Midday Open Thread
Here’s a standard issue afternoon open thread…
1 | SpaceJesus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:21:30pm |
the federation of galactic space deities hereby claims this
2 | Kragar Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:21:56pm |
3 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:22:37pm |
re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Heretic.
Don't worry. When the Death Star gets here, he'll back down fast enough.
4 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:22:57pm |
I like the new pop up ads... getting a lot of "support Palin" ads... should help the GOP... and Charles.
5 | Kragar Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:23:16pm |
re: #3 EmmmieG
Don't worry. When the Death Star gets here, he'll back down fast enough.
Unless he's got muppets, then you're toast.
6 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:23:49pm |
re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Unless he's got muppets, then you're toast.
Do they sing and play the bongos? I just had the new anti-bongo missiles installed.
7 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:25:14pm |
re: #4 Walter L. Newton
I like the new pop up ads... getting a lot of "support Palin" ads... should help the GOP... and Charles.
Probably paid for by Obama and the Dems.
9 | Kragar Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:25:50pm |
re: #6 EmmmieG
Do they sing and play the bongos? I just had the new anti-bongo missiles installed.
HAHA! Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!
Wait...
10 | Linden Arden Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:26:48pm |
I see over on the LGF Pages that Pastor Eddie Long is making the news - but did anyone see this quote from him?
Sex certainly seems to lie at the heart of the Bishop's message. “God is potent. The word of God is his sperm,” he shouts in a clip you can see on YouTube, and “the job of the preacher is to bring fresh sperm”.
Way too strange for the regular media...
11 | darthstar Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:31:31pm |
ooh, fun! Meg's got a "talk to Meg" website...just posted my first message of encouragement to her:
Don't let your undocumented worker problem get you down, Meg!
Here's what I wrote for those who don't want to have to visit (I think I was most supportive):
Don't worry! It's not going to cost you the election. It's only a minor bump in the road. Your real problem is appearing in debates next to the smart and witty Jerry Brown. He's unapologetic because he actually loves this state and wants what's best for it. That's what's going to cost you the election. Nobody actually believes you care about California. Jerry does.But it's cool. You've pumped 120 million dollars into our economy, and we do thank you for that.
12 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:33:09pm |
Alton Brown Calls Man v Food Gluttonous and "Disgusting"
I couldn't agree more but Alton needs to whip the Food Network into shape. Last time I watched it was mostly shows about inedible cakes and sugar sculptures.
13 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:33:09pm |
re: #1 SpaceJesus
14 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:35:35pm |
re: #12 Killgore Trout
Alton Brown Calls Man v Food Gluttonous and "Disgusting"
I couldn't agree more but Alton needs to whip the Food Network into shape. Last time I watched it was mostly shows about inedible cakes and sugar sculptures.
Alton Brown is one of the only food show people I can watch, him and the (amazing) Anthony Bourdain, they're about it
15 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:39:44pm |
re: #14 WindUpBird
Alton Brown is one of the only food show people I can watch, him and the (amazing) Anthony Bourdain, they're about it
I switched to watching food shows from the UK. They do a much better job than here in the states.
16 | shutdown Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:40:37pm |
re: #12 Killgore Trout
Alton Brown Calls Man v Food Gluttonous and "Disgusting"
I couldn't agree more but Alton needs to whip the Food Network into shape. Last time I watched it was mostly shows about inedible cakes and sugar sculptures.
I agree. Any one of these shows that glorifies overeating and wastefulness disgusts me. I feel the same way about competitive eating, e.g. the hot dog eating contests, etc.
17 | tradewind Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:41:10pm |
Congress tells Colbert: ' You're Dead To Us'.
Evidently, Power no longer speaking to Truthiness./
[Link: www.politico.com...]
18 | Surabaya Stew Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:42:30pm |
re: #15 Killgore Trout
I switched to watching food shows from the UK. They do a much better job than here in the states.
I still miss the original Iron Chef series from Japan. Now there was a food show worth watching!
19 | tradewind Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:42:41pm |
re: #14 WindUpBird
Alton is hilarious, and so fun to watch. He's more a food historian than chef, seems to me, but entertaining.
20 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:43:00pm |
re: #16 imp_62
I agree. Any one of these shows that glorifies overeating and wastefulness disgusts me. I feel the same way about competitive eating, e.g. the hot dog eating contests, etc.
Competitive eating makes me nauseous. I can't change the channel fast enough.
21 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:43:39pm |
re: #18 Surabaya Stew
I still miss the original Iron Chef series from Japan. Now there was a food show worth watching!
That was a classic. The voiceovers were hilarious.
23 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:44:16pm |
re: #19 tradewind
Alton is hilarious, and so fun to watch. He's more a food historian than chef, seems to me, but entertaining.
Watch his shows where he's talking about the science behind making gourmet food work, that's what makes me a fan, he's almost like an engineer who moved to an art form and brought his engineering chops with him
24 | Varek Raith Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:44:59pm |
re: #17 tradewind
Congress tells Colbert: ' You're Dead To Us'.
Evidently, Power no longer speaking to Truthiness./
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Aww, the poor babies in Congwess can't handle Colbert...
25 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:45:31pm |
re: #21 Killgore Trout
That was a classic. The voiceovers were hilarious.
Why was there often a fortune teller as one of the judges?!?
A FORTUNE TELLER!
Also, whenever they had some petite bubbly Japanese model, they always had the same painful little-girl dubbing and forced giggle-laughter, which of course my friends and I would latch onto and use for everything
26 | tradewind Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:45:54pm |
re: #11 darthstar
Moonbeam may love the state, but Meg could fix it.
27 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:46:57pm |
re: #10 Linden Arden
I see over on the LGF Pages that Pastor Eddie Long is making the news - but did anyone see this quote from him?
Way too strange for the regular media...
Well. There it is.
28 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:47:00pm |
re: #26 tradewind
Moonbeam may love the state, but Meg could fix it.
Whoever becomes guv has to start with this, because it's why the state is broken: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
29 | Varek Raith Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:47:20pm |
re: #28 WindUpBird
Whoever becomes guv has to start with this, because it's why the state is broken: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Bingo!
30 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:47:54pm |
re: #19 tradewind
Alton is hilarious, and so fun to watch. He's more a food historian than chef, seems to me, but entertaining.
I like the science angle of what he does. When he shows you a recipe you understand what you're doing on a chemical level, and why you follow the steps you do.
31 | tradewind Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:48:16pm |
re: #24 Varek Raith
Really, I think they should have kept him on for a while. They'll get yanked back to serious reality in a month or so.... might as well have fun while they can.
32 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:48:28pm |
34 | stevemcg Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:49:57pm |
Anybody catch this last night?
[Link: theclicker.todayshow.com...]
I couldn't believe my eyes. I can't imagine howmuch time they could have had to rehearse it. Is there any doubt that Jimmy Fallon has the best show on late night?
35 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:50:35pm |
re: #29 Varek Raith
Bingo!
And of course the conservative ideologues here who think sabotaging the democratic process in California (which is what that prop does) brings them what they want, they'll make up reasons why it should be left in place ignoring the fact that it is designed to break the system and wound the rest of california for the benefit of people with insanely valuable real estate
36 | tradewind Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:53:18pm |
re: #28 WindUpBird
Yeah, has nothing to do with the state pensions, public sector union obligations, other above-average-in-cost entitlements, and shouldering the burden of health care and educational demands from undocumented persons who are not on the income tax rolls?
It's all that Prop thing.
Got'cha.
37 | calochortus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:54:55pm |
re: #26 tradewind
Moonbeam may love the state, but Meg could fix it.
An NPR caller made an interesting point about Meg's business experience. Its fine as far as it goes, but she ran a rapidly expanding company in a new and hence wide-open field. That is not the current state of California. We need a turn-around specialist and that requires a completely different skill set.
38 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:55:26pm |
Okay it's sitting on pins and needles at RWC HQ. Dragon_Lady was out shopping with her mom, who felt dizzy. Got Real Bad fast. So off to ER. Now being rushed into ICU for a pacemaker. Lower heart not working right, upper is fine. D_L is there, likely for the night.
39 | ArchangelMichael Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:55:26pm |
re: #35 WindUpBird
And of course the conservative ideologues here who think sabotaging the democratic process in California (which is what that prop does) brings them what they want, they'll make up reasons why it should be left in place ignoring the fact that it is designed to break the system and wound the rest of california for the benefit of people with insanely valuable real estate
It doesn't sabotage the democratic process in California worse than the gerrymandered perma-majority in both houses of the state legislature has.
40 | tradewind Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:55:36pm |
re: #35 WindUpBird
it is designed to break the system and wound the rest of california for the benefit of people withinsanelyformerly valuable real estate
FTFY.
42 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:56:04pm |
re: #38 Rightwingconspirator
Okay it's sitting on pins and needles at RWC HQ. Dragon_Lady was out shopping with her mom, who felt dizzy. Got Real Bad fast. So off to ER. Now being rushed into ICU for a pacemaker. Lower heart not working right, upper is fine. D_L is there, likely for the night.
Prayers for your MIL.
43 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:56:10pm |
re: #36 tradewind
Yeah, has nothing to do with the state pensions, public sector union obligations, other above-average-in-cost entitlements, and shouldering the burden of health care and educational demands from undocumented persons who are not on the income tax rolls?
It's all that Prop thing.
Got'cha.
OK, trade, remind me where you live again.
44 | tradewind Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:56:48pm |
Out for a run.
I hope CA gets it together..... such a gorgeous place, from one end to the other.
45 | Varek Raith Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:56:53pm |
46 | wrenchwench Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:57:24pm |
Video of Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa hit by tear gas during protest:
[Link: cnn.mx...]
47 | calochortus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:58:32pm |
re: #38 Rightwingconspirator
I hope all is well with DL.
Meanwhile back at the conversation:
Prop 13 is a problem, but it was a response to preexisting problems. It did not emerge fully formed from the head of Zeus, or a vacuum.
48 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:00:03pm |
re: #47 calochortus
I hope all is well with DL.
Meanwhile back at the conversation:
Prop 13 is a problem, but it was a response to preexisting problems. It did not emerge fully formed from the head of Zeus, or a vacuum.
True. I've got issues with it, though. As an educator...:(
49 | tradewind Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:00:29pm |
re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist
TN.
No state income tax, balanced budget.//
Of the 50 states and D.C., Tennessee places 51st in total debt according to NPR.[1]
[Link: sunshinereview.org...]
OTOH, we got no beach, and last winter was crappy cold./
..Really out.
51 | calochortus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:01:25pm |
re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist
True. I've got issues with it, though. As an educator...:(
I've got issues with it too. OTOH, we couldn't stay here without it.
52 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:01:42pm |
re: #49 tradewind
TN.
No state income tax, balanced budget.//
[Link: sunshinereview.org...]
OTOH, we got no beach, and last winter was crappy cold./
..Really out.
OK. Would you like to explain why you feel so well informed about my state's finances, and so secure dismissing 'the Prop thing' as a possible source of fiscal trouble?
53 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:04:44pm |
re: #51 calochortus
I've got issues with it too. OTOH, we couldn't stay here without it.
As a renter, I guess it's easier for me to be all of one mind.
54 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:06:36pm |
55 | calochortus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:10:17pm |
re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm sure it is. I have some problems with property taxes as a category. I understand taxes to pay for services, and I know they are viewed by governments as a stable source of funding, but it seems cruel to make people leave their (fully owned and paid for) homes if their taxes go up, or their income falls. There are many shades of gray in most issues...
56 | wrenchwench Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:11:07pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Wow. What a mess.
The police set off the tear gas. I'm surprised the president felt safe enough to go there.
Colombia and Peru have closed their borders with Ecuador.
57 | Kragar Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:13:21pm |
Just got the call back from the school. They're going to have an inital IEP plan set up for her by the end of next week and they'll be doing a full assessment from there within 60 days. Once I have their data, I can take that in to the Dr under my health benefits and they can attempt to diagnose ADD or other disabilities and come up with treatment from there.
58 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:13:46pm |
Towercam with cumulus cloud and its shadow.
San Gabriel Mountains, etc.
• • •
Politics rots your brain.
59 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:14:44pm |
re: #38 Rightwingconspirator
Okay it's sitting on pins and needles at RWC HQ. Dragon_Lady was out shopping with her mom, who felt dizzy. Got Real Bad fast. So off to ER. Now being rushed into ICU for a pacemaker. Lower heart not working right, upper is fine. D_L is there, likely for the night.
RWC - hoping all is well and thought's for your Mother-in-Law, you , D_L and family.
60 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:16:16pm |
re: #38 Rightwingconspirator
Would you like some hail marys or some push ups?
62 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:18:42pm |
BTW, I'm not saying that comment from non-Californians is not welcomed. I'm just getting a little suspicious about the number of people who don't live here and seem to know a LOT about exactly what is wrong with California--and it always seems to have to do with unions and illegal immigrants.
I don't know JACK about Texas' fiscal woes. Probably because the media I read doesn't care to indoctrinate me about them.
63 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:18:53pm |
re: #59 Ericus58
RWC - hoping all is well and thought's for your Mother-in-Law, you , D_L and family.
Indeed.
64 | Varek Raith Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:20:35pm |
re: #59 Ericus58
RWC - hoping all is well and thought's for your Mother-in-Law, you , D_L and family.
I second this.
65 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:20:42pm |
re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist
Well I live in Ca. & one problem is we have an electorate that indulges in wishful financial thinking & passes lots of bond propositions.
Or has 'till now.
67 | calochortus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:22:37pm |
re: #65 Ojoe
All you have to do is have a good cause and promise not to fund the item in question (bond issue-"this will not raise your taxes") and people seem to love it. Hello-if you spend money, it has to come from somewhere.
68 | wrenchwench Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:23:40pm |
69 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:24:39pm |
re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, I'm not saying that comment from non-Californians is not welcomed. I'm just getting a little suspicious about the number of people who don't live here and seem to know a LOT about exactly what is wrong with California--and it always seems to have to do with unions and illegal immigrants.
I don't know JACK about Texas' fiscal woes. Probably because the media I read doesn't care to indoctrinate me about them.
That's like telling someone that's really sick (long term now) that all they need to do is take vitamins and eat better. That is it's an oversimplification that's been drilled into peoples heads that the only reason California is faced with fiscal problems is because of illegal immigrants and unions. Now, I know this isn't popular but I think it's because of Prop. 13.
70 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:24:51pm |
re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, I'm not saying that comment from non-Californians is not welcomed. I'm just getting a little suspicious about the number of people who don't live here and seem to know a LOT about exactly what is wrong with California--and it always seems to have to do with unions and illegal immigrants.
I don't know JACK about Texas' fiscal woes. Probably because the media I read doesn't care to indoctrinate me about them.
Each state may have a common issue that they face - namely big deficits and diminishing revenue's. But each has a different path for the most part on how they got to that position.
For the most part, there is no "prime" culprit. Nor is it to just one Governor or party in control.
But in tackling and overcoming their funding crisis's, it will call for compromise and hard choices.
Just like we personally have to make choices in our own budgets - there are "wants" and then there are "needs". Getting everyone to agree on just the "needs" will be tough enough.
71 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:26:35pm |
re: #68 wrenchwench
Minor delays when the RINOs are tossed under.
"..... hey! How did I get tied up in this rope.... and why the hell is my pillow some hard length of iron?!?!"
72 | darthstar Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:26:51pm |
re: #26 tradewind
Moonbeam may love the state, but Meg could fix it.
She'd fuck it up faster than you could defend her.
73 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:27:00pm |
re: #69 Gus 802
Oops. I went ahead and generalized too. It's not only because of Prop. 13.
74 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:30:32pm |
re: #72 darthstar
She'd fuck it up faster than you could defend her.
Come on. As soon as she's sworn into office every elected official in Sacramento is going to love her. They will all be at her beckoning call. Plus since she's so experienced in dealing with labor issues after being a CEO of non-union Ebay her ability to negotiate with labor will be unprecedented.
//
75 | wrenchwench Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:30:35pm |
When I gave my little college graduation speech in 1980, because I had received some taxpayer-funded assistance, I thanked all the taxpayers except the ones who voted for Prop 13. Then my dad tried to 'splain why he had found it necessary to vote for it.
76 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:33:11pm |
People voted for Prop 13 because "the power to tax is the power to destroy.'
77 | Digital Display Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:33:39pm |
Greeting from Joplin MO. Winston and I are almost to Oklahoma..
Long day on the Road and I got a speeding ticket today...
78 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:34:47pm |
re: #76 Ojoe
People voted for Prop 13 because "the power to tax is the power to destroy.'
Well, all I know is that people are sitting in mansions (you know like Pacific Heights) paying less in property taxes then some family living in a 1 story ranch in Rancho Cucamonga.
79 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:35:59pm |
re: #1 SpaceJesus
the federation of galactic space deities hereby claims this
Best enjoy it while you can, because on July 5, 1998, the REAL space deities are coming.
80 | calochortus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:36:01pm |
re: #78 Gus 802
And let's not get into the question of corporate properties and their tax rates.
81 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:36:21pm |
re: #80 calochortus
And let's not get into the question of corporate properties and their tax rates.
Was that included too?
82 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:36:22pm |
re: #78 Gus 802
That would be some of the people in Pacific Heights, the ones who haven't moved for a long time. If you sell your house, the property is reassessed for the new buyer.
83 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:37:50pm |
re: #77 HoosierHoops
Greeting from Joplin MO. Winston and I are almost to Oklahoma..
Long day on the Road and I got a speeding ticket today...
was the LEO wearing those large aviator reflective sunglasses?
I feel ya, Bro.
84 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:37:55pm |
re: #82 Ojoe
That would be some of the people in Pacific Heights, the ones who haven't moved for a long time. If you sell your house, the property is reassessed for the new buyer.
Sure. It applies to everyone. Still, seems kind of weird that some heir to the Hearst family living in some mansion in Pacific Heights is paying property taxes circa 1975 (more or less).
85 | calochortus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:38:37pm |
re: #81 Gus 802
Absolutely, and since business properties tend to change hands less often than residential, businesses are once again big winners.
86 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:39:10pm |
re: #65 Ojoe
Well I live in Ca. & one problem is we have an electorate that indulges in wishful financial thinking & passes lots of bond propositions.
Or has 'till now.
Damn skippy.
87 | jamesfirecat Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:39:19pm |
re: #65 Ojoe
Well I live in Ca. & one problem is we have an electorate that indulges in wishful financial thinking & passes lots of bond propositions.
Or has 'till now.
I continue to hear that it's problem is that it requires fewer votes to raise spending than it does to raise taxes.
Anyone else see that as a problem?
88 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:39:31pm |
re: #84 Gus 802
You could think of it as a bonus for social stability, which is a good thing, long term neighborhoods, etc.
89 | Varek Raith Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:40:18pm |
90 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:40:28pm |
re: #88 Ojoe
You could think of it as a bonus for social stability, which is a good thing, long term neighborhoods, etc.
Well, it could have been done on a sliding scale. Maybe it was. I doubt it though.
91 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:40:46pm |
re: #74 Gus 802
Come on. As soon as she's sworn into office every elected official in Sacramento is going to love her. They will all be at her beckoning call. Plus since she's so experienced in dealing with labor issues after being a CEO of non-union Ebay her ability to negotiate with labor will be unprecedented.
//
I'm eternally suspicious of the 'I can fix the goverment--I'm a business maven!' theory.
Although I must buy it to some extent, because I trust Whitman more than Fiorina, whose business record is sort of...uhhhh.
92 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:41:07pm |
re: #89 Varek Raith
We thought it would be smooth here in California, but we are finding out that it is crunchy.
93 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:41:08pm |
re: #20 Killgore Trout
Competitive eating makes me nauseous. I can't change the channel fast enough.
Remember when Wesley Crusher Gordie Lachance told us that story about Lardass Hogan? Those were the days.
94 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:42:05pm |
95 | Digital Display Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:42:27pm |
re: #83 Ericus58
was the LEO wearing those large aviator reflective sunglasses?
I feel ya, Bro.
Very nice State Cop.. We chatted for a while about moving to Oklahoma...
Then he wrote me a ticket.. LOL
97 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:43:22pm |
Oh, good, an open thread.
I need some help.
Using one of those places that provide templates for websites, I set up a website for our upcoming class reunion so that people could sign on and get news - this particular website allows me to send an e-mail blast to all registered users when there's news, and also allows me to set up paypal and a registration form for people to register for the reunion. I'm not using a free version, I paid for the website.
There are several folks who have been unable to register for some reason.
Either they register and never get a confirmation e-mail.
Or they register, get a confirmation e-mail, and are still unable to log in, request another confirmation e-mail, respond to it, over and over.
I contacted the support folks.
They've told me to click the "invite to complete profile" button for those whose registrations are not complete. Only one person whose had a problem shows up on the members registry; the others who have been unable to register don't even show up on the members registry.
When I click the "invite to complete profile" for the one person, I get a blank page, instead of the page I should get where I can choose who to invite, and write a message. I sent them a screen cap of the blank page that I get.
Now they're telling me that they cannot understand what my problem is, I'm not clear.
Is there anyone here who can tell me what it is, exactly, I need to tell them and what words I should use?
98 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:43:28pm |
re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm eternally suspicious of the 'I can fix the goverment--I'm a business maven!' theory.
