Why Does the GOP Hate Science?

The latest GOP attack on the National Science Foundation
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Steve Silberman has an excellent piece on Why the GOP Hates the National Science Foundation.

The truth is, the current incarnation of the GOP, frozen in its pose of perpetually indignant outrage, doesn’t want additional perspective, more data and nuance, and — Heaven forbid — dissenting voices. The impulse to marginalize, condemn, ridicule, and finally choke off dissenting voices is not only what’s behind Senator Coburn’s war on the NSF, it’s behind the GOP-sponsored culture war that has sucked much of the oxygen out of the national discourse for more than a decade now.

Republicans don’t like science and scientists because they are sources of data that are independent of GOP-approved propaganda mills like Fox News. Pesky scientists and academics are always popping up to dispute the Roger Ailes-approved buzz-quote of the day — on climate change, on health care, on the effects of poverty on the rapidly evaporating middle class, on the diversity of American families, and on the importance of funding basic research instead of commercially-driven ventures constrained by short-term considerations like ROI.

Today’s GOP has a visceral distrust of scientists for the same reason that it has a visceral distrust of the “lamestream media” (particularly deeply reported news organizations like The New York Times), teachers, organized labor, regulatory agencies, National Public Radio, and protest movements that are have not been astroturfed for Fox News’ cameras by Koch Industries: They’re not with the program, whatever this week’s program might be — more windfalls to Big Oil, justifying torture, or floating amendments to officially brand gay people as second-class citizens.

Science, you could say, has a built-in left-wing bias, because it does not appeal to simplistic notions of God, country, tribal supremacy, or any of the other lesser angels of our nature that the GOP finds handy for its get-out-the-angry-vote drives. (The backers of a spectacularly mean-spirited effort to put a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage on the 2012 ballot in Minnesota — despite the fact that marriage equality is already illegal in that stateadmitted that fundraising concerns were a motivating force in ramming the bigoted amendment through the House at the last minute, even against the wishes of Republicans in districts that are open-minded about marriage equality.)

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102 comments
1 dell*nix  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:14:46pm

Because it ruins their make believe world.

2 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:16:42pm

another stealth reader of LGF?...my money says yes

3 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:20:36pm

The GOP hates science because science doesn't allow for the redefinition of reality- and redefining reality has become a priority in too many GOP circles.

4 dell*nix  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:21:37pm

I do not like theocrats of any flavor. They can believe what they want, but do not try to enforce your stupid rules on me. It gets right tiresome.

5 909Ghazis  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:22:44pm

Your GOP/TP. Bought and paid for by people who have no vested interests in anyone and anything but themselves and money. Quite a legacy to promote. The truth is the enemy and science only promotes the truth.

6 Kid Aghazi  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:24:44pm

A GOP haiku...

Science is bullshit,
Earth is 6000 years old,
What global warming?

7 jaunte  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:30:31pm

Bullseye for Silberman.

The message of Coburn’s report is the message of Sarah Palin’s slams against the media is the message of the right-wing blogosphere’s mockery of climate scientists is the message of Wisconsin governor Scott Walker’s attacks on labor is the message of Maggie Gallagher’s expensive war on gay couples who want to get married: These alleged “experts” don’t really know anything. Not only that, they think you’re stupid. They claim to be independent and objective, but in reality, they’re corrupt, self-interested, and purely partisan. They’re making fools of American taxpayers while indulging their liberal — indeed, sinful — excesses in a time when “common sense” Republicans are prescribing drastic measures to scale down the national debt, like, oh, say, demolishing Medicare, smashing labor unions, defunding Planned Parenthood and National Public Radio, and shredding social safety nets.
8 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:31:18pm

...and this mistrust of intelligence and education is why candidates like Palin, Trump are so popular. Pundits like Beck thrive on this stuff. Reality is never going to conform to conservative imaginations. they are fighting a battle they will surely lose.

9 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:34:29pm

Most of them do believe science I think, or don't really doubt it that much... there's just votes and money in it.

Again, more corrupt than stupid.

10 jaunte  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:35:11pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

It reminds me of some advice from a water safety course.

Swimming rescue in the technique of last resort. You need to be a skilled swimmer and rescuer to be able to swim up to the person and provide the assistance the person may require. Be particularly careful if the person in trouble is panicking, in which case he may also pose a danger to you.
[Link: www.ehow.com...]
11 Obdicut  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:35:40pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

I think that there's the beginning of some pushback. The savagery of the tornadoes has people looking to science for answers; happening at right the same time as the 'The world is going to end' guy made religious prediction sound whackjobby.

