GOP Rebranding: Senate Republicans Block Minimum Wage Legislation

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And today in the Senate, the Republican Party demonstrated once again their great concern for the working people of America by filibustering another minimum wage hike.

Mitch McConnell

As expected, Senate Republicans voted on Wednesday to block debate on legislation to raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10 per hour.

The procedural motion to begin debate received 54 votes for, and 42 against — short of the 60 needed to break a filibuster.

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264 comments
1 Bulworth  Apr 30, 2014 10:25:31am

Unemployment and income inequality can only be cured with moar tax cuts, less regulation, and repealing the ACA.

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2 Kragar  Apr 30, 2014 10:28:08am

I’m really getting fed up with the GOPs bullshit

3 freetoken  Apr 30, 2014 10:28:40am

That a simple majority in the Senate is not enough to open up a debate on an issue is so antiquated.

4 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 10:28:41am

re: #1 Bulworth

Unemployment and income inequality can only be cured with moar tax cuts, less regulation, and repealing the ACA.

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And screw any funding for infrastructure or weather forecasting.

5 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 10:30:24am
6 Kragar  Apr 30, 2014 10:31:35am
7 Romantic Heretic  Apr 30, 2014 10:32:25am

We won’t stop until we have returned to the 19th Century. Life was so much better for rich white men then. We want those days back and nothing will stop us!

8 Amory Blaine  Apr 30, 2014 10:32:53am

I’m getting real fucking tired of this constant coddling of business. It will cost jobs? Too fucking bad. Can’t stay in business? Too fucking bad. If your business is so pathetic it can’t pay a decent wage, get a fucking job loser and stop polluting our jobs numbers with your shitty business.

9 GunstarGreen  Apr 30, 2014 10:33:10am

So. It’s pretty effed up that you can freely, without any serious effort, block an issue from even coming up for debate in the congress of the United States of America.

10 nines09  Apr 30, 2014 10:33:13am

Didn’t Saint Ronnie Raygun say “A rising tide lifts all boats”? Or was that just bullshit? A wage hike would rise quite a few boats, but the Oligarchy know as the Grifters On Parade don’t think so. Who votes for these jackals? Other hyenas?

11 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 10:33:28am

I DID IT! I used the new button!

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 10:33:49am

God-bother weighs in to support Mitch.
Apparently God is to blame for climate change, not humans.

13 Killgore Trout  Apr 30, 2014 10:34:20am

Nigerian Schoolgirl Update: Nigerian Kidnapped Schoolgirls Forced Into Islam, Marriage

Schoolgirls in Nigeria abducted by suspected members of Boko Haram are being converted to Islam and taken as brides in forced marriages, said Pogu Bitrus, chairman of the Chibok Development Association.

Of the 230 students still missing following an April 14 raid on a school hostel in the Chibok area in the northeastern state of Borno, about 200 are Christians and the rest Muslims, Bitrus, who represents the body of community leaders, said yesterday.

14 Kragar  Apr 30, 2014 10:34:36am

Ah man, Bob Hoskins died.

15 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2014 10:34:46am

We just discussed this downstairs…

If people cannot support themselves and their families from minimum wage, where is the vaunted “dignity of labor”?

And who is there to pick up the slack?

Give you a hint: it ain’t the vaunted Free Market.

16 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 10:35:14am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Nigerian Schoolgirl Update: Nigerian Kidnapped Schoolgirls Forced Into Islam, Marriage

uh huh!

17 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 10:35:45am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

And screw any funding for infrastructure or weather forecasting.

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I think the Democrats should say that there will be no disaster relief funding for the south until we find offsets in the budget.

Pay back is a bitch.

18 Kragar  Apr 30, 2014 10:36:14am

re: #17 Timothy Watson

I think the Democrats should say that there will be no disaster relief funding for the south until we find offsets in the budget.

Pay back is a bitch.

Don’t start this shit.

19 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2014 10:36:37am

re: #17 Timothy Watson

I think the Democrats should say that there will be no disaster relief funding for the south until we find offsets in the budget.

Pay back is a bitch.

But who is actually getting punished by doing that?

20 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 10:37:06am

re: #18 Kragar

Don’t start this shit.

Why not? If people don’t want to deal with tornados and their aftermath, move some place else.

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 10:37:07am

re: #17 Timothy Watson

I think the Democrats should say that there will be no disaster relief funding for the south until we find offsets in the budget.

Pay back is a bitch.

I understand the sentiment, but that just isn’t right. And it doesn’t fix any problems.

22 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 10:37:08am

Cue the wingnuts folks!

23 Killgore Trout  Apr 30, 2014 10:37:11am

Schoolgirls kidnapped in Nigeria being forced to marry their captors

Boko Haram militants selling abducted girls into marriage for $12. Human rights group says villagers reporting that scores of girls are being transported into neighboring countries of Chad and Cameroon.

I’m not a big fan of paying ransoms but by don’t we get on kickstarter and raise a couple hundred bucks and get them all back?

24 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 30, 2014 10:37:11am

re: #17 Timothy Watson

I think the Democrats should say that there will be no disaster relief funding for the south until we find offsets in the budget.

Pay back is a bitch.

They will have no problem with that, just cut more out of Food Stamps, road building and weather forecasting services…

25 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 10:37:17am

re: #19 Feline Fearless Leader

But who is actually getting punished by doing that?

The dumbasses that vote for the GOP?

26 Archangelus  Apr 30, 2014 10:38:31am

Dear GOP,
On behalf of a whole lot of good hard working American Citizens you just screwed over, allow me to express the following:

Youtube Video

No love,
Archangelus

27 GunstarGreen  Apr 30, 2014 10:38:34am

re: #19 Feline Fearless Leader

But who is actually getting punished by doing that?

The idiot clowns that keep voting against their interests. They make up an overwhelming majority, or the votes in those states wouldn’t keep coming out this way. And if we’re going to take the ‘think about the innocent bystanders’ tack, it’s a little too late for that given that those bystanders just got screwed by the elected asshats once again.

28 Amory Blaine  Apr 30, 2014 10:38:47am

It would be bad. What democrats should say is “although my friends on the other side of the aisle have previously played with American lives by tying desperately needed aid to the budget, we will not and can not do that.” Etc.

29 Kragar  Apr 30, 2014 10:38:54am

re: #25 Timothy Watson

The dumbasses that vote for the GOP?

So everyone is the South votes for the GOP? Just like everyone in CA is a hippie Liberal?

Grow up.

30 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 10:38:54am

re: #25 Timothy Watson

The dumbasses that vote for the GOP?

This is not helpful.

31 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 10:39:03am

re: #22 Gus

Cue the wingnuts folks!

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YA THINK?

32 Bubblehead II  Apr 30, 2014 10:39:03am

re: #17 Timothy Watson

I think the Democrats should say that there will be no disaster relief funding for the south until we find offsets in the budget.

Pay back is a bitch.

Wrong. You don’t fuck with peoples lives for cheap, petty political points. Something the Republicans need to relearn.

33 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 10:40:16am

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Schoolgirls kidnapped in Nigeria being forced to marry their captors

I’m not a big fan of paying ransoms but by don’t we get on kickstarter and raise a couple hundred bucks and get them all back?

Why don’t we get a coalition of UN States to commit to a military intervention to stop this shit?

I FORGOT, women just don’t trump oil.

34 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2014 10:40:37am

re: #25 Timothy Watson

The dumbasses that vote for the GOP?

I seem to recall the popular vote in Florida in 2012 being roughly a 50/50 split. So, once again, who is being punished by this approach?

35 Kragar  Apr 30, 2014 10:40:55am

I’ll gladly let the GOP keep its position as the party of fucking with people in need, thanks.

36 Killgore Trout  Apr 30, 2014 10:42:38am

re: #33 FemNaziBitch

Why don’t we get a coalition of UN States to commit to a military intervention to stop this shit?

I FORGOT, women just don’t trump oil.

I’m stuck thinking a couple dozen well trained commandos could probably get the job done. Maybe the French will step up to the plate on this one.

37 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 30, 2014 10:43:17am

Now that pesky Minimum Wage distraction is out of the way, Ted Cruz can focus on Teh Moast Important Stuffs.

38 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 10:43:23am

If you live in Chicagoland and wonder why you are a big fuzzy today:

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Pollen & Mold Summary
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Trees: High Concentration
Weeds: Moderate Concentration
Grass: Low Concentration
Mold: Moderate Concentration

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Pollen & Mold Detail

(Top three species per category)
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Trees
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1. Oak
2. Poplar, Cottonwood, Aspen
3. Mulberry

Weeds
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1. Nettle family, Pellitory
2. Plantain

Grass
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1. Grass Family, all types

Mold
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1. Cladosporium
2. Ascospores: includes Leptosphaeria, Venturia, Ascobolus, Diatrypaceae, Pleospora, Xylaria, Chaetomium, Sporomiella, Claviceps, Ascomycete, et al.
3. Basidiomycete/Basidiospore

from my email: aaaai.org

39 Kragar  Apr 30, 2014 10:43:55am
40 Romantic Heretic  Apr 30, 2014 10:44:46am

re: #39 Kragar

Once again I’m thinking, “Nice of them to bunch up like that.”

41 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 10:45:00am

re: #39 Kragar

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wannabe army guys in front.

what a bunch of dick waggers.

42 GunstarGreen  Apr 30, 2014 10:45:08am

re: #39 Kragar

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Man, it’s a good thing that we acted when we had the chance and… did absolutely nothing to them. At all.

More of that Grade-A De-escalation, I see.

43 kirkspencer  Apr 30, 2014 10:45:37am

re: #20 Timothy Watson

Why not? If people don’t want to deal with tornados and their aftermath, move some place else.

rant warning.

Oh, how fkng wise. If you’re making next to nothing it’s just so easy to pick up and move. There’s no difficulty finding a place to live (and paying the deposits), there are plenty of jobs for the picking, and the applications for assistance for those who move there are swiftly processed and delivered.

I (to give an anecdotal example) would LOVE to move to any of several blue states. But I have no support net in any of them so it would /all/ be on my back. Me, who is long-term unemployed and has a couple of medical issues, who has less than a grand left in savings. Me and my wife. And I guess I have to abandon the pets I’ve managed to continue supporting - sacrificing all the way but damme I believe in my obligations.

Yep. “Just pick up and move.” Why didn’t I think of that.

end of rant.

44 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 10:46:16am

25% off Friends and Family coupon for Macys.

45 Archangelus  Apr 30, 2014 10:46:48am

The whole notion of the filibuster is downright anti-democratic IMO, given the way it’s been abused. Its use should be documented and there should be a law in place saying that elected senate officials that reach a certain number of filibusters are penalized, perhaps barred from running again for office in the future.
Just a thought OFC but something should really should be done to end this damned nonsense..

46 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 10:47:02am

re: #20 Timothy Watson

Why not? If people don’t want to deal with tornados and their aftermath, move some place else.

Because if it’s not tornados it is something else.

No place is perfectly safe.

47 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 10:48:05am

re: #32 Bubblehead II

Wrong. You don’t fuck with peoples lives for cheap, petty political points. Something the Republicans need to relearn.

It’s called tit-for-tat, if the Democrats continue to be “Mr. NiceGuy” was the GOP constantly works to destroy the country, what’s going to end up happening?

re: #29 Kragar

So everyone is the South votes for the GOP? Just like everyone in CA is a hippie Liberal?

Grow up.

Southern Whites’ Loyalty to G.O.P. Nearing That of Blacks to Democrats

re: #43 kirkspencer

Uh, if you can’t remember what the GOP said about New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, maybe you should refresh your memory.

