1 SpaceJesus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:21:30pm

the federation of galactic space deities hereby claims this

2 Kragar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:21:56pm

re: #1 SpaceJesus

the federation of galactic space deities hereby claims this

Heretic.

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:22:37pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heretic.

Don't worry. When the Death Star gets here, he'll back down fast enough.

4 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:22:57pm

I like the new pop up ads... getting a lot of "support Palin" ads... should help the GOP... and Charles.

5 Kragar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:23:16pm

re: #3 EmmmieG

Don't worry. When the Death Star gets here, he'll back down fast enough.

Unless he's got muppets, then you're toast.

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:23:49pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Unless he's got muppets, then you're toast.

Do they sing and play the bongos? I just had the new anti-bongo missiles installed.

7 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:25:14pm

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

I like the new pop up ads... getting a lot of "support Palin" ads... should help the GOP... and Charles.

Probably paid for by Obama and the Dems.

8 SpaceJesus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:25:16pm

that's no thread, that's a space station

9 Kragar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:25:50pm

re: #6 EmmmieG

Do they sing and play the bongos? I just had the new anti-bongo missiles installed.

HAHA! Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!

Wait...

10 Linden Arden  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:26:48pm

I see over on the LGF Pages that Pastor Eddie Long is making the news - but did anyone see this quote from him?

Sex certainly seems to lie at the heart of the Bishop's message. “God is potent. The word of God is his sperm,” he shouts in a clip you can see on YouTube, and “the job of the preacher is to bring fresh sperm”.

link to Pastor Long quotes.

Way too strange for the regular media...

11 darthstar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:31:31pm

ooh, fun! Meg's got a "talk to Meg" website...just posted my first message of encouragement to her:

Don't let your undocumented worker problem get you down, Meg!
Here's what I wrote for those who don't want to have to visit (I think I was most supportive):

Don't worry! It's not going to cost you the election. It's only a minor bump in the road. Your real problem is appearing in debates next to the smart and witty Jerry Brown. He's unapologetic because he actually loves this state and wants what's best for it. That's what's going to cost you the election. Nobody actually believes you care about California. Jerry does.

But it's cool. You've pumped 120 million dollars into our economy, and we do thank you for that.

12 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:33:09pm

Alton Brown Calls Man v Food Gluttonous and "Disgusting"

I couldn't agree more but Alton needs to whip the Food Network into shape. Last time I watched it was mostly shows about inedible cakes and sugar sculptures.

13 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:33:09pm

re: #1 SpaceJesus

14 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:35:35pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Alton Brown Calls Man v Food Gluttonous and "Disgusting"

I couldn't agree more but Alton needs to whip the Food Network into shape. Last time I watched it was mostly shows about inedible cakes and sugar sculptures.

Alton Brown is one of the only food show people I can watch, him and the (amazing) Anthony Bourdain, they're about it

15 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:39:44pm

re: #14 WindUpBird

Alton Brown is one of the only food show people I can watch, him and the (amazing) Anthony Bourdain, they're about it

I switched to watching food shows from the UK. They do a much better job than here in the states.

16 shutdown  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:40:37pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Alton Brown Calls Man v Food Gluttonous and "Disgusting"

I couldn't agree more but Alton needs to whip the Food Network into shape. Last time I watched it was mostly shows about inedible cakes and sugar sculptures.

I agree. Any one of these shows that glorifies overeating and wastefulness disgusts me. I feel the same way about competitive eating, e.g. the hot dog eating contests, etc.

17 tradewind  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:41:10pm

Congress tells Colbert: ' You're Dead To Us'.
Evidently, Power no longer speaking to Truthiness./
[Link: www.politico.com...]

18 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:42:30pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

I switched to watching food shows from the UK. They do a much better job than here in the states.

I still miss the original Iron Chef series from Japan. Now there was a food show worth watching!

19 tradewind  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:42:41pm

re: #14 WindUpBird
Alton is hilarious, and so fun to watch. He's more a food historian than chef, seems to me, but entertaining.

20 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:43:00pm

re: #16 imp_62

I agree. Any one of these shows that glorifies overeating and wastefulness disgusts me. I feel the same way about competitive eating, e.g. the hot dog eating contests, etc.

Competitive eating makes me nauseous. I can't change the channel fast enough.

21 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:43:39pm

re: #18 Surabaya Stew

I still miss the original Iron Chef series from Japan. Now there was a food show worth watching!

That was a classic. The voiceovers were hilarious.

22 tradewind  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:44:16pm

re: #10 Linden Arden
Ewwww.

23 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:44:16pm

re: #19 tradewind

Alton is hilarious, and so fun to watch. He's more a food historian than chef, seems to me, but entertaining.

Watch his shows where he's talking about the science behind making gourmet food work, that's what makes me a fan, he's almost like an engineer who moved to an art form and brought his engineering chops with him

24 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:44:59pm

re: #17 tradewind

Congress tells Colbert: ' You're Dead To Us'.
Evidently, Power no longer speaking to Truthiness./
[Link: www.politico.com...]

Aww, the poor babies in Congwess can't handle Colbert...

25 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:45:31pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

That was a classic. The voiceovers were hilarious.

Why was there often a fortune teller as one of the judges?!?

A FORTUNE TELLER!

Also, whenever they had some petite bubbly Japanese model, they always had the same painful little-girl dubbing and forced giggle-laughter, which of course my friends and I would latch onto and use for everything

26 tradewind  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:45:54pm

re: #11 darthstar
Moonbeam may love the state, but Meg could fix it.

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:46:57pm

re: #10 Linden Arden

I see over on the LGF Pages that Pastor Eddie Long is making the news - but did anyone see this quote from him?

link to Pastor Long quotes.

Way too strange for the regular media...

Well. There it is.

28 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:47:00pm

re: #26 tradewind

Moonbeam may love the state, but Meg could fix it.

Whoever becomes guv has to start with this, because it's why the state is broken: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

29 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:47:20pm

re: #28 WindUpBird

Whoever becomes guv has to start with this, because it's why the state is broken: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Bingo!

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:47:54pm

re: #19 tradewind

Alton is hilarious, and so fun to watch. He's more a food historian than chef, seems to me, but entertaining.

I like the science angle of what he does. When he shows you a recipe you understand what you're doing on a chemical level, and why you follow the steps you do.

31 tradewind  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:48:16pm

re: #24 Varek Raith
Really, I think they should have kept him on for a while. They'll get yanked back to serious reality in a month or so.... might as well have fun while they can.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:48:28pm

re: #26 tradewind

Moonbeam may love the state, but Meg could fix it.

I remain unconvinced.

33 tradewind  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:48:53pm

re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist
He's a great wordsmith.

34 stevemcg  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:49:57pm

Anybody catch this last night?

[Link: theclicker.todayshow.com...]

I couldn't believe my eyes. I can't imagine howmuch time they could have had to rehearse it. Is there any doubt that Jimmy Fallon has the best show on late night?

35 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:50:35pm

re: #29 Varek Raith

Bingo!

And of course the conservative ideologues here who think sabotaging the democratic process in California (which is what that prop does) brings them what they want, they'll make up reasons why it should be left in place ignoring the fact that it is designed to break the system and wound the rest of california for the benefit of people with insanely valuable real estate

36 tradewind  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:53:18pm

re: #28 WindUpBird
Yeah, has nothing to do with the state pensions, public sector union obligations, other above-average-in-cost entitlements, and shouldering the burden of health care and educational demands from undocumented persons who are not on the income tax rolls?
It's all that Prop thing.
Got'cha.

37 calochortus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:54:55pm

re: #26 tradewind

Moonbeam may love the state, but Meg could fix it.

An NPR caller made an interesting point about Meg's business experience. Its fine as far as it goes, but she ran a rapidly expanding company in a new and hence wide-open field. That is not the current state of California. We need a turn-around specialist and that requires a completely different skill set.

38 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:55:26pm

Okay it's sitting on pins and needles at RWC HQ. Dragon_Lady was out shopping with her mom, who felt dizzy. Got Real Bad fast. So off to ER. Now being rushed into ICU for a pacemaker. Lower heart not working right, upper is fine. D_L is there, likely for the night.

39 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:55:26pm

re: #35 WindUpBird

And of course the conservative ideologues here who think sabotaging the democratic process in California (which is what that prop does) brings them what they want, they'll make up reasons why it should be left in place ignoring the fact that it is designed to break the system and wound the rest of california for the benefit of people with insanely valuable real estate

It doesn't sabotage the democratic process in California worse than the gerrymandered perma-majority in both houses of the state legislature has.

40 tradewind  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:55:36pm

re: #35 WindUpBird

it is designed to break the system and wound the rest of california for the benefit of people with insanely formerly valuable real estate


FTFY.

41 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:55:53pm

BBL

42 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:56:04pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

Okay it's sitting on pins and needles at RWC HQ. Dragon_Lady was out shopping with her mom, who felt dizzy. Got Real Bad fast. So off to ER. Now being rushed into ICU for a pacemaker. Lower heart not working right, upper is fine. D_L is there, likely for the night.

Prayers for your MIL.

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:56:10pm

re: #36 tradewind

Yeah, has nothing to do with the state pensions, public sector union obligations, other above-average-in-cost entitlements, and shouldering the burden of health care and educational demands from undocumented persons who are not on the income tax rolls?
It's all that Prop thing.
Got'cha.

OK, trade, remind me where you live again.

44 tradewind  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:56:48pm

Out for a run.
I hope CA gets it together..... such a gorgeous place, from one end to the other.

45 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:56:53pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, trade, remind me where you live again.

Conservotopia.

46 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:57:24pm

Video of Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa hit by tear gas during protest:

[Link: cnn.mx...]

47 calochortus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:58:32pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

I hope all is well with DL.

Meanwhile back at the conversation:
Prop 13 is a problem, but it was a response to preexisting problems. It did not emerge fully formed from the head of Zeus, or a vacuum.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:00:03pm

re: #47 calochortus

I hope all is well with DL.

Meanwhile back at the conversation:
Prop 13 is a problem, but it was a response to preexisting problems. It did not emerge fully formed from the head of Zeus, or a vacuum.

True. I've got issues with it, though. As an educator...:(

49 tradewind  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:00:29pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist
TN.
No state income tax, balanced budget.//

Of the 50 states and D.C., Tennessee places 51st in total debt according to NPR.[1]


[Link: sunshinereview.org...]
OTOH, we got no beach, and last winter was crappy cold./
..Really out.

50 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:00:58pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

{{{RWC}}}

51 calochortus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:01:25pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

True. I've got issues with it, though. As an educator...:(

I've got issues with it too. OTOH, we couldn't stay here without it.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:01:42pm

re: #49 tradewind

TN.
No state income tax, balanced budget.//


[Link: sunshinereview.org...]
OTOH, we got no beach, and last winter was crappy cold./
..Really out.

OK. Would you like to explain why you feel so well informed about my state's finances, and so secure dismissing 'the Prop thing' as a possible source of fiscal trouble?

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:04:44pm

re: #51 calochortus

I've got issues with it too. OTOH, we couldn't stay here without it.

As a renter, I guess it's easier for me to be all of one mind.

54 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:06:36pm

re: #46 wrenchwench

Video of Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa hit by tear gas during protest:

[Link: cnn.mx...]

Wow. What a mess.

55 calochortus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:10:17pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure it is. I have some problems with property taxes as a category. I understand taxes to pay for services, and I know they are viewed by governments as a stable source of funding, but it seems cruel to make people leave their (fully owned and paid for) homes if their taxes go up, or their income falls. There are many shades of gray in most issues...

56 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:11:07pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Wow. What a mess.

The police set off the tear gas. I'm surprised the president felt safe enough to go there.

Colombia and Peru have closed their borders with Ecuador.

57 Kragar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:13:21pm

Just got the call back from the school. They're going to have an inital IEP plan set up for her by the end of next week and they'll be doing a full assessment from there within 60 days. Once I have their data, I can take that in to the Dr under my health benefits and they can attempt to diagnose ADD or other disabilities and come up with treatment from there.

58 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:13:46pm

Towercam with cumulus cloud and its shadow.

San Gabriel Mountains, etc.

• • •

Politics rots your brain.

59 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:14:44pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

Okay it's sitting on pins and needles at RWC HQ. Dragon_Lady was out shopping with her mom, who felt dizzy. Got Real Bad fast. So off to ER. Now being rushed into ICU for a pacemaker. Lower heart not working right, upper is fine. D_L is there, likely for the night.

RWC - hoping all is well and thought's for your Mother-in-Law, you , D_L and family.

60 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:16:16pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

Would you like some hail marys or some push ups?

61 Kragar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:17:52pm

Off to brave the wet roads.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:18:42pm

BTW, I'm not saying that comment from non-Californians is not welcomed. I'm just getting a little suspicious about the number of people who don't live here and seem to know a LOT about exactly what is wrong with California--and it always seems to have to do with unions and illegal immigrants.

I don't know JACK about Texas' fiscal woes. Probably because the media I read doesn't care to indoctrinate me about them.

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:18:53pm

re: #59 Ericus58

RWC - hoping all is well and thought's for your Mother-in-Law, you , D_L and family.

Indeed.

64 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:20:35pm

re: #59 Ericus58

RWC - hoping all is well and thought's for your Mother-in-Law, you , D_L and family.

I second this.

65 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:20:42pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Well I live in Ca. & one problem is we have an electorate that indulges in wishful financial thinking & passes lots of bond propositions.

Or has 'till now.

66 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:21:55pm

re: #45 Varek Raith

Conservotopia.

Are the trains always on time?

/

67 calochortus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:22:37pm

re: #65 Ojoe

All you have to do is have a good cause and promise not to fund the item in question (bond issue-"this will not raise your taxes") and people seem to love it. Hello-if you spend money, it has to come from somewhere.

68 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:23:40pm

re: #66 Gus 802

Are the trains always on time?

/

Minor delays when the RINOs are tossed under.

69 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:24:39pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, I'm not saying that comment from non-Californians is not welcomed. I'm just getting a little suspicious about the number of people who don't live here and seem to know a LOT about exactly what is wrong with California--and it always seems to have to do with unions and illegal immigrants.

I don't know JACK about Texas' fiscal woes. Probably because the media I read doesn't care to indoctrinate me about them.

That's like telling someone that's really sick (long term now) that all they need to do is take vitamins and eat better. That is it's an oversimplification that's been drilled into peoples heads that the only reason California is faced with fiscal problems is because of illegal immigrants and unions. Now, I know this isn't popular but I think it's because of Prop. 13.

70 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:24:51pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, I'm not saying that comment from non-Californians is not welcomed. I'm just getting a little suspicious about the number of people who don't live here and seem to know a LOT about exactly what is wrong with California--and it always seems to have to do with unions and illegal immigrants.

I don't know JACK about Texas' fiscal woes. Probably because the media I read doesn't care to indoctrinate me about them.

Each state may have a common issue that they face - namely big deficits and diminishing revenue's. But each has a different path for the most part on how they got to that position.

For the most part, there is no "prime" culprit. Nor is it to just one Governor or party in control.
But in tackling and overcoming their funding crisis's, it will call for compromise and hard choices.

Just like we personally have to make choices in our own budgets - there are "wants" and then there are "needs". Getting everyone to agree on just the "needs" will be tough enough.

71 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:26:35pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

Minor delays when the RINOs are tossed under.

"..... hey! How did I get tied up in this rope.... and why the hell is my pillow some hard length of iron?!?!"

72 darthstar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:26:51pm

re: #26 tradewind

Moonbeam may love the state, but Meg could fix it.

She'd fuck it up faster than you could defend her.

73 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:27:00pm

re: #69 Gus 802

Oops. I went ahead and generalized too. It's not only because of Prop. 13.

74 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:30:32pm

re: #72 darthstar

She'd fuck it up faster than you could defend her.

Come on. As soon as she's sworn into office every elected official in Sacramento is going to love her. They will all be at her beckoning call. Plus since she's so experienced in dealing with labor issues after being a CEO of non-union Ebay her ability to negotiate with labor will be unprecedented.

//

75 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:30:35pm

When I gave my little college graduation speech in 1980, because I had received some taxpayer-funded assistance, I thanked all the taxpayers except the ones who voted for Prop 13. Then my dad tried to 'splain why he had found it necessary to vote for it.

76 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:33:11pm

People voted for Prop 13 because "the power to tax is the power to destroy.'

77 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:33:39pm

Greeting from Joplin MO. Winston and I are almost to Oklahoma..
Long day on the Road and I got a speeding ticket today...

78 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:34:47pm

re: #76 Ojoe

People voted for Prop 13 because "the power to tax is the power to destroy.'

Well, all I know is that people are sitting in mansions (you know like Pacific Heights) paying less in property taxes then some family living in a 1 story ranch in Rancho Cucamonga.

79 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:35:59pm

re: #1 SpaceJesus

the federation of galactic space deities hereby claims this

Best enjoy it while you can, because on July 5, 1998, the REAL space deities are coming.

80 calochortus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:36:01pm

re: #78 Gus 802

And let's not get into the question of corporate properties and their tax rates.

81 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:36:21pm

re: #80 calochortus

And let's not get into the question of corporate properties and their tax rates.

Was that included too?

82 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:36:22pm

re: #78 Gus 802

That would be some of the people in Pacific Heights, the ones who haven't moved for a long time. If you sell your house, the property is reassessed for the new buyer.

83 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:37:50pm

re: #77 HoosierHoops

Greeting from Joplin MO. Winston and I are almost to Oklahoma..
Long day on the Road and I got a speeding ticket today...

was the LEO wearing those large aviator reflective sunglasses?
I feel ya, Bro.

84 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:37:55pm

re: #82 Ojoe

That would be some of the people in Pacific Heights, the ones who haven't moved for a long time. If you sell your house, the property is reassessed for the new buyer.

Sure. It applies to everyone. Still, seems kind of weird that some heir to the Hearst family living in some mansion in Pacific Heights is paying property taxes circa 1975 (more or less).

85 calochortus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:38:37pm

re: #81 Gus 802

Absolutely, and since business properties tend to change hands less often than residential, businesses are once again big winners.

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:39:10pm

re: #65 Ojoe

Well I live in Ca. & one problem is we have an electorate that indulges in wishful financial thinking & passes lots of bond propositions.

Or has 'till now.

Damn skippy.

87 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:39:19pm

re: #65 Ojoe

Well I live in Ca. & one problem is we have an electorate that indulges in wishful financial thinking & passes lots of bond propositions.

Or has 'till now.

I continue to hear that it's problem is that it requires fewer votes to raise spending than it does to raise taxes.

Anyone else see that as a problem?

88 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:39:31pm

re: #84 Gus 802

You could think of it as a bonus for social stability, which is a good thing, long term neighborhoods, etc.

89 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:40:18pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

Damn skippy.

Peanut butter?
WHERE

90 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:40:28pm

re: #88 Ojoe

You could think of it as a bonus for social stability, which is a good thing, long term neighborhoods, etc.

Well, it could have been done on a sliding scale. Maybe it was. I doubt it though.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:40:46pm

re: #74 Gus 802

Come on. As soon as she's sworn into office every elected official in Sacramento is going to love her. They will all be at her beckoning call. Plus since she's so experienced in dealing with labor issues after being a CEO of non-union Ebay her ability to negotiate with labor will be unprecedented.

//

I'm eternally suspicious of the 'I can fix the goverment--I'm a business maven!' theory.

Although I must buy it to some extent, because I trust Whitman more than Fiorina, whose business record is sort of...uhhhh.

92 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:41:07pm

re: #89 Varek Raith

We thought it would be smooth here in California, but we are finding out that it is crunchy.

93 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:41:08pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

Competitive eating makes me nauseous. I can't change the channel fast enough.

Remember when Wesley Crusher Gordie Lachance told us that story about Lardass Hogan? Those were the days.

94 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:42:05pm

re: #89 Varek Raith

Peanut butter?
WHERE

Why, inside my BLT of course!!!

95 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:42:27pm

re: #83 Ericus58

was the LEO wearing those large aviator reflective sunglasses?
I feel ya, Bro.

Very nice State Cop.. We chatted for a while about moving to Oklahoma...
Then he wrote me a ticket.. LOL

96 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:42:56pm

Back to the drafting board for me. BBL.

97 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:43:22pm

Oh, good, an open thread.

I need some help.

Using one of those places that provide templates for websites, I set up a website for our upcoming class reunion so that people could sign on and get news - this particular website allows me to send an e-mail blast to all registered users when there's news, and also allows me to set up paypal and a registration form for people to register for the reunion. I'm not using a free version, I paid for the website.

There are several folks who have been unable to register for some reason.

Either they register and never get a confirmation e-mail.
Or they register, get a confirmation e-mail, and are still unable to log in, request another confirmation e-mail, respond to it, over and over.

I contacted the support folks.

They've told me to click the "invite to complete profile" button for those whose registrations are not complete. Only one person whose had a problem shows up on the members registry; the others who have been unable to register don't even show up on the members registry.

When I click the "invite to complete profile" for the one person, I get a blank page, instead of the page I should get where I can choose who to invite, and write a message. I sent them a screen cap of the blank page that I get.

Now they're telling me that they cannot understand what my problem is, I'm not clear.

Is there anyone here who can tell me what it is, exactly, I need to tell them and what words I should use?

98 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:43:28pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm eternally suspicious of the 'I can fix the goverment--I'm a business maven!' theory.

Although I must buy it to some extent, because I trust Whitman more than Fiorina, whose business record is sort of...uhhh.

For sure. And seriously. Ebay? That's like an internet phenomenon. They happened to be in the right place at the right time. It's like the Pet Rock of capitalism with a good business model. Or Google trading at $400 a share. That's still a joke. Overvalued and overhyped even though it's a decent company. Wiki says Ebay employs 14,000 people. Doing what? Call centers? Do they have call centers in Bangalore?

