Texas Republican: 'Of Course It's a War on Birth Control'

Texas Republican: ‘Of Course It’s a War on Birth Control’

The Republican Party’s total war on women’s rights

WingnutsMay 2011 • Views: 58,404

In an interview with the Texas Tribune, State Rep. Wayne Christian completely forgets to hide the right wing’s agenda, and lets the truth slip out: it’s not only about abortion. The Republican Party wants total control over women’s reproductive rights — and that includes contraception.

“Well, of course, it’s a war on birth control and abortions and everything. That’s what family planning is supposed to be about.”

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UPDATE at 5/29/11 10:49:05 am

Rep. Christian also recently introduced two amendments to a fiscal bill that would eliminate college LGBT resource centers.

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156 comments

SpaceJesus Sun, May 29, 2011 10:36:28am

America's very own Taliban

blueraven Sun, May 29, 2011 10:37:53am

Well you know what they say about gaffes...its when politicians tell the truth.
Witness Newt Gingrich.

God of Binders with Women Sun, May 29, 2011 10:37:59am

“Well, of course, it’s a war on birth control and abortions and everything. That’s what family planning is supposed to be about.”

But once you're outside the womb, fuck off.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 29, 2011 10:39:15am

D-O-U-C-H-E-B-A-G. GO DOUCHEBAG!!!

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 29, 2011 10:41:01am

Odds he will have the next scandal involving a staffer? Anyone?

SpaceJesus Sun, May 29, 2011 10:43:00am

re: #5 Cannadian Club Akbar

dude's just mad because they don't make condoms small enough for him

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 29, 2011 10:44:44am

re: #6 SpaceJesus

dude's just mad because they don't make condoms small enough for him

2 words: Finger Cot.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 29, 2011 10:44:57am

gotta run...

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 10:45:35am

These guys are not just against the institution of Planned Parenthood: they are against the very concept of planned parenthood.

anova Sun, May 29, 2011 10:45:39am

If only his mother had an abortion

jaunte Sun, May 29, 2011 10:45:49am

He's not in it for the money; has to be for the power.

Wayne Christian
Salary: $7,200 per year

Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sun, May 29, 2011 10:46:43am

Cause us men folk needs proof of our virility to feels likes men! These damn promiscuous whores who use scientificy drugs to keep our seed from makin they bellies swell are just tryin to make us feel like less than a true man!

Damnit when we f**k a slut we want to see their belly get to swellin, how else can we call ourselves manly men?

///sorry ladies. :(

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 10:46:44am

I assume that the GOP will do their best to sidestep any comment on this until forced into a corner, at which point they will lash out at the interviewers for being too persistent.

God of Binders with Women Sun, May 29, 2011 10:47:25am

You see, the GOP is the party of "limited government" except in the matters of:

1.) Family planning
2.) Defense spending
3.) Prayer in public schools
4.) Starting wars in countries where no threat was/is present
5.) Gambling on the internet
6.) Constitutional rights for gays
7.) Gay marriage
8.) End-of-life decisions (Terry Schiavo, et al)

Feel free to add to my list of these pathetic hypocrites.

jaunte Sun, May 29, 2011 10:47:53am

(Christian's) Latest Moving Bills

HB79: Relating to the posting of the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms.

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 10:48:00am

Women who have the power to control their pregnancies also have to power to use sex to turn men into craven, whining beggars. This must be prevented at all costs...

God of Binders with Women Sun, May 29, 2011 10:48:10am

re: #9 ralphieboy

These guys are not just against the institution of Planned Parenthood: they are against the very concept of planned parenthood.

Because "planned parenthood" is a misnomer.
///

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 10:48:37am

re: #17 Kid A

Because "planned parenthood" is a misnomer.
///

It is interfereing in the Will of God

Charles Johnson Sun, May 29, 2011 10:49:16am

Rep. Christian also recently introduced two amendments to a fiscal bill that would eliminate college LGBT resource centers.

abolitionist Sun, May 29, 2011 10:50:48am

Looks like old traditions of virgin sacrifice may soon be revised. And how does a woman defend herself against charges of being a virgin?
1) being pregnant
b) (left to your imagination)
/

SpaceJesus Sun, May 29, 2011 10:51:18am

re: #19 Charles

another example of the right's "fiscal crusade" being nothing more than a cover for a radical social agenda.

darthstar Sun, May 29, 2011 10:52:00am

I'd like to officially declare war on Republican politiians' penises. Obviously, they're not to be trusted with them.

God of Binders with Women Sun, May 29, 2011 10:52:21am

re: #18 ralphieboy

It is interfereing in the Will of God

Don't worry. God is in charge.
//

darthstar Sun, May 29, 2011 10:57:41am

Okay...time to get my ass moving for the day. Have fun, everyone. Go see how trafficky your hot tourist spots are.

[Link: maps.google.com...]

Yep...it's getting yellow on 92 west...that'll all be red in another two hours...gorgeous day on the coast.

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 11:00:56am

Women of all ages and walks of life need to be made aware of what would await them under a GOP-dominated administration: a complete loss of reproductive rights, access to reproductive health services, tightening of the definition of rape and social stigmatism for "slutty" behavior.

jaunte Sun, May 29, 2011 11:03:35am

Here's another bill that shows Wayne Christian is holding to truly reactionary principles of careless government in regards to environmental hazards. The bill requires sellers' disclosure of contamination on residential real property, BUT adds a 10-item list of exclusions, including:

(10) of real property that is located wholly within a municipality's corporate boundaries.

