Belgian neofascists Vlaams Belang join with American pseudo-religio-fascists Scientology, in one of the most surreal moronic convergences you’ll ever see.
How much weirder is it going to get?
(Hat tip: MagnaniomousCoward.)
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MagnaniomousCoward Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:35:43pm |
Repost regarding political connections in america, from the previous thread:
re: #496 Jim in Virginia
Was Ron Paul there too?
No, but Scientology mailing lists and hangaround lists were telling their members to vote for Ron Paul, and to vote for certain candidates for other public office. They have a couple of PACs, most prominent ones called Citizens for Social Reform (CSRPAC) and Florida Citizens for Social Reform (FCSR), and the CCHR is closely linked to this. These emails have been leaked on wikileaks.
And through the National Foundation for Women Legislators, which isn't a pure Scientology group but highly influence by them, people like John Coale and Kelly Preston socialize with with Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, etc. and promote their anti-drug and anti-psychiatry stance.
Scientology likes Ron Paul because he'd let them pay less taxes and do their cult stuff without too much interference.
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JammieWearingFool Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:38:10pm |
Throw some RonPaulians in and we'll really have some fun.
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MagnaniomousCoward Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:38:26pm |
It comes from the documentary series Devoir d'enquête. The episode aired on January 23rd, and English subtitles have recently become available.
Apropos, I also recommend this French documentary from last year:
http://vimeo.com/1972151
"Scientologie"
66 minutes enquête, M6, 6. mai 2008
This video holds extra relevance for me as a Norwegian, as you might imagine.
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redc1c4 Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:38:26pm |
scientology makes Amway look like a bunch of kids selling brownies and lemonade in front of their parent's house.....
it's the ultimate scam, and you have to admire gall, even if it's being practiced by psychos.
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Sheepdogess Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:39:26pm |
I know, you've all seen it before, but it's still funny as hell!
[Link: www.zipperfish.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:39:34pm |
Hell, I didn't mind their obvious nazi like tendencies, but this is too much.
/
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daledog Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:39:48pm |
"Diuretics - the science of matter over mind."
~ Repo Man
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tradewind Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:40:25pm |
All you need to know about Scientology you can learn from South Park.
Chad and Trey have soo nailed 'em.
:)
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jaunte Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:40:26pm |
Fascist ideas are probably a good warning sign of a bad case of body thetans.
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Nevergiveup Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:40:27pm |
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solomonpanting Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:40:45pm |
Don't some European governments have problems with Scientology?
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tradewind Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:41:22pm |
re: #4 jcm
You have to admit, he wore it so comfortably........
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Noam Sayin' Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:41:30pm |
Charles, would you delete that post? I meant to write "comedy."
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researchok Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:41:50pm |
Now there's a match made in hell.
Look for VB to play the poor and noble oppressed victim card, just like Scientologists.
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ArmyWife Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:41:52pm |
re: #2 cronus
la la la la laaa ti di da so happy tooogethher!
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JammieWearingFool Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:42:08pm |
re: #10 Nevergiveup
They are evacuating Tiger Park in Detroit?
False alarm. Most fans left already since the Yankees are beating their brains in.
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Nevergiveup Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:42:42pm |
re: #24 JammieWearingFool
False alarm. Most fans left already since the Yankees are beating their brains in.
My kind of game.
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daledog Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:42:53pm |
Scientology reminds me of another recent creepy fad. You know, something about hope and something?
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ArmyWife Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:44:03pm |
re: #24 JammieWearingFool
hey - did you get Armywifealanched when my fan visited your site from mine? You can thank me off line. ;)
(I've only had one glass of wine, I swear)
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JammieWearingFool Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:44:06pm |
re: #27 Nevergiveup
My kind of game.
Haven't been able to enjoy many of these yet this year. Beats watching the media publicly fellate Obama.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:44:47pm |
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Clutch Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:45:09pm |
OT: Frank, what are you doing with that friendly middle finger?
(Be sure and check out the other photos at this link...)
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ronsfi Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:45:46pm |
How much weirder is it going to get?
Much, much weirder.
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JammieWearingFool Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:45:48pm |
re: #29 ArmyWife
hey - did you get Armywifealanched when my fan visited your site from mine? You can thank me off line. ;)
(I've only had one glass of wine, I swear)
Was that you?
That was a popular item yesterday. The Sitemeter is still wheezing.
Thanks for linking.
