 Unabogie

The telling part is how the GOP electorate and right-wing media is going to treat this. She murdered a puppy and now calls it a “working dog” as if that means you can just shoot them for no reason. In a sane country, this would shock the conscience. I don’t think the GOP voters have one left to shock.

Conscience? That was surgically removed 7, 8 years ago. It got in the way.

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sizzzzlerz  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:15:22pm

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

Republican women all look the same, with their botox balloon lips and Ozempic skin.

Hiding their lizard skin every morning is just part of getting ready for a new day.

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Vicious Babushka  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:16:39pm

re: #48 sizzzzlerz

Hiding their lizard skin every morning is just part of getting ready for a new day.

Hey now, I thought we are the seekrit Lizard folk!

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Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:21:01pm

The far-right will deal with the Noem story in the time-honored tradition: Ignoring it. Some will express shock and horror, but the majority will avoid commenting publicly so that if she does end up as Trump’s VP pick or she does choose to challenge Mike Rounds in 2026 they can say “Oh, that was so long ago, nobody’s even talking about it anymore!” and trying to push past it.

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steve_davis  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:25:19pm

oh, and it turns out geraldine chaplin was at most 21 years of age when she played zhivago’s wife. If one wishes to move that universe to our own, she could easily have been an expat living in France with the children in the 1990’s, which really does sort of demonstrate just how near “far” events are from us. sort of like that guy whose name I’m not googling who is I think the grandson of President Tyler, who was alive at some seemingly impossible recent moment in time.

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mmmirele  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:26:49pm

re: #4 Patricia Kayden

Yes, this is what happened to Elijah McClain in 2019, when he was detained by officers and injected with ketamine by an EMT.

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BlueSpotinAL ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:29:38pm

re: #27 (((Archangel1)))

I’d like to know who the hell advised her that doubling down on remorselessly killing a puppy is a winning tactic….

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Tahitinho  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:39:02pm

re: #16 Vicious Babushka

Cue the song…

“She made a blue, slouchy beret…

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Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:55:21pm

Well, I had to disappoint my cats and kill their new toy, but that damned fly woke me up and I was not going to give it a chance to do so twice.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:56:07pm

re: #288 Lancelot Link Returns!

There’s no Baptist preacher in the story, though.
You probably wouldn’t like it if every story about Harvey Weinstein mentioned his religion.

False equivalence. It’s a comment about leadership and status in small towns, something of which I have direct knowledge.
Beyond that, Harvey Weinstein abused a position of power. There is no evidence that his religion, if any, had any connection to creating or maintaining that power. On the other hand, pedophiles abuse positions of trust and, on the strength of the evidence, religion has a lot do with that.

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Teukka  Apr 28, 2024 • 12:56:16pm

Yay! WCK apparently spinning up their activities again!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:10:55pm

WTF is with these people?!

Biden has the power to expand the Supreme Court and hasn’t. Biden has the power to end the Palestinian genocide but won’t. Biden has the power to codify Roe through executive order but jeepers, thoughts and prayers ladies, the most powerful man in the world sits on his hands.

I said what I said.

— (@kateallday.bsky.social) 2024-04-28T19:48:50.206Z

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:11:20pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

She’s a sick, sick woman. Psycho. No one in their right mind would reveal such a horrific story as if it has any redemptive value. She killed a dog she didn’t like because it acted like a puppy.
What did President Biden do when his dogs bit Special Services agents? Put them down? Hell no! He sent his dogs to live in Delaware. That’s what decent human beings do. They don’t shoot a puppy in its head because it won’t hunt. And then boast about it years later.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:13:40pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Calling a 14 month old dog a “puppy” is marginal, but she decided to try it as an adult.

Lawn Order.

Lily is 4 years old and we call her a puppy every day of her life.

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piratedan  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:19:51pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

green lantern school of Democratic governance

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:23:45pm

My wonder-dog, Roswell II the Atomic Pound Pup, is now 12 years old. He has always been rather useless for any kind of “work”
and he is slowing down even more now that he is old (like me). He loves me though and I am his world. In return, it has been one of the joys of my old age to maintain and provide a lazy dog heaven here on the farm.

