Incredible Live Show: The Aristocrats and the Vladivostok Girl Drum Squad
The Aristocrats performing “Bad Asteroid” following Marco Minnemann’s performance with the Vladivostok Girl Drum Squad.
The Aristocrats performing “Bad Asteroid” following Marco Minnemann’s performance with the Vladivostok Girl Drum Squad.
2 | sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:24:04pm |
Nice ladies,, but HERE’S a drum “squad’
3 | Kragar Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:27:08pm |
BTW, anyone who ruins Breaking Bad tonight will face fiery retribution.
5 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:28:31pm |
6 | Stanley Sea Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:29:28pm |
re: #3 Kragar
BTW, anyone who ruins Breaking Bad tonight will face fiery retribution.
I’m going off line at 6. Just to be sure.
7 | The Ghost of a Flea Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:29:36pm |
re: #3 Kragar
BTW, anyone who ruins Breaking Bad tonight will face fiery retribution.
Jar-Jar Binks takes over the New Mexico meth trade.
Also, he plays Tau.
8 | Kragar Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:32:30pm |
Walter passes away, goes into the light…
Wakes up next to his wife from “Malcom in the Middle”.
“I just had the weirdest dream.”
9 | Kragar Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:32:44pm |
re: #7 The Ghost of a Flea
Jar-Jar Binks takes over the New Mexico meth trade.
Also, he plays Tau.
FUCKING TAU!
10 | Stanley Sea Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:34:52pm |
Twitter is definitely not the place to be, here 4 hours before….
“Well that certainly broke bad.” -the last line of Breaking Bad
— Jon Friedman (@friedmanjon) September 29, 2013
12 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:36:33pm |
Ooo, that reminds me, Tao is touring in the US again this spring.
I highly recommend.
13 | Lidane Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:36:36pm |
re: #3 Kragar
BTW, anyone who ruins Breaking Bad tonight will face fiery retribution.
SPOILERS: Senate rejects House amendments, Boehner passes some other BS, government shuts down and Walt gets Obamacare.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) September 29, 2013
14 | Varek Raith Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:39:22pm |
re: #3 Kragar
BTW, anyone who ruins Breaking Bad tonight will face fiery retribution.
Turns out it was all a prequel to Highlander 2.
15 | aagcobb Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:41:17pm |
re: #3 Kragar
BTW, anyone who ruins Breaking Bad tonight will face fiery retribution.
I can’t watch it until I buy it from Amazon tomorrow, so I’ll be avoiding the intertubes in the meantime.
16 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:41:57pm |
re: #3 Kragar
BTW, anyone who ruins Breaking Bad tonight will face fiery retribution.
Walt is really Snape, kills Dumbledore.
17 | The Ghost of a Flea Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:43:05pm |
Years later, Walt Jr will move to Australia and change his name to Lord Humongous.
18 | aagcobb Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:44:18pm |
Lydia undresses for Todd, turns out to have a penis.
19 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:46:19pm |
Nah, go with the Hollywood standard, Walt’s in a dying coma and the bulk of the series has been a figment of his imagination, ala Incident at Owl Creek.
20 | Justanotherhuman Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:46:54pm |
I don’t even know what to say about Cruz & The Traitors anymore.
Are they counting on people to not actually know how a law gets passed, not to mention how one gets a law overturned? Are they trying to act as examples of congressional scofflaws? Do they hate their jobs so much they’re willing to risk them? Do they love licking the butts of their sponsors whose ideas and agendas they support in Congress—like the most recent ones—“overturning” ACA and shutting down the govt?
Come on, these people are the most anti-American ones I’ve seen in my lifetime, short of double agents and spies for foreign govts.
What they’re doing is not governing or being representatives of the people, it’s sabotage.
21 | The Ghost of a Flea Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:48:35pm |
Blue meth was the name of Walt’s childhood sled.
22 | aagcobb Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:53:27pm |
I’m assuming, and I have no special insight into this, that in the end there has to be a final confrontation between Jesse and Walt in which one or both of them die.
23 | Stanley Sea Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:53:51pm |
24 | Dr Lizardo Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:54:42pm |
re: #17 The Ghost of a Flea
Years later, Walt Jr will move to Australia and change his name to Lord Humongous.
aka, The Warrior of the Wasteland! The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla!!
