Score one for the little green dude.

And the pig.

Mrs. Lawhawk will be so amused by this; she's a huge Muppets fan.

Kermit is my second-favorite fictional candidate for president, Pogo being the first. They'd make a good team.

those ain't no sock puppets ...

Lol.

Haha

re: #1 lawhawk

Score one for the little green dude.

And the pig.

Mrs. Lawhawk will be so amused by this; she's a huge Muppets fan.

The Mrs. Fish is a Muppets fanatic. I must show this to her, for sure.

FoxNews:
We pick fights with muppets.

re: #2 Obdicut

Kermit is my second-favorite fictional candidate for president, Pogo being the first. They'd make a good team.

Mine...

re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mine...

Forbidden

re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mine...

Whoever it is, they don't like remote linking.

Let me guess, Bill the Cat?

Dammit.

Fucking Soros.

re: #7 Varek Raith

FoxNews:
We pick fights with muppets.

And lose.

My nephew just found out that he got a job with the NRA in Fairfax.

He's so excited. Has been building his own guns since he was 15.

Guns scare the shit out of me. But, he did let me shoot his AK once.

Scared the shit out of me. I also ran a chainsaw and a bulldozer on the same day. Manliest day of my life... (glad no one saw my underwear).

I wonder what today's GOP and FOX News would say about Fred Rogers. Watch his speech to Congress defending PBS and try not to tear up. Today's GOPer's would be foaming at the mouth at him though.

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My nephew just found out that he got a job with the NRA in Fairfax.

He's so excited. Has been building his own guns since he was 15.

Guns scare the shit out of me. But, he did let me shoot his AK once.

Scared the shit out of me. I also ran a chainsaw and a bulldozer on the same day. Manliest day of my life... (glad no one saw my underwear).

Good for him. Nice when kids get the jobs they want. It seems to be rare these days.

I love Kermey.

Good delivery by Miss Piggy.

re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mine...

Is there a way to check to see if those will work before we post them? Worked perfectly during preview, and after I posted it.

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is there a way to check to see if those will work before we post them? Worked perfectly during preview, and after I posted it.

For $19.99 a month I can hook you up!
Just give me your credit card #

re: #2 Obdicut

Kermit is my second-favorite fictional candidate for president, Pogo being the first. They'd make a good team.

We have found the enemy, and it is green.

OT: If anyone's interested, there's a live chat right now (11:00 AM EST/8:00 AM PST) about Global Food Security:

Live chat: Can humanity feed itself?

Frances Moore Lappe, author of EcoMind, and Evan Fraser, co-author of Empires of Food, join the Citizen's Kate Heartfield for a live web chat about scarcity, the environment and optimism on Monday at 11 a.m.

Better dead than... green?

Our Nation could have afforded, and can afford now, the steps necessary to close the Frog Gap?

The State Department is infested with amphibians?

re: #22 erik_t

Better dead than... green?

Our Nation could have afforded, and can afford now, the steps necessary to close the Frog Gap?

The State Department is infested with amphibians?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The Soviet bloc weaponized their amphibians?
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re: #23 oaktree

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The Soviet bloc weaponized their amphibians?
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It's worse than that!!!!1

re: #23 oaktree

re: #24 erik_t

Sigh, NATO codenames are so silly.
XD

re: #25 Varek Raith

I swear there are some actual Russian names that were also frog-related. Hell if I can remember the transliteration with this little coffee.

re: #24 erik_t

It's worse than that!!!1

They're even infiltrating our chocolates!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

:)

re: #22 erik_t

Better dead than... green?

Our Nation could have afforded, and can afford now, the steps necessary to close the Frog Gap?

The State Department is infested with amphibians?

...

Beware of the Communist frog of environmentalism! Green on the outside while Red on the inside!

re: #28 Gus 802

What is red and green and goes 90MPH?

Frog in a blender.

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What is red and green and goes 90MPH?

Frog in a blender.

Starting the stopwatch...

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is there a way to check to see if those will work before we post them? Worked perfectly during preview, and after I posted it.

Because it was already in your browser cache. A lot of websites disable remote image linking. The solution for you is to download the image to your own directory, and then upload it using the LGF "Upload Image" utility that Charles has so kindly provided for us.

I guess when you're Ailes's puppet you tend to resent other puppets who have more freedom.

re: #31 Alouette

Because it was already in your browser cache. A lot of websites disable remote image linking. The solution for you is to download the image to your own directory, and then upload it using the LGF "Upload Image" utility that Charles has so kindly provided for us.

Thank you. Was wondering if there was a better way to get images into comments. :0

re: #31 Alouette

But thats... hard and I'm lazy....

Yeah. Don't forget the other great Communist-environmentalist conspiracy film of the last decade. You know, the one with the blue people. The one called Avatar. Yep, Avatar which was distributed by 20th Century Fox.

re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, okay... it's not hard... but it's not as easy... but I guess I need to start doing that.

Well no wonder those damned frogs are Amurrca-hating communists, they're in league with Al Gore and the Big Lie global warming media conspiracy!

Have a great day all!

A year ago today I leaned over, gave my mother a kiss and told her what a great job she had done
Shortly after that, she took her last breath.

We miss you every day mom!

and on that note,, I think I'll go do something she loved doing

SHOP TILL YA DROP!!

You know who else likes frogs. That's right. The French!

I ain't gunna let mah child see this kind of greenie-Communist learnin' and don't plan on takin' mah child to some homersexual owned Disney movie.

Oh yeah. Keep talking to your clueless viewers. Meanwhile:

News Corp. Global Energy Initiative - Video - Cherry Jones' Going Green PSA

One of countless "Going Green" PSAs and initiatives run sponsored by New Corp. which owns Fox Entertainment and 20th Century Fox.

re: #41 Gus 802

Wasn't Doc Hopper marketing frog legs? That implies that at least part of the frog is popular in at least some parts of the States.

Green It. Mean It. - Teen Choice 2010 Goes Green

Fox. Teens. Green.

re: #42 Gus 802

Oh yeah. Keep talking to your clueless viewers. Meanwhile:

News Corp. Global Energy Initiative - Video - Cherry Jones' Going Green PSA

One of countless "Going Green" PSAs and initiatives run sponsored by New Corp. which owns Fox Entertainment and 20th Century Fox.

One would think the hunting/fishing/wildlife demographic would be inclined to support conservation and lower-impact lifestyles and generic green-ness far more than the city-slicker wing of the Democratic party.

This is a disconnect that I truthfully have never, ever understood.

re: #45 erik_t

One would think the hunting/fishing/wildlife demographic would be inclined to support conservation and lower-impact lifestyles and generic green-ness far more than the city-slicker wing of the Democratic party.

This is a disconnect that I truthfully have never, ever understood.