There is already abundant scientific evidence of AGW, and there's going to be more and more narratively-available evidence. Sadly, it won't come until we're committed to a quite high level of warning.

I wonder how people will react when they realize they've been lied to? Or will they just fall back to the denier "It's not the CO2/It's not humans producing CO2" bunch of crap, which it takes an actual conversant knowledge of the science to disprove?

12 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:36:15pm

while the dems sit on their thumbs, the GOP socons are riding the curl via the MSM and we are all more stupid for it...from BO right down to the stupid fuck that wants to chop down the rain forests, we all suffer from poor leadership while the books are being rewritten...BO will barge in on a dustup on a Philly porch but seems paralyzed to deal with this madness from the GOP...it's not an unsolvable problem but if you don't fight back you will surly lose...if this continues I'd give Palin even money to win the presidency, regardless of all the blather otherwise...the economy sucks and BO will pay in spades...the dems must launch some sort of rebuttle to this monumental diversion from reality...sit pat and we all go down

13 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:36:56pm

re: #11 Obdicut

well its' an ongoing trend, they've just been getting louder and louder to make up for the slipping influence.

14 Amory Blaine  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:36:57pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

...and this mistrust of intelligence and education is why candidates like Palin, Trump are so popular. Pundits like Beck thrive on this stuff. Reality is never going to conform to conservative imaginations. they are fighting a battle they will surely lose.

Probably not in our lifetime.

15 Kid Aghazi  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:37:12pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Absofuckingly correct.

16 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:37:48pm
17 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:38:51pm

Man, I've been getting the ultimate Facebook crash course today. Learning how it works from a user's point of view at the same time as I learn their API as a developer.

Their API history is littered with the burned-out shells of former interfaces.

18 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:39:48pm

re: #16 windsagio

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no thanks whatever it is

19 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:42:23pm

Probably the same reason that the Catholic church hated science--in the 16th century.

20 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:43:05pm

re: #11 Obdicut

I think that there's the beginning of some pushback. The savagery of the tornadoes has people looking to science for answers; happening at right the same time as the 'The world is going to end' guy made religious prediction sound whackjobby.

There is already abundant scientific evidence of AGW, and there's going to be more and more narratively-available evidence. Sadly, it won't come until we're committed to a quite high level of warning.

I wonder how people will react when they realize they've been lied to? Or will they just fall back to the denier "It's not the CO2/It's not humans producing CO2" bunch of crap, which it takes an actual conversant knowledge of the science to disprove?

AGW is dead in the minds of too many people...but it can be nicely laced into a comprehensive energy package where national security is at stake....seems like too much work for our illustrious pols to figure out

21 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:43:10pm

re: #14 Amory Blaine

It'll be won in 10 years, if not sooner. These guys are really at the edge.

22 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:45:54pm

re: #21 windsagio

It'll be won in 10 years, if not sooner. These guys are really at the edge.

I give it less than 10 years before the current incarnation of the GOP implodes.

23 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:46:59pm

Just so you know--while the friends button is disabled, facebook proceeds to take all the names I can't see and tells me to friend them.

24 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:47:26pm

re: #22 researchok

The GOP will be interesting to watch, but for sure the Theocon/Climate denial/antiscience folks are on the way out.

25 Amory Blaine  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:48:14pm

re: #21 windsagio

It'll be won in 10 years, if not sooner. These guys are really at the edge.

Yeah it'll be back to business with these guys. Ketchup is a vegetable and trickle down works, the solid facts.

26 Kragarghazi  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:48:18pm

Nothing ruins backstory more efficiently than retconning.

DAMN THOSE SCIENTISTS!

27 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:49:25pm

re: #24 windsagio

The GOP will be interesting to watch, but for sure the Theocon/Climate denial/antiscience folks are on the way out.

they are just getting started which is why everybody is watching this cycle so closely...but I guess 'on their way out' could mean anything you want it to

28 Ghazicide  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:49:27pm

re: #22 researchok

I give it less than 10 years before the current incarnation of the GOP implodes.

I could only hope. A Palin campaign would hasten it's demise.