Although I must buy it to some extent, because I trust Whitman more than Fiorina, whose business record is sort of...uhhh.
For sure. And seriously. Ebay? That's like an internet phenomenon. They happened to be in the right place at the right time. It's like the Pet Rock of capitalism with a good business model. Or Google trading at $400 a share. That's still a joke. Overvalued and overhyped even though it's a decent company. Wiki says Ebay employs 14,000 people. Doing what? Call centers? Do they have call centers in Bangalore?
99 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:44:54pm |
re: #95 HoosierHoops
Very nice State Cop.. We chatted for a while about moving to Oklahoma...
Then he wrote me a ticket.. LOL
Haha, nice!
Ah, the best way to get a ticket.... leaves you with turd after he polished it all up for ya!
State Troopers are the best, I will say that.
100 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:44:55pm |
re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm eternally suspicious of the 'I can fix the goverment--I'm a business maven!' theory.
Although I must buy it to some extent, because I trust Whitman more than Fiorina, whose business record is sort of...uhhh.
Oh, and their business records are less than stellar. Especially Fiorina's. Can't say I'm a big fan of Boxer anymore -- I was way back early in her career.
101 | Renaissance_Man Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:45:42pm |
re: #97 reine.de.tout
Is there anyone here who can tell me what it is, exactly, I need to tell them and what words I should use?
Yes, but I'm not sure you'd be comfortable using those words in mixed company.
102 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:46:16pm |
re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm eternally suspicious of the 'I can fix the goverment--I'm a business maven!' theory.
Although I must buy it to some extent, because I trust Whitman more than Fiorina, whose business record is sort of...uhhh.
It doesn't work.
Government is not business. What works for business, does NOT work for an efficiently run government. Some things do, of course, good supervision, good training, etc.
But we've had any number of businessmen running for office, saying the gov't needs to be run like a "bidness", and they are wrong, wrong, wrong.
103 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:47:20pm |
re: #101 Renaissance_Man
Yes, but I'm not sure you'd be comfortable using those words in mixed company.
I'm so aggravated, I'll do anything, I"m ready to give them a major rant.
The last response I got back from them was ugly - it's not anything on OUR end, they said.
Well, then, WTF is it?
*sigh*
Was my problem unclear?
104 | jamesfirecat Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:47:51pm |
re: #102 reine.de.tout
It doesn't work.
Government is not business. What works for business, does NOT work for an efficiently run government. Some things do, of course, good supervision, good training, etc.But we've had any number of businessmen running for office, saying the gov't needs to be run like a "bidness", and they are wrong, wrong, wrong.
Well said.
Likewise I can't stand people who think "austerity measures" are the answer to everything as people fail to realize there's a difference betwen micro and macro economics.
105 | calochortus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:48:15pm |
re: #102 reine.de.tout
Yup. Being a business person doesn't disqualify one from running for office, but it doesn't impress me.
Meanwhile, I'd better go figure out what to make for dinner tonight. I do not feel inspired.
107 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:49:12pm |
re: #98 Gus 802
For sure. And seriously. Ebay? That's like an internet phenomenon. They happened to be in the right place at the right time. It's like the Pet Rock of capitalism with a good business model. Or Google trading at $400 a share. That's still a joke. Overvalued and overhyped even though it's a decent company. Wiki says Ebay employs 14,000 people. Doing what? Call centers? Do they have call centers in Bangalore?
Ebay has stream lined the process of exposure, payment, and communication. It is like buttah.
108 | jamesfirecat Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:49:14pm |
109 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:50:44pm |
re: #102 reine.de.tout
It doesn't work.
Government is not business. What works for business, does NOT work for an efficiently run government. Some things do, of course, good supervision, good training, etc.But we've had any number of businessmen running for office, saying the gov't needs to be run like a "bidness", and they are wrong, wrong, wrong.
It's hit and miss. A business leader may be a good political leader. Or they may not. People do that with former businesspeople or historically with former generals. I am reminded of this fascination with General Petraeus that some people have. Sure, he's a good general on the war front but that doesn't mean a thing regarding his ability to lead the country. His experience has been limited to the military and as a general. That may or may not transfer easily into a presidency. Let alone if he even has any interest which I highly doubt.
110 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:51:12pm |
re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist
Although I must buy it to some extent, because I trust Whitman more than Fiorina, whose business record is sort of...uhhh.
[Link: carlyfailorina.com...]
111 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:51:19pm |
Iran's Navy is getting weirder....
Iran unveils squadrons of flying boats
Video here
112 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:52:11pm |
re: #109 Gus 802
It's hit and miss. A business leader may be a good political leader. Or they may not. People do that with former businesspeople or historically with former generals. I am reminded of this fascination with General Petraeus that some people have. Sure, he's a good general on the war front but that doesn't mean a thing regarding his ability to lead the country. His experience has been limited to the military and as a general. That may or may not transfer easily into a presidency. Let alone if he even has any interest which I highly doubt.
You're correct, it's hit or miss, I didn't really mean to imply otherwise.
But any politician who comes out and says, "We need to run the government like we run business!", should be avoided at all costs, IMO.
Some businessmen fully understand the difference between gov't and business. The ones who say things like the above, usually do not.
113 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:52:34pm |
re: #103 reine.de.tout
I'm so aggravated, I'll do anything, I"m ready to give them a major rant.
The last response I got back from them was ugly - it's not anything on OUR end, they said.
Well, then, WTF is it?
*sigh*
Was my problem unclear?
Without knowing anything about the system you're using, I'd say you're being clear.
114 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:52:46pm |
re: #107 prairiefire
Ebay has stream lined the process of exposure, payment, and communication. It is like buttah.
Yeah. You use PayPal. PayPal takes your money. Lets it sit in their bank for several days until they finally pay you. Nice system they have going there. They're getting million in "mini-loans" every day and using the excuse of the banks for the delay. Electronic transfers are really instant and should only take seconds.
115 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:52:47pm |
re: #42 EmmmieG
Thank you very much. Modern medicine is darn good. We have faith on a couple levels.
116 | Digital Display Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:53:32pm |
re: #111 Killgore Trout
Iran's Navy is getting weirder...
Iran unveils squadrons of flying boatsVideo here
You know What the US Navy calls those flying boats?
Targets
117 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:54:06pm |
re: #116 HoosierHoops
You know What the US Navy calls those flying boats?
Targets
What a waste of a lawnmower engine.
118 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:54:21pm |
re: #112 reine.de.tout
You're correct, it's hit or miss, I didn't really mean to imply otherwise.
But any politician who comes out and says, "We need to run the government like we run business!", should be avoided at all costs, IMO.
Some businessmen fully understand the difference between gov't and business. The ones who say things like the above, usually do not.
Oh, very true. The opposite would be like trying to run a business like a government entity.
119 | Varek Raith Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:54:41pm |
re: #111 Killgore Trout
Iran's Navy is getting weirder...
Iran unveils squadrons of flying boatsVideo here
Hey!
I saw something like that at the local RC shop!
/
120 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:54:45pm |
re: #111 Killgore Trout
Those things don't look like they could take off or land if the seas are any higher than a foot.
121 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:54:51pm |
re: #114 Gus 802
Yeah. You use PayPal. PayPal takes your money. Lets it sit in their bank for several days until they finally pay you. Nice system they have going there. They're getting million in "mini-loans" every day and using the excuse of the banks for the delay. Electronic transfers are really instant and should only take seconds.
You're right, of course, about paypal.
But honestly - for the convenience paypal offers - I don't mind if they keep the $ for a few days.
122 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:55:14pm |
re: #106 darthstar
Heh...
A Twitter account following 713,235 users would be as near to unusable as makes no odds.
123 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:55:52pm |
re: #111 Killgore Trout
Iran's Navy is getting weirder...
Iran unveils squadrons of flying boatsVideo here
Oh that's funny. Runaway! Runaway! They need to have monkeys flying those.
124 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:56:22pm |
126 | Varek Raith Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:57:38pm |
re: #123 Gus 802
Oh that's funny. Runaway! Runaway! They need to have monkeys flying those.
Ph34r my leet tanks!
Image: 1895&Car.jpg
127 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:57:39pm |
re: #123 Gus 802
Oh that's funny. Runaway! Runaway! They need to have monkeys flying those.
They're kind of cute. I can see a housewife in Montana or someplace having one to run errands in.
128 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:57:51pm |
re: #125 prairiefire
Is that because of you feedback?
No. I don't sell anything on Ebay. Maybe it is my bank I don't know. First time someone sent me money it took almost 5 days. I couldn't believe it.
129 | Digital Display Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:57:57pm |
re: #121 reine.de.tout
You're right, of course, about paypal.
But honestly - for the convenience paypal offers - I don't mind if they keep the $ for a few days.
BTW..With your Web issue.. Ask Tech support what version of Java you need on your computer...You may need to upgrade... We have the same issues rendering Oracle views on the web
130 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:59:05pm |
re: #111 Killgore Trout
Iran's Navy is getting weirder...
Iran unveils squadrons of flying boatsVideo here
131 | Varek Raith Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:59:30pm |
re: #128 Gus 802
No. I don't sell anything on Ebay. Maybe it is my bank I don't know. First time someone sent me money it took almost 5 days. I couldn't believe it.
I've had PayPal transfers take a week...
I could've just sent a frikkin check in the mail.
:/
132 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 4:59:42pm |
re: #111 Killgore Trout
Iran's Navy is getting weirder...
Iran unveils squadrons of flying boatsVideo here
Skeet
134 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:00:23pm |
135 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:01:18pm |
Politics and personality aside:
Image: carly_fiorina1-241x300.jpg
I like the close-shaved-head look on [most] women.
Good thing I shared, eh?
137 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:02:03pm |
That thing barely got off the water. Looks like it was just using ground effects to fly just above the waterline.
138 | Varek Raith Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:02:50pm |
139 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:04:30pm |
re: #109 Gus 802
It's hit and miss. A business leader may be a good political leader. Or they may not. People do that with former businesspeople or historically with former generals. I am reminded of this fascination with General Petraeus that some people have. Sure, he's a good general on the war front but that doesn't mean a thing regarding his ability to lead the country. His experience has been limited to the military and as a general. That may or may not transfer easily into a presidency. Let alone if he even has any interest which I highly doubt.
You make some good points, Gus.
I will say that in my observations of Petraeus is a man that thinks with clarity and acts with purpose. And because of his lack of interest expressed in politics, the kind of person that is not out to seek personal gain.
Kinda reminds me of another General from this century who went on to be a decent president.
140 | Varek Raith Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:04:34pm |
re: #138 Varek Raith
re: #136 Gus 802
BOOORRRIIINNGGG!
How about one of these?
Warhead
initially W7 (2.5 or 28 KT)[1][verification needed] later W31 nuclear 2 kt (M-97) or 20 kt (M-22)[2] or T-45 HE warhead weighing 1,106 pounds (502 kg) and containing 600 pounds (270 kg) of HBX-6 M17 blast-fragmentation
MUHAHAHAHA
142 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:05:39pm |
143 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:05:58pm |
re: #137 Gus 802
That thing barely got off the water. Looks like it was just using ground effects to fly just above the waterline.
The Soviets built some giant versions for long-range Over-the Shore tricks. Last seen rotting on the shore.
[Link: www.ussr-airspace.com...]
144 | Varek Raith Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:07:00pm |
145 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:07:26pm |
re: #143 Decatur Deb
The Soviets built some giant versions for long-range Over-the Shore tricks. Last seen rotting on the shore.
[Link: www.ussr-airspace.com...]
That Iranian thing looks like they used plywood and a VW engine. Or something. The "pilots" even have scooter helmets. They're so pathetic.
146 | Varek Raith Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:07:59pm |
re: #143 Decatur Deb
The Soviets built some giant versions for long-range Over-the Shore tricks. Last seen rotting on the shore.
[Link: www.ussr-airspace.com...]
Those looked badass though.
The Iranian ones...LOL.
147 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:08:02pm |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
Orly Taitz Endorses Sharron Angle, Calls Nevada Election 'Number 1 Race In America'
Perfect. They can get O'Keefe to stage a manage.
148 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:08:43pm |
re: #111 Killgore Trout
Iran's Navy is getting weirder...
Iran unveils squadrons of flying boatsVideo here
Interesting.... think they looked at old Soviet equipment as a guide. But they haven't much in the way of a capability to carry a lethal payload. Flying/skimming bombs perhaps?
I would suggest a harpoon, but that would be overkill. One Hellfire II from an Apache is enough.
150 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:09:17pm |
re: #147 Decatur Deb
Perfect. They can get O'Keefe to stage a manage.
He's got the dildo boat all ready to go.
151 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:10:57pm |
re: #148 Ericus58
Interesting... think they looked at old Soviet equipment as a guide. But they haven't much in the way of a capability to carry a lethal payload. Flying/skimming bombs perhaps?
I would suggest a harpoon, but that would be overkill. One Hellfire II from an Apache is enough.
They would have the advantage of surprise--Shock and Awshit.
152 | Linden Arden Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:11:21pm |
Bill-O has Bill Maher on tonight.
Must suffer to watch.....
153 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:11:44pm |
re: #148 Ericus58
Interesting... think they looked at old Soviet equipment as a guide. But they haven't much in the way of a capability to carry a lethal payload. Flying/skimming bombs perhaps?
I would suggest a harpoon, but that would be overkill. One Hellfire II from an Apache is enough.
I would guess they could probably be taken down/sunk by small arms. AR15's or whatever's laying around.
154 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:11:46pm |
There's gold in dem dare hills... the Colorado aspens are turning... picture taken today at mountain meadow below my house... also notice dedicated Qwest phone truck and person, keeping the DSL alive in the mountains...
The multiple little swatches of gold in the background are aspens among the lodge pole pines and other mountain trees.
155 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:12:14pm |
re: #129 HoosierHoops
BTW..With your Web issue.. Ask Tech support what version of Java you need on your computer...You may need to upgrade... We have the same issues rendering Oracle views on the web
the problem isn't withmy computer.
It's with other folks who've been unable to register - all over the state.
156 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:13:16pm |
re: #146 Varek Raith
Those looked badass though.
The Iranian ones...LOL.
Okay if you want to let machines have all the fun, cool. But those flying boats look like great practice to me. I kinda like this guy
Air gun!
157 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:14:54pm |
On the Iranian flying boat boat that barely flies:
Spencer Ackerman notes that the new flying boats are armed with a "machine gun", a mechanical rifle capable of firing continuously without reloading by human hands.
Hear that folks! Be afraid! It has a "mechanical rifle" that can fire continuously without needing to be reloaded "by human hands"!!
[Link: www.economist.com...]
158 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:15:23pm |
re: #148 Ericus58
Interesting... think they looked at old Soviet equipment as a guide. But they haven't much in the way of a capability to carry a lethal payload. Flying/skimming bombs perhaps?
I would suggest a harpoon, but that would be overkill. One Hellfire II from an Apache is enough.
All kidding aside those could be capable suicide weapons, designed to overcome AA fire by sheer numbers. 500 lb of semtex...
160 | Surabaya Stew Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:16:51pm |
re: #124 Decatur Deb
Have you found arch. work? If so, congrats.
Thanks for looking out for us Architects!
;-)
161 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:19:08pm |
re: #158 Rightwingconspirator
All kidding aside those could be capable suicide weapons, designed to overcome AA fire by sheer numbers. 500 lb of semtex...
Welcome to CIWS
162 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:19:10pm |
Somebody just shoot me now.
I put a hamburger on to cook, and forgot to turn on the stove.
sheesh.
Not having the best day.
163 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:19:59pm |
re: #158 Rightwingconspirator
All kidding aside those could be capable suicide weapons, designed to overcome AA fire by sheer numbers. 500 lb of semtex...
I seriously doubt that thing would even get off the water with a 500 lbs. payload.
164 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:21:55pm |
165 | William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:23:00pm |
166 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:23:10pm |
I'm sorry, not trying to turn this thread into a war-porn thread.
but I'm sure you can guess my background and interests...
167 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:24:23pm |
re: #166 Ericus58
I'm sorry, not trying to turn this thread into a war-porn thread.
but I'm sure you can guess my background and interests...
Staying dry at sea?
168 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:25:23pm |
re: #154 Walter L. Newton
An Aspen grove in Utah is what some consider the largest living organism in the world.
"The Aspen tree (Populus tremuloides) forms large stands of genetically identical trees (technically, stems) connected by a single underground root system. These trees form through root sprouts coming off an original parent tree, though the root system may not remain a single unit in all specimens. The largest known fully-connected Aspen is a grove in Utah nicknamed Pando, and some experts call it the largest organism in the world,[1] by mass or volume.[2] It covers 0.43 km2 (106 acres) and is estimated to weigh 6,600 short tons (6,000 t).[3]"
169 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:26:17pm |
OK, here we go...
Called the Bavar 2, the flying boat is often described as a ground-effect vehicle, meaning it rides a cushion of air over the surface of the water. The boats, which will be used by Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard, will reportedly be equipped with machine guns and surveillance equipment.
[Link: www.aolnews.com...]
So stupid.
170 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:27:55pm |
So here's something really off on a new tangent....
I love my wife's name.
Ruth.
My Companion. "Whither thou goest, I will go."
I've only known three Ruth's in my life personally.
My Dearest.
Her good friend from college days.
And the nurse who assisted the doctor for my vasectomy.
That was a bit weird.....
171 | William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:30:05pm |
re: #158 Rightwingconspirator
All kidding aside those could be capable suicide weapons, designed to overcome AA fire by sheer numbers. 500 lb of semtex...
Actually I doubt they could lift that much payload. My guess is they would be a misdirection while they tried to do real damage with something else - submarines, naval mines, SSM's, etc.
172 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:30:24pm |
re: #167 Decatur Deb
Staying dry at sea?
haha, unless it was during an UNREP and working on the inhaul team along the side of the Destroyer... or standing forward lookout watch.
173 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:31:17pm |
re: #169 Gus 802
OK, here we go...
[Link: www.aolnews.com...]
So stupid.
Can't think of a mission for it, except to drown RGs.
174 | Romantic Heretic Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:31:51pm |
176 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:33:30pm |
177 | Eclectic Infidel Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:33:33pm |
re: #162 reine.de.tout
Somebody just shoot me now.
I put a hamburger on to cook, and forgot to turn on the stove.
sheesh.
Not having the best day.
At least the food can be salvaged. Just think how you might have felt if you had turned the stove on...and then forgot about it. See, now I'm more likely to do that.
You're doing ok reine. You're doing ok.
178 | Wozza Matter? Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:35:33pm |
re: #162 reine.de.tout
Somebody just shoot me now.
I put a hamburger on to cook, and forgot to turn on the stove.
sheesh.
Not having the best day.
Won't shoot yah, will hug yah though.
(hug)
180 | researchok Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:37:27pm |
One would think the Iranians would spend their money more carefully.
Then again, it isn't as if the mullahs really give a damn about the Iranian people.
181 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:37:36pm |
182 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:38:50pm |
re: #135 negativ
Politics and personality aside:
Image: carly_fiorina1-241x300.jpg
I like the close-shaved-head look on [most] women.
Good thing I shared, eh?
She seems to favor very short cuts, which is OK, but I think she'd look nice with a little more length.
She said something hostile about Boxer's hair earlier in the campaign.
Men in politics so seldom critique each other's hair.
183 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:39:22pm |
Gadzooks this is a big marlin.
Image: 154197d1251881524-maggie-joe-1-245-lbs-marlin-pics-photo.jpg
1245 pounds.
184 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:39:36pm |
re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
Hey SFZ, cheers to your epic comments.
185 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:39:46pm |
re: #183 Gus 802
Gadzooks this is a big marlin.
Image: 154197d1251881524-maggie-joe-1-245-lbs-marlin-pics -photo.jpg
1245 pounds.
Where was that caught?
186 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:39:56pm |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
Orly Taitz Endorses Sharron Angle, Calls Nevada Election 'Number 1 Race In America'
Everyone seems to use superlatives about this race. Like "Harry Reid is the luckiest sumbitch alive."
187 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:40:47pm |
re: #185 reine.de.tout
Where was that caught?
[Link: www.bloodydecks.com...]
The boat was the Maggie Joe which home ports out of Waikiki, Oahu
[Link: www.best-hawaii-fishing.com...]
188 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:41:04pm |
re: #148 Ericus58
Interesting... think they looked at old Soviet equipment as a guide. But they haven't much in the way of a capability to carry a lethal payload. Flying/skimming bombs perhaps?
No, they just zoom you all at once, and you die laughing.
190 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:41:45pm |
re: #154 Walter L. Newton
There's gold in dem dare hills... the Colorado aspens are turning... picture taken today at mountain meadow below my house... also notice dedicated Qwest phone truck and person, keeping the DSL alive in the mountains...
The multiple little swatches of gold in the background are aspens among the lodge pole pines and other mountain trees.
Pretty.
192 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:42:10pm |
re: #183 Gus 802
Gadzooks this is a big marlin.
Image: 154197d1251881524-maggie-joe-1-245-lbs-marlin-pics -photo.jpg
1245 pounds.
Put. It. Back!