48 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 10:48:09am

re: #20 Timothy Watson

Why not? If people don’t want to deal with tornados and their aftermath, move some place else.

The other planets aren’t ready yet.

49 klys  Apr 30, 2014 10:48:31am

re: #17 Timothy Watson

I think the Democrats should say that there will be no disaster relief funding for the south until we find offsets in the budget.

Pay back is a bitch.

A lot of other people have addressed why this is really fucking wrong, but since you don’t seem to give a shit about actually being a decent human being on this issue, here’s something else to think about:

The Republicans in Congress would take that as endorsement of the idea that spending needs to be offset by budget cuts and wave it around in the future whenever Democrats want to introduce any kind of spending - because if Democrats are willing to make disaster aid dependent on offsets, why not other things?

The end result would be an even bigger mess in Washington, continuing to screw EVERYONE over. Instead of “just” screwing over the folks who live in the South.

50 Kragar  Apr 30, 2014 10:48:41am

re: #42 GunstarGreen

Man, it’s a good thing that we acted when we had the chance and… did absolutely nothing to them. At all.

More of that Grade-A De-escalation, I see.

So would a government grant to Nevada BLM allowing them to hire a Blackwater team violate posse comitatus?
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51 Amory Blaine  Apr 30, 2014 10:48:54am

re: #44 FemNaziBitch

25% off Friends and Family coupon for Macys.

Aaahhh!! You should put a NSFW (not safe for wife) warning on that!! Boss was standing right behind me.

52 Sionainn  Apr 30, 2014 10:49:18am

re: #46 FemNaziBitch

Because if it’s not tornados it is something else.

No place is perfectly safe.

It’s pretty safe in southern Nevada…well, if you discount the militia running around.

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 10:49:31am

re: #39 Kragar

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Serious moobs on that guy in the upper right. Looks like he’s sporting an underwire bra.

54 Bulworth  Apr 30, 2014 10:49:34am

We need a joint select committee to find out the truth about #Benghazi — NOW: t.co — Senator Ted Cruz (@SenTedCruz)

Well, there haven’t been any congressional hearings on the subject….

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55 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 10:52:22am

re: #47 Timothy Watson

It’s called tit-for-tat, if the Democrats continue to be “Mr. NiceGuy” was the GOP constantly works to destroy the country, what’s going to end up happening?

Southern Whites’ Loyalty to G.O.P. Nearing That of Blacks to Democrats

Uh, if you can’t remember what the GOP said about New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, maybe you should refresh your memory.

You may have caught something from PLL. You seem to think group punishment for the misdeeds of others is a good thing.

56 Testy Toad T  Apr 30, 2014 10:52:43am

re: #47 Timothy Watson

It’s called tit-for-tat, if the Democrats continue to be “Mr. NiceGuy” was the GOP constantly works to destroy the country, what’s going to end up happening?

And your solution is… to have both parties constantly working to destroy the country?

I think your prescription needs work.

57 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 10:52:52am

re: #49 klys

The Republicans in Congress would take that as endorsement of the idea that spending needs to be offset by budget cuts and wave it around in the future whenever Democrats want to introduce any kind of spending - because if Democrats are willing to make disaster aid dependent on offsets, why not other things?

THE GOP ALREADY DID THIS.

Now make them play by their own rules.

58 Kragar  Apr 30, 2014 10:53:03am

re: #47 Timothy Watson

It’s called tit-for-tat, if the Democrats continue to be “Mr. NiceGuy” was the GOP constantly works to destroy the country, what’s going to end up happening?

Southern Whites’ Loyalty to G.O.P. Nearing That of Blacks to Democrats

Uh, if you can’t remember what the GOP said about New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, maybe you should refresh your memory.

You’re saying the democrats would be better off if they started acting like a bunch of racist shitbags?

59 kirkspencer  Apr 30, 2014 10:53:38am

re: #47 Timothy Watson

It’s called tit-for-tat, if the Democrats continue to be “Mr. NiceGuy” was the GOP constantly works to destroy the country, what’s going to end up happening?
[snip]

No it isn’t tit-for-tat. That’s when you strike only at those who did it, not when you completely ignore collateral damage.re: #47 Timothy Watson

Uh, if you can’t remember what the GOP said about New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, maybe you should refresh your memory.

Yes, I remember. I’ve got this philosophy, however, that says “He did it first” is not an excuse for misbehavior. Not in children, not in adults.

60 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 30, 2014 10:53:47am
61 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 10:54:19am

re: #51 Amory Blaine

Aaahhh!! You should put a NSFW (not safe for wife) warning on that!! Boss was standing right behind me.

*a-hem* MOTHER’S DAY is coming.

62 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 10:54:41am

re: #52 Sionainn

It’s pretty safe in southern Nevada…well, if you discount the militia running around.

dry and hot.

I consider that an on-going natural disaster.

63 GunstarGreen  Apr 30, 2014 10:54:43am

re: #50 Kragar

So would a government grant to Nevada BLM allowing them to hire a Blackwater team violate posse comitatus?
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Well, they’d be operating under orders from Nevada rather than the Feds, so I would think it’d be fine… ///

But it wouldn’t be Blackwater. Mostly because Blackwater was so proud of what they do that they’ve changed their name like 3 or 4 times.

64 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 10:54:48am

re: #57 Timothy Watson

THE GOP ALREADY DID THIS.

Now make them play by their own rules.

You’re actually in favor of re-punishing the victims of the Republicans. Whose side are you on?

65 kirkspencer  Apr 30, 2014 10:54:49am

re: #57 Timothy Watson

THE GOP ALREADY DID THIS.

Now make them play by their own rules.

Excuse me, but as I recall not all Republicans agreed with Mr. King.

66 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 10:55:07am

re: #59 kirkspencer

No it isn’t tit-for-tat. That’s when you strike only at those who did it, not when you completely ignore collateral damage.

Yes, I remember. I’ve got this philosophy, however, that says “He did it first” is not an excuse for misbehavior. Not in children, not in adults.

So, the GOP and the dumbasses that vote for them get everything they want while screwing over everyone else but the Democrats won’t call them on it.

See how well that works.

67 Testy Toad T  Apr 30, 2014 10:55:20am

re: #65 kirkspencer

Excuse me, but as I recall not all Republicans agreed with Mr. King.

Wouldn’t even matter if they did.

68 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 10:55:34am

re: #60 Pie-onist Overlord

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Or Arabs in a remote location?

69 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 10:56:07am

Yeah. The White House denying federal aid to Republican districts. Beyond the humane aspect that would work out really well in both the media and politically. Kind of a hair brained idea.

70 Testy Toad T  Apr 30, 2014 10:56:15am

re: #66 Timothy Watson

So, the GOP and the dumbasses that vote for them get everything they want while screwing over everyone else but the Democrats won’t call them on it.

See how well that works.

Your “call them out on it” is my “let newly-homeless lower-middle-class folks sleep in the mud”.

Tomayto, tomahto.

71 Lidane  Apr 30, 2014 10:56:20am

re: #2 Kragar

I’m really getting fed up with the GOPs bullshit

I’ve been fed up with their bullshit since 1992. It’s only gotten worse since 2008.

I wonder what happened that year to make them completely lose their goddamn minds. Nothing comes to mind. :-P

72 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 10:56:40am

Boyz and their toyz
Thieves in UK Are Using Drones to Locate and Steal From Cannabis Farms

73 freetoken  Apr 30, 2014 10:56:56am

Congressional delegation backs aid for Alabama

Alabama’s congressional delegation has written a letter to the president supporting the governor’s request for an emergency declaration for Alabama.

Gov. Robert Bentley is seeking the declaration for severe storms, tornadoes and flooding that hit the state this week.

The letter from the congressional delegation urges approval of federal financial support for debris removal and emergency protective measures.

[…]

74 kirkspencer  Apr 30, 2014 10:57:07am

re: #66 Timothy Watson

So, the GOP and the dumbasses that vote for them get everything they want while screwing over everyone else but the Democrats won’t call them on it.

See how well that works.

Not what I said, much less what I meant.

When you’re done exaggerating and running hyperbolic let me know. In the meantime I’ll continue calling the idiots idiots and working to move that last little margin in places so the R’s no longer have power.

Instead of pissing off and destroying our potential allies.

75 b.d.  Apr 30, 2014 10:57:18am

re: #39 Kragar

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I see that goatees are standard militia face hair these days.

76 klys  Apr 30, 2014 10:57:19am

re: #57 Timothy Watson

THE GOP ALREADY DID THIS.

Now make them play by their own rules.

You know, I don’t see where I said that Republicans hadn’t done that.

I did say that that if Democrats do it, Republicans will use it as a tool to say that Democrats believe all spending should be offset with budget cuts.

77 Lidane  Apr 30, 2014 10:58:35am

re: #17 Timothy Watson

I think the Democrats should say that there will be no disaster relief funding for the south until we find offsets in the budget.

Pay back is a bitch.

No. Disaster relief is and should always be non-partisan. You shouldn’t punish people who’ve had their house destroyed by a tornado or some sort of freak storm because their Senators or legislators are from one party or another. That’s not right.

78 kirkspencer  Apr 30, 2014 11:00:37am

Just to clarify, my oath was to a document that begins “We the people” not “We some of the people”.

79 Amory Blaine  Apr 30, 2014 11:01:00am

My (now non-smoking) mom still has the Mother’s Day ashtray I made in kindergarten class.

80 b.d.  Apr 30, 2014 11:01:03am

Evil Spock was the last person to look good with a goatee.

81 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 11:01:05am

re: #47 Timothy Watson

It’s called tit-for-tat, if the Democrats continue to be “Mr. NiceGuy” was the GOP constantly works to destroy the country, what’s going to end up happening?

Southern Whites’ Loyalty to G.O.P. Nearing That of Blacks to Democrats

Uh, if you can’t remember what the GOP said about New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, maybe you should refresh your memory.

I guess my response would be to confess understanding the sentiment, but pointing out that if you do what you castigate your opponent for doing, then you’re just playing a game, not trying to improve the country and the world, and you have to decide what you’re trying to accomplish.

82 klys  Apr 30, 2014 11:01:08am

re: #78 kirkspencer

Just to clarify, my oath was to a document that begins “We the people” not “We some of the people”.

Not “We the people who agree with my political viewpoint”?

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83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 11:01:18am

I live in a deeply, DEEPLY, lunatic libertarian area of eastern Kentucky. We get unending natural disasters, as well as man-made ones due to coal companies.
I lived in Illinois’ tornado alley for 18+ years (my house there was hit three times by tornado glancing blows).
I lived in the Greater Cincinnati area for 10+ years and managed to survive an F5 tornado, and several smaller ones.
I lived in various parts of New York state for 10+ years, where we were subjected to massive winter storms and subsequent Spring floods.
I spent the first three years of my life around Nashville, Tenn., and my very earliest memory is of watching a tornado barreling down on our house while I looked through the kitchen screendoor.
One of my sisters lives in Volusia Couty, Fla., and hurricanes are an annual event for her.
Another sister lives in North Carolina. Ice storms ALL THE TIME.
Oh, and now we have earthquakes at least once a month.

But I have loved every place I have lived, despite Mother Nature’s tantrums and, as klys mentioned, there is NO place that is disaster-free.
To turn disaster assistance into a political football is something I refuse to do.