Posting that Silberman piece on FB. Should roil up some Aileisians.

29 Kragarghazi  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:50:52pm

re: #28 BigPapa

I could only hope. A Palin campaign would hasten it's demise.

Posting that Silberman piece on FB. Should roil up some Aileisians.

But Rush says the only chance the GOP has is to push for candidates like Palin, the further right the better.

30 ProGunLiberal  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:51:11pm

re: #21 windsagio

A good retaliation for these actions, I think, would be the investigations of what Koch gives money to in Blue States. This will inevitably lead to an investigation of the Tea Party.

In addition, investigate NOM.

31 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:52:12pm

re: #27 albusteve

They're really not just getting started. The Christian Coalition has been going since the '80, the 'moral majority' even longer.

Specific to climate, they've been going for at least 10 years, from the moment it started to be an issue.

The only difference now is that the fight is going against them, so they have to rave that much louder, and push the envelope where they still have power.

32 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:52:58pm

re: #30 ProLifeLiberal

sad thing is that the Dems have no particular desire to investigate financing irregularities too hard :(

That's one place I sometimes feel we're kind of fucked.

33 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:53:10pm

re: #24 windsagio

The GOP will be interesting to watch, but for sure the Theocon/Climate denial/antiscience folks are on the way out.

In three or four years they will be regarded as marginalized crackpots.

34 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:53:17pm

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But Rush says the only chance the GOP has is to push for candidates like Palin, the further right the better.

it's up to the voters and we don't know yet how deep this thing runs yet...it's difficult to gauge when you only use LGF and Fox news for parameters

35 ProGunLiberal  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:54:44pm

re: #32 windsagio

True, there is that angle, but I was thinking more along the angle I mentioned earlier today of fighting fire with fire.

Another idea. Withholding any federal funds from going to Liberty University or similar institutions.

36 Ghazicide  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:55:06pm

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But Rush says the only chance the GOP has is to push for candidates like Palin, the further right the better.

Great. Rush has been pushing the 'push it further right' meme for years. Ironically it seems the Dem party is more mainstream and the GOP are the extremists, which means hypercharging the fanatic base but alienating the middle.

But what do I know, I don't have an AM radio talk show. I'm an exception to Rush's Rule: the GOP lost me going nutter.

37 Irenicum  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:55:29pm

re: #17 Charles

That may explain why FB has been so glitchy so often for so many. Gets annoying pretty fast.

38 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:55:40pm

re: #28 BigPapa

I could only hope. A Palin campaign would hasten it's demise.

Posting that Silberman piece on FB. Should roil up some Aileisians.

Americans are remarkable when it comes to self correction.

The GOP will shed the Evangelicals (as a source of influence) and reinvent themselves. A good thing

39 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:56:06pm

re: #35 ProLifeLiberal

That's the excitement of netroots operations imo (yeah, even the beloved moveon).

now its possible to transparently fund accoutability organizations.

40 Kragarghazi  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:56:13pm

Saudi prince calls for lower oil prices

Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal said Sunday that he wants oil prices to drop so that the United States and Europe don't accelerate efforts to wean themselves off his country's supply.

In an interview broadcast Sunday on "CNN's Fareed Zakaria GPS," the grandson of the founding king of modern Saudi Arabia said the oil price should be somewhere between $70 and $80 a barrel, rather than the current level of over $100 a barrel.

"We don't want the West to go and find alternatives, because, clearly, the higher the price of oil goes, the more they have incentives to go and find alternatives," said Talal, who is listed by Forbes as the 26th richest man in the world.

41 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:56:36pm

re: #32 windsagio

sad thing is that the Dems have no particular desire to investigate financing irregularities too hard :(

That's one place I sometimes feel we're kind of fucked.

Yup- no clean hands anywhere in that regard.

42 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:56:49pm

A lot of Facebook friend requests today! If I missed you, leave a comment and let me know your Facebook name.

43 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:57:05pm

re: #31 windsagio

They're really not just getting started. The Christian Coalition has been going since the '80, the 'moral majority' even longer.

Specific to climate, they've been going for at least 10 years, from the moment it started to be an issue.

The only difference now is that the fight is going against them, so they have to rave that much louder, and push the envelope where they still have power.

I'm referring to the TP rise to power in DC...and the fight is not going against them or CJ wouldn't be posting all this bizarre legislative behavior....don't try to tell women in OK that the TP is waning

44 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:57:40pm

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That last para is mindblowing. Think of how smug and just evil he is to be willing to say that to the western press.