There are some odd political intersections in that area. Conflicting interests concerning public land use (hiking, fishing, trail riding, hunting etc. verses logging and mining), gun control verses hunting, water and land quality, etc. And a general poisoning of the dialogue due to extremists on both sides and an internal conflict in the directives given to the state and federal organizations that manage usage.

Here's the main site if you really want to make your head hurt:

News Corp. Global Energy Initiative

Looks like it was a one year PR campaign primarily targeting News Corp entertainment product demographics.

re: #44 Gus 802

Green It. Mean It. - Teen Choice 2010 Goes Green

Fox. Teens. Green.

Fluoridated Lime Sherbet.
(children's ice cream!)
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From the GEI News Corp page:

Most important, throughout this endeavor we have continued to do what we do best: engage our audiences around the world with the most compelling content. Twentieth Century Fox's Ice Age franchise and the most successful film of all time, Avatar, prove that passionate environmental messages can be fodder for both blockbusters and real-world action, like the million trees planted in 2010 through the Avatar Home Tree initiative. -- Rupert Murdoch

Let's look at this article at Air Hugger:

How Avatar got the most destructive project on earth (tar sands in Canada)- RIGHT!

There’s nothing worse than having to hear the whining and gnashing of teeth, especially when the oil industry feels like THEY got a raw deal. BOO HOO! Well, then of course the whining is worse when it was Big Oil that started the whole hissy fit and continues to throw gasoline on the fire!

Latest case in point: The oil industry’s claim that Avatar got the extractive mining of tar sands in Alberta all wrong. In case you haven’t heard about the real world example that James Cameron drew upon for his fable about the raping and plundering of a planet and people for a precious substance buried in the ground, please check out the National Geographic feature or dirtyoilsands.org.

So Avatar and National Geographic helped put out the word against "big oil" projects like Keystone XL and the tar sands production in Canada. Both Avatar and Nat Geo are News Corp products.

re: #40 sattv4u2

and on that note,, I think I'll go do something she loved doing

SHOP TILL YA DROP!!

plan delayed

Wifey heard/ sensed the word SHOP and has volunteered to accompany me (after she has a bite to eat ,, a cup of tea ,, showers ,, does her hair ,, her make-up,,,,)

re: #50 sattv4u2

plan delayed

Wifey heard/ sensed the word SHOP and has volunteered to accompany me (after she has a bite to eat ,, a cup of tea ,, showers ,, does her hair ,, her make-up,,,)

e_e

women...

Short version: News Corp is talking out of both ends yet again.

This is all over the wingnut blogs:

Described as protesters burning the flag and reciting:

I pledge allegiance to a flag of the imperialistic, capitalistic dictatorship.

And to the plutocracy for which it stands, depravity owned central bank, under the Jews.

With inequality and injustice for the 99.

Now, nothing would surprise me from the current rotten corpse of Occupy, but this clip is just a montage of several sequences with an unknown person narrating these words off the screen. There's no source of the video, no provenance, not a slightest sign that the narrator for the clip has anything to do with Occupy.

That's kinda pathetic.

re: #52 Gus 802

Short version: News Corp is talking out of both ends yet again.

Broad based media and messages in order to maximize profit. Not surprising at all. And if 20th Century FOX thought that Cameron's hi-tech opus was going to make a mint are you surprised that they would desire to be the distributor and get their slice of that pie?

And not something I have an issue with. My issues are with blatant lying and propaganda, regardless of who is doing it.

So keep in mind that News Corp released the "environmentalist" movie, Avatar. Disney released the "environmentalist" movie, The Muppets.

Now who are Hulu business partners?

Fox Entertainment Group (31%)
Disney-ABC Television Group (27%)

So Fox and Disney both own roughly a third of Hulu.

re: #53 Sergey Romanov

This is all over the wingnut blogs:

[Video]
Described as protesters burning the flag and reciting:

Now, nothing would surprise me from the current rotten corpse of Occupy, but this clip is just a montage of several sequences with an unknown person narrating these words off the screen. There's no source of the video, no provenance, not a slightest sign that the narrator for the clip has anything to do with Occupy.

That's kinda pathetic.

Are you implying that this clip is a false flag operation? Only liberals do that.
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Best moment when every reporter there (albeit from the showbiz world) laughed at the "fox news not news" joke.

In another part of the news conference Kermit is asked about having started out as a journalist on Seasame Street news and the ethics of phone hacking.

Well lookie here. The Muppets at Fox Entertainment Group's (1/3rd share) Hulu channel.

Go figure.

re: #57 wozzablog

Best moment when every reporter there (albeit from the showbiz world) laughed at the "fox news not news" joke.

In another part of the news conference Kermit is asked about having started out as a journalist on Seasame Street news and the ethics of phone hacking.

[Video]

I wonder if he ever asked the Count to show his green card or long form birth certifcate. (With its one... two... ahaha! three pages!)

re: #54 oaktree

Broad based media and messages in order to maximize profit. Not surprising at all. And if 20th Century FOX thought that Cameron's hi-tech opus was going to make a mint are you surprised that they would desire to be the distributor and get their slice of that pie?

And not something I have an issue with. My issues are with blatant lying and propaganda, regardless of who is doing it.

Yep. I'm looking at the moral and ethical inconsistency of the New Corp organization. This involves "blatant lying and propaganda" on the part of Fox News. At least other organizations like ABC, CBS, and NBC have a more reliable or consistent set of moral and ethical principles.

So basically News Corp would be like a Catholic church also owning a whore house on the other side of town.

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My nephew just found out that he got a job with the NRA in Fairfax.

He's so excited. Has been building his own guns since he was 15.

Guns scare the shit out of me. But, he did let me shoot his AK once.

Scared the shit out of me. I also ran a chainsaw and a bulldozer on the same day. Manliest day of my life... (glad no one saw my underwear).

I'm struggling with what to say. I'm very pro-gun (paid off my Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt this morning) but hate the NRA and how it hurts gun culture in America.

FBV, I hope he's happy, successful and that he is able to use the experience to find an even better job within the firearms industry. Ask him to never forget that all different kinds of Americans like guns.

re: #61 Gus 802

So basically News Corp would be like a Catholic church also owning a whore house on the other side of town.

Your bringing a fine tradition into disrepute there.

Oh. Never mind.

re: #53 Sergey Romanov

OK, looking further, the author of this video seems to be the same guy who runs that YT account, and he claims to be an Occupy participant in other videos. If so, as I said, not surprising. The movement is currently full of extremists. But this is not some kind of an "Occupy pledge of allegiance", as Dim Hoft claims, and this is not recited by the crowd, as the freepers claim.

re: #53 Sergey Romanov

This is all over the wingnut blogs:

[Video]Described as protesters burning the flag and reciting:

Now, nothing would surprise me from the current rotten corpse of Occupy, but this clip is just a montage of several sequences with an unknown person narrating these words off the screen. There's no source of the video, no provenance, not a slightest sign that the narrator for the clip has anything to do with Occupy.

That's kinda pathetic.