So if you buy anything within city limits, God protect you, cause the Texas legislature won't.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:03:36am

We cannot function as the society we are without birth control.

Wanting to remove it implies that one is envisioning a different society. I would like details.

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 11:04:18am

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

We cannot function as the society we are without birth control.

Wanting to remove it implies that one is envisioning a different society. I would like details.

The details can be found in the Book of Leviticus.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:04:54am

re: #20 abolitionist

Looks like old traditions of virgin sacrifice may soon be revised. And how does a woman defend herself against charges of being a virgin?
1) being pregnant
b) (left to your imagination)
/

One of the Sword and Sorceress anthologies once had a story about a girl who was running all over her village trying to find someone to sleep with her, because if she's a virgin she's going to get fed to the dragon.

God of Binders with Women Sun, May 29, 2011 11:09:07am

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

One of the Sword and Sorceress anthologies once had a story about a girl who was running all over her village trying to find someone to sleep with her, because if she's a virgin she's going to get fed to the dragon.

Dear San Francisco Zionist,

That is beyond ridiculous. How could anyone possibly believe that?

Regards,

The Earth is 6000 Years Old

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:10:00am

re: #28 ralphieboy

The details can be found in the Book of Leviticus.

Tribal nomadic/agrarian? Sure, that would work.

I assume that we're using 'Book of Leviticus' here to mean 'Leviticus with all of the centuries of commentary stripped away, as read by a none-too-bright fanatic who doesn't read Hebrew and doesn't consider most of the laws applicable, except as they have something to do with sex.'

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:10:45am

re: #20 abolitionist

The sad thing is that they (used to) have tests. It sometimes happened before weddings.

Hows that for the bachelorette? Your Fiance's old aunt goes and checks if you're 'intact'.

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:12:31am

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure you get 'fundamentalism' >>

The whole point is that all those centuries of commentary are crap and are human modifications of God's inspired message!

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 11:14:58am

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

Tribal nomadic/agrarian? Sure, that would work.

I assume that we're using 'Book of Leviticus' here to mean 'Leviticus with all of the centuries of commentary stripped away, as read by a none-too-bright fanatic who doesn't read Hebrew and doesn't consider most of the laws applicable, except as they have something to do with sex.'

It means no abortions, no sex outside marriage, no gay anything and no contraception even in marriage.

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 11:15:42am

re: #32 windsagio

The sad thing is that they (used to) have tests. It sometimes happened before weddings.

Hows that for the bachelorette? Your Fiance's old aunt goes and checks if you're 'intact'.

Remember that Lady Di had to get her hymen checked before she could marry the most assuredly virgin Prince Charles.

God of Binders with Women Sun, May 29, 2011 11:15:49am

re: #34 ralphieboy

It means no abortions, no sex outside marriage, no gay anything and no contraception even in marriage.

Rhythm Method!

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:15:56am

Leviticus 19:9 Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. 10 Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God.

I can haz biblikly sanctioned soshulizm?

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:16:06am

re: #35 ralphieboy

I... really?!

calochortus Sun, May 29, 2011 11:16:20am

re: #25 ralphieboy

As a general rule, people don't think moral rules really apply to them-but we do need to keep all those other people who "aren't like me" in line or society will fall apart.
I think any serious attempt to make birth control broadly unavailable will bring the wrath of many people down on the conservatives. Nibbling at it around the edges is the real danger.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:16:28am

re: #34 ralphieboy

It means no abortions, no sex outside marriage, no gay anything and no contraception even in marriage.

Neither abortion nor contraception are forbidden by Leviticus. Just sayin'.

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:16:38am

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Supply Side Jesus (the son of White God) really does not approve.

Someone Please Beam Me Up! Sun, May 29, 2011 11:16:49am

Don't those fools know that paternity is easy to establish these days? Don't they know that courts are tracking down fathers and requiring them to support their children? Men everywhere risk being blamed for out-of-wedlock pregnancies, AND CHARGED for them!

calochortus Sun, May 29, 2011 11:17:44am

re: #42 C1nnabar

Don't those fools know that paternity is easy to establish these days? Don't they know that courts are tracking down fathers and requiring them to support their children? Men everywhere risk being blamed for out-of-wedlock pregnancies, AND CHARGED for them!

/

Easier to establish paternity than to get the guy to pay child support.

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:17:56am

re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist

to be honest I don't think the procreation only thing is really even in the New Testament either. It's just that Paul was so down on sex in general.

nines09 Sun, May 29, 2011 11:18:26am

Smaller goverment and jobs? Fuck that. We want to control and eliminate all who are not of us. This is just what they are. Nothing wrong here. Go back to sleep. Only the wind. Now that I have that off my chest, a heartfelt thank you and a tip 'o the hat to all who served and will serve this nation. I stand and salute you my friend. PAX.

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 11:18:45am

re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist

Neither abortion nor contraception are forbidden by Leviticus. Just sayin'.

It's in there somewhere...

Someone Please Beam Me Up! Sun, May 29, 2011 11:18:59am

re: #43 calochortus

True, but these days the courts are really trying. And getting more and more of them.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:19:06am

Yeah, these guys are screwed:

You shall not oppress your neighbor, nor rob him. The wages of a hired man are not to remain with you all night until morning. You shall not curse a deaf man, nor place a stumbling block before the blind, but you shall revere your God; I am the LORD.

You shall do no injustice in judgment; you shall not be partial to the poor nor defer to the great, but you are to judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about as a slanderer among your people, and you are not to act against the life of your neighbor; I am the LORD.

