As Condoleezza Rice warms up in the green room, and Paul Ryan sits alone in a darkened room reading Atlas Shrugged for the 197th time, here’s our second Republican Convention thread of the evening, fourth of the debacle.
Looks like Mike Huckabee isn’t going mention Todd Akin in his self-serving speech, after “defending” Akin to pump up his religious right credentials all week.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:49:57pm |
Sarah Palin... can Paul Ryan live up to the expectation?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:50:45pm |
Ugh. I love hearing about how much Mitt donated to his church.
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bratwurst Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:52:23pm |
re: #2 Mocking Jay
Ugh. I love hearing about how much Mitt donated to his church.
Tithing is an important qualification in today's GOP.
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:52:42pm |
I guess Huckabee has given up being the nice, folksy conservative and has decided to go with mean.
I devoutly hope the Democratic convention is a little more positive. I'm truly tired of nasty. Of course, I could just quit watching the GOP convention...
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:53:24pm |
re: #2 Mocking Jay
Ugh. I love hearing about how much Mitt donated to his church.
Tax deductible of course.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:53:42pm |
Since Mike Huckabee just put personal finances on the table, I'd sure like to see Mitt Romney's tax returns.— Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) August 30, 2012
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bratwurst Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:54:29pm |
re: #5 calochortus
I guess Huckabee has given up being the nice, folksy conservative and has decided to go with mean.
I devoutly hope the Democratic convention is a little more positive. I'm truly tired of nasty. Of course, I could just quit watching the GOP convention...
Today, the de facto GOP chairman Rush Limbaugh complained that last night's speeches were not nasty enough!
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:54:46pm |
wake me up when ryan and christie start calling each other names in the 2016 republican primary debates
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Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:54:52pm |
re: #5 calochortus
I guess Huckabee has given up being the nice, folksy conservative and has decided to go with mean.
I devoutly hope the Democratic convention is a little more positive. I'm truly tired of nasty. Of course, I could just quit watching the GOP convention...
Huck supports rapists who murder and letting 15 year old rape victims have their stepfather's baby. What's not to love?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:54:59pm |
re: #6 Achilles Tang
Tax deductible of course.
Any less would trample on religious freedom or somethin' somethin'.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:55:26pm |
How come we don't get any theremin music in these intermissions? What we always get is the same old pop music blend of 60's tambourines and 80's bad singing.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:56:07pm |
It's nice that Fox News uses Chris Wallace to explain exactly what I'm supposed to think.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) August 30, 2012
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Tigger2 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:56:09pm |
If the Republicans love the term Exceptional Country so much why are they trying to make us a third world country.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:56:51pm |
Condi Rice! Drink!
(for those of you playing the spot a black person @ the RNC drinking game) ;)
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:57:38pm |
re: #14 Tigger2
We have significant wealth disparity, but we have a chance to make it exceptional.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:57:50pm |
If they're really worried about the country, shouldn't they just lie back, accept God's will and trust that something wonderful will come from it?
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:58:19pm |
And now, playing the role of 2008 Rudy Giuliani, welcome to the stage Condi Rice!
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:58:34pm |
I wonder how the Paulian isolationists are handling the neo-con themes tonight.
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:58:37pm |
They did way more than just mention Todd Akin in a speech. They adopted his platform lock, stock and double barrel.
It makes all those "Omahgerd He did not say that! reactions from the GOP leaders ring hollow.
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Tigger2 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:58:37pm |
re: #18 jaunte
We have significant wealth disparity, but we have a chance to make it exceptional.
It won't be the Republicans that do it.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:58:40pm |
re: #14 Tigger2
If the Republicans love the term Exceptional Country so much why are they trying to make us a third world country.
Well going from the richest country to a 3rd world nation would be quite exceptional.
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God of Binders with Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:59:22pm |
re: #16 Mocking Jay
Ah, 9/11 memories. Those were the days...
Ah, and after being told that after invading Iraq, we would be greeted as liberators,
given flowers and candy by the citizenry for their everlasting gratitude. Now, those were the days.
//
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:00:09pm |
re: #20 RadicalModerate
And now, playing the role of 2008 Rudy Giuliani, welcome to the stage Condi Rice!
I don't care what anybody says about Uncle Joe his "noun, verb 9/11" comment about Rudy was brilliant and made Giuliani a laughing stock. He's worth his own weight in gold for that one.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:00:47pm |
re: #25 Changing Colors, Spinning Yarns
Ah, and after being told that after invading Iraq, we would be greeted as liberators,
given flowers and candy but eh locals for their everlasting gratitude. Now, those were the days.
//
Don't forget the mushroom cloud!
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:00:54pm |
There seem to be a lot of words coming out of her-and, in coherent sentences, no less. I'm just not sure what her point is.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:01:02pm |
The weirdest of the weird in the 2012 GOP platform: mojo.ly/SUg3Mn— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) August 30, 2012
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:01:13pm |
re: #25 Changing Colors, Spinning Yarns
Ah, and after being told that after invading Iraq, we would be greeted as liberators
given flowers and candy. Now, those were the days.
//
And how the war would be paid with the OIL, THE OIL!!!
Makes me crazy. Oh yeah, the pallets of $$$ that several of our own Patriots , er heroes possess.
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God of Binders with Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:01:14pm |
re: #27 moderatelyradicalliberal
Don't forget the mushroom cloud!
Mr. President, it's a slam dunk!!!
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:01:19pm |
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Tigger2 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:01:23pm |
re: #24 moderatelyradicalliberal
Well going from the richest country to a 3rd world nation would be quite exceptional.
If we keep giving more and more big tax breaks to the rich were on the way. lol
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:01:44pm |
re: #29 calochortus
There seem to be a lot of words coming out of her-and, in coherent sentences, no less. I'm just not sure what her point is.
"You cannot lead from behind!"
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diamonda2u Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:02:04pm |
re: #5 calochortus
I hope the DNC is paying attention, most sane average folks are one not really watching this because there are no ideas, just an Obama bashing fest, which I can get anyday on Fox News, most sane folks are getting their updates by reading twitter, FB and comments like here, most sane folks are asking themselves after reading what is going on... "But what are you going to do to help the economy?" If the DNC can spend even a piddle more time talking about what can be done to move the economy and why, I think they will win half the battle with anyone who happens to be really undecided. The folks in the convention center, and really interested in watching (with no outside reason such as they are newscasters, or like Charles, they run a site where he has to keep up on that stuff), are choir members, they are already sold on the kool-aid, the want to hear this stuff, its like a drug to feed their anger cravings... they are almost rabid about this garbage...still sorta weird.
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:02:43pm |
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:02:48pm |
Was she always this awkward a public speaker?
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palomino Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:02:53pm |
This is my favorite political blog. And then I have to look at an ad for Bachmann for Congress. Please, Charles, don't do this to us. The pain is too much.
/sort of
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Mattand Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:03:42pm |
re: #40 palomino
This is my favorite political blog. And then I have to look at an ad for Bachmann for Congress. Please, Charles, don't do this to us. The pain is too much.
/sort of
Four words for you: Sarah Palin Votive Candle.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:03:51pm |
re: #26 moderatelyradicalliberal
I don't care what anybody says about Uncle Joe his "noun, verb 9/11" comment about Rudy was brilliant and made Giuliani a laughing stock. He's worth his own weight in gold for that one.
$662,000, approximately.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:03:55pm |
Please don't say "drill baby drill".
Please.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:04:15pm |
re: #40 palomino
This is my favorite political blog. And then I have to look at an ad for Bachmann for Congress. Please, Charles, don't do this to us. The pain is too much.
/sort of
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:04:47pm |
re: #39 Mocking Jay
Was she always this awkward a public speaker?
Condi? Yes. She's workmanlike, not sparkly. She's always been a behind-the-scenes woman.
Still makes more sense than most of the rest of them put together.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:04:51pm |
re: #29 calochortus
There seem to be a lot of words coming out of her-and, in coherent sentences, no less. I'm just not sure what her point is.
She doesn't know either. She couldn't even name a foreign policy mistake Obama has made when asked.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:05:22pm |
That was a pretty profound silence when she mentioned alternative energy sources. What do Republicans have against more energy?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:05:31pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
Condi? Yes. She's workmanlike, not sparkly. She's always been a behind-the-scenes woman.
Still makes more sense than most of the rest of them put together.
Fair enough.
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palomino Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:05:33pm |
What's going on at the convention is partly an angry bigoted backlash based on religion and race.
Republicans have realized that this is not the white Christian gays-in-the-closet nation they grew up in. And that knowledge plays out in ugly ways.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:05:39pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
Which is why she always was a wonk and not a politician.
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bratwurst Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:05:41pm |
Condi wastes no time mentioning 9/11. If only she was warned with some kind of memo....— Henry Decker (@HenryADecker) August 30, 2012
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:06:05pm |
re: #48 moderatelyradicalliberal
She doesn't know either. She couldn't even name a foreign policy mistake Obama has made when asked.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
So I heard. One almost feels sorry for her.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:06:30pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
Still makes more sense than most of the rest of them put together.
Not an especially difficult task.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:06:42pm |
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DobermanBoston Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:06:53pm |
Was walking Condi Rice up with "Sweet Home Alabama" meant to be funny or did the producers just not know the history of the song?
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:07:00pm |
Well, maybe I don't feel so sorry for her. We're so special we don't hate others and are never jealous? Really? Superhuman America!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:07:11pm |
re: #49 calochortus
That was a pretty profound silence when she mentioned alternative energy sources. What do Republicans have against more energy?
They suspect it's code for 'we can run out of oil'. They don't believe this, and they think the statement is ideologically driven.
Not all Republicans, mind, but the giddy RNC crowd...
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Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:07:18pm |
re: #49 calochortus
That was a pretty profound silence when she mentioned alternative energy sources. What do Republicans have against more energy?
The guys who are paying them don't want the competition.
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palomino Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:07:24pm |
re: #41 Mattand
Four words for you: Sarah Palin Votive Candle.
That's different. It's a functional item, and, if kept in mint condition, might be valuable as a collector's item someday for teabag dead enders. "Back in my day, we loved Sarah Palin, blah blah."
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:07:27pm |
re: #49 calochortus
That was a pretty profound silence when she mentioned alternative energy sources. What do Republicans have against more energy?
Because the Koch brothers and Exxon don't own the sun or wind?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:07:42pm |
re: #53 freetoken
Which is why she always was a wonk and not a politician.
She's a super wonk. Wouldn't make a good politician. Look at what happened to Huntsman.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:07:50pm |
re: #58 DobermanBoston
Was walking Condi Rice up with "Sweet Home Alabama" meant to be funny or did the producers just not know the history of the song?
Obviously not.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:08:03pm |
Yo Condi. CONDI. What in THEE HAIL are you talkin bout, girl? You know you got lipstick on yo teeth, right? Aight. Cool. #RNC2012 #GOP2012— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) August 30, 2012
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diamonda2u Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:08:05pm |
Even though they tried to be "diverse" with speakers... this is nothing more than the RNC rendition of "12 Angry White Men"
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:08:31pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
Condi? Yes. She's workmanlike, not sparkly. She's always been a behind-the-scenes woman.
Still makes more sense than most of the rest of them put together.
That's what people said about R-Money during the primaries. He was the least bad choice out of a lot of really bad choices. He still sucks.
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palomino Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:08:47pm |
re: #46 Learned Mother of Zion
I think you've talked me into it. I literally will pay money not to have to look at Bachmann or any politician named Paul.
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:08:49pm |
But now she wants education and research, and that was popular? The delegates are suffering from some serious mental disconnects. But that isn't really news, is it?
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:08:51pm |
re: #58 DobermanBoston
Was walking Condi Rice up with "Sweet Home Alabama" meant to be funny or did the producers just not know the history of the song?
Amazing. The Southern Man don't need Neil Young reminding them to actually read their bible.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:09:39pm |
Quality education?
HAVE YOU READ THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN PLATFORM, MS RICE????
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:09:58pm |
re: #58 DobermanBoston
Was walking Condi Rice up with "Sweet Home Alabama" meant to be funny or did the producers just not know the history of the song?