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:57:53pm

re: #38 researchok

Americans are remarkable when it comes to self correction.

The GOP will shed the Evangelicals (as a source of influence) and reinvent themselves. A good thing

I don't see that happening any time soon. I think the GOP will have to suffer several punishing election defeats in a row before they wise up.

46 PhillyPretzel  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:59:11pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

47 bratwurst  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:59:12pm

re: #36 BigPapa

Great. Rush has been pushing the 'push it further right' meme for years. Ironically it seems the Dem party is more mainstream and the GOP are the extremists, which means hypercharging the fanatic base but alienating the middle.

But what do I know, I don't have an AM radio talk show. I'm an exception to Rush's Rule: the GOP lost me going nutter.

He is also engaging in revisionist history. I actually heard him say that Sarah Palin ALMOST BEAT Obama in one of his frequent riffs on why she should be the nominee.

48 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 5:59:35pm

re: #43 albusteve

The TP is a symptom of their collapse, man. They're just giving up on national initiatives and doing what harm they can where they can.

49 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:00:24pm

re: #45 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't see that happening any time soon. I think the GOP will have to suffer several punishing election defeats in a row before they wise up.

You may be right but I'll bet against that.

The GOP politicians may be that myopic but the guy on main street is getting pissed off. He or she want to see a government that6 unites as opposed to one which divides.

50 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:01:02pm

re: #48 windsagio

The TP is a symptom of their collapse, man. They're just giving up on national initiatives and doing what harm they can where they can.

yeah, and blowing into the House with 50 some new electees proves it

51 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:01:34pm

re: #49 researchok

Part of it too is as the older generations die or at least pass out of the voting population, we're seeing a big big shift on some of these issues.

52 Kragarghazi  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:02:38pm

Republican Legislators Push to Tighten Voting Rules

Less than 18 months before the next presidential election, Republican-controlled statehouses around the country are rewriting voting laws to require photo identification at the polls, reduce the number of days of early voting or tighten registration rules.

Republican legislators say the new rules, which have advanced in 13 states in the past two months, offer a practical way to weed out fraudulent votes and preserve the integrity of the ballot box. Democrats say the changes have little to do with fraud prevention and more to do with placing obstacles in the way of possible Democratic voters, including young people and minorities.

53 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:02:54pm

re: #50 albusteve

That had a lot more to do with the weakness of the economy in 2010 (no matter how bizarrely unfair that is) and the traditional midterm slump.

54 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:04:26pm

re: #53 windsagio

That had a lot more to do with the weakness of the economy in 2010 (no matter how bizarrely unfair that is) and the traditional midterm slump.

so what?...there are always issues to feed on...are they honestly addressing the economy now?

55 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:05:34pm

re: #48 windsagio

The TP is a symptom of their collapse, man. They're just giving up on national initiatives and doing what harm they can where they can.

From where I sit, that's right on the money.

A while back Arianna Huffington hit the nail on the head. She had a warning for both the GOP and the Dems. She said something to the effect that the TP was less about politics than it was about attitude. Americans are getting fed up with the status quo.

In 2011, politics is still practiced as it was 40 years ago.

Whether the politicians like it or not, there will be changes/

56 bratwurst  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:05:45pm

re: #50 albusteve

yeah, and blowing into the House with 50 some new electees proves it

Hey, speaking of which...the new Congresspeople have been at it for a while now, this seems like a good time to check in on their many job creating achievements:

[Link: whenarethejobs.com...]

57 Ghazicide  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:05:45pm

re: #50 albusteve

yeah, and blowing into the House with 50 some new electees proves it

Actually it was more than that, but an extremely dire economy and the typical post Whitehouse takeover rebound cannot be forgotten.

58 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:07:21pm

re: #55 researchok

I attribute it to bad times and fear of change in general, but yeah right on.

Big gov't is easy to blame, especially with all the Limbaughs and Palins out there.

59 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:07:36pm

re: #57 BigPapa

Actually it was more than that, but an extremely dire economy and the typical post Whitehouse takeover rebound cannot be forgotten.

over 50 seats is not typical, it's historic....the best defense is a good offense and unless we see some from the donks anything is possible

60 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:10:41pm

re: #58 windsagio

I attribute it to bad times and fear of change in general, but yeah right on.