//What a barbaric, outdated text.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:19:26am

re: #46 ralphieboy

It's in there somewhere...

Where?

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 11:20:15am

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

Where?

Irrelevant, God spoke to me this morning personally and made it clear that they are RIGHT OUT.

Someone Please Beam Me Up! Sun, May 29, 2011 11:20:16am

re: #44 windsagio

Not that it matters. Those "good Christians" don't even read the New Testament, much less the old.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:20:58am

re: #50 ralphieboy

Irrelevant, God spoke to me this morning personally and made it clear that they are RIGHT OUT.

Yup, that sounds about right.

God of Binders with Women Sun, May 29, 2011 11:21:15am

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Leviticus 19:9 Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. 10 Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God.

I can haz biblikly sanctioned soshulizm?

God's a capitalist, and I have proof!

Your text to link...

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:22:10am

re: #51 C1nnabar

That's the really REALLY sad thing.

A lot of them do. I have a ton of connections (friends and family) in fundie circles, and most of them do the '10 minutes' a day thing.

There's just huge confirmation bias, is the problem. They already know what the 'revealed' meaning is, so everything they read just reinforces that meaning.

Someone Please Beam Me Up! Sun, May 29, 2011 11:22:21am

re: #51 C1nnabar

Oops! the Old Testament! (I intended to capitalize it, promise!)

Romantic Heretic Sun, May 29, 2011 11:23:18am

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

We cannot function as the society we are without birth control.

Wanting to remove it implies that one is envisioning a different society. I would like details.

It's all laid out in The Handmaid's Tale.

Batman Sun, May 29, 2011 11:23:29am

“Well, of course, it’s a war on birth control and abortions and everything. That’s what family planning is supposed to be about.”

That quote almost makes it sound like it's really a war on "family planning." It's like they said "Planned Parenthood is bad. Okay let's go after whatever the fuck they stand for." Scorched-rights warfare, if you will.

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:23:29am

re: #53 Kid A

"Wealth Building strategies and bible studies!"

Its hard to even laugh at.

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 11:24:07am

This is the point of Holy Scriptures: they are open to interpretation of their "literal" and "revealed" meaning. They can serve as a basis for a personal moral or ethical code, but not as a code of law.

A lot of fundamentalists (of all religions) are unable to see this distinction.

darthstar Sun, May 29, 2011 11:24:59am

Let me get this straight...the've driven 300 miles and they STILL haven't found the beach? This show sucks!

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:25:25am

re: #58 windsagio

"Wealth Building strategies and bible studies!"

Its hard to even laugh at.

It's not funny. The prophets would have had heart attacks if they had seen this kind of nonsense.

Someone Please Beam Me Up! Sun, May 29, 2011 11:25:31am

re: #54 windsagio

That's one way of putting it. But I think the "10 minutes a day" devotional reading isn't intended to concentrate on the text and think about what it means, it's just to take care of your brownie point for the day.

calochortus Sun, May 29, 2011 11:25:55am

re: #47 C1nnabar

Things are improving somewhat, although there are a fair number of unemployed fathers these days who couldn't pay if they wanted to. Overall the statistics have been pretty dismal.

God of Binders with Women Sun, May 29, 2011 11:25:56am

re: #58 windsagio

"Wealth Building strategies and bible studies!"

Its hard to even laugh at.

"The Bible mandates free market capitalism. It is anti-socialist. The proof is here: 10,000 pages of exposition, verse by verse. Free."

Socialism!!!
///

Someone Please Beam Me Up! Sun, May 29, 2011 11:28:40am

re: #63 calochortus

I always was too optimistic. Later, all!

calochortus Sun, May 29, 2011 11:28:54am

I don't think most men would care for a birth control-free society, either. And I don't mean footloose bachelors and adulterers either. It would destroy the economy as we know it.

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:28:58am

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

You laugh because otherwise you'll cry. :p

jvic Sun, May 29, 2011 11:29:03am

1. re: #11 jaunte

He's not in it for the money; has to be for the power. Wayne Christian Salary: $7,200 per year

He's an "investment advisor", so the connections he makes are useful.

2. re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

We cannot function as the society we are without birth control.

Wanting to remove it implies that one is envisioning a different society. I would like details.

And I'd like to know if he practices what he preaches. He has three daughters, the youngest of whom is in college. IMHO that's a bit on the low side for someone who has never practiced birth control. Rep. Christian and "his beautiful wife, Lisa Lemoine" should be thoroughly questioned about this and medical records should be released if appropriate.

NB: As a rule, a couple's sex life is a private matter afaic. Politicians who propose to involve the State in everybody's sex life create an exception for themselves.

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:29:43am

re: #66 calochortus

It kind of works when a huge % of women and babies die in the process of childbirth.

... Wow that's grim even as a joke.

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 11:31:44am

re: #66 calochortus

I don't think most men would care for a birth control-free society, either. And I don't mean footloose bachelors and adulterers either. It would destroy the economy as we know it.

Look, soon we will have to start begetting ten or more children in the hope that three or four of them will survive to support us in our dotage.

This will be made necessary by the complete elimination of affordable healthcare and the collapse of all private pension plans.

Getting back to Leviticus...

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:32:14am

Do other religions have the equivalent of these 'Prosperity Gospel' types? It feels especially bad when its your faith they're shitting all over >

God of Binders with Women Sun, May 29, 2011 11:32:22am

re: #59 ralphieboy

This is the point of Holy Scriptures: they are open to interpretation of their "literal" and "revealed" meaning. They can serve as a basis for a personal moral or ethical code, but not as a code of law.