She's from Birmingham, Alabama. It's just more tone-deafness from the RNC.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:10:02pm |
re: #58 DobermanBoston
Was walking Condi Rice up with "Sweet Home Alabama" meant to be funny or did the producers just not know the history of the song?
She's from Birmingham so I don't think they meant any harm.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:10:06pm |
re: #58 DobermanBoston
Was walking Condi Rice up with "Sweet Home Alabama" meant to be funny or did the producers just not know the history of the song?
I assume it was straight-faced. She's from Alabama.
(I recall that one Republican campaign was using "Born in the USA". Who listens to the lyrics?)
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:10:39pm |
re: #70 calochortus
But now she wants education and research, and that was popular? The delegates are suffering from some serious mental disconnects. But that isn't really news, is it?
Mitt's campaign website scoffs at more education and research. According to Mitt all we need to do is import more scientists and engineers from other countries. That way we can keep our own kids ignorant of real science.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:10:45pm |
With a quality education anyone can have their name on the side of an oil tanker!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:10:51pm |
re: #68 moderatelyradicalliberal
That's what people said about R-Money during the primaries. He was the least bad choice out of a lot of really bad choices. He still sucks.
Condi is smarter, and also not running for president. Probably because she's smarter.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:11:03pm |
Her TONE, i should say, is more not Mitt.Her message is: pro-immigration, pro-equality, pro-teacher, pro-empathy...
— Marc Ambinder (@marcambinder) August 30, 2012
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palomino Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:11:31pm |
re: #67 diamonda2u
Even though they tried to be "diverse" with speakers... this is nothing more than the RNC rendition of "12 Angry White Men"
Indeed, "12 Million Angry White Men" could be Romney's campaign theme. It's the demo he's counting on to win. And if he wins, that group will be a deciding factor. Yes, he's not above revving up the southern strategy for a new generation.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:11:44pm |
re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist
(I recall that one Republican campaign was using "Born in the USA". Who listens to the lyrics?)
Reagan tried using "Born in the USA" in 1984, but Springsteen shot him down.
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:12:06pm |
Are the freepers fuming over that uppity woman occupying their angry white stage?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:12:07pm |
re: #78 Mich-again
Mitt's campaign website scoffs at more education and research. According to Mitt all we need to do is import more scientists and engineers from other countries. That way we can keep our own kids ignorant of real science.
And Ryan, no more Pell Grants is the next speech?
I'm not watching, I hope she's making them squirm.
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dragonath Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:12:26pm |
I think the 2000 RNC convention used "American Woman"
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:13:07pm |
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:14:01pm |
You know, mentioning segregation to a group who want to reinstate Jim Crow, literacy tests, and repeal the Civil and Voting Rights Acts not be the best of ideas....
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Tigger2 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:14:04pm |
Is she going to mention Obama got Bin Laden to finish up her 911 story. //
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:14:17pm |
I think Godsmack (the song) by Alice in Chains would be good background music for a Paul Ryan speech.
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palomino Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:14:20pm |
re: #74 moderatelyradicalliberal
She's from Birmingham so I don't think they meant any harm.
I wouldn't give them that much credit. You don't need to be a music critic to detect the racist overtones to the lyrics and thus avoid the song altogether.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:14:32pm |
You didn't nation build that!
— Franklin Foer (@FranklinFoer) August 30, 2012
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:15:06pm |
re: #76 Gus
Those damn teachers. They have it easy and take no risk!!111ty
Pretty sure when they write history of America's decline, they'll measure the moment of decline from the day teachers became biggest villain
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) August 30, 2012
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:15:12pm |
OK, I know I'm biased being a socialist commie Obama-loving Democrat, but has this whole convention basically been phoned in so far? Back in 2004 and 2008 I think you could tell who was going to win by the mood of the conventions. These people aren't acting or looking like winners to me.
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:16:38pm |
re: #94 jaunte
When your agenda requires the masses to be ignorant, then teachers become your biggest enemy.
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:16:46pm |
This speech is wildly out of place w/ the others. She is kind of making sense. #BlackPeopleFTW #CondoleezzaRice #RNC2012 #GOP2012 #Mitt2012— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) August 30, 2012
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:16:47pm |
re: #95 moderatelyradicalliberal
It's like going to sermon where saying "amen" from the crowd is expected, but no one checks to see if the sermon makes any sense at all.
I do agree that there is a lethargy in the crowd compared to some other years'.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:16:52pm |
Republicans Debate How Much To Cut Education While China And India Invest More
A new report shows that other nations like China and India have out-invested the U.S. in their education systems as strategies to become more competitive internationally. While U.S. 15-year-old students rank 14th in reading, 17th in science and 25th in math, governments in China and India have expanded to make major investments in early childhood learning, expanded primary and secondary school public education systems, and post-secondary degree programs that produce career-ready workers.
China has gone from spending less than $2 billion on social investments (including education) to $117 billion in 2006, leading the country to become the world’s largest provider of higher education by 2010. By 2030, it will have 200 million college graduates, meaning that there will be more Chinese college grads than total U.S. workers. India has similarly grown its investment in public education from $11 billion a year in the late 1980s to $44 billion in 2008. In 1947, more than 80 percent of Indians were illiterate. Today, the number has plummeted to 25 percent.
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palomino Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:16:56pm |
re: #91 Mich-again
I think Godsmack (the song) by Alice in Chains would be good background music for a Paul Ryan speech.
Ryan naming Rage Against the Machine as his fave rock band makes about as much sense as if Obama named Ted Nugent his favorite rock star. Except that RATM has not, to my knowledge, obliquely threatened the president's safety.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:17:19pm |
re: #95 moderatelyradicalliberal
The message they keep getting is that they're being oppressed. I'm sure a lot of them are feeling like victims, not winners.
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DobermanBoston Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:18:06pm |
re: #95 moderatelyradicalliberal
OK, I know I'm biased being a socialist commie Obama-loving Democrat, but has this whole convention basically been phoned in so far? Back in 2004 and 2008 I think you could tell who was going to win by the mood of the conventions. These people aren't acting or looking like winners to me.
Going back to 1988 I have never seen anything as amateurish as last night's parade of tongue-tied small business owners at a national convention of either party.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:18:30pm |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:18:39pm |
re: #49 calochortus
That was a pretty profound silence when she mentioned alternative energy sources. What do Republicans have against more energy?
Alternative energy will put those poor union coal miners in West Virginia out of work.
(eye roll)
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:18:58pm |
re: #92 palomino
I wouldn't give them that much credit. You don't need to be a music critic to detect the racist overtones to the lyrics and thus avoid the song altogether.
I they would not catch the racist overtones of the song, but I just don't think they would knowingly aim it one of "their" black folks is all. Please believe I am not used to giving the benefit of the doubt the GOPers on race, but in this instance I really think it was about Alabama being her home state.
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palomino Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:19:35pm |
re: #103 RadicalModerate
GUNSGUNSGUNSGUNSGUNS!!!!!
Like Homer Simpson says about liquor: "The cause of--and solution to--all of life's problems."
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:20:00pm |
re: #91 Mich-again
I think Godsmack (the song) by Alice in Chains would be good background music for a Paul Ryan speech.
I think they need to chill to Alice In Chains' "God Am"...
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:21:00pm |
re: #99 Kragar
And there is a convention hall full of dimwits in Florida who think that any God-fearing mom armed with comic books from the Discovery Institute can do a better job teaching science to kids than anyone who went to college and got indoctrinated by atheist professors.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:21:15pm |
re: #101 jaunte
The message they keep getting is that they're being oppressed. I'm sure a lot of them are feeling like victims, not winners.
Yep, they're being oppressed and there are a bunch of lazy, resentful people who're envious of their success and want to steal it from them (rather than work for their own). FEAR. For as long as I can remember, that has been the GOP's message.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:21:20pm |
re: #91 Mich-again
I think Godsmack (the song) by Alice in Chains would be good background music for a Paul Ryan speech.
Rollins Band.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:21:38pm |
re: #104 DobermanBoston
Going back to 1988 I have never seen anything as amateurish as last night's parade of tongue-tied small business owners at a national convention of either party.
Yeah, it's been pretty bad. Just lame all around.
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Tigger2 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:21:44pm |
I bet some money passed hands to get them to switch party's. lol
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:21:54pm |
So, a bunch of dog-whistle coded arguments turned you into a Republican?
Good to know.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:22:43pm |
re: #111 Mich-again
And there is a convention hall full of dimwits in Florida who think that any God-fearing mom armed with comic books from the Discovery Institute can do a better job teaching science to kids than anyone who went to college and got indoctrinated by atheist professors.
Anyone who hates science rejects the miracles of God and replaces them with superstition and magic.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:23:02pm |
How about something like Iron Maiden's "Sign of the Cross"?
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palomino Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:23:25pm |
re: #108 moderatelyradicalliberal
I they would not catch the racist overtones of the song, but I just don't think they would knowingly aim it one of "their" black folks is all. Please believe I am not used to giving the benefit of the doubt the GOPers on race, but in this instance I really think it was about Alabama being her home state.
Now that I think more about it, I agree with you.
I would think Condi, though, might know something about the song and not approve its use as an introduction. Then again, Condi's musical tastes tend toward classical, not southern rock.
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DobermanBoston Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:23:50pm |
And now Martinez is playing passive/aggressive "good cop"....
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:23:59pm |
And here we have a politician who believes that Barack Obama was President in 2008.
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Tigger2 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:24:09pm |
I think Obama promise to cut the debt in half before he knew the economy was going to tank, that changed things he can't be held to that promise.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:24:12pm |
Interesting stat via @dbauder: Of the 22 million who watched the first night of the GOP convention, nearly 15 million were age 55 and older.
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) August 30, 2012
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:25:32pm |
re: #123 Stanley Sea
I will note that the reason the GOP won so much in 2010 was because the elderly voted but the young did not (compared to 2008).
The GOP is hoping for a low turnout so their base, which is old, will be able to steer the close states.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:26:05pm |
I remember back when GWB was President reading the frequent WSJ editorials claiming the deficit was nothing to worry about. Now it means the End of Our Childrens Future.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:26:38pm |
re: #117 Kragar
Anyone who hates science rejects the miracles of God and replaces them with superstition and magic.
THIS! Thank you for this. It's a perfect description for what who these people are. If you want to know how God thinks, read a science book. If you want to know how he creates, read a science book. Science has done more to unlock the mystery of creation than any ancient (or not so ancient) holy book.
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palomino Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:26:41pm |
re: #123 Stanley Sea
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Not surprising. Obama has a double digit lead nationally with under 50 voters. And, of course, a similar deficit among those over 50. Talk about a generational divide.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:26:42pm |
re: #124 freetoken
I will note that the reason the GOP won so much in 2010 was because the elderly voted but the young did not (compared to 2008).
The GOP is hoping for a low turnout so their base, which is old, will be able to steer the close states.
Seriously. I've got to volunteer to drive that day.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:27:22pm |
re: #118 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
How about something like Iron Maiden's "Sign of the Cross"?
DON'T YOU DARE SULLY MAIDEN WITH THE GOP!!!
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:29:32pm |
Paul Ryan. What would happen if Alex P. Keaton had read The Fountainhead.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) August 30, 2012
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DobermanBoston Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:29:53pm |
I was re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist
Eddie Haskell is running for VP.
HA! During the primary Santorum reminded me of EH as well.
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Tigger2 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:30:19pm |
Ryan you all have no new ideas you just want to use the same Bush ideas.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:30:56pm |
"I didn't hear your question, but the answer is Mitt Romney!"
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:30:57pm |
They needed a backdrop consisting of what appears to be gray concrete for Ryan?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:31:03pm |
Why are they cheering so loudly for Ryan's kids? Are they packing heat?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:31:10pm |
Cute kids. The little girl is having wayyy too much fun. Well, I guess someone should.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:31:12pm |
Ryan is "homey" in the sense that will resonate with the GOP base. That is all that counts.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:31:43pm |
re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist
Eddie Haskell is running for VP.
At least they got his cowlicks under control. That's some serious grease he's got spackled on his head.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:32:03pm |
re: #133 CuriousLurker
Ouch. He's not a good public speaker.
