Daryl Hall and Todd Rundgren: “Wait for Me”
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Here’s a Saturday morning ballad featuring two of the greatest singers in the world, live from Daryl’s house.
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 11:40:54am |
See now, this kind of stuff right here is why I dislike and distrust Facebook enormously: Facebook Conducted Psychological Experiments on Unknowing Users.
This is how much these tech companies care about their users — they have no compunction at all about using them as guinea pigs without even telling them.
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allegro Jun 28, 2014 11:54:58am |
re: #1 Charles Johnson
See now, this kind of stuff right here is why I dislike and distrust Facebook enormously: Facebook Conducted Psychological Experiments on Unknowing Users.
This is how much these tech companies care about their users — they have no compunction at all about using them as guinea pigs without even telling them.
I found it amusing that while I was reading the article, a Think Progress pop-op box asked me to like it on Facebook.
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 11:56:33am |
What a heartbreaker for Chile. Going down on penalty kicks even though they outplayed Brazil in the second half. WOW.
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Feline Fearless Leader Jun 28, 2014 11:57:10am |
And the last Chile guy hit the post too.
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thedopefishlives Jun 28, 2014 11:58:40am |
re: #3 Lidane
What a heartbreaker for Chile. Going down on penalty kicks even though they outplayed Brazil in the second half. WOW.
That’s why you have to make your shots count in regulation (or in overtime, for that matter). Chile had opportunities but couldn’t convert. You feel bad for them, they played a great game, but they just came up short.
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 11:59:39am |
re: #2 allegro
I found it amusing that while I was reading the article, a Think Progress pop-op box asked me to like it on Facebook.
The maddening thing about Facebook is they’re so huge you really can’t afford to ignore them. I used to think people would be so turned off by their incredibly invasive privacy-violating tactics that they’d start running away, but it’s actually evidence of how completely unaware most people are of privacy issues.
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 12:01:11pm |
re: #5 thedopefishlives
That’s why you have to make your shots count in regulation (or in overtime, for that matter). Chile had opportunities but couldn’t convert. You feel bad for them, they played a great game, but they just came up short.
True. They had a ton of chances but just couldn’t do it today. Sucks for them.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 28, 2014 12:02:47pm |
re: #3 Lidane
What a heartbreaker for Chile. Going down on penalty kicks even though they outplayed Brazil in the second half. WOW.
I am cruel, cruel, cruel. #BRAvsCHI
— God (@TheTweetOfGod) June 28, 2014
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 12:04:04pm |
Brazil's MVP: pic.twitter.com/CeZnM7uH5m— Ethan (@Ethan_Booker) June 28, 2014
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 12:04:29pm |
My Arms Wait for You
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Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 28, 2014 12:05:31pm |
I've just decided that mankind's ultimate salvation or damnation will be decided on penalty kicks. #WorldCup2014
— God (@TheTweetOfGod) June 28, 2014
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Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 28, 2014 12:07:06pm |
Here arrest of man who hurled bomb shortly before Archduke Franz Ferdinand and Sophie were killed 100 years ago: #IWM pic.twitter.com/5ZoakMrN2i
— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) June 28, 2014
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thedopefishlives Jun 28, 2014 12:08:20pm |
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 12:09:02pm |
re: #2 allegro
I found it amusing that while I was reading the article, a Think Progress pop-op box asked me to like it on Facebook.
lol. Of course I always get suspicious when another “scientific study” goes viral on the internet. Like the rest of them, this one looks like another generic marketing study made to look nefarious and spooky. It’s no secret that websites and advertisers look to see what works and what doesn’t. It’s a bit like saying “Johnson & Johnson uses mind control study to make you buy soap!”. Of course, on some level they do but that’s just effective marketing.
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dog philosopher Jun 28, 2014 12:10:04pm |
- electric cars
- ‘irony’ and ‘nuance’
- soccer
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Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 28, 2014 12:10:12pm |
BATS!!!
Is there a social network for bats? Batbook? Myotis+? Find out: http://t.co/uic5wVJ1mv #USGS #biology pic.twitter.com/pQDFcyUrVv
— USGS (@USGS) June 27, 2014
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CuriousLurker Jun 28, 2014 12:11:05pm |
re: #1 Charles Johnson
Speaking of distrust:
David Horowitz is helping produce the filth in the video below through TruthRevolt and also pimping it on his Freedom Center site. These people are so disgustingly slimy I just can’t even. They smear everyone—Bergdhal, POTUS, Rice, etc. And I see that the guy narrating, Bill Whittle, is connected to PJ Media.
The whole “not one of us” thing is repugnant, utterly morally bankrupt. They’re attempting to dehumanize certain people, and that never leads to a good place. Ask the Jews, they know only too well. That there are Jews financing & promoting this (i.e. Horowitz & Ben Shapiro through Freedom Center & TruthRevolt) causes me to experience an incredible amount of cognitive dissonance. Nietzsche’s abyss comes immediately to mind…
Charles, moving away from these vile scumbags was the best decision you ever made. Ugh, I need to go find some brain bleach.
It’s the first day of Ramadan, so think I’d better step away from the internet until after sunset, lest it get ruined by haters.
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dog philosopher Jun 28, 2014 12:11:07pm |
re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth
[Embedded content]
your favorite character in wwi will soon be killed unexpectedly
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 12:12:59pm |
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 12:13:28pm |
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 12:13:46pm |
I’m more peeved that it seems my credit card purchases and now somehow linked to the banner ads I get. If I pay $20 for organic pesticide with my debit card, I’ll start seeing banner ads for pesticide and gardening stuff within an hour. I never give personal info to the stores so I assume it must be my bank and ISP have some info sharing agreement.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 12:15:56pm |
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 12:22:08pm |
re: #15 Killgore Trout
lol. Of course I always get suspicious when another “scientific study” goes viral on the internet. Like the rest of them, this one looks like another generic marketing study made to look nefarious and spooky. It’s no secret that websites and advertisers look to see what works and what doesn’t. It’s a bit like saying “Johnson & Johnson uses mind control study to make you buy soap!”. Of course, on some level they do but that’s just effective marketing.
Uh, they manipulated people’s Facebook feeds to see if they could create a reaction. That’s not a “marketing study,” its a sociological experiment, on people who didn’t know they were being used this way.
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 12:25:55pm |
Of course this was going to happen. FB always seemed like a juvenile exercise anyway. After looking at some of the pages, I decided it was too much drama for me and never opened one.
The same with Twitter, for the most part. And you have to work to get people out of your hair, from what you all are saying, and good grief, the aggravation and hate you can attract!
If I go to a Twitter acct, a popup ad reminds me that I’m not a registered user, so I know they’re keeping tabs on me some way.
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Rightwingconspirator Jun 28, 2014 12:26:54pm |
re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth
We have launch…
The B&W live feed reminds me of early launch/re reentry coverage, circa ‘68
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 28, 2014 12:29:38pm |
re: #15 Killgore Trout
lol. Of course I always get suspicious when another “scientific study” goes viral on the internet. Like the rest of them, this one looks like another generic marketing study made to look nefarious and spooky. It’s no secret that websites and advertisers look to see what works and what doesn’t. It’s a bit like saying “Johnson & Johnson uses mind control study to make you buy soap!”. Of course, on some level they do but that’s just effective marketing.
It’s not a marketing study, and the main point is that they didn’t obtain consent from the people being studied. It’s a psychology/sociology/behavioral study: PNAS doesn’t publish marketing studies. I’m not sure why you’d think it did.
Do you understand the question of ethics as it relates to informed consent when you’re intentionally adjusting someone’s mood?
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 12:31:44pm |
re: #24 Charles Johnson
Uh, they manipulated people’s Facebook feeds to see if they could create a reaction. That’s not a “marketing study,” its a sociological experiment, on people who didn’t know they were being used this way.
I see to recall the last Facebook study that went viral a few months ago was something about users with more politically diverse friends were less likely to edit their posts (or something). I’m not at all surprised people study social media behavior; Companies, academics, advertisers. It’s big business and there’s money to be made.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 12:32:39pm |
re: #24 Charles Johnson
Uh, they manipulated people’s Facebook feeds to see if they could create a reaction. That’s not a “marketing study,” its a sociological experiment, on people who didn’t know they were being used this way.
Experimental evidence of massive-scale emotional contagion through social networks
Adam D. I. Kramera,1,
Jamie E. Guilloryb, and
Jeffrey T. Hancockc,d
Author Affiliations
Edited by Susan T. Fiske, Princeton University, Princeton, NJ, and approved March 25, 2014 (received for review October 23, 2013)
Authors
Adam D. I. Kramer
aCore Data Science Team, Facebook, Inc., Menlo Park, CA 94025;Jamie E. Guillory
bCenter for Tobacco Control Research and Education, University of California, San Francisco, CA 94143; and
Jeffrey T. Hancock
Departments of cCommunication and
dInformation Science, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853Footnotes
1To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: akramer@fb.com.
Author contributions: A.D.I.K., J.E.G., and J.T.H. designed research; A.D.I.K. performed research; A.D.I.K. analyzed data; and A.D.I.K., J.E.G., and J.T.H. wrote the paper.
The authors declare no conflict of interest.
I don’t understand how working for Facebook and performing this experiment aren’t some kind of conflict of interest.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 28, 2014 12:33:21pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
I see to recall the last Facebook study that went viral a few months ago was something about users with more politically diverse friends were less likely to edit their posts (or something). I’m not at all surprised people study social media behavior; Companies, academics, advertisers. It’s big business and there’s money to be made.