99 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:44:54pm

re: #95 HoosierHoops

Very nice State Cop.. We chatted for a while about moving to Oklahoma...
Then he wrote me a ticket.. LOL

Haha, nice!
Ah, the best way to get a ticket.... leaves you with turd after he polished it all up for ya!

State Troopers are the best, I will say that.

100 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:44:55pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm eternally suspicious of the 'I can fix the goverment--I'm a business maven!' theory.

Although I must buy it to some extent, because I trust Whitman more than Fiorina, whose business record is sort of...uhhh.

Oh, and their business records are less than stellar. Especially Fiorina's. Can't say I'm a big fan of Boxer anymore -- I was way back early in her career.

101 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:45:42pm

re: #97 reine.de.tout


Is there anyone here who can tell me what it is, exactly, I need to tell them and what words I should use?

Yes, but I'm not sure you'd be comfortable using those words in mixed company.

102 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:46:16pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm eternally suspicious of the 'I can fix the goverment--I'm a business maven!' theory.

Although I must buy it to some extent, because I trust Whitman more than Fiorina, whose business record is sort of...uhhh.

It doesn't work.
Government is not business. What works for business, does NOT work for an efficiently run government. Some things do, of course, good supervision, good training, etc.

But we've had any number of businessmen running for office, saying the gov't needs to be run like a "bidness", and they are wrong, wrong, wrong.

103 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:47:20pm

re: #101 Renaissance_Man

Yes, but I'm not sure you'd be comfortable using those words in mixed company.

I'm so aggravated, I'll do anything, I"m ready to give them a major rant.

The last response I got back from them was ugly - it's not anything on OUR end, they said.

Well, then, WTF is it?

*sigh*

Was my problem unclear?

104 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:47:51pm

re: #102 reine.de.tout

It doesn't work.
Government is not business. What works for business, does NOT work for an efficiently run government. Some things do, of course, good supervision, good training, etc.

But we've had any number of businessmen running for office, saying the gov't needs to be run like a "bidness", and they are wrong, wrong, wrong.

Well said.

Likewise I can't stand people who think "austerity measures" are the answer to everything as people fail to realize there's a difference betwen micro and macro economics.

105 calochortus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:48:15pm

re: #102 reine.de.tout

Yup. Being a business person doesn't disqualify one from running for office, but it doesn't impress me.

Meanwhile, I'd better go figure out what to make for dinner tonight. I do not feel inspired.

106 darthstar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:48:34pm
107 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:49:12pm

re: #98 Gus 802

For sure. And seriously. Ebay? That's like an internet phenomenon. They happened to be in the right place at the right time. It's like the Pet Rock of capitalism with a good business model. Or Google trading at $400 a share. That's still a joke. Overvalued and overhyped even though it's a decent company. Wiki says Ebay employs 14,000 people. Doing what? Call centers? Do they have call centers in Bangalore?

Ebay has stream lined the process of exposure, payment, and communication. It is like buttah.

108 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:49:14pm

re: #106 darthstar

Heh...

Image: enthusiasmgap.png

///The internet has a liberal bias!

109 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:50:44pm

re: #102 reine.de.tout

It doesn't work.
Government is not business. What works for business, does NOT work for an efficiently run government. Some things do, of course, good supervision, good training, etc.

But we've had any number of businessmen running for office, saying the gov't needs to be run like a "bidness", and they are wrong, wrong, wrong.

It's hit and miss. A business leader may be a good political leader. Or they may not. People do that with former businesspeople or historically with former generals. I am reminded of this fascination with General Petraeus that some people have. Sure, he's a good general on the war front but that doesn't mean a thing regarding his ability to lead the country. His experience has been limited to the military and as a general. That may or may not transfer easily into a presidency. Let alone if he even has any interest which I highly doubt.

110 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:51:12pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Although I must buy it to some extent, because I trust Whitman more than Fiorina, whose business record is sort of...uhhh.

[Link: carlyfailorina.com...]

111 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:51:19pm

Iran's Navy is getting weirder....

Iran unveils squadrons of flying boats

Video here

112 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:52:11pm

re: #109 Gus 802

It's hit and miss. A business leader may be a good political leader. Or they may not. People do that with former businesspeople or historically with former generals. I am reminded of this fascination with General Petraeus that some people have. Sure, he's a good general on the war front but that doesn't mean a thing regarding his ability to lead the country. His experience has been limited to the military and as a general. That may or may not transfer easily into a presidency. Let alone if he even has any interest which I highly doubt.

You're correct, it's hit or miss, I didn't really mean to imply otherwise.

But any politician who comes out and says, "We need to run the government like we run business!", should be avoided at all costs, IMO.

Some businessmen fully understand the difference between gov't and business. The ones who say things like the above, usually do not.

113 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:52:34pm

re: #103 reine.de.tout

I'm so aggravated, I'll do anything, I"m ready to give them a major rant.

The last response I got back from them was ugly - it's not anything on OUR end, they said.

Well, then, WTF is it?

*sigh*

Was my problem unclear?

Without knowing anything about the system you're using, I'd say you're being clear.

114 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:52:46pm

re: #107 prairiefire

Ebay has stream lined the process of exposure, payment, and communication. It is like buttah.

Yeah. You use PayPal. PayPal takes your money. Lets it sit in their bank for several days until they finally pay you. Nice system they have going there. They're getting million in "mini-loans" every day and using the excuse of the banks for the delay. Electronic transfers are really instant and should only take seconds.

115 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:52:47pm

re: #42 EmmmieG

Thank you very much. Modern medicine is darn good. We have faith on a couple levels.

116 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:53:32pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Iran's Navy is getting weirder...

Iran unveils squadrons of flying boats

Video here

You know What the US Navy calls those flying boats?
Targets

117 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:54:06pm

re: #116 HoosierHoops

You know What the US Navy calls those flying boats?
Targets

What a waste of a lawnmower engine.

118 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:54:21pm

re: #112 reine.de.tout

You're correct, it's hit or miss, I didn't really mean to imply otherwise.

But any politician who comes out and says, "We need to run the government like we run business!", should be avoided at all costs, IMO.

Some businessmen fully understand the difference between gov't and business. The ones who say things like the above, usually do not.

Oh, very true. The opposite would be like trying to run a business like a government entity.

119 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:54:41pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Iran's Navy is getting weirder...

Iran unveils squadrons of flying boats

Video here

Hey!
I saw something like that at the local RC shop!
/

120 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:54:45pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Those things don't look like they could take off or land if the seas are any higher than a foot.

121 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:54:51pm

re: #114 Gus 802

Yeah. You use PayPal. PayPal takes your money. Lets it sit in their bank for several days until they finally pay you. Nice system they have going there. They're getting million in "mini-loans" every day and using the excuse of the banks for the delay. Electronic transfers are really instant and should only take seconds.

You're right, of course, about paypal.
But honestly - for the convenience paypal offers - I don't mind if they keep the $ for a few days.

122 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:55:14pm

re: #106 darthstar

Heh...

Image: enthusiasmgap.png

A Twitter account following 713,235 users would be as near to unusable as makes no odds.

123 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:55:52pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Iran's Navy is getting weirder...

Iran unveils squadrons of flying boats

Video here

Oh that's funny. Runaway! Runaway! They need to have monkeys flying those.

124 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:56:22pm

re: #96 Ojoe

Back to the drafting board for me. BBL.

Have you found arch. work? If so, congrats.

125 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:56:50pm

re: #114 Gus 802

Is that because of you feedback?

126 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:57:38pm

re: #123 Gus 802

Oh that's funny. Runaway! Runaway! They need to have monkeys flying those.

Ph34r my leet tanks!
Image: 1895&Car.jpg

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:57:39pm

re: #123 Gus 802

Oh that's funny. Runaway! Runaway! They need to have monkeys flying those.

They're kind of cute. I can see a housewife in Montana or someplace having one to run errands in.

128 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:57:51pm

re: #125 prairiefire

Is that because of you feedback?

No. I don't sell anything on Ebay. Maybe it is my bank I don't know. First time someone sent me money it took almost 5 days. I couldn't believe it.

129 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:57:57pm

re: #121 reine.de.tout

You're right, of course, about paypal.
But honestly - for the convenience paypal offers - I don't mind if they keep the $ for a few days.

BTW..With your Web issue.. Ask Tech support what version of Java you need on your computer...You may need to upgrade... We have the same issues rendering Oracle views on the web

130 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:59:05pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Iran's Navy is getting weirder...

Iran unveils squadrons of flying boats

Video here

US Navy unveils flying boat countermeasures...

131 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:59:30pm

re: #128 Gus 802

No. I don't sell anything on Ebay. Maybe it is my bank I don't know. First time someone sent me money it took almost 5 days. I couldn't believe it.

I've had PayPal transfers take a week...
I could've just sent a frikkin check in the mail.
:/

132 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:59:42pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Iran's Navy is getting weirder...

Iran unveils squadrons of flying boats

Video here

Skeet

133 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:00:03pm

re: #132 Decatur Deb

Skeet

LOL!

134 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:00:23pm

re: #132 Decatur Deb

Skeet

I wanna bring my 16 ga. !

135 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:01:18pm

Politics and personality aside:

Image: carly_fiorina1-241x300.jpg

I like the close-shaved-head look on [most] women.

Good thing I shared, eh?

136 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:01:22pm
137 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:02:03pm

That thing barely got off the water. Looks like it was just using ground effects to fly just above the waterline.

138 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:02:50pm

re: #130 Rightwingconspirator

re: #136 Gus 802

BOOORRRIIINNGGG!
How about one of these?

139 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:04:30pm

re: #109 Gus 802

It's hit and miss. A business leader may be a good political leader. Or they may not. People do that with former businesspeople or historically with former generals. I am reminded of this fascination with General Petraeus that some people have. Sure, he's a good general on the war front but that doesn't mean a thing regarding his ability to lead the country. His experience has been limited to the military and as a general. That may or may not transfer easily into a presidency. Let alone if he even has any interest which I highly doubt.

You make some good points, Gus.
I will say that in my observations of Petraeus is a man that thinks with clarity and acts with purpose. And because of his lack of interest expressed in politics, the kind of person that is not out to seek personal gain.

Kinda reminds me of another General from this century who went on to be a decent president.

140 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:04:34pm

re: #138 Varek Raith

re: #136 Gus 802

BOOORRRIIINNGGG!
How about one of these?

Warhead

initially W7 (2.5 or 28 KT)[1][verification needed] later W31 nuclear 2 kt (M-97) or 20 kt (M-22)[2] or T-45 HE warhead weighing 1,106 pounds (502 kg) and containing 600 pounds (270 kg) of HBX-6 M17 blast-fragmentation


MUHAHAHAHA

141 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:04:37pm

re: #138 Varek Raith

re: #136 Gus 802

BOOORRRIIINNGGG!
How about one of these?

143 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:05:58pm

re: #137 Gus 802

That thing barely got off the water. Looks like it was just using ground effects to fly just above the waterline.

The Soviets built some giant versions for long-range Over-the Shore tricks. Last seen rotting on the shore.

[Link: www.ussr-airspace.com...]

145 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:07:26pm

re: #143 Decatur Deb

The Soviets built some giant versions for long-range Over-the Shore tricks. Last seen rotting on the shore.

[Link: www.ussr-airspace.com...]

That Iranian thing looks like they used plywood and a VW engine. Or something. The "pilots" even have scooter helmets. They're so pathetic.

146 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:07:59pm

re: #143 Decatur Deb

The Soviets built some giant versions for long-range Over-the Shore tricks. Last seen rotting on the shore.

[Link: www.ussr-airspace.com...]

Those looked badass though.
The Iranian ones...LOL.

147 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:08:02pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Orly Taitz Endorses Sharron Angle, Calls Nevada Election 'Number 1 Race In America'

Perfect. They can get O'Keefe to stage a manage.

148 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:08:43pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Iran's Navy is getting weirder...

Iran unveils squadrons of flying boats

Video here

Interesting.... think they looked at old Soviet equipment as a guide. But they haven't much in the way of a capability to carry a lethal payload. Flying/skimming bombs perhaps?

I would suggest a harpoon, but that would be overkill. One Hellfire II from an Apache is enough.

149 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:09:13pm

re: #146 Varek Raith

Those looked badass though.
The Iranian ones...LOL.

re: #146 Varek Raith

Those looked badass though.
The Iranian ones...LOL.

Name: Iranian SPIKE
Top Speed: 20 KIAS
Service Ceiling: 20 feet ASL

//

150 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:09:17pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

Perfect. They can get O'Keefe to stage a manage.

He's got the dildo boat all ready to go.

151 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:10:57pm

re: #148 Ericus58

Interesting... think they looked at old Soviet equipment as a guide. But they haven't much in the way of a capability to carry a lethal payload. Flying/skimming bombs perhaps?

I would suggest a harpoon, but that would be overkill. One Hellfire II from an Apache is enough.

They would have the advantage of surprise--Shock and Awshit.

152 Linden Arden  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:11:21pm

Bill-O has Bill Maher on tonight.

Must suffer to watch.....

153 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:11:44pm

re: #148 Ericus58

Interesting... think they looked at old Soviet equipment as a guide. But they haven't much in the way of a capability to carry a lethal payload. Flying/skimming bombs perhaps?

I would suggest a harpoon, but that would be overkill. One Hellfire II from an Apache is enough.

I would guess they could probably be taken down/sunk by small arms. AR15's or whatever's laying around.

154 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:11:46pm

There's gold in dem dare hills... the Colorado aspens are turning... picture taken today at mountain meadow below my house... also notice dedicated Qwest phone truck and person, keeping the DSL alive in the mountains...

The multiple little swatches of gold in the background are aspens among the lodge pole pines and other mountain trees.

Image: aspen_2010.JPG

155 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:12:14pm

re: #129 HoosierHoops

BTW..With your Web issue.. Ask Tech support what version of Java you need on your computer...You may need to upgrade... We have the same issues rendering Oracle views on the web

the problem isn't withmy computer.
It's with other folks who've been unable to register - all over the state.

156 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:13:16pm

re: #146 Varek Raith

Those looked badass though.
The Iranian ones...LOL.

Okay if you want to let machines have all the fun, cool. But those flying boats look like great practice to me. I kinda like this guy

Air gun!

157 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:14:54pm

On the Iranian flying boat boat that barely flies:

Spencer Ackerman notes that the new flying boats are armed with a "machine gun", a mechanical rifle capable of firing continuously without reloading by human hands.

Hear that folks! Be afraid! It has a "mechanical rifle" that can fire continuously without needing to be reloaded "by human hands"!!

[Link: www.economist.com...]

158 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:15:23pm

re: #148 Ericus58

Interesting... think they looked at old Soviet equipment as a guide. But they haven't much in the way of a capability to carry a lethal payload. Flying/skimming bombs perhaps?

I would suggest a harpoon, but that would be overkill. One Hellfire II from an Apache is enough.

All kidding aside those could be capable suicide weapons, designed to overcome AA fire by sheer numbers. 500 lb of semtex...

159 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:16:26pm
160 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:16:51pm

re: #124 Decatur Deb

Have you found arch. work? If so, congrats.

Thanks for looking out for us Architects!
;-)

161 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:19:08pm

re: #158 Rightwingconspirator

All kidding aside those could be capable suicide weapons, designed to overcome AA fire by sheer numbers. 500 lb of semtex...

Welcome to CIWS

162 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:19:10pm

Somebody just shoot me now.
I put a hamburger on to cook, and forgot to turn on the stove.
sheesh.
Not having the best day.

163 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:19:59pm

re: #158 Rightwingconspirator

All kidding aside those could be capable suicide weapons, designed to overcome AA fire by sheer numbers. 500 lb of semtex...

I seriously doubt that thing would even get off the water with a 500 lbs. payload.

164 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:21:55pm

re: #161 Ericus58

Or perhaps you'd like to try out our Goalkeeper system?

165 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:23:00pm

re: #161 Ericus58

Welcome to CIWS


[Video]

Beat me to it. Phalanx CIWS - now that's a burp gun... ;)

166 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:23:10pm

I'm sorry, not trying to turn this thread into a war-porn thread.

but I'm sure you can guess my background and interests...

167 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:24:23pm

re: #166 Ericus58

I'm sorry, not trying to turn this thread into a war-porn thread.

but I'm sure you can guess my background and interests...

Staying dry at sea?

168 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:25:23pm

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

An Aspen grove in Utah is what some consider the largest living organism in the world.


"The Aspen tree (Populus tremuloides) forms large stands of genetically identical trees (technically, stems) connected by a single underground root system. These trees form through root sprouts coming off an original parent tree, though the root system may not remain a single unit in all specimens. The largest known fully-connected Aspen is a grove in Utah nicknamed Pando, and some experts call it the largest organism in the world,[1] by mass or volume.[2] It covers 0.43 km2 (106 acres) and is estimated to weigh 6,600 short tons (6,000 t).[3]"

169 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:26:17pm

OK, here we go...

Called the Bavar 2, the flying boat is often described as a ground-effect vehicle, meaning it rides a cushion of air over the surface of the water. The boats, which will be used by Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard, will reportedly be equipped with machine guns and surveillance equipment.

[Link: www.aolnews.com...]

So stupid.

170 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:27:55pm

So here's something really off on a new tangent....

I love my wife's name.
Ruth.
My Companion. "Whither thou goest, I will go."

I've only known three Ruth's in my life personally.
My Dearest.
Her good friend from college days.

And the nurse who assisted the doctor for my vasectomy.
That was a bit weird.....

171 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:30:05pm

re: #158 Rightwingconspirator

All kidding aside those could be capable suicide weapons, designed to overcome AA fire by sheer numbers. 500 lb of semtex...

Actually I doubt they could lift that much payload. My guess is they would be a misdirection while they tried to do real damage with something else - submarines, naval mines, SSM's, etc.

172 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:30:24pm

re: #167 Decatur Deb

Staying dry at sea?

haha, unless it was during an UNREP and working on the inhaul team along the side of the Destroyer... or standing forward lookout watch.

173 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:31:17pm

re: #169 Gus 802

OK, here we go...

[Link: www.aolnews.com...]

So stupid.

Can't think of a mission for it, except to drown RGs.

174 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:31:51pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heretic.

No. that would be me.

175 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:32:19pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Can't think of a mission for it, except to drown humiliate RGs.

FTFY

//

176 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:33:30pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Can't think of a mission for it, except to drown RGs.

WINNER!

177 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:33:33pm

re: #162 reine.de.tout

Somebody just shoot me now.
I put a hamburger on to cook, and forgot to turn on the stove.
sheesh.
Not having the best day.

At least the food can be salvaged. Just think how you might have felt if you had turned the stove on...and then forgot about it. See, now I'm more likely to do that.

You're doing ok reine. You're doing ok.

178 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:35:33pm

re: #162 reine.de.tout

Somebody just shoot me now.
I put a hamburger on to cook, and forgot to turn on the stove.
sheesh.
Not having the best day.

Won't shoot yah, will hug yah though.

(hug)

179 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:36:19pm

ahoy ahoy

180 researchok  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:37:27pm

One would think the Iranians would spend their money more carefully.

Then again, it isn't as if the mullahs really give a damn about the Iranian people.

181 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:37:36pm

re: #178 wozzablog

Won't shoot yah, will hug yah though.

(hug)

aw.
thanks.
and backatcha.

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:38:50pm

re: #135 negativ

Politics and personality aside:

Image: carly_fiorina1-241x300.jpg

I like the close-shaved-head look on [most] women.

Good thing I shared, eh?

She seems to favor very short cuts, which is OK, but I think she'd look nice with a little more length.

She said something hostile about Boxer's hair earlier in the campaign.

Men in politics so seldom critique each other's hair.

183 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:39:22pm

Gadzooks this is a big marlin.

Image: 154197d1251881524-maggie-joe-1-245-lbs-marlin-pics-photo.jpg

1245 pounds.

184 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:39:36pm

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey SFZ, cheers to your epic comments.

185 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:39:46pm

re: #183 Gus 802

Gadzooks this is a big marlin.

Image: 154197d1251881524-maggie-joe-1-245-lbs-marlin-pics -photo.jpg

1245 pounds.

Where was that caught?

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:39:56pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Orly Taitz Endorses Sharron Angle, Calls Nevada Election 'Number 1 Race In America'

Everyone seems to use superlatives about this race. Like "Harry Reid is the luckiest sumbitch alive."

187 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:40:47pm

re: #185 reine.de.tout

Where was that caught?

[Link: www.bloodydecks.com...]

The boat was the Maggie Joe which home ports out of Waikiki, Oahu

[Link: www.best-hawaii-fishing.com...]

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:41:04pm

re: #148 Ericus58

Interesting... think they looked at old Soviet equipment as a guide. But they haven't much in the way of a capability to carry a lethal payload. Flying/skimming bombs perhaps?

No, they just zoom you all at once, and you die laughing.

189 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:41:14pm

re: #179 wozzablog

ahoy ahoy

Aha, aha.

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:41:45pm

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

There's gold in dem dare hills... the Colorado aspens are turning... picture taken today at mountain meadow below my house... also notice dedicated Qwest phone truck and person, keeping the DSL alive in the mountains...

The multiple little swatches of gold in the background are aspens among the lodge pole pines and other mountain trees.

Image: aspen_2010.JPG

Pretty.

191 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:42:04pm

re: #189 prairiefire

Aha, aha.

Mahi mahi!

192 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:42:10pm

re: #183 Gus 802

Gadzooks this is a big marlin.

Image: 154197d1251881524-maggie-joe-1-245-lbs-marlin-pics -photo.jpg

1245 pounds.