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van helsing Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:45:49pm |
re: #30 JammieWearingFool
Haven't been able to enjoy many of these yet this year. Beats watching the media publicly fellate Obama.
Was he at Up Your Alley?
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researchok Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:46:15pm |
There's a match made in hell.
Look for VB to assume the misunderstood, noble and oppressed victim, a la Scientologists.
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daledog Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:46:18pm |
re: #30 JammieWearingFool
Your post me me laugh.
fellate - such a gentle sounding word describing such and obscene act.
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brookly red Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:47:03pm |
re: #28 daledog
Scientology reminds me of another recent creepy fad. You know, something about hope and something?
Scientology gets you to give up your own money, the Hopey cult uses other peoples money. It is different.
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SummerSong Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:47:09pm |
Why didn't I know that Scientology had a PAC? I should have known....So much to keep track of. Thanks for keeping me informed, Charles.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:49:00pm |
"How can I overrun Europe and expel all the lower races?"
-Page 32
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daledog Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:49:09pm |
re: #39 brookly red
Also, the Hopey Cult has a veneer of respectability. That makes it all the more insidious.
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jcm Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:50:02pm |
re: #13 daledog
"Diuretics - the science of matter over mind."
~ Repo Man
If you don't mind, it don't matter.
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brookly red Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:50:13pm |
re: #42 daledog
Also, the Hopey Cult has a veneer of respectability. That makes it all the more insidious.
yeah? with who?
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:50:14pm |
Ethnic nationalists tend to favor cults, and with the VB and scientology both down on drugs- I can see the attraction.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:50:17pm |
If you want a list of Scientology front companies, go to...
[Link: www.everything2.org...]
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jcm Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:50:39pm |
re: #19 tradewind
You have to admit, he wore it so comfortably........
Haven't seen it, is it worthwhile?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:50:55pm |
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daledog Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:51:25pm |
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rain of lead Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:51:51pm |
sorry to go ot hehehehe
but this is just too good bwahaha
Reids Specter deal stirs Dems anger
hahaha
read the whole thing
snicker,snicker
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daledog Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:52:27pm |
re: #45 brookly red
With about 52% of the 'merican people sorry to say.
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MagnaniomousCoward Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:52:59pm |
re: #3 MagnaniomousCoward
Documentation about the Ron Paul support. I don't think these particular ones are on Wikileaks, but they might be. Here's a rapidshare PDF:
CCHR email leaks
To: "Psych Opponents"
Subject: Clearwater - Did you vote today? Tuesday Jan 29, 2008?
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:24:16 -0400
Tell all your Clearwater friends to vote today for Frank Hibbard - mayor.
And if you dislike mental screening of children and are registered
Republican - vote for Ron Paul for president!
From: "Mike Kaplan"
To:
Subject: Fw: RE-ELECT FRANK HIBBARD, MAYOR OF CLEARWATER
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:53:07 -0400
See below. Everyone in Clearwater MUST vote. Every vote will be needed to be
sure Hibbard gets re-elected. The alternative is Rita Garvey who is an SP.
From: "Mike Kaplan"
To:
Subject: Fw: Here's to the Crazy Ones
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:34:07 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Marla Filidei
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 4:51 PM
Subject: Here's to the Crazy Ones
All my peeps,
This was sent to me by Ron Paul's right hand man, who happens to be a very
close friend of mine. In fact I was on the plane with him when he told me --
Marla we're going for
the Presidency.
To me this video is about the Code of Honor.
So here's to the Pirates and the Bums, rebels...all.....
Pass it on.
[Link: ronpaul2008.typepad.com...]
From: "Mike Kaplan"
To:
Subject: Fw: FCSR Political Committee Voting Guide
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:50:16 -0400
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Steve Sigal=20
To: Steve Sigal =20
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: FCSR Political Committee Voting GuideFCSR Political Committee Voting Guide
January 29, 2008 BallotThe FCSR Political Committee makes no comment on the Presidential
Preference
Primary. Our recommendations for other issues follow:YES on the Property Tax Amendment.
After two years of legislative negotiation, this measure is at least a
positive step in the direction of more substantive property tax reform.NO regarding the continuation of the school district tax.
We recommended a NO vote in 2004 when this measure was first proposed
and see no compelling reason to now endorse the continuation of this tax.City of Clearwater
FRANK HIBBARD for Clearwater MayorReferendums
YES on Donation of Property for Workforce Housing
This measure provides the city with a small measure of flexibility to work with developers who want to provide lower cost housing.