His whiny, obnoxious-high-school-student voice is like a cheese grater to my nerves.
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:32:16pm |
re: #142 moderatelyradicalliberal
At least they got his cowlicks under control. That's some serious grease he's got spackled on his head.
Plastic.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:32:59pm |
"Opponents silent about their record?" Really, Mr. Voted-For-Every-Deficit-Increase-Under-Bush-Best-Friend-of-Todd-Aiken?
— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) August 30, 2012
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:33:36pm |
10.32 pm. Romney's decency is so obvious it does not need to be substantiated.
Sully
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:33:49pm |
Every time they show the audience it looks like an AARP convention only still much whiter.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:33:55pm |
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:34:25pm |
Didnt that plant in Janesville close under Bush?
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Tigger2 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:34:53pm |
re: #149 blueraven
Didnt that plant in Janesville close under Bush?
yes, but Ryan's not going to let that little fact get in the way of a good lie.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:35:17pm |
re: #149 blueraven
Didnt that plant in Janesville close under Bush?
Yes. But surely Obama could have jumped in his time machine and kept it from closing retroactively.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:35:37pm |
Paul Ryan Voted to Add $6.8 Trillion to the Federal Debt
[Link: www.americanprogressaction.org...]
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:36:06pm |
re: #125 jaunte
I remember back when GWB was President reading the frequent WSJ editorials claiming the deficit was nothing to worry about. Now it means the End of Our Childrens Future.
"Ronald Reagan proved deficits don't matter." - Dick Cheney
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:39:21pm |
re: #39 Mocking Jay
Was she always this awkward a public speaker?
No, but what the hell is she supposed to say that would make people want to vote for Mitt Romney or support the insane GOP Platform?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:39:21pm |
re: #149 blueraven
Didnt that plant in Janesville close under Bush?
Yes, he's totally busted via the twitter feed of EVERYONE.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:39:21pm |
re: #149 blueraven
Didnt that plant in Janesville close under Bush?
Again, Ryan blames Obama for a GM plant that closed under Bush.But then,they did say they wouldn't "let fact checkers get in the way."— David Axelrod (@davidaxelrod) August 30, 2012
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:39:21pm |
Oh for heaven's sake. Repeal Obamacare? That will solve all our problems.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:39:21pm |
re: #149 blueraven
Didnt that plant in Janesville close under Bush?
The idling of the plant was announced under Bush. Obama didn't magically fix this.
In October 2008, GM announced Janesville Assembly would be largely idled December 23, 2008 when production of SUVs would end.[10] A skeleton crew continued to work at Janesville Assembly through June, 2009, completing the Janesville/Isuzu light truck contract.
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:39:21pm |
He is the biggest fraud
[Link: www.politicususa.com...]
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:39:47pm |
In October 2008, GM announced Janesville Assembly would be largely idled December 23, 2008 when production of SUVs would end.[10] A skeleton crew continued to work at Janesville Assembly through June, 2009, completing the Janesville/Isuzu light truck contract.
That was in the plans for 2 years.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:40:27pm |
Um... I thought Medicare was SOCIALISM!! Why is Paul Ryan bragging about how he used it and will protect it?
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:40:38pm |
Ryan: “I am opposed to Obamacare and Medicare. Also, the word ‘care.’” #RNC2012
— Andy Borowitz (@BorowitzReport) August 30, 2012
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CuriousLurker Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:41:09pm |
Now they're the heroic defenders of Medicare? LOL
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:41:31pm |
Why even bring up Janesville? Mitt has made it clear he would have let GM be liquidated rather than involve the Feds in a bailout.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:42:16pm |
Paul Ryan is basically opposed to all forms of "care."— Charles Johnson (@Lizardoid) August 30, 2012
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:42:23pm |
The change in credit rating of the US treasury led to... even lower interest!
Proving it didn't matter.
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:42:27pm |
One of the leaders of congress here people...talking about lack of action.
What a joke!
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:42:54pm |
Ah yes, Republicans are the party of the future.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:43:35pm |
I just looked up at Ryan (I'm watching with the sound off) and the word "fuckface" came to mind.
Shit, now I can't stop giggling.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:43:43pm |
i'm so glad to know that paul ryan isn't one of those all-negative campaigners like president obama
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:43:45pm |
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Tigger2 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:43:48pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:44:13pm |
"We have suffered no shortage of words from the White House, what is missing is leadership in the White House!
Great stuff.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:44:48pm |
re: #177 Dark_Falcon
"We have suffered no shortage of words from the White House, what is missing is leadership in the White House!
Great stuff.
Whatever.
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Charleston Chew Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:45:06pm |
Just discovered that the RNC is live on Hulu. Presented by "WSJ Live". Since NewsCorp or whatever it's called owns a piece of Hulu, I'll be curious to see if the DNC is also carried there, or if this is just MUrdock trying to help the GOP reach as many people as possible.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:45:08pm |
oops - paul ryan has spent so much time ragging the president that he hasn't given a single detail about his own solutions
i'm sure it must just be an oversight
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:45:28pm |
And now... Ryan exploits the innumeracy of his audience.
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Big Joe Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:45:35pm |
Why hasn't he fixed our fuck-ups in four years?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:45:38pm |
Paul Ryan: "Like a ship trying to sail on yesterday's wind."— Charles Johnson (@Lizardoid) August 30, 2012
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:45:40pm |
"...the overriding story of the past few years is not Mr. Obama’s mistakes but the scorched-earth opposition of Republicans, who have done everything they can to get in his way — and who now, having blocked the president’s policies, hope to win the White House by claiming that his policies have failed. "
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:45:42pm |
re: #177 Dark_Falcon
"We have suffered no shortage of words from the White House, what is missing is leadership in the White House!
Great stuff.
That's the problem. When this is considered "Great Stuff".
Where is the beef?
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Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:46:07pm |
re: #170 blueraven
One of the leaders of congress here people...talking about lack of action.
What a joke!
Almost as funny as JOBS! JOBS! JOBS!
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Charleston Chew Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:46:13pm |
re: #177 Dark_Falcon
"We have suffered no shortage of words from the White House, what is missing is leadership in the White House!
Great stuff.
In the midst of a week of all-day speechifying.
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bratwurst Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:46:14pm |
Yesterday's Wind would be a good Kansas cover band name.— daveweigel (@daveweigel) August 30, 2012
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:46:35pm |
re: #159 calochortus
Oh for heaven's sake. Repeal Obamacare? That will solve all our problems.
Schmuckabee has some kind of ad out that's been running on CNN around lunchtime... If he didn't actually start jumping up and down and screaming "DESTROY OBAMACARE!!!! DESTROY DESTROY DESTROY!!!", he should have, because that was how he came across. I can't remember the exact transcript, and I wasn't really watching, because, you know... Republicans.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:46:36pm |
re: #177 Dark_Falcon
"We have suffered no shortage of words from the White House, what is missing is leadership in the White House!
Great stuff.
doesn't it bother you that it is %100 composed of negative campaigning and gives exactly zero detail on what he proposes as a solution?
i guarantee you obama's speech will be the opposite
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:47:19pm |
Umm, Paul?
Austerity is what has a great deal of Europe on the brink of economic collapse. And you want us to copy them?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:47:20pm |
Wait, the guy who's been in Congress thinks Obama's "part of the problem?"
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:47:23pm |
re: #177 Dark_Falcon
"We have suffered no shortage of words from the White House, what is missing is leadership in the White House!
Great stuff.
Also, totally false.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:47:38pm |
re: #177 Dark_Falcon
"We have suffered no shortage of words from the White House, what is missing is leadership in the White House!
Great stuff.
I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue...
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:47:55pm |
re: #189 Pawn of the Oppressor
We gave up cable, so I guess I'll just have to try to live my life without having seen it. Will I survive?
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:47:59pm |
apparently the ryan plan is to bring back prosperity by a program of concentrated lying and badmouthing
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:48:09pm |
re: #177 Dark_Falcon
"We have suffered no shortage of words from the White House, what is missing is leadership in the White House!
Great stuff.
...add a time-travelling president that can rubber stamp everything put through by the Tea Partiers in Congress out of crippling fear of another filibuster.
That, too, is missing.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:48:12pm |
"the DeMarco affair nonetheless demonstrates, once again, the extent to which U.S. economic policy has been crippled by unyielding, irresponsible political opposition."
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:48:17pm |
re: #192 Mocking Jay
Wait, the guy who's been in Congress thinks Obama's "part of the problem?"
Of course, Obama kept a Republican out of the White House.
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DobermanBoston Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:48:33pm |
"My father always told me 'You are either part of the solution or part of the problem.'"
Ryan is Eldridge Cleaver's son?
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danarchy Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:49:13pm |
re: #190 engineer cat
doesn't it bother you that it is %100 composed of negative campaigning and gives exactly zero detail on what he proposes as a solution?
i guarantee you obama's speech will be the opposite
Traditionally the vp candidate gives an attack dog speech and the pres candidate is more positive and visiony. We'll see if Romney adds any flesh to the rhetoric tomorrow. Doubtful.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:49:14pm |
re: #192 Mocking Jay
Wait, the guy who's been in Congress thinks Obama's "part of the problem?"
two years in control of the house but he has the gall to complain that no budget has been passed
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:49:18pm |
re: #190 engineer cat
doesn't it bother you that it is %100 composed of negative campaigning and gives exactly zero detail on what he proposes as a solution?
i guarantee you obama's speech will be the opposite
Baloney. Obama will put some pie-in-the-sky ideas that liberals will embrace as "visionary", but in that in reality won't work. Paul Ryan will reply by explaining why they won't work and will expand government in the bargain.
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:49:25pm |
Who knew a small business was an adequate replacement for one's husband?
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:49:26pm |
re: #177 Dark_Falcon
"We have suffered no shortage of words from the White House, what is missing is leadership in the White House!
Great stuff.
Pretty low standard for greatness there, but hey whatever blows your dress up.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:49:34pm |
News Corp is using the money it made off of Obama hate to get Obama reelected
[Link: www.politicususa.com...]
Just conning the rubes, as I always say.
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Charleston Chew Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:49:43pm |
re: #200 DobermanBoston
"My father always told me 'You are either part of the solution or part of the problem.'"
Ryan is Eldridge Cleaver's son?
Wait til Infowars hears of this!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:50:33pm |
"Yes, YOU DID BUILD THAT!"
That line cannot be said enough.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:50:44pm |
When was the last time this party had an original idea of its own?
Beside trans-vaginal ultrasounds?
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:50:52pm |
re: #125 jaunte
I remember back when GWB was President reading the frequent WSJ editorials claiming the deficit was nothing to worry about. Now it means the End of Our Childrens Future.
qft
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:50:54pm |
re: #205 Dark_Falcon
Baloney. Obama will put some pie-in-the-sky ideas that liberals will embrace as "visionary", but in that in reality won't work. Paul Ryan will reply by explaining why they won't work and will expand government in the bargain.
They have NO plan. The deficit will just grow and grow as they shift more money to the wealthy.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:51:11pm |
RT @pourmecoffee: Ryan: I am going to say a lie, then Obama's name, then you boo. Ready, let's go.
— Weapons Grade Stupid (@WpnsGradeStupid) August 30, 2012
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:51:31pm |
a stirring speech full of trumped up insults and vague, empty promises
i'm so inspired
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:51:34pm |
re: #210 Dark_Falcon
"Yes, YOU DID BUILD THAT!"
That line cannot be said enough.
Yes, the lie must be repeated ad nauseum until people believe it.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:51:54pm |
re: #205 Dark_Falcon
Baloney. Obama will put some pie-in-the-sky ideas that liberals will embrace as "visionary", but in that in reality won't work. Paul Ryan will reply by explaining why they won't work and will expand government in the bargain.
You mean like the bold, serious Ryan Plan, which balancing the budget in 2080 via access to strategic unicorn resources?
Your entire point hinges on playing imagination time, btw.
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Charleston Chew Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:52:01pm |
"The years before this President..."
Bush is the Voldemort of the GOP. They dare not say his name.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:52:01pm |
re: #210 Dark_Falcon
"Yes, YOU DID BUILD THAT!"