*one of my all-time favorite movie lines, in truth. I loved that - what an intro.
25 | Stanley Sea Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:54:45pm |
Spoiler above gave the show name.
I think it says what happens to Mr. Pinkman.
We will see……..I’m watching all the eps again now.
26 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:56:42pm |
re: #24 Dr Lizardo
aka, The Warrior of the Wasteland! The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla!!
*one of my all-time favorite movie lines, in truth. I loved that - what an intro.
I am gravely disappointed. Again you have made unleash my dogs of war.
27 | Lidane Sun, Sep 29, 2013 2:59:23pm |
All of Breaking Bad takes place in a snow globe in the hospital room of a man dying of cancer.
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28 | Dr Lizardo Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:00:35pm |
re: #26 Targetpractice
I am gravely disappointed. Again you have made unleash my dogs of war.
There’s never really been much of backstory on the Lord Humongous; he’s clearly an articulate fellow. I guess the mystery of who and what he is makes his character all the more fascinating.
29 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:01:04pm |
re: #3 Kragar
BTW, anyone who ruins Breaking Bad tonight will face fiery retribution.
Javiert kills himself!
30 | Kragar Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:02:20pm |
I’m waiting for Boehner to address the House Democrats.
“There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Give up your healthcare and taking care of the poor and women and we will spare the economy. Just walk away and we’ll give you a safe passageway in the wastelands. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror.
I await your answer. You have a full day to decide. “
31 | Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:03:49pm |
USA: green swamp in Oregon pic.twitter.com/FBMpIfXzLv— PiCtUrEs (@Saadal3000) September 29, 2013
32 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:04:33pm |
33 | Lidane Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:04:41pm |
Imagine if the Dems had threatened government shutdown over every Iraq War supplemental.— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) September 29, 2013
34 | Kragar Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:05:17pm |
35 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:08:26pm |
re: #33 Lidane
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That’s simple enough, Republicans had no problems passing a budget all 8 years Bush was in office because they were willing to compromise to make it happen. They didn’t refuse to appoint a committee until Republicans signed a pre-negotiation agreement to raise taxes.
36 | Stanley Sea Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:09:45pm |
re: #27 Lidane
All of Breaking Bad takes place in a snow globe in the hospital room of a man dying of cancer.
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Morphine dreams
37 | thedopefishlives Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:13:36pm |
Evening Lizardim from the beautifully clear and temperate wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk?
38 | Eclectic Cyborg Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:15:23pm |
I for one will be really, REALLY disappointed if they go the “He’s been in the hospital dying of cancer and the whole thing never really happened” route, where Gus Fring is one of his doctors and Saul Goodman is actually Walter’s nurse and Jesse is just some kid in the next hospital bed over.
I mean in this case, given the fact he WAS diagnosed with cancer that kind of a “dream” ending would at least be somewhat plausible but I still think it would be the wrong way to go.
39 | Dr Lizardo Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:15:44pm |
re: #37 thedopefishlives
Evening Lizardim from the beautifully clear and temperate wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk?
We had a short-lived troll on a downstairs thread.
40 | Stanley Sea Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:16:51pm |
re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg
I for one will be really, REALLY disappointed if they go the “He’s been in the hospital dying of cancer and the whole thing never really happened” route.
I mean in this case, given the fact he WAS diagnosed with cancer that kind of a “dream” ending would at least be somewhat plausible but I still think it would be the wrong way to go.
Nah, not going to happen.
Walt is a bad man and will get his due.
41 | thedopefishlives Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:16:56pm |
re: #39 Dr Lizardo
We had a short-lived troll on a downstairs thread.
I always miss the fun. But alas, I am glad the collective we had some fun.
42 | Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:17:10pm |
Hmm… watch football (Eagles) or “This Is Spinal Tap”.
43 | Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:17:24pm |
re: #39 Dr Lizardo
We had a short-lived troll on a downstairs thread.
A few lizards are still desecrating the corpse.
44 | Eclectic Cyborg Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:17:53pm |
re: #42 Feline Fearless Leader
Well I can’t stand the Eagles so it would be an easy choice for me. Take it to 11 baby!