A lot of fundamentalists (of all religions) are unable to see this distinction.

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jaunte Sun, May 29, 2011 11:32:34am

re: #68 jvic

Yeah, that was sort of sarc; a Rep getting a $7,200 salary is definitely there for the other money-making/power possibilities.

ProGunLiberal Sun, May 29, 2011 11:32:58am

This shows how far the Republicans are willing to go. The Democrats need to find there cajones and fight back.

We need to put out more critical rhetoric, and show similarities in positions to the people Taliban, and try and paint them as the Christian version of them. Democrats need to be more aggressive and dirty.

BongCrodny Sun, May 29, 2011 11:33:45am

re: #19 Charles

Rep. Christian also recently introduced two amendments to a fiscal bill that would eliminate college LGBT resource centers.

"Merciful Lord, please use thy wisdom and thy divine power and smite everyone different than me."

calochortus Sun, May 29, 2011 11:34:25am

re: #69 windsagio

It kind of works when a huge % of women and babies die in the process of childbirth.

... Wow that's grim even as a joke.

Umm, yeah. There was a piece on the radio yesterday about the "orphan trains" of the late 19th century, which moved up to 250,000 children from the streets of eastern cities to rural areas (with mixed success.) Do we really want to go back to that sort of thing? I should note that these were not all children who had no parents, though many were , but for some either the family simply could not feed all their children, or perhaps it was a widow or widower who just couldn't cope with their work and their children.

ProGunLiberal Sun, May 29, 2011 11:35:06am

re: #71 windsagio

Yep. The Muslims have Wahhabism/Salafism. Some may disagree, but they are of the opinion that God like there form because the Saudis have oil.

bratwurst Sun, May 29, 2011 11:35:25am

re: #71 windsagio

Do other religions have the equivalent of these 'Prosperity Gospel' types? It feels especially bad when its your faith they're shitting all over >

I would say these people could be considered the equivalent in my religion.

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:35:28am

re: #74 ProLifeLiberal

See I can't go along with that. "More dirty tricks" isn't really the answer.

More party discipline maybe (there are studies that show that the more unified a party's vote is on a bill the more popular it ends up the public), but we really don't want them pulling out of the GOP playbook.

Not that they have much room to anyways, those guys have got closet racism and nativism locked down.

//Robert Byrd!

calochortus Sun, May 29, 2011 11:36:26am

re: #77 ProLifeLiberal

Yep. The Muslims have Wahhabism/Salafism. Some may disagree, but they are of the opinion that God like there form because the Saudis have oil.

So what to you suppose they think about the fact the Saudis may be running low on oil?

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:36:33am

re: #78 bratwurst

re: #77 ProLifeLiberal

I feel better... I guess?

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:36:40am

re: #66 calochortus

I don't think most men would care for a birth control-free society, either. And I don't mean footloose bachelors and adulterers either. It would destroy the economy as we know it.

Middle-class mercantile societies--the standard-bearers of capitalism--nearly always try to limit the number of children born. This was true in the Renaissance, it is true now. We are even more dependent on having good birth control than they were, since fabulous declines in childhood mortality mean that we have a decently good chance of raising every child we birth.

ProGunLiberal Sun, May 29, 2011 11:37:28am

re: #79 windsagio

I say fight fire with fire. Realpolitik may be need.

For example, the Democrats should do investigations of Pro-Life Group in Democratically controlled states since the Republicans do it in their states.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, May 29, 2011 11:37:29am

re: #74 ProLifeLiberal

This shows how far the Republicans are willing to go. The Democrats need to find there cajones and fight back.

We need to put out more critical rhetoric, and show similarities in positions to the people Taliban, and try and paint them as the Christian version of them. Democrats need to be more aggressive and dirty.

I don't think that's gonna happen. A good percentage of their voting base is religious as well, and I doubt they want to risk pissing them off.

calochortus Sun, May 29, 2011 11:37:49am

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

Not only that, but there might possibly be some difficulty competing in the modern world with one sex tied behind our back, as it were.

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:37:55am

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

Birth rates go down the generation after wealth/health/education go up. Its one of those interesting fascinating things.

calochortus Sun, May 29, 2011 11:38:36am

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, if we keep on trying to get rid of the middle class, maybe that won't be a problem.

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:39:11am

re: #83 ProLifeLiberal

Haha, I'm just an idealist at heart.

I just dread the idea that the solution is to have EVERYBODY doing Nixonesque bullcrap. Who wants to live in a country like that?

Romantic Heretic Sun, May 29, 2011 11:39:28am

re: #53 Kid A

Your text to link...

Man, what a load of selfish twaddle. The 'capitalists' and the 'Marxists' always appear to be cut from the same cloth. "When economics dictates, we have no choice but to obey!"

And they claim to be all about freedom.

Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sun, May 29, 2011 11:39:47am

re: #41 windsagio

Supply Side Jesus (the son of White God) really does not approve.

Supply side Jesus? Dude be careful what you say about him, he is a real badass...

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ProGunLiberal Sun, May 29, 2011 11:39:52am

re: #81 windsagio

Don't. The Wahhabs/Salafis are fighting to become the dominant form of Islam. The 3 moderate schools (Hanafi, Maliki, and Shafi'i) of Islamic Law are fighting back, but they don't have nearly the money.

calochortus Sun, May 29, 2011 11:39:55am

re: #86 windsagio

Birth rates go down the generation after wealth/health/education go up. Its one of those interesting fascinating things.

It is also tied to women's education and empowerment, which is what drives these Neanderthals nuts.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:40:02am

re: #68 jvic

1.