A quick check of his youtube channel he looks like a genuine OWS supporter and participant who's been uplaoding videos for a while. Looks genuine to me, I'm not surprised.

re: #64 Sergey Romanov

OK, looking further, the author of this video seems to be the same guy who runs that YT account, and he claims to be an Occupy participant in other videos. If so, as I said, not surprising. The movement is currently full of extremists. But this is not some kind an "Occupy pledge of allegiance", as Dim Hoft claims, and this is not recited by the crowd, as the freepers claim.

It's also interesting to see the effects of the violent protests this weekend. Site like Dkos had been slowly moving away from OWS until this weekend's violence but yesterday there was an outpouring of support and claims of police state fascist oppression. The more violence the protesters use, the more support the lefties give. Sad and stupid.

re: #65 Killgore Trout

A quick check of his youtube channel he looks like a genuine OWS supporter and participant who's been uplaoding videos for a while. Looks genuine to me, I'm not surprised.

Check out his youtube favourites. He is a zietgiest, Gold standard dude who believes in UFOs.
There was definitely some Zietgiest supporter presense at Occupy sites. Its a very mixed group, which is obviously why there was trouble congealing around a few concrete objectives.

re: #67 Alexzander

Self-identified Marxist.

re: #67 Alexzander

Check out his youtube favourites. He is a zietgiest, Gold standard dude who believes in UFOs.
There was definitely some Zietgiest supporter presense at Occupy sites. Its a very mixed group, which is obviously why there was trouble congealing around a few concrete objectives.

You mean to tell me that there's a weirdo on You Tube?

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re: #66 Killgore Trout

The more violence the protesters use, the more support the lefties give. Sad and stupid.

That would imply that in the last few weeks, I should have been seeing more and more OWS discussion. I don't even remember the last present-tense OWS article I saw -- of late, it's generally been retrospective OWS-changed-discussion-from-deficit-to-inequality sorts of articles.

Wow. The Costa Concordia's gonna be hard to move.

Didn't see that coming.

re: #66 Killgore Trout

It's also interesting to see the effects of the violent protests this weekend. Site like Dkos had been slowly moving away from OWS until this weekend's violence but yesterday there was an outpouring of support and claims of police state fascist oppression. The more violence the protesters use, the more support the lefties give. Sad and stupid.

Stupid is as stupid destroys.

re: #66 Killgore Trout

I didn't follow the events over the weekend over in Oakland nearly as much as I probably should have, but there have been ongoing calls of excessive force by the police out there - so those kinds of claims aren't exactly out of line.

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

re: #69 Gus 802

You mean to tell me that there's a weirdo on You Tube?

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You mean to tell me that humans were planted on earth by aliens from planet Nibiru?

What a square man! Get learned!

According to Sitchin, Nibiru (called "the twelfth planet" because, Sitchin claimed, the Sumerians' gods-given conception of the Solar System counted all eight planets, plus Pluto, the Sun and the Moon) was the home of a technologically advanced human-like extraterrestrial race called the Anunnaki in Sumerian myth, who Sitchin states are called the Nephilim in Genesis. He wrote that they evolved after Nibiru entered the solar system and first arrived on Earth probably 450,000 years ago, looking for minerals, especially gold, which they found and mined in Africa. Sitchin states that these "gods" were the rank-and-file workers of the colonial expedition to Earth from planet Nibiru.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I'm left of center. I don't read Daily Kos. Never even bookmarked them. I also don't support OWS any longer.

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ew, you made me click on HuffPo.

But I'm actually surprised they can do it that fast. Hundred-thousand-ton land objects tend to be hard to move, especially when you don't want them shedding bits of crap all over. And of course you need to actually put it somewhere, which means making it float in a safe and reliable manner, but of course you can't test it until game time so you'd better be doubly damned sure...

re: #68 Sergey Romanov

Self-identified Marxist.

Who likely also supports Ron Paul, the freemarket and the gold standard? I suppose he is also endowed the superpower of not being afflicted by cognitive dissonance.

re: #77 Alexzander

Who likely also supports Ron Paul, the freemarket and the gold standard? I suppose he is also endowed the superpower of not being afflicted by cognitive dissonance.

So if he supports Ron Paul then he's really a Republican.

Initiate the no true Scotsman procedure immediately!

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re: #73 lawhawk

I didn't follow the events over the weekend over in Oakland nearly as much as I probably should have, but there have been ongoing calls of excessive force by the police out there - so those kinds of claims aren't exactly out of line.

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

The OWS protesters in NYC may be looking for a showdown with the police as well.

Occupy Wall Street Journalist Tim Pool Hit By Masked Man Last Night

​Hundreds of people marched through Manhattan last night to protest the mass arrests in Oakland the day before. In some ways, the action was a lot like many Occupy Wall Street marches that have come before -- chanting, weaving through neighborhoods, occasionally sprinting to outflank the police, finally petering out.

But there were some new elements too: More of the protesters wore black and masked their faces, a protest tactic called Black Bloc that makes it harder for police to pick individuals out of the crowd. Snapple-bottles and soda cans were thrown at police. And a well-known video journalist was assaulted by a masked marcher.

...

The days of peaceful OWS protests are slowly becoming an opportunity for violence. How sad.

re: #77 Alexzander

Who likely also supports Ron Paul, the freemarket and the gold standard? I suppose he is also endowed the superpower of not being afflicted by cognitive dissonance.

I'm not quite sure if he supports Paul. He's probably black, from what I gleaned from his vids. Altho...

re: #80 Sergey Romanov

I'm not quite sure if he supports Paul. He's probably black, from what I gleaned from his vids. Altho...

I didn't actually watch any of his videos to be honest. I'm half-heartedly trying to finish a chapter for a reading group that starts in 30 minutes. Not too motivated as the book is quite uninspired in my opinion.

Meanwhile, the OWS DC encampment faced a noon deadline to cease and desist camping as the NPS begins enforcing already existing rules prohibiting those activities.

Officers would be on site to monitor the situation and try to get protesters to comply, Carol Johnson, a Park Service spokeswoman, told msnbc.com on Friday. Compliance entails removing all camping materials and leaving one side of all temporary structures open.

“People can be there 24 hours a day, but they can’t live there, they can’t sleep there,” she said.

“We still do back the First Amendment, and it is their right. It is not their right to camp. And ... we would, you know, support them if they came into compliance and they had a vigil and they had tents that were there for logistical or symbolic purposes,” she added. "They can occupy as a vigil but not camping."

More than 80 arrests have occurred at the two sites, including for public urination, drunkenness, assault and drug use, she noted.

Some people were leaving, but others were defiant. That follows claims yesterday that police tasered someone who was already handcuffed (but video later shows that not to be the case).