193 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:43:14pm |
194 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:43:18pm |
re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist
Everyone seems to use superlatives about this race. Like "Harry Reid is the luckiest sumbitch alive."
Is that you, Sheriff Buford T. Justice?!
197 | Romantic Heretic Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:44:32pm |
re: #28 WindUpBird
Whoever becomes guv has to start with this, because it's why the state is broken: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Prop 13 shows that referendums are anti-democratic. There's only a 'Yes' or 'No' on the vote and no way to balance the policy proposed. The question is always promoted in an emotional manner which is also not conducive to good policy. They often reward short term thinking without thought of the consequences for the next generations.
There's no give and take, no debate and no way to adjust a referendum. So, in my opinion, they are anti-democratic.
198 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:44:37pm |
200 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:45:50pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
He's the boutrosest man on earth.
201 | Digital Display Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:46:01pm |
202 | Romantic Heretic Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:46:44pm |
re: #38 Rightwingconspirator
Okay it's sitting on pins and needles at RWC HQ. Dragon_Lady was out shopping with her mom, who felt dizzy. Got Real Bad fast. So off to ER. Now being rushed into ICU for a pacemaker. Lower heart not working right, upper is fine. D_L is there, likely for the night.
Sending strength and healing vibes your way.
204 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:47:27pm |
I miss seeing Ace.... hope all is well.re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
Boutros Boutros-Ghali.
ANOTHER WINNER!
205 | ProGunLiberal Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:49:26pm |
To diverge from the topic of discussion currently, a decision about the Ayodhya debate in India has been reached. What are your thoughts on the solution? I think India is about to have another round of rioting.
206 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:50:10pm |
re: #204 Ericus58
I miss seeing Ace... hope all is well.
ANOTHER WINNER!
Haven't seen Slumbering Behemoth for a while.
207 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:52:32pm |
208 | Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:52:38pm |
re: #12 Killgore Trout
Alton Brown Calls Man v Food Gluttonous and "Disgusting"
I couldn't agree more but Alton needs to whip the Food Network into shape. Last time I watched it was mostly shows about inedible cakes and sugar sculptures.
I love, love, love the Ace of Cakes. Duff is coolest, silly nerd on tv. By the way, Food network shows all feature fully edible cakes. If you watch to the end you will usually see the participants, customers, or contestants, scarfing down. Cake decorating is an art. It's fun. And its nondenominational and bipartisan. Alton Brown agrees as he has either hosted or judged several cake decorating contests. But I have to say, that man vs food thing makes me shake my head and ask why?
209 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:52:49pm |
re: #205 ProLifeLiberal
To diverge from the topic of discussion currently, a decision about the Ayodhya debate in India has been reached. What are your thoughts on the solution? I think India is about to have another round of rioting.
1. I think you're right about that, alas.
2. I'm sure the mosque was only destroyed because local Hindus were being oppressed by creeping Sharia and forced to pay jizya in the form of gym memberships.
//Sorry, channeling Pam Geller.
3. I honestly don't think I know enough to have a really informed opinion on the subject. It seems to me a terrible shame that such an old and beautiful mosque was destroyed. I don't get the legal issues well enough to comment.
210 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:54:33pm |
Be well my Friends.
Enjoy the evening - I'm off to spend time with my "Companion".
May all of you be so blessed.
211 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:54:56pm |
213 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:56:02pm |
re: #205 ProLifeLiberal
To diverge from the topic of discussion currently, a decision about the Ayodhya debate in India has been reached. What are your thoughts on the solution? I think India is about to have another round of rioting.
If you've really, really, got the urge to slaughter your neighbors, the birthplace of your invisible friend is reason enough.
214 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:56:58pm |
215 | Wozza Matter? Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:57:31pm |
216 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:57:52pm |
re: #211 prairiefire
And Racer X.
Yeah. Those guys were not likely to freak out. How do we light the Bat Signal?
217 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 5:58:29pm |
218 | rwmofo Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:00:26pm |
If you don't like this there's something wrong with you.
219 | pharmmajor Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:01:00pm |
To all lizards living in Arizona, here's a candidate for the senate who seems far better than McCain.
[Link: www.nolan2010.org...]
220 | Wozza Matter? Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:03:48pm |
re: #216 Decatur Deb
3rd sept last comment by RacerX - don't know if anyone has seen his nic since though in lurk mode............
221 | Wozza Matter? Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:04:38pm |
re: #220 wozzablog
3rd sept last comment by RacerX - don't know if anyone has seen his nic since though in lurk mode...
last comment on record :
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
222 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:05:53pm |
re: #220 wozzablog
3rd sept last comment by RacerX - don't know if anyone has seen his nic since though in lurk mode...
Hopefully once the Lakers start up again he'll be back. Because the sports chat here is not to be denied./
223 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:08:13pm |
re: #221 wozzablog
last comment on record :
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
That's a good-bye then, at least for a while. I've checked Mad Al's band, they're hanging near home in the DC area.
224 | avanti Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:08:33pm |
Just got this crazy e-mail, look for a constitutional Convention by Monday /:
THIS IS INTERESTING!!!!!!! READ PLEASE IT WON'T TAKE LONG.
Article V of the Constitution says it only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention. If each person contacts a minimum of twenty different people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Maybe it is time.
THIS IS HOW YOU HELP FIX CONGRESS!!!!!
My Liberal sister sent this along to me. I can't think of a reason to disagree.
I am sending this to virtually everybody on my e-mail list and that includes conservatives, liberals, and everybody in between. Even though we disagree on a number of issues, I count all of you as friends. My friend and
neighbor wants to promote a "Congressional Reform Act of 2010." It would contain eight provisions, all of which would probably be strongly endorsed by those who drafted the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I know many of you will say "this is impossible." Let me remind you,Congress has the lowest approval rating of any entity in Government. Now is the time when Americans will join together to reform Congress - the entity
that represents us.
We need to get a Senator to introduce this bill in the US Senate and a Representative to introduce a similar bill in the US House. These people
will become American heroes. **********************************
Congressional Reform Act of 2010
1. Term Limits.
12 years only, one of the possible options below..
A. Two Six-year Senate terms
B. Six Two-year House terms
C. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-Year House terms
2. No Tenure / No Pension.
A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.
3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people.
4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.
5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.
8. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/11.
The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves.
Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.
If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete.
226 | freetoken Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:10:25pm |
A non-boring weather day in San Diego today - a rare rainy day in September. Combination of a strong high over the middle of the country and a weak low off the coast has brought in some saturated monsoonal flow:
[Link: www.weather.gov...]
Plants are loving it... heck, even though it rained on me while walking I loved it.
227 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:10:57pm |
re: #208 Escaped Hillbilly
Adam is starting to look like hell.
228 | Wozza Matter? Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:11:25pm |
re: #223 Decatur Deb
That's a good-bye then, at least for a while.
i reckoned as much too. less said the better though, otherwise it might become "a thing" that it was being talked about etc.
229 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:11:56pm |
Now, my cranky Zionist add-on--if 'hardline Jewish activists' had, God forbid, destroyed the al-Aqsa Mosque back in 92, I imagine the media response worldwide, and the subsquent passionate concern of many many people out there would have been substantially more emphatic than in the case of the Ayodhya situation.
230 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:12:32pm |
re: #224 avanti
If you don't forward 20 emails, your pit bull will turn into a calico cat.
231 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:12:56pm |
232 | Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:15:23pm |
re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist
I mention it because we were discussing Fred Phelps' church last night. This is where his kind of lunacy gets us. But of course, he'd like that.
234 | pharmmajor Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:15:55pm |
re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly
Tragic. I'd like to castrate the bastards responsible for driving Clementi to suicide.
235 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:15:59pm |
Obdicut-
Seen this? Earlier chat...
Meg's Husband has chimed in on the letter.
236 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:16:57pm |
re: #226 freetoken
A non-boring weather day in San Diego today - a rare rainy day in September. Combination of a strong high over the middle of the country and a weak low off the coast has brought in some saturated monsoonal flow:
[Link: www.weather.gov...]
Plants are loving it... heck, even though it rained on me while walking I loved it.
Yeah, but the freeways are a disaster. (Rain=California drivers lose it) I had to cancel an appt. in La Jolla because the 5 was a parking lot.
Oh, but the sound of thunder today! Wow. (you folks, we don't have thunder and lightning here much at all)
237 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:17:27pm |
re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly
Words have consequences. Video, all the more. Add internet and a picture is worth a billion words. Far past time to hold the harsh and cruel accountable.
238 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:17:46pm |
re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly
Horrible. Heard a story about it on NPR on my way home today. Lack of empathy to others. Total lack.
239 | Wozza Matter? Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:18:09pm |
re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist
Now, my cranky Zionist add-on--if 'hardline Jewish activists' had, God forbid, destroyed the al-Aqsa Mosque back in 92, I imagine the media response worldwide, and the subsquent passionate concern of many many people out there would have been substantially more emphatic than in the case of the Ayodhya situation.
The Ayodhya situation was pretty big at the time - but the subsequent lack of international opprobrium keeps the flames down. Pakistan and India are permanently on the verge of a conflict that would make anything that happens in the middle east look like a threepenny sideshow.
Ignoring the elephant in the room in India/Pakistan thing is often the best thing that can be done.
240 | Digital Display Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:18:51pm |
re: #236 Stanley Sea
Yeah, but the freeways are a disaster. (Rain=California drivers lose it) I had to cancel an appt. in La Jolla because the 5 was a parking lot.
Oh, but the sound of thunder today! Wow. (you folks, we don't have thunder and lightning here much at all)
I-5 sucks..Period..
241 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:18:59pm |
re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly
The internet puts some awesome capabilities in the hands of people with poor judgment. This recent post at Pharyngula is sort of related:
Yesterday, I'd reviewed [the student's'] blogs and the comments people had left there, and noticed they were getting a lot of not-at-all-helpful advice, fussing over style and telling them how to write their entries, and in class I started by telling them to ignore all that, I wanted them to find their own voices, when the class chuckled and pointed at the white board. A chill went down my spine.The students had gotten annoyed at the condescending tone of a few of the comments, and had decided to deal with it. On the whiteboard was written the complete personal data of one person who had irritated them: they'd traced back his posting info and had gotten his real name, home address, employment history, phone number, etc., and were sharing that information. Before I interrupted them by starting the class, they were debating whether to teach him a lesson themselves or just to post all of that to 4chan.
Whoa. They've already got their own cyberpistols.
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]
242 | rwmofo Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:19:05pm |
re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly
"Had he been in bed with a woman, this would not have happened," said Rutgers student Lauren Felton, 21, of Warren, N.J. "He wouldn't have been outed via an online broadcast, and his privacy would have been respected and he might still have his life."
I totally agree. If I were the judge in this case, I'd hit the pair who did this to this guy with the maximum penalty. What did this kid ever do to them?
243 | MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:19:28pm |
re: #227 prairiefire
Adam is starting to look like hell.
No shit...with all of the fat, cholesterol, and sodium he takes in during filming, it's a wonder he's not dead already and that' what I think Alton Brown was driving at. While I appreciate some of the stunts Adam pulls (like the hot wings and such) and the places he goes, the "eat at much as possible in as little time as possible" is in the WTF?!? category for me.
On that, I have to agree with Alton...
244 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:19:40pm |
re: #238 Stanley Sea
Horrible. Heard a story about it on NPR on my way home today. Lack of empathy to others. Total lack.
I thought Christie's statement was good.
Doesn't help, of course, but what the hell would?
245 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:21:22pm |
re: #224 avanti
Just got this crazy e-mail, look for a constitutional Convention by Monday /:
THIS IS INTERESTING!!! READ PLEASE IT WON'T TAKE LONG.
I have a strict policy of responding to any chain email I receive like that by intentionally clicking "Reply All" and typing the most venomous thing I can think of at the time (which varies somewhat depending on my BAC, if any).
A very short, extremely polite version might contain the passage,
Instead of just brainlessly forwarding along every damned thing you get, try this:
Read the message first, and think about the person or people with whom you are about to share it. Based on what you know of their interests, desires, typical choice of reading materials, etc., does it seem like something they would want to read? If not, why would you send it? You wouldn't give a friend with a peanut allergy a gift certificate for a lifetime supply of Planter's -- unless you either really hate them, or you're or a thoughtless, snot-gurgling mongoloid.
Similarly, you would not send an endless flood of asinine, saccharine made-up stories -- all involving angels and kittens and promises that you will live happily ever after if you send it to 37 million people in the next 4 minutes after closing your eyes, turning around eight times, pressing F5 on the keyboard, and lighting a fart in memory of Mother Theresa -- to a person who has more than four functional brain cells, unless you either really hate them, or you're a thoughtless, snot-gurgling mongoloid.
Now, send this to everyone you know, everyone you don't know, and your 3rd cousin twice removed's dog.
I've vaporized a few potentially romantic relationships in this way, but it's for the best. I'll put up with a lot of things, but I'll be damned if I'm going to tolerate someone who forwards me chain emails.
246 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:23:03pm |
re: #245 negativ
I have a strict policy of responding to any chain email I receive like that by intentionally clicking "Reply All" and typing the most venomous thing I can think of at the time (which varies somewhat depending on my BAC, if any).
A very short, extremely polite version might contain the passage,
I've vaporized a few potentially romantic relationships in this way, but it's for the best. I'll put up with a lot of things, but I'll be damned if I'm going to tolerate someone who forwards me chain emails.
I just respond to my Aunt that I LOVE OBAMA.
She stopped.
247 | ProGunLiberal Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:23:03pm |
re: #239 wozzablog
Add in Pakistan's instability with various factions, including the Taliban, and there is a very serious problem.
248 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:23:07pm |
re: #236 Stanley Sea
Yeah, but the freeways are a disaster. (Rain=California drivers lose it) I had to cancel an appt. in La Jolla because the 5 was a parking lot.
Oh, but the sound of thunder today! Wow. (you folks, we don't have thunder and lightning here much at all)
At least in the northwest we wait for snow before we lose our minds :D
249 | Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:23:36pm |
re: #241 jaunte
That is scary to people who can think through the probable outcome of doing something like that. Teenagers just shrug and say whatever.
And this really segues nicely into the whole weirdo boat seduction thing.
250 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:24:40pm |
re: #236 Stanley Sea
hugs~~I'll try to post a recording somehow.
251 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:25:08pm |
re: #246 Stanley Sea
I just respond to my Aunt that I LOVE OBAMA.
She stopped.
I just accept everything my mother-in-law sends me, sigh, and delete.
252 | rwmofo Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:25:55pm |
re: #245 negativ
"...pressing F5 on the keyboard, and lighting a fart in memory of Mother Theresa..."
Ummm, huh?
Is Christopher Hitchens hacked into your network or is this something we're all supposed to be doing?
253 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:26:02pm |
re: #248 WindUpBird
At least in the northwest we wait for snow before we lose our minds :D
It's actually pretty classic down here when it rains. Guaranteed freeway stoppage. Guaranteed.
I'm from Florida where we would go 75 in the biggest downpour, no problem. Bizarre.
Oh and thanks for the PNW pimp, I sooo want to move there you know.
254 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:26:11pm |
re: #243 talon_262
No shit...with all of the fat, cholesterol, and sodium he takes in during filming, it's a wonder he's not dead already and that' what I think Alton Brown was driving at. While I appreciate some of the stunts Adam pulls (like the hot wings and such) and the places he goes, the "eat at much as possible in as little time as possible" is in the WTF?!? category for me.
On that, I have to agree with Alton...
That gray pallor, it is not a good sign. "Put the beef burrito down, Adam."
255 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:26:32pm |
re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly
Shit like this reminds me that I grew up before the internet was a thing, and only became an internet denizen in college in the 90's, when there really as not connectivity on any sort of level we have now, the barriers to entry were immense
I can't imagine being a kid today with all the shit that goes along with being a teenager or a college student and then the power of modern social networks, it's pretty terrifying
(Also, I am still not on Facebook, never had an account)
256 | Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:27:03pm |
re: #254 prairiefire
Heh, MAN VS FOOD: Food 1, Man 0. Now to other news.
257 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:27:14pm |
re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist
I just accept everything my mother-in-law sends me, sigh, and delete.
Send chain letters back in retaliation! Especially if they're crazy UFO conspiracy shit :D
258 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:27:15pm |
re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist
My mother-in-law gives me not just emails, but whole books by Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. Luckily I can regift to one of my business partners.
259 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:27:57pm |
re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist
I just accept everything my mother-in-law sends me, sigh, and delete.
I got feisty one day. Although I of course, didn't respond to EVERYONE, that would be too much.
She still likes me, kinda.
260 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:28:51pm |
re: #253 Stanley Sea
It's actually pretty classic down here when it rains. Guaranteed freeway stoppage. Guaranteed.
I'm from Florida where we would go 75 in the biggest downpour, no problem. Bizarre.
Oh and thanks for the PNW pimp, I sooo want to move there you know.
You gotta come! It's full of wackyness :D I hope you A) like rain and B) like rain and C) like overcast gray doomy days that are fixing to rain
Oh yeah, and I hope you like doom metal because we got a lot of that here as well
261 | Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:28:54pm |
re: #254 prairiefire
That gray pallor, it is not a good sign. "Put the beef burrito down, Adam."
Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall has nice pallor despite living on an island with no sun....
262 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:29:15pm |
I don't get anything like chain letters--either Comcast has some good filters, or nobody wants my help.
263 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:29:24pm |
Update on my MIL, and epic thanks to all who expressed kindnesses
Stable, had a tiny cardiac "episode" in the ER (huge kudos to the wife for getting MIL to ER before the episode). Gonna get her pacemaker this very evening and then be held in the hospital pending adjustments (?) to the device. Or her to it maybe.
Bottom line
WHEW!
264 | freetoken Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:29:33pm |
re: #236 Stanley Sea
Oh, but the sound of thunder today! Wow. (you folks, we don't have thunder and lightning here much at all)
Yup, it woke me up this morning. In my time living here (quarter of a century) I think I've experienced thunderstorms in Sept only about 3 or 4 times.
The water vapor 24 hour loop shows how it happened:
[Link: www.weather.gov...]
We don't get tropical storms here (though Arizona has on rare occasions), so that coastal (non tropical) system is unusual. One thing about AGW - precip predictions for SoCal are hard to coalesce on a solution, probably because if the ocean warms enough we might see tropical storms coming this far north.
As for "the 5" - hasn't it always been a parking lot?
265 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:29:55pm |
re: #257 WindUpBird
Send chain letters back in retaliation! Especially if they're crazy UFO conspiracy shit :D
Remember, this is a middle-aged lesbian who falls asleep listening to Alex Jones podcasts. She believe in aliens. She believes that Barack Obama is a mutant Muslim plant from outer space. She believes that cell phones are killing us slowly. She believes that the world is ending in 2012. She believes in chemtrails. I haven't found much she DOESN'T have faith in.
But she gave birth to my husband, so I smile and delete the messages. The ones with inspirational pictures of puppies I even read.
266 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:30:25pm |
re: #263 Rightwingconspirator
Good for her; I'm glad your wife made it there in time.
267 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:30:39pm |
re: #258 jaunte
My mother-in-law gives me not just emails, but whole books by Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. Luckily I can regift to one of my business partners.
Regift? Those make excellent birdcage liners, packing material for parcels, and firestarters!
I think if I got a Hannity book as a gift, I'd hollow it out and make it my secret hideyhole for whatever contraband I run across
268 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:31:26pm |
re: #260 WindUpBird
You gotta come! It's full of wackyness :D I hope you A) like rain and B) like rain and C) like overcast gray doomy days that are fixing to rain
Oh yeah, and I hope you like doom metal because we got a lot of that here as well
Rain I love. Gloomy days I love.
doom metal? Way out of my usual repertoire, but everyone can learn, you never know.
269 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:31:40pm |
re: #267 WindUpBird
That's a good idea; I can hollow it out and the other partner would like it better.
270 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:33:08pm |
re: #263 Rightwingconspirator
Update on my MIL, and epic thanks to all who expressed kindnesses
Stable, had a tiny cardiac "episode" in the ER (huge kudos to the wife for getting MIL to ER before the episode). Gonna get her pacemaker this very evening and then be held in the hospital pending adjustments (?) to the device. Or her to it maybe.Bottom line
WHEW!
Dad got a pacemaker, said it was the best thing that ever happened to him. (??)
Good all worked out.
271 | Eclectic Infidel Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:34:27pm |
Just got off the phone with D. (my gf). D. recently interviewed for a nanny position, and at the interview, the wife said to her face, "I'm impressed you're so organized and professional, usually your people have a poor work ethic, [sic]" and then she proceeded to tell D. that she was surprised D. is black because she didn't sound like one.
Wow. Just, wow.
272 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:34:37pm |
re: #259 Stanley Sea
I got feisty one day. Although I of course, didn't respond to EVERYONE, that would be too much.
She still likes me, kinda.
I told my In Laws I don't understand Republican jokes. They stopped emailing them to me.
273 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:34:53pm |
re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist
Remember, this is a middle-aged lesbian who falls asleep listening to Alex Jones podcasts. She believe in aliens. She believes that Barack Obama is a mutant Muslim plant from outer space. She believes that cell phones are killing us slowly. She believes that the world is ending in 2012. She believes in chemtrails. I haven't found much she DOESN'T have faith in.