You’re intentionally missing the point: They performed an experiment where they intentionally altered emotions. I would be very surprised to see any sociology department do that study without informed consent.
Do you understand the concept of ‘informed consent’?
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dog philosopher Jun 28, 2014 12:33:41pm |
freeps
I work as a nurse. We had a patient who had to have Obamacare as she lost her job.
Then she had to have a surgery. She was brought to our hospital because of ACA, we take it, her other Dr. does not.
So she lost her usual surgeon, who has been managing her for years surgically for her chronic diabetic ulcers to her foot. He’s done a good job.
The new guy, our guy, is backlogged with surgeries. He could not get to her for a 4 or 5 days to do the surgery, whereas her other Doctor always took her into surgery the day after admittance to the other hospital. So she had to wait on his schedule in our hospital, getting antibiotics and having the schedule for surgery cancelled twice and rescheduled.
She’s ‘not happy’ with the ACA, I can tell you that, boy.
how can you be so unconscious as to not wonder where this woman would be getting insurance and for how much IF THERE WAS NO ACA FERCRISSAKES
“i work as a nurse. somehow, it never occurs to me to wonder how working people bought insurance when they lost their jobs before obamacare”
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 12:34:57pm |
re: #27 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut
And even worse, Facebook clearly understood the ethical problem with doing this, so they tried to insulate themselves from it by having their researchers use a computer program to analyze users’ comments instead of reading them directly.
It’s incredibly sleazy, and it had nothing to do with marketing.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 28, 2014 12:35:21pm |
Facebook is claiming that this part of the Facebook TOS is sufficient:
Facebook does have terms of service — ones that every Facebook user has agreed to — that specify users’ data may be used “for internal operations, including troubleshooting, data analysis, testing, research and service improvement.” The researchers of this psychology experiment argue that their experiments fall under these terms of use because “no text was seen by the researchers.” Rather, a computer program scanned for words that were considered either “positive” or “negative.”
Those TOS’s are not, in general, read, and it’s silly to pretend they are.
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 12:36:54pm |
Oh, my.
Just ponder the mindset needed to produce this paragraph: very typical of @max_fisher https://t.co/z36kiJHxX8 - more: http://t.co/yHk6u3GDic
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 28, 2014
Then, ponder the mindset needed to produce this entire piece:
Friday, November 04, 2005
The reality of Latin American reaction to Bush
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 12:37:28pm |
Meanwhile back in Washington the Senate GOP is filibustering a resolution to officially start summer unless Obamacare is repealed.— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) June 28, 2014
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Jun 28, 2014 12:38:35pm |
re: #30 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut
You’re intentionally missing the point: They performed an experiment where they intentionally altered emotions. I would be very surprised to see any sociology department do that study without informed consent.
Do you understand the concept of ‘informed consent’?
I would be surprised to see any department in any university do that study. I’d also say it’s more of a psychological than sociological study (manipulation of stimuli to see how people respond emotionally).
It’s pretty fucked up, and their weak reed justification is that users agreed to the Terms of Service and no humans manipulated the feeds. Bullshit. Humans set up the algorithms that controlled the feed manipulation.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 28, 2014 12:39:05pm |
re: #32 Charles Johnson
And even worse, Facebook clearly understood the ethical problem with doing this, so they tried to insulate themselves from it by having their researchers use a computer program to analyze users’ comments instead of reading them directly.
It’s incredibly sleazy, and it had nothing to do with marketing.
To me, it’s right on the edge of unethical. I understand the temptation of the gigantic data mine that they have, but the annoying thing is they actually weakened the research by intentionally feeding positive or negative stuff into their ‘news’ feed. First of all, that might be a social reaction rather than a ‘mood’—the person may feel fine, but try to fit in with the prevailing sentiment, kind of like if you’re really happy at a sad event you don’t start cracking one liners. Second of all, a more interesting pattern would be how this propagates naturally: as in, just through random chance or through the user’s choice of subjects, some people will have more ‘negative’ choices in their news feed, and others will have less negative. That data is available—if they can analyze users for positive and negative news feeds, then they have enough data to just do that without interference. And if they need to find feeds that change, then again, random chance will provide them plenty of examples of that, too.
So there was a completely ethical way to do this. It would have probably resulted in a smaller N, but an N of that size is complete statistical overkill, anyway.
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CuriousLurker Jun 28, 2014 12:40:24pm |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
I’m more peeved that it seems my credit card purchases and now somehow linked to the banner ads I get. If I pay $20 for organic pesticide with my debit card, I’ll start seeing banner ads for pesticide and gardening stuff within an hour. I never give personal info to the stores so I assume it must be my bank and ISP have some info sharing agreement.
Of course your bank shares, you can’t make electronic transactions and remain anonymous. Apart from doing cash-only transactions in person (so UPS, FedEX, et al won’t have your info), you have a very limited ability to control what is shared.
Example: Bank of America’s U.S. Consumer Privacy Notice.
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allegro Jun 28, 2014 12:41:46pm |
re: #31 dog philosopher
freeps
I work as a nurse. We had a patient who had to have Obamacare as she lost her job.
Then she had to have a surgery. She was brought to our hospital because of ACA, we take it, her other Dr. does not.
So she lost her usual surgeon, who has been managing her for years surgically for her chronic diabetic ulcers to her foot. He’s done a good job.
The new guy, our guy, is backlogged with surgeries. He could not get to her for a 4 or 5 days to do the surgery, whereas her other Doctor always took her into surgery the day after admittance to the other hospital. So she had to wait on his schedule in our hospital, getting antibiotics and having the schedule for surgery cancelled twice and rescheduled.
She’s ‘not happy’ with the ACA, I can tell you that, boy.
how can you be so unconscious as to not wonder where this woman would be getting insurance and for how much IF THERE WAS NO ACA FERCRISSAKES
“i work as a nurse. somehow, it never occurs to me to wonder how working people bought insurance when they lost their jobs before obamacare”
I call bullshit. Don’t even need to get past the first line to know it is. Wouldn’t a nurse talking about this issue know that there is no such thing as “Obamacare”? Those of us who have purchased insurance via the ACA have the same insurance with the same companies as those who have it through their employers.
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 12:42:22pm |
re: #36 Rev_Arthur_Belling
I would be surprised to see any department in any university do that study. I’d also say it’s more of a psychological than sociological study (manipulation of stimuli to see how people respond emotionally).
It’s pretty fucked up, and their weak reed justification is that users agreed to the Terms of Service and no humans manipulated the feeds. Bullshit. Humans set up the algorithms that controlled the feed manipulation.
Get ready to be surprised…
google.com
Universities all across the globe are studying this stuff, kids are majoring in it, writing papers, doing research, etc.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Jun 28, 2014 12:42:40pm |
re: #38 CuriousLurker
Of course your bank shares, you can’t make electronic transactions and remain anonymous. Apart from doing cash-only transactions in person (so UPS, FedEX, et al won’t have your info), you have a very limited ability to control what is shared.
Example: Bank of America’s U.S. Consumer Privacy Notice.
Wow. That’s one reason I use a Credit Union. I hate BofA.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Jun 28, 2014 12:45:06pm |
re: #40 Killgore Trout
Get ready to be surprised…
google.com
Universities all across the globe are studying this stuff, kids are majoring in it, writing papers, doing research, etc.
You’re an idiot if you don’t see the difference between studying things people post online and manipulating the things people see online in order to gauge their reaction. FWIW, I got IRB approval several times to study things posted on publicly accessible weblogs. I did not have to get informed consent because I was studying things people had posted publicly. The difference here is these people were being manipulated to study what they posted after the manipulation.
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CuriousLurker Jun 28, 2014 12:46:33pm |
re: #41 Rev_Arthur_Belling
Yeah, sharing with “service providers we use to offer our products and service” and “our affiliates” is so vague as to be useless.
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ObserverArt Jun 28, 2014 12:46:36pm |
Aww…it’s just a bunch of people mindlessly typing away on a keyboard wasting their time on Facebook as they would anyway!
///
By the way…how long before Facebook enters the political polling arena and starts to do polls based on what their users are saying in their pages? Who knows, maybe for enough bucks Facebook could use this study to slowly learn how to manipulate enough to suggest who users should vote for.
/// (I wish I was kidding)
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 12:46:40pm |
re: #38 CuriousLurker
Of course your bank shares, you can’t make electronic transactions and remain anonymous. Apart from doing cash-only transactions in person (so UPS, FedEX, et al won’t have your info), you have a very limited ability to control what is shared.
Example: Bank of America’s U.S. Consumer Privacy Notice.
I have thought about using cash more but I’m such a non-consumer anyways, it’s not like they’re making any money off me anyways. I guess getting banner ads for tupperware and organic pest control isn’t the worst thing that can happen to a guy.
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 12:47:26pm |
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 28, 2014 12:48:26pm |
re: #36 Rev_Arthur_Belling
I would be surprised to see any department in any university do that study. I’d also say it’s more of a psychological than sociological study (manipulation of stimuli to see how people respond emotionally).
Heh. I think the effect they observe may be a social one; sociology can nearly always claim that anything involving public communication can be studies sociologically too.
Academics at both UCSF and Cornell University were co-authors on this. I think they feel shielded by the Facebook TOS and the fact that it’s a voluntary service. It would probably pass the IRB at a normal university under the rubric of ‘minimal harm’, if a very good case was made for it, but it’s right on the edge. They’re alleging a huge N, which actually means if there was say, a 1/600,000 chance they had a severely negative effect on someone, then in fact they did have a severely negative effect on someone.