45 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:18:34pm |
re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg
I for one will be really, REALLY disappointed if they go the “He’s been in the hospital dying of cancer and the whole thing never really happened” route, where Gus Fring is one of his doctors and Saul Goodman is actually Walter’s nurse and Jesse is just some kid in the next hospital bed over.
I mean in this case, given the fact he WAS diagnosed with cancer that kind of a “dream” ending would at least be somewhat plausible but I still think it would be the wrong way to go.
It would be a serious cop-out, but as I’ve found as the years go on, Hollywood these days is creatively bankrupt. If there’s a way to end the series that’s cliched as hell, they’ll take it.
There’s the odd exception where they try something new, and it’s generally never repeated because the fandom simply throws a shitfit instead. See the end to The Sopranos for an example of what I mean.
46 | Lidane Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:19:14pm |
re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg
I for one will be really, REALLY disappointed if they go the “He’s been in the hospital dying of cancer and the whole thing never really happened” route.
I mean in this case, given the fact he WAS diagnosed with cancer that kind of a “dream” ending would at least be somewhat plausible but I still think it would be the wrong way to go.
I highly doubt they’d go there. The shitstorm that would cause would be HUGE. People want to see Walt get what’s coming his way, and they want Jesse to find his way out, if he can.
Should be interesting to see what happens.
47 | Eclectic Cyborg Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:19:20pm |
re: #45 Targetpractice
I may be in the minority, but I liked the Sopranos ending.
48 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:19:21pm |
49 | Eclectic Cyborg Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:20:08pm |
re: #48 Vicious Babushka
I really must come to your house for dinner sometime, you bake the most incredible things. :P
50 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:21:00pm |
re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg
I may be in the minority, but I liked the Sopranos ending.
I thought it was an interesting way to end the series, but like I said, the general response at the time was “What was that?!” And the creative staff trying to explain that they wanted to leave it a mystery how things ended wasn’t really a big help.
51 | Eclectic Cyborg Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:22:16pm |
re: #50 Targetpractice
Personally I hate shows where they tie everything up hunky dory. Better to leave some threads unfinished and some questions unanswered.
52 | Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:22:42pm |
re: #44 Eclectic Cyborg
Well I can’t stand the Eagles so it would be an easy choice for me. Take it to 11 baby!
Oh lord, it’s Fran Dresh-lerrrrrrrr.
53 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:24:13pm |
re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg
Personally I hate shows where they tie everything up hunky dory. Better to leave some threads unfinished and some questions unanswered.
If there’s one thing I’ve found over the years, it’s that fans are always going to whine. I’m not exactly immune to this myself. Bioware’s still on my shitlist as one example.
54 | Lidane Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:26:17pm |
New photo: President Obama meets with his senior staff to discuss a potential government shutdown: http://t.co/7JJJlItC9s— petesouza (@petesouza) September 29, 2013
55 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:27:28pm |
re: #54 Lidane
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“Okay, so we’re all agreed that Boehner’s truly fucked himself this time, right?”
56 | Eclectic Cyborg Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:30:16pm |
re: #54 Lidane
note the diversity of this group compared to the GOP teams
57 | b.d. Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:30:24pm |
re: #54 Lidane
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Don’t those warm sodas look inviting?
//
They look too serious in that picture, like they’re contemplating something….there is nothing to contemplate.
58 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:33:22pm |
re: #54 Lidane
Hooray, at least one of them drinks Mountain Dew.
59 | Semper Fi Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:34:04pm |
re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg
I may be in the minority, but I liked the Sopranos ending.
I thought so too -and- I laughed when I realized Pauly survived.
60 | Dr Lizardo Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:34:08pm |
62 | thedopefishlives Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:35:00pm |
re: #61 klys
Yeah, good luck finding that in the states.
We used to have it. I miss it. Fun childhood memories with that.
63 | ObserverArt Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:36:44pm |
Looks like the Pres is saying something like “can you believe this crap?” “Can someone tell me why I shouldn’t strangle Boehner the next time I see his orange butt.” The staff is thinking…”nope I can think of no reasons not to.”
Unprecedented time in history.
64 | Dr Lizardo Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:38:13pm |
re: #61 klys
I’ve seen it in Germany. Not here in the Czech Republic, unfortunately.