(....)
More in the rapidshare. Note how one of their email lists don't endore a presidential primary candidate, for legal reasons, while the other promotres Ron Paul.
But it's not all on the right. Scietnology highly involved in National Foundation for Women Legislators. As I said, John Coale (Greta van Susteren's husband) and other celebrity Scientologists promote Scientology programs through the NFWL, to people like Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton.
It's quite bi-partisan this, even though they like less taxes and less government involvement in general, unless that government money goes to pay for Scientology "drug rehab".
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calcajun Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:53:55pm |
Don't laugh. Himmler tried to turn National Socialism into some half-baked pseudo-Norse religion. This ain't that far from it.
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zombie Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:54:56pm |
Yes, it can get weirder:
I'm seeing in the LGF sidebar an ad for Scientology!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:56:07pm |
re: #55 Shug
Thetans meet cretins
It's interesting that Scientology has bee successful in suing blog and other sources that even use their copywritten and trademarked terms like "Thetans."
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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:56:38pm |
re: #58 zombie
Yes, it can get weirder:
I'm seeing in the LGF sidebar an ad for Scientology!
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO ADJUST YOUR TELEVISION
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SummerSong Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:57:21pm |
re: #47 Walter L. Newton
If you want a list of Scientology front companies, go to...
[Link: www.everything2.org...]
Bookmarked!
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jaunte Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:59:02pm |
One reason fascists would be interested in the Scientology techniques; they like the idea of controlling others:
The studies done on mind control such as Scientology engages in shows that the techniques are frightenly simple and effective: any given human being can succumb to mind control given the proper treatment, and that treatment may be subtle and appear harmless. However, the studies also note that mind control is never 100% accomplished: the authentic self still resides inside, only it has been subverted by the cult.Techniques such as "Thought Stopping," which Scientology's "TRs" are designed to do, are in place to prevent reality testing by the cult-self. Prevention of reality testing is required to keep the authentic-self from reasserting itself; constant reprogramming is required to keep the cult-self dominate, least doubt and critical thinking abilities reassert.
[Link: www.holysmoke.org...]
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zombie Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:01:33pm |
So, just to lay out all the facts:
The ludicrously naive Flemish regional government hired Scientology front companies to give "training courses" to government employees, apparently unaware they were Scientology front companies -- and it turns out that Vlaams Belang politicians were the ones who shunted the contracts to Scientology? And that this was only recently discovered by the other government ministers? And that some leading Vlaams Belang members are actually Scientologists, but kinda-sorta try to downplay or hide that fact?
Did I get that right?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:01:50pm |
re: #58 zombie
Yes, it can get weirder:
I'm seeing in the LGF sidebar an ad for Scientology!
That's what happens with Google AdSense. It's all about the keywords.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:02:57pm |
L. Ron Hubbard is reliably reported to have boasted at a sci-fi conference, before witnesses, that he was going to found a religion because that was where the money was.
The sci-fi novel "heads" picks up on this, in thinly disguised form. Give Islam this much, it wasn't founded by a guy who planned to loot his own followers.
In fact, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 is good and 1 is bad, you just about have to put all the other religions pegging the 10 to get enough room to put Scientology at 1 and be fair to the relative scale of merits and demerits.
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solomonpanting Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:03:49pm |
"Publicly leaving the Church is a high crime."
Hmmm. Sounds like a religion of....of...peace.
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ArmyWife Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:04:00pm |
re: #64 Charles
sort of like saying "beetlejuice, beetlejuice, beetlejuice"?
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zombie Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:04:11pm |
re: #64 Charles
That's what happens with Google AdSense. It's all about the keywords.
I suspected as much.
If Google Ads doesn't build some sort of contextualization recognition software into its code, it will become even more irrelevant. It places too many ads promoting the exact opposite point of view of the topics being discussed.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:04:36pm |
Notice the new Scientology logo, featuring the 'i' transformed into a cross. They're going after disaffected Christians.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:07:11pm |
re: #68 zombie
If Google Ads doesn't build some sort of contextualization recognition software into its code, it will become even more irrelevant.