He's an "investment advisor", so the connections he makes are useful.

2. re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

And I'd like to know if he practices what he preaches. He has three daughters, the youngest of whom is in college. IMHO that's a bit on the low side for someone who has never practiced birth control. Rep. Christian and "his beautiful wife, Lisa Lemoine" should be thoroughly questioned about this and medical records should be released if appropriate.

NB: As a rule, a couple's sex life is a private matter afaic. Politicians who propose to involve the State in everybody's sex life create an exception for themselves.

My own devout Irish Catholic relatives have, mysteriously, in the last few generations, been struck with a tragic decline in fertility.

We're OK with that, too.

calochortus Sun, May 29, 2011 11:41:38am

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently the Italians have been struck with the same mysterious decline. Amazing./

Romantic Heretic Sun, May 29, 2011 11:43:33am

re: #69 windsagio

It kind of works when a huge % of women and babies die in the process of childbirth.

... Wow that's grim even as a joke.

Mother Nature always balances out populations. She's not very nice about it either. We humans can free ourselves from that vicious cycle.

So I have to ask Rep. Christian and his cronies, "Why are you against freedom?"

ProGunLiberal Sun, May 29, 2011 11:43:48am

re: #88 windsagio

Alot of it is bloodlust in my case. I've got a real good memory, and I remember the crap I put up with in High School for being a Democrat.

Also being called a Nazi by some College Republicans last year because, in their minds, Democrat=Socialist=Nazi.

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 11:43:49am

There is the "immigrants are outbreeding us" argument that also founders: after establishing themselves in America, immigrant birth rates also decline...

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:43:55am

OT:

Quote that was posted on the Doonesbury site.

"I worship the ground that Paul Ryan walks on."
— Dick Cheney

Anyone know if it's legit?

AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 11:44:26am

Believe so, saw it on newsmax.

100

windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:45:14am

re: #96 ProLifeLiberal

believe me I understand that feeling.

Sympathy!

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:45:22am

re: #94 calochortus

Apparently the Italians have been struck with the same mysterious decline. Amazing./

The Chassidim are OK. Perhaps whatever it is has to do with shaving.

;)

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:46:50am

re: #99 ralphieboy

Believe so, saw it on newsmax.

From Wonkette

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jaunte Sun, May 29, 2011 11:47:09am

Wayne Christian grew up in the small roadside bandit town of Tenaha, Texas, which had a reputation in the 1920's for being home to a number of KKK members. The racism is slightly more disguised today, but not by much.

By Howard Witt Tribune correspondent
March 10, 2009
TENAHA, Texas— You can drive into this dusty fleck of a town near the Texas-Louisiana border if you're African-American, but you might not be able to drive out of it—at least not with your car, your cash, your jewelry or other valuables.
That's because the police here allegedly have found a way to strip motorists, many of them black, of their property without ever charging them with a crime. Instead they offer out-of-towners a grim choice: voluntarily sign over your belongings to the town, or face felony charges of money laundering or other serious crimes.
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, May 29, 2011 11:47:31am

Ok, ya'll heard about Rep. Weiner's twitter getting hacked and someone sent out a photo of a huge penis?

LOL, here's his response.

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

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Killgore Trout Sun, May 29, 2011 11:48:03am

Sarah Palin swarmed at first bus tour stop

Organizers of the annual veterans motorcycle ride were clearly frustrated by the media attention and fuss brought by Palin, and the bikers weren’t as encouraging as the Palins. Yelling, and in a few instances, shoving, they tried to keep away press trying to snap photographs or capture a rare quote.

Ted Shpak, the national legislative director for Rolling Thunder, didn’t take kindly to reporters approaching the Palin swarm. “This is our run, back up,” he shouted.

Don Dicks, who later posed with Palin in the background as he put both his thumbs up and his tongue out, repeatedly yelled at fans and reporters near his motorcycle: “Back up from my bike! Stay away from my bike!”

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:48:31am

re: #104 Stanley Sea

Ok, ya'll heard about Rep. Weiner's twitter getting hacked and someone sent out a photo of a huge penis?

LOL, here's his response.

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

Graceful.

This new technology sure allows everyone to show how mature they are.

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Killgore Trout Sun, May 29, 2011 11:48:39am

re: #104 Stanley Sea

Ok, ya'll heard about Rep. Weiner's twitter getting hacked and someone sent out a photo of a huge penis?

LOL, here's his response.

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

The wingnuts are calling for an investigation.

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jvic Sun, May 29, 2011 11:50:39am

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist.

My own devout Irish Catholic relatives have, mysteriously, in the last few generations, been struck with a tragic decline in fertility.

re: #94 calochortus

Apparently the Italians have been struck with the same mysterious decline. Amazing./

When I was a practicing Catholic decades ago (well before the sex scandals came out), the US Church, policing its flock like an experienced Irish cop, would look the other way on contraception but take a hard line on abortion.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:51:35am

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Sarah Palin swarmed at first bus tour stop

The whole Rolling Thunder thing was discussed on The Mudflats. Shpak says no one asked Palin, and he's not keen on her being there.

Palin's team says they were invited.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 29, 2011 11:53:31am

re: #108 jvic

.

re: #94 calochortus

When I was a practicing Catholic decades ago (well before the sex scandals came out), the US Church, policing its flock like an experienced Irish cop, would look the other way on contraception but take a hard line on abortion.

The Church can say what it likes, but they know that the faithful rely on having BC, and will not give it up no matter what. They've chosen to focus on other things.