Put. It. Back!

193 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:43:14pm

re: #192 prairiefire

Put. It. Back!

My first thought too. But it's too late.

194 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:43:18pm

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

Everyone seems to use superlatives about this race. Like "Harry Reid is the luckiest sumbitch alive."

Is that you, Sheriff Buford T. Justice?!

195 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:43:32pm

re: #187 Gus 802

That's a whole lotta Mekajiki.

196 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:44:11pm

re: #195 jaunte

That's a whole lotta Mekajiki.

Image: mekajiki.jpg

197 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:44:32pm

re: #28 WindUpBird

Whoever becomes guv has to start with this, because it's why the state is broken: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Prop 13 shows that referendums are anti-democratic. There's only a 'Yes' or 'No' on the vote and no way to balance the policy proposed. The question is always promoted in an emotional manner which is also not conducive to good policy. They often reward short term thinking without thought of the consequences for the next generations.

There's no give and take, no debate and no way to adjust a referendum. So, in my opinion, they are anti-democratic.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:44:37pm

re: #191 Gus 802

Mahi mahi!

Boutros Boutros-Ghali.

199 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:45:02pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

Boutros Boutros-Ghali.

David Letterman!

200 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:45:50pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

He's the boutrosest man on earth.

201 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:46:01pm

re: #191 Gus 802

Mahi mahi!

hate the taste of that warm water fish...

202 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:46:44pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

Okay it's sitting on pins and needles at RWC HQ. Dragon_Lady was out shopping with her mom, who felt dizzy. Got Real Bad fast. So off to ER. Now being rushed into ICU for a pacemaker. Lower heart not working right, upper is fine. D_L is there, likely for the night.

Sending strength and healing vibes your way.

203 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:46:47pm
204 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:47:27pm

I miss seeing Ace.... hope all is well.re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

Boutros Boutros-Ghali.

ANOTHER WINNER!

205 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:49:26pm

To diverge from the topic of discussion currently, a decision about the Ayodhya debate in India has been reached. What are your thoughts on the solution? I think India is about to have another round of rioting.

206 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:50:10pm

re: #204 Ericus58

I miss seeing Ace... hope all is well.

ANOTHER WINNER!

Haven't seen Slumbering Behemoth for a while.

207 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:52:32pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Haven't seen Slumbering Behemoth for a while.

And Mad Al.

208 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:52:38pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Alton Brown Calls Man v Food Gluttonous and "Disgusting"

I couldn't agree more but Alton needs to whip the Food Network into shape. Last time I watched it was mostly shows about inedible cakes and sugar sculptures.

I love, love, love the Ace of Cakes. Duff is coolest, silly nerd on tv. By the way, Food network shows all feature fully edible cakes. If you watch to the end you will usually see the participants, customers, or contestants, scarfing down. Cake decorating is an art. It's fun. And its nondenominational and bipartisan. Alton Brown agrees as he has either hosted or judged several cake decorating contests. But I have to say, that man vs food thing makes me shake my head and ask why?

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:52:49pm

re: #205 ProLifeLiberal

To diverge from the topic of discussion currently, a decision about the Ayodhya debate in India has been reached. What are your thoughts on the solution? I think India is about to have another round of rioting.

1. I think you're right about that, alas.

2. I'm sure the mosque was only destroyed because local Hindus were being oppressed by creeping Sharia and forced to pay jizya in the form of gym memberships.

//Sorry, channeling Pam Geller.

3. I honestly don't think I know enough to have a really informed opinion on the subject. It seems to me a terrible shame that such an old and beautiful mosque was destroyed. I don't get the legal issues well enough to comment.

210 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:54:33pm

Be well my Friends.
Enjoy the evening - I'm off to spend time with my "Companion".

May all of you be so blessed.

211 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:54:56pm

re: #207 Decatur Deb

And Mad Al.

And Racer X.

212 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:54:56pm

Store...back later.

213 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:56:02pm

re: #205 ProLifeLiberal

To diverge from the topic of discussion currently, a decision about the Ayodhya debate in India has been reached. What are your thoughts on the solution? I think India is about to have another round of rioting.

If you've really, really, got the urge to slaughter your neighbors, the birthplace of your invisible friend is reason enough.

214 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:56:58pm

re: #207 Decatur Deb

And Mad Al.

I'm blanking on Mad Al. ?

215 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:57:31pm

re: #214 Stanley Sea

I'm blanking on Mad Al. ?

Jaffe

216 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:57:52pm

re: #211 prairiefire

And Racer X.

Yeah. Those guys were not likely to freak out. How do we light the Bat Signal?

217 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:58:29pm

re: #215 wozzablog

Jaffe

ahh! thanks!

218 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:00:26pm

Whitney Houston in 1985.

If you don't like this there's something wrong with you.

219 pharmmajor  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:01:00pm

To all lizards living in Arizona, here's a candidate for the senate who seems far better than McCain.
[Link: www.nolan2010.org...]

220 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:03:48pm

re: #216 Decatur Deb

3rd sept last comment by RacerX - don't know if anyone has seen his nic since though in lurk mode............

221 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:04:38pm

re: #220 wozzablog


3rd sept last comment by RacerX - don't know if anyone has seen his nic since though in lurk mode...


last comment on record :

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

222 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:05:53pm

re: #220 wozzablog

3rd sept last comment by RacerX - don't know if anyone has seen his nic since though in lurk mode...

Hopefully once the Lakers start up again he'll be back. Because the sports chat here is not to be denied./

223 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:08:13pm

re: #221 wozzablog

last comment on record :

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That's a good-bye then, at least for a while. I've checked Mad Al's band, they're hanging near home in the DC area.

224 avanti  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:08:33pm

Just got this crazy e-mail, look for a constitutional Convention by Monday /:


THIS IS INTERESTING!!!!!!! READ PLEASE IT WON'T TAKE LONG.
Article V of the Constitution says it only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention. If each person contacts a minimum of twenty different people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Maybe it is time.

THIS IS HOW YOU HELP FIX CONGRESS!!!!!

My Liberal sister sent this along to me. I can't think of a reason to disagree.

I am sending this to virtually everybody on my e-mail list and that includes conservatives, liberals, and everybody in between. Even though we disagree on a number of issues, I count all of you as friends. My friend and
neighbor wants to promote a "Congressional Reform Act of 2010." It would contain eight provisions, all of which would probably be strongly endorsed by those who drafted the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I know many of you will say "this is impossible." Let me remind you,Congress has the lowest approval rating of any entity in Government. Now is the time when Americans will join together to reform Congress - the entity
that represents us.

We need to get a Senator to introduce this bill in the US Senate and a Representative to introduce a similar bill in the US House. These people
will become American heroes. **********************************


Congressional Reform Act of 2010


1. Term Limits.
12 years only, one of the possible options below..

A. Two Six-year Senate terms
B. Six Two-year House terms
C. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-Year House terms


2. No Tenure / No Pension.

A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.


3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.

All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people.


4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.


5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.


6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.
8. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/11.

The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.
If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete.

225 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:10:10pm
226 freetoken  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:10:25pm

A non-boring weather day in San Diego today - a rare rainy day in September. Combination of a strong high over the middle of the country and a weak low off the coast has brought in some saturated monsoonal flow:

[Link: www.weather.gov...]

Plants are loving it... heck, even though it rained on me while walking I loved it.

227 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:10:57pm

re: #208 Escaped Hillbilly

Adam is starting to look like hell.

228 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:11:25pm

re: #223 Decatur Deb

That's a good-bye then, at least for a while.

i reckoned as much too. less said the better though, otherwise it might become "a thing" that it was being talked about etc.

229 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:11:56pm

Now, my cranky Zionist add-on--if 'hardline Jewish activists' had, God forbid, destroyed the al-Aqsa Mosque back in 92, I imagine the media response worldwide, and the subsquent passionate concern of many many people out there would have been substantially more emphatic than in the case of the Ayodhya situation.

230 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:12:32pm

re: #224 avanti

If you don't forward 20 emails, your pit bull will turn into a calico cat.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:12:56pm

re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly

You guys been following this?

Only in passing.

An awful tragedy.

232 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:15:23pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

I mention it because we were discussing Fred Phelps' church last night. This is where his kind of lunacy gets us. But of course, he'd like that.

233 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:15:39pm

re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly

You guys been following this?

Very sad.

234 pharmmajor  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:15:55pm

re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly

You guys been following this?

Tragic. I'd like to castrate the bastards responsible for driving Clementi to suicide.

235 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:15:59pm

Obdicut-
Seen this? Earlier chat...

Meg's Husband has chimed in on the letter.

236 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:16:57pm

re: #226 freetoken

A non-boring weather day in San Diego today - a rare rainy day in September. Combination of a strong high over the middle of the country and a weak low off the coast has brought in some saturated monsoonal flow:

[Link: www.weather.gov...]

Plants are loving it... heck, even though it rained on me while walking I loved it.

Yeah, but the freeways are a disaster. (Rain=California drivers lose it) I had to cancel an appt. in La Jolla because the 5 was a parking lot.

Oh, but the sound of thunder today! Wow. (you folks, we don't have thunder and lightning here much at all)

237 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:17:27pm

re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly

You guys been following this?

Words have consequences. Video, all the more. Add internet and a picture is worth a billion words. Far past time to hold the harsh and cruel accountable.

238 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:17:46pm

re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly

You guys been following this?

Horrible. Heard a story about it on NPR on my way home today. Lack of empathy to others. Total lack.

239 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:18:09pm

re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, my cranky Zionist add-on--if 'hardline Jewish activists' had, God forbid, destroyed the al-Aqsa Mosque back in 92, I imagine the media response worldwide, and the subsquent passionate concern of many many people out there would have been substantially more emphatic than in the case of the Ayodhya situation.

The Ayodhya situation was pretty big at the time - but the subsequent lack of international opprobrium keeps the flames down. Pakistan and India are permanently on the verge of a conflict that would make anything that happens in the middle east look like a threepenny sideshow.

Ignoring the elephant in the room in India/Pakistan thing is often the best thing that can be done.

240 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:18:51pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

Yeah, but the freeways are a disaster. (Rain=California drivers lose it) I had to cancel an appt. in La Jolla because the 5 was a parking lot.

Oh, but the sound of thunder today! Wow. (you folks, we don't have thunder and lightning here much at all)

I-5 sucks..Period..

241 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:18:59pm

re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly

The internet puts some awesome capabilities in the hands of people with poor judgment. This recent post at Pharyngula is sort of related:


Yesterday, I'd reviewed [the student's'] blogs and the comments people had left there, and noticed they were getting a lot of not-at-all-helpful advice, fussing over style and telling them how to write their entries, and in class I started by telling them to ignore all that, I wanted them to find their own voices, when the class chuckled and pointed at the white board. A chill went down my spine.

The students had gotten annoyed at the condescending tone of a few of the comments, and had decided to deal with it. On the whiteboard was written the complete personal data of one person who had irritated them: they'd traced back his posting info and had gotten his real name, home address, employment history, phone number, etc., and were sharing that information. Before I interrupted them by starting the class, they were debating whether to teach him a lesson themselves or just to post all of that to 4chan.

Whoa. They've already got their own cyberpistols.
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

242 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:19:05pm

re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly

You guys been following this?

"Had he been in bed with a woman, this would not have happened," said Rutgers student Lauren Felton, 21, of Warren, N.J. "He wouldn't have been outed via an online broadcast, and his privacy would have been respected and he might still have his life."

I totally agree. If I were the judge in this case, I'd hit the pair who did this to this guy with the maximum penalty. What did this kid ever do to them?

243 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:19:28pm

re: #227 prairiefire

Adam is starting to look like hell.

No shit...with all of the fat, cholesterol, and sodium he takes in during filming, it's a wonder he's not dead already and that' what I think Alton Brown was driving at. While I appreciate some of the stunts Adam pulls (like the hot wings and such) and the places he goes, the "eat at much as possible in as little time as possible" is in the WTF?!? category for me.

On that, I have to agree with Alton...

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:19:40pm

re: #238 Stanley Sea

Horrible. Heard a story about it on NPR on my way home today. Lack of empathy to others. Total lack.

I thought Christie's statement was good.

Doesn't help, of course, but what the hell would?

245 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:21:22pm

re: #224 avanti

Just got this crazy e-mail, look for a constitutional Convention by Monday /:

THIS IS INTERESTING!!! READ PLEASE IT WON'T TAKE LONG.

I have a strict policy of responding to any chain email I receive like that by intentionally clicking "Reply All" and typing the most venomous thing I can think of at the time (which varies somewhat depending on my BAC, if any).

A very short, extremely polite version might contain the passage,

Instead of just brainlessly forwarding along every damned thing you get, try this:

Read the message first, and think about the person or people with whom you are about to share it. Based on what you know of their interests, desires, typical choice of reading materials, etc., does it seem like something they would want to read? If not, why would you send it? You wouldn't give a friend with a peanut allergy a gift certificate for a lifetime supply of Planter's -- unless you either really hate them, or you're or a thoughtless, snot-gurgling mongoloid.

Similarly, you would not send an endless flood of asinine, saccharine made-up stories -- all involving angels and kittens and promises that you will live happily ever after if you send it to 37 million people in the next 4 minutes after closing your eyes, turning around eight times, pressing F5 on the keyboard, and lighting a fart in memory of Mother Theresa -- to a person who has more than four functional brain cells, unless you either really hate them, or you're a thoughtless, snot-gurgling mongoloid.

Now, send this to everyone you know, everyone you don't know, and your 3rd cousin twice removed's dog.

I've vaporized a few potentially romantic relationships in this way, but it's for the best. I'll put up with a lot of things, but I'll be damned if I'm going to tolerate someone who forwards me chain emails.

246 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:23:03pm

re: #245 negativ

I have a strict policy of responding to any chain email I receive like that by intentionally clicking "Reply All" and typing the most venomous thing I can think of at the time (which varies somewhat depending on my BAC, if any).

A very short, extremely polite version might contain the passage,

I've vaporized a few potentially romantic relationships in this way, but it's for the best. I'll put up with a lot of things, but I'll be damned if I'm going to tolerate someone who forwards me chain emails.

I just respond to my Aunt that I LOVE OBAMA.

She stopped.

247 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:23:03pm

re: #239 wozzablog

Add in Pakistan's instability with various factions, including the Taliban, and there is a very serious problem.

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:23:07pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

Yeah, but the freeways are a disaster. (Rain=California drivers lose it) I had to cancel an appt. in La Jolla because the 5 was a parking lot.

Oh, but the sound of thunder today! Wow. (you folks, we don't have thunder and lightning here much at all)

At least in the northwest we wait for snow before we lose our minds :D

249 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:23:36pm

re: #241 jaunte
That is scary to people who can think through the probable outcome of doing something like that. Teenagers just shrug and say whatever.
And this really segues nicely into the whole weirdo boat seduction thing.

250 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:24:40pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

hugs~~I'll try to post a recording somehow.

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:25:08pm

re: #246 Stanley Sea

I just respond to my Aunt that I LOVE OBAMA.

She stopped.

I just accept everything my mother-in-law sends me, sigh, and delete.

252 rwmofo  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:25:55pm

re: #245 negativ

"...pressing F5 on the keyboard, and lighting a fart in memory of Mother Theresa..."

Ummm, huh?

Is Christopher Hitchens hacked into your network or is this something we're all supposed to be doing?

253 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:26:02pm

re: #248 WindUpBird

At least in the northwest we wait for snow before we lose our minds :D

It's actually pretty classic down here when it rains. Guaranteed freeway stoppage. Guaranteed.

I'm from Florida where we would go 75 in the biggest downpour, no problem. Bizarre.

Oh and thanks for the PNW pimp, I sooo want to move there you know.

254 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:26:11pm

re: #243 talon_262

No shit...with all of the fat, cholesterol, and sodium he takes in during filming, it's a wonder he's not dead already and that' what I think Alton Brown was driving at. While I appreciate some of the stunts Adam pulls (like the hot wings and such) and the places he goes, the "eat at much as possible in as little time as possible" is in the WTF?!? category for me.

On that, I have to agree with Alton...

That gray pallor, it is not a good sign. "Put the beef burrito down, Adam."

255 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:26:32pm

re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly

You guys been following this?

Shit like this reminds me that I grew up before the internet was a thing, and only became an internet denizen in college in the 90's, when there really as not connectivity on any sort of level we have now, the barriers to entry were immense

I can't imagine being a kid today with all the shit that goes along with being a teenager or a college student and then the power of modern social networks, it's pretty terrifying

(Also, I am still not on Facebook, never had an account)

256 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:27:03pm

re: #254 prairiefire
Heh, MAN VS FOOD: Food 1, Man 0. Now to other news.

257 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:27:14pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

I just accept everything my mother-in-law sends me, sigh, and delete.

Send chain letters back in retaliation! Especially if they're crazy UFO conspiracy shit :D

258 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:27:15pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

My mother-in-law gives me not just emails, but whole books by Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. Luckily I can regift to one of my business partners.

259 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:27:57pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

I just accept everything my mother-in-law sends me, sigh, and delete.

I got feisty one day. Although I of course, didn't respond to EVERYONE, that would be too much.

She still likes me, kinda.

260 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:28:51pm

re: #253 Stanley Sea

It's actually pretty classic down here when it rains. Guaranteed freeway stoppage. Guaranteed.

I'm from Florida where we would go 75 in the biggest downpour, no problem. Bizarre.

Oh and thanks for the PNW pimp, I sooo want to move there you know.

You gotta come! It's full of wackyness :D I hope you A) like rain and B) like rain and C) like overcast gray doomy days that are fixing to rain

Oh yeah, and I hope you like doom metal because we got a lot of that here as well

261 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:28:54pm

re: #254 prairiefire

That gray pallor, it is not a good sign. "Put the beef burrito down, Adam."

Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall has nice pallor despite living on an island with no sun....

262 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:29:15pm

I don't get anything like chain letters--either Comcast has some good filters, or nobody wants my help.

263 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:29:24pm

Update on my MIL, and epic thanks to all who expressed kindnesses
Stable, had a tiny cardiac "episode" in the ER (huge kudos to the wife for getting MIL to ER before the episode). Gonna get her pacemaker this very evening and then be held in the hospital pending adjustments (?) to the device. Or her to it maybe.

Bottom line

WHEW!

264 freetoken  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:29:33pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea


Oh, but the sound of thunder today! Wow. (you folks, we don't have thunder and lightning here much at all)

Yup, it woke me up this morning. In my time living here (quarter of a century) I think I've experienced thunderstorms in Sept only about 3 or 4 times.

The water vapor 24 hour loop shows how it happened:
[Link: www.weather.gov...]
We don't get tropical storms here (though Arizona has on rare occasions), so that coastal (non tropical) system is unusual. One thing about AGW - precip predictions for SoCal are hard to coalesce on a solution, probably because if the ocean warms enough we might see tropical storms coming this far north.

As for "the 5" - hasn't it always been a parking lot?

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:29:55pm

re: #257 WindUpBird

Send chain letters back in retaliation! Especially if they're crazy UFO conspiracy shit :D

Remember, this is a middle-aged lesbian who falls asleep listening to Alex Jones podcasts. She believe in aliens. She believes that Barack Obama is a mutant Muslim plant from outer space. She believes that cell phones are killing us slowly. She believes that the world is ending in 2012. She believes in chemtrails. I haven't found much she DOESN'T have faith in.

But she gave birth to my husband, so I smile and delete the messages. The ones with inspirational pictures of puppies I even read.

266 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:30:25pm

re: #263 Rightwingconspirator

Good for her; I'm glad your wife made it there in time.

267 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:30:39pm

re: #258 jaunte

My mother-in-law gives me not just emails, but whole books by Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. Luckily I can regift to one of my business partners.

Regift? Those make excellent birdcage liners, packing material for parcels, and firestarters!

I think if I got a Hannity book as a gift, I'd hollow it out and make it my secret hideyhole for whatever contraband I run across

268 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:31:26pm

re: #260 WindUpBird

You gotta come! It's full of wackyness :D I hope you A) like rain and B) like rain and C) like overcast gray doomy days that are fixing to rain

Oh yeah, and I hope you like doom metal because we got a lot of that here as well

Rain I love. Gloomy days I love.

doom metal? Way out of my usual repertoire, but everyone can learn, you never know.

269 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:31:40pm

re: #267 WindUpBird

That's a good idea; I can hollow it out and the other partner would like it better.

270 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:33:08pm

re: #263 Rightwingconspirator

Update on my MIL, and epic thanks to all who expressed kindnesses
Stable, had a tiny cardiac "episode" in the ER (huge kudos to the wife for getting MIL to ER before the episode). Gonna get her pacemaker this very evening and then be held in the hospital pending adjustments (?) to the device. Or her to it maybe.

Bottom line

WHEW!

Dad got a pacemaker, said it was the best thing that ever happened to him. (??)

Good all worked out.

271 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:34:27pm

Just got off the phone with D. (my gf). D. recently interviewed for a nanny position, and at the interview, the wife said to her face, "I'm impressed you're so organized and professional, usually your people have a poor work ethic, [sic]" and then she proceeded to tell D. that she was surprised D. is black because she didn't sound like one.

Wow. Just, wow.

272 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:34:37pm

re: #259 Stanley Sea

I got feisty one day. Although I of course, didn't respond to EVERYONE, that would be too much.

She still likes me, kinda.

I told my In Laws I don't understand Republican jokes. They stopped emailing them to me.

273 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:34:53pm

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

Remember, this is a middle-aged lesbian who falls asleep listening to Alex Jones podcasts. She believe in aliens. She believes that Barack Obama is a mutant Muslim plant from outer space. She believes that cell phones are killing us slowly. She believes that the world is ending in 2012. She believes in chemtrails. I haven't found much she DOESN'T have faith in.