84 Kragar  Apr 30, 2014 11:02:06am

This fucktard:

85 klys  Apr 30, 2014 11:02:34am

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

I live in a deeply, DEEPLY, lunatic libertarian area of eastern Kentucky. We get unending natural disasters, as well as man-made ones due to coal companies.
I lived in Illinois’ tornado alley for 18+ years (my house there was hit three times by tornado glancing blows).
I lived in the Greater Cincinnati area for 10+ years and managed to survive an F5 tornado, and several smaller ones.
I lived in various parts of New York state for 10+ years, where we were subjected to massive winter storms and subsequent Spring floods.
I spent the first three years of my life around Nashville, Tenn., and my very earliest memory is of watching a tornado barreling down on our house while I looked through the kitchen screendoor.
One of my sisters lives in Volusia Couty, Fla., and hurricanes are an annual event for her.
Another sister lives in North Carolina. Ice storms ALL THE TIME.
Oh, and now we have earthquakes at least once a month.

But I have loved every place I have lived, despite Mother Nature’s tantrums and, as klys mentioned, there is NO place that is disaster-free.
To turn disaster assistance into a political football is something I refuse to do.

YOU REPUBLICAN HEATHEN, REPENT, REPENT, AND MOVE TO SOME HIPPIE LIBERAL LAND BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.

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Oh, you mean it doesn’t work like that? Huh.

86 Mike Lamb  Apr 30, 2014 11:03:25am

Rebranding only applies to women and minorities with money.

87 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 11:03:29am

re: #74 kirkspencer

Not what I said, much less what I meant.

When you’re done exaggerating and running hyperbolic let me know. In the meantime I’ll continue calling the idiots idiots and working to move that last little margin in places so the R’s no longer have power.

Instead of pissing off and destroying our potential allies.

Potential allies? Where…exactly? GOP congressmen get all the pork they want for their districts and states while telling everyone to go die.

re: #77 Lidane

No. Disaster relief is and should always be non-partisan. You shouldn’t punish people who’ve had their house destroyed by a tornado or some sort of freak storm because their Senators or legislators are from one party or another. That’s not right.

And how, exactly, do you get rid of the congressmen who voted to screw over the people in New Orleans and New York City?

Those congressmen called disaster relief “unconstitutional”, “welfare”, a “bailout”, etc. They demanded, and got, spending offsets. They wasted weeks on that bullshit while people suffered.

How, exactly, do you get the dumbasses that whine about “moochers” and “welfare queens” to not vote for these GOP congressmen, who have no problem delivering disaster relief and massive amount of pork to their districts and state?

88 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:03:52am

Let’s review the list of changes I never imagined to happen in my lifetime.

1-Earthquake in Chile caused the Earth to tilt on it’s axis
2-Tsumani in Japan caused us to lose a fraction of a nano-second on our day
(Actually, I get these first two very confused—but the results are true)
3-Total, instant, global communication
4-China is now the Global Economic Superpower
5-There is a black man in the White House.
6-Non-white births exceed white births in the USA
7-They changed the rules in Monopoly
8-Spock is in touch with his feelings.

So here we are. I, an extremely creative individual at age nearly 50 years old cognizant of the fact that these things have actually happened. I seek assistance from friends and professionals to help me find my place in all of it.

I can grasp that many are freaking out. Clinging to their religion and their guns.

I prefer meds and therapy, but that’s just me.

I think I understand why my parents generation used alcohol and valium. AS fast as it seems my world has changed, they had WWI and WWII to cope with.

I REALLY DON’T WANT TO LIVE TO SEE WWIII.

UPDATED

9-Marijuana decriminalization and legalization in some place in the USA.

89 Amory Blaine  Apr 30, 2014 11:04:37am

re: #39 Kragar

All but one of them has a goatee. A trend?

90 Lidane  Apr 30, 2014 11:04:52am

I live in Texas. Accepting the idea that people who vote differently from me shouldn’t get disaster relief would mean saying that the Texas coasts shouldn’t get federal aid when a hurricane hits because they’re majority Republican counties. It’s no different than the GOP idiots who called Chris Christie a traitor for talking to POTUS after Hurricane Sandy.

Screw that noise. It’s the government’s job to step in and help when a disaster strikes regardless of party affiliation. We never, ever want to go down that road.

91 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 11:06:00am

re: #88 FemNaziBitch

I REALLY DON’T WANT TO LIVE TO SEE WWIII.

I imagine you won’t have to, for one or more reasons.

92 Lidane  Apr 30, 2014 11:06:12am

re: #87 Timothy Watson

And how, exactly, do you get rid of the congressmen who voted to screw over the people in New Orleans and New York City?

You find electable candidates of the other party and run them. That’s how. You don’t do it by punishing people who’ve already been hurt by a disaster.

93 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 11:06:27am

re: #87 Timothy Watson

Potential allies? Where…exactly? GOP congressmen get all the pork they want for their districts and states while telling everyone to go die.

And how, exactly, do you get rid of the congressmen who voted to screw over the people in New Orleans and New York City?

Those congressmen called disaster relief “unconstitutional”, “welfare”, a “bailout”, etc. They demanded, and got, spending offsets. They wasted weeks on that bullshit while people suffered.

How, exactly, do you get the dumbasses that whine about “moochers” and “welfare queens” to not vote for these GOP congressmen, who have no problem delivering disaster relief and massive amount of pork to their districts and state?

It’s called ‘community organizing’. It’s also called ‘politics’. Politics is not commenting on blogs or serving in office. Politics is talking to people, getting them to register to vote, and making sure they turn out on election day. It’s a lot of work. But that’s how it’s done.

94 Khal Wimpo  Apr 30, 2014 11:06:35am

re: #66 Timothy Watson

So, the GOP and the dumbasses that vote for them get everything they want while screwing over everyone else but the Democrats won’t call them on it.

See how well that works.

By no means do they “get everything they want.” But a strategy of indiscriminately punishing people because they disagree with you politically doesn’t work out so well, actually.

And if you want to “see” that - well, check out how tit-for-tat is working out for Chris Christie. You really want to get in the same boat with that guy? Government is to be run as a ruthless spoils system, where you dole out coin to your friends and starve your perceived enemies?

And before you say, “That’s the way it is now!” Seriously, it is not. It is not. I have worked with many government agencies and cops and firefighters do not check your voter registration before rolling patrol cars/ambulances to your house. Road crews don’t check the signs in your yard before patching a pothole.

This is a dark path you seem to want to walk down. Take a deep breath. Don’t let anger blind you to your basic humanity.

95 darthstar  Apr 30, 2014 11:06:59am

re: #89 Amory Blaine

All but one of them has a goatee. A trend?

But the guy without a goatee has a nice set of moobs…not that I’m objectifying him because of his manly cleavage…I’m sure he’s got a great personality.

96 GunstarGreen  Apr 30, 2014 11:07:11am

re: #84 Kragar

This fucktard:

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Why would you bother, Kragar? These are the kinds of people that fully believe that torture is fine as long as it’s us doing it to them. What do you hope to accomplish by trying to argue higher moral standards with them?

97 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 11:07:35am

re: #92 Lidane

You find electable candidates of the other party and run them. That’s how. You don’t do it by punishing people who’ve already been hurt by a disaster.

Let me know how well those candidates do in R+20 districts.

98 A Mom Anon  Apr 30, 2014 11:07:42am

re: #20 Timothy Watson

OK, not everyone in the South is a knuckledragging, confederate flag waving asshole. Like me for instance, I’ve always been liberal. I also don’t vote against my best interests, even though a lot of the time I don’t have a choice except Republican, which means I either skip that part of the ballot or write someone in.

As for this “oh if you don’t like it there move”, that is callous horseshit. I have a home here that I would have to sell at a loss, and then there’s the expense of moving and finding gainful employment and affordable housing in my desired part of the country (in our case, it’s the Pacific NW or the far NE corner of the country). If I could have done that I would have by now, believe me. Try uprooting a family sometime, get back to me once you figure out the cost of that and trying to get someone to buy your fully remodeled 35 yr old house that’s surrounded by new construction. Oh, and that job thing, that’s kind of important too. Unless you’re an executive, no one is going to pay for you to move either. We’re blue collar here, tell me exactly how that’s supposed to work.

A HUGE part of the reason the South is like it is is because Democrats do not invest in viable candidates here, they spend no money challenging crazy people in the tea party and do no community outreach. They won’t fight back, they’ve written us off down here outside of the small areas of blue. I have lived here for most of the last 30 years and NOT ONCE has a democrat knocked on my door, but plenty of republicans have. I’m in Georgia, and this coming election is the first one I can remember in a LONG time where there was a chance of a Democrat or two actually winning some key offices. But on the local level there’s no chance in hell of a dem running, and my House representative will most likely run unchallenged, AGAIN.

We’re Americans, writing us off is not all that, well, American.

99 klys  Apr 30, 2014 11:08:19am

re: #87 Timothy Watson

How, exactly, do you get the dumbasses that whine about “moochers” and “welfare queens” to not vote for these GOP congressmen, who have no problem delivering disaster relief and massive amount of pork to their districts and state?

Through the efforts of people like DD, who work as boots on the ground to support the Democrats there and to help people navigate the ACA signups, for example.

Not through bullshit collective punishment advocated by someone who doesn’t live in the region and puts no actual effort into changing hearts or minds.

100 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2014 11:08:24am
101 Internet Tough Guy  Apr 30, 2014 11:08:31am

THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL YOU VOTE THE WAY I WANT YOU TOO

102 jaunte  Apr 30, 2014 11:08:47am
103 darthstar  Apr 30, 2014 11:08:55am

re: #96 GunstarGreen

Why would you bother, Kragar? These are the kinds of people that fully believe that torture is fine as long as it’s us doing it to them. What do you hope to accomplish by trying to argue higher moral standards with them?

Agreed. Just come up with a stock response like, “You sound like a good christian” and leave it at that.

104 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 11:09:14am

re: #98 A Mom Anon

As for this “oh if you don’t like it there move”, that is callous horseshit. I have a home here that I would have to sell at a loss, and then there’s the expense of moving and finding gainful employment and affordable housing in my desired part of the country (in our case, it’s the Pacific NW or the far NE corner of the country).

Was it not obvious that I was just repeating, exactly, word for word, what the GOP said about people who lived in New Orleans?

105 kirkspencer  Apr 30, 2014 11:09:47am

re: #87 Timothy Watson

Potential allies? Where…exactly? GOP congressmen get all the pork they want for their districts and states while telling everyone to go die.

And how, exactly, do you get rid of the congressmen who voted to screw over the people in New Orleans and New York City?

Those congressmen called disaster relief “unconstitutional”, “welfare”, a “bailout”, etc. They demanded, and got, spending offsets. They wasted weeks on that bullshit while people suffered.

How, exactly, do you get the dumbasses that whine about “moochers” and “welfare queens” to not vote for these GOP congressmen, who have no problem delivering disaster relief and massive amount of pork to their districts and state?

You start by putting down the broad brush. You look where many of those congressmen are being elected and notice a lot of margins are less than 10%, some less than 5%, and that only half of eligible voters are getting out to vote. Which means you realize that instead of insulting everyone in the district you go door to door and persuade the ones who think it’s no use that if they vote that idiot in office goes away.

You do it by fighting against the voter suppression and apathy. You do it by laying out fact after fact. You do it by showing that liberals aren’t enemies who hate the US - that the people who call them that are lying.

You do it brick by brick and step by painful step. And you do not burn bridges; let the other side do it, and work with the ones that are left.

Case example: Obamacare. It works, and it is definitely but slowly changing the minds of a lot of people who voted Republican because of that, and because we didn’t say, “Screw the people in Red states.”

The south is (probably) going to take a couple of generations, but there are some indicators that rural areas elsewhere are changing from R to D. Why? Because R’s block relief while D’s don’t. Because D’s turned out to be right about Obamacare. Because D’s aren’t the ones wanting to kill farm relief bills in retaliation for food stamp cuts.