Big gov't is easy to blame, especially with all the Limbaughs and Palins out there.

I predict even more fundamental changes.

I see the next generation of the both the Dems and the GOP responding to constituents and behaving and governing in a more cooperative as opposed to strictly ideological manner.

People want to live their lives- they do not want to fight as is the case all too often now.

61 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:11:05pm

re: #60 researchok

I'm afraid to be that positive, but I hope you're right :D

62 Ghazicide  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:11:20pm

re: #59 albusteve

over 50 seats is not typical, it's historic...the best defense is a good offense and unless we see some from the donks anything is possible

It was closer to 80 seats, and yes it was historic. But so was the economy, and the black guy in the White House. And the fact that after a change in parties in the White House, the mid terms change parties.

I don't see this as a vote for the Tea Party or the GOP, more or less a vote against the status quo and complaint about all of government. If the GOP was in power the Dems would have gained.

If the Tea Party is a viable party and the country really wants to move right the trend will continue in the next election.

63 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:11:50pm

re: #49 researchok

You may be right but I'll bet against that.

A gentleman's bet, then. How does "One Upding" sound?

The GOP politicians may be that myopic but the guy on main street is getting pissed off. He or she want to see a government that6 unites as opposed to one which divides.

That's where the "several punishing election defeats in a row" would come into play, but I don't entirely share you optimistic assessment.

They guy on main street may be getting pissed, but I don't trust him to have a memory longer than the average election cycle.

Here's to hoping you win the bet.

64 austin_blue  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:12:28pm

A) Because their core constituency does.

B) Because the Koch's, et al, pay them to.

C) Because they themselves don't believe in science.

D) Because they hate public education (socialism, dontcha know).

E) Because it personally rewards them economically.

What did I miss? (Yes, I know, a shitpot.)

65 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:12:55pm

re: #61 windsagio

I'm afraid to be that positive, but I hope you're right :D

All I can say is that we con't consider the political influence of the 'Pursuit of Happiness'.

We should.

66 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:13:13pm

re: #60 researchok

I predict even more fundamental changes.

I see the next generation of the both the Dems and the GOP responding to constituents and behaving and governing in a more cooperative as opposed to strictly ideological manner.

People want to live their lives- they do not want to fight as is the case all too often now.

if that kid from LA that challenged Bachman is any indication, I want to agree with you...our gen has everything so fucked up I'd trash them all and start over with high school students...nothing to lose and everything to gain so to speak

67 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:14:30pm

re: #62 BigPapa

And there's evidence that the trend is already reversed.

When the GOP loses a district that's 6 points more republican than the country, and would have failed to come CLOSE to beating the spread in their best-case scenario (its all in the article), things don't look good for them, let alone the Tea Party types.

68 Targetpractice  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:14:33pm

re: #55 researchok

From where I sit, that's right on the money.

A while back Arianna Huffington hit the nail on the head. She had a warning for both the GOP and the Dems. She said something to the effect that the TP was less about politics than it was about attitude. Americans are getting fed up with the status quo.

In 2011, politics is still practiced as it was 40 years ago.

Whether the politicians like it or not, there will be changes/

I think, in a lot of ways, what we're seeing here in the States is what we're seeing overseas, with the proliferation of the Internet changing the political landscape in a lot of ways. Now, when a politician makes a speech, it's ripped apart, analyzed, and fact-checked within a matter of hours after they make it. You can't walk two feet in D.C. now without everyone in the "free world" knowing that you stopped to pick up a penny off the floor.

69 austin_blue  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:14:58pm

re: #65 researchok

All I can say is that we con't consider the political influence of the 'Pursuit of Happiness'.

We should.

Ah, the Social Contract that is the basis of the Constitution. Dream on, you socialist bastard.
//

Pitiful, innit?

70 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:15:07pm

re: #62 BigPapa

It was closer to 80 seats, and yes it was historic. But so was the economy, and the black guy in the White House. And the fact that after a change in parties in the White House, the mid terms change parties.

I don't see this as a vote for the Tea Party or the GOP, more or less a vote against the status quo and complaint about all of government. If the GOP was in power the Dems would have gained.

If the Tea Party is a viable party and the country really wants to move right the trend will continue in the next election.


it's a matter of numbers....even 49% losers are a formidable opponent

71 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:15:53pm

re: #63 Slumbering Behemoth

A gentleman's bet, then. How does "One Upding" sound?