But she gave birth to my husband, so I smile and delete the messages. The ones with inspirational pictures of puppies I even read.

This person is awesome and should probably be canonized as a saint

Now when you say she believes Barack Obama is a muslim plant from outer-space, do you mean that he's just been inserted into the presidency by aliens, or that he also subsists off sunlight and chlorophyll? That he is, in-fact, a sentient plant? :D

I have a crackpot theory that a lot of creative people whose creativity has no outlet for whatever personality, upringing, or life-choice reasons, they funnel that into zany conspiracy theories, because really, it IS fun to think of the world as hiding a bunch of zany conspiracies, or a secret war between secret governments, or that we're just a veil underneath which the faerie worlds are teeming with life and vying for dominance, or psychics, or poltergeists, or free-floating class five apparitions I heard a vocie say Zuul

274 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:35:27pm

re: #264 freetoken

Yup, it woke me up this morning. In my time living here (quarter of a century) I think I've experienced thunderstorms in Sept only about 3 or 4 times.

The water vapor 24 hour loop shows how it happened:
[Link: www.weather.gov...]
We don't get tropical storms here (though Arizona has on rare occasions), so that coastal (non tropical) system is unusual. One thing about AGW - precip predictions for SoCal are hard to coalesce on a solution, probably because if the ocean warms enough we might see tropical storms coming this far north.

As for "the 5" - hasn't it always been a parking lot?

Whoa! Excellent video of what's happening. Damn, we are covered!!

And yes, the 5 sucks terribly, I try so hard to miss the jams, but today - no chance.

275 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:36:18pm

re: #268 Stanley Sea

Rain I love. Gloomy days I love.

doom metal? Way out of my usual repertoire, but everyone can learn, you never know.

It all came from these guys:

basically, we have a great climate for tattooed bearded dudes who get high, stay indoors and make sludgy sounds with guitars

276 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:37:13pm

re: #272 prairiefire

I told my In Laws I don't understand Republican jokes. They stopped emailing them to me.


Why did the black guy cross the road?

TO GET HIS SECRET WELFARE CHECK FROM BARACK OBAMA WHACKITY SCHMACKITY DOOOO

277 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:37:28pm

re: #271 eclectic infidel
It's really tempting to say to some people "you know, those are what we call inside thoughts, no reason to let them out for me to hear."

278 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:37:48pm

re: #271 eclectic infidel

Just got off the phone with D. (my gf). D. recently interviewed for a nanny position, and at the interview, the wife said to her face, "I'm impressed you're so organized and professional, usually your people have a poor work ethic, [sic]" and then she proceeded to tell D. that she was surprised D. is black because she didn't sound like one.

Wow. Just, wow.

She walked. Tell me your GF walked.

279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:37:57pm

re: #271 eclectic infidel

Holy hell!

280 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:38:11pm

re: #276 WindUpBird

Why did the black guy cross the road?

TO GET HIS SECRET WELFARE CHECK FROM BARACK OBAMA WHACKITY SCHMACKITY DOOO

stop hacking my email dood - it's not big and it's not clever..........

/

281 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:38:51pm

re: #271 eclectic infidel

Just got off the phone with D. (my gf). D. recently interviewed for a nanny position, and at the interview, the wife said to her face, "I'm impressed you're so organized and professional, usually your people have a poor work ethic, [sic]" and then she proceeded to tell D. that she was surprised D. is black because she didn't sound like one.

Wow. Just, wow.

When does she start?

282 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:39:19pm

re: #275 WindUpBird

It all came from these guys:


[Video]

basically, we have a great climate for tattooed bearded dudes who get high, stay indoors and make sludgy sounds with guitars

yum!

283 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:39:43pm

re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Your mum is lovely, FBV.

284 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:40:06pm

re: #271 eclectic infidel

Just got off the phone with D. (my gf). D. recently interviewed for a nanny position, and at the interview, the wife said to her face, "I'm impressed you're so organized and professional, usually your people have a poor work ethic, [sic]" and then she proceeded to tell D. that she was surprised D. is black because she didn't sound like one.

Wow. Just, wow.

My mother has done the "he didn't sound black!" thing before when there was some ebay thing or something she was selling online, then the guy comes and picks it up, but I don't think she'd go there

285 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:40:33pm

re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

aw shit, your avatar.

Thoughts to you FBV. Hang tough.

286 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:41:18pm

re: #282 Stanley Sea

yum!

also beer

beer and portland go together like chocolate and peanut butter :D

just like don't expect much of an economy here

287 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:42:14pm

dude, what'd I miss?

288 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:42:24pm

re: #286 WindUpBird

did you see that sunset I photographed?

289 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:42:49pm

re: #269 jaunte

That's a good idea; I can hollow it out and the other partner would like it better.

Or do both!

Hollow it out and put some [contraband redacted] inside and then your friend opens the packages and goes, REALLY.

And then opens the book and goes REALLY!

290 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:42:58pm

re: #288 Stanley Sea

did you see that sunset I photographed?

Did not, show me!

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:43:59pm

re: #283 prairiefire

*curtsies*

Found out today... the necklace she is wearing in the picture... was a gift from my dad... he worked for two weeks and it was half of what he made... the necklace was 14.95. She was 16 years old.

So frickin' sweet!

292 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:44:13pm

re: #289 WindUpBird


[contraband redacted]

"What is this?"

"It's SUGARCANE, and it's from CUBA!1!"

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:44:36pm

re: #271 eclectic infidel

Just got off the phone with D. (my gf). D. recently interviewed for a nanny position, and at the interview, the wife said to her face, "I'm impressed you're so organized and professional, usually your people have a poor work ethic, [sic]" and then she proceeded to tell D. that she was surprised D. is black because she didn't sound like one.

Wow. Just, wow.

Godalmighty.

Is she going to have to WORK for this person?

294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:45:28pm

re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist

I think I'd take the job, just to bring EEOC crashing upon their heads.

295 researchok  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:45:32pm

Stuxnet Analysis Supports Iran-Israel Connections

Speculation about the Stuxnet work has grown rampant in ithe last week, as everyone from computer security experts to political scientiests to divinity experts have weighed in on details of the worm, which was first identified in July. The story burst into the popular media after security and industrial control experts - looking at the capabilities and infection statistics from the Stuxnet worm -- suggested that it may have been a targeted attack aimed at Iran's nuclear enrichment facilities, and each day has brought new revelations about the impact of the worm and its possible origins.

Recent discussions have focused on Israel as a possible source of the virus, given its sophistication and in Israel's stated interest in disrupting Iran's development of a nuclear weapon and clues in the malware itself, including a refernce to Myrtus, the biblical character of Miriam.

296 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:46:08pm

re: #290 WindUpBird

log into gmail

297 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:47:05pm

re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist

Godalmighty.

Is she going to have to WORK for this person?

If I were young, black, female, smart and evil I'd take the job. In two years her brats would be quoting Stokely and Eldridge.

298 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:48:00pm

re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist

Godalmighty.

Is she going to have to WORK for this person?

Or work this person over, as the case may be

299 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:48:18pm

re: #296 Stanley Sea

log into gmail

doin it

301 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:51:01pm

g'night y'all

my best regards to the assembled.

302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:52:51pm

re: #300 Ojoe

Gloomy? I think it's lovely.

303 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:54:05pm

re: #268 Stanley Sea

If you like Gloom, here is some:
Tonight's gloom.

304 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:54:07pm

re: #300 Ojoe

Tonight's sort of gloomy Towercam sunset. San Gabriel Mountains of California.

that looks like a pretty good place to be..

305 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:55:48pm

re: #303 Ojoe

Huh, the link did not work. I will try again. It was just the towercam.

A very filtered sunset.

306 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:57:05pm

re: #304 cliffster

No bright rays tonight, though.

I think I have been paying too much attention to politics.

I will go wash the dishes as an antidote.

307 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:57:58pm

re: #303 Ojoe

If you like Gloom, here is some:
Tonight's gloom.

double gloom. link didn't work.

308 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:58:46pm

re: #304 cliffster

that looks like a pretty good place to be..

Come on out Cliff!! Cliffs @the beach, no prob.

309 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:59:36pm

re: #306 Ojoe

No bright rays tonight, though.

I think I have been paying too much attention to politics.

I will go wash the dishes as an antidote.

Removing filth as treatment for immersion in politics. Win.

310 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:00:11pm

re: #296 Stanley Sea

log into gmail

email me a thing!

311 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:01:15pm

re: #310 WindUpBird

I'm a piece of spam.

312 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:02:37pm

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

Men in politics so seldom critique each other's hair.

The let me be the first to say that Rand Paul looks ridiculous.

313 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:03:58pm

Looks like Wilders got a win:
A ban on wearing the full Islamic veil in the Netherlands will be part of the government's programme under a pact to form a coalition, party leaders say.
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

314 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:04:09pm

re: #308 Stanley Sea

Come on out Cliff!! Cliffs @the beach, no prob.

Ahhh.. the beach. I'll be down south in a couple of days. Beach might be nice.

315 laZardo  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:07:20pm

Speaking of revealing...this is what Kim the Third looks like.

316 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:07:25pm

"We want to give the country back to the working Dutch citizen."

Whateverthehell that means.
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

317 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:09:06pm

I have to get some sleep. Good night all.

318 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:11:00pm

re: #313 jaunte

Looks like Wilders got a win:
A ban on wearing the full Islamic veil in the Netherlands will be part of the government's programme under a pact to form a coalition, party leaders say.
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

I'd accept that, if it were honestly meant as a rebuff against forced veiling and if the was no other way. But they way Wilders means it is little more than a "Fuck You!" to all Muslims. Such a thing can only make our Islamist problems worse.

319 freetoken  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:11:14pm

re: #315 laZardo

He's now a 4-star general, so I guess we'll have to listen to him.

Fascinating thing about that picture - the guy in the uniform and Mr. "III"rd are holding their hands in a very Eastern fashion (for a photograph), but Lil' Kim chose to sit in a totally relaxed fashion with his hands resting together. A message maybe?

320 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:13:49pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

In itself, the ban doesn't address any actual problem, so I'd agree it was just an insult designed to improve Wilders' stature. Too bad they think have to play ball with him.

321 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:14:34pm

Charles,

I'm sure you already know about them, but occasionally I get a couple of display glitches on LGF. Sometimes it formats weirdly like this, and sometimes when I post I get double comments like this. Both glitches are fixed on reloading of the page. Just thought I'd mention it. I'm browsing with Safari 5.0.2 (6533.18.5) running in OS-X 10.6.4 on a Macbook Pro model 5,5 (13" unibody).

322 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:16:43pm

re: #307 Stanley Sea
re: #305 Ojoe

The sky 'round here just stays spectacular when the monsoon flow is in. No lightning but we got gorgeous.

323 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:18:40pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

I'd accept that, if it were honestly meant as a rebuff against forced veiling and if the was no other way. But they way Wilders means it is little more than a "Fuck You!" to all Muslims. Such a thing can only make our Islamist problems worse.

Seriously? I believe in freedom. A government ban on an article of clothing might very well be the worst law ever.

324 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:19:26pm

re: #320 jaunte

In itself, the ban doesn't address any actual problem, so I'd agree it was just an insult designed to improve Wilders' stature. Too bad they think have to play ball with him.

They either listen to him or fail to form a government. Not a good choice.

325 freetoken  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:20:12pm

re: #321 goddamnedfrank

Weren't we blaming the Mormons and their ads for that CSS mess?

Anyway, yeah, the CSS does get messed up somehow, and I strongly suspect it has to do with certain adverts.

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:21:08pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

I'd accept that, if it were honestly meant as a rebuff against forced veiling and if the was no other way. But they way Wilders means it is little more than a "Fuck You!" to all Muslims. Such a thing can only make our Islamist problems worse.

I don't see depriving women who want to wear it of the right as a reasonable way to protect women who don't, quite simply. But you're right, that's the last thing Wilders cares about.

Any stats on how many women wear the full veil in the Netherlands anyway? They went NUTS in Switzerland, and then the stats were ridiculously low.

327 laZardo  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:22:02pm

re: #319 freetoken

He's now a 4-star general, so I guess we'll have to listen to him.

Fascinating thing about that picture - the guy in the uniform and Mr. "III"rd are holding their hands in a very Eastern fashion (for a photograph), but Lil' Kim chose to sit in a totally relaxed fashion with his hands resting together. A message maybe?

"Fuck y'all, I'm retiring."

Also, the guy in the uniform is probably the Chief of Staff.

328 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:23:39pm

Good evening, honcos!

Update on the UT shooter. 6'2", 200 pounds. Not the type to be bullied. Quiet but quite brilliant. Math major. Research papers (as a sophomore!) related to statistical analyses. Graduated #7 in his high school class in Austin. Lived with his parents. His dad is a veterinarian and mom runs a child care facility. Not real social, but pleasant. Maybe a bit socially inept. Asbereger's?

Not a single clue that he could twist off like this. Police say that they know where he got the gun, and where he parked the car (rumor is the Dobie dorm parking lot on 21st), but there were absolutely no red flags, anywhere.

He had every opportunity to kill as many people as he wanted to. He shot at no one. Dozens of close range targets were available. Everyone who saw him said he had a big grin on his face (he was wearing a dark suit and a ski mask, but the grin was obvious and gleeful. He was also yelling "Woo Hoo". Multiple witnesses attest to all this.)

He also played a lot of video games. The following is rumor:

One of the games he played was a first-person shooter where you racked up positive and negative karma based on your actions. One of the possible outcomes is the shooter wearing a dark business suit and a ski mask and committing suicide on a college campus.

329 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:23:47pm

re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist

BBC says:

Around 5% of the Netherlands' 16 million residents are Muslims, but only around 300 are thought to wear the burka.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]


It's an invasion!1!

330 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:23:50pm

re: #323 cliffster

Seriously? I believe in freedom. A government ban on an article of clothing might very well be the worst law ever.

YES. yes.

331 freetoken  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:24:31pm

re: #327 laZardo

"Fuck y'all, I'm retiring."

332 ozbloke  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:24:40pm

re: #325 freetoken

Weren't we blaming the Mormons and their ads for that CSS mess?

Anyway, yeah, the CSS does get messed up somehow, and I strongly suspect it has to do with certain adverts.

I think I've seen this when z-index is used is css.

333 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:27:06pm

re: #323 cliffster

Seriously? I believe in freedom. A government ban on an article of clothing might very well be the worst law ever.

That's why I said "if there were no other way". I've posted articles that advocated banning the burqa, but even they only advocated doing so to prevent it being forced on women. To ban it as a rejection of Islam is as foolish an idea as can be found. It's doing the enemy a small injury, and that's never smart. Sarkozy is moving for a ban for reasons that are at least defensible (even if the defense falls short). Wilders is just being a bigoted asshole.

334 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:27:52pm

re: #329 jaunte

BBC says:


It's an invasion!1!

Three hundred women in a country of 16 million are wearing burqas and this is their biggest social problem?

There's probably three hundred serial killers in the United States right at this very moment, you know?

335 laZardo  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:28:47pm

re: #328 austin_blue

Let me guess: 4chan?

/

336 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:29:39pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

It's doing the enemy a small injury, and that's never smart.

Big one up.

337 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:31:25pm

Need to call in an airstrike? There's an app for that.

338 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:31:38pm

re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist

That tiny number needs to get bigger play.

339 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:32:03pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

That's why I said "if there were no other way". I've posted articles that advocated banning the burqa, but even they only advocated doing so to prevent it being forced on women. To ban it as a rejection of Islam is as foolish an idea as can be found. It's doing the enemy a small injury, and that's never smart. Sarkozy is moving for a ban for reasons that are at least defensible (even if the defense falls short). Wilders is just being a bigoted asshole.

It's actually doing the enemy a small favor. Veil bans are good propaganda for the bad guys, and inconvenience no one except a few women...who, if they're actually being made to veil, will now be made to stay home.

340 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:32:29pm

'Nite, all.

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:33:24pm

re: #338 jaunte

That tiny number needs to get bigger play.

It's ridiculous. The loonietunesers talk as though the streets of Europe are flooded with women with their faces covered, and Christian girls are being hassled for showing their chins in public. This is a huge fuss over absolutely nothing.

342 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:33:40pm

re: #330 Stanley Sea

YES. yes.

I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.

Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.

But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.

343 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:34:17pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

Here's an interesting point of view from Engels:

...we argue that every religion is historically an ideology of, among other things, gender oppression. It does not follow that calling for bans on all religions or religious customs is the correct way to fight such oppression. Classical Marxism did not require the inscription of atheism in the programme of social movements. On the contrary, in his 1874 critique of the Blanquist émigrés from the Paris Commune, Engels rejected their call to abolish religion by decree. His view has been completely confirmed by 20th Century experiences, as when he wrote that: "persecutions are the best means of promoting disliked convictions".[Link: liammacuaid.wordpress.com...]
344 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:36:14pm

re: #335 laZardo

Let me guess: 4chan?

/

Naw, I've got some friends in the APD and the UTPD. What I wrote was what is confirmed and are high confidence speculations.

345 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:36:44pm

re: #342 austin_blue

I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.

Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.

But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.

Outside of court, what are your thoughts?

346 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:37:00pm

re: #342 austin_blue

I'm guessing that when the BBC says 'burka' they're not being completely accurate. They could mean any kind of hijab.

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:37:06pm

re: #342 austin_blue

I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.

Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.

But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.

And do you feel that applies also to a simple niqab?

348 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:38:20pm

re: #346 jaunte

I'm guessing that when the BBC says 'burka' they're not being completely accurate. They could mean any kind of hijab.

Hijab simply mean modest dress with headcovering, and I'm sure there are more women covering their hair than that. Their little fashion-show of sketches showed the different styles.

349 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:38:35pm

re: #342 austin_blue

I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.

Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.

But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.

Well, the veil can be rationally prohibited in the case of someone testifying in court. That serves a reasonable purpose and an important public interest. That should be done.

350 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:39:53pm

re: #342 austin_blue

I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.

Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.

But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.

playing a tuba while testifying would be extremely distracting. I think tubas should be banned.

351 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:40:08pm

Some numbers from Belgium:

There are no official statistics on how many women wear face-covering veils, though analysts agree it is a marginal phenomenon among the roughly 400,000 Muslims living in Belgium (about 4 percent of the country's population). In 2009, 29 women were stopped by police in eight municipalities in the Brussels region that ban the full Muslim veil. It is unclear whether the women were penalized as a result.[Link: www.hrw.org...]
352 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:40:16pm

re: #342 austin_blue

I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.

Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.

But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.

Other than fear sites, where is this concern coming up? How MANY burqa clad women have been testifying lately to the detriment of the trial's outcome?

353 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:40:37pm

re: #343 jaunte

Here's an interesting point of view from Engels:

That's an actual Radical Socialist article. As such, I dismiss it out of hand. I regard such article as having no value other than for "Know your enemy" purposes.

354 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:42:26pm

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

Sure, I just think in that case Engels was right about the result of that kind of ban.

355 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:44:03pm

re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist

Outside of court, what are your thoughts?

Tough, innit? I loathe them on a human basis. I don't like women in baggies.

I also have big problems with masked people in banks. Don't you?

And yet, we don't give a hoot about Halloween masks. How do we know that roving bands of Midget Housebreakers aren't targeting us? I guess that is as likely as someone in a burqa being a criminal.

I guess I'm ambivalent. Like a political consultant, I can spin it both ways.

356 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:46:32pm

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

Remember, this is a middle-aged lesbian who falls asleep listening to Alex Jones podcasts. She believe in aliens. She believes that Barack Obama is a mutant Muslim plant from outer space. She believes that cell phones are killing us slowly. She believes that the world is ending in 2012. She believes in chemtrails. I haven't found much she DOESN'T have faith in.

But she gave birth to my husband, so I smile and delete the messages. The ones with inspirational pictures of puppies I even read.

In oblique defense of your Ma in Law: I used to listen to Art Bell whenever possible. In case you're not aware, he was sort of a precursor to Alex Jones. His show entertained all kinds of conspiracy theories, but his main focus (and the reason I listened) was because of the show's intense focus on UFO-related whatzits. Roswell, Area 51, Bob Lazar, Majestic-12, etc.

Art Bell was different from Alex Jones in many respects. First and foremost, he was a broadcaster who happened to be a kook, rather than a kook who happened to be a broadcaster. He had a voice and cadence perfectly suited for late-night radio. He was always very mellow in his delivery, and when he got into topics like black-ops research involving captured aliens being interrogated for information about their technology, his delivery made it all the freakier. He never ranted, yelled, or talked about death panels, but it would not have been out of character for him to interview a guest who insisted that humans were being raised as a food source for aliens living in a colony at Area 51, with the full cooperation of the CIA / NSA in exchange for cooperation and technology. As obviously insane as that is, I hope it's easy to see how that's a hundred miles away from the Alex Jones "9/11 was an inside job" stuff.

One of my favorite bits Art Bell used to do was when he would announce that he was "absolutely certain" that some member of his audience was a time-traveler from the future, a participant in an unfathomably weird CIA research project, a cyborg, or the like. He would invite these people to call in and tell their story anonymously. Then he would take unscreened callers, most of whom were useless and didn't last 15 seconds, but every once in a blue moon, you'd get an extremely creative caller who made freakishly plausible claims, and thus entertainment ensued. I guess the Internet-age example of this would be the legend of John Titor.

I don't think it's accurate to say that, at the time, I genuinely believed all the stuff about alien abductions and government UFO conspiracies and so forth, but on a certain level I wanted it to be true. To me, the idea of a world in which aliens have been secretly checking us out for tens of thousands of years (with occasional delinquents meddling in our biz with unintended world-wide effects) was highly appealing, just because it would be SO COOL.