65 | Kragar Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:39:40pm |
McCarthy: Any House Bill Will Have ‘Fundamental Changes’ To Obamacare
So in other words, they don’t give a fuck that they’re not going to accomplish a fucking thing.
66 | BongCrodny Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:39:45pm |
re: #22 aagcobb
I’m assuming, and I have no special insight into this, that in the end there has to be a final confrontation between Jesse and Walt in which one or both of them die.
Not necessarily.
It could go all Butch Heisenberg and the Pinkdance Kid.
67 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:40:50pm |
I know some folks have compared to this the last shutdown, even I’ve found myself doing it. But really, with last night’s little double down from the House GOP, it’s unprecedented. Back then, Newt was demanding that we get spending under control and used the shutdown to get a deal that Republicans to this day balanced the budget.
Here, we’re not talking the budget, because the GOP already won with the sequester. No, here we’re talking a political party that wishes to hold the nation hostage to its ideological demands. There has never been a political party that stood up, after losing the previous election so disastrously, and demanded it be given everything it ran on in exchange for not destroying the economy.
68 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:41:27pm |
re: #66 BongCrodny
Not necessarily.
It could go all Butch Heisenberg and the Pinkdance Kid.
For a minute there, I thought we were in trouble.
69 | ObserverArt Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:47:09pm |
re: #65 Kragar
McCarthy: Any House Bill Will Have ‘Fundamental Changes’ To Obamacare
So in other words, they don’t give a fuck that they’re not going to accomplish a fucking thing.
I’m getting the feeling they are gonna squawk and threaten all the way up ‘til 1/2 hour before midnight Monday and then slip a simple clear bill through and then immediately go on squawking about how they were bullied by Obama and Reid and it is all their fault, vote for us next time because we did the people’s work and go right back to work doing what they’ve been doing hoping it works next election. Meanwhile they will count the money they made from “the people” to help fight the good fight. And, since evil won out this time, you need to increase your donations so we can stamp out progressives in your grand children’s time!
But it was never their fault this whole time. It was the work of the DEVIL DEMS!!!
70 | sagehen Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:48:33pm |
For those who missed SNL last night, there’s non-spoilery Breaking Bad stuff in the cold open.
71 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:49:09pm |
I wrote out the proofs for the first two parts of the problem all nice and pretty and then made mistakes on the third part.
Rather than rewriting it by hand, I’m just typing the damn things up from now on.
72 | Internet Tough Guy Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:50:07pm |
re: #3 Kragar
Walt starts a new life as a lumberjack.
74 | dog philosopher Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:54:52pm |
re: #71 klys
I wrote out the proofs for the first two parts of the problem all nice and pretty and then made mistakes on the third part.
Rather than rewriting it by hand, I’m just typing the damn things up from now on.
there exists an integer n such that i don’t care what the proof is
75 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 3:56:06pm |
re: #74 dog philosopher
there exists an integer n such that i don’t care what the proof is
That one’s easy. It’s set R.
76 | dog philosopher Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:01:17pm |
all this talk about BB is fine, but obviously the more interesting program is boardwalk empire so why isn’t everybody talking about that huh huh?
77 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:03:29pm |
I watch so little TV these days that all the talk about season finales always leaves me feeling left out.
78 | PhillyPretzel Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:04:54pm |
re: #77 Targetpractice
I watch PBS so when someone mentions a season finale I have to ask where the show airs.
79 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:05:32pm |
re: #77 Targetpractice
I watch so little TV these days that all the talk about season finales always leaves me feeling left out.
Why do you think I’m talking about math proofs?
80 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:07:29pm |
re: #79 klys
Why do you think I’m talking about math proofs?
To give me a headache? Math was always my worst subject in school.
81 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:09:40pm |
re: #80 Targetpractice
To give me a headache? Math was always my worst subject in school.
Pain shared is pain halved, right?
82 | Lidane Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:10:55pm |
#BreakingBad http://t.co/1KbStEUzHx— Aaron Paul (@aaronpaul_8) September 29, 2013
83 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:14:29pm |
84 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:16:13pm |
re: #83 Targetpractice
See, there you go again.
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I’m stuck at home on a Sunday afternoon, feeling lousy and having to do math proofs. Forgive a Lizard her whining in an open thread.
The only bright side to this class is getting it over with.