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windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:53:44am

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

It's kind of a perfect synergy really. Not surprised the bikers don't like the comparison/exploitation tho'

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Romantic Heretic Sun, May 29, 2011 11:54:10am

re: #103 jaunte

Wayne Christian grew up in the small roadside bandit town of Tenaha, Texas, which had a reputation in the 1920's for being home to a number of KKK members. The racism is slightly more disguised today, but not by much.

I think the officers and attorneys involved should go to prison. They're using the law to commit theft and blackmail.

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calochortus Sun, May 29, 2011 11:56:31am

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

The Church can say what it likes, but they know that the faithful rely on having BC, and will not give it up no matter what. They've chosen to focus on other things.

Very wisely, I'm sure.

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, May 29, 2011 11:56:54am

From the 'Flats:

“Maybe she’s coming because she knows we’ve got a half a million people in town.” Astute.

“We can’t stop her from coming…” he went on. We know how you feel Mr. Shpak. We can’t stop her from running for office either.

[Link: www.themudflats.net...]

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ProGunLiberal Sun, May 29, 2011 11:57:13am

re: #103 jaunte

Perfect example to make an example. Federal Crackdown on the town.

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windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 11:57:48am

re: #114 Stanley Sea

Gotta admit, I still can't help but want her to run. It's gonna be epic!

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AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 11:57:56am

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

The whole Rolling Thunder thing was discussed on The Mudflats. Shpak says no one asked Palin, and he's not keen on her being there.

Palin's team says they were invited.

Once, when visiting San Francisco, a drug-addled George Harrison extended an invitation to some Hell's Angels to come and visit.

Later several of them showed up in London and moved into the basement of Appple Corp.

I find this a rather odd and uniquely ironic contrast.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 29, 2011 11:59:13am

re: #74 ProLifeLiberal

This shows how far the Republicans are willing to go. The Democrats need to find there cajones and fight back.

We need to put out more critical rhetoric, and show similarities in positions to the people Taliban, and try and paint them as the Christian version of them. Democrats need to be more aggressive and dirty.

They could scarcely be much more dirty than their refusal to engage fiscal reform seriously. 'Dirty' is letting the country go bankrupt.

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jaunte Sun, May 29, 2011 12:00:07pm

re: #112 Romantic Heretic

I find it particularly creepy because my family has been driving through Tenaha for the last 20 year to visit the grandparents, and this scam was invisible to me; if my son went alone today they might stop him.

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windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 12:01:39pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Hate to tell ya, but nobody's doing anything else :p The only questioning is the posturing.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 29, 2011 12:04:05pm

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

From Wonkette

That Wonkette writer can fuck off. Calling Paul Ryan's plan flawed is one thing, but to use the word "murderer" is downright shitty. It announces you don't even want to debate the issue, you just want to attack the other side as EVILL!!1. But that the liberal playbook on Paul Ryan: Attack, Attack, and don't look back. Republicans need to hammer that meme hard, and let the public know that "hands off Medicare" is impossible. The Dems aren't proposing anything to help the program other than more big government. It's up to the GOP to actually find a solution, as usual.

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albusteve Sun, May 29, 2011 12:04:48pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

They could scarcely be much more dirty than their refusal to engage fiscal reform seriously. 'Dirty' is letting the country go bankrupt.

the donks are every bit as worthless as the GOP, just not as colorful at present

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, May 29, 2011 12:08:35pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

Dark, Wonkette is so full of snark you have to have a shovel to get through it. I think it's hilarious. Daily read.

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ProGunLiberal Sun, May 29, 2011 12:08:44pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

What about those Tax Cuts we can't get rid of? Or the subsidies for oil, ethanol, and farmers?

All you care about is Republicans having control. A bad place to be in considering they are quickly becoming the Christian Taliban.

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

Don't like it when it's on your side. The Liberals have been getting that or worse for at least a decade, probably closer to 2.

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windsagio Sun, May 29, 2011 12:12:18pm

re: #124 ProLifeLiberal

Like 40 years... since Goldwater at least.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 29, 2011 12:12:58pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Dark, Wonkette is so full of snark you have to have a shovel to get through it. I think it's hilarious. Daily read.

When you call someone a "Medicare Murder" you've gone way past snark, in my opinion. That's the same thing as calling Barack Obama 'disloyal'; it's an attempt to end debate and tar the other side as 'evil'. We need solutions, not hate rhetoric. That goes for SoCons, too, in case anyone was wondering.

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ProGunLiberal Sun, May 29, 2011 12:18:00pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

I've gotten tired of the crap from the Republican side. I want to solve problems, but if they want a Culture War, give them their culture war.

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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, May 29, 2011 12:18:08pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

It's not funny. The prophets would have had heart attacks if they had seen this kind of nonsense.

This _is_ what the prophets were screaming about. Micah comes to mind.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 29, 2011 12:21:38pm

re: #127 ProLifeLiberal

I've gotten tired of the crap from the Republican side. I want to solve problems, but if they want a Culture War, give them their culture war.

It's not just one-sided, you know. If the left had not pushed so hard in the 60's and 70's, the culture war might never have happened. If government had not been made so large and coercive to begin with, the SoCons would not now have the machinery for some of their nuttier idea.

More later, I need to work on something.

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dragonfire1981 Sun, May 29, 2011 12:32:25pm

I would just like to know when a major politician is going to step up and say tax increases will be needed along with cuts to trim the deficit.

I guess since everyone is all concerned about abortion right now I will be waiting awhile...