That’s how.

106 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 11:09:47am

re: #97 Timothy Watson

Let me know how well those candidates do in R+20 districts.

Notice those tables are based on data from certain years? Know why? Because the data CHANGES with every election. I wonder how THAT happens…

107 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 11:10:14am

Completely OT - except perhaps for the conversation about goatees - but we’ve given up on trying to manage the ivy on our property, and will be bringing in the professionals.

Goats.

Mrs. Jockey just had The Goat Man over for an estimate. 50 goats, 1 week, $600. Mrs. J. was favorably impressed, since she thought it would be more.

I’m not sure how the logistics vis a vis the Greyhounds will work out. The Eskie looks like a goat, so she’d probably be fine.

108 jaunte  Apr 30, 2014 11:10:57am

re: #96 GunstarGreen

Why would you bother, Kragar? These are the kinds of people that fully believe that torture is fine as long as it’s us doing it to them. What do you hope to accomplish by trying to argue higher moral standards with them?

I appreciate that he puts the argument to them. Other people will be seeing it too.

109 Kragar  Apr 30, 2014 11:11:36am

re: #96 GunstarGreen

Why would you bother, Kragar? These are the kinds of people that fully believe that torture is fine as long as it’s us doing it to them. What do you hope to accomplish by trying to argue higher moral standards with them?

Silence achieves nothing.

110 Ian G.  Apr 30, 2014 11:11:53am

re: #17 Timothy Watson

I think the Democrats should say that there will be no disaster relief funding for the south until we find offsets in the budget.

Pay back is a bitch.

No. People, real human beings, are suffering. Let the sociopaths on the right exploit suffering for political points. We’re better than that.

Cue up ol’ Fred Nietzsche:
He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.

111 Amory Blaine  Apr 30, 2014 11:12:33am

re: #99 klys

Hat tip to Decatur Deb for all the good work he does.

112 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 11:12:41am

re: #107 GeneJockey

My goats loved poison ivy. I only have one left now and she has a lot to keep up with, but does a pretty fine job.

113 klys  Apr 30, 2014 11:12:47am

re: #97 Timothy Watson

Let me know how well those candidates do in R+20 districts.

Well, since you have all the answers, are you just going to give those folks the land and write them off? Kick them out of the country? Haul them into “re-education camps” until they understand how they’re wrong and start voting Democrat?

It’s for the good of the country, of course, since the Republicans are destroying it, right?

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Seriously, I just can’t even. At least when PLL pulls one of these, he doesn’t double-down repeatedly.

114 Lidane  Apr 30, 2014 11:12:49am

re: #97 Timothy Watson

Let me know how well those candidates do in R+20 districts.

The answer isn’t punishing people in a disaster, though. Doing that is completely unethical and immoral. The government has a responsibility to help all its citizens when their homes are flattened by tornadoes or torn apart in a hurricane. They can’t and shouldn’t pick and choose.

Deciding who gets disaster aid because of voter registration is just as discriminatory as deciding who gets aid because of skin color or gender. It’s wrong. Yes, the Republican Party is batshit insane. You don’t make things any better by saying that their voters should lose everything they own in a storm because of it.

115 klys  Apr 30, 2014 11:14:05am

re: #111 Amory Blaine

Hat tip to Decatur Deb for all the good work he does.

I have a ton of admiration for all he does to change hearts and minds. I have it relatively easy here in my liberal paradise of CA. He’s got my respect.

116 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2014 11:14:51am

There’s that famed GOP concern about jobs.//

117 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 11:14:56am

Two dead and nine injured. The only link about it I found so far repeatedly opens popups. I had to kill it.

118 freetoken  Apr 30, 2014 11:15:18am

I would have no problem with the aid checks being distributed with the following label: “This funding provided to you courtesy of your fellow Americans, and as a result of the 10th and 16th Amendments of the US Constitution.”

119 Ian G.  Apr 30, 2014 11:15:21am

re: #84 Kragar

This fucktard:

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Fuck it, let’s just re-instate floggings and crucifixions. If torture was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for America!

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120 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 11:15:37am

re: #110 Ian G.

No. People, real human beings, are suffering. Let the sociopaths on the right exploit suffering for political points. We’re better than that.

Cue up ol’ Fred Nietzsche:
He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.

This is a problem I struggled with in debating Conservatives. A dear friend of mine advised me that one should limit how much you wrassle with pigs, because you both end up covered in pig shit.

It’s like terrorism - if you respond to terrorism with more terrorism, you’re no better than they are. Similarly, if you respond to people who withhold aid from certain places because those places are full of the opposition by doing the same, you become no better than they are, no matter how good your initial intentions.

121 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 11:16:36am

oh dear…

122 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 11:16:51am

re: #106 wrenchwench

Notice those tables are based on data from certain years? Know why? Because the data CHANGES with every election. I wonder how THAT happens…

Yes, the south has become more and more supportive of the Republican party and will continue to do so. The tables are based on presidential election years, and how much each district was supportive of each presidential candidate. Per Cook’s methodology, that are a record low of 99 “swing sweats”. Per my scan through of the data, there are exactly 0 swing seats in the Deep South, and only three in South period (1 in Kentucky and 2 in Virginia).

No Democratic candidate anywhere in the Deep South will win any more of those seats in the Deep South.

123 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 11:17:34am

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

My goats loved poison ivy. I only have one left now and she has a lot to keep up with, but does a pretty fine job.

Ours, fortunately, is just English Ivy, but our lot, next to a creek, is really perfect for it apparently.

124 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 11:17:36am

re: #117 wrenchwench

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Two dead and nine injured. The only link about it I found so far repeatedly opens popups. I had to kill it.

currentargus.com

125 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2014 11:18:28am

re: #9 GunstarGreen

So. It’s pretty effed up that you can freely, without any serious effort, block an issue from even coming up for debate in the congress of the United States of America.

I’d like to see it go back to where if you were seriously opposed, you actually had to Filibuster, stand there on your hind legs and keep talking. (you know, like in Texas).

The way they have the rules now, it’s almost like this: “If we said we might filibuster, would you have the votes to stop us, so let’s pretend we did and we won”.

When I play golf, I can’t just hit my tee shot, pick up the ball, and say, “Well, 1 more shot I’d have been on the green, and I’d 2 putt, so I have a par”.

The filibuster allows a strongly committed minority to prevent the majority from riding roughshod, but now it’s a faux-fili and that’s just not right.

RBS

126 GunstarGreen  Apr 30, 2014 11:18:48am

re: #118 freetoken

I would have no problem with the aid checks being distributed with the following label: “This funding provided to you courtesy of your fellow Americans, and as a result of the 10th and 16th Amendments of the US Constitution.”

Or, perhaps if we feel up to being a bit more cheeky, distributed alongside a letter that reads something similar to the following:

Below are a list of current congresspeople who have stalled, delayed, voted against, or in some way endeavored to prevent this sort of aid from being distributed in this and prior disasters.
< names, states, districts, party affiliations go here >

127 Mike Lamb  Apr 30, 2014 11:18:54am

re: #54 Bulworth

We need a joint select committee to find out the truth about #Benghazi — NOW: t.co — Senator Ted Cruz (@SenTedCruz)

Well, there haven’t been any congressional hearings on the subject….

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But it’s joint and select! The others were just joint (as in you had to be high to believe the shit they were investigating) or select (as in only a select few idiots actually think the Admin did something untoward re: Benghazi).

128 jaunte  Apr 30, 2014 11:18:56am

re: #117 wrenchwench

Just south of Carlsbad, NM.

129 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 11:19:07am

re: #114 Lidane

The answer isn’t punishing people in a disaster, though. Doing that is completely unethical and immoral. The government has a responsibility to help all its citizens when their homes are flattened by tornadoes or torn apart in a hurricane. They can’t and shouldn’t pick and choose.

Deciding who gets disaster aid because of voter registration is just as discriminatory as deciding who gets aid because of skin color or gender. It’s wrong. Yes, the Republican Party is batshit insane. You don’t make things any better by saying that their voters should lose everything they own in a storm because of it.

Make them suffer the damage that their congressmen has inflicted on everyone outside their district and maybe they’re grow a brain stem.

They live in the world where the “welfare queens” and “moochers” (i.e., people in need) are coming for their money, maybe if they suffer in the same way, they might come out of the Ayn Rand bullshit paradise.

130 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2014 11:19:10am

re: #122 Timothy Watson

Yes, the south has become more and more supportive of the Republican party and will continue to do so. The tables are based on presidential election years, and how much each district was supportive of each presidential candidate. Per Cook’s methodology, that are a record low of 99 “swing sweats”. Per my scan through of the data, there are exactly 0 swing seats in the Deep South, and only three in South period (1 in Kentucky and 2 in Virginia).

No Democratic candidate anywhere in the Deep South will win any more of those seats in the Deep South.

The only thing that will change the Deep South is demographics. Virginia used to be as red as states like South Carolina and others are today but became more purple since the state started to grow more culturally diverse. I think that’s why the GOP oppose immigration reform so much. They know that they’ve alienated so many immigrants that will for sure vote Democratic so they want to deny them the right to assimilate into America easily.

131 klys  Apr 30, 2014 11:19:18am

re: #122 Timothy Watson

And so the only possible way you think they will become less supportive of the Republicans is by …having Democrats withhold disaster aid.

Brilliant. I don’t know why we didn’t think of that.

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132 Sionainn  Apr 30, 2014 11:19:52am

re: #62 FemNaziBitch

dry and hot.

I consider that an on-going natural disaster.

The dry heat is the saving grace. If it were humid, it would be miserable.

133 Ian G.  Apr 30, 2014 11:19:56am

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, that’s a can of worms. Silver really had to act because he was likely facing an insurrection from the players’ association if he didn’t. A player boycott of the playoffs would be a catastrophe for the league.

Until there’s a similar level of outrage about the Redskins name to the point where NFL players threaten to refuse to take the field, nothing will ever be done, and sadly, until the NFL is a league that recruits exclusively from places like western South Dakota or northern Arizona, we’re not going to see major action. The best we can hope for is teams making incremental change, like the Indians removing Chief Wahoo from their caps.

134 Mike Lamb  Apr 30, 2014 11:20:01am

re: #60 Pie-onist Overlord

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You don’t have to wonder. Remember the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the two New Black Panthers outside of the polling station in Philly?

135 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 11:20:17am

re: #122 Timothy Watson

Yes, the south has become more and more supportive of the Republican party and will continue to do so. The tables are based on presidential election years, and how much each district was supportive of each presidential candidate. Per Cook’s methodology, that are a record low of 99 “swing sweats”. Per my scan through of the data, there are exactly 0 swing seats in the Deep South, and only three in South period (1 in Kentucky and 2 in Virginia).

No Democratic candidate anywhere in the Deep South will win any more of those seats in the Deep South.

One thing I learned by going door to door talking politics with random humans is that I need to save time and mental energy by not wasting it with people who cling tightly to stupid ideas.

I’m leaving your porch now.

136 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:20:17am
137 freetoken  Apr 30, 2014 11:20:18am

I was going to do another This is America, 2014 entry but there is so much creationist derp flowing freely that it’d be arbitrary of me to just pick one or two examples today.

And yes, much of what the GOP is today is directly related to the religiosity of the people and districts in which the GOP has found power.

138 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 11:20:36am

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

currentargus.com

That’s the one.

139 Lidane  Apr 30, 2014 11:20:42am

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

Harry Reid has gotten really good at being the Senate’s honey badger and openly trolling the right.