At the same time, I thought Art Bell probably didn't actually believe any of it, and that he was just a really talented broadcaster with a flair for freaky X Files-style fantasy. Later on, I was somewhat disappointed to learn that he actually did believe a lot of the things he put on his show.

Note: for better or worse, I no longer believe any of those things, for about eleventy reasons. But some part of me still wishes they were true.

I wonder if any of my experience with Art Bell might transpose onto Alex Jones' audience.

357 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:46:35pm

re: #350 cliffster

playing a tuba while testifying would be extremely distracting. I think tubas should be banned.

Now I'm envisioning a woman in a burqa playing the tuba on a witness stand.

I don't know exactly why, but I'm rooting for her. For one thing, I don't know how many Afghan lady tuba players there are. For another, how can the court fully understand her situation without the tuba solo?

358 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:46:48pm

re: #354 jaunte

Sure, I just think in that case Engels was right about the result of that kind of ban.

Who else can you use to bolster that case? Because I can't hang anything on the opinion of a Red.

359 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:47:11pm
360 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:48:28pm

re: #358 Dark_Falcon

Well, I guess it's the same reason Prohibition failed.

361 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:48:33pm

re: #355 austin_blue

Tough, innit? I loathe them on a human basis. I don't like women in baggies.

I also have big problems with masked people in banks. Don't you?

And yet, we don't give a hoot about Halloween masks. How do we know that roving bands of Midget Housebreakers aren't targeting us? I guess that is as likely as someone in a burqa being a criminal.

I guess I'm ambivalent. Like a political consultant, I can spin it both ways.

I've never seen a woman on the street in a burqa, and I expect it would unsettle me. It's the not being able to see the eyes part, I think.

I've only ever seen three women wearing face veils, and it didn't bother me, although the two sitting together on my local bus came as a bit of a surprise.

Not that my personal feelings carry any legal weight.

362 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:49:21pm

re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist

Three hundred women in a country of 16 million are wearing burqas and this is their biggest social problem?

There's probably three hundred serial killers in the United States right at this very moment, you know?

Paralyzed by burqas, but not a fuckin' peep about FGM.

363 freetoken  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:50:01pm

re: #355 austin_blue

I don't like women in baggies.


Yeah, me too. The seem sort of... well, lifeless.

364 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:50:03pm

re: #342 austin_blue

I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.

Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.

But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.

I want to testify in court wearing one of these

Image: 20965.jpg

365 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:51:05pm

re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist

Three hundred women in a country of 16 million are wearing burqas and this is their biggest social problem?

There's probably three hundred serial killers in the United States right at this very moment, you know?

There are probably more professional breakdancers in America than people wearing burqas on a daily basis, hahah

366 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:52:00pm

re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist

I saw what I assume was a Saudi couple at the Houston Zoo one sweltering July, he in shorts and short-sleeves, and she in the full black bag. I disliked it on sight. I didn't like it on her behalf, but she has to decide she wants out, I can't force her out of it.

367 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:53:28pm

re: #360 jaunte

Well, I guess it's the same reason Prohibition failed.

Not really. Prohibition failed because the desire for alcohol was so widespread. When its just a small minority, you can prohibit their customs and make it stand up, if you're prepared to be ruthless in doing so.

Please Note: I am saying what is possible. I am not, repeat not saying it is a good idea.

368 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:54:10pm

re: #365 WindUpBird

There are probably more professional breakdancers in America than people wearing burqas on a daily basis, hahah

I don't know about that.. there's a family of burqa-donners in my neighborhood. And I live in Texas. Can't be all that uncommon. Creeps me out too. Doesn't matter shit whether it creeps me out or not, though, in the context of government bans.

369 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:54:28pm

re: #366 jaunte

I saw what I assume was a Saudi couple at the Houston Zoo one sweltering July, he in shorts and short-sleeves, and she in the full black bag. I disliked it on sight. I didn't like it on her behalf, but she has to decide she wants out, I can't force her out of it.

Some people are just fundamentalists. That's my take.

cue the ladies in Utah with their (and their daughter's) little house on the prairie outfits.

370 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:55:32pm

re: #358 Dark_Falcon

Who else can you use to bolster that case? Because I can't hang anything on the opinion of a Red.

No offense dude, but you sell cell phones for a living, and I make digital Playskool characters for a living, neither of us are in a position to dismiss Fredreich Engels

The difference is, I'm self-aware enough to know that I'm not in an intellectual position to dismiss Engels out of hand, and apparently you aren't

You also think you're in an intellectual position to dismiss all of San Francisco, maybe you should reel the ol' rhetoric in a smidge

371 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:56:32pm

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

Maybe Prohibition was a bad analogy; I think if a government tries to outlaw a custom, those who want to cling to the custom will just take it out of sight of the civil authorities, and the official disapproval will only strengthen their desire to keep it as a mark of special identity.

372 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:57:15pm

re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist

I've never seen a woman on the street in a burqa, and I expect it would unsettle me. It's the not being able to see the eyes part, I think.

I've only ever seen three women wearing face veils, and it didn't bother me, although the two sitting together on my local bus came as a bit of a surprise.

Not that my personal feelings carry any legal weight.

Exactly. I have seen two women in burqas in Austin. Both were in Central Market. Organic is generally accepted as Halal.

373 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:57:48pm

re: #359 jaunte

NRC Handelsblad, today:
European countries ponder banning the burqa

The whole ban it attitude. What a cheap cop out for dealing with the real issues.

374 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:58:56pm

re: #363 freetoken

Yeah, me too. The seem sort of... well, lifeless.

Major upding, although that makes me feel oogie...

375 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:59:06pm

re: #370 WindUpBird

No offense dude, but you sell cell phones for a living, and I make digital Playskool characters for a living, neither of us are in a position to dismiss Fredreich Engels

The difference is, I'm self-aware enough to know that I'm not in an intellectual position to dismiss Engels out of hand, and apparently you aren't

You also think you're in an intellectual position to dismiss all of San Francisco, maybe you should reel the ol' rhetoric in a smidge

and Albert Einstein was a postal clerk. who the hell was he to go on about acceleration, space, time, and all that complicated stuff? Stand down, cell-phone salesman

376 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:59:51pm

re: #370 WindUpBird

No offense dude, but you sell cell phones for a living, and I make digital Playskool characters for a living, neither of us are in a position to dismiss Fredreich Engels

The difference is, I'm self-aware enough to know that I'm not in an intellectual position to dismiss Engels out of hand, and apparently you aren't

You also think you're in an intellectual position to dismiss all of San Francisco, maybe you should reel the ol' rhetoric in a smidge

After the election I'll dial it back.

Also, just so you know, I don't sell cell phones anymore. I sell conference seats now. I haven't talked about the new job much though, for fear of attracting Stalker Attention to it. Those folks would say you having Playskool characters share in "Radical Socialism".

377 freetoken  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:01:09pm

re: #375 cliffster

and Albert Einstein was a postal clerk. who the hell was he to go on about acceleration, space, time, and all that complicated stuff?


He was a patent clerk. Oh, and he was also graduate in physics too.

378 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:02:15pm

re: #377 freetoken

He was a patent clerk. Oh, and he was also graduate in physics too.

Thank you! Saved me the trouble!

379 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:02:42pm

re: #377 freetoken

He was a patent clerk. Oh, and he was also graduate in physics too.

really? from which university?

380 sagehen  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:03:04pm

re: #102 reine.de.tout

It doesn't work.
Government is not business. What works for business, does NOT work for an efficiently run government. Some things do, of course, good supervision, good training, etc.

But we've had any number of businessmen running for office, saying the gov't needs to be run like a "bidness", and they are wrong, wrong, wrong.

Except for Mike Bloomberg.

381 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:03:13pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

Some people are just fundamentalists. That's my take.

cue the ladies in Utah with their (and their daughter's) little house on the prairie outfits.

Check this out:

Image: elizsmart.jpg

There's a genuine victim.

382 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:03:33pm

re: #372 austin_blue

Being at OU, I know a fair number of Muslim Women (A number of them being close friends). I've never seen a Niqab. In fact a good chunk of them only wear headscarves for prayers. Some of them wear Jilbabs or Hijabs.

383 freetoken  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:04:29pm

re: #379 cliffster

really? from which university?

Zurich, IIRC. Also, he was working on his dissertation while working as patent examiner, and earned it while still working there.

384 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:04:52pm

Hey, what's the take on Meg Whitman's hiring an undocumented maid?

Mine? Typical. Absolutely typical. I don't like Gloria Allred, so it's not a cool reveal. But in my opinion, anyone in California with the bucks to hire help are hiring undocumented folks. (cue Cantor: come on!)

The only thing that kind of rubs me is how she had to fire her quickly once she decided to run. Someone in your house for 9 years is pretty much family. Should have got her legal, spent the money necessary, and used it as a platform for reform.

385 freetoken  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:05:20pm

re: #378 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank you! Saved me the trouble!

I live to serve the one. I die for the one.

386 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:05:28pm

re: #368 cliffster

I don't know about that.. there's a family of burqa-donners in my neighborhood. And I live in Texas. Can't be all that uncommon. Creeps me out too. Doesn't matter shit whether it creeps me out or not, though, in the context of government bans.

People wearing baggy obscuring clothes doesn't bother me, it's just simply not a thing I care about. Buzzcut guys and their leathery trophy wives up the street from me in their McMansions, bombing down blind corners recklessly in their Escalades and Yukons, one of whom about ran me off the road last week because he apparently thought his car gave him the right to create a heretofore unknown lane of traffic out of thin air? That bothers me. That actually affects my life. Girl wearing a sheet with a gun slit out the front who isn't in danger of t-boning my VW? Who never talks to me? Who keeps to herself? Don't care! Not creeped out at all! Live and let live. I wear weirder shit than that to bars on a weekly basis. :D

The whole ban the burqa thing is just another handle to grab onto for anti-msulim rhetoric and tribalism and a bunch a cuckolding whiteys going OH GOSH SEE THEY"RE JUST SO OPPRESSED WHAT WILL WE DO ABOUT THE COMING MUSLIM INVASION

It's not really significant, except as a one more truncheon to attack muslims with, especially in America when they're already such a minority. Politics!

387 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:06:29pm

re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know exactly why, but I'm rooting for her. For one thing, I don't know how many Afghan lady tuba players there are. For another, how can the court fully understand her situation without the tuba solo?

Keep in mind that it's only due to a very long series of accidents that the tuba is not the instrument primarily associated with rock music.

In some other universe, Jimi Hendrix revolutionized how people perceived rock tuba.

388 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:07:42pm

re: #372 austin_blue

Exactly. I have seen two women in burqas in Austin. Both were in Central Market. Organic is generally accepted as Halal.

I think I've seen about two or three dozen niqabs and zero burqas since I moved to Portland.

And about three hundred and fifty drunken santa clauses. I am not kidding.

389 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:08:38pm

re: #387 negativ

No discussion of rock tuba is complete without Berkeley Breathed Image: Deathtongue.jpg

390 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:08:42pm

re: #379 cliffster

really? from which university?

You actually have the chutzpah to fight this one with Freetoken?

Wow...

From the wiki...

At age 17, in 1896, he enrolled in the four year mathematics and physics teaching diploma program at the Polytechnic in Zurich.

In 1900 Einstein was awarded the Zurich Polytechnic teaching diploma.

His miracle year at the patent office was in 1905.

In 1901, Einstein had a paper on the capillary forces of a straw published in the prestigious Annalen der Physik.[32] On 30 April 1905, he completed his thesis, with Alfred Kleiner, Professor of Experimental Physics, serving as pro-forma advisor. Einstein was awarded a PhD by the University of Zurich. His dissertation was entitled "A New Determination of Molecular Dimensions".[33] That same year, which has been called Einstein's annus mirabilis or "miracle year", he published four groundbreaking papers, on the photoelectric effect, Brownian motion, special relativity, and the equivalence of matter and energy, which were to bring him to the notice of the academic world.

391 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:09:00pm

re: #383 freetoken

Zurich, IIRC. Also, he was working on his dissertation while working as patent examiner, and earned it while still working there.

Truth!

392 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:09:06pm

re: #383 freetoken

Zurich, IIRC. Also, he was working on his dissertation while working as patent examiner, and earned it while still working there.

well.. postal, patent - you sure showed me ;)

393 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:10:26pm

re: #366 jaunte

I saw what I assume was a Saudi couple at the Houston Zoo one sweltering July, he in shorts and short-sleeves, and she in the full black bag. I disliked it on sight. I didn't like it on her behalf, but she has to decide she wants out, I can't force her out of it.

ever seen goths at the zoo? There's goth zoo days in Portland!

If you're looking to stay cool, the black bag is one thing, the leather cat-suit with the stompy 6" heels, that's on a different level :D

394 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:11:07pm

re: #390 LudwigVanQuixote

You actually have the chutzpah to fight this one with Freetoken?

Wow...

Wow!

Not everyone lives and dies in confrontation. It was a question. Sometimes a question is just a question. Freud said that. I'm sure you already knew that though

395 freetoken  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:13:07pm

re: #394 cliffster

Point is, Einstein knew what he was writing about.

Usually I avoid trying to get between two wannabe-squabblers on threads (in this case DF and WUB), yet because you seemed to want to stir things up I thought I'd throw my toe in the water to try and derail the whole mess.

396 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:13:28pm

re: #392 cliffster

well.. postal, patent - you sure showed me ;)

Yeah, but the point is that while he was at the patent office, Einstein, who already had a physics degree, and was working on his dissertation, was starting to show the world how much of an amazing physicist he was.

Everyone love the image of some backyard genius suddenly showing up all them smart fellers...

The truth is that Einstein was not only a genius, but he developed his skills with hours of academic work and dedication, and further, it doesn't matter how smart you are if you haven't learned the field. You will at best be re-inventing someone else's wheel.

I can't tell you how many times I thought I had come up with something clever in graduate school, only to discover that someone like Feynman or Einstein knew it in his crib.

397 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:13:42pm

re: #393 WindUpBird

ever seen goths at the zoo? There's goth zoo days in Portland!

If you're looking to stay cool, the black bag is one thing, the leather cat-suit with the stompy 6" heels, that's on a different level :D

Goth Days? Do they speak proto-German while sacking the gift shop?

/Deliberate misinterpretation for humor.

398 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:14:24pm

re: #375 cliffster

and Albert Einstein was a postal clerk. who the hell was he to go on about acceleration, space, time, and all that complicated stuff? Stand down, cell-phone salesman

Are you telling me that either me or Dark falcon has demonstrated the intellectual fortitude to dismiss Engles outright?

Sometimes, part of being smart is knowing what field you're smart in, ya know? And having the intellectual honesty to accept that and not run from it

I'm not going to wave my dick around and pretend I'm really learned about Israel, or about particle physics, or about fighter planes, or the Russian civil war, or that I have the authority to dismiss the opinion of an incredibly important person in history in those fields

because i don't know much about those things.

399 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:14:48pm

re: #395 freetoken

Point is, Einstein knew what he was writing about.

Usually I avoid trying to get between two wannabe-squabblers on threads (in this case DF and WUB), yet because you seemed to want to stir things up I thought I'd throw my toe in the water to try and derail the whole mess.

There's not going to be a squabble. Things are on the level and will stay there.

400 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:15:20pm

re: #366 jaunte

I saw what I assume was a Saudi couple at the Houston Zoo one sweltering July, he in shorts and short-sleeves, and she in the full black bag. I disliked it on sight. I didn't like it on her behalf, but she has to decide she wants out, I can't force her out of it.

Geez.
There are days when I've stepped outside wearing a tank top and shorts, and it's too hot for all those clothes!

I can't imagine wearing a burqa in the sort of heat we get.

But as you say - it's not your decision, nor mine, nor is it the government's decision.

401 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:16:31pm

re: #397 Dark_Falcon

Part of me would pay to see that event unfold. I would expect to be interesting.

402 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:16:31pm

re: #395 freetoken

Point is, Einstein knew what he was writing about.

Usually I avoid trying to get between two wannabe-squabblers on threads (in this case DF and WUB), yet because you seemed to want to stir things up I thought I'd throw my toe in the water to try and derail the whole mess.

I'm less squabbling with DF and more just registering my disgust with the act of commenters being pretentious on blogs, which is a thing that PLAGUES ME EVERYWHERE ON THE INTERNET

and also I used to do it a lot back on Usenet

403 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:16:33pm

re: #384 Stanley Sea
You might find some insights here... Excellent page, lots of comments. Links etc.

404 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:16:41pm

re: #400 reine.de.tout

I think the goofiest thing about the encounter was that they were on their way to see the camel.

405 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:17:45pm

re: #397 Dark_Falcon

Goth Days? Do they speak proto-German while sacking the gift shop?

/Deliberate misinterpretation for humor.

the goth visigoth joke has been played out for years, me and my vampire metalhead friends heard it in high school, now my vampire metalhead friends' CHILDREN are hearing it ;-)

406 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:18:18pm

re: #389 WindUpBird

No discussion of rock tuba is complete without Berkeley Breathed Image: Deathtongue.jpg

I can't get your link to load, but somehow I suspect you're linking "You Make Me Sick But I Love You"

I remember the contest, and also the flexi-disc.

I hate your polyester pantsuit, and your greasy hair
I hate that stuff between your braces, and your hairy derierrrrrre
You make me sick (honk honk) but I love you

WHY CAN I REMEMBER THIS SHIT FROM 1987 BUT I CAN'T FIND THE FUCKING CAR KEYS I TOUCHED 2 HOURS AGO?

arrgg

407 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:18:24pm

re: #313 jaunte

Looks like Wilders got a win:
A ban on wearing the full Islamic veil in the Netherlands will be part of the government's programme under a pact to form a coalition, party leaders say.
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Perhaps they'd reconsider the ban if one of these came in Dutch flag colors? :P

408 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:18:33pm

re: #386 WindUpBird

People wearing baggy obscuring clothes doesn't bother me, it's just simply not a thing I care about. Buzzcut guys and their leathery trophy wives up the street from me in their McMansions, bombing down blind corners recklessly in their Escalades and Yukons, one of whom about ran me off the road last week because he apparently thought his car gave him the right to create a heretofore unknown lane of traffic out of thin air? That bothers me. That actually affects my life. Girl wearing a sheet with a gun slit out the front who isn't in danger of t-boning my VW? Who never talks to me? Who keeps to herself? Don't care! Not creeped out at all! Live and let live. I wear weirder shit than that to bars on a weekly basis. :D

The whole ban the burqa thing is just another handle to grab onto for anti-msulim rhetoric and tribalism and a bunch a cuckolding whiteys going OH GOSH SEE THEY"RE JUST SO OPPRESSED WHAT WILL WE DO ABOUT THE COMING MUSLIM INVASION

It's not really significant, except as a one more truncheon to attack muslims with, especially in America when they're already such a minority. Politics!

Again, I'll disagree. France is facing a much larger problem in re: to Fundy Islam than we are. Whereas it's the vanishingly small population in the US, it is becoming much and much more common in Europe. Again, I have no problem with hijab, (they remind me of Sister Mary Beatrice in 1st grade) but a full on-on burqa is disturbing to everything I believe. And I'm a dedicated lefty. Maybe that's why. Odd convergence of the left and right.

409 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:20:38pm

re: #400 reine.de.tout

Geez.
There are days when I've stepped outside wearing a tank top and shorts, and it's too hot for all those clothes!

I can't imagine wearing a burqa in the sort of heat we get.

But as you say - it's not your decision, nor mine, nor is it the government's decision.

As someone who has been known to wear a lot of clothes in crazy heat for the sake of fandom or general zaniness, you really get used to it if you're smart about conserving your energy

I mean, guys in Iraq are toting around rifles and gear and backpacks and wearing bulletproof vests and they can do it in that heat, some lady in a sheet, not too hard if you're prepared.

a thing that's difficult is emoting and being "on" and in character when you're wearing a lot of clothes in the heat. Drink lots of water in that case o_o

410 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:20:47pm

re: #395 freetoken

Point is, Einstein knew what he was writing about.

Usually I avoid trying to get between two wannabe-squabblers on threads (in this case DF and WUB), yet because you seemed to want to stir things up I thought I'd throw my toe in the water to try and derail the whole mess.

in the future, I'll try to be more like you.

411 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:21:25pm

re: #406 negativ

I can't get your link to load, but somehow I suspect you're linking "You Make Me Sick But I Love You"

I remember the contest, and also the flexi-disc.

I hate your polyester pantsuit, and your greasy hair
I hate that stuff between your braces, and your hairy derierrre
You make me sick (honk honk) but I love you

WHY CAN I REMEMBER THIS SHIT FROM 1987 BUT I CAN'T FIND THE FUCKING CAR KEYS I TOUCHED 2 HOURS AGO?

arrgg

Actually, I was linking to the Dethtongue spread: Image: deathtongue.jpg

412 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:21:49pm

She's back.

Got the tip from Maddow.

More here.

413 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:22:42pm

re: #396 LudwigVanQuixote

everyone secretly thinks they are Will Hunting

414 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:23:18pm

re: #402 WindUpBird

It's not pretension. Engels stood with Karl Marx. His Communism taints anything he said, in my mind.

415 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:24:17pm

re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist

And do you feel that applies also to a simple niqab?

A simple niqab? The basic Magic Kingdom form of women's public dress? Well here's what it looks like:

Image: lkh30bluefrontset.JPG

Ick. But you decide.