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Obdicut Sun, May 29, 2011 12:41:15pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

Dark, what on earth are you talking about? What did the left 'push' for in the '60s that was so outre? Civil rights for blacks?

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AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 12:42:10pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

It's dialectic, man. Push and counter-push. We ever reach a static balance because we are constantly changing.

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Interesting Times Sun, May 29, 2011 12:53:46pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

They could scarcely be much more dirty than their refusal to engage fiscal reform seriously. 'Dirty' is letting the country go bankrupt.

Propagandastic nonsense. This balanced budget plan, created by Democrats, is infinitely better than Paul Ryan's steaming pile.

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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, May 29, 2011 1:20:30pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

It's not just one-sided, you know. If the left had not pushed so hard in the 60's and 70's, the culture war might never have happened. If government had not been made so large and coercive to begin with, the SoCons would not now have the machinery for some of their nuttier idea.

More later, I need to work on something.

Dark, I'm no "commie librul", but if "the left had not pushed so hard in the 60's and 70's", as you put it, then "culture war" issues such as civil rights for minorities, women's rights, and a more comprehensive safety net for the poor (among other things) would have been severely delayed.

I'm not saying that they would have never happened, because I feel the social advances we as a country have made in the past fifty years would have eventually happened, but it would have been a much longer process IMO and a much tougher row to hoe.

As for your argument that the government machinery that has resulted from those social advances is being turned on its head by socons, that may be true to an extent. However, I think they (or any large group with bad/dubious intent) would have attempted to weasel into and leverage any governmental structure they can (such as Congress and the WH and, by extension, the Supremes) as a means to gain and retain real power; the Pauls, Bachmann, Coburn, Inhofe, and many others are proof of this.

The ascendancy of the RR over the past four decades is proof of this; a lot of people like to blame Reagan for bringing the socons prominently into the GOP big tent, but I feel that had Reagan and the GOP not courted them (and their sizable voting block, even then), that the Carter and the Dems would have in 1980. Hell, IMO, the seeds of the socons getting heavily involved in national politics were planted by Carter, who was and is a devout Christian; while liberal in many ways compared to Reagan, I see more in common between Carter and your average socon back then (and even now).

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palomino Sun, May 29, 2011 1:24:35pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

It's not just one-sided, you know. If the left had not pushed so hard in the 60's and 70's, the culture war might never have happened. If government had not been made so large and coercive to begin with, the SoCons would not now have the machinery for some of their nuttier idea.

More later, I need to work on something.

So the right's extremism today is the result of civil rights and anti-war activists and feminists in the 60s? That's a seriously warped view of history.

As for your magical balance fairy, both parties have had a roughly equal hand in fucking up our economy and creating a huge national debt. The same can't be said for the religiously motivated culture war of today that targets all sorts of sexual/reproductive activity. That's your party's game--defend it, denounce it, whatever, but your deflecting and dodging is weak.

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BongCrodny Sun, May 29, 2011 1:29:10pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

It's not just one-sided, you know. If the left had not pushed so hard in the 60's and 70's, the culture war might never have happened. If government had not been made so large and coercive to begin with, the SoCons would not now have the machinery for some of their nuttier idea.

More later, I need to work on something.

One order of "Blame The Hippies," coming right up!

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austin_blue Sun, May 29, 2011 1:31:53pm

Concerning the original post: Anyone who is surprised by this hasn't been paying attention to what has been transgressing (sic) in Texas this last decade.

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jvic Sun, May 29, 2011 1:41:12pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon.

It's not just one-sided, you know. If the left had not pushed so hard in the 60's and 70's, the culture war might never have happened. If government had not been made so large and coercive to begin with, the SoCons would not now have the machinery for some of their nuttier idea.

1. My upding was primarily for the first and last sentences. I will read with interest if you expand on the middle one.

2. Afaic the culture wars, in one form or another, go way back. I am old enough to remember echoes of the claim that Negroes, Catholics and Jews are not 100% Americans.

3. Whenever I cuss out LBJ for how his policies unnecessarily facilitated the growth of government to a counterproductive size, I cuss out Nixon in the same breath for the same thing.

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RadicalModerate Sun, May 29, 2011 2:02:29pm

re: #138 jvic

.
2. Afaic the culture wars, in one form or another, go way back. I am old enough to remember echoes of the claim that Negroes, Catholics and Jews are not 100% Americans.

Change "Catholics" to "Hispanics" and I can honestly say that I hear this exact sentiment on a regular basis here in Texas. In 2011.

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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, May 29, 2011 2:07:15pm

re: #122 albusteve

the donks are every bit as worthless as the GOP, just not as colorful at present

I agree to your general statement, with one clarification: the Dems may be feckless and spineless a lot of times (particularly on confronting GOP bullshit), but the GOP is bordering on being extremely hazardous for this nation's political health.

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AK-47% Sun, May 29, 2011 2:20:48pm

We are quick to forget that things were ever otherwise.

Blacks: disenfranchised, living on the other side of the tracks, or lynched
Gays: in the closet or lynched
Women: chaste or pregnant, and in either case uneducated on matters of sex, birth control or their bodies

There might have been some "overreaction" in the 60's, but what is long stifled and repressed bursts out with that much more force.

Dialectic-like, see?

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wilburs Sun, May 29, 2011 2:26:16pm

Apparently "family values" do not extend to stopping and helping someone you have just run over.

This bozo's legislative assistant was just arrested for hit and run

[Link: www.ketknbc.com...]

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wilburs Sun, May 29, 2011 2:31:53pm

More 'Christian principles" at work in his district.

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

Yet, supervising the sex life of college kids is more important to him.