Much easier said than done; that would take serious artificial intelligence programming. Meanwhile, the Church of Scientology is obviously putting big money into placing ads on sites that mention them. Which imperative do you think will prevail?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:08:24pm |
Ah, I'm slow on the uptake but Scientology's "anti-drug" campaign is against medicine and vaccinations. Not sure what their opinion of recreational drugs is.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:09:21pm |
re: #69 Charles
Notice the new Scientology logo, featuring the 'i' transformed into a cross. They're going after disaffected Christians.
Hmm. Next they'll be targeting disappointed Darwinists. Expect to see little feet growing out of the "i".
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zombie Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:09:31pm |
re: #69 Charles
Notice the new Scientology logo, featuring the 'i' transformed into a cross. They're going after disaffected Christians.
Those people just will not quit.
I've had more than my fair share of personal confrontations with Scientology, so I don't like to talk about it much. Let's just say that my experiences were totally terrifying. In two different incidents, I actually feared for my life.
I was a naive young investigator, what can I say. I didn't realize the seriousness of what I was getting into. But a word of warning to anyone who thinks Scientology is simply a club of amusing kooks: Think again. They are a seriously scary mind-control cult and have no intention of backing down in their attempts to go mainstream.
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marwan's daughter Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:10:00pm |
Careful now Charles. These creeps have a policy known as Fair Game, written by their dear leader L. Ron back in 1968:
ENEMY-SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.
That means they can sue the living daylights out of you and destroy LGF and your whole life. May I present to you the example of Paulette Cooper for starters?
Honestly, the only thing the Scientologists don't have is bombs. That's the only thing that separates them from certain Islamic groups.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:10:16pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Ah, I'm slow on the uptake but Scientology's "anti-drug" campaign is against medicine and vaccinations. Not sure what their opinion of recreational drugs is.
Right-o.
Moronic convergence, part MDCCCXLXVIII.
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Gus Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:10:25pm |
If Scientology was an ordinary business selling a service they would have been shut down within weeks of its inception under guise of consumer protection and product liability.
Since the applied the word "Church" before their name they are effectively above the law in many respects. They are free to sell their fraudulent E-meters, books, and magical books under the protection of the government.
You could even get away with selling a stuffed toy animal that freely.
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zombie Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:10:50pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Ah, I'm slow on the uptake but Scientology's "anti-drug" campaign is against medicine and vaccinations. Not sure what their opinion of recreational drugs is.
Strongly against recreational drugs as well. And pharmaceutical drugs. And basically anything that doctors do.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:11:53pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Ah, I'm slow on the uptake but Scientology's "anti-drug" campaign is against medicine and vaccinations. Not sure what their opinion of recreational drugs is.
They sell a program to "help" but it's stupid.
According to the Scientology handbook, "Answers to Drugs," the core treatment for those who abuse drugs like marijuana, Ecstasy or cocaine is sweating out drug residuals and other toxins by taking saunas and jogging. Remedies also include the B-complex vitamin niacin, oils and other minerals, a detoxification service which "is available under expert supervision in Scientology organizations and missions around the world."
In the past year, thanks in part to a series of articles by Nanette Asimov in the San Francisco Chronicle, city officials and school districts in California have taken a closer look at the Narconon curriculum. In a letter to the San Francisco Unified School District, Steve Heilig, director of health and education for the San Francisco Medical Society, wrote: "One of our reviewers opined that 'this [curriculum] reads like a high school science paper pieced together from the Internet, and not very well at that.'" [Link: www.rickross.com...]
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theuglydougling Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:12:14pm |
This reminds me of that recent April Fool's story about Scientologists and Atheists coming together.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:13:03pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Ah, I'm slow on the uptake but Scientology's "anti-drug" campaign is against medicine and vaccinations. Not sure what their opinion of recreational drugs is.
I searched for their position on vaccinations, and found that it's left to the individual cult members.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:13:49pm |
re: #80 theuglydougling
This reminds me of that recent April Fool's story about Scientologists and Atheists coming together.
Is there a God in Scientology? Not that I've heard of.
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zombie Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:13:49pm |
re: #79 jaunte
Nanette Asimov is the last great investigative reporter at the SF Chronicle. She's one of the few reporters I actually admire and respect. She's blown open many interesting stories.
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calcajun Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:14:24pm |
re: #67 ArmyWife
sort of like saying "beetlejuice, beetlejuice, beetlejuice"?
Ahh--Don't say the "B" word!
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calcajun Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:15:12pm |
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jcm Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:15:19pm |
re: #82 OldLineTexan
Is there a God in Scientology? Not that I've heard of.