That line cannot be said enough.
You know that the people doing the testimonials received govt money to fund their businesses?
Are you blind?
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bratwurst Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:52:04pm |
re: #210 Dark_Falcon
"Yes, YOU DID BUILD THAT!"
That line cannot be said enough.
You are allowed to root for your side...but buying into a blatant lie? Come on.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:52:13pm |
Paul Ryan is now praising Jack Kemp. Good stuff and a worthy tribute to Kemp.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:52:31pm |
re: #195 calochortus
We gave up cable, so I guess I'll just have to try to live my life without having seen it. Will I survive?
Yes. Yes you will.
We have a TV in the break room at work (handy in case of bad weather) but unfortunately the channel is always set to CNN. Now, on the one hand, I have kind of a thing for Suzanne Malveaux, but on the other hand, it's the most god-awful worthless information-free melodrama-masquerading-as-news pit of a channel... And they keep running campaign ads.
I usually turn the TV down to "inaudible" whenver I get a chance, but sometimes it can't be avoided.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:52:45pm |
re: #210 Dark_Falcon
"Yes, YOU DID BUILD THAT!"
That line cannot be said enough.
haha, that's all you've got.
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Tigger2 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:53:09pm |
re: #205 Dark_Falcon
Baloney. Obama will put some pie-in-the-sky ideas that liberals will embrace as "visionary", but in that in reality won't work. Paul Ryan will reply by explaining why they won't work and will expand government in the bargain.
Dark you forgot these. //////////////////////////////////////////////// at the end of your comment.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:53:09pm |
re: #223 Dark_Falcon
Why do you approve of Paul Ryan's lies?
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:53:28pm |
re: #205 Dark_Falcon
Baloney. Obama will put some pie-in-the-sky ideas that liberals will embrace as "visionary", but in that in reality won't work.
it is working - are we in the totally fucked up state that w handed him after 8 years of wonderful republican policies?
Paul Ryan will reply by explaining why they won't work and will expand government in the bargain.
no he won't
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:53:33pm |
re: #224 Pawn of the Oppressor
Ah, for the days when CNN was worth watching.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:53:45pm |
re: #202 Tigger2
Ryan looks like a con man.
Because he, along with Romney and the rest of the GOP muckety-mucks, is a con man, running a racket against a populace that they have worked hard at making into low-info voters, trying to get them to vote R/R into power.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:53:46pm |
re: #205 Dark_Falcon
Baloney. Obama will put some pie-in-the-sky ideas that liberals will embrace as "visionary", but in that in reality won't work. Paul Ryan will reply by explaining why they won't work and will expand government in the bargain.
Since when have Republicans ever not expanded the government or increased government spending? Deficits didn't matter to Reagan, Bush/Cheney or Paul Ryan. $6.8 trillion of the deficit is shit that Paul Ryan voted for.
The jig is up DF. The GOP has proven over the last 30 years that they don't give a damn about this shit. You guys don't care about deficits. Dick Cheney literally told us so.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:53:46pm |
re: #210 Dark_Falcon
"Yes, YOU DID BUILD THAT!"
That line cannot be said enough.
I'm sorry, it's just a weak and silly argument.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:53:55pm |
re: #222 bratwurst
You are allowed to root for your side...but buying into a blatant lie? Come on.
Obama called out a slogan, Paul Ryan answered with another.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:54:00pm |
It's all about generating meaningless anger to motivate the base. Truth is out of style.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:54:24pm |
re: #233 Dark_Falcon
Obama called out a slogan, Paul Ryan answered with another.
If your main tag line 'u did build that' is a line taken out of context, that is pretty pathetic. #fail— Defeat GOP 2012 (@Defeat_GOP_2012) August 30, 2012
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:54:40pm |
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:54:42pm |
re: #232 jaunte
I'm sorry, it's just a weak and silly argument.
Christ, it's not even an argument!!!
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:55:02pm |
"You have not failed, the your leaders have failed you".
Um... wait.
Isn't this whole campaign built around "I built that"
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:55:13pm |
re: #233 Dark_Falcon
Obama called out a slogan, Paul Ryan answered with another.
They are too lame to come up with a slogan, they just repeat a lie.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:55:42pm |
D_F - i remember limbaugh trying to criticize democrats in 2006 by saying that all they had to offer was anger and criticism, and that "nobody wins elections on hate"
but that's all i hear from mr ryan right now
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:56:00pm |
Didn't Ryan have a nice trust fund to give his happiness a little head start?
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:56:10pm |
I read all 62 pages of the 2012 version of the GOP Gospel and it is a steaming pile of shit. I'd be embarrassed to have my politics defined by that ridiculous document. Someday it will be a textbook in a class about what killed the GOP.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:56:16pm |
Ryan: "The United States is the greatest force for peace and liberty that this world has ever known, and if you test us we will destroy you."
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:56:19pm |
Without going after it by name, Paul Ryan just gave Obama's "Julia" presentation the backhand. The man has fire, and that fire is contagious.
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andres Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:56:22pm |
re: #205 Dark_Falcon
Baloney. Obama will put some pie-in-the-sky ideas that liberals will embrace as "visionary", but in that in reality won't work. Paul Ryan will reply by explaining why they won't work and will expand government in the bargain.
Ryan can't reply his way out of Akin, I highly doubt he could do something like that.
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:56:32pm |
So I get to decide what makes me happy, unless it is same sex marriage, controlling my own body, etc.?
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:56:47pm |
re: #210 Dark_Falcon
"Yes, YOU DID BUILD THAT!"
That line cannot be said enough.
Et tu? You also didn't listen to what came before? You also never heard Romney say exactly the same thing at the Olympics and another speech that I don't recall the place now?
I don't often give downdings, but for this you deserve them raised to a power.
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bratwurst Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:57:05pm |
Paul Ryan: "We need to stop spending money we don't have." But Rice/McCain called for more wars? #GOP2012 #Current2012 bit.ly/Oye6nL— Current TV (@current) August 30, 2012
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:57:12pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:57:13pm |
I feel like I'm watching College Football since Dark the Cheerleader for the Noles showed up.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:57:14pm |
re: #245 Dark_Falcon
Without going after it by name, Paul Ryan just gave Obama's "Julia" presentation the backhand. The man has fire, and that fire is contagious.
Keep grasping at straws there. I think they're being very useful to you as shoring for the hole as it goes deeper.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:57:31pm |
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:57:32pm |
re: #234 Charles Johnson
It's all about generating meaningless anger to motivate the base. Truth is out of style.
So... It's basically Fascism, without the detailed planning. :(
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:57:44pm |
if republican policies are so great, how come they have never worked during the past 30 years?
ryan seems to have a little memory lapse on that point
we are still under the bush tax regimen of the lowest taxes in decades, and republicans have the gall to tell us that progressive tax policies aren't working?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:57:51pm |
re: #245 Dark_Falcon
Without going after it by name, Paul Ryan just gave Obama's "Julia" presentation the backhand. The man has fire, and that fire is contagious.
Henry Kissinger would look like he had fire if you put him next to Mitt Romney.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:58:09pm |
re: #245 Dark_Falcon
Without going after it by name, Paul Ryan just gave Obama's "Julia" presentation the backhand. The man has fire, and that fire is contagious.
Wasn't the "Julia" presentation a stand up for women?????
BACKHAND THAT SHIT! WHOOO WHEEEEE
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:58:12pm |
Tonight, I will post some Mantovani in honor of Mitt's musical tastes.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:58:28pm |
Ryan: "Corporate profits at a 60-yr high. Auto industry saved. Bin Laden dead. Obama should stop promising and do something" #GOPConvention
— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) August 30, 2012
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:58:29pm |
Republicans love war. Especially the ones that never been to war. They also think these forays into foreign policy is paid for with money that grows on trees.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:58:48pm |
Paul Ryan will reply by explaining why they won't work and will expand government in the bargain.
see, D_F, the best you can predict for ryan here is MORE NEGATIVITY and still no positive programs
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:59:10pm |
The "Heartland" part is a bit of sectionalism, but not nastily so.
And his calling Mitt Romney a turnaround expert is a very important point, and one that the Romney/Ryan campaign must make early and often.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:59:27pm |
re: #245 Dark_Falcon
Without going after it by name, Paul Ryan just gave Obama's "Julia" presentation the backhand. The man has fire, and that fire is contagious.
Herpes burns and is also contagious.
Oh and Ryan, is a "Julia". He received SS benefits after his father died and has worked for the government and received government administered health care nearly all of his adult life.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:59:41pm |
Ryan never thought of himself as stuck in the private sector. One day, he'd get to live off the government. Ah, the American dream!— Kaili Joy Gray (@KailiJoy) August 30, 2012
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:59:47pm |
Romney can turn the nation around, if he can sell off the unprofitable states.
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bratwurst Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:59:56pm |
Only polite applause for the idea that ANY church can be good.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:00:12pm |
I think he just gave Ayn Rand the backhand...
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andres Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:00:33pm |
re: #245 Dark_Falcon
Without going after it by name, Paul Ryan just gave Obama's "Julia" presentation the backhand. The man has fire, and that fire is contagious.
I'll agree with you on this. Paul Ryan has lots of fire. And he's riding the Hidenburg.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:00:40pm |
re: #266 jaunte
Romney can turn the nation around, if he can sell off the unprofitable states.
So...who's going to buy California? Bill Gates?
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:00:40pm |
re: #233 Dark_Falcon
Obama called out a slogan, Paul Ryan answered with another.
Obama referenced everything that this country offers to be successful and allows you to "build that". WTF fuck is wrong with your comprehension? Every time I look over at WND (or the GOP convention) I see lies and stupidity. I expect better here, and that includes you.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:00:56pm |
re: #177 Dark_Falcon
"We have suffered no shortage of words from the White House, what is missing is leadership in the White House!
Great stuff.
I've watched the man for going on 20 years now and, if there's one thing that can be said about Willard Romney, it is that, to borrow an infelicitous phrase from Coach Bob Knight, he couldn't lead a whore to bed.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:01:28pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:02:03pm |
re: #272 andres
I'll agree with you on this. Paul Ryan has lots of fire. And he's riding the Hidenburg.
oh the humanity. (it comes to me loudly, every time)
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calochortus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:02:04pm |
Well, I do believe I've reached my limit. It's time to get out a book.
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diamonda2u Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:02:24pm |
re: #176 jaunte
No that's still Reconstruction, they want 1860
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:02:47pm |
re: #258 Stanley Sea
Wasn't the "Julia" presentation a stand up for women?????
BACKHAND THAT SHIT! WHOOO WHEEEEE
No, it was meant a sop to women, showcasing Obama as the provider of government services. It in no place shows Julia being really self-reliant, nor is it at all clear that providing government services is the best answer to Julia's circumstances going through life.
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:02:56pm |
Mr. Brown Nose is a condescending hypocritical ass
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:03:00pm |
re: #275 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
He can "lead" only in those situations in which he can present the counter-argument, "Because I said so, that's why." That may work in the world of private equity, but it doesn't work in arenas where a second-term congressman from Bug Tussle can gum up your whole program, and it sure as hell doesn't work with other sovereign nations. Maybe he is the guy to stand up to Putin. I'd be more confident about that though if, just once, he'd stood up to Rush Limbaugh.
[Link: www.esquire.com...]
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:03:03pm |
re: #275 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Mitt couldn't lead a whore to bed if the bed had $100 bills spread on top of the sheets.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:03:08pm |
Looking forward to seeing this guy on the stage with Biden.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:03:11pm |
"we will not spend the next four years blaming others"
uh, um, when are you going to STOP blaming others?
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:03:36pm |
Well, his sentences are better formed than Sarah Palin's.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:03:40pm |
We won't spend the next 4 years blaming others, that's why I spent the last 30 minutes blaming others... Wait. What?
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steve_davis Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:03:40pm |
re: #95 moderatelyradicalliberal
OK, I know I'm biased being a socialist commie Obama-loving Democrat, but has this whole convention basically been phoned in so far? Back in 2004 and 2008 I think you could tell who was going to win by the mood of the conventions. These people aren't acting or looking like winners to me.