140 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:20:48am

GAWD! I love that face!

141 jaunte  Apr 30, 2014 11:21:02am

re: #131 klys

And so the only possible way you think they will become less supportive of the Republicans is by …having Democrats withhold disaster aid.

Texas conservatives have already devised ways of withholding federal money from themselves, so it probably wouldn’t work.

142 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:22:17am

re: #132 Sionainn

The dry heat is the saving grace. If it were humid, it would be miserable.

Yes, but the lack of naturally occurring water does not make the area a safe place, IMHO.

143 A Mom Anon  Apr 30, 2014 11:22:17am

re: #104 Timothy Watson

No it wasn’t since you went on about writing us off down here. And it’s still horseshit and won’t fix a damned thing. Explain to me how denying me help if my house gets creamed by a tornado just to show the GOP what’s what is going to fix a blessed thing.

Here’s the thing, we’re still Americans, even the assholes. And because I am a dyed in the wool liberal, I will STILL fight for my super conservative neighbors to have a safety net if their jobs take a hit, or for their kids to go to schools that don’t graduate ignorant and illiterate kids. Do they piss me off? OMG YES! But if there’s a disaster, we’re all gonna have to work together and our political and religious affiliations won’t mean shit when we’re all pawing through rubble piles trying to salvage pieces of our lives. THAT’S why you don’t punish your neighbors and community members. It’s also why you have to keep fighting and winning over one neighbor at a time. I’m the liberal who has all those family values and is a good mom with a stable home and a great kid, it’s not lost on my neighbors, trust me.

144 freetoken  Apr 30, 2014 11:22:44am

Very warm and windy here today, with a fire hazard.

Tomorrow could be even hotter.

Winter was way too warm and very dry, and now spring is also. This is the worst year I can remember out here.

145 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2014 11:23:41am

re: #143 A Mom Anon

No it wasn’t since you went on about writing us off down here. And it’s still horseshit and won’t fix a damned thing. Explain to me how denying me help if my house gets creamed by a tornado just to show the GOP what’s what is going to fix a blessed thing.

Here’s the thing, we’re still Americans, even the assholes. And because I am a dyed in the wool liberal, I will STILL fight for my super conservative neighbors to have a safety net if their jobs take a hit, or for their kids to go to schools that don’t graduate ignorant and illiterate kids. Do they piss me off? OMG YES! But if there’s a disaster, we’re all gonna have to work together and our political and religious affiliations won’t mean shit when we’re all pawing through rubble piles trying to salvage pieces of our lives. THAT’S why you don’t punish your neighbors and community members. It’s also why you have to keep fighting and winning over one neighbor at a time. I’m the liberal who has all those family values and is a good mom with a stable home and a great kid, it’s not lost on my neighbors, trust me.

This is great you know.Can’t upding it enough.

146 Mike Lamb  Apr 30, 2014 11:24:36am

re: #144 freetoken

Very warm and windy here today, with a fire hazard.

Tomorrow could be even hotter.

Winter was way too warm and very dry, and now spring is also. This is the worst year I can remember out here.

The wildfire season in AZ is going to be bad bad bad this year.

147 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 11:25:02am

re: #130 HappyWarrior

The only thing that will change the Deep South is demographics. Virginia used to be as red as states like South Carolina and others are today but became more purple since the state started to grow more culturally diverse. I think that’s why the GOP oppose immigration reform so much. They know that they’ve alienated so many immigrants that will for sure vote Democratic so they want to deny them the right to assimilate into America easily.

This is what is changing NC. Movement, but it’s a mixed bag, with most folks moving into the state going to the cities or military areas (like Ft Bragg, Camp LeJeune, Seymour AFB, etc) due to job transfers. The fact that many might be from blue states doesn’t necessarily guarantee that they’ll be Dem voters, though. I’ve met enough out-of-staters to know this, and for one thing, Rs aren’t as reluctant to move to the South because the politics suit them. The rural areas still tend to be the worse for reactionary/extremely conservative candidates, due to a lack of education and opportunities, although the cities also have their share.

148 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:26:27am

re: #145 HappyWarrior

This is great you know.Can’t upding it enough.

REALLY! Momanon should use the new button and Page that Post!

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 11:26:37am

re: #138 wrenchwench

That’s the one.

I’m not getting popups there.

150 Sionainn  Apr 30, 2014 11:27:22am

re: #142 FemNaziBitch

Yes, but the lack of naturally occurring water does not make the area a safe place, IMHO.

Hmmm….good point.

151 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 11:27:24am

re: #146 Mike Lamb

The wildfire season in AZ is going to be bad bad bad this year.

NM too. We’ve already had a grass fire nearby, but the last few years that’s not unusual for spring. A few years ago 20 houses burned in March.

152 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:27:30am

re: #130 HappyWarrior

The only thing that will change the Deep South is demographics. Virginia used to be as red as states like South Carolina and others are today but became more purple since the state started to grow more culturally diverse. I think that’s why the GOP oppose immigration reform so much. They know that they’ve alienated so many immigrants that will for sure vote Democratic so they want to deny them the right to assimilate into America easily.

And demographics are changing. When the current crop of youngun’s get’s to be voting age we will see another set of paradigms change.

I’ll probably in in the psych ward of the nursing home by then… .

153 blueraven  Apr 30, 2014 11:28:05am

re: #57 Timothy Watson

THE GOP ALREADY DID THIS.

Now make them play by their own rules.

You are being an ass. There are people here on this blog who live in those areas. I have family members there. I don’t give a fuck how they vote. They are human beings and we don’t sacrifice them for political reasons.
And please don’t come back with “the republicans do it” bullshit.

154 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 11:29:22am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not getting popups there.

OK, your link worked, except the map is blank. The page has been updated too.

Thanks!

155 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:29:47am

The Plague it is a-coming?
Drug-Resistant Bugs a Global Threat, WHO Says

156 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 11:29:59am

re: #147 Justanotherhuman

This is what is changing NC. Movement, but it’s a mixed bag, with most folks moving into the state going to the cities or military areas (like Ft Bragg, Camp LeJeune, Seymour AFB, etc) due to job transfers. The fact that many might be from blue states doesn’t necessarily guarantee that they’ll be Dem voters, though. I’ve met enough out-of-staters to know this, and for one thing, Rs aren’t as reluctant to move to the South because the politics suit them. The rural areas still tend to be the worse for reactionary/extremely conservative candidates, due to a lack of education and opportunities, although the cities also have their share.

And when the state legislative can crack and pack districts so all the D-leaning are in a couple districts while all the others go to Republicans, how, exactly, are the Democrats supposed to the win seats?

157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 11:30:03am

oh, crap…

158 Sionainn  Apr 30, 2014 11:31:12am

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, crap…

Oh, no. That looks horrific.

159 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 11:31:40am

Isn’t the Oklahoma Governor supposed to speaking about now? CNN isn’t carrying, unless she’s in the Bay of Bengal.

160 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 11:31:43am
161 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:32:04am

What was it? Chaos is a Ladder … .

162 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2014 11:32:05am

re: #147 Justanotherhuman

This is what is changing NC. Movement, but it’s a mixed bag, with most folks moving into the state going to the cities or military areas (like Ft Bragg, Camp LeJeune, Seymour AFB, etc) due to job transfers. The fact that many might be from blue states doesn’t necessarily guarantee that they’ll be Dem voters, though. I’ve met enough out-of-staters to know this, and for one thing, Rs aren’t as reluctant to move to the South because the politics suit them. The rural areas still tend to be the worse for reactionary/extremely conservative candidates, due to a lack of education and opportunities, although the cities also have their share.

Yeah movement and there lack of changes states. A lot of the reactionaries here in Virginia resent Northern Va since they feel we’re nothing but Yankee transplants trampling on their way of life. Of course, and I hate to sound like a snob but blue Northern Va is what has made Virginia one of the most prosperous states in recent memory and not bright red downstate VA which has too many people who will cheer on a man calling a Virginian native of Indian decent a macaca.

163 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 11:32:48am

It’s in Virginia, not Connecticut.

164 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 11:33:09am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Isn’t the Oklahoma Governor supposed to speaking about now? CNN isn’t carrying, unless she’s in the Bay of Bengal.

2 pm Central time

165 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:33:38am
Now here’s a stunner: Maternal status, i.e. being a mom, is a greater predictor of wage and hiring discrimination than gender. However, Schlafly’s erroneous claim that the wage discrimination that women—and particularly moms—face is somehow their fault is just plain wrong.

Read more: politico.com

166 darthstar  Apr 30, 2014 11:33:50am

Just got retweeted by Jonathan Capehart…not that RTs mean anything, but Jonathan fucking Capehart, man.

167 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2014 11:34:14am

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

2 pm Central time

Thanks… I was also thinking that it was Eastern time… so I’ve been busy clicking “refresh’ in google news to see it.

DUH

RBS

168 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2014 11:34:39am

re: #166 darthstar

Just got retweeted by Jonathan Capehart…not that RTs mean anything, but Jonathan fucking Capehart, man.

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Then he can expect to see the Clippers return as late night fodder instead of being the better L.A team.

169 Kragar  Apr 30, 2014 11:34:44am
170 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 11:34:49am

NBA owners to hold 1st discussions on Sterling

bigstory.ap.org

NEW YORK (AP) — The NBA owners’ advisory/finance committee will hold a meeting Thursday to discuss the next steps in the removal of Donald Sterling as owner of the Los Angeles Clippers.

“The 10-member committee will have a conference call two days after Commissioner Adam Silver banned Sterling for life from the league and fined him $2.5 million for making racist comments. Silver also said he would urge owners to use their power to force Sterling to sell the team.

“That would require the support of three-fourths of the league’s owners in a vote. Silver said Tuesday during a news conference that he was confident he had the votes, which appears true given the numerous statements of support that were released by teams.” More

171 darthstar  Apr 30, 2014 11:34:49am

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, crap…

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Looks like a GOP minority outreach strategy.//

Seriously, I hope nobody was hurt.

172 Skip Intro  Apr 30, 2014 11:35:42am

re: #17 Timothy Watson

I think the Democrats should say that there will be no disaster relief funding for the south until we find offsets in the budget.

Pay back is a bitch.

The Democrats in Congress should say “While we acknowledge that our friends on the other side of the aisle have said no disaster relief should be forthcoming unless offset by budget cuts elsewhere, we do not believe that, and we will not allow the people of this country to suffer because of petty politics.

173 b.d.  Apr 30, 2014 11:35:59am

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lynchburg CT or Lynchburg VA? One of those is wrong?

174 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 11:36:06am

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

2 pm Central time

No, EDT, I think. NBC has a bunch of people in a briefing room, waiting.

nbcnews.com

175 Sionainn  Apr 30, 2014 11:36:25am

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s in Virginia, not Connecticut.

Those aren’t passenger cars, so hopefully no one was injured.

176 klys  Apr 30, 2014 11:36:55am

re: #156 Timothy Watson

And when the state legislative can crack and pack districts so all the D-leaning are in a couple districts while all the others go to Republicans, how, exactly, are the Democrats supposed to the win seats?

Again, you seem to have all the answers for why things like boots on the ground and changing demographics will make no difference whatsoever, so what’s your solution? Beyond, you know, collective punishment of these people for existing and exercising their right to vote with an end result you disagree with.

177 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:37:27am
Yet Schlafly wrote, in a line that rightfully caused outrage: “The pay gap between men and women is not all bad because it helps to promote and sustain marriages.”

What!?

That’s one of the worst excuses for unfair pay yet.

