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1 What, me worry?  Sep 22, 2011 7:15:00am

The Israelis want them to have a state, but not unilaterally. They want to be able to negotiate terms. Um… what Israel has been attempting to do for decades.

69% of Israelis thought that Israel should accept the decision and either start negotiations with the Palestinians about its implementation (34%) or not allow any change on the ground by the Palestinians (35%); 16% said Israel should oppose the decision and intensify the construction in the settlements;

The Israelis are sick and tired of supporting these monsters who are bent on killing them and would be thrilled to cut them loose. Imagine giving your enemy, food, water, gas, electricity while they’re bombing you. It’s crazy.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, nearly 1/3 of the Arabs living in Israeli’s disputed territories still see no OTHER options than dead Jews.

Palestinian participants of the survey said how they thought Israel might be made to withdraw from PA territory: 26% supported a return to armed attacks on army and settlers;

2 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sep 22, 2011 8:22:28am
Do note that UN recognition and UN membership are not the same thing.

The former is an important milestone to the latter, though. See also en.wikipedia.org to get some idea at what level of other states the Palestinian state is likely going to be.

3 SanFranciscoZionist  Sep 22, 2011 9:10:50am

Accept as opposed to what? Hold their breath until they turn blue?

Most Israelis (and I myself) want a Palestinian state established, or see it as the best possible outcome, given the tangled history of the West Bank. Of course, many support it with the idea that such an entity might finally put the ‘refugee crisis’ to bed, which is not going to happen at this time.

Meanwhile, Abbas and Co. have tested the waters thoroughly, and discovered that the world does not mind, or respond, when they float for several days the idea that they might not permit Jews to live in their news state, that they might not give citizenship to Palestinian refugees in the territory they claim…

4 What, me worry?  Sep 22, 2011 11:37:54am

re: #3 SanFranciscoZionist

Accept as opposed to what? Hold their breath until they turn blue?

Most Israelis (and I myself) want a Palestinian state established, or see it as the best possible outcome, given the tangled history of the West Bank. Of course, many support it with the idea that such an entity might finally put the ‘refugee crisis’ to bed, which is not going to happen at this time.

Meanwhile, Abbas and Co. have tested the waters thoroughly, and discovered that the world does not mind, or respond, when they float for several days the idea that they might not permit Jews to live in their news state, that they might not give citizenship to Palestinian refugees in the territory they claim…

It’s all a game of smoke and mirrors. What you said about the refugee crisis is the exact reason that even if the UN handed them their own state, they wouldn’t take it. They would lose UN funding or a good chunk of it. They’d also lose U.S. and EU monies and Abbas and his cronies love that flow of money that the poor peasants never see a penny of.

But more importantly, the last thing they want is a state. They can play “poor old me” better without it, especially when it comes to blaming Jews for every ill of their world.

How in the world can they blame the Jews if they have their own country? Every freaking country on this planet can vote FOR them and they won’t accept a state for themselves. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

5 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2011 12:16:34pm

re: #1 marjoriemoon

The Israelis are sick and tired of supporting these monsters who are bent on killing them and would be thrilled to cut them loose. Imagine giving your enemy, food, water, gas, electricity while they’re bombing you. It’s crazy.

They thought they could do that with Gaza. Did. Not. Happen. They still have to provide Gaza with food, water, gas, electicity while being rocketed in return.

6 Bob Levin  Sep 22, 2011 1:47:00pm

The main concern is the safety of those living in the cities that are around forty years old. The West Bank already has its own government, UN representation, flag, police force, courts, schools (sort of). There is going to have to be cooperation on water. They don’t have infrastructure and are highly dependent on foreign aid to steal for the day to day functioning of their government. And this last fact could change in a second.

I can easily see why the Israelis are in favor of this.

7 sliv_the_eli  Sep 22, 2011 2:34:17pm

re: #4 marjoriemoon

It’s all a game of smoke and mirrors. What you said about the refugee crisis is the exact reason that even if the UN handed them their own state, they wouldn’t take it. They would lose UN funding or a good chunk of it. They’d also lose U.S. and EU monies and Abbas and his cronies love that flow of money that the poor peasants never see a penny of.

But more importantly, the last thing they want is a state. They can play “poor old me” better without it, especially when it comes to blaming Jews for every ill of their world.

How in the world can they blame the Jews if they have their own country? Every freaking country on this planet can vote FOR them and they won’t accept a state for themselves. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

On the contrary, once they have a state, the other Arab states that still seek Israel’s destruction will, at long last, make good on their pledges of financial support. And these days, the petro-economies of the Arab states is on much more solid footing than the US, EU or any of the other wallets of the West on which the PA relies now.

Oh, and how can they blame the Jews? The same way every other Arab state blames the Jews for everything.

8 sliv_the_eli  Sep 22, 2011 2:36:31pm

re: #6 Bob Levin

The main concern is the safety of those living in the cities that are around forty years old. The West Bank already has its own government, UN representation, flag, police force, courts, schools (sort of). There is going to have to be cooperation on water. They don’t have infrastructure and are highly dependent on foreign aid to steal for the day to day functioning of their government. And this last fact could change in a second.

I can easily see why the Israelis are in favor of this.

Mostly the majority of Israelis are in favor of this because, unlike the majority of Palestinians, they are content to get something less than everything if it means the mere possiblity of being allowed to live their lives in peace.


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