re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg
I just tried it a few times myself with about a 50/50 success rate. My shorter height may explain why I was able to break even.
Hubby just did it and looked at me like I was nuts. “What was supposed to happen?” I ‘splained it to him.
He’s about 5’10” but is longer in the torso. Perhaps that’s why it was easy peasy for him.