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 12:50:03pm |
Even the Editor of Facebook’s Mood Study Thought It Was Creepy
Mood researchers have been toying with human emotion since long before the Internet age, but it’s hard to think of a comparable experiment offline. It might be different, Fiske suggests, if a person were to find a dime in a public phone booth, then later learn that a researcher had left the money there to see what might happen to it.
“But if you find money on the street and it makes you feel cheerful, the idea that someone placed it there, it’s not as personal,” she said. “I think part of what’s disturbing for some people about this particular research is you think of your News Feed as something personal. I had not seen before, personally, something in which the researchers had the cooperation of Facebook to manipulate people… Who knows what other research they’re doing.”
Fiske still isn’t sure whether the research, which she calls “inventive and useful,” crossed a line. “I don’t think the originality of the research should be lost,” she said. “So, I think it’s an open ethical question. It’s ethically okay from the regulations perspective, but ethics are kind of social decisions. There’s not an absolute answer. And so the level of outrage that appears to be happening suggests that maybe it shouldn’t have been done…I’m still thinking about it and I’m a little creeped out, too.”
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 28, 2014 12:50:22pm |
re: #40 Killgore Trout
Get ready to be surprised…
google.com
Universities all across the globe are studying this stuff, kids are majoring in it, writing papers, doing research, etc.
And they do these things under the guidance of review boards who check the ethics of the projects. All projects have to pass the IRB, and some can be expedited if you argue a minimal harm, which is common for most social experiments. In this one, however, they are explicitly saying they’re having a negative effect on some people. That puts it right up against the line of informed consent.
Are you just going to keep pretending that there aren’t ethical considerations for this sort of research? It’s really making you look like an idiot.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 28, 2014 12:50:35pm |
re: #26 Rightwingconspirator
The B&W live feed reminds me of early launch/re reentry coverage, circa ‘68
Still tethered to the balloon:
have to look real close to see the “saucer”…it’s just a dim dot.
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Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP Jun 28, 2014 12:51:36pm |
re: #39 allegro
I call bullshit. Don’t even need to get past the first line to know it is. Wouldn’t a nurse talking about this issue know that there is no such thing as “Obamacare”? Those of us who have purchased insurance via the ACA have the same insurance with the same companies as those who have it through their employers.
Having run into my fair share of not-so-bright nurses, this could absolutely be true.
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 12:52:26pm |
re: #42 Rev_Arthur_Belling
You’re an idiot if you don’t see the difference between studying things people post online and manipulating the things people see online in order to gauge their reaction. FWIW, I got IRB approval several times to study things posted on publicly accessible weblogs. I did not have to get informed consent because I was studying things people had posted publicly. The difference here is these people were being manipulated to study what they posted after the manipulation.
I understand, I’m just not surprised. We are constantly being manipulated and studied every time we shop for groceries or anything else. From the colors they use, the lighting, the music, how items are arranged or placed. They study this shit. Every time you buy a snickers from the impulse rack it’s a victory for some scientist who studied it. TV, radio, internet, stores, malls, highways and intersections. We are being studied and manipulated. It’s not exactly Blade runner yet but I look forward to my robotic Daryl Hannah.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 12:52:59pm |
re: #46 Charles Johnson
Even the Editor of Facebook’s Mood Study Thought It Was Creepy
From there:
Universities and other institutions that get federal funding are required to have IRBs, which often rely on standards like the Common Rule—one of the main ethical guideposts that says research subjects must give their consent before they’re included in an experiment. “People are supposed to be, under most circumstances, told that they’re going to be participants in research and then agree to it and have the option not to agree to it without penalty,” Fiske said. (I emailed the study’s authors on Saturday afternoon, but haven’t reached them yet.)
But Facebook, as a private company, doesn’t have to agree to the same ethical standards as federal agencies and universities, Fiske said.
“A lot of the regulation of research ethics hinges on government supported research, and of course Facebook’s research is not government supported, so they’re not obligated by any laws or regulations to abide by the standards,” she said. “But I have to say that many universities and research institutions and even for-profit companies use the Common Rule as a guideline anyway. It’s voluntary. You could imagine if you were a drug company, you’d want to be able to say you’d done the research ethically because the backlash would be just huge otherwise.” [Emphases added]
So they’re regulated by Backlash. I think I might close my FB pages today.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Jun 28, 2014 12:53:18pm |
re: #47 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut
I stand corrected on the IRB approval:
“I was concerned,” she told me in a phone interview, “until I queried the authors and they said their local institutional review board had approved it—and apparently on the grounds that Facebook apparently manipulates people’s News Feeds all the time… I understand why people have concerns. I think their beef is with Facebook, really, not the research.”
I question WTF the local IRB boards were thinking here. Probably $$$. And it’s a quantitative difference between manipulating someone’s news feeds by promoting things they “like” and not surfacing things they tend to ignore and purposely pushing things with a positive message to gauge a reaction.
i/600,000 odds of having a serious negative effect is still 1/600,000 more than they should have been able to get approved. But Facebook has no morals.
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gwangung Jun 28, 2014 12:53:23pm |
re: #52 Killgore Trout
I understand, I’m just not surprised. We are constantly being manipulated and studied every time we shop for groceries or anything else. From the colors they use, the lighting, the music, how items are arranged or placed. They study this shit. Every time you buy a snickers from the impulse rack it’s a victory for some scientist who studied it. TV, radio, internet, stores, malls, highways and intersections. We are being studied and manipulated. It’s not exactly Blade runner yet but I look forward to my robotic Daryl Hannah.
Dude, you’re trolling.
Zzzzzzz.
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CuriousLurker Jun 28, 2014 12:54:21pm |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
I have thought about using cash more but I’m such a non-consumer anyways, it’s not like they’re making any money off me anyways. I guess getting banner ads for tupperware and organic pest control isn’t the worst thing that can happen to a guy.
You still have to eat and buy the basics to live (soap, toilet paper, etc.) Those things are marketed to you also, unless you purchase 100% generic. And even that will tell them something about you & your habits/personality.
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 12:55:13pm |
re: #34 Justanotherhuman
Oh, my.
[Embedded content]
Then, ponder the mindset needed to produce this entire piece:
Friday, November 04, 2005
The reality of Latin American reaction to Bush
+1000!
Just ponder the mindset needed to produce this piece: very typical of Glenn Greenwald. http://t.co/znQXTyyZoK— Gus (@Gus_802) June 28, 2014
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 28, 2014 12:55:55pm |
re: #54 Rev_Arthur_Belling
I stand corrected on the IRB approval:
I question WTF the local IRB boards were thinking here. Probably $$$. And it’s a quantitative difference between manipulating someone’s news feeds by promoting things they “like” and not surfacing things they tend to ignore and purposely pushing things with a positive message to gauge a reaction.
i/600,000 odds of having a serious negative effect is still 1/600,000 more than they should have been able to get approved. But Facebook has no morals.
The IRB boards were saying “We’re not doing it, Facebook already is going to do this, we’re going to observe.” I think it was a poor decision on their part, but I don’t doubt that Facebook would have gone ahead with the experiment without them, too.
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 12:57:15pm |
re: #48 Charles Johnson
Even the Editor of Facebook’s Mood Study Thought It Was Creepy
But obviously not creepy enough to condemn it or distance herself from it.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 28, 2014 12:57:16pm |
re: #31 dog philosopher
umm…how does the hospital/doctor “know she is ACA”?
Answer: they do not.
She might be Medicaid, but even that doesn’t identify her as “ACA”.
Total bullshit.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 28, 2014 12:58:03pm |
I’ve read the “Methods” sections of five of the papers cited in this review. None of them forewent informed consent, and none of them attempting to change behavior in a negative fashion.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 28, 2014 1:01:03pm |
There’s a good reason we don’t have a libertarian/classical liberal approach to science. It was incredibly fucking unethical when we did it that way.
The Belmont Report, which was done in response to the egregious violations of ethics and the patchwork of ethics covering such stuff, was one of the best advances in US academic history.
The three main principles of it are:
Respect for persons: protecting the autonomy of all people and treating them with courtesy and respect and allowing for informed consent. Researchers must be truthful and conduct no deception;
Beneficence: The philosophy of “Do no harm” while maximizing benefits for the research project and minimizing risks to the research subjects; and
Justice: ensuring reasonable, non-exploitative, and well-considered procedures are administered fairly — the fair distribution of costs and benefits to potential research participants — and equally.
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 1:03:37pm |
Now the Greenborg will descend on Max Fisher as ordered. For it has been stated by The Mighty Greenwald.— Gus (@Gus_802) June 28, 2014
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 1:04:08pm |
re: #56 CuriousLurker
You still have to eat and buy the basics to live (soap, toilet paper, etc.) Those things are marketed to you also, unless you purchase 100% generic. And even that will tell them something about you & your habits/personality.
Yeah, I thought about using cash more but I really don’t care enough that my ISP know what brand of soap I use. Dr. Broner’s is a fine product. My only complaint is some stores put it in the hippie-natural foods- holistic section. I don’t approve of the segregation and stigma associated with forcing me into the hippie section of the store.