416 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:26:24pm

re: #408 austin_blue

Again, I'll disagree. France is facing a much larger problem in re: to Fundy Islam than we are. Whereas it's the vanishingly small population in the US, it is becoming much and much more common in Europe. Again, I have no problem with hijab, (they remind me of Sister Mary Beatrice in 1st grade) but a full on-on burqa is disturbing to everything I believe. And I'm a dedicated lefty. Maybe that's why. Odd convergence of the left and right.

France is one thing, we're something else. I'm talking about people in American suburbia (usually people who are predisposed to being suspicious of muslims) grabbing onto the burqa issue with both hands like it's a Big Issue In America and Proof the Muslims are Like Aliens or Something, which seems to be the vibe when it's brought up here.

France, I cant begin to comprehend all the cultural forces at play in France regarding muslims.

417 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:27:40pm

re: #415 austin_blue

That's the garment I saw at the zoo. The arguments on both sides of the European political spectrum:

Some supporters of this week’s Belgian bill, the Walloon liberals, have taken matters one step further. In the preamble to their proposal they write that “the proposed ban not only takes into consideration matters of the public order, but also – at a more fundamental level – social considerations that are essential for living together in an emancipated society that ensures the rights of all.”

An open society means being able to look each other in the face, the preamble continues, because people need to be able to “recognise each other, to know one another”.
...
For now, such a move remains unthinkable in Sweden, the United Kingdom or the Netherlands. These countries have a long tradition of allowing religious expression in the public realm. The conservative Swedish prime minister, Fredrik Reinfeldt, vehemently opposes a burqa ban such as the one argued for by his French and Danish colleagues. The state should not try to force women into emancipation, he believes.

The British Labour prime minister, Gordon Brown, has expressed similar feelings about the issue. “The UK government does not share France’s views on secularisation. In the UK we are comfortable with expressions of belief, be it the wearing of the turban, hijab, crucifix or kippa. This diversity is an important part of our national identity and one of our strengths. By contrast, France’s cultural and historical backgrounds have caused them to take a different view of secularisation and the wearing of religious symbols,” is how the British government responded to the French proposal. [Link: www.nrc.nl...]

418 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:27:58pm

re: #412 Gus 802

She's back.

Got the tip from Maddow.

More here.

I am just going to keel over if the American Stupidity Party wins.

419 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:28:12pm

re: #406 negativ

I can't get your link to load, but somehow I suspect you're linking "You Make Me Sick But I Love You"

I remember the contest, and also the flexi-disc.

I hate your polyester pantsuit, and your greasy hair
I hate that stuff between your braces, and your hairy derierrre
You make me sick (honk honk) but I love you

WHY CAN I REMEMBER THIS SHIT FROM 1987 BUT I CAN'T FIND THE FUCKING CAR KEYS I TOUCHED 2 HOURS AGO?

arrgg

I thought it was U Stink But I Love U :D

(and I'm the same way, can't remember my own phone number but I can tell you what year the GTI turbo went from 150 horse to 180, and I can tell you the name of every member of obscure prog-metal bands from Australia and Quebec)

420 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:28:26pm

if you start letting women wear burqas all they want, next thing you know they'll be wanting to vote. and have equal pay, and shit like that.

421 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:31:00pm

re: #408 austin_blue

Again, I'll disagree. France is facing a much larger problem in re: to Fundy Islam than we are. Whereas it's the vanishingly small population in the US, it is becoming much and much more common in Europe. Again, I have no problem with hijab, (they remind me of Sister Mary Beatrice in 1st grade) but a full on-on burqa is disturbing to everything I believe. And I'm a dedicated lefty. Maybe that's why. Odd convergence of the left and right.

Agreed. That's why I'm willing to cut Sarkozy (but not Wilders) some slack on a burqa ban. He really is facing a situation bad enough (there are parts of France where a woman is in danger if she is not veiled) that a outright ban may be the only way.

422 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:31:31pm

re: #362 negativ

Paralyzed by burqas, but not a fuckin' peep about FGM.

It comes up now and then, but mysteriously without any sweeping law proposed with thundering speeches.

Odd, that. Could it be that they don't give a shit about women's rights, they just want to show their distaste for Muslims?

Couldn't be!

423 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:32:08pm

re: #416 WindUpBird

France is one thing, we're something else. I'm talking about people in American suburbia (usually people who are predisposed to being suspicious of muslims) grabbing onto the burqa issue with both hands like it's a Big Issue In America and Proof the Muslims are Like Aliens or Something, which seems to be the vibe when it's brought up here.

France, I cant begin to comprehend all the cultural forces at play in France regarding muslims.

Oh, believe me, I don't disagree. I willingly admit that I'm uncomfortable with the burqa, even though I realize that the use of the garment is vanishingly small. It upsets me because I don't think women should be dressed in baggies. To me, culturally, it is an insult to women. They are not property, to be hidden. They are humans, open to the world.

424 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:32:14pm

re: #418 Stanley Sea

I am just going to keel over if the American Stupidity Party wins.

Well, it ain't over till it's over or after election day but it's a possibility. When I was in my 20s and 30s I would get rather upset if the Democrats lost. Over the years I've become hardened with politicians and politics so it doesn't affect me much personally anymore.

425 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:32:40pm

re: #414 Dark_Falcon

It's not pretension. Engels stood with Karl Marx. His Communism taints anything he said, in my mind.

communism is a form of government, it's not like they're trying to summon satan, it's not like Ford Versus Chevy, they're human beings that shaped the course of history, it might be worth it to examine what they had to say, yes even if you violently, horrendously, and with every fiber of your being disagree with it.

I mean, what if you were in school for political science and you were assigned that material? Would you just intentionally fail the class rather than examine anything Marx or Engels said?

426 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:32:51pm

re: #366 jaunte

I saw what I assume was a Saudi couple at the Houston Zoo one sweltering July, he in shorts and short-sleeves, and she in the full black bag. I disliked it on sight. I didn't like it on her behalf, but she has to decide she wants out, I can't force her out of it.

That's at least something you won't see among Chassidim--men don't wear short sleeves and if they wear short pants they wear stockings under them.

427 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:33:52pm

re: #410 cliffster

in the future, I'll try to be more like you.

Freetoken is a mensch.

Believe it. He's my hero.

428 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:34:36pm

re: #422 SanFranciscoZionist

A liberal society has to accept that people are free to make choices that might not be in their best interest.

429 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:35:14pm

re: #425 WindUpBird

communism is a form of government, it's not like they're trying to summon satan, it's not like Ford Versus Chevy, they're human beings that shaped the course of history, it might be worth it to examine what they had to say, yes even if you violently, horrendously, and with every fiber of your being disagree with it.

I mean, what if you were in school for political science and you were assigned that material? Would you just intentionally fail the class rather than examine anything Marx or Engels said?

I did read and examine their work at that time. And I do make some effort in a "know the enemy" sense. I'm not a know-nothing. But I don't what to hang an argument on something Engels said. I want to use the work of someone who is not tainted.

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:35:48pm

re: #379 cliffster

really? from which university?

Zurich Polytechnic.

431 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:36:35pm

re: #382 ProLifeLiberal

Being at OU, I know a fair number of Muslim Women (A number of them being close friends). I've never seen a Niqab. In fact a good chunk of them only wear headscarves for prayers. Some of them wear Jilbabs or Hijabs.

Most Muslims in Muslim-majority countries don't cover their faces. Even in Iran it's not that common.

432 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:37:37pm

re: #384 Stanley Sea

Hey, what's the take on Meg Whitman's hiring an undocumented maid?

Mine? Typical. Absolutely typical. I don't like Gloria Allred, so it's not a cool reveal. But in my opinion, anyone in California with the bucks to hire help are hiring undocumented folks. (cue Cantor: come on!)

The only thing that kind of rubs me is how she had to fire her quickly once she decided to run. Someone in your house for 9 years is pretty much family. Should have got her legal, spent the money necessary, and used it as a platform for reform.

I wouldn't blink much, except that Meg talks a very good game about holding the employers of illegal workers accountable.

I take her at her word. I won't reward this behavior by voting for her.

433 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:38:16pm

re: #431 SanFranciscoZionist

Most Muslims in Muslim-majority countries don't cover their faces. Even in Iran it's not that common.

No, it's a real Pakistan/Afghanistan thing. Oh, and the Magic Kingdom. Go figure. Our friends the Saudis.

434 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:39:06pm

re: #424 Gus 802

Well, it ain't over till it's over or after election day but it's a possibility. When I was in my 20s and 30s I would get rather upset if the Democrats lost. Over the years I've become hardened with politicians and politics so it doesn't affect me much personally anymore.

Oh I'm not going to get upset, I'm just going to drink a six pack and go back to what I usually do, which is make weird art, listen to crazy music, and argue on the internet :D

I'm actually having a party on election night ASSUMING the Democrats will get hammered! if they don't, hey, cool! But I'm zen with the idea that Dems will lose the house. The paranoid crazy running around, it's like an amplified version of all the paranoid crazy during Clinton. because whatever the crazy is out there in America, if you put race into the mix, it just gets SO MUCH MORE TASTY

Vince Foster was cooked and eaten by Hillary Clinton. James McDougal's skull is carved with runes and used to scry the future from the Clinton library. Whitewater is where they put all the flying saucers. Mary Mahoney is a robot. WE GOT IT RUSH, JEEZ

435 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:39:21pm

re: #388 WindUpBird

I think I've seen about two or three dozen niqabs and zero burqas since I moved to Portland.

And about three hundred and fifty drunken santa clauses. I am not kidding.

As I mentioned, in SF I once saw two girls in niqab on the bus, and I once spotted a woman wearing it in London. Saudi tourist, I figured, since we were in a hyperupscale shopping area.

436 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:40:03pm

re: #422 SanFranciscoZionist

It comes up now and then, but mysteriously without any sweeping law proposed with thundering speeches.

Odd, that. Could it be that they don't give a shit about women's rights, they just want to show their distaste for Muslims?

Couldn't be!

UN

POSSIBEL

WHY I NEAVER HERD OF SUCH UH THING

437 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:41:03pm

re: #435 SanFranciscoZionist

As I mentioned, in SF I once saw two girls in niqab on the bus, and I once spotted a woman wearing it in London. Saudi tourist, I figured, since we were in a hyperupscale shopping area.

Hyperupscale :D

Is that where the shop is like made entirely out of underlit lucite and there's only three objects in the store with no price tags, and there's a Bentley Continental GT parked out front?

438 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:41:58pm

re: #408 austin_blue

Again, I'll disagree. France is facing a much larger problem in re: to Fundy Islam than we are. Whereas it's the vanishingly small population in the US, it is becoming much and much more common in Europe. Again, I have no problem with hijab, (they remind me of Sister Mary Beatrice in 1st grade) but a full on-on burqa is disturbing to everything I believe. And I'm a dedicated lefty. Maybe that's why. Odd convergence of the left and right.

But the numbers of women wearing them are very, very small. Remember, three hundred women in the Netherlands. How many in France?

439 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:42:09pm

re: #429 Dark_Falcon

I did read and examine their work at that time. And I do make some effort in a "know the enemy" sense. I'm not a know-nothing. But I don't what to hang an argument on something Engels said. I want to use the work of someone who is not tainted.

See, when you use words like "tainted" you're just not someone I can talk about this stuff with

440 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:42:29pm

re: #438 SanFranciscoZionist

About 2,000, I think.

441 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:42:57pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

Zurich Polytechnic.

Man, talk about upscale, Zurich was BERZERK when we went there. I've never seen more Ferraris being driven on a street in my life.

442 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:43:40pm

re: #370 WindUpBird

No offense dude, but you sell cell phones for a living, and I make digital Playskool characters for a living, neither of us are in a position to dismiss Fredreich Engels

The difference is, I'm self-aware enough to know that I'm not in an intellectual position to dismiss Engels out of hand, and apparently you aren't

You also think you're in an intellectual position to dismiss all of San Francisco, maybe you should reel the ol' rhetoric in a smidge

WUB, I may not agree with every position you take - but I sure enjoy your intellect and wit.

Rock on, Friend.

....yes I'm back but not for long - 3:30 does beckon ;)

443 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:44:06pm

re: #415 austin_blue

A simple niqab? The basic Magic Kingdom form of women's public dress? Well here's what it looks like:

Image: lkh30bluefrontset.JPG

Ick. But you decide.

That's one way it looks. The women I've seen on the street covered less and had peripheral vision.

But the issue is that I DON'T decide.

444 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:44:12pm

re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist

I wouldn't blink much, except that Meg talks a very good game about holding the employers of illegal workers accountable.

I take her at her word. I won't reward this behavior by voting for her.

It was my understanding that the employee provided documents indicating she was legal to hire, and that Whitman filled out the I-9 form like she was supposed to.

But also - there are problems with what are you exactly supposed to do, if you get a "no match" letter? I've gotten them. Here's a part of it:

You should not use this letter to take any adverse action against an employee just because his or her Social Security number appears on the list, such as laying off, suspending, firing , or discriminating against the individual. Doing so could, in fact, violate state or federal law and subject you to legal consequences.

It's illegal to hire someone who isn't legal to hire.
It's also possibly illegal to take action against someone you've hired who turns out to not be legal to hire. It's a mess. Sorta like the affirmative action reports we had to do. We were required by the government to report, by job group and class, the number of minorities and females in each. At the same time, we were prohibited by law from requiring employees to, you know, tell us their gender and race. We had to hope folks would give us that info voluntarily (and they did). But it was still weird.

445 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:44:47pm

re: #416 WindUpBird

France is one thing, we're something else. I'm talking about people in American suburbia (usually people who are predisposed to being suspicious of muslims) grabbing onto the burqa issue with both hands like it's a Big Issue In America and Proof the Muslims are Like Aliens or Something, which seems to be the vibe when it's brought up here.

France, I cant begin to comprehend all the cultural forces at play in France regarding muslims.

I know that in France they've decided little boys can't wear yarmulkes to school. That's what I know about France.

446 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:45:10pm

re: #424 Gus 802

Well, it ain't over till it's over or after election day but it's a possibility. When I was in my 20s and 30s I would get rather upset if the Democrats lost. Over the years I've become hardened with politicians and politics so it doesn't affect me much personally anymore.

Palin, on the other hand, takes me to a whole 'nother realm.

447 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:45:24pm

re: #442 Ericus58

WUB, I may not agree with every position you take - but I sure enjoy your intellect and wit.

Rock on, Friend.

...yes I'm back but not for long - 3:30 does beckon ;)

Oh I know I'm a pain sometimes! If anyone agrees with every position I take (especially on fashion!) that means they're probably one of three people I already know :D

448 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:45:38pm

re: #438 SanFranciscoZionist

Time magazine:


"We're talking about maximum 2,000 women, meaning this law risks reigniting conflicts between religions and communities," Moscovici told France Inter radio on Thursday. "I fear this law stigmatizes [Muslims], and fear it will be inapplicable.
[Link: www.time.com...]
449 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:45:39pm

re: #420 cliffster

if you start letting women wear burqas all they want, next thing you know they'll be wanting to vote. and have equal pay, and shit like that.

Or worse, they will start to wear bikinis, and become Miss USA, and then Hezbollah will win!

//Sorry, channeling Debbie Schlussel

450 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:46:09pm

re: #421 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. That's why I'm willing to cut Sarkozy (but not Wilders) some slack on a burqa ban. He really is facing a situation bad enough (there are parts of France where a woman is in danger if she is not veiled) that a outright ban may be the only way.

How many woman wear the full veil in France? We got stats? We got links?

451 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:46:11pm

re: #444 reine.de.tout

It was my understanding that the employee provided documents indicating she was legal to hire, and that Whitman filled out the I-9 form like she was supposed to.

But also - there are problems with what are you exactly supposed to do, if you get a "no match" letter? I've gotten them. Here's a part of it:

It's illegal to hire someone who isn't legal to hire.
It's also possibly illegal to take action against someone you've hired who turns out to not be legal to hire. It's a mess. Sorta like the affirmative action reports we had to do. We were required by the government to report, by job group and class, the number of minorities and females in each. At the same time, we were prohibited by law from requiring employees to, you know, tell us their gender and race. We had to hope folks would give us that info voluntarily (and they did). But it was still weird.

Actually, we also had to report the same stats on applicants for jobs, as well as who we hired. But we could not require applicants to give us the info. And having the interviewer do a "visual inspection" of the person and report what race he/she THOUGHT the person was - well, that's a huge mistake, as well. It's just not at all accurate.

452 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:46:17pm

re: #443 SanFranciscoZionist

That's one way it looks. The women I've seen on the street covered less and had peripheral vision.

But the issue is that I DON'T decide.

this is what it looks like from behind the burqa

453 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:47:02pm

re: #428 jaunte

A liberal society has to accept that people are free to make choices that might not be in their best interest.

Sure. And we accept that all the time. The FLDS is a key example.

454 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:47:05pm

re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist

I know that in France they've decided little boys can't wear yarmulkes to school. That's what I know about France.

yeeg. :(

455 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:47:29pm

re: #447 WindUpBird

Oh I know I'm a pain sometimes! If anyone agrees with every position I take (especially on fashion!) that means they're probably one of three people I already know :D

You are not a pain. I do have to admit I listen for only about 1 and 1/2 seconds when I click on your music links. I do at least try.

456 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:47:33pm

re: #428 jaunte

A liberal society has to accept that people are free to make choices that might not be in their best interest.

Have you SEEN the pants the kids today are wearing? :D

457 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:47:34pm

re: #438 SanFranciscoZionist

But the numbers of women wearing them are very, very small. Remember, three hundred women in the Netherlands. How many in France?

More than in the Netherlands? Algerian Fundamentalism is a problem. Again, I can't speak for the French, but their domestic disturbances have been huge in the last few years. Does this directly connect to their banning of burqas? I have no idea. But I would assume that Islamic Fundamentalism has got their attention.

Just sayin;...

458 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:48:11pm

re: #409 WindUpBird

As someone who has been known to wear a lot of clothes in crazy heat for the sake of fandom or general zaniness, you really get used to it if you're smart about conserving your energy

I mean, guys in Iraq are toting around rifles and gear and backpacks and wearing bulletproof vests and they can do it in that heat, some lady in a sheet, not too hard if you're prepared.

a thing that's difficult is emoting and being "on" and in character when you're wearing a lot of clothes in the heat. Drink lots of water in that case o_o

WUB - I would pass out, no ifs, ands or buts about it - if I had to wear lots of clothes in the heat. It's happened. I cannot take it.

459 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:48:23pm

re: #437 WindUpBird

Hyperupscale :D

Is that where the shop is like made entirely out of underlit lucite and there's only three objects in the store with no price tags, and there's a Bentley Continental GT parked out front?

Basically, yes. I can't remember why the hell my scruffy husband and I were passing through, and from the look niqab woman gave me, she couldn't either. My shoes were from LL. BEAN.

460 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:48:35pm

re: #439 WindUpBird

See, when you use words like "tainted" you're just not someone I can talk about this stuff with

How so? Don't you think people who associate with racists pick up a taint? I think it the same way for people who are Communists. Their extremely bad judgment in being a Communist taints any other argument they make.

461 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:48:39pm

re: #446 Stanley Sea

Palin, on the other hand, takes me to a whole 'nother realm.

Yeah, that would be a different story. I don't think I'd ever be ready for a Palin presidency.

462 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:48:42pm

re: #449 SanFranciscoZionist

Or worse, they will start to wear bikinis, and become Miss USA, and then Hezbollah will win!

//Sorry, channeling Debbie Schlussel

Well wait a minute. Women in bikinis.. I can get behind that.

463 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:50:04pm

re: #455 prairiefire

You are not a pain. I do have to admit I listen for only about 1 and 1/2 seconds when I click on your music links. I do at least try.

You try, though! :D Just assume that any links I post are going to be heavy rock because that's really all I know anything about.

(though now I'm challenged to find something strange from my library you might actually like)

464 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:50:12pm

re: #444 reine.de.tout

It was my understanding that the employee provided documents indicating she was legal to hire, and that Whitman filled out the I-9 form like she was supposed to.

But also - there are problems with what are you exactly supposed to do, if you get a "no match" letter? I've gotten them. Here's a part of it:

It's illegal to hire someone who isn't legal to hire.
It's also possibly illegal to take action against someone you've hired who turns out to not be legal to hire. It's a mess. Sorta like the affirmative action reports we had to do. We were required by the government to report, by job group and class, the number of minorities and females in each. At the same time, we were prohibited by law from requiring employees to, you know, tell us their gender and race. We had to hope folks would give us that info voluntarily (and they did). But it was still weird.

Just a few things the critics might miss. :)

465 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:51:38pm

re: #458 reine.de.tout

WUB - I would pass out, no ifs, ands or buts about it - if I had to wear lots of clothes in the heat. It's happened. I cannot take it.

fair enough!

I'm someone who doesn't do well in the heat, though to my knowledge I've never passed out in the heat. I think it's about motivation, I can power through it if I really want to, much the way I'll stand out in the rain like a drowned rat for a festival show I really want to see.

466 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:52:38pm

re: #440 jaunte

About 2,000, I think.

There are nearly 63 million people in France.

How much of a social issue can this actually be?

467 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:52:39pm

re: #460 Dark_Falcon

How so? Don't you think people who associate with racists pick up a taint? I think it the same way for people who are Communists. Their extremely bad judgment in being a Communist taints any other argument they make.

I TOTALLY do not agree with you equating communists with racists, you're basically right there with McCarthy, man

468 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:52:55pm

re: #463 WindUpBird

Thinking...when my grandparents died in 1985, there was a ballad put out by a hard rock band, something about dreams, not their usual stuff. Any ideas? I can't remember. I think the guy wrote it for his young son. My grandparents were killed in a car crash by a drunk driver. The song meant a lot to me.