Money, other peoples money.
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calcajun Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:15:39pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:16:02pm |
re: #81 Sharmuta
Ah thanks. I recall they have a thing against psychiatric drugs and some medicines, I assumed that extended to vaccinations as well. Thanks for the fact check.
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jcm Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:18:10pm |
re: #92 calcajun
Next--in stereo!
Long time ago another lizard and I posted exactly he same thing with the same time stamp.
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MagnaniomousCoward Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:19:22pm |
re: #54 MagnaniomousCoward
More on Coale: He wrote a planning document for an earlier PAC called FLAG PAC. That one didn't come into being, but you can see the prototype for the groups they use/have today, like the CSRPAC, FCSR and CCHR, which try to hide the Scientology connection as best they can:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=71PO0WW4
A couple of choice quotes:
The purpose is to create a group which forwards the aims of Scientology and which can create power based on the principles outlined in the Aims of Scientology and the Creed. The PAC can be used to get Scientologists credible access to important political figures.
nice
One of the main objectives which we have been working towards is to create a group which could be easily identified by Scientologists without involving any blatantly Scientology terms (such as "dianetics"), and which is general enough to allow for participation by non Scientologists as well.
Coale confirmed that he wrote this plan when interviewed by Gawker (spit). Of course Gawker (spit) focused only on Sarah PAC, and how Coale was supposedly advising that, but they forgot all about Pelosi and Cliton et al. Gee, I wonder why. Maybe because Palin is one of the few republicans Coale supported publicly, and only after Hillary lost the primary? Anyone? Beuller?
Here's a picture of Bender, Pelosi, Coale and Preston (Travolta's wife) in an NFWL publication. taken from this screed about Scientology influence in the NFWL
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:19:41pm |
re: #90 Killgore Trout
Ah thanks. I recall they have a thing against psychiatric drugs and some medicines, I assumed that extended to vaccinations as well. Thanks for the fact check.
I wanted to know if they were on the anti-vax kick. They certainly have a problem with psych-drugs and modern psychology, but vaccinations don't seem to be a part of that. I wouldn't be surprised if they pick it up shortly though.
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tradewind Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:20:05pm |
re: #73 zombie
I'm telling ya, that South Park ep was spot on.
They killed Chef! The bastards!
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jaunte Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:21:56pm |
re: #97 Sharmuta
There is some discussion of scientologists targeting autism / vaccinations here:
[Link: leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk...]
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calcajun Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:22:55pm |
re: #100 jaunte
We're not that far from "we found a witch! May we burn her?"
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:24:04pm |
This article says scientologists do not recognize autism:
[Link: www.nowpublic.com...]
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MagnaniomousCoward Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:25:24pm |
re: #69 Charles
Notice the new Scientology logo, featuring the 'i' transformed into a cross. They're going after disaffected Christians.
Religious cloaking for purposes of avoiding taxes and FDA scrutiny for illegal practice of medicine. They still promise people to cure everything from depression to homosexuality to cancer.
For a time, Scientology auditors also wore priest collars.
The original Dianetics logo is a pyramid. They still use it when separating between Dianetics and Scientology.
The shape of the Scientology cross seems to come from the christian latin cross via the Rosy cross which again went via Aleister Crowley's OTO cult, where Hubbard was a member and practiced ritual sex magic. The Church of Scientology does not deny this, but claims Hubbard was infiltrating the OTO on behalf of the government. There is not evidence to support this. Hubbard was an intel officer in the navy for part of his carreer, but that involved such things as censoring the sailors' letters, not infiltrating cults.
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jcm Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:25:41pm |
re: #102 Sharmuta
This article says scientologists do not recognize autism:
[Link: www.nowpublic.com...]
Fair's fair, I don't recognize scientology.
*call me suppressive*
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MagnaniomousCoward Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:27:44pm |
re: #102 Sharmuta
This article says scientologists do not recognize autism:
[Link: www.nowpublic.com...]
They do not recognize any psychiatric, psychological or neurological illness or medication, and will try to even "handle" physical diseases like cancer with auditing. They have disclaimers on their websites saying to see a doctor, but every piles of undercover journalists have made recordings of such medical promises being given - also former Scientologists confirm this.
There are also some Scientology advertisement videos and fliers promoting that they cure disease.
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Sharmuta Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:28:05pm |
re: #100 jaunte
There is some discussion of scientologists targeting autism / vaccinations here:
[Link: leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk...]