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

1st (and possibly most dangerous) step is to remove of 500,000 gallons of fuel
They can't/won't/shouldn't do that in anything but good weather/sea conditions

That alone could take weeks if not months

re: #79 NJDhockeyfan

The OWS protests at Zuccotti Park were peaceful (and yes, there was an occasional criminal act in and between protest occupiers), but the violent confrontations were not at the park. They were involving marches and actions elsewhere in the city - whether it was crowds going to and from Wall Street, Union Square or Washington Square.

It's not surprising that a more extremist group carried out violence and is trying to avoid police detection by using masks (which IIRC is a crime in NYS by itself).

re: #15 DesertDenizen

I wonder what today's GOP and FOX News would say about Fred Rogers. Watch his speech to Congress defending PBS and try not to tear up. Today's GOPer's would be foaming at the mouth at him though.

Today's GOP foams at the mouth over everything. LOL

Leaderless movements, huh. The reasonable way would be to stop and marinate OWS through the winter and not let it get infested. Of course, when it's leaderless, it's impossible. Better if some org like MoveOn was the central organizer from the beginning, and would (somehow) enforce some standards/rules. Eh.

re: #76 erik_t

It's hard to fathom how difficult moving it was going to be. I figured they'd just salvage what they could off of it. Remove the things that would float (mattresses and the like) or leak into the ocean (fuel, freon) then drag it a bit off shore and sink it.

Guess that can't be done.

re: #77 Alexzander

Who likely also supports Ron Paul, the freemarket and the gold standard? I suppose he is also endowed the superpower of not being afflicted by cognitive dissonance.

A lot of people are. It's hardly a superpower.

Also, a shitload of people out there who think that 'Marxist' just means 'I believe in smashing the present order', or 'I believe in DEEP things that regular people don't know about.'

Owned by puppets....

re: #86 Sergey Romanov

Leaderless movements, huh. The reasonable way would be to marinate OWS through the winter and not let it get infested. Of course, when it's leaderless, it's impossible. Better if some org like MoveOn was the central organizer from the beginning, and would (somehow) enforce some standards/rules. Eh.

Why bother. ;) I can't even watch any of the OWS stuff with the volume on mute.

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

or 'I believe in DEEP things that regular people don't know about.'

"... only my alien friends know."

re: #73 lawhawk

I didn't follow the events over the weekend over in Oakland nearly as much as I probably should have, but there have been ongoing calls of excessive force by the police out there - so those kinds of claims aren't exactly out of line.

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

That's been going on for decades in Oakland. It's one reason frightened, voyeuristic rwnj cries from their own locked-down, gated communities about Occupy fall on deaf ears - they never know jack about the shyt they are talking about.

Specifically, though, you're probably talking about the recent ruling bringing in a federal monitor.

Oakland Police Get a Federal Monitor

U.S. District Judge Thelton Henderson for the Northern District of California on Tuesday issued an order granting far-reaching powers to Robert Warshaw, an independent consultant and former federal drug-enforcement official, in a move stemming from the settlement of a 2000 case involving allegations of planted evidence.

...

Under the settlement, an independent expert was also put in place to monitor the police force's rate of progress in complying with the new conduct codes. The expert would remain until the department showed it was in compliance with the codes. Mr. Warshaw was appointed as the independent expert in 2010.

But after a string of missed deadlines for instituting overhauls, compounded by leadership changes at the police force, the situation has dragged into its ninth year. In a report earlier this month, Mr. Warshaw said Oakland police failed to identify problem officers and to provide additional training and intervention, among other things.

Ohh, the frightened, gun-clinging, cops-can-never-do-anything-wrong/just-a-few-bad-apples confederates are really gonna luuvvv a federal monitor of their favorite pets... /Schadenfreude

re: #90 Gus 802

Why bother. ;) I can't even watch any of the OWS stuff with the volume on mute.

First you're trying to herd cats. Not easy in itself. But then hyenas join. Goodbye. ;)

We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out

But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right

The Beatles - Revolution

re: #91 Sergey Romanov

"... only my alien friends know."

"And my next door neighbors dog (he told me so)."

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

After the fuel is removed they'll actually have several options

Closing the holes in the hull and then trying to shift the ballast and 'upright" the vessel, then tow it to a dry dock

Putting a floatation device around it and moving to port that way (again, after closing the hole in the hull)

Cutting it up where it sits and take it away in pieces

All time consuming,, all fraught with negatives ,, all predicated on getting the fuel removed 1st

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If nothing else, it's hard to pull something stuck on solid rock when all you have to push against is fluid.

/video of attempting to push car up icy hill goes here

re: #86 Sergey Romanov

Leaderless movements, huh.

When have those ever worked, really. I mean, outside of Spartacus (1960), I don't know of any.

/

re: #93 Sergey Romanov

First you're trying to herd cats. Not easy in itself. But then hyenas join. Goodbye. ;)

I sure as heck don't want to figure it out for them. I'm too much of an anti-Puritopian to even be associated with them -- as I'm sure I've displayed on numerous occasions here at LGF. ;) Their problem, their scene, and it's not mine.

This kind of reminds me of the "Pox News" parody Sesame Street had back in 2009 which upset a lot of folks on the Right and triggered a number of liberal bias segments on Fox. Sesame Street mostly diffused the controversy by playing to Bill O'Reilly's ego :P -->

Word of the day:

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

1. Puritopian 37 up, 6 down
A Puritopian is a self-described liberal or progressive whose political orientation is to be angry, dissatisfied and unhappy with the state of the nation, because in their view, liberal policies are not being implemented quickly or forcefully enough. They have particular contempt for Democratic presidents.

They are ideological purists who disdain compromise and incremental change, which they see as "selling out" liberal ideas like full employment, an end to war, and liberal social policy. Their views can often sound like utopian fantasy where opposing views never exist.

Puritopians dislike Republicans but reserve their greatest disdain for Democratic presidents, whom they relentlessly attack for not meeting a set of ideological goal posts that are constantly adjusted to ensure that the president will be deemed a disappointment, "not progressive enough" or "just like a Republican" no matter what policy achievements are made.

Puritopians routinely dismiss or ignore congress' role in making or impeding policy, believing presidents can simply "use the bully pulpit" in order to overcome constitutional or legislative obstacles.

Puritopians have an affinity for 3rd party politics as a way to punish Democratic presidents. They are especially hostile to President Obama and deem anyone who expresses a lack of ill will toward him to be "Obamabots" and enemies of liberalism.

2. Puritopian 8 up, 33 down
c. 2012 A useless, infantile twitter term made up by twitter trolls meaning people who have too much "pureness" in their liberalism. Specifically to used against anyone who is a democrat and questions the current Administration in the Whitehouse

;)

re: #101 Sergey Romanov

Word of the day:

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

;)

Love it. Shoq wrote that. And the last "late" entry has 8 up, 34 down. ;)

re: #97 erik_t

If nothing else, it's hard to pull something stuck on solid rock when all you have to push against is fluid.