Read more: politico.com

I do think relationships work best when one partner accepts the beta role most of the time. Someone has to choose to sacrifice pay in order to be able to take off work when a child is sick or an elderly family member needs caregiving.

I don’t think that qualifies as a reason to be paid less for the work one does do.

It explains why married women often CHOOSE part-time work or careers that allow for flexible hours (nursing, teachers etc). That doesn’t mean those specific careers are automatically flagged as less valuable or the woman’s labor as cheaper.

178 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2014 11:37:31am

re: #169 Kragar

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Yeah that’s why. Couldn’t possibly be your wealthy contributors who get to keep a little more by paying their employees less, Ted, nope it’s your heartfelt concern for minority youths. Yeah fucking right douchebag.

179 Bubblehead II  Apr 30, 2014 11:38:09am

re: #129 Timothy Watson

Make them suffer the damage that their congressmen has inflicted on everyone outside their district and maybe they’re grow a brain stem.

They live in the world where the “welfare queens” and “moochers” (i.e., people in need) are coming for their money, maybe if they suffer in the same way, they might come out of the Ayn Rand bullshit paradise.

You do realize that what you are suggesting is, in a civilized society, morally reprehensible and a violation of the social contract to help your fellow man in times of need?

And that is the last I am going to post on this matter.

180 kirkspencer  Apr 30, 2014 11:38:14am

re: #176 klys

Again, you seem to have all the answers for why things like boots on the ground and changing demographics will make no difference whatsoever, so what’s your solution? Beyond, you know, collective punishment of these people for existing and exercising their right to vote with an end result you disagree with.

What’s amusing about that is that Timothy appears to be from Virginia, a state that’s moved from Red to Purple (and is on the way to Blue) in large part because of boots on the ground and changing demographics.

181 b.d.  Apr 30, 2014 11:38:28am

PIPELINES ARE SAFER THAN RAILCARS!!!

182 jaunte  Apr 30, 2014 11:38:41am

re: #169 Kragar

His eyes are very dark brown.

183 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 11:38:57am

re: #173 b.d.

Lynchburg CT or Lynchburg VA? One of those is wrong?

Virginia is correct

184 Mattand  Apr 30, 2014 11:39:30am

re: #170 Justanotherhuman

NBA owners to hold 1st discussions on Sterling

bigstory.ap.org

NEW YORK (AP) — The NBA owners’ advisory/finance committee will hold a meeting Thursday to discuss the next steps in the removal of Donald Sterling as owner of the Los Angeles Clippers.

“The 10-member committee will have a conference call two days after Commissioner Adam Silver banned Sterling for life from the league and fined him $2.5 million for making racist comments. Silver also said he would urge owners to use their power to force Sterling to sell the team.

“That would require the support of three-fourths of the league’s owners in a vote. Silver said Tuesday during a news conference that he was confident he had the votes, which appears true given the numerous statements of support that were released by teams.” More

Will a bunch of multi-millionaires sacrifice one of their own, regardless of how bad he makes them and their business look?

I’m guessing “No.” If they do, it’s gonna be a squeaker.

185 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 11:39:52am

Two dead after rampage shooting at saw mill in British Columbia.

186 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 11:40:04am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

No, EDT, I think. NBC has a bunch of people in a briefing room, waiting.

nbcnews.com

If I’m hearing correctly, she is to speak in a few minutes, take no questions.

187 darthstar  Apr 30, 2014 11:40:26am
188 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:41:09am
The Pregnancy Discrimination Act, enacted in 1978, has loopholes so big that employers can deny some pregnant workers’ requests for simple accommodations like a stool that would allow a pregnant cashier to sit instead of stand. In other words, you can still, in 2014, be fired for asking to sit down if you’re pregnant.

Read more: politico.com

189 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 11:41:13am

Oil seems to be busting out all over.

190 darthstar  Apr 30, 2014 11:41:56am

re: #189 wrenchwench

Oil seems to be busting out all over.

It’s a coordinated assault.

191 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:42:08am
192 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2014 11:42:16am

re: #86 Mike Lamb

Rebranding only applies to women and minorities with money.

And rustling cattle.

193 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 11:42:27am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

No, EDT, I think. NBC has a bunch of people in a briefing room, waiting.

nbcnews.com

Oh, OK. My bad to have assumed Central time.

194 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:42:46am
195 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 11:42:46am

re: #190 darthstar

It’s a coordinated assault.

It’s a frack-back.

196 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 11:42:57am

re: #180 kirkspencer

What’s amusing about that is that Timothy appears to be from Virginia, a state that’s moved from Red to Purple (and is on the way to Blue) in large part because of boots on the ground and changing demographics.

So…your solution is to wait 30 years for the GOP base to die in the South and, then, maybe, things will change? The only reason that the state’s political characterization has changed is because of demographics, namely Northern Virginia.

Oh, and the GOP still has a 36 vote majority (68 to 32) in the state’s House of Delegates and control 8 of 11 congressional districts.

197 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2014 11:43:12am

Sorry, here is the video
Youtube Video

198 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 11:43:14am

re: #175 Sionainn

Those aren’t passenger cars, so hopefully no one was injured.

Tankers are bad. Very bad.

199 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 30, 2014 11:44:16am

re: #104 Timothy Watson

Was it not obvious that I was just repeating, exactly, word for word, what the GOP said about people who lived in New Orleans?

Sarcasm tags: //

200 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 11:44:32am

Governor is talking now.

nbcnews.com

201 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 11:44:33am

re: #187 darthstar

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Mosquito and black fly control, that’s all…

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202 Dr. Matt  Apr 30, 2014 11:44:48am

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203 Testy Toad T  Apr 30, 2014 11:45:24am

re: #196 Timothy Watson

So…your solution is to wait 30 years for the GOP base to die in the South and, then, maybe, things will change? The only reason that the state’s political characterization has changed is because of demographics, namely Northern Virginia.

Yes. That is the solution.

I have no earthly idea how you come to the conclusion, apparently, that the way to get them to vote for you is to take away their social safety net.

204 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 11:45:49am

re: #200 Decatur Deb

Governor is talking now.

nbcnews.com

She learned nothing. Called for independent review.

205 klys  Apr 30, 2014 11:46:16am

re: #196 Timothy Watson

So…your solution is to wait 30 years for the GOP base to die in the South and, then, maybe, things will change? The only reason that the state’s political characterization has changed is because of demographics, namely Northern Virginia.

Oh, and the GOP still has a 36 vote majority (68 to 32) in the state’s House of Delegates and control 8 of 11 congressional districts.

Way to totally ignore the difference that getting out the vote can make.

Also, it’s kind of funny that you’re all about why everyone else’s solutions such but appear to have no solution of your own beyond collective punishment of people for daring to elect an official you disagree with.

Seriously.

206 blueraven  Apr 30, 2014 11:46:44am

re: #196 Timothy Watson

So…your solution is to wait 30 years for the GOP base to die in the South and, then, maybe, things will change? The only reason that the state’s political characterization has changed is because of demographics, namely Northern Virginia.

Oh, and the GOP still has a 36 vote majority (68 to 32) in the state’s House of Delegates and control 8 of 11 congressional districts.

Please just step back from this. You are not doing yourself any favors.
Think it over for a bit. There are better ways.

I am all for hardball politics, but not at the expense of innocent people whose lives have been turned upside down, or worse.

207 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 11:46:49am

re: #204 Decatur Deb

She learned nothing. Called for independent review.

So who is going to do the “independent review”? Did she say?

208 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 11:47:32am

re: #204 Decatur Deb

She learned nothing. Called for independent review.

Only one execution delayed.

209 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 11:47:58am

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

So who is going to do the “independent review”? Did she say?

Friends of hers.

210 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2014 11:48:27am

re: #202 Dr. Matt

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211 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 11:48:51am

No questions by the Gov. Meanwhile, in the Bay of Bengal…

212 AntonSirius  Apr 30, 2014 11:49:02am

re: #54 Bulworth

We need a joint select committee to find out the truth about #Benghazi — NOW: t.co — Senator Ted Cruz (@SenTedCruz)

Well, there haven’t been any congressional hearings on the subject….

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213 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 11:49:39am

re: #210 HappyWarrior

57.8 percent of NFL players
49 percent of NBA players
49.1 percent of NHL players
30.9 percent of MLB player
Youth where have thou gone.

I doubt there’s any current professional athlete within 10 years of my age, except maybe golfers and bowlers.

214 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 11:49:49am

re: #179 Bubblehead II

You do realize that what you are suggesting is, in a civilized society, morally reprehensible and a violation of the social contract to help your fellow man in times of need?

And that is the last I am going to post on this matter.

That’s the thing, isn’t it?

If we throw away our social contract and simply start retaliating, then we eventually end up like Afghanistan, Somalia, DR Congo or any number of other places where central government has failed and resulted in ruthless warlords being in charge of groups that spend all their time fighting, exacting revenge on the each other, and brutalizing the common man in the process.

215 Mattand  Apr 30, 2014 11:50:12am

re: #160 Gus

216 klys  Apr 30, 2014 11:50:15am

re: #214 CuriousLurker

That’s the thing, isn’t it?

If we throw away our social contract and simply start retaliating, then we eventually end up like Afghanistan, Somalia, DR Congo or any number of other places where central government has failed and resulted in ruthless warlords being in charge of groups that spend all their time fighting, exacting revenge on the each other, and brutalizing the common man in the process.

But the Republicans are destroying this country so we need to destroy it in order to save it.

//

217 A Mom Anon  Apr 30, 2014 11:50:44am

re: #188 FemNaziBitch

When I was pregnant with my son over 20 yrs ago, I had a stool so I could sit between customers and clearing stuff off the sales floor in a large retail store. A manager took the stool and locked it in his office. I was carrying a 12 lb 4 oz baby boy, and I was still doing my job, still hauling stuff around, and it wasn’t easy, but I did it. Another female manager had to tell him he was bordering on illegal activity, and I got my stool back, but he told me I was only allowed to sit on it 5 minutes in an hour. Asshole.

Your experiences as a parent and running a home should matter in the workplace, at least at an entry level for some work, especially service jobs. But it doesn’t. I’m struggling now to just get a stock clerk job, I have no problem working my way up. But a 20 yr gap in employment is making it impossible to find anything at all. It sucks.

218 kirkspencer  Apr 30, 2014 11:50:57am

re: #196 Timothy Watson

So…your solution is to wait 30 years for the GOP base to die in the South and, then, maybe, things will change? The only reason that the state’s political characterization has changed is because of demographics, namely Northern Virginia.

Oh, and the GOP still has a 36 vote majority (68 to 32) in the state’s House of Delegates and control 8 of 11 congressional districts.

Shoe leather had nothing to do with it? Getting decent candidates also did nothing?

Yes, it’s going to take years, maybe decades, to change the south. Like it or not THEY ARE STILL AMERICANS.

The thing is we don’t have to change everything. We just have to change a majority. And we are, bit by bit. The next significant shift we’re likely to see is in about two years, in the 2016 elections. The next significant shift after that, the one that’ll probably put the house in play, will be around 2022 (after the census forces redistricting.)

Here’s the thing: it won’t be fast. Sorry, we’re talking about people and we’re talking about biennial elections. Neither is conducive to swift change. Not without just tossing everything and becoming Republicans ourselves.

I can change my party’s soul or I can change the world. I think I’ll work on the latter.

219 Mattand  Apr 30, 2014 11:51:27am

re: #202 Dr. Matt

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220 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 11:51:37am

re: #205 klys

Way to totally ignore the difference that getting out the vote can make.