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Unabogie  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:24:31pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

WTF is with these people?!

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I refuse to believe she really thinks that. What executive order about abortion could she be thinking of, and why wouldn’t a Republican just reverse it if they could have done that since Roe v Wade?

Seems like a Republican ratfvcker.

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Unabogie  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:27:59pm

re: #63 Unabogie

I refuse to believe she really thinks that. What executive order about abortion could she be thinking of, and why wouldn’t a Republican just reverse it if they could have done that since Roe v Wade?

Seems like a Republican ratfvcker.

By the way, this is why I still haven’t joined Blue Sky and prefer Mastodon. This kind of stuff makes me angry and I encounter very few MAGA trolls and fake progressives on Mastodon.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:28:05pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

My Spidey Sense says that’s a Russian troll

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Charles Johnson  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:33:09pm

re: #64 Unabogie

By the way, this is why I still haven’t joined Blue Sky and prefer Mastodon. This kind of stuff makes me angry and I encounter very few MAGA trolls and fake progressives on Mastodon.

I haven’t had as good luck avoiding this type of weirdo on Mastodon as you have. There are a couple of servers full of ‘em, and I eventually blocked those servers.

The good thing about Bluesky’s block and mute functions is that they actually work, unlike Twitter’s.

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nines09  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:33:10pm

Jade Macrae sings backup with Joe Bonamassa band. She’s been with him a number of years. She is a force, and she never stops moving. I watch her half the time. She IS Soul. I hear timelessness in her voice.
She’s got it and Joe knows it.

Here’s a slice with strings.

Jade MacRae - Weather The Storm - live with strings at Golden Retriever Studios

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Vicious Babushka  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:35:56pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

I haven’t had as good luck avoiding this type of weirdo on Mastodon as you have. There are a couple of servers full of ‘em, and I eventually blocked those servers.

The good thing about Bluesky’s block and mute functions is that they actually work, unlike Twitter’s.

I found my own little corner of Mastodon but I just couldn’t navigate Bluesky.

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Unabogie  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:37:44pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

I haven’t had as good luck avoiding this type of weirdo on Mastodon as you have. There are a couple of servers full of ‘em, and I eventually blocked those servers.

The good thing about Bluesky’s block and mute functions is that they actually work, unlike Twitter’s.

I’m not semi-famous, so maybe that explains the difference ;-)

Regardless, I don’t like feeling angry and that’s the thing I miss least about Twitter.

Hey, here’s this racist shitweasel you’ve never heard of. Come join us as we make them the main character today!

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darthstar  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:39:07pm

Eartha was sleeping in the space between my legs on the couch before we left for Sunday Brunch…she’s still sleeping in the same spot so I positioned myself around her and she mewed once and cuddled back in.

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piratedan  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:41:45pm

re: #63 Unabogie

there really are folks like that out there. They seem to be open to the same kind of so-called friendly Fascism, I.e. being a dictator from the left, because you can trust us, we’ll never abuse our power.

While I have my moments of just put me in charge and I will fix everything too, it’s recognition of that hubris that I can’t know everything. These are the folks that support left-centre policy on the whole but are impatient about the time it takes to build consensus and the work it takes to include all voices.

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TedStriker  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:44:39pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

Yep. She’s out in 2 years with no real clear path forward. Since she’s already served in the state legislature and as the SD Rep-at-large in the US House, her only option in 2026 would be to challenge Mike Rounds for his Senate seat. Otherwise she’d spend two years in the political wilderness because she could consider running for the presidency in 2028. So, really, her only hope at this point for advancing that keeps her in the spotlight long enough is hoping Cheetolini picks her as his VP. And puppy murder is the sort of thing that would stiffen his mushroom, so I can see why she’d choose to keep doubling down.

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darthstar  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:47:49pm

re: #70 darthstar

Eartha was sleeping in the space between my legs on the couch before we left for Sunday Brunch…she’s still sleeping in the same spot so I positioned myself around her and she mewed once and cuddled back in.

BTW, sometimes two eggs, two sausage links and two pancakes is the perfect breakfast meal…also had two tequilas because reasons.