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calochortus Jun 28, 2014 1:06:04pm |
re: #39 allegro
“The new guy, our guy, is backlogged with surgeries. He could not get to her for a 4 or 5 days to do the surgery, whereas her other Doctor always took her into surgery the day after admittance to the other hospital. So she had to wait on his schedule in our hospital, getting antibiotics and having the schedule for surgery cancelled twice and rescheduled.”
So, it was easier and cheaper to just keep the patient in the hospital for a few days than to find a surgeon? If she was in such terrible shape that she had to be hospitalized awaiting surgery, you’d think she’d be bumped up the list a bit.
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 1:08:52pm |
Concern troll speaks up. She can look at the released docs? Naw, Benghazi!
Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-NH, expresses concerns over ‘rushed interrogation’ of Benghazi suspect; asks justice and defense departments for update on his status - @NBCNews
End of alert
More: Public documents to be made available after Benghazi suspect’s hearing today in Washington, DC, @FBI says
End of alert
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 1:09:43pm |
It’s too slow, it’s too fast, it’s too rushed.
It’s Benghazi!
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 1:10:41pm |
re: #66 calochortus
So, it was easier and cheaper to just keep the patient in the hospital for a few days than to find a surgeon? If she was in such terrible shape that she had to be hospitalized awaiting surgery, you’d think she’d be bumped up the list a bit.
Hospitals don’t admit you that way.
This is just a full of shit rumor.
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calochortus Jun 28, 2014 1:11:53pm |
re: #69 Justanotherhuman
Hospitals don’t admit you that way.
This is just a full of shit rumor.
I’m shocked! Shocked, I tell you.
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CuriousLurker Jun 28, 2014 1:14:10pm |
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 1:14:21pm |
According to the Beast: Iraqi Insurgents Circulate the Lie That They Killed the Judge in Saddam’s Trial
Judge Ra’ouf is most definitely alive and well and completely safe in the comforts of home and hearth. The widespread press reports of his murder at the hands of the ISIS militants who now control a large swath of northwestern Iraq were completely fabricated.
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Stanley Sea Jun 28, 2014 1:16:19pm |
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 1:16:40pm |
re: #70 calochortus
I’m shocked! Shocked, I tell you.
Has that “nurse” ever heard of triage? Obviously not.
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thedopefishlives Jun 28, 2014 1:16:59pm |
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Dr Lizardo Jun 28, 2014 1:17:56pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I thought about using cash more but I really don’t care enough that my ISP know what brand of soap I use. Dr. Broner’s is a fine product. My only complaint is some stores put it in the hippie-natural foods- holistic section. I don’t approve of the segregation and stigma associated with forcing me into the hippie section of the store.
Too bad you guys don’t have Lidl in the US, or at least in the Northwest. They carry a store-label known as ‘Cien’ and it’s not only really good - it’s really inexpensive. They also carry a store-label known as ‘G. Bellini’, mostly shaving stuff.
For example, the G. Bellini Shark 2.0 razor - a five blade type. Four replacement head package runs about $6.50 at the rate of exchange and those heads last for two weeks of daily use.
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bratwurst Jun 28, 2014 1:18:53pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
I don’t approve of the segregation and stigma associated with forcing me into the hippie section of the store.
I shall serenade you with this to salve your wounds:
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Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 28, 2014 1:19:51pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I thought about using cash more but I really don’t care enough that my ISP know what brand of soap I use. Dr. Broner’s is a fine product. My only complaint is some stores put it in the hippie-natural foods- holistic section. I don’t approve of the segregation and stigma associated with forcing me into the hippie section of the store.
bwahahaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 1:21:56pm |
re: #76 klys
Someone might think he was a *gasp* progressive!
Constant outraged has damaged your humor cortex. It’s a joke. I live in Portland, there is no non-hippie section of anything here.
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klys Jun 28, 2014 1:22:42pm |
re: #81 Killgore Trout
Constant outraged has damaged your humor cortex. It’s a joke. I live in Portland, there is no non-hippie section of anything here.
Oh sweetie, everything you post is a joke. It’s ok, I get it.
/patpat
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 28, 2014 1:22:55pm |
re: #81 Killgore Trout
Constant outraged has damaged your humor cortex. It’s a joke. I live in Portland, there is no non-hippie section of anything here.
Boy that sure was a funny joke!
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CuriousLurker Jun 28, 2014 1:24:05pm |
re: #82 klys
Oh sweetie, everything you post is a joke. It’s ok, I get it.
/patpat
He walked right into that one.
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 1:24:36pm |
re: #78 Dr Lizardo
Too bad you guys don’t have Lidl in the US, or at least in the Northwest. They carry a store-label known as ‘Cien’ and it’s not only really good - it’s really inexpensive. They also carry a store-label known as ‘G. Bellini’, mostly shaving stuff.
For example, the G. Bellini Shark 2.0 razor - a five blade type. Four replacement head package runs about $6.50 at the rate of exchange and those heads last for two weeks of daily use.
But there are always the snobs who will pay 10 to 20 times as much for dept store makeup. I never wore much makeup at all, and balked at paying $25 or $30 for a tube of mascara or a lipstick.
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 1:26:27pm |
Meanwhile…
Interesting that @ggreenwald hasn’t said a word about the NSA transparency report. http://t.co/wEWrHioV8O— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 28, 2014
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thedopefishlives Jun 28, 2014 1:27:07pm |
re: #86 Charles Johnson
Meanwhile…
[Embedded content]
He’s preoccupied with the World Cup match, Charles. Priorities.///
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Dr Lizardo Jun 28, 2014 1:30:25pm |
re: #85 Justanotherhuman
But there are always the snobs who will pay 10 to 20 times as much for dept store makeup. I never wore much makeup at all, and balked at paying $25 or $30 for a tube of mascara or a lipstick.
When it comes to daily-use stuff, I tend to buy generic or store-label, unless it’s some really good deal on a name-brand item.
Most of the products, I’ve noticed, are made in Germany, especially the personal-care items, such as toothpaste, mouthwash, etc. Lidl and a drugstore called Rossmann is good for that stuff.
But for razors, definitely…..Lidl. Far cheaper than anything else I’ve seen elsewhere.
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 1:33:32pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
Maybe you should consider Occupying the grocery store until they move their inventory around.
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Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP Jun 28, 2014 1:34:46pm |
re: #69 Justanotherhuman
Hospitals don’t admit you that way.
This is just a full of shit rumor.
Meh. I don’t know about that. My dad had a major heart attack that should have killed him. He needed bypass surgery. They kept him in one hospital in the ICU for a week until a bed opened up at the hospital where he could get the surgery done.
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 1:38:47pm |
re: #89 Lidane
Maybe you should consider Occupying the grocery store until they move their inventory around.
It wouldn’t work. They have security guards since the anti-GMO protesters started knocking over displays and causing a ruckus inside the store.
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calochortus Jun 28, 2014 1:40:52pm |
Speaking of occupying the grocery store, I suppose I’d better go do my grocery shopping. Later, all.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 1:41:19pm |
re: #78 Dr Lizardo
Too bad you guys don’t have Lidl in the US, or at least in the Northwest. They carry a store-label known as ‘Cien’ and it’s not only really good - it’s really inexpensive. They also carry a store-label known as ‘G. Bellini’, mostly shaving stuff.
For example, the G. Bellini Shark 2.0 razor - a five blade type. Four replacement head package runs about $6.50 at the rate of exchange and those heads last for two weeks of daily use.
I remember when a 5-blade razor was a hysterical fake commercial on SNL. Might have been the first season. Tagline: Because you’ll believe anything. I think it was not long after the double blade ones came out.
“The first one lifts the whisker…”
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 1:41:39pm |
re: #90 Sionainn
Meh. I don’t know about that. My dad had a major heart attack that should have killed him. He needed bypass surgery. They kept him in one hospital in the ICU for a week until a bed opened up at the hospital where he could get the surgery done.
He was in an ICU w/a heart attack, being monitored. That’s a lot more understandable, a result of an initial emergency. Obviously, that hospital didn’t have the facilities for the surgery he needed.
My son was taken to the local hospital for cardiac arrest when he was visiting us; had to be transported by heli to a heart unit at a major hospital in Charlotte, but he never recovered; there was too much brain damage, and we had to remove life support 5 days later.
Not all hospitals are equipped for every type of emergency or surgery.
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TedStriker Jun 28, 2014 1:43:28pm |
re: #78 Dr Lizardo
Too bad you guys don’t have Lidl in the US, or at least in the Northwest. They carry a store-label known as ‘Cien’ and it’s not only really good - it’s really inexpensive. They also carry a store-label known as ‘G. Bellini’, mostly shaving stuff.
For example, the G. Bellini Shark 2.0 razor - a five blade type. Four replacement head package runs about $6.50 at the rate of exchange and those heads last for two weeks of daily use.
Aldi is pretty much that type of store here in the US right now; as a matter of fact, Aldi and Lidl are competitors in much of Europe, as I’m sure you’re already aware of. However, Lidl is apparently moving into the US market as well by 2018, according to the Wiki.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 28, 2014 1:43:45pm |
re: #89 Lidane
Maybe you should consider Occupying the grocery store until they move their inventory around.
but stay away from the spice aisle, especially where the pepper is located…
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Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 28, 2014 1:44:31pm |
re: #90 Sionainn
Meh. I don’t know about that. My dad had a major heart attack that should have killed him. He needed bypass surgery. They kept him in one hospital in the ICU for a week until a bed opened up at the hospital where he could get the surgery done.
That is so apples and oranges from what the freeper post described.