Also, it’s kind of funny that you’re all about why everyone else’s solutions such but appear to have no solution of your own beyond collective punishment of people for daring to elect an official you disagree with.

Seriously.

Because GOTV really works when you, from the very start, are down by 30% in a district due to the partisan makeup of the district?

And that’s assuming you can even find a candidate to run in the first place. A lot of people don’t care to spend nine months running for an office where they have to take three whole months off from work just to attend a legislative session, especially when the end result will be them losing by 30%.

re: #214 CuriousLurker

That’s the thing, isn’t it?

If we throw away our social contract and simply start retaliating, then we eventually end up like Afghanistan, Somalia, DR Congo or any number of other places where central government has failed and resulted in ruthless warlords being in charge of groups that spend all their time fighting, exacting revenge on the each other, and brutalizing the common man in the process.

It isn’t retaliation, it’s making the GOP own the words they’ve said and the deeds they’ve been doing for a decade.

221 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 11:52:20am

re: #219 Mattand

I’ll pass. The effing gray on my scalp tells me this every morning.

The pink of my scalp tells me.

222 klys  Apr 30, 2014 11:54:10am

re: #220 Timothy Watson

It isn’t retaliation, it’s making the GOP own the words they’ve said and the deeds they’ve been doing for a decade.

It’s not retaliation, except for the part where the goal is to punish the people who voted for the Republicans. And, incidentally, the people who live in that district and either didn’t vote Republican or just didn’t vote, period.

re: #25 Timothy Watson

The dumbasses that vote for the GOP?

223 Dr. Matt  Apr 30, 2014 11:54:35am

re: #210 HappyWarrior

57.8 percent of NFL players
49 percent of NBA players
49.1 percent of NHL players
30.9 percent of MLB player
Youth where have thou gone.

You youngster!

224 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2014 11:54:39am

re: #213 GeneJockey

I doubt there’s any current professional athlete within 10 years of my age, except maybe golfers and bowlers.

Want a cane? I kid obviously but I started to feel it when I’ve come to realize that all the “big” brothers and sisters of my kid brother who is fourteen years younger were born in the mid to late 90’s.

225 Dr. Matt  Apr 30, 2014 11:55:02am

re: #213 GeneJockey

I doubt there’s any current professional athlete within 10 years of my age, except maybe golfers and bowlers.

And curling

226 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2014 11:55:29am

re: #223 Dr. Matt

You youngster!

Hey, knock that off, I can regale the today’s youth of tales of the time we impeached a president for lying about head.

227 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 11:56:39am

re: #220 Timothy Watson

I can’t believe you have this on the masthead of your blog:

“Agitate, agitate, agitate!” -Frederick Douglass

What the fuck happened to you?

228 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 11:56:42am

re: #214 CuriousLurker

That’s the thing, isn’t it?

If we throw away our social contract and simply start retaliating, then we eventually end up like Afghanistan, Somalia, DR Congo or any number of other places where central government has failed and resulted in ruthless warlords being in charge of groups that spend all their time fighting, exacting revenge on the each other, and brutalizing the common man in the process.

Alabama should get its disaster relief. In fact, it should be one of those giant billboards checks. And Senators Sessions and Shelby should be smiling while it’s handed to them. By our Kenyan President.

229 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 11:56:50am

re: #218 kirkspencer

Shoe leather had nothing to do with it? Getting decent candidates also did nothing?

Yes, it’s going to take years, maybe decades, to change the south. Like it or not THEY ARE STILL AMERICANS.

The thing is we don’t have to change everything. We just have to change a majority. And we are, bit by bit. The next significant shift we’re likely to see is in about two years, in the 2016 elections. The next significant shift after that, the one that’ll probably put the house in play, will be around 2022 (after the census forces redistricting.)

Here’s the thing: it won’t be fast. Sorry, we’re talking about people and we’re talking about biennial elections. Neither is conducive to swift change. Not without just tossing everything and becoming Republicans ourselves.

I can change my party’s soul or I can change the world. I think I’ll work on the latter.

No one will run in a district where the foregone conclusion is you’re going to lose by 30%. Would you spend nine months politicking when the foregone conclusion is that you’re going to be crushed due to the political makeup of a district?

And where, exactly, are you going to get money from if you decide to run? Unless you’re independently wealthy, no one is going to give you money if you’re running in a district where the partisan makeup is 30% against you from the start.

Reapportionment and redistricting don’t matter at all when if the GOP already controls the legislature when it comes time to do it. The GOP, which controls one, or both, chambers of the state legislatures in the Deep South, by vast majorities, gets to crack and pack the districts for the state legislature and Congressional seats.

230 klys  Apr 30, 2014 11:58:08am

re: #229 Timothy Watson

No one will run in a district where the foregone conclusion is you’re going to lose by 30%. Would you spend nine months politicking when the foregone conclusion is that you’re going to be crushed due to the political makeup of a district?

And where, exactly, are you going to get money from if you decide to run? Unless you’re independently wealthy, no one is going to give you money if you’re running in a district where the partisan makeup is 30% against you from the start.

Reapportionment and redistricting don’t matter at all when if the GOP already controls the legislature when it comes time to do it. The GOP, which controls one, or both, chambers of the state legislatures in the Deep South, by vast majorities, gets to crack and pack the districts for the state legislature and Congressional seats.

Sorry.

I’m not giving up on my fellow Americans. And I will absolutely stand in your way if you try to punish them for exercising their right to vote, even if I disagree with the person they elect.

231 Mattand  Apr 30, 2014 11:58:32am

re: #220 Timothy Watson

As someone whose state was the target by the GOP of a massive fuckover regarding disaster relief, I can’t state strongly enough that retaliating in kind towards Republican-majority states is a terrible, ignorant, vicious idea.

Believe me, I understand the sentiment. But to punish families who have lost everything by withholding aid as political payback? That’s inhuman, bordering on evil.

We’re supposed to be better than that.

232 Archangelus  Apr 30, 2014 11:59:23am

re: #202 Dr. Matt

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My results:

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Hey you kids, get off my lawn!!!!!

Gaaahhhhh, why oh why did i just click that….

“You are older than:

93.4 percent of NFL players
84.9 percent of NBA players
85.1 percent of NHL players
81.1 percent of MLB players
”
I’m still not old enough to feel THAT much older all of a sudden…

* heads off to get a glass of prune juice * /

233 kirkspencer  Apr 30, 2014 12:00:03pm

re: #220 Timothy Watson

Because GOTV really works when you, from the very start, are down by 30% in a district due to the partisan makeup of the district?

Yes, eventually. In fact most places where you have 30% down it’s where nobody beyond tokens have come from the other party - and that’s true on both sides, not just in Republican districts.

And that’s assuming you can even find a candidate to run in the first place. A lot of people don’t care to spend nine months running for an office where they have to take three whole months off from work just to attend a legislative session, especially when the end result will be them losing by 30%.

Chicken, egg. Run someone who wants it and most places that 30% dies. The margin decreases, a lot. And yes, that means they have to try again and again - because each time the margin gets narrower.

That bit about ‘three months off just to attend’ is crap. Sorry, but that’s the thing - if you want it, that doesn’t matter. If that’s what matters you’re one of the token candidates.

It isn’t retaliation, it’s making the GOP own the words they’ve said and the deeds they’ve been doing for a decade.

Yes, it’s making the GOP own them. But it’s also making Dems eat the GOP words.

You seem to be the sort who does not care about collateral damage. The sort who’ll blow up an apartment building if it’ll just get That Target, heck with the innocents. Because if they didn’t want to be part of the target’s human shield they’d move.

If that’s really how you feel, I despise you. You only differ from the Republicans you oppose in name, not in soul. If that’s NOT how you believe, perhaps you should think about why we all believe it is.

234 spiderx  Apr 30, 2014 12:01:59pm

And yet the worker making close to minimum wage in Alabama will still vote GOP.

235 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2014 12:03:10pm

re: #234 spiderx

And yet the worker making close to minimum wage in Alabama will still vote GOP.

Well that’s because the GOP has convinced him that gays having the same rights as he does is worse than him having a chance to improve his lot.

236 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 12:04:53pm

re: #234 spiderx

And yet the worker making close to minimum wage in Alabama will still vote GOP.

Not the big problem. I’d be happy if we could just turn out young, black male voters. Our surviving Dems are working on that, now.

237 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 12:06:01pm

re: #233 kirkspencer

Yes, eventually. In fact most places where you have 30% down it’s where nobody beyond tokens have come from the other party - and that’s true on both sides, not just in Republican districts.

Chicken, egg. Run someone who wants it and most places that 30% dies. The margin decreases, a lot. And yes, that means they have to try again and again - because each time the margin gets narrower.

That bit about ‘three months off just to attend’ is crap. Sorry, but that’s the thing - if you want it, that doesn’t matter. If that’s what matters you’re one of the token candidates.

Yes, it’s making the GOP own them. But it’s also making Dems eat the GOP words.

You seem to be the sort who does not care about collateral damage. The sort who’ll blow up an apartment building if it’ll just get That Target, heck with the innocents. Because if they didn’t want to be part of the target’s human shield they’d move.

If that’s really how you feel, I despise you. You only differ from the Republicans you oppose in name, not in soul. If that’s NOT how you believe, perhaps you should think about why we all believe it is.

In my House delegate, I had an avowed former militia member who also believed the Oklahoma City bombing was conducted by the government run for office. She was running against a Democrat who had been in the legislature for four terms.

Want to guess what percentage of the vote she got?

47.65%.

The Democratic delegate called it quits after that, figuring if he almost lost a former militia member, who all the other GOP candidates disavowed, how exactly is he supposed to win against a GOP candidate who is slightly less crazy?

238 sagehen  Apr 30, 2014 12:07:22pm

re: #202 Dr. Matt

Feel Old With Our “How Many Pro Athletes Are Younger Than You?” Tool

The tool calculates the percentage of players in the NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB who are already younger than you are at this very moment.

My results:

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Hey you kids, get off my lawn!!!!!

nah… feeling old is when you notice the President is younger than you; then take note of how many senators are younger than you. By the time you realize more than half the Supreme Court is younger than you, it’s all over.

239 klys  Apr 30, 2014 12:09:05pm

re: #237 Timothy Watson

In my House delegate, I had an avowed former militia member who also believed the Oklahoma City bombing was conducted by the government run for office. She was running against a Democrat who had been in the legislature for four terms.

Want to guess what percentage of the vote she got?

47.65%.

The Democratic delegate called it quits after that, figuring if he almost lost a former militia member, who all the other GOP candidates disavowed, how exactly is he supposed to win against a GOP candidate who is slightly less crazy?

We should nuke it from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure that your district’s disease doesn’t spread.

Sorry about the part where you’ll be impacted, but I guess you should have moved if you didn’t want to deal with it.

////

240 kirkspencer  Apr 30, 2014 12:10:31pm

re: #229 Timothy Watson

No one will run in a district where the foregone conclusion is you’re going to lose by 30%. Would you spend nine months politicking when the foregone conclusion is that you’re going to be crushed due to the political makeup of a district?

Since people HAVE run in districts where this was the foregone conclusion, you’re obviously mistaken.

And where, exactly, are you going to get money from if you decide to run? Unless you’re independently wealthy, no one is going to give you money if you’re running in a district where the partisan makeup is 30% against you from the start.

It’s going to depend on where you are and what you’ve got. You’d be surprised at the number of organizations that will give you the money provided you show you intend to beat that margin. No, probably not the DCCC (though it’s done it a time or two) but there are a lot other PACs and fund sources available.

But you’ve got to commit, and convince them you’re not just going through the motions.