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wrenchwench  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:48:46pm

Mastodon

Bonus:

Mastodon

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mmmirele  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:49:03pm

I stayed up way too late into this morning reading “El juicio,” a book by J. Jesús Lemus, published a few years back about the New York trial of El Chapo. It’s pretty much a day by day diary. I’m using it as a way to improve my Spanish to get it up to where I’m not having to look up three or four words a page.

And then this morning I learned that Mexican journalist (but I think she’s currently in exile in the USA or Europe) Anabel Hernández’s new book has dropped in Mexico and will hit the shelves (in Spanish) here in the USA in a couple of weeks. It’s called “La Historia Secreta: AMLO y el Cártel de Sinaloa.” I think you all can figure out what the title means.

Basically, Hernández’s argument is that the current president of Mexico, AMLO, has been funded by the Sinaloa cartel since he first ran for president in 2006. (So, 2012 and 2018 too, when he was elected.) Since I have not read the book, I cannot judge her claims, but an excerpt published today in Reforma tells the story of AMLO’s people getting passed a suitcase containing $500K in 2006 for the campaign. It’s got lots of details, even if the person telling the story (T5) is not identified. There’s a further assertion that AMLO’s 2006 campaign received more than $26 million from the cartel.

Now, if you think this is kind of whack, it’s really not. During the opening statements of El Chapo’s NY trial, one of his attorneys asserted that there was corruption all the way up in the presidential administrations of Felipe Calderón (2006-2012) and Enrique Peña Nieto (2012-2018). This caused QUITE a stir at the time (as in “diplomatic incident”) and the federal judge basically told El Chapo’s attorneys that they had better not mention it again unless they had proof.

But the reality is the corruption exists. Genaro García Luna, who was director of the Federal Investigative Agency during the Fox (2000-2006) administration and secretary of public security in the Calderón administration, was arrested here in the USA in 2019. It had come out during the El Chapo trial that García Luna was the recipient, on multiple occasions, of suitcases stuffed with millions. He was convicted in 2023 of various charges of taking bribes and facilitating the importation of cocaine by the Sinaloa Cartel into the USA during the 2000s. He’s not been sentenced yet (it keeps being put off).

So make of it what you will—is AMLO up to his eyeballs with the Sinaloa Cartel? No idea. But it wouldn’t be a total surprise. That said, this book’s publication is like a bomb dropped into the current Mexican presidential campaign, with the election on Sunday, June 2. It remains to be seen if it will have any impact. Well, besides the fact that the AMLO fanbois are completely losing their shit online.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:49:10pm


74 years old today. He recently had this to say about President Biden:

I like him. I think he’s a good guy. And, you know, the economy’s doing pretty good!”

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:49:33pm

Perfect! Connections

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:54:04pm

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

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74 years old today. He recently had this to say about President Biden:

Is that a recent picture of him? If so, his face healed up pretty well after being burn badly by that steam car he was working on.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:54:37pm

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

Jay Leno is 74? Wow. Now I feel old.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:55:27pm

re: #77 Eventual Carrion

Perfect! Connections

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Me too!

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Apr 28, 2024 • 1:59:51pm

re: #78 Eventual Carrion

Is that a recent picture of him? If so, his face healed up pretty well after being burn badly by that steam car he was working on.

Apparently so. He made a number of appearances to show his “brand new face” over a year ago and he looked about like that.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:00:00pm

Speaking of political dynasties in the US, do you know who is running for Art Robinson’s office, now that he is term limited?

Why, his son of course:

Noah Robinson Talks about Climate Change at the Josephine County GOP Patriot’s Conference


..

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steve_davis  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:00:40pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

WTF is with these people?!

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they’re russian trolls. of course they know better. their intent is to create agitprop.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:05:10pm

“We later found out that Hamas had offered on Oct 9 or 10 to release all the civilian hostages in exchange for the IDF not entering the Strip, but the govt rejected the offer….”

“Bibi knows that the moment the hostages are released, Smotrich & Ben Gvir will leave the govt.”

AS WE’VE BEEN SAYING.

— Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg (@theradr.bsky.social) 2024-04-28T20:07:55.044Z

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Belafon  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:08:35pm

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

What a great offer, though: “Yes, we attacked you, and kill many people, and took hostages, but if you’ll let us give them back you won’t have to respond.”

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Teukka  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:12:25pm

re: #85 Belafon

What a great offer, though: “Yes, we attacked you, and kill many people, and took hostages, but if you’ll let us give them back you won’t have to respond.”

Trying to force Israel into a situation where they let Hamas & Co get away with impunity. Like, at least 15 different types of war crimes, not entirely unlikely genocide proper, and the ████████████ want to get away with impunity?

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:17:18pm

re: #65 Joe Bacon ✅

My Spidey Sense says that’s a Russian troll

Putin remembers to keep his left flank covered.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:23:01pm

re: #87 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

Putin remembers to keep his left flank covered.

Biden could assign us all the pony of our choice by Executive degree but he hasn’t because he does not care about us.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:23:10pm

re: #85 Belafon

What a great offer, though: “Yes, we attacked you, and kill many people, and took hostages, but if you’ll let us give them back you won’t have to respond.”

There are perverse incentives all around, the question of moral hazard is absolutely real. Which is also why letting the same government who funded and bolstered Hamas, and then turned Israel’s back on Hamas, stay in power when continual war is now the only way they can stay in power is so grotesque. Because a different government probably wouldn’t be viewed as having their political interests be so inimical to the interests of the hostages and their families.

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jeffreyw  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:23:38pm

Don’t remember if this has been put up here yet. Twice will not hurt.

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:23:51pm

re: #61 piratedan

green lantern school of Democratic governance

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

I found my own little corner of Mastodon but I just couldn’t navigate Bluesky.

My practice in perusing Mastodon & Bluesky is to deal with them like i do with Twitter.

Set the accounts to read only those I follow. And vet postings which were reposted by those I follow and curate/expand my following list accordingly.

It cuts down on the bullshit.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:24:54pm

re: #90 jeffreyw

Awww. I like that too. Especially the ice cream.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:28:16pm

re: #90 jeffreyw

Don’t remember if this has been put up here yet. Twice will not hurt.

“Look at those losers, they will never be working dogs!!!”

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Joe Bacon ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:32:27pm

re: #90 jeffreyw

Republicans will scream that there is no scoop of vanilla in either cup.

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Belafon  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:32:53pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

There are perverse incentives all around,

The attack itself is 100% on Hamas. They did not have to attack.

Just like Netanyahu’s government is responsible for civilian deaths in areas where they were telling Gazan’s to flee to.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:36:08pm

Yikes! Louisiana law allows judges to order chemical castration of sex offenders but gives defendants the option of choosing physical castration instead. That’s apparently what this low-life has done.

Physical castration mandated for Springfield man who pled guilty to raping, impregnating teen

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wrenchwench  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:37:59pm

Mastodon

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:39:36pm

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

Btw, the prosecutor, a personable looking young chap, referred to castration as “one of the tools in the prosecutor’s toolbox.”

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wrenchwench  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:41:27pm

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

Yikes! Louisiana law allows judges to order chemical castration of sex offenders but gives defendants the option of choosing physical castration instead. That’s apparently what this low-life has done.

Physical castration mandated for Springfield man who pled guilty to raping, impregnating teen

Impregnating someone is attempted murder these days, but they never cut a person’s hand off, for heaven’s sake. Not even a trigger finger.

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Teukka  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:44:46pm

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

Yikes! Louisiana law allows judges to order chemical castration of sex offenders but gives defendants the option of choosing physical castration instead. That’s apparently what this low-life has done.

Physical castration mandated for Springfield man who pled guilty to raping, impregnating teen

The thing is, physical castration won’t do much to fix what’s causing the perp to rape, and possibly make identification a little more difficult.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:46:12pm

re: #100 Teukka

The thing is, physical castration won’t do much to fix what’s causing the perp to rape, and possibly make identification a little more difficult.