Interesting. There's a lot of conflicting information out there on scientology and vaccinations, but according to beliefnet, the church doesn't have an official position, it leaves it up to the families:
[Link: www.beliefnet.com...]
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nyc redneck Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:29:02pm |
scientology is a ruthless money making cult. that's all it's abt. for them.
and now trying to go main stream and respectable. they entice and trap lonely people and basically use them as slaves to bring in money.
it is shocking that this outfit is so successful. i can't imagine why they would want to be part of vlamms belang except to hope for political clout.
of course vlamms belang would like to be part of the vast successful network of the cult.
how disgusting, really incredible that the lowest common denominators so easily find each other to further their unsavory desires.
scientology still has it's evil tentacles into a friend of mine. for over 25 yrs. he has been a low level grunt in this corrupt fake religion.
some people are so needy they invites the predators.
heartbreaking.
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mikalm Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:29:24pm |
re: #83 zombie
Nanette Asimov is the last great investigative reporter at the SF Chronicle. She's one of the few reporters I actually admire and respect. She's blown open many interesting stories.
I actually wrote her a fan email after her Narconon expose. Too bad her work gets buried under the mass of brain-dead twaddle foisted on us by the likes of Mark "Daddy Issues" Morford and Violet "Pearl Polisher" Blue.
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jaunte Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:30:11pm |
re: #106 Sharmuta
I thought this bit from that link was sort of typical of the CoS method of working any issue for the $:
There’s also significant Scientology representation amongst the law firms involved the autism/thiomersal litigation. For example, in June 2001 legal firm Baum Hedlund announced a class action lawsuit against thiomersal containing vaccine manufacturers as part of the now defunct Mercury Vaccine Alliance.Read more: [Link: leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk...]
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:31:09pm |
A while ago, I came up with a better science fiction religion than Scientology.
L. Ron Hubbard wasn't even such a good sci-fi writer if he couldn't.
(And I use the derogatory term sci-fi deliberately)
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Gus Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:32:22pm |
Any minute now someone should be posting:
Belief in climate change is about as moderate as belief in Scientology.
//
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:32:50pm |
re: #107 nyc redneck
Remember, Scientology was formed after L. Ron Hubbard was charged with practicing psychiatry without a license. He made it into a religion so he could practice Dianetics without needing FDA or AMA or whatever approval.
It is, as you say, nothing but a money-making machine.
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marwan's daughter Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:33:57pm |
re: #97 Sharmuta
I wanted to know if they were on the anti-vax kick. They certainly have a problem with psych-drugs and modern psychology, but vaccinations don't seem to be a part of that. I wouldn't be surprised if they pick it up shortly though.
In the early days of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbtard used to push fake cures for radiation poisoning and he even claimed that Scientology's e-meter (a machine hooked up to two metal cans that picks up on galvanic skin signals) could cure cancer and other diseases. Also, when Dianetics first made its debut, Hubbtard tried to sell it as an alternative science to psychology and medicine. When that fell flat, he chose the religion angle.
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mikalm Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:34:17pm |
I'm not surprised at the convergence of political extremism and religious cultism. In fact, there are such things as political cults -- ostensibly secular ideology-based organizations that have all the same features as spiritual cults, albeit without metaphysics.
Examples of such groups:
The LaRouchites
The Avakianites (Revolutionary Communist Party, etc.)
The Uhuru Movement (the charming folks who demonstrated on behalf of the four-notch cop-killer in Oakland)
The Fred Newman groups
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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:36:18pm |
re: #111 Gus 802
Any minute now someone should be posting:
Belief in climate change is about as moderate as belief in Scientology.
//
Climate change happens. AGW, OTOH, is an argument.
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Gus Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:38:22pm |
re: #115 OldLineTexan
Climate change happens. AGW, OTOH, is an argument.
Right. I was being sarcastic of course. Someone said "Belief in climate change is about as moderate as belief in creationism" in a previous thread.
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nyc redneck Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:39:58pm |
re: #112 Kosh's Shadow
Remember, Scientology was formed after L. Ron Hubbard was charged with practicing psychiatry without a license. He made it into a religion so he could practice Dianetics without needing FDA or AMA or whatever approval.
It is, as you say, nothing but a money-making machine.
it is a sin to call it a religion.
and it should be a crime.
i heard that when he published a book, he would send his minions out to
buy all the copies so it could get on the bestseller list.
they had the money to waste.