Well, think of it this way: when romney accepts tomorrow night, it will be in a convention hall filled with elderly white people and a sprinkling of young people who were born with bricks up their asses. It will be a mechanical speech filled with supposed examples of Obama failures. When Obama accepts next week, it will be in a stadium with 67,000 people of all colors going out of their minds with joy, and Obama will be ramped up into giving one of his better "positive" speeches. The producer of the pool feed will be having small, multiple orgasms showing the tear-riddled faces of whites, blacks, elderly, young, hispanic, handicapped, etc. There will be Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Miscellaneous (sorry, hat tip to the Simpsons). Expect a 10-point convention bump for the Good Guys.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:04:01pm |
re: #284 Mocking Jay
Looking forward to seeing this guy on the stage with Biden.
It looks like the plan will be "Lie big."
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:04:12pm |
re: #287 freetoken
Well, his sentences are better formed than Sarah Palin's.
God, is the bar that low?
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CuriousLurker Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:04:13pm |
No God bless America??? Why does Paul Ryan hate America???
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:04:14pm |
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:04:19pm |
re: #288 CuriousLurker
We won't spend the next 4 years blaming others, that's why I spent the last 30 minutes blaming others... Wait. What?
Yeah. And the last 4 years has been nothing but blaming from the right.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:04:28pm |
so - some republican here please tell me exactly when and where paul ryan just now described a single detail of how they expect to fix anything?
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:04:32pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:04:35pm |
re: #284 Mocking Jay
Looking forward to seeing this guy on the stage with Biden.
Paul Ryan is going to pound Biden into bean paste in that debate. It'll be the biggest one-sided massacre since the sinking of the Yamato.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:04:53pm |
re: #296 engineer cat
He ran from his own hallmark "Plans".
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bratwurst Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:04:56pm |
re: #287 freetoken
Well, his sentences are better formed than Sarah Palin's.
Talk about damning with faint praise!
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:05:02pm |
re: #256 engineer cat
we are still under the bush tax regimen of the lowest taxes in decades, and republicans have the gall to tell us that progressive tax policies aren't working?
yep. if tax cuts for the wealthy are so great, why don't we have full employment?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:05:25pm |
The ipod line was good.
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dragonath Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:05:29pm |
Preibus reminds me of Mr. Applegate from the movie "Damn Yankees"
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:05:42pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is going to pound Biden into bean paste in that debate. It'll be the biggest one-sided massacre since the sinking of the Yamato.
Blind partisanship becomes you.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:05:47pm |
re: #261 Gus
Republicans love war. Especially the ones that never been to war. They also think these forays into foreign policy is paid for with money that grows on trees.
They're really running for the position of Medieval Christian Knight. Their chief pastime is to burn up the public treasury with jousting matches and Wars of the Week, while the peasantry starves, all while painting themselves as some kind of embodiment of chivalrous good. When things get too bad, hit up somebody for a loan or launch a Crusade... Yesterday's Saladin is today's Sekrit Kenyin Mooslim N-word President. The big difference is that today's knights get other people to do the dying for them.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:05:49pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is going to pound Biden into bean paste in that debate. It'll be the biggest one-sided massacre since the sinking of the Yamato.
...with his magical unicorn economics.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:05:50pm |
Apparently GOD, who gives us Americans our rights, thought "You know what black people? You can't have rights until 1964." #RNC2012
— Elon James White (@elonjames) August 30, 2012
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Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:05:51pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is going to pound Biden into bean paste in that debate. It'll be the biggest one-sided massacre since the sinking of the Yamato.
DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:06:01pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is going to pound Biden into bean paste in that debate. It'll be the biggest one-sided massacre since the sinking of the Yamato.
Have you been drinking?
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Charleston Chew Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:06:05pm |
re: #296 engineer cat
so - some republican here please tell me exactly when and where paul ryan just now described a single detail of how they expect to fix anything?
He explained in great detail that Romney's a really good guy who's a good guy. So, problem solved.
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Tigger2 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:06:21pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is going to pound Biden into bean paste in that debate. It'll be the biggest one-sided massacre since the sinking of the Yamato.
LOL I know you're a joke now.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:06:29pm |
re: #306 freetoken
GOD!!
I really want to stop updinging you every time you say that but it keeps making me chortle, dammit.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:07:23pm |
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:07:25pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is going to pound Biden into bean paste in that debate. It'll be the biggest one-sided massacre since the sinking of the Yamato.
i never tempt fate with predictions like this since i think it's really bad luck
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:07:25pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:07:28pm |
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:07:37pm |
Yeah, #MittRomney turned around the Olympics USING GOVERNMENT MONEY, YOU PRAT. #paulryan #RNC2012 #GOP2012
— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) August 30, 2012
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:07:43pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is going to pound Biden into bean paste in that debate. It'll be the biggest one-sided massacre since the sinking of the Yamato.
dream on.
How is he going to answer the questions of how he will cut the deficit?
He is a hypocrite and that wont work well in a debate
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:07:47pm |
Oh goody. The "King Street Patriots" Tea Partiers are back, and they're planning on some more intimidation of minority voters.
Video here:
[Link: video.msnbc.msn.com...]
This group has a history of voter intimidation tactics-
From 2010:
Voter Registration Group Targeted By TX Tea Party Group Received Threats (VIDEO)
Midterm election day:
King Street "Patriots": Voter Intimidation Continues At Polling Stations Around Houston
Make special note of the blatant racial overtones of the threats.
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andres Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:07:50pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is going to pound Biden into bean paste in that debate. It'll be the biggest one-sided massacre since the sinking of the Yamato.
Ryan looked like he can handle Biden, especially with how erratic Biden can be. But how he handled the whole Akin's Folly tells me Biden can put him in a tight corner.
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:07:59pm |
re: #280 Dark_Falcon
No, it was meant a sop to women, showcasing Obama as the provider of government services. It in no place shows Julia being really self-reliant, nor is it at all clear that providing government services is the best answer to Julia's circumstances going through life.
Old white dude knows what's best for the women folk. ha
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dragonath Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:08:05pm |
Did this dude just call the RNC chair an Archon?
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Charleston Chew Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:08:06pm |
Ugh. WSJ Live has a lady going on and on about how great Republicans are. WSJ is just Fox News but with a brunette chick to make it seem more highbrow.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:08:16pm |
re: #316 Gus
Damn. It's true. It really is mostly WASPy looking folks.
Could you tell the difference between WASPS, and say, Germans? (Who aren't WASPS). How about the descendants of Russians? Italians?
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bratwurst Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:08:25pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is going to pound Biden into bean paste in that debate. It'll be the biggest one-sided massacre since the sinking of the Yamato.
Way to combine tribalism and war fetishism in only two sentences.
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:08:47pm |
re: #329 Charleston Chew
Ugh. WSJ Live has a lady going on and on about how great Republicans are. WSJ is just Fox News but with a brunette chick to make it seem more highbrow.
WASPy. I didn't say WASP.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:08:50pm |
re: #325 RadicalModerate
Oh goody. The "King Street Patriots" Tea Partiers are back, and they're planning on some more intimidation of minority voters.
Video here:
[Link: video.msnbc.msn.com...]This group has a history of voter intimidation tactics-
From 2010:
Voter Registration Group Targeted By TX Tea Party Group Received Threats (VIDEO)Midterm election day:
King Street "Patriots": Voter Intimidation Continues At Polling Stations Around HoustonMake special note of the blatant racial overtones of the threats.
They are going to get their asses kicked.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:08:56pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is going to pound Biden into bean paste in that debate. It'll be the biggest one-sided massacre since the sinking of the Yamato.
Did your Daddy tell you that super fanboy?
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:09:04pm |
re: #330 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Some Germans are Saxon Protestants.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:09:13pm |
re: #331 bratwurst
Way to combine tribalism and war fetishism in only two sentences.
The boy is gifted.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:09:32pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is going to pound Biden into bean paste in that debate. It'll be the biggest one-sided massacre since the sinking of the Yamato.
all biden has to do is ask ryan to explain how his medicare reform is actually supposed to work
i've seen a couple of journalists try this recently and ryan showed off his mastery of not answering direct questions and changing the subject. it was embarrassing
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:09:37pm |
Reince sounds like he's half in the bag.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:10:17pm |
re: #327 Mich-again
Old white dude knows what's best for the women folk. ha
I just censored myself. phew
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:10:21pm |
re: #340 Charles Johnson
Reince sounds like he's half in the bag.
Has he been hanging out with Bob Stacy McCain?
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Randall Gross Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:10:57pm |
This convention tells me that they already know they are going to lose at the top of the ticket, they are working desperately hard to keep the base engaged so that they don't lose as much at the bottom of the ticket. That's why you don't see them marching towards moderation or trying to win Independents -- they've got to do everything they can just to get their disaffected base to get to the polls.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:11:02pm |
Speaking of Germans, damn those files are expensive:
[Link: www.riogrande.com...]
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:11:15pm |
RNC PR BS has dipped into Pamela's liquor cabinet I see.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:11:23pm |
Serious question...do Romney/Ryan get credit for job-creation due to the flood of fact-checkers now being hired? #notreallyserious
— Jonathan Larsen (@jtlarsen) August 30, 2012
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:11:50pm |
re: #323 jaunte
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I'm not seeing any inconsistency, since America's God is pretty much a dick, as best I can tell.
/filthy Atheist
Neighbor of mine put a new sticker in his truck window a little while back: "GOP AGENDA: REPEAL THE 20th CENTURY". I agree, but it might be more like "Repeal the 18th, 19th, and 20th Centuries" at this point.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:12:02pm |
re: #331 bratwurst
Way to combine tribalism and war fetishism in only two sentences.
Doesn't the Yamato come back as some sort of space battleship to save the day for Earth later on?
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spiderx Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:12:07pm |
i'm surprised Condi Rice would show up at this freak show. She never seemed to be irrationally partisan but her criticisms of Obama's foreign policy are dripping with nonsensical partisanship. America is losing standing in the world? Yeah tell that to all the dead terrorists this administration has vaporized. Oh wait, you can't. Because they are dead.
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:12:21pm |
re: #344 Randall Gross
This convention tells me that they already know they are going to lose at the top of the ticket, they are working desperately hard to keep the base engaged so that they don't lose as much at the bottom of the ticket. That's why you don't see them marching towards moderation or trying to win Independents -- they've got to do everything they can just to get their disaffected base to get to the polls.
Either that or they are the dumbest politicians ever. They have abandoned the middle in order to shore up the far right. They repel two votes for every one they attract.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:12:22pm |
re: #298 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is going to pound Biden into bean paste in that debate. It'll be the biggest one-sided massacre since the sinking of the Yamato.
Even you don't believe this to be true.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:13:02pm |
re: #327 Mich-again
Old white dude knows what's best for the women folk. ha
Women folk? You mean "incubators of manly seed."
Ryan has consistently voted that vote don't get to make decisions about their own bodies without government intervention.
But hey..."Julia," created an entirely to be an illustration of the ways government programs can help women, doesn't depict women as self-sufficient, and that's just as bad.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:13:02pm |
So I avoided the fail that was Paul Ryan's speech tonight and watched Auction Hunters instead.
Did Ryan say anything noteworthy or was it just more of the usual bullshit wrapped in fail and surrounded by ODS?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:13:07pm |
re: #311 Kragar
DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN!
The Tribune goofed that one, in part due to an early deadline caused by a typesetters strike, but more by its dislike of Truman. The Chicago Tribune will endorse Mitt Romney, just as it endorsed Thomas Dewey. But unlike Dewey, Romney will win!
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:13:12pm |
When Ryan was lamenting the closing of the auto plant in WI, I wonder what the delegates from SC, whose governor the previous night was lauding how that state has landed so much auto manufacturing, were thinking.
Fact is, manufacturers move all the time.
Indeed, this is one of the greatest hypocrisies (and there are many) of Ryan - unwilling to admit that closing that auto plant was exactly the type of decision for which they are praising Romney.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:13:54pm |
re: #356 Dark_Falcon
The Tribune goofed that one, in part due to an early deadline caused by a typesetters strike, but more by its dislike of Truman. The Chicago Tribune will endorse Mitt Romney, just as it endorsed Thomas Dewey. But unlike Dewey, Romney will win!