It’s all about showing how they will not shrink from “doing what needs to be done” just like Governor Noem in the gravel pit…

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:50:55pm

re: #95 Belafon

The attack itself is 100% on Hamas. They did not have to attack.

Just like Netanyahu’s government is responsible for civilian deaths in areas where they were telling Gazan’s to flee to.

Here’s the thing, Hamas isn’t subtle about their hatred of Israelis, they’re terrorists, who unlike Benjamin Netanyahu do not have a duty of care to the Israeli people. So sure, the attack is 100% on them, but how useful is that statement in analyzing the part of the situation where “BRING THEM HOME NOW” was the public rallying cry but bringing them home was actually antithetical to the government’s goals?

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Teukka  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:54:51pm

👀 Big if true

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:56:55pm

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:58:04pm

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s all about showing how they will not shrink from “doing what needs to be done” just like Governor Noem in the gravel pit…

More of the kayfabe of modern politics.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 28, 2024 • 2:59:49pm

When does Trump make him his VP? These people are sickening. All he got was a $250 fine.

cowboystatedaily.com

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Joe Bacon ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:01:57pm

Fool puts his Tesla on Autopilot while he texts…and he ran over a motorcyclist.

A Tesla owner has been charged with vehicular homicide after his car—traveling in autopilot mode—slammed into a motorcyclist when he got distracted looking at his cellphone, according to Washington court records.

thesmokinggun.com

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Vicious Babushka  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:05:09pm

Mastodon

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:06:56pm

re: #108 Vicious Babushka

Mmmm. You are making my mouth water.

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Dangerman  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:08:25pm

re: #2 darthstar

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:15:02pm

A meme for the tabletop RPG nerds among us:

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:16:28pm

Wayne DuMond, the notorious Arkansas rapist who went on to rape and murder again after an early parole, claimed that he had been castrated by vigilantes while he was out on bail on the original rape charge. Some observers thought DuMond had done the deed himself. There is no doubt that it happened though since the local sheriff had publicly displayed DuMond’s excised testicles during a press conference.
Once in prison, DuMond became the subject of an extensive right wing and fundamentalist campaign for him to be pardoned. They claimed he had been framed by then-governor Bill Clinton because the victim was a relative of Clinton’s.
Influenced by this, Governor Mike Huckabee reportedly reportedly pressured the parole board into granting a very early parole.
After his parole DuMond
raped and murdered a woman in Missouri and was in the process of being charged with a second rape/murder when he died in a Missouri prison in 2005.

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Belafon  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:20:15pm

What say you, cat owners, is this relatable?

— George Takei (@georgetakei.bsky.social) 2024-04-28T22:06:46.244Z

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Belafon  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:22:08pm

Brilliant, Panda

WHO PUT THE DOGS DOWN

NOEM NOEM NOEM NOEM NOEM

— Popehat (@kenwhite.bsky.social) 2024-04-27T15:08:04.636Z

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Joe Bacon ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:22:34pm

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jeffreyw  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:27:52pm

#NoMoreDogsforKristiNoem #GOPPuppyKillers

— AnneA (@annenc.bsky.social) 2024-04-28T18:07:48.847Z

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Teukka  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:28:23pm

Sheryl Sandberg’s new film testifies to Hamas’s brutal sexual violence on October 7
⚠️ CW/TW: Text of article containing graphic descriptions of SA ⚠️

In ‘Screams Before Silence’ documentary, survivors and witnesses share details of inconceivable cruelty by Palestinian terrorists in Israel and Gaza in hopes the world will listen

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:32:19pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

Here’s the thing, Hamas isn’t subtle about their hatred of Israelis, they’re terrorists, who unlike Benjamin Netanyahu do not have a duty of care to the Israeli people. So sure, the attack is 100% on them, but how useful is that statement in analyzing the part of the situation where “BRING THEM HOME NOW” was the public rallying cry but bringing them home was actually antithetical to the government’s goals?

I am confident that the reason Hamas is currently rejecting a ceasefire is that they don’t have 40 live hostages to exchange. The question is how many of the 113 hostages remain alive. It’s not as though Hamas consists of people who care about others — including Palestinians.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:33:55pm

Hamas are terrorists. They were absolute terrorists on 10/7. We are still terrorized from that day & are terrorized for and by the hostages still in their hands.