/video of attempting to push car up icy hill goes here

"Yakety Sax" playing in the background.

re: #102 Gus 802

Do Puritopians subsist on Purina? Cool cats. //

re: #102 Gus 802

Love it. Shoq wrote that. And the last "late" entry has 8 up, 34 down. ;)

More or less, the new reincarnation of Naderites.

re: #105 Sergey Romanov

More or less, the new reincarnation of Naderites.

Related:

From the People Who Brought You Richard Nixon & George W. Bush

...If you are a self-described liberal or progressive anticipating the 2012 presidential election, then you need to beware. For Lucy is coming and she brings her football with her. The same Puritopians who helped elect Richard Nixon president and who practically gave the 2000 election away to George W. Bush, now want to persuade you that the reelection of Barak Obama is not a momentous and meaningful prospect.

Here is Glenn Greenwald, one of the more popular voices of Puritopia...

re: #106 Gus 802

Our Tea Party.

Newt Gingrich vows to press on regardless of Florida outcome

Regardless of the outcome, the results can only be positive. Let him draw as much blood as possible.

My daughter moved out. I've been so gleeful... empty house... and clean...

My own bathroom. So wonderful not having to share it with "the woman".

She made it through ONE RENT CYCLE! Now she's moving back in.

I love her. But? Damn.

re: #107 Sergey Romanov

Our Tea Party.

Just noticed the "Barak" spelling error or typo. In current events "Barak" would remind me of Ehud Barak.

re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My daughter moved out. I've been so gleeful... empty house... and clean...

My own bathroom. So wonderful not having to share it with "the woman".

She made it through ONE RENT CYCLE! Now she's moving back in.

I love her. But? Damn.

Better go put the seat down before she yells at you

re: #110 Gus 802

Barak (English pronunciation: /ˈbɛəræk/ or /ˈbɛərək/[1]; Hebrew: בָּרָק‎‎, Tiberian: Bārāq, "Lightning; Shine"), Al-Burāq (Arabic: البُراق‎ al-Burāq "lightning")

re: #107 Sergey Romanov

Our Tea Party.

...

Down with capitalism!

Ummm. No.

OT:
Faux news is trying to follow up on the honour killing coverage in Canada over the weekend with a nice piece on a man in Afghanistan who killed his wife because she gave birth to a daughter rather than son.

"It was the latest in a series of grisly examples of subjugation of women that have made headlines in Afghanistan in the past few months" (forget that such atrocities are nothing new in the third world, and are more about poverty, traditional roles and culture than religion )

If only they could direct their concern for the subjugation of women to Florida and the GOP as they continue their assault on the rights of women, and on equal rights for gays.

Obama's parents met in 1960 in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa, where his father was a foreign student on scholarship.

Figures!!!!1 //

re: #103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Yakety Sax" playing in the background.

Yakety Sax plus anything strongly implies that the "anything" was being done without pants.

re: #114 Petero1818

I agree-ish.

But you gotta admit... As far as rights go, a Floridian woman or gay is a long way ahead of an Afghan gay or woman.

That's a silly comparison, I know. Incomparable.

re: #114 Petero1818

This??

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

it happened IN Canada

He, his wife and son have been convicted of killing his three daughters as well as his "second" (childless) wife

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I agree-ish.

But you gotta admit... As far as rights go, a Floridian woman or gay is a long way ahead of an Afghan gay or woman.

That's a silly comparison, I know. Incomparable.

And yet, the people doing the most whining about living here are always the confederates and the social bigots, since they can't have their states rights mullahocracy anymore. Interesting.

re: #15 DesertDenizen

I wonder what today's GOP and FOX News would say about Fred Rogers. Watch his speech to Congress defending PBS and try not to tear up. Today's GOPer's would be foaming at the mouth at him though.

They liked Fred when they thought he was a special forces soldier in his pre-Mr. Rogers days. But snopes.com put the kibosh on that rumor.

re: #101 Sergey Romanov

Fundamtentalists are fundamentalist.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Two wrongs means you have two things that are wrong.

//

re: #120 Tigger2005

They liked Fred when they thought he was a special forces soldier in his pre-Mr. Rogers days. But snopes.com put the kibosh on that rumor.

The long sleeves cover the tattoos!

re: #120 Tigger2005

Between his support for public television and the fact the he "Likes you just the way you are" the current right-wing would hate him. Speaking as an avowed atheist, Fred Rogers provides the perfect example of what a "Good Christian" should be.

Yikes! A Greenwald LGF page! Run for them hills!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I agree-ish.

But you gotta admit... As far as rights go, a Floridian woman or gay is a long way ahead of an Afghan gay or woman.

That's a silly comparison, I know. Incomparable.

The situations can't be compared, but at the same time, Americans actually have some control over what goes on in Florida.

Being concerned about women's issues in both regions, as different as they are, would indicate a certain...consistency of thought.

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I agree-ish.

But you gotta admit... As far as rights go, a Floridian woman or gay is a long way ahead of an Afghan gay or woman.

That's a silly comparison, I know. Incomparable.

We should focus on both. Because we're for equal rights, etc. etc.
Fox? Not so much.

There it is. Another perfect example from the King of Puritopia. Already you can see the argument. Yeah. Leon Panetta is just like the rest of them!

//

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I agree-ish.

But you gotta admit... As far as rights go, a Floridian woman or gay is a long way ahead of an Afghan gay or woman.

That's a silly comparison, I know. Incomparable.

Indeed. But Fox apparently is VERY concerned with the rights of Afghan women, and somehow, slightly less concerned with the plight of American ones. Seems to me this may be about something other than women's rights....but that is just me.

re: #122 Gus 802

Two wrongs don't make a right. Two wrongs means you have two things that are wrong.

//

(two Wrights made an airplane)

A gasbag hypocrite says what?

Gingrich urges students to get part-time jobs — apparently unlike himself

Asked about the high cost of college, Gingrich said that today’s students are being coddled, with luxury dorms and lavish extras, such as lobster nights in their dining halls. And he praised institutions such as the University of the Ozarks that incorporate work into their financial aid programs.

“Students take fewer classes per semester. They take more years to get through. Why? Because they have free money,” Gingrich said. “I would tell students: ‘Get through as quick as you can. Borrow as little as you can. Have a part-time job.’ But that’s very different from the culture that has grown up in the last 20 years.”

Or maybe it is not so very different.

In a 1995 profile for Vanity Fair, author Gail Sheehy discovered that Gingrich financed his own education largely via the hard work of this then-wife. When things got tight, finding a job was not high on his to-do list. Sheehy wrote that Gingrich turned first to his adoptive father for help, and then to his biological one.

re: #118 sattv4u2

This??

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

it happened IN Canada

He, his wife and son have been convicted of killing his three daughters as well as his "second" (childless) wife

I haven't seen the evidence...from what I understand the prosecution argued that the victims were already dead before being placed in the car, which was then pushed into a lake or river to make it look like an accident. Did they demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that they were dead before going into the water?