85 | b_sharp Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:16:58pm |
re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg
I really must come to your house for dinner sometime, you bake the most incredible things. :P
Make sure to mail me some.
86 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:17:45pm |
OFFS
Yeah he’s totally just like Rosa Parks, if Rosa Parks brought a loaded gun on the bus with her.
WTF is wrong with these people?
Richard Mack.
“@suemayonline: Finally someone standing brave & strong! -> pic.twitter.com/F56Xuif1Tl” <- #PATRIOT - #MakeDCListen #lnyhbt #tcot #nra #2a #ccot— Mike Beacham (@Mike_Beacham) September 29, 2013
87 | Dr Lizardo Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:19:23pm |
88 | Lidane Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:19:45pm |
re: #86 Vicious Babushka
WTF is wrong with these people?
The universe will implode before we finish answering that question.
89 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:19:55pm |
Oh joy, the why should I have to pay for your birth control troll is back.
90 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:20:37pm |
re: #87 Dr Lizardo
Take America back from who or what, pray tell?
Imbeciles.
“Take America back” to the 1850s.
91 | Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:21:58pm |
re: #90 Targetpractice
“Take America back” to the 1850s.
Maybe even to 1845. Lets Texas be independent, and gets rid of that pesky section that includes California and lots of brown people.
//
92 | Kragar Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:23:04pm |
re: #86 Vicious Babushka
OFFS
Yeah he’s totally just like Rosa Parks, if Rosa Parks brought a loaded gun on the bus with her.
WTF is wrong with these people?
Richard Mack.[Embedded content]
Less like Rosa Parks, he’s more like Dennis Hopper in Speed.
93 | Kragar Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:24:57pm |
re: #89 klys
Oh joy, the why should I have to pay for your birth control troll is back.
Starts with “I’m not into political parties”
later “DAMN YOU LIBERALS!”
94 | Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:26:19pm |
re: #89 klys
Oh joy, the why should I have to pay for your birth control troll is back.
They just can’t stay away. Like moths to a flame.
95 | b_sharp Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:26:26pm |
re: #87 Dr Lizardo
Take America back from who or what, pray tell?
Imbeciles.
The imaginary libs intent on enslaving the patriots in a communist hell.
96 | Lidane Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:27:35pm |
re: #95 b_sharp
The imaginary libs intent on enslaving the patriots in a communist hell.
By passing and signing a Republican healthcare plan, even. Dastardly!
97 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:27:54pm |
re: #94 Charles Johnson
They just can’t stay away. Like moths to a flame.
He’s welcome to go play in the fire for all I care, as long as he stays out of my ability to make decisions with my doctor and have my birth control paid for by the insurance plan that I contribute to.
Every male whining about how women should pay for their own birth control should be kicked in the balls repeatedly for 3 days so they can understand why some of us need this for medical purposes.
98 | b_sharp Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:28:05pm |
re: #94 Charles Johnson
They just can’t stay away. Like moths to a flame.
Bad move on their part unless they enjoy being shredded by logic and sarcasm.
99 | The Ghost of a Flea Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:29:31pm |
The final episode of Breaking Bad:
…guest starring Al Pacino as Tony Montana.
100 | Kragar Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:32:52pm |
re: #95 b_sharp
The imaginary libs intent on enslaving the patriots in a communist hell.
GOP: “We can’t have a single payer, so we have this mandate idea.”
Democrats: “Ok, we can work with that, lets do it.”
GOP: “YOU FUCKING COMMIES!”
101 | Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:34:41pm |
Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif: Holocaust a ‘Heinous Crime’ and a ‘Genocide’
Buried in the media noise.
102 | Interesting Times Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:37:44pm |
re: #89 klys
Oh joy, the why should I have to pay for your birth control troll is back.
Protip: when announcing a new flare-up of troll, be sure to include a link to the offending comment:
That way, it can easily get downdinged and shot down, thus denying troll durr hurr i got the last word i win satisfaction :)
103 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:38:14pm |
re: #102 Interesting Times
Protip: when announcing a new flare-up of troll, be sure to include a link to the offending comment:
That way, it can easily get downdinged and shot down, thus denying troll durr hurr i got the last word i win satisfaction :)
Yeah, I was being lazy. Thank you for providing the link. :)
104 | Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:39:36pm |
Here a rocket launched from Cape Canaveral Florida in 1950: #NASA pic.twitter.com/6hTc7bqZGN— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) September 29, 2013
105 | Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:42:54pm |
I see Andrew Sullivan is doing his Rand Paul fanboy thing again. With this, and the constant bashing of atheists and increasing focus on religion I’m seeing fewer and fewer reasons to read his site.
