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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 14, 2016 • 9:44:12am

There was a scandal about the F-35 in Norway.

In December 2010 leaked United States diplomatic cables revealed that the USA decided to delay a request by Sweden for an AESA radar for the Gripen until after Norway had announced their decision to buy the F-35. The same cables indicated that Norwegian consideration of the Gripen “was just a show” and that Norway had decided to purchase the F-35 as a result of “high-level political pressure” from the US. Following the successful sale of the F-35 to Norway, US officials compiled a “lessons learned” memo that included a list of tactics for future sales to other countries. These included using the active involvement of the local US embassy and its ambassador to market the aircraft, coordinating sales strategies with Lockheed Martin and using diplomatic events to specifically talk about the F-35. These events could include ambassadorial luncheons with national people of influence as invited guests. The documents indicate that US officials were attempting to make the sale “without appearing to bully or attempt to force a decision.”

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Great White Snark  May 14, 2016 • 9:52:10am

re: #1 Ziggy_TARDIS

Well thanks for that info. Looking further now. Could I have a link?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 14, 2016 • 1:35:45pm

re: #2 Great White Snark

Yep!

Here’s the first on that section.

2nd is from a Swedish language source.

However, a Jalopnik Article notes something about the Danish Competition.

The Danish testing methods did not involve sending all three jets into the sky and seeing which could take the other two down or blow more stuff up first (a shame, I know.) The comparison was conducted hypothetically- with expert panels comparing the three jets’ functional abilities and economic models developed to tabulate lifecycle costs. Saab’s Gripen NG was initially on the short list as well, but retracted by Swedish authorities.

We are going of specs on Paper, which, as we are finding out, are no where near reality in regards to either of Lockheed’s Junk Birds.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 14, 2016 • 1:48:00pm

Also, in regards to the F-35, they are pulling an Aardvark, where they built the plane to do many jobs, but ended up doing few of them to a satisfactory level.

And no, this is not the Air Force’s Fault, as the Marines and Navy followed them.

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Romantic Heretic  May 14, 2016 • 3:51:09pm

I will repeat my personal hypothesis that aircraft should be designed for certain roles, like the A10. Multi-role means less-than-adequate at best.

Also weapons manufacturing is as much, or more, about economics than national defence. Which is why I believe that report Ziggy linked to. It will be very profitable for Lockheed to sell as many F35s as possible. Lockheed’s lobbyists will do all they can to make sure the US government throws its weight behind the deals.

Now thinking of this scene from the original Robocop.

robocop bathroom scene

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William Lewis  May 14, 2016 • 4:08:57pm

I’d be willing to bet that these results are costing Lockheed even more than the bribes it took to get the Germans to buy the F-104 widow maker back in the day.

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cinesimon  May 14, 2016 • 4:41:06pm

I wonder if the Scandinavians will insist that the F-35 actually perform as per the specs, or whether they’ll be politically pressured down the line into accepting whatever can be delivered - which seems clear is what happened during the Tory government of Canada’s ‘purchase’ after it became clear from testing that it would nowhere near meet spec..


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