re: #241 Wozza Matter?

No matter how many rationalisations are put out there - living through something like i’ve been describing where 90% of the polling was overturned and all the conventional wisdom was thrown out the window - thats a pretty damn scary thing.

When it comes down to it and you realise your friends and neighbours are willing to sacrifice your countries economic future on a stark yes/no - and they choose to completely tank your economy because they don’t like foreigners, it’s a big fucking deal.
Trump wants to tank your economy and get elected on the basis people dont like foreigners. I am living through it now and will be living through the consequences of it for decades. Families will be torn apart by what has happened here - good friends may have to leave, people who have made lives here in good faith and with every best will in the world to make the UK a better place.

So, I will beg indulgence that I don’t want to see that happen anywhere else. One of our tabloids ran a headline just yesterday about how long it would take to deport all EU migrants - not illegal immigrants, genuine EU citizens. It gets very nasty very fast.

Europeans are being beaten up on the streets - hate crimes are going through the roof, people are openly feeling legitimised in their hatred and bigotry. Once the lid comes off it’s really fucking bad.

Trump doesn’t even have to win to have that effect on discourse or actions, the open overt racsim is bubbling again at his rallies and on the fringes it’s even worse.

The UK is looking at a future where an iron curtain comes down and we send people back home, a lot of people back home - we are looking at reducing the number of refugees and migrants from all corners of the globe. Because it couldn’t happen here.

Friends I have known most of my life may be forced to leave, but it could never happen here. It did and it hurts like hell and its is incredibly raw and incredibly personal. I’m sorry if your offended.

I’m not offended. I actually understand your point. I’ve been worried about America turning fascist because some of our population gets too big for itself and starts to want to control too much. I’ve had that thought since Ronnie Reagan in 1980.

The fear of ‘others’ is the match that can start that fire that has been kindled for a long time. We have never been closer.

I made the comment because you didn’t need “allow us” in your comment. In a way it hurts your point. Passion is enough.

This board is passionate. And we have talked about it. We have been stumped why he has the polling and followers he has. It is right there staring at us. People are happy that Clinton did well last night. Maybe you read that as being a little too assured it is in the bag. I do not believe many here think that way, if any at all.

Plus we have many members that are every bit as cautionary as you are being. Maybe you haven’t caught it because you have not been following along.