106 | b_sharp Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:47:31pm |
re: #105 Charles Johnson
I see Andrew Sullivan is doing his Rand Paul fanboy thing again. With this, and the constant bashing of atheists and increasing focus on religion I’m seeing fewer and fewer reasons to read his site.
Isn’t he an AGW denier?
107 | Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:47:45pm |
re: #101 Decatur Deb
Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif: Holocaust a ‘Heinous Crime’ and a ‘Genocide’
Buried in the media noise.
Meh, it’s an old gimmick. Say one thing in English to the Western press while saying something completely different back home. From your article…
In an exclusive interview this morning on “This Week,” Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif condemned the Holocaust as a “heinous crime” and a “genocide,” dismissing as a poor translation the appearance of the word “myth” about the Holocaust on the Iranian Supreme Leader’s English website.
Iran has been criticized in recent years for the words of its former president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who often denied the existence of the Holocaust, while the phrase “the myth of the massacre of Jews” appears in a translation of a speech from February 2006 by Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Khamanei.
“The Holocaust is not a myth. Nobody’s talking about a myth,” Zarif told George Stephanopoulos on “This Week” Sunday when asked about the quote. “If it’s there … it’s a bad translation, and it’s translated out of context… This is the problem when you translate something from Persian to English, you may lose something, as the film goes, ‘Lost in Translation,’ you may lose some of the meaning.”
That’s obviously bullshit. It’s neither a translation error nor an out of context quote. Here’s the speech
The more important issue is the outrageous affront to the Holy Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him and his infallible household), which brings disgrace to Western civilization with regard to the freedom of expression. Such offensive acts discredit and bring shame upon liberal democracy, the banner of which has been raised by Western countries and in which these countries take pride, with respect to the freedom of expression.
Western countries allow no freedom of expression, which they claim to advocate, with regard to the myth of the massacre of Jews known as the holocaust, and nobody in the West enjoys the freedom of expression to deny it or raise doubts about it.
There are many individuals in European countries, including scientists, scholars, historians and journalists, who do not dare to express their doubts about this issue. There are also some who believe that the whole issue is a lie, but they do not dare to say so because they have seen that whoever has said so has been punished, prosecuted and imprisoned and has been deprived of his rights.
However, affronting the sanctities of about 1.5 billion Muslims - without any reasons or the existence of any quarrels between the two or any affronts on the part of Muslims to their sanctities - is permissible in the West and benefits from the freedom of expression!
108 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:50:13pm |
I know that what we’re seeing is likely the result of the desperation that Obamacare CANNOT POSSIBLY BE IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL LIKE IT and that’s behind the sudden influx of trolls that think this is the worst thing ever.
But ugh, really guys? Come on. Try a little harder, at least. The dead thread derp gets so old.
110 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:52:11pm |
re: #105 Charles Johnson
I see Andrew Sullivan is doing his Rand Paul fanboy thing again. With this, and the constant bashing of atheists and increasing focus on religion I’m seeing fewer and fewer reasons to read his site.
Andrew was a bit Bush booster up until he realized the man was not friendly to the LGBT crowd.
111 | jaunte Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:56:06pm |
If Republicans Want To Shut Down Washington, They'll Have To Ask China's Permission First - Forbes http://t.co/WAON2rYC4m
— Ivan Roberson (@Ivanroberson) September 29, 2013
112 | Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:57:46pm |
BTW, the Iranian’s also claimed their desire to “wipe Israel off the map” was also a translation error.
113 | Bubblehead II Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:58:35pm |
re: #39 Dr Lizardo
We had a short-lived troll on a downstairs thread.
Evening Lizards. Troll is still an active member. didn’t get the stick, yet.
114 | Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 29, 2013 4:59:27pm |
re: #110 Targetpractice
Andrew was a bit Bush booster up until he realized the man was not friendly to the LGBT crowd.