That's where the "several punishing election defeats in a row" would come into play, but I don't entirely share you optimistic assessment.

They guy on main street may be getting pissed, but I don't trust him to have a memory longer than the average election cycle.

Here's to hoping you win the bet.

I'm betting on the guy on Main Street. He or she has proven to be a whole lot smarter than the morons in DC.

Nowadays those voters are called 'Independents' and they are a dangerous lot. They'll kick a politician to the curb in heartbeat if they think he or she is a pandering, ideological fool.

That's why Sarah Palin will never be taken seriously.

72 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:17:33pm

re: #69 austin_blue

Ah, the Social Contract that is the basis of the Constitution. Dream on, you socialist bastard.
//

Pitiful, innit?

DO NOT make me laugh. I had surgery a couple of days ago and I'm still in pain.

73 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:18:32pm

re: #71 researchok

I'm betting on the guy on Main Street. He or she has proven to be a whole lot smarter than the morons in DC.

Nowadays those voters are called 'Independents' and they are a dangerous lot. They'll kick a politician to the curb in heartbeat if they think he or she is a pandering, ideological fool.

That's why Sarah Palin will never be taken seriously.

we hope...but at present she and her ilk are taken quite seriously by their supporters and the MSM....the donks better be ready to rock when the bell rings

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:18:55pm

re: #72 researchok

DO NOT make me laugh. I had surgery a couple of days ago and I'm still in pain.

Oooh! What did ya get? A baboon heart? Bionic pinkie toes? What?

75 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:19:13pm

re: #72 researchok

DO NOT make me laugh. I had surgery a couple of days ago and I'm still in pain.

hey!...get well soon!

76 austin_blue  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:20:06pm

re: #72 researchok

DO NOT make me laugh. I had surgery a couple of days ago and I'm still in pain.

Mea culpa!

(pulls forelock)

77 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:20:39pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

Oooh! What did ya get? A baboon heart? Bionic pinkie toes? What?

Just a slice and dice where it hurts.

And I want to kill the bastard who said 'No big deal, it's just day surgery'.

78 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:22:26pm

re: #77 researchok

Just a slice and dice where it hurts.

And I want to kill the bastard who said 'No big deal, it's just day surgery'.

Get well soon. Heh, recovering from hernia surgery is what allowed me to catch that elusive LGF creature known as "Open Registration".

79 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:22:38pm

re: #73 albusteve

we hope...but at present she and her ilk are taken quite seriously by their supporters and the MSM...the donks better be ready to rock when the bell rings

She's a sideshow,

I took great heart when Giuliani showed well in the polls.

Like him or not, he's a stand up guy and would make a serious candidate.

He's not a caricature.

80 Targetpractice  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:23:02pm

re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth

Get well soon. Heh, recovering from hernia surgery is what allowed me to catch that elusive LGF creature known as "Open Registration".

Geez, we'll let anybody in here...

///

81 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:23:15pm

re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth

Get well soon. Heh, recovering from hernia surgery is what allowed me to catch that elusive LGF creature known as "Open Registration".

Wasn't hernia and I'll leave at that.

82 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:23:36pm

re: #80 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Geez, we'll let anybody in here...

///

Ouch!

83 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:23:53pm

re: #81 researchok

Fair enough. Hope you didn't think I was prying.

84 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:24:47pm

re: #80 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Says the guy from the Class of '04!
///

85 Targetpractice  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:25:40pm

re: #84 Slumbering Behemoth

Says the guy from the Class of '04!
///

Oi! Just because the rest of my compatriots (with notable exceptions) went bug-fuck insane doesn't mean I'm going to...at least not for less than $100K.

86 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:26:46pm

re: #83 Slumbering Behemoth

Fair enough. Hope you didn't think I was prying.

Not at all!

That said, me and my sorry, beat up self is headed for horizontal for a while.

The good news is that I can't eat a whole lot.

I'll make up for it, though. Not to worry.

87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:29:13pm

re: #85 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oi! Just because the rest of my compatriots (with notable exceptions) went bug-fuck insane doesn't mean I'm going to...at least not for less than $100K.

That's what you say now, but you're day will come mister. And you'll rue it.
RUE IT, I SAY!!!
/

88 austin_blue  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:30:06pm

re: #79 researchok

She's a sideshow,

I took great heart when Giuliani showed well in the polls.