But she gave birth to my husband, so I smile and delete the messages. The ones with inspirational pictures of puppies I even read.
This person is awesome and should probably be canonized as a saint
Now when you say she believes Barack Obama is a muslim plant from outer-space, do you mean that he's just been inserted into the presidency by aliens, or that he also subsists off sunlight and chlorophyll? That he is, in-fact, a sentient plant? :D
I have a crackpot theory that a lot of creative people whose creativity has no outlet for whatever personality, upringing, or life-choice reasons, they funnel that into zany conspiracy theories, because really, it IS fun to think of the world as hiding a bunch of zany conspiracies, or a secret war between secret governments, or that we're just a veil underneath which the faerie worlds are teeming with life and vying for dominance, or psychics, or poltergeists, or free-floating class five apparitions I heard a vocie say Zuul
274 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:35:27pm |
re: #264 freetoken
Yup, it woke me up this morning. In my time living here (quarter of a century) I think I've experienced thunderstorms in Sept only about 3 or 4 times.
The water vapor 24 hour loop shows how it happened:
[Link: www.weather.gov...]
We don't get tropical storms here (though Arizona has on rare occasions), so that coastal (non tropical) system is unusual. One thing about AGW - precip predictions for SoCal are hard to coalesce on a solution, probably because if the ocean warms enough we might see tropical storms coming this far north.As for "the 5" - hasn't it always been a parking lot?
Whoa! Excellent video of what's happening. Damn, we are covered!!
And yes, the 5 sucks terribly, I try so hard to miss the jams, but today - no chance.
275 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:36:18pm |
re: #268 Stanley Sea
Rain I love. Gloomy days I love.
doom metal? Way out of my usual repertoire, but everyone can learn, you never know.
It all came from these guys:
basically, we have a great climate for tattooed bearded dudes who get high, stay indoors and make sludgy sounds with guitars
276 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:37:13pm |
re: #272 prairiefire
I told my In Laws I don't understand Republican jokes. They stopped emailing them to me.
Why did the black guy cross the road?
TO GET HIS SECRET WELFARE CHECK FROM BARACK OBAMA WHACKITY SCHMACKITY DOOOO
277 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:37:28pm |
re: #271 eclectic infidel
It's really tempting to say to some people "you know, those are what we call inside thoughts, no reason to let them out for me to hear."
278 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:37:48pm |
re: #271 eclectic infidel
Just got off the phone with D. (my gf). D. recently interviewed for a nanny position, and at the interview, the wife said to her face, "I'm impressed you're so organized and professional, usually your people have a poor work ethic, [sic]" and then she proceeded to tell D. that she was surprised D. is black because she didn't sound like one.
Wow. Just, wow.
She walked. Tell me your GF walked.
280 | Wozza Matter? Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:38:11pm |
re: #276 WindUpBird
Why did the black guy cross the road?
TO GET HIS SECRET WELFARE CHECK FROM BARACK OBAMA WHACKITY SCHMACKITY DOOO
stop hacking my email dood - it's not big and it's not clever..........
/
281 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:38:51pm |
re: #271 eclectic infidel
Just got off the phone with D. (my gf). D. recently interviewed for a nanny position, and at the interview, the wife said to her face, "I'm impressed you're so organized and professional, usually your people have a poor work ethic, [sic]" and then she proceeded to tell D. that she was surprised D. is black because she didn't sound like one.
Wow. Just, wow.
When does she start?
282 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:39:19pm |
re: #275 WindUpBird
It all came from these guys:
[Video]basically, we have a great climate for tattooed bearded dudes who get high, stay indoors and make sludgy sounds with guitars
yum!
283 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:39:43pm |
re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Your mum is lovely, FBV.
284 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:40:06pm |
re: #271 eclectic infidel
Just got off the phone with D. (my gf). D. recently interviewed for a nanny position, and at the interview, the wife said to her face, "I'm impressed you're so organized and professional, usually your people have a poor work ethic, [sic]" and then she proceeded to tell D. that she was surprised D. is black because she didn't sound like one.
Wow. Just, wow.
My mother has done the "he didn't sound black!" thing before when there was some ebay thing or something she was selling online, then the guy comes and picks it up, but I don't think she'd go there
285 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:40:33pm |
286 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:41:18pm |
re: #282 Stanley Sea
yum!
also beer
beer and portland go together like chocolate and peanut butter :D
just like don't expect much of an economy here
288 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:42:24pm |
re: #286 WindUpBird
did you see that sunset I photographed?
289 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:42:49pm |
re: #269 jaunte
That's a good idea; I can hollow it out and the other partner would like it better.
Or do both!
Hollow it out and put some [contraband redacted] inside and then your friend opens the packages and goes, REALLY.
And then opens the book and goes REALLY!
290 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:42:58pm |
291 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:43:59pm |
re: #283 prairiefire
*curtsies*
Found out today... the necklace she is wearing in the picture... was a gift from my dad... he worked for two weeks and it was half of what he made... the necklace was 14.95. She was 16 years old.
So frickin' sweet!
293 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:44:36pm |
re: #271 eclectic infidel
Just got off the phone with D. (my gf). D. recently interviewed for a nanny position, and at the interview, the wife said to her face, "I'm impressed you're so organized and professional, usually your people have a poor work ethic, [sic]" and then she proceeded to tell D. that she was surprised D. is black because she didn't sound like one.
Wow. Just, wow.
Godalmighty.
Is she going to have to WORK for this person?
294 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:45:28pm |
re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist
I think I'd take the job, just to bring EEOC crashing upon their heads.
295 | researchok Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:45:32pm |
Stuxnet Analysis Supports Iran-Israel Connections
Speculation about the Stuxnet work has grown rampant in ithe last week, as everyone from computer security experts to political scientiests to divinity experts have weighed in on details of the worm, which was first identified in July. The story burst into the popular media after security and industrial control experts - looking at the capabilities and infection statistics from the Stuxnet worm -- suggested that it may have been a targeted attack aimed at Iran's nuclear enrichment facilities, and each day has brought new revelations about the impact of the worm and its possible origins.
Recent discussions have focused on Israel as a possible source of the virus, given its sophistication and in Israel's stated interest in disrupting Iran's development of a nuclear weapon and clues in the malware itself, including a refernce to Myrtus, the biblical character of Miriam.
296 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:46:08pm |
re: #290 WindUpBird
log into gmail
297 | Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:47:05pm |
re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist
Godalmighty.
Is she going to have to WORK for this person?
If I were young, black, female, smart and evil I'd take the job. In two years her brats would be quoting Stokely and Eldridge.
298 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:48:00pm |
re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist
Godalmighty.
Is she going to have to WORK for this person?
Or work this person over, as the case may be
299 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:48:18pm |
300 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:50:50pm |
301 | Wozza Matter? Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:51:01pm |
g'night y'all
my best regards to the assembled.
303 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:54:05pm |
re: #268 Stanley Sea
If you like Gloom, here is some:
Tonight's gloom.
304 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:54:07pm |
re: #300 Ojoe
Tonight's sort of gloomy Towercam sunset. San Gabriel Mountains of California.
that looks like a pretty good place to be..
305 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:55:48pm |
re: #303 Ojoe
Huh, the link did not work. I will try again. It was just the towercam.
306 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:57:05pm |
re: #304 cliffster
No bright rays tonight, though.
I think I have been paying too much attention to politics.
I will go wash the dishes as an antidote.
307 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:57:58pm |
308 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:58:46pm |
309 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 6:59:36pm |
re: #306 Ojoe
No bright rays tonight, though.
I think I have been paying too much attention to politics.
I will go wash the dishes as an antidote.
Removing filth as treatment for immersion in politics. Win.
310 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:00:11pm |
311 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:01:15pm |
re: #310 WindUpBird
I'm a piece of spam.
312 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:02:37pm |
313 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:03:58pm |
Looks like Wilders got a win:
A ban on wearing the full Islamic veil in the Netherlands will be part of the government's programme under a pact to form a coalition, party leaders say.
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
314 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:04:09pm |
315 | laZardo Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:07:20pm |
Speaking of revealing...this is what Kim the Third looks like.
316 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:07:25pm |
"We want to give the country back to the working Dutch citizen."
Whateverthehell that means.
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
317 | Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:09:06pm |
I have to get some sleep. Good night all.
318 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:11:00pm |
re: #313 jaunte
Looks like Wilders got a win:
A ban on wearing the full Islamic veil in the Netherlands will be part of the government's programme under a pact to form a coalition, party leaders say.
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
I'd accept that, if it were honestly meant as a rebuff against forced veiling and if the was no other way. But they way Wilders means it is little more than a "Fuck You!" to all Muslims. Such a thing can only make our Islamist problems worse.
319 | freetoken Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:11:14pm |
re: #315 laZardo
He's now a 4-star general, so I guess we'll have to listen to him.
Fascinating thing about that picture - the guy in the uniform and Mr. "III"rd are holding their hands in a very Eastern fashion (for a photograph), but Lil' Kim chose to sit in a totally relaxed fashion with his hands resting together. A message maybe?
320 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:13:49pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
In itself, the ban doesn't address any actual problem, so I'd agree it was just an insult designed to improve Wilders' stature. Too bad they think have to play ball with him.
321 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:14:34pm |
Charles,
I'm sure you already know about them, but occasionally I get a couple of display glitches on LGF. Sometimes it formats weirdly like this, and sometimes when I post I get double comments like this. Both glitches are fixed on reloading of the page. Just thought I'd mention it. I'm browsing with Safari 5.0.2 (6533.18.5) running in OS-X 10.6.4 on a Macbook Pro model 5,5 (13" unibody).
322 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:16:43pm |
323 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:18:40pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
I'd accept that, if it were honestly meant as a rebuff against forced veiling and if the was no other way. But they way Wilders means it is little more than a "Fuck You!" to all Muslims. Such a thing can only make our Islamist problems worse.
Seriously? I believe in freedom. A government ban on an article of clothing might very well be the worst law ever.
324 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:19:26pm |
re: #320 jaunte
In itself, the ban doesn't address any actual problem, so I'd agree it was just an insult designed to improve Wilders' stature. Too bad they think have to play ball with him.
They either listen to him or fail to form a government. Not a good choice.
325 | freetoken Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:20:12pm |
re: #321 goddamnedfrank
Weren't we blaming the Mormons and their ads for that CSS mess?
Anyway, yeah, the CSS does get messed up somehow, and I strongly suspect it has to do with certain adverts.
326 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:21:08pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
I'd accept that, if it were honestly meant as a rebuff against forced veiling and if the was no other way. But they way Wilders means it is little more than a "Fuck You!" to all Muslims. Such a thing can only make our Islamist problems worse.
I don't see depriving women who want to wear it of the right as a reasonable way to protect women who don't, quite simply. But you're right, that's the last thing Wilders cares about.
Any stats on how many women wear the full veil in the Netherlands anyway? They went NUTS in Switzerland, and then the stats were ridiculously low.
327 | laZardo Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:22:02pm |
re: #319 freetoken
He's now a 4-star general, so I guess we'll have to listen to him.
Fascinating thing about that picture - the guy in the uniform and Mr. "III"rd are holding their hands in a very Eastern fashion (for a photograph), but Lil' Kim chose to sit in a totally relaxed fashion with his hands resting together. A message maybe?
"Fuck y'all, I'm retiring."
Also, the guy in the uniform is probably the Chief of Staff.
328 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:23:39pm |
Good evening, honcos!
Update on the UT shooter. 6'2", 200 pounds. Not the type to be bullied. Quiet but quite brilliant. Math major. Research papers (as a sophomore!) related to statistical analyses. Graduated #7 in his high school class in Austin. Lived with his parents. His dad is a veterinarian and mom runs a child care facility. Not real social, but pleasant. Maybe a bit socially inept. Asbereger's?
Not a single clue that he could twist off like this. Police say that they know where he got the gun, and where he parked the car (rumor is the Dobie dorm parking lot on 21st), but there were absolutely no red flags, anywhere.
He had every opportunity to kill as many people as he wanted to. He shot at no one. Dozens of close range targets were available. Everyone who saw him said he had a big grin on his face (he was wearing a dark suit and a ski mask, but the grin was obvious and gleeful. He was also yelling "Woo Hoo". Multiple witnesses attest to all this.)
He also played a lot of video games. The following is rumor:
One of the games he played was a first-person shooter where you racked up positive and negative karma based on your actions. One of the possible outcomes is the shooter wearing a dark business suit and a ski mask and committing suicide on a college campus.
329 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:23:47pm |
re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist
BBC says:
Around 5% of the Netherlands' 16 million residents are Muslims, but only around 300 are thought to wear the burka.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
It's an invasion!1!
330 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:23:50pm |
re: #323 cliffster
Seriously? I believe in freedom. A government ban on an article of clothing might very well be the worst law ever.
YES. yes.
331 | freetoken Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:24:31pm |
332 | ozbloke Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:24:40pm |
re: #325 freetoken
Weren't we blaming the Mormons and their ads for that CSS mess?
Anyway, yeah, the CSS does get messed up somehow, and I strongly suspect it has to do with certain adverts.
I think I've seen this when z-index is used is css.
333 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:27:06pm |
re: #323 cliffster
Seriously? I believe in freedom. A government ban on an article of clothing might very well be the worst law ever.
That's why I said "if there were no other way". I've posted articles that advocated banning the burqa, but even they only advocated doing so to prevent it being forced on women. To ban it as a rejection of Islam is as foolish an idea as can be found. It's doing the enemy a small injury, and that's never smart. Sarkozy is moving for a ban for reasons that are at least defensible (even if the defense falls short). Wilders is just being a bigoted asshole.
334 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:27:52pm |
re: #329 jaunte
BBC says:
It's an invasion!1!
Three hundred women in a country of 16 million are wearing burqas and this is their biggest social problem?
There's probably three hundred serial killers in the United States right at this very moment, you know?
336 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:29:39pm |
337 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:31:25pm |
Need to call in an airstrike? There's an app for that.
338 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:31:38pm |
re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist
That tiny number needs to get bigger play.
339 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:32:03pm |
re: #333 Dark_Falcon
That's why I said "if there were no other way". I've posted articles that advocated banning the burqa, but even they only advocated doing so to prevent it being forced on women. To ban it as a rejection of Islam is as foolish an idea as can be found. It's doing the enemy a small injury, and that's never smart. Sarkozy is moving for a ban for reasons that are at least defensible (even if the defense falls short). Wilders is just being a bigoted asshole.
It's actually doing the enemy a small favor. Veil bans are good propaganda for the bad guys, and inconvenience no one except a few women...who, if they're actually being made to veil, will now be made to stay home.
341 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:33:24pm |
re: #338 jaunte
That tiny number needs to get bigger play.
It's ridiculous. The loonietunesers talk as though the streets of Europe are flooded with women with their faces covered, and Christian girls are being hassled for showing their chins in public. This is a huge fuss over absolutely nothing.
342 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:33:40pm |
re: #330 Stanley Sea
YES. yes.
I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.
Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.
But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.
343 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:34:17pm |
re: #333 Dark_Falcon
Here's an interesting point of view from Engels:
...we argue that every religion is historically an ideology of, among other things, gender oppression. It does not follow that calling for bans on all religions or religious customs is the correct way to fight such oppression. Classical Marxism did not require the inscription of atheism in the programme of social movements. On the contrary, in his 1874 critique of the Blanquist émigrés from the Paris Commune, Engels rejected their call to abolish religion by decree. His view has been completely confirmed by 20th Century experiences, as when he wrote that: "persecutions are the best means of promoting disliked convictions".[Link: liammacuaid.wordpress.com...]
344 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:36:14pm |
re: #335 laZardo
Let me guess: 4chan?
/
Naw, I've got some friends in the APD and the UTPD. What I wrote was what is confirmed and are high confidence speculations.
345 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:36:44pm |
re: #342 austin_blue
I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.
Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.
But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.
Outside of court, what are your thoughts?
346 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:37:00pm |
re: #342 austin_blue
I'm guessing that when the BBC says 'burka' they're not being completely accurate. They could mean any kind of hijab.
347 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:37:06pm |
re: #342 austin_blue
I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.
Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.
But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.
And do you feel that applies also to a simple niqab?
348 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:38:20pm |
re: #346 jaunte
I'm guessing that when the BBC says 'burka' they're not being completely accurate. They could mean any kind of hijab.
Hijab simply mean modest dress with headcovering, and I'm sure there are more women covering their hair than that. Their little fashion-show of sketches showed the different styles.
349 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:38:35pm |
re: #342 austin_blue
I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.
Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.
But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.
Well, the veil can be rationally prohibited in the case of someone testifying in court. That serves a reasonable purpose and an important public interest. That should be done.
350 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:39:53pm |
re: #342 austin_blue
I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.
Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.
But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.
playing a tuba while testifying would be extremely distracting. I think tubas should be banned.
351 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:40:08pm |
Some numbers from Belgium:
There are no official statistics on how many women wear face-covering veils, though analysts agree it is a marginal phenomenon among the roughly 400,000 Muslims living in Belgium (about 4 percent of the country's population). In 2009, 29 women were stopped by police in eight municipalities in the Brussels region that ban the full Muslim veil. It is unclear whether the women were penalized as a result.[Link: www.hrw.org...]
352 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:40:16pm |
re: #342 austin_blue
I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.
Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.
But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.
Other than fear sites, where is this concern coming up? How MANY burqa clad women have been testifying lately to the detriment of the trial's outcome?
353 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:40:37pm |
re: #343 jaunte
Here's an interesting point of view from Engels:
That's an actual Radical Socialist article. As such, I dismiss it out of hand. I regard such article as having no value other than for "Know your enemy" purposes.
354 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:42:26pm |
re: #353 Dark_Falcon
Sure, I just think in that case Engels was right about the result of that kind of ban.
355 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:44:03pm |
re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist
Outside of court, what are your thoughts?
Tough, innit? I loathe them on a human basis. I don't like women in baggies.
I also have big problems with masked people in banks. Don't you?
And yet, we don't give a hoot about Halloween masks. How do we know that roving bands of Midget Housebreakers aren't targeting us? I guess that is as likely as someone in a burqa being a criminal.
I guess I'm ambivalent. Like a political consultant, I can spin it both ways.
356 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:46:32pm |
re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist
Remember, this is a middle-aged lesbian who falls asleep listening to Alex Jones podcasts. She believe in aliens. She believes that Barack Obama is a mutant Muslim plant from outer space. She believes that cell phones are killing us slowly. She believes that the world is ending in 2012. She believes in chemtrails. I haven't found much she DOESN'T have faith in.
But she gave birth to my husband, so I smile and delete the messages. The ones with inspirational pictures of puppies I even read.
In oblique defense of your Ma in Law: I used to listen to Art Bell whenever possible. In case you're not aware, he was sort of a precursor to Alex Jones. His show entertained all kinds of conspiracy theories, but his main focus (and the reason I listened) was because of the show's intense focus on UFO-related whatzits. Roswell, Area 51, Bob Lazar, Majestic-12, etc.
Art Bell was different from Alex Jones in many respects. First and foremost, he was a broadcaster who happened to be a kook, rather than a kook who happened to be a broadcaster. He had a voice and cadence perfectly suited for late-night radio. He was always very mellow in his delivery, and when he got into topics like black-ops research involving captured aliens being interrogated for information about their technology, his delivery made it all the freakier. He never ranted, yelled, or talked about death panels, but it would not have been out of character for him to interview a guest who insisted that humans were being raised as a food source for aliens living in a colony at Area 51, with the full cooperation of the CIA / NSA in exchange for cooperation and technology. As obviously insane as that is, I hope it's easy to see how that's a hundred miles away from the Alex Jones "9/11 was an inside job" stuff.
One of my favorite bits Art Bell used to do was when he would announce that he was "absolutely certain" that some member of his audience was a time-traveler from the future, a participant in an unfathomably weird CIA research project, a cyborg, or the like. He would invite these people to call in and tell their story anonymously. Then he would take unscreened callers, most of whom were useless and didn't last 15 seconds, but every once in a blue moon, you'd get an extremely creative caller who made freakishly plausible claims, and thus entertainment ensued. I guess the Internet-age example of this would be the legend of John Titor.
I don't think it's accurate to say that, at the time, I genuinely believed all the stuff about alien abductions and government UFO conspiracies and so forth, but on a certain level I wanted it to be true. To me, the idea of a world in which aliens have been secretly checking us out for tens of thousands of years (with occasional delinquents meddling in our biz with unintended world-wide effects) was highly appealing, just because it would be SO COOL.
At the same time, I thought Art Bell probably didn't actually believe any of it, and that he was just a really talented broadcaster with a flair for freaky X Files-style fantasy. Later on, I was somewhat disappointed to learn that he actually did believe a lot of the things he put on his show.
Note: for better or worse, I no longer believe any of those things, for about eleventy reasons. But some part of me still wishes they were true.
I wonder if any of my experience with Art Bell might transpose onto Alex Jones' audience.
357 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:46:35pm |
re: #350 cliffster
playing a tuba while testifying would be extremely distracting. I think tubas should be banned.
Now I'm envisioning a woman in a burqa playing the tuba on a witness stand.