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The long sleeves cover the tattoos!

Who knew the sweater was really a flak jacket!!
/

re: #130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(two Wrights made an airplane)

Three rights make a left turn.

//

re: #125 Gus 802

Yikes! A Greenwald LGF page! Run for them hills!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Mikey is an interesting mixed bag of views, that's for sure.

re: #130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(two Wrights made an airplane)

Apparently their sister helped fund them.

re: #15 DesertDenizen

I wonder what today's GOP and FOX News would say about Fred Rogers.

Wonder no more.

re: #131 Lidane

A gasbag hypocrite says what?

Gingrich urges students to get part-time jobs — apparently unlike himself

No, students take fewer classes and take longer to get through because they're working, Newt, you insufferable moron.

re: #132 Tigger2005

I haven't seen the evidence...from what I understand the prosecution argued that the victims were already dead before being placed in the car, which was then pushed into a lake or river to make it look like an accident. Did they demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that they were dead before going into the water?

I wasn't in the courtroom

I read the story I linked

Apparently, the jury and judge believed that to be the case

re: #124 DesertDenizen

I heart Fred Rogers. I think he was just about the best person a person can be.

re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I heart Fred Rogers. I think he was just about the best person a person can be.

So...you'd have been willing to be his neighbor?

re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I heart Fred Rogers. I think he was just about the best person a person can be.

He had his wild side

Image: mr.rogers2.jpg

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re: #131 Lidane

A gasbag hypocrite says what?

Gingrich urges students to get part-time jobs — apparently unlike himself

But liberal ivory tower university intellectuals are not expected to work! And remember that Newt was positioning himself to be one of those initially.

Ray: Personally, I liked the university. They gave us money and facilities, we didn't have to produce anything! You've never been out of college! You don't know what it's like out there! I've *worked* in the private sector. They expect *results*.

re: #141 EmmmieG

So...you'd have been willing to be his neighbor?

No. He's dead.

But, I try to be as neighborly as he was.

I love how these "sovereign citizen" types are quick to ask for a government handout:

Judge: Bailed Hutaree Defendants Can Stay In Jail If They Can’t Afford Trial Lodging

Three defendants in the Hutaree militia case will not be staying in a taxpayer funded hotel for the duration of their trial, a federal judge has decided, but can instead take lodging in the local prison if they’re too hard up to afford other accommodations.

On Friday, U.S. District Judge Victoria Roberts rejected a request by defendants David Brian Stone, Jr., Tina Mae Stone and Kristopher Sickles to be reimbursed for hotel lodging expenses they expect to incur, because, as they say, they can’t afford to pay the cost of transportation to and from the trial.

re: #131 Lidane

That's rich.

re: #144 oaktree

Ghostbusters ding.

re: #132 Tigger2005

I haven't seen the evidence...from what I understand the prosecution argued that the victims were already dead before being placed in the car, which was then pushed into a lake or river to make it look like an accident. Did they demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that they were dead before going into the water?

There was evidence suggesting they were drowned elsewhere, but I don't think it was proven either way at trial. There was an enormous amount of circumstantial evidence including a confession of the brother at one point that he accidentally pushed their car into the water, and was so scared of his parents reaction that he just went home and didn't tell anyone. He later even denied that. They had motive, opportunity, and were unable to explain their actions in any coherent or believable way. The fact that the jury found them guilty BARD in such a short time spoke to the strength of the evidence circumstantial or not.

Rasmussen wants Gingrich VERY badly.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

In potential Election 2012 matchups, it’s President Obama 47% and Romney 41%. However, if Gingrich is his Republican opponent, the president holds a double-digit lead, 52% to 35%.

LOL is all I can muster. What a joke.

Stephen Zunes, meanwhile, has popped up on Tikkun to announce that Unarmed Resistance Still Syria's Best Hope.

re: #149 Petero1818

There was evidence suggesting they were drowned elsewhere, but I don't think it was proven either way at trial.

They were "extra-drowned"?

re: #132 Tigger2005

I haven't seen the evidence...from what I understand the prosecution argued that the victims were already dead before being placed in the car, which was then pushed into a lake or river to make it look like an accident. Did they demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that they were dead before going into the water?

They had a lot of wiretaps.

re: #144 oaktree

But liberal ivory tower university intellectuals are not expected to work! And remember that Newt was positioning himself to be one of those initially.

Ray: Personally, I liked the university. They gave us money and facilities, we didn't have to produce anything! You've never been out of college! You don't know what it's like out there! I've *worked* in the private sector. They expect *results*.

As someone who worked her way through college, I'm trying to come up with an appropriate answer that isn't hydrochloric acid level of snarky.

Can't find one.

re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They were "extra-drowned"?

That was the prosecution's theory. That they were drowned in one place and were likely dead when the car hit the water, forced in by the brother's vehicle pushing it. The reason being, that the water was shallow, the window open, and the position of the bodies, it did not make sense that they could not escape the car. Also there was bruising on their bodies that suggested the above scenario.

re: #101 Sergey Romanov

Thank you for this. I just dropped it on a some yahoos who need to hear it ;)

re: #156 wlewisiii

Thank you for this. I just dropped it on a some yahoos who need to hear it ;)

At one of those far left forums, I suppose? ;)

re: #153 Sergey Romanov

They had a lot of wiretaps.

In some respects this was like a Casey Anthony trial but with wiretaps that were VERY damaging to the defense (and arguably better evidence). Justice system is a funny thing. The trial of Casey Anthony proved that sometimes the system gets the law right, and comes to clearly the wrong answer. The Canadian system shows that sometimes the system is flawed and open to human elements, but ultimately came the the right conclusion.

No Love For Rick — Florida’s Governor Keeps Low Profile Ahead Of State’s Primary

Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) has kept a low profile in the weeks leading up to his state’s Republican presidential primary. And that’s probably for good reason: It’s no stretch to say Scott is one of the most disliked governors in the U.S. His disapproval rating peaked at almost 60 percent and currently hovers in the mid-40s.

Given those numbers, it’s not surprising that Scott’s endorsement “is not sought very intensely by the candidates,” University of Miami Associate Professor of Political Science Gregory Koger told TPM. It could “hurt as much as help,” he said.

The Journal Hires Dentists To Do Heart Surgery

Most Of The Scientists Who Signed The Op-Ed Do Not Actually Publish Peer-Reviewed Climate Research. Of the 16 scientists who signed the op-ed, no more than 4 have published peer-reviewed research related to climate change, according to the SCOPUS database. While they may be prominent in their own fields, their credibility on the science of global warming is not comparable to that of researchers who specialize in this area. For instance, Jan Breslow is a physician, Burt Rutan is a retired airplane designer, Harrison Schmitt is a retired astronaut and former Republican politician, and Edward David is a retired electrical engineer, among others whose expertise lies elsewhere.

re: #157 Sergey Romanov

At one of those far left forums, I suppose? ;)

Medium ~ far left :) One of the very few leftist gun nut hangouts. Got a couple of Puritopians there; I doubt they'll be amused :LOL:

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently their sister helped fund them.