Like him or not, he's a stand up guy and would make a serious candidate.

He's not a caricature.

No, but he did run a really, really, stupid campaign last cycle.

Viable? Just sayin'. He obviously needs to upgrade whoever is working for him. The last batch was a bunch who put the MO in morons...

89 Targetpractice  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:30:13pm

re: #87 Slumbering Behemoth

That's what you say now, but you're day will come mister. And you'll rue it.
RUE IT, I SAY!!!
/

"'Rue the day?' Who talks like that?"

/

90 austin_blue  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:32:27pm

re: #81 researchok

Wasn't hernia and I'll leave at that.

Well there's a vas deferens between you before and after the elective surgery.

;-)

91 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:36:32pm

Count me as a Christian with a respect for science.

I think God would want us to learn as much about this planet as we can and learn about proper use of resources and ways to better our lives and help others. It makes sense.

If He gave it to us to be stewards of, it stands to reason He would want us to know all we could about the way things work.

I don't feel a belief in science runs contrary to a belief in God (there ARE old earth creationists you know) because I feel that large parts of scripture are somewhat subjective in nature.

For example who is to say that each "day" of the Genesis account doesn't represent a period of thousands (or millions) of years?

92 Romantic Heretic  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:38:31pm

re: #3 researchok

The GOP hates science because science doesn't allow for the redefinition of reality- and redefining reality has become a priority in too many GOP circles.

I'd say it was the exact opposite. Science is constantly redefining reality and so the GOP, as currently constituted, is opposed to it. The fact that things will be different tomorrow thanks to science is their main objection to it.

93 Obdicut  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:39:15pm

re: #91 dragonfire1981

Just to note: Creationist specifically means in reference to evolution, not just 'is there a creator'.

94 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:41:12pm

re: #17 Charles

Man, I've been getting the ultimate Facebook crash course today. Learning how it works from a user's point of view at the same time as I learn their API as a developer.

Their API history is littered with the burned-out shells of former interfaces.

Sucks, eh?

;-P

95 Gus  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:43:01pm

So I'm drinking a Red Stripe and decide to go out back to toke on a roach and during that time I'm checking out this buck that ignores me by know. Walk around out front to see two doe (I think we have a total of 4 around here) as they notice me and run off with a fairy book hop and skip to their gait. This was like "a moment".

96 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:47:00pm

re: #89 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"'Rue the day?' Who talks like that?"

/

Someone else has seen Real Genius with Val Kilmer and William Atherton, I see...

/one of my 80s "guilty pleasure" movies

97 Gus  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:51:24pm

[Insert Frank Sinatra song here.]

98 Gus  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:57:16pm
99 Gus  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:06:02pm

Some serious cricket action around here.

100 Romantic Heretic  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:48:45pm

re: #96 talon_262

Someone else has seen Real Genius with Val Kilmer and William Atherton, I see...

/one of my 80s "guilty pleasure" movies

One of my faves too.

Welcome to Pacific Tech Smart People On Ice!

101 lostlakehiker  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:06:30am

re: #30 ProLifeLiberal

A good retaliation for these actions, I think, would be the investigations of what Koch gives money to in Blue States. This will inevitably lead to an investigation of the Tea Party.

In addition, investigate NOM.

Investigations should not be a hammer with which to hit whichever party is out of the presidency. They should be for checking whether important laws have been violated in important ways. Period.

102 Thorzdad  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:14:36am

I have to disagree with those saying the neocon/denier/anti-science crowd is on their way out. I see this as more a harbinger of what is yet to come. It's going to get a lot worse before the public at-large comes to their senses and makes the necessary correction for the sake of sanity and the future.

Take the recent tornadoes for instance. I'm already hearing them used as a reason science can't be trusted. That science can't get anything right, so what good is it?

Unfortunately, this country is laboring under the effects of almost 50 years of a concerted war against public education. The results of which (i.e. a highly under-educated population, incapable of serious critical reasoning) have been enabling just this sort of conservative know-nothing-ism, which, in-turn, allows the very worst of the conservative camp to come to the front and lead us even further back to the dark ages. An ignorant population is far easier to lead by invoking fear and bigotry, than it is by reasoned argument.

As I said, I believe this will only get worse before there are any signs of it getting better.


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