I could be watching the Daily Show, but there are more laughs here.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:14:52pm |
re: #356 Dark_Falcon
But unlike Dewey, Romney will win!
Which would mean a continued decline in US education, continued decline of middle class income, global warming denial at the highest level, and criminilization of abortion.
Which of those things is good?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:15:00pm |
re: #355 Lidane
So I avoided the fail that was Paul Ryan's speech tonight and watched Auction Hunters instead.
Did Ryan say anything noteworthy or was it just more of the usual bullshit wrapped in fail and surrounded by ODS?
yes
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:15:03pm |
With the band, this feels exactly like the end of a not very funny episode of Saturday Night Live.— Charles Johnson (@Lizardoid) August 30, 2012
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:15:11pm |
re: #359 Mocking Jay
I could be watching the Daily Show, but there are more laughs here.
I watched it. I hope Charles posts Jon Stewart's epic takedown of the GOP's "we built it" stupidity. It was a thing of beauty. Also his description of Reince Priebus as having the speaking style of "an angry drunk guy."
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:15:30pm |
re: #356 Dark_Falcon
The Tribune goofed that one, in part due to an early deadline caused by a typesetters strike, but more by its dislike of Truman. The Chicago Tribune will endorse Mitt Romney, just as it endorsed Thomas Dewey. But unlike Dewey, Romney will win!
...because he has unicorns and Ayn Rand.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:15:32pm |
well, i think ryan's program of IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT will really convince those fence sitters that he knows how to solve america's problems
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:15:37pm |
re: #356 Dark_Falcon
The Tribune goofed that one, in part due to an early deadline caused by a typesetters strike, but more by its dislike of Truman. The Chicago Tribune will endorse Mitt Romney, just as it endorsed Thomas Dewey. But unlike Dewey, Romney will win!
GOOOOOOOOO GATORS!
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:15:55pm |
re: #362 Charles Johnson
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You just described most episodes of Saturday Night Live.
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andres Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:15:56pm |
re: #356 Dark_Falcon
The Tribune goofed that one, in part due to an early deadline caused by a typesetters strike, but more by its dislike of Truman. The Chicago Tribune will endorse Mitt Romney, just as it endorsed Thomas Dewey. But unlike Dewey, Romney will win!
Romney is still in the game, and it's not because of his leadership abilities, nor his sound ability on hiring people. Team Romney has enough goofs, gaffes, errors, horrors and stupidity to last a couple of decades.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:15:57pm |
re: #360 Obdicut
Which would mean a continued decline in US education, continued decline of middle class income, global warming denial at the highest level, and criminilization of abortion.
Which of those things is good?
Which speaker is going to call for the return of the Dewey Decimal System in order to fix our country's education system? Get the Fed out of our libraries!
// ;)
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:16:05pm |
re: #355 Lidane
So I avoided the fail that was Paul Ryan's speech tonight and watched Auction Hunters instead.
Did Ryan say anything noteworthy or was it just more of the usual bullshit wrapped in fail and surrounded by ODS?
I watched the last few sentences. A lot of screaming.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:16:34pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:17:04pm |
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:17:05pm |
re: #357 freetoken
Indeed, this is one of the greatest hypocrisies (and there are many) of Ryan - unwilling to admit that closing that auto plant was exactly the type of decision for which they are praising Romney.
It was a very old and inefficient plant out in the middle of nowhere. There was still a privately owned bar open for business in the employee parking lot. The owner refused to sell out when the plant expanded so the bar stayed there. I remember a sign on the wall in there.. "Finish your beer, there are sober kids in India."
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:17:18pm |
Ah, so now we went to war in Iraq because Saddam was a "long-standing threat." Thanks for clearing that up, Condi.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:17:38pm |
re: #362 Charles Johnson
These conventions always seem to go for the lowest common denominator for what constitutes "music".
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:17:50pm |
re: #351 spiderx
i'm surprised Condi Rice would show up at this freak show. She never seemed to be irrationally partisan but her criticisms of Obama's foreign policy are dripping with nonsensical partisanship. America is losing standing in the world? Yeah tell that to all the dead terrorists this administration has vaporized. Oh wait, you can't. Because they are dead.
Romney made an absolute fool of himself in Great Britain and is reviled in Italy. Huntsman could have gotten respect abroad, but not Romney.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:18:22pm |
And my Winamp queues up Joy Division's "New Dawn Fades". Seems appropriate for a GOP convention somehow...
A loaded gun won't set you free...
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:18:29pm |
re: #350 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Doesn't the Yamato come back as some sort of space battleship to save the day for Earth later on?
More than once, actually.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:19:09pm |
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:19:45pm |
CNN anchors come as close as they feel permitted to go in saying Ryan's speech was full of fibs talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/... #euphemisms #fail— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) August 30, 2012
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steve_davis Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:20:24pm |
re: #351 spiderx
i'm surprised Condi Rice would show up at this freak show. She never seemed to be irrationally partisan but her criticisms of Obama's foreign policy are dripping with nonsensical partisanship. America is losing standing in the world? Yeah tell that to all the dead terrorists this administration has vaporized. Oh wait, you can't. Because they are dead.
Well, bin Laden is working the drive-through window at Davey Jones' Locker. So he could maybe say something.....
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:20:33pm |
I am guessing by now the vultures from Bain are circling Rmoney's campaign headquarters.
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bratwurst Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:21:27pm |
re: #360 Obdicut
Which would mean a continued decline in US education, continued decline of middle class income, global warming denial at the highest level, and criminilization of abortion.
Which of those things is good?
The crazy thing is that DF regularly points out that he believes strongly in the science of climate change and has no time for religious extremists...yet here his is cheering a convention built on a platform of global warming denial and religious extremism!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:21:34pm |
re: #350 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Doesn't the Yamato come back as some sort of space battleship to save the day for Earth later on?
Only in anime. She suffered a magazine explosion as she sank, so its not likely she could be raised even with the tech in the amine. No one knows for sure, since the wreck has never been located.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:22:00pm |
re: #378 RadicalModerate
More than once, actually.
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And you note that "Love Lives" when the Yamato turns up...
;)
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:22:14pm |
re: #376 funky chicken
Romney made an absolute fool of himself in Great Britain and is reviled in Italy. Huntsman could have gotten respect abroad, but not Romney.
That's because Huntsman is a diplomat and has common sense. Plus, being fluent in Mandarin and dealing with the Chinese head on for a few years gives a guy some measure of respect internationally.
Romney? Not so much. He's just the draft-dodging, white bread version of John Kerry, but with less charisma.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:22:54pm |
re: #377 Pawn of the Oppressor
And my Winamp queues up Joy Division's "New Dawn Fades". Seems appropriate for a GOP convention somehow...
A loaded gun won't set you free...
And the role of Ian Curtis is being played by...the RNC.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:23:13pm |
thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/… RT @arimelber:@aviksaroy: "Progs claiming that Ryan's speech was full of lies. Does anyone have an itemized list?"
— Krystal Ball (@KrystalBall1) August 30, 2012
List at the link...
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:23:17pm |
Okay, Samantha Bee's interviews with convention-goers who blathered on and on about "the right to make your own choices" and "liberty" except in the case of abortion? BRILLIANT. Even better than the last time she did it, at the 2008 GOP convention. Except these delegates are even dumber. Seriously. It's like a wormhole of stupidity and dishonesty that sucks you into a never-ending vortex of WTF.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:23:32pm |
re: #377 Pawn of the Oppressor
I had My Chemical Romance show up on my iTunes shuffle earlier tonight. They were less emo than the whining I heard from the RNC.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:24:33pm |
Sarah Palin does not demonstrate the stupidity of modern GOP. The fact that Paul Ryan is their "wonk" does.— Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) August 30, 2012
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:24:33pm |
re: #384 Dark_Falcon
Only in anime. She suffered a magazine explosion as she sank, so its not likely she could be raised even with the tech in the amine. No one knows for sure, since the wreck has never been located.
They found it. In 1985.
[Link: www.pacificwrecks.com...]
(Edit: I have doubts about the 1985 date. But the wreck has been located and filmed.)
(Edit II: Was located in 1985. The more famous Ballard manned submersible dive on the site was done in 1999.)
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:25:00pm |
Herman Cain on The Daily Show, talking about his style.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:25:39pm |
The policies of today's GOP are so backwards and biased, I hesitate to call them 'Republican.'Its safer to stick with 'Greed Over People.'— The Angry Taxpayer (@OccupyShame) August 30, 2012
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:26:20pm |
Wow. Rachel getting to question Scott Walker. She must be happy.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:26:32pm |
Ryan dared the media tonight to call him a liar. tomorrow night Romney will double down. #liberalmedia
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) August 30, 2012
See if it works...
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:26:39pm |
re: #296 engineer cat
so - some republican here please tell me exactly when and where paul ryan just now described a single detail of how they expect to fix anything?
anybody?
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Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:26:40pm |
re: #392 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
They found it. In 1985.
[Link: www.pacificwrecks.com...]
Other than that discovery, no one has ever found it.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:27:05pm |
In honor of Mitt Romney's taste in music, per Paul Ryan:
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:27:42pm |
re: #397 engineer cat
anybody?
That's not how it works. First we vote for them. Then they tell us how to fix it.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:27:49pm |
Ugh. MSNBC is currently interviewing Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who is repeatedly lying thru his teeth, by claiming that a GM auto plant that closed in Dec 2008 is Barack Obama's fault.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:28:17pm |
re: #401 RadicalModerate
Ugh. MSNBC is currently interviewing Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who is repeatedly lying thru his teeth, by claiming that a GM auto plant that closed in Dec 2008 is Barack Obama's fault.
How is a plant that closed before Obama even took office his fault?
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:28:24pm |
Anyone who thinks that a $3,400 voucher will cover medical insurance for a senior citizen is smoking bath salts. The funniest part is that the GOP leaders think they can lower medical costs for seniors by promoting more competition in the insurance business. That's just silly.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:28:33pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:29:40pm |
re: #391 Interesting Times
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AND Sister Sarah was told to stay home tonight. hahaha pitiful is pitiful.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:30:16pm |
re: #398 Kragar
Other than that discovery, no one has ever found it.
I'd never heard it had been found. I only turn 8 years old in 1985. My interest in WWII did not emerge till November of 1990, though that was from the discovery of the wreck of the Bismarck.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:30:34pm |
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:30:37pm |
re: #402 Lidane
How is a plant that closed before Obama even took office his fault?
Dead-eyed magic O's-fault cheeseheaded bullshit.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:31:20pm |
re: #400 Mocking Jay
That's not how it works. First we vote for them. Then they tell us how to fix it.
why do i feel like it will involve even lower taxes for the wealthy and even less regulation of harmful practices?
i will venture to predict that under an R&R administration, they'll pass a big bill that does exactly that and then sit back and predict prosperity
and not do another damned thing
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:32:03pm |
re: #410 engineer cat
why do i feel like it will involve even lower taxes for the wealthy and even less regulation of harmful practices?
i will venture to predict that under an R&R administration, they'll pass a big bill that does exactly that and then sit back and predict prosperity
and not do another damned thing
You forgot continuing to blame the Democrats.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:32:58pm |
I am not impressed by any of the speeches. The GOP is still the party of LIARS, misogyny, racism and bigotry.SSDD. #RNC2012 #MSNBC2012— Armenta Chavis (@ChavezChavis) August 30, 2012
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:33:22pm |
re: #403 Mich-again
Anyone who thinks that a $3,400 voucher will cover medical insurance for a senior citizen is smoking bath salts. The funniest part is that the GOP leaders think they can lower medical costs for seniors by promoting more competition in the insurance business. That's just silly.
Unless the GOP's volunteering to engage in trust busting, there's never going to be competition in the health insurance market. Any state you go to, one of a small handful of insurers has the market cornered and is charging people through the nose for coverage. And before they chime in with "Across state borders," that does nothing invite the biggest insurers to set up shop in the state with the most lax insurance laws and then sell across to the other 49 states.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:33:33pm |
The f***? On the Daily Show Herman Cain just "explained why he (a black person supporting Mitt Romney) is supposedly "the margin of error" in the polls by saying that some black people have jobs and are too busy doing them to answer the phone....