History shows that Government’s whose people are terrorized do not act in thought-out, logical ways.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:34:58pm

re: #107 Joe Bacon ✅

Fool puts his Tesla on Autopilot while he texts…and he ran over a motorcyclist.

A Tesla owner has been charged with vehicular homicide after his car—traveling in autopilot mode—slammed into a motorcyclist when he got distracted looking at his cellphone, according to Washington court records.

thesmokinggun.com

Didn’t need to be a Tesla — there are others who have been injured and probably even killed because a driver is distracted by their cell.

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jeffreyw  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:37:31pm

Good morning

— Richard Kadrey (@richardkadrey.bsky.social) 2024-04-28T14:25:44.941Z

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:41:10pm

Today was warm at 80 degrees. Tomorrow is supposed to be going up to 88 degrees. I will see if my A/C works tomorrow.

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Mattand  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:41:11pm

Look who went groveling back to Trump today:

DeSantis meets with Trump to help with 2024 election

Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham need to make some room in the kennel for a new arrival.

124
DodgerFan1988  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:44:46pm

re: #123 Mattand

Look who went groveling back to Trump today:

DeSantis meets with Trump to help with 2024 election

Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham need to make some room in the kennel for a new arrival.

125
Vicious Babushka  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:46:11pm

I just want to take a nap and wake up on Wednesday.

Mastodon

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:47:19pm

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

They look delicious.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:47:52pm

re: #122 PhillyPretzel ✅

Today was warm at 80 degrees. Tomorrow is supposed to be going up to 88 degrees. I will see if my A/C works tomorrow.

Yeah, it was a beautiful day on this side of the state also. I got out fishing this morning. Cut the grass and pretty much have the back patio summer ready. Going to sit out on the front porch and play a few games on my tablet as the day fades.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:49:59pm

re: #115 Joe Bacon ✅

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Nope. Never illegal some states, legal before the civil war in some (southern) states… it’s a patchwork.

Loving just made it uniformly legal.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  Apr 28, 2024 • 3:52:00pm

re: #119 HRH Stanley Sea

Hamas are terrorists. They were absolute terrorists on 10/7. We are still terrorized from that day & are terrorized for and by the hostages still in their hands.

History shows that Government’s whose people are terrorized do not act in thought-out, logical ways.

E.g. how the US acted after September 11, 2001.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:01:09pm

re: #124 DodgerFan1988

Is Ronny still term limited or did they pass a law so he could be Governor-for-life?

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:03:25pm

re: #119 HRH Stanley Sea

History shows that Government’s whose people are terrorized do not act in thought-out, logical ways.

Yes they do, they just act in their own interests. The disconnect comes from thinking that the actions taken in response to the threat aren’t thought-out or logical because they aren’t in the interests of “the people,” but they are in the subjective interests of the people in power.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:03:33pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

Is Ronny still term limited or did they pass a law so he could be Governor-for-life?

Who said they had to pass a law?

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:13:46pm

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Vicious Babushka  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:18:10pm

Mastodon

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:23:08pm

re: #123 Mattand

I’m waiting for Nikki Haley to kiss the ring. Not sure if Trump cares but I don’t see her as any different from him anyways.

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Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:25:17pm

*sigh*

10 minutes to 4pm EST, dinner prep has started, it’s a quiet night…

Boss: “Hey Target, Coworker X called out at the last minute with a family medical emergency. I can’t get a hold of anyone else and I’m a 3 hour drive away. You think you could drop everything and come to work right now?”

Me: “I’m already scheduled to work overnight, do you want me to just work until tomorrow morning?”

Boss: “Oh no, the part-time auditor will cover your shift tonight.”

Me: *skeptical AF* “Alright, I can be there in 15-20 minutes.”

Boss: “Thanks so much! *click*”

So yeah, I got in at 4:15pm on the dot and just now have a chance to finally sit down after sorting out the shitshow that was the morning shift.