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Dr Lizardo Jun 28, 2014 1:45:36pm |
re: #93 wrenchwench
I remember when a 5-blade razor was a hysterical fake commercial on SNL. Might have been the first season. Tagline: Because you’ll believe anything. I think it was not long after the double blade ones came out.
“The first one lifts the whisker…”
I remember that as well; one of SNL’s better spoof commercials. And then it became reality.
As long as no one comes up with Colon Blow, then it’s all good.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 1:46:06pm |
I’m being egged on by a guy with a bird for his icon. (Better than being egged on by an egg, I guess.)
Facebook will wait to see if anyone threatening to quit actually does (nope) before they roll out emotion-manipulation in the next version.— Mike Dickison (@adzebill) June 28, 2014
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 1:47:32pm |
re: #98 Dr Lizardo
The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
I will count myself lucky.
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Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP Jun 28, 2014 1:47:52pm |
re: #94 Justanotherhuman
He was in an ICU w/a heart attack, being monitored. That’s a lot more understandable, a result of an initial emergency. Obviously, that hospital didn’t have the facilities for the surgery he needed.
My son was taken to the local hospital for cardiac arrest when he was visiting us; had to be transported by heli to a heart unit at a major hospital in Charlotte, but he never recovered; there was too much brain damage, and we had to remove life support 5 days later.
Not all hospitals are equipped for every type of emergency or surgery.
This is true, and I’m very sorry to hear about your son. I’ve been in the position of having to decide to remove life support.
In my dad’s case, the hospital was new and they hadn’t gotten their accreditation yet for heart surgery. They were so afraid that he would have another heart attack while waiting, they wouldn’t let him get up or work on his computer or anything.
In the case of the original story, we have no idea why someone wasn’t immediately operated on. Could be numerous factors including lousy labs where potassium or sodium levels needed to be optimized, etc. I do believe there are nurses out there who actually believe that ACA is an insurance and it prevents people from getting the care they need.
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Dr Lizardo Jun 28, 2014 1:48:23pm |
re: #95 TedStriker
Aldi is pretty much that type of store here in the US right now; as a matter of fact, Aldi and Lidl are competitors in much of Europe. However, Lidl is apparently moving into the US market as well by 2018, according to the Wiki.
Cool; good to hear. Here in the Czech Republic, we only have Lidl, though I’ve shopped at Aldi when I lived in Berlin - there was one pretty close by.
It’d be nice to see Lidl in the US - good store with good prices. It’s pretty similar to Aldi.
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Dr Lizardo Jun 28, 2014 1:48:59pm |
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Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP Jun 28, 2014 1:49:32pm |
re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth
That is so apples and oranges from what the freeper post described.
My post was based on post #66. Obviously, they do keep people in the hospital waiting until surgery can be done.
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 1:50:30pm |
I can say with all certainty that “Burt’s Bees” body wash is one of the most overrated and expensive products I’ve ever tried. Of course, I got the 10 oz bottle for 75% off, but even at $2 (it had been $8!), it hasn’t lasted much more than a couple of weeks. A bar of English Lavender will last for a month, smells better, and I can get it for $1.
Yes, I’m cheap, but it’s all just soap anyway. : )
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 1:51:03pm |
re: #98 Dr Lizardo
I remember that as well; one of SNL’s better spoof commercials. And then it became reality.
As long as no one comes up with Colon Blow, then it’s all good.
[Embedded content]
I thought that was Gwyneth Paltrow’s next product.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 1:51:12pm |
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klys Jun 28, 2014 1:53:08pm |
re: #105 Justanotherhuman
I can say with all certainty that “Burt’s Bees” body wash is one of the most overrated and expensive products I’ve ever tried. Of course, I got the 10 oz bottle for 75% off, but even at $2 (it had been $8!), it hasn’t lasted much more than a couple of weeks. A bar of English Lavender will last for a month, smells better, and I can get it for $1.
Yes, I’m cheap, but it’s all just soap anyway. : )
We buy our year’s supply of soap from a very nice couple that sells at the Highland Games and have turned us into soap snobs, because their stuff suds up the best and washes away well and has a very nice variety of scents.
I am looking forward to restocking over Labor Day weekend.
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 1:54:17pm |
re: #105 Justanotherhuman
Yes, I’m cheap, but it’s all just soap anyway. : )
I’m so radical I’ve freed myself of the whole artificial corporate concept of different soaps (shampoo, hand soap, body wash). Soap is soap, anyone who says different is a capitalist!
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 1:55:05pm |
re: #110 Killgore Trout
I’m so radical I’ve freed myself of the whole artificial corporate concept of different soaps (shampoo, hand soap, body wash). Soap is soap, anyone who says different is a capitalist!
I knew someone who tried Bronner’s for toothpaste. Once.
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Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Jun 28, 2014 1:56:21pm |
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 1:57:07pm |
re: #112 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
With monocles?
And fedora hats. Oh, and beards. Nice, well trimmed beards.
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blueraven Jun 28, 2014 1:57:55pm |
I haven’t completely given up on soap products but I find myself using more white vinegar, baking soda, salt, etc, for cleaning.
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 1:58:02pm |
Dollar Store for shampoo/ conditioner/ toothpaste (and I couldn’t even tell you what brands they are). I never did buy/use the expensive brands that promised I wouldn’t lose hair/ teeth
I’m over 60 and have a full head of the hair with the color it’s been since I was a kid and all my teeth
OTOH,, I have a close friend who has always been a grooming freak
Top line hair products throughout his adult life
He’s bald today, and not by choice!
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 1:58:12pm |
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GlutenFreeJesus Jun 28, 2014 1:58:25pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
According to the Beast: Iraqi Insurgents Circulate the Lie That They Killed the Judge in Saddam’s Trial
The heat is on. Time to change the subject.
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Bear Jun 28, 2014 1:58:43pm |
re: #111 wrenchwench
In the past kids could get their mouth washed out with soapy water for saying a “BAD” word.
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 1:59:22pm |
Might be shocking to some, but, sometimes people will be tired, exhausted, or in pain leading them to make spelling or other errors.
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allegro Jun 28, 2014 1:59:41pm |
re: #110 Killgore Trout
I’m so radical I’ve freed myself of the whole artificial corporate concept of different soaps (shampoo, hand soap, body wash). Soap is soap, anyone who says different is a capitalist!
I agree. I buy my body wash/shampoo/handsoap unscented in a gallon jug from a candle and soap supply company. I use my favorite essential oils to add whatever fragrance I’m in the mood for.
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 1:59:47pm |
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 1:59:52pm |
Dr. Bronner is a thing again? Yikes. I stopped that around 1982.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:00:28pm |
Good, cheap soap.
We had to switch from cheap bar soap because one of the cats licks the bar and then pukes all over.
I don’t use it for shampoo, except for the cats.
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:00:41pm |
re: #124 Killgore Trout
Elitist!
/
99 cents. :D OK, $1.29. I can also get it Safeway rather than at the local food boutique.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:01:25pm |
re: #122 Gus
Might be shocking to some, but, sometimes people will be tired, exhausted, or in pain leading them to make spelling or other errors.
I did not think of it as an error, but as an opportunity. /
{{Gus}}
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 2:01:37pm |
re: #125 Gus
Dr. Bronner is a thing again? Yikes. I stopped that around 1982.
That’s because you haven’t had teeth since ‘81!
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thedopefishlives Jun 28, 2014 2:01:47pm |
re: #122 Gus
Might be shocking to some, but, sometimes people will be tired, exhausted, or in pain leading them to make spelling or other errors.
No, that isn’t allowed. You need to just stop that.///
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TedStriker Jun 28, 2014 2:01:58pm |
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 2:02:14pm |
I’ve dated more than a couple girls who use rocks instead of deodorant/antiperspirant.
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:03:21pm |
Washed my hair with Bronner’s soap once too. To be honest. I wish I was out in the woods washing my hair with Bonner’s soap, young, hanging out and drinking beer and smoking weed in the Pinelands again.
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RealityBasedSteve Jun 28, 2014 2:03:23pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I thought about using cash more but I really don’t care enough that my ISP know what brand of soap I use. Dr. Broner’s is a fine product. My only complaint is some stores put it in the hippie-natural foods- holistic section. I don’t approve of the segregation and stigma associated with forcing me into the hippie section of the store.
I had to look hard to find the hippie section of the store. I finally found it, it’s WAY left of the the Guns & Ammos section.
RBS
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 2:05:11pm |
re: #133 Killgore Trout
I’ve dated more than a couple girls who use rocks instead of deodorant/antiperspirant.
Roll on?
Rocks and Roll then , huh!?!??!
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bratwurst Jun 28, 2014 2:05:16pm |
Conservatives spread fear that immigration reform could lead to more soccer.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) June 28, 2014
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:05:23pm |
But yeah. Bonner’s was kind of a thing. But we didn’t write about it. No blogs. No Tweets. We were like, “hey man this Bonner’s soap is pretty cool.” You could also sit on the toilet reading the label if you needed some reading material.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:05:59pm |
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thedopefishlives Jun 28, 2014 2:06:16pm |
re: #140 wrenchwench
You Wait Too Long
Taj Mahal
[Embedded content]
Sheesh, am I the only one who posts on-topic???!!!??///
There’s a topic?
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 2:06:18pm |
re: #139 Gus
But yeah. Bonner’s was kind of a thing. But we didn’t write about it. No blogs. No Tweets. We were like, “hey man this Bonner’s soap is pretty cool.” You could also sit on the toilet reading the label if you needed some reading material.
you still can
via GOOGLE with your laptop!!!