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Nemesis6 Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:40:03pm |
Ron is gone, but the con lives on.
We are anonymous, we are legion. We do not forgive, we do not forget. Expect us.
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mikalm Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:40:38pm |
re: #110 Kosh's Shadow
A while ago, I came up with a better science fiction religion than Scientology.
L. Ron Hubbard wasn't even such a good sci-fi writer if he couldn't.
(And I use the derogatory term sci-fi deliberately)
His book FEAR was pretty good, but it wasn't even "sci-fi" per se -- it was horror.
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MagnaniomousCoward Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:43:55pm |
re: #39 brookly red
Scientology gets you to give up your own money, the Hopey cult uses other peoples money. It is different.
They get tax money too. Watch the documentary Charles posted. They get money both through "Narconon" financed by local governments, in the US too, and grants for training through their business consultants. Then the Narconon buys vitamins, books etc. from Scientology and Scientologists, and percentages flow up the pyramid. Yes, our money is going to Scientology too.
And then you have the whole issue of them having a unique tax free course status which Jews and other people with religious education can't get a deduction for:
Sklar - Scientology Case Enters Critical Stage Before Ninth Circuit
A very Tea Party friendly site on the matter: http://www.taxthecult.com/
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mikalm Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:47:48pm |
re: #120 MagnaniomousCoward
As I said awhile back in another Scientology-related thread: they can't have it both ways. They can't claim to be a religion in order to avoid paying taxes, and then claim to be a profit-making business with proprietary "trade secrets" when their stuff gets leaked onto the Internet.
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MagnaniomousCoward Wed, Apr 29, 2009 8:04:07pm |
re: #121 mikalm
As I said awhile back in another Scientology-related thread: they can't have it both ways. They can't claim to be a religion in order to avoid paying taxes, and then claim to be a profit-making business with proprietary "trade secrets" when their stuff gets leaked onto the Internet.
They are actually having it THREE ways:
- Religion
- Secular non-profit where religions aren't allowed/good PR (Way to Happiness, CCHR etc., Dianetics foundations in countries where other religions aren't popular)
- Commercial business (WISE/U-man/Performia/etc.)
They will present whatever face they feel is best.
re: #79 jaunte
The California school district's opinion is one of the sources drawn on in the debate over Hawaii HR 358, authorizing the sending of convicts to secure drug treatment facilities. It was, apparently, a stealth way to get money to Scientology through Second Chance/Criminon/Narconon in New Mexico, but concerns were expressed and the bill may be amended to require the facility to be certified to a Hawaii standards - which would rule out Scientology drug treatment - if I understand correctly.
HR 358 bill status says it's been passed with amendments, and I hope they got the requirements in there.
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MagnaniomousCoward Wed, Apr 29, 2009 8:09:45pm |
And Charles isn't kidding about the fascism. Not only do they control their members with threats of disconnection and regular interrogations, as well as promising to exterminate psychiatry etc. L. Ron Hubbard advocated eliminating homosexuals, critics and other undesireable people:
Science of Survival by L. Ron Hubbard:
There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the tone scale, neither of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the tone scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.
Below 2.0 on the tone scale are considered to be about 20% of the population. Homosexuals and other "sexual deviants" are 1.1 on the tone scale. And 2.5% of the population are incurable SPs. Off to be disposed of!
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Nemesis6 Wed, Apr 29, 2009 8:16:52pm |
On an incurable SP, R2-45 is recommended: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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MagnaniomousCoward Wed, Apr 29, 2009 8:18:10pm |
re: #63 zombie
All except we don't know if Vlaams Belang were involved with getting the contracts, nor do we know if the VB guy is member or if he's just using Scientology like they're using the legitimate part of the anti-jihad movement.
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MagnaniomousCoward Wed, Apr 29, 2009 8:19:42pm |
re: #124 Nemesis6
R2-45 was ordered a few times a sa threat by L. Ron Hubbard yes, but not actually carried out against them. On the other hand, Scientologists have been known to use it on themselves as a way to end cycle when they get old and get reborn faster.
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guftafs Thu, Apr 30, 2009 2:06:12am |
re: #4 jcm
Tom Cruise liked the uniform from Valkyrie?
*groan* :)
Does this mean we have to endure another promo video from Tom? Loved Valkyrie, though.