He also has a very unhealthy obsession with Sarah Palin’s handicapped child. The man’s a loon. That’s not a figure of speech, I think he has mental problems.
116 | Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:00:39pm |
re: #108 klys
I know that what we’re seeing is likely the result of the desperation that Obamacare CANNOT POSSIBLY BE IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL LIKE IT and that’s behind the sudden influx of trolls that think this is the worst thing ever.
But ugh, really guys? Come on. Try a little harder, at least. The dead thread derp gets so old.
Trolls are immune to logic damage and have high DR to other attacks. You need something irreducible, or possibly have to use something that can cause serious collateral damage to the thread.
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117 | Bubblehead II Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:01:52pm |
re: #43 Decatur Deb
A few lizards are still desecrating the corpse.
Not dead yet.
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Can’t desecrate a corpse if it isn’t dead. On the other hand, you can, well we wont go there.
118 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:02:46pm |
re: #116 Feline Fearless Leader
Trolls are immune to logic damage and have high DR to other attacks. You need something irreducible, or possibly have to use something that can cause serious collateral damage to the thread.
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Did you know that America is the country where we are all equal at birth?
I mean, it’s a great ideal. It has, unfortunately, a long way to go before it’s true.
119 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:03:59pm |
re: #118 klys
Did you know that America is the country where we are all equal at birth?
I mean, it’s a great ideal. It has, unfortunately, a long way to go before it’s true.
“All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.”
120 | klys Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:04:46pm |
re: #119 Targetpractice
“All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.”
I fucking hated that book.*
* This statement applies to virtually every book we read in English class, with the exception of Pride and Prejudice. I am not one for ‘great’ literature.
121 | Lidane Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:05:31pm |
Hilarious that Republicans think they wouldn't be blamed for a government shutdown after this. http://t.co/feQj5Z6D1D— The National Memo (@NationalMemo) September 29, 2013
122 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:05:51pm |
re: #112 Killgore Trout
BTW, the Iranian’s also claimed their desire to “wipe Israel off the map” was also a translation error.
It wasn’t just the Iranians who claimed that. Since “wipe x off the map” is an English idiom, it certainly is an arguable and idiomatic translation. Iran’s opposition to the existence of Israel isn’t exactly a secret, with the closest they’ve ever come to the idea of an independent Israel being saying if the Palestinians vote for that, but that’s a rather optimistic (heh) interpretation of one stance. In general, they have always presented the same position about Israel: They don’t recognize the Israeli government as legitimate authority, they want the right of return for all ‘refugees’ including the children of refugees, and want that population (which would be majority Palestinian) voting on what to do. These are not things that Iran can actually bring about, but if they occurred they would 99% mean the end of Israel.
What Iran has actually said is so damning and so obviously opposed to Israel that it’s weird to me people obsess about laying the obvious English Idiom “Wipe Israel off the map” on top of it all. Like they can’t really be understood unless you awkwardly Americanize what they say.
This is probably all a little too nuanced for you, maybe you should just say “outrage!” or something meaningful like that.
123 | dog philosopher Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:06:11pm |
re: #102 Interesting Times
i remember the good old days when obamacare was going to nationalize the entire health care industry and kill your grandmother
124 | Targetpractice Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:07:48pm |
re: #121 Lidane
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Nothing at this moment amuses me more than the idea that the GOP are gonna come out of all this the winners.
125 | sagehen Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:09:07pm |
re: #105 Charles Johnson
I see Andrew Sullivan is doing his Rand Paul fanboy thing again. With this, and the constant bashing of atheists and increasing focus on religion I’m seeing fewer and fewer reasons to read his site.
He’s also becoming rather obsessive about opposing the Greater Israel Lobby (sic), and says if Syria has to give up chemical weapons and Iran has to give up nukes then Israel should also dismantle their non-conventional capacity. Because Jews have some baseless paranoia that anybody might want them all dead, it’s been more than 60 years already get over it.
126 | Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:09:26pm |
re: #107 Killgore Trout
Meh, it’s an old gimmick. Say one thing in English to the Western press while saying something completely different back home. From your article…
That’s obviously bullshit. It’s neither a translation error nor an out of context quote. Here’s the speech
Has a senior Iranian official come this close before…in English?