I don't know exactly why, but I'm rooting for her. For one thing, I don't know how many Afghan lady tuba players there are. For another, how can the court fully understand her situation without the tuba solo?
358 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:46:48pm |
re: #354 jaunte
Sure, I just think in that case Engels was right about the result of that kind of ban.
Who else can you use to bolster that case? Because I can't hang anything on the opinion of a Red.
359 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:47:11pm |
NRC Handelsblad, today:
European countries ponder banning the burqa
360 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:48:28pm |
re: #358 Dark_Falcon
Well, I guess it's the same reason Prohibition failed.
361 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:48:33pm |
re: #355 austin_blue
Tough, innit? I loathe them on a human basis. I don't like women in baggies.
I also have big problems with masked people in banks. Don't you?
And yet, we don't give a hoot about Halloween masks. How do we know that roving bands of Midget Housebreakers aren't targeting us? I guess that is as likely as someone in a burqa being a criminal.
I guess I'm ambivalent. Like a political consultant, I can spin it both ways.
I've never seen a woman on the street in a burqa, and I expect it would unsettle me. It's the not being able to see the eyes part, I think.
I've only ever seen three women wearing face veils, and it didn't bother me, although the two sitting together on my local bus came as a bit of a surprise.
Not that my personal feelings carry any legal weight.
362 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:49:21pm |
re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist
Three hundred women in a country of 16 million are wearing burqas and this is their biggest social problem?
There's probably three hundred serial killers in the United States right at this very moment, you know?
Paralyzed by burqas, but not a fuckin' peep about FGM.
363 | freetoken Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:50:01pm |
364 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:50:03pm |
re: #342 austin_blue
I'll go ahead and disagree, just to be a Devil's Advocate.
Want to wear a head scarf? Knock yourself out. Want to wear hijab? Cool. You are no more covered than a Catholic nun in a wimple.
But when you get into a Burqa, expect some push back. I want to know who is testifying in court. I want to read facial expressions. It's important.
I want to testify in court wearing one of these
365 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:51:05pm |
re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist
Three hundred women in a country of 16 million are wearing burqas and this is their biggest social problem?
There's probably three hundred serial killers in the United States right at this very moment, you know?
There are probably more professional breakdancers in America than people wearing burqas on a daily basis, hahah
366 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:52:00pm |
re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist
I saw what I assume was a Saudi couple at the Houston Zoo one sweltering July, he in shorts and short-sleeves, and she in the full black bag. I disliked it on sight. I didn't like it on her behalf, but she has to decide she wants out, I can't force her out of it.
367 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:53:28pm |
re: #360 jaunte
Well, I guess it's the same reason Prohibition failed.
Not really. Prohibition failed because the desire for alcohol was so widespread. When its just a small minority, you can prohibit their customs and make it stand up, if you're prepared to be ruthless in doing so.
Please Note: I am saying what is possible. I am not, repeat not saying it is a good idea.
368 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:54:10pm |
re: #365 WindUpBird
There are probably more professional breakdancers in America than people wearing burqas on a daily basis, hahah
I don't know about that.. there's a family of burqa-donners in my neighborhood. And I live in Texas. Can't be all that uncommon. Creeps me out too. Doesn't matter shit whether it creeps me out or not, though, in the context of government bans.
369 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:54:28pm |
re: #366 jaunte
I saw what I assume was a Saudi couple at the Houston Zoo one sweltering July, he in shorts and short-sleeves, and she in the full black bag. I disliked it on sight. I didn't like it on her behalf, but she has to decide she wants out, I can't force her out of it.
Some people are just fundamentalists. That's my take.
cue the ladies in Utah with their (and their daughter's) little house on the prairie outfits.
370 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:55:32pm |
re: #358 Dark_Falcon
Who else can you use to bolster that case? Because I can't hang anything on the opinion of a Red.
No offense dude, but you sell cell phones for a living, and I make digital Playskool characters for a living, neither of us are in a position to dismiss Fredreich Engels
The difference is, I'm self-aware enough to know that I'm not in an intellectual position to dismiss Engels out of hand, and apparently you aren't
You also think you're in an intellectual position to dismiss all of San Francisco, maybe you should reel the ol' rhetoric in a smidge
371 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:56:32pm |
re: #367 Dark_Falcon
Maybe Prohibition was a bad analogy; I think if a government tries to outlaw a custom, those who want to cling to the custom will just take it out of sight of the civil authorities, and the official disapproval will only strengthen their desire to keep it as a mark of special identity.
372 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:57:15pm |
re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist
I've never seen a woman on the street in a burqa, and I expect it would unsettle me. It's the not being able to see the eyes part, I think.
I've only ever seen three women wearing face veils, and it didn't bother me, although the two sitting together on my local bus came as a bit of a surprise.
Not that my personal feelings carry any legal weight.
Exactly. I have seen two women in burqas in Austin. Both were in Central Market. Organic is generally accepted as Halal.
373 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:57:48pm |
re: #359 jaunte
NRC Handelsblad, today:
European countries ponder banning the burqa
The whole ban it attitude. What a cheap cop out for dealing with the real issues.
374 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:58:56pm |
375 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:59:06pm |
re: #370 WindUpBird
No offense dude, but you sell cell phones for a living, and I make digital Playskool characters for a living, neither of us are in a position to dismiss Fredreich Engels
The difference is, I'm self-aware enough to know that I'm not in an intellectual position to dismiss Engels out of hand, and apparently you aren't
You also think you're in an intellectual position to dismiss all of San Francisco, maybe you should reel the ol' rhetoric in a smidge
and Albert Einstein was a postal clerk. who the hell was he to go on about acceleration, space, time, and all that complicated stuff? Stand down, cell-phone salesman
376 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:59:51pm |
re: #370 WindUpBird
No offense dude, but you sell cell phones for a living, and I make digital Playskool characters for a living, neither of us are in a position to dismiss Fredreich Engels
The difference is, I'm self-aware enough to know that I'm not in an intellectual position to dismiss Engels out of hand, and apparently you aren't
You also think you're in an intellectual position to dismiss all of San Francisco, maybe you should reel the ol' rhetoric in a smidge
After the election I'll dial it back.
Also, just so you know, I don't sell cell phones anymore. I sell conference seats now. I haven't talked about the new job much though, for fear of attracting Stalker Attention to it. Those folks would say you having Playskool characters share in "Radical Socialism".
377 | freetoken Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:01:09pm |
re: #375 cliffster
and Albert Einstein was a postal clerk. who the hell was he to go on about acceleration, space, time, and all that complicated stuff?
He was a patent clerk. Oh, and he was also graduate in physics too.
378 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:02:15pm |
re: #377 freetoken
He was a patent clerk. Oh, and he was also graduate in physics too.
Thank you! Saved me the trouble!
379 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:02:42pm |
re: #377 freetoken
He was a patent clerk. Oh, and he was also graduate in physics too.
really? from which university?
380 | sagehen Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:03:04pm |
re: #102 reine.de.tout
It doesn't work.
Government is not business. What works for business, does NOT work for an efficiently run government. Some things do, of course, good supervision, good training, etc.But we've had any number of businessmen running for office, saying the gov't needs to be run like a "bidness", and they are wrong, wrong, wrong.
Except for Mike Bloomberg.
381 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:03:13pm |
re: #369 Stanley Sea
Some people are just fundamentalists. That's my take.
cue the ladies in Utah with their (and their daughter's) little house on the prairie outfits.
Check this out:
There's a genuine victim.
382 | ProGunLiberal Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:03:33pm |
383 | freetoken Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:04:29pm |
re: #379 cliffster
really? from which university?
Zurich, IIRC. Also, he was working on his dissertation while working as patent examiner, and earned it while still working there.
384 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:04:52pm |
Hey, what's the take on Meg Whitman's hiring an undocumented maid?
Mine? Typical. Absolutely typical. I don't like Gloria Allred, so it's not a cool reveal. But in my opinion, anyone in California with the bucks to hire help are hiring undocumented folks. (cue Cantor: come on!)
The only thing that kind of rubs me is how she had to fire her quickly once she decided to run. Someone in your house for 9 years is pretty much family. Should have got her legal, spent the money necessary, and used it as a platform for reform.
385 | freetoken Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:05:20pm |
re: #378 LudwigVanQuixote
Thank you! Saved me the trouble!
I live to serve the one. I die for the one.
386 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:05:28pm |
re: #368 cliffster
I don't know about that.. there's a family of burqa-donners in my neighborhood. And I live in Texas. Can't be all that uncommon. Creeps me out too. Doesn't matter shit whether it creeps me out or not, though, in the context of government bans.
People wearing baggy obscuring clothes doesn't bother me, it's just simply not a thing I care about. Buzzcut guys and their leathery trophy wives up the street from me in their McMansions, bombing down blind corners recklessly in their Escalades and Yukons, one of whom about ran me off the road last week because he apparently thought his car gave him the right to create a heretofore unknown lane of traffic out of thin air? That bothers me. That actually affects my life. Girl wearing a sheet with a gun slit out the front who isn't in danger of t-boning my VW? Who never talks to me? Who keeps to herself? Don't care! Not creeped out at all! Live and let live. I wear weirder shit than that to bars on a weekly basis. :D
The whole ban the burqa thing is just another handle to grab onto for anti-msulim rhetoric and tribalism and a bunch a cuckolding whiteys going OH GOSH SEE THEY"RE JUST SO OPPRESSED WHAT WILL WE DO ABOUT THE COMING MUSLIM INVASION
It's not really significant, except as a one more truncheon to attack muslims with, especially in America when they're already such a minority. Politics!
387 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:06:29pm |
re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know exactly why, but I'm rooting for her. For one thing, I don't know how many Afghan lady tuba players there are. For another, how can the court fully understand her situation without the tuba solo?
Keep in mind that it's only due to a very long series of accidents that the tuba is not the instrument primarily associated with rock music.
In some other universe, Jimi Hendrix revolutionized how people perceived rock tuba.
388 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:07:42pm |
re: #372 austin_blue
Exactly. I have seen two women in burqas in Austin. Both were in Central Market. Organic is generally accepted as Halal.
I think I've seen about two or three dozen niqabs and zero burqas since I moved to Portland.
And about three hundred and fifty drunken santa clauses. I am not kidding.
389 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:08:38pm |
re: #387 negativ
No discussion of rock tuba is complete without Berkeley Breathed Image: Deathtongue.jpg
390 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:08:42pm |
re: #379 cliffster
really? from which university?
You actually have the chutzpah to fight this one with Freetoken?
Wow...
From the wiki...
At age 17, in 1896, he enrolled in the four year mathematics and physics teaching diploma program at the Polytechnic in Zurich.
In 1900 Einstein was awarded the Zurich Polytechnic teaching diploma.
His miracle year at the patent office was in 1905.
In 1901, Einstein had a paper on the capillary forces of a straw published in the prestigious Annalen der Physik.[32] On 30 April 1905, he completed his thesis, with Alfred Kleiner, Professor of Experimental Physics, serving as pro-forma advisor. Einstein was awarded a PhD by the University of Zurich. His dissertation was entitled "A New Determination of Molecular Dimensions".[33] That same year, which has been called Einstein's annus mirabilis or "miracle year", he published four groundbreaking papers, on the photoelectric effect, Brownian motion, special relativity, and the equivalence of matter and energy, which were to bring him to the notice of the academic world.
391 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:09:00pm |
re: #383 freetoken
Zurich, IIRC. Also, he was working on his dissertation while working as patent examiner, and earned it while still working there.
Truth!
392 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:09:06pm |
re: #383 freetoken
Zurich, IIRC. Also, he was working on his dissertation while working as patent examiner, and earned it while still working there.
well.. postal, patent - you sure showed me ;)
393 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:10:26pm |
re: #366 jaunte
I saw what I assume was a Saudi couple at the Houston Zoo one sweltering July, he in shorts and short-sleeves, and she in the full black bag. I disliked it on sight. I didn't like it on her behalf, but she has to decide she wants out, I can't force her out of it.
ever seen goths at the zoo? There's goth zoo days in Portland!
If you're looking to stay cool, the black bag is one thing, the leather cat-suit with the stompy 6" heels, that's on a different level :D
394 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:11:07pm |
re: #390 LudwigVanQuixote
You actually have the chutzpah to fight this one with Freetoken?
Wow...
Wow!
Not everyone lives and dies in confrontation. It was a question. Sometimes a question is just a question. Freud said that. I'm sure you already knew that though
395 | freetoken Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:13:07pm |
re: #394 cliffster
Point is, Einstein knew what he was writing about.
Usually I avoid trying to get between two wannabe-squabblers on threads (in this case DF and WUB), yet because you seemed to want to stir things up I thought I'd throw my toe in the water to try and derail the whole mess.
396 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:13:28pm |
re: #392 cliffster
well.. postal, patent - you sure showed me ;)
Yeah, but the point is that while he was at the patent office, Einstein, who already had a physics degree, and was working on his dissertation, was starting to show the world how much of an amazing physicist he was.
Everyone love the image of some backyard genius suddenly showing up all them smart fellers...
The truth is that Einstein was not only a genius, but he developed his skills with hours of academic work and dedication, and further, it doesn't matter how smart you are if you haven't learned the field. You will at best be re-inventing someone else's wheel.
I can't tell you how many times I thought I had come up with something clever in graduate school, only to discover that someone like Feynman or Einstein knew it in his crib.
397 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:13:42pm |
re: #393 WindUpBird
ever seen goths at the zoo? There's goth zoo days in Portland!
If you're looking to stay cool, the black bag is one thing, the leather cat-suit with the stompy 6" heels, that's on a different level :D
Goth Days? Do they speak proto-German while sacking the gift shop?
/Deliberate misinterpretation for humor.
398 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:14:24pm |
re: #375 cliffster
and Albert Einstein was a postal clerk. who the hell was he to go on about acceleration, space, time, and all that complicated stuff? Stand down, cell-phone salesman
Are you telling me that either me or Dark falcon has demonstrated the intellectual fortitude to dismiss Engles outright?
Sometimes, part of being smart is knowing what field you're smart in, ya know? And having the intellectual honesty to accept that and not run from it
I'm not going to wave my dick around and pretend I'm really learned about Israel, or about particle physics, or about fighter planes, or the Russian civil war, or that I have the authority to dismiss the opinion of an incredibly important person in history in those fields
because i don't know much about those things.
399 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:14:48pm |
re: #395 freetoken
Point is, Einstein knew what he was writing about.
Usually I avoid trying to get between two wannabe-squabblers on threads (in this case DF and WUB), yet because you seemed to want to stir things up I thought I'd throw my toe in the water to try and derail the whole mess.
There's not going to be a squabble. Things are on the level and will stay there.
400 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:15:20pm |
re: #366 jaunte
I saw what I assume was a Saudi couple at the Houston Zoo one sweltering July, he in shorts and short-sleeves, and she in the full black bag. I disliked it on sight. I didn't like it on her behalf, but she has to decide she wants out, I can't force her out of it.
Geez.
There are days when I've stepped outside wearing a tank top and shorts, and it's too hot for all those clothes!
I can't imagine wearing a burqa in the sort of heat we get.
But as you say - it's not your decision, nor mine, nor is it the government's decision.
401 | ProGunLiberal Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:16:31pm |
re: #397 Dark_Falcon
Part of me would pay to see that event unfold. I would expect to be interesting.
402 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:16:31pm |
re: #395 freetoken
Point is, Einstein knew what he was writing about.
Usually I avoid trying to get between two wannabe-squabblers on threads (in this case DF and WUB), yet because you seemed to want to stir things up I thought I'd throw my toe in the water to try and derail the whole mess.
I'm less squabbling with DF and more just registering my disgust with the act of commenters being pretentious on blogs, which is a thing that PLAGUES ME EVERYWHERE ON THE INTERNET
and also I used to do it a lot back on Usenet
403 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:16:33pm |
re: #384 Stanley Sea
You might find some insights here... Excellent page, lots of comments. Links etc.
404 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:16:41pm |
re: #400 reine.de.tout
I think the goofiest thing about the encounter was that they were on their way to see the camel.
405 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:17:45pm |
re: #397 Dark_Falcon
Goth Days? Do they speak proto-German while sacking the gift shop?
/Deliberate misinterpretation for humor.
the goth visigoth joke has been played out for years, me and my vampire metalhead friends heard it in high school, now my vampire metalhead friends' CHILDREN are hearing it ;-)
406 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:18:18pm |
re: #389 WindUpBird
No discussion of rock tuba is complete without Berkeley Breathed Image: Deathtongue.jpg
I can't get your link to load, but somehow I suspect you're linking "You Make Me Sick But I Love You"
I remember the contest, and also the flexi-disc.
I hate your polyester pantsuit, and your greasy hair
I hate that stuff between your braces, and your hairy derierrrrrre
You make me sick (honk honk) but I love you
WHY CAN I REMEMBER THIS SHIT FROM 1987 BUT I CAN'T FIND THE FUCKING CAR KEYS I TOUCHED 2 HOURS AGO?
arrgg
407 | Interesting Times Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:18:24pm |
re: #313 jaunte
Looks like Wilders got a win:
A ban on wearing the full Islamic veil in the Netherlands will be part of the government's programme under a pact to form a coalition, party leaders say.
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
Perhaps they'd reconsider the ban if one of these came in Dutch flag colors? :P
408 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:18:33pm |
re: #386 WindUpBird
People wearing baggy obscuring clothes doesn't bother me, it's just simply not a thing I care about. Buzzcut guys and their leathery trophy wives up the street from me in their McMansions, bombing down blind corners recklessly in their Escalades and Yukons, one of whom about ran me off the road last week because he apparently thought his car gave him the right to create a heretofore unknown lane of traffic out of thin air? That bothers me. That actually affects my life. Girl wearing a sheet with a gun slit out the front who isn't in danger of t-boning my VW? Who never talks to me? Who keeps to herself? Don't care! Not creeped out at all! Live and let live. I wear weirder shit than that to bars on a weekly basis. :D
The whole ban the burqa thing is just another handle to grab onto for anti-msulim rhetoric and tribalism and a bunch a cuckolding whiteys going OH GOSH SEE THEY"RE JUST SO OPPRESSED WHAT WILL WE DO ABOUT THE COMING MUSLIM INVASION
It's not really significant, except as a one more truncheon to attack muslims with, especially in America when they're already such a minority. Politics!
Again, I'll disagree. France is facing a much larger problem in re: to Fundy Islam than we are. Whereas it's the vanishingly small population in the US, it is becoming much and much more common in Europe. Again, I have no problem with hijab, (they remind me of Sister Mary Beatrice in 1st grade) but a full on-on burqa is disturbing to everything I believe. And I'm a dedicated lefty. Maybe that's why. Odd convergence of the left and right.
409 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:20:38pm |
re: #400 reine.de.tout
Geez.
There are days when I've stepped outside wearing a tank top and shorts, and it's too hot for all those clothes!I can't imagine wearing a burqa in the sort of heat we get.
But as you say - it's not your decision, nor mine, nor is it the government's decision.
As someone who has been known to wear a lot of clothes in crazy heat for the sake of fandom or general zaniness, you really get used to it if you're smart about conserving your energy
I mean, guys in Iraq are toting around rifles and gear and backpacks and wearing bulletproof vests and they can do it in that heat, some lady in a sheet, not too hard if you're prepared.
a thing that's difficult is emoting and being "on" and in character when you're wearing a lot of clothes in the heat. Drink lots of water in that case o_o
410 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:20:47pm |
re: #395 freetoken
Point is, Einstein knew what he was writing about.
Usually I avoid trying to get between two wannabe-squabblers on threads (in this case DF and WUB), yet because you seemed to want to stir things up I thought I'd throw my toe in the water to try and derail the whole mess.
in the future, I'll try to be more like you.
411 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:21:25pm |
re: #406 negativ
I can't get your link to load, but somehow I suspect you're linking "You Make Me Sick But I Love You"
I remember the contest, and also the flexi-disc.
I hate your polyester pantsuit, and your greasy hair
I hate that stuff between your braces, and your hairy derierrre
You make me sick (honk honk) but I love youWHY CAN I REMEMBER THIS SHIT FROM 1987 BUT I CAN'T FIND THE FUCKING CAR KEYS I TOUCHED 2 HOURS AGO?
arrgg
Actually, I was linking to the Dethtongue spread: Image: deathtongue.jpg
413 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:22:42pm |
re: #396 LudwigVanQuixote
everyone secretly thinks they are Will Hunting
414 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:23:18pm |
re: #402 WindUpBird
It's not pretension. Engels stood with Karl Marx. His Communism taints anything he said, in my mind.
415 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:24:17pm |
re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist
And do you feel that applies also to a simple niqab?
A simple niqab? The basic Magic Kingdom form of women's public dress? Well here's what it looks like:
Ick. But you decide.
416 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:26:24pm |
re: #408 austin_blue
Again, I'll disagree. France is facing a much larger problem in re: to Fundy Islam than we are. Whereas it's the vanishingly small population in the US, it is becoming much and much more common in Europe. Again, I have no problem with hijab, (they remind me of Sister Mary Beatrice in 1st grade) but a full on-on burqa is disturbing to everything I believe. And I'm a dedicated lefty. Maybe that's why. Odd convergence of the left and right.