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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, May 29, 2011 2:35:33pm

re: #142 wilburs

Apparently "family values" do not extend to stopping and helping someone you have just run over.

This bozo's legislative assistant was just arrested for hit and run

[Link: www.ketknbc.com...]

No, Christian's aide was arrested for "failure to stop and render aid", which is still pretty bad and still a felony, but it's not the same as if the aide hit the woman.

According to an Austin Police report, officers recieved a call Friday morning from a woman who saw another woman laying on the ground at the end of her driveway. When emergency crews arrived on the scene, they found the unidentified woman deceased and believed she was struck by a vehicle.
Gabrielle Nestrande, 23, an aide for Representative Wayne Christian (R) at the state capitol was called in for questioning and arrested for failure to stop and render aid, a third degree felony.

Since she hasn't actually been charged with the hit-and-run itself, it seems to me that Ms. Nestrande was too busy to be bothered with checking on the poor lady that was laying in the ditch at the end of her driveway, so she phoned it in and left. I could be wrong about that, but it's pretty fucking heartless and callous either way.

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wilburs Sun, May 29, 2011 2:53:15pm

No, someone else called it in.

Nestrande just hasn't been charged with manslaughter yet, no doubt they are waiting to develop some forensic evidence.

This article is a little clearer

[Link: austin.ynn.com...]

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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, May 29, 2011 2:57:51pm

re: #145 wilburs

No, someone else called it in.

Nestrande just hasn't been charged with manslaughter yet, no doubt they are waiting to develop some forensic evidence.

This article is a little clearer

[Link: austin.ynn.com...]

That is a bit clearer that the original story you posted...wow, just fucking wow, in any case.

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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, May 29, 2011 3:03:32pm

re: #145 wilburs

BTW, if Nestrande did indeed do this and it is proven in a court of law, I hope she gets nailed to the wall for it.

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wilburs Sun, May 29, 2011 3:06:25pm

To make it even worse is that she went to work at the capitol the next day and never said anything about it until the police came to Christian's office and confronted her.

what type of value system do these people have?

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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, May 29, 2011 3:10:04pm

re: #148 wilburs

To make it even worse is that she went to work at the capitol the next day and never said anything about it until the police came to Christian's office and confronted her.

what type of value system do these people have?

One does not need to be liberal or conservative to be completely fucked up like this...and this is fucked up.

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wilburs Sun, May 29, 2011 3:32:23pm

re: #149 talon_262

One does not need to be liberal or conservative to be completely fucked up like this...and this is fucked up.

Agreed

But I find that the process of wishing away inconvenient realities is a hallmark of people who refer to themselves as conservatives

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funky chicken Sun, May 29, 2011 3:46:46pm

re: #76 calochortus

Umm, yeah. There was a piece on the radio yesterday about the "orphan trains" of the late 19th century, which moved up to 250,000 children from the streets of eastern cities to rural areas (with mixed success.) Do we really want to go back to that sort of thing? I should note that these were not all children who had no parents, though many were , but for some either the family simply could not feed all their children, or perhaps it was a widow or widower who just couldn't cope with their work and their children.

Sadly, I believe Representative Christian wouldn't mind seeing that kind of thing.

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wilburs Sun, May 29, 2011 3:53:51pm

re: #151 funky chicken

Sadly, I believe Representative Christian wouldn't mind seeing that kind of thing.

I can remember when Newt proposed something similar...taking children from single welfare mothers and putting them in orphanages

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jbryan Sun, May 29, 2011 6:28:22pm

re: #32 windsagio

The sad thing is that they (used to) have tests. It sometimes happened before weddings.

Hows that for the bachelorette? Your Fiance's old aunt goes and checks if you're 'intact'.

Or how about "you can't catch me cause the rabbit done died."

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jbryan Sun, May 29, 2011 6:33:41pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

It's not just one-sided, you know. If the left had not pushed so hard in the 60's and 70's, the culture war might never have happened. If government had not been made so large and coercive to begin with, the SoCons would not now have the machinery for some of their nuttier idea.

More later, I need to work on something.

Yes. Damn those liberals for pushing for things like a woman's right to get a job and support herself and earn equivalent pay as a man doing the same job, or the right to own her own body and utilize contraceptives in the privacy of her own home; damn those liberals for coercing private businesses to force them to not discriminate against blacks; damn the liberals for forcing the US to acknowledge that gay people actually exist.

The culture war in the 60s and 70s was about people who were powerless and victimized by the powerful in society trying to bring about basic rights and freedoms that white males took for granted. It was part and parcel with delivering upon the so called American dream. The culture war today is telling gays that they still can't serve openly in the armed services, telling black people that they'd be fine if only they worked as hard as white people, and telling women they have no right to abortion or even contraception and they just need to plan better for the possibility of rape (which was all their fault, btw). To say this stuff is legitimized because "the left started it" is downright offensive.

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theheat Sun, May 29, 2011 6:34:42pm

That’s what family planning is supposed to be about.

No, family planning means you plan for when and how many children you intend to have. Family planning isn't getting knocked up each and every time sperm meets and egg because you believe BC pills, condoms, and other birth control methods are Satan's tools to rob women of perpetual knock-up-ness.

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Wayne A. Schneider Mon, May 30, 2011 7:26:56am

This is short-sighted thinking on the part of Republicans. If more women are forced to bear children, most of those children will likely be born into poorer families. But poor people do not vote for Republicans. So, in essence, they are working hard to increase the number of people who would vote against them. They should be supporting abortion rights and family planning.

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