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Sacred Plants Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:46:43am |
It´s a longterm investment scheme designed to take over Diyanet.
The world´s biggest organization of Islamic Imams has more employees than Microsoft, and its European headquarters are in Cologne.
Looks like the next DeWinter-Beisicht handshake will be polygraph approved.
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Flavia Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:24:35am |
re: #14 tradewind
All you need to know about Scientology you can learn from South Park.
Chad and Trey have soo nailed 'em.
While this is true, it's even better to catch the reminiscences of "First Fandom - people who were in the science fiction community - either reading or writing - when Hubbard was first starting out. The inside joke is that "Scientology is a bet made between Hubbard & Heinlein", but those who knew him better say that he was always going on about how stupid/gullible Americans were, and that "The best way to make a million dollars in this country is to start a new religion." About a year after he suddenly shut up about that, Scientology was born.
There is also a book - "Frauds & Fallacies" which contains a reporter's account of Hubbard's showcasing of the world's first "Clear" - someone who has had all their fears (? whatever they say is "blocking people from their greatest potential") removed, and, who, as a result, had all sorts of fantastic abilities - one being "eidetic memory". So the reporter in question stood up, asked the girl a question - which she answered. & then he covered his tie & said that since she'd been looking at him for a few minutes, she should know what color his tie was. And, to quote the book verbatim: "The world's first Clear had the world's worst mind blank." Mention that to a Scientologist if you want to be harassed for a few hours.
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Hhar Thu, Apr 30, 2009 5:56:27am |
I think they should check out the Raelians as well.
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Land Shark Thu, Apr 30, 2009 7:44:49am |
Oh man, not the freakin' Scientologists! A friend of mine went Scientologist back in the 80s and invited me to a meeting they were having to recruit new members. I didn't know anything about them so I went. Even in that meeting, where they soft pedal the nuttier aspects of the cult, it became "clear" to me they were money grubbing frauds and I wanted nothing to do with them. In spite of my telling them no I still kept receiving crap in the mail for months afterward asking me to return. And my friend bugged me for a while, but as he started to get more and more into it and becoming stranger, we drifted apart.
Years later I found out from common friends my Scientologist friend had wised up and left the cult. But those dickweeds harassed him so much he got a restraining order and wound up moving out of FLA.
Eurofascists and Scientologists? They go together, assholes of a feather and all that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:52:06am |
re: #69 Charles
Notice the new Scientology logo, featuring the 'i' transformed into a cross. They're going after disaffected Christians.
You know, if I were a disaffected Christian I think I might just become a Buddhist or something.
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Nemesis6 Thu, Apr 30, 2009 3:00:18pm |
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MagnaniomousCoward Fri, May 1, 2009 4:32:08pm |
The Hawaii HB358 has passed. Here's hoping it will work as it should, and not as a Scientology funding and recruitment scheeme.
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MagnaniomousCoward Mon, May 4, 2009 5:30:26pm |
Vlaams Belang's president Bruno Valkeniers and Johan Demol have issued a press release defending Demol's appearance in the Scientology film.
Johan Demol in anti-drugsfilmpje Scientology. Vlaams Belang licht toe
Charles: is it OK to link to their website?
They defend and stand by Demol's pseudo-anonymous appearance in the film on the grounds that
1: other politicians and public officials from around the world also appear in it.
2: Vlaams Belang criticizes the drug treatment of the current government
3: The anti-drug campaign is a totally different thing than Scientology
My response:
1: Public officials have been known to be tricked into such endorsements - have they contacted the other people and asked if they really knew what they were endorsing? Some people, like Jørgen Kosmo (defense minister of Norway) and the Swedish king were not even tricked, but just included as supporters without their consent. Apropos that Danish police officer Demol and Valkeniers are talking about, I recommend this Danish documentary.
2: Narconon can't be better than what the current government is doing. The Science shows that Narconon doesn't work, or at least hasn't been shown to work.
3: This is not true. This video is shown in Scientology events and Scientology buildings, and the Say No To Drugs Say Yes To Life and Narconon are under the full control of Scientology.
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MagnaniomousCoward Mon, May 4, 2009 6:51:31pm |
For future reference: The story was making the rounds on Belgian web news and blogs on April 21st, about a week before this LGF post, so the response was issued before LGF posted about it. I'll have a look and see if they have any reaction directly to the LGF post.
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