469 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:53:25pm

re: #458 reine.de.tout

WUB - I would pass out, no ifs, ands or buts about it - if I had to wear lots of clothes in the heat. It's happened. I cannot take it.

I know what you mean.

470 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:54:24pm

re: #468 prairiefire

Thinking...when my grandparents died in 1985, there was a ballad put out by a hard rock band, something about dreams, not their usual stuff. Any ideas? I can't remember. I think the guy wrote it for his young son. My grandparents were killed in a car crash by a drunk driver. The song meant a lot to me.

could have been:

471 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:54:32pm

re: #444 reine.de.tout

It was my understanding that the employee provided documents indicating she was legal to hire, and that Whitman filled out the I-9 form like she was supposed to.

But also - there are problems with what are you exactly supposed to do, if you get a "no match" letter? I've gotten them. Here's a part of it:

It's illegal to hire someone who isn't legal to hire.
It's also possibly illegal to take action against someone you've hired who turns out to not be legal to hire. It's a mess. Sorta like the affirmative action reports we had to do. We were required by the government to report, by job group and class, the number of minorities and females in each. At the same time, we were prohibited by law from requiring employees to, you know, tell us their gender and race. We had to hope folks would give us that info voluntarily (and they did). But it was still weird.

All this is true, but I strongly suspect that Whitman knew the score. I need to read more of what's coming out on it, although since my vote was decided long before this, it's maybe not so important.

472 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:55:04pm

re: #407 publicityStunted

Perhaps they'd reconsider the ban if one of these came in Dutch flag colors? :P

"This beautiful burqa is made in Herat, Afghanistan and it is worn by
the elite class of women in Western Afghanistan. It comes with more
embroidery."

I'm sorry... but it just strikes a nerve that any society would expect the women - their wives, daughters, sisters - to be so covered in any public setting.
It de-humanizes the woman. They are not to be recognized for the person they are, they are not worthy of being recognized for who they are as an individual.

That is just wrong.

473 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:55:05pm

re: #470 WindUpBird

that's not really a ballad though, let me think

474 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:55:24pm

re: #466 SanFranciscoZionist

Politics: Sarkozy rallying the nativist troops.

So why is Sarkozy so hot for it? According to some observers, the new law is part of his reaction to the disastrous regional elections last month — where conservatives trounced in what many experts say was a proxy punishment of Sarkozy himself. The reason: traditional rightists who elected him president in 2007 are disgusted with the ideological incoherency of a leadership that often borrows ideas — and cabinet members — from the center and left. Since the March massacre, Sarkozy has hammered at themes dear to conservative voters, like reducing government spending, shrinking the number of state employees and continuing with reform. Just this week, Sarkozy staged a high-profile visit to a suburban Paris housing project that had recently been rocked by violent unrest to deliver a law-and-order promise to "harass delinquents."

Some pundits charge that Sarkozy's call for the introduction of an anti-burqa law is another gesture to alienated conservative voters and their concerns — this time over immigration and the increasingly multi-cultural nature of French society.
[Link: www.time.com...]

475 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:56:05pm

You know what I liked about tonight? Great discussions. Good give and take. Respect. No bomb throwing. An admission that politics and policy have nuance.

Real-world conversation and not an echo chamber.

God Bless Us Every One.

(And this from a Deist!)

And goodnight, my dear Lizards.

476 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:56:27pm

re: #474 jaunte

I think Time meant to say 'where conservative were trounced."

477 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:56:41pm

re: #470 WindUpBird

No, this band was more hard core metal.

478 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:56:47pm

Oops. I updinged something I didn't want to upding and now I feel if I reverse it it would be rude.

479 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:57:02pm

re: #452 WindUpBird

this is what it looks like from behind the burqa

You know the thing that creeps me out most about burqas? It's not the anonymity or the limited visual range, though those are bad. It was when I realized that the ones most Afghan women wear are polyester.

In that climate. AGH.

480 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:57:29pm

re: #478 Gus 802

Oops. I updinged something I didn't want to upding and now I feel if I reverse it it would be rude.

Now we all want to know.

481 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:58:16pm

re: #480 jaunte

Now we all want to know.

Oh. #460. I reversed it. Didn't really want to down ding either. I think my neck pain sometimes makes me do weird things.

482 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:58:50pm

re: #477 prairiefire

No, this band was more hard core metal.

I'm racking my brain for ballads that were from bands in the 80s that fit the bill, tough one!

483 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:59:00pm

re: #467 WindUpBird

I TOTALLY do not agree with you equating communists with racists, you're basically right there with McCarthy, man

Communists tend to have target lists of people and jobs they hate (and have in the past tried to kill). Credit Managers like my grandfather, Corporate Managers like my father and Salesmen like me tend to be on Communist's proscription lists. They also seek to take away they freedom I hold dear. Such people are indeed tainted to me.

484 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:59:39pm
485 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:59:59pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

All this is true, but I strongly suspect that Whitman knew the score. I need to read more of what's coming out on it, although since my vote was decided long before this, it's maybe not so important.

I think it's important, whether or not your vote was decided.

Someone upthread said she should have/could have used this as a springboard for an immigration reform discussion. As far as I know, the last crew that put a roof on my house was illegal. I have no clue. And I don't care. They were the only folks I could find who were available.

Before the Great Flouncing, I mentioned once that there are indeed jobs that citizens won't do, and had a buncha folks upset with me. But it's true.

486 cliffster  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:00:25pm

my bed beckons. good night.. peace and purpose to all yall

487 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:00:43pm

re: #481 Gus 802

Oh. #460. I reversed it. Didn't really want to down ding either. I think my neck pain sometimes makes me do weird things.

That was my comment. Do explain, please. I promise I will not be hostile.

488 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:00:45pm

re: #473 WindUpBird

that's not really a ballad though, let me think

Darn, just checked Metalica on Wiki and did not see it. Oh, well, we will think on it. I think it was in the top one hundred songs and I'm pretty certain it was before the end of the year, 1985.
Night, lizards.

489 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:03:31pm

re: #487 Dark_Falcon

That was my comment. Do explain, please. I promise I will not be hostile.

Oh. It wasn't much really. Just wanted to say that we should not confuse academic Communists with historical ones. Many will find Marxist theory appealing but that doesn't mean they endorse the actions of former Communist dictators. There are levels of intensity with each individual. And like you mentioned before about them having lists of people and things they hate -- that's really a universal human behavior.

490 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:03:46pm

re: #464 Rightwingconspirator

Just a few things the critics might miss. :)

Critics like...Meg Whitman?

//Sorry, couldn't resist.

491 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:04:30pm

re: #483 Dark_Falcon

Communists tend to have target lists of people and jobs they hate (and have in the past tried to kill). Credit Managers like my grandfather, Corporate Managers like my father and Salesmen like me tend to be on Communist's proscription lists. They also seek to take away they freedom I hold dear. Such people are indeed tainted to me.

Well, any government if you let it get out of control is going to start taking away freedoms and restricting peoples' commerce. I don't agree with the system of government either, but I'm also not going to reject the thoughts of anyone who happens to have some assoccciation with it, that seems very thought-policey to me.

492 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:04:57pm

re: #489 Gus 802

Oh. It wasn't much really. Just wanted to say that we should not confuse academic Communists with historical ones. Many will find Marxist theory appealing but that doesn't mean they endorse the actions of former Communist dictators. There are levels of intensity with each individual. And like you mentioned before about them having lists of people and things they hate -- that's really a universal human behavior.

Exxxactly

493 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:05:14pm

re: #487 Dark_Falcon

That was my comment. Do explain, please. I promise I will not be hostile.

And having said what I just said I don't really find groups like International A.N.S.W.E.R. appealing at all. Usually I can only take about 120 seconds of their rhetoric.

494 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:05:19pm

re: #489 Gus 802

Oh. It wasn't much really. Just wanted to say that we should not confuse academic Communists with historical ones. Many will find Marxist theory appealing but that doesn't mean they endorse the actions of former Communist dictators. There are levels of intensity with each individual. And like you mentioned before about them having lists of people and things they hate -- that's really a universal human behavior.

Good point.

495 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:06:04pm

re: #467 WindUpBird

I TOTALLY do not agree with you equating communists with racists, you're basically right there with McCarthy, man

I'd also point out that Engels was a theorist. He and Marx were pretty sincere about what they believed, and were responding to real and horrific abuses in the world around them. I think it's a long shot to taint them with what happened subsequently in Communist nations. Man died in 1895.

496 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:06:09pm

re: #485 reine.de.tout

I think it's important, whether or not your vote was decided.

Someone upthread said she should have/could have used this as a springboard for an immigration reform discussion. As far as I know, the last crew that put a roof on my house was illegal. I have no clue. And I don't care. They were the only folks I could find who were available.

Before the Great Flouncing, I mentioned once that there are indeed jobs that citizens won't do, and had a buncha folks upset with me. But it's true.

Without illegal labor in America, our country collapses, our food supply implodes.

So I'm not really concerned when someone uses illegal labor. Because all of us do, whether we know it or not

497 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:06:51pm

re: #495 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd also point out that Engels was a theorist. He and Marx were pretty sincere about what they believed, and were responding to real and horrific abuses in the world around them. I think it's a long shot to taint them with what happened subsequently in Communist nations. Man died in 1895.

I'm just boldfacing all this :D

498 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:07:58pm

re: #496 WindUpBird

Without illegal labor in America, our country collapses, our food supply implodes.

So I'm not really concerned when someone uses illegal labor. Because all of us do, whether we know it or not

There's a survivalist dude somewhere wearing homespun and growing his own food. He smells and looks funky, but he's not using illegal labor.

499 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:08:52pm

re: #491 WindUpBird

Well, any government if you let it get out of control is going to start taking away freedoms and restricting peoples' commerce. I don't agree with the system of government either, but I'm also not going to reject the thoughts of anyone who happens to have some assoccciation with it, that seems very thought-policey to me.

I'd argue its only thought-police if you try to force others to disregard that person. I think some of it is the circles we move in. The people I talk about political matters to in real life are almost all right-of-center. Engels is not someone one of us would use to ground an argument.

500 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:09:37pm

re: #498 EmmmieG

There's a survivalist dude somewhere wearing homespun and growing his own food. He smells and looks funky, but he's not using illegal labor.

Well, God bless him, and I hope his soybeans do well this year, but I'm probably not going to join him.

501 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:10:56pm

re: #500 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, God bless him, and I hope his soybeans do well this year, but I'm probably not going to join him.

Actually, he's looking for a good woman to card his wool while wearing an AK-47 on her back just in case the black helicopters attack. How good would you be at decorating a bunker?

502 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:11:09pm

re: #493 Gus 802

And having said what I just said I don't really find groups like International A.N.S.W.E.R. appealing at all. Usually I can only take about 120 seconds of their rhetoric.

OK. I can both understand and respect that.

503 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:11:38pm

Something to remember about Engels: he worked in manufacturing in London at a time when child labor was ubiquitous, worker's rights nonexistent, and one in 50 buildings in London was a brothel. I don't know WHAT I might have written under such circumstances.

504 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:12:54pm

re: #501 EmmmieG

Actually, he's looking for a good woman to card his wool while wearing an AK-47 on her back just in case the black helicopters attack. How good would you be at decorating a bunker?

I don't know, but I can work a drop spindle pretty good. (SCA). Never fired an AK. I'm OK with an old-fashioned 38 revolver.

505 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:12:57pm

re: #498 EmmmieG

There's a survivalist dude somewhere wearing homespun and growing his own food. He smells and looks funky, but he's not using illegal labor.

Okay, there's that guy!

I'm pretty sure the Jackson Whites are safe too

506 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:13:28pm

re: #504 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know, but I can work a drop spindle pretty good. (SCA). Never fired an AK. I'm OK with an old-fashioned 38 revolver.

AKs are really easy to fire, I was not a good shot with one, but I was a better shot than anything else I've fired

507 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:13:55pm

re: #503 SanFranciscoZionist

Something to remember about Engels: he worked in manufacturing in London at a time when child labor was ubiquitous, worker's rights nonexistent, and one in 50 buildings in London was a brothel. I don't know WHAT I might have written under such circumstances.

I probably would have just committed arson until they killed me in the streets

508 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:14:18pm

re: #499 Dark_Falcon

I'd argue its only thought-police if you try to force others to disregard that person. I think some of it is the circles we move in. The people I talk about political matters to in real life are almost all right-of-center. Engels is not someone one of us would use to ground an argument.

See SFZ's #503

509 jaunte  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:14:24pm

re: #503 SanFranciscoZionist

Something to remember about Engels: he worked in manufacturing in London at a time when child labor was ubiquitous, worker's rights nonexistent, and one in 50 buildings in London was a brothel. I don't know WHAT I might have written under such circumstances.

That might tend to influence your point of view.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

510 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:14:50pm

re: #504 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know, but I can work a drop spindle pretty good. (SCA). Never fired an AK. I'm OK with an old-fashioned 38 revolver.

My father swore he once saw a family at a gun show where the entire family, including the little girl, was dressed in camo with a pistol on her hip and a rifle on her back.

Then, my father exaggerates, so it might have just been a pistol.

But these people are out there.

Personally? Any man who asks me to live without a dishwasher and a washing machine would be laughed out of the room.

511 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:15:26pm

re: #485 reine.de.tout

I think it's important, whether or not your vote was decided.

Someone upthread said she should have/could have used this as a springboard for an immigration reform discussion. As far as I know, the last crew that put a roof on my house was illegal. I have no clue. And I don't care. They were the only folks I could find who were available.

Before the Great Flouncing, I mentioned once that there are indeed jobs that citizens won't do, and had a buncha folks upset with me. But it's true.

There are definitely jobs in this country that legal residents do not want to do, for the wages that are being paid. I have recently hired a caregiver for an elder, and that is one of those jobs. I have asked weekly for 4 weeks about the immigration status of this hire. The agency and the hire have all assured me that there is a green card, and valid social security number in place. How am I ( and why am I) required to be the person who verifies this?

512 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:16:11pm

re: #510 EmmmieG

My father swore he once saw a family at a gun show where the entire family, including the little girl, was dressed in camo with a pistol on her hip and a rifle on her back.

Then, my father exaggerates, so it might have just been a pistol.

But these people are out there.

Personally? Any man who asks me to live without a dishwasher and a washing machine would be laughed out of the room.

I did without a dishwasher for many years in my various crappy apartments, but we still had a washing machine! (coinop, but still)

513 darthstar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:16:33pm

re: #122 negativ

A Twitter account following 713,235 users would be as near to unusable as makes no odds.

I'm guessing that's a remnant of one of the recent twitter bugs where one could send a tweet and the recipient automatically became a follower.

514 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:17:35pm

re: #501 EmmmieG

Actually, he's looking for a good woman to card his wool while wearing an AK-47 on her back just in case the black helicopters attack. How good would you be at decorating a bunker?

LOL!
He lives a couple of blocks from here!
I see him every day!

515 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:18:10pm

re: #511 Floral Giraffe

There are definitely jobs in this country that legal residents do not want to do, for the wages that are being paid. I have recently hired a caregiver for an elder, and that is one of those jobs. I have asked weekly for 4 weeks about the immigration status of this hire. The agency and the hire have all assured me that there is a green card, and valid social security number in place. How am I ( and why am I) required to be the person who verifies this?

My former job (caregiver health care type job) just canned a bunch of illegals from the company, which was pretty great because in more than one case, there were houses where the only full time, competent workers were the illegals. So now there are houses that are in danger of being shut down because the corporate culture of the house imploded. YEAH!

516 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:18:25pm

re: #510 EmmmieG

My father swore he once saw a family at a gun show where the entire family, including the little girl, was dressed in camo with a pistol on her hip and a rifle on her back.

Then, my father exaggerates, so it might have just been a pistol.

But these people are out there.

Personally? Any man who asks me to live without a dishwasher and a washing machine would be laughed out of the room.

I could do without, but holding down a full-time job and doing without is another matter altogether.

And me man may end up an at-home dad, but a house-husband he is not.

517 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:18:28pm

re: #512 WindUpBird

I did without a dishwasher for many years in my various crappy apartments, but we still had a washing machine! (coinop, but still)

I didn't have much problem doing dishes for me. When we had a power outage, doing dishes for seven people left me pretty cranky.

Did you know the inventor of the dishwasher was a woman? Not surprising, except that she didn't do dishes. She invented the dishwasher because her servants kept breaking her expensive antique china.

518 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:19:39pm

re: #506 WindUpBird

AKs are really easy to fire, I was not a good shot with one, but I was a better shot than anything else I've fired

Gen. Kalashnikov designed his rifle with just such a purpose in mind: Something cheap and easy to build, but that could be used effectively with a minimum of skills and training. A very different design philosophy than that of Eugene Stoner (the designer of the AR-15). Stoner actually never liked the .223 cartridge, much preferring the .30-06 and .308 caliber rounds (he had used the M1 Garand while in the Army). Thus his weapons took much more skill to use and maintain, but are more accurate.

519 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:19:56pm

re: #516 SanFranciscoZionist

I could do without, but holding down a full-time job and doing without is another matter altogether.

And me man may end up an at-home dad, but a house-husband he is not.

Viva nerds! My brother is a househusband :D

520 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:20:38pm

re: #518 Dark_Falcon

note I will never question your knowledge of military hardware ;-)

521 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:20:44pm

re: #512 WindUpBird

I did without a dishwasher for many years in my various crappy apartments, but we still had a washing machine! (coinop, but still)

The dishwasher keeps my husband alive.

When we first moved in together, I made him dinner. Afterward, he thanked me for dinner, and walked into the living room and put his feet up to watch TV while I started on the dishes.

I almost killed him.

The dishwasher prevents this from escalating.

They say the sons of lesbian mothers don't learn traditional gender roles, by the way. This is not the hell true.

522 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:22:08pm

re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist

You tell the best stories, and your life is so different than mine.
I enjoy your posts, very much!

523 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:22:53pm

re: #493 Gus 802

And having said what I just said I don't really find groups like International A.N.S.W.E.R. appealing at all. Usually I can only take about 120 seconds of their rhetoric.

that would be about 115 seconds longer than me ;)

524 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:23:05pm

re: #522 Floral Giraffe

You tell the best stories, and your life is so different than mine.
I enjoy your posts, very much!

Why, thank you!

525 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:23:19pm

re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist

The dishwasher keeps my husband alive.

When we first moved in together, I made him dinner. Afterward, he thanked me for dinner, and walked into the living room and put his feet up to watch TV while I started on the dishes.

I almost killed him.

The dishwasher prevents this from escalating.

They say the sons of lesbian mothers don't learn traditional gender roles, by the way. This is not the hell true.

I would think it would be the reverse. My husband doesn't do laundry because his mother did it.

Wouldn't his mothers have been twice as bad with two of them?

(Trust me, FIL did not do dishes or laundry until the divorce--which was not the reason for the divorce.)

526 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:23:51pm

re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist

The dishwasher keeps my husband alive.

When we first moved in together, I made him dinner. Afterward, he thanked me for dinner, and walked into the living room and put his feet up to watch TV while I started on the dishes.

I almost killed him.

The dishwasher prevents this from escalating.

They say the sons of lesbian mothers don't learn traditional gender roles, by the way. This is not the hell true.

Ayiee :D

527 calochortus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:24:11pm

re: #504 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know, but I can work a drop spindle pretty good. (SCA). Never fired an AK. I'm OK with an old-fashioned 38 revolver.

Just had to jump in with the comment that I spin, too, though usually on a wheel rather than a spindle. Never shot any sort of gun, but I've done a little archery. Keep the past alive...

528 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:24:18pm

re: #525 EmmmieG

I would think it would be the reverse. My husband doesn't do laundry because his mother did it.

Wouldn't his mothers have been twice as bad with two of them?

(Trust me, FIL did not do dishes or laundry until the divorce--which was not the reason for the divorce.)

Basically. Two moms...and MIL2, the lady we just lost, was one hell of a cook and housekeeper.

529 darthstar  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:25:02pm

re: #525 EmmmieG

I would think it would be the reverse. My husband doesn't do laundry because his mother did it.

Wouldn't his mothers have been twice as bad with two of them?

(Trust me, FIL did not do dishes or laundry until the divorce--which was not the reason for the divorce.)

My mom did my laundry growing up. I do laundry for both my wife and myself, except when she does it. And I do almost all of the ironing (I like to sing "I'll iron for you..." to my wife when I'm ironing her skirts or blouses in the morning)

530 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:25:30pm

re: #528 SanFranciscoZionist

Basically. Two moms...and MIL2, the lady we just lost, was one hell of a cook and housekeeper.

One of my friends in college somehow let herself be talked into doing boyfriend's laundry. He brought her some hangers, too.

"My mother hangs up my t-shirts."

She handed them back.

"That's nice."

(I can't figure out why she was doing the laundry of a guy she was just barely dating.)

531 CarleeCork  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:25:50pm

re: #517 EmmmieG
THAT is so believable.

532 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:26:01pm
533 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:26:42pm

re: #532 Gus 802


aahahahaha

534 CarleeCork  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:27:37pm

re: #529 darthstar
Swoon.

535 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:28:43pm

re: #529 darthstar

My mom did my laundry growing up. I do laundry for both my wife and myself, except when she does it. And I do almost all of the ironing (I like to sing "I'll iron for you..." to my wife when I'm ironing her skirts or blouses in the morning)

In defense of my husband, while he has never done laundry, he has done stuff involving the plumbing that I couldn't even watch.

536 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:29:20pm

re: #528 SanFranciscoZionist

Basically. Two moms...and MIL2, the lady we just lost, was one hell of a cook and housekeeper.

At one point when we were first dating, my husband was living with his moms, his sister, and her little girl who was three. (She had just left her husband and moved home.)