What the f*** do you call someone who says something like that?
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:33:59pm |
Paul Ryan said Obamacare funneled $716B out of Medicare at elderly's expense. Mostly False. ow.ly/dkNqq #RNC2012
— PolitiFact (@politifact) August 30, 2012
"...So, yes, Obama’s law did find $716 billion in spending reductions. They were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries. The law made significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But the plans have actually cost the government more than traditional Medicare. The health care law scales back the payments to private insurers."
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:34:22pm |
And this is how the wreck appears today:
As with some other capital ships (HMS Invincible, HMS Hood) that suffered main magazine explosions, Yamato was blown in two by the blast.
Unlike those other two, Yamato only suffered the explosion after heeling over massively due to torpedo damage. She was well protected against 'flash' explosions in her turrets.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:34:45pm |
re: #414 jamesfirecat
The f***? On the Daily Show Herman Cain just "explained why he (a black person supporting Mitt Romney) is supposedly "the margin of error" in the polls by saying that some black people have jobs and are too busy doing them to answer the phone....
What the f*** do you call someone who says something like that?
Stupid.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:34:49pm |
...the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs.
But the plans have actually cost the government more...
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:35:00pm |
re: #414 jamesfirecat
The f***? On the Daily Show Herman Cain just "explained why he (a black person supporting Mitt Romney) is supposedly "the margin of error" in the polls by saying that some black people have jobs and are too busy doing them to answer the phone....
What the f*** do you call someone who says something like that?
Nothing that won't get you banned from LGF....
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:35:08pm |
We are living in a "post-truth" political world. Goodnight.— Katrina vandenHeuvel (@KatrinaNation) August 30, 2012
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:35:35pm |
re: #411 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
You forgot continuing to blame the Democrats.
Also, the Chicago School Economics catch-all:
The markets weren't free enough. Give another virgin to the volcano god Deregulate even more!
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:35:48pm |
6 men and women
5 we can do
5 can do this
4 romney and i
4 mitt romney and
3 we will not
3 the united states
3 ladies and gentlemen
3 it began with
3 ends with a
3 began with a
3 and i know
3 again we can
3 it ends
2 – and i
2 with a housing
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:36:58pm |
Janesville GM plant closing = this election's Bridge To Nowhere: GOP VP convention speech lie so brazen it can't be ignored, explained away
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) August 30, 2012
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:37:39pm |
WOW. Gov. Scott Walker just got caught out there on the 2008 plant closiing. He didn't even blink. He just lied, reframed, kept it moving...
— Elon James White (@elonjames) August 30, 2012
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bratwurst Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:37:40pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:38:29pm |
So, fish in the garbage, must take out now.
Pool 15 feet from dumpster. Think I will swim this shit off of me.
What a crock of lies.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:38:52pm |
Ooh, I'm tweeting. New people to meet. I follow Angry Black lady like an anchor.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:38:56pm |
re: #418 jaunte
The fallacy arises out of a belief in magic, in this case a magic conjured by "competition".
Yet all too often what happens is just companies reorganizing their businesses to do what they (publicly held companies) are supposed to do: maximize profit.
That may mean lower prices (to win a bigger market share), but it may also mean higher prices. It's this that the magical thinkers don't grasp.
"Competition" isn't even well defined. And when one is speaking of personal services, and not widgets, substitution doesn't mean equivalence simply because people (the providers) are different.
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dragonath Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:39:08pm |
I think I'm going to paint hex signs on my TV tomorrow night.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:39:08pm |
I just had some Chimay and really don't give a shit about anything.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:39:10pm |
re: #416 Dark_Falcon
And this is how the wreck appears today:
As with some other capital ships (HMS Invincible, HMS Hood) that suffered main magazine explosions, Yamato was blown in two by the blast.
Unlike those other two, Yamato only suffered the explosion after heeling over massively due to torpedo damage. She was well protected against 'flash' explosions in her turrets.
You also get catastrophic boiler explosions as well when these ships capsize depending on their (the boilers) status at the time. Which can chain in with the various magazines going up. Not fun to be in the water nearby at the time regardless.
And by that time the USN naval aviation pretty much had a strategy for bringing these behemoths down. Suppress their AAA is possible and then massive torpedo attacks concentrated on one side. And any damage you do slows them down, makes them more sluggish, and thus easier to hit. And that strategy essentially exploited the major weakness in the armoring design on that battleship class.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:39:19pm |
@maddow Walker is retroactively opening a closed plant so he can close it again and blame it on... Good lord— Hal Sparks (@HalSparks) August 30, 2012
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:39:32pm |
In my imaginary perfect world, the round-table pundit shows will be pretty short tomorrow.
"What did you think of the convention?"
"Well, it was a pack of lies and bullshit."
"Yep, utter garbage."
*silence*
"We're pretty much fcked, aren't we?"
*nods all around table*
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:40:05pm |
The notion that regulations hurts business is a lie. You really want to F* with business? Go ahead and relax the regulations after a company has invested millions in the controls needed to comply with the old regulations. Then all of a sudden that company with the new facility might not be able to compete with companies that never upgraded and bam, they can't continue operating.
That is why all the GOP talk about politicizing the environment by throwing out all sorts of regulations as soon as they are elected will put a chill on capital investment for these types of facilities and the jobs those projects bring and the long term viability of the employer.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:41:09pm |
re: #62 palomino
That's different. It's a functional item, and, if kept in mint condition, might be valuable as a collector's item someday for teabag dead enders. "Back in my day, we loved Sarah Palin, blah blah."
I swear some of the TP types I know already talk about her the ways some Scots I know speak of The Young Pretender, Bonnie Prince Charlie...
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:42:24pm |
re: #430 Mocking Jay
I just had some Chimay and really don't give a shit about anything.
That actually would have been an awesome RNC speech.
"I'm drunk as hell! Fck brown people! Fck gay people! Fck you America! I've got my money, and you can all suck it! I don't even know why I'm up here! Where are all the hookers?" *puuukes and stumbles off stage*
//
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:44:24pm |
I figured that Scott Walker and the Wisconsin Teabillies were ashamed that there was a UAW employer operating in their State and they did a big happy dance when the Janesville plant closed and all those evil union jobs left for good.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:47:03pm |
re: #414 jamesfirecat
The f***? On the Daily Show Herman Cain just "explained why he (a black person supporting Mitt Romney) is supposedly "the margin of error" in the polls by saying that some black people have jobs and are too busy doing them to answer the phone....
What the f*** do you call someone who says something like that?
White people, of course, are all unemployed, and sit on their backsides all day long, waiting for the phone to ring so they can have a chat about who they're going to vote for.
???
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:48:36pm |
Rice's speech is causing apoplexies in part of the reactionary right 'net.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:48:47pm |
re: #414 jamesfirecat
Oh my...where to begin...
Meh, not trying to get banned on my first post in two days.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:49:07pm |
re: #350 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Doesn't the Yamato come back as some sort of space battleship to save the day for Earth later on?
Is this about Scientology, or what?
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alpuz Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:49:14pm |
re: #438 Mich-again
Yep.. I'm sure they did. All these Wisconsin GoP folks are coming from the same camp. Hell, a bunch of them worked/work for the same law firm out of Milwaukee. Priebus is WisGoP from the get go. How do you think Ryan got on the ticket?
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:49:33pm |
George W. Bush: "I've been trying to call Paul Ryan for weeks. That GM plant closed in 2008. I was president then, not Obama." #GOP2012— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) August 30, 2012
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:49:59pm |
re: #428 freetoken
The fallacy arises out of a belief in magic, in this case a magic conjured by "competition".
Yet all too often what happens is just companies reorganizing their businesses to do what they (publicly held companies) are supposed to do: maximize profit.
That may mean lower prices (to win a bigger market share), but it may also mean higher prices. It's this that the magical thinkers don't grasp.
"Competition" isn't even well defined. And when one is speaking of personal services, and not widgets, substitution doesn't mean equivalence simply because people (the providers) are different.
"Competition" is an article of faith amongst the Objectivists, much like the threat of class action lawsuits to keep multinational corporations honest. It's something they have to believe in for their entire world view, of a free market that operates like a Swiss watch in the absence of government intervention, to be believable. And like articles of faith in any religion, it has to be taken as irrefutable, with any real world evidence to the contrary simply proof that the government has prevented the market from working as intended.
Meanwhile, in the real world, "competition" is a quaint notion that long ago ceased to mean anything in face of companies like Wal-Mart and Apple, who have the resources to either price their "competition" into bankruptcy or sue them in court until they scream "Uncle!"
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:50:34pm |
re: #441 OhNoZombies!
Oh my...where to begin...
Meh, not trying to get banned on my first post in two days.
You're new avatar is nice. Is it you?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:51:01pm |
re: #431 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
You also get catastrophic boiler explosions as well when these ships capsize depending on their (the boilers) status at the time. Which can chain in with the various magazines going up. Not fun to be in the water nearby at the time regardless.
And by that time the USN naval aviation pretty much had a strategy for bringing these behemoths down. Suppress their AAA is possible and then massive torpedo attacks concentrated on one side. And any damage you do slows them down, makes them more sluggish, and thus easier to hit. And that strategy essentially exploited the major weakness in the armoring design on that battleship class.
And Japanese AAA was poor to begin with. Though the IJN was the biggest of the three Axis navies, its AAA fire control systems were inferior to those used by both German and Italy. About the Japanese 25mm LAA gun, the less said the better. It was radically inferior to the 40mm Bofors gun.
In some regards, the USN entered World War II playing catch up. But in heavy AA fire control, we were ahead of Japan from the start and the gap only got worse as time went on.
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Mich-again Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:52:27pm |
re: #414 jamesfirecat
The f***? On the Daily Show Herman Cain just "explained why he (a black person supporting Mitt Romney) is supposedly "the margin of error" in the polls by saying that some black people have jobs and are too busy doing them to answer the phone....
So that explains why Mitt polled at 0% of the African American vote instead of the 3% he was expecting huh.
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:52:31pm |
Although I dont agree a whole lot with either of them, I thought Condi and Gov. Martinez were both really good.
Ryan gave them what they wanted, but there was no substance.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:52:49pm |
re: #445 Targetpractice
"Competition" is an article of faith amongst the Objectivists,..."
I doubt it is even that. As we witness in the convention tonight, "competition", like "God", is simply a Pavlovian bell.
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boredtechindenver Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:53:04pm |
re: #177 Dark_Falcon
"We have suffered no shortage of words from the White House, what is missing is leadership in the White House!
Great stuff.
i see your dad gave you your talking points for the night.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:53:06pm |
re: #446 prairiefire
Thank you!
No, it's one of my sketches. I kind of liked how it turned out.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:53:33pm |
re: #450 blueraven
Although I dont agree a whole lot with either of them, I though Condi and Gov. Martinez were both really good.
Ryan gave them what they wanted, but there was no substance.
Hey! That's the guy who's gonna clean Joe's clock in the debates!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:54:16pm |
re: #444 Interesting Times
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The next GOP tactic will be to claim that Obama retroactively became POTUS in January 2005 and this is ineligible in 2012 due to the 22nd Amendment.
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:54:50pm |
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:54:57pm |
re: #447 Dark_Falcon
And Japanese AAA was poor to begin with. Though the IJN was the biggest of the three Axis navies, its AAA fire control systems were inferior to those used by both German and Italy. About the Japanese 25mm LAA gun, the less said the better. It was radically inferior to the 40mm Bofors gun.
In some regards, the USN entered World War II playing catch up. But in heavy AA fire control, we were ahead of Japan from the start and the gap only got worse as time went on.
The USN also had a huge lead in the Pacific with radar, which carriers used to direct fighters, battleships used to direct their shots, AA shells used to more accurately explode, and eventually American night fighters used to get the jump on Japanese night fighters.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:55:57pm |
re: #455 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
The next GOP tactic will be to claim that Obama retroactively became POTUS in January 2005 and this is ineligible in 2012 due to the 22nd Amendment.