That figures. The brothers had a bicycle shop.

re: #161 wlewisiii

Medium ~ far left :) One of the very few leftist gun nut hangouts. Got a couple of Puritopians there; I doubt they'll be amused :LOL:

Hah! One of them played the obamabot card with a link to youtube. "Cult of Personality".

I long for an age where our politicians are genuine intellectuals.

re: #164 Alexzander

I long for an age where our politicians are genuine intellectuals.

HERETIC!

According to the prosecutor, there was no such camera. But police led the family to believe there might be one for the purpose of recording their conversation.

On the way back to Montreal, on a recording played for the jury Thursday, the three accused discuss the possibility there might be a video. They quickly dismiss any notion of its existence.

"No, had there been one there, they would have checked it first thing and they would have held you to account that night," Shafia is heard saying.

Yahya says it was pitch black outside and there was no glimmer of light. She says the police are lying and Shafia agrees.

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

re: #164 Alexzander

I long for an age where our politicians are genuine intellectuals.

I long for an age where most of them aren't corporatist sonofabitches.

OT: I hope Rance Priebus is ousted over his remarks on the weekend. The only thing better than watching the GOP field implode is watching the implosion of the whole GOP machine that will accompany it.

When Romney loses the general election the 2016 GOP field will make this field look like a Black Panther support group.

re: #164 Alexzander

I long for an age where our politicians are genuine intellectuals.

I don't. I long for an age when one is smart enough to know his/her limitations. Surrounds him or herself with many intellectuals, draw on their expertise and execute according to a logical and coherent strategy. Intellectuals are not necessarily capable of leading or managing, their value is in their ability to interpret the world around them and suggest a course of action. Not to execute that course of action.

re: #167 Obdicut

I long for an age where most of them aren't corporatist sonofabitches.

@BarackObama Barack Obama
The Senate is set to vote today on a bill banning insider trading by members of Congress. Support it now: [Link: OFA.BO...]

re: #118 sattv4u2

This??

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

it happened IN Canada

He, his wife and son have been convicted of killing his three daughters as well as his "second" (childless) wife

It had nothing to do with honour and less about Canada. It was about a bunch of control freaks who destroyed something they regarded as property and said property was getting uppity.

The perps just happened to be Afghani Muslims this time. But it's no different than the thousands of domestic homicides that occur all over the world every year.

re: #121 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Fundamtentalists are fundamentalist.

An on-line friend of mine refers to them as Funny-mentalists.

Brewer Has History Of Getting Facts Wrong

Back in 2010 as she defended her state’s harsh immigration law, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) told a newspaper reporter that she was deeply hurt by the terrible names people were calling her. The worst, she said, were the comparisons to the Nazis.

“They are awful,” she said. “Knowing that my father died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany, that I lost him when I was 11 because of that…and then to have them call me Hitler’s daughter. It hurts. It’s ugliness beyond anything I’ve ever experienced.”

The problem, as many discovered after the quote went viral, was that it wasn’t true. Brewer’s father had in fact died of lung disease in California in 1955, a decade after WWII ended.

re: #170 Gus 802

@BarackObama Barack Obama
The Senate is set to vote today on a bill banning insider trading by members of Congress. Support it now: [Link: OFA.BO...]

He's trying. And a good example of why the Puritopians have their heads up their asses. Obama never goes as far as I'd like, but he nearly always goes in the right direction.

re: #173 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lying about your own father's death for political gain? Yowza. That's crazy.

re: #169 Petero1818

Hmmm, sounds like you're looking for a manager, like maybe an MBA. Didn't we try that once before?

re: #171 Romantic Heretic

It had nothing to do with honour and less about Canada. It was about a bunch of control freaks who destroyed something they regarded as property and said property was getting uppity.

The perps just happened to be Afghani Muslims this time. But it's no different than the thousands of domestic homicides that occur all over the world every year.

As usual they largely focus on this because of the suspects religion and nationality. Do they pay attention to the countless other crimes perpetrated domestically and abroad with equal veracity? The answer of course is no.

re: #175 Obdicut

Lying about your own father's death for political gain? Yowza. That's crazy.

No wonder politicians want to censor the internet so much.

Gingrich won't accept debate vs. Obama moderated by press.

Don't worry Newt. The GOP wont give you the nomination, so your concern trolling will remain just that.

He has a love of smearing his foes, but when those same folks do the same to him, he cries. Newt's a bully and finding that he's not ready for prime time either.

Oh, and I love the latest from his campaign, urging Santorum to quit because the two are splitting their vote and giving the win to Romney. Fact is that even in a 2-way race, Romney wins the nomination over Newt.

re: #171 Romantic Heretic

It had nothing to do with honour and less about Canada. It was about a bunch of control freaks who destroyed something they regarded as property and said property was getting uppity.

The perps just happened to be Afghani Muslims this time. But it's no different than the thousands of domestic homicides that occur all over the world every year.

Sorry. Totally disagree. I said this yesterday. Violence against women has roots in the same neurosis. However, when there is clan, family, society and cultural support for same, that support is an important aspect to it. It is true it has nothing to do with Islam, per se, but to pretend it has nothing to do with "traditional" societies and how they interact with modern ones in an immigrant context is absurd. Most domestsic violence killings in western society do not involve a father and son and one wife, killing another wife and all the sisters. These things happen in societies where 1) polygamous marriage is allowed 2) women are viewed as chattels and property 3) male life is valued above female life 4) actions by a child are viewed by society as impairing the rights and privileges of the entire family within a particular society.

Your argument would be similar to arguing that female infanticide in China and India is just the same as domestic violence in Manhattan. It is not. The issues are different notwithstanding they may have common roots.

Romney: Actually, I Kind of Pay 50% Tax

Romney’s argument is that even though he pays only 13.9%, he’s really paying something like 45% to 50% because the investment income he lives on comes from corporations. And those corporates also pay taxes. The nominal corporate tax rate is 35%, though of course many pay much lower. But if you add Romney’s rate together with this completely unrelated corporate tax he doesn’t pay, you get 50%, which Romney is now saying is real tax rate. In other words, he’s claiming he pays both taxes.

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney: Actually, I Kind of Pay 50% Tax

National Review told him to do this.

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney: Actually, I Kind of Pay 50% Tax

Lol.
Dear Mitt,
It doesn't fucking work that way.

re: #144 oaktree I've *worked* in the private sector. They expect *results*.

So have I, and that sure wasn't my experience. It was always more important that you 'fit in', showed 'proper respect to authority', 'got along with co-workers' and 'was careful with paper work.' (All these from a 'review' I got at the last job I held before I became too ill to work anymore.)