His niece called him 'the man'.

"Is the man coming with us?"

"Let me show the man what I drew!"

They tried to get her to switch to "Uncle", or his first name, or, really, anything, but no, he was "the man".

She's thirteen now, and has learned his name, luckily.

537 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:30:15pm

I hated washing dishes after I ate. That was an outgrowth of having to wash them after we'd have dinner around 10:30 PM Argentinian style and then having to wash the dishes after being yelled at by my mom. By then it was already late and I was half asleep.

Later I'd be around some people that would go straight to the sink and/or dishwasher but only that it almost seemed like they were detailing, make that sterilizing the kitchen so that everything was super dooper clean and ready for surgery.

538 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:31:28pm

re: #532 Gus 802

Image: trotsky.jpg

I hadn't realized that Frida Kahlo carried on with Trotsky while his wife was living with them.

If I had been Mrs. Trotsky I might have ice-picked her.

539 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:31:31pm

re: #536 SanFranciscoZionist

ahahaha The Man

Now I'm imagining your neice showing a guy who looks like a secret service agent what she drew

540 Jadespring  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:33:48pm

re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist

The dishwasher keeps my husband alive.

When we first moved in together, I made him dinner. Afterward, he thanked me for dinner, and walked into the living room and put his feet up to watch TV while I started on the dishes.

I almost killed him.

The dishwasher prevents this from escalating.

They say the sons of lesbian mothers don't learn traditional gender roles, by the way. This is not the hell true.

Hee. :)

I grew up thinking that it was more the mans job to do dishes. Actually even today if I think stereotypical traditional gender roles dishes gets slotted in the male list. Mom cooked. Dad cleaned up. This seemed to me a perfectly fair way of breaking up the work. It sure got me in trouble though when I when at around age 7 I went to friends house for dinner.
I couldn't understand why her mom after doing all the work cooking had to clean up too while the friends dad just parked himself on the couch and watched tv. So of course I just had to ask about it. The dad actually told me that it was a woman's job to do dishes. I remember being quite shocked and though I can't remember exactly what I said but it did have something to do with what was "fair" and something about how men sure did do dishes. Then he said something about men who did weren't really men or something which in my mine equaled him saying my dad wasn't a man. I think I told him he was stupid and really mean.

Anyways that was the last time I ever went to her house for dinner. :)

541 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:37:16pm

re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist

The dishwasher keeps my husband alive.

When we first moved in together, I made him dinner. Afterward, he thanked me for dinner, and walked into the living room and put his feet up to watch TV while I started on the dishes.

I almost killed him.

The dishwasher prevents this from escalating.

They say the sons of lesbian mothers don't learn traditional gender roles, by the way. This is not the hell true.

My wife and I went for several years without one when the original broke down in her house ( I had an apartment when we first met and I moved in after 6 months). I proudly took that over since I couldn't see the reason to spend the money for a new one.
She was amazed - me, it was a way for us to share time and talk after dinner ;)

542 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:38:37pm

re: #540 Jadespring

I think the tradition was usually whoever doesn't make the meal washes the dishes. Sometimes it's shared. I haven't heard anyone talk about cooking or washing dishes as being "women's work" in ages.

543 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:42:07pm
544 Jadespring  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:42:34pm

re: #542 Gus 802

I think the tradition was usually whoever doesn't make the meal washes the dishes. Sometimes it's shared. I haven't heard anyone talk about cooking or washing dishes as being "women's work" in ages.

This was in the late seventies. After that happened I actually asked a whole bunch of my classmates (I've always had a curious mind) about who did dishes in their house and found out that 'dad' doing dishes wasn't as normal as a I thought it was.

545 CarleeCork  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:42:38pm

re: #540 Jadespring
I have never understood why women are now expected to go to work, have the babies, take care of the babies, cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, do the marketing.......blah, blah, blah.

Why should women have to do three jobs and earn less money???

546 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:43:20pm

re: #529 darthstar

My mom did my laundry growing up. I do laundry for both my wife and myself, except when she does it. And I do almost all of the ironing (I like to sing "I'll iron for you..." to my wife when I'm ironing her skirts or blouses in the morning)

lol, I do all the ironing in our household - the USN did teach me a few good skills ;)

Between that, and driving - Dearest will say upon occasion that she would have married sooner if she knew the man would take care of those things in her life ;)

And rodent control....

I'll tell everyone the time I live trapped a raccoon that was getting into our basement and the cat door into the house - and her reaction - another time... ;)

547 sagehen  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:44:00pm

re: #513 darthstar

I'm guessing that's a remnant of one of the recent twitter bugs where one could send a tweet and the recipient automatically became a follower.

Or they're doing some kind of statistical analysis of the people who follow their feed...

548 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:45:04pm

re: #536 SanFranciscoZionist

hahahahaha - "The Man!
Priceless!

549 avanti  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:46:36pm

Great graphic of just how conservative the GOP is this cycle, just mouse over the chart at the link.

GOP.

550 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:46:45pm

re: #544 Jadespring

This was in the late seventies. After that happened I actually asked a whole bunch of my classmates (I've always had a curious mind) about who did dishes in their house and found out that 'dad' doing dishes wasn't as normal as a I thought it was.

Late 70s would be about right. When I think back about the 70s it reminds me of how much we've changed as a society. I imagine there are a lot of people around that still hold to old ways of thinking.

551 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:47:42pm

I just looked at the clock, and I am trying to get over a cold, so I will "see" you all later.

Also, CarleeCork--you are right, having the babies is work. In my last pregnancy, I would fall asleep on the couch in the mornings, and I could hear the kids tiptoeing around me.

"Don't wake her up and we won't have to do school."

That woke me up, every time.

552 Ericus58  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:48:50pm

Good Night all. I'll catch some of you in about 7 hours ;)

553 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:49:32pm

I need to head to bed. Sorry about the early departures, but I have to get up at 6:05 these days. Have a great day tomorrow!

554 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:51:20pm

re: #553 Dark_Falcon

I need to head to bed. Sorry about the early departures, but I have to get up at 6:05 these days. Have a great day tomorrow!

Sell it all, so you can go home early!
Happy Friday, tomorrow!

555 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:51:23pm

re: #549 avanti

Great graphic of just how conservative the GOP is this cycle, just mouse over the chart at the link.

GOP.

No path to citizenship for ALL illegal immigrants?

Cripes. They're never going to pass immigration reform.

556 Jadespring  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:53:40pm

re: #545 CarleeCork

I have never understood why women are now expected to go to work, have the babies, take care of the babies, cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, do the marketing...blah, blah, blah.

Why should women have to do three jobs and earn less money???

I dunno. That idea has changed quite a bit though. I don't really know people like that anymore and the ones similar to that sort of attitude are all older. In my peer group most of the work is shared or traditional roles reversed. Several of my guy friends have ended up staying at home with the kids while the wife works and they're all happy with that arrangement. Whereas I am living what some people would say is more 'traditional' arrangement, husband works outside the home and I work in the home. If we have kids I'll stay home with them. It's not a big deal though because it's not expected or presumed that's my role. It's a choice. That's the difference for me.
I talked with my Grandma about this once. She talked about how when she was my age she had way less choices and the social gender role pressures. She was a rebel at the time because she actually went out and worked for a bit and refused to get married right away. She ended up getting married at 27 which at the time was considered to be old, old, old. She said she'd already been written off as a spinster by then. :)

557 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:57:26pm

I see Drudge is riling up the whites tonight.

558 Jadespring  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:59:06pm

re: #557 Gus 802

I see Drudge is riling up the whites tonight.

What am I supposed to be upset about now?

559 sagehen  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:00:27pm

re: #542 Gus 802

I think the tradition was usually whoever doesn't make the meal washes the dishes. Sometimes it's shared. I haven't heard anyone talk about cooking or washing dishes as being "women's work" in ages.

At my brother's house the kids (teens) do all the cooking -- one of them really enjoys getting creative about it, the other two are just trying to get out of ever having to vacuum or do laundry or pick up dogshit in the yard.

560 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:00:53pm

re: #558 Jadespring

What am I supposed to be upset about now?

Let's see. On the side he has:

HIP HOP BARACK!
VIDEO: 'IT TOOK TIME TO FREE THE SLAVES'...
Democratic National Committee enlisted artist B.o.B to perform...
Lyrics: 'I'm Dat Ni**a'...

And the headline reads:

PUMP UP THE BASE: 'IT TOOK TIME TO FREE THE SLAVES'

Under an image of Obama.

561 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:02:39pm

re: #560 Gus 802

Let's see. On the side he has:

And the headline reads:

Under an image of Obama.

Wow...

562 Jadespring  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:04:34pm

re: #560 Gus 802

Let's see. On the side he has:

And the headline reads:

Under an image of Obama.



Oh jimminy crickets on a tea cracker, I'm so mad now I could spit bricks at the fox in the hen house!!!

563 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:04:45pm

re: #561 Walter L. Newton

Wow...

Seems pretty creepy. But, I guess I'm used to it. I don't know.

564 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:09:07pm

re: #529 darthstar

My mom did my laundry growing up. I do laundry for both my wife and myself, except when she does it. And I do almost all of the ironing (I like to sing "I'll iron for you..." to my wife when I'm ironing her skirts or blouses in the morning)

I have two laundry baskets.
One for regular stuff, towels, etc., because IF the Roi does laundry, which he will do, he WILL wash everything on HOT, and he WILL dry everything on the highest possible heat setting. I had full-length leggings for an adult that turned into capri-length leggings for a 3-year old. I got a second basket he is NOT allowed to touch.

565 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:11:37pm

re: #556 Jadespring

I dunno. That idea has changed quite a bit though. I don't really know people like that anymore and the ones similar to that sort of attitude are all older. In my peer group most of the work is shared or traditional roles reversed. Several of my guy friends have ended up staying at home with the kids while the wife works and they're all happy with that arrangement. Whereas I am living what some people would say is more 'traditional' arrangement, husband works outside the home and I work in the home. If we have kids I'll stay home with them. It's not a big deal though because it's not expected or presumed that's my role. It's a choice. That's the difference for me.
I talked with my Grandma about this once. She talked about how when she was my age she had way less choices and the social gender role pressures. She was a rebel at the time because she actually went out and worked for a bit and refused to get married right away. She ended up getting married at 27 which at the time was considered to be old, old, old. She said she'd already been written off as a spinster by then. :)

I worked while my daughter was growing up. I loved the work, loved my job, glad I had the choice, but let me tell you - when I retired, things got easier for BOTH of us, not just for me. Thinking back, I cannot figure out how I managed to do it. There's no way I could do it now.

566 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:11:48pm

re: #562 Jadespring

Oh jimminy crickets on a tea cracker, I'm so mad now I could spit bricks at the fox in the hen house!!!

All it says is that B.o.B performed at the event. Doesn't report what song he sang. Drudge just went ahead and linked to the lyrics of a rap song he wrote but doesn't make any reference to the event.

567 Jadespring  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:13:16pm

re: #566 Gus 802

All it says is that B.o.B performed at the event. Doesn't report what song he sang. Drudge just went ahead and linked to the lyrics of a rap song he wrote but doesn't make any reference to the event.

Yeah it's pretty slimy. It will work though. That's what is sad.

568 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:14:08pm

re: #567 Jadespring

Yeah it's pretty slimy. It will work though. That's what is sad.

Yeah. Wingnuts will believe anything. Plus that anything leads to massive amounts of groupthink. They take the lead from Drudge since he sets the tone.

569 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:17:47pm

Ah, here we go.

[Link: www.genfortyfour.com...]

That should rub it in their faces.

570 SpaceJesus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:21:45pm

well, charles isn't coming back. who is the new leader?

571 SpaceJesus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:22:03pm

i nominate myself

572 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:25:23pm

re: #571 SpaceJesus

i nominate myself

Do something! Everyone's falling asleep!

573 Jadespring  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:26:57pm

re: #565 reine.de.tout

I worked while my daughter was growing up. I loved the work, loved my job, glad I had the choice, but let me tell you - when I retired, things got easier for BOTH of us, not just for me. Thinking back, I cannot figure out how I managed to do it. There's no way I could do it now.

I could do it (work, keep house, raise kids) and could manage it but frankly I don't want to because I know how much work it is. I'm grateful that if we do have kids that we'll be in a position where staying home would be feasible. That's enough work on it's own and even though I could do both I'd rather not unless it's necessary. I'm older though and spent quite a bit of time out being independent and working at jobs that I mostly liked so I know what it is that I'm choosing. I still work I'm just lucky because I have more flexibility to do the things I've always wanted to do. I like growing and working with food, I like building things, I like making art, I like do renovation work and I really don't mind doing a lot of domestic type things. I find it quite satisfying. I also really like doing volunteer work and since getting married I've been able to do a lot more.

574 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:28:56pm

re: #564 reine.de.tout

LOL!
*waves*

575 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:29:03pm

You ever notice how some people were always saying Phoenix is the kidnapping Capitol of the world but you don't ever hear or read about any kidnappings? So I looked in the news and all I found was two kidnappings. One in Oklahoma and another in Alabama and both of the perps are white guys.

[Link: www.news9.com...]

[Link: blog.al.com...]

576 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:29:52pm

re: #571 SpaceJesus

i nominate myself

LOL!
Nomination seconded!

577 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:30:27pm

Slaps Gus gently, but firmly to wake him up.

578 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:31:07pm

re: #577 Floral Giraffe

Slaps Gus gently, but firmly to wake him up.

Do it again!

/

579 Jadespring  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:32:27pm

Bleh I should go to bed. I have a long day tomorrow. Going to spend the afternoon and likely the evening at a big auction. Going to fight for the snowblower that on the block. Woo!

580 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:33:26pm

re: #578 Gus 802

Gets out the paddle...
LOL!

581 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:33:56pm

So... what are is everyone doing on Friday?

582 Jadespring  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:34:24pm

re: #581 Walter L. Newton

So... what are is everyone doing on Friday?

Going to an auction and covering my tomatoes with sheets.

583 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:35:44pm

re: #582 Jadespring

Going to an auction and covering my tomatoes with sheets.

What kind of auction?

584 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:38:02pm

Good night, all.
Be well.

585 Jadespring  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:38:55pm

re: #583 Walter L. Newton

What kind of auction?

It's a general auction. Household goods, antiques, tools, some restaurant equipment. Little bit of everything.

586 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:39:11pm

re: #575 Gus 802

You ever notice how some people were always saying Phoenix is the kidnapping Capitol of the world but you don't ever hear or read about any kidnappings? So I looked in the news and all I found was two kidnappings. One in Oklahoma and another in Alabama and both of the perps are white guys.

[Link: www.news9.com...]

[Link: blog.al.com...]

All of the Phoenix refs I saw went back to one piece in Latina Magazine (not normally cited by most of the folks who were citing this), and regardless of how real their stats were--a solid source was never pinned down that I saw--they made it clear that the kidnappings involved were internal to the underworld there.

In other words, people without gang affiliations were not being grabbed off the streets by criminals who entered the country illegally and mysteriously could not be arrested for their illegal activities, no matter how hard the folks citing that article tried.

It was a bullcrap argument.

587 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:39:53pm

re: #581 Walter L. Newton

So... what are is everyone doing on Friday?

Spelling test. Mass. Teacher meeting. Taking husband pants shopping.

588 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:40:38pm

Carter, in his foolish hand-wringing naivete, let Iran go deep fundamentalist, and Obama, in his foolish naivete, is about to let it go nuclear.

Good night all.

589 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:42:26pm

re: #588 Ojoe

Carter, in his foolish hand-wringing naivete, let Iran go deep fundamentalist, and Obama, in his foolish naivete, is about to let it go nuclear.

Good night all.

So Obama became president right after Carter?

/

590 shutdown  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:44:13pm

re: #587 SanFranciscoZionist

Spelling test. Mass. Teacher meeting. Taking husband pants shopping.

Oh. Has be been wearing a kilt to date??

591 Gus  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:46:38pm

Later all.

592 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:47:03pm

re: #587 SanFranciscoZionist

Spelling test. Mass. Teacher meeting. Taking husband pants shopping.

Why don't you take all of him with you instead of just the pants?

593 Jadespring  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:47:28pm

re: #589 Gus 802

So Obama became president right after Carter?

/

That comment seemed to come of out nowhere.


I even blinked a few times, "Say what?"

594 Jadespring  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:49:54pm

Well I'm off too. Going to watch the last bit of Bones and hit the sheets.

595 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:50:30pm

re: #590 imp_62

Oh. Has be been wearing a kilt to date??

One of our friends is getting married this Sunday, and he hasn't got a good pair of pants left.

596 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:51:26pm

re: #593 Jadespring

It is an open thread, be prepared for any comment.

Anyway, while we are mesmerized by domestic politics, the centrifuges are spinning in Iran.

Just a reminder.


Good night again, back tomorrow.

597 shutdown  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:52:06pm

Oh, well. Tired, and nothing too exciting happening in the Lizard Lounge. No offence, but I guess I will hit the sack.

598 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:52:20pm

re: #588 Ojoe

Carter, in his foolish hand-wringing naivete, let Iran go deep fundamentalist, and Obama, in his foolish naivete, is about to let it go nuclear.

Good night all.

I'll always remember Bush's swift and decisive action after those pictures of folk-dancers leaping around with little vials of uranium showed up in the papers.

Or not.

599 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:53:48pm

re: #598 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, all have been too passive if you ask me.

Now I have to conk out, it is late & I have trucks to drive tomorrow.

600 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:54:05pm

re: #598 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll always remember Bush's swift and decisive action after those pictures of folk-dancers leaping around with little vials of uranium showed up in the papers.

Or not.

Here we go.

601 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:54:21pm

re: #599 Ojoe

Yeah, all have been too passive if you ask me.

Now I have to conk out, it is late & I have trucks to drive tomorrow.

Good night.

602 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:55:58pm

re: #600 SanFranciscoZionist

Here we go.

2006 that was. Iran was clearly terrified by our decisive military action next door to them.

603 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:57:29pm

Question: would we have the resources, the national will, and the international credibility to make a serious strike on Iran if we had not gambled away the farm on Saddam's super-secret WMDs and the imminent threat?

604 stevemcg  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:00:15pm

re: #603 SanFranciscoZionist

Question: would we have the resources, the national will, and the international credibility to make a serious strike on Iran if we had not gambled away the farm on Saddam's super-secret WMDs and the imminent threat?

No.

605 freetoken  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:02:09pm

re: #557 Gus 802

I see Drudge is riling up the whites tonight.

He most certainly is... in extra helpings too.

606 palomino  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:02:49pm

re: #603 SanFranciscoZionist

Question: would we have the resources, the national will, and the international credibility to make a serious strike on Iran if we had not gambled away the farm on Saddam's super-secret WMDs and the imminent threat?

Maybe, maybe not. Impossible to know for sure. But there's almost no doubt that we would be in a better position to deal with Iran.

607 stevemcg  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:03:37pm

re: #603 SanFranciscoZionist

To expound a little bit, the problems with attacking Iran would have little to do with will or credibility. First, logistics would have been a much greater problem. Second, Iran can block the Straight of Hormuz. Even though we don't get much oil through the straight, the rest of the world does.

608 freetoken  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:04:22pm

re: #602 SanFranciscoZionist

2006 that was. Iran was clearly terrified by our decisive military action next door to them.

Speaking of which:
Iraq set to announce new oil reserves

Iraq's oil ministry says the country's oil reserves are significantly higher than current estimates of 115 billion barrels.

Oil Ministry spokesman Assem Jihad said Thursday the ministry would announce the revision, which he described as "big," on Oct. 4. He did not provide additional details, including on what basis the revision would be made.

The announcement comes nearly two years after Iraq resumed oil exploration. For years, such efforts were ignored due to war, U.S. sanctions and the expulsion of foreign firms from the country. Many oil experts believe the largely unexplored western region holds large, undiscovered, reserves.

Iraq last year awarded 12 oil contracts to international oil companies, and aims to raise output to 12 million barrels per day by 2017 — a level many see as overly optimistic.

609 freetoken  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:05:44pm

re: #607 stevemcg

It's folly to think of ever invading Iran, or doing anything but a strategic strike from a great distance.

610 palomino  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:06:29pm

re: #605 freetoken

He most certainly is... in extra helpings too.

In addition to all the white fright, he's got a poll showing Obama with only a 52-37 lead in a hypothetical matchup for the 2012 nomination.

It's the right's fantasy that Hillary will ride in, claim what she thought was hers back in 2008, and fragment the whole Dem Party, giving the 2012 election to the gop. Like I said, a fantasy.

611 stevemcg  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:07:14pm

re: #609 freetoken

Granted, but a strategic strike will probably never get rid of the program. And the natural consequence of any action would be to close the straight.

612 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:32:17pm

re: #610 palomino

In addition to all the white fright, he's got a poll showing Obama with only a 52-37 lead in a hypothetical matchup for the 2012 nomination.

It's the right's fantasy that Hillary will ride in, claim what she thought was hers back in 2008, and fragment the whole Dem Party, giving the 2012 election to the gop. Like I said, a fantasy.

Yeh. Not gonna happen.

Seriously, right now I call the odds that Obama pulls a second term. Heads will go boom if that happens.

613 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:32:51pm

Oh well, no solutions tonight.

Night, all.

614 boredtechindenver  Fri, Oct 1, 2010 12:03:23am

So, who watched Deadwood and Life? Garret Dillahunt played such great psychotics in both series, I didn't expect him to be so good at comedy.

yes, i spent the night catching shows i missed earlier this week. "Arrested Development lite" and "Earl has a Baby". Hulu Plus is great. And they have full series runs of both "Arrested Development" and "Life". No "Big Bang Theory" onine though.


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