France is one thing, we're something else. I'm talking about people in American suburbia (usually people who are predisposed to being suspicious of muslims) grabbing onto the burqa issue with both hands like it's a Big Issue In America and Proof the Muslims are Like Aliens or Something, which seems to be the vibe when it's brought up here.
France, I cant begin to comprehend all the cultural forces at play in France regarding muslims.
417 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:27:40pm |
re: #415 austin_blue
That's the garment I saw at the zoo. The arguments on both sides of the European political spectrum:
Some supporters of this week’s Belgian bill, the Walloon liberals, have taken matters one step further. In the preamble to their proposal they write that “the proposed ban not only takes into consideration matters of the public order, but also – at a more fundamental level – social considerations that are essential for living together in an emancipated society that ensures the rights of all.”An open society means being able to look each other in the face, the preamble continues, because people need to be able to “recognise each other, to know one another”.
...
For now, such a move remains unthinkable in Sweden, the United Kingdom or the Netherlands. These countries have a long tradition of allowing religious expression in the public realm. The conservative Swedish prime minister, Fredrik Reinfeldt, vehemently opposes a burqa ban such as the one argued for by his French and Danish colleagues. The state should not try to force women into emancipation, he believes.The British Labour prime minister, Gordon Brown, has expressed similar feelings about the issue. “The UK government does not share France’s views on secularisation. In the UK we are comfortable with expressions of belief, be it the wearing of the turban, hijab, crucifix or kippa. This diversity is an important part of our national identity and one of our strengths. By contrast, France’s cultural and historical backgrounds have caused them to take a different view of secularisation and the wearing of religious symbols,” is how the British government responded to the French proposal. [Link: www.nrc.nl...]
418 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:27:58pm |
419 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:28:12pm |
re: #406 negativ
I can't get your link to load, but somehow I suspect you're linking "You Make Me Sick But I Love You"
I remember the contest, and also the flexi-disc.
I hate your polyester pantsuit, and your greasy hair
I hate that stuff between your braces, and your hairy derierrre
You make me sick (honk honk) but I love youWHY CAN I REMEMBER THIS SHIT FROM 1987 BUT I CAN'T FIND THE FUCKING CAR KEYS I TOUCHED 2 HOURS AGO?
arrgg
I thought it was U Stink But I Love U :D
(and I'm the same way, can't remember my own phone number but I can tell you what year the GTI turbo went from 150 horse to 180, and I can tell you the name of every member of obscure prog-metal bands from Australia and Quebec)
420 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:28:26pm |
if you start letting women wear burqas all they want, next thing you know they'll be wanting to vote. and have equal pay, and shit like that.
421 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:31:00pm |
re: #408 austin_blue
Again, I'll disagree. France is facing a much larger problem in re: to Fundy Islam than we are. Whereas it's the vanishingly small population in the US, it is becoming much and much more common in Europe. Again, I have no problem with hijab, (they remind me of Sister Mary Beatrice in 1st grade) but a full on-on burqa is disturbing to everything I believe. And I'm a dedicated lefty. Maybe that's why. Odd convergence of the left and right.
Agreed. That's why I'm willing to cut Sarkozy (but not Wilders) some slack on a burqa ban. He really is facing a situation bad enough (there are parts of France where a woman is in danger if she is not veiled) that a outright ban may be the only way.
422 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:31:31pm |
re: #362 negativ
Paralyzed by burqas, but not a fuckin' peep about FGM.
It comes up now and then, but mysteriously without any sweeping law proposed with thundering speeches.
Odd, that. Could it be that they don't give a shit about women's rights, they just want to show their distaste for Muslims?
Couldn't be!
423 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:32:08pm |
re: #416 WindUpBird
France is one thing, we're something else. I'm talking about people in American suburbia (usually people who are predisposed to being suspicious of muslims) grabbing onto the burqa issue with both hands like it's a Big Issue In America and Proof the Muslims are Like Aliens or Something, which seems to be the vibe when it's brought up here.
France, I cant begin to comprehend all the cultural forces at play in France regarding muslims.
Oh, believe me, I don't disagree. I willingly admit that I'm uncomfortable with the burqa, even though I realize that the use of the garment is vanishingly small. It upsets me because I don't think women should be dressed in baggies. To me, culturally, it is an insult to women. They are not property, to be hidden. They are humans, open to the world.
424 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:32:14pm |
re: #418 Stanley Sea
I am just going to keel over if the American Stupidity Party wins.
Well, it ain't over till it's over or after election day but it's a possibility. When I was in my 20s and 30s I would get rather upset if the Democrats lost. Over the years I've become hardened with politicians and politics so it doesn't affect me much personally anymore.
425 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:32:40pm |
re: #414 Dark_Falcon
It's not pretension. Engels stood with Karl Marx. His Communism taints anything he said, in my mind.
communism is a form of government, it's not like they're trying to summon satan, it's not like Ford Versus Chevy, they're human beings that shaped the course of history, it might be worth it to examine what they had to say, yes even if you violently, horrendously, and with every fiber of your being disagree with it.
I mean, what if you were in school for political science and you were assigned that material? Would you just intentionally fail the class rather than examine anything Marx or Engels said?
426 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:32:51pm |
re: #366 jaunte
I saw what I assume was a Saudi couple at the Houston Zoo one sweltering July, he in shorts and short-sleeves, and she in the full black bag. I disliked it on sight. I didn't like it on her behalf, but she has to decide she wants out, I can't force her out of it.
That's at least something you won't see among Chassidim--men don't wear short sleeves and if they wear short pants they wear stockings under them.
427 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:33:52pm |
re: #410 cliffster
in the future, I'll try to be more like you.
Freetoken is a mensch.
Believe it. He's my hero.
428 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:34:36pm |
re: #422 SanFranciscoZionist
A liberal society has to accept that people are free to make choices that might not be in their best interest.
429 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:35:14pm |
re: #425 WindUpBird
communism is a form of government, it's not like they're trying to summon satan, it's not like Ford Versus Chevy, they're human beings that shaped the course of history, it might be worth it to examine what they had to say, yes even if you violently, horrendously, and with every fiber of your being disagree with it.
I mean, what if you were in school for political science and you were assigned that material? Would you just intentionally fail the class rather than examine anything Marx or Engels said?
I did read and examine their work at that time. And I do make some effort in a "know the enemy" sense. I'm not a know-nothing. But I don't what to hang an argument on something Engels said. I want to use the work of someone who is not tainted.
430 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:35:48pm |
431 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:36:35pm |
re: #382 ProLifeLiberal
Being at OU, I know a fair number of Muslim Women (A number of them being close friends). I've never seen a Niqab. In fact a good chunk of them only wear headscarves for prayers. Some of them wear Jilbabs or Hijabs.
Most Muslims in Muslim-majority countries don't cover their faces. Even in Iran it's not that common.
432 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:37:37pm |
re: #384 Stanley Sea
Hey, what's the take on Meg Whitman's hiring an undocumented maid?
Mine? Typical. Absolutely typical. I don't like Gloria Allred, so it's not a cool reveal. But in my opinion, anyone in California with the bucks to hire help are hiring undocumented folks. (cue Cantor: come on!)
The only thing that kind of rubs me is how she had to fire her quickly once she decided to run. Someone in your house for 9 years is pretty much family. Should have got her legal, spent the money necessary, and used it as a platform for reform.
I wouldn't blink much, except that Meg talks a very good game about holding the employers of illegal workers accountable.
I take her at her word. I won't reward this behavior by voting for her.
433 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:38:16pm |
re: #431 SanFranciscoZionist
Most Muslims in Muslim-majority countries don't cover their faces. Even in Iran it's not that common.
No, it's a real Pakistan/Afghanistan thing. Oh, and the Magic Kingdom. Go figure. Our friends the Saudis.
434 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:39:06pm |
re: #424 Gus 802
Well, it ain't over till it's over or after election day but it's a possibility. When I was in my 20s and 30s I would get rather upset if the Democrats lost. Over the years I've become hardened with politicians and politics so it doesn't affect me much personally anymore.
Oh I'm not going to get upset, I'm just going to drink a six pack and go back to what I usually do, which is make weird art, listen to crazy music, and argue on the internet :D
I'm actually having a party on election night ASSUMING the Democrats will get hammered! if they don't, hey, cool! But I'm zen with the idea that Dems will lose the house. The paranoid crazy running around, it's like an amplified version of all the paranoid crazy during Clinton. because whatever the crazy is out there in America, if you put race into the mix, it just gets SO MUCH MORE TASTY
Vince Foster was cooked and eaten by Hillary Clinton. James McDougal's skull is carved with runes and used to scry the future from the Clinton library. Whitewater is where they put all the flying saucers. Mary Mahoney is a robot. WE GOT IT RUSH, JEEZ
435 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:39:21pm |
re: #388 WindUpBird
I think I've seen about two or three dozen niqabs and zero burqas since I moved to Portland.
And about three hundred and fifty drunken santa clauses. I am not kidding.
As I mentioned, in SF I once saw two girls in niqab on the bus, and I once spotted a woman wearing it in London. Saudi tourist, I figured, since we were in a hyperupscale shopping area.
436 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:40:03pm |
re: #422 SanFranciscoZionist
It comes up now and then, but mysteriously without any sweeping law proposed with thundering speeches.
Odd, that. Could it be that they don't give a shit about women's rights, they just want to show their distaste for Muslims?
Couldn't be!
UN
POSSIBEL
WHY I NEAVER HERD OF SUCH UH THING
437 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:41:03pm |
re: #435 SanFranciscoZionist
As I mentioned, in SF I once saw two girls in niqab on the bus, and I once spotted a woman wearing it in London. Saudi tourist, I figured, since we were in a hyperupscale shopping area.
Hyperupscale :D
Is that where the shop is like made entirely out of underlit lucite and there's only three objects in the store with no price tags, and there's a Bentley Continental GT parked out front?
438 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:41:58pm |
re: #408 austin_blue
Again, I'll disagree. France is facing a much larger problem in re: to Fundy Islam than we are. Whereas it's the vanishingly small population in the US, it is becoming much and much more common in Europe. Again, I have no problem with hijab, (they remind me of Sister Mary Beatrice in 1st grade) but a full on-on burqa is disturbing to everything I believe. And I'm a dedicated lefty. Maybe that's why. Odd convergence of the left and right.
But the numbers of women wearing them are very, very small. Remember, three hundred women in the Netherlands. How many in France?
439 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:42:09pm |
re: #429 Dark_Falcon
I did read and examine their work at that time. And I do make some effort in a "know the enemy" sense. I'm not a know-nothing. But I don't what to hang an argument on something Engels said. I want to use the work of someone who is not tainted.
See, when you use words like "tainted" you're just not someone I can talk about this stuff with
441 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:42:57pm |
re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist
Zurich Polytechnic.
Man, talk about upscale, Zurich was BERZERK when we went there. I've never seen more Ferraris being driven on a street in my life.
442 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:43:40pm |
re: #370 WindUpBird
No offense dude, but you sell cell phones for a living, and I make digital Playskool characters for a living, neither of us are in a position to dismiss Fredreich Engels
The difference is, I'm self-aware enough to know that I'm not in an intellectual position to dismiss Engels out of hand, and apparently you aren't
You also think you're in an intellectual position to dismiss all of San Francisco, maybe you should reel the ol' rhetoric in a smidge
WUB, I may not agree with every position you take - but I sure enjoy your intellect and wit.
Rock on, Friend.
....yes I'm back but not for long - 3:30 does beckon ;)
443 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:44:06pm |
re: #415 austin_blue
A simple niqab? The basic Magic Kingdom form of women's public dress? Well here's what it looks like:
Ick. But you decide.
That's one way it looks. The women I've seen on the street covered less and had peripheral vision.
But the issue is that I DON'T decide.
444 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:44:12pm |
re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist
I wouldn't blink much, except that Meg talks a very good game about holding the employers of illegal workers accountable.
I take her at her word. I won't reward this behavior by voting for her.
It was my understanding that the employee provided documents indicating she was legal to hire, and that Whitman filled out the I-9 form like she was supposed to.
But also - there are problems with what are you exactly supposed to do, if you get a "no match" letter? I've gotten them. Here's a part of it:
You should not use this letter to take any adverse action against an employee just because his or her Social Security number appears on the list, such as laying off, suspending, firing , or discriminating against the individual. Doing so could, in fact, violate state or federal law and subject you to legal consequences.
It's illegal to hire someone who isn't legal to hire.
It's also possibly illegal to take action against someone you've hired who turns out to not be legal to hire. It's a mess. Sorta like the affirmative action reports we had to do. We were required by the government to report, by job group and class, the number of minorities and females in each. At the same time, we were prohibited by law from requiring employees to, you know, tell us their gender and race. We had to hope folks would give us that info voluntarily (and they did). But it was still weird.
445 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:44:47pm |
re: #416 WindUpBird
France is one thing, we're something else. I'm talking about people in American suburbia (usually people who are predisposed to being suspicious of muslims) grabbing onto the burqa issue with both hands like it's a Big Issue In America and Proof the Muslims are Like Aliens or Something, which seems to be the vibe when it's brought up here.
France, I cant begin to comprehend all the cultural forces at play in France regarding muslims.
I know that in France they've decided little boys can't wear yarmulkes to school. That's what I know about France.
446 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:45:10pm |
re: #424 Gus 802
Well, it ain't over till it's over or after election day but it's a possibility. When I was in my 20s and 30s I would get rather upset if the Democrats lost. Over the years I've become hardened with politicians and politics so it doesn't affect me much personally anymore.
Palin, on the other hand, takes me to a whole 'nother realm.
447 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:45:24pm |
re: #442 Ericus58
WUB, I may not agree with every position you take - but I sure enjoy your intellect and wit.
Rock on, Friend.
...yes I'm back but not for long - 3:30 does beckon ;)
Oh I know I'm a pain sometimes! If anyone agrees with every position I take (especially on fashion!) that means they're probably one of three people I already know :D
448 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:45:38pm |
re: #438 SanFranciscoZionist
Time magazine:
"We're talking about maximum 2,000 women, meaning this law risks reigniting conflicts between religions and communities," Moscovici told France Inter radio on Thursday. "I fear this law stigmatizes [Muslims], and fear it will be inapplicable.
[Link: www.time.com...]
449 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:45:39pm |
re: #420 cliffster
if you start letting women wear burqas all they want, next thing you know they'll be wanting to vote. and have equal pay, and shit like that.
Or worse, they will start to wear bikinis, and become Miss USA, and then Hezbollah will win!
//Sorry, channeling Debbie Schlussel
450 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:46:09pm |
re: #421 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. That's why I'm willing to cut Sarkozy (but not Wilders) some slack on a burqa ban. He really is facing a situation bad enough (there are parts of France where a woman is in danger if she is not veiled) that a outright ban may be the only way.
How many woman wear the full veil in France? We got stats? We got links?
451 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:46:11pm |
re: #444 reine.de.tout
It was my understanding that the employee provided documents indicating she was legal to hire, and that Whitman filled out the I-9 form like she was supposed to.
But also - there are problems with what are you exactly supposed to do, if you get a "no match" letter? I've gotten them. Here's a part of it:
It's illegal to hire someone who isn't legal to hire.
It's also possibly illegal to take action against someone you've hired who turns out to not be legal to hire. It's a mess. Sorta like the affirmative action reports we had to do. We were required by the government to report, by job group and class, the number of minorities and females in each. At the same time, we were prohibited by law from requiring employees to, you know, tell us their gender and race. We had to hope folks would give us that info voluntarily (and they did). But it was still weird.
Actually, we also had to report the same stats on applicants for jobs, as well as who we hired. But we could not require applicants to give us the info. And having the interviewer do a "visual inspection" of the person and report what race he/she THOUGHT the person was - well, that's a huge mistake, as well. It's just not at all accurate.
452 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:46:17pm |
re: #443 SanFranciscoZionist
That's one way it looks. The women I've seen on the street covered less and had peripheral vision.
But the issue is that I DON'T decide.
this is what it looks like from behind the burqa
453 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:47:02pm |
re: #428 jaunte
A liberal society has to accept that people are free to make choices that might not be in their best interest.
Sure. And we accept that all the time. The FLDS is a key example.
454 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:47:05pm |
re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist
I know that in France they've decided little boys can't wear yarmulkes to school. That's what I know about France.
yeeg. :(
455 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:47:29pm |
re: #447 WindUpBird
Oh I know I'm a pain sometimes! If anyone agrees with every position I take (especially on fashion!) that means they're probably one of three people I already know :D
You are not a pain. I do have to admit I listen for only about 1 and 1/2 seconds when I click on your music links. I do at least try.
456 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:47:33pm |
re: #428 jaunte
A liberal society has to accept that people are free to make choices that might not be in their best interest.
Have you SEEN the pants the kids today are wearing? :D
457 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:47:34pm |
re: #438 SanFranciscoZionist
But the numbers of women wearing them are very, very small. Remember, three hundred women in the Netherlands. How many in France?
More than in the Netherlands? Algerian Fundamentalism is a problem. Again, I can't speak for the French, but their domestic disturbances have been huge in the last few years. Does this directly connect to their banning of burqas? I have no idea. But I would assume that Islamic Fundamentalism has got their attention.
Just sayin;...
458 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:48:11pm |
re: #409 WindUpBird
As someone who has been known to wear a lot of clothes in crazy heat for the sake of fandom or general zaniness, you really get used to it if you're smart about conserving your energy
I mean, guys in Iraq are toting around rifles and gear and backpacks and wearing bulletproof vests and they can do it in that heat, some lady in a sheet, not too hard if you're prepared.
a thing that's difficult is emoting and being "on" and in character when you're wearing a lot of clothes in the heat. Drink lots of water in that case o_o
WUB - I would pass out, no ifs, ands or buts about it - if I had to wear lots of clothes in the heat. It's happened. I cannot take it.
459 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:48:23pm |
re: #437 WindUpBird
Hyperupscale :D
Is that where the shop is like made entirely out of underlit lucite and there's only three objects in the store with no price tags, and there's a Bentley Continental GT parked out front?
Basically, yes. I can't remember why the hell my scruffy husband and I were passing through, and from the look niqab woman gave me, she couldn't either. My shoes were from LL. BEAN.
460 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:48:35pm |
re: #439 WindUpBird
See, when you use words like "tainted" you're just not someone I can talk about this stuff with
How so? Don't you think people who associate with racists pick up a taint? I think it the same way for people who are Communists. Their extremely bad judgment in being a Communist taints any other argument they make.
461 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:48:39pm |
re: #446 Stanley Sea
Palin, on the other hand, takes me to a whole 'nother realm.
Yeah, that would be a different story. I don't think I'd ever be ready for a Palin presidency.
462 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:48:42pm |
re: #449 SanFranciscoZionist
Or worse, they will start to wear bikinis, and become Miss USA, and then Hezbollah will win!
//Sorry, channeling Debbie Schlussel
Well wait a minute. Women in bikinis.. I can get behind that.
463 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:50:04pm |
re: #455 prairiefire
You are not a pain. I do have to admit I listen for only about 1 and 1/2 seconds when I click on your music links. I do at least try.
You try, though! :D Just assume that any links I post are going to be heavy rock because that's really all I know anything about.
(though now I'm challenged to find something strange from my library you might actually like)
464 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:50:12pm |
re: #444 reine.de.tout
It was my understanding that the employee provided documents indicating she was legal to hire, and that Whitman filled out the I-9 form like she was supposed to.
But also - there are problems with what are you exactly supposed to do, if you get a "no match" letter? I've gotten them. Here's a part of it:
It's illegal to hire someone who isn't legal to hire.
It's also possibly illegal to take action against someone you've hired who turns out to not be legal to hire. It's a mess. Sorta like the affirmative action reports we had to do. We were required by the government to report, by job group and class, the number of minorities and females in each. At the same time, we were prohibited by law from requiring employees to, you know, tell us their gender and race. We had to hope folks would give us that info voluntarily (and they did). But it was still weird.
Just a few things the critics might miss. :)
465 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:51:38pm |
re: #458 reine.de.tout
WUB - I would pass out, no ifs, ands or buts about it - if I had to wear lots of clothes in the heat. It's happened. I cannot take it.
fair enough!
I'm someone who doesn't do well in the heat, though to my knowledge I've never passed out in the heat. I think it's about motivation, I can power through it if I really want to, much the way I'll stand out in the rain like a drowned rat for a festival show I really want to see.
466 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:52:38pm |
re: #440 jaunte
About 2,000, I think.
There are nearly 63 million people in France.
How much of a social issue can this actually be?
467 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:52:39pm |
re: #460 Dark_Falcon
How so? Don't you think people who associate with racists pick up a taint? I think it the same way for people who are Communists. Their extremely bad judgment in being a Communist taints any other argument they make.
I TOTALLY do not agree with you equating communists with racists, you're basically right there with McCarthy, man
468 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:52:55pm |
re: #463 WindUpBird
Thinking...when my grandparents died in 1985, there was a ballad put out by a hard rock band, something about dreams, not their usual stuff. Any ideas? I can't remember. I think the guy wrote it for his young son. My grandparents were killed in a car crash by a drunk driver. The song meant a lot to me.