'Expect results' is a fairy tale, like transubstantiation.

re: #180 Petero1818

Exactly. That's just an "exotic" form of social conservatism at work.

re: #176 DesertDenizen

Hmmm, sounds like you're looking for a manager, like maybe an MBA. Didn't we try that once before?

MBA's are rarely leader / operator types (they are often managers). You need leaders. People who can drive an agenda, lead. Steve Jobs was no manager. In fact he was a terrible manager of people. But he could drive a business plan, execute, demand the most of people, and get results. Leadership is just that. The ability to lead. It is a quality that few have, but it is one that is needed. I like Obama. I think he has many pieces of the puzzle but I do believe he is weak on leadership skills. I think he let his own party get away from him at times. Is he getting better? Probably. Hopefully he learned.

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney: Actually, I Kind of Pay 50% Tax

This is why those who are really in it for the big bucks choose to work for a non-profit.

/^inf

re: #180 Petero1818

It's different the way that beating up someone because they're gay is different than beating up someone who is black. In both cases, of a brother killing a sister or a dude killing his wife, it's someone who thinks they get to decide the terms someone else lives their life on, with death as the penalty for transgressing against that.

We have this fancy term 'honour killing' for one, but we don't bother for a special term for 'shot his wife because he thought she was having sex with the pool boy" or "Shot his brother because he thought he was having sex with his wife".

re: #183 Varek Raith

It's that lovely notion that each dollar is a discreet item that is taxed multiple times rather than the aggregate transfer to each entity being taxed. Such cimple minded buffoonery.

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney: Actually, I Kind of Pay 50% Tax

But corporations are people, Romney. That's what you said. So you're not paying that tax.

Asshole.

re: #186 Petero1818

He is not the Messianic Leader type many on the Left (and the Right come to that) like to assume he is. He is skilled at leading from the rear, which, in the real world of politics is far more effective than screaming from the bully pulpit. He is a manipulator rather than a driver, and it works.

re: #188 Obdicut

It's different the way that beating up someone because they're gay is different than beating up someone who is black. In both cases, of a brother killing a sister or a dude killing his wife, it's someone who thinks they get to decide the terms someone else lives their life on, with death as the penalty for transgressing against that.

We have this fancy term 'honour killing' for one, but we don't bother for a special term for 'shot his wife because he thought she was having sex with the pool boy" or "Shot his brother because he thought he was having sex with his wife".

Actually we do. It is called a "crime of passion" and usually results in a 2nd degree charge rather than a first degree one. In order to have an impact in trying to address the issue one needs to be able to properly address its drivers.

Killing someone because they are black and killing someone as a crime of passion because they are fucking your wife are very different actions. Both are terrible. Both are deserving of punishment. But addressing those issues would call for very different approaches.

re: #191 DesertDenizen

He is not the Messianic Leader type many on the Left (and the Right come to that) like to assume he is. He is skilled at leading from the rear, which, in the real world of politics is far more effective than screaming from the bully pulpit. He is a manipulator rather than a driver, and it works.

I guess I feel the jury is still out on that, at least for me. I don't think he cracked the whip enough on democrats in Congress and Senate. I think he let Pelosi and Reid have the run of the place.

re: #193 Petero1818

Another reason I respect him, even if I don't always agree with him. He understands that he is the Chief Executive of the United States, not King of the Democratic Party.

re: #192 Petero1818

Actually we do. It is called a "crime of passion" and usually results in a 2nd degree charge rather than a first degree one.

Nope. Crime of passion is when you're in the moment. Not when you plan out a killing of someone for sleeping with your wife. That is not a crime of passion, that is murder two.

[Edit: I forgot, murder one is actually multiple victims or special circumstances in most places, murder two is premeditated, murder three is unpremeditated]

In order to have an impact in trying to address the issue one needs to be able to properly address its drivers.

Yep.

Killing someone because they are black and killing someone as a crime of passion because they are fucking your wife are very different actions.

Sure.

Both are terrible. Both are deserving of punishment. But addressing those issues would call for very different approaches

I don't care about punishment, I care about stopping the behavior. Obviously, the idea of someone killing their sister, daughter, whatever for 'dishonoring' them is abhorrent. Sure, you need different approaches. That doesn't mean that the media that goes into a flurry over 'honor killings', and the internet pundits who froth over it, don't largely ignore the amount of domestic violence and murder in the US-- which is the much, much larger problem for us.

re: #184 Romantic Heretic

I've *worked* in the private sector. They expect *results*.

So have I, and that sure wasn't my experience. It was always more important that you 'fit in', showed 'proper respect to authority', 'got along with co-workers' and 'was careful with paper work.' (All these from a 'review' I got at the last job I held before I became too ill to work anymore.)

'Expect results' is a fairy tale, like transubstantiation.

I'm not sure how to respond at this point, assuming one is necessary or desired.

re: #195 Obdicut

I thought that was what you were referring to when you spoke of the pool boy. Planning the murder of the pool boy is as you say still first degree.

As for the rest of your post, we seem to be in agreement. The press really shouldn't be more focused on one vs. the other, unless one is more relevant to trend. In Canada, this was closely followed because 1) we do not have many quad homicides here 2) Our Multiculturalism policies put a premium on immigrants maintaining as much of their traditions and heritage as they would like. We are not a "meting pot" but a "mosaic" as it were. In that context the debate about whether a mulitculturalism policy does enough to address this issue is a relevant discussion to have (I myself thing multiculturalism as it exists is fine). My whole point was that Fox was covering it merely to show that Muslims are polygamous murderous misogynists which they and many of their viewers seem to believe. I still believe there is good reason (at least in Canada) to cover this story. I generally know when Fox picks up a Canadian news story there is ALWAYS a motive beyond the news.

re: #197 Petero1818

I thought that was what you were referring to when you spoke of the pool boy. Planning the murder of the pool boy is as you say still first degree.

Second, actually, I fucked up. First is special circumstances, second is premeditated, third is unpremeditated and no special circumstances.

As for the rest of your post, we seem to be in agreement. The press really shouldn't be more focused on one vs. the other, unless one is more relevant to trend. In Canada, this was closely followed because 1) we do not have many quad homicides here 2) Our Multiculturalism policies put a premium on immigrants maintaining as much of their traditions and heritage as they would like. We are not a "meting pot" but a "mosaic" as it were. In that context the debate about whether a mulitculturalism policy does enough to address this issue is a relevant discussion to have (I myself thing multiculturalism as it exists is fine). My whole point was that Fox was covering it merely to show that Muslims are polygamous murderous misogynists which they and many of their viewers seem to believe. I still believe there is good reason (at least in Canada) to cover this story. I generally know when Fox picks up a Canadian news story there is ALWAYS a motive beyond the news.

Sure, absolutely. I just get viscerally riled by the people who say 'honor killing' on Fox News with this aghast shock as though someone in a family killing someone else in a family is such a foreign concept. I can't think of the last time I saw the US number of domestic murder even reported.