128 | Stanley Sea Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:11:44pm |
re: #105 Charles Johnson
I see Andrew Sullivan is doing his Rand Paul fanboy thing again. With this, and the constant bashing of atheists and increasing focus on religion I’m seeing fewer and fewer reasons to read his site.
I pretty much avoid Sundays there.
129 | Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:11:58pm |
re: #117 Bubblehead II
Not dead yet.
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No. of Pages posted: 0Can’t desecrate a corpse if it isn’t dead. On the other hand, you can, well we wont go there.
Sorry—what the irish call “a quick man with a shovel”.
130 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:14:24pm |
re: #3 Kragar
BTW, anyone who ruins Breaking Bad tonight will face fiery retribution.
No spoilers about tonight here, but I do have a nice piece about the show’s many guns. Tonight we’ll likely see what that M60 will be used for. Although, it is very much in Walter White’s nature to have the operator’s manual for the gun he plans to wreck havoc with.
131 | Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:14:33pm |
re: #125 sagehen
He’s also becoming rather obsessive about opposing the Greater Israel Lobby (sic), and says if Syria has to give up chemical weapons and Iran has to give up nukes then Israel should also dismantle their non-conventional capacity. Because Jews have some baseless paranoia that anybody might want them all dead, it’s been more than 60 years already get over it.
I think he’s always been severely anti-Israel.
132 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:16:35pm |
re: #114 Killgore Trout
He also has a very unhealthy obsession with Sarah Palin’s handicapped child. The man’s a loon. That’s not a figure of speech, I think he has mental problems.
That last would make him especially unwelcome today, since today is Down’s Syndrome Awareness Day.
133 | Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:19:20pm |
re: #119 Targetpractice
“All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.”
Silver spoons to some mouths, golden spoons to others
Dare a man to change the given order
Dammit, though they tell us, “All of us are brothers”
Never was it true this side of Jordan
134 | Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:22:09pm |
re: #126 Decatur Deb
Has a senior Iranian official come this close before…in English?
I think so, but there are fine lines so we’re talking about minutia. It usually is phrased a bit more vaguely, usually just a blanket condemnation or atrocities in general with something thrown in about Israel and the Palestinians. Rouhani did his version of the same dance…
“We condemn the killing of innocent people, whether it happened in Nazi Germany or whether it’s happening in Palestine,” Zarif said. “[The] Holocaust was a heinous crime, it was a genocide, it must never be allowed to be repeated, but that crime cannot be and should not be a justification to trample the rights of the Palestinian people for 60 years.”
I have no idea what he believes personally but he’s a smart guy and probably knows the holocaust actually happened but the press back home will claim he didn’t say that. His statements were for Western consumption.
135 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Sep 29, 2013 5:23:02pm |
re: #132 Dark_Falcon
That last would make him especially unwelcome today, since today is Down’s Syndrome Awareness Day.
It’s my granddaughter’s birthday, she has Down.
136 | CuriousLurker Sun, Sep 29, 2013 6:17:58pm |
re: #101 Decatur Deb
Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif: Holocaust a ‘Heinous Crime’ and a ‘Genocide’
Buried in the media noise.
Much as it annoys me to agree with KT, he’s right on this one. I just spent the last hour digging through the Khamenei site to find the original Farsi version. It was a major PITA because they use a different calendar, plus I have a hard time reading Persian or Arabic web fonts. It doesn’t help that it’s religious/political speech rather than the street slang & literary stuff I cut my teeth on.
Anyway, after using Google Translate to determine where the exact sentence was, I located the word in question and ran it through my preferred online Farsi dictionary, then followed up by dragging out my meat world Persian
dictionaries. It means fable, myth, or by-word, no getting around it. The actual part of the sentence in Farsi is (hope it survives being posted):
در باب افسانه ى كشتار يهوديان - معروف به هلوكاست
در باب
- concerning, on the subject of, regarding
افسانه
- fable, myth, or by-word (the ى after it simply means “of”, connecting it to the verb + subject that follow)
كشتار
- killing, slaughter
يهوديان
- Jews
معروف به
- known as (when used aloneمعروف
means “famous”, so it denotes something well or commonly known)
هلوكاست
- this is a transliteration of the word Holocaust