469 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:53:25pm |
re: #458 reine.de.tout
WUB - I would pass out, no ifs, ands or buts about it - if I had to wear lots of clothes in the heat. It's happened. I cannot take it.
I know what you mean.
470 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:54:24pm |
re: #468 prairiefire
Thinking...when my grandparents died in 1985, there was a ballad put out by a hard rock band, something about dreams, not their usual stuff. Any ideas? I can't remember. I think the guy wrote it for his young son. My grandparents were killed in a car crash by a drunk driver. The song meant a lot to me.
could have been:
471 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:54:32pm |
re: #444 reine.de.tout
It was my understanding that the employee provided documents indicating she was legal to hire, and that Whitman filled out the I-9 form like she was supposed to.
But also - there are problems with what are you exactly supposed to do, if you get a "no match" letter? I've gotten them. Here's a part of it:
It's illegal to hire someone who isn't legal to hire.
It's also possibly illegal to take action against someone you've hired who turns out to not be legal to hire. It's a mess. Sorta like the affirmative action reports we had to do. We were required by the government to report, by job group and class, the number of minorities and females in each. At the same time, we were prohibited by law from requiring employees to, you know, tell us their gender and race. We had to hope folks would give us that info voluntarily (and they did). But it was still weird.
All this is true, but I strongly suspect that Whitman knew the score. I need to read more of what's coming out on it, although since my vote was decided long before this, it's maybe not so important.
472 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:55:04pm |
re: #407 publicityStunted
Perhaps they'd reconsider the ban if one of these came in Dutch flag colors? :P
"This beautiful burqa is made in Herat, Afghanistan and it is worn by
the elite class of women in Western Afghanistan. It comes with more
embroidery."
I'm sorry... but it just strikes a nerve that any society would expect the women - their wives, daughters, sisters - to be so covered in any public setting.
It de-humanizes the woman. They are not to be recognized for the person they are, they are not worthy of being recognized for who they are as an individual.
That is just wrong.
473 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:55:05pm |
re: #470 WindUpBird
that's not really a ballad though, let me think
474 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:55:24pm |
re: #466 SanFranciscoZionist
Politics: Sarkozy rallying the nativist troops.
So why is Sarkozy so hot for it? According to some observers, the new law is part of his reaction to the disastrous regional elections last month — where conservatives trounced in what many experts say was a proxy punishment of Sarkozy himself. The reason: traditional rightists who elected him president in 2007 are disgusted with the ideological incoherency of a leadership that often borrows ideas — and cabinet members — from the center and left. Since the March massacre, Sarkozy has hammered at themes dear to conservative voters, like reducing government spending, shrinking the number of state employees and continuing with reform. Just this week, Sarkozy staged a high-profile visit to a suburban Paris housing project that had recently been rocked by violent unrest to deliver a law-and-order promise to "harass delinquents."Some pundits charge that Sarkozy's call for the introduction of an anti-burqa law is another gesture to alienated conservative voters and their concerns — this time over immigration and the increasingly multi-cultural nature of French society.
[Link: www.time.com...]
475 | austin_blue Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:56:05pm |
You know what I liked about tonight? Great discussions. Good give and take. Respect. No bomb throwing. An admission that politics and policy have nuance.
Real-world conversation and not an echo chamber.
God Bless Us Every One.
(And this from a Deist!)
And goodnight, my dear Lizards.
476 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:56:27pm |
re: #474 jaunte
I think Time meant to say 'where conservative were trounced."
477 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:56:41pm |
re: #470 WindUpBird
No, this band was more hard core metal.
478 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:56:47pm |
Oops. I updinged something I didn't want to upding and now I feel if I reverse it it would be rude.
479 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:57:02pm |
re: #452 WindUpBird
this is what it looks like from behind the burqa
You know the thing that creeps me out most about burqas? It's not the anonymity or the limited visual range, though those are bad. It was when I realized that the ones most Afghan women wear are polyester.
In that climate. AGH.
480 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:57:29pm |
re: #478 Gus 802
Oops. I updinged something I didn't want to upding and now I feel if I reverse it it would be rude.
Now we all want to know.
481 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:58:16pm |
re: #480 jaunte
Now we all want to know.
Oh. #460. I reversed it. Didn't really want to down ding either. I think my neck pain sometimes makes me do weird things.
482 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:58:50pm |
re: #477 prairiefire
No, this band was more hard core metal.
I'm racking my brain for ballads that were from bands in the 80s that fit the bill, tough one!
483 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:59:00pm |
re: #467 WindUpBird
I TOTALLY do not agree with you equating communists with racists, you're basically right there with McCarthy, man
Communists tend to have target lists of people and jobs they hate (and have in the past tried to kill). Credit Managers like my grandfather, Corporate Managers like my father and Salesmen like me tend to be on Communist's proscription lists. They also seek to take away they freedom I hold dear. Such people are indeed tainted to me.
484 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:59:39pm |
re: #454 WindUpBird
yeeg. :(
So it's hard for me to accept that this is about what they say it's about.
485 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 8:59:59pm |
re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist
All this is true, but I strongly suspect that Whitman knew the score. I need to read more of what's coming out on it, although since my vote was decided long before this, it's maybe not so important.
I think it's important, whether or not your vote was decided.
Someone upthread said she should have/could have used this as a springboard for an immigration reform discussion. As far as I know, the last crew that put a roof on my house was illegal. I have no clue. And I don't care. They were the only folks I could find who were available.
Before the Great Flouncing, I mentioned once that there are indeed jobs that citizens won't do, and had a buncha folks upset with me. But it's true.
486 | cliffster Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:00:25pm |
my bed beckons. good night.. peace and purpose to all yall
487 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:00:43pm |
re: #481 Gus 802
Oh. #460. I reversed it. Didn't really want to down ding either. I think my neck pain sometimes makes me do weird things.
That was my comment. Do explain, please. I promise I will not be hostile.
488 | prairiefire Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:00:45pm |
re: #473 WindUpBird
that's not really a ballad though, let me think
Darn, just checked Metalica on Wiki and did not see it. Oh, well, we will think on it. I think it was in the top one hundred songs and I'm pretty certain it was before the end of the year, 1985.
Night, lizards.
489 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:03:31pm |
re: #487 Dark_Falcon
That was my comment. Do explain, please. I promise I will not be hostile.
Oh. It wasn't much really. Just wanted to say that we should not confuse academic Communists with historical ones. Many will find Marxist theory appealing but that doesn't mean they endorse the actions of former Communist dictators. There are levels of intensity with each individual. And like you mentioned before about them having lists of people and things they hate -- that's really a universal human behavior.
490 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:03:46pm |
re: #464 Rightwingconspirator
Just a few things the critics might miss. :)
Critics like...Meg Whitman?
//Sorry, couldn't resist.
491 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:04:30pm |
re: #483 Dark_Falcon
Communists tend to have target lists of people and jobs they hate (and have in the past tried to kill). Credit Managers like my grandfather, Corporate Managers like my father and Salesmen like me tend to be on Communist's proscription lists. They also seek to take away they freedom I hold dear. Such people are indeed tainted to me.
Well, any government if you let it get out of control is going to start taking away freedoms and restricting peoples' commerce. I don't agree with the system of government either, but I'm also not going to reject the thoughts of anyone who happens to have some assoccciation with it, that seems very thought-policey to me.
492 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:04:57pm |
re: #489 Gus 802
Oh. It wasn't much really. Just wanted to say that we should not confuse academic Communists with historical ones. Many will find Marxist theory appealing but that doesn't mean they endorse the actions of former Communist dictators. There are levels of intensity with each individual. And like you mentioned before about them having lists of people and things they hate -- that's really a universal human behavior.
Exxxactly
493 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:05:14pm |
re: #487 Dark_Falcon
That was my comment. Do explain, please. I promise I will not be hostile.
And having said what I just said I don't really find groups like International A.N.S.W.E.R. appealing at all. Usually I can only take about 120 seconds of their rhetoric.
494 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:05:19pm |
re: #489 Gus 802
Oh. It wasn't much really. Just wanted to say that we should not confuse academic Communists with historical ones. Many will find Marxist theory appealing but that doesn't mean they endorse the actions of former Communist dictators. There are levels of intensity with each individual. And like you mentioned before about them having lists of people and things they hate -- that's really a universal human behavior.
Good point.
495 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:06:04pm |
re: #467 WindUpBird
I TOTALLY do not agree with you equating communists with racists, you're basically right there with McCarthy, man
I'd also point out that Engels was a theorist. He and Marx were pretty sincere about what they believed, and were responding to real and horrific abuses in the world around them. I think it's a long shot to taint them with what happened subsequently in Communist nations. Man died in 1895.
496 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:06:09pm |
re: #485 reine.de.tout
I think it's important, whether or not your vote was decided.
Someone upthread said she should have/could have used this as a springboard for an immigration reform discussion. As far as I know, the last crew that put a roof on my house was illegal. I have no clue. And I don't care. They were the only folks I could find who were available.
Before the Great Flouncing, I mentioned once that there are indeed jobs that citizens won't do, and had a buncha folks upset with me. But it's true.
Without illegal labor in America, our country collapses, our food supply implodes.
So I'm not really concerned when someone uses illegal labor. Because all of us do, whether we know it or not
497 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:06:51pm |
re: #495 SanFranciscoZionist
I'd also point out that Engels was a theorist. He and Marx were pretty sincere about what they believed, and were responding to real and horrific abuses in the world around them. I think it's a long shot to taint them with what happened subsequently in Communist nations. Man died in 1895.
I'm just boldfacing all this :D
498 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:07:58pm |
re: #496 WindUpBird
Without illegal labor in America, our country collapses, our food supply implodes.
So I'm not really concerned when someone uses illegal labor. Because all of us do, whether we know it or not
There's a survivalist dude somewhere wearing homespun and growing his own food. He smells and looks funky, but he's not using illegal labor.
499 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:08:52pm |
re: #491 WindUpBird
Well, any government if you let it get out of control is going to start taking away freedoms and restricting peoples' commerce. I don't agree with the system of government either, but I'm also not going to reject the thoughts of anyone who happens to have some assoccciation with it, that seems very thought-policey to me.
I'd argue its only thought-police if you try to force others to disregard that person. I think some of it is the circles we move in. The people I talk about political matters to in real life are almost all right-of-center. Engels is not someone one of us would use to ground an argument.
500 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:09:37pm |
re: #498 EmmmieG
There's a survivalist dude somewhere wearing homespun and growing his own food. He smells and looks funky, but he's not using illegal labor.
Well, God bless him, and I hope his soybeans do well this year, but I'm probably not going to join him.
501 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:10:56pm |
re: #500 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, God bless him, and I hope his soybeans do well this year, but I'm probably not going to join him.
Actually, he's looking for a good woman to card his wool while wearing an AK-47 on her back just in case the black helicopters attack. How good would you be at decorating a bunker?
502 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:11:09pm |
re: #493 Gus 802
And having said what I just said I don't really find groups like International A.N.S.W.E.R. appealing at all. Usually I can only take about 120 seconds of their rhetoric.
OK. I can both understand and respect that.
503 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:11:38pm |
Something to remember about Engels: he worked in manufacturing in London at a time when child labor was ubiquitous, worker's rights nonexistent, and one in 50 buildings in London was a brothel. I don't know WHAT I might have written under such circumstances.
504 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:12:54pm |
re: #501 EmmmieG
Actually, he's looking for a good woman to card his wool while wearing an AK-47 on her back just in case the black helicopters attack. How good would you be at decorating a bunker?
I don't know, but I can work a drop spindle pretty good. (SCA). Never fired an AK. I'm OK with an old-fashioned 38 revolver.
505 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:12:57pm |
re: #498 EmmmieG
There's a survivalist dude somewhere wearing homespun and growing his own food. He smells and looks funky, but he's not using illegal labor.
Okay, there's that guy!
I'm pretty sure the Jackson Whites are safe too
506 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:13:28pm |
re: #504 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know, but I can work a drop spindle pretty good. (SCA). Never fired an AK. I'm OK with an old-fashioned 38 revolver.
AKs are really easy to fire, I was not a good shot with one, but I was a better shot than anything else I've fired
507 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:13:55pm |
re: #503 SanFranciscoZionist
Something to remember about Engels: he worked in manufacturing in London at a time when child labor was ubiquitous, worker's rights nonexistent, and one in 50 buildings in London was a brothel. I don't know WHAT I might have written under such circumstances.
I probably would have just committed arson until they killed me in the streets
508 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:14:18pm |
re: #499 Dark_Falcon
I'd argue its only thought-police if you try to force others to disregard that person. I think some of it is the circles we move in. The people I talk about political matters to in real life are almost all right-of-center. Engels is not someone one of us would use to ground an argument.
See SFZ's #503
509 | jaunte Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:14:24pm |
re: #503 SanFranciscoZionist
Something to remember about Engels: he worked in manufacturing in London at a time when child labor was ubiquitous, worker's rights nonexistent, and one in 50 buildings in London was a brothel. I don't know WHAT I might have written under such circumstances.
That might tend to influence your point of view.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
510 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:14:50pm |
re: #504 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know, but I can work a drop spindle pretty good. (SCA). Never fired an AK. I'm OK with an old-fashioned 38 revolver.
My father swore he once saw a family at a gun show where the entire family, including the little girl, was dressed in camo with a pistol on her hip and a rifle on her back.
Then, my father exaggerates, so it might have just been a pistol.
But these people are out there.
Personally? Any man who asks me to live without a dishwasher and a washing machine would be laughed out of the room.
511 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:15:26pm |
re: #485 reine.de.tout
I think it's important, whether or not your vote was decided.
Someone upthread said she should have/could have used this as a springboard for an immigration reform discussion. As far as I know, the last crew that put a roof on my house was illegal. I have no clue. And I don't care. They were the only folks I could find who were available.
Before the Great Flouncing, I mentioned once that there are indeed jobs that citizens won't do, and had a buncha folks upset with me. But it's true.
There are definitely jobs in this country that legal residents do not want to do, for the wages that are being paid. I have recently hired a caregiver for an elder, and that is one of those jobs. I have asked weekly for 4 weeks about the immigration status of this hire. The agency and the hire have all assured me that there is a green card, and valid social security number in place. How am I ( and why am I) required to be the person who verifies this?
512 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:16:11pm |
re: #510 EmmmieG
My father swore he once saw a family at a gun show where the entire family, including the little girl, was dressed in camo with a pistol on her hip and a rifle on her back.
Then, my father exaggerates, so it might have just been a pistol.
But these people are out there.
Personally? Any man who asks me to live without a dishwasher and a washing machine would be laughed out of the room.
I did without a dishwasher for many years in my various crappy apartments, but we still had a washing machine! (coinop, but still)
513 | darthstar Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:16:33pm |
re: #122 negativ
A Twitter account following 713,235 users would be as near to unusable as makes no odds.
I'm guessing that's a remnant of one of the recent twitter bugs where one could send a tweet and the recipient automatically became a follower.
514 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:17:35pm |
re: #501 EmmmieG
Actually, he's looking for a good woman to card his wool while wearing an AK-47 on her back just in case the black helicopters attack. How good would you be at decorating a bunker?
LOL!
He lives a couple of blocks from here!
I see him every day!
515 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:18:10pm |
re: #511 Floral Giraffe
There are definitely jobs in this country that legal residents do not want to do, for the wages that are being paid. I have recently hired a caregiver for an elder, and that is one of those jobs. I have asked weekly for 4 weeks about the immigration status of this hire. The agency and the hire have all assured me that there is a green card, and valid social security number in place. How am I ( and why am I) required to be the person who verifies this?
My former job (caregiver health care type job) just canned a bunch of illegals from the company, which was pretty great because in more than one case, there were houses where the only full time, competent workers were the illegals. So now there are houses that are in danger of being shut down because the corporate culture of the house imploded. YEAH!
516 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:18:25pm |
re: #510 EmmmieG
My father swore he once saw a family at a gun show where the entire family, including the little girl, was dressed in camo with a pistol on her hip and a rifle on her back.
Then, my father exaggerates, so it might have just been a pistol.
But these people are out there.
Personally? Any man who asks me to live without a dishwasher and a washing machine would be laughed out of the room.
I could do without, but holding down a full-time job and doing without is another matter altogether.
And me man may end up an at-home dad, but a house-husband he is not.
517 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:18:28pm |
re: #512 WindUpBird
I did without a dishwasher for many years in my various crappy apartments, but we still had a washing machine! (coinop, but still)
I didn't have much problem doing dishes for me. When we had a power outage, doing dishes for seven people left me pretty cranky.
Did you know the inventor of the dishwasher was a woman? Not surprising, except that she didn't do dishes. She invented the dishwasher because her servants kept breaking her expensive antique china.
518 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:19:39pm |
re: #506 WindUpBird
AKs are really easy to fire, I was not a good shot with one, but I was a better shot than anything else I've fired
Gen. Kalashnikov designed his rifle with just such a purpose in mind: Something cheap and easy to build, but that could be used effectively with a minimum of skills and training. A very different design philosophy than that of Eugene Stoner (the designer of the AR-15). Stoner actually never liked the .223 cartridge, much preferring the .30-06 and .308 caliber rounds (he had used the M1 Garand while in the Army). Thus his weapons took much more skill to use and maintain, but are more accurate.
519 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:19:56pm |
re: #516 SanFranciscoZionist
I could do without, but holding down a full-time job and doing without is another matter altogether.
And me man may end up an at-home dad, but a house-husband he is not.
Viva nerds! My brother is a househusband :D
520 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:20:38pm |
re: #518 Dark_Falcon
note I will never question your knowledge of military hardware ;-)
521 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:20:44pm |
re: #512 WindUpBird
I did without a dishwasher for many years in my various crappy apartments, but we still had a washing machine! (coinop, but still)
The dishwasher keeps my husband alive.
When we first moved in together, I made him dinner. Afterward, he thanked me for dinner, and walked into the living room and put his feet up to watch TV while I started on the dishes.
I almost killed him.
The dishwasher prevents this from escalating.
They say the sons of lesbian mothers don't learn traditional gender roles, by the way. This is not the hell true.
522 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:22:08pm |
re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist
You tell the best stories, and your life is so different than mine.
I enjoy your posts, very much!
523 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:22:53pm |
re: #493 Gus 802
And having said what I just said I don't really find groups like International A.N.S.W.E.R. appealing at all. Usually I can only take about 120 seconds of their rhetoric.
that would be about 115 seconds longer than me ;)
524 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:23:05pm |
re: #522 Floral Giraffe
You tell the best stories, and your life is so different than mine.
I enjoy your posts, very much!
Why, thank you!
525 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:23:19pm |
re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist
The dishwasher keeps my husband alive.
When we first moved in together, I made him dinner. Afterward, he thanked me for dinner, and walked into the living room and put his feet up to watch TV while I started on the dishes.
I almost killed him.
The dishwasher prevents this from escalating.
They say the sons of lesbian mothers don't learn traditional gender roles, by the way. This is not the hell true.
I would think it would be the reverse. My husband doesn't do laundry because his mother did it.
Wouldn't his mothers have been twice as bad with two of them?
(Trust me, FIL did not do dishes or laundry until the divorce--which was not the reason for the divorce.)
526 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:23:51pm |
re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist
The dishwasher keeps my husband alive.
When we first moved in together, I made him dinner. Afterward, he thanked me for dinner, and walked into the living room and put his feet up to watch TV while I started on the dishes.
I almost killed him.
The dishwasher prevents this from escalating.
They say the sons of lesbian mothers don't learn traditional gender roles, by the way. This is not the hell true.
Ayiee :D
527 | calochortus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:24:11pm |
re: #504 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know, but I can work a drop spindle pretty good. (SCA). Never fired an AK. I'm OK with an old-fashioned 38 revolver.
Just had to jump in with the comment that I spin, too, though usually on a wheel rather than a spindle. Never shot any sort of gun, but I've done a little archery. Keep the past alive...
528 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:24:18pm |
re: #525 EmmmieG
I would think it would be the reverse. My husband doesn't do laundry because his mother did it.
Wouldn't his mothers have been twice as bad with two of them?
(Trust me, FIL did not do dishes or laundry until the divorce--which was not the reason for the divorce.)
Basically. Two moms...and MIL2, the lady we just lost, was one hell of a cook and housekeeper.
529 | darthstar Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:25:02pm |
re: #525 EmmmieG
I would think it would be the reverse. My husband doesn't do laundry because his mother did it.
Wouldn't his mothers have been twice as bad with two of them?
(Trust me, FIL did not do dishes or laundry until the divorce--which was not the reason for the divorce.)
My mom did my laundry growing up. I do laundry for both my wife and myself, except when she does it. And I do almost all of the ironing (I like to sing "I'll iron for you..." to my wife when I'm ironing her skirts or blouses in the morning)
530 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:25:30pm |
re: #528 SanFranciscoZionist
Basically. Two moms...and MIL2, the lady we just lost, was one hell of a cook and housekeeper.
One of my friends in college somehow let herself be talked into doing boyfriend's laundry. He brought her some hangers, too.
"My mother hangs up my t-shirts."
She handed them back.
"That's nice."