How is everybody?/////

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KerFuFFler  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:26:33pm

re: #135 Patricia Kayden

Clearly not a Haley fan myself but I’m pretty sure she is a realist regarding Putin and would support Ukraine.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:30:23pm

A pro-Israeli demonstrator yelled “Kill the Jews” (seemingly intended ironically) at Northeastern University, which provided the basis for the university to shut down the pro Palestinian protest and arrest 100 people.
www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-a…

— Don Moynihan (@donmoyn.bsky.social) 2024-04-28T23:25:42.226Z

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Joe Bacon ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:30:50pm

re: #135 Patricia Kayden

I’m waiting for Nikki Haley to kiss the ring. Not sure if Trump cares but I don’t see her as any different from him anyways.

Every one of them will line up to kiss Trump’s ass because they want to turn America into an Xtian theocracy.

140
darthstar  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:34:41pm

re: #135 Patricia Kayden

I’m waiting for Nikki Haley to kiss the ring. Not sure if Trump cares but I don’t see her as any different from him anyways.

Haley has her sights set on 2028. Trump crashing and burning in front of her is her best set up.

141
Joe Bacon ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:36:03pm

Let me guess! She’s grifting off of you-know-who’s Bozo No-No!

142
Hecuba's daughter  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:39:38pm

re: #120 Hecuba’s daughter

Didn’t need to be a Tesla — there are others who have been injured and probably even killed because a driver is distracted by their cell.

The only death I knew about personally that was related to cell phone use happened in spring 2001. The daughter of an acquaintance was driving and chatting with her mother on her cell when she overlooked the stop sign at an intersection, continued on, and her vehicle was hit by a truck. Very sad and tragic.

Edited to correct date of accident.

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Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:42:52pm

re: #138 goddamnedfrank

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Welcome back to the 1980s, where being anti-apartheid automatically means you’re “pro-communist,” the only people who are pro-freedom are “terrorists,” and being a good patriot means supporting the Afrikaaner minority because they’re “anti-communist.”

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:45:42pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:47:29pm

re: #137 KerFuFFler

Clearly not a Haley fan myself but I’m pretty sure she is a realist regarding Putin and would support Ukraine.

Yes — but that won’t stop her from endorsing Trump.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:49:57pm

re: #142 Hecuba’s daughter

Note: corrected date in the posting.

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Belafon  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:51:18pm

re: #141 Joe Bacon ✅

Let me guess! She’s grifting off of you-know-who’s Bozo No-No!

[Embedded content]

The pup comes back from the dead, stalking the South Dakota governor.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:53:34pm

Cat sniffs U 4 17 seconds

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Charles Johnson  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:53:51pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

This is the reason the internet exists.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:58:28pm

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Apr 28, 2024 • 4:59:53pm

I hate to dogpile but is there some way to fit the old military expression “screwed the pooch” into the Noem story?

152
Unabogie  Apr 28, 2024 • 5:02:35pm

When it comes to the Israeli/Hamas war, this site is a microcosm of the internet, writ large. People are just talking past each other, posting competing memes and news articles, and almost never engaging with each other.

It should not be that hard to agree on the following:

1. Hamas perpetrated an atrocity.
2. Palestinians are living under an apartheid regime.
3. Hamas does not care.
4. Israel doesn’t care
5. Protesting in favor of Gazans does not make you antisemitic
6. Lots of protestors are nevertheless antisemitic
7. Jews do not feel safe around these protests no matter their stance on Israel
8. Netanyahu is committing war crimes and we should all oppose him

Please let me know if any of those seem off.

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steve_davis  Apr 28, 2024 • 5:02:47pm

re: #115 Joe Bacon ✅

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interracial marriage was made legal in the U.S. in 1967. The prohibition against interracial marriages in South Africa was repealed in 1985. Now you really know.

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Vicious Babushka  Apr 28, 2024 • 5:03:06pm

I am logging off now for the Final Days of Passover. See you in 2 more days when we get the pizza!

155
The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 28, 2024 • 5:03:11pm

re: #119 HRH Stanley Sea

Hamas are terrorists. They were absolute terrorists on 10/7. We are still terrorized from that day & are terrorized for and by the hostages still in their hands.