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 2:06:47pm |
re: #140 wrenchwench
You Wait Too Long
Taj Mahal
[Embedded content]
Sheesh, am I the only one who posts on-topic???!!!??///
We’re past 100 comments so ,,,, yeah!
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TedStriker Jun 28, 2014 2:06:51pm |
re: #125 Gus
Dr. Bronner is a thing again? Yikes. I stopped that around 1982.
It never really went away; it works good when backpacking and gives your junk that cool, tingly feeling.
I know from experience.
///
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 2:07:05pm |
re: #136 RealityBasedSteve
I had to look hard to find the hippie section of the store. I finally found it, it’s WAY left of the the Guns & Ammos section.
RBS
Heh. I took a group of European violin makers to a rural Walmart once. They were amazed at the size of the place and the combination of bulk food, clothing and guns all under one roof.
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:07:10pm |
There was also that series of books. Kind of like a hippie survivalist manual. Forgot the name.
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 2:07:58pm |
Nice shot Colombia! That was awesome. They’re up 2 - 0.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:08:05pm |
re: #146 Gus
There was also that series of books. Kind of like a hippie survivalist manual. Forgot the name.
Mother Earth Quarterly?
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GlutenFreeJesus Jun 28, 2014 2:08:13pm |
re: #120 Bear
In the past kids could get their mouth washed out with soapy water for saying a “BAD” word.
It was… Soap. Poisoning!
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:08:27pm |
re: #147 Lidane
Nice shot Colombia! That was awesome. They’re up 2 - 0.
My SIL is going crazy somewhere.
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 2:08:36pm |
re: #108 Gus
Taking a selfie with @GreenpeaceUSA above the NSA data center in Utah was definitely necessary. More pics soon! pic.twitter.com/A1Q9ZgjAve— EFF (@EFF) June 27, 2014
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:09:01pm |
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 2:09:08pm |
re: #147 Lidane
Nice shot Colombia! That was awesome. They’re up 2 - 0.
Somewhere, Luis Suarez is biting himself!
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:09:30pm |
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:09:30pm |
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 2:09:38pm |
re: #146 Gus
There was also that series of books. Kind of like a hippie survivalist manual. Forgot the name.
Was it something like Wormwood? I vaguely remember something like that too.
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 2:10:20pm |
James Rodriguez with another http://t.co/9oWdRK0kJk— Football Vines (@FootballVines) June 28, 2014
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:10:35pm |
re: #154 wrenchwench
Mother Earth News
Whole Earth Quarterly.
That might be it. Of course we were “heads” by then and not hippies. You had the heads, the jocks, and the egg heads. :D
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:10:43pm |
re: #151 Charles Johnson
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They look like they brushed with Bronner’s this morning.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:11:42pm |
re: #158 Gus
That might be it. Of course we were “heads” by then and not hippies. You had the heads, the jocks, and the egg heads. :D
And the Soshes, although spelling has always been vague on that.
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:11:49pm |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
Was it something like Wormwood? I vaguely remember something like that too.
Doesn’t sound familiar. There were other must have books. Like Colin Fletcher’s “Complete Walker.”
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PhillyPretzel Jun 28, 2014 2:12:25pm |
re: #157 Lidane
I saw the picture for a few seconds and then it came up “Sorry, this content is not available in your country.” That stinks.
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GlutenFreeJesus Jun 28, 2014 2:12:48pm |
Anyone got some patchouli oil? It’s like I’m back in college around here.
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:12:56pm |
Double albums were always checked for left over weed. :D
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 2:13:01pm |
re: #161 Gus
Doesn’t sound familiar. There were other must have books. Like Colin Fletcher’s “Complete Walker.”
Or his British version, “Complete Wanker”
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 2:13:08pm |
re: #162 PhillyPretzel
I saw the picture for a few seconds and then it came up “Sorry, this content is not available in your country.” That stinks.
I changed it. It should be a Vine now.
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prairiefire Jun 28, 2014 2:13:46pm |
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Varek Raith Jun 28, 2014 2:14:09pm |
re: #151 Charles Johnson
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A tyrant would’ve had that thing shot down.
What morons.
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 2:14:13pm |
re: #164 GlutenFreeJesus
Anyone got some patchouli oil? It’s like I’m back in college around here.
Patchouli has convinced some people that bathing is optional. They’re wrong.
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thedopefishlives Jun 28, 2014 2:14:23pm |
re: #164 GlutenFreeJesus
Anyone got some patchouli oil? It’s like I’m back in college around here.
Nope, but we’ve got a German beer festival going on uptown today. I’m sure that’ll bring back some more college memories… Well, maybe.
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RealityBasedSteve Jun 28, 2014 2:14:30pm |
re: #146 Gus
There was also that series of books. Kind of like a hippie survivalist manual. Forgot the name.
Sounds like the Foxfire books. I remember reading those.
RBS
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PhillyPretzel Jun 28, 2014 2:14:46pm |
re: #168 Lidane
I like Suave shampoo. I can get it for $.79 a bottle at Wegman’s.
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:15:16pm |
re: #165 prairiefire
Whole Earth Catalog.
That was one of them. But I remember this one books. Was series. I’ll have to look later.
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 2:15:35pm |
re: #164 GlutenFreeJesus
Anyone got some patchouli oil? It’s like I’m back in college around here.
No, but I actually have some Amber essential oil that I got 30 yrs ago for some reason. : )
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:15:37pm |
re: #173 RealityBasedSteve
Sounds like the Foxfire books. I remember reading those.
RBS
That’s it! Yes. Those. :D
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:15:59pm |
Foxfire 3: Animal Care, Banjos and Dulcimers, Hide Tanning, Summer and Fall Wild Plant Foods, Butter Churns, Ginseng
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:16:03pm |
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:16:24pm |
The Foxfire Book: Hog Dressing, Log Cabin Building, Mountain Crafts and Foods, Planting by the Signs, Snake Lore…
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:16:47pm |
re: #179 wrenchwench
Prairie Fire, the Politics of Revolutionary Anti-imperialism, by the Weather Underground.
Not to be confused with
I never went that route. :D
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RealityBasedSteve Jun 28, 2014 2:18:38pm |
All this talk of soap has me thinking I want to take a second shower today before I go out to meet a bunch of people for dinner. Don’t know most of them, and who knows, I may just meet the woman who becomes my next future ex. I am the eternal optimist
RBS
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 2:18:57pm |
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:20:02pm |
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GlutenFreeJesus Jun 28, 2014 2:20:16pm |
re: #172 thedopefishlives
Nope, but we’ve got a German beer festival going on uptown today. I’m sure that’ll bring back some more college memories… Well, maybe.
Whether they are good or bad memories is still up in the air.
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GlutenFreeJesus Jun 28, 2014 2:20:47pm |
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 2:21:30pm |
re: #174 PhillyPretzel
I like Suave shampoo. I can get it for $.79 a bottle at Wegman’s.
Haha I just noticed that. I must have been having an ADD moment. :)
Yeah, I pretty much use Suave shampoo and conditioner for my hair. A friend of mine from high school is a hair dresser and she told me to just buy it instead of buying any of the ridiculously overpriced salon brands. I buy the Moroccan infusion line. It’s cheap, but smells great and gets the job done.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:22:04pm |
re: #182 RealityBasedSteve
All this talk of soap has me thinking I want to take a second shower today before I go out to meet a bunch of people for dinner. Don’t know most of them, and who knows, I may just meet the woman who becomes my next future ex. I am the eternal optimist
RBS
You sound like a bit of a waffley optimist.
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:22:05pm |
Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee
Dudebros in Dirigibles Wearing Monocles
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RealityBasedSteve Jun 28, 2014 2:23:34pm |
re: #189 wrenchwench
You sound like a bit of a waffley optimist.
I’m always optimistic when it comes to waffles.
RBS
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thedopefishlives Jun 28, 2014 2:23:54pm |
re: #186 GlutenFreeJesus
Whether they are good or bad memories is still up in the air.
Well, come on down to the beer festival anyway. Perhaps it’ll erase more memories than it brings back. ;)
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 2:24:49pm |
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 2:24:51pm |
re: #173 RealityBasedSteve
Sounds like the Foxfire books. I remember reading those.
RBS
Aha! Those are the ones I remember too.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:25:14pm |
re: #191 Gus
Then came tofu.
“WTF is that?”
//
Mom ruined her wonderful spaghetti sause when she started putting soybeans in it. From then on, if she served anything that looked a little different, the first question, asked with a side-eye, was
is it healthy?
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:25:56pm |
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:27:34pm |
Tired of Waiting For You
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 2:28:12pm |
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 2:29:08pm |
re: #201 Gus
Belgium Waffles Bastogne Battle of the Bulge.
I remember that one
it pitted the IHOPs vs the House of Waffles !
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 2:29:28pm |
Fact: the new #NSA data center in Utah requires 1.7 million gallons of water / day to violate everyone's rights https://t.co/uwQJiKKR69— Fight for the Future (@fightfortheftr) June 27, 2014
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RealityBasedSteve Jun 28, 2014 2:29:53pm |
re: #202 sattv4u2
I remember that one
it pitted the IHOPs vs the House of Waffles !
and Huddle Hut remained steadfastly neutral.
RBS
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 2:30:10pm |
re: #191 Gus
Then came tofu.
“WTF is that?”