(I can't figure out why she was doing the laundry of a guy she was just barely dating.)
533 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:26:42pm |
re: #532 Gus 802
aahahahaha
535 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:28:43pm |
re: #529 darthstar
My mom did my laundry growing up. I do laundry for both my wife and myself, except when she does it. And I do almost all of the ironing (I like to sing "I'll iron for you..." to my wife when I'm ironing her skirts or blouses in the morning)
In defense of my husband, while he has never done laundry, he has done stuff involving the plumbing that I couldn't even watch.
536 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:29:20pm |
re: #528 SanFranciscoZionist
Basically. Two moms...and MIL2, the lady we just lost, was one hell of a cook and housekeeper.
At one point when we were first dating, my husband was living with his moms, his sister, and her little girl who was three. (She had just left her husband and moved home.)
His niece called him 'the man'.
"Is the man coming with us?"
"Let me show the man what I drew!"
They tried to get her to switch to "Uncle", or his first name, or, really, anything, but no, he was "the man".
She's thirteen now, and has learned his name, luckily.
537 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:30:15pm |
I hated washing dishes after I ate. That was an outgrowth of having to wash them after we'd have dinner around 10:30 PM Argentinian style and then having to wash the dishes after being yelled at by my mom. By then it was already late and I was half asleep.
Later I'd be around some people that would go straight to the sink and/or dishwasher but only that it almost seemed like they were detailing, make that sterilizing the kitchen so that everything was super dooper clean and ready for surgery.
538 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:31:28pm |
re: #532 Gus 802
I hadn't realized that Frida Kahlo carried on with Trotsky while his wife was living with them.
If I had been Mrs. Trotsky I might have ice-picked her.
539 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:31:31pm |
re: #536 SanFranciscoZionist
ahahaha The Man
Now I'm imagining your neice showing a guy who looks like a secret service agent what she drew
540 | Jadespring Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:33:48pm |
re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist
The dishwasher keeps my husband alive.
When we first moved in together, I made him dinner. Afterward, he thanked me for dinner, and walked into the living room and put his feet up to watch TV while I started on the dishes.
I almost killed him.
The dishwasher prevents this from escalating.
They say the sons of lesbian mothers don't learn traditional gender roles, by the way. This is not the hell true.
Hee. :)
I grew up thinking that it was more the mans job to do dishes. Actually even today if I think stereotypical traditional gender roles dishes gets slotted in the male list. Mom cooked. Dad cleaned up. This seemed to me a perfectly fair way of breaking up the work. It sure got me in trouble though when I when at around age 7 I went to friends house for dinner.
I couldn't understand why her mom after doing all the work cooking had to clean up too while the friends dad just parked himself on the couch and watched tv. So of course I just had to ask about it. The dad actually told me that it was a woman's job to do dishes. I remember being quite shocked and though I can't remember exactly what I said but it did have something to do with what was "fair" and something about how men sure did do dishes. Then he said something about men who did weren't really men or something which in my mine equaled him saying my dad wasn't a man. I think I told him he was stupid and really mean.
Anyways that was the last time I ever went to her house for dinner. :)
541 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:37:16pm |
re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist
The dishwasher keeps my husband alive.
When we first moved in together, I made him dinner. Afterward, he thanked me for dinner, and walked into the living room and put his feet up to watch TV while I started on the dishes.
I almost killed him.
The dishwasher prevents this from escalating.
They say the sons of lesbian mothers don't learn traditional gender roles, by the way. This is not the hell true.
My wife and I went for several years without one when the original broke down in her house ( I had an apartment when we first met and I moved in after 6 months). I proudly took that over since I couldn't see the reason to spend the money for a new one.
She was amazed - me, it was a way for us to share time and talk after dinner ;)
542 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:38:37pm |
re: #540 Jadespring
I think the tradition was usually whoever doesn't make the meal washes the dishes. Sometimes it's shared. I haven't heard anyone talk about cooking or washing dishes as being "women's work" in ages.
544 | Jadespring Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:42:34pm |
re: #542 Gus 802
I think the tradition was usually whoever doesn't make the meal washes the dishes. Sometimes it's shared. I haven't heard anyone talk about cooking or washing dishes as being "women's work" in ages.
This was in the late seventies. After that happened I actually asked a whole bunch of my classmates (I've always had a curious mind) about who did dishes in their house and found out that 'dad' doing dishes wasn't as normal as a I thought it was.
545 | CarleeCork Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:42:38pm |
re: #540 Jadespring
I have never understood why women are now expected to go to work, have the babies, take care of the babies, cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, do the marketing.......blah, blah, blah.
Why should women have to do three jobs and earn less money???
546 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:43:20pm |
re: #529 darthstar
My mom did my laundry growing up. I do laundry for both my wife and myself, except when she does it. And I do almost all of the ironing (I like to sing "I'll iron for you..." to my wife when I'm ironing her skirts or blouses in the morning)
lol, I do all the ironing in our household - the USN did teach me a few good skills ;)
Between that, and driving - Dearest will say upon occasion that she would have married sooner if she knew the man would take care of those things in her life ;)
And rodent control....
I'll tell everyone the time I live trapped a raccoon that was getting into our basement and the cat door into the house - and her reaction - another time... ;)
547 | sagehen Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:44:00pm |
re: #513 darthstar
I'm guessing that's a remnant of one of the recent twitter bugs where one could send a tweet and the recipient automatically became a follower.
Or they're doing some kind of statistical analysis of the people who follow their feed...
548 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:45:04pm |
re: #536 SanFranciscoZionist
hahahahaha - "The Man!
Priceless!
549 | avanti Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:46:36pm |
Great graphic of just how conservative the GOP is this cycle, just mouse over the chart at the link.
550 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:46:45pm |
re: #544 Jadespring
This was in the late seventies. After that happened I actually asked a whole bunch of my classmates (I've always had a curious mind) about who did dishes in their house and found out that 'dad' doing dishes wasn't as normal as a I thought it was.
Late 70s would be about right. When I think back about the 70s it reminds me of how much we've changed as a society. I imagine there are a lot of people around that still hold to old ways of thinking.
551 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:47:42pm |
I just looked at the clock, and I am trying to get over a cold, so I will "see" you all later.
Also, CarleeCork--you are right, having the babies is work. In my last pregnancy, I would fall asleep on the couch in the mornings, and I could hear the kids tiptoeing around me.
"Don't wake her up and we won't have to do school."
That woke me up, every time.
552 | Ericus58 Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:48:50pm |
Good Night all. I'll catch some of you in about 7 hours ;)
553 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:49:32pm |
I need to head to bed. Sorry about the early departures, but I have to get up at 6:05 these days. Have a great day tomorrow!
554 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:51:20pm |
re: #553 Dark_Falcon
I need to head to bed. Sorry about the early departures, but I have to get up at 6:05 these days. Have a great day tomorrow!
Sell it all, so you can go home early!
Happy Friday, tomorrow!
556 | Jadespring Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:53:40pm |
re: #545 CarleeCork
I have never understood why women are now expected to go to work, have the babies, take care of the babies, cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, do the marketing...blah, blah, blah.
Why should women have to do three jobs and earn less money???
I dunno. That idea has changed quite a bit though. I don't really know people like that anymore and the ones similar to that sort of attitude are all older. In my peer group most of the work is shared or traditional roles reversed. Several of my guy friends have ended up staying at home with the kids while the wife works and they're all happy with that arrangement. Whereas I am living what some people would say is more 'traditional' arrangement, husband works outside the home and I work in the home. If we have kids I'll stay home with them. It's not a big deal though because it's not expected or presumed that's my role. It's a choice. That's the difference for me.
I talked with my Grandma about this once. She talked about how when she was my age she had way less choices and the social gender role pressures. She was a rebel at the time because she actually went out and worked for a bit and refused to get married right away. She ended up getting married at 27 which at the time was considered to be old, old, old. She said she'd already been written off as a spinster by then. :)
558 | Jadespring Thu, Sep 30, 2010 9:59:06pm |
re: #557 Gus 802
I see Drudge is riling up the whites tonight.
What am I supposed to be upset about now?
559 | sagehen Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:00:27pm |
re: #542 Gus 802
I think the tradition was usually whoever doesn't make the meal washes the dishes. Sometimes it's shared. I haven't heard anyone talk about cooking or washing dishes as being "women's work" in ages.
At my brother's house the kids (teens) do all the cooking -- one of them really enjoys getting creative about it, the other two are just trying to get out of ever having to vacuum or do laundry or pick up dogshit in the yard.
560 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:00:53pm |
re: #558 Jadespring
What am I supposed to be upset about now?
Let's see. On the side he has:
HIP HOP BARACK!
VIDEO: 'IT TOOK TIME TO FREE THE SLAVES'...
Democratic National Committee enlisted artist B.o.B to perform...
Lyrics: 'I'm Dat Ni**a'...
And the headline reads:
PUMP UP THE BASE: 'IT TOOK TIME TO FREE THE SLAVES'
Under an image of Obama.
561 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:02:39pm |
re: #560 Gus 802
Let's see. On the side he has:
And the headline reads:
Under an image of Obama.
Wow...
562 | Jadespring Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:04:34pm |
re: #560 Gus 802
Let's see. On the side he has:
And the headline reads:
Under an image of Obama.
Oh jimminy crickets on a tea cracker, I'm so mad now I could spit bricks at the fox in the hen house!!!
564 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:09:07pm |
re: #529 darthstar
My mom did my laundry growing up. I do laundry for both my wife and myself, except when she does it. And I do almost all of the ironing (I like to sing "I'll iron for you..." to my wife when I'm ironing her skirts or blouses in the morning)
I have two laundry baskets.
One for regular stuff, towels, etc., because IF the Roi does laundry, which he will do, he WILL wash everything on HOT, and he WILL dry everything on the highest possible heat setting. I had full-length leggings for an adult that turned into capri-length leggings for a 3-year old. I got a second basket he is NOT allowed to touch.
565 | reine.de.tout Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:11:37pm |
re: #556 Jadespring
I dunno. That idea has changed quite a bit though. I don't really know people like that anymore and the ones similar to that sort of attitude are all older. In my peer group most of the work is shared or traditional roles reversed. Several of my guy friends have ended up staying at home with the kids while the wife works and they're all happy with that arrangement. Whereas I am living what some people would say is more 'traditional' arrangement, husband works outside the home and I work in the home. If we have kids I'll stay home with them. It's not a big deal though because it's not expected or presumed that's my role. It's a choice. That's the difference for me.
I talked with my Grandma about this once. She talked about how when she was my age she had way less choices and the social gender role pressures. She was a rebel at the time because she actually went out and worked for a bit and refused to get married right away. She ended up getting married at 27 which at the time was considered to be old, old, old. She said she'd already been written off as a spinster by then. :)
I worked while my daughter was growing up. I loved the work, loved my job, glad I had the choice, but let me tell you - when I retired, things got easier for BOTH of us, not just for me. Thinking back, I cannot figure out how I managed to do it. There's no way I could do it now.
566 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:11:48pm |
re: #562 Jadespring
Oh jimminy crickets on a tea cracker, I'm so mad now I could spit bricks at the fox in the hen house!!!
All it says is that B.o.B performed at the event. Doesn't report what song he sang. Drudge just went ahead and linked to the lyrics of a rap song he wrote but doesn't make any reference to the event.
567 | Jadespring Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:13:16pm |
re: #566 Gus 802
All it says is that B.o.B performed at the event. Doesn't report what song he sang. Drudge just went ahead and linked to the lyrics of a rap song he wrote but doesn't make any reference to the event.
Yeah it's pretty slimy. It will work though. That's what is sad.
568 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:14:08pm |
re: #567 Jadespring
Yeah it's pretty slimy. It will work though. That's what is sad.
Yeah. Wingnuts will believe anything. Plus that anything leads to massive amounts of groupthink. They take the lead from Drudge since he sets the tone.
570 | SpaceJesus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:21:45pm |
well, charles isn't coming back. who is the new leader?
573 | Jadespring Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:26:57pm |
re: #565 reine.de.tout
I worked while my daughter was growing up. I loved the work, loved my job, glad I had the choice, but let me tell you - when I retired, things got easier for BOTH of us, not just for me. Thinking back, I cannot figure out how I managed to do it. There's no way I could do it now.
I could do it (work, keep house, raise kids) and could manage it but frankly I don't want to because I know how much work it is. I'm grateful that if we do have kids that we'll be in a position where staying home would be feasible. That's enough work on it's own and even though I could do both I'd rather not unless it's necessary. I'm older though and spent quite a bit of time out being independent and working at jobs that I mostly liked so I know what it is that I'm choosing. I still work I'm just lucky because I have more flexibility to do the things I've always wanted to do. I like growing and working with food, I like building things, I like making art, I like do renovation work and I really don't mind doing a lot of domestic type things. I find it quite satisfying. I also really like doing volunteer work and since getting married I've been able to do a lot more.
575 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:29:03pm |
You ever notice how some people were always saying Phoenix is the kidnapping Capitol of the world but you don't ever hear or read about any kidnappings? So I looked in the news and all I found was two kidnappings. One in Oklahoma and another in Alabama and both of the perps are white guys.
[Link: www.news9.com...]
[Link: blog.al.com...]
576 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:29:52pm |
577 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:30:27pm |
Slaps Gus gently, but firmly to wake him up.
579 | Jadespring Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:32:27pm |
Bleh I should go to bed. I have a long day tomorrow. Going to spend the afternoon and likely the evening at a big auction. Going to fight for the snowblower that on the block. Woo!
580 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:33:26pm |
re: #578 Gus 802
Gets out the paddle...
LOL!
581 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:33:56pm |
So... what are is everyone doing on Friday?
582 | Jadespring Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:34:24pm |
re: #581 Walter L. Newton
So... what are is everyone doing on Friday?
Going to an auction and covering my tomatoes with sheets.
583 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:35:44pm |
584 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:38:02pm |
Good night, all.
Be well.
585 | Jadespring Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:38:55pm |
re: #583 Walter L. Newton
What kind of auction?
It's a general auction. Household goods, antiques, tools, some restaurant equipment. Little bit of everything.
586 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:39:11pm |
re: #575 Gus 802
You ever notice how some people were always saying Phoenix is the kidnapping Capitol of the world but you don't ever hear or read about any kidnappings? So I looked in the news and all I found was two kidnappings. One in Oklahoma and another in Alabama and both of the perps are white guys.
[Link: www.news9.com...]
[Link: blog.al.com...]
All of the Phoenix refs I saw went back to one piece in Latina Magazine (not normally cited by most of the folks who were citing this), and regardless of how real their stats were--a solid source was never pinned down that I saw--they made it clear that the kidnappings involved were internal to the underworld there.
In other words, people without gang affiliations were not being grabbed off the streets by criminals who entered the country illegally and mysteriously could not be arrested for their illegal activities, no matter how hard the folks citing that article tried.
It was a bullcrap argument.
587 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:39:53pm |
re: #581 Walter L. Newton
So... what are is everyone doing on Friday?
Spelling test. Mass. Teacher meeting. Taking husband pants shopping.
588 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:40:38pm |
Carter, in his foolish hand-wringing naivete, let Iran go deep fundamentalist, and Obama, in his foolish naivete, is about to let it go nuclear.
Good night all.
589 | Gus Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:42:26pm |
re: #588 Ojoe
Carter, in his foolish hand-wringing naivete, let Iran go deep fundamentalist, and Obama, in his foolish naivete, is about to let it go nuclear.
Good night all.
So Obama became president right after Carter?
/
590 | shutdown Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:44:13pm |
re: #587 SanFranciscoZionist
Spelling test. Mass. Teacher meeting. Taking husband pants shopping.
Oh. Has be been wearing a kilt to date??
592 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:47:03pm |
re: #587 SanFranciscoZionist
Spelling test. Mass. Teacher meeting. Taking husband pants shopping.
Why don't you take all of him with you instead of just the pants?
593 | Jadespring Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:47:28pm |
re: #589 Gus 802
So Obama became president right after Carter?
/
That comment seemed to come of out nowhere.
I even blinked a few times, "Say what?"
594 | Jadespring Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:49:54pm |
Well I'm off too. Going to watch the last bit of Bones and hit the sheets.
595 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:50:30pm |
re: #590 imp_62
Oh. Has be been wearing a kilt to date??
One of our friends is getting married this Sunday, and he hasn't got a good pair of pants left.
596 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:51:26pm |
re: #593 Jadespring
It is an open thread, be prepared for any comment.
Anyway, while we are mesmerized by domestic politics, the centrifuges are spinning in Iran.
Just a reminder.
Good night again, back tomorrow.
597 | shutdown Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:52:06pm |
Oh, well. Tired, and nothing too exciting happening in the Lizard Lounge. No offence, but I guess I will hit the sack.
598 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:52:20pm |
re: #588 Ojoe
Carter, in his foolish hand-wringing naivete, let Iran go deep fundamentalist, and Obama, in his foolish naivete, is about to let it go nuclear.
Good night all.
I'll always remember Bush's swift and decisive action after those pictures of folk-dancers leaping around with little vials of uranium showed up in the papers.
Or not.
599 | Ojoe Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:53:48pm |
re: #598 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, all have been too passive if you ask me.
Now I have to conk out, it is late & I have trucks to drive tomorrow.
600 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:54:05pm |
601 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:54:21pm |
re: #599 Ojoe
Yeah, all have been too passive if you ask me.
Now I have to conk out, it is late & I have trucks to drive tomorrow.
Good night.
602 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:55:58pm |
603 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:57:29pm |
Question: would we have the resources, the national will, and the international credibility to make a serious strike on Iran if we had not gambled away the farm on Saddam's super-secret WMDs and the imminent threat?
604 | stevemcg Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:00:15pm |
re: #603 SanFranciscoZionist
Question: would we have the resources, the national will, and the international credibility to make a serious strike on Iran if we had not gambled away the farm on Saddam's super-secret WMDs and the imminent threat?
No.
605 | freetoken Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:02:09pm |
re: #557 Gus 802
I see Drudge is riling up the whites tonight.
He most certainly is... in extra helpings too.
606 | palomino Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:02:49pm |
re: #603 SanFranciscoZionist
Question: would we have the resources, the national will, and the international credibility to make a serious strike on Iran if we had not gambled away the farm on Saddam's super-secret WMDs and the imminent threat?
Maybe, maybe not. Impossible to know for sure. But there's almost no doubt that we would be in a better position to deal with Iran.
607 | stevemcg Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:03:37pm |
re: #603 SanFranciscoZionist
To expound a little bit, the problems with attacking Iran would have little to do with will or credibility. First, logistics would have been a much greater problem. Second, Iran can block the Straight of Hormuz. Even though we don't get much oil through the straight, the rest of the world does.
608 | freetoken Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:04:22pm |
re: #602 SanFranciscoZionist
2006 that was. Iran was clearly terrified by our decisive military action next door to them.
Speaking of which:
Iraq set to announce new oil reserves
Iraq's oil ministry says the country's oil reserves are significantly higher than current estimates of 115 billion barrels.
Oil Ministry spokesman Assem Jihad said Thursday the ministry would announce the revision, which he described as "big," on Oct. 4. He did not provide additional details, including on what basis the revision would be made.
The announcement comes nearly two years after Iraq resumed oil exploration. For years, such efforts were ignored due to war, U.S. sanctions and the expulsion of foreign firms from the country. Many oil experts believe the largely unexplored western region holds large, undiscovered, reserves.
Iraq last year awarded 12 oil contracts to international oil companies, and aims to raise output to 12 million barrels per day by 2017 — a level many see as overly optimistic.
609 | freetoken Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:05:44pm |
re: #607 stevemcg
It's folly to think of ever invading Iran, or doing anything but a strategic strike from a great distance.
610 | palomino Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:06:29pm |
re: #605 freetoken
He most certainly is... in extra helpings too.
In addition to all the white fright, he's got a poll showing Obama with only a 52-37 lead in a hypothetical matchup for the 2012 nomination.
It's the right's fantasy that Hillary will ride in, claim what she thought was hers back in 2008, and fragment the whole Dem Party, giving the 2012 election to the gop. Like I said, a fantasy.
611 | stevemcg Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:07:14pm |
re: #609 freetoken
Granted, but a strategic strike will probably never get rid of the program. And the natural consequence of any action would be to close the straight.
612 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:32:17pm |
re: #610 palomino
In addition to all the white fright, he's got a poll showing Obama with only a 52-37 lead in a hypothetical matchup for the 2012 nomination.
It's the right's fantasy that Hillary will ride in, claim what she thought was hers back in 2008, and fragment the whole Dem Party, giving the 2012 election to the gop. Like I said, a fantasy.
Yeh. Not gonna happen.
Seriously, right now I call the odds that Obama pulls a second term. Heads will go boom if that happens.
613 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:32:51pm |
Oh well, no solutions tonight.
Night, all.
614 | boredtechindenver Fri, Oct 1, 2010 12:03:23am |
So, who watched Deadwood and Life? Garret Dillahunt played such great psychotics in both series, I didn't expect him to be so good at comedy.
yes, i spent the night catching shows i missed earlier this week. "Arrested Development lite" and "Earl has a Baby". Hulu Plus is great. And they have full series runs of both "Arrested Development" and "Life". No "Big Bang Theory" onine though.