History shows that Government’s whose people are terrorized do not act in thought-out, logical ways.

I…disagree because it’s more complicated than that, because ultimately there is no guaranteed relationship between what a government does and what people want. Indeed, most people don’t know what they want other than to be safe, and the hinge-point becomes “what do state-sanctioned actors present as a means to obtain safety?”

This answer is itself complicated because once the “state of exception because terror must be addressed is initiated” is has no set endpoint…an endless string of proposals can be introduced or justified as anti-terror with no preset expiration. Furthermore, opportunism in crisis skews government responses in way that don’t correspond to public fear/demands.

All in all, there doesn’t have to be any relationship between how a government responds to terrorism and how the citizenry demand response, but generally any response performed is presented to the citizenry as a solve…but that does not mean that the solve is a good faith assessment, or not larded with pre-existing ideology or just plain rapacity to use emergency to wield the granted power that accompanies exception. But then over time even good faith plans that don’t have efficacy can decay into counterproductive activity.

The most notable “response” action to terrorism was post-9/11, which is notable in that while the public were terrorized and had “irrational” responses, the government actions in response were entirely calculated: the Patriot Act, FISA, the declaration of war on Afghanistan and then Iraq, the Bremer plan to privatize Iraq’s fossil resources, and a whole series of secondary patch-overs like providing anti-terror training for police that amounted to militarization, the construction of a discreet torture program, establishing surveillance programs against mosques, and the reassignment of Guantanomo Bay as a kind of indefinite detention for people suspected of terrorism.

This is a deeply complicated stew of good faith proposals and utter cynicism right off the bat, but then some of the “sincere” policy was been coopted to further conservative political objectives. Also notable is…when did the state of exception post-9/11 end, because none of the exceptional powers have been rescinded under law…in a sense everything that’s done is being justified by The War on Terror.

Another example would be the Russian response to terrorism (notably the Moscow Theater crisis, but also the Beslan massacre) by initiating the Second Chechen War…which is pretty hard to encapsulate but effectively was incredibly messy, notable in establishing a trend we continue to see in Ukraine of using bombardment and bombing indiscriminately, and has ultimately resulted in the current state of Chechenya as a kind of client state that provides auxillaries to the Russian Army. But anti-terrorism laws put through by the Duma included a bunch of abrogations of free speech (you cannot criticize anti-terror actions by the government) that set up a lot of internal state terror Russia’s doing right now.

I could do more…Bataclan and Operation Chammal would be a good one to look at nest…but actually I have to go, it’s Tabletop Game night. I guess I’m arguing that it’s not simple or straightforward.

In general, governments actually have tremendous power to reify what their citizens want, even in democracies, and in emergencies that ability to reify is heightened because the demands made are often inchoate.

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Charmingly Persistent  Apr 28, 2024 • 5:07:05pm

re: #152 Unabogie

I would say the Israeli government does not care. Seems like the citizenry cares a lot

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Unabogie  Apr 28, 2024 • 5:08:29pm

re: #156 Charmingly Persistent

I would say the Israeli government does not care. Seems like the citizenry cares a lot

When I say Israel, I mean the government. So yeah, fair point if I wasn’t totally clear on that.

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Nerdy Fish  Apr 28, 2024 • 5:17:45pm

re: #152 Unabogie

I still object to the characterization of Israel as apartheid, but I’m not particularly motivated to try to argue my case, as it has been more or less talked to death ad nauseam in the days following 10/7. Everything else in that list I wholeheartedly agree with.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Apr 28, 2024 • 5:21:34pm

re: #153 steve_davis

interracial marriage was made legal in the U.S. in 1967. The prohibition against interracial marriages in South Africa was repealed in 1985. Now you really know.

I sent an e-mail to CRACKED…

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 28, 2024 • 10:02:14pm

re: #140 darthstar

Haley has her sights set on 2028. Trump crashing and burning in front of her is her best set up.

My GOP pick for 2028 is GA Gov Brian Kemp.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  Apr 29, 2024 • 3:15:25am

Bah. Should have had the beagle. Dur.
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