//
I ate (woops! a bit of Freud there) tofu for a long time before I admitted I didn’t like it.
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Blue Fielder Jun 28, 2014 2:31:07pm |
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Jun 28, 2014 2:32:03pm |
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:32:53pm |
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blueraven Jun 28, 2014 2:33:18pm |
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 2:33:29pm |
re: #196 wrenchwench
Mom ruined her wonderful spaghetti sause when she started putting soybeans in it.
She’d use whole soybeans? Yeah, I can see that being a bummer.
I made spaghetti sauce once using those veggie Boca crumbles instead of meat and the boyfriend couldn’t tell it was meatless. I took that as a good sign.
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:33:40pm |
Oh, yeah, hey, look at this.
We're in an airship over the NSA's data center in Utah with our friends @GreenpeaceUSA & @TenthAmendment, demanding an end to mass spying.— EFF (@EFF) June 27, 2014
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thedopefishlives Jun 28, 2014 2:33:48pm |
re: #209 Gus
It doesn’t “consume” 1.7 million gallons of water.
That’s what They (tm) what you to think.
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 2:33:53pm |
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GlutenFreeJesus Jun 28, 2014 2:34:16pm |
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Killgore Trout Jun 28, 2014 2:34:18pm |
Just looked at the Dr Bronner’s label again for the first time in years. In the grand scheme of things I’m much more concerned about mind control for my soap than Facebook.
drbronner.com
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 2:34:50pm |
New Utah NSA Center Requires 1.7M Gallons of Water Daily to Operate | KSL.com
More secrets, more water? The NSA data center in Bluffdale could require as many as 1.7 million gallons of water per day to operate and keep computers cool.
Initial reported estimates suggested the center would use 1,200 gallons per minute, but more recent estimates suggest the usage could be closer to half that amount.
But of course, the dudebros are sticking with the 1.7 million gallon estimate.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:34:51pm |
re: #211 Lidane
She’d use whole soybeans? Yeah, I can see that being a bummer.
I made spaghetti sauce once using those veggie Boca crumbles instead of meat and the boyfriend couldn’t tell it was meatless. I took that as a good sign.
She ground them up, but there were discernible bits. Almost as crunchy as peanuts.
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 2:35:43pm |
re: #212 Gus
Greenpeace, the EFF and a bunch of Tenther idiots in the same place? Ew.
EFF, I am disappoint. I was a fan of theirs for a while, but that’s just nuts.
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PhillyPretzel Jun 28, 2014 2:35:50pm |
re: #214 Justanotherhuman
Here is an old one. amazon.com
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:36:04pm |
Here we see .@Greenpeace and @EFF working with 10th Amendment right wingers. https://t.co/tFBLegj632— Gus (@Gus_802) June 28, 2014
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:36:18pm |
The same people .@Greenpeace and @EFF are working with want to “nullify Obamacare.” http://t.co/qArw02nrWi— Gus (@Gus_802) June 28, 2014
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:36:46pm |
re: #212 Gus
Oh, yeah, hey, look at this.
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My sister posted the EFF article on FB. Haha. Now deciding whether to teach her ‘irony’, or close my FB page….
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 2:37:04pm |
re: #212 Gus
Oh, yeah, hey, look at this.
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Yep. The EFF and radical right wingers have united.
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:37:21pm |
The same people .@Greenpeace and @EFF are against gun control. http://t.co/zZgHGvZ4Jo— Gus (@Gus_802) June 28, 2014
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thedopefishlives Jun 28, 2014 2:37:27pm |
re: #224 Charles Johnson
Yep. The EFF and radical right wingers have united.
It’s the Derpularity, everyone.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Jun 28, 2014 2:37:28pm |
re: #222 Gus
This sort of reminds me of when Jane Hamsher joined up with Grover Norquist on some initiative or other.
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 2:39:24pm |
re: #227 Rev_Arthur_Belling
This sort of reminds me of when Jane Hamsher joined up with Grover Norquist on some initiative or other.
Again, what do they call someone who will do anything for money regardless of who’s paying?
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Feline Fearless Leader Jun 28, 2014 2:39:50pm |
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lawhawk Jun 28, 2014 2:40:07pm |
re: #24 Charles Johnson
There are rules and ethics for experiments, including social experiments in colleges that sociology and psychology departments run all the time. They have to get permission to ask questions, and you have the right to opt out.
Facebook got around these basic types of protections by claiming their TOS allows them to do anything they damned well please with the data. They get to manipulate the data in the hopes of seeing the effect on the subject users. No one knows who was involved, the posts involved that were promoted or demoted to adjust the levels to Facebook’s whims.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 2:40:44pm |
Oh, no. The niece is on FB playing with a soccer ball and wearing a Colombian futbol jersey.
Facebook wins.
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 2:41:39pm |
Colombian fans sing: “Luis Suarez, how bitter you must be, James scoring goals, you watching it on TV” #COL #URU— Ed Malyon (@eaamalyon) June 28, 2014
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 2:42:08pm |
So, SA tweets more than any other continent?
Brazil-Chile game was most-discussed World Cup match so far, with 16.4 million tweets during the game - @TwitterData
see original on twitter.com
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:42:11pm |
Why are .@Greenpeace and the @EFF working with extremists who want to nullify welfare programs and the EPA? http://t.co/oy1d3KikqZ— Gus (@Gus_802) June 28, 2014
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lawhawk Jun 28, 2014 2:47:38pm |
Gifts to myself….
Ended up getting the Sigma 17-50 2.8 OS and the Sigma 8-16 4.5-5.6. Unique Photo had a photo expo this weekend with reps from all the major brands, and Sigma made an offer I just couldn’t refuse on the 17-50, and the price was right for the combo.
Woo…
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 2:48:15pm |
@MarkAmesExiled I don't agree. But it is a troubling alliance. I don't think either side benefits from getting in bed with the other here.— Lisa Pease (@lisapease) June 28, 2014
Completely naïve to think the Tenthers don’t benefit from this. Of course they do. This is just denial.
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goddamnedfrank Jun 28, 2014 2:48:31pm |
re: #217 Charles Johnson
New Utah NSA Center Requires 1.7M Gallons of Water Daily to Operate | KSL.com
But of course, the dudebros are sticking with the 1.7 million gallon estimate.
There’s a lot about the water claim that doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
1.) Water used for cooling can easily be run through radiative heat exchangers.
2.) It’s not like the water is wasted down the sewer. It isn’t contaminated with sensitive data or anything, it can be returned straight to a reservoir with no processing required, which would just be another way of implementing a heat exchange.
Maybe the centers are using super inefficient spray evaporation towers to dump the heat, but there’s no reason they have to, a larger closed loop system could theoretically accomplish the same job with almost zero waste.
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William Barnett-Lewis Jun 28, 2014 2:48:40pm |
re: #180 Gus
The Foxfire Book: Hog Dressing, Log Cabin Building, Mountain Crafts and Foods, Planting by the Signs, Snake Lore…
I always liked #5 the best. It told how to build an iron works and how to hammer forge a flintlock rifle.
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William Barnett-Lewis Jun 28, 2014 2:51:37pm |
re: #238 lawhawk
Gifts to myself….
Ended up getting the Sigma 17-50 2.8 OS and the Sigma 8-16 4.5-5.6. Unique Photo had a photo expo this weekend with reps from all the major brands, and Sigma made an offer I just couldn’t refuse on the 17-50, and the price was right for the combo.
Woo…
Heh.
I had my tax refund check in my hand earlier this week. I almost bought an Olympus 25/1.8 for my camera. Almost. But my other shooting habit beat it out and I ended up with a Rock Island 1911 clone and a Remington Model 700 hunting rifle (.30-06) instead… ;)
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 2:51:51pm |
Uruguay’s agony is over. They played listlessly all day and it showed.
Good job Colombia! :D
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 2:52:20pm |
Alaskan bear crashes through skylight, steals cupcakes. Polite Canadian bear waits patiently for service. pic.twitter.com/mEQlg3IriV— Michele Banks (@artologica) June 26, 2014
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goddamnedfrank Jun 28, 2014 2:52:29pm |
re: #240 goddamnedfrank
Also if you’re generating that much waste heat the smart thing to do is to invest up front in ways to recover as much of the energy as possible, such as through Sterling engines.
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 2:53:09pm |
@Gus_802 @Green_Footballs The people @Greenpeace @EFF are working with think Congress are criminals and terrorists: https://t.co/DL30sLpfIC— Pwn All The Things (@pwnallthethings) June 28, 2014
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:54:04pm |
@Gus_802 @Green_Footballs The people @Greenpeace @EFF are working with think Congress are criminals and terrorists: https://t.co/DL30sLpfIC— Pwn All The Things (@pwnallthethings) June 28, 2014
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 2:54:16pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Jun 28, 2014 2:54:48pm |
re: #245 goddamnedfrank
Also if you’re generating that much waste heat the smart thing to do is to invest up front in ways to recover as much of the energy, such as through Sterling engines.
What’s wrong with heat? It´s good for us! Plants need it! That sterling thing sounds commie or brit, whatever´s worse!!!11ty!
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RealityBasedSteve Jun 28, 2014 2:54:57pm |
re: #238 lawhawk
Gifts to myself….
Ended up getting the Sigma 17-50 2.8 OS and the Sigma 8-16 4.5-5.6. Unique Photo had a photo expo this weekend with reps from all the major brands, and Sigma made an offer I just couldn’t refuse on the 17-50, and the price was right for the combo.