Reapportionment and redistricting don’t matter at all when if the GOP already controls the legislature when it comes time to do it. The GOP, which controls one, or both, chambers of the state legislatures in the Deep South, by vast majorities, gets to crack and pack the districts for the state legislature and Congressional seats.

Yeah, I see this a lot. Why bother fighting when the other side has all the cards?

here’s the problem: you don’t get how redistricting and gerrymandering works. Yes, you corral as many democrats as possible into a handful of districts, but you set the rest up to ‘just large enough’ margins. Because regardless how hard you work at it those darn Democrats keep picking up voters in other districts. That means the margins in most districts aren’t 30+ but 20 or 10 or less.

Go look at those Cook reports you referenced. Despite your hyperbole less than five “sure Republican seats” have a PVI of 30+. Less than half have 20+. Fully a quarter have a PVI of less than 10. Why are those last sure seats for Republicans?

Because nobody’s running against them. But the thing is a margin of 10 or less, while probably R, are NOT sure things. And changing it requires running a candidate who wants to win and spending shoe leather and time to support him or her.

And blasting everyone with a “nuke them all” behavior does nothing but make everyone you’re yelling at pissed at you.

241 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 12:11:51pm

re: #237 Timothy Watson

In my House delegate, I had an avowed former militia member who also believed the Oklahoma City bombing was conducted by the government run for office. She was running against a Democrat who had been in the legislature for four terms.

Want to guess what percentage of the vote she got?

47.65%.

The Democratic delegate called it quits after that, figuring if he almost lost a former militia member, who all the other GOP candidates disavowed, how exactly is he supposed to win against a GOP candidate who is slightly less crazy?

If you can’t win, you can make them work for their win. And you might always get lucky in the dead girl/live boy sense. I’m working for a lady who will finish with 10-20 percent of our state district. We’ll do better next time, and suck up TPGOP effort that might have gone elsewhere.

242 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 12:13:15pm

re: #237 Timothy Watson

In my House delegate, I had an avowed former militia member who also believed the Oklahoma City bombing was conducted by the government run for office. She was running against a Democrat who had been in the legislature for four terms.

Want to guess what percentage of the vote she got?

47.65%.

The Democratic delegate called it quits after that, figuring if he almost lost a former militia member, who all the other GOP candidates disavowed, how exactly is he supposed to win against a GOP candidate who is slightly less crazy?

So, since the crazy lady got 47.65% of the vote and the Democratic delegate called it quits, you don’t bother vote anymore, right? Because it’s all just hopeless from here on out until all the crazies die off, right?

243 EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2014 12:16:38pm

re: #239 klys

We should nuke it from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure that your district’s disease doesn’t spread.

Sorry about the part where you’ll be impacted, but I guess you should have moved if you didn’t want to deal with it.

////

I can’t imagine why people are reacting negatively to the thought that Federal armies should re-occupy the US South. ////

Seriously, screwing with disaster relief for political reasons is evil and fucked when the GOP does it, and Democratic party retaliation would be no better.

As a small practical point, it should be noted that such stupidity would be politically damaging by giving a crystal clear example of ‘liberals’ being out to get conservatives. I’d prefer to have this kind of GOP propaganda be based on fever dreams rather than reality.

244 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 12:17:15pm

re: #240 kirkspencer

Since people HAVE run in districts where this was the foregone conclusion, you’re obviously mistaken.

Yes, and most of them end up being quacks.

It’s going to depend on where you are and what you’ve got. You’d be surprised at the number of organizations that will give you the money provided you show you intend to beat that margin. No, probably not the DCCC (though it’s done it a time or two) but there are a lot other PACs and fund sources available.

But you’ve got to commit, and convince them you’re not just going through the motions.

Against people have millions of dollars in Congressional races and hundreds of thousands in state delegate/senator races.

Yeah, I see this a lot. Why bother fighting when the other side has all the cards?

here’s the problem: you don’t get how redistricting and gerrymandering works. Yes, you corral as many democrats as possible into a handful of districts, but you set the rest up to ‘just large enough’ margins. Because regardless how hard you work at it those darn Democrats keep picking up voters in other districts. That means the margins in most districts aren’t 30+ but 20 or 10 or less.

Go look at those Cook reports you referenced. Despite your hyperbole less than five “sure Republican seats” have a PVI of 30+. Less than half have 20+. Fully a quarter have a PVI of less than 10. Why are those last sure seats for Republicans?

Because nobody’s running against them. But the thing is a margin of 10 or less, while probably R, are NOT sure things. And changing it requires running a candidate who wants to win and spending shoe leather and time to support him or her.

And blasting everyone with a “nuke them all” behavior does nothing but make everyone you’re yelling at pissed at you.

Tell me, which district in Alabama would choose to contest (ranging from R+15 to R+28)?

Find me the last time that a Republican in a R+10 district was defeated.

And how, exactly, do you plan on going against Republicans who will receive millions of dollars in campaign funding?

245 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 12:21:24pm

re: #244 Timothy Watson

Yes, and most of them end up being quacks.

Against people have millions of dollars in Congressional races and hundreds of thousands in state delegate/senator races.

Tell me, which district in Alabama would choose to contest (ranging from R+15 to R+28)?

Find me the last time that a Republican in a R+10 district was defeated.

And how, exactly, do you plan on going against Republicans who will receive millions of dollars in campaign funding?

The run I just mentioned is in Baja Alabama. Six people in my zipcode donated to the first Obama campaign. This will not be the last election.

(To give you some grace, I do most of my serious GOTV work across the line in FL.)

246 AntonSirius  Apr 30, 2014 12:22:04pm

re: #244 Timothy Watson

You are thinking like a Republican. And yes, that was an insult.

Frankly, I don’t want anybody on my “team” who’s only there because that’s the tribe he’s decided to identify with.

If you don’t actually believe in things like equality - including equality for GOP voters, whether they want it or not - then GTFO.

247 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 12:23:54pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, since the crazy lady got 47.65% of the vote and the Democratic delegate called it quits, you don’t bother vote anymore, right? Because it’s all just hopeless from here on out until all the crazies die off, right?

I voted for the Democrat when the retiring delegate decided not to run in the next election. Want to guess what percentage of the vote he got? 30.68%.

248 EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2014 12:24:07pm

re: #244 Timothy Watson

How is screwing with disaster relief supposed to help anything?

I fail to see how giving GOP voters a crystal clear example of Democrats fucking them over is supposed to change any minds.

249 Archangelus  Apr 30, 2014 12:25:16pm

Well you don’t win wars by looking at your soldiers, shrugging and saying “well boys, lets go get our throats slit”, that’s for sure. Democrats need to rile up the base and get on with being active rather than reactive.

250 klys  Apr 30, 2014 12:25:19pm

re: #247 Timothy Watson

I voted for the Democrat when the retiring delegate decided not to run in the next election. Want to guess what percentage of the vote he got? 30.68%.

Well, I guess if you have a Republican representative, we should be denying aid to your district then?

By your logic, that is.

251 EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2014 12:26:54pm

re: #250 klys

Well, I guess if you have a Republican representative, we should be denying aid to your district then?

By your logic, that is.

‘Vus hass to break few eggs to make omelets’ sounds better in the original German, I suppose.

252 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 12:28:01pm

re: #248 EPR-radar

How is screwing with disaster relief supposed to help anything?

I fail to see how giving GOP voters a crystal clear example of Democrats fucking them over is supposed to change any minds.

The disaster aid will pass anyway, the GOP controls the house and might as well control the Senate.

Make the GOP eat crow in every House/Senate speech and every public appearance by a Democratic member.

253 kirkspencer  Apr 30, 2014 12:28:22pm

re: #244 Timothy Watson

[snip]
Find me the last time that a Republican in a R+10 district was defeated.
[snip]

2012, the last election.

Through 2011 and the early part of 2012 the PVI for the 9th district of Utah was over 10 R. By election day it was just under that at +9R. Mia Love lost to Jim Matheson (D).

254 kirkspencer  Apr 30, 2014 12:31:23pm

re: #253 kirkspencer

By the way, Matheson makes a decent example of “where will the money come from”. See Opensecrets.

255 EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2014 12:32:42pm

re: #252 Timothy Watson

The disaster aid will pass anyway, the GOP controls the house and might as well control the Senate.

Make the GOP eat crow in every House/Senate speech and every public appearance by a Democratic member.

I have nothing against pointing out GOP hypocrisy on this issue.

I have huge problems with the Democrats actually blocking disaster relief, which could be done in the Senate on a party line vote.

256 Timothy Watson  Apr 30, 2014 12:34:56pm

re: #253 kirkspencer

2012, the last election.

Through 2011 and the early part of 2012 the PVI for the 9th district of Utah was over 10 R. By election day it was just under that at +9R. Mia Love lost to Jim Matheson (D).

Matheson? The guy who might as well be Republican (voted against PPACA and wants to ban violent videogames) had the benefit of having being in Congress for other 10 years. Not to mention, Love would probably had won if it wasn’t for the Libertarian candidate in the race and the fact that Matheson isn’t even bothering to run in 2014.

257 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 12:43:41pm

re: #255 EPR-radar

I have nothing against pointing out GOP hypocrisy on this issue.

I have huge problems with the Democrats actually blocking disaster relief, which could be done in the Senate on a party line vote.

It won’t. Not enough Dems are assholes.

258 kirkspencer  Apr 30, 2014 1:08:12pm

re: #256 Timothy Watson

Matheson? The guy who might as well be Republican (voted against PPACA and wants to ban violent videogames) had the benefit of having being in Congress for other 10 years. Not to mention, Love would probably had won if it wasn’t for the Libertarian candidate in the race and the fact that Matheson isn’t even bothering to run in 2014.

So you’re going to move the goal posts?

Are you sure you’re not a Republican?

259 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 30, 2014 1:08:33pm

re: #17 Timothy Watson

I think the Democrats should say that there will be no disaster relief funding for the south until we find offsets in the budget.

Pay back is a bitch.

Fuck off with this bullshit. You’re no better than them if this is really what you want.

260 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Apr 30, 2014 1:36:20pm

You know, when I used to frequent another left-lib-progressive site on the Interwebs (initials B-J), there was always at least one “Timothy Watson” who’d chime in every time there was a natural (or man-made) disaster in a red state. It must be like a Godwin’s Law of assholes wanting “tit-for-tat” disaster relief that they show up in left-leaning comments and argue with logic, empathy and human decency and the entire rest of the commentariat.

Disaster Relief Trolls.

261 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Apr 30, 2014 1:52:57pm

re: #27 GunstarGreen

what has happened is that a great number of poor white voters have been convinced that they too have a chance at being the exploiters rather than the ones being exploited.

It’s a simple, time-tested, and typical Pot of Boiling Crabs Strategy by the bosses backing the GOP. As the crabs try to crawl out of the boiling pot, they pull each other back down.

262 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 30, 2014 2:46:52pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

I’m stuck thinking a couple dozen well trained commandos could probably get the job done. Maybe the French will step up to the plate on this one.

Yeah, but you have absolutely no knowledge of military shit, so why would you assert this?

Oh, it’s Killgore, never mind.

263 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 30, 2014 2:47:33pm

re: #252 Timothy Watson

The disaster aid will pass anyway, the GOP controls the house and might as well control the Senate.

Make the GOP eat crow in every House/Senate speech and every public appearance by a Democratic member.

How would it make them eat crow? They’d be able to rightly say that Democrats decided to fuck over the South for political purposes.

264 piratedan  Apr 30, 2014 3:40:30pm

re: #169 Kragar

I think that’s supposed to be ‘to forsake” not “for the sake of” small but tangible difference //////


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