Sal2: because you have it wrong. If you chart the lunar orbit, and know that it’s time for it to appear in your cloudless sky, and it’s not there, something has happened to the moon itself, not just your perception of it. And, as I said before, there had be a damned good explanation if it looks triangular or square. The in-itself whole cannot contradict the for-us part, or else our long-evolved perceptions would be undependable - but they ARE dependable; they got us here.

Sure, but a perception of a thing isn’t the thing. That’s why we have words like “illusion” and “hallucination” and “mistake”. It is baffling that you cannot see this simple fact.

I have. I have already mentioned how ostensibly dissimilar thigs such as language, music, gestures, visual arts, religious and political systems, etc., can all be understood as adhering to the same rules of mutation and propagation. And memes are as real as words. if you doubt their reality, try communicatig on LGF without them.

No, that’s argument by assertion again. language, music, gestures etc. have all been recognised to be learned, transmitted and changed for a looooong time. Lumping ‘em all together: show me the value.

: Moving your goal posts again, I see. First you say that I didn’t provide a defiition; now, when I reiterate it yet again, you say that it doesn’t matrter that I did.

I have consistently asked for an empirical definition. You came up with one: it did not prove to be a unitary entity. next.

That’s because you are synthetically myopic. You, for some bizarre reason, cannot figure out what value it is to unite various phenomena under a common rubric. Like biology and botany under genetics. Or relativity and quantum mechanics under a GUTOE.

Yeah, and you are a misunderstood Einstein. Or something. Alas for the world that it has such lumps as myself in it.

You were the one who was maintaining that there are as many african bushmen who get woodies off spying giraffe necks as their were teenyboppers who recognized dadadadum! from Roll Over Beethoven!

Well, that was certainly an interesting bit of creativity!