Woo…
I’ve been looking REALLY Hard at that Sigma 17-50. My primary lens on the 60d is their (Canon’s) 15-85 3.5-5.6. It’s a really nice lens, not “L” nice, but still very nice. Congrads on your deal.
RBS
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Lidane Jun 28, 2014 2:55:55pm |
John Coltrane, US Navy Enlistment Photo. 1945 http://t.co/wEUOfeoQKP— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) June 28, 2014
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Dr Lizardo Jun 28, 2014 2:57:39pm |
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:58:01pm |
More on the people .@Greenpeace and @EFF are working with here. https://t.co/9rphZonAO4— Gus (@Gus_802) June 28, 2014
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:58:20pm |
How do you spell Sebelius? F.A.I.L.U.R.E. #Nullify #Obamacare! pic.twitter.com/ESkWdQC5vb— TenthAmendmentCenter (@TenthAmendment) April 11, 2014
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:58:42pm |
Calling a spade a spade: Congress is filled with terrorists http://t.co/tJfwLWWQXh— TenthAmendmentCenter (@TenthAmendment) May 14, 2014
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:59:17pm |
“BRING IT ON!” That's the message from states nullifying federal gun control to Barack Obama. Michael Boldin and… http://t.co/VdXssvz4k3— TenthAmendmentCenter (@TenthAmendment) August 19, 2013
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 2:59:37pm |
Acting more like a king every day. http://t.co/gsukvznakb ”Think about that…. http://t.co/cfLUutmnR7— TenthAmendmentCenter (@TenthAmendment) July 22, 2013
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William Barnett-Lewis Jun 28, 2014 3:00:29pm |
re: #254 Gus
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No, failure is spelled Foxtrot india oscar romeo india november alpha. Fiorina, destroyer of companies.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 28, 2014 3:00:48pm |
re: #173 RealityBasedSteve
Sounds like the Foxfire books. I remember reading those.
RBS
Foxfire books weren’t about hippies, though. The book series was an oral history project, documenting the way things were in Appalachia before all the old folks died.
And all those old folks are now dead and gone.
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William Barnett-Lewis Jun 28, 2014 3:00:54pm |
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lawhawk Jun 28, 2014 3:00:57pm |
re: #240 goddamnedfrank
The first sentence of the KSL report says it could use 1.7 million gallons and it could use less than half the 1200 gallons per minute that were being claimed.
This isn’t all that surprising, nor is it shocking that data centers need huge amounts of energy and huge amounts of coolant to keep systems within normal parameters.
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 3:01:01pm |
#10th: Constitutional Questions Bigger than a Birth Certificate bit.ly— TenthAmendmentCenter (@TenthAmendment) May 4, 2011
Crazy BS here: tenthamendmentcenter.com
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 3:01:49pm |
“If the Federal Government wasn’t doing all the welfare handouts, immigration wouldn't even an issue. The… http://t.co/v1kanLji— TenthAmendmentCenter (@TenthAmendment) September 6, 2012
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lawhawk Jun 28, 2014 3:02:02pm |
re: #250 RealityBasedSteve
I had been leaning towards the Tamron 17-50 2.8, but they were priced $200 more. And the quality difference I could tell was minimal, so it became a no-brainer.
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 3:02:31pm |
re: #262 Gus
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Crazy BS here: tenthamendmentcenter.com
Yes, they’re completely batshit nuts.
I can hardly believe this is the EFF any more. It’s like they’ve been taken over by dudebro pod people.
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William Barnett-Lewis Jun 28, 2014 3:02:43pm |
re: #262 Gus
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Crazy BS here: tenthamendmentcenter.com
Teh stupid is strong in this one.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 3:02:47pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Jun 28, 2014 3:03:30pm |
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 3:03:42pm |
re: #263 Gus
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Their Rosa Parks page is vile, stupid and wrong. As in incorrect. And I don’t mean politically.
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RealityBasedSteve Jun 28, 2014 3:05:39pm |
re: #264 lawhawk
I had been leaning towards the Tamron 17-50 2.8, but they were priced $200 more. And the quality difference I could tell was minimal, so it became a no-brainer.
yep… and that’s the other one that I’ve been watching…. Hoping to snag one (of either model) off ebay used. Need to sharpen up my sniping skills again.
RBS
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 3:14:40pm |
‘Tenther’ Activists Add The Federal Highway System To List Of Programs To Kill http://t.co/SSunvIdzGv via @thinkprogress @greenpeace @EFF— Gus (@Gus_802) June 28, 2014
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thedopefishlives Jun 28, 2014 3:15:48pm |
re: #273 Gus
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Well, yeah, because FEMA is going to use the federal highway system to round everybody up into their FEMA death camps. Didn’t you see the signs?
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Gus Jun 28, 2014 3:16:39pm |
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 3:17:03pm |
re: #267 William Barnett-Lewis
Teh stupid is strong in this one.
All of them are tackling one major issue, with overlaps. Greenpeace interferes with shipping and drilling platforms, taking it upon themselves to impose their own “law” on whatever wrong they think is perpetrated. Most of their funds are spent on this, not on lobbying. EFF devotes its resources to “privacy” as “human rights” issues. And of course, the Tenthers do the states’ rights BS.
Greenpeace: opensecrets.org
EFF: opensecrets.org
Looks like Tenth Amendment PAC is just getting started: opensecrets.org
Every single group is coming from a libertarian perspective, though, not a liberal or even progressive one. So, it’s not surprising that they “cooperate” with one another.
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Randall Gross Jun 28, 2014 3:17:49pm |
So this happened in chrome — the share buttons looked all wonky for a while, then I came to this thread to mention it, got logged out & now that I’m back in all is well again.
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 3:20:58pm |
re: #277 Randall Gross
So this happened in chrome — the share buttons looked all wonky for a while, then I came to this thread to mention it, got logged out & now that I’m back in all is well again.
I fixed it for you
Credit card # please
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 3:23:30pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Jun 28, 2014 3:23:36pm |
re: #279 Kid A
That is … almost… as terrifying as the pics I had taken in grade school in the seventies.
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TedStriker Jun 28, 2014 3:23:47pm |
re: #139 Gus
But yeah. Bonner’s was kind of a thing. But we didn’t write about it. No blogs. No Tweets. We were like, “hey man this Bonner’s soap is pretty cool.” You could also sit on the toilet reading the label if you needed some reading material.
ALL-ONE, indeed.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 28, 2014 3:27:08pm |
re: #244 Charles Johnson
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I posted that downstairs.
Jaunte had a great photoshop followup of it at littlegreenfootballs.com
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 3:28:00pm |
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 3:28:36pm |
re: #281 William Barnett-Lewis
That is … almost… as terrifying as the pics I had taken in grade school in the seventies.
Damn, I’m old!
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TedStriker Jun 28, 2014 3:29:54pm |
re: #228 Justanotherhuman
Again, what do they call someone who will do anything for money regardless of who’s paying?
‘Whore’ fits the bill.
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 3:30:30pm |
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Stanley Sea Jun 28, 2014 3:31:58pm |
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 3:32:07pm |
re: #288 Kid A
Key word: ALMOST.
She’ll be fine once she gets to pick out her own glasses and pay for a real haircut. And Mom quits making her clothes for her.
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 3:33:52pm |
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 3:36:45pm |
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 3:37:19pm |
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 3:42:25pm |
re: #293 Justanotherhuman
Just hit the road…
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Wouldn’t it be great to have a whole stage full of Raelettes?
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 3:46:52pm |
re: #295 wrenchwench
Wouldn’t it be great to have a whole stage full of Raelettes?
I always wanted to be a Pip!
Image: Gladys-Knight-Pips-Nice.jpg
P I P
Not piMp
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Charles Johnson Jun 28, 2014 3:47:50pm |
re: #295 wrenchwench
Wouldn’t it be great to have a whole stage full of Raelettes?
The joke among musicians (wasn’t really a joke) was that they were called the Raelettes because they had to “let Ray.”
Ray Charles was not a nice guy.
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thedopefishlives Jun 28, 2014 3:47:51pm |
re: #294 Varek Raith
Well, I officially ended my support for EFF.
It’s a great thought, but I imagine there’s going to be a lot more dudebros going the other way on this.
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sattv4u2 Jun 28, 2014 3:50:03pm |
Ah well
Time to break in the new Bobby Flay cookwear
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wrenchwench Jun 28, 2014 3:53:53pm |
re: #297 Charles Johnson
The joke among musicians (wasn’t really a joke) was that they were called the Raelettes because they had to “let Ray.”
Ray Charles was not a nice guy.
Arg.
Sorry to hear that he was not a nice guy, but glad to know at this late date.
What if niceness or the lack showed up like on a guy’s forehead or something? What a different world…
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 4:08:36pm |
Well, I guess that revelation killed the thread…
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Stanley Sea Jun 28, 2014 4:10:08pm |
Yah, trying to find something on the internet about bad Ray. Found something about Ryan Gosling being a dick.
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Justanotherhuman Jun 28, 2014 4:38:33pm |
re: #302 Stanley Sea
Yah, trying to find something on the internet about bad Ray. Found something about Ryan Gosling being a dick.
Found sources from 1979 that related to the to-do between a drunken Elvis Costello and Bonnie Bramlett where 24 yr old punker (at the time) EC evidently referred to Ray Charles and James Brown as n*****s. Bramlett also allegedly punched EC in the face for it.
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