Hell, they've spent the better part of the last 9 months accusing him of being responsible for the mess that started a year before he entered office, stretching his presidency back another 3 years wouldn't surprise me.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:57:03pm |
re: #431 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I've always wondered if things might have been different at The Battle of Surigao Strait had Yamato been along with Yamashiro and Fusō. Then I remember that Oldendorf crossed the T with West Virginia, Maryland, Mississippi, Tennessee, California, and Pennsylvania (+ 4 Heavy & 4 Light gun cruisers) and, no, not even Yamato would have escaped that night. Instead she would be sent running by a handful of destroyers and destroyer escorts.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:57:07pm |
re: #453 OhNoZombies!
Thank you!
No, it's one of my sketches. I kind of liked how it turned out.
Lovely. I still think of your baby boomer mom post now and again. My parents were a bit older than that generation, but not too much less self-absorbed.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:01:29pm |
re: #447 Dark_Falcon
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The USS North Carolina was putting up so much AAA that the Enterprise signaled "Are you on fire?" during the engagement.
That is mentioned on the USS North Carolina's wikipedia page:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:02:19pm |
re: #461 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The USS North Carolina was putting up so much AAA that the Enterprise signaled "Are you on fire?" during the engagement.
That is mentioned on the USS North Carolina's wikipedia page:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Never enough dakka.
Or heatsinks.
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andres Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:02:56pm |
Did anyone hear PR Governor's remarks? What did he say?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:03:22pm |
PRAIRIE, is that your twitter name????
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:03:49pm |
re: #461 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The USS North Carolina was putting up so much AAA that the Enterprise signaled "Are you on fire?" during the engagement.
That is mentioned on the USS North Carolina's wikipedia page:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Funny! Somehow I had never heard that bit before but it's easy to believe.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:06:30pm |
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:08:47pm |
re: #450 blueraven
Ryan gave them what they wanted, but there was no substance.
That's because the GOP base doesn't want substance. They want ODS on steroids and a pile of bullshit to delude themselves into thinking the Republican party still has ideas.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:09:41pm |
re: #459 William Barnett-Lewis
I've always wondered if things might have been different at The Battle of Surigao Strait had Yamato been along with Yamashiro and Fusō. Then I remember that Oldendorf crossed the T with West Virginia, Maryland, Mississippi, Tennessee, California, and Pennsylvania (+ 4 Heavy & 4 Light gun cruisers) and, no, not even Yamato would have escaped that night. Instead she would be sent running by a handful of destroyers and destroyer escorts.
Add to that Oldendorf placing his DDs and some PTs further down the strait. They reported the Japanese ships approach and then made torpedo attacks. The Japanese were disrupted and damaged even before contacting the gun line crossing their "T".
The big "what if" I hear is what would have happened had Halsey detached Lee and there was then a US surface task force sitting there for Kurita and the Central Force to encounter. Though I expect that Kurita would have cut and run fairly quickly since that detachment would have also included two groups of fast carriers. A lot of folk are still curious how a Yamato vs Iowa-class BB duel would have turned out for real.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:10:13pm |
Wow... even Tom Brokaw.. "I was shocked by Paul Ryan's lies." #RNC— McBlondeLand (@McBlondeLand) August 30, 2012
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:11:05pm |
Speaking of twitter, I just opened an account, and I have no idea what to do with it. I can't find a rhythm.
I guess I don't get it.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:13:01pm |
re: #470 OhNoZombies!
Speaking of twitter, I just opened an account, and I have no idea what to do with it. I can't find a rhythm.
I guess I don't get it.
I kind of don't either. I need to get a make up and hair crew so I can take a photo of "what, hello, I'm surprised by the attention, aren't I clever" glam shot for my avatar.
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:15:44pm |
Interesting. Was just thinking. It used to be that lying just once was enough to close the deal on politicians. Now, we seem to let one and more lies fly. Conservatives* are losing their principles.
*(Please print _______ )
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:16:10pm |
re: #468 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
A lot of folk are still curious how a Yamato vs Iowa-class BB duel would have turned out for real.
So close ... "the world wonders" had to have been some kind of karma.
For the record, my belief is that the radar & the 16"/50 guns were too far superior to what the IJN possessed by then. 3 ~ 5 full salvos only.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:18:42pm |
re: #459 William Barnett-Lewis
I've always wondered if things might have been different at The Battle of Surigao Strait had Yamato been along with Yamashiro and Fusō. Then I remember that Oldendorf crossed the T with West Virginia, Maryland, Mississippi, Tennessee, California, and Pennsylvania (+ 4 Heavy & 4 Light gun cruisers) and, no, not even Yamato would have escaped that night. Instead she would be sent running by a handful of destroyers and destroyer escorts.
Yamato would have lasted longer than Yamashiro did, and might have gotten a hit or two in (which would have been seriously damaging, since the older ships weren't armored to resist 18" shellfire). But you're right: She never could have actually broken Oldendorf's line.
If you want a scary Leyte Gulf 'what if', imagine if Admiral Kurita had been lost along with his flagship, the heavy cruiser Atago, when the USS Darter torpedoed it in the Palawan Passage. Had that happened, Admiral Matome Ugaki would have been in command at Samar. Taffy 3 still would have fought bravely, but Ugaki was much more aggressive than Kurita. He would have charged the Yamato straight through to the landing beaches. It's quite possible she would have subsequently been sunk, but she would have had plenty of time to fire her San Shiki canister shells at the beachhead. The loss of life would have been horrible.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:18:46pm |
re: #470 OhNoZombies!
Speaking of twitter, I just opened an account, and I have no idea what to do with it. I can't find a rhythm.
I guess I don't get it.
Find someone you are interested in following, i.e. one of us. Then start following who we follow.
It's kind of a circle jerk (sorry) but I'm still not comfortable following more than two assholes, my limit.
BUT I follow too many peeps.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:19:22pm |
re: #471 prairiefire
I kind of don't either. I need to get a make up and hair crew so I can take a photo of "what, hello, I'm surprised by the attention, aren't I clever" glam shot for my avatar.
I'm a Uterus riding a bike! easy peasy
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:20:39pm |
re: #471 prairiefire
My actual picture is on twitter. I think I looks like I'm trying to figure something out. Certainly not a glam shot, but that's a good idea !
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:21:17pm |
re: #470 OhNoZombies!
Speaking of twitter, I just opened an account, and I have no idea what to do with it. I can't find a rhythm.
I guess I don't get it.
I just follow people and feeds who I think are interesting -- bloggers, celebrities, other LGF posters, my grad school classmates, etc. The rest just comes with time spent on Twitter. Eventually you figure it out.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:24:27pm |
re: #475 Stanley Sea
I have started following some lizards, adding names to my list as I go along.
But it sort of makes me feel like a stalker.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:28:06pm |
I just followed Ryan Gosling and the avatar is NOT Ryan Gosling. That's ok, I can wait.
Night lizards and lizardettes.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:28:42pm |
re: #474 Dark_Falcon
Yamato would have lasted longer than Yamashiro did, and might have gotten a hit or two in (which would have been seriously damaging, since the older ships weren't armored to resist 18" shellfire). But you're right: She never could have actually broken Oldendorf's line.
If you want a scary Leyte Gulf 'what if', imagine if Admiral Kurita had been lost along with his flagship, the heavy cruiser Atago, when the USS Darter torpedoed it in the Palawan Passage. Had that happened, Admiral Matome Ugaki would have been in command at Samar. Taffy 3 still would have fought bravely, but Ugaki was much more aggressive than Kurita. He would have charged the Yamato straight through to the landing beaches. It's quite possible she would have subsequently been sunk, but she would have had plenty of time to fire her San Shiki canister shells at the beachhead. The loss of life would have been horrible.
Horrible yes, but by the same token if they had stuck around longer wouldn't that increase their odds of getting found and engaged by the other American forces in the area?
Leyte Gulf was ultimately Japan throwing away what remained of both their carrier force to give their battleships one last moment to shine, if they couldn't break America's spirit (and I doubt they could have) then they had no chance at all by that point in the war, the worst they could do was be spiteful about how many people they got killed before it was all over.
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spiderx Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:31:37pm |
why do people believe so many crazy things about Obama?
You see this stuff everywhere on the internet. I see it on facebook from people who are apparently normal.
the GOP has become so radical it kind of scares me that the race is even close at this point.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:38:02pm |
re: #479 OhNoZombies!
I have started following some lizards, adding names to my list as I go along.
But it sort of makes me feel like a stalker.
I don't follow you?
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:38:04pm |
re: #481 jamesfirecat
they had no chance at all by that point in the war, the worst they could do was be spiteful about how many people they got killed before it was all over.
I think that this was exactly what was in Kurita's heart as he watched the tin cans charge him despite having no chance to survive. The two issues are both found in Japanese culture so it's not impossible to imagine his giving way to the honor of the Johnston, Hoel & Roberts.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:39:47pm |
re: #481 jamesfirecat
Horrible yes, but by the same token if they had stuck around longer wouldn't that increase their odds of getting found and engaged by the other American forces in the area?
Leyte Gulf was ultimately Japan throwing away what remained of both their carrier force to give their battleships one last moment to shine, if they couldn't break America's spirit (and I doubt they could have) then they had no chance at all by that point in the war, the worst they could do was be spiteful about how many people they got killed before it was all over.
Admiral Ugaki was fanatical, James. If he believed he could have crippled the landing on Leyte, he would have stayed until his ships were destroyed. That such a victory would kill him would have perturbed Ugaki not the slightest; He would have thought such a death glorious, an end worthy of a samurai.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:47:13pm |
re: #485 Dark_Falcon
Admiral Ugaki was fanatical, James. If he believed he could have crippled the landing on Leyte, he would have stayed until his ships were destroyed. That such a victory would kill him would have perturbed Ugaki not the slightest; He would have thought such a death glorious, an end worthy of a samurai.
I don't disagree with you on what his actions would have been.
I'm just saying that even if he had gotten that Samuari death he wanted and managed to destroy the landings it wouldn't have mattered in the bigger picture of the war.
Japan's only ally in the war was still going to get plowed under by Russia which was then going to turn its attention to Japan.
It just goes to show that great devotion to ones cause and unbreakable loyalty are fine things... but those virtues become vices without the ability to gauge the nature of the cause they are striving for.
After the Marianas Turkey Shoot everything Japan did was nothing but throwing good money after bad, except that it was a cost paid in lives not dollars (or at least lives as well as dollars).
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:48:12pm |
re: #414 jamesfirecat
The f***? On the Daily Show Herman Cain just "explained why he (a black person supporting Mitt Romney) is supposedly "the margin of error" in the polls by saying that some black people have jobs and are too busy doing them to answer the phone....
What the f*** do you call someone who says something like that?
A dipshit...
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:03:20pm |
re: #483 Stanley Sea
I don't think you do. I only have 3 lizards following me.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:07:45pm |
re: #486 jamesfirecat
I don't disagree with you on what his actions would have been.
I'm just saying that even if he had gotten that Samuari death he wanted and managed to destroy the landings it wouldn't have mattered in the bigger picture of the war.
Japan's only ally in the war was still going to get plowed under by Russia which was then going to turn its attention to Japan.
It just goes to show that great devotion to ones cause and unbreakable loyalty are fine things... but those virtues become vices without the ability to gauge the nature of the cause they are striving for.
After the Marianas Turkey Shoot everything Japan did was nothing but throwing good money after bad, except that it was a cost paid in lives not dollars (or at least lives as well as dollars).
You're right that Japan had lost the war by October 1944, but its military leadership refused to accept this. At the end of the day, they were simply delusional, though some of that was motivated by a desire to avoid being shamed and punished for their misdeeds. When fanatics are stuck on a slide to defeat, they tend to fall ugly. Their fanaticism will not allow them to admit defeat.
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funky chicken Thu, Aug 30, 2012 5:16:55am |
re: #360 Obdicut
Which would mean a continued decline in US education, continued decline of middle class income, global warming denial at the highest level, and criminilization of abortion.
Which of those things is good?
More jobs for impoverished Chinese and Vietnamese. That's maybe good for them, not so good for the US